25[00:07:28] <usr01234321eq111> all right. i've done: 1) edit the lines, modify all them; 2) save, ran "apt update" and "apt upgrade" (using sudo); 3) try to install both with apt. nothing works. it says that it cannot find the package
104[00:45:52] <usr01234321eq111> so, if you're not sick of me, i will be writing that now my system "mounted it"
105[00:46:01] <usr01234321eq111> but it's not over yet
106[00:46:24] <usr01234321eq111> dmesg says: wlx6470020a21e7: aborting authentication with 10:fe:ed:90:49:38 by local choice (Reason: 3=DEAUTH_LEAVING)
107[00:46:37] <usr01234321eq111> which is my usb wifi card
138[01:05:12] <usr01234321eq111> Hey, I think I really need to study this. Not just ask for help, harassing. Your time doesn't deserve to be wasted in a very new fanatic like I am.
217[02:09:49] <fuxxy> rwp, not a debian package. replaced-url
218[02:09:53] <sney> python 3.x versions are intended to be backwards compatible, so anything developed for 3.5 should work fine in 3.7. however, there are out-of-debian ways to manage multiple pythons in /usr/local or so
219[02:09:56] <rwp> Because of the way python (and perl and ruby and ...) are packaged they are installed as versions specific binaries in /usr/bin and therefore can have multiple versions installed simultaneously.
220[02:10:14] <sponix> sney: maybe they can use equivs to make it think python3.5 is there, and then just link python3.5 to /bin/python3 ;)
221[02:10:36] <sney> sponix: unfortunately, equivs is never a hammer, even if everything does look like a nail
224[02:11:27] <rwp> I am very suspicious that you really need exactly python 3.5. I feel it very likely that the default 3.7 is okay for you.
225[02:11:30] <sney> making a /usr/bin/python3.5 symlink that points to /usr/bin/python3.7 might just work though, depending on how kludgy that overviewer thing is
227[02:12:07] <fuxxy> it worked when I was running stretch. I performed a dist-upgrade, now the main overviewer.py complains No module named 'overviewer_core'
228[02:12:13] <rwp> fuxxy, I assume you are trying to download the deb file from replaced-url
239[02:15:52] <rwp> Looking at the deb file contents I do see a lot of .pyc files in the deb file. Knowing nothing about python or py packaging I find it surprising that they would have .pyc files there.
244[02:17:44] <sponix> fuxxy: that might explain why it is looking for a specific version ;)
245[02:18:00] <rwp> I am not a python person but I would have expected them to ship the .py files and let them be compiled on the local system at install time so that everything matched. But I do not know very much. Less and less every day!
246[02:18:13] <fuxxy> I'm wondering if I remove the .pyc files it'll behave?
247[02:18:27] <rwp> That bug ticket has a lot of discussion about the exact problem.
248[02:18:43] <fuxxy> they're suggesting I compile from source, and not use their repo. They apparently don't have a buster build environment
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250[02:19:12] <rwp> I think if it were me that I would build from the source.
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262[02:22:21] <rwp> The other option would be where you were going before. Install python 3.5 using packages. Due to the versioning of the python files I think that will work okay too.
263[02:22:59] <rwp> ls -l /usr/bin | grep python
264[02:23:09] <rwp> I see that I have both 2.7 and 3.7 installed on my Buster system.
268[02:24:09] <rwp> And 3.5 on Stretch. I think it would be okay to add stretch to sources.list on Buster and install the old python 3.5 packages from there.
269[02:24:42] <rwp> I think that would likely work okay. And specifically because of the package versioning and because you are at Buster which is already later than Stretch on the same release track.
275[02:26:03] <rwp> I think normally the python and python3 and python-all packages pull in the new versions. The old versions are then candidates for autoremove and get cleaned up that way.
286[02:32:12] <fuxxy> rwp, I'll try compiling from source. I'm just being extra cautious I use the same INSTALL locations before removing the repo version
294[02:36:43] <rwp> fuxxy, Are you familiar with the 'etckeeper' package? It saves /etc information in version control. Very useful for keeping track of what is changing on systems. I highly recommend it.
296[02:37:42] <rwp> It's also pretty simple to use. For the most part it "Just Works" when installed. The only interesting problem is if one already has .git directories in subdirectories of /etc already.
298[02:39:01] <rwp> Such as if one is already using git version control for some subdirectory. Then initially there will be a failure on the stacking of .git directories. Ignore the sub directory and that's it.
300[02:39:29] <fuxxy> rwp, I've never pulled a git repo into /etc. I would lose track of that for sure. It does seem handy, though. I've been running multiple debian VM's to separate services so the installs don't get too convoluted
319[03:00:11] <fuxxy> rwp It appears installing overviewer to the system was as simple as copying the build/overviewer_core folder to /usr/lib/python3.7 and the build/scripts/overviewer.py to /usr/bin
334[03:18:49] <sponix> So, nvidia-smi says my Installed version of Cuda is 10.2 -- BUT, when I do apt-cache madison nvidia-cuda-toolkit or nvidia-cuda-dev -- my options listed are 9.2 stable, and 10.1 backports
337[03:19:30] <sponix> I am using the Nvidia 440 driver from backports for my GTX 960 ... Should I be using the newer backports cuda also ? Is there a performance advantage for Folding@home ?
358[03:34:46] <i-node> hello, I have a disk that doesn't show any partitions (there is one), if I open it with gdisk, it tells me that it has found mbr and gpt partition and asks me to choose one option: mbr, gpt or create blank gpt. if I choose GPT, it shows one partition, but when I do W it prevents me from writing it because I will loose data
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393[03:54:34] <rwp> fuxxy, Sounds good! Keep track of that information. Since it is outside of the package manager you will need to track it yourself, and hopefully with a future version will undo it and use the upgraded package later. And be enjoying it working between now and then. :-)
421[04:21:53] <lyind> rwp: it's just a session id i accidentally copied into the bug report. but i immediately destroyed the session. so the edit would only serve to hide my stupidy... i guess we leave it sitting there.
430[04:27:20] <rwp> lyind, I have definitely written some stupid things myself. But my plan is to hide that as best as possible by saying more things that are hopefully more helpful and intelligent so that the sum total is on average better.
470[05:13:35] <nickgaw> Hi, Where as I am totally blind can I find a text or single html file version of the debian reference guide or other guides like the installation and faqs? One single file would be best but if it is in sections like chapter 1 is in it's own file and chapter 2 is in it's own file I guess that would work but prefer it is one file?
471[05:15:06] <annadane> on the internet or as a package on your system?
