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0 [00:00:01] <tomreyn> shouldn't matter on a hdd if the lvm version remains the same.
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5 [00:01:15] <oiaohm> R0b0t1`: please note laptops when you get a bad cooler with slightly incorrectly placed heatpipes kind of stuck with it. Its not like the desktop machines where you can normally remount the cooler slightly out of place and over come the problem either.
6 [00:01:47] <oiaohm> Basically if you have a cooling problem in something like laptop best option can be SMT off.
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12 [00:08:11] <johnfg> Yup, it is. And both debian's are buster. I had been thinking about a cleaner new install, as with my current main server, I had a few hiccups in doing the upgrade from stretch to buster, whenever that was.
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31 [00:29:33] <prompt32> hello, i have a somehow strange problem ;). i want to make a SELECT query to a prosody sqlite3 db, but as the main table, have a key named 'when', so when i: SELECT user,when FROM prosody; i have an error cause sqlite3 believes when=WHEN (i think). Does somebody come to a simlar situation, and knows how to escape or what ?
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34 [00:30:42] <prompt32> ^ i know is a debian chat, but ....
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36 [00:32:22] <sney> usually in sql you can quote columns
37 [00:32:32] <joeatt> prompt32: you did the impossible. make an easy query language confuse
38 [00:34:04] <prompt32> joeatt, you think so ? hahah :). let me see ....
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44 [00:38:20] <prompt32> joeatt, 'escaping' dont work. i already have try, but i see you so sure ...
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51 [00:50:52] <prompt32> joeatt, not to have agony, `when` and "when" works, but this key was in anothe table, not where i search.
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59 [01:01:15] <joeatt> prompt32: nest 7 querys, use unions, wheres, try to do it logic, pastebin, then i may pay attention
60 [01:01:45] <joeatt> load with join woul be good
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64 [01:05:38] <prompt32> joeatt, its ok i solveit, go next
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67 [01:09:23] * prompt32 until the morning, imust setup a working IMAP/SMTP public server. i choose dovecot/postfix, two programs, i first listen yesterday in my life. There i am. hahha
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100 [01:28:16] <ws2k3> TCP: request_sock_TCP: Possible SYN flooding on port 33046. Sending cookies. Check SNMP counters. what can this be?
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104 [01:29:16] <loeken> a possible syn flood :)
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133 [02:04:00] <Orxata_> Hello, is there any incompatibility between Wayland and dwm?
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135 [02:06:12] <jvava> tek00: thanks
136 [02:06:27] <jvava> trek00: thanks
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140 [02:07:23] <Orxata_> If I choose dwm from the display manager (gdm3) does it start the Xorg server or it tries to start it with Wayland?
141 [02:08:22] <Orxata_> s/Xorg/X11
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162 [02:31:26] <ratrace> Orphis: X11 . Wayland programs need to be compositor, as Wayland is just a protocol, not a daemon or something like xorg
163 [02:31:46] <ratrace> eh... that was for someone else, who left....
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179 [02:48:38] <boubou> hi huys
180 [02:48:59] <boubou> anyone can tell why should I use Ubuntu server over Debian ?
181 [02:49:09] <boubou> is it only a preferences ?
182 [02:49:35] <joepublic> You'd have to ask the Ubuntu folks about that, I would think.
183 [02:50:07] <sney> it almost always comes down to personal preference.
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188 [02:52:18] <joepublic> The folks here are generally the ones who can tell you reasons they use Debian.
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190 [02:59:41] <boubou> why should I use Debian over ubuntu server then ? :P
191 [03:00:53] <trui> some people like the official paid support that ubuntu offers, boubou. there's a long term support project for debian, but that extends support to only 5 years
192 [03:01:01] <trui> while ubuntu offers 10
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195 [03:01:55] <trui> one reason to use debian is that it's more easily upgradable than some distros
196 [03:01:56] <boubou> thx
197 [03:01:58] <sney> what are you hosting? what are your requirements? is it just for you or do you need to be accountable to some corporate suits? there are a lot of factors and I don't think there's a universal anser
198 [03:02:30] <trui> you can often upgrade in place from debian 9 to 10 for example with no issues
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200 [03:02:45] <trui> while ubuntu recommends a fresh install
201 [03:03:16] <trui> since ubuntu isn't as stable in that regard for some reason
202 [03:03:40] <sney> some ubuntu releases have had a do-release-upgrade special duct tape command for facilitating that, but I've never tried it in prod
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204 [03:05:32] <trui> i've heard of people upgrading from really old debian versions up to buster, all without doing a clean install. 4-5 then 5-6, 6-7, etc
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206 [03:06:37] <trui> that might not be important for you, but keeping your server on the same version for 5-10 years might also not be important for you
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225 [03:21:35] <Rozha> hallo
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227 [03:22:23] <dvs> yo
228 [03:22:31] <trui> hoi
229 [03:22:54] <Rozha> need some help
230 [03:23:13] <Rozha> i install last debian
231 [03:23:54] <boubou> easy like 123
232 [03:23:59] <boubou> or abcd
233 [03:24:23] <Rozha> and when it installed restar, and it shwosh only upper left corner _
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235 [03:24:48] <annadane> Rozha, what did you use to copy the image?
236 [03:24:58] <Rozha> doesnot start
237 [03:25:30] <Rozha> i try rufus for windows
238 [03:25:41] <Rozha> and utraiso
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240 [03:26:00] <annadane> okay, with rufus it needs to be copied in dd mode
241 [03:26:05] <annadane> if you didn't do that it's probably corrupt
242 [03:26:18] <Rozha> how to make it ?
243 [03:26:20] <sponix> some have luck with "woeusb" but from the terminal only. The GUI is like broken
244 [03:26:39] <Rozha> now i have only windows
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246 [03:27:14] <dvs> !win23diskimager
247 [03:27:18] <Rozha> i want install only sshd service and web
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249 [03:27:34] <dvs> !win32diskimager
250 [03:27:34] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
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252 [03:28:06] <annadane> rufus in dd mode works too but it's probably safer to use win32diskimager anyway in case of user error
253 [03:28:21] <Rozha> but utlraiso ?
