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3[00:00:49] <jsync> Oh. Cool, sney. Then I could just use a basic system install without networking, & download off my local repo after I configure it in a fresh installed system.
4[00:00:54] <zenon_> hi there -- i wonder if there is any qmail package with the debug symbols? i can't find any
5[00:00:55] <sney> yep
6[00:01:20] <sney> zenon_: doesn't look like it
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8[00:01:24] <jsync> That's super cool. Thanks.
9[00:01:30] <zenon_> sney: that sucks big time, then :/
10[00:01:31] <sney> jsync: no problem
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27[00:08:55] <reisepr> hi folks
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31[00:09:16] <reisepr> ive got an debian 10 with an nginx server (fresh installed from a template)
32[00:09:52] <reisepr> but the nginx dose not want to start do to port 443 in use but netstat dosnt show anything...
33[00:09:55] <reisepr> any ideas?
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37[00:12:23] <reisepr> replaced-url
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41[00:14:36] <reisepr> ill check the config now if there is port 443 used to much times
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43[00:14:55] <lwp> b1ack0p, just one other question: how did you become root in this session ?
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47[00:17:01] <sney> lwp: if iw can't be installed manually due to missing deps, then it's not a PATH issue.
48[00:17:22] <b1ack0p> sney:
49[00:17:33] <b1ack0p> lwp: su -
50[00:17:47] <b1ack0p> sney: i installed all packages and run ifup wlp2s2
51[00:17:55] <b1ack0p> it didnt give any error this time
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53[00:18:09] <b1ack0p> it shows bound to xxx.xxx.xx.xx.
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55[00:18:16] <sney> ok, then wifi is working!
56[00:18:20] <b1ack0p> renewal in 34256 seconds
57[00:18:27] <b1ack0p> am i connected now?
58[00:18:29] <sney> yes
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60[00:18:46] <sney> run 'tasksel' and choose what you want to install
61[00:18:52] <b1ack0p> how can i set debian download directory?
62[00:18:53] <b1ack0p> .deb
63[00:19:06] <b1ack0p> for update repositories etc?
64[00:19:12] <sney> you don't, that stuff is internal
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66[00:19:28] <b1ack0p> i just run apt update but it gave error
67[00:19:44] <sney> you need to say what the error is
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69[00:19:56] <b1ack0p> cdrom ..
70[00:20:13] <sney> ok, 'apt edit-sources' and make sure it has this:
71[00:20:16] <sney> !buster sources.list
72[00:20:16] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
73[00:20:18] <b1ack0p> cdrom://debian gnu/linux .. unofficial i386 netinst with firmware 2020002
74[00:20:36] <sney> you can delete the cdrom lines or just comment them out with #
75[00:20:54] <reisepr> b,
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80[00:22:00] <reisepr> b1ack0p, did you check your env? i had once the problem that i was root but /sbin and /usr/sbin was missing in my exported $PATH...
81[00:22:22] <sney> that has nothing to do with this
82[00:23:20] <mzajc> I was testing oom-killer by running a very memory-intensive process (that consumed all of my memory) and oom-killer didn't do anything about it. Why is that?
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87[00:24:35] <b1ack0p> sney: when i type tasksel nothing happens
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89[00:25:08] <sney> b1ack0p: did you update sources.list to match what dpkg said above?
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92[00:25:50] <b1ack0p> yes i ran apt update and full-upgrade already
93[00:25:58] <b1ack0p> no error
94[00:26:07] <b1ack0p> i updated 1 package it asked that s all
95[00:26:23] <sney> ok, I don't know what's up with tasksel but it's not completely necessary. what do you want to install, gnome desktop?
96[00:26:33] <b1ack0p> xfce
97[00:26:55] <b1ack0p> and default firefox
98[00:27:07] <sney> ok, 'apt install task-xfce-desktop' will get you all of that
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100[00:27:21] <b1ack0p> how can i get default packages inside the original installer that didnt install because i was not connected to internet?
101[00:27:30] <mzajc> don't install tasks
102[00:27:32] <b1ack0p> libreoffice and everything?
103[00:27:34] <mzajc> they're usually bloated
104[00:27:35] <sney> that is literally what the command I just gave you will do
105[00:27:45] <sney> mzajc: relax with subjective stuff
106[00:27:59] <mzajc> he specified that he wants xfce and firefox
107[00:28:12] <mzajc> I assume the task contains a list of other applications
108[00:28:22] <b1ack0p> mzajc: it is ok i want what it gives
109[00:28:26] <jhutchins> mzajc: Tasks install a default set of packages likely to satisfy most users. Disk space is cheap.
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111[00:28:29] <b1ack0p> i dont wanna face blank desktop
112[00:28:41] <mzajc> suit yourself
113[00:29:02] <b1ack0p> sney: unable to locate task-xfce-desktop
114[00:29:45] <mzajc> huh
115[00:29:45] <sney> are you sure you updated your sources.list to match what dpkg said above? check it again
116[00:30:02] <sney> I bet you are missing: deb replaced-url
117[00:30:06] <mzajc> your sources.list may be messed up a bit
118[00:30:31] <b1ack0p> if i reboot will i loose the wifi connection?
119[00:30:35] <sney> no
120[00:30:45] <sney> it's in interfaces, it'll come up automatically
121[00:31:21] <b1ack0p> sney: in /etc/apt/sources.list i # commented out the 2 lines starting with deb cdrom
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123[00:31:44] <b1ack0p> and uncomment other things deb http.. securite ..buster/updates/ main contrib non free
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125[00:32:04] <b1ack0p> deb-src http security bustr updares
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127[00:32:14] <sney> <sney> I bet you are missing: deb replaced-url
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130[00:32:27] <b1ack0p> deb http deb debian org debian debian/ buster-updates
131[00:32:46] <sney> buster and buster-updates are not the same thing
132[00:32:48] <jim> that's not it
133[00:32:49] <b1ack0p> deb-src hhttp deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates
134[00:32:54] <sney> you need *both*
135[00:32:55] <b1ack0p> thats all i have
136[00:33:03] <jim> ok,
137[00:33:11] <dvs> !buster sources.list
138[00:33:11] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
139[00:33:13] <sney> stop typing and read what I have told you in the past few minutes
140[00:33:13] <b1ack0p> 4 things i have in sources list
141[00:33:18] <sney> b1ack0p: stop typing and read what I have told you in the past few minutes
142[00:33:34] <jim> b1ack0p, are you running linux now?
143[00:33:39] <b1ack0p> main missing
144[00:33:55] <b1ack0p> jim: i am typing on different machine windows/cygwin
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148[00:34:25] <sney> jim: this started with network problems so they are on irc separately from their debian machine
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150[00:34:32] <blazer> hi all
151[00:34:39] <jim> hi
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157[00:35:31] <blazer> do sameone use easystroke ?
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159[00:35:44] <annadane> blazer, what is your actual question?
160[00:35:54] <b1ack0p> sney: i added deb http deb.debian.org/debian buster main but tasksel still not working
161[00:36:02] <annadane> also, apparently it isn't in debian stable
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164[00:36:12] <jim> b1ack0p, add this line: deb replaced-url
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166[00:36:29] <annadane> yeah, easystroke is not packaged in debian
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169[00:36:53] <jim> how is tasksel not working? what behavior do you observe?
170[00:37:02] <b1ack0p> jim: i added already
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172[00:37:08] <blazer> how do i install easystroke on debian ?
173[00:37:12] <b1ack0p> i just type tasksel as root
174[00:37:21] <jim> b1ack0p, ok, apt update
175[00:37:51] <Mathisen> blazer, replaced-url
176[00:37:55] <annadane> easystroke seems to be similar to xdotool
177[00:37:59] <jim> then try tasksel
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179[00:38:02] <annadane> yeah or just follow that link
180[00:38:04] <b1ack0p> running very slow
181[00:38:06] <b1ack0p> apt update
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184[00:38:25] <jim> ok, it's downloading stuff?
185[00:38:39] <blazer> Mathisen, not exist package on repository deb
186[00:38:47] <annadane> "NOTE: As for now, easystroke is in an unmaintained state." "The last release was on 23. March 2013, so ~6 Years ago."
187[00:38:48] <sney> with that old wifi card "very slow" is going to be the way it is
188[00:38:51] <b1ack0p> yea with 481 B/s speed
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190[00:39:08] <b1ack0p> not downloading just Getting list of updates
191[00:39:11] <b1ack0p> or getting
192[00:39:26] <blazer> annadane, aaa ok
193[00:39:29] <jim> that's a kind of download :)
194[00:39:30] <sney> b1ack0p: yep, just let it do that, go have lunch or something and come back later
195[00:39:34] <annadane> as i said, easystroke seems suspiciously similar to xdotool which *is* packaged for debian... but i'm not completely sure, and also i don't know what features specifically you're looking for
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197[00:39:42] <blazer> annadane, do you know a valid alternative ?
198[00:39:46] <annadane> see above ^
199[00:39:54] <b1ack0p> fastened 445 kbps
200[00:40:26] <b1ack0p> only 1 pack is going to update "sudo"
201[00:40:29] <jim> that's a lot faster than 481 b/s
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203[00:40:33] <b1ack0p> now finished updates
204[00:40:55] <jim> ok, see if tasksel works
205[00:41:05] <b1ack0p> nope
206[00:41:08] <b1ack0p> oh wait
207[00:41:10] <b1ack0p> yes working
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209[00:41:38] <b1ack0p> what is Debian desktop environment?
210[00:41:46] <b1ack0p> at first thing on the list
211[00:41:51] <b1ack0p> above GNOME
212[00:42:10] <jim> it's a style of GUI
213[00:42:15] <jim> a desktop
214[00:42:22] <b1ack0p> isnt it default Gnome desktop alreadY?
215[00:42:37] <jim> maybe... are you running gnome now?
216[00:42:42] <sney> debian desktop environment is the category. gnome, kde, xfce etc are the individual desktops that are available
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218[00:42:52] <sney> jim: they don't have anything right now. this was a failed netinstall
219[00:43:03] <jim> oh ok
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223[00:43:28] <jim> do you have any details?
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227[00:44:05] <sney> welp, I guess that's that
228[00:44:17] <jim> could be
229[00:44:17] <joepublic> "Debian desktop environment" is xorg, xserver-xorg-video-all, xserver-xorg-input-all, desktop-base
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232[00:44:34] <jim> yes I saW
233[00:44:47] <jim> that doesn't mean he won't rejoin
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240[00:46:08] <b1ack0p> i am having connection problems overall via wifi
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242[00:46:19] <b1ack0p> sney: thank you very much for your helps :)
243[00:46:34] <b1ack0p> you helped me a lot
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245[00:46:45] <joepublic> ... "Debian desktop environment" is xorg, xserver-xorg-video-all, xserver-xorg-input-all, desktop-base
246[00:46:59] <b1ack0p> installed xfce packages 146/1158 packages 32mins
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248[00:47:12] <b1ack0p> joepublic: as i remember it looks like debian isnt it?
249[00:47:27] <b1ack0p> s/installed/installing
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253[00:47:51] <b1ack0p> ok brb
254[00:48:36] <joepublic> it's the things you need for any graphical environment. by itself it probably looks like 1994.
255[00:49:26] <jim> b1ack0p, might as well go for lunch... if you watch it, it will be like watching grass grow
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258[00:50:35] <jim> not saying you shouldn't watch it... just that watching it won't make it go faster (neither will getting out and pushing)
259[00:51:37] <blazer> good night
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262[00:53:14] <annadane> apt install grass
263[00:53:26] <annadane> oh hey that's an actual package
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266[00:53:44] <annadane> ,i grass
267[00:53:45] <judd> Package grass (science, optional) in buster/amd64: Geographic Resources Analysis Support System (GRASS GIS). Version: 7.6.0-1; Size: 20.6k; Installed: 36k; Homepage: replaced-url
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269[00:54:35] <jim> annadane, if you look down the street, you can see a large truck with rolls of grass coming toward you
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271[00:55:12] <jim> , rdepends grass
272[00:56:23] <annadane> everyone always says "it's like watching paint dry" or "it's like watching grass grow" no one ever says "it's like watching gentoo compile libreoffice"
273[00:57:00] <jim> that one would be -really- bad...
274[00:58:05] <jim> when you say one of those, you probably need to consider your audience :)
275[00:58:52] <jim> off getting stuff... back in awhile
276[00:59:27] <dvs> apt purge grass --neighbor
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282[01:01:48] <jsync> Hey. I installed the wheezy base system & changed my sources.list to include replaced-url
283[01:02:21] <dvs> jsync, did you apt update first?
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285[01:02:44] <jsync> Yeah. It failed to fetch though.
286[01:03:14] <dvs> !wheezy sources.list
287[01:03:14] <dpkg> Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb replaced-url
288[01:03:19] <jsync> Temporary failure resolving archive.debian.org
289[01:03:25] <dvs> yeah, you forgot the "debian"
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291[01:03:57] <jsync> ?
292[01:04:19] <dvs> ^
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294[01:04:32] <jsync> Ohhh.
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297[01:06:19] <jsync> Thanks, man. That works!!
298[01:06:26] <jsync> 😁
299[01:06:31] <dvs> np
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301[01:07:41] <jsync> I really appreciate that. I'm trying to use wheezy as a base custom system for a home system that's running older software. I'm glad I could still get this installed.
302[01:07:51] <jsync> Have a great day!!
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304[01:08:13] <sney> (maybe it's the isolation but that quit message makes me laugh)
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306[01:08:38] <dvs> going insane are we?
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309[01:09:05] <sney> maybe.
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311[01:09:36] <annadane> monty pythons flying circus
312[01:09:38] <dvs> I was never sane in the first place so... ;-P
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327[01:24:40] <b1ack0p> jim: :p
328[01:24:56] <b1ack0p> it made me sleepy watching installation
329[01:24:58] <jim> back
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331[01:25:10] <b1ack0p> wb
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333[01:25:25] <jim> is that a good thing or a bad thing?
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335[01:25:39] <b1ack0p> well it is sleep time already but i dont wanna sleep
336[01:25:47] <b1ack0p> still installation is 56%
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339[01:28:29] <jim> well it's gonna be awhile
340[01:29:02] <jim> is it finished downloading packages?
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354[01:36:22] <interpol1> If you want to become a hacker and hack the NSA - connect to irc.grepnet.org and join #chats - talk to REAL HACKERS.
355[01:36:23] <interpol1> If you want to become a hacker and hack the NSA - connect to irc.grepnet.org and join #chats - talk to REAL HACKERS.
356[01:36:23] <interpol1> If you want to become a hacker and hack the NSA - connect to irc.grepnet.org and join #chats - talk to REAL HACKERS.
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358[01:36:23] <interpol1> If you want to become a hacker and hack the NSA - connect to irc.grepnet.org and join #chats - talk to REAL HACKERS.
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367[01:42:27] <sney> omg t3h h4x0rz
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376[01:46:11] <interpol1> Join irc.grepnet.org #chats and talk to REAL and LEGENDARY hackers like Edward Snowden and Julian Assange (they're online now!!!). irc.grepnet.org - world's most PRIVATE IRC server.
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380[01:46:26] <dvs> keep hackin'!
381[01:46:36] <joepublic> They're online now. my! what fun.
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383[01:49:55] <annadane> if it's the most private irc server why are they advertising it...
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385[01:50:20] <eruditehermit> Hey, I have a question about policykit. I am trying to debug why my policykit rule is not working. I have followed the example here: replaced-url
386[01:50:20] <eruditehermit> Any ideas why?
387[01:50:36] <eruditehermit> I am on Debian 9
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395[01:55:41] <jadax> I've got HP printer on the LAN network, cups doesn't find it
396[01:55:55] <jadax> is cups the best of the best debian can offer for printing?
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398[01:57:01] <dottie> irc.grepnet.org #chats - world's TOP HACKER IRC, even Edward Snowden is there, connect NOW or you're a loser.
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400[01:57:09] <annadane> fuck off...
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403[01:57:38] <joepublic> seem to have spelled "if" wrong
404[01:57:51] <gordonfish> annadane: That one hit #perl too
405[01:58:03] <sney> jadax: unfortunately. but if you install hplip it may improve things
406[01:58:06] <gordonfish> And #bash
407[01:58:10] <Kobaz> is there a buster backports sloppy?
