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0 [00:00:15] <dvs> Oh gawd. That's probably not supported yet.
1 [00:00:39] <dvs> So many people have come in here with trouble with their RX 570s
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3 [00:00:54] <sney> google says that gpu is from 2017 so it'd be weird for it to still be unsupported
4 [00:01:02] <sney> but I bet it requires the firmware-amd-graphics package
5 [00:01:30] * dvs may be confused with the RX 5700. Sorry
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8 [00:02:45] <mrjpaxton2> @sney: Yeah, I have that package installed for amdgpu driver. Just wondering if, for some reason, anyone is happening to try out Budgie for Debian is able to replicate that issue.
9 [00:03:15] <N9NU> i know there is an issue with the OEM driver
10 [00:03:30] <N9NU> dont know abt the 3rd party
11 [00:03:37] <sney> tbh until you asked I didn't even know budgie was in debian. but I've been a plasma user for years so I don't keep up on the other DEs much
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14 [00:04:16] <mrjpaxton2> Yeah, I wanted to try it out, because I really like the idea of a lighter Gnome desktop.
15 [00:04:19] <N9NU> plasma all the way ;
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17 [00:05:13] <N9NU> what drivers? proprietary or?
18 [00:05:24] <sney> N9NU: we already established they are using amdgpu
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20 [00:05:50] <sney> the ati proprietary driver is deprecated anyway
21 [00:05:52] <N9NU> OH GEEZ...MY BAD
22 [00:05:58] <N9NU> oops..thqt too
23 [00:06:18] <N9NU> getting used to new Logitech G910 KBD
24 [00:06:30] <dvs> mrjpaxton2, people usually pick mate or cinnimon
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28 [00:08:12] <N9NU> replaced-url
29 [00:08:54] <N9NU> replaced-url
30 [00:08:59] <N9NU> try that too
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32 [00:09:29] <sney> those issues don't seem to be related, if you want to help please at least do more than googling the video driver
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36 [00:10:30] <mrjpaxton2> Well, I can get the desktop to run, and pretty much everything else seems to work fine with Budgie, but that one issue where the dialog box doesn't show up might have to do with some sort of desktop/D-bus/ibus related thing... I dunno, just speculating.
37 [00:10:34] <N9NU> just looking at issue with that driver and Xrandr
38 [00:11:15] <sney> mrjpaxton2: have you checked the bts for this issue?
39 [00:11:27] <mrjpaxton2> Seems like there is a case where Budgie does not use regular Gnome dialogs for that prompt, for one reason or another.
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42 [00:11:55] <N9NU> so when u go into the gui it just shows a screen as you pointed to in ur first post
43 [00:12:14] <mrjpaxton2> @sney: I would try, but I don't even know how to describe the issue in the first place. Haha. I guess, "problem with configuring displays" would be too generic.
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47 [00:13:09] <sney> "does not show confirmation dialog" is how I would word it probably, but just looking through the existing bug reports for budgie would be a good start. I doubt there are very many in total
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50 [00:14:05] <N9NU> I can not select Gnome on Wayland in GDM login screen because it is missing. So i am nto able to run Wayland even though it should be default. I use AMDGPU free drivers and have RX570. How can I make it appear?
51 [00:14:14] <N9NU> im looking at that
52 [00:14:16] <mrjpaxton2> Okay. Well... maybe I can find a workaround that uses dconf or some configuration file for setting the default display so I can get the taskbar on the right screen? Hmm, I dunno.
53 [00:14:26] <N9NU> seems to go on with your issue then
54 [00:15:28] <somiaj> N9NU: did you install the non-free firmware, firmware-amd-graphics. I don't see why you don't have the selection there, but firmware can help graphical issues.
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56 [00:16:01] <sney> somiaj: N9NU is just suggesting non sequitors for mrjpaxton2's issue
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58 [00:16:38] <somiaj> ahh
59 [00:16:40] <N9NU> i personally do not use AMD GPU's....however, i have a few machines here (customers) that have your GPU and have just abt same issue
60 [00:16:59] <sney> where 'just abt same issue' apparently means 'literally any issue with the same gpu'
61 [00:17:22] <mrjpaxton2> I really don't know if it's GPU related.
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65 [00:17:40] <sney> it might not be if it's the only symptom
66 [00:18:11] <N9NU> that and specifically budgie uses core gnome components & getting desktop icons/dialogs to show up
67 [00:18:43] <mrjpaxton2> I've also disabled legacy boot, so this is also a UEFI system. Dunno if that would also cause any issues.
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70 [00:19:06] <sney> pretty unlikely. are you able to change monitor settings if you test with a different DE?
71 [00:19:14] <N9NU> that should not
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75 [00:21:09] <somiaj> mrjpaxton2: as a possible workaround, can you use xrandr directly set your monintor settings. I don't know why the dialog isn't showing, but could be just some bug.
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77 [00:21:38] <somiaj> Another test for desktop issues is to create a new user, and see if the new user using default configs has the same issue (sometimes strange config issues hide in $HOME)
78 [00:23:06] <mrjpaxton2> Okay, I will give that a shot. Thanks.
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83 [00:27:01] <N9NU> he leave?
84 [00:27:14] <sney> yes
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86 [00:27:21] <N9NU> i just found a solution...in the Solus forums
87 [00:27:26] <N9NU> lol
88 [00:27:41] <N9NU> ill alert em if he re-appears
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108 [00:40:24] <N9NU> the deault install doesnt come with 'ifconfig'??
109 [00:41:05] <BazookaTooth> N9NU: use ip instead
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114 [00:43:10] <N9NU> copy
115 [00:43:51] <sysbrk> 10-4
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118 [00:45:24] <annadane> no, 10.3
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130 [00:50:02] <N9NU> heh
131 [00:50:11] <N9NU> rgr de ars n9nu
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136 [00:52:43] <jadax> I've been using religiously apt-get on debian but I see many people use apt
137 [00:52:46] <jadax> should I switch?
138 [00:52:50] <Kysh> de N1FXY QSO
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140 [00:53:53] <sney> jadax: apt is recommended now but they are both still available, so if apt-get is fine for your workflow then you don't necessarily need to switch, except in cases where apt-get isn't supported like when release names change
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143 [00:54:25] <jadax> isn't using apt AND apt-get at the same time going to cause some sync issues?
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145 [00:54:47] <N9NU> n1fxy
146 [00:54:58] <N9NU> u got 12m or 17?
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148 [00:55:19] <sney> jadax: no, they're both using the same databases etc
149 [00:55:24] <N9NU> i got a 5 ele mono for each \
150 [00:55:36] <sney> N9NU: this is a debian support channel. if you and your radio friend want to chat, please do so elsewhere.
151 [00:55:47] <N9NU> my bad
152 [00:55:49] <Kysh> lol
153 [00:56:14] <N9NU> qrt
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156 [00:56:38] <annadane> !apt vs apt-get
157 [00:56:41] <annadane> never mind
158 [00:56:50] <annadane> iirc you're supposed to use apt-get in scripts
159 [00:57:15] <sney> yeah, apt even emits warnings if you try to e.g. grep its output
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161 [00:58:53] <jadax> ok, I will switch to apt then
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163 [01:00:54] <annadane> also it's shorter to type
164 [01:01:01] <annadane> also, progress bar
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186 [01:14:25] <karlpinc> apt is way too chatty for me. :-P
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190 [01:15:46] <Guest88> do u know minimal debian(main) demand?
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192 [01:16:01] <Guest88> no site explain
193 [01:16:09] <N9NU> to chatty?
194 [01:16:13] <N9NU> oh myy
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196 [01:16:24] <N9NU> ;)
197 [01:16:39] <Guest88> only stats
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211 [01:23:16] <annadane> Guest88, yes, one moment
212 [01:23:44] <annadane> Guest88, replaced-url
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216 [01:24:27] <Guest88> annadane about software, do u?
217 [01:24:36] <annadane> what about software?
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220 [01:25:30] <Guest88> annadane server, vm, adm
221 [01:25:56] <annadane> can you expand on your question? are you looking for software recommendations?
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223 [01:26:36] <Guest88> annadane category demand on these, virtualization, servers, adm
224 [01:26:51] <Guest88> annadane effort
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226 [01:27:29] <Guest88> annadane intermidiate layer
227 [01:27:30] <annadane> i'm still not sure what the question is, though you can browse software at replaced-url
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230 [01:28:11] <Guest88> annadane replaced-url
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232 [01:28:34] <Guest88> annadane thnak u
233 [01:28:44] <annadane> you're asking what takes the least effort?
234 [01:28:46] <Guest88> annadane thank you
235 [01:28:52] <joepublic> demand, meaning how many use it, is in popcon
236 [01:28:58] <annadane> !popcon
237 [01:28:58] <dpkg> well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at replaced-url
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240 [01:29:33] <Guest88> joepublic what is done, missing, like launchpad
241 [01:30:02] <joepublic> I am not that familiar with launchpad.
242 [01:30:18] <Guest88> joepublic ok
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249 [01:34:20] <prefixt> Hello! My bluetooth devices seems to require my reloading of the driver (using kernel 4.9.0-12 Debain Bullseye). Is there something I can do to remedy the need to reset my bluetooth driver every few moments?
250 [01:34:53] <Guest88> prefixt check h-node.org sup
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311 [02:01:06] <ritmo> guys anyone using the esr version of firefox or do most of you run the latest version already? (debian 10 here)
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316 [02:02:40] <annadane> well, not "latest", but latest stable version, yes
317 [02:02:44] <annadane> i don't run beta or nightly
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320 [02:04:59] <ritmo> i had some troubles with my vpn browser extension
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322 [02:05:06] <ritmo> but un 70+ it ran great
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324 [02:05:27] <ritmo> i just purged the 68.6.0esr-1 version
325 [02:05:35] <ritmo> but i think i just install it again and see if it works now
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415 [03:07:30] <nt80> my debian 10 installation periodically connects to fr.pool.ntp.org port 123 but I have no NTP daemon or client installed, what could it be?
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420 [03:10:59] <dvs> nt80, any /etc/ntp.conf file?
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423 [03:12:26] <nt80> no, dvs . it's a fresh installation
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429 [03:17:16] <somiaj> nt80: systemd has a ntp daemon to keep your clocks synced, one second.
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431 [03:18:02] <somiaj> the services name is systemd-timesyncd.service if you wish to disable it
432 [03:18:18] <nt80> ohh, thank you
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434 [03:19:03] <somiaj> yea, systemd runs a ntp daemon if you don't have another one installed
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451 [03:29:47] <karlpinc> Shame I never saw systemd-timesyncd mentioned in any of the release notes. (Which does not necessarly mean it wasn't there, but I do read them.)