472[05:15:30] <annadane> i'm reading your description, but what's wrong with replaced-url
486[05:17:55] <annadane> you mean you want stuff all on one page as opposed to having to click on sections? like if you wanted to print it out? maybe i'm just not understanding fully
489[05:18:51] <nickgaw> I would like it in one page as I can load the entire file into a braille notetaker and read threw it like a book but if each section is in it's own file that I guess would beok.
490[05:19:13] <annadane> ah, you mean blind in a literal sense. i apologize for my misunderstanding
491[05:19:24] <annadane> i'm not sure, maybe someone else can answer
492[05:20:15] <nickgaw> my braille devices also speak so I like to read these guides using text to speech and having them in one large html file would be nice each guide but if things are in sections that would be ok I guess.
500[05:22:36] <annadane> the current DPL is blind as well, i think he would be sympathetic to organizing documentation in a more blind-friendly fashion
501[05:24:04] <sponix> annadane: is a admin book on Debian 8 old enough to not be relevant anymore ?
502[05:24:30] <annadane> i don't think it's strictly about debian 8
504[05:24:42] <lwp> nickgaw: the debian reference is already installed as a gzipped text file on my computer, in file: /usr/share/debian-reference/debian-reference.en.txt.gz
505[05:24:47] <annadane> but yes i've wondered that too, some stuff is wrong like references to alioth instead of salsa but most of it is still correct
506[05:24:48] <sponix> nickgaw: I also have epub and mobi in there
525[05:33:47] <BazookaTooth> put all of those CDs in the microwave. should be fun
526[05:33:59] <sponix> nickgaw: if you need further help. You can add me on Discord and we can "voice chat" sometime. I know the screen reader can get old after a while
540[05:42:20] <nickgaw> sponix I downloaded the epub and I will see how that works.
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543[05:44:08] <sponix> nickgaw: hope it helps. I am about to go to sleep it is 22:45 here. But normally I hang out here often. Let me know if you can use a hand with anything else
630[06:53:40] <travisfromsaskat> arabia and russia should be punished for their timing of an oil war, that's like 45% of our national canadian/american economy's going, poof
631[06:53:42] * Ede|Popede ain't an uver leet hax0r nor wants to be one. and: topic?
632[06:53:49] <travisfromsaskat> lol
633[06:54:02] <travisfromsaskat> ede too humble to acknowledge his leetness
634[06:54:16] <travisfromsaskat> he can program awk programming an assembler in ksh
635[06:55:20] <travisfromsaskat> what you want to talk about
636[06:55:24] <Ede|Popede> ,v paltalk
637[06:55:25] <travisfromsaskat> i've always liked file systems
638[06:55:25] <judd> No package named 'paltalk' was found in amd64.
639[06:55:30] <Ede|Popede> oh. good.
640[06:55:33] <travisfromsaskat> yeah
641[06:55:39] <travisfromsaskat> could never find a client for it on linux
642[06:55:59] <travisfromsaskat> you know that 64 bit cpus can do 128 bit divisions?
643[06:56:08] <travisfromsaskat> it's in the c-code
644[06:56:13] <travisfromsaskat> almost never utilized though
645[06:56:32] <travisfromsaskat> could speed up alot of programs, if you can turn other calculations into divisions, where it makes sense
646[06:56:59] <travisfromsaskat> almost nobody knows assembly anymore though
678[07:22:24] <ejr> hi! i want to download a package via apt-get for later installation/installation whenever needed. when i use "apt-get download" i only receive the package, not the dependencies. is there a way to also automatically fetch the dependencies of that package for later installation?
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681[07:23:13] <Unit193> 1. Use apt install $pkg and look what else it'll pull in. 2. apt-offline?
686[07:25:24] <ejr> as for 1.) how does it help me to know what it'll pull in? i could of course write a script that then fetches all of those packages manually with apt-get download, but that seems clumsy
724[07:51:58] <Unit193> ejr: In that it would show you precisely what packages would be installed, so you have a full list of things to pass to `apt download`
743[08:01:24] <awal1> maybe the new "apt" frontend of main apt will include some stuff of aptitude regarding what you are saying. it is work in progress
765[08:11:56] <miskatonic> Aptitude -R still lists the recommends, and I can read and check and decide for myself to enable individual recommends
766[08:12:10] <awal1> miskatonic, so i guess your problem is not having a broken system or unmet dependencies when trying to install X pkgs. you "issue" is that a few autoinstalled pkgs still in your system after removing gnome?
767[08:12:12] <jelly> Haohmaru, use !ops next time. PM spam or what?
784[08:16:45] <miskatonic> gnome was just an example for a complex dependency system. I have avoided desktop environments already at initial install time, so that does not concern me. Problems I have had with various smaller packages which no one else seems to use, anyways
785[08:17:03] <Haohmaru> jelly i didn't want to spam all teh ops, i know ur usually awake at this time
790[08:19:58] <miskatonic> For example, when downgrading from texlive-full to a partial texlive installation while still wanting to keep some fonts and utilities that come with texlive-full but are not included in the subsets
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809[08:25:50] <Haohmaru> moi no schprachen ze italiano
810[08:26:15] <awal1> dpkg: downgrade
811[08:26:15] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
818[08:28:20] <jelly> miskatonic, you have several options: if you want to keep MOST the deps, you can use equivs to replace the ones you do not need and keep apt happy.
819[08:28:58] <jelly> miskatonic, if you need some deps of the huge metapackage, you can mark the desired ones as manually installed
823[08:30:26] <miskatonic> to do that, I need to see the consequences of an uninstallation of a metapackage. Aptitude makes it easy to see the consequences and act accordingly.
824[08:30:27] <jelly> the deps marked manual won't get uninstalled when you remove the parent metapackage
825[08:30:47] <jelly> miskatonic, all the apt* tools have a -s / --dry-run optoin
834[08:34:25] <saran> I installed debian10 minimal install. I also installed alsa-utils and pulseaudio, and enabled the sound using alsamixer command, but when I play video using mpv, the audio is not playing and I get the following displayed 'Audio/Video desynchronisation detected! Possible reasons include too slow hardware, temporary CPU spikes, broken drivers, and broken files. Audio position will not match to the Video (see
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836[08:34:31] <saran> A-V status field).' I used the following command 'sudo alsactl restore' mentioned in the debian wiki sound configuration.
989[10:13:20] <tuv> I'm seeing frequent 'Connection failed' errors from apt when I use a local network proxy (ok, it's a little more complicated setup). How can I debug them? I can't see any additional details on the apt client side
1003[10:19:37] <Lady_Aleena> I just read an article on how the world will change because of Covid-19. One of the topics was how software developers will be writing and producing better telework software. Will Debian be able to keep up with the new software? Do you think the Linux community is reaching out to software developers to make sure that there are versions of telework software for Linux users? Debian does not like releasing bleeding-edge software, but some
1004[10:19:37] <Lady_Aleena> of the changes in the world may demand it. So, do you think that Linux will keep up?
