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• 2[00:00:37] <trek00> Hatter__: it should be something like: deb replaced-url
• 3[00:00:53] <pagetelegram> Evening here: I started a debian server for communications for and around support of a homeless project in my town; I setup a jitsu server recently for meetings; now I need a referral for a low overhead community driven information system were folks can report on meetings and happenings across all the encampments. Any suggested ideas for such a server program? I shy away from any database stuff though. So something
• 4[00:00:53] <pagetelegram> that stores info as text then php-lates into html upon access would be preferred. Thanks
• 5[00:01:00] <Hatter__> I think jessie is in archvie now
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• 7[00:01:22] <trek00> Hatter__: and deb replaced-url
• 8[00:01:33] <ritalinona> I could be doing this wrong but I tried to verify "debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso" with both SHA512SUMS.sign and SHA256SUMS.sign and while it returned - good signature - when verifying the .sign and the related file, it returned bad signature for the iso
• 9[00:01:53] <trek00> Hatter__: sorry probably i don't understand, you want to update jessie packages or to upgrade from jessie to stretch?
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• 11[00:02:09] <Hatter__> just not sure what the security section in apt should look like, I thought it was this : deb replaced-url
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• 14[00:02:35] <Hatter__> trek00, getting jessie up to date before upgrading to stretch
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• 17[00:03:49] <trek00> Hatter__: for jessie deb replaced-url
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• 20[00:04:26] <trek00> Hatter__: archive is for releases older than jessie
• 21[00:04:26] <Hatter__> trek00, ok thx, sorry I wasn't clear
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• 30[00:05:56] <trek00> ritalinona: may be you don't have the keyrings that signed the iso?
• 31[00:07:52] <ritalinona> when I went to get the key given from verifying sha512sums.sign and sha512sums, I did: gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv [key given from mention step]
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• 43[00:14:02] <trek00> ritalinona: the key should be F41D30342F3546695F65C66942468F4009EA8AC3
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• 47[00:15:59] <ritalinona> yes I get that when I do: gpg --verify SHA256SUMS.sign SHA256SUMS
• 48[00:17:17] <trek00> ritalinona: verification is failed because unknown key or bad signature?
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• 52[00:20:51] <ritalinona> no I dont get that any more because I imported the signature used in SHA512SUMS.sign: gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv F41D30342F3546695F65C66942468F4009EA8AC3
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• 57[00:23:31] <trek00> ritalinona: well it should print Good signature from "Debian Testing CDs Automatic Signing Key <debian-cd@lists.debian.org>"
• 58[00:24:44] <ritalinona> when I verify after import I get: Good signature from "Debian Testing CDs Automatic Signing Key <debian-cd@lists.debian.org>" [unknown]
• 59[00:25:03] <nowifi> Hello! It seems, as netinstaller warned me, i am missing my wifi cards drivers- can somebody help me install them or guide me to a fix?
• 60[00:25:16] <ritalinona> When I do: gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso I get: gpg: BAD signature from "Debian Testing CDs Automatic Signing Key <debian-cd@lists.debian.org>" [unknown]
• 61[00:25:40] <dvs> !tell nowifi to firmware iso
• 62[00:26:00] <dvs> !tell nowifi about firmware iso
• 63[00:26:17] <trek00> ritalinona: you need to do: gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS
• 64[00:26:44] <ritalinona> yes that what I did before verifying debian
• 65[00:26:49] <trek00> ritalinona: it's ok
• 66[00:27:01] <trek00> ritalinona: you check the signature for the SHA512SUM file
• 67[00:27:17] <nowifi> do i need to reinstall for it to work?!
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• 72[00:27:57] <trek00> ritalinona: if this file is ok, then you can sha512sum -c SHA512SUM
• 73[00:28:29] <dvs> nowifi, it it's already installed then you just need to add the non-free repo
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• 76[00:29:12] <nowifi> into apt update && upgrade?
• 77[00:29:19] <dvs> oh I guess you'd have to install the packages manually if you can't connect to the Internet
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• 79[00:29:35] <nowifi> No, Lan seems to be working for some reason
• 80[00:29:39] <nowifi> Just wifi wont
• 81[00:29:45] <dvs> !non-free
• 82[00:29:45] <dpkg> [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>.
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• 84[00:29:57] <dvs> non-free list
• 85[00:30:03] <dvs> !non-free list
• 86[00:30:03] <dpkg> To see a list of <non-free> and <contrib> packages installed on your system, run «aptitude search '~i?or(~scontrib,~snon-free)'». See also <aptitude search>.
• 87[00:30:43] <dvs> bah! Just all "contrib non-free" to the end of the entries in /etc/apt/sources.list
• 88[00:31:06] <nowifi> K, thx
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• 90[00:32:19] <trek00> nowifi: once you added contrib non-free to your /etc/apt/sources.list you need to apt update and then find your firmware
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• 92[00:33:00] <nowifi> Ye, figured that much, it sure wont autodetect that ill need it
• 93[00:33:19] <trek00> nowifi: with lspci you should be able to find the exact model of your wifi adapter, tell us the name and we can find the right firmware package
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• 95[00:34:14] <trek00> ritalinona: ask if something is unclear
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• 97[00:34:24] <Hatter__> trek00, thx (wasn't sure if i thanked you before!)
• 98[00:34:48] <trek00> Hatter__: good :)
• 99[00:34:54] <nowifi> Fuck, i need to add myself later to sudo
• 100[00:35:09] <nowifi> su is just entering su mode right
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• 102[00:35:31] <nowifi> stupid question when i can just test it in terminal haha
• 103[00:35:32] <nowifi> sry
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• 110[00:37:42] <nowifi> 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 (rev 3e)is this what im looking for?
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• 113[00:38:28] <nowifi> Or communication controller
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• 117[00:39:41] <trek00> nowifi: there is no wireless card shown?
• 118[00:40:14] <trek00> nowifi: well it's ok
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• 121[00:40:41] <trek00> nowifi: you should apt install firmware-iwlwifi
• 122[00:41:01] <nowifi> replaced-url
• 123[00:41:04] <nowifi> Oh lmao
• 124[00:41:07] <nowifi> Yep, thx
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• 127[00:41:56] <nowifi> Ive distrohopped some across deb derviatives and manjaro and know some of the works
• 128[00:41:57] <trek00> nowifi: yes this is the right guide
• 129[00:42:00] <nowifi> Thx
• 130[00:42:06] <trek00> :)
• 131[00:42:25] <nowifi> Just want to get to sid asap haha
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• 133[00:43:10] <nowifi> So changing the source soon enough again
• 134[00:43:20] <trek00> nowifi: debian works better with stable release, testing may break sometimes, sid is hard to get working fine
• 135[00:43:22] <nowifi> Maybe will have questions to the best practices advised
• 136[00:43:39] <timothywcrane> Deb10 with KDE + added & GDM configured. Would love to have my KDE background be an exact match of Gnome GDM login theme. Looking around //usr/share/gdm for base materials... none found. Where might these be avail?
• 137[00:43:59] <nowifi> Ye, i read that testing might also be broken for months and doesnt get the same speed of security updates as stable or sid?
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• 139[00:44:33] <trek00> nowifi: sid is really bad for normal usage, any package is allowed to be in a broken state
• 140[00:44:34] <nowifi> Whats the best compromise between stability and not-dinosaur-packageversions for a semi-noob like me?
• 141[00:44:50] <trek00> nowifi: stable release with backports
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• 143[00:45:26] <nowifi> Ye, but kde will never get backported and i kinda want shiny
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• 145[00:46:28] <nowifi> Is the security risk of testing as high as its written about?
• 146[00:46:45] <trek00> timothywcrane: may be one of those files? /usr/share/pixmaps/gdm*
• 147[00:46:47] <nowifi> Cause apart from that it kinda sounds like a good solution for me
• 148[00:47:15] <trek00> nowifi: i don't know
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• 152[00:48:01] <nowifi> I think ill go with testing, sid might be too much to chew off for me
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• 154[00:48:13] <trek00> nowifi: debian systems are made to have better stability, so your apps will not break at each update
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• 156[00:49:01] <trek00> nowifi: this is the opposite of the rolling distro like arch, which instead is made to have always the most recent version of the apps
• 157[00:49:07] <nowifi> Ye, i know, even sid will lag majorly behind such arch
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• 159[00:49:14] <nowifi> *such as
• 160[00:49:20] <nowifi> Yeye, thx :)
• 161[00:49:49] <trek00> :)
• 162[00:49:54] <__0x0000ff> Hello there. I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I've been trying to compile and install the latest kernel relaese.
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• 164[00:49:59] <nowifi> I can relog for the drivers to start working, right?
• 165[00:50:01] <__0x0000ff> The modules aren't showing up
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• 167[00:50:19] <trek00> __0x0000ff: how you installed it?
• 168[00:50:49] <trek00> nowifi: yes, if not try to reboot
• 169[00:51:02] <nowifi> Kk, brb
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• 172[00:52:57] <trek00> __0x0000ff: if you created a debian package of your kernel with make deb-pkg, then your modules should be in the right place
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• 175[00:53:02] <yeswifi> It worked ^^
• 176[00:53:07] <trek00> good :)
• 177[00:53:12] <yeswifi> (after reboot, unfortunately=
• 178[00:53:14] <__0x0000ff> <trek00> wait one moment. I might be on to something...
• 179[00:53:14] <yeswifi> )
• 180[00:53:18] <timothywcrane> Found the KDE defaults in /usr/share/images/desktop-base... and /usr/share/plymouth... moving on
• 181[00:53:21] <__0x0000ff> Thanks
• 182[00:53:43] <yeswifi> Here i go changing the sources again, thanks for the boost and advice :)
• 183[00:54:30] <trek00> :)
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• 185[00:54:44] <__0x0000ff> Ok I've typed in 'make modules_install'. That seems to be doing the trick.
• 186[00:55:11] <__0x0000ff> I'm testing this out cause I want to make another kernel for my tablet to boot off of.
• 187[00:55:21] <trek00> __0x0000ff: this is not the correct "debian" way, because the package manager does not know anything about your new kernel
• 188[00:55:35] <trek00> __0x0000ff: if you build your kernel with: make deb-pkg
• 189[00:56:02] <trek00> __0x0000ff: then it will create .deb package for you that you can install with dpkg -i (and uninstall later when you want)
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• 193[00:57:35] <__0x0000ff> <trek00> Will do, but I wanna make some kernels for my tablet's distro as well.
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• 197[00:57:58] <trek00> __0x0000ff: it's just to leave your system in a cleaner state
• 198[00:58:10] <__0x0000ff> Of course.
• 199[00:58:19] <__0x0000ff> Thx
• 200[00:58:22] <trek00> :)
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• 205[01:00:26] <Wanker> Debian is the most based distro.
• 206[01:00:28] <Wanker> Prove me wrong.
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• 224[01:11:45] <Gerowen> ratrace: With regard to what I was asking about earlier, hiding the verbose boot output, I found what I needed; the "splash" kernel parameter. "quiet" was already there, but it was still staying at the all text output for the LUKS password prompt unless I pressed Esc or Ins. Adding the "splash" kernel parameter makes it, after OS selection, transition to a graphical screen with the Debian logo for the password prompt, so much nicer looking.
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• 226[01:12:23] <yeswifi> Disconnected, if someone answered pls repeat
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• 229[01:14:44] <annadane> hmm i don't think anyone did answer
• 230[01:16:17] <dvs> answer what?
• 231[01:16:40] <annadane> yeswifi's queries
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• 234[01:18:35] <ratrace> Gerowen: that's not what you originally asked for, but okay.
• 235[01:18:55] <yeswifi> Oh well, the netinstall is fresh, might as well learn it by doing
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• 237[01:20:16] <yeswifi> Btw is there a reason i can nowhere find iso torrents?
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• 240[01:20:46] <dvs> yeswifi, torrents are in the same place as the normail isos
• 241[01:20:58] <dvs> normal
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• 243[01:21:49] <yeswifi> Ye, i mean the firmware ones
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• 245[01:22:25] <yeswifi> Im downloading it so i dont have the hassle of sticking to my lan cable while im installing
• 246[01:22:51] <dvs> the firmware ones have them too
• 247[01:23:52] <Gerowen> ratrace: Apologies then if I wasn't clear; but my goal was after OS selection to have the prettier graphical password entry box for decrypting my LUKS/LVM boot drive.
• 248[01:23:59] <yeswifi> Oh, i looked in iso-hybrid forgetting about bt
• 249[01:24:28] <yeswifi> But tbh compared to other linux debians downloads structure is unintuitive and ugly
• 250[01:24:56] <dvs> makes sense to me
• 251[01:26:00] <yeswifi> Debian is literally older than me, did they never change the site or what haha
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• 253[01:27:35] <timothywcrane> went through all gdm3 files of installation, still no clue. (looking for default gdm3 background location for desktop cloning)
• 254[01:28:30] <timothywcrane> cloning as in copy and reuse... nothing funny implied
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• 295[01:47:34] <usr01234321eq111> hi
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• 297[01:47:55] <lestac> hello usr012345321eq111 ! how are u ?
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• 299[01:49:09] <usr01234321eq111> how may i could create a wifi hotspot in buster i386?
• 300[01:49:39] <usr01234321eq111> sorry 4 my bad english
• 301[01:50:15] <ratrace> usr01234321eq111: with hostapd package and service. see this wiki for some hints: replaced-url
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• 304[01:51:05] <usr01234321eq111> and give power to my wifi card?
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• 309[01:52:23] <InvisibleRasta> guys is this a reliable source? i want to try to install pantheon but i dont know if this is the most reliable one atm replaced-url
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• 313[01:54:50] <usr01234321eq111> @InvisibleRasta 1) What version you're using actually?; 2) What do you mean by "one atm"?
• 314[01:55:03] <InvisibleRasta> i am on buster usr01234321eq111
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• 316[01:55:35] <usr01234321eq111> @InvisibleRasta Use at your risk.
• 317[01:56:14] <usr01234321eq111> Why do you even need tor here?
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• 319[01:56:26] <usr01234321eq111> I don't get it.
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• 322[01:58:59] <InvisibleRasta> aigh
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• 324[01:59:03] <InvisibleRasta> better not take the risk
• 325[01:59:40] <cybercrypto> , tor
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• 327[02:00:10] <cybercrypto> InvisibleRasta: what kind of risk are you mitigating?