452 [03:29:58] <neilthereildeil> hi, can someone please help me fix my Debian laptop's builtin mic? i dont know if the problem is with alsa or pulseaudio
453 [03:31:08] <karlpinc> !alsa checklist
454 [03:31:08] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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456 [03:32:03] <karlpinc> neilthereildeil: I hear pulseaudio uses alsa. So start by debugging alsa and then get pulseaudio working.
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461 [03:37:06] <dvs> karlpinc, why does seeing the timesyncd release notes matter?
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500 [04:10:37] <neilthereildeil> karlpinc: i dont even see the microphone device
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502 [04:10:49] <neilthereildeil> i think thats the first step
503 [04:10:54] <neilthereildeil> figure out why the device doesnt show up
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511 [04:19:16] <ball> Mornin'
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513 [04:21:02] <dolphinlovesban> Is Debian ran by pink-socked trannies? I just want to know.
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515 [04:21:15] <dolphinlovesban> Considering that they ignore my messages to fix stale packages, yes.
516 [04:21:25] <dolphinlovesban> I spam, ban evade, etc.
517 [04:21:30] <dolphinlovesban> >very fun dolphin
518 [04:21:35] <dolphinlovesban> I was called a sperg however
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520 [04:21:55] <neilthereildeil> dolphinlovesban: well, i guess you asked and answered your own question.
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522 [04:22:50] <ball> I'm not trans but I'd happily wear pink socks if the occasion called for it
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527 [04:26:13] <karlpinc> dvs: Because it looks like on some boxes both ntp and systemd-timesyncd are enabled.
528 [04:26:16] <joepublic> I also love pink socks.
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530 [04:27:17] <dvs> oh, that could be a problem. Fight, fight, fight, fight. ;-)
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532 [04:28:30] <trui> is the colour of the socks related to the logo? is it blue socks for arch?
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534 [04:29:04] <trui> and orange for ubuntu? ;)
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540 [04:31:12] <jif-guest> Hi, please I need help: asking here because no one active in #knoppix. I created a text file using knoppix livedvd latest. I saved to hd and rebooted to windowS. I then discovered i didn't save to hd, i saved to /home/
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543 [04:31:57] <jif-guest> i'm on a phone because i didn't want to touch anything. Is there any way to recover this file?
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546 [04:32:25] <lwp> probably that /home/ was in a ram disk, if you were working in a live system
547 [04:32:43] <karlpinc> jif-guest: That probably depends on how knoppix was booted. The likelyhood is that the file is gone.
548 [04:32:43] <ball> jif-guest: No, it's gone.
549 [04:32:54] <ball> ^- what karlpinc said.
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551 [04:33:53] <lwp> unless you have some kind of persistence pre-configured in your knoppix, and it is on a USB ? (unlikely, unless you did it on purpose)
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553 [04:34:22] <jif-guest> I debated that but didnt
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555 [04:35:07] <jif-guest> thanks
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600 [05:16:39] <neilthereildeil> hey guys
601 [05:17:10] <neilthereildeil> i followed the suggestions you all told me fo rfixing my internal mic in my dell precision 7520 laptop, but the mic is still not recognized
602 [05:17:17] <neilthereildeil> does debian use alsa-base?
603 [05:17:37] <neilthereildeil> should i be modifying /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf?
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606 [05:21:11] <sney> neilthereildeil: if you run 'arecord -l' in a terminal, what do you see?
607 [05:21:26] <neilthereildeil> as root?
608 [05:21:39] <sney> shouldn't matter
609 [05:22:01] <neilthereildeil> oh wow! i do see it...
610 [05:22:01] <neilthereildeil> card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC3254 Analog [ALC3254 Analog]
611 [05:22:27] <neilthereildeil> but then why cant skype see it?
612 [05:22:48] <sney> is your user in the audio group?
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615 [05:23:38] <neilthereildeil> yes, etc/group shows that neil is in the audio goup: audio:x:29:neil,pulse
616 [05:25:47] <sney> skype is a bit of an odd duck (and not officially supported) - if you go to e.g. replaced-url
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618 [05:26:42] <neilthereildeil> i went there in chrome
619 [05:26:46] <neilthereildeil> no its not detected
620 [05:26:54] <neilthereildeil> We can't find your microphone - that most probably means that it's either not connected, broken, or you don't have the proper webcam drivers (see below)
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622 [05:27:40] <neilthereildeil> we might want to test with a native application so we dont have to deal with browser security
623 [05:28:15] <sney> if you run 'aplay somefilename.wav' it should start recording
624 [05:28:25] <sney> sorry, arecord somefilename.wav
625 [05:28:39] <neilthereildeil> i tried that
626 [05:28:42] <neilthereildeil> nothing
627 [05:29:02] <sney> nothing as in...
628 [05:29:31] <neilthereildeil> i dont hear anything when i play that file
629 [05:29:43] <neilthereildeil> it created a file though
630 [05:29:58] <sney> and it said something like "Recording WAVE 'test.wav' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono"
631 [05:30:03] <sney> ?
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633 [05:30:17] <neilthereildeil> ya
634 [05:30:18] <neilthereildeil> Recording WAVE 'somefilename.wav' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono
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636 [05:30:44] <sney> if you open that file with audacity, is there a waveform (even really small) or is it just flat
637 [05:31:14] <neilthereildeil> in fiddling with all of this, my KDE system tray audio icon went away (i might have uninstalled that app). so i installed pavucontrol instead
638 [05:31:22] <neilthereildeil> pavucontrol doesnt say anything about realtek
639 [05:31:35] <neilthereildeil> i know realtek is the device to use because the windows dualboot on this laptop uses realtek
640 [05:31:59] <neilthereildeil> i opened it with mplayer and aplay but dont hear anything
641 [05:32:36] <sney> the suggestion to open it with audacity is so you can see if anything was recorded. it may just be very quiet.
642 [05:32:54] <neilthereildeil> ok ill install it
643 [05:33:04] <sney> audacity is an audio editor so you will be able to see the waveform without playing the file.
644 [05:33:13] <sney> huh, I thought it was usually in the desktop task
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646 [05:33:31] <neilthereildeil> also i increased the levels in alsamixer
647 [05:33:40] <neilthereildeil> but there are only 2 controls available in alsamixer
648 [05:34:19] <sney> and your microphone doesn't have a gain control. so let's make sure.
649 [05:34:33] <neilthereildeil> i dunno if it has gain control
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651 [05:34:38] <neilthereildeil> we might need to check the levels again
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653 [05:34:47] <neilthereildeil> audacity has a flatline waveform
654 [05:34:58] <sney> ok. nothing was recorded after all.
655 [05:35:22] <neilthereildeil> pavucontrol "recording streams" menu is also empty
656 [05:36:02] <neilthereildeil> i also have zoom teleconference installed on here if skype is an odd duck
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658 [05:36:32] <sney> well if arecord isn't getting anything then it's a pretty low-level problem.
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660 [05:36:55] <neilthereildeil> heres the contents of /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf: ptions snd-hda-intel model=dell-headset-multi
661 [05:37:01] <neilthereildeil> i dunno if its correct
662 [05:37:02] <sney> how new is that laptop? have you tried the backports kernel for a newer sound driver?
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665 [05:37:26] <sney> if your sound device is realtek then snd_hda_intel is probably not going to help
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667 [05:37:28] <neilthereildeil> im running kernel 5.4.0.0. the laptop is 2 years old. Dell Precision 7520
668 [05:37:48] <neilthereildeil> i tried looking for a list of options to put htere but didnt see anything
669 [05:38:40] <neilthereildeil> how would i specify Realtek ALC3254?
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671 [05:39:01] <sney> you wouldn't, but the driver is snd_hda_codec_realtek
672 [05:39:13] <sney> it doesn't have any driver options anyway
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674 [05:39:44] <neilthereildeil> i also didnt know what to put for model=, but i found a list here replaced-url
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676 [05:40:58] <sney> ah, I guess it is using intel hda. you can see driver options for that with /sbin/modinfo snd_intel_hda though nothing is really standing out here
677 [05:41:33] <neilthereildeil> is snd_hda_codec_realtek a module in alsa, or a driver module in the kernel?
678 [05:41:38] <sney> yes
679 [05:41:46] <neilthereildeil> yes to which one?
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681 [05:41:54] <sney> both. alsa is the linux kernel audio subsystem
682 [05:42:10] <neilthereildeil> but would i see a kernel module called snd_hda_codec_realtek?
683 [05:42:14] <sney> yes
684 [05:42:24] <neilthereildeil> hmm i should see that loaded in lsmod then?
685 [05:42:43] <neilthereildeil> ok snd_hda_codec_realtek IS loaded
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688 [05:43:13] <neilthereildeil> snd_hda_intel is loaded also
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695 [05:45:33] <neilthereildeil> sney: since you said its using intel hda, what should the contents of /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf be?
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698 [05:45:55] <sney> usually? nothing, autodetection just works
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700 [05:46:44] <neilthereildeil> i dont think i have a package called alsa-base even installed
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702 [05:46:51] <neilthereildeil> what should hte package name be?
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704 [05:47:02] <sney> files in modprobe.d are parsed at boot regardless of names or what packages are installed
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708 [05:47:32] <sney> so any options you're putting in there are being applied to the drivers when they load
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710 [05:48:04] <sney> that is unless they're in the initrd, but you can run update-initramfs -u after editing the files to make absolutely sure
711 [05:48:44] <neilthereildeil> well, i see all the relevant drivers loaded
712 [05:48:55] <neilthereildeil> you are saying realtek uses the intel driver?
713 [05:49:32] <sney> yeah, intel hda is an audio standard, I forgot about that. so lots of sound controllers are "intel hda" regardless of who actually made the chip
714 [05:49:46] <neilthereildeil> wow ok
715 [05:49:52] <neilthereildeil> then why is the realtek driver needed?
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717 [05:50:17] <sney> we're pretty far into the weeds now, I could only guess
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719 [05:50:45] <sney> you have sound playing, right? it's just the microphone that doesn't work?
720 [05:50:52] <neilthereildeil> yes
721 [05:51:10] <neilthereildeil> i guess i could add ANOTHER like to the alsa-base.conf file containing snd_hda_codec_realtek?