1005[10:19:50] <Lady_Aleena> Here's the article/section link: replaced-url
1132[11:36:23] <discord_> Hello, I'm trying to set up iptables to do NAT so I don't run a service as root
1133[11:36:55] <discord_> I found this as a reference: replaced-url
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1135[11:37:31] <discord_> this seemed to be the favorite response but it's 12 years old: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8080
1136[11:37:40] <ratrace> discord_: eh what? you don't need iptables for that, just CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE
1137[11:37:45] <discord_> I tried to adapt it and ended up with the following:
1149[11:39:19] <discord_> Ok, do you have a reference? Is it really bad to use IP tables?
1150[11:39:26] <ratrace> discord_: you can set the capaiblity in the service unit and it then affects ONLY that master process (and its children methinks)
1151[11:39:33] <ratrace> discord_: it's nonsense to use iptables for that
1152[11:39:45] <discord_> why? looks like a simple rule
1159[11:41:20] <ratrace> because the capability exists. using iptables for that is like creating a whole convoluted rube goldberg machine. its only value is comedy and "Because I can".
1160[11:41:27] <ratrace> but do whatever you want. you've got the information now.
1161[11:41:30] <discord_> ok ratrace I will accept your opinion as I ponder it further. Do you have a reference regarding CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE
1168[11:43:10] <ratrace> discord_: you have a systemd unit for the service I presume? if not, why not? use the AmbientCapabilities setting of the service unit.
1169[11:43:31] <ratrace> see systemd.exec(5) for more info on that
1181[11:48:31] <ratrace> fwiw I run all the public processes like that, especially nginx
1182[11:48:44] <discord_> it's not a webserver it's a web application
1183[11:48:58] <ratrace> discord_: does it process HTTP Requests?
1184[11:49:07] <ratrace> I mean if it listens on port 80 then it probably does, right?
1185[11:49:39] <discord_> I set it up to listen to a port other than 80 and want to forward the incomming port to the service so I don't have to run it as root...
1187[11:50:20] <ratrace> right so it's a web application with web server functionality (more precisely, it's a HTTP server), and you can run it unprivileged just give it the CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE capability to bind to port 80
1188[11:50:33] <ksk> discord_: we got your problem scenario, CAP_NET_BIND is the solution ;)
1189[11:52:48] <discord_> ok I will look it up...
1190[11:53:38] <ksk> discord_: in 2020 you want to create a systemd service file for your daemons anyways.
1230[12:09:42] <ratrace> even if you're "just testing" you can whip up a simple service unit for that. that's why it was designed, so people can quickly whip up service management config without resorting to arcane shell scripting
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1265[12:40:55] <Regor> on login my ext4 partition requires password on udisk2 authentication popup . please link the docs on " udisks2 to mount devices without authentication" applicable to buster .
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1304[13:08:32] <talin> hello. i am really confused with how to create a debian package. i have read and understood the manual approach to doing it, but i can't figure out what tool to use for it. should i use dh_something, dpkg-deb, debmake or something else? which tools are outdated and which are recent? basically i have one .py file and one .conf file that needs to be copied into the filesystem, and i need to ensure that some
1305[13:08:38] <talin> python dependencies are installed. that's it. where do i start?
1313[13:15:06] <diogenes_> i use dpkg-deb --build dirname.
1314[13:15:28] <talin> n_1-c_k: thank you
1315[13:15:45] <talin> diogenes_: so you just move files around manually and then call that command? you don't generate a skeleton first, or anything like that?
1316[13:15:53] <talin> using e.g. debmake or something
1345[13:32:51] <L0aD1nG> i would like to ask if i install a program not from debian databases, with an installer where should i look on the system for its file?
1346[13:32:57] <L0aD1nG> s/file/files
1347[13:33:10] <Haohmaru> who knows
1348[13:33:12] <L0aD1nG> if for example i would like to uninstall it
1354[13:35:03] <L0aD1nG> Haohmaru: i think it didnt ask for root but not sure cause the program was installed like 2 years ago
1355[13:35:05] <Haohmaru> afaik, programs on don't get installed like.. "in one place" .. each program's different files go into different system directories
1361[13:36:56] <L0aD1nG> Haohmaru: /usr/bin has a sym link just that it seems that was running everything on /opt, but all this from what i saw with the find command
1362[13:37:57] <Haohmaru> symlink? well i don't think normal users are allowed to make symlinks in there
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1381[13:42:43] <L0aD1nG> ksk: maybe 2-3 years ago, so i am not sure for the method but i am sure it wasnt via apt.
1382[13:43:27] <Haohmaru> if they give you .deb then you install it with apt/dpkg/gdebi, and i think it should be easily uninstallable like normal
1383[13:44:12] <L0aD1nG> Haohmaru: i tried to uninstall it and search it both with dpkg and apt without any result.
1384[13:44:50] <Haohmaru> *shrug* then
1385[13:45:00] <Haohmaru> better try to find the installer
1386[13:45:07] <Haohmaru> and see what it looks like
1387[13:45:34] <oiaohm> L0aD1nG: I have used debain for over 20 years. dpkg or apt or apt-get would be your normal package management bits you would do uninstalls from.
1388[13:45:45] <oiaohm> L0aD1nG: if using the command line.
1389[13:46:03] <Haohmaru> i think i've seen only one thing with an "installer" and it was crapvidia non-free drivers, with a fuggly .sh script
1390[13:46:10] <L0aD1nG> maybe it still exists i didnt thought about that let me see, although now i followed (i guess) the wrong strategy manually rm.
1397[13:48:42] <Haohmaru> either look inside it for clues, or find the "install instructions" for it and see what they said
1398[13:48:44] <oiaohm> L0aD1nG: darn crud. I just looked up android studio install page yes it manual install crap. I now remember why I installed it by flatpak so I had a clean uninstall.
1405[13:51:11] <L0aD1nG> either way now i did the wrong thing searching "everything" and manually removing it so even if there is an uninstaller it wont work properly i guess
1417[13:54:26] <L0aD1nG> oiaohm: it was the only thing that it was not supported by debian i had in my system. I know...
1418[13:55:14] <L0aD1nG> well i may still have... well i guess configuration files? i should check /etc maybe?
1419[13:55:17] <oiaohm> L0aD1nG: really I would think those who made the problem would be able to give better advice on what their installer script has done.
1420[13:55:48] <oiaohm> Because this is not like a flatpak or a debian package that part of those is how to uninstall the thing.