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• 339[02:05:24] <usr01234321eq111> I mean, I read that someone used Tor for connecting. But as I read, it slows down your speed net.
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• 341[02:05:48] <Gryllida> by how much?
• 342[02:06:02] <partitionhow> Hello! Im installing debian kde rn and in order to use testing with best practices im trying to create a btrfs system. A couple questions- Is mount point / ? Do i need flags?
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• 345[02:06:38] <usr01234321eq111> IDK
• 346[02:07:12] <cybercrypto> I am using tor rigth now. Yes. speed rates are impacted if you want to go for that.
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• 348[02:07:52] <cybercrypto> usr01234321eq111: for irc chat, i dont see speed impacts are relevant.
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• 350[02:08:53] <usr01234321eq111> @cybercrypto Speak for you ;) Sadly, not mine case. Anyway.
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• 352[02:09:39] <usr01234321eq111> Hum... I have an off-topic question.
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• 356[02:10:36] <usr01234321eq111> I'm not gonna be banned if I ask it?
• 357[02:10:51] <sponix> usr01234321eq111: hard to tell until you do
• 358[02:11:19] <sponix> there is a #debian-offtopic though
• 359[02:11:31] <sponix> seems like a likely place for such
• 360[02:11:40] <usr01234321eq111> Well, here I go: Here is someone that speaks Spanish?
• 361[02:11:55] <cybercrypto> usr01234321eq111: I am always speaking for myself.
• 362[02:12:34] <usr01234321eq111> @sponix You're right haha. Or no. Who knows.
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• 364[02:13:20] <sponix> usr01234321eq111: I can translate your gibberish using replaced-url
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• 366[02:14:08] <annadane> como usar kali linux por favor
• 367[02:14:33] <annadane> jajaja
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• 369[02:14:50] <sponix> ./kick annadane
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• 371[02:14:59] <sponix> lol
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• 375[02:17:46] <usr01234321eq111> Why?
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• 384[02:22:25] <f-a> I would like to run teamviewer. They have .deb packages available but since it's not free software I would really like not to install it and give it root privileges. What is the most sensible option? a virtual box?
• 385[02:22:34] <partitionhow> Can somebody help me partition my debian into / and swap on a to-be btrfs system or link me a guide
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• 391[02:23:51] <cybercrypto> partitionhow: try this: wiki.debian.org/Btrfs
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• 395[02:25:08] <usr01234321eq111> Why all the times I ran namebench it says: "None of the [X] nameservers are healthy"
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• 398[02:25:40] <cybercrypto> partitionhow: another good doc source: wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Btrfs
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• 400[02:25:47] <usr01234321eq111> I want to speed up the speed of my net.
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• 405[02:30:55] <partitionhow> cybercrypto i kinda read both but i still dont get how i'd go about partitioning into /, /home and swap
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• 407[02:31:21] <usr01234321eq111> Sorry, It's not bad English. Before a strong hit on the left side onf my head I've been haveing troubles of all kind.
• 408[02:32:01] <Gryllida> did you get an ct scan or an mri?
• 409[02:32:37] <usr01234321eq111> It doesn't matter. This cannel is not for that. Bye.
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• 444[02:53:57] <cybercrypto> partitionhow: you facing an error, or you need guidance to understand concepts?
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• 471[03:09:42] <gkwhc> Hi all, it seems like debian is not detecting touchpad on my laptop. I don't see anything in dmesg. Xinput says only virtual core xtest pointer. What should I do?
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• 474[03:11:01] <jadax> I installed pulseaudio-equalizer but can't figure out how to open up the userspace app
• 475[03:11:24] <jadax> tried with qpaeq but that won't start "There was an error connecting to pulseaudio, please make sure you have the pulseaudio dbus module loaded, exiting..."
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• 478[03:12:43] <jadax> do I need to install some front end separately?
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• 487[03:20:09] <lyind> hi, i want to build only a certain .deb file from a large package (like grub2). is there a way to limit what gets build?
• 488[03:21:50] <dondelelcaro> lyind: not normally.
• 489[03:22:17] <lyind> dondelelcaro: i did make some progress using dpkg-buildpackage --target=build/xyz,install/xyz but the final .deb file wasn't created.
• 490[03:22:17] <dondelelcaro> lyind: some packages have that ability, but it's fairly rare. You're usually just better off building them all
• 491[03:22:34] <lyind> dondelelcaro: ok. accepted. thank you!
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• 680[06:02:42] <sharp15> is debain still usually wipe and reinstall instead of upgrade in place? (i.e. stretch (debian-9) to buster (debian-10))
• 681[06:03:50] <annadane> no, it's up to you but many people upgrade in place
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• 683[06:03:53] <annadane> !buster release notes
• 684[06:03:54] <dpkg> The release notes for Debian 10 "Buster" are at replaced-url
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• 687[06:05:14] <annadane> it's supposed to be one of the strengths of debian, proper upgrade paths
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• 689[06:05:51] <annadane> (especially due to the 3 branches and freeze of testing before a stable release to work out issues)
• 690[06:05:56] <sharp15> annadane: i know. but i've had problems here in the past. i use gentoo on most of my machines as a consequence. it just takes too long to install for some things.
• 691[06:06:38] <sharp15> annadane: ty. for the install manual link. i missed it when looking at the page the first time.
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• 695[06:08:42] <sharp15> any idea if aptcacher can operate in the middle of that update?
• 696[06:08:51] <annadane> don't know
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• 698[06:09:23] <sharp15> ok. ty.
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• 700[06:13:46] <annadane> god i want debian 11 to get here. :P xfce's really showing its age
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• 712[06:21:19] <FSF-GNU-Fan> @annadane xfce is great esp for low spec systems but you can always go KDE Plasma or one of the other DEs
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• 715[06:21:41] <FSF-GNU-Fan> KDE is seriously amazing esp with mouse gestures
• 716[06:21:53] <annadane> yeah, i know. i just haven't found anything else that i like
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• 721[06:23:16] <FSF-GNU-Fan> @annadane sounds like you can use lockdown time for DE exploration time.
• 722[06:23:31] <annadane> i've already used just about everything else
• 723[06:23:42] <annadane> xfce is still superior to anything else per my personal preference
• 724[06:24:10] <adikt> wrong
• 725[06:24:28] <FSF-GNU-Fan> better start loving the xfce look then lol.
• 726[06:24:50] <annadane> mate is ok
• 727[06:25:00] <annadane> if i ever get really sick of xfce i'll switch to that
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• 738[06:32:36] <annadane> to be fair xfce is really form over function
• 739[06:32:47] <annadane> you can rice it but i'm not sure that's the intended purpose
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• 741[06:32:52] <annadane> sorry, function over form
• 742[06:33:40] <sharp15> anyone here setup a gentoo hosted apt-cacher-ng proxy for multiple debian client machines?
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• 756[06:54:29] <Gerowen> Anybody else notice you can't move/pan the map in Gnome Maps? Something to do with running Wayland?
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• 762[07:00:55] <somiaj> Gerowen: is this on maps.google.com or some other site using the google maps api?
• 763[07:02:38] <Gerowen> No it's Gnome Maps, the Gnome application that pulls from Openstreemap
• 764[07:03:27] <Gerowen> It's not a huge deal, Openstreetmap works fine on the website, just was messing with the "Gnome Maps" application and noticed that while I can use the keyboard shortcuts, actually clicking on the interface doesn't do anything most of the time.
• 765[07:03:43] <Gerowen> And I remember using it I think in Debian 9 and it worked fine, so I thought it was something to do with Wayland.
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• 769[07:08:01] <somiaj> oh sorry, gnome maps, hmm I woudl be surprised this doesn't work with waylend. Are you running stable? Maybe check for bug reports
• 770[07:08:11] <somiaj> I know sometimes you have to hold shift or some key to interact with the maps
• 771[07:09:31] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 772[07:09:57] <somiaj> that bug report says it is due to clutter, are you running clutter? Or some other app that could be getting in the way of the events? Seems for most people it works, but some experience a similar issue
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• 777[07:14:42] <ryouma> do you mean unclutter?
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• 779[07:15:33] <somiaj> I'm just quoting the bugreport, they just call it clutter.
• 780[07:16:07] <somiaj> But it sounds like it could be due to something else interacting with waylend stopping events, so it isn't directly waylend, but something else (From that bug report)
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• 784[07:19:16] <Gerowen> Nah not running clutter/unclutter or anything.
• 785[07:19:30] <Gerowen> I can click and hold and the mouse icon changes appropriately, but doesn't actually let me pan the map around.
• 786[07:19:48] <Gerowen> I'll do some searching and see what I can find though, but for now I've gotta go to bed, gotta be up for work in about 5 hours.
• 787[07:21:29] <Gerowen> Ah, according to this, Clutter is a core part of Gnome 3 and is used by Gnome Shell, which I am using: replaced-url
• 788[07:23:18] <Gerowen> Issue appears related to rgb10 support. Launching the application with this command fixes the issue: allow_rgb10_configs=false gnome-maps
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• 799[07:38:38] <InvisibleRasta> uhm my laptop fan has been gooing onand off nonstop... noclue how i can fix this.. its happening only on debian
• 800[07:38:43] <InvisibleRasta> what could it be
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• 831[08:11:41] <SwordOfLife> hi
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• 833[08:11:50] <SwordOfLife> replaced-url
• 834[08:11:54] <SwordOfLife> ^^^^^^^^
• 835[08:12:06] <SwordOfLife> i want an alternative to LinuxMint, that allows me to feel safe. and more importantly to actually BE safe.
• 836[08:12:14] <SwordOfLife> i want to avoid systemd, if possible. OpenBSD is probably the "best". but im willing to compromise SLIGHTLY in return for compatibility, performance, user friendliness, etc. what are my options? any advice?
• 837[08:12:38] <nkuttler> SwordOfLife: go to ##linux
• 838[08:12:47] <SwordOfLife> nkuttler: kay.
• 839[08:12:55] <SwordOfLife> check out the vid guys. its hillarious
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• 851[08:24:45] <Surfer2011> hello, i used those as presseeds.cfg and i'm trying to boot/install debian headless from a usb stick. i get stuck at choosing the installation language, so what did i do wrong in this preseed file? replaced-url
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• 860[08:28:31] <saran> While installing mpv using apt, it also installs python2.7. I would like to know is python2.7 is an essential dependency for mpv and is it safe to remove python2.7 in debian 10.
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• 862[08:30:27] <partitionhow> Hello! Can somebody help me partition my to-be-btrfs system with a root and swap partitions or link me a guide?
• 863[08:30:41] <rudi_s> saran: If it's an essential dependency apt won't permit you removing it. So just try to remove it and see if apt suggests removing mpv (or other programs you like).
• 864[08:30:59] <rudi_s> It could be pulled in as dependency of e.g. youtube-dl or other recommended dependencies.
• 865[08:32:00] <saran> rudi_s: Thank you.
• 866[08:32:18] <rudi_s> np
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• 869[08:32:44] <rudi_s> But there are still quite a few programs in Buster which depend on python2.
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• 873[08:35:26] <saran> rudi_s: I am not yet installed the mpv and python2.7. I am considering installing with mpv-git and youtube-dl with pip3.
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• 880[08:39:58] <rudi_s> saran: If you're using pip then it will most likely install the required dependencies on its own (which is a separate issue) and you don't have to worry about debian dependencies (at least most of the time).
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• 883[08:44:39] <watom> saran uhm mpv doesn't require python. if you install rec packages it will require you python3 o.o
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• 888[08:46:41] <jelly> judd, why mpv python2.7
• 889[08:47:00] <judd> Packages mpv and python2.7 in buster/amd64 are linked by 2 chains: mpv ▶ libsmbclient ▶ samba-libs ▶ python-talloc ▶ python ▶ python2.7; mpv ▶ libsmbclient ▶ samba-libs ▶ python-talloc ▶ python ▶ python2 ▶ python2.7
• 890[08:47:06] <watom> also python 2 is in debian default install if you don't remove standard utilities
• 891[08:47:19] <jelly> is it?
• 892[08:47:23] <watom> yes
• 893[08:47:34] <jelly> I don't think I got it installed in Debian 10
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• 895[08:47:44] <watom> you removed standard utilities in debian installer
• 896[08:47:49] <jelly> maybe with task-standard, certainly not with base
• 897[08:47:56] <watom> task-standard is default
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• 900[08:49:05] <jelly> judd, why mpv python3
• 901[08:49:18] <judd> Packages mpv and python3 in buster/amd64 are linked by 3 chains: mpv ▷ youtube-dl ▶ python3; mpv ▷ youtube-dl ▶ python3-pkg-resources ▶ python3; mpv ▷ youtube-dl ▷ python3-pyxattr ▶ python3
• 902[08:49:32] <watom> okay there is python2 in mpv. it's deep dependency :d
• 903[08:50:26] <jelly> ▶ are Depends, ▷ are Recommends
• 904[08:50:44] <partitionhow> Hello! Can somebody help me partition my to-be-btrfs system with a root and swap partitions or link me a guide?
• 905[08:52:07] <watom> uhm probably the python2 will go away with next version since samba-libs doesn't use it anymore
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• 907[08:53:12] <watom> can you check a package on bullseye?
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• 910[08:54:20] <themill> ,why mpv python2.7 --release sid
• 911[08:54:33] <judd> No dependency chain found between packages mpv and python2.7 in sid/amd64.
• 912[08:54:57] <themill> About 60% of the python2 removal is done. The remaining 60% will take at least 90% of the time.
• 913[08:54:59] <saran> watom: I installed debian10 minimal iso and I would like to keep minimum packages as possible. Is there a way to install only the required package like mpv and it most important dependecies alone by leaving python2.7 and youtube-dl.
• 914[08:55:13] <watom> nope. python2.7 is hard dependency
• 915[08:55:14] <watom> since samba
• 916[08:55:32] <watom> i don't know if you can exclude it. and if mpv will not break
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• 918[08:55:56] <themill> you can't exclude packages that are in Depends
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• 921[08:57:35] <saran> Could you suggest any video player in debian 10 which might not depend on python2.7. I checked mplayer and vlc but both depends on python2.7 in debian 10.
• 922[08:57:49] <watom> you just use python 2 in debian 10
• 923[08:57:52] <watom> wait for debian 11
• 924[08:58:16] <themill> saran: what's the actual problem that you're trying to fix
• 925[08:58:57] <themill> An allergy to the number 2.7 is not something #debian can help with
• 926[08:58:58] <hata> does smplayer require python?