722 [05:51:25] <sney> snd_hda_codec_realtek doesn't have any options so that wouldn't do anything
723 [05:53:19] <sney> does the laptop have a microphone port on the side? do you have a 1/8" plug you can put in there, like headphones? see if pulse or pavucontrol detects a "microphone" when something is plugged in
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726 [05:53:42] <neilthereildeil> it has a port for the standard 3.5mm headphones
727 [05:53:49] <neilthereildeil> like you would plug into an android phone
728 [05:53:58] <neilthereildeil> i have headphones that have a mic built in
729 [05:54:01] <neilthereildeil> lemme check...
730 [05:54:40] <sney> if it's a headphone jack then that's not what we're testing, unless it's a combo jack
731 [05:54:55] <sney> some sound controllers only present the microphone if the actual hardware is present
732 [05:55:00] <neilthereildeil> i THINK its a combo jack
733 [05:55:04] <neilthereildeil> hmm
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735 [05:55:30] <sney> (and then if this works, the next step is to take your laptop apart and find where the webcam microphone connection is broken/loose)
736 [05:55:41] <neilthereildeil> in pavucontrol, input devices show "Hardware Input Devices" says no input devices available
737 [05:56:11] <neilthereildeil> however, show all input devices lists "Monitor of built in analog stereo"
738 [05:56:39] <neilthereildeil> sney: but remember, dualbooting windows 10 recognizes the realtek mic
739 [05:56:42] <neilthereildeil> and it works
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741 [05:56:53] <sney> argh, ok
742 [05:57:02] <sney> has it ever worked under linux?
743 [05:57:03] <neilthereildeil> so its a software issue
744 [05:57:33] <neilthereildeil> also system settings->multimedia->Audio Recording has everythign grayed out
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746 [05:57:59] <neilthereildeil> i dont think i ever tried it
747 [05:58:04] <neilthereildeil> so im not sur eif it ever worked
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749 [05:59:03] <sney> and you're *positive* that windows lists realtek for the microphone specifically, not just audio in general?
750 [05:59:34] <neilthereildeil> yea i saw the bar going up when i spoke next to the realtek entry
751 [05:59:39] <neilthereildeil> this is interesting
752 [05:59:47] <neilthereildeil> alsactl init Found hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Realtek ALC3254" "HDA:10ec0295,102807b0,00100002 HDA:80862809,80860101,00100000" "0x1028" "0x07b0" Hardware is initialized using a generic method
753 [06:00:07] <neilthereildeil> HDA:10ec0295 is the vendor/device ID of the working microphone on windows 10
754 [06:00:21] <neilthereildeil> so it sees the device
755 [06:00:50] <neilthereildeil> are audio devices on the PCI bus?
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759 [06:01:40] <sney> usually
760 [06:01:44] <neilthereildeil> sney: also see replaced-url
761 [06:02:10] <neilthereildeil> thats where i was told to put "options snd-hda-intel model=dell-headset-multi" in alsa-base.conf
762 [06:02:18] <neilthereildeil> and look at that comment under the solution
763 [06:02:28] <neilthereildeil> Also confirmed to work for Dell Precision 7520, Ubuntu 18.04 by marp.
764 [06:02:34] <sney> but your problem is with the laptop built in microphone, not a headset in a combo jack, right?
765 [06:02:41] <neilthereildeil> thats the exact model laptop i have
766 [06:02:46] <neilthereildeil> yes exactly
767 [06:02:50] <neilthereildeil> its the built in mic
768 [06:03:24] <sney> so a headset jack specific tweak shouldn't affect you at all
769 [06:03:42] <neilthereildeil> no
770 [06:03:54] <neilthereildeil> but everyone is using the deadset option
771 [06:04:25] <neilthereildeil> the same list i linked you earlier (replaced-url
772 [06:04:31] <neilthereildeil> thats actually how i got the list
773 [06:04:32] <sney> still, you tried this and rebooted and nothing happened, right?
774 [06:04:52] <neilthereildeil> yea
775 [06:05:01] <sney> qed
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777 [06:05:18] <neilthereildeil> ohh wait audacity lists it..
778 [06:05:28] <neilthereildeil> as an input device
779 [06:05:47] <sney> audacity probably just sees the same list as arecord, but try recording and see what happens
780 [06:06:50] <neilthereildeil> ohh wow that works!
781 [06:07:01] <sney> you got a recording?
782 [06:07:11] <neilthereildeil> yep!
783 [06:07:13] <neilthereildeil> nice!
784 [06:07:38] <sney> ok, so it's not a driver problem. somehow.
785 [06:07:39] <neilthereildeil> my hunch was that a program like audacity would have a quality recording system
786 [06:07:43] <neilthereildeil> hmm yea
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788 [06:08:03] <neilthereildeil> hmmm but why doesnt skype see it now?
789 [06:08:31] <neilthereildeil> and neither does zoom
790 [06:08:32] <sney> well, if audacity can do it by talking directly to alsa, and your other programs can't and they're using pulse, you could remove pulse
791 [06:08:43] <neilthereildeil> hmm what value does pulse add?
792 [06:08:44] <sney> audacity didn't change anything else about the system
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794 [06:08:58] <neilthereildeil> and how do u know audactiy talks direclty to als?
795 [06:09:08] <sney> because I've used it before
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797 [06:09:44] <Aliez> kk
798 [06:09:49] <neilthereildeil> why do i nee dpulseaudio?
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800 [06:10:41] <sney> pulse is supposed to help multiple applications produce sound at the same time, and manage multiple sound devices, but it's often optional
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802 [06:11:19] <neilthereildeil> yea i remember thinking linux was a joke when coming from the windows world and seeing only 1 application can play sound at a time
803 [06:11:21] <neilthereildeil> lolwtf
804 [06:11:30] <neilthereildeil> how can i remove pulse?
805 [06:12:00] <sney> 'apt remove pulseaudio'
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809 [06:13:29] <neilthereildeil> ok rebooting...
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820 [06:20:51] <nt80> is it possible to mitigate L1TF vulnerability on debian without disabling hyper-threads and installing non-free software? I heard there are kernel options that flush page tables that are disabled by default due to performance issues
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826 [06:23:56] <neilthereildeil> awesome, skype now works
827 [06:24:03] <neilthereildeil> the problem was pulse audio!
828 [06:24:12] <tynes> hey i have a question about using the debian control mail server?
829 [06:24:17] <tynes> is this a good place to ask?
830 [06:24:31] <sney> neilthereildeil: great, glad you got it working
831 [06:24:42] <neilthereildeil> thanks so much for your help!
832 [06:24:46] <neilthereildeil> and persistence
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834 [06:25:16] <sney> tynes: you can try, though if it's not in the documentation then a dev channel might know better
835 [06:26:07] <neilthereildeil> whats the KDE widget that sits in the systray for voue?
836 [06:26:32] <tynes> sney: thanks for the response. i want to retitle something from an RFP to an ITP
837 [06:27:01] <tynes> i thought that i was following the docs, but am getting an error back
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840 [06:28:05] <sney> afaik the syntax is 'retitle bugnumber newtitle'
841 [06:28:09] <tynes> retitle integer "ITP: package-name -- description"
842 [06:28:41] <tynes> i'll try again, i wasn't sure about whitespace
843 [06:28:42] <sney> the search results I'm seeing indicate that no quotes are neccessary
844 [06:28:51] <tynes> ok thank you
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846 [06:29:07] <sney> neilthereildeil: on my system it seems to just be called 'audio volume'
847 [06:31:04] <neilthereildeil> sney: how can i reinstall it?
848 [06:31:44] <sney> on a default panel, click the controls to the right of the clock and then select 'add widget' and it will probably be in the list
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853 [06:34:59] <neilthereildeil> ok thanks for all your help!
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1089 [09:14:56] <hudo> with regard to future dist-upgrades, what/where is the best/recommanded way to install perl modules from cpan, as root or normal user ? Later all 'perl modules' will be used from normal user.
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1093 [09:19:00] <bionade24> Can someone help me with my Xserver Problems? I have a Ryzen 3200G iGPU, latest buster and get Fatal Server error: Cannot run in framebuffer mode. Please specify busIDs.
1094 [09:19:27] <ws2k3> how can i install sasl2db on debian?
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1099 [09:21:58] <jm_> hudo: be careful doing it as root, I've seen people corrupt perl install by using CPAN as root
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1106 [09:24:35] <jm_> bionade24: have you tried using newer kernel from bpo?
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1126 [09:33:59] <bionade24> jm_: Is the kernel really the problem?
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1132 [09:39:11] <jm_> bionade24: to be honest, I don't know - I've only ever used nvidia cards with non-free driver or intel GPU where hardware was not exactly very recent
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1139 [09:44:25] <bionade24> jm_: I investigated and yes, you're right. I'm not very interested in new CPUs so I didn't expect the 3200G to be that new at it is. Upgrading to 5.4 helped.
1140 [09:44:39] <hudo> jm_so you recommend to install perl modules as normal user ?
1141 [09:45:49] <hudo> I'm asking cause by upgrading from jessie to stretch I came across a perl problem:
1142 [09:45:58] <hudo> /usr/bin/perl: symbol lookup error: /home/me/perl5/lib/perl5/x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi/auto/Socket/Socket.so: undefined symbol: Perl_xs_apiversion_bootcheck
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1150 [09:48:28] <jm_> hudo: in general it's probably a better idea (especially if it messes with binary files)
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1158 [09:52:08] <hudo> Does the normal user have to set some env perl variables ?
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1161 [09:53:19] <os_> hudo, it depends on script, i think
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1163 [09:54:16] <os_> some scripts need some env variable, but most doesn't
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1170 [09:58:15] <jm_> looking at perl -V output, I am not sure how it would work, man CPAN does mention install should work, and your output above suggests it knows how to find the files
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1196 [10:17:28] <zapatista> Tor stopped working on my debian buster machine. Anybody happens to know if transport etc. changed. Since I cannot reach the tor network itself. I cannot find out by myself.
1197 [10:17:41] <afidegnum> what's the difference between slapd and openldap?
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1209 [10:21:58] <watom> zapatista there is a new version in backports
1210 [10:22:09] <watom> zapatista also maybe you want to show your logs to debug
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1212 [10:24:08] <zapatista> OK I will check my debug logs first and try to figure out what's happening!...
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1214 [10:24:45] <zapatista> Since TOR is censored in this most most democratic country, I only can reach TOR network through transports.
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1216 [10:25:35] <u53r_4n0n_101> wait wait wait
1217 [10:25:37] <u53r_4n0n_101> zapatista
1218 [10:25:53] <u53r_4n0n_101> what?
1219 [10:25:58] <u53r_4n0n_101> what I've lose?
1220 [10:26:07] <u53r_4n0n_101> TOR? cesnored? wich country?
