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0 [00:00:17] <POLK> hi, how to set up date/time sync on buster ?
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3 [00:01:42] <Unit193> I think you can use timesyncd, or install ntp/chrony.
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5 [00:02:04] <Markel> Should I be using the Graphical Installer from the boot menu, or the Install Debian shortcut on the Desktop?
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9 [00:03:02] <Unit193> IIRC, the one on the desktop isn't really the best and it's better to use the boot menu option, but I could be misremembering.
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13 [00:04:54] <Unit193> #844611
14 [00:04:56] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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17 [00:05:27] <POLK> Unit193, I've got ntp service running, but it doesn't sync time by itself. So, I issue "ntpq -p", but sometimes it doesn't update time...
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19 [00:06:05] <POLK> Ideally, I'd like to put together a script that would sync it as executed
20 [00:06:22] <lwp> that is not the currrent desktop installer launcher.
21 [00:06:27] <lwp> !calamares
22 [00:06:27] <dpkg> Starting in Debian 10 Buster, the Calamares installer is included in the debian-live boot images. The (somewhat unreliable?) normal installer is also included, as one of the choices in the first menu after boot. Once in the live system look for an Install Debian icon, or type: sudo calamares See replaced-url
23 [00:06:57] <Markel> So Calamares is the recommended way. That's good to know
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27 [00:07:12] <POLK> !chrony
28 [00:07:12] <dpkg> it has been said that chrony is a ntp program that is split into 2 parts: a daemon (chronyd) and a client that interfaces into the server (chronyc). For more information visit: replaced-url
29 [00:07:39] <Unit193> lwp: Was wondering if those images used calamares, good to know.
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31 [00:07:56] <lwp> Markel, I have seen good reports from people who tried it, yes
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105 [00:56:14] <nvz> Markel: I haven't tried it but last I tried the "somewhat unreliable" method it talks about, the install resulted in an install twice the normal size you'd get from regular install media. It installed every possible language pack, translation, input aide, etc.. and thus I have recommended against using live for install purposes
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107 [00:56:47] <nvz> it just installed all the crap the live uses to be as flexible as possible.. and thats not what most people want to install
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120 [01:02:46] <k-man> after upgrading to buster, postfix logs seem to be not updating. ie, the log files are 0 in size
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145 [01:18:01] <abrotman> k-man: are they writing into regular logs in /var/log/ ?
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212 [02:00:34] <k-man> not sure, will check
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219 [02:02:07] <batentetoldo> tell DAVE'S steam prouwd to bypass IOT(buffer(sandboxed)) <-> kvm_passthrought
220 [02:02:36] <batentetoldo> ame o linux apoie o weedos
221 [02:03:35] <nvz> !br
222 [02:03:36] <dpkg> Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
223 [02:03:51] <k-man> abrotman: ah, found them, they seem to be logging to files like: mail.info-20200324
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225 [02:03:59] <k-man> maybe i configured that one day but forgot
226 [02:04:06] <batentetoldo> love linux join weedos
227 [02:04:21] <nvz> abrotman: you're up slugger :P
228 [02:04:43] * nvz makes a mental note that since the bots are now on both networks ALL factoids referencing network stuff like channels should be SPECIFIC
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230 [02:05:45] <nvz> though seems that one doesn't matter, its on both networks
231 [02:05:47] <batentetoldo> nvz love linux join weedos
232 [02:06:15] <nvz> yeah I heard you, the muffin man will be with you shortly :P
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279 [02:33:13] <ZaZaGX> hey, i used to use debian 10 gnome. i just switched to kde, not sure how to config my printer
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285 [02:36:32] <AngelKde> ZaZaGX, becose you swich to kde ?
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289 [02:37:01] <ZaZaGX> yes
290 [02:37:09] <ZaZaGX> i guess its different
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295 [02:38:49] <ZaZaGX> brb reboot
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324 [02:50:14] <ZaZaGX> i still can't print
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326 [02:51:46] <ZaZaGX> looks like i can't connect to it
327 [02:51:47] <karlpinc> ZaZaGX: Printing has nothing to do with your desktop. You need to configure cups.