• 927[08:59:17] <watom> ,,why smplayer python
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• 930[08:59:44] <hata> it's not in the official repo
• 931[08:59:54] <watom> ,why smplayer python
• 932[08:59:55] <jelly> ,v smplayer
• 933[09:00:00] <saran> themill: I have python3.7 is installed and I would like to keep python2.7 away but installing mpv, mplayer and vlc requires it.
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• 935[09:00:07] <judd> Packages smplayer and python in buster/amd64 are linked by 1 chains: smplayer ▶ mpv ▶ libsmbclient ▶ samba-libs ▶ python-talloc ▶ python
• 936[09:00:08] <judd> Package: smplayer on amd64 -- jessie: 14.9.0~ds0-1; stretch: 16.11.0~ds0-1+deb9u1; buster: 18.10.0~ds0-1; bullseye: 19.10.2~ds0-1; sid: 19.10.2~ds0-1
• 937[09:00:16] <themill> saran: that's not an actual problem
• 938[09:00:25] <watom> wait what. smplayer use mpv? so of course it does
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• 940[09:00:36] <jelly> saran, that's not going to happen in Debian 10. If that is your requirement, use testing (and deal with all the issues testing branch has)
• 941[09:00:40] <hata> smplayer uses mpv? heh
• 942[09:00:48] <partitionhow> Does this partitioning look right to anyone: i.imgur.com/gGCOm9g.png
• 943[09:01:11] <themill> saran: if you choose a binary distribution then you will have packages installed that you don't use. That's how it is. If you don't like that, you don't use a binary distribution.
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• 945[09:01:18] <hata> did you say you wanted swap partitionhow ?
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• 948[09:01:32] <partitionhow> Yes, i want a root, swap and home
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• 950[09:01:45] <partitionhow> In the screenshot the 4 Gb ext4 one is swap
• 951[09:01:56] <hata> that'll need to be swap, not ext4
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• 953[09:02:00] <no_gravity> What is a good and simple image viewer in the Debian repos?
• 954[09:02:27] <saran> no_gravity: sxiv
• 955[09:02:35] <partitionhow> Oh, true, now it correctly doesnt show mont point option, thx
• 956[09:02:47] <hata> np
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• 961[09:05:07] <no_gravity> saran: Hmm.. I am trying it now .. I did "sxiv 1.png 2.png" and now I wonder how to go from the first image to the second.
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• 964[09:05:52] <saran> no_gravity: press 'n' for next and 'p' for previous.
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• 966[09:06:12] <no_gravity> saran: Great! Thanks!
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• 975[09:09:58] <saran> no_gravity: np
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• 980[09:13:02] <partitionhow> After trying to continue with install it also says i should create a boot partition since debian needs efi, i'd like to keep the partitions number to a minimum since im new to this- can i in some way circumvent the need for it?
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• 983[09:14:18] <hata> with gpt you can have any number of partitions I believe
• 984[09:14:25] <hata> I would just make a partition for boot
• 985[09:14:31] <jelly> partitionhow, debian does not need efi, it can install and boot from legacy bios as well
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• 988[09:15:02] <jelly> the installer however detects EFI and uses that if present
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• 992[09:17:16] <partitionhow> Ye, i used gpt
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• 995[09:18:17] <hata> well you have two options then
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• 1011[09:22:11] <partitionhow> Guess ill just create a boot partition- Do they need to be in any particular order apart from root first?
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• 1013[09:22:38] <hata> order doesn't affect anything as far as I'm aware
• 1014[09:22:49] <partitionhow> Oh, kk
• 1015[09:23:11] <partitionhow> Whats the recommended size for boot?
• 1016[09:23:19] <partitionhow> I kinda looked up the others
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• 1018[09:23:46] <hata> boot can be pretty small, I'm not sure on the exact size
• 1019[09:24:08] <hata> 500MB should be plenty big
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• 1023[09:24:37] <partitionhow> replaced-url
• 1024[09:24:50] <partitionhow> Thanks!
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• 1026[09:25:08] <hata> no problem
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• 1049[09:36:00] <Surfer2011> hello, i used those as presseeds.cfg and i'm trying to boot/install debian headless from a usb stick. i get stuck at choosing the installation language, so what did i do wrong in this preseed file? replaced-url
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• 1077[09:55:30] <watom> Surfer2011 what do you mean? how you know you are stuck there?
• 1078[09:55:33] <watom> sounds not headless at all
• 1079[09:55:50] <watom> you are testing your headless installer with a monitor connected?
• 1080[09:56:03] <Surfer2011> well on my test device i do have a screen and keyboard to check if it works
• 1081[09:56:11] <watom> so what does it happen
• 1082[09:56:16] <watom> you get the language prompt?
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• 1084[09:56:46] <Surfer2011> yes to choose the language
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• 1086[09:58:01] <watom> idk you need to show some output
• 1087[09:58:10] <watom> like "make image" output i think
• 1088[09:58:17] <watom> to check if something went wrong
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• 1090[09:58:49] <ws2k3> any way to get the amount of lines in a file quickly? wc -l is taking forever. but the file is 127 gb
• 1091[09:59:02] <watom> also i'm surprised there is no official debian way to do that?
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• 1093[09:59:40] <watom> replaced-url
• 1094[09:59:44] <jm_> Surfer2011: have you checked tty3/4 to see if it gives more info there?
• 1095[10:00:09] <jm_> ws2k3: obviously one needs to read the entire file to count the lines so ...
• 1096[10:00:15] <watom> Surfer2011 replaced-url
• 1097[10:00:38] <Surfer2011> jm: what is tty3/4 ?
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• 1103[10:01:24] <jm_> Surfer2011: virtual console 3/4, that's where d-i shows some details
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• 1108[10:02:59] <Surfer2011> so i should open this on the testing device?
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• 1110[10:03:37] <jm_> when you boot d-i with your preseed setup, switch to tty 3/4 when you get the prompt and see if it gives any clues
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• 1112[10:04:32] <Surfer2011> how do i switch?
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• 1117[10:07:13] <jm_> ctrl-alt-f3/f4/f1/...
• 1118[10:07:31] <jm_> right/left cursor key should also work
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• 1139[10:28:40] <wrksx> Mornin guys
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• 1144[10:29:48] <wrksx> Do you know if it's possible to have a lower time interval / resolution for atop replays?
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• 1147[10:30:57] <wrksx> It's using 10 minutes intervals by default and i'd like to lower that.
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• 1156[10:35:22] <jm_> man page says default is 10 seconds and 'i' key is there to change it
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• 1172[10:43:33] <partitionhow> Hello! After trying to install with described partitions and walking off the installation for a bit i was greeted by this failed installation: replaced-url
• 1173[10:43:37] <partitionhow> Can somebody help?
• 1174[10:45:23] <jm_> so you're not using debina stable to install?
• 1175[10:45:28] <jm_> debian*
• 1176[10:45:45] <partitionhow> I used debian firmware kde live iso
• 1177[10:46:03] <jm_> sorry wrong window
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• 1179[10:46:27] <partitionhow> Oh, kk
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• 1182[10:48:10] <jelly> partitionhow, live image does not deal with all situations, use an actual installer image
• 1183[10:48:28] <jelly> !firmware images
• 1184[10:48:29] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
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• 1187[10:49:21] <partitionhow> Kk, thx
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• 1192[10:51:46] <partitionhow> Can somebody suggest me a good irc app so i can ask questions in netinstall in case i need some help
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• 1195[10:52:18] <jm_> any tty based IRC client will do
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• 1197[10:53:45] <Unit193> So, weechat or irssi are the two most popular there.
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• 1202[10:56:15] <wrksx> jm_: 10 secs is the interval for 'real time mode', when replaying a /var/log/atop/atop_YYYYMMDD file, the resolution is 10 minutes. But the man seems to imply that the binary logs are sampled this way so I guess there's nothing we can do about it. I'll check what's in /usr/share/atop/atop.daily maybe there's a way to specify the sample size.
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• 1210[10:59:57] <jm_> wrksx: in that case you can specify it as part of the command
• 1211[11:00:39] <wrksx> jm_: yeah just found out atop is restarted every day in atop.daily with that command: /usr/bin/atop -R -w /var/log/atop/<logfilname> 600
• 1212[11:00:44] <jm_> wrksx: check debian's service file if it can be configured via /etc/default
• 1213[11:00:58] <jm_> ahh it's hard-coded, too bad
• 1214[11:01:16] <wrksx> indeed
• 1215[11:01:32] <partitionhow> I think i joined a wrong servers that has the same greeting message?
• 1216[11:01:53] <wrksx> greetings
• 1217[11:02:26] <wrksx> jm_: do you think there's reasons to refrain myself from editing atop.daily ?
• 1218[11:02:37] <partitionhow> Are there 2 #debian channels on different networks?
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• 1220[11:02:50] <Haohmaru> partitionhow if it's debian stable you need to come here (freenode, #debian)
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• 1222[11:03:05] <Haohmaru> there may be #debian channels on any network
• 1223[11:03:11] <jm_> wrksx: it's probably marked as a config file, right?
• 1224[11:03:31] <jm_> partitionhow: yes, official channel is on OFTC
• 1225[11:03:49] <Haohmaru> jm_ what's this then?
• 1226[11:03:55] <wrksx> jm_: not sure what you mean by "marked" as a config file
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• 1232[11:06:01] <wrksx> jm_: it's the ExecStart script of the systemd service unit
• 1233[11:06:02] <jm_> wrksx: cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/atop.conffiles
• 1234[11:06:43] <wrksx> jm_: nope not in this list
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• 1236[11:07:09] <jm_> Haohmaru: it used to be official, but then debian moved to OFTC -- replaced-url
• 1237[11:07:26] <Haohmaru> meh, i like it here
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• 1239[11:08:03] <partitionhow> How do i setup server address and port for this chat?
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• 1241[11:08:30] <jm_> wrksx: ok I see, yeah I would not modify that
• 1242[11:08:32] <Haohmaru> partitionhow in many irc clients you should be able to use /server <server>:<port>
• 1243[11:08:53] <Haohmaru> so /server chat.freenode.net:6667 or so
• 1244[11:09:19] <Unit193> Or perhaps /connect would be better. In the case of Irssi, you can just do /connect oftc as it's already defined in the config. You would use port 6697 for TLS support.
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• 1248[11:09:41] <wrksx> jm_: right i'll leave it alone =) thanks for the chat!
• 1249[11:10:00] <Partitiontest> chat.freenode, didn't know
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• 1252[11:10:14] <Haohmaru> .net
• 1253[11:10:23] <Partitiontest> K, thx will write iso and boot in netinstall
• 1254[11:10:36] <Partitiontest> I'm in, i know xD
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• 1257[11:13:32] <Partitiontest> Can I install on live from same USB stick I booted or will it crash?
• 1258[11:14:07] <Partitiontest> I mean write iso
• 1259[11:14:28] <jelly> you can overwrite the whole stick with a different iso
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• 1261[11:14:44] <Partitiontest> K, thx
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• 1301[11:35:01] <bryanpedini> Goodmorning everyone!
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• 1303[11:36:06] <bryanpedini> Does somebody know how to fix an "intermittently audio disconnect" bug (somewhat related to front audio connection or something like that from what I've read online)?
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• 1305[11:38:04] <lxsameer> hey folks, i'm trying to use debootstrap and i get this error message "E: Couldn't download replaced-url
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• 1307[11:38:13] <lxsameer> I've tried other repos as well
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• 1309[11:38:34] <ratrace> lxsameer: what's your debootstrap command like?
• 1310[11:38:36] <lxsameer> none have the "Packages"
• 1311[11:38:47] <lxsameer> ratrace: sudo debootstrap --arch=amd64 stable $DIR
• 1312[11:39:34] <jm_> surely it should grab Packages.gz or .xz
• 1313[11:39:34] <z3bra> Hi there! I'm having trouble on my buster install: The layout specified in /etc/default/keyboard is not applied to my X session. I use xdm(1) to start my session, and have very few commands in my ~/.xsession. At the XDM prompt, the keyboard layout and variant are correctly set however. Same for the TTY. How would I go about troubleshooting this ? I found nothing in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or ~/.xsession-errors.
• 1314[11:39:40] <z3bra> Thanks for your help and time :)
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• 1317[11:40:28] <Partitiontest> Ok, it seems my previous partitions have been kept, should i just proceed with the install?
• 1318[11:40:55] <Partitiontest> Nvm, theyre not setup
• 1319[11:41:02] <Partitiontest> *set up
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• 1321[11:42:21] <bryanpedini> Basically, I usually have USB headphones connected but when I have to work remotely, mon-fri 8 hours a day, the headphones are passtrhough-ed to my VM, so the host machine every time there is a sound in the system "flickers" on and off the integrated audio
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• 1323[11:42:44] <bryanpedini> Does anybody know what system could this behavior be attributed to?
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• 1327[11:44:13] <lxsameer> ratrace: any idea ?
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• 1330[11:44:40] <Partitiontest> Ok, im starting from blank page starting with root partition on my to-be btrfs system- root partition: mount point- / , mount options- default, label- none, bootable flag- off. What do i need to chagen?
• 1331[11:44:41] <jm_> I don't have pass-through setup for my USB headset (qemu simply emulates audio for the vM), but my brother uses that at work with windows vm and he hasn't noticed anything like that
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• 1333[11:45:41] <Partitiontest> This one has much more options than the live install that didnt get mentioned in the guides i read earlier
• 1334[11:46:34] <hata> whatever partition contains /boot will need to have the bootable flag on
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• 1337[11:47:26] <Partitiontest> Kk, all else fine?
• 1338[11:48:21] <Partitiontest> Or do you mean i dont need to worry about the extra options as long as i keep the correct mount point and fs?
• 1339[11:48:23] <hata> that configuration is probably fine for your root partition
• 1340[11:48:35] <Partitiontest> Kk
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• 1343[11:49:08] <hata> you just need the bootable flag to be on /boot
• 1344[11:49:17] <hata> whether that be it's own partition or the root partition
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• 1346[11:49:45] <hata> that was worded poorly but I think I got my point across
• 1347[11:51:01] <Partitiontest> boot/efi for mount point for the boot partition?