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1222 [10:26:31] <zapatista> The most democratic country of the world!... :D
1223 [10:26:52] <u53r_4n0n_101> USA?
1224 [10:27:22] <zapatista> Just being sarcastic. Never mind.
1225 [10:27:36] <u53r_4n0n_101> ah, ok
1226 [10:28:13] <u53r_4n0n_101> for a moment, i was scared
1227 [10:28:28] <u53r_4n0n_101> anyway, tor it's
1228 [10:28:34] <u53r_4n0n_101> it's... part of dw
1229 [10:28:44] <zapatista> DW?
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1231 [10:29:11] <zapatista> Dark Web?
1232 [10:29:12] <u53r_4n0n_101> no
1233 [10:29:16] <u53r_4n0n_101> yes
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1236 [10:29:45] <zapatista> I sometimes use it to reach censored resources. Never mind, I shall troubleshoot it.
1237 [10:30:11] <u53r_4n0n_101> Better run it in TAILS
1238 [10:30:26] <u53r_4n0n_101> in vm's
1239 [10:30:35] <jelly> afidegnum, slapd is the server component of OpenLDAP, depending on context they might be the same thing
1240 [10:32:46] <zapatista> Since TOR is censored, TAILS also must be configured to use pluggable transports.
1241 [10:33:16] <zapatista> TOR browser is working. What is gone is box's own TOR service.
1242 [10:33:51] <jelly> hudo, least problems for me happen if NOTHING is installed from cpan directly. I get as much as possible from the distro, and then use dh-make-perl to package up missing bits
1243 [10:33:57] <watom> to avoid censorship is not easier to use a vpn zapatista?
1244 [10:34:44] <u53r_4n0n_101> yes
1245 [10:34:54] <u53r_4n0n_101> but not so eficient
1246 [10:34:59] <watom> why not
1247 [10:35:10] <u53r_4n0n_101> sorry zapatista
1248 [10:35:22] <u53r_4n0n_101> he/she was asking to u
1249 [10:35:39] <zapatista> I don't want to pay for VPN. When you make payment, you are not exactly anonymous.
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1251 [10:36:02] <watom> oh i see. i thuogh you only wanted to access to content to make content
1252 [10:36:07] <watom> thought
1253 [10:36:12] <u53r_4n0n_101> wait
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1256 [10:36:19] <watom> *not to make content
1257 [10:36:21] <u53r_4n0n_101> watom
1258 [10:36:43] <u53r_4n0n_101> wich OS are using?
1259 [10:37:21] <watom> chrome os
1260 [10:37:26] <zapatista> This box is debian Buster
1261 [10:37:36] <zapatista> And I only use tor on this box.
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1263 [10:37:56] <u53r_4n0n_101> ok
1264 [10:37:58] <zapatista> since it is (probably) a debian issue, I asked about it.
1265 [10:38:13] <u53r_4n0n_101> box?
1266 [10:38:19] <jelly> zapatista, old tor version from the distro, or from upstream?
1267 [10:38:20] <zapatista> Computer, I mean.
1268 [10:38:35] <zapatista> I checked the version seems to be matching.
1269 [10:38:35] <u53r_4n0n_101> oh no
1270 [10:38:39] <zapatista> Just a moment.
1271 [10:38:44] <jelly> ,v tor
1272 [10:38:45] <judd> Package: tor on amd64 -- jessie: 0.2.5.16-1; jessie-security: 0.2.5.16-1; stretch-security: 0.2.9.15-1; stretch: 0.2.9.16-1; stretch-updates: 0.2.9.16-1; stretch-backports: 0.3.5.8-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.3.5.8-1; buster-proposed-updates: 0.3.5.10-1; buster-security: 0.3.5.10-1; stretch-backports-sloppy: 0.4.2.6-1~bpo9+1; buster-backports: 0.4.2.7-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 0.4.2.7-1;
1273 [10:38:47] <judd> sid: 0.4.2.7-1; experimental: 0.4.3.2-alpha-1
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1276 [10:39:22] <jelly> zapatista, if from the distro, see if upgrading to one in backports helps.
1277 [10:39:28] <jelly> !buster-backports
1278 [10:39:28] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See replaced-url
1279 [10:39:37] <zapatista> On bust it does not work out of the box. You need to add pluggable transport.
1280 [10:39:46] <zapatista> Which requires you to set some apparmor thing.
1281 [10:39:51] <zapatista> Quite complicated.
1282 [10:40:01] <zapatista> I did a few times. But if you ask me how I did.
1283 [10:40:01] * jelly has no clue about Tor
1284 [10:40:12] <zapatista> I have no idea about it.
1285 [10:40:24] <watom> uhm why you say in buster? or even in debian
1286 [10:40:37] <watom> sounds like you don't use just tor but something lese
1287 [10:40:54] <zapatista> What can it be?
1288 [10:41:00] <watom> pluggable transport ?
1289 [10:41:01] <u53r_4n0n_101> and, zapatista, you want to tor for access to where all we know?
1290 [10:41:08] <watom> do you mean obfs?
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1292 [10:41:19] <zapatista> I am trying to reach some torrent sites, which are censored here.
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1294 [10:41:28] <zapatista> obfs does not work.
1295 [10:41:35] <zapatista> The other one, which I forget.
1296 [10:41:44] <u53r_4n0n_101> obfs?
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1298 [10:41:56] <zapatista> The other one uses the cloud.
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1300 [10:42:00] <zapatista> Let me check.
1301 [10:42:55] <zapatista> it is called meek.
1302 [10:43:50] <zapatista> When you add meek, you need to make some changes to apparmor too.
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1304 [10:44:13] <zapatista> Otherwise it does not work (because of the censorship).
1305 [10:44:47] <u53r_4n0n_101> it says it's deprecated
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1307 [10:45:11] <zapatista> meek is deprecated?
1308 [10:45:23] <zapatista> That's why it stopped working.
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1311 [10:45:48] <u53r_4n0n_101> no
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1313 [10:46:01] <u53r_4n0n_101> obfs it's
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1315 [10:46:28] <zapatista> OBFS was not working in this place for a loooong time either.
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1317 [10:46:43] <jelly> zapatista, which version of tor do you have installed?
1318 [10:46:55] <jelly> maybe just upgrading could help things
1319 [10:47:15] <zapatista> 0.3.5.10.
1320 [10:47:30] <zapatista> However it (the repository) says it is the latest.
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1322 [10:47:45] <jelly> go install from buster-backports and see if there's any difference.
1323 [10:47:53] <zapatista> I will.
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1325 [10:48:20] <noqnio1> Hi. I'm on debian testing and I just noticed that there are no single queue IO schedulers available for my HDD, and I would like to use CFQ. Is this a bug? Shouldn't single queue schedulers be available for HDDs ?
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1327 [10:48:44] <u53r_4n0n_101> but backports were stable?
1328 [10:48:47] <jelly> noqnio1, those don't exist in newer kernels
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1331 [10:49:19] <noqnio1> I thought they offered superior performance for SCSI devices ?
1332 [10:49:42] <jelly> noqnio1, do you have an actual performance issue?
1333 [10:50:21] <noqnio1> I went down the rabbit hole when libvirt couldn't start a domain that had a blkiotune.weight parameter
1334 [10:50:40] <noqnio1> But I haven't benchmarked the performance of the HDD
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1341 [10:55:34] <jm_> maybe you can use bfq instead, i think there were some issues, but they were fixed in newer kernels
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1343 [10:56:46] <noqnio1> It seems to not be available. Is it a module?
1344 [10:57:05] <noqnio1> Yes, modprobe bfq worked hehe
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1350 [11:01:14] <noqnio1> Maybe I should benchmark mq-deadline vs bfq on my machine. Is there any tool to test random writes on the HDD?
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1366 [11:11:18] <u53r_4n0n_101> linux mint came from ubuntu, right? and ubuntu came from debian
1367 [11:11:22] <u53r_4n0n_101> so
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1370 [11:12:11] <jelly> noqnio1, if you really have an old scsi device it's going to be slow one way or the other. Rule of thumb for servers, keep using deadline / mq-deadline unless you know a lot better.
1371 [11:12:11] <Haohmaru> !based on debian
1372 [11:12:12] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
1373 [11:12:21] <u53r_4n0n_101> no no no
1374 [11:12:26] <u53r_4n0n_101> I have debian
1375 [11:12:29] <u53r_4n0n_101> i386
1376 [11:12:31] <jelly> !lmde
1377 [11:12:31] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
1378 [11:12:34] <jelly> !mint
1379 [11:12:35] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
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1382 [11:12:48] <u53r_4n0n_101> right
1383 [11:12:51] <u53r_4n0n_101> then
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1385 [11:13:10] <jelly> u53r_4n0n_101, they have had various releases, some based off ubuntu, some off debian
1386 [11:13:16] <u53r_4n0n_101> If I install lxc in debian, it should be working smooth, right?
1387 [11:13:25] <jelly> !tias
1388 [11:13:26] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
1389 [11:13:36] <u53r_4n0n_101> thanks
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1393 [11:16:26] <u53r_4n0n_101> i386 has support for emulations?
1394 [11:16:27] <u53r_4n0n_101> pardon
1395 [11:16:34] <u53r_4n0n_101> for virtualization
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1397 [11:17:45] <u53r_4n0n_101> talking about debian netinstall
1398 [11:18:09] <oerheks> u53r_4n0n_101, does your CPU support VT-X ?
1399 [11:19:01] <u53r_4n0n_101> how can I know it?
1400 [11:19:04] <u53r_4n0n_101> excuse me
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1402 [11:19:21] <u53r_4n0n_101> I'm not I.T.
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1404 [11:19:44] <u53r_4n0n_101> I'm an autodidact
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1406 [11:20:05] <u53r_4n0n_101> But I'll search what you said
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1409 [11:21:09] <oerheks> VT-x for intel, or AMD-v for Amd, virtualbox wants that extention in your cpu
1410 [11:21:31] <u53r_4n0n_101> oh
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1416 [11:23:32] <afidegnum> using debian stretch, while setting up phpldapadmin, how do i configure samba users attached to ldap ?
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1418 [11:24:17] <u53r_4n0n_101> seems to be that I must quit and see if I can enable (or if I have) this.
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1420 [11:24:51] <u53r_4n0n_101> @afidegnum thanks!
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1422 [11:25:22] <ratrace> afidegnum: check this out replaced-url
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1424 [11:27:38] <ratrace> I'm not sure virtualbox requires vt-x, except for x86_64 virt (but the host here is x86_32). qemu-kvm most definitely does.