328 [02:52:03] <karlpinc> ZaZaGX: replaced-url
329 [02:52:07] <ZaZaGX> i guess its different from gnome
330 [02:52:30] <ZaZaGX> yeah i already did that
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334 [02:54:42] <karlpinc> ZaZaGX: And you've tried a test print job from that interface?
335 [02:55:48] <ZaZaGX> yes
336 [02:55:54] <karlpinc> And?
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338 [02:56:25] <ZaZaGX> looks like i can't start or find the printer
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341 [02:57:18] <karlpinc> ZaZaGX: Start at the bottom of the stack: Is it on the network? Does your dhcp server see it (or can you ping it if you've statically assigned an address)?
342 [02:57:20] <ZaZaGX> looks like its Unable to locate printer
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344 [02:57:39] <karlpinc> ZaZaGX: How is it getting an IP?
345 [02:57:59] <karlpinc> ZaZaGX: Once you know its IP can you ping (ping -n) it?
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347 [02:58:16] <karlpinc> Once it pings, how does your print system know the IP? What do the logs say?
348 [02:58:34] <karlpinc> (Starting by looking at the logs is always good.)
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350 [02:58:49] <karlpinc> The cups logs might be a good start.
351 [02:59:56] <ZaZaGX> looks like it won't connect
352 [02:59:58] * karlpinc finds all that auto-configure print stuff not worth the bother of putting a static IP in the printer's config and using that -- at least when all the auto-magic fails.
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354 [03:00:29] <karlpinc> ZaZaGX: "Won't connect" is not enough for anybody to help you. Tell us the exact message.
355 [03:00:31] <karlpinc> !errors
356 [03:00:31] <dpkg> If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>.
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365 [03:05:34] <ZaZaGX> i am not sure how to ping it and ip the ip address
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375 [03:15:59] <HexicPyth> ZaZaGX: To ping a device, you can run the 'ping' command followed by an IP address like 'ping 8.8.8.8' and if you get something like '64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=25.9 ms' then you know you can connect to it.
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379 [03:17:13] <ZaZaGX> oh ok
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384 [03:21:33] <ZaZaGX> "Unable to locate printer."
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386 [03:22:18] <HexicPyth> ZaZaGX: You should be able to use the buttons on your printer to print a status page
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388 [03:22:34] <HexicPyth> ZaZaGx: It should tell you weather or not it is connected to the internet, and if it is maybe it might tell you the IP
389 [03:23:11] <HexicPyth> Just tried it with mine, it doesn't tell me the IP but it tells me the network it's connected to and BSSID of the AP
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400 [03:33:40] <ZaZaGX> E [25/Mar/2020:19:31:15 -0700] [Client 534] Empty Basic password.
401 [03:33:40] <ZaZaGX> E [25/Mar/2020:19:31:40 -0700] [CGI] Unable to resolve \"dnssd://HP%20ENVY%205000%20series%20%5B75E75F%5D._ipp._tcp.local/?uuid=c6e0899d-6ae8-5bc9-7917-60d1ace66ac6|HP ENVY 5000 series\".
402 [03:33:44] <ZaZaGX> E [25/Mar/2020:19:31:40 -0700] [CGI] Unable to resolve \"dnssd://HP%20ENVY%205000%20series%20%5B75E75F%5D._ipp._tcp.local/?uuid=c6e0899d-6ae8-5bc9-7917-60d1ace66ac6|HP ENVY 5000 series\".
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408 [03:42:52] <gry> how to access a webcam by ip if it is plugged in a debian?
409 [03:42:59] <gry> what package is needed to install?
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411 [03:43:29] <ZaZaGX> E [25/Mar/2020:19:31:15 -0700] [Client 534] Empty Basic password.
412 [03:43:30] <ZaZaGX> E [25/Mar/2020:19:31:40 -0700] [CGI] Unable to resolve \"dnssd://HP%20ENVY%205000%20series%20%5B75E75F%5D._ipp._tcp.local/?uuid=c6e0899d-6ae8-5bc9-7917-60d1ace66ac6|HP ENVY 5000 series\".
413 [03:43:33] <ZaZaGX> E [25/Mar/2020:19:31:40 -0700] [CGI] Unable to resolve \"dnssd://HP%20ENVY%205000%20series%20%5B75E75F%5D._ipp._tcp.local/?uuid=c6e0899d-6ae8-5bc9-7917-60d1ace66ac6|HP ENVY 5000 series\".