408[01:58:57] <themill> Kobaz: no because there is no source yet for buster-backports-sloppy; it can't exist until buster is oldstable
409[01:59:04] <Kobaz> ah
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438[02:08:25] <querry> irc.grepnet.org #chats - world's TOP HACKER IRC, even Edward Snowden is there, connect NOW or you're a loser.
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446[02:13:26] <jsync> Hey. I need help with a few things. I installed Wheezy 64 bit, & the System Settings shows Chinese, & the Network Manager options are greyed out.
447[02:14:06] <Kobaz> wheezy? why
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449[02:14:24] <Kobaz> Debian 7 "Wheezy" support has reached its end-of-life on May 31, 2018,
450[02:14:33] <jsync> The programs that I use just work with Wheezy.
451[02:14:35] <Kobaz> That was four years ago
452[02:14:41] <sney> jsync: I'm assuming zh wasn't the locale you selected during the install?
453[02:15:00] <jsync> Right.
454[02:15:05] <Kobaz> jsync: commercial/propriatary?
455[02:15:32] <sney> I vaguely remember n-m being pretty crappy in the wheezy days. it might be valid to remove it and use wicd instead.
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457[02:15:41] <jsync> Just a home network. It's not even an online system.
458[02:15:47] <Kobaz> jsync: you can configure the network manually in /etc/network/interfaces
459[02:15:50] <Kobaz> and remove network manager
460[02:16:02] <sney> or that, yeah, if it's going to have a static network configuration
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464[02:16:29] <dottie> irc.grepnet.org #chats - world's TOP HACKER IRC, even Edward Snowden is there, connect NOW or you're a loser.
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466[02:17:28] <annadane> you can run debian 1 for all people care if you keep it walled off from the internet *shrug*
467[02:17:34] <sney> also, n-m doesn't touch any interfaces defined in /etc/network/interfaces by default, so if you have a definition in that file then that could be why n-m is grayed out.
468[02:17:48] <jsync> I like using the network manager. Once this system is configured, I'll just let it run the server software I'm using for a couple of desktop machines.
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473[02:20:56] <dottie> irc.grepnet.org #chats - world's TOP HACKER IRC, even Snowden and Stallman are there, connect NOW or you're a loser.
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476[02:21:18] <jsync> So, leave /etc/network/interfaces totally blank?
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478[02:23:05] <sney> yeah or comment the lines if you want to have them there for reference
479[02:23:33] <dvs> lo?
480[02:24:05] <sney> oh yes lo should be left alone
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482[02:25:10] <jsync> Keep the lo entry?
483[02:25:16] <sney> yes
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485[02:25:38] <Kobaz> no lo is bad
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487[02:25:49] <jsync> lo is the "Loopback" section?
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490[02:26:01] <Kobaz> yesa
491[02:26:51] <jsync> Cool. That worked.
492[02:27:44] <jsync> The language thing was something about the language highlighted upon login. I just needed to highlight "English".
493[02:27:53] <jsync> 🙂
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495[02:28:40] <dnattie> irc.grepnet.org #chats - world's TOP hacker IRC! Even Snowden and Stallman are there... Join NOW and connect with 1337!
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509[02:34:00] <blackop> back on old thinkpad t42
510[02:34:20] <blackop> well while i was playing with grub theme i ruined something i guess
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513[02:34:38] <annadane> breaking stuff is half the fun
514[02:34:40] <blackop> i wanted to remove background and make it look like default blue grub menu
515[02:34:58] <blackop> but it doesnt look blue menu it is gray/black
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517[02:35:18] <blackop> even i set 05 debian theme colors it shows black grey
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519[02:35:23] <blackop> how can i set it back?
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523[02:36:03] <annadena> Join IRC.GREPNET.ORG #CHATS IRC.GREPNET.ORG #CHATS IRC.GREPNET.ORG #CHATS IRC.GREPNET.ORG #CHATS IRC.GREPNET.ORG #CHATS IRC.GREPNET.ORG #CHATS - A TRUE HACKER IRC
524[02:36:03] <annadena> Join IRC.GREPNET.ORG #CHATS IRC.GREPNET.ORG #CHATS IRC.GREPNET.ORG #CHATS IRC.GREPNET.ORG #CHATS IRC.GREPNET.ORG #CHATS IRC.GREPNET.ORG #CHATS - A TRUE HACKER IRC
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526[02:36:10] <annadane> lmao
527[02:36:15] <blackop> what
528[02:36:27] <blackop> :p
529[02:36:29] <annadane> just some spammers, ignore it
530[02:36:42] <blackop> must be your fan lol
531[02:36:50] <annadane> i messaged one of them to screw off, i guess this is the retribution
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533[02:36:58] <blackop> yea
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538[02:39:43] <blackop> no idea about grub?
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540[02:40:23] <annadane> sorry, no
541[02:40:38] <blackop> kk
542[02:40:44] <annadane> well, you didn't really break anything if it just looks differently from what you wanted
543[02:40:47] <annadane> so easily fixable
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545[02:41:14] <annadane> but yeah i don't know much about grub
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548[02:41:40] <blackop> well i sometimes take notes for tweaking things so i applied my notes
549[02:41:45] <blackop> let me show you
550[02:41:56] <annadane> you may want to check man grub2 or /usr/share/doc/grub2
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553[02:43:12] <blackop> this is what i did: replaced-url
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555[02:44:18] <blackop> i copy pasted those GRUB lines in both dir : /etc/default/grub and /usr/share/grub/default/grub
556[02:44:25] <blackop> and then applied these commands :
557[02:44:35] <blackop> sudo chmod -x /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme
558[02:44:45] <blackop> sudo update-initramfs -u
559[02:44:51] <blackop> finally update-grub
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561[02:45:26] <blackop> btw /usr/share/doc/grub2 is empty
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563[02:45:34] <blackop> no such document i guess
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566[02:46:30] <trek00> blackop: usually you should not modify things under /usr but only things under /etc
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568[02:47:01] <blackop> hmmm maybe i did wrong there
569[02:47:09] <annadane> yeah or if you are going to do that don't edit both things that "do the same thing", ie have the same name
570[02:47:17] <annadane> because you realize what you're doing? you're guessing
571[02:47:18] <blackop> if someone has original file may i see how it looked like?
572[02:47:42] <trek00> blackop: you can reinstall grub to restore /usr/share/grub
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574[02:47:48] <blackop> well i didnt remember which file to edit so i pasted in both files
575[02:47:59] <blackop> how trek00 ?
576[02:48:03] <blackop> how to restore?
577[02:48:05] <Unit193> dpkg -S /usr/share/grub/default/grub then apt --reinstall install whatever it comes up with?
578[02:48:05] <dpkg> Package: /usr/share/grub/default/grub then apt --reinstall install whatever it comes up with: Status: install ok installed
579[02:48:16] <annadane> /usr/share/grub/default/grub: replaced-url
580[02:48:19] <blackop> ok
581[02:48:34] <blackop> also maybe i did mistake with chmod commands
582[02:48:51] <annadane> did you check the wiki? replaced-url
583[02:48:57] <blackop> sudo chmod -x /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme and sudo update-initramfs -u
584[02:49:32] <trek00> blackop: chmod is not an issue here
585[02:49:36] <blackop> what about /etc/default/grub?
586[02:49:40] <blackop> they look so same
587[02:49:57] <blackop> ok lets try to restore
588[02:50:13] <trek00> blackop: usually you need only to edit /etc/default/grub
589[02:50:22] <trek00> but i don't remember anything about themes
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592[02:50:45] <blackop> you are right in past i just edited 1 file in debian
593[02:50:53] <blackop> maybe my notes belongs to ubuntu grub
594[02:51:34] <blackop> Unit193: apt --reinstall install didnt bring anything
595[02:51:44] <blackop> wait
596[02:51:51] <trek00> blackop: apt reinstall grub2-common
597[02:51:54] <Unit193> blackop: It should generally have reinstalled that package, replacing the file in /usr/share/
598[02:52:15] <blackop> doesnt work
599[02:52:29] <trek00> what it says?
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601[02:53:03] <blackop> ah wait it s working
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603[02:53:29] <blackop> replaced-url
604[02:53:31] <blackop> did this
605[02:53:50] <trek00> good
606[02:53:57] <trek00> it should restored /usr/share files
607[02:54:26] <blackop> is grub background image back or blue menu back?
608[02:54:55] <trek00> i don't know :)
609[02:55:00] <trek00> wait a moment :)
610[02:55:01] <blackop> well i dont like debian installation with graphics that brings ugly background image on grub menu unlike command line installation
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613[02:55:43] <trek00> blackop: commenting this line should disable graphics: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
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616[02:55:57] <blackop> ok
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618[02:56:05] <blackop> in where? /etc/default/grub ?
619[02:56:16] <trek00> yes
620[02:56:20] <trek00> as you already did
621[02:56:30] <thespen> So I'm in a big pickle of a problem if anyone can help. Keep getting errors because I accidentally copied over libm.so.6
622[02:56:38] <trek00> but i don't know why it don't shows color
623[02:56:45] <jsync> What files can I get out of the wheezy archives with apt-mirror? "Main contrib non-free": Can I get "wheezy-backports"?
624[02:57:02] <thespen> Can only boot into terminal, startx doesn't work
625[02:57:05] <trek00> thespen: apt reinstall libc6
626[02:57:10] <blackop> already did yes
627[02:57:18] <blackop> maybe problem was usr share
628[02:57:29] <blackop> which i edited too before reinstall
629[02:58:04] <blackop> let me see it
630[02:58:05] <blackop> brb
631[02:58:07] <blackop> reboot
632[02:58:09] <trek00> blackop: do you modified /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme ?
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634[02:58:24] <thespen> apt: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6: file too short
635[02:58:36] <trek00> thespen: bad
636[02:58:54] <thespen> I've tried to use apt-get several times but it's borked
637[02:59:14] <thespen> I can't believe copying that one file decimated things so hardcore
638[03:00:06] <trek00> thespen: may be you can download the libc6 package on another system, unpack and then copy libm.so, but it needs to be the same version, what it says this command? dpkg -l libc6
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640[03:00:24] <trek00> thespen: libc6 is a core package
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643[03:01:02] <thespen> 2.24-11+deb9u4
644[03:01:36] <trek00> thespen: amd64?
645[03:01:38] <thespen> I have the Deb but can't figure out how to use it
646[03:01:43] <thespen> Yeah amd64
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648[03:01:59] <blackop> nope
649[03:02:03] <trek00> thespen: you need to dowload this package replaced-url
650[03:02:04] <blackop> unfortunately grub didnt change
651[03:02:10] <blackop> still black/gray
652[03:02:20] <thespen> I've tried copying over libm.so.6 and libm-2.24.so a million times but still keep hitting walls
653[03:03:26] <trek00> blackop: do you modified /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme ?
654[03:03:38] <blackop> trek00: yes
655[03:03:42] <blackop> just the colors
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657[03:04:14] <blackop> but no black gray
658[03:04:18] <blackop> i set them blue white
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660[03:04:53] <trek00> blackop: it should be the default, without changes
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666[03:05:49] <blackop> trek00: yes i dont know how i did it
667[03:05:58] <blackop> i still suspect chmod and other command
668[03:06:51] <jim> thespen, well, is your /home on its own partition?
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670[03:07:13] <thespen> Yeah
671[03:07:35] <trek00> blackop: may be you need to apt reinstall grub-common
672[03:07:51] <thespen> I think I have separate home swap and root parts
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674[03:07:59] <trek00> blackop: and say yes when it ask to replace /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme
675[03:08:10] <jim> normally this isn't recommended, but, you -could- just reinstall, and not format the /home partition
676[03:08:23] <trek00> thespen: if you download that package i can try to help you recover your installation
677[03:08:34] <blackop> ok
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679[03:08:38] <blackop> let me try
680[03:09:03] <thespen> Okay, give me a moment, I need to boot into windows apparently because wget doesn't work either :/
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682[03:09:08] <jim> blackop, make sure you have an irc client here
683[03:09:15] <blackop> jim: why?
684[03:09:18] <blackop> i am here
685[03:09:20] <blackop> on irssi
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687[03:09:52] <jim> hold on one sec
688[03:10:05] <blackop> trek00: it didnt ask me to reinstall 05 theme
689[03:10:14] <blackop> 1 reinstalled it says
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691[03:10:23] <trek00> :/
692[03:10:31] <jim> blackop, I got the nick wrong, I don't think you need to reinstall
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694[03:10:48] <blackop> jim: both nicks here on both machines
695[03:10:53] <blackop> b1ack0p: and blackop
696[03:11:14] <blackop> this is the one we were trying to connect wifi and install xfce
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698[03:11:22] <blackop> old thinkpad t42
699[03:11:24] <jim> I get it... you're not the one that copied the lib file to a different dir
700[03:11:36] <trek00> blackop: try apt install --reinstall -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confask,confnew,confmiss" grub-common
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702[03:12:05] <blackop> jim: did i copy lib file? lol
703[03:12:05] <circ-user-8kk3u> I am trying to install broadcom-sta-dkms please look at error log replaced-url
704[03:12:14] <blackop> no i guess not me
705[03:12:26] <jim> no, I don't think you did, that was someone else
706[03:12:41] <trek00> jim: he was thespen, now rebooting
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708[03:13:04] <jim> trek00, hows he doin?
709[03:13:42] <trek00> circ-user-8kk3u: may be are you trying to use the broadcom debian package with a newer kernel?
710[03:13:44] <blackop> trek00: i dont get what to reinstall
711[03:14:07] <trek00> blackop: grub-common
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713[03:14:14] <blackop> -o requires argument
714[03:14:21] <circ-user-8kk3u> trek00 I need to use newer kernel
715[03:14:26] <blackop> i did grub-common reinstalled but not theme
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717[03:14:45] <thespen> Okay got the deb
718[03:14:57] <trek00> circ-user-8kk3u: well you need also newer broadcom drivers, it seems they are incompatible with that kernel
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720[03:15:21] <trek00> thespen: ok now you need to unpack it somewhere
721[03:15:26] <thespen> libc6_2.24-11+deb9u4_amd64.deb
722[03:15:39] <thespen> dpkg -i ?
723[03:15:41] <dpkg> thespen: I wish you would RTFM.
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725[03:15:49] <circ-user-8kk3u> trek00: what are the newer broadcom drivers?
726[03:15:58] <jim> dpkg, buttshack?
727[03:15:59] <dpkg> jim: I don't know, could you explain it?
728[03:16:02] <trek00> thespen: dpkg -x
729[03:16:08] <thespen> Ah
730[03:16:24] <sney> dpkg: shut up
731[03:16:24] <dpkg> No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P
732[03:16:31] <blackop> brb reboot
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734[03:17:13] <jsync> apt-mirror suggests that I can't get the amd64 binary for non-free. Is that ignorable, or should I try something specific to get that?
735[03:17:44] <trek00> thespen: the file you need is lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm-2.28.so
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737[03:18:56] <trek00> circ-user-8kk3u: it seems broadcom-sta-dkms package does not work with your kernel version
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739[03:19:24] <trek00> circ-user-8kk3u: may be you can try to use the backport version 6.30.223.271-11~bpo10+1
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742[03:19:32] <blackop> still same
743[03:19:37] <jsync> I'm as well curious, can I use a libc6 out of a newer system for an older install?
744[03:19:54] <trek00> blackop: try this commandline, just cut and paste: apt install --reinstall -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confask,confnew,confmiss" grub-common
745[03:20:17] <trek00> jsync: probably not
746[03:20:20] <thespen> 2.28 O_o?
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748[03:20:28] <trek00> thespen: yes
749[03:20:30] <thespen> I have 2.24 in this folder
750[03:20:40] <thespen> I followed your link
751[03:21:01] <trek00> thespen: sorry, it's right
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754[03:21:18] <jsync> There should be more "build-your-own-linux" groups.
755[03:21:18] <thespen> Okay, oof heart palpitations lol
756[03:21:25] <blackop> trek00: it says -o needs argument
757[03:21:50] <trek00> thespen: now you should copy this file overwriting your broken /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm-2.24.so
758[03:22:06] <trek00> blackop: the argument is Dpkg::Options::="--force-confask,confnew,confmiss"
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760[03:22:54] <circ-user-8kk3u> trek00: I contacted the package maintainer, i was just wondering if anyone here knew
761[03:23:19] <trek00> circ-user-8kk3u: try to enable backports and install the new version
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763[03:23:51] <jsync> Or somebody should write a book: "Build Your Own Linux System Using Other Linux System Source Files". I would want to read that.