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1426 [11:28:02] <ratrace> anyway, vbox is no more in buster, so that tidbit is probably irrelevant
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1431 [11:29:38] <afidegnum> ratrace: i have a domain name, myngo.org should i set dc=myngo, dc=org and the IP address as public IP ?
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1434 [11:30:14] <ratrace> afidegnum: I don't know how to answer that.
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1458 [11:47:39] <u53r_4n0n_10> and for install lxc?
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1479 [11:59:10] <u53r_4n0n_10> no
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1483 [11:59:56] <u53r_4n0n_10> this doesn't have it
1484 [12:00:13] <u53r_4n0n_10> VT-x
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1486 [12:00:20] <NotSoSlimShady> Hello! I am encountering issues regarding a hdmi to vga converter on a Debian 10 machine using a nvidia gpu with proprietary drivers and an old monitor with vga. The converter in question is functional. After removing the dedicated gpu i was able to get video from the motherboard vga port, from the hdmi motherboard port along with the converter i wasnt able to get video. Has anyone ever encountered this problem?
1487 [12:00:58] <ratrace> u53r_4n0n_10: check /proc/cpuinfo if keywords like "vmx" or "svm" appear under "flags"
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1489 [12:01:18] <ratrace> u53r_4n0n_10: LXC is namespacing/containerization, and not virtualization, doens't require HW support
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1494 [12:04:23] <u53r_4n0n_10> ratrace: none of both. any other?
1495 [12:04:44] <jelly> u53r_4n0n_10, which cpu model is it? vmx can be disabled in bios.
1496 [12:04:54] <ratrace> u53r_4n0n_10: nope. but you can also verify by checking cpu specs. which cpu is that?
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1498 [12:05:16] <jelly> u53r_4n0n_10, grep model.name /proc/cpuinfo |head -n1
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1503 [12:07:00] <u53r_4n0n_10> intel r atom tm cpu n2600 @1.60Ghz
1504 [12:07:09] <u53r_4n0n_10> sorry 4 the delay
1505 [12:07:34] <u53r_4n0n_10> mine connection is slow and I'm a bit tired
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1508 [12:07:51] <u53r_4n0n_10> I get up at 4:30
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1510 [12:07:53] <jelly> oh, N2600 does not have VT-x
1511 [12:08:03] <ratrace> yeah, none of that. replaced-url
1512 [12:08:04] <u53r_4n0n_10> now it's 7:30
1513 [12:08:06] <u53r_4n0n_10> oh no
1514 [12:08:11] <u53r_4n0n_10> well
1515 [12:08:33] <u53r_4n0n_10> at least can i use it on a amd64?
1516 [12:08:33] <jelly> containers it is for you
1517 [12:08:46] <ratrace> u53r_4n0n_10: you should be able to use virtualbox, just not with 64-bit guests. however, there's no virtualbox in buster
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1519 [12:08:49] <u53r_4n0n_10> let me tell you its info
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1521 [12:09:06] <u53r_4n0n_10> oh
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1528 [12:11:06] <trek00> NotSoSlimShady: searching on the web, it seems hdmi to vga may be problematic, may be you need an "active" converter or a dvi or dp to vga converter
1529 [12:11:13] <u53r_4n0n_10> just asking
1530 [12:11:41] <NotSoSlimShady> The converter is working
1531 [12:11:59] <NotSoSlimShady> I tested it on multiple machines
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1533 [12:12:20] <u53r_4n0n_10> would you need the info of my amd64? or not? buster (this version) does not have spport for virtualbox?
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1536 [12:12:41] <trek00> NotSoSlimShady: is it working on the same hardware with a different operating system?
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1539 [12:13:15] <NotSoSlimShady> on the same hardware no
1540 [12:13:27] <NotSoSlimShady> ill check
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1542 [12:13:54] <NotSoSlimShady> it doesnt even work in bios configuration via hdmi
1543 [12:14:03] <trek00> NotSoSlimShady: it may be you nvidia card does not work with a passive converter
1544 [12:14:14] <ratrace> u53r_4n0n_10: sure, post it. no, buster does not package virtualbox due to patching problems with the upstream. but I think there's alternative ways, if you wanna use it, I think the upstream has its own deb repo.
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1548 [12:15:08] <NotSoSlimShady> even the motherboard hdmi is not working
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1550 [12:15:39] <afidegnum> can anyone please clarify these 2 docs for me please? replaced-url
1551 [12:16:02] <u53r_4n0n_10> yes, give me a moment
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1554 [12:17:06] <trek00> afidegnum: what is it unclear?
1555 [12:18:03] <afidegnum> one doc is LDAP authentication with sambaserver setup, and another is samba with ldap backend which is a bit confusing for me
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1560 [12:20:05] <CAZALS> Hey
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1562 [12:20:10] <CAZALS> how are you ?
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1564 [12:20:20] <u53r_4n0n_10> fine
1565 [12:20:24] <u53r_4n0n_10> and u?
1566 [12:20:31] <CAZALS> fine thank you
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1568 [12:20:51] <CAZALS> Where are you from?
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1570 [12:21:23] <u53r_4n0n_10> well
1571 [12:21:30] <u53r_4n0n_10> I have the snapshot
1572 [12:21:44] <u53r_4n0n_10> it's a MSI
1573 [12:21:57] <u53r_4n0n_10> A68HM-E33 V2
1574 [12:22:00] <trek00> afidegnum: what do you need? a samba server authenticated with ldap or a samba server used as domain controller?
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1576 [12:22:20] <u53r_4n0n_10> How I upload it?
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1579 [12:25:33] <afidegnum> trek00: this is where it gets confusing, i think the first option. i don't know much the difference between the 2, what i need is a user accessing his ldap server and has it's basic config files setup from wondws, and he can seamless use his account
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1582 [12:27:09] <trek00> afidegnum: well if you have already a domain controller on a windows system, then you only need to configure samba to use the ldap server, thus SAMBAServerSetup should be the correct page
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1584 [12:28:26] <simplicius> hello
1585 [12:28:43] <simplicius> I cannot execute a script in my /home/user/bin dir
1586 [12:29:33] <afidegnum> trek00: should the domain controller be on windows or Linux?
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1588 [12:30:11] <trek00> afidegnum: it can be on windows or linux, it's your choice
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1592 [12:30:31] <afidegnum> i want it to be on linux
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1597 [12:31:57] <trek00> afidegnum: i'm not an expert about microsoft stuff, but if you want a domain controller on linux, the page you need is SambaDcWithLdapBackend
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1599 [12:32:18] <afidegnum> ok
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1602 [12:33:52] <afidegnum> i have nginx setup already, do i need to install phpLDAPadmin via apt-get or i should download and drop into the default web directory?
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1610 [12:36:14] <topogigio> list please
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1614 [12:38:18] <trek00> afidegnum: i don't know sorry, never used it, but phpLDAPadmin is not in buster, current stable, may be you need to drop into the web directory
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1621 [12:41:07] <topogigio> list
1622 [12:41:18] <Haohmaru> 1, 2, 3
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1624 [12:41:48] <topogigio> please list
1625 [12:42:04] <dvs> replaced-url
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1628 [12:42:18] <trek00> topogigio: which list?
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1630 [12:44:38] <ratrace> warez list
1631 [12:44:45] <joepublic> /list
1632 [12:44:58] <Haohmaru> warez == full of viruses
1633 [12:45:17] <trek00> Haohmaru: runs your virus under wine, they do nothing :)
1634 [12:45:19] <afidegnum> ok
1635 [12:45:32] <topogigio> 1,2,3
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1637 [12:45:51] <ratrace> trek00: think again, CVE-2017-11421
1638 [12:45:53] <Haohmaru> trek00 i don't have wine
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1641 [12:46:27] <trek00> ratrace: wow gnome is vulnerable! :D
1642 [12:46:32] <Haohmaru> and i wouldn't assume wine somehow stops viruses from working
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1645 [12:47:07] <ratrace> Haohmaru: it doesn't. windows kernel exploiting ones, yes, probably. various vbscripts and similar? probably work fine under wine.
1646 [12:47:15] <trek00> Haohmaru: they works, confined inside the wine environment, but if you allow wine to access all the filesystem (default configuration) you may experience some problem
1647 [12:47:41] <Haohmaru> i'll try to NOT have to use wine.. ever
1648 [12:47:48] <trek00> ;)
1649 [12:47:58] <Haohmaru> i keep the ugly sh*t on a crapdows machine, the nicer things on a debian machine
1650 [12:48:13] <jelly> !list
1651 [12:48:13] <dpkg> jelly: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi replaced-url
1652 [12:48:29] <Haohmaru> and looking forward to throw the crapdows away
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1654 [12:48:44] <trek00> Haohmaru: i'm supporting your setup :)
1655 [12:48:57] <joepublic> what is a "crap dow"?
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1657 [12:49:06] <dvs> jelly, aww. Why show him how to do it? :-(
1658 [12:49:13] <trek00> Haohmaru: the worst scenario is dualboot, where windows can get full control of your disks
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1661 [12:49:25] <ratrace> ma perche e scritto in italiano?
1662 [12:49:49] <Haohmaru> como?
1663 [12:49:59] <trek00> joepublic: crapdows or ms-windows :)
1664 [12:50:07] <Haohmaru> je nes sprachen ze espanol
1665 [12:50:10] <joepublic> oh. very mature.
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1668 [12:50:24] <ratrace> it is, R-rated
1669 [12:50:30] <ratrace> no kids should be using that.
1670 [12:50:34] <trek00> joepublic: yes, a very long history of bad implementations :)
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1672 [12:50:38] <joepublic> je sprachen ze español.
1673 [12:51:01] <trek00> !list
1674 [12:51:01] <dpkg> trek00: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a replaced-url
1675 [12:51:20] <Haohmaru> for now there are only a few things left which i do on windows that are.. difficult to do on linux
1676 [12:51:52] <ratrace> Haohmaru: like, using a normal desktop? d^.^b *runs*
1677 [12:52:06] <Haohmaru> ratrace music
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1679 [12:52:23] <trek00> :D
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1683 [12:55:00] <Haohmaru> technically i could run those things to some extent with wine, but i don't count this as an option
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1686 [12:55:56] <trek00> Haohmaru: i use wine for games
1687 [12:56:22] <Haohmaru> luckily i've stopped playing games pretty much many years ago
1688 [12:56:31] <trek00> :(
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1693 [12:58:20] <u53r_4n0n_10> hi again
1694 [12:58:27] <u53r_4n0n_10> what i've lost?