1421[13:56:07] <L0aD1nG> oiaohm: its logical, okay thank you for the advice.
1425[13:57:29] <oiaohm> Next time you find sometime like this look at flatpak/snap/appimage.. basically a solution that part of install include a clean uninstall option.
1433[14:03:39] <Jaami> Hi, my 2TB USB with 4 partitions is not recognized by unetboorin and rufus. what is the best tool name? tyring to boot usb with non-free net debian.
1436[14:04:28] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
1487[14:40:51] <vlt> Hello. What are the kernel cmdline params one could try to get rid of "ACPI Exception: AE_NOT_FOUND, ..." when booting a Debian live iso in "MacBook Parallels" virtualization environment?
1488[14:42:06] <jelly> vlt, ignore those, unless something actually fails to work
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1491[14:43:42] <vlt> jelly: It seems to fail. The problem is it’s not myself trying but someone I gave the iso image to try on their Mac and I have no further details right here :-|
1512[14:58:05] <jelly> vlt, what fails, specifically? boot after installation? installation?
1513[14:58:11] <jelly> !doesn't work
1514[14:58:12] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
1541[15:09:45] <Jaami> Hi, bad thing about debian non-free net image is that it look for cd-rom drivers. please let me know if i can use other non-free image that need no cd-rom to load files
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1548[15:13:34] <Jaami> having 4 partitions on USB with only 1 visible and active , is no problem and debian setup started. but main menu when go for cd-rom checking, there is the problem. why debian setup look for cd-rom?
1549[15:14:14] <joepublic> by CD-ROM, in this case, it means the set of files on your USB stick
1555[15:15:57] <joepublic> not specifically, though your four partition monomania is contrary to the procedure of just copying the install image to a usb stick, that image having its own partitions.
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1559[15:18:08] <Jaami> i can smile at this point because i need no more than one partition at this time. i think to save time best way to go is re-partitions with just one
1601[15:40:05] <Jaami> Hi, non-free net image always go for cd-rom driver check while my usb has only one bootable partition with debian setup. either the image is bad or my usb drive . how to bypass the cd-rom driver check on debin main menu setup ?
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1603[15:41:27] <Jaami> there is no cd-rom in my laptop
1609[15:43:49] <L0aD1nG> Jaami: i guess the bios settings are okay for the usb boot...right?
1610[15:44:05] <Jaami> i had 4 partitions on USB, i deleted all and one active partition on usb when boot look for cd-rom which i dont have. what am i doing wrong?
1611[15:44:22] <Jaami> L0aD1nG: yes, boot process start from USB
1612[15:44:35] <L0aD1nG> ohh right, there is no optical drive at all.
1613[15:44:53] <vlt> jelly: I have to ask what specifically fails. It’s a Debian live USB iso I created using live-build. It works perfectly fine on all "real" machines and a Xen host I tested on. But there’s always that one guy who wants to run it on his Mac :rolleyes:
1614[15:44:56] <Jaami> yes, no optical drive at all
1615[15:45:25] <L0aD1nG> Jaami: did you search on the internet about it?
1616[15:45:26] <vlt> jelly: Thanks for your help so far.
1617[15:45:59] <greycat> !firmware images
1618[15:45:59] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
1619[15:46:37] <Jaami> L0aD1nG: please give me hint on what went wrong or could be wrong, so i can go for search on net
1635[15:49:23] <greycat> Then you don't talk about "partitions on USB". Writing the installer image onto the USB device obliterates all content currently on the USB device, including partitions.
1641[15:51:26] <themill> Jaami: precisely how are you copying the image onto the usb stuck?
1642[15:51:42] <dreamer> jm_: the old nginx is still running
1643[15:51:50] <dreamer> but even when I stop it the install won't work
1644[15:52:32] * dreamer is confused
1645[15:53:16] <jm_> dreamer: the postinst tries to start it and that failed is my guess, you can try sticking "set -x" in its postinst script to see the details
1646[15:53:42] <dreamer> where can I find this?
1647[15:53:53] <greycat> /var/lib/dpkg/info/
1648[15:53:55] <Jaami> themill: i use bootice to make/remove partitions then format the partition(s) then use Win32DiskImager to make the usb bootable with non-free net image i downloaded today. someone gave me the link here in this channel
1649[15:54:31] <dreamer> instead of `set -e` or additionally ?
1740[16:48:22] <kryl> hi, I have a strange problem with my wifi adapter. I use NetworkManager, but I have the same results with low levels stuff like "iw". I can use SSID with my internal card but the level is low. I added an externel wifi adapter (two differents adapter for testing) and I can see more networks because it's more sensible including all list from my external BUT excluding my router !
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1742[16:48:48] <kryl> I really don't understand why my external adapter who can see more networks can't see my router and my internal is able to do it
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1757[16:52:35] <somiaj> is your interal card that isn't working intel (iwlwifi) or atheros (ath9k)
1758[16:52:42] <kryl> I also tryied to disable my other card with : blacklist iwlwifi and rmmod iwlnvm iwlwifi. But I continue to see all SSID except my router with the external adapter
1775[16:57:20] <kryl> "nmcli dev wifi list" the first block is the external adapter and the second one the internal card... the router SSID expose : zit & zit-hd...
1776[16:57:31] <kryl> and I expect to see them in the more sensible card.
1777[16:57:46] <kryl> it's really strange :-) and if I use an other adapter with a different MAC I have the same problem
1815[17:22:47] <Lope> I just did a debootstrap onto a USB drive, it seemed to complete successfully, but when I try to chroot into it (with the boot partition bind mounted) it said I have no name@myhostname
1816[17:23:02] <Lope> and I wasn't able to do anything in it really, couldn't launch vi, or apt etc.
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1834[17:26:43] <Heavy91> Lope you seem to have a custom "active" shell prompt which does not work in the chroot environment. I think you can ignore that.
1894[17:34:38] <somiaj> Lope: do you use expert mode, you sometimes have to load additional .udebs for stuff like that. fdisk is kinda depericated, I think parted is default, but you can load additional udebs for fdisk, cfdisk (what i use)
1911[17:39:54] <Lope> when I did the debootstrap earlier I specified --arch amd64. assuming that it was clever enough to realize that I'm ON amd64 and it can do a single stage debootstrap.
1912[17:40:11] <Lope> But maybe it's not clever enough to realize that so I've omitted arch. Will see what happens.
1913[17:40:27] <Lope> that I have no name thing kind of reminds me of an incomplete 2 stage debootstrap
1914[17:40:44] <Lope> when you're doing a cross arch debootstrap
1915[17:41:29] <Lope> okay it finished differently.