764[03:23:57] <blackop> trek00: done
765[03:24:07] <blackop> installed theme
766[03:24:08] <trek00> jsync: linux from scratch
767[03:24:10] <thespen> That's copied over now
768[03:24:23] <ritmo> Hello everyone! After like an hour of installing and reinstalling youtube-dl i now offically given up and came here to ask for your advice! Maybe a bit of a newbie quesiton but: anyone can help me out installing the LATEST version of youtube-dl in Debian? '2019.01.17' this is the version i get when installing it with apt but when i try to download a video i get 'ERROR: bpQFCcSI0pU: YouTube said: This video is unavailable.' Maybe
769[03:24:23] <ritmo> someone can help :)
770[03:24:40] <jsync> trek00, somebody in ##linux suggested that group as well.
771[03:24:51] <trek00> blackop: now you could try with update-grub and ses
772[03:24:54] <blackop> brb
773[03:25:01] <blackop> trek00: ses what?
774[03:25:17] <trek00> thespen: now check the output of ls -l /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6
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777[03:25:34] <trek00> blackop: and see :)
778[03:25:45] <blackop> lol
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780[03:26:05] <trek00> my typing is not good, played for 1 hour online :)
781[03:26:05] <blackop> ses means sound in turkish :p
782[03:26:12] <blackop> what game?
783[03:26:12] <jsync> ritmo, google "download YouTube videos" with a firefox browser. There's a plugin for free videos.
784[03:26:17] <trek00> tank-off
785[03:26:25] <blackop> i like tanks
786[03:26:28] <blackop> :p
787[03:26:31] <blackop> ok brb to reboot
788[03:26:31] <trek00> :)
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791[03:26:46] <ritmo> jsync, thank you, i know i can download it with some websites. But i would really love to get youtube-dl working because it's such an awesome tool
792[03:27:03] <trek00> thespen: it should print /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 -> libm-2.24.so
793[03:27:05] <thespen> I copied it over and tried startx and it gave me the error for libm.so.6
794[03:27:33] <jsync> I haven't heard of that utility. I can get most videos I want with the firefox plugin.
795[03:27:34] <thespen> Then I copied over libm.so.6 from the Deb as well and now X started ;)
796[03:27:51] <trek00> thespen: well
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798[03:28:19] <trek00> thespen: good that it works, but libm.so.6 should be a symbolic link to libm-2.24.so
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800[03:28:56] <ritmo> youtube-dl lets you download playlists and videos from youtube with CLI and you can determain the audio/video quality with one command. it's really awesome but i think the outdated version doesn't properly function rn
801[03:29:05] <thespen> Ah okay, let's see
802[03:29:07] <trek00> thespen: may be you can fix it with: apt reinstall libc6
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806[03:29:38] <blackop> trek00: unfortunately grub is same black/grey
807[03:30:01] <thespen> Yeah apt is working again
808[03:30:21] <thespen> And results of ls -l
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810[03:31:11] <trek00> blackop: may be you can try to create the /boot/grub/custom.cfg file and write in it: set color_normal=cyan/blue
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813[03:31:23] <thespen> " /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 --> libm-2.24.so"
814[03:31:23] <trek00> blackop: see replaced-url
815[03:31:32] <trek00> thespen: that is good
816[03:31:42] <thespen> Whew
817[03:31:48] <thespen> Thank you so much trek00
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819[03:31:51] <trek00> :)
820[03:32:08] <thespen> I was literally so sad to possibly to use Windows even for the night lol
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823[03:32:47] <sney> ritmo: there's a 2020.x version of youtube-dl in buster-multimedia. enable that repo, install youtube-dl, and then disable the repo. deb-multimedia can cause weird problems if you aren't careful with it. but one package should be fine
824[03:32:51] <sney> !buster-multimedia
825[03:32:52] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
826[03:32:58] <trek00> thespen: i would be sad too :)
827[03:33:01] <blackop> can someone please show me /etc/default/grub ?
828[03:33:16] <thespen> Man BSNES better be amazing when I get the damn thing installed
829[03:33:17] <ritmo> sney: ok will try thanks
830[03:33:20] <blackop> i wanna look how it is by default
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832[03:33:37] <thespen> Haha, it was so sad to have to boot back into win 8 for all of this
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837[03:33:58] <trek00> blackop: for buster?
838[03:34:02] <sney> blackop: replaced-url
839[03:34:14] <blackop> yes
840[03:34:31] <ZaZaGX> so i had the zoom application installed. I decided to delete it. running apt remove zoom - and i did a apt autoremove - how did i delete the other stuff? is there a hidden folder in my /home
841[03:34:51] <jim> thespen, what I think might have happened to you, is when you copied the lib file, you copied it over one that was working
842[03:35:16] <sney> ZaZaGX: 'apt purge zoom' should get any leftover global config gunk, and you can look for /home configs with 'ls -a'
843[03:35:20] <jim> be careful with libs... lots of executables use them
844[03:35:23] <blackop> so /etc/default/grub and /usr/share/grub/default/grub are same by default
845[03:35:27] <blackop> why is that so?
846[03:35:46] <sney> ritmo: do not private message people without asking. keep questions in the channel.
847[03:35:52] <thespen> Yeah, that makes sense. I was doing a lot of renegade copying. I know better to agree around like that with cp and rm commands when I'm in root /facepalm
848[03:35:55] <ritmo> kk
849[03:36:08] <ritmo> sney wanted to ask how to enable that repo... i have no idea to be honest
850[03:36:17] <trek00> blackop: i think /usr/share/grub/default/grub is used to create /etc/default/grub if not existent
851[03:36:31] <ritmo> installed it with snap now but i also cant make it work
852[03:36:42] <ZaZaGX> thanks
853[03:36:49] <blackop> shouldnt i edit both of them?
854[03:36:51] <sney> ritmo: the message from dpkg has a link to the instructions, did you go there?
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856[03:37:03] <blackop> that s annoying really..
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858[03:37:17] <trek00> blackop: no, only /etc/default/grub
859[03:37:23] <blackop> ok..
860[03:37:31] <ritmo> no
861[03:37:49] <sney> snap stuff isn't supported here so you're on your own with whatever problem that caused
862[03:38:08] <trek00> blackop: to enable colors may be you can try to create the /boot/grub/custom.cfg file and write in it: set color_normal=cyan/blue see replaced-url
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864[03:38:49] <ZaZaGX> so i opened my /home and did a CRTL+H and it showed a hidden .zoom folder
865[03:38:53] <ritmo> im really a newb who is used to Ubuntu honestly but i'm using Debian as a DE for a few months now and encounter some problems once in a while. Where do i find the dpkg link you mean?
866[03:39:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1528
867[03:39:08] <sney> !buster-multimedia
868[03:39:08] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
869[03:39:12] <thespen> So now that I'm thinking about it, how do I take care of this the right way?: "./BSNES: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6: version 'GLIBC_2.27' not found (required by./bsnes)"
870[03:39:20] <blackop> trek00: i will try that
871[03:39:23] <sney> see where it says "See replaced-url
872[03:39:32] <thespen> That's what started this whole crazy ride
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874[03:39:52] <trek00> ZaZaGX: usually you need to delete manually things inside your home, they are preserved on uninstall
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876[03:40:26] <ritmo> okok
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878[03:40:34] <thespen> GLIBC_2.27 dependency?
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880[03:41:16] <trek00> thespen: it needs a newer debian
881[03:41:26] <thespen> Ah damn
882[03:41:46] <ritmo> honestly don't quite get it. went to the website, has nothing with youtube-dl on it
883[03:41:50] <thespen> Use older version of bsnes maybe?
884[03:41:58] <trek00> thespen: yes
885[03:42:08] <ritmo> sney: can i do it all through CLI or do i need to download something off a website externally?
886[03:42:12] <sney> ritmo: it tells you how to enable deb-multimedia, and then you 'apt install youtube-dl'
887[03:42:14] <ritmo> sney: also thanks for your help..
888[03:43:15] <ritmo> You must edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to replaces the old repository name by the new one. this ?
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891[03:43:38] <sney> yes that
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894[03:44:10] <sney> or no, scroll down and it shows you what to add to /etc/apt/sources.list for buster-multimedia
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896[03:44:39] <ZaZaGX> that was weird. my laptop restarted for no reason
897[03:46:24] <trek00> it was tired :)
898[03:46:32] <sney> could be thermal
899[03:47:10] <ZaZaGX> it was after i uninstalled the zoom
900[03:47:36] <ritmo> sney: so just 'deb replaced-url
901[03:48:13] <sney> ritmo: correct and then follow the steps where it says " After you have added the necessary line in /etc/apt/sources.list the first package to install is deb-multimedia-keyring."
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904[03:49:22] <trek00> blackop: colors?
905[03:49:22] <blackop> trek00: good news custom grub config working :D
906[03:49:25] <blackop> thank you
907[03:49:25] <ritmo> when i put that in terminal it says 'sudo: deb: command not found'
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909[03:49:27] <blackop> :)
910[03:49:37] <trek00> blackop: wow i'm happy now :)
911[03:49:38] <blackop> yes blue colors as i wanted :p
912[03:49:58] <sney> ritmo: remember the part about "add to /etc/apt/sources.list" ? it's not a command, that's a text file, you edit it and add that line
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914[03:50:02] <trek00> blackop: i still don't know why they are not enabled by default
915[03:50:05] <blackop> well there are few other annoying things on my xfce yet :p
916[03:50:22] <ritmo> ok i think i get it now, i was in the file before but i wasnt sure
917[03:50:41] <blackop> trek00: me too.. disabling splash in etc default grub should be enough
918[03:50:49] <lwp> ritmo, there is also a channel #youtube-dl on this IRC server
919[03:51:28] <blackop> well today after we configured wifi in command line
920[03:51:42] <blackop> xfce doesnt show network manager on the panel
921[03:51:53] <ritmo> sney: can i put 'deb replaced-url
922[03:51:54] <blackop> and i cant see available other wifi connections
923[03:52:05] <ritmo> lwp: thanks gonna check it out
924[03:52:08] <trek00> blackop: you configured via /etc/network/interfaces file?
925[03:52:19] <sney> ritmo: doesn't really matter, I usually add new lines at the bottom
926[03:52:27] <blackop> trek00: yes
927[03:52:40] <blackop> sney: helped me to configure
928[03:52:41] <sney> the 'deb' needs to be at the beginning of the line though.
929[03:52:59] <trek00> blackop: i think network manager does not shows if all network cards are configured via /etc/network/interfaces
930[03:53:03] <ritmo> kk no hashtag or whatever infront just beginning of the line
931[03:53:05] <blackop> but after installed xfce it doesnt show wifi icon and it doesnt show wifi connections
932[03:53:38] <sney> ritmo: yes
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934[03:53:54] <blackop> trek00: but it shows fine if i could install xfce at first time
935[03:53:55] <sney> blackop: yeah if you want to use the network icon in xfce, you have to give up /etc/network/interfaces
936[03:54:07] <blackop> so what should i do ?
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938[03:54:19] <trek00> blackop: just comment the lines added to /etc/network/interfaces
939[03:54:21] <blackop> delete my config in interfaces?
940[03:54:25] <dvs> blackop, no
941[03:54:27] <blackop> ok
942[03:54:40] <sney> comment with # in front of the lines you added
943[03:54:43] <dvs> blackop, comment out the interfaces you want to show up in network mananger
944[03:54:55] <ritmo> sney: ok i added it, now i apt install deb-multimedia-keyring ?
945[03:55:17] <sney> ritmo: save the file, run 'apt update', then follow those instructions, then 'apt install youtube-dl'
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947[03:55:28] <blackop> and reboot?
948[03:55:29] <trek00> blackop: then you need to reboot and see if network manager runs fine, if not you can recover un-commenting again those lines
949[03:55:33] <blackop> ok
950[03:55:35] <blackop> brb
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953[03:56:31] <ritmo> sney: ran the update, which instructions? im so sorry i think i'm almost there now^^
954[03:56:41] <ritmo> the one on the dmm website?
955[03:57:05] <ritmo> ay ay; install is deb-multimedia-keyring
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957[03:57:24] <trek00> ritmo: after you changed /etc/apt/sources.list you need to apt update && apt install deb-multimedia-keyring
958[03:57:51] <ritmo> E: Unable to locate package deb-multimedia-keyring
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961[03:57:58] <ritmo> i changed the file tho
962[03:58:06] <trek00> ritmo: please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list
963[03:58:37] <sney> ritmo: did you run 'apt update' after saving sources.list?
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965[03:58:48] <ritmo> yes, yes
966[03:58:58] <blackop> thank you again :)
967[03:58:59] <ritmo> #
968[03:59:00] <ritmo> # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 10.2.0 _Buster_ - Unofficial amd64 NETINST with firmware 20191116-09:56]/ buster contrib main non-free
969[03:59:00] <ritmo> #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 10.2.0 _Buster_ - Unofficial amd64 NETINST with firmware 20191116-09:56]/ buster contrib main non-free
970[03:59:00] <ritmo> deb replaced-url
971[03:59:00] <ritmo> deb-src replaced-url
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973[03:59:05] <blackop> wifi icon shows up there
974[03:59:14] <trek00> blackop: good! :)
975[03:59:24] <blackop> next issue how can i set solid color background in desktop? :p
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977[03:59:37] <ritmo> all right
978[03:59:39] <trek00> ritmo: don't pste here
979[03:59:42] <trek00> !paste
980[03:59:42] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
981[03:59:47] <ritmo> i learned that now^^
982[03:59:52] <trek00> :)
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984[04:00:17] <cOrOnICk[20]> debian or bust
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986[04:00:32] <ritmo> replaced-url
987[04:00:41] <trek00> blackop: may be this help? replaced-url
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990[04:01:07] <blackop> looking
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992[04:01:39] <ritmo> sney: replaced-url
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994[04:01:56] <sney> ritmo: yeah, can you pastebin the output of when you run 'apt update' ?
995[04:02:18] <blackop> trek00: it was too simple to ask..
996[04:02:26] <blackop> thank you
997[04:02:39] <trek00> :)
998[04:02:55] <ritmo> replaced-url
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1000[04:03:21] <blackop> now i need to tweak and edit myself :p
1001[04:04:12] <sney> ritmo: ah, see the instructions where it says " After you have added the necessary line in /etc/apt/sources.list the first package to install is deb-multimedia-keyring." tell you how to deal with this exactly
1002[04:04:29] <trek00> ritmo: may be you need to type: apt-get update -oAcquire::AllowInsecureRepositories=true
1003[04:04:31] <sney> if you just read instructions and follow them, usually things go a lot faster. strange, I know.
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1009[04:05:46] <ritmo> if you're a newbie, very very often, unfortunately, instructions are very very unclear
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1011[04:06:02] <blackop> agree :p
1012[04:06:34] <ritmo> ok i did apt-get update -oAcquire::AllowInsecureRepositories=true now but i think it did the same again now
1013[04:06:38] <blackop> i was a very newbie before but now i started understanding them by time
1014[04:07:00] <trek00> ritmo: now try again apt install deb-multimedia-keyring
1015[04:07:13] <sney> but when things are unclear you still shouldn't go "I don't understand this step so I skipped it. ok it didn't work, I wonder why"
1016[04:07:27] <ritmo> ok worked, got it installed
1017[04:08:10] <trek00> learning computers is like learning new languages, it needs some time to get better :)
1018[04:08:10] <ritmo> I don't but.. what sometimes it's not you didn't understand a step, you don't even understand it was a step you had to do, or that it was there at all^^
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1020[04:08:34] <ritmo> exactly it's like when you are missing some grammar that you just never knew you had to use
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1022[04:09:08] <ritmo> trek00: got it, thanks
1023[04:09:21] <trek00> ritmo: now you should be able to install youtube-dl
1024[04:09:27] <ritmo> and now i can just install youtube0dl and it will pull the newest release?
1025[04:09:48] <trek00> uhm
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1027[04:09:58] <trek00> may be there is another step..
1028[04:10:15] <sney> yes, 'apt install youtube-dl' and it should pull the 2020.x version from deb-multimedia.
1029[04:10:21] <sney> if it doesn't, we can take a closer look.