• 1348[11:51:25] <Partitiontest> *as mount point
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• 1351[11:52:44] <hata> yes /boot
• 1352[11:53:19] <Partitiontest> with or without efi?
• 1353[11:53:55] <bryanpedini> Partitiontest: it depends on your hardware configuration
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• 1355[11:54:23] <Partitiontest> Debian live earlier said i need efi and i installed as uefi, not bios
• 1356[11:54:44] <Partitiontest> for some reason i cant turn the flags on on both options of the mount point
• 1357[11:54:48] <bryanpedini> So, *with* EFI
• 1358[11:54:57] <Partitiontest> Ye, thought so, thx
• 1359[11:55:13] <bryanpedini> np
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• 1361[11:55:24] <Partitiontest> Still, cant turn flags on for some reason
• 1362[11:55:25] <hata> also /boot needs to be formatted as fat32
• 1363[11:55:27] <Partitiontest> fat32 fs
• 1364[11:55:29] <Partitiontest> yesyes
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• 1371[11:56:33] <hata> not sure about that
• 1372[11:56:42] <hata> screenshot might help
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• 1375[11:57:52] <Partitiontest> How am i gonna share a screenshot from netinst
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• 1378[11:58:14] <hata> phone?
• 1379[11:58:24] <hata> could take a picture at least
• 1380[11:58:29] <Partitiontest> I guess i have to install imgur too
• 1381[11:58:33] <Partitiontest> Kk
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• 1383[11:58:55] <bryanpedini> Partitiontest: You can use Drive to sync photos to an existing PC and use that instead to upload the images
• 1384[11:59:05] <hata> you can upload without the app
• 1385[11:59:21] <bryanpedini> it's one step more, but when chatting with Prusa for my 3D printer I found that the most convenient solution
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• 1387[11:59:33] <Partitiontest> My laptop is my only pc, will do without app
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• 1389[11:59:50] <bryanpedini> Plus, I could take a picture and upload it to google drive directly if done from the Drive app itself
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• 1394[12:01:30] <Partitiontest> I have mega installed so ill do it that way: replaced-url
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• 1402[12:03:12] <hata> is the bootable flag enabled on any other partitions?
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• 1404[12:03:34] <Partitiontest> Checked, nope
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• 1409[12:04:59] <hata> from what I'm reading, since you're doing UEFI you might not need to make the partition bootable there, though I could be wrong
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• 1411[12:05:16] <hata> you can just try it out, worst case scenario you just start the installer over again
• 1412[12:05:29] <Partitiontest> Hm, ok, ill fill the rest with home
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• 1414[12:06:12] <hata> gtg for now, back in an hour. if no one can assist here try googling the issue, there's plenty of stuff online for this
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• 1418[12:07:02] <Partitiontest> Kk, it alrdy says no efi partition found and suggests going back partitioning
• 1419[12:07:08] <Partitiontest> Ill google
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• 1421[12:07:55] <Partitiontest> Thx for the help so far!
• 1422[12:08:25] <hata> no problem
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• 1425[12:09:09] <hata> alsp it’s possible the issue is with your bios settings, i’ve had issues with uefi linux installs before. might be easier to do a regular bios install if you can
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• 1427[12:10:42] <Partitiontest> Ok, thanks
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• 1477[12:41:49] <lxsameer> hey folks, is there any alternative to debootstrap to create a super minimal root fs ?
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• 1483[12:44:33] <Partitiontest> I chose guided/auto partition in manual and it fkin got me the efi itself with bootable flags on for anyone in the future, in efi mode
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• 1486[12:45:16] <Partitiontest> Installing with fingers crossed
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• 1498[12:51:47] <gmh> I know this is not a Debian question per se but I am trying to configure a fileserver running Debian I've figured out how to make SMB-shares accessible to guests, certain users etc etc. In theory everything is working well. Until ... you connect from a Windows computer where the WIndows-login is the same as one of the smb users configured in
• 1499[12:51:47] <gmh> Debian. Then you get full access without having to identify with password.
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• 1502[12:54:36] <hata> you could try asking in ##linux too gmh
• 1503[12:54:50] <hata> how's the install going Partitiontest
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• 1505[12:55:10] <gmh> Yeah, I will, thanks. Tried finding a more relevant channel (samba, smb and so forth but ran out of luck).
• 1506[12:55:28] <Partitiontest> Downloading plasma, the whole btrfs shebang is about the best practices for testing haha
• 1507[12:55:53] <Partitiontest> So i can get it semishiny
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• 1509[12:56:13] <Partitiontest> Will update once, or if, im booted
• 1510[12:56:24] <hata> k
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• 1541[13:09:22] <ws2k3> does anyone know what the default behavior is of procmail? postfix succesfully delivered an email to procmail. but i have no idea what procmail did with it
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• 1544[13:10:01] <Partitiontest> ITS ALIVE
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• 1546[13:10:09] <hata> gratz
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• 1548[13:10:40] <Partitiontest> Thx for the help!
• 1549[13:11:03] <hata> no problem
• 1550[13:11:09] <ratrace> ws2k3: is there an /etc/procmailrc or ~/.procmailrc (for the user it was invoked as) to consult?
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• 1554[13:12:00] <ratrace> ws2k3: another question is why on earth are you using procmail at all. it's been deprecated long time ago. use LDA like dovecot, you need IMAP anyway, no?
• 1555[13:13:51] <ws2k3> ratrace i checked both location a config file is not presend
• 1556[13:14:06] <ws2k3> ratrace i know. and i plan to ditch procmail. but as for now i have to deal with it
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• 1558[13:14:49] <ratrace> ws2k3: well I'm not sure there _are_ any defaults without a procmailrc unless maybe /var/spool/somwhere or /var/mail/somwehre
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• 1560[13:16:10] <ratrace> ws2k3: /var/spool/mail/$LOGNAME maybe?
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• 1564[13:18:23] <ws2k3> ratrace i checked but unfurtonaly no configfile
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• 1566[13:18:49] <UnDragalush> hello buy open un document is format .bin and 32 kb
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• 1569[13:19:26] <UnDragalush> hello buy open un document is format .bin and 32 kb
• 1570[13:19:28] <Partitiontest> Can someone suggest a semi-noob friendly btrfs snapshotting gui tool?
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• 1573[13:20:35] <ratrace> UnDragalush: use google translate please
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• 1576[13:20:54] <UnDragalush> ok
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• 1580[13:21:40] <ratrace> ws2k3: no the dirs I mentioned are possible destinations if procmailrc is missing
• 1581[13:22:03] <UnDragalush> hello I would like to open a small configuration of the archer c1200 router but it is in .bin format
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• 1583[13:22:57] <UnDragalush> weight document 32 kb
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• 1588[13:23:37] <kasos4life> Bonjour tout le monde :)
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• 1592[13:24:31] <UnDragalush> ratrace hellp me
• 1593[13:24:35] <UnDragalush> hello I would like to open a small configuration of the archer c1200 router but it is in .bin format
• 1594[13:24:38] <UnDragalush> weight document 32 kb
• 1595[13:24:53] <ws2k3> ratrace it seems there no configuration set for procmail at all
• 1596[13:25:30] <UnDragalush> ¿¿¿¿?''
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• 1598[13:25:36] <bryanpedini> UnDragalush: please do not post twice the same stuff, asking to a specific person to help you... maybe someone else will do, or maybe nobody knows the answer...
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• 1600[13:26:06] <bryanpedini> (and do not post twice the same stuff in less than 3 minutes, *anyway*, please...)
• 1601[13:26:10] <UnDragalush> bryanpedini oks scuzmi :(
• 1602[13:26:14] <UnDragalush> is deseperate :(
• 1603[13:26:29] <bryanpedini> have you searched online, if it's so desperate?
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• 1606[13:27:23] <UnDragalush> yes ,is not search relationateship is extraction files
• 1607[13:27:24] <azathoth> UnDragalush: are you sure it is a configuration file? .bin seems more like a firmware binary.
• 1608[13:28:31] <UnDragalush> if it's a router document when I gave it save it brought me this backup-Archer C1200-2020-04-05.bin
• 1609[13:28:34] <bryanpedini> azathoth: sometimes certain routers / gateways *DO* create configuration backups in .bin format to be sure they can backup even their root password or backdoor information without you being able to know / access...
• 1610[13:29:02] <azathoth> Hmm, ok I've never experienced that. Thanks!
• 1611[13:29:07] <ratrace> ws2k3: but is the mail stored by procmail in any of those dirs
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• 1614[13:30:29] <Lady_Aleena> Hi all. Is iceweasel still a thing?
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• 1616[13:31:10] <AimHere> The branding thing was worked out, and debian's firefox is back to being a firefox
• 1617[13:31:40] <UnDragalush> What I want is to see what is inside if it brings the Region and put it in Malaysia to enable new channels wifi /wirelles is standard chan 5 ghz 38 40 44 48 you buy enable all chanels max 165
• 1618[13:32:01] <Lady_Aleena> So, do I really need iceweasel anymore?
• 1619[13:32:16] <azathoth> UnDragalush: If it is text you can open it with vim. If not, a hex editor is probably your only chance.
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• 1623[13:33:11] <UnDragalush> I do not know about that can detail me use win 7
• 1624[13:33:33] <azathoth> No, sorry I don't own a windows device.
• 1625[13:34:01] <bryanpedini> "me use Win 7"...
• 1626[13:34:01] <bryanpedini> both "*ENGRISH PLS!*" and "why are you on #Debian then"??
• 1627[13:34:09] <bryanpedini> :facepalm:
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• 1631[13:34:56] <UnDragalush> I want to know what is configured and if I can configure it I want to convert it back as it was before but with new values ​​for the operation of the router and open the 5 ghz channels instead of 38 40 44 and 48 I want to open them all
• 1632[13:35:23] <bryanpedini> why don't you just download an international firmware from the manufacturer's website and flash it that way?
• 1633[13:35:36] <bryanpedini> then you can just use the GUI on the web panel to do all the stuff you want...
• 1634[13:36:09] <UnDragalush> If you want, I will send you the file, it does not weigh much 30 kb, and if you open something, you will save it as text.
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• 1638[13:36:59] <bryanpedini> and if the manufacturer either doesn't have an international / proper version and/or doesn't want to provide downloads for it, you better find another router / access point or a well detailed guide on how to do it... #Debian, especially 'cause you're a Windows user, is not for these stuff...
• 1639[13:37:40] <UnDragalush> thanks for the help but i tried and the fuck router from other countries does not accept me
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• 1643[13:38:45] <bryanpedini> and no, I'm wasting my time chatting around on IRC channels to request / provide help on things I know, because I'm an *actual Debian user*, right now!
• 1644[13:38:45] <bryanpedini> I'm surely not gonna download, especially *binary* files from a random IRC guy on the internet, just 'cause I *have* to help him...
• 1645[13:38:49] <azathoth> UnDragalush: replaced-url
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• 1647[13:39:12] <bryanpedini> ("wasting" in terms of "funny wasting")
• 1648[13:39:34] <bryanpedini> azathoth: smart move boy :wink:
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• 1651[13:39:54] <UnDragalush> look can you please convert my text I send it to you by DCC by mir since it only weighs 30 kb you convert it into text and I will look at it and tell you something if it is worth converting it again in bin and so I will solve my problem with the 5ghz channels
• 1652[13:39:54] <jelly> UnDragalush, maybe try #openwrt channel if you're running OpenWRT on that thing like my Archer C5 does, or ##networking. In general ".bin" means nothing. That might be a tar file really, or something else. Use a toole like /usr/bin/file on Linux to detect the REAL format
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• 1655[13:41:25] <bryanpedini> jelly: U really think a "me use Win 7" user trying to open a bin file, asking on #Debian, will be able to use any Linux machine, when knowing it's Linux (I'm talking about web panels, of course they're Linux and anybody knows how to use them)
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• 1660[13:41:52] <bryanpedini> not to be rude... but this is neither ##networking, #OpenWrt nor #Windows or whatever...
• 1661[13:41:54] <UnDragalush> does not run opewrt is an official tp-link Gui what I want is to see the document that I made a copy of the configuration
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• 1663[13:42:47] <bryanpedini> UnDragalush: bro... tp-link is known to the universe for not letting users edit their configuration files / backups more than what the GUI can do....
• 1664[13:42:55] <bryanpedini> You're out of luck buddy...
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• 1666[13:43:10] <bryanpedini> tp-link is the cheapo Aerohive...
• 1667[13:43:12] <jelly> bryanpedini, I'll try my best to help them find a better place to get help
• 1668[13:43:23] <bryanpedini> jelly: sure enough...
• 1669[13:43:29] <bryanpedini> fair point
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• 1672[13:45:02] <UnDragalush> It is so difficult to create a binary text document or whatever it is called, I do not want to extract folders or files, I want to see what configuration I will give you an example that you do not know. and something like this begins
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• 1674[13:45:13] <UnDragalush> netconf.1.status=enabled
• 1675[13:45:13] <UnDragalush> netconf.1.up=enabled
• 1676[13:45:13] <UnDragalush> netconf.2.allmulti=enabled
• 1677[13:45:18] <jelly> UnDragalush, you're asking in the wrong place.
• 1678[13:45:27] <UnDragalush> netconf.2.autoip.status=disabled
• 1679[13:45:27] <UnDragalush> netconf.2.devname=ath0
• 1680[13:45:27] <UnDragalush> netconf.2.hwaddr.mac=
• 1681[13:45:27] <UnDragalush> netconf.2.hwaddr.status=disabled
• 1682[13:45:29] <UnDragalush> etc
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• 1685[13:46:07] <hata> try #openwrt
• 1686[13:46:10] <jelly> UnDragalush, this channel is for users of Debian distribution. Are you able to type in: /j ##networking
• 1687[13:46:13] <UnDragalush> scuzme flooding..
• 1688[13:46:15] <hata> you said it's openwrt right?
• 1689[13:46:26] <jelly> he said it was default fw, not openwrt
• 1690[13:46:30] <hata> oh
• 1691[13:46:42] <bryanpedini> hata: no it is not... it's the stupid default tp-link cheapo bad written firmware...
• 1692[13:46:42] <UnDragalush> is gui tp-link officials
• 1693[13:46:52] <UnDragalush> archer c1200
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• 1697[13:47:35] <UnDragalush> quer viev document .bin veight 30 kb no more
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• 1700[13:48:24] <bryanpedini> UnDragalush: bro... just looked up TP-Link Archer 1200 on Amazon.....