1916[17:41:41] <Lope> this time it ended saying Base system installed successfully!
2091[19:00:58] <sney> it was invented by redhat people but it's been in mainline linux (and thus available in every distro) since the 2.6 kernel
2092[19:01:15] <nkuttler> !selinux
2093[19:01:15] <dpkg> Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is NSA's port of the FLASK Security Architecture to Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. Unofficial FAQ: replaced-url
2116[19:12:03] <nickgaw> I did not know you could do that I am trying to find out information so you are saying /msg dpkg instead?
2117[19:13:01] <annadane> yeah, find the information from dpkg by private messaging dpkg so it doesn't fill up the support channel when people have questions
2118[19:13:05] <auspugs> nickgaw that is exactly what he is saying, if you put a "/" at the start, makes it a command
2119[19:13:23] <annadane> you can also find stuff here replaced-url
2128[19:22:36] <nickgaw> What I was trying to do is find a way to add some accessibility information to the dpkg bot as I am totally blind and it does not know a lot about accessibility this is why I was trying to contact the owner of dpkg?
2129[19:23:08] <greycat> The bot just spits back factoids that we teach it. Everyone can teach it. It doesn't require the owner's intervention.
2130[19:23:37] <nickgaw> So how do I teach it something and is the source around?
2131[19:25:36] <sney> you /msg the bot and tell it 'factoidname is factoid content' and if factoidname isn't taken, it will reply "ok"
2132[19:25:42] <sney> and then it has a new factoid.
2133[19:26:00] <sney> you can also correct existing ones by saying 'no, factoidname is factoid new content'
2134[19:26:10] <cybercrypto> nickgaw: Please, read here first and cleaer out your main doubts. You will problably understand it better after the reading. replaced-url
2135[19:26:23] <nickgaw> ok I will try that once I learn something I know won't change in the near future can you reteach it something if something changes?
2136[19:26:29] <sney> judd and dpkg are completely different and behave differently
2137[19:26:29] <greycat> judd works very differently from dpkg
2139[19:26:53] <sney> nickgaw: the website linked earlier for searching the factoids also contains their revision history
2140[19:27:22] <annadane> you *don't* want users being able to freely edit judd
2141[19:27:22] <nickgaw> What codebase is that bot?
2142[19:27:38] <greycat> dpkg, what are you
2143[19:27:39] <dpkg> I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>.
2144[19:27:43] <sney> dpkg is an infobot, judd is a supybot with some plugins for database access
2145[19:27:43] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, sney
2146[19:27:53] <greycat> !infobot
2147[19:27:53] <dpkg> Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See replaced-url
2148[19:27:53] <sney> hush
2149[19:28:02] <cybercrypto> greycat: I know. It is clear that our friend nickgaw miss concepts about irc/bot commands. My suggestion is to read docs and dig a bit more before anything else.
2175[19:40:10] <nickgaw> Just wondering I know as I have stopped epic5 from telling me when users join and leave but can most irc clients be made to stop telling you when someone changes their nickname or is that something you kind of need to know?
2179[19:41:59] <nickgaw> Is hexchat a GUI or console program?
2180[19:42:04] <sney> most irc clients can be expanded with plugins and scripts, and cleaning up data messages is a common request, so those scripts likely exist for all irc clients
2181[19:42:07] <sney> hexchat is gui
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2183[19:42:30] <nickgaw> I will have to see how well it works with orca.
2184[19:43:17] <sney> it's a very minimal gui. most of the code is from the early 00s and it can still be controlled with / commands like irssi
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2198[19:46:30] <annadane> if we're talking about irssi i may as well at least mention weechat, i don't have very much experience with it but it seems to have a lot of cool features as well
2200[19:47:33] <annadane> i think china has a "WeChat" or something, not to be confused with that :P
2201[19:47:33] <nickgaw> Why do most users on irc no longer like when I want to use /dcc to send files directly to them they want me to put it in dropbox and send it that way?
2205[19:49:18] <greycat> A lot of people are not running IRC clients directly on Internet-facing hosts. They do it through firewalls, through "bouncers", and so on.
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2215[19:55:57] <jelly> weechat has a client/server thing of its own doesn't it
2216[19:55:59] <nickgaw> How easy is it to setup gcc to compile for x86 on my x64 system and just use all of the same components for x86 that I can use on x64?
2218[19:57:30] <jelly> nickgaw, it depends on what your goal is; many -dev packages are still not coinstallable (you can't have 32bit dev libs and headers coexist with 64bit native ones)
2246[20:06:47] <L0aD1nG> i will upgrade soon though
2247[20:06:49] <greycat> !stable
2248[20:06:49] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Buster (10.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). replaced-url
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2252[20:07:32] <sney> oldstable is supported so that systems that can't upgrade right away, for whatever reason, are given extra time to move to stable
2253[20:07:47] <greycat> People running production servers and other critical systems may not want to ride a roller coaster of upgrading every 2 years.
2254[20:08:06] <nickgaw> If you wanted to still install oldstable or an earlier release can that be done?
2255[20:08:22] <greycat> yes
2256[20:08:34] <sney> yes, though it becomes more complicated with the oldold+ stable releases as the repo address changes to archive.debian.org
2263[20:09:40] <sney> nothing ever really gets deleted around here. just moved, sometimes
2264[20:09:46] <nickgaw> I mainly asked for my own testing purposes so if I wanted to install 1.0 I could do that like in a chroot or on a virtual machine?
2266[20:10:15] <jelly> L0aD1nG, LTS effort does not cover ALL the possible packages. Be careful and if your business relies on it, consider contributing financially.
2283[20:13:49] <L0aD1nG> wow i should upgrade i am too old... i know i will have to mess with i3 again i guess...
2284[20:13:58] <jelly> nickgaw, boot and install floppies.
2285[20:14:02] <greycat> each one had its own version of the debian installer
2286[20:14:12] <greycat> you either booted with a floppy or a CD
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2288[20:14:23] <nickgaw> So it was probably a mess to install?
2289[20:14:30] <sney> it wasn't very intuitive but we made it work
2290[20:14:35] <greycat> the installer has not radically changed since then
2291[20:14:46] <jelly> nickgaw, it was a mess comparable to all the other OSes of that time
2292[20:14:52] <greycat> it is largely the same text menu system, if you don't use the graphical installer, and who the hell uses the graphical installer... nobody.
2293[20:15:04] <nickgaw> true
2294[20:15:06] <sney> it was pretty easy in those days to be working through the installer and suddenly be looking at dselect though, if memory serves
2295[20:15:27] <nickgaw> What kernel and gcc version was in 1.1?