1030[04:10:53] <ritmo> youtube-dl --version
1031[04:10:54] <ritmo> 2020.03.24
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1033[04:11:00] <ritmo> well, that's quite something :D
1034[04:11:04] <sney> boom
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1037[04:11:31] <sney> now, it's in your best interest to disable deb-multimedia in sources.list for now, so you don't accidentally update all of your media players to weird modified versions
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1039[04:11:48] <ritmo> oh wow, and it immediately starts downloading a video like it should, thats amazing
1040[04:11:49] <sney> just go back into that file and put a # in front of the line you added. save, and apt update.
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1042[04:12:03] <ritmo> okok
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1045[04:13:19] <ritmo> alright, has a hastag infront now
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1052[04:13:33] <ritmo> when i do a general update for my system. what will happen to this package?
1053[04:13:42] <ritmo> i suppose it will not update from the normal apt version
1054[04:13:50] <sney> it won't downgrade, no
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1057[04:14:09] <sney> since that package is newer than what apt has available, it'll just leave it alone
1058[04:14:15] <ritmo> so if i want that i remove the hashtag and upgrade only that one particular package?
1059[04:14:23] <fuxxy> I'm running mkdir -p "$(/var/run/user/"$(whoami)")" from a service user with no bash (I'm actually using 'su serviceuser -s /bin/bash -c "command"), and I'm getting "no such file or directory". Is this because the user doesnt have a shell?
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1061[04:15:40] <sney> ritmo: yeah, if youtube-dl stops working again, odds are deb-multimedia will have a newer one, so that would be the right approach
1062[04:15:49] <trek00> fuxxy: it's wrong the command
1063[04:16:26] <fuxxy> trek00, well, hell. I'll have to figure out how to make a complete folder heirarchy then
1064[04:16:29] <ritmo> :) ok. thank you so so so so much! really really helpful and i actually learned something aswell! big thank you if you drop me a BTC addy in private chat i will tip you some. also thanks to trek00 !
1065[04:16:33] <trek00> fuxxy: you need only mkdir -p "/var/run/user/$(whoami)"
1066[04:16:44] <sney> ritmo: no problem, enjoy!
1067[04:17:14] <fuxxy> trek00, shellcheck suggest I quote the command, and stopped complaining after I did
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1069[04:18:06] <trek00> fuxxy: $(comman) execute a command, but /var/run/user/ isn't a command
1070[04:18:24] <fuxxy> oh, I see now
1071[04:18:25] <trek00> fuxxy: whoami is a command
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1073[04:18:51] <fuxxy> I need to drop the preceeding $( and the trailing )
1074[04:19:34] <trek00> fuxxy: yes it should be: mkdir -p "/var/run/user/$(whoami)"
1075[04:19:59] <fuxxy> mkdir -p "/var/run/user/$(whoami)"
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1077[04:20:13] <ritmo> byebye everyone, thanks again! have a great day/night :)
1078[04:20:14] <fuxxy> bam, perfect. Lets test
1079[04:20:23] <trek00> ritmo: good night! :)
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1082[04:20:54] <Guest6> Hey guys I got a netbook with 1 GB of ram what distro do you guys recommend to put on it?
1083[04:21:16] <sney> this is #debian so you should install debian
1084[04:21:23] <Guest6> XFCE was surprisingly running on my netbook with 1GB of ram but I want something lighter
1085[04:21:26] <trek00> Guest6: debian is ok, but you should not install the default desktop environment
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1087[04:21:39] <trek00> Guest6: try LXDE
1088[04:21:41] <sney> anyway, I had an eeepc with 1GB that ran lxqt pretty well
1089[04:21:44] <Guest6> I was able to do light text editing in XFCE
1090[04:21:50] <trek00> LXQT
1091[04:22:04] <Guest6> so LXQT is being recommended over older LXDE?
1092[04:22:07] <sney> once you launch any browser, performance goes downhill, but that's just the web these days
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1094[04:22:29] <sney> I think lxqt and lxde are probably equal in terms of performance, I just happen to like lxqt more
1095[04:22:30] <Guest6> I really am not sure what to use this netbook for though as my main pc is really all I need.
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1097[04:22:57] <Guest6> The netbook has 1GB of ram and 256 GB of storage
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1099[04:23:13] <sney> that's pretty good, my eee only has 1GB of ram and 60 GB of storage
1100[04:23:23] <search_social> Guest6: atm i use my netbook to listen to music because i can't figure out how to get pulseaudio to share a stream across my different user accounts in debian
1101[04:23:30] <Guest6> Downloading lxqt debian now
1102[04:23:43] <sney> you may be able to upgrade the ram to 2 GB for not very much money, that would be a good idea since it would make the internet more usable
1103[04:24:09] <sney> I used my eee for writing things in the bath, but it's 10 years old and the motherboard crapped out.
1104[04:24:12] <Guest6> True, I'm fine with no internet as surprisingly when I booted up firefox I was able to surf the web although not that good
1105[04:24:28] <Guest6> I was thinking maybe I can use it to have text on the side for me to review
1106[04:24:35] <Guest6> maybe I can use lynx?
1107[04:24:40] <Guest6> for web browser
1108[04:24:42] <trek00> Guest6: disabling javascript will make firefox faster
1109[04:24:50] <Guest6> noscript?
1110[04:25:09] <trek00> Guest6: i usually modify javascript.enable inside about:config
1111[04:25:14] <jim> hmm, in my /var/run/user there is only a dir 1000
1112[04:25:21] <search_social> atm my computer is using 840M RAM for everything except firefox and 7000M RAM for firefox
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1114[04:26:12] <Guest6> yah firefox is resource intensive
1115[04:26:16] <trek00> search_social: :D
1116[04:26:23] <search_social> what do you guys think about ungoogled_chromium and icecat which are what spyware.neocities.org recommends?
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1118[04:26:37] <trek00> search_social: i closed firefox inside a 2GB cgroup, or it will trash all my filesystem cache
1119[04:26:55] <search_social> oh that's cool i just learned cgroup to try to limit minetest cpu usage
1120[04:27:10] <search_social> but it made it really laggy, i'm not sure if it really needs that much cpu or cgroups is just too coarse-grained
1121[04:27:14] <Eggman1> i need to figure out how to change display resolution in i3 WM
1122[04:27:29] <Guest6> oh you know what
1123[04:27:41] <Guest6> Couldnt I just change lxqt to a window manager instead?
1124[04:27:46] <Guest6> for better performance?
1125[04:27:48] <Eggman1> in KVM VM
1126[04:28:00] <search_social> i3-wm has done pretty much everything i need Guest6
1127[04:28:07] <InvisibleRasta> guys what happened to the package libav-tools in buster?
1128[04:28:12] <search_social> as long as you learn how to turn on the internet from the command line
1129[04:28:12] <InvisibleRasta> i wanted to isntall it
1130[04:28:15] <trek00> Guest6: i use openbox+fbpanel, but LXQT/LXDE have similar memory footprint
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1132[04:28:22] <sney> Guest6: it probably won't make much difference since lxqt isn't very memory intensive
1133[04:28:39] <Guest6> I used i3 for a while until I couldn't get over my ocd in regards to ricing
1134[04:28:57] <Guest6> I would reinstall my pc a lot of times just get the perfect rice the first time
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1137[04:29:58] <Guest6> gonna install debian with lxqt now and see how it works on this old netbook
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1140[04:31:47] <trek00> InvisibleRasta: probably you need to install ffmpeg
1141[04:32:10] <trek00> InvisibleRasta: there is no more libav-tools
1142[04:32:11] <Guest6> ffmpeg?
1143[04:32:18] <trek00> InvisibleRasta: see replaced-url
1144[04:32:23] <fuxxy> Now I've got to figure out how to call this python script from the same service user as before. "ModuleNotFoundError: no module named 'service_core'. I'm thinking a PATH variable, or lack thereov
1145[04:32:29] <search_social> InvisibleRasta: do you use apt-file?
1146[04:32:30] <Guest6> what if I install the non free version?
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1150[04:32:55] <Guest6> kind of just want to see if lxqt will boot on this pc
1151[04:33:45] <trek00> Guest6 non free version of the iso image? it contains firmware too
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1153[04:34:27] <Guest6> yah
1154[04:34:38] <trek00> fuxxy: you can set PATH on the commandline: PATH=/your/preferred/path:$PATH command
1155[04:34:58] <trek00> Guest6: it's ok
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1159[04:35:33] <fuxxy> I was going to PATH=$PATH:/somewhere in the script, but first I gotta figure out what path is needed
1160[04:36:03] <Guest6> Is Hexchat what everyone using for IRC? I am using the kiwi web client right now.
1161[04:36:31] <fuxxy> hmm, maybe $PYTHONPATH
1162[04:36:41] <fuxxy> nope
1163[04:37:01] <trek00> fuxxy: well not it should be a python module, PATH is not the right fix
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1165[04:37:43] <fuxxy> gotta figure out what points the shell to /usr/lib/python3.5/dist-packages
1166[04:38:02] <trek00> fuxxy: sadly i don't know how to deal with python
1167[04:38:11] <dvs> Guest6 either that or irssi
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1170[04:38:30] <trek00> Guest6: i'm using pidgin
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1173[04:39:17] <trek00> Guest6 but is too much big to be used only as an irc client
1174[04:39:25] <Guest6> @trek00 pidgin? oh yah that is what comes with Whonix
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1178[04:41:29] <fuxxy> this may be it. /usr/bin/python points to python2.7, and this is a 3.5 python app. Let's try calling /usr/bin/python3.5 directly
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1180[04:42:01] <Guest6> Damn this coronavirus is crazy though
1181[04:42:07] <Guest6> Stay safe everyone
1182[04:42:28] <Guest6> and I keep getting ads on youtube about whether or not I am in support of Trump
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1187[04:44:24] <fuxxy> no bueno
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1202[04:52:18] <fuxxy> bah. Still nothing. Bedtime
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1301[05:45:48] <cOrOnICk[20]> is it possible to had mint moist to a ventilator?
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1315[05:56:56] <sponix> !ssb
1316[05:56:56] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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1321[05:58:30] <annadane> i'm actually curious wy step 2 is necessary
1322[05:58:32] <annadane> why*
1323[05:59:06] <annadane> you're making a self backport, not anything from official backports
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1346[06:07:50] <Unit193> annadane: You may need updated build-depends.
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1353[06:12:36] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone
1354[06:12:56] <Gryllida> hi rocketmagnet :)
1355[06:13:14] <rocketmagnet> i have a problem, i've made the latest updates but since then my linux wont start anymore
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1358[06:13:45] <Gryllida> what does it say?
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1360[06:13:58] <rocketmagnet> i now run the previous version and that is working, how can i make the new version working ?
1361[06:14:23] <rocketmagnet> i get no error message
1362[06:14:47] <rocketmagnet> it just hangs when it normaly should show me the login screen
1363[06:15:19] <rocketmagnet> where can i see the error logs ?
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1368[06:16:14] <sney> rocketmagnet: are you using proprietary video drivers? it might not have built the new module to go with the kernel upgrade
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1371[06:16:24] <rocketmagnet> ahhh
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1373[06:17:00] <rocketmagnet> that's it, i've not yet compiled the n-vidia drivers for the new version
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1377[06:18:27] <sney> rocketmagnet: so, install the linux-headers-amd64 package and it'll probably auto build the driver. if not, dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-driver
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1379[06:18:58] <rocketmagnet> i've installed it with the official drivers from nvidia.com
1380[06:19:11] <sponix> If I have something marked to install from like backports. But I decided I want that one to go back to buster stable. Anyone know how I go about doing that ?
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1382[06:19:23] <sponix> Or what I should be Googling for ?
1383[06:20:06] <sney> rocketmagnet: in that case you probably need to re-run the installer script. but it might break things. you're on your own with that
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1385[06:20:20] <rocketmagnet> i know
1386[06:20:36] <sney> sponix: uninstall the package, disable backports, apt update, install the package again
1387[06:20:52] <Delf> Who broke my Debian? Multi seat doesn't work properly since I upgraded to stable. It was working fine with old stable.
1388[06:21:02] <rocketmagnet> i'll restart in rescue mode and install the driver, brb
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1390[06:21:21] <sney> sponix: if there are any significant config syntax differences you might get weird breakage but that depends on what it is
1391[06:21:39] <sney> Delf: sounds like you broke your debian. did you check the release notes for anything relevant?
1392[06:22:13] <Delf> sney: I did read ALL the release notes, nothing mentioned about multi-seat. How did I break Debian?
1393[06:23:01] <sney> I'm not sure what you mean specifically by multi-seat, but if you did the upgrade from stretch to buster, it was you, that's all
1394[06:23:05] <sponix> sney: this is obs-studio... Going to try it that way. Thanks
1395[06:23:43] <sney> Delf: if you give some more details on what exactly isn't working, then there will be more useful support
1396[06:24:45] <Delf> sney: A while ago, I did a clean install, just to make sure that it wasn't any of my configs causing the issue.
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1398[06:25:17] <rocketmagnet> it worked, thank you guys for the fast help
1399[06:25:38] <sney> np
1400[06:26:29] <Delf> sney: I can assign gpu's to seats and attach relevant usb devices (keyboard, mouse etc). I can login. However… when seat1 or seat2 logs out, they're seat becomes unusable. gdm does not start unless the user on seat0 logs off.
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1405[06:29:20] <sney> ahhh like proper terminal server multi-seat. ok. I'm not familiar with the internals there. is it possible that wayland is getting in the way?
1406[06:30:00] <Delf> Good question. I have no idea :S
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1410[06:30:26] <sponix> sney: That works.. It acted like it wanted to "upgrade" them when I toggled the repos back on. But I just did a "apt-mark hold obs-studio" and that shut it up for now :)
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1412[06:30:49] <sney> Delf: what desktop environment are you running for those clients? default gnome?
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1418[06:33:48] <Delf> sney: Yes
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1423[06:34:41] <sney> then I suspect wayland involvement. gdm does offer a gnome-xorg option afaik, so try making that the default and see how it goes
1424[06:34:52] <sney> but wayland is the default for gnome as of buster
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1428[06:37:02] <Delf> Err… I've no idea where to change the default for gdm
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1430[06:37:28] <sney> nor I, since I'm a longtime kde user. but it's probably documented.
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1432[06:37:47] <sponix> sney: thanks for the advice on how to approach that
1433[06:37:52] <sney> sponix: np
1434[06:37:54] <annadane> can you not select it from the login screen?
1435[06:37:59] <annadane> top right corner or something?
1436[06:38:13] <annadane> it's there *somewhere* on the login screen
1437[06:38:17] <sney> annadane: I think there's a difference between changing it once and changing the default before the fact
1438[06:38:26] <Delf> sney: WaylandEnable=false @ /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf
1439[06:38:27] <annadane> seriously? eww...
1440[06:38:31] <sney> but idk maybe not
1441[06:38:40] <Delf> Thanks! I'm going to reboot and try.
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1444[06:39:12] <sney> annadane: I mean setting it before gdm even loads the first time.
1445[06:39:23] <sney> I guess we'll see if this works
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1452[06:47:50] <sponix2ipfw> sney: maybe one day I will be able to fight the urge to chase version numbers. And will have a problem free system
1453[06:48:35] <Delf> sney: Still the same :/
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1455[06:50:12] <sney> Delf: well, I'm fading right now. you might have better luck in #gnome or #gdm on irc.gnome.org
1456[06:51:17] <Delf> Thanks you sney!
1457[06:51:36] <sney> np
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1486[07:28:15] <warsoul> i was navigating on internet now using firefox
1487[07:28:21] <warsoul> for some reason i got freeze
1488[07:28:38] <warsoul> how can i check what happen or why
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1500[07:42:25] <boubou> Hi,
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1502[07:42:58] <boubou> I need to have the r300_cp firmware in my debian install
1503[07:43:10] <boubou> What do I need to do ?
1504[07:43:33] <boubou> Just put it in a firmware folder on the root ?
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1527[08:03:52] <pc-user_> hello everyone
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1532[08:05:21] <pc-user_> is it possible to download and use version 10.3 testing as a normal to avoid older packages in stable?
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1537[08:11:18] <jm_> boubou: is that for radeon?
1538[08:11:54] <boubou> yes
1539[08:12:04] <nkuttler> pc-user_: 10.3 of what?