1695 [12:58:29] <Haohmaru> there's OpenArena on debian (quake3-like) so that's okay enough for me
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1697 [12:58:51] <trek00> Haohmaru: good, now i'm more happy :)
1698 [12:58:54] <u53r_4n0n_10> u know there's a terminal radio?
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1701 [12:59:54] <Haohmaru> oh, and an excelent PS1 emulator, i have three games from my PS1 which i kept
1702 [13:00:22] <Haohmaru> it's called mednaffen or some such
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1704 [13:00:44] <ratrace> Haohmaru: "luckily i've stopped playing games" ? luckily? that's very sad really...
1705 [13:00:56] <Haohmaru> why sad?
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1707 [13:01:05] <trek00> videogames are art
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1709 [13:01:18] <ratrace> people <cynical air quotes>grow up</cynical air qoutes> and think they mustn't play any more..... brainwashed lot.
1710 [13:01:21] <Haohmaru> many of them are autogenerated
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1712 [13:01:32] <afidegnum> please, i'm having an issue, Failed to preset unit: Unit file /etc/systemd/system/samba-ad-dc.service is masked.
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1715 [13:02:45] <Haohmaru> ratrace i have very limited spare time.. i have tons of ideas.. playing games is fun (if the games are good) but just.. lost time
1716 [13:02:54] <ratrace> make time for gaems!
1717 [13:03:01] <trek00> afidegnum: may be this can help replaced-url
1718 [13:03:03] <Haohmaru> uh-uh
1719 [13:03:20] <ratrace> I play even at work.
1720 [13:03:25] <trek00> eheheh
1721 [13:03:28] <Haohmaru> aww, ur fired
1722 [13:03:38] <ratrace> nobody has that authority :)
1723 [13:03:51] <Haohmaru> ur teh bo$$?
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1726 [13:04:33] <ratrace> no, a partner
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1730 [13:04:56] <ratrace> and the only one who understands the details of how our very complex infra is set up :)
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1732 [13:05:26] <trek00> afidegnum: tell me if unmask is not working, may be we find another solution
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1745 [13:12:51] <afidegnum> unmask is not working, but i'm following the rest of the configuraitons
1746 [13:12:59] <afidegnum> and faced another challenge
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1749 [13:13:38] <afidegnum> trek00: there is a dedicated package replaced-url
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1752 [13:14:11] <afidegnum> should i instead add this line in ldap.conf ? include /etc/ldap/schema/samba.schema
1753 [13:14:21] <topogigio> #debian
1754 [13:14:38] <topogigio> list
1755 [13:14:56] <ratrace> topogigio: Command list successful. Warez found: 0
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1760 [13:16:51] <topogigio> come si fa per entrare
1761 [13:17:05] <ratrace> topogigio: per entrare dove?
1762 [13:17:20] <Haohmaru> 1. MSPaint_full_version_cracked.rar, 2. calc_exe_+keygen.zip, 3. justinbimberlake-sorry[HQ].wma
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1764 [13:17:47] <topogigio> nella lista
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1766 [13:18:49] <inch> #debian-offtopic
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1768 [13:19:09] <ratrace> topogigio: quale lista?
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1841 [14:05:05] <trek00> afidegnum: sorry i can't help much on these issues, may be someone know better
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1847 [14:09:09] <zodd> afidegnum, samba is way way way ahead with ldap support and in itself compared to what is in stretch
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1850 [14:09:38] <zodd> I would not bother to get ldap+samba working with stretch (although it can be done)
1851 [14:09:43] <zodd> it took me days
1852 [14:10:08] <zodd> should be much easier now and more compatible with win10 etc.
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1854 [14:10:49] <zodd> go for buster and even that is probably very outdated
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1856 [14:11:22] <ratrace> last year's software. how outdate can it be!
1857 [14:11:24] <ratrace> !sns
1858 [14:11:24] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
1859 [14:12:04] <zodd> ratrace, I fully agree. But Debbian is always very behind. Which is usually fine be me
1860 [14:12:37] <zodd> yet in some cases it is troublesome. Samba3+ldap versus samba4+ldap makes a huge difference
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1863 [14:13:50] <ratrace> surely samba4+ldap is not THAT new....
1864 [14:14:13] <ratrace> we're talking 8 years ov smb4 history here....
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1873 [14:19:53] <zodd> could be me. I configured it 10 years ago and I am still traumatized
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1890 [14:31:35] <afidegnum> hello, i m having an issue over my phpLDAPadmin with this error This base cannot be created with PLA.
1891 [14:32:00] <afidegnum> here is my config file, replaced-url
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1904 [14:39:09] <usney> how do I tell apt to not tell me of a group of certain packages I don't need anymore after a package remove? I am still using them because I have that same program installed in a python virtual environment.
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1907 [14:41:09] <annadane> usney, apt-mark manual <package>
1908 [14:41:09] <ratrace> usney: you can convert between "auto" and "manual" packages with apt-mark
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1910 [14:42:14] <annadane> note that "the following packages can be removed" is not mandatory though in future possibly will get removed due to a dist-upgrade, which is sometimes used in point releases and obviously stable-to-next-stable transitions
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1966 [15:15:56] <gfp76> pass gfp76 setpass cgjhngkbzqrk Tin2Box2
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1968 [15:16:55] <joepublic> :: command: `pass` not found :: command `setpass` not found :: try just chatting if problem persists
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1977 [15:20:08] <joepublic> pass joepublic uw@@m9[E TSt-4$JW]Q setpass kbQ#]n5a=-Qg maaqph_QEnA3K$EK
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2118 [16:48:37] <karlpinc> afidegnum: Often such ldap problems are caused by one of 2 things: The superior entry does not exist. You have incompatiblities in the structural object class hierarchy of the objectclasses in the entry.
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2155 [17:06:33] <Surfer2011> hello, is anyone of you using Jitsi Meet? or has experience setting up a jitsi-server?
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2158 [17:06:39] <farkgis-> salut
2159 [17:07:08] <farkgis-> je cherche de l'aide en français s'il vous plais
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2161 [17:07:11] <jelly> !fr
2162 [17:07:11] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. - debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
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2168 [17:08:36] <afidegnum> karlpinc: well, i m stacked with the following errors, i can't restart samba nd getting the localsid also proven unsuccessful, i have been trying for the past 4 hours to debug this but no luck. can you please give a hand? replaced-url
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2170 [17:09:33] <usney> How can I set requirements for a package that didn't include them that need them? It needs to be required otherwise it won't work due to my distro's sandbox feature.
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2192 [17:28:20] <afidegnum> any insight ?
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2207 [17:36:15] <Scorpion2185> hi
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2212 [17:40:49] <Scorpion2185> where are saved the tor files?
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2214 [17:41:21] <Scorpion2185> I installed it with apt install tor-browser-launcher
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2217 [17:42:28] <trek00> Scorpion2185: you can see the list of the installed files with dpkg -L tor-browser-launcher
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2220 [17:43:09] <Scorpion2185> That package install the tor browser
2221 [17:43:18] <Scorpion2185> *installs
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2223 [17:44:03] <trek00> Scorpion2185: yes, what do you need exactly?
2224 [17:44:25] <Scorpion2185> I wuold like to see the tor script I used to comment 3 lins
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2226 [17:46:15] <Scorpion2185> I suppose that is the one launched by the tor browser, GUI
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2228 [17:46:43] <trek00> Scorpion2185: with dpkg -L packagename you can see all the files installed by that package
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2232 [17:47:13] <trek00> Scorpion2185: probabily the name of the script is written inside a .desktop file
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2234 [17:48:27] <Scorpion2185> I will check in this pc I upgraded from stertch. So it is different. THanks
2235 [17:48:39] <Scorpion2185> The other has debian 10 fresh installation
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2257 [18:09:38] <cybercrypto> Hi there, quick one: perhaps you may point me to the correct file. Where I could change ntp CLI parameterss used by ntp.service in buster?
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2264 [18:12:08] <ratrace> cybercrypto: /etc/default/ntp maybe? is the service unit sourcing that env file?
2265 [18:12:36] <ratrace> the default unit is at /lib/systemd/system/ntp.service
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2268 [18:13:24] <cybercrypto> ratrace: correct, /usr/lib has the .service. Let me check etc/default to compare parameters
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2273 [18:16:49] <jelly> cybercrypto, you want to change the command line for ntp daemon to something other than default?
2274 [18:16:50] <cybercrypto> ratrace: exactly! variable NTPD_OPTS is defined there. I will play with few parameters now... Many thanks, cya!
2275 [18:17:13] <cybercrypto> jelly: Yes, done. thanks and cya!
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2281 [18:22:24] <karlpinc> afidegnum: You might try #samba if it's samba related.
2282 [18:22:49] <jelly> I wonder how that works.
2283 [18:22:58] <jelly> ah. # Debian uses a shell wrapper to process /etc/default/ntp
2284 [18:23:13] <afidegnum> karlpinc: the channel is dormant, since yesterday, no one answered any question
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2287 [18:23:41] <jelly> good grief. Each package has different or no workarounds for /etc/default/foo compat
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2291 [18:26:33] <karlpinc> afidegnum: I'm no good with samba, but you could be better at describing your problem. It looks like you're having problems connecting to a samba server. All I know about that is the time has to be synced(ish) on the 2 systems or kerberos fails.
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2294 [18:28:34] <afidegnum> i haven't set kerberos to it
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2296 [18:29:54] <afidegnum> i'm following this guide replaced-url
2297 [18:29:58] <afidegnum> and blocked on the way
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2302 [18:31:44] <karlpinc> afidegnum: Tell people what step of the guide you are on.
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2305 [18:32:43] <afidegnum> i've reached at restart ssh and samba almost at the last end of the page
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2314 [18:36:23] <afidegnum> add the following line to the file:
2315 [18:36:24] <afidegnum> ldap password sync=yes
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2323 [18:45:34] <deadrom> hi
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2325 [18:47:18] <sney> hi
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2327 [18:48:09] <deadrom> I'd liek a deb 10 machine to reach the interwebs but one specific browser to not be able to talk to anything but local services. I thought of a proxy I point it at that leads nowhere but that seems overblown and clumsy, plus I'd have to fwd localhost calls to not-proxy. well, which I think can be arranged in exceptions. but anyway, any quicker, elegant solution?
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2331 [18:49:29] <grateful> when i install programs with snap they don't appear in my applications menu, i found out they aren't in $PATH so added /snap/bin but what could be causing snap to not populate programs into the panel/menu
2332 [18:49:35] <somiaj> deadrom: what is the use case here, why do you want to limit one specific browser? What stops the user from using a diferent browser?