2296[20:15:33] <greycat> prior versions of the installer were actually more helpful in some ways, offering to set up your MTA for you
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2310[20:17:20] <sney> none of us have used a system that old in a long time if ever (I started on 2.2) so vague guesses would be the best support you'll get anyway
2311[20:17:23] <nickgaw> Will it run on a 64 bit system if it is 32 or 16 bit?
2312[20:17:30] <jelly> nickgaw, sure, for 100$/hr
2313[20:17:43] <sinkmanu> hi
2314[20:17:56] <sney> a 32-bit KVM VM would be your best bet for emulating it I think.
2315[20:17:59] <sney> hi sinkmanu
2316[20:18:02] <jelly> nickgaw, probably won't run on a 64bit hardware directly. Might run in a VM
2317[20:18:21] <nickgaw> ok I just want to mess around with it.
2318[20:18:45] <greycat> amd64 did not exist in those days, so you would be using a pure i386 release
2319[20:18:57] <jelly> probably be very picky with specific emulated hw components (some ISA network and scsi for disks and who knows for graphics)
2327[20:20:05] <nickgaw> I guess it is no big deal if it does not work but can I still file bugs?
2328[20:20:14] <sney> no bugs for unsupported releases please
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2330[20:21:07] <nickgaw> Will it just be ignored and if I find a bug running it on a modern system why should I not report it to help others?
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2332[20:21:30] <greycat> if you can reproduce the same bug on a current stable release, that's worth reporting
2333[20:21:49] <nickgaw> yes
2334[20:21:57] <L0aD1nG> i never check the /var/mail now that i heard that i checked and i find just one error like 20 times...
2335[20:22:26] <L0aD1nG> this : /usr/bin/mandb: can't open /usr/local/man/man1/mutagen-pony.1: Permission denied
2336[20:22:53] <sney> though if the bug is "libvirt in buster has x problem virtualizing debian 1.1" then try to be wise about whether it's worth the maintainers' time
2337[20:23:06] <sney> L0aD1nG: /usr/local indicates that's something you installed outside of the debian ecosystem
2338[20:23:40] <nickgaw> ok understand but is testing older releases still something that is done sommetimes?
2339[20:23:54] <greycat> no
2340[20:24:13] <sney> not outside of people's personal labs for curiosity purposes
2341[20:24:20] <L0aD1nG> sney: maybe is that Android studio i had who know i am 99% sure that nothing else was from the outside
2342[20:24:37] <L0aD1nG> s/know/knows
2343[20:25:04] <nickgaw> Why is /tmp on the normal hard drive should it not be a tmpfs filesystem in memory?
2362[20:33:00] <nickgaw> What really needs to be written is a kernel configuration file prober that probes your system and generates a custom kernel configuration file for the user why is this not around yet?
2371[20:34:38] <nickgaw> No I am talking about a kernel that does not need the initrd and just runs on your hardware.
2372[20:34:48] <greycat> nobody does that any more
2373[20:35:07] <L0aD1nG> any clue if there are drivers for hp printers? I am thinking of installing debian on my new desktop and i need the printer...
2374[20:35:13] <nickgaw> true but someone does for debian kernels?
2375[20:35:30] <greycat> initrd is required for disk encryption, among other things, and a LOT more people care about that, than care about saving a few kilobytes of RAM
2377[20:35:50] <somiaj> nickgaw: the module system is very robust and so someone configures a kernel that builds a core kernel and the modules, then loads only the modules that are needed.
2378[20:36:19] <nickgaw> yes I agree on the disk encryption but if I did not set that up if I want to do a custom build that will take a long time.
2380[20:36:40] <L0aD1nG> i mean to the if debian provide some, i searched and saw that hp forwarding you to their own drivers for linux
2381[20:36:41] <somiaj> L0aD1nG: debian contains various 'drivers' for hp printers, but they aren't really drivers, though forget what they are called.
2382[20:36:43] <greycat> you're allowed to do that yourself, if you wish
2399[20:42:21] <L0aD1nG> so when i buy new i will try then
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2401[20:42:40] <nickgaw> I am looking at the System76 laptops and they use another they say better boot loader then grub can it be configured to remember the last system or assign labels you can type into the keyboard to boot an operating system?
2402[20:43:00] <L0aD1nG> somiaj: thats cool i thought you mean that there are no drivers. But its my luck of english i guess
2403[20:43:03] <WoC> Trying to switch from graphical defauls to non-graphical startup, wouldn't that be; systemctl set-default multi-user.target ?
2406[20:44:05] <WoC> For some reason, i'm getting; Failed to set default target: Connection timed out
2407[20:44:25] <L0aD1nG> Debian installation of base system gone well but it wont boot. In the start i got a Reading Error and then with some "magic way" i got a grub error and a grub rescue console
2416[20:47:06] <lwp> L0aD1nG, debian (and thus CUPS) already has support builtin for many many models of HP printers. In my recent experience, it finds the printer by itself, and knows what to do
2427[20:49:56] <greycat> literally what did you TYPE to SEE that output
2428[20:49:57] <somiaj> L0aD1nG: but in linux cups does most of the work for you, and there are often built in ppd files that will work for most printers.
2436[20:50:58] <lwp> L0aD1nG, also starting in buster, CUPS has "driverless printing" for modern printers that can accept .pdf and .jpeg data directly. Works great
2437[20:51:23] <somiaj> greycat: could this be due to you have upgraded your system over the years? But I'm seeing the same thing WoC is
2443[20:52:24] <L0aD1nG> well i cant try nothing right now cause the extensive use of windows (i think) ruined it everything malfunctions and debian which is installed wont even get to grub, i need a new desktop and now we are on a quarantine here in greece nothing is working
2457[20:57:42] <lwp> IOW, if you can run kali from USB, then the basic computer is probably OK, and your problem is either a bad disk drive, or a bad install
2458[20:58:08] <L0aD1nG> actually after the debian failing with grub i turned on freebsd... I wanted to learn freebsd to as much as i can from the past so it was a good time i thought. (freebsd had an error on installation process before even the start up menu) then that got me on freebsd channel and someone there searched my model of motherboard and told me that its an old motherboard that supports only windows vista, xp. Although i
2459[20:58:11] <L0aD1nG> dont know if this is true cause i didnt checked myself and cause i was running windows 7 on it for like 2 years
2475[21:03:36] <L0aD1nG> lwp: i didnt know that, but from what i hear and experience (dont say i know cause i am not a fs expert) its a crappy filesystem just from the fact that the machine "lags" and needs reinstallation i have like 7 years debian on my laptop without reinstallation
2476[21:04:24] <greycat> !debian-live
2477[21:04:24] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. NOT recommended for installing Debian. Live images are available from replaced-url
2478[21:04:44] <greycat> the people in that channel, on that network, may know more about it
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2482[21:05:18] <L0aD1nG> now its the filesystem or generally windows os...? nevermind its such an offtopic conversation
2483[21:06:06] <lwp> L0aD1nG, unless you are talking about re-installing windows, or you need to save some files from that disk, you can just delete that windows filesystem , and use something more reasonable, like ext4
2484[21:06:47] <L0aD1nG> lwp: i told you i have installed debian like my laptop have them install talking about partitioning...