254 [03:28:34] <annadane> don't know
255 [03:28:51] <annadane> anyway, i'll leave it up to others to diagnose in a more detailed way, may not be a corrupt installer
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257 [03:29:17] <Rozha> read only or not >
258 [03:29:50] <annadane> i've never used ultraiso or heart of it
259 [03:30:19] <annadane> heard*
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261 [03:30:33] <Rozha> i mean win32
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263 [03:32:33] <Rozha> annadane u here
264 [03:32:43] <annadane> i don't know the answer to your question
265 [03:33:04] <Rozha> to make boot usb from win32
266 [03:33:15] <Rozha> i need put mark for read only
267 [03:33:27] <annadane> as i said, i don't know, wait and see if someone else answers
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269 [03:33:35] <sney> Rozha: the debian iso is already a usb image. if you are using a program that modifies the image for usb, it will probably break. please use win32diskimager and write the file directly to usb.
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271 [03:35:33] <Rozha> win32 dowsnot see iso
272 [03:36:13] <sney> you have to use the drop down for all files
273 [03:36:20] <sney> or you can rename the iso to img
274 [03:36:23] <trui> wouldn't windows 10's disc burning tools also work?
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276 [03:36:35] <trui> *tool
277 [03:36:53] <dvs> not to a USB drive
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279 [03:37:30] <Rozha> dvs i not have cd-rom
280 [03:38:35] <sney> Rozha: don't worry about them, just use win32diskimager like I said
281 [03:38:55] <Rozha> sney it progres
282 [03:39:09] <sney> ok, let us know if you have more questions
283 [03:39:20] <Rozha> okey thanks you
284 [03:40:34] <annadane> you just said "win32diskimager doesn't see the iso" though :P
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286 [03:40:37] <annadane> i guess you got that resolved
287 [03:41:04] <sney> I gave two options for dealing with that, one of them must have done it
288 [03:43:54] <annadane> fair enough
289 [03:44:02] <annadane> yeah i see now
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291 [03:47:32] <Rozha> Sneat NOW IT ASK ME CD-ROM :)
292 [03:47:40] <Rozha> sney :)
293 [03:48:01] <sney> you're smiling so I assume it worked
294 [03:48:19] <Rozha> not it ask me where is cd-dom :_
295 [03:48:32] <Rozha> not going next step
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298 [03:49:03] <sney> what iso did you use?
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300 [03:49:36] <Rozha> replaced-url
301 [03:49:42] <dvs> arm?
302 [03:49:50] <Rozha> amd )
303 [03:49:53] <Rozha> srry
304 [03:50:23] <Rozha> replaced-url
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306 [03:51:45] <Rozha> not that >
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308 [03:52:59] <Rozha> dvs ?
309 [03:55:13] <sney> that should have worked. are you sure the write was finished? did you safely remove the usb drive?
310 [03:55:28] <Rozha> yes
311 [03:56:11] <sney> well, try it again
312 [03:57:09] <Rozha> and will ask me agai cd-rom :)
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314 [03:57:28] <dvs> I'd rather use this non-edu image but that's just me: replaced-url
315 [03:58:31] <Rozha> dvs but i have problem whit iptables and other soft /user/sbin/iptables only run
316 [03:58:37] <Rozha> not iptables
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318 [03:59:07] <Rozha> i run all from /usr/sbin
319 [03:59:34] <Rozha> sudo /usr/sbin iptables -A ....
320 [03:59:47] <Rozha> not sudo iptables cannt foutn
321 [04:00:31] <sney> !buster su
322 [04:00:31] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
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324 [04:02:23] <Rozha> dpgd from root i try also :(
325 [04:03:16] <sney> then root's PATH is messed up somehow
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327 [04:03:54] <Rozha> sney u meen install add sudo user make path and it will work ?
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330 [04:05:34] <sney> I mean fix /etc/profile so root's PATH has /sbin and /usr/sbin as it should
331 [04:07:12] <Rozha> how made it at debian
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338 [04:10:40] <n-iCe> Hello guys, I notices that when I shutdown my laptop and turn it on again, it relaunches my last terminal windows, browser, apps etc
339 [04:10:44] <n-iCe> how can I stop this?
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346 [04:14:34] <n-iCe> noticed
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348 [04:16:11] <kreyren> How do i output the changed files that package installation is going to do?
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350 [04:17:03] <ens> wtf. I removed apt from my system
351 [04:17:06] <ens> using apt-get remove apt
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353 [04:17:21] <ens> and the directory still exists: /var/lib# du -hs *
354 [04:17:21] <ens> 27M apt
355 [04:17:34] <ens> 27mb of junk. Why is this not removed? Should I raise a ticket?
356 [04:19:03] <dvs> !info apt
357 [04:19:10] <ens> nd also /var/cache/apt taking up tons of cache
358 [04:19:25] <sney> you can't be serious.
359 [04:19:44] <dpkg> apt: (commandline package manager), section admin, is required. Version: 2.0.2 (sid), Packaged size: 1433 kB, Installed size: 4146 kB
360 [04:19:58] <dvs> yeah, it's a required package
361 [04:20:36] <ens> i'm trying to make a rootfs for an embedded system using debootstrap
362 [04:20:53] <ens> and i've finished installing all the packages i need
363 [04:21:01] <sney> if you don't want to use apt then why are you even using debian?
364 [04:21:02] <ens> so i just want to remove apt and all it's stuff
365 [04:21:10] <ens> because apt rocks
366 [04:21:16] <ens> but i don't need it anymore
367 [04:21:19] <sney> but more to the point, you could probably have /var on a ramdisk if space is at a premium
368 [04:21:55] <ens> oh don't worry. the entire rootfs is going to be compressed as a .tgz and mounted via a statically compiled archivemount via fuse, with the tgz itself existing in a tmpfs in ram
369 [04:22:12] <ens> yolo
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371 [04:23:17] <sney> well, the package that is still doing something in /var/lib/apt and /var/cache/apt is libapt-pkg6.0
372 [04:23:28] <sney> , probablty
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402 [04:57:32] <n-iCe> Hello guys, I notices that when I shutdown my laptop and turn it on again, it relaunches my last terminal windows, browser, apps etc
403 [04:57:35] <n-iCe> how can I stop this?