• 1701[13:48:24] <bryanpedini> You're trying to edit a binary config file for a <50$ modem/router/access_point combo...
• 1702[13:48:32] <UnDragalush> no
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• 1704[13:48:37] <UnDragalush> market careffour
• 1705[13:48:42] <bryanpedini> let me disappointingly tell you the truth..... you're not gonna do that...
• 1706[13:48:49] <UnDragalush> oficianl market in and car
• 1707[13:49:15] <joepublic> additionally, you are making a light, springy word salad sprinkled with nonsense
• 1708[13:49:23] <jelly> UnDragalush, anyway, I see you're in ##networking now. Your issue is not topical for #debian so please stop asking.
• 1709[13:49:42] <bryanpedini> sure, wherever you bought it... it doesn't cost more than 50 bucks buddy... it's designed to not being able to do these sort of stuff
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• 1711[13:49:59] <bryanpedini> and I agree with jelly, please stop talking tp-link now...
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• 1714[13:50:16] <bryanpedini> wp Partitiontest, were you finally able to install Buster?
• 1715[13:50:20] <bryanpedini> wb *
• 1716[13:50:36] <bryanpedini> WordPress isn't a topic for #Debian :haha:
• 1717[13:50:51] <Partitiontest> For some reason I don't have usermod to sudo myself and can't apt install it, wtf?
• 1718[13:50:54] <jelly> We try not to make fun of people's broken second or fifth language English, nor to assume their buying capability. For all I know $50 is their yearly paycheck.
• 1719[13:51:19] <UnDragalush> ok excuse me worse I thought they knew that I send you the 30 kb file more or less changes it in text so that it can be read and if it is worth modifying it I will modify it and I send it back and put it in .bin again it is a simple my router file
• 1720[13:51:38] <bryanpedini> jelly: not criticizing their salary, but the ability to edit a config file for a sub 50 bucks router... I'm really sorry if it appeared the first way...
• 1721[13:51:56] <jelly> UnDragalush, if anyone wants to help you, they can join ##networking and help you there. I'll kick you out now.
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• 1723[13:52:03] <joepublic> indeed I respect language learning; my apologies for appearances to the contrary.
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• 1729[13:52:46] <jelly> !next
• 1730[13:52:47] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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• 1732[13:53:28] <bryanpedini> jelly: are you a Moderator? :lol:
• 1733[13:53:40] <bryanpedini> anyway... Partitiontest "reset" your root password in a live environment
• 1734[13:53:41] <hata> partitiontest you should be able to login as root
• 1735[13:53:44] <bryanpedini> and login with root directly
• 1736[13:53:49] <jelly> it's called "op" on irc, and yes.
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• 1738[13:54:09] <Partitiontest> Ye, I can su
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• 1740[13:54:34] <Partitiontest> But when I try to usermod myself it says command unknown
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• 1743[13:54:50] <bryanpedini> btw Partitiontest Buster _usually_ ( *always* for what I know / assume) installs sudo by default...
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• 1746[13:54:55] <joepublic> su - or su -l -- not su
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• 1748[13:55:33] <Lope> hey guys, if my host linux OS is screen 7, can I start a guest linux VM as screen 3?
• 1749[13:55:45] <bryanpedini> Partitiontest: did you check the ISO md5sum before putting it on USB / DVD (who uses those these days?) AND you made sure it didn't error out during the installation?
• 1750[13:56:07] <Partitiontest> Oh, true, it worked after su -
• 1751[13:56:09] <bryanpedini> it really seems these kinds of bugs are related to a misconfigured / corrupted either system or ISO
• 1752[13:56:13] <joepublic> dpkg, su
• 1753[13:56:13] <dpkg> extra, extra read all about it, su is switch/set user. It is used to change User ID's and/or gain super user access. Since Debian Buster, "su -" or "su -l" is needed to access programs located in /sbin (see <buster su>). It provides an root environment as if the superuser had logged in directly. See "man su".
• 1754[13:56:32] <Partitiontest> All good relogging to check
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• 1757[13:57:35] <bryanpedini> joepublic: if you "su", and not "su -", since Buster you're not able for example to /sbin/mkfs or /sbin/mount?
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• 1760[13:58:08] <joepublic> bryanpedini, those things simply will not be in your path
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• 1763[13:58:54] <bryanpedini> so you're root, calling them directly by prepending `/sbin/` works 'cause you're UID 0, but it doesn't work when you try to call them directly, is that the case?
• 1764[13:59:01] <joepublic> yes.
• 1765[13:59:06] <bryanpedini> I see...
• 1766[13:59:10] <bryanpedini> wow, I didn't know this
• 1767[13:59:16] <bryanpedini> it changed recently...
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• 1769[13:59:35] <ice9> debian uses selinux or apparmor by default?
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• 1771[13:59:51] <bryanpedini> actually kinda makes sense... "su" for "administrative-ish" tasks, "su -" for "I'm God, please let me use my damn system the way I like it"
• 1772[13:59:54] <azathoth> the "-" instructs the shell to act as a login shell, so you'll get all the shell initialization files (.bashrc, .profile etc.) which set up your path in that case for root
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• 1775[14:00:19] <azathoth> ice9: apparmor
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• 1777[14:00:34] <bryanpedini> azathoth: that makes much more sense than my joke haha...
• 1778[14:00:36] <joepublic> su for "change user but leave my environment alone", su - for "log me in"
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• 1781[14:01:30] <bryanpedini> joepublic: fair enough... Debian ain't gonna be stupid soon... I would rather say the opposite!
• 1782[14:01:38] <bryanpedini> good little system, daddy's little system...
• 1783[14:01:59] <bryanpedini> (is enough understandable how much I like it? :haha:)
• 1784[14:02:16] <joepublic> Debian's pretty well organized and makes good decisions. Nothing's perfect but Debian's pretty darned good.
• 1785[14:03:00] <azathoth> bryanpedini: for more inof search "-l" in "man su"
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• 1787[14:03:36] <bryanpedini> joepublic: except when you base Ubuntu on Debian, then you base Mint on Ubuntu, then you install Mint and get used to *things* and when you switch back to Debian you realize you have less than halves the PPAs and the customizations / programs / *things* you had before... hahahaha...
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• 1789[14:04:03] <joepublic> debian supports PPAs, but few PPAs package for Debian.
• 1790[14:04:04] <bryanpedini> sad story of a sysengineer who got used to Mint....
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• 1793[14:04:24] <bryanpedini> joepublic: sure, but you don't have all the defaults you get in Mint
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• 1795[14:04:33] <bryanpedini> which I once got used to...
• 1796[14:04:48] <bryanpedini> bad life decisions...
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• 1799[14:05:17] <bryanpedini> bubi67: you finally were able to stably join the room... :lol:
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• 1802[14:06:23] <joepublic> off seeking food, ciao
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• 1805[14:07:47] <inclusa_> ls
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• 1810[14:11:02] <bryanpedini> joepublic: 'r u Ita? :lol:
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• 1821[14:16:29] <Partitiontest> Sry, got caught up in upgrading to testing, works :)
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• 1823[14:17:42] <Partitiontest> Can someone suggest gui tools for btrfs snapshotting for seminoobs?
• 1824[14:17:47] <bryanpedini> Partitiontest: so now everything is normal?
• 1825[14:17:56] <Partitiontest> Yeye, can sudo
• 1826[14:18:03] <bryanpedini> perfect!
• 1827[14:18:32] <Partitiontest> Thx, didn't know su and su - are different things
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• 1841[14:24:38] <uebera||> Hi. There [used to be] "a mailing list for pbuilder on alioth (pbuilder-maint@replaced-ip##)" -- was this discontinued in the meantime as it's not listed at ##replaced-url
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• 1857[14:32:04] <f8e4> shipping vim without option: -xterm_clipboard # is a warcrime!
• 1858[14:32:26] <f8e4> or me miss some?
• 1859[14:33:04] <f8e4> \join #vim
• 1860[14:33:13] <f8e4> \join #vim
• 1861[14:33:25] <azathoth> it's / not \
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• 1867[14:36:39] <sunkan> There is a package "oca-core" in Debian Buster, how can I find out whether it is likely for this to be supported going forward? For example can I expect it to be possible to upgrade to a newer version in the future if that would be packaged?
• 1868[14:37:02] <joepublic> ,v oca-core
• 1869[14:37:04] <judd> Package: oca-core on amd64 -- bullseye: 11.0.20180730-1; buster: 11.0.20180730-1; sid: 11.0.20180730-1
• 1870[14:37:11] <azathoth> you culd check if it's in sid or even expermimental
• 1871[14:38:19] <sunkan> As you see there are the same package at least in sid, but I guess I would need to get in contact with the team that packages it to find out more about the future plans.
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• 1875[14:41:33] <sunkan> Can I just send an email to team+oca@tracker.debian.org to ask, or is that the wrong way to try and find out?
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• 1913[15:15:19] <mutantturkey> I am trying to install a package. It has an entry in the version table, but has no Candidate listed which i thought was odd
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• 1915[15:16:44] <mutantturkey> seems like it exists: replaced-url
• 1916[15:17:09] <ice9> i'm facing packet loss on port 22 ONLY, no firewall on server nor client, any idea?
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• 1918[15:18:37] <dvs> mutantturkey, apt-cache policy cloud-init doesn't list a valid candidate?
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• 1920[15:19:03] <mutantturkey> oh
• 1921[15:19:14] <mutantturkey> dvs: good catch. it has -1 as the priority so that wouldn't use it as a source i guss
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• 1923[15:19:32] <dvs> that'll do it
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• 1925[15:20:05] <dvs> something in /etc/apt/preferences.d ?
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• 1927[15:20:51] <dvs> mutantturkey, or your /etc/apt/sources.list isn't set up right?
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• 1929[15:23:56] <AlligatorJoe> whats the deal with debian leaving out the snd-pcm1-oss module for the linux kernel...why is it not included as an option for modprobe
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• 1941[15:29:55] <AlligatorJoe> this ommission of snd-pcm1-oss module for the kernel is affecting a lot of other distros that rely on debian to know what it is doing for their own distros
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• 1984[15:52:18] <NetTerminalGene> does anyone here experience loading first site takes long time after first firefox launch? after the load firefox loads pages immediately, no problem. any solution?
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• 1987[15:53:32] <AlligatorJoe> NetTerminalGene...do you have a slow connection to the internet...maybe the fast stuff is just your cached files.
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• 1989[15:54:14] <NetTerminalGene> AlligatorJoe, no
• 1990[15:55:11] <AlligatorJoe> NetTerminalGene...hmmm...well how long do routes take to ping maybe your routing is slow
• 1991[15:55:49] <NetTerminalGene> there is no such problem with brave browser (chromium)
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• 1994[15:56:53] <AlligatorJoe> NetTerminalGene...well that is strange...how long do routes take to ping...and also perhaps it is related to the cloudflare issue..brave may not be using that
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• 1996[15:57:18] <NetTerminalGene> -_-
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• 2005[16:04:16] <jm_> maybe name resolution?
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• 2012[16:07:33] <jm_> AlligatorJoe: why do you need that module?
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• 2034[16:23:14] <Sneat> replaced-url
• 2035[16:23:19] <Sneat> can I install this on Debian?
• 2036[16:23:33] <Sneat> if so how would I do it, sorry if a newbie question.
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• 2038[16:23:59] <Sneat> I'm guessing I have to add it as a custom repo, then install it?
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• 2043[16:25:15] <AlligatorJoe> jm_ because it sets up a pseudo /dev/dsp device so you can cat somemusic.au > /dev/dsp
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• 2045[16:25:44] <greycat> .au, the cutting edge technology of 1985
• 2046[16:25:50] <AlligatorJoe> jm_ ...it is the free emulated version of the propietary oss stuff
• 2047[16:26:05] <Sneat> replaced-url
• 2048[16:26:08] <Sneat> or this one even
• 2049[16:26:11] <Sneat> how do I install this one?
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• 2051[16:26:59] <AlligatorJoe> jm_ so why hasn't it been included in debian..because many other distros fork debian and it ruins a lot of them
• 2052[16:28:00] <jm_> AlligatorJoe: because that module does not appear to be part of the linux kernel
• 2053[16:28:37] <AlligatorJoe> jm_ that is strange....because the gentoo docs refer to the ability to install it
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• 2055[16:28:50] <jm_> AlligatorJoe: do you have Url?
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• 2057[16:29:16] <AlligatorJoe> jm_ yeah maybe i can find it but i have slow connection to look for it...
• 2058[16:29:47] <jm_> Sneat: that seems to be work in progress to add it to debian
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• 2061[16:32:15] <Sneat> I'm about to just use Kali Linux, this is redic
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• 2063[16:33:09] <AlligatorJoe> jm_ here is some kernel documentation on it...replaced-url
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• 2065[16:33:57] <greycat> OSS was what Linux used in the 1990s, before ALSA, which in turn was before PulseAudio.
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• 2068[16:34:15] <greycat> and we no longer talk about ESD
• 2069[16:34:17] <AlligatorJoe> greycat...i know i was around before alsa....
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• 2071[16:34:35] <AlligatorJoe> greycat back when microsoft was first working on multimedia
• 2072[16:35:08] <AlligatorJoe> greycat but oss was propietary...so the free alsa people invented a free emulation of the propietary oss
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• 2074[16:35:37] <jm_> AlligatorJoe: snd-pcm-oss still exists in debian kernels, I though your mentioning of snd-pcm1-oss means it's something special
• 2075[16:36:02] <AlligatorJoe> jm_ yes the docs in gentoo refer to a better version called pcm1
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• 2077[16:36:18] <jm_> AlligatorJoe: so probably some out-of-tree stuff
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• 2079[16:36:51] <AlligatorJoe> jm_ well since gentoo has it ...why doesn't debian..after all ...a lot of distros depend on debian to know what it is doing
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• 2081[16:37:08] <greycat> ...
• 2082[16:37:13] <zodd> Sneat, you ask about how to install software without knowing the differences between options so it seems. Next you proclaim you will use Kali which is a special purpose distro and is a rolling release. Are you in a rollercoaster atm?
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• 2084[16:37:54] <Sneat> I do identify as a rollcoaster
• 2085[16:38:00] <Sneat> OOooooooeeeeee
• 2086[16:39:15] <jm_> AlligatorJoe: jusg guessing without having all the facts, but it just means someone would need to package it is all
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• 2088[16:39:24] <greycat> Here's a page <replaced-url
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• 2090[16:39:55] <jm_> what's that among friends
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• 2092[16:39:55] <greycat> Good luck finding more detailed information about this 20-year-old stuff.