1540[08:12:17] <jm_> boubou: does kernel tell you exact filename it needs? it should
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1542[08:12:30] <boubou> yes
1543[08:12:34] <jm_> pc-user_: what exactly do you want to achieve?
1544[08:12:56] <boubou> without that firmware, my screen goes blank
1545[08:13:39] <jm_> !radeon firmware
1546[08:13:40] <dpkg> Binary-only firmware for the radeon <DRM> driver is packaged for Debian as firmware-linux-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance in the <radeon> xorg driver is commonly experienced. To install, ask me about <non-free sources>. This is not required for use of the <fglrx> driver.
1547[08:13:46] <jm_> try that
1548[08:14:41] <boubou> yes but when I do a fresh install of debian, all went good
1549[08:15:05] <jm_> possible if you used non-free firmware image
1550[08:15:12] <pc-user_> Debian
1551[08:15:14] <boubou> but when the laptop reboot, the screen goes blank and before I saw an error of radeao
1552[08:15:33] <pc-user_> more up to date packages
1553[08:15:35] <jm_> boubou: make sure you installed the packages listed above
1554[08:15:47] <jm_> pc-user_: no, don't mix stable and testing
1555[08:15:56] <boubou> How can I install the firmware when I install my OS ?
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1557[08:16:03] <jm_> !firmware images
1558[08:16:03] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
1559[08:16:16] <jm_> boubou: installed using images listed above
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1563[08:17:29] <boubou> jm_ its not a 64bits machine ;)
1564[08:17:43] <jm_> boubou: then just use equivalent i386 image
1565[08:17:46] <boubou> its an i386
1566[08:17:51] <boubou> ok
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1568[08:20:00] <boubou> jm_ if I correctly understand, I just need to download and install the os with that iso ? firmware-10.3.0-i386-netinst.iso
1569[08:20:08] <pc-user_> Im referring to running testing only not stable
1570[08:20:24] <jm_> boubou: yes
1571[08:20:35] <boubou> ok thanks
1572[08:20:39] <jm_> no problem
1573[08:20:42] <boubou> I will try it 2momor
1574[08:20:45] <boubou> u rox
1575[08:20:48] <pc-user_> Im using Fedora 31 Cinnamon at present
1576[08:20:52] <boubou> peace and health
1577[08:20:53] <jm_> if you want to use testing then think about this:
1578[08:20:57] <jm_> !testing security
1579[08:20:57] <dpkg> Security updates in testing are delayed by the normal testing migration *and* may be further delayed by missing dependencies, etc. See replaced-url
1580[08:21:40] <boubou> jm_: who are yon the debian community ?
1581[08:21:44] <boubou> dev ?
1582[08:21:49] <boubou> admin ?
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1585[08:23:37] <jm_> boubou: just a long time user
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1587[08:24:32] <boubou> OK
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1590[08:25:29] <boubou> Do you know if I can run a chocolatey repositery server on debian 8
1591[08:25:33] <boubou> ?
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1593[08:26:50] <jm_> sorry, no idea what that is :)
1594[08:27:13] <boubou> ok
1595[08:27:33] <pc-user_> dpkg thanks I guess thats why some use ubuntu or Mint
1596[08:27:33] <dpkg> pc-user_: no worries
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1598[08:28:33] <pc-user_> sys admins at a Linux club I go to use Ubuntu with xfce which surprised me a bit
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1600[08:29:44] <pc-user_> I was not impressed with shuttleworth putting Amazon spyware in Ubuntu
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1616[08:42:43] <pc-user_> bye
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1689[09:29:31] <dka> hello
1690[09:29:39] <dka> I have my main partition almost full : /dev/nvme0n1p3 92G 85G 2.5G 98% /
1691[09:29:44] <dka> How can I make some space :X
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1693[09:31:45] <nkuttler> dka: try apt-get clean, and check /var/log for big files
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1696[09:32:54] <dka> the whole /var/log is 50Mo
1697[09:32:56] <dka> so it can't be it
1698[09:33:08] <dka> apt-get clean free up 5Go
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1704[09:34:32] <dka> I can see a lot of /dev/loopN
1705[09:34:35] <dka> with /snap etc...
1706[09:34:37] <jelly> dka, du -x / | sort -n | tail -n 30
1707[09:34:39] <dka> they take about 1GO
1708[09:34:40] <dka> can I clean it ?
1709[09:34:51] <dka> 2.9G ./snap
1710[09:35:03] <dka> jelly, I am already running : dka@dka:[/]: sudo du -h --max-depth=1
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1712[09:35:09] <dka> what is /snap ?
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1715[09:35:38] <dka> I am about to `sudo rm -rf /snap`
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1717[09:35:43] <jelly> dka, using max-depth is not smart, you don't see where the space is ACTUALLY taken, and do not forget -x
1718[09:35:59] <jelly> those /snap are not real mountpoints taking space on disk.
1719[09:36:23] <dka> how do they take 2.9G ?
1720[09:36:37] <jelly> they don't take space on / directly.
1721[09:36:44] <dka> where?
1722[09:36:47] <jelly> use -x option for du.
1723[09:36:51] <Pitron_Cresse> Bonjour
1724[09:36:55] <dka> yes your command is actually running now
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1726[09:37:22] <jelly> dka, if you have millions of files it might be better to redirect output of du -x / into a file first
1727[09:37:25] <dka> replaced-url
1728[09:37:27] <jelly> df -i
1729[09:37:29] <dka> this is the stdfout
1730[09:37:47] <jelly> so you have 60GB of docker stuff.
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1733[09:38:30] <jelly> dka, I strongly suggest using a separate mount point and filesystem for /var/lib/docker
1734[09:38:54] <dka> yes but now I can't format
1735[09:39:56] <jelly> and you have 1GB of snaps in total, really
1736[09:40:06] <dka> I have already clean all the images using `docker images -a -q | xargs docker rmi`
1737[09:40:15] <dka> I use a few image such as postgresql, openldap, phpldapadmin
1738[09:40:28] <wrksx> dka: it's not the images it's the data
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1740[09:40:34] <dka> but not more, I am not building images on my host, it's very rare, I use my platform with continuous integration for that
1741[09:40:38] <jelly> I don't know anything about docker, sorry
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1743[09:40:58] <wrksx> the images volumes are where container persist data on your hard drive
1744[09:41:07] <dka> What data, I have nothing that store that except an empty mysql database and an empty openldap database
1745[09:41:10] <jelly> maybe you uninstall the whole docker and delete all the files and reinstall it
1746[09:41:22] <jelly> dka, there's 68GB of SOMETHING
1747[09:41:25] <dka> yes, apparently docker is not cleaning itself properly
1748[09:42:06] <wrksx> dka: it's not going to delete persisted data by default
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1750[09:42:13] <chocolate> df command keep running forever, and doesnt display any output... I thought it was because of trying to mount a NFS I had and it is not using anymore, I deleted then the entry on fstab and run mount -a, but didn't work. Any advice is appreciated... thanks
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1752[09:42:23] <jelly> chocolate, reboot
1753[09:42:56] <wrksx> dka: check out the `docker volume` command
1754[09:42:57] <chocolate> it is a dedicated server, rebooting is the last option
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1756[09:43:10] <nkuttler> dka: i just run a docker system prune every night.. though i have also seen buggy older docker releases where this left files
1757[09:43:14] <chocolate> but I appreciate the suggestion jelly
1758[09:43:35] <jelly> "mount -a" does not umount things, it only mounts stuff from fstab that's not mounted right now
1759[09:44:06] <jelly> chocolate, then convince the nfs server to come back
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1761[09:44:27] <dka> replaced-url
1762[09:44:31] <dka> that's the result of docker volume ls
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1764[09:45:43] <dka> nkuttler, docker system prune says: Total reclaimed space: 0B
1765[09:45:57] <dka> it's not it
1766[09:47:03] <wrksx> dka: I can't guide you more than that, try to see what container use these volumes, and if you don't need those anymore you can simply `docker volume rm` these
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1768[09:47:20] <dka> Yes I obviously don't need any
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1770[09:47:33] <dka> understood
1771[09:47:34] <wrksx> oh really
1772[09:47:47] <wrksx> then just get rid of them but be 100% sure
1773[09:47:53] <dka> yes
1774[09:47:54] <dka> I am sure
1775[09:48:01] <dka> I don't need them
1776[09:48:08] <dka> docker is doing bad things it shouldn't be there
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1778[09:48:25] <dka> I am used to clean builded images if I do, to stop container
1779[09:48:33] <dka> I do not need any docker service daily
1780[09:48:36] <dka> it's just while doing devleopment
1781[09:48:47] <dka> and currently I only need 3 container that I can restart from scratch
1782[09:48:55] <dka> I better clean everything and start over
1783[09:49:30] <wrksx> dka: okay. Just make sure to monitor your docker volumes next time to see if they grow rapidly
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1788[09:50:42] <dka> and... it's cleaning
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1790[09:51:57] <dka> :)/dev/nvme0n1p3 92G 16G 72G 18% /
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1792[09:52:11] <dka> can you believe that I had 80% of disk space use for nothing ?
1793[09:52:24] <wrksx> Yes
1794[09:52:35] <dka> Docker is obviously doing something wrong, there was nothing that should have kept this volumes
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1799[09:53:12] <wrksx> read on volumes, basically it's meant to persist data. If data were deleted every time it wouldn't persist much
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1801[09:53:30] <wrksx> dka: but I'm glad you solved your problem
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1803[09:55:16] <wrksx> btw if you can implement what jelly said (separate partition mounted on /var/lib/docker) so it can't fill up the root partition
1804[09:56:30] <dka> I don't know how to do it after format
1805[09:56:44] <dka> I mean, I don't know how I can do that without fucking up the whole system
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1808[09:59:28] <dka> wrksx, by removing the volumes
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1810[09:59:45] <dka> was it docker volumes that were not mounted ?
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1812[09:59:57] <wrksx> dka: I don't understand.
1813[10:00:06] <dka> I mean, was it volumes that were supposed to be non persistent or did I also clean the content usefull ?
1814[10:00:17] <dka> -v /srv/mydata:/data
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1816[10:00:28] <dka> I expect when I shut down this container and remove it to remove the volume and keep /srv/mydata
1817[10:00:35] <dka> and that's what I am doing
1818[10:00:46] <dka> so removing volume that should be unregistered should not delete it
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1820[10:00:59] <wrksx> but you just deleted it
1821[10:01:03] <wrksx> didn't you?
1822[10:01:34] <dka> I don't know
1823[10:02:02] <wrksx> -v /srv/mydata:/data is not using docker volumes I believe
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1826[10:02:33] <dka> I believe that if you remove the container started with that line, then the volume should be destroyed
1827[10:02:40] <dka> and I did remove all container before doing this
1828[10:02:49] <dka> I believe that if you remove the container started with that line, then the local data should be destroyed
1829[10:02:54] <dka> should not
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1831[10:03:31] <dka> It's not big , because everything that can be mounted can be deleted on my host
1832[10:03:34] <wrksx> dka: Images can specify volumes, if they do it'll create a volume to persist their data. Mysql probably does this.
1833[10:03:38] <dka> but just wondering in case this happen in production
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1839[10:06:38] <wrksx> replaced-url
1840[10:06:45] <wrksx> -> VOLUME /var/lib/mysql
1841[10:07:21] <wrksx> I believe this means 'create a volume to persist data in the container directory /var/lib/mysql'
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1844[10:07:49] <wrksx> I don't think it's going to delete the volume when you stop/rm the container or image
1845[10:07:55] <wrksx> but you can experiment on that
1846[10:08:00] <wrksx> dka: ^
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1850[10:08:31] <dka> hmm
1851[10:08:34] <dka> that's the reason
1852[10:08:40] <dka> maybe
1853[10:08:45] <dka> yes, that could be an explanation
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1858[10:09:25] <wrksx> just give it a try =) create a container and see if it creates a volume, inspect the volume. Then remove the container and image and checkout if the volume is still present
1859[10:10:04] <wrksx> dka: in production you REALLY don't want to have docker consume space of the root partition
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1866[10:10:57] <dka> it's too late
1867[10:10:59] <dka> I already did that
1868[10:11:02] <dka> and now production is running
1869[10:11:06] <dka> I don't know how to change this
1870[10:11:10] <dka> but in a next installation
1871[10:11:13] <dka> I will change this
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1874[10:11:18] <dka> But again, I do not decide that
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1876[10:11:37] <wrksx> you're the admin of the server aren't u
1877[10:11:40] <dka> sorry, I cannot decide that now, I don't know how to create partition safely when things are running
1878[10:11:43] <dka> I am
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1880[10:12:34] <wrksx> I wouldn't like to resize partition on a lonely production server
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1882[10:12:37] <wrksx> either
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1884[10:13:19] <jelly> you could merely grow it IF it was on LVM and not a partition directly, and there was enough disk space somewhere
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1886[10:13:46] <jelly> but if you want to create a separate new mountpoint, moving the data will require downtime
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1889[10:14:55] <jelly> this is possibly the single best reason to use LVM, being able to extend only those filesystems that need it
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1897[10:16:45] <dka> I can shut down the container
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1899[10:16:58] <dka> I must keep the endpoint from where volumes are mounted
1900[10:17:04] <dka> and volumes are mounted all in /srv
1901[10:17:18] <dka> so that mean I would only need to create a partition for /srv and /var/lib/docker
1902[10:17:25] <dka> Perhaps if you guys are 100% confident
1903[10:17:34] <dka> I can test it on my host, then try to do it on a small server in prod
1904[10:17:35] <dka> etc...
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1906[10:17:55] <dka> But I don't feel doing it today, just broke up, I don't want more stress in case bad things happen
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1910[10:19:42] <jelly> you WILL want to schedule an hour or two of downtime if you're doing this the first time
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1912[10:20:22] <wrksx> dka: just experiment a lot before trying this out. Use VM. And next time you setup some system, try to think about LVM and how it can provide flexibility
1913[10:21:21] <dka> I've heard that a lot, LVM, perhaps I should first learn LVM
1914[10:21:58] <dka> also, because of the low capacity of my startup (only me) I didn't upgrade debian so often in order to avoid problem that I couldn't pay for
1915[10:22:02] <dka> So the system are not up to date
1916[10:22:06] <dka> that would be a good reason to start over
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1918[10:22:49] <dka> I am not even sure if I can upgrade now
1919[10:22:51] <dka> Linux master-sbg-01 4.11.0-xxxx-std-ipv6-64 #1 SMP Mon May 8 14:47:33 CEST 2017 x86_64 GNU/Linux
1920[10:23:30] <dka> it's running on debian 8.9
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1943[10:39:46] <jelly> dka, that's a not-debian kernel, but Debian 8 is still getting security updates via LTS
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1946[10:40:22] <jelly> make sure you have debian-security-support package installed to be aware if you have or use any pieces of software that are not being patched any more
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1948[10:40:29] <jelly> !lts
1949[10:40:30] <dpkg> Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5 years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about <jessie-lts> and see replaced-url
1950[10:40:37] <jelly> !jessie-lts
1951[10:40:37] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 8 "Jessie" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2018-05-17. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via <jessie/updates> until June 30, 2020 for a 5 year lifetime total. See replaced-url
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1978[10:51:46] <dka> jelly, 5 years till june 30 2020 ?
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1980[10:51:47] <dka> it's soon
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1982[10:52:06] <wrksx> yeah you're close to end of support
1983[10:52:25] <dka> well, I did not run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade for a while
1984[10:52:30] <dka> what happen if I get to the end of supprot ?
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1988[10:52:54] <wrksx> no security patches anymore
1989[10:53:55] <dka> Ok, bad sys admin thing
1990[10:54:07] <dka> but i was not taking them, cause i couldn't take the time
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1992[10:54:23] <jelly> dka, no more patches unless you pay for ELTS
1993[10:54:29] <jelly> !ELTS
1994[10:54:29] <dpkg> Limited commercial support for wheezy exists in form of Extended LTS, see replaced-url
1995[10:54:38] <jelly> that will happen for jessie as well.
1996[10:54:40] <wrksx> oh I didn't know about that
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2000[10:55:46] <jelly> if you pay, you give the ELTS team your set of packages installed, and they backport security patches just for those. If you do not pay, you can STILL use the ELTS repo tu get patches for packages other companies have paid for.