404 [04:57:49] <allorder> Xfce ?
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415 [05:11:18] <BazookaTooth> n-iCe: stop saving your seesion in whatever de you are using
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419 [05:12:17] <dvs> BazookaTooth, n-iCe is asking how to do that.
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425 [05:15:14] <BazookaTooth> if allorder is correct in assuming xfce, then n-iCe probably hit the save session and "don't ask this again" checkmark or whatever. can reset it using the setting manager
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428 [05:15:47] <Cruft> When is arm64 getting debdeltas?
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431 [05:17:16] <allorder> BazookaTooth: I think Xfce is the only DE doing it by default
432 [05:17:22] <BazookaTooth> xfce4-session-settings
433 [05:18:25] <dvs> allorder, kde does it for me (but I don't mind)
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435 [05:18:36] <allorder> dvs: oh ok
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439 [05:24:24] <BazookaTooth> replaced-url
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441 [05:25:14] <BazookaTooth> no clue how kde handles that
442 [05:26:22] <BazookaTooth> ah replaced-url
443 [05:26:57] <allorder> In Xfce when you reboot or shutdown you can untick save session
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445 [05:28:27] <tyzef> Hi guys ! How are you ? Some how I deleted /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf and can't get it back... even by removing and installing again alsa-utils...
446 [05:28:55] <dvs> ,file /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf
447 [05:28:59] <judd> Search for /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf in buster/amd64: libasound2-data: usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf
448 [05:29:10] <dvs> try reinstalling that
449 [05:29:42] <tyzef> yes da file dvs
450 [05:30:35] <tyzef> libasound2-data already installed
451 [05:30:46] <tyzef> I am in buster 42 yes
452 [05:30:51] <tyzef> oops
453 [05:30:59] <tyzef> buster 64
454 [05:31:05] <dvs> tyzef, dpkg -a libasound2-data
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456 [05:32:57] <tyzef> dvs, I just simply do it in a terminal as root : dpkg -a libasound2-data but it doesn't work
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458 [05:34:22] <dvs> tyzef, apt-get reinstall libasound2-data
459 [05:35:57] <tyzef> guys you rock !!!
460 [05:36:06] <tyzef> thank you so much !
461 [05:36:15] <dvs> np
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471 [05:56:23] <ens> sney: : thanks for the help! was looking for a good suggestion and you gave me one that led me somewhere, but i'm too tired to remember what i did. thanks anyway.
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584 [09:05:32] <Cruft> Is it possible to use zram have to data integrity checking of any sort? ECC features?
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589 [09:11:25] <ratrace> Cruft: not with software, you'll need ECC RAM
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602 [09:29:34] <jjakob> #systemd told me systemd does not support initramfs-tools :)
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604 [09:30:41] <jjakob> so I'm guessing the initrd init is initramfs-tools's and there's nothing systemd in there
605 [09:32:53] <jjakob> so I'm on my own (I've pretty much already figured out there's probably nothing in the initramfs that could even run a fsck -grepping through the tmpdir from mkinitramfs doesn't show anything of the sort)
606 [09:33:58] <jjakob> unless it's a binary, I need to do some more investigating
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609 [09:35:35] <ratrace> jjakob: so what's the problem you're having? initramfs-tools has hooks and scripts with which you can influence the process
610 [09:36:15] <jjakob> I tried to fsck the rootfs in initramfs
611 [09:36:33] <ratrace> jjakob: tried how?
612 [09:36:46] <jjakob> added a hook that cp -f /etc/fstab into the initramfs
613 [09:37:07] <jjakob> since mkinitramfs just creates a empty one it overwrites that one
614 [09:37:32] <ratrace> jjakob: hook? hooks are config scripts for building the initrd. you'll need "scripts", and I'm guessing the "local-premount" stage (see initramfs-tools(7) manpage)
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616 [09:38:08] <jjakob> Yeah, well there wasn't even a fstab in there that *could* be used to find the rootfs
617 [09:38:24] <jjakob> Now I probably need a script, yes
618 [09:38:27] <ratrace> jjakob: but root device is given via cmdline
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620 [09:39:02] <jjakob> This isn't stock debian so idk how it's done, probably it is
621 [09:39:06] <ratrace> iirc you give the device, not mounted dir, to e2fsck ... is that the tool you want to use?
622 [09:39:17] <ratrace> well we only support stock debian in here...
623 [09:39:20] <jjakob> It's a live system built with live-tools
624 [09:39:44] <jjakob> Yeah
625 [09:40:48] <jjakob> It mounts the single partition as /boot, mounts a squashfs from it read-only, then mounts a overlayfs with rw upper dir as /
626 [09:41:19] <ratrace> so local-premount stage is where you can work with the device before it gets mounted.
627 [09:41:37] <jjakob> So none of the fs was even in fstab because they have some custom script that does it all
628 [09:41:54] <jjakob> so I added it to fstab with noauto
629 [09:42:05] <ratrace> because fstab is not needed. it only needs root device and that's given via kernel cmdline
630 [09:42:28] <ratrace> the role of initrd is to do whatever it needs to mount and pivot to the rootfs, where init takes over, and fstab becomes relevant
631 [09:42:36] <jjakob> Oh ok
632 [09:43:02] <jjakob> Rootfs then becomes /? because it doesn't in this case
633 [09:43:08] <ratrace> "init" = /sbin/init, in this case systemd
634 [09:43:40] <jjakob> the initramfs init isn't systemd?