• 2093[16:40:09] <zodd> Sneat, if one does not know exactly what one is doing (and thus can reverse damages, fix problems etc, it is recommended to stick to a stable release and only use packages provided through the stable debian package repository
• 2094[16:40:25] <AlligatorJoe> greycat...not sure about that message because pcm1 came after the pcm module
• 2095[16:40:32] <Sneat> lol ok den, I know nothing of what I'm doing, derp derp derp
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• 2098[16:40:45] <greycat> AlligatorJoe: then show me one current web page that discusses it.
• 2099[16:40:55] <greycat> Near as I can tell, you are simply mistaken.
• 2100[16:41:13] <AlligatorJoe> greycat...well let me go try to find another doc
• 2101[16:42:41] <greycat> replaced-url
• 2102[16:42:53] <greycat> are you using Linux 2.0.x or 2.2.x?
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• 2113[16:48:01] <greycat> the oldest Debian kernels I've got access to at the moment are 2.6.x and they have snd-pcm-oss but not snd-pcm1-oss
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• 2117[16:48:41] <AlligatorJoe> greycat here is a nazi paper from 1999...and i saw a couple dated 2008 but it is still useful unless linus has chosen to kill it...
• 2118[16:48:48] <AlligatorJoe> replaced-url
• 2119[16:48:59] <AlligatorJoe> greycat if you can read all that nazi nonsense
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• 2126[16:51:37] <greycat> nobody's disputing that this module existed in 1999
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• 2128[16:52:04] <greycat> what I can't find at the moment is which kernel was the first to remove it -- 2.4 or 2.6
• 2129[16:52:41] <AlligatorJoe> greycat...well what i want to know is since debian is including snd-mixer-oss why not also include snd-pcm1-oss...so we can use a pseudo dev/dsp device...to cat an au file to
• 2130[16:53:38] <AlligatorJoe> greycat...just try to cat somemusic.wav > /dev/snd/pcmc0d0p with the alsa modules
• 2131[16:54:01] <greycat> unicorn:~$ sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss
• 2132[16:54:01] <greycat> [sudo] password for greg:
• 2133[16:54:01] <greycat> unicorn:~$ ls /dev/dsp
• 2134[16:54:01] <greycat> /dev/dsp
• 2135[16:54:08] <AlligatorJoe> greycat...whereas cat *.au > /dev/dsp works
• 2136[16:55:55] <AlligatorJoe> greycat...look in the /lib/whatever/kernel/sound/oss/* to see that the only kernel support module debian is including is snd-mixer-oss not snd-pcm1-oss
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• 2148[16:58:30] <greycat> Loading snd-pcm-oss gives me the /dev/dsp file. I don't know what more you want.
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• 2153[16:59:06] <AlligatorJoe> greycat..but even that version is not included in this debian based distro...did linus blacklist it
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• 2155[16:59:33] <greycat> snd-pcm-oss is present in EVERY debian kernel I checked, from buster back to squeeze and maybe earlier
• 2156[16:59:58] <AlligatorJoe> greycat...well it is not in this ubuntu which is mostly debian
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• 2158[17:00:05] <greycat> *pl onk*
• 2159[17:00:13] <greycat> next!
• 2160[17:00:16] <Kalirog> Hi, can someone have 5 minutes to help me translate a firewall-d command into a iptables one? I did check the man page but it's too complicated for me :/
• 2161[17:00:18] <isnice> lol
• 2162[17:00:58] <AlligatorJoe> greycat..you can't modprobe a module that is not ther
• 2163[17:01:00] <AlligatorJoe> there
• 2164[17:01:04] <Ede|Popede> hi AlligatorJoe :) new day, new channel?
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• 2166[17:01:46] <AlligatorJoe> Ede..not really debian is a very old channel
• 2167[17:01:56] <greycat> did they already ban him from #ubuntu, and is that why he came here?
• 2168[17:02:04] <Sneat> lol
• 2169[17:02:40] <AlligatorJoe> greycat..yep the sons of bitches don't want to pay me the trillions of dollars that they owe and i know they are making some money off of our model 1 ideas
• 2170[17:02:43] <Ede|Popede> #firefox last night, greycat. a sad wall of text for some hours.
• 2171[17:02:49] <Ede|Popede> this!
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• 2174[17:03:28] <AlligatorJoe> greycat...i am not letting any of those money making bastards off the hook for the trillions of dollars they owe me
• 2175[17:03:48] <Sneat> I'm sure you'll get dem trillions
• 2176[17:03:50] <Ede|Popede> the kick text was just "what."
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• 2178[17:04:50] <Ede|Popede> AlligatorJoe: just print your own bucks. there's an laurel and hardy movie showing you the trick!
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• 2180[17:05:55] <jm_> Kalirog: why? run the command, list the rules with iptables and you'll get it
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• 2183[17:06:27] <AlligatorJoe> Ede..maybe governments can print their own money..but i can't...i require all those money making bastards to give me a fair share of all their money to pay as royalties for the ideas they have used that we created
• 2184[17:06:43] <AlligatorJoe> Ede..and it amounts to trillions of dollars
• 2185[17:06:55] <Kalirog> I found something in the debian wiki, i was looking with the FR translation and theses commands were missing. i'm giving it a try right now
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• 2197[17:15:57] <remarc> hello, could you give me an advice? I have 16GB RAM and two SSD's: 250GB and 1TB. I would like to install debian/arch/fedora (distro doesn't matter for me). How to partition this two disks? /boot/efi 1024MB, / 250GB, /home 1TB, /swap (file) will be ok?
• 2198[17:17:06] <AlligatorJoe> remarc..you should not need 1024 Mb just for kernel to boot
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• 2200[17:17:27] <dvs> remarc, /boot/efi should be 513MB max
• 2201[17:17:34] <AlligatorJoe> remarc..you can do that but it wastes some space
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• 2203[17:18:27] <remarc> hmm so how to do better?
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• 2209[17:21:20] <Ede|Popede> my whole system runs on a stoneage 80GB including everything. the TB are needed mostly for media (or extreme development i guess), but since i'm the only user all the big directories are on the 2nd disk.
• 2210[17:22:12] <Ede|Popede> i also had the former system on this disk, just repartitioned, never emptied the apt cache and / still had enough space.
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• 2233[17:30:36] <karlpinc> remarc: (I like using LVM, so I don't have to care about getting the partitioning right.)
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• 2237[17:33:15] <remarc> karlpinc, it is the way, but i dont need more space for other distros or whatever. Is it the right way to have / 250gb or i.e. / 100GB, /home 150GB, and the other whole SSD 1 TB for sth like /mnt/datastorage ?
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• 2241[17:34:34] <dvs> remarc, what are you going to use /mnt/datastorage for? Are you sharing that partition with other OSes?
• 2242[17:34:55] <remarc> no
• 2243[17:35:38] <dvs> I liked the first partition scheme better except set /boot/efi to 513MB
• 2244[17:35:58] <remarc> only for files -> pdf's photos, videos and others
• 2245[17:36:38] <remarc> so, /boot/efi 513MB, / 250GB, /home 1TB ?
• 2246[17:36:39] <dvs> I'd keep those files in /home if you're not sharing with anyone else.
• 2247[17:37:00] <dvs> remarc, that would be my preference.
• 2248[17:38:08] <remarc> ok, thx
• 2249[17:38:22] <dvs> np
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• 2264[17:42:15] <boobQ> Hi I want to boot my Debian iso from Ubuntu...it got startup desk creator bug it is not detecting my iso file
• 2265[17:42:40] <boobQ> But*
• 2266[17:43:10] <greycat> !debootstrap
• 2267[17:43:10] <boobQ> Ubtintu so old as 12.04 and I am not able to download anything
• 2268[17:43:10] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. replaced-url
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• 2270[17:43:44] <greycat> otherwise, if you already have an INSTALLER iso of Debian, simply burn it to a CD or write it to a USB storage device
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• 2272[17:44:50] <boobQ> I got USB and I have 10.10 ubuntu
• 2273[17:44:59] <boobQ> I have Debian latest iso downloaded
• 2274[17:45:10] <boobQ> I am not able to install anything to Ubuntu host
• 2275[17:45:26] <boobQ> This is the only laptop I have untill this covid stop
• 2276[17:46:20] <dvs> boobQ, do you want to install Debian onto the laptop?
• 2277[17:46:24] <greycat> insert the USB storage device (make sure it's one whose contents you can afford to lose), use dmesg | tail to find out what /dev/sd* it is, make sure it's NOT mounted, become root, and cp your debian image to it.
• 2278[17:46:39] <remarc> dvs, do you use timeshift or sth?
• 2279[17:46:45] <dvs> no
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• 2281[17:47:07] <boobQ> geaycat can I do the same to bad image ?
• 2282[17:47:11] <boobQ> Bsd
• 2283[17:47:55] <boobQ> dvs yes I have one Debian iso and one bsd iso I want something to install
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• 2306[17:59:22] <karlpinc> boobQ: You might consider using the unofficial install iso with non-free firmware included.
• 2307[17:59:25] <karlpinc> !firmware images
• 2308[17:59:25] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
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• 2312[18:00:58] <wasi_> shorturl.at/lFHX2
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• 2323[18:07:11] <lxsameer> hey folks, is there any alternative to debootstrap to create a super minimal root fs ?
• 2324[18:07:45] <karlpinc> lxsameer: For what purpose?
• 2325[18:08:05] <lxsameer> to create a minimal root fs
• 2326[18:08:10] <lxsameer> i need to boot it with qemu
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• 2332[18:11:16] <ratrace> lxsameer: I don't think you can go more minimal than debootstrap.
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• 2337[18:13:54] <lxsameer> ratrace: debootstrap isn't working as expected that's why i'm looking for an alternative
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• 2343[18:18:12] <wasiihsan> replaced-url
• 2344[18:18:36] <zatumil> ,info supermin
• 2345[18:18:37] <judd> Package supermin (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: tool for building supermin appliances.. Version: 5.1.20-1+b10; Size: 334.2k; Installed: 1303k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 2346[18:19:30] <ratrace> lxsameer: and what was expected?
• 2347[18:20:26] <jhutchins> 1qemu
• 2348[18:20:36] <jhutchins> !qemu
• 2349[18:20:36] <dpkg> QEMU is a fast PC emulator. replaced-url
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• 2352[18:21:55] <digdilem> that faq link is dead btw
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• 2358[18:25:02] <annadane> feels like we increasingly have to link to archive.org stuff these days
• 2359[18:25:28] <annadane> feels increasingly like*
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• 2366[18:28:40] <bryanpedini> Has anybody experienced these kind of annoying issues with audio in every Debian-based distro (I'm currently running pure Debian Buster, but I had the same problem both on Kubuntu and on Mint): replaced-url
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• 2371[18:29:40] <bryanpedini> Dunno even how to call it... it seems that randomly and intermittently the audio switch physical device because it cannot detect front panel audio (or somewhat similar related issue, based on what I found online so far)
• 2372[18:30:36] <bryanpedini> the strange part (also visible in the proof of concept bug video I sent), the issue presents itself only when receiving audio, as for most of the time it doesn't show up when the PC is silent...
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• 2374[18:31:00] <bryanpedini> whereas in the past, I had this exact issue but all the time
• 2375[18:31:09] <lxsameer> ratrace: what do you mean ?
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• 2382[18:35:26] <ratrace> lxsameer: what did you expect and how wat that expectation broken
• 2383[18:35:30] <ratrace> *was
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• 2389[18:39:09] <lxsameer> ratrace: ah , debootstrap can't find the Package in the repo
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• 2391[18:39:24] <lxsameer> which i figured it out just now
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• 2393[18:39:50] <lxsameer> apparently if i remove `--arch` from cli, it will fix it
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• 2398[18:45:14] <b1ack0p> ah missed news time..
• 2399[18:45:24] <b1ack0p> oh wrong channel sorry
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• 2406[18:49:10] <stefanc_diff> does the debian engineering team release qcow2 images ready to be booted by kvm/libvirt somewhere ? I've tried the cloud images (generic) with no success, boot gets stuck at drive detection - replaced-url
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• 2422[18:58:48] <bryanpedini> stefanc_diff: I think they're meant to be taken by cloud-init or something along those lines...
• 2423[18:59:05] <bryanpedini> I may be wrong, but I've never seen a clean downloaded image boot off first try...
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• 2425[18:59:47] <uniqdom> can sudo allow an user to run a command that starts with a string? for example, I want that the user can rename a directory to whatever name he wants, so sudo/visudo needs to catch something like "mv dir_name *". how to do that'
• 2426[18:59:47] <uniqdom> ?
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• 2428[19:00:35] <greycat> Tell the human to type sudo themselves.
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• 2430[19:00:49] <greycat> do NOT magically try to shove sudo in random commands
• 2431[19:00:55] <bryanpedini> uniqdom: I think it does natively without any issue at all...
• 2432[19:00:55] <bryanpedini> if you figure out it is not, just `sudo sh -c "whatever command"`
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• 2434[19:01:45] <bryanpedini> and `visudo` is for editing sudo config files safely, it tests the config after you write them, catches, and tells you the errors it found
• 2435[19:02:01] <uniqdom> ok thanks
• 2436[19:02:31] <bryanpedini> it hasn't anything to do with `sudo` itself as a whole and how it works (except for the fact that you must be UID 0, aka "root", or use sudo to run `visudo`)
• 2437[19:02:59] <bryanpedini> no problem
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• 2440[19:04:11] <bryanpedini> greycat: do you know how Debian works out ALSA audio? I have a little funny issue I'm not able to fix, which I'm trying to since at least two months now...
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• 2449[19:09:35] <jhutchins> !alsa checklist
• 2450[19:09:35] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
• 2451[19:10:12] <jhutchins> sudo + scripting = unexpected results.
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• 2468[19:19:36] <lupulo> how to i could see the debian/compat with debhelper?
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• 2474[19:22:21] <JordiGH> I have a theory: replaced-url
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• 2477[19:22:56] <JordiGH> So how do I figure out why libatk is at the backports version? If I try to downgrade it, apt goes a little crazy and wants to delete half my OS.