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2002[10:56:10] <jelly> 5 years from jessie, Debian 8.0 release
2003[10:56:15] <jelly> !release history
2004[10:56:15] <dpkg> Named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17), Buster (10; 2019-07-06). Next: Bullseye. replaced-url
2005[10:56:19] <wrksx> jelly: that's amazing
2006[10:56:35] <wrksx> Debian is amazing in every way
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2008[10:57:22] <jelly> of course it's better to do release upgrade to an actually supported Debian release like Debian 9 or 10
2009[10:57:56] <jelly> but if you have prod systems making money, LTS and ELTS are a good additional option
2010[10:58:43] <diogenes_> and what will happen when then run out of Toy Story names?
2011[10:58:52] <diogenes_> they*
2012[10:58:59] <wrksx> end of the world
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2016[10:59:58] <joze> disney will make a new one
2017[11:00:02] <joze> for GNU
2018[11:00:28] <diogenes_> maybe we gonna see a goofy 1.0
2019[11:00:39] <jelly> diogenes_, that's after 2040-2050 or so I think
2020[11:01:19] <jelly> diogenes_, wikipedia probably has a List_of_Toy_Story_characters, you do the math and report back here
2021[11:01:23] <diogenes_> jelly, it would mean they still gonna have to fix the 2038 bug.
2022[11:01:58] <jelly> that bug HAS to be fixed anyway.
2023[11:02:10] <jelly> where will still be 32bit systems in 2038
2024[11:02:14] <jelly> there*
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2026[11:02:32] <diogenes_> i doubt there will.
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2031[11:03:17] <jelly> diogenes_, there are COBOL mainframes or emulators with code bases from 1970-1980s still running
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2035[11:04:49] <diogenes_> jelly, those were built before the conspiracy theory regarding planned obsolescence.
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2037[11:05:14] <diogenes_> so they will run forever.
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2065[11:26:16] <dpkg> It is expected that extended security support for Debian 9 "Stretch" will be offered by the <LTS> project after the Debian Security Team ceases supporting stretch in July 2020. See replaced-url
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2165[13:17:09] <NetTerminalGene> my firefox takes time to loal web pages in first launch. do you guys have such problem
2166[13:17:21] <NetTerminalGene> it took 30-40 seconds
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2172[13:26:40] <juanosorio9402> hello everyone. I want to ask you guys a pretty basic question.. Is there a specific place where I can place symbolic links, so that they are globally available on my terminal?
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2177[13:30:35] <jedenastka> um... there is /usr/local/bin, but what you need is probably editing PATH variable
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2179[13:31:08] <jedenastka> replaced-url
2180[13:31:34] <juanosorio9402> okay
2181[13:31:36] <juanosorio9402> thanks
2182[13:31:45] <kzar> It seems Node.js 10.17.0 was added to testing at the end of October last year, I'm trying to figure out if/when that will be added to stable. Any ideas?
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2184[13:31:59] <kzar> (It's relevant to a discussion about which version of Node.js we need to support for some code.)
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2186[13:33:03] <kzar> It seems stable is currently on 10.15.2
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2188[13:34:01] <juanosorio9402> like I have sometimes a hard time knowing where to store things I install like lately firefox dev edition, it is actually on my home dir, but I guess it is better to move it into /usr/lib/?
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2191[13:36:39] <kzar> juanosorio9402: Well I'm not 100% sure (I wondered the same) but I know that if your user doesn't have write access to where you put Firefox it can't update itself. So I went from putting it in /opt to my home directory
2192[13:37:07] <juanosorio9402> that kind of happened to me with android studio
2193[13:37:32] <juanosorio9402> it always needs root rights to update
2194[13:38:05] <juanosorio9402> or else somehow everything I open is always in read mode (because I probably modified them with root)
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2201[13:46:43] <kzar> juanosorio9402: IMO put Android Studio and Firefox dev in your home folder, run as your user not root and then you won't have trouble like that. But don't ask me if that's the official best practice
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2209[13:52:56] <Ede|Popede> juanosorio9402: this sound like you'd also run it as root
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2221[14:00:01] <juanosorio9402> yeah I have to run android studio always as root
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2223[14:00:34] <juanosorio9402> I dont want to pollute my home dir, I just want somewhere to put them and make them globally available in my terminal sessions :L
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2231[14:05:38] <zatumil> FHS: "/opt is reserved for the installation of add-on application software packages."
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2250[14:16:31] <wrksx> Yeah /opt is the way to go
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2254[14:20:39] <z3bra> Hi there! I'm having trouble on my buster install: The layout specified in /etc/default/keyboard is not applied to my X session. I use xdm(1) to start my session, and have very few commands in my ~/.xsession. At the XDM prompt, the keyboard layout and variant are correctly set however. Same for the TTY. How would I go about troubleshooting this ? I found nothing in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or ~/.xsession-errors.
2255[14:20:45] <z3bra> Thanks for your help and time :)
2256[14:20:54] <ndayalan> I am trying to install debian 10. Presently I am using Ubuntu 16.04. I made a bootable usb using the command 'sudo dd bs=4M if=/pathtoisofile of=/dev/sdb1 status=progress oflag=sync' but when I try to boot from usb the following is displayed 'isolinux.bin missing or corrupt No bootable device --insert boot disk and press any key' I request the help to rectify it.
2257[14:21:36] <joepublic> sdb, not sdb1, would be my guess ndayalan
2258[14:21:42] <diogenes_> ndayalan, if=/pathtoisofile of=/dev/sdb not /dev/sdb1
2259[14:21:48] <dvs> ndayalan, yeah, sdb not sdb1
2260[14:22:19] <diogenes_> ndayalan, but the recommended way is: sudo cp /pathtoisofile /dev/sdb
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2262[14:22:31] <dvs> diogenes_, don't forget the sync!
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2264[14:23:08] <diogenes_> dvs, right you are! sudo cp /pathtoisofile /dev/sdb && sync
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2267[14:23:44] <ndayalan> diogenes_: Thanks a lot, let me try.
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2276[14:30:09] <debbers> Hello, I spoke to a few nice people in here yesterday and have come back to chat a little more :)
2277[14:30:29] <debbers> Just wondering if there is anyone here that runs EmulationStation on their Debian machine?
2278[14:30:48] <debbers> ratrace I think I spoke to you yesterday ..... ?
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2285[14:35:47] <debbers> I have to go, I'll try to call back later. Thank you :)
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2295[14:41:22] <jm_> z3bra: I think that stuff simply does not work with such setups - does not work here with lightdm either
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2323[15:07:01] <atif69> hi
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2325[15:07:23] <atif69> any human ?
2326[15:07:52] <Haohmaru> nah, only alienz
2327[15:08:00] <Haohmaru> and some cow
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2329[15:09:15] <atif69> i am on kali linux and apt update is not working
2330[15:09:20] <Haohmaru> !kali
2331[15:09:20] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
2332[15:10:18] <atif69> when i try to do it it says sourse.list file is modified too many times
2333[15:10:22] <atif69> help
2334[15:10:57] <Haohmaru> see above ^
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2411[15:53:16] <CQ> hello, is there an easy way to clone just the hard disk structure and UUID, without cloning the data? Both drives are identical.
2412[15:53:27] <CQ> Is just DD cloning the MBR enough?
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2417[15:54:22] <bryanpedini> does somebody know why I always have this bug: the audio keeps switching to the integrated source device, I've read it's a common problem with front panel audio detection or something along those lines..? (replaced-url
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2441[16:09:20] <mason> So, yum and dnf will prompt me to add a key for a repository if I don't have one, but I'm seeing no such standard naming/location/use of GPG keys in apt repositories. Everything suggests manually adding them. Is there a concept of a standard location of a key for an apt repo?
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2443[16:09:57] <mason> Or if it's not defined, is there a common naming scheme/location for collecting a key in practise?
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2446[16:17:01] <lwp> mason, I'm no expert, but some pointers here:
2447[16:17:05] <lwp> !secure apt
2448[16:17:05] <dpkg> [apt-secure] Starting with version 0.6, <APT> performs signature checking of the Release file for all archives. See replaced-url
2449[16:17:43] <mason> lwp: Ah, thank you. Reading now.
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2457[16:20:37] <mason> lwp: Hrm, all of this seems to support the notion that one either gets keys as a package during install or using the traditional GPG/PGP retrieval mechanisms.
2458[16:21:07] <mason> Unfortunate. (And in particular, it's directly noted here: replaced-url
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2460[16:21:19] <mason> Thank you for the links. Seems authoritative. :)
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2462[16:22:00] <mason> Maybe I'll look at whether or not apt-add-repository does it differently.
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2464[16:22:43] <mason> Yeesh, or not, given the raft of dependencies that come with it.
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2494[16:36:06] <faLUCE> hello. In debian based distros, if I put a script in /usr/local/bin does it need to be marked as executable, or does it become executable automatically ?
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2498[16:38:50] <polyphem> faLUCE: YOU have to make it executable ... no magic =)
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2501[16:39:11] <faLUCE> polyphem: thanks
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2570[17:10:38] <uniqdom> Hello, I'm using cinnamon, I would like to create a launcher that runs a program with a different locale. I'm trying with a command like this, "LANG=es_CR.utf8 firejail thunderbird", but the launcher doesn't accept it. It says "The executable is not valid. It cannot be empty and spaces in the path must be escaped with backslash (\)."
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2576[17:12:54] <uniqdom> If I remove "LANG=es_CR.utf8 " it works. So, seems like I can't set a different locale. Is there any workaround that doesn't involve creating a script to launch "LANG=es_CR.utf8 firejail thunderbird"??
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2614[17:26:26] <f-a> I am setting up a qemu debian system. Are there ready-made images I can download of stable?
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2617[17:27:06] <jelly> uniqdom, maybe try giving firejail the absolute path to thunderbird binary.
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2634[17:31:57] <uniqdom> jelly, the problem persist.
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2637[17:32:56] <uniqdom> it's not a message from firejail, is a red icon show in the textbox where you should put the command to be run by the launcher.
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2639[17:33:22] <uniqdom> by hovering that icon with the mouse, that message is shown.
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2669[17:45:34] <uniqdom> Here is what I'm seeing in the launcher: replaced-url
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2682[17:53:06] <ws2k3> how can i delete all files with extension .zip in all subdirectories. of my current folder older then 2019/1/1
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2694[17:56:27] <jolt> ws2k3: You should look into using the "find" command.
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2696[17:56:50] <technobi> ws2k3: find . -name "*.zip"
2697[17:57:03] <jolt> He also needs to add a time constraint.
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2707[17:58:58] <alencc1986> ws2k3: as mentioned by technobi and jolt, read 'man find' and use it with a time parameter.
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2710[18:00:45] <JesusIsJehovah> I can do colors!!!!!!!! :D
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2712[18:00:57] <JesusIsJehovah> control K
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2717[18:02:18] <zay> Hey men!
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2719[18:02:54] <zay> What's up?
2720[18:03:19] <zay> Ok!! I leave.
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2723[18:03:29] <eindoofus> hi, does anyone happen to know how to get rid of this?:
2724[18:03:33] <eindoofus> bash: /usr/bin/rbenv: No such file or directory
2725[18:03:52] <zay> no, i know.
2726[18:03:54] <Ede|Popede> ,file bin/rbenv
2727[18:03:59] <judd> Search for bin/rbenv in buster/amd64: rbenv: usr/bin/rbenv
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2729[18:04:13] <Ede|Popede> eindoofus: change the script or install the package
2730[18:04:27] <eindoofus> i want it to quit looking over there and use what's in .bashrc
2731[18:04:36] <eindoofus> i already did a "sudo apt remove rbenv"
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2733[18:05:05] <Ede|Popede> yea. you removed it and something is calling it. so the other option, remove the call.
2734[18:05:17] <eindoofus> how do i find the call?
2735[18:05:31] <Ede|Popede> what do you do when it happens?
2736[18:06:06] <eindoofus> .bashrc is telling it to look at "~/.rbenv/bin/rbenv", which it ignores and looks at /usr/bin/rbenv
2737[18:06:35] <eindoofus> Ede|Popede, i just type "rbenv"
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2739[18:06:54] <eindoofus> typed*
2740[18:07:01] <Ede|Popede> is ~/.rbenv/bin in your $PATH?
2741[18:07:34] <eindoofus> echo $PATH shows "/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin"
2742[18:07:58] <Ede|Popede> so no. so it can't find the one in your $HOME. but it still looks for the other one
2743[18:08:10] <Ede|Popede> $ type rbenv
2744[18:08:22] <Ede|Popede> this --^ should may you that it's cached
2745[18:08:29] <eindoofus> "rbenv is hashed (/usr/bin/rbenv)"
2746[18:08:42] <Ede|Popede> $ hash -d rbenv
2747[18:08:58] <Ede|Popede> then you should get the equivalent of a 404 when you call it next time
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2750[18:09:35] <eindoofus> awesome. that worked. thanks
2751[18:10:14] <Ede|Popede> eindoofus: fine. and for the other one: you may add the directory to your $PATH or create a symlink in ~/bin or a wrapper script
2752[18:10:41] <Ede|Popede> it MAY have to run with ~/.rbenv/bin as cwd, no idea
2753[18:12:15] <eindoofus> odd. now i'm running into this when i open a new terminal window: "Command 'rbenv' not found, but can be installed with:"; "sudo apt install rbenv"
2754[18:13:55] <Ede|Popede> eindoofus: what kind of terminal? ruby based?
2755[18:14:17] <eindoofus> my mistake, think it's because i had deleted "~/.rbenv/bin/rbenv" while trying to fix this
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2757[18:14:47] <Ede|Popede> maybe it uses the complete path instead of relying on $PATH
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2771[18:22:42] <jelly> eindoofus, which debian release is this?
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2775[18:22:57] <jelly> it is somewhat unusual to have file-not-found installed on Debian
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2779[18:23:29] <jelly> and that's what providing the "not found, but can be installed..." line
2780[18:24:19] <jelly> (on the other hand, it's installed by default in a certain derivative starting with U)
2781[18:24:41] <jelly> (which makes me fufpifiouf)
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2784[18:25:10] <Ede|Popede> ,v file-not-found
2785[18:25:11] <judd> No package named 'file-not-found' was found in amd64.
2786[18:25:30] <Ede|Popede> hm... googling for a container thingy
2787[18:25:31] <jelly> maybe it's command-not-found
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2790[18:25:58] <jelly> ,i command-not-found
2791[18:26:00] <judd> Package command-not-found (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Suggest installation of packages in interactive bash sessions. Version: 18.04.5-1; Size: 24.9k; Installed: 103k
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2795[18:26:18] <Ede|Popede> oops
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2797[18:26:29] <jelly> my bad
2798[18:26:51] <annadane> !pal jelly
2799[18:26:51] * dpkg points at jelly and laughs uproariously
2800[18:26:53] <Ede|Popede> # apt-cachs show command-not-found
2801[18:26:53] <Ede|Popede> bash: apt-cachs: command not found
2802[18:26:56] <Ede|Popede> double down
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2804[18:27:05] <annadane> !pal Ede|Popede
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2807[18:27:43] <Akuw> i have a windows virtual machine connectiong to a VPN, so i want to connect to that virtaul machine from linux host and reach vpn
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2809[18:28:24] <jolt> Akuw: setup some port forwarding software on your wintendo, or a proxy of some kind?
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2905[18:55:36] <jvwjgames> How do I change the text of the Debian installer?
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2949[19:16:01] <lecethimon> I feel like my colors are washed and the rgb range is not set properly. Anyway I can check or change this? Having a hard time finding anything online. I'm on v 10.3
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2951[19:19:54] <jelly> does sshfs have a config file where one can put options to be applied every time?