635 [09:43:43] <ratrace> Yes. it is pivoted to and becomes / at the end of initrd's "init" (not to be confused with main system "init")
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637 [09:44:29] <ratrace> no the initramfs "init" script is not systemd
638 [09:45:08] <jjakob> so they must use some other method to pivot to the rootfs because it's a overlayfs setup by a script
639 [09:45:29] <jjakob> Or they do that later and remount / somewhere else before
640 [09:45:39] <jjakob> I need to look into that
641 [09:46:26] <ratrace> jjakob: if that's using regular debian's initramfs-tools, then all the scripts the packages added are in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts
642 [09:46:58] <ratrace> user-added hooks and scripts must go under /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/
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645 [09:47:22] <ratrace> eh, I mean /etc/initramfs-tools/... (there's hooks and scripts separately)
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648 [09:47:51] <jjakob> Ok I'll take a look later, thanks for your help for now
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652 [09:53:38] <ratrace> jjakob: oh, btw, you can use unmkinitramfs to unpack the initrd file into a directory, and you can see the init script there and what it does.... lsinitramfs will list files available, also good for debugging.
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676 [10:17:27] <simplicius> Hello
677 [10:17:58] <simplicius> I'd like to install qtcreator but without having to install docs for example qt5-doc
678 [10:18:01] <simplicius> etc
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702 [10:37:27] <Ede|Popede> simplicius: apt-cache depends qtcreator
703 [10:37:55] <Ede|Popede> should be a recommendation only, ignore them with --no-install-recommends
704 [10:38:03] <simplicius> Ede|Popede: what do you mean?
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706 [10:38:59] <Ede|Popede> step 1: check *why* it would be installed. docs should not be *dependencies*, but only *recommended*
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708 [10:39:15] <Ede|Popede> step 2: install *without* recommendations
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710 [10:41:19] <simplicius> Ede|Popede: now the size is reduced. I still see Recommended packages: ... will they be skipped?
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714 [10:42:20] <Ede|Popede> that's what --no-install-recomends is for. to ignore their existance.
715 [10:42:41] <Ede|Popede> and there's --dry-run or -s to see what *would* happen w/o actually let it happen.
716 [10:43:26] <simplicius> yes but in list of file to be installed I still see qt5-doc,..
717 [10:43:39] <simplicius> between the recomended ones
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722 [10:45:23] <Ede|Popede> in the dry run? the relevant lines are those beginning with Inst
723 [10:45:43] <simplicius> see the two commands: replaced-url
724 [10:45:51] <Ede|Popede> or: "The following NEW packages will be installed:"
725 [10:46:06] <Ede|Popede> and note the Suggested packages
726 [10:47:28] <simplicius> if you see it has removed the majority of them but there are still those on line 72
727 [10:47:30] <Ede|Popede> simplicius, line 74 and the list folliwing it.
728 [10:47:58] <Ede|Popede> indented lines with package lists, see where they belong to
729 [10:49:01] <Ede|Popede> lines 64, 69, 71, 74. only those marked as to be installed will be installed
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731 [10:49:57] <simplicius> so only those following "... will be installed:" ?
732 [10:50:16] <Ede|Popede> yep
733 [10:50:36] <simplicius> thanks
734 [10:51:32] <Ede|Popede> this action is really chatty heh
735 [10:51:35] <Ede|Popede> yw
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737 [10:51:58] <Ede|Popede> remember the -s switch, it's really handy
738 [10:52:23] <simplicius> what's for?
739 [10:52:53] <Ede|Popede> simulation, also --dry-run
740 [10:53:17] <Ede|Popede> i use it most of the time when it's not just a simple tool with a handful dependencies
741 [10:53:43] <Ede|Popede> also for decision making, like for the display manager on the other pc
742 [10:53:51] <Ede|Popede> !debtree
743 [10:54:01] <Ede|Popede> ,info debtree
744 [10:54:02] <judd> Package debtree (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: package dependency graphs on steroids. Version: 1.0.10+nmu1; Size: 19.5k; Installed: 63k; Homepage: replaced-url
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746 [10:54:40] <flayer> i just upgraded through two versions of debian stable and all i had to fix was some old config files in my home directory
747 [10:54:42] <Ede|Popede> also nice, from its files you can create images
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749 [10:55:19] <Ede|Popede> flayer: congrats. it's how things should work.
750 [10:55:39] <flayer> i owe you people lol
751 [10:56:15] <Ede|Popede> ragouel --^ another pro argument ;)
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771 [11:05:57] <flayer> i configured stuff years ago with 32-bit wine and compiling in chroots and all that... i don't even remember how i did it. but it still works!
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779 [11:10:14] <Ede|Popede> sounds like stable APIs
780 [11:10:43] <dff> how do you change the login/lock screen background in debian 10?
781 [11:11:08] <dff> ive not been able to find an answer by searching google
782 [11:11:58] <dff> seen lots of attempts on how to solve it, but they've all failed
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786 [11:20:05] <dff> the answer seems to be switch from gdm3 to lightdm.
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789 [11:23:55] <Ede|Popede> dff: replaced-url
790 [11:24:07] <Ede|Popede> this one or the mentioned duplicate maybe?
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858 [12:51:36] <Xalys> I'm having trouble building a Debian package and I'm pulling my hair out. Hopefully someone can help.
859 [12:52:10] <Xalys> 1: I have a file called 'logrotate' in the debian/ dir. It is not getting copied by dh_installlogrotate. But according to the docs, it should. There is no output.
860 [12:52:53] <Xalys> 2: I have config files under etc/ in my binary package. According to the docs, they should get installed into /etc/ automatically with debhelper compatibility level 9 or higher. They are not copied. When I manually add the debian/conffiles file, the build fails saying files under etc/ do not exist, but they do. What am I doing wrong?
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874 [13:00:30] <Xalys> Fixed point 1 by using override_dh_installlogrotate. But if that is expected behaviour, then the docs are wrong.
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886 [13:10:18] <choice> Is checkrestart still the way to go after "apt update && apt upgrade" to figure out if a restart is needed?
887 [13:12:18] <Ede|Popede> what would be the method to go to limit ressourec usage of a program? CPU and even more RAM.