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2334 [18:50:33] <somiaj> grateful: snap packages probably aren't putting a copy of the .desktop file (used for menu creation) in an appropriate place. In /snap do you have a single location that contains the .desktop files being installed (if any)?
2335 [18:51:15] <grateful> don't have .desktop in the /snap dir
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2337 [18:51:38] <greycat> maybe try something like: find /snap -name '*.desktop'
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2339 [18:52:15] <grateful> hmmm found results
2340 [18:52:45] <grateful> should i be looking for a specific one?
2341 [18:52:46] <somiaj> Hmm, this site seems to suggest they are coppied to /var/lib/snapd/desktop/applications -- do you have a list of .desktop files there?
2342 [18:52:56] <somiaj> grateful: no, we are just trying to figure out where the .desktop files are located
2343 [18:52:57] <deadrom> somiaj: only that browser installed stops the user. the idea is to avoid the browser to be able to give away data to the outside. if you can't surf to replaced-url
2344 [18:53:40] <somiaj> deadrom: I don't know how to limit/route a particular application
2345 [18:53:41] <grateful> yeah they are listed there somiaj
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2347 [18:54:28] <jelly> deadrom, why do you need to have that browser installed, and can it be installed in a separate VM instead?
2348 [18:54:37] <grateful> i'm using xfce4 btw.
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2352 [18:57:03] <deadrom> jelly, to access local browser based services. vm... possible but more trouble than the "dead proxy" approach. but for the sake of the idea, then what?
2353 [18:57:54] <jelly> deadrom, then you do whatever you want with the traffic coming in and our of that VM.
2354 [18:57:58] <somiaj> grateful: easy solution (but you have to do this each time you install stuff) is to copy every .desktop file in that directory to ~/.local/share/applications (assuming you are the only user)
2355 [18:58:09] <somiaj> grateful: I am looking up how to configure XDG to know to look in that directory for .desktop files
2356 [18:58:23] <grateful> could i set up a symbolic link?
2357 [18:58:47] <somiaj> grateful: no, because you will have other things in that dir too
2358 [19:00:16] <somiaj> grateful: here, try this: export XDG_DATA_DIRS="$XDG_DATA_DIRS:/var/lib/snapd/destkop/applications"
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2366 [19:02:09] <grateful> didn't work
2367 [19:02:12] <grateful> the copying did tho
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2369 [19:02:35] <grateful> ty
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2371 [19:02:46] <somiaj> Hmm, might be that what I suggested didn't work because it isn't updating the shell your de is running in
2372 [19:03:02] <grateful> don't use snap often but now i know the work around
2373 [19:03:04] <somiaj> If you set that XDG_DATA_DIRS= in your .profile when you login, it should work.
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2375 [19:03:14] <grateful> k
2376 [19:03:37] <somiaj> But the issue is XDG needs to know where to find the .desktop files, and it just isn't setup to look in snap by default.
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2378 [19:03:50] <greycat> a DE login will not typically read .profile
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2383 [19:04:38] <somiaj> Yea, might need to update the session then, I still use startx so forget about such issues.
2384 [19:04:52] <diogenes_> Microsoft: WSL2's Linux kernel will be delivered to Windows 10 users via Windows Update. I guess linux won.
2385 [19:05:01] <greycat> for non-startx users, the Debian recommendation is ~/.xsessionrc
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2387 [19:05:32] <CoroCoro> hi
2388 [19:05:46] <karlpinc> !ask
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2390 [19:05:47] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2396 [19:08:32] <CoroCoro> is there a linux distro that activates opengl 4.4 on amd hd 6520g graphics?
2397 [19:09:12] <grateful> thanks for the help
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2399 [19:10:34] <CoroCoro> i made a kuestion
2400 [19:10:50] <greycat> "is there a distro that..." really belongs in ##linux
2401 [19:11:02] <diogenes_> CoroCoro, try clear linux.
2402 [19:11:29] <CoroCoro> ok sorry about the pleonasm
2403 [19:11:36] <sney> a gpu from 2011 is unlikely to have cutting edge features enabled anywhere
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2405 [19:11:57] <towo`> diogenes_, and what should that intel distro help here for amd graphics?
2406 [19:12:04] <sney> and every modern linux distro has the same amd drivers, so all distros have the same support
2407 [19:12:38] <sney> even if a spec sheet somewhere says it supports up to opengl 4.4, that doesn't mean the driver can do it, and it's unlikely in hardware that old
2408 [19:13:02] <diogenes_> towo`, i thought it's about intel GPU, my bad.
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2411 [19:15:19] <CoroCoro> hey
2412 [19:15:31] <CoroCoro> you all have tested windows?
2413 [19:15:41] <CoroCoro> i had windows in this laptop
2414 [19:15:53] <CoroCoro> and it enabled that opengl
2415 [19:15:57] <CoroCoro> 4.4
2416 [19:16:01] <CoroCoro> 100%
2417 [19:16:03] <sney> windows drivers and linux drivers are completely different
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2420 [19:16:40] <diogenes_> !enter
2421 [19:16:41] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
2422 [19:16:45] <CoroCoro> i was just trying to install a driver
2423 [19:16:54] <CoroCoro> or maybe a distro*
2424 [19:17:08] <sney> all linux distros use the linux kernel. the linux kernel contains the drivers.
2425 [19:17:09] <CoroCoro> could bring the drivers embeded inlcuded?
2426 [19:17:11] <greycat> if you're searching for the right distribution for your needs, go to ##linux
2427 [19:17:25] <greycat> the only distro we know here is Debian
2428 [19:17:30] <CoroCoro> included*
2429 [19:17:37] <CoroCoro> ok
2430 [19:17:42] <CoroCoro> i go to linux
2431 [19:18:04] <CoroCoro> i cant enter
2432 [19:18:13] <sney> /join ##linux
2433 [19:18:14] <annadane> /msg nickserv register
2434 [19:18:20] <annadane> or yeah that, if it allows you
2435 [19:18:24] <annadane> note the double hash
2436 [19:18:45] <towo`> with mesa >=18.x opengl 4.4 should be available for the hd6000 mobile series
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2439 [19:19:05] <CoroCoro> mesa?
2440 [19:19:10] <CoroCoro> is that on ubuntu?
2441 [19:19:18] <jelly> that is on every linux.
2442 [19:19:22] <towo`> no, it's everywhere in linux
2443 [19:19:35] <towo`> it's the standard framework
2444 [19:19:41] <CoroCoro> i dunno two mush
2445 [19:19:43] <jelly> ,v libgl1-mesa-dri
2446 [19:19:45] <judd> Package: libgl1-mesa-dri on amd64 -- jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.3.2-1+deb8u2; stretch: 13.0.6-1+b2; stretch-backports: 18.2.8-2~bpo9+1; buster: 18.3.6-2+deb10u1; bullseye: 19.3.3-1; experimental: 20.0.0-1; sid: 20.0.2-1
2447 [19:19:58] <jelly> debian 10 has 18.3
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2449 [19:20:20] <towo`> and there is 4.4 and some 4.5 features
2450 [19:20:25] <CoroCoro> ubuntu is derived from debian?
2451 [19:20:39] <jelly> some parts of it, yes
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2453 [19:21:15] <jelly> they supposedly had more than 30% source packages in default install not coming from debian
2454 [19:21:45] <karlpinc> CoroCoro: A big difference between debian and ubuntu is that ubuntu installs non-free software by default. Debian you have to ask for it. (It can help to use non-free firmware when installing.)
2455 [19:21:48] <karlpinc> !firmware images
2456 [19:21:48] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
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2458 [19:22:33] <afidegnum> how do i set tls for samba on debian-strech ?
2459 [19:23:03] <CoroCoro> i am in diapers
2460 [19:23:21] <jelly> figuratively?
2461 [19:23:23] <CoroCoro> I am learning now some linux
2462 [19:23:35] <CoroCoro> yes
2463 [19:23:41] <CoroCoro> figuratively
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2500 [19:55:46] <Leonid> hallo
2501 [19:55:50] <Leonid> some one here ?
2502 [19:55:56] <annadane> yes Leonid, several
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2504 [19:56:23] <vvor> ~1584
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2506 [19:56:48] <Leonid> annadane can you help
2507 [19:56:58] <annadane> maybe, or other people; go ahead and ask your question
2508 [19:57:14] <Leonid> where to download best for debian to install ? i want install it from usb ?
2509 [19:57:27] <vvor> debian.org
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2513 [19:57:32] <greycat> !firmware image
2514 [19:57:32] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
2515 [19:57:32] <annadane> do you have internet access on the machine you want to install it to?
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2519 [19:58:31] <karlpinc> Leonid: You want the plain netinstall image (not the edu one). (You want the unoffical one with non-free firmware included.)
2520 [19:58:59] <karlpinc> !install guide
2521 [19:58:59] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at replaced-url
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2523 [19:59:41] <vvor> karlpinc: Which one do I want??? :)
2524 [19:59:48] <vvor> ...
2525 [19:59:59] <annadane> firmware-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso
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2528 [20:01:34] * karlpinc forgets the "right" tool to use to write the netinstall iso to usb under MS Windows. I do recall there are many wrong ways to do it.
2529 [20:01:52] <greycat> if I had to write one from Windows, I would definitely have to read the install guide
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2531 [20:02:10] <annadane> win32diskimager
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2534 [20:02:49] <annadane> or rufus in dd mode, AFAIK
2535 [20:02:50] <annadane> !rufus
2536 [20:02:50] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. Debian CD/DVD images MUST be written in "DD Mode," otherwise it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
2537 [20:02:59] <annadane> but basically, win32diskimager
2538 [20:03:01] <sney> yep, and never unetbootin
2539 [20:03:02] <annadane> so you get into good habit
2540 [20:03:05] <annadane> s
2541 [20:03:41] <karlpinc> greycat: I don't even recall whether the install guide contains any recommendations for writing iso images onto usb sticks from MS Windows.
2542 [20:03:55] <vvor> Windows 10?
2543 [20:04:39] <annadane> sure, windows 10, if you have windows 10 you can use win32diskimager to write it to usb
2544 [20:05:05] <Leonid> can some one give link for download debian ?
2545 [20:05:09] <Leonid> server ?
2546 [20:05:18] <sney> !firmware image
2547 [20:05:18] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
2548 [20:05:22] <sney> there is your link ^
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2550 [20:05:28] <greycat> I don't think he's listening to us at all.
2551 [20:05:35] <annadane> different people
2552 [20:05:46] <karlpinc> Still he should read.