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2954[19:24:38] <trek00> lecethimon: you can check if gamma is set to 1.0 for RGB: xrandr --verbose | grep Gamma
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2964[19:34:52] <dacencora> hey guys
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2966[19:35:39] <isnice> jelly: IIRC all the sshfs options are passed on the command line. back in my sysadmin days I just had a few shell scripts with all the options that I could invoke manually or run at boot
2967[19:36:11] <dacencora> I just installed Debian bullseye on a 2014 MacBook Pro with AMD graphics and the weirdest thing happens when I'm in X. A good 60% of the screen has a white square. I can see desktop icons over the white square, but when I'm in firefox for example, I can't see anything becasue the white square blocks it out
2968[19:36:19] <dacencora> Some kind of weird graphical glitch
2969[19:36:40] <dvs> !debian-next
2970[19:36:40] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2972[19:36:46] <dacencora> I'm thinking of booting a usb stick with debian buster, but I wanted to see if there was any obvious reason for this
2973[19:36:57] <dacencora> Oh ok. I think I'll just install stable
2974[19:37:56] <trek00> dacencora: i guess you installed firmware-amd-graphics
2975[19:38:06] <annadane> stable is good
2976[19:38:14] <annadane> stable is underrated
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2978[19:38:31] <trek00> stable is what debian is for :)
2979[19:38:31] <dvs> stable is no fun
2980[19:38:33] <annadane> for everything else there's backports + self compile
2981[19:38:47] <annadane> and flatpaks i guess
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2985[19:40:59] * diogenes_ prefers appimages
2986[19:41:24] <isnice> I like stable + backport latest kernel. It's like a mullet, business up front, party in the back
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2994[19:47:19] <dacencora> stable is pretty cool
2995[19:47:29] <dacencora> My usb stick just already had testing on it
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3005[19:50:51] <annadane> not that people should be advised to not use testing/sid if they understand the risks; more bug reports are always good
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3009[19:52:02] <sponix2ipfw> ,v obs-studio
3010[19:52:03] <judd> Package: obs-studio on amd64 -- stretch: 0.15.4+dfsg1-1+b1; buster: 22.0.3+dfsg1-1; bullseye: 25.0.3+dfsg1-2; sid: 25.0.3+dfsg1-2; stretch-multimedia: 1:19.0.2-dmo2+deb9u1; buster-multimedia: 1:23.2.1-dmo1; bullseye-multimedia: 1:25.0.3-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:25.0.3-dmo1
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3066[20:23:42] <ws2k3> i wanne recursively delete all files with extension .zip older then 2019-01-01. would this command do the job? find . ! -newermt 2019-01-01-name "*.zip" -type f -delete
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3069[20:25:37] <technobi> deletes tgz older than 7 days: find ./folder -type f -mtime +7 -name '*.tgz' -execdir rm -- '{}' \;
3070[20:26:02] <technobi> You can update that to given time
3071[20:26:04] <sney> with anything like this, test it with an echo instead of a delete and see if it lists the right files
3072[20:26:28] <ws2k3> sney thx for the good advice that is usefull
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3075[20:27:06] <ws2k3> sney like this? find . ! -newermt 2019-01-01 -name "*.zip" -type f -echo
3076[20:27:34] <greycat> -print
3077[20:29:01] <jelly> ws2k3, that seems fine, but replace -delete with -ls or -print to make sure you got the right files before doing the real, destructive command
3078[20:29:44] <jelly> -ls is possibly nicer than -print as it shows some timestamps
3079[20:30:05] <ws2k3> greycat jelly thx alot!
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3157[21:06:21] <arielfe> hey - im new to linux and having problems with my soundcan anyone help?
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3159[21:07:02] <jelly> soundcan?
3160[21:07:09] <arielfe> with my sound lol
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3162[21:07:54] <jelly> we car try to help provided you're running Debian (and not a derivative)
3163[21:07:55] <greycat> there's a space-eating virus. it also affected that guy who was using find.
3164[21:08:25] <jelly> it ate half of my "n" character, too
3165[21:08:31] <diogenes_> arielfe, we can't hear you.
3166[21:08:50] <arielfe> thanks jelly - how do i check what i am running?
3167[21:08:56] <jelly> !debian suite
3168[21:08:56] <dpkg> cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions.
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3170[21:09:07] <jelly> surely you know what you've installed?
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3174[21:10:37] <arielfe> lreplaced-url
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3176[21:11:30] <jelly> that looks like debian 10 alright
3177[21:11:47] <jelly> what issues do you have with sound?
3178[21:11:49] <jelly> !ask
3179[21:11:49] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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3181[21:11:56] <jelly> !alsa checklist
3182[21:11:56] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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3185[21:12:17] <jelly> hm, that may be outdated
3186[21:12:34] <arielfe> i think i tried most of it in the last couple of days
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3188[21:12:52] <arielfe> i had sound - and a few days ago it stopped
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3190[21:13:19] <arielfe> to make things worst - i tried installing nvidia drivers for my gtx1060 and then uninstalled them...
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3192[21:13:45] <jelly> well then go thru all the steps for confirmation; nvidia driver issues in THEORY should not affect sound a lot
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3194[21:14:07] <arielfe> ok will do
3195[21:14:45] <jelly> they might or might not add a new HDMI audio output device or take one away. What is your audio output? Built in speakers? Speakers connected to analog line out? HDMI TV or monitor?
3196[21:14:52] <jelly> Headphones? something else?
3197[21:15:47] <arielfe> I have Speakers connected to analog line out
3198[21:16:54] <jelly> as normal user, run "alsamixer", press F6, pastebin or upload the screenshot someplace and show the URL
3199[21:17:00] <arielfe> aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav does n0t work for root
3200[21:17:54] <arielfe> replaced-url
3201[21:18:16] <jhutchins> arielfe: Do you know the speakers are working? Try plugging them into a phone?
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3203[21:18:39] <no_gravity> Is it possible to make a keyboard shortcut to "scroll down a bit"?
3204[21:18:48] <jelly> okay, so most things look unmuted and maxed
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3206[21:19:10] <arielfe> hmm - i dont think i have the right cable to connect them to my phone
3207[21:19:58] <jelly> arielfe, does "ps -fe | grep pulseaudio" show any processes (apart from grep itself)?
3208[21:20:39] <arielfe> no but i think thats because i killed it just a few minutes ago
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3213[21:21:20] <no_gravity> Maybe I could map arrow-down to some other key?
3214[21:21:39] <greycat> if pulseaudio is installed, check whether timidity is using it up
3215[21:21:43] <jelly> arielfe, okay. While pulseaudio is still down, remove its config: rm -r ~/.pulse ~/.config/pulse
3216[21:22:13] <jelly> arielfe, then log off, log back on, verify pulseaudio started again, and see if there's any change
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3218[21:22:51] <jelly> the default output might have automagically changed to nvidia hdmi output for some reason
3219[21:23:11] <jelly> and by "default output" I mean pulseaudio's config
3220[21:23:12] <arielfe> dont think i have timidity on my system - i think i checked it already
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3223[21:23:43] <jelly> it is, however, weird that running a simple aplay as root while PA is dead did not work.
3224[21:23:52] <jelly> that should have worked
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3226[21:24:12] <arielfe> jelly - that is what i am thinking
3227[21:24:21] <arielfe> minute ill log out and back
3228[21:25:19] <arielfe> pulseaudio didnt start
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3232[21:27:38] <trek00> arielfe: may be /etc/asound.conf contains some pulseaudio redirect?
3233[21:28:10] <arielfe> trek00: i dont have that file
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3237[21:28:26] <trek00> good
3238[21:28:56] <arielfe> also trying to run aplay as root displays this: replaced-url
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3240[21:29:30] <trek00> arielfe: yeah with pulseaudio you can play only from your user
3241[21:29:38] <arielfe> thats what i thought
3242[21:29:52] <trek00> arielfe: try to run aplay as user
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3244[21:30:42] <arielfe> hmm now when i run "ps -fe | grep pulseaudio" i get this: replaced-url
3245[21:31:13] <arielfe> trek00: tried - no sound
3246[21:32:10] <trek00> arielfe: may be you need to unmute some pulseaudio channel? (sorry i don't use pulseaudio)
3247[21:32:23] <arielfe> tried that - nothing seems muted
3248[21:33:24] <jelly> arielfe, okay, now that PA is sadly running again, can you start "pavucontrol", switch to output devices, and see which device is select as default?
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3250[21:33:52] <p4r4n0id> beep
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3253[21:34:07] <arielfe> thats weird
3254[21:34:33] <arielfe> it wasnt there the last 20 times i checked pavucontrol - now i have dummy output
3255[21:34:43] <arielfe> i read about it a bit but have no idea what it means
3256[21:34:44] <jelly> if there's too much stuff, Show: only hardware devices
3257[21:34:48] <trek00> pulseaudio is full of issues :)
3258[21:34:49] <greycat> is it because of timidity again?
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3261[21:36:59] <arielfe> no i dont think so - dont have timidity
3262[21:37:09] <arielfe> trek00: so i read :)
3263[21:37:38] <arielfe> jelly: actually there is only the dummy output now
3264[21:37:54] <greycat> Have you verified the hardware is working? Speakers have power, and aren't turned down to 0 volume?
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3266[21:38:46] <arielfe> greycat: how can i verify the hardware is working? it did for the past year until a couple of days ago. speakers have power (they have lights coming out of them) - volume is pretty high
3267[21:39:07] <greycat> what changed a couple of days ago?
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3270[21:39:50] <jelly> arielfe, that is unusual. Is there "built-in audio" on the Configuration tab?
3271[21:40:09] <jelly> PA ought to pick up all the ALSA devices automatically.
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3274[21:40:36] <arielfe> its a bit hard to remember because work has been so hectic last week... i think i didnt like xfce - and tried to install more desktop environments
3275[21:40:48] <jelly> if it does not, there's some leftover config, and if it's not in per-user settings it's probably global
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3278[21:42:11] <sparky4> i cant upgrade to debian 10 because my graphics driver is not in the repository
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3280[21:42:41] <arielfe> jelly: No cards available for configuration
3281[21:42:42] <dvs> sparky4, what is your graphics card?
3282[21:42:49] <jelly> arielfe, huh.
3283[21:42:55] <sparky4> nVidia Geforce 6200 PCI
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3285[21:43:05] <arielfe> thats weird - wasnt like that before
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3287[21:43:29] <jelly> sparky4, ouch, that's very, very old. Well then, do not upgrade. Debian 9 will be with us for a while.
3288[21:43:37] <sparky4> ok good
3289[21:44:11] <jelly> perhaps you'll get access to newer hardware in the next 3 years or so
3290[21:44:12] <sparky4> i hate this :/
3291[21:44:20] <sparky4> nah
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3293[21:44:39] <sparky4> this pc is stuck on that GFX card because of windows Me backwards compatibility
3294[21:44:46] <joepublic> perhaps your old card with have the courtesy and decency to die
3295[21:45:09] <jelly> might be better to run Me in a VM once you get newer hardware
3296[21:45:19] <sparky4> it's not the same in VM
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3298[21:45:27] <jelly> assuming you need Win ME for a reason.
3299[21:45:32] <sparky4> yeah
3300[21:45:37] <sparky4> dogmatic reasons
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3303[21:46:02] <sparky4> to upgrade i need entire new computer and i will STILL use this one for file backup of my other pcs
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3305[21:46:44] <arielfe> ill try to reboot and see if that changes anything
3306[21:46:46] <jelly> companies are junking workstatiions dated 2012-2013 these days.
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3309[21:47:02] <sparky4> my 486 runs debian etch
3310[21:47:08] <sparky4> it BARELY runs it
3311[21:47:11] <dvs> O_OO
3312[21:47:23] <jelly> 2013 means intel ivy bridge or haswell, that can easily run debian 10
3313[21:47:28] <sparky4> it has usb! 8)
3314[21:47:47] <dvs> VL local bus?
3315[21:47:54] <sparky4> PCI
3316[21:48:03] <dvs> phew
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3320[21:48:44] <sparky4> VL is sexy
3321[21:48:48] <sparky4> i wish it won
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3323[21:49:02] <trek00> sparky4: do you really have a fully functional 486?
3324[21:49:10] <sparky4> ok wait
3325[21:49:11] <jelly> arielfe, dunno. I might have more ideas in an hour or so. If I don't fall asleep.
3326[21:49:29] <arielfe> jelly: thanks a lot for trying to help!
3327[21:49:36] <jelly> arielfe, it is however weird that alsa can see playback devices, but PA does not
3328[21:49:57] * sparky4 lazer eyes
3329[21:50:00] <trek00> arielfe: you may try to uninstall pulseaudio and see if audio comes back
3330[21:50:11] <arielfe> trek00: will do
3331[21:50:17] <sparky4> [sparky4@compy4]$ ssh -X tetra4
3332[21:50:18] <sparky4> is taking a while
3333[21:50:34] <sparky4> Linux tetra4 2.6.18-6-486 #1 Fri Feb 19 23:22:25 UTC 2010 i486
3334[21:51:23] <trek00> sparky4: i like that!
3335[21:51:31] * sparky4 nuts
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3338[21:52:08] <sparky4> replaced-url
3339[21:52:10] <sparky4> look
3340[21:52:18] <arielfe> !alsa
3341[21:52:18] <dpkg> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) is a Linux kernel component providing device drivers for sound cards. Ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <default alsa>, <alsa firmware>. replaced-url
3342[21:52:45] <arielfe> !alsa-checklist
3343[21:52:45] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
3344[21:52:56] <sparky4> what do you guys think?
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3346[21:53:38] <arielfe> now when i try aplay i get this: replaced-url
3347[21:53:53] <sparky4> replaced-url
3348[21:53:56] <sparky4> the memory
3349[21:54:00] <sparky4> 2 MB free
3350[21:54:01] <trek00> sparky4: a k5!
3351[21:54:03] <sparky4> holy fuck
3352[21:54:06] <sparky4> YES
3353[21:54:09] <arielfe> if i uninstall and reinstall alsa - will it bring back the default config?
3354[21:54:10] <gkwhc> hi all, im trying to boot my debian drive from another laptop. it boots to runlevel 1 but has trouble going into 3. how can this issue be diagnosed?
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3356[21:54:25] <sparky4> AM5X86@133mHz
3357[21:54:32] <trek00> arielfe: you need to remove with --purge to remove also configuration files
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3359[21:55:08] <greycat> purging alsa utilities wouldn't remove config files that you created in ~ or /etc/
3360[21:55:23] <greycat> there *isn't* any alsa utils config file by default
3361[21:55:29] <arielfe> i see - thanks
3362[21:56:30] <trek00> arielfe: aplay -l should list available devices
3363[21:56:36] <sparky4> is there anyway for me to upgrade?
3364[21:56:42] <sparky4> the compy4
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3367[21:56:47] <sparky4> not my 486
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3369[21:57:50] <trek00> sparky4: may be the newer debian you can install is stretch that have nvidia-legacy-304xx
3370[21:58:20] <sparky4> OS: Debian 9.11 stretch
3371[21:58:35] <sparky4> i mean upgrade to buster
3372[21:58:44] <sparky4> is it possible?
3373[21:59:09] <trek00> sparky4: if it have nVidia Geforce 6200 PCI not
3374[21:59:16] <sparky4> damn it
3375[21:59:29] <greycat> well, you could upgrade and then not use X
3376[21:59:31] <sparky4> oh well when it stops being supported i will find another distro
3377[21:59:45] <trek00> sparky4: as far I understand, you need nvidia-legacy-304xx drivers, but buster does not have them
3378[21:59:47] <sparky4> i need X for GAMES
3379[21:59:49] <jelly> sparky4, or something like netbsd
3380[22:00:04] <greycat> or put a second video card in it, or buy a newer computer
3381[22:00:29] <sparky4> i need a huge HDD to change oses
3382[22:00:45] <jelly> sparky4, what kind of GAMES run only on linux on a 5x86?
3383[22:00:53] <sparky4> not on the 486 XD
3384[22:01:00] <dvs> pong
3385[22:01:04] <sparky4> nah
3386[22:01:07] <sparky4> it can run quake
3387[22:01:11] <sparky4> i think
3388[22:01:24] <jelly> a newer machine can run quake as well.
3389[22:01:39] <openbsdtai123> what is a 5x86, meaning of 5?
3390[22:02:15] <trek00> openbsdtai123: it was a marketing move
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3392[22:02:19] <jelly> ,v quake
3393[22:02:20] <judd> Package: quake on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 8; stretch/contrib: 49.1; buster/contrib: 63; bullseye/contrib: 64; sid/contrib: 64
3394[22:02:36] <openbsdtai123> ah,, you mean a 586 after the 486 dx?