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889 [13:12:53] <Xalys> Ede|Popede: cgroups.
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893 [13:24:19] <jjakob> ratrace: i just ran mkinitramfs with -k to keep the temp files
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930 [14:07:59] <DrBunsen> Heya, I am trying to have a second screen attached to my system, that is only going to run kodi. Now I can't have kodi working full screen on my second screen, it becomes a black tile(?). Does anyone have experience with this?
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956 [14:44:32] <toca> Hey guys, can someone walk me through or give me resources for creating a patch file for 4.19.0-6 -> 4.19.0-8 for kpatch?
957 [14:45:04] <toca> I'm not sure how to get the diff.
958 [14:45:36] <toca> Their (kpatch's) github only covers /proc/meminfo.c
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972 [14:56:16] <pitch> hey there, apt noob here... how can i display all installed files by a specific package
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974 [14:58:00] <rephlexie> pitch, hmm
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979 [14:59:13] <pitch> rephlexie: apt show $pkg is not helping...
980 [14:59:21] <rephlexie> dpkg-query -L 'package' iirc, might be way off with that though
981 [15:00:14] <pitch> yeah
982 [15:00:16] <pitch> nice
983 [15:00:29] <pitch> so apt is just a masking for dpkg?
984 [15:01:33] <pitch> if i have no depenmdencies and only a single binary i can assume its a static build, right?
985 [15:01:52] <rephlexie> dpkg is the sewer of it yeah, lot of changes that I have missed though so dont take my word for it
986 [15:01:52] <dpkg> rephlexie: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
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991 [15:04:58] <archaeopter> Can someone invite me to debian next or can i ask questions here?
992 [15:05:09] <rephlexie> pitch, I am so far behind I still check things using replaced-url
993 [15:08:54] <avu> archaeopter: the channel is on OFTC, there you can join without needing an invite
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1002 [15:19:08] <ejr> hi, i have a question. i tried installing a package but lacked dependencies. i can correc tthat with apt --fix-broken install, I know, but i changed my mind and do not want to install the package (including the missing dependencies anymore). How can I get rid of the error message and fix the dependencies still?
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1034 [15:38:41] <dff> Ede|Popede: ive gone thru a couple of those. though not the second to last answer
1035 [15:38:44] <dff> gonna give that a try too
1036 [15:38:47] <dff> thanks
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1087 [16:26:06] <n_1-c_k> Debian appears to have stopped packaging gcc-doc. Is there a reputable source for a .deb package?
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1090 [16:27:17] <Wulf> n_1-c_k: you can always build it yourself
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1092 [16:28:16] <n_1-c_k> Oh.. that sounds like work
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1094 [16:28:57] <Wulf> n_1-c_k: sometimes yes, sometimes no.
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1097 [16:30:38] <n_1-c_k> oh it's in backports apparently
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1099 [16:31:04] <b1ack0p> sup
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1101 [16:31:29] <Wulf> n_1-c_k: really? must have missed it
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1103 [16:32:11] <Wulf> n_1-c_k: I think all build dependencies are in buster. So should be trivial to build it.
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1106 [16:37:01] <n_1-c_k> Wulf, thanks, I might yet attempt it. Am still trying to install the backport.
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1170 [17:34:47] <alencc1986> Hello, guys. How r u? I'd like to know if it's possible to upgrade the system, but excluding a package (or group of packages) from this upgrade. Something like: "sudo apt dist-update --exclude libreoffice"
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1201 [17:54:42] <bencc1> when debian 11 is expected to be released?
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1203 [17:56:00] <Wulf> bencc1: mid of 2022
1204 [17:57:33] <Wulf> bencc1: there is no fixed release date. But see replaced-url
1205 [17:58:27] <bencc1> Wulf: thanks
1206 [17:58:44] <bencc1> Wulf: is it relatively safe to use it in production?
1207 [17:58:50] <bencc1> I'll only use it in a docker container
1208 [17:59:33] <Wulf> bencc1: testing is never really safe to use.
1209 [17:59:54] <Wulf> bencc1: I use buster in my containers. What are you missing?
1210 [18:00:49] <Wulf> bencc1: of course you can try and there's a good chance it will work. But e.g. security updates may be way behind.
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1214 [18:02:36] <bencc1> Wulf: I have intermittent bug with pulseaudio inside a container that I can't solve
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1216 [18:02:52] <bencc1> so I thought that maybe things changed enough that it will go away
1217 [18:03:01] <bencc1> I'll might use debian 11 for sometime to test it
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1220 [18:03:49] <Wulf> bencc1: well, just go test it. If it's in a container, it usually won't break the whole system ;)
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1239 [18:20:06] <Bushmaster> Hi fox, I am seeking some clarification... its about Linux Server, lets say, Ubuntu server, first question, once you install Ubuntu Server OS in a server machine, do you then install Ubuntu in all your workstation computers?
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1245 [18:24:50] <joepublic> General linux questions and ubuntu questions are offtopic here, but a freebie: No, that's not exactly how it works, but you can if you want to.
1246 [18:25:40] <Bushmaster> no prob
1247 [18:25:50] <jim> Bushmaster, personally, I'd install debian instead of redhat :)
1248 [18:26:00] <Bushmaster> debian has server?
1249 [18:26:40] <jim> debian isn't broken apart like that... debian can be a server, or a desktop
1250 [18:27:09] <jim> the way debian -is- broken down, is by packages... you install what you want
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1253 [18:28:50] <Bushmaster> so let say I make one machine as debian server and i have 50 machine that needs to act as client/workstation, do i need to install debian in each of them?
1254 [18:29:03] <sney> not necessarily, depends on what you're doing
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1263 [18:32:15] <Bushmaster> sney, you know school and colleges right, every student sits in one random machine, lets say they have 50 machines, so they sit and log in by typing their user name and password, and then they can see their work and do work, save and log out, someone else comes in sit in the same wokstation, log in, do his work and log out, and there is server taking care of their work and loggin details right? so how it works?