• 2478[19:23:06] <JordiGH> (Well, not half, just a bunch of seemingly unrelated things)
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• 2500[19:34:51] <JordiGH> Help me #debian you're my only hope.
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• 2520[19:44:59] <AndreasLutro> JordiGH: I would start with `apt-rdepends --state-follow=Installed --state-show=Installed -r libatk1.0-0`, use `apt-cache show` on every package that depends on libatk, look for ones that have a version constraint higher than what's available in stable
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• 2527[19:49:22] <sahil> HELP! i was fixing broken packages in synaptic, and a error occured:-
• 2528[19:49:35] <sahil> E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
• 2529[19:49:36] <sahil> E: Unable to correct dependencies
• 2530[19:49:36] <JordiGH> AndreasLutro: Ah, that sounds good, thanks.
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• 2532[19:50:36] <JordiGH> and TIL that "apt-rdepends" is not "apt rdepends"
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• 2544[19:57:09] <annadane> i always mix up depends vs rdepends, i just can't get it straight in my head, linguistically
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• 2551[19:59:33] <annadane> apt depends foo means the packages it lists must be installed to install foo
• 2552[19:59:43] <annadane> and rdepends is the reverse
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• 2554[20:00:00] <annadane> but it's such a hard concept for me to understand, for whatever reason
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• 2557[20:01:26] <sponix> annadane: package-ception ?
• 2558[20:02:09] <annadane> i think it's because if you spoke it as a sentence in english, "apt depends foo" - "what depends on foo?"
• 2559[20:02:16] <annadane> which is the reverse of what it actually is
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• 2561[20:03:45] <sponix> annadane: I had to use equivs to do a fake package the other day to satisfy a dep for Folding @ Home -- It is something that already existed support wise on my system, but had been renamed and the dep tree was still looking for the old name
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• 2566[20:04:40] <sponix> luckily someone from here pointed me to equivs, and I found a little documentation online also
• 2567[20:05:25] <sponix> think that someone was Sney
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• 2570[20:05:43] <annadane> though as far as support questions are concerned i still like using aptitude to solve problems instead of apt-cache or apt depends/rdepends
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• 2574[20:06:00] <trek00> sponix: wow, it's the first time i see equivs, it's a great tool! i always reubuilt bad packages with too many dependencies, but equivs seems far better
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• 2577[20:06:09] <sney> yep equivs is great
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• 2582[20:06:34] <sney> it's a specific tool, and not good for every scenario, but when you need it there's nothing like it
• 2583[20:07:08] <trek00> it seems simpler than modifying the offender package
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• 2624[20:08:50] <trek00> i don't upgrade libgtk since ages, because i don't want to modify again and again to remove dependencies, but with equivs there isn't this issue
• 2625[20:09:00] <sponix> trek00: this was my solution using equivs -> replaced-url
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• 2634[20:10:34] <pasiz> annadane: could you elaborate more i would like to understand your "reverse" dependency philosophy?
• 2635[20:10:53] <annadane> it's not really a philosophy, i just confuse the two all the time
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• 2638[20:11:21] <trek00> sponix: it's fantastic, it give back the freedom of choice from maintainer tastes to the user needs
• 2639[20:11:23] <annadane> also, what is folding home?
• 2640[20:11:39] <greycat> folding-at-home was an old distributed computing project
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• 2642[20:11:49] <greycat> protein folding brute forcer
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• 2644[20:12:03] <sponix> annadane: uses your rig to help mainly colleges do computing for finding cures for things -- pretty much
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• 2646[20:12:31] <pasiz> annadane: but not in this time?
• 2647[20:12:38] <annadane> it would be great if we could advertise debian or the debian med blend as "the thing that helped cure the coronavirus"
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• 2649[20:13:19] <annadane> replaced-url
• 2650[20:13:28] <sponix> annadane: well, if there isn't already a "Debian" team to join -- then you should make one
• 2651[20:13:28] <annadane> that isn't the right page
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• 2653[20:13:35] <annadane> replaced-url
• 2654[20:13:51] <annadane> oh hey there's one for covid-19 too
• 2655[20:13:52] <sponix> annadane: a team name is a easy method to get some recognition to how much computing power you are helping out with
• 2656[20:13:55] <annadane> i didn't even realize that
• 2657[20:14:30] <annadane> so yeah, we literally can do that :P
• 2658[20:14:32] <sponix> I had 4 CPU cores dedicated right now. After I get a reboot on my rig, and if I can get the GUI to run again, I'll be adding my 2nd GPU to the cause also
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• 2673[20:20:45] <sponix2ipfw> annadane: figure I have a handful of spare CPU cores and a extra GPU. Might as well burn a little electricity to join in
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• 2675[20:22:00] <annadane> it's pretty cool as a concept to be using an os that nasa uses and that researchers use, purely in my case to like, listen to music and browse the internet
• 2676[20:22:19] <greycat> universal operating system
• 2677[20:22:38] <sponix2ipfw> trek00: the level of knowledge in here amazes me at times
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• 2685[20:24:33] * trek00 thanks sponix2ipfw with a beer :)
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• 2694[20:31:00] <sponix2ipfw> Arch Linux and EVGA have teams
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• 2697[20:31:21] <sponix2ipfw> So does Linux Mint
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• 2705[20:36:09] <Surfer2011> hello, can someone help me with this # fix MBR for USB boot --> isohybrid <--- but this is not available for raspbian
• 2706[20:36:25] <Surfer2011> what would be a replacement for this?
• 2707[20:36:28] <greycat> !raspbian
• 2708[20:36:28] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 2709[20:36:56] <sparky4_> replaced-url
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• 2715[20:38:54] <sparky4_> aargh!
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• 2717[20:39:51] <sney> hmm, a 5-line log that tells you explicitly what the problem is
• 2718[20:39:59] <sney> we could all be so lucky.
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• 2720[20:40:37] <sponix2ipfw> annadane: site is a bit clunky but I did manage to find Debian has a team with the ID of 2019
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• 2722[20:42:40] <annadane> "Sorry, Windows encountered an error."
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• 2728[20:45:51] <f-a> I have a text file with very-long-lines.
• 2729[20:46:03] <f-a> is there a pager which can word-break at circa 80cols or so?
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• 2732[20:46:15] <greycat> fold
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• 2736[20:47:19] <f-a> excellent, thanks
• 2737[20:48:01] <greycat> also fmt, because choice
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• 2798[21:18:02] <Navalex> Hi everyone, i got a VPS at OVH with Debian 10, I'm trying to run an Icecast2 server (installed with apt), but can't access to the admin panel at all
• 2799[21:18:21] <Navalex> I talk with someone in the #icecast channel and they said that debian probably blocking the port
• 2800[21:18:26] <Navalex> Is there an issue like that ?
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• 2804[21:19:27] <sponix> Okay, I am now Folding @ Home for team Debian (ID number 2019) with 5 Cores, and 2 GTX 960 4GB Cards :)
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• 2807[21:21:08] <rockstorm> Hi all, is anybody familiar with the development of the kernel? I believe I'm affected by this bug replaced-url
• 2808[21:21:11] <ratrace> Navalex: check it with iptables -L -n
• 2809[21:21:24] <rockstorm> Am I right in thinking it is still open and not fixed?
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• 2811[21:22:06] <ratrace> rockstorm: looks like it unless they forgot to update the bug
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• 2816[21:23:03] <Navalex> ratrace i Got
• 2817[21:23:06] <Navalex> Uploaded file: replaced-url
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• 2819[21:23:13] <rockstorm> I believe I'm using kernel 5.4.19-1, I thought it'd be fixed by now :(
• 2820[21:23:35] <Navalex> And i used nmap navalex.net -p 8000, and it said it was filtered
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• 2822[21:23:55] <Navalex> I used iRedMail script to setup a mail server, I supposed it installed a firewall ?
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• 2825[21:24:03] <ratrace> Navalex: that only means nothing is listening. you sure the service is up and running? configured to listen on public interfaces?
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• 2829[21:24:44] <ratrace> Navalex: your iptables chains are empty, there's no "firewall" unless... nftables is used.. dunno about that.
• 2830[21:24:45] <Navalex> Which services ? Icecast ?
• 2831[21:24:48] <ratrace> yes
• 2832[21:24:58] <Navalex> Yeah it supposed to be running
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• 2834[21:25:25] <ratrace> Navalex: in addition, check if you're accessing the server via IPv6 or v4, and if the service is configured correctly for either or both of those
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• 2836[21:25:48] <ratrace> Navalex: you can list what's listening with ss -4lnp and -6lnp
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• 2839[21:26:44] <Navalex> Yeah I actually got Icecast2 listening on 0.0.0.0:8000
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• 2842[21:27:31] <ratrace> Navalex: then make sure you're not trying it over ipv6. also, check if there's any OVH-side HW firewall rules in effect
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• 2846[21:27:50] <Navalex> OVH don't have firewall
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• 2848[21:28:00] <ratrace> yes they do
• 2849[21:28:23] <ratrace> oh you mean, they do but none is set up?
• 2850[21:28:44] <ratrace> (no rule is)
• 2851[21:29:05] <Navalex> Yeah i guess
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• 2853[21:29:18] <ratrace> don't guess, be sure.
• 2854[21:29:33] <Navalex> I tried to run a Shoutcast server some days before, and it was working well on the same port
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• 2865[21:33:04] <Navalex> Ok si i checked my OVH panel, i can setup a firewall, but there is not by default
• 2866[21:33:08] <Navalex> And i didn't activated it
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• 2889[21:49:41] <watom> Navalex what if you curl localhost:8000
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• 2893[21:52:19] <annadane> i'm trying to copy a file with a ' in it to my external hdd and i can't get bash to autocomplete it despite using \
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• 2895[21:52:28] <annadane> quotes won't do it either
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• 2899[21:53:09] <annadane> the file name itself is single quoted, maybe that's the issue
• 2900[21:53:18] <enoq> hi, what's the recommended way to install nodejs 12 on stable?
• 2901[21:53:20] <enoq> afaik there are no backports yet
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• 2903[21:53:26] <sponix2ipfw> annadane: good luck
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• 2905[21:53:59] <annadane> never mind, i just copied the file name in single quotes and it went successfully
• 2906[21:54:00] <watom> annadane you can try *name*
• 2907[21:54:01] <annadane> i'm really smart :/
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• 2909[21:54:19] <sponix2ipfw> enoq: node.js is such a pain I normally do it in a vm
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• 2911[21:54:44] <annadane> it's there, i just can't autocomplete with bash
• 2912[21:54:44] <enoq> sponix2ipfw: you are right, will look at that thanks
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• 2914[21:56:00] <annadane> you know what? screw it, i'll rename the file and copy it that way
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• 2916[21:57:07] <sponix2ipfw> enoq: last node.js project I did was crypto related with Ubuntu Server and it wasn't fun at all
• 2917[21:57:20] <sponix2ipfw> annadane: that's the spirit
• 2918[21:57:46] <enoq> sponix2ipfw: usually I put that stuff into containers but docker swarm is a pain for my private server and I didn't read into k8s yet
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• 2924[21:58:51] <sponix2ipfw> enoq: kvm with virt-manager is pretty light
• 2925[21:59:25] <sponix2ipfw> Less headache than Docker too imho
• 2926[21:59:42] <annadane> if i could run vm's without a gui like virt-manager, i would, but ugh anything qemu related just has a billion options
• 2927[21:59:57] <annadane> why do i apotrophotize? VMs.
• 2928[22:01:24] <enoq> sponix2ipfw: thanks will look into it
• 2929[22:01:43] <sponix2ipfw> annadane: I'm lazy enough that I normally create the VM with virt-manager and if I want use virtsh to launch it naked later
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• 2932[22:03:10] <annadane> it's funny how many dependencies it installs
• 2933[22:03:21] <annadane> and no, i won't "just use gnome-boxes"
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• 2939[22:06:23] <sponix2ipfw> annadane: that install process is a hot mess
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• 2942[22:07:44] <annadane> it usually ends up being "107 packages to be installed"
• 2943[22:07:49] <annadane> on my end
• 2944[22:08:13] <annadane> other monster installs include calibre and mpv
• 2945[22:08:28] <annadane> speaking of which...
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• 2947[22:08:33] * annadane uninstalls youtube-dl
• 2948[22:08:53] <sponix2ipfw> sponix2ipfw: Ubuntu had it all as a one click meta package install on a short term release prior. But when LTS dropped it didn't make it in that way
• 2949[22:08:55] <annadane> (because it got pulled in by mpv)
• 2950[22:09:06] <annadane> did you just ping yourself?
• 2951[22:09:14] <sponix2ipfw> Oh I'm talking to myself now
• 2952[22:09:29] <annadane> i mean i'm sure you're very interesting as a person
• 2953[22:09:33] <sponix2ipfw> annadane: stupid cell phone
• 2954[22:09:33] <annadane> i'd probably do the same
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• 2956[22:09:44] <sponix2ipfw> lol
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• 2994[22:23:49] <mefistofeles> hey, so I have a server with a bunch of users but none of them has the skeletal configuration files from /etc/skel... is there a way to easily have all users from a system copy them automatically?
• 2995[22:24:03] <mefistofeles> maybe some usermod parameter or something like that?
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• 2997[22:26:13] <sponix2ipfw> mefistofeles: you could script a cp with a bash one liner or such
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• 3002[22:28:29] <mefistofeles> sponix2ipfw: yeah, that should work, thanks, I was just wondering if there was something for that case already created
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• 3042[22:45:38] <blackop> hi
• 3043[22:45:53] <blackop> how can i set scale of my desktop appearance?
• 3044[22:46:17] <blackop> it is old thinkpad with 1024x768px resolution and everything looks giant on screen
• 3045[22:46:26] <blackop> fonts-icons ..etc
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• 3048[22:51:30] <blackop> nobody?
• 3049[22:51:32] <blackop> hmm
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• 3052[22:52:55] <lxsameer> blackop: use lxappearance
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• 3054[22:53:11] <blackop> what does it do?
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• 3056[22:53:33] <blackop> i am on xfce for the info
• 3057[22:53:44] <lxsameer> oops sorry
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• 3059[22:54:10] <lxsameer> I don't know about any desktop env but you can change your resolution with xrandr
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• 3062[22:55:11] <blackop> .deb xrandr
• 3063[22:55:20] <blackop> what was the command i forgot
• 3064[22:55:37] <lxsameer> you should already have it installed
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• 3067[22:56:49] <blackop> i dont think i have it
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• 3069[22:58:25] <greycat> it's in the x11-xserver-utils package
• 3070[22:58:48] <blackop> i dont have that either
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• 3072[22:59:01] <blackop> is it ok to install it on xfce ?