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3396[22:03:29] <trek00> openbsdtai123: at that time, intel sell pentium (586) and amd sell overclocked 486 (called 5x86)
3397[22:03:36] <jelly> openbsdtai123, a non-intel, but compatible chip, Via or AMD had stuff marketed as 5x86 or 6x86
3398[22:03:57] <jelly> intel never had their own 5x86
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3400[22:04:20] <openbsdtai123> ahh... forget debian for that... check my website: replaced-url
3401[22:04:30] <jelly> right
3402[22:04:39] <jelly> netbsd supports lots of old hw
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3404[22:05:14] <sparky4> hmmm
3405[22:05:25] <sparky4> i need to find a debian derived distro that supports my card
3406[22:05:29] <kristijonas> hello, i want to have a fresh install on my laptop, but I only have access to wifi, unfortunately, my wifi card needs non-free drivers
3407[22:05:50] <jelly> sparky4, forget about it on linux, you'll run old versions forever
3408[22:05:57] <trek00> sparky4: stretch will be supported until 2022 via LTS support
3409[22:06:06] <jelly> that's it, old hw gets to live with old sw
3410[22:06:08] <sney> !firmware image
3411[22:06:08] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
3412[22:06:11] <dvs> kristijonas, which Wifi?
3413[22:06:11] <sney> kristijonas: ^
3414[22:06:15] <kristijonas> iwlwifi
3415[22:06:19] <openbsdtai123> netbsd has the best hardware support ever... you will run whatever with netbsd.
3416[22:06:21] <dvs> then ^
3417[22:06:23] <sparky4> damn this is brutal
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3424[22:08:29] <sparky4> hmmmm
3425[22:08:36] <sparky4> tick tock
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3429[22:08:38] <sparky4> what if
3430[22:08:44] <sparky4> DUAL GRAPHICS CARDS
3431[22:08:51] <sparky4> with a switch bock hmmm
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3433[22:09:35] <kristijonas> sney, thank you, i will give it a try.
3434[22:09:50] <sney> sparky4: strip the oldstable install down to nothing and run whatever newer thing you want inside kvm? heh
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3436[22:10:01] <trek00> openbsdtai123: do you know if netbsd has DRM support for amd gpus?
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3440[22:10:46] <sparky4> i think bsd has less software support
3441[22:10:52] <openbsdtai123> you might visit the dedicated channel, ... there is the 9. that has new hw sup
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3449[22:14:25] <trek00> sparky4: do you need to update for something specific?
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3451[22:14:37] <sparky4> not now
3452[22:14:44] <sparky4> but if school requires it....
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3461[22:16:47] <arielfe> solved! sound is back :)
3462[22:16:56] <sparky4> <#
3463[22:16:57] <trek00> arielfe: what it was?
3464[22:17:00] <sparky4> <3
3465[22:17:02] <arielfe> thanks to everyone that helped :)) <3
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3470[22:17:42] <arielfe> well - im not sure - but i removed alsa and deleted all config files i could think of - then reinstalled alsa-utils - ran alsactl init as root and it started working
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3472[22:18:15] <sparky4> is there a distro with specifically new softwre on older kernals debian based?
3473[22:18:23] <sparky4> i dont know how to find one like that
3474[22:18:29] <arielfe> thanks a lot trek00 greycat and jelly
3475[22:18:53] <trek00> arielfe: good :)
3476[22:18:59] <arielfe> :)
3477[22:19:03] <greycat> sparky4: I seriously doubt it.
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3479[22:19:29] <sparky4> ohh....
3480[22:19:34] <trek00> sparky4: may be you can try to update all debian but not the kernel, but it is not guaranteed at all it will run fine
3481[22:19:37] <sney> sparky4: that's a pretty unusual use case, anyway you'll run into compatibility problems with that video driver and newer Xorg and/or libc6 even if you manage to stay with an older kernel
3482[22:19:59] <sney> I guess nouveau is a non-starter?
3483[22:20:15] <sparky4> i dont know how to switch back
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3485[22:20:35] <trek00> switch back to?
3486[22:20:46] <sparky4> nouevou drivers
3487[22:20:49] <sney> oh just delete the xorg.conf.d snippet and the blacklist from modprobe.d and reboot
3488[22:21:18] <sparky4> i did stuff to lock it out lock it out ...
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3491[22:21:52] <sney> look in /etc/modprobe.d, you will see your nvidia overrides there
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3493[22:22:07] <sney> linux wants to load nouveau automatically, all you have to do is let it
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3507[22:27:12] <blater> hi
3508[22:27:41] <trek00> hello
3509[22:27:45] <dvs> oi
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3512[22:28:40] <blater> i can on startup of my system debian start telegram application installed in /usr/local/bin/telegram ?
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3515[22:29:13] <trek00> blater: which desktop do you use?
3516[22:29:16] <dvs> blater, I would say rc.local but that's no longer in vogue
3517[22:29:22] <blater> gnome
3518[22:29:59] <trek00> blater: there is a configuration panel for the autostart of applications
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3520[22:30:12] <thejonny> start of the system or better at login?
3521[22:30:48] <trek00> thejonny: i think telegram is a gui application
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3523[22:30:59] <blater> yes telegram gui application
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3525[22:31:33] <blater> exist telegram whitout gui ?
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3527[22:31:44] <sney> they just don't know what it is
3528[22:32:02] <blater> a ok
3529[22:32:07] <blater> is a gui application
3530[22:32:08] <sney> gnome has an autostart function, point that at the telegram.desktop file that was added when you installed telegram
3531[22:32:44] <blater> i can set this setting by shell ?
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3533[22:32:51] <bencc1> does fonts-noto also install fonts-noto-color-emoji?
3534[22:33:31] <trek00> blater: may be you can configure it with gnome-tweaks
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3537[22:33:49] <thejonny> blater: the autostart applications are .desktop-files in .config/autostart
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3539[22:34:34] <trek00> bencc1: yes, with default configuration that install recommended pacakges
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3541[22:34:51] <blater> in the gnome-tweaks not present telegram in a list of program
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3545[22:35:44] <trek00> blater: i don't use gnome, but it should let you to add a new application
3546[22:35:46] <blater> telegram is installed in /usr/local/bin/telegram
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3548[22:37:06] <thejonny> the panel, desktop, or menu editor should be a "create launcher" entry
3549[22:37:30] <bencc1> trek00: thanks
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3552[22:37:57] <thejonny> or look into some .desktop file in /usr/share/applications or ~/.local/share/applications and edit it to your needs
3553[22:38:04] <blater> thejonny, .config/autostart is empty
3554[22:38:50] <thejonny> replaced-url
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3559[22:40:41] <thejonny> in the telegram settings, you can configure it to start on login, btw
3560[22:40:55] <thejonny> in settings->advanced->system integration
3561[22:41:47] <blater> I would prefer to learn how to set any software besides the telegram: D
3562[22:41:50] <thejonny> ~/.config/autostart/telegramdesktop.desktopif you select this, it creates
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3564[22:42:20] <thejonny> * if you select this, it creates ~/.config/autostart/telegramdesktop.desktop
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3566[22:42:24] <blater> thejonny, it is already present
3567[22:43:16] <thejonny> hmm, you said .config/autostart is empty
3568[22:43:22] <blater> what is the difference between /usr/share/applications and ~/.local/share/applications
3569[22:43:58] <blater> in the is presente telegramdesktop.desktop
3570[22:44:24] <blater> in the ~/.local/share/applications is present telegramdesktop.desktop
3571[22:44:28] <blater> :D
3572[22:44:35] <thejonny> /usr/ is for system wide installations, ~/.local for things you install just for your user
3573[22:44:57] <thejonny> ah, you can copy it to ~/.config/autostart
3574[22:45:08] <blater> i try
3575[22:45:09] <blater> :D
3576[22:46:50] <thejonny> and look into the file, .desktop entries are simple ini files
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3583[22:51:07] <blater> thejonny, i copy telegramdesktop.desktop in /usr/share/applications and now i see telgram in the menù of gnome
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3585[22:51:17] <blater> :)
3586[22:51:50] <thejonny> hmm, you should have seen it before...
3587[22:51:56] <trek00> blater: now try to logout an login again and see if telegram starts
3588[22:52:05] <thejonny> i don't know gnome very good anymore
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3590[22:52:50] <blater> now i copy telegram.desktop in ~/.config/autostart
3591[22:52:54] <blater> for startup
3592[22:52:57] <blater> correct ?
3593[22:53:00] <trek00> yes
3594[22:53:02] <blater> :D
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3596[22:54:14] <blater> the file is root:root in ~/.config/autostart
3597[22:54:18] <blater> mmm
3598[22:54:23] <blater> i change owner ?
3599[22:55:00] <trek00> blater: you should not use root for those things, but yes you should chown that file to your user
3600[22:55:11] <thejonny> you dont have to, but i would do it
3601[22:55:29] <blater> ok
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3604[22:55:45] <usney> Hi guys!
3605[22:55:58] <usney> Does lxde come with a lot of software?
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3607[22:56:08] <sney> lxde is just a desktop environment
3608[22:56:11] <usney> I already have gnome 3
3609[22:56:17] <blater> ok, now i go logout and login
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3611[22:56:22] <thejonny> hmm if you hardlink it from /usr/share/applications it would be root:root, too :)
3612[22:56:35] <usney> I mean this metapackage for that includes lxde sney
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3615[22:56:41] <usney> let me get the package name
3616[22:56:51] <blater> thejonny, not hardlink is a simple copy
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3618[22:57:20] <usney> well I can just apt update; apt install packagename and see if it installs too much.
3619[22:57:29] <blater> mmm, the correct is hardlink
3620[22:57:36] <usney> then press n enter if it is
3621[22:57:41] <sney> usney: you can 'apt show packagename' and look at the Depends and Recommends fields to see what else it will install
3622[22:57:50] <blater> i try to logout and login
3623[22:57:58] <usney> okay cool sney
3624[22:58:07] <thejonny> yes, but as trek00 said, for copying into your home, your should not be root
3625[22:58:25] <blater> seee you in 5 seconds
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3628[22:59:44] <usney> They will not stop gtk version of lxde right?
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3630[22:59:52] <blater> not work
3631[23:00:02] <usney> lxqt is just for people who want qt instead of gtk?
3632[23:00:59] <sney> as far as I know, lxqt is a fork, not a replacement
3633[23:01:10] <phogg> the original developers switched to Qt. Some people decided to fork it and continue with GTK, so now there are both
3634[23:01:54] <phogg> The main lxde guy wrote a blog post about how qt > gtk and he wasn't looking back. This was a few years ago now.
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3636[23:02:45] <thejonny> blater: is there something about telegram in ~/.xsession-errors?
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3641[23:05:24] <blater> thejonny, not exist ~/.xsession-errors
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3643[23:06:01] <thejonny> try journalctl --user | grep -C3 -i telegram
3644[23:06:26] <miskatonic> but qt is much more resource heavy than gtk
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3648[23:07:48] <blater> thejonny, replaced-url
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3651[23:09:10] <annadane> ooh pretty terminal
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3653[23:10:14] <phogg> miskatonic: not really. It depends mostly on your theme, and then on whether you use KDE framework libraries. Those are pretty heavy.
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3657[23:12:01] <blater> thejonny, it is work now
3658[23:12:08] <thejonny> blater: ok i don't know why you cannot read your users journal, according to the manpage (and on my system) this works
3659[23:12:15] <thejonny> blater: what works?
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3661[23:12:24] <blater> telegram on startup
3662[23:12:25] <blater> :D
3663[23:12:33] <blater> i correct the ini file
3664[23:12:47] <thejonny> what did you change?
3665[23:13:01] <blater> the exec
3666[23:13:07] <blater> in desktop file
3667[23:13:09] <blater> :D
3668[23:13:15] <thejonny> wrong path?
3669[23:13:18] <blater> yes
3670[23:13:33] <blater> thanks :D
3671[23:13:36] <jadax> CUPS is such a POS
3672[23:13:45] <jadax> I've been adding a printer for last week
3673[23:13:47] <thejonny> maybe it was from an old telegram installation
3674[23:13:48] <jadax> still not resolved
3675[23:13:59] <jadax> printer is showing up in CUPS (Network printer), but not printing
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3677[23:14:12] <blater> thejonny, yes
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3680[23:14:45] <blater> thejonny, now i wont to install gpaste for clipboard history xD
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3682[23:15:14] <blater> *want
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3684[23:15:43] <jadax> everytime I send a job to that printer, CUPS claims 'Unable to locate printer'
3685[23:15:52] <jadax> but when I print test page through CUPS interface - it prints just fine
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3691[23:22:48] <annadane> it's not a firmware issue, is it?
3692[23:22:55] <annadane> maybe missing some printer firmware
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3695[23:24:44] <jelly> "it's right there on the desk!!"
3696[23:25:11] <sney> an old workaround for cups is to add a new class, then add the troublesome printer to that class, and point network applications to the class instead of the printer directly
3697[23:25:13] <blater> who help me to install gpaste ?
3698[23:26:24] <miskatonic> what does qt-lxde use, for example, as a terminal emulator? konsole is kde framework dependent
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3701[23:27:24] <sney> miskatonic: looks like it's qterminal
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3703[23:29:28] <miskatonic> sney: ahhh i confused it with qterm, which has nothing at all to do with qt.
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3709[23:33:20] <lskifa> Hello! I created a ext4 on my ssd to install debian along my manjaro, can somebody help me setup the install on it? Im in text install and i dont get it
3710[23:33:35] <annadane> blater, it's in the repository. apt install gpaste
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3715[23:36:03] <blater> annadane, ok installed, now ?
3716[23:36:28] <annadane> now... it's installed? i don't know what your issue was other than "help me install it"
3717[23:36:32] <annadane> what else?
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3719[23:36:46] <blater> to use
3720[23:36:48] <blater> xD
3721[23:36:58] <annadane> man gpaste or /usr/share/doc/gpaste
3722[23:37:04] <blater> :D
3723[23:37:10] <annadane> probably the former
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3727[23:39:20] <lupulo> is it possible extract something of a executed program after it has finished?
3728[23:39:31] <lupulo> from the RAM or something?
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3735[23:44:56] <phogg> lupulo: the short answer is yes
3736[23:45:00] <lwp> lskifa, where are you in your text install ?
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3738[23:45:13] <phogg> lupulo: the long answer is "good luck with that"
3739[23:45:37] <lskifa> lwp [!!] Partition disks part
3740[23:46:41] <lwp> lskifa, do you see the partition you made for this install ?
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3742[23:46:47] <lskifa> Yep
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3745[23:47:18] <lskifa> lwp Yep
3746[23:47:33] <lwp> lskifa, can you ask a more specific question then ?
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3748[23:48:27] <lupulo> phogg, that is the reason of the fake random numbers?
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3750[23:48:47] <lskifa> lwp How do i further install from that point? When i choose theres whole lot of settings and idk how to set it up and further how to actually install on it once set up
3751[23:48:57] <phogg> lupulo: I don't know what you're asking
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3753[23:51:32] <lskifa> lwp i chose to is it as ext4 journaling fs intuitively (maybe right?) and to format it again, other than that im unsure how to proceed
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3755[23:51:41] <lwp> lskifa, replaced-url
3756[23:51:41] <lskifa> *use
3757[23:51:42] <lupulo> phogg, with what i could do it?
3758[23:52:32] <lskifa> Didnt know there are any, ill look into it and come back if unsure, thanks!
3759[23:53:10] <lwp> lskifa, it gives you choice of languages, and machine architecture
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3761[23:53:32] <lskifa> Ye, i arldy chose eng amd64, got it
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3764[23:54:23] <velix> Asterisk package on Buster is coming with an `init.d` file and a `systemd` file. Which one is used?
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3766[23:56:00] <lskifa> lwp This isn't helpful, it just kinda describes whats what reaally general, i dont get how i'd go about it from it
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3769[23:56:45] <sney> lskifa: the installer is pretty straightforward usually, just go step by step. if a specific step confuses you then ask
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3772[23:57:31] <lskifa> Why cant there just be a *install along* option
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3774[23:57:51] <lskifa> Do i need a mount point?
3775[23:58:00] <lskifa> Should i choose mount options?
3776[23:58:00] <sney> a mount point for what?
3777[23:58:16] <lskifa> I dont know either, i guess for the partition?
3778[23:58:30] <thejonny> for everything except swap, yes
3779[23:58:59] <lskifa> What kind of mount point do i need?
3780[23:59:06] <thejonny> the partition you want to install debian onto, has to be mounted as /
3781[23:59:37] <lskifa> Default mount options?
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3783[23:59:50] <sney> yep defaults
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