2485[21:07:03] <L0aD1nG> there is no windows at all there right now
2486[21:07:16] <lwp> then what does any windows file system have to do with it ??? you are the one who brings it up ?
2487[21:07:26] <L0aD1nG> grub wont start thats the point
2488[21:07:43] <lwp> did you install into a windows file system ?
2512[21:12:20] <WoC> would explain why freebsd fails
2513[21:13:11] <WoC> easy, but slow way to check for bad blocks, dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null ...
2514[21:13:26] <WoC> assuming sda is your disk
2515[21:13:30] <L0aD1nG> i am so sad from the chances to be true that this hardware guy fooled me and got me a old motherboard that boots only with windows that i didnt check the information which i got from freebsd channel.
2516[21:13:41] <L0aD1nG> freebsd will through a lua error.
2518[21:14:24] <L0aD1nG> reading the freebsd dvd will throw a lua error and start up menu for installation wont even boot, then it will bring you to a console with some basic commands
2519[21:14:39] <lwp> L0aD1nG, I have many very old motherboards around, that still are running various linux installs.
2528[21:18:02] <L0aD1nG> right now at least the last time before the grub rescue console i got a grub error that tells some i386 file is missing
2529[21:18:30] <karlpinc> L0aD1nG: Probably best to use the unoffical installer with non-free firmware included. And, check that you're copying the ISO properly to the boot media.
2532[21:18:38] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See replaced-url
2533[21:18:46] <karlpinc> !firmware images
2534[21:18:46] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
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2536[21:19:56] <L0aD1nG> karlpinc: i have one dvd left (cant buy other from anywhere cause of quarantine) and usb stick as far as i know debian works fine with dd command on a usb
2618[22:00:55] <iPseudo> bryanpendini: thank you sir. I messaged here cause their channel has been unresponsive for quite some time. Thank you for pointing that out though.
2620[22:01:14] <L0aD1nG> now i just reinstalled the youtube-dl and at the end i got the same error from my /var/mail with apt : can't open /usr/local/man/man1/mutagen-pony.1: Permission denied
2713[22:43:23] <somiaj> metbsd: there are lots of ways to backup a debian system, a lot depends on your backup model. Some only back up data and package lists, some backup the whole filesystem.
2726[22:50:17] <Antoine-> Hello, have set up a reverse proxy to access a couple services. I'd like to be able to access these services through the reverse proxy only and not through the actual port they are listening on. How should I do that? Should I look at the services' config or should I do it with iptables or something?
2727[22:50:41] <greycat> configure each service to listen to loopback only
2728[22:50:59] <metbsd> somiaj: i want to backup and restore entire file system including packages and etc files
2737[22:56:38] <somiaj> metbsd: as I said this depends on backup model. Debian can mostly be backuped by making a copy of the file system (though you have to manually make it bootable on the other system). But there are other equally as useful methods.
2738[22:57:02] <metbsd> tell me the name please
2739[22:57:15] <metbsd> backup whole thing and restore whole thing including boot loader
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2741[22:57:52] <greycat> *that* sounds like simple disk mirroring
2742[22:58:09] <metbsd> yes
2743[22:58:14] <metbsd> greycat: that's that
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2745[22:58:41] <somiaj> I personally prefer just copying the file system as opposed to mirroring the full partition table, as I don't have to deal with issues if the disks are different sizes. This just requires manually making the system bootable after the copy.
2746[22:58:58] <somiaj> clonezilla is a popular disk imagining tool, there are others.
2789[23:19:24] <somiaj> L0aD1nG: this is really an XY problem, maybe state your actual problem, what command you typed, and the full output with the errors you are getting. PUt thsi at paste.debian.net
2790[23:19:52] <L0aD1nG> /usr/bin/mandb: can't open /usr/local/man/man1/mutagen-pony.1: Permission denied
2791[23:19:55] <somiaj> also apt-get should not be doing anything with files in /usr/local on a stock debian system.
2792[23:20:02] <L0aD1nG> after installing something at last i get this error
2793[23:20:13] <somiaj> oh I guess, mandb trying to update could use /usr/local.
2794[23:20:24] <somiaj> L0aD1nG: ls -l /usr/local/man/man1/mutagen-pony.1 -- what is the output?
2804[23:24:05] <somiaj> anyways, try 'chmod 644 /usr/local/man/man1/mutagen-pony.1' as that is more what I would expect the permissions of a man file to be.
2816[23:26:12] <L0aD1nG> yea i would like to try this just to see if its fixing the error i know there is no point but the whole error seems strange
2817[23:26:33] <greycat> rwp: usually the Makefile would use the "install" command with an explicit permission mode that would make the umask irrelevant, so... this project most likely has a very poor build/installation system
2820[23:27:08] <somiaj> L0aD1nG: in the future, you should give the output of the command you ran 'apt-get whatever you did', and then the full output of all messages (even if you don't think they are important) and paste it at paste.debian.net. Knowing the actual problem makes support way better.
2822[23:27:22] <rwp> Given the mode -rw------- shown the error mandb: can't open /usr/local/man/man1/mutagen-pony.1: Permission denied makes perfect sense.
2823[23:27:49] <rwp> greycat, Right. But we both know there is a *lot* of bad juju code out there. We see it every day.
2824[23:27:49] <somiaj> but the chmod 644 /that/file should fix this error, you might have other issues from this software you installed in /usr/local
2825[23:28:00] <L0aD1nG> somiaj: okay but there was no other message that seemed to me a problem
2827[23:28:20] <L0aD1nG> i did change the permissions let me reinstall something
2828[23:28:34] <rwp> L0aD1nG, No other message that you have yet seen. The day is still early. Plenty of time to run into more problems later.
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2830[23:28:49] <somiaj> L0aD1nG: there is often information that comes from the output that is useful even you don't htink it is. Like undertanding why you were wanting to change the permsisions on this random file in the first place would have saved time.
2852[23:33:31] <rwp> If so then can fix those all at one time with: find /var/local -type f \( ! -perm -o+r -o ! -perm -g+r -o ! -perm -u+r \) -exec chmod -v a+r {} +
2861[23:35:35] <lenswipe> hey folks - I'm getting a notification that /dev/mapper/debian--vg-root is full. I ran sudo du -sh in / and the largest item in there is /home at 49GB. After that it's /var, at 15GB.