414 [03:43:37] <ZaZaGX> ops
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419 [03:47:46] <HexicPyth> ZaZaGX have you tried printing a satus page?
420 [03:47:57] <ZaZaGX> yes, it won't let me
421 [03:48:10] <HexicPyth> What do you mean?
422 [03:48:22] <ZaZaGX> it says unable to locate
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424 [03:48:28] <HexicPyth> Your not using your computer to print it, it should be on the printer itself
425 [03:48:33] <HexicPyth> like by pressing buttons
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427 [03:48:39] <ZaZaGX> oh ok
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429 [03:49:08] <HexicPyth> So this error^ seems to tell us that your computer can't locate the printer, so maybe it is a network problem or you don't have the right IP setup
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431 [03:50:06] <HexicPyth> On my dell printer, I pressed the "right arrow" button twice then pressed the "OK" button to print a "network status page"
432 [03:50:13] <HexicPyth> Yours probably has something similar
433 [03:51:15] <HexicPyth> ZaZaGX: replaced-url
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448 [03:57:41] <ZaZaGX> okay i did it
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453 [04:00:56] <ZaZaGX> hmmm i can't connect to the router
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472 [04:21:06] <ZaZaGX> i got it to print
473 [04:21:15] <ZaZaGX> i think it was my VPN and killswitch
474 [04:21:46] <ZaZaGX> had to turn both off. and auto setup properly without them first
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480 [04:30:15] <ZaZaGX> thank you everyone
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487 [04:36:14] <felipe> Hello there! Could someone please help me with a problem I having with Steam on Debian 10? I installed according with the instructions on the page "replaced-url
488 [04:36:14] <felipe> recomended in the steam install page. Already thankful.
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539 [05:36:53] <POLK> !chrony
540 [05:36:54] <dpkg> i guess chrony is a ntp program that is split into 2 parts: a daemon (chronyd) and a client that interfaces into the server (chronyc). For more information visit: replaced-url
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567 [05:52:26] <TakWah> If a pipe mixes up the order of the output due to multiple threads writing to the pipe, how can I restore it again?
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569 [05:54:27] <TakWah> I am getting normal output from the program all neat an sorted, but as soon as I put it into a pipe, it gets horribly fractured, due to multiple threads asynchronously writing to the pipe.
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571 [06:00:17] <lwp> TakWah, how do you access the output when it is normal and correct; and how do you put it into a pipe, when it becomes fractured ?
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577 [06:04:41] <TakWah> lwp: I pastebin the cmd, brb
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587 [06:11:19] <gambl0re> hello?
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590 [06:12:14] <tomg> dpkg, firmware images
591 [06:12:14] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
592 [06:12:22] <tomg> gambl0re, maybe that'll help you
593 [06:12:36] <tomg> you probably don't need firmware at least to get a basic system
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595 [06:13:06] <gambl0re> i didnt know debian required you to install your own drivers
596 [06:13:20] <tomg> i guess itdoesn't :)
597 [06:13:30] <TakWah> lwp: replaced-url
598 [06:13:31] <tomg> for non-free firmware yeah
599 [06:14:17] <gambl0re> i dont understand the concept of non-free firmware. there are firmware's where you have to pay?
600 [06:14:45] <tomg> naw its non-free in free/open source software lingo. it's physically free
601 [06:15:06] <tomg> i don't even know if you need it though
602 [06:15:19] <themill> There is also firmware that requires payment and that isn't even in Debian non-free
603 [06:17:00] <gambl0re> i see
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610 [06:21:07] <TakWah> lwp: this is how the output looks replaced-url
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612 [06:21:29] <TakWah> The fractured one even swallows some of the data
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615 [06:22:44] <lwp> TakWah, did you try just using the filename directly in the command ? i.e. instead of "/dev/stdout > out.txt" just put "out.txt" ?
616 [06:23:00] <TakWah> yes
617 [06:23:07] <TakWah> but i try again
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620 [06:24:23] <gambl0re> i just realized there is a non-free debian iso image.
621 [06:24:34] <gambl0re> should i have gotten that instead to make my life easier?
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624 [06:25:37] <TakWah> lwp: well now