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1273 [18:40:07] <usney> is there a way to list the most used command line and tui apps that you use?
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1275 [18:40:50] <akuhcap> Can someone help me out with this problem im having? On a fresh install of buster im trying to use xinit but a server wont start. Ive already installed xserver-xorg-video-nouveau but when launching it says something not finding the device at /dev/dri/card0
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1280 [18:44:38] <dashs> Why won't apt install kernel-headers? It punts to /libc-dev
1281 [18:46:20] <jim> dashs, what are you looking to do once you install them
1282 [18:46:21] <jim> ?\
1283 [18:46:43] <sney> dashs: please pastebin the apt command you are trying and its output. replaced-url
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1285 [18:47:41] <jim> dashs, the kernel-headers packages are versioned according to the uname -r of the kernel you want headers for...
1286 [18:47:46] <jim> example,
1287 [18:48:17] <jim> my uname -r is 4.19.0-8-amd64
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1289 [18:48:31] <jim> (that's the kernel I'm running)
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1291 [18:49:03] <lwp> Bushmaster, for what you describe, with the work happening on the server, and the files on the server, and the users having accounts on the server, then any kind of linux would be fine on the "workstations"
1292 [18:49:41] <dashs> sney: on a different system wait a bit
1293 [18:50:10] <jim> dashs, if I want to build modules to be installed into that kernel, I (at least) need kernel-headers-4.19.0-8-amd64 (notice the package name also contains the uname -r)
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1295 [18:51:36] <Bushmaster> lwp you make lot of sense my friend
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1297 [18:54:17] <tyzef> Hi guys, how are you? I am on debian10buster, minimal, openbox, only alsa-utils installed... i don't know how to record... my mic is plugged back to the desktop...
1298 [18:55:03] <lwp> Bushmaster, you might later find yourself migrating the "work" part of that out to the "workstations" with the server providing shared files and login authorization.
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1301 [19:01:09] <karlpinc> !alsa checklist
1302 [19:01:09] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
1303 [19:01:27] <karlpinc> tyzef: See above ^
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1305 [19:02:31] <karlpinc> tyzef: The "alsamixer" program perhaps?
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1307 [19:02:54] <tyzef> ok karlpinc
1308 [19:03:03] <karlpinc> tyzef: That's about all I know about sound, so if there's not enough clues here somebody else will have to help.
1309 [19:03:34] <karlpinc> tyzef: Basically, start by keeping it as simple as possible. Try to use csomething on the command line to capture mic input.
1310 [19:03:42] <tyzef> thanks karlpinc
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1312 [19:03:57] <karlpinc> !alsa firmware
1313 [19:03:57] <dpkg> Firmware from userspace is required by the Cirrus Logic Sound Fusion CS46XX (snd-cs46xx), Echo Digital Audio series, ESS Allegro/Maestro3 (snd-maestro3), Korg 1212 I/O (snd-korg1212) and Yamaha YMF (snd-ymfpci) ALSA drivers. Ask me about <cs46xx>, <echoaudio>, <maestro3>, <korg1212> or <ymfpci> respectively. For E-MU Digital Audio Systems devices, ask me about <emu10k1>.
1314 [19:04:08] <karlpinc> ??
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1320 [19:09:24] <jim> karlpinc, are any of those cards any good?
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1339 [19:16:42] <karlpinc> jim: Yes, but they need firmware packages installed to work. Apparently.
1340 [19:17:12] <karlpinc> jim: The factoid may not be up to date either. There are likely others.
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1342 [19:17:43] <karlpinc> jim: This is why the unoffical installer with non-free firmware included is so handy. It automatically installs firmware, even if the firmware is not FOSS.
1343 [19:18:31] <karlpinc> Otherwise, you need to either know, or look for firmware messages in your boot logs to know what needs firmware. Or discover a problem when some hardware does not work, or fully work.
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1349 [19:20:00] <jim> karlpinc, my audio is working pretty good... and, if there's a card that has features usable in a studio (or home studio) situation, I might consider that
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1352 [19:20:58] <jim> (for example, I'm not interested in gaming features right now)
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1356 [19:26:03] <dashs> Is there a kernel-development package?
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1359 [19:27:50] <karlpinc> dashs: There's a kernel manual at debian.org. It's mainly for the debian devs, but buried in there is info for "normal users".
1360 [19:28:37] <karlpinc> jim: Dunno. I've always sorta wanted a 96bit sound card. But never enough to actually get one.
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1377 [19:37:53] <jim> karlpinc, debian burys normal users?! shocking!
1378 [19:38:27] <karlpinc> I can't figure out how to make cookie-blocking exceptions for specific sites in firefox-esr. Help appreciated.
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1404 [19:59:45] <karlpinc> jim: My favorite burial place is the readme.debians.
1405 [19:59:48] <karlpinc> !readme.debian
1406 [19:59:48] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
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1446 [20:28:41] <asterismo_l> hi
1447 [20:28:49] <asterismo_l> is "debian" a system user?
1448 [20:29:16] <asterismo_l> because i found a debian folder under /home and i deleted debian user and the folder
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1450 [20:29:31] <asterismo_l> but i'm afraid i deleted a system user
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1455 [20:32:14] <kline> asterismo_l, debian doesnt usually create a user called "debian", as far as i can tell
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1459 [20:37:23] <deadrom> hi
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1462 [20:38:15] <deadrom> someone asked me about a debian based distro called "deepin", china homed, aimed at looks - anyone know if my concerns are justified?
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1465 [20:39:30] <Ede|Popede> asterismo_l: entry in /etc/passwd exists?
1466 [20:40:38] <sponix> !deepin
1467 [20:40:38] <dpkg> deepin is a Chinese distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported on #debian. Try their forums at replaced-url
1468 [20:41:16] <sponix> deadrom: I didn't see any weird activity with it while I had it in a virtual machine. About all I can say
1469 [20:41:32] <dob1> after dpkg-reconfigure tzdata how can I setup to use 24h format ?