2553 [20:05:58] <annadane> unless this person was here earlier and i just can't scroll yp
2554 [20:05:58] <annadane> up
2555 [20:06:00] <karlpinc> Leonid: As said above, the "firmware-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso" file.
2556 [20:06:15] <Leonid> 377M
2557 [20:06:17] <annadane> oh. was. i just can't read
2558 [20:06:18] <sney> I think a lot of people skim over dpkg's messages
2559 [20:06:22] <Leonid> hm dvd is 4 gb ?
2560 [20:06:35] <karlpinc> Leonid: But you won't install everything on the dvd.
2561 [20:06:37] <annadane> 377M for the net install, 4 gb for the dvd which includes more stuff
2562 [20:06:49] <karlpinc> Leonid: The netinstall will download everything you ask for when you install.
2563 [20:06:55] <sney> net install is better and more efficient use of bandwidth
2564 [20:06:59] <annadane> i'll just shut up and let you guys handle this :P
2565 [20:07:03] <karlpinc> Leonid: That way you don't download what you don't need.
2566 [20:07:04] <Leonid> i want to install from flash
2567 [20:07:17] <vvor> isoburn.exe
2568 [20:07:26] <sney> the iso is a hybrid image, so it can be used on a cd/dvd OR usb
2569 [20:07:30] <greycat> if only there were dozens of lines of discussion AIMED AT YOU that you could read
2570 [20:09:31] <Leonid> firmware will through install take all from internet ?
2571 [20:10:02] <karlpinc> Leonid: There is no "server" iso image. You install what you want. For a server you'd install just the server stuff. (Hopefully not install X or a desktop or any sort of gui stuff.)
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2573 [20:10:13] <karlpinc> Leonid: Yes.
2574 [20:10:28] <sney> Leonid: just run the installer and the menu will give you options. it makes a lot more sense if you try it
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2590 [20:21:41] <rowbee> is there a way to "downgrade" a sid installation, or am i stuck with it until i bite the bullet and re-install from the netinstall iso?
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2592 [20:22:08] <greycat> there is no provided or supported way to downgrade a release
2593 [20:22:19] <rowbee> i see
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2598 [20:24:25] <sney> rowbee: however, you can change a sid installation to bullseye, and it will gradually turn into a normal bullseye system over a week or two
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2600 [20:24:41] <greycat> maybe.
2601 [20:25:04] <rowbee> yeah i was thinking of doing a unstable -> testing -> stable careful catwalk
2602 [20:25:16] <sney> for the most part. there will sometimes be sid stuff that never migrates, but most fundamental packages will, and if there's any gunk it can be removed
2603 [20:25:22] <sney> you can't go from testing to stable though.
2604 [20:25:31] <rowbee> too many things breaking?
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2607 [20:25:54] <sney> the sid->testing migration works because all packages migrate from sid to testing as part of the normal process.
2608 [20:26:00] <sney> nothing migrates to stable
2609 [20:27:16] <rowbee> hm... so if i change my sources.list entries from unstable to bullseye, eventually as the package freeze happens it will just become stable
2610 [20:27:42] <sney> yeah, when bullseye is released as stable
2611 [20:28:03] <sney> probably in about 18? months
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2613 [20:29:24] <rowbee> i'll try that in a bit
2614 [20:29:41] <rowbee> i have /home on a separate partition anyway, the most i'll lose is some time spent re-installing debian
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2616 [20:30:02] <rowbee> i will however backup my /etc/
2617 [20:30:44] <annadane> !what to backup
2618 [20:30:44] <dpkg> Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/backups /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/replaced-url
2619 [20:30:56] <annadane> use at your own discretion
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2621 [20:31:19] <rowbee> ty
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2623 [20:31:56] <rowbee> so that leaves me with backing up /etc /srv /var
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2626 [20:32:48] <annadane> i think my backups are basically /home (or rather select items + dot files), the /etc files i know i've manually changed, and my root + user crontabs
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2628 [20:33:19] <annadane> plus whatever's in /usr/local and /usr/local/bin
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2633 [20:34:23] <rowbee> i _should_ be backing up my home but i have no medium to back it up to atm :( but it's on a separate partition so unless i catastrophically fsck up (which has a probability above 0) i don't think it poses an issue
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2635 [20:34:37] <greycat> disks do fail
2636 [20:34:57] <rowbee> true
2637 [20:34:57] <annadane> i need more storage in general, my external hdd is just about full
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2639 [20:35:11] <rowbee> i'm on a laptop away from my hometown due to covid
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2767 [20:51:42] <vvor> rowbee: second partition on the same HDD is better then nothing...
2768 [20:52:29] <rowbee> it's a logical volume
2769 [20:52:54] <vvor> Especially if it's not mounted 24/7
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2784 [20:57:22] <vvor> You probably can cloud backup for free the most impotent: txt, doc, xls, mail... (encrypt if applicable) till you get back home.
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2790 [21:00:57] <nt80> based on debian 10 xfce fresh installation, what software may cause those packets constantly broadcasted replaced-url
2791 [21:01:27] <nt80> connected to wifi without any software running
2792 [21:01:29] <rowbee> what is the shim-unsigned package and why does it want to remove shim-signed? should i proceed, or should i keep shim-signed?
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2796 [21:02:49] <greycat> ,info shim-unsigned
2797 [21:02:51] <judd> Package shim-unsigned (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: boot loader to chain-load signed boot loaders under Secure Boot. Version: 15+1533136590.3beb971-7; Size: 565.8k; Installed: 3719k
2798 [21:03:29] <sney> nt80: it is probably some avahi thing
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2815 [21:13:50] <karlpinc> nt80: mdns also does some broadcasting, iirc. I think it's de-configured in /etc/nsswitch.conf, but could be wrong.
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2844 [21:27:42] <sponix> my xfwm4 is starting to consume more cpu time than it should ever few days (actually making desktop switches and app switches lag). I kill the process for it to restart, and then it goes back to operating normal for a while.
2845 [21:28:16] <sponix> should I be looking at like .xsession-errors or something to see if it is having issues that are documented ?
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2847 [21:28:39] <trek00> sponix: i remember that xfdesktop had a memory leak in the past, may be you hit another bug
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2852 [21:30:43] <trek00> sponix: may be it's related to this replaced-url
2853 [21:30:51] <sponix> trek00: well odd part is, I snag things from backports and stuff -- but the xfwm4 is actually a fully regular "debian stable" version
2854 [21:31:02] <trek00> sponix: try to disable compositing
2855 [21:31:33] <sponix> trek00: let me check, think that might already be done. something with that if not correct makes my OBS not function
2856 [21:32:14] <karlpinc> Could check the bug tracking system....
2857 [21:32:58] <sponix> trek00: I forgot what spot that setting is. you remember by chance ?
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2864 [21:34:22] <sponix> trek00: no problem.. I'll Google that, and read the things provided to me thus far. See if anything comes of it
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2867 [21:35:04] <sponix> trek00: if I don't find any fixes jumping out at me -- I'll just make a cron job to kill xfwm4 every 24 hours or so :)
2868 [21:35:11] <sponix> easy enough work-a-round
2869 [21:35:21] <trek00> sponix: may be the gtk theme too, try with adwaita
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2877 [21:37:24] <trek00> sponix: what graphic drivers do you have?
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2886 [21:40:00] <sponix> trek00: I saw that theme recommendation -- that is simple, so I'm trying ti first -- Went from Azul-Dark or something to Adwaita-Dark
2887 [21:40:26] <sponix> trek00: Graphics is Nvidia 440 Binary with standard X (not wayland)
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2890 [21:41:38] <trek00> sponix: well you can try also xfwm4 --vblank=off --replace
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3003 [22:51:14] <ikus060> Does debian provide something similar to launchpad PPA to "auto-build" project and create a repository ?
3004 [22:51:46] <greycat> that's the most terrifying thing I've heard in a while
3005 [22:51:59] <greycat> no wonder PPAs are such incredible shit
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3007 [22:52:25] <Unit193> greycat: Really depends on who sets one up, really.
3008 [22:53:11] <ikus060> is doesn't answer my question
3009 [22:53:23] <greycat> !nmg
3010 [22:53:24] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
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3012 [22:53:31] <greycat> That's what Debian gives you. Documentation.
3013 [22:53:37] <Unit193> ikus060: If you're talking about automatically rolling from git or something, no. If you mean somewhere you can push your packages and they'll build, also no but you can use the opensuse build service.
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3015 [22:54:09] <Unit193> See also: osc-plugins-dput
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3022 [22:58:46] <ikus060> Unit193: allow building for debian !?
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3024 [22:59:08] <Unit193> ikus060: It's odd, but yes. I have a testing repo there.
3025 [22:59:19] <Unit193> Otherwise I just use pbuilder+mini-dinstall for repos.
3026 [22:59:27] <mlugg> Hi, I'm trying to configure some bonds on Debian and I'm a bit confused. What's the difference between `slaves`, `bond-slaves`, and `bond-master`? My guess so far is that `slaves` automagically sets `bond-master` for all the given interfaces, but i may be entirely wrong. Also, why do things set `bond-master` to stuff and then on the actual bond set
3027 [22:59:28] <mlugg> `bond-slaves none`?
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3030 [23:00:47] <ikus060> Unit193: do youi have an open source project where I can get an examples ? finding good documentation to put all the peace together seams impossible. I wich to have an examples to start with
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3034 [23:01:23] <ikus060> Unit193: for both: build.opensuse.org and pbuilder+mini-dinstall
3035 [23:02:09] <Unit193> ikus060: replaced-url
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3037 [23:03:43] <ikus060> Unit193: I know about pbuilder but I'm looking of a CICD pipeline either in travis or gitlab CICD
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3052 [23:12:32] <ZAJDAN> hi..is difference between: iptables -A INPUT -m conntrack --ctstate INVALID -j DROP and iptables -A INPUT -m state --state INVALID -j DROP ...?
3053 [23:12:55] <trek00> it should be the same
3054 [23:13:23] <ZAJDAN> trek00..thank you
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3057 [23:14:32] <trek00> ZAJDAN: if i remember correctly conntrack replaced state module
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3059 [23:16:07] <ZAJDAN> trek00...yes you have true> replaced-url
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3109 [23:50:05] <ZAJDAN> what is the option '-e'? ....#!/bin/sh -e
3110 [23:50:05] <ZAJDAN>
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3113 [23:53:46] <sney> ZAJDAN: if you 'man sh' and hit page down once, you will see the list of options
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3116 [23:57:32] <vvor> sney: And... Maybe on a BSD system the -e option would be understandable :(
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