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• 3074[22:59:09] <greycat> yes
• 3075[23:00:03] <blackop> it seems i have it
• 3076[23:00:31] <blackop> ok i ran xrandr and it seems i have already set to max
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• 3078[23:00:39] <blackop> which is 1024x768
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• 3081[23:01:27] <blackop> what i mean is for example on windows before installing graphics driver everything looks bigger and after graphics driver installed it looks nicer
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• 3086[23:01:48] <blackop> my desktop now looks like before installing graphics driver even it is set to max resolution already
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• 3092[23:03:13] <usney> I forgot what is the method to download source code through debian or other repo for deb files and to compile them and make a deb file?
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• 3094[23:03:27] <usney> I did it a long time ago but I have forgotten how to do it.
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• 3096[23:03:57] <usney> I need to do it so I can compile software for armv7
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• 3112[23:12:33] <lwp> !cross compiling
• 3113[23:12:33] <dpkg> To cross-compile your package: replaced-url
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• 3115[23:13:21] <driuft> hi everyone, would it be appropriate to ask for help with pip install in here if I'm running kali? first time user
• 3116[23:14:00] <somiaj> !kali
• 3117[23:14:01] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 3118[23:14:16] <driuft> perfect, thank you!
• 3119[23:14:22] <somiaj> Also if this is your first time running linux, kali is most likely not what you want.
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• 3121[23:14:30] <driuft> first time running an irc
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• 3123[23:15:15] <somiaj> !whynotpentesting
• 3124[23:15:16] <dpkg> For some reasons why Kali/Parrot/Other based-on-Debian penetration testing distributions shouldn't be used as a home desktop, see replaced-url
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• 3127[23:15:51] <somiaj> Anyways, for pip a python channel might be useful, if there are kali specific issues, use kali support, though in general lots of people using kali would be better off using an actual distro vs a pen testing distro.
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• 3131[23:17:45] <driuft> to give some background, I was specifically using virtualbox with kali to get started in hackthebox.eu, but I have been breaking my head on setting up pip and impacket's git repo
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• 3133[23:18:54] <somiaj> Kali isn't a fully enabled distro so some things just don't work right out of the box. Kali's webpage even states this. I was just pointing out that sometimes things are easier to learn on a full distro if you are newish to linux.
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• 3137[23:19:51] <somiaj> Though we don't support kali here and are unsure what things it does by default, so you could try their support.
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• 3140[23:20:44] <somiaj> (I don't know what hackthebox.eu is, so unsure if another linux distro would be usful to learn on)
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• 3146[23:22:25] <driuft> I appreciate that and I'll definitely look into setting up debian as a distro
• 3147[23:22:50] <driuft> the only other distro they recommended was parrot but I have no prior knowledge of that whatsoever
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• 3154[23:24:31] <sponix> driuft: parrot is another pen testing distro like Kali. It is better at attempting to break into folks, than being secure itself, and actually being usable as a general system
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• 3158[23:25:48] <otyugh> hey there. I've got a weird behaviour on debian buster. I can't seem to be able to log as root from "su". I tried several time to set a different password (using sudo), the password get updated in /etc/shadow but then I still can't log from "su -"
• 3159[23:25:56] <somiaj> !kaliovernight
• 3160[23:26:02] <somiaj> !kali overnight
• 3161[23:26:02] <dpkg> Installing Parrot or Kali on your computer will not make you into a security expert overnight. If you really want to have those skills, install a general purpose linux distro like Debian (replaced-url
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• 3163[23:26:24] <otyugh> somiaj, what are your suggesting ?
• 3164[23:26:39] <otyugh> I'm using a standard debian buster
• 3165[23:26:58] <otyugh> oops
• 3166[23:27:02] <somiaj> driuft: ^^, anyways, kali and parrort are pen testing distros and have some things that help make this 'easier', but they are not very easy to learn on. They are good distros for those who want to do pen testing and have linux experience, but I think if learning linux at the same time, a full distro is a good place to start.
• 3167[23:27:20] <otyugh> sorry answered too fast ;..;
• 3168[23:27:34] <somiaj> otyugh: when you type in 'su -' are you using roots password or the users password?
• 3169[23:27:45] <otyugh> root password of course
• 3170[23:27:53] <somiaj> otyugh: is the root account locked?
• 3171[23:27:55] <otyugh> this is really confusing to me
• 3172[23:28:04] <otyugh> How can I check ?
• 3173[23:28:12] <otyugh> is that a new default in debian ?
• 3174[23:28:39] <somiaj> in the shadow file it will often have a ! (maybe some other character) at the start of the password hash.
• 3175[23:28:58] <somiaj> I don't know if it is default or not, I think if you don't set up a root password during the install it locks the account and then sets up sudo.
• 3176[23:29:09] <somiaj> but it could be the account is just locked, 'man passwd' look at the -l option
• 3177[23:29:32] <otyugh> Mhm
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• 3179[23:29:42] <otyugh> it doesn't start with a "!" in shadows, thought
• 3180[23:29:46] <otyugh> would have made sense
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• 3182[23:31:11] <driuft> thank you somiaj
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• 3185[23:31:58] <somiaj> otyugh: hmm, well passwd seems to suggest that it could als be due to an expieration date. Now by default I don't think this would be an issue. Could it be you just didn't set the password correctly for root?
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• 3187[23:32:14] <otyugh> well
• 3188[23:32:27] <otyugh> "sudo su -" "passwd"
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• 3190[23:32:48] <otyugh> "password updated successfully"
• 3191[23:32:58] <otyugh> then from the user perspective "su -"
• 3192[23:33:02] <otyugh> and nope
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• 3194[23:33:29] <somiaj> outside of the account being locked or having some expired date (as per the info in man passwd under -l) I can't think of anything else that could be causing this issue.
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• 3196[23:33:59] <otyugh> If I read the passwd man correctly, the expire date would not allow me to log as root at all
• 3197[23:34:23] <somiaj> yea, so I'm not sure what is going on.
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• 3202[23:36:25] <jojobro30> hey i am trying to run a program and while in the directory with sudo privledges I this error. "error while loading shared libraries: libcryptopp.so.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory". I tried to do my due diligence but could not find any leads. Any help is appreciated. This is for a third party music player I am trying
• 3203[23:36:26] <jojobro30> to reinstall on an ipod.
• 3204[23:36:49] <somiaj> jojobro30: where did you get this third party program?
• 3205[23:36:51] <lwp> I never liked the habit of "sudo su -". seems kludgey. why not try: sudo passwd root
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• 3207[23:37:07] <jojobro30> @somiaj its rockbox
• 3208[23:37:15] <somiaj> lwp: or just sudo -i
• 3209[23:37:20] <otyugh> twp same
• 3210[23:37:23] <somiaj> jojobro30: where, did you just download some binary?
• 3211[23:37:23] <otyugh> lwp*
• 3212[23:37:27] <somiaj> otyugh: then use sudo -i
• 3213[23:37:50] <jojobro30> @somiaj yeah from replaced-url
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• 3215[23:37:58] <otyugh> still doesn't explain why "su" would not work
• 3216[23:38:07] <otyugh> darn.
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• 3218[23:38:20] <otyugh> This is like a core stuff é_è
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• 3221[23:39:15] <somiaj> jojobro30: when downloading binaries, you also need the libaries they were built with. It appears this requires the libary libcryptopp.so.8 which wasn't installed on your system.
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• 3224[23:40:14] <somiaj> jojobro30: I am trying to see if that libary is included in debian but am not finding it. The closest I get is is libcrypto++-dev, it contains /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcryptopp.so but might not be the right version of the libary (and it seems strange to me you would need a -dev package)
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• 3226[23:41:28] <jojobro30> @somiaj I have downloaded rockbox before on this system. The mindset was to download the newer version and delete the older version (which I did. I think..... )
• 3227[23:42:10] <somiaj> You might have better luck building the package from source vs downloading the binary
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• 3229[23:42:55] <jojobro30> @somiaj never did that. Whats the best way to do that. Or is it a "just youtube it" thing
• 3230[23:43:00] <somiaj> but what you are running into is an issue where the binary that you are using requires a libary that is not on your system.
• 3231[23:43:59] <somiaj> jojobro30: it appears that debian shipps with libcrypto++6, and this libary is version 8. There are some hacks you can try, but it looks like this binary may not run on debian due to the version of libcrypto++ being used.
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• 3233[23:44:47] <roylaprattep> hi guys
• 3234[23:44:50] <somiaj> if you have libcrypto++6 you could try to make a link from libcryptopp.so.8 to libcryptopp.so.6 (what debian has) and see if it works. Chances are it won't
• 3235[23:44:55] <roylaprattep> whats replacing phpmyadmin in buster?!
• 3236[23:45:05] <roylaprattep> its not there anymore
• 3237[23:45:16] <somiaj> jojobro30: from what I'm seeing, buliding the package from source is probably prefered on debian due to the older libcrypto.
• 3238[23:45:24] <somiaj> roylaprattep: buster is frozen, so nothing is replacing it in buster.
• 3239[23:45:26] <somiaj> ,v phpmyadmin
• 3240[23:45:28] <judd> Package: phpmyadmin on amd64 -- jessie: 4:4.2.12-2+deb8u2; jessie-security: 4:4.2.12-2+deb8u9; stretch: 4:4.6.6-4; stretch-proposed-updates: 4:4.6.6-4+deb9u1; bullseye: 4:4.9.5+dfsg1-2; sid: 4:4.9.5+dfsg1-2
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• 3242[23:45:47] <roylaprattep> so, no way to have it except from their website
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• 3244[23:46:06] <jojobro30> @i just installed libcrypto . Gonna see if anything changes
• 3245[23:46:13] <jojobro30> somiaj
• 3246[23:46:28] <roylaprattep> but what you mean by frozen? and why they removed it? security flaws?
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• 3249[23:46:43] <somiaj> jojobro30: it most likely won't, since it is version 6 and not 8, and one would have to make a hack to try to force it
• 3250[23:46:51] <somiaj> roylaprattep: replaced-url
• 3251[23:46:53] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 3254[23:47:31] <jojobro30> @somiaj version 9? replaced-url
• 3255[23:47:40] <roylaprattep> thx
• 3256[23:47:43] <jojobro30> somiaj thats what i installed
• 3257[23:47:49] <somiaj> roylaprattep: seems they couldn't get it updated to the newer version in time to fix the issues, and due to busters release it had to be removed. Since I don't see it in buster-backports, the options are basically install from upstream, or see if you can build the bullseye package on debian and matain your own package.
• 3258[23:48:12] <roylaprattep> somiaj: adminer is good?
• 3259[23:48:35] <roylaprattep> upstreams?
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• 3261[23:48:42] <roylaprattep> sorry im french man
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• 3263[23:48:56] <somiaj> roylaprattep: upstream is the actual developers of phpmyadmin and install it from their site.
• 3264[23:49:06] <annadane> and yet you still used "their" correctly unlike 99% of english speakers
• 3265[23:49:12] <annadane> major kudos
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• 3268[23:49:21] <somiaj> jojobro30: I don't know what that jessie package is, but even though it is called ++9, it is only version 5.6.1
• 3269[23:49:27] <johnfg> hi folks
• 3270[23:49:32] <annadane> hello john
• 3271[23:49:35] <somiaj> jojobro30: the binary you have is not build against debian's libs, compile from source is the best bet.
• 3272[23:50:32] <roylaprattep> somiaj: haha thank you
• 3273[23:50:51] <roylaprattep> annadane: thank you
• 3274[23:50:55] <somiaj> roylaprattep: I see basically two choices, manually install phpmyadmin from upstream. Build the buster package to install on debian.
• 3275[23:51:10] <somiaj> arg build the bullseye package to install on buster.
• 3276[23:51:25] <somiaj> (I wouldn't isntall the bullseye package, but rebuild it against buster's libs)
• 3277[23:51:28] <johnfg> I'd like to be able to do systemct --user enable <whatever.service>, but it keeps failing when I run it with: Failed to enable unit: Process org.freedesktop.systemd1 exited with status 1
• 3278[23:51:29] <roylaprattep> what's the bullseye package?
• 3279[23:51:38] <johnfg> systemctl
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• 3281[23:52:07] <somiaj> roylaprattep: it is phpmyadmin, seems after busters release they got the new 4.9 version in debian, they just weren'
• 3282[23:52:15] <somiaj> roylaprattep: wern't able to get it into buster due to timing of the release.
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• 3286[23:52:24] <johnfg> I do have $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000, but still get the error.
• 3287[23:52:25] <somiaj> !tell roylaprattep about ssb
• 3288[23:52:52] <somiaj> roylaprattep: the bot sent you some instructions that may work to build the package from buster.
• 3289[23:52:53] <roylaprattep> ok, you mean the sources are available?
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• 3291[23:53:09] <somiaj> roylaprattep: (note you get no security support for this, which may be something to consider with phpmyadmin)
• 3292[23:53:10] <annadane> should be a "waaaaaaait, we're an upstream project for something that exists in debian and if you delay juuuuust a bit more your experience using our product will be a lot better" :P
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• 3294[23:53:28] <annadane> rfd, request for delay. :P
• 3295[23:53:42] <somiaj> roylaprattep: all sources to debian packages are always avaiable.
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• 3297[23:54:27] <roylaprattep> somiaj: yea i know, i was talking about phpmyadmin only.
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• 3299[23:54:42] <roylaprattep> i just tought it would not be since this.
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• 3301[23:55:19] <roylaprattep> i will try adminer instead.<
• 3302[23:55:28] <roylaprattep> seems more powerful.
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• 3306[23:56:09] <roylaprattep> times for a change. as this crisis.
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• 3310[23:58:19] <roylaprattep> or a better solution, learn mysql cli.
• 3311[23:59:34] <somiaj> I'm surprised they haven't put it into buster-backports (though maybe due to security concerns and because of what phpmyadmin does, they may opt not to)
• 3312[23:59:43] <sney> yeah phpmyadmin is fine if you have hosting clients who need to be able to manage their own website's db and you don't want to give them shell access
• 3313[23:59:53] <sney> but if it's just you, learn it on the command line
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