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1473 [20:42:37] <deadrom> sponix: thanks
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1475 [20:44:05] <dob1> it's locale
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1481 [20:48:27] <annadane> sort of depends on your threat model
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1483 [20:48:33] <annadane> but yeah trusting anything china is a bit suspect
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1490 [20:53:38] <Kobaz> anyone familiar with how to remap the caps lock key with setxkbmap
1491 [20:53:54] <Kobaz> i found this: setxkbmap -option ctrl:nocaps which disables the caps lock, but then iwant to set this as another button
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1493 [20:58:04] <Kobaz> oooo i got it: setxkbmap -option caps:supe
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1512 [21:11:58] <synaps3> hi what graphics driver i need to install for thinkpad x200tablet
1513 [21:12:07] <synaps3> none of steam games work
1514 [21:12:10] <synaps3> Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller
1515 [21:12:14] <synaps3> this is from lspci
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1517 [21:12:37] <synaps3> VGA compatible controller
1518 [21:12:44] <synaps3> any help ?
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1520 [21:15:33] <cybercrypto> synaps3: try running as root "hwinfo" and output to a log file, so you can analize later and discover the hardware detected
1521 [21:15:42] <met> synaps3, you might find something useful on thinkwiki.org
1522 [21:16:05] <cybercrypto> synaps3: with that in hand, we can start looking for compatible drivers.
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1524 [21:17:15] <diogenes_> i doubt you can play any advanced games with that integrated graphics.
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1532 [21:21:29] <cybercrypto> diogenes_: True.
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1538 [21:24:45] <joker5bb> hello
1539 [21:24:53] <sney> hi
1540 [21:25:36] <joker5bb> im trying to get backports to create a package with latest drivers
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1542 [21:26:36] <joker5bb> im following replaced-url
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1545 [21:28:07] <joker5bb> after running ./gentree.py --integrate --clean ~/linux-next/ /tmp/output and going to /tmp/output i cant run make menuconfig
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1555 [21:35:00] <sney> joker5bb: I haven't used those specific tools for custom kernel, but to troubleshoot anything like that, break down the individual steps and make sure they are doing exactly what they should be doing. if you don't know what that is, find out. get logs, read the output carefully.
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1558 [21:36:59] <joker5bb> sney: this is mostly to update wifi drivers only on your existing kernel
1559 [21:37:19] <sney> that still counts as a custom kernel
1560 [21:37:31] <joker5bb> sney: yes
1561 [21:38:18] <synaps3> cybercrypto, replaced-url
1562 [21:38:27] <synaps3> output of hwinfo --gfxcard
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1576 [21:46:58] <cybercrypto> synaps3: what module is currently loaded for video?
1577 [21:48:42] <synaps3> how do i check that ?cybe
1578 [21:48:44] <synaps3> cybercrypto,
1579 [21:49:19] <cybercrypto> synaps3: try as root: lspci -nnk (search the results for VGA compatible and 'kernel drive + kernel in use'
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1582 [21:50:45] <synaps3> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a42] (rev 07)
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1584 [21:51:37] <cybercrypto> synaps3: please preffer debian pastebin if it is more than 3 lines.
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1586 [21:52:06] <cybercrypto> synaps3: you will have something like: kernel driver in use: xxxxxxx
1587 [21:52:18] <cybercrypto> Kernel Modules: xxxxxx
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1589 [21:52:59] <cybercrypto> synaps3: that will show you, the kernel modules you have and which one is currently bein used for your hardware.
1590 [21:54:19] <cybercrypto> synaps3: Intel has a good history/background working with open source projects, providing drivers and support (some other companies are really 'just pain'...
1591 [21:56:49] <synaps3> cybercrypto, replaced-url
1592 [21:56:50] <synaps3> here
1593 [21:56:53] <synaps3> i915
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1595 [21:57:06] <ws2k3> im investigate why debian is droppping alot of packets. im seeing this in dropwatch 4209 drops at net_tx_action+0 (0xffffffff8d3123d0) what could this mean?
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1599 [22:01:28] <cybercrypto> synaps3: i915... so I am afraid I cannot offer you a better choice. You must try install software to use some 3D feature from your hardware.
1600 [22:02:34] <cybercrypto> synaps3: you may try 'compizz' and do some 3D digging. And remember... integrated graphics are never powerfull enougth to fire up advanced 3D gamming.
1601 [22:02:54] <synaps3> i see
1602 [22:03:02] <synaps3> thanks for help cybercrypto :D
1603 [22:03:02] <Freneticks> Is there a tool like arch-audit -u for debian ? (-u Show only packages that have already been fixed)
1604 [22:03:31] <cybercrypto> synaps3: np
1605 [22:03:48] <cybercrypto> Freneticks: what does the mentioned tool of yours do?
1606 [22:04:13] <Freneticks> cybercrypto: show package that have cve but fixed so you can apt upgrade -y
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1608 [22:04:52] <cybercrypto> Freneticks: you can APT in arch? that's new...
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1610 [22:05:21] <Freneticks> cybercrypto: pacman if you prefer this was a wg
1611 [22:05:23] <Freneticks> a eg*
1612 [22:05:45] <cybercrypto> Freneticks: in this case, we may get a step back, to talk a bit about concepts...
1613 [22:06:03] <Freneticks> ?
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1616 [22:06:56] <cybercrypto> Debian distro is a rock solid stable solution. I firmly believe that it is the most stable at all (competing against few others like Slackware) in terms of stability.
1617 [22:08:08] <cybercrypto> Freneticks: to my knowledge, there is no need for debian to have a 'audit-tool' to find security issues/bugs, since there is acctually a debian-team working on security.
1618 [22:08:34] <Freneticks> lol what a mess
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1620 [22:08:48] <cybercrypto> Freneticks: you know, Debian is not rolling-release, so it does not find in the same situation as archlinux 'latest software and bugs'
1621 [22:08:54] <Freneticks> stop please
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1623 [22:09:31] <Freneticks> the situation are worst since they need the patch themself only the cve thing
1624 [22:09:42] <Freneticks> and yes there is a tool to audit every package in debian
1625 [22:09:59] <Freneticks> but this is a developper tool
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1627 [22:10:27] <Freneticks> i want a admin sys tool to show only package that have been fixed
1628 [22:10:43] <Donatas> exit
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1630 [22:10:52] <cybercrypto> Freneticks: good, so grab that tool and have fun.