2862[23:36:02] <lenswipe> I believe that /home is a sep partition so that shouldn't be affecting things, leading me to suspect that /var may be the culprit.
2863[23:36:05] <rwp> Then all of them must be readable.
2865[23:36:27] <lenswipe> The problem is that if I go into /var and re-try the command nothing in /var is on it's on big...there's just lots of things at a few MB each that all add up
2866[23:36:32] <lenswipe> anyone have any thoughts?
2889[23:39:50] <L0aD1nG> rwp: your command returns nothing but as i change the permissions on the next file one more appears like the new error just the same and so on
2890[23:40:01] <lenswipe> it says debian-vg free: 0
2891[23:40:05] <rwp> lenswipe, All of those snap partitions makes me think you are running Ubuntu not Debian. :-/
2892[23:40:05] <L0aD1nG> so you are right there are many files
2893[23:40:15] <lenswipe> rwp, no, im running debian - I just installed some snaps
2894[23:40:30] <rwp> lenswipe, Okay. :-)
2895[23:40:42] <lenswipe> things like Remina and some other stuff have to be installed as snaps for some weird reason
2896[23:40:45] <lenswipe> Cura, FreeCAD etc.
2897[23:40:54] <rwp> Since you have 12M available (due to minfree, good) you might try installing ncdu which is a nice tool for looking at where disk space is used.
2898[23:41:01] <rwp> cd / && ncdu -x
2899[23:41:07] <L0aD1nG> ohh no there are 9 files there i can do it one by one
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2904[23:42:10] <lenswipe> rwp, okay, it's showing /usr and /var
2905[23:42:19] <rwp> The other thing you might need to do (at least initially) is to remove large packages that you don't need that are consuming a lot of disk space.
2906[23:42:25] <lenswipe> //usr is clocking in at 9.9 GB
2907[23:42:32] <rwp> For example texlive is huge. For example 0AD (the game) is huge. Things like that.
2908[23:42:32] <lenswipe> and /var 7.0 GB
2909[23:42:45] <lenswipe> yeah, i think i installed texlive at some point, but then uninstalled it
2910[23:42:56] <rwp> On my system /usr is 2.7GB in size. For a comparison. But /usr/share can be very large.
2911[23:43:05] <lenswipe> hmm
2912[23:43:16] <lenswipe> holy hell
2913[23:43:20] <rwp> Is /var in the root partition for you? Yes it is. Try "apt-get clean" and see if that frees up space.
2914[23:43:22] <lenswipe> there's a texlive folder in there
2915[23:43:25] <lenswipe> in /usr/share
2916[23:43:33] <rwp> That will remove cached downloaded deb files. That you probably won't need again.
2917[23:43:34] <lenswipe> f***. I definitely un-installed that.
2931[23:44:56] <rwp> Normally apt will download to the cache the deb files. These build up. It is expected to clean them out periodically. But everything works fine if that is forgotten. Until the disk fills up.
2932[23:45:12] <lenswipe> is that all stuff that's uninstalled?
2935[23:45:22] <rwp> Review that texlive list and see if you still need them. Then purge them off if you don't need them.
2936[23:45:28] <lenswipe> i don't need anything of texlive
2937[23:45:30] <lenswipe> I'm done with it
2938[23:45:32] <rwp> Yes. Those are packages that are still installed.
2939[23:45:36] <lenswipe> damn.
2940[23:45:46] <lenswipe> So, how do i get rid of them? Just pipe that to rm?
2941[23:45:51] <lenswipe> or sudo apt purge whatever?
2942[23:45:57] <rwp> They may be installed in the "rc" state where they are removed but /etc conffiles remain. Those are lint if you are never going to use them and should be "purged".
2943[23:46:14] <rwp> A "purge" removes /etc conffiles that are associated with the package too.
2944[23:46:17] <uniqdom> I'm planning the deploy of a Wordpress site using docker. Should I use "latest" tag or stay at 5.4?
2950[23:46:46] <rwp> By default the idea is that one can remove a package but then re-install it and the /etc conffiles remain making the configuration persistent.
2951[23:47:00] <lenswipe> you should probably stay at 5.4 and then go forward manually unless you enjoy having unpredictable deployments
2952[23:47:17] <lenswipe> rwp, yeah, that makes a lot of sense, but i guess with reference to texlive...less so
2953[23:47:45] <rwp> lenswipe, I highly recommend using the 'etckeeper' package to keep /etc in git version control. Then one can purge without fear because if you ever need something you changed in an /etc conffile then there is always the git version control to go look at to retrieve it from.
2954[23:47:53] <uniqdom> lenswipe: I'm new in wordpress, is there an LTS version?
2956[23:48:16] <lenswipe> uniqdom, not that I'm aware of
2957[23:48:18] <uniqdom> or does the support comes with the latest version only?
2958[23:48:21] <rwp> And of course there is always backup. Because everyone should always have a good backup too. Right? But version control is trivially easier.
2959[23:48:29] <lenswipe> yeah
2960[23:48:41] <lenswipe> uniqdom, i think it's latest version only, but i couldn't swear to that.
2961[23:49:17] <lenswipe> rwp, so, how do i purge off those texlive packages?
2962[23:49:18] <uniqdom> thanks, if somebody can answer that please
2963[23:49:39] <lenswipe> uniqdom, php, or wordpress would be more likely to know
2964[23:49:58] <lenswipe> #wordpress, even
2965[23:50:33] <rwp> lenswipe, dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/{print$2}' would give a list. Upon careful review if that is what you want then: apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/{print$2}') would purge that list. Double check my commands since I am just typing them in from the top of my head.
2966[23:50:35] <lenswipe> uniqdom, if you're new to wordpress, be very (AND I MEAN VERY) conservative with the plugins you install
2976[23:53:23] <rwp> lenswipe, 28G is a good size for the root file system. I am surprised you filled it. But if, for example, /var/lib/libvirt is a big disk use (it is for me) then you might relocate it on /home (via symlinks or bind mounts or whatever) and use some of the space on /home for it.
2977[23:53:53] <lenswipe> well, I have texlive-fonts-extra installed
2978[23:53:55] <lenswipe> among other things
2979[23:54:00] <rwp> haha
2980[23:54:13] <lenswipe> that's like the node_modules of document preparation
2981[23:54:21] <rwp> That was just a lucky guess on my part. Since as you might guess I have hit that before. :-)
2989[23:55:42] <rwp> Something that someone in the channel might know that I do not: How to sort installed packages by installed disk usage? That would be useful.
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