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1638 [22:14:02] <Freneticks> Also there is a stable repo but there is also a rolling repo so your definition is a bit weird
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1643 [22:15:41] <cybercrypto> Freneticks: you may keep saying 'rolling' but that concept is not applied in debian. It is unstable repo. And it is for testing/dev earlier phases (before getting mature enougth for stable repo).
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1646 [22:17:00] <Freneticks> testing yes but many user use unstable for day to day life and happy with it.
1647 [22:17:02] <cybercrypto> Freneticks: The user can of couse point its own repo to 'unstable' but that does not turn you debian a 'rolling release'.
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1650 [22:18:07] <cybercrypto> Freneticks: back to your question then: No, I dont know any tool in debian that will do the same as 'audit-arch' does for archlinux rolling release.
1651 [22:18:41] <cybercrypto> Freneticks: you may wait other to comment here, and you may also try debian-security for detailed info, if you will.
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1663 [22:37:04] <schmuck> Hi. Man boobs. k thnx.
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1675 [22:46:10] <schmuck> I said man boobs please?
1676 [22:46:18] <schmuck> I broke the channel rules.
1677 [22:46:28] <schmuck> I am being silly and immature?
1678 [22:46:31] <schmuck> Anyone around?
1679 [22:46:47] <ws2k3> im investigate why debian is droppping alot of packets. im seeing this in dropwatch 4209 drops at net_tx_action+0 (0xffffffff8d3123d0) what could this mean?
1680 [22:47:19] <schmuck> wifi or cable?
1681 [22:47:47] <ws2k3> schmuck is that for response for me? cable
1682 [22:48:53] <schmuck> ws2k3: try sudo ping google.com -f and see if you stay at one dot or if packets are dropped
1683 [22:49:30] <schmuck> trust me, this is what professionals do to troubleshoot.
1684 [22:49:44] <ws2k3> schmuck its not that easy unfortunaly. once an hour or something all client disconnect from the server i lose ssh connections. and after like 2/3 seconds the machine is back online again
1685 [22:50:14] <ws2k3> schmuck also. grafana is showing me that exacly at that point linux was dropping packets
1686 [22:51:55] <schmuck> ws2k3: have you concluded that it's not the gateway?
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1688 [22:52:15] <ws2k3> schmuck no but it seems the server works fine if there is no network load on it
1689 [22:52:16] <schmuck> and have you checked the system log for those points in time?
1690 [22:52:29] <ws2k3> schmuck yes i did nothing in dmesg or in syslog
1691 [22:52:39] <schmuck> is it a VPN or is it connected to your home router maybe?
1692 [22:53:49] <ws2k3> schmuck nope. its a dedicated server in a datacenter connected to a switch with a cable. it also not a vm just bare metal
1693 [22:53:54] <ws2k3> schmuck replaced-url
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1697 [22:55:15] <ws2k3> schmuck replaced-url
1698 [22:55:16] <schmuck> is this a production server or can you stress test it?
1699 [22:55:35] <ws2k3> schmuck i can stress test on it
1700 [22:56:20] <ws2k3> schmuck im just trying to find out why debian is dropping packages sometimes
1701 [22:57:23] <schmuck> yes, you gotta trouble shoot it, because it isn't straight.
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1703 [22:57:43] <ws2k3> schmuck do you know dropwatch? replaced-url
1704 [22:58:45] <ws2k3> schmuck yeah so im pretty sure something is wrong. but no idea what
1705 [22:59:12] <schmuck> I don't know dropwatch. But try to reproduce the situation by stress testing the server if you can (i.e. isn't production)
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1707 [23:00:10] <ws2k3> schmuck lets say this traffic is allmost impossible to reproduce
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1709 [23:00:24] <schmuck> unlikely
1710 [23:00:26] <ws2k3> cause its maby different processes that together at some point this issue comes up
1711 [23:02:51] <schmuck> Yes, that's what you've got to find out. Start basic, just push through a lot of traffic. If that gives something you may wanna check the firewall, gateway/router etc etc. If it gives you nothing then you might wanna try opening up a lot of TCP-connections or examine if there's a specific port (i.e. service) that fails but no others. You wanna try turning different kind of network services on and off. But you need to be able to reproduce
1712 [23:02:51] <schmuck> the problem by trying different things.
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1714 [23:03:08] <schmuck> it could be anything
1715 [23:03:43] <schmuck> maybe it's not local but you reach the ISPs throughput
1716 [23:04:23] <schmuck> maybe some kind of network stack gets full because you're using some custom made software with weird faulty packets.
1717 [23:04:27] <schmuck> do you have a port knocker?
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1722 [23:05:36] <schmuck> if you run "sudo ping google.com -f" for a while and it fails once in a while (shouldn't since that's not much traffic really) then a good guess would be the internet connection.
1723 [23:05:55] <schmuck> Really gotta find that lead. Got to try things.
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1727 [23:06:36] <schmuck> I came here to troll damn it
1728 [23:06:49] <schmuck> aaro, wake up, you look stupid.
1729 [23:06:53] <schmuck> anybody.
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1733 [23:14:07] <flayer> kek
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1735 [23:14:49] <schmuck> flayer: hi. me and aaro are going to make a baby and then dump it in the nearest dumpster.
1736 [23:14:51] <schmuck> <3
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1753 [23:28:22] <schmuck> hi blastoise. Penis etc.
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1756 [23:30:27] <blastoise> schmuck: hi
1757 [23:31:27] <schmuck> hi blastoise. Now this: Very long man boobs.
1758 [23:31:58] <schmuck> blastoise, we must have an op remove me, I can't do this, this is against the channel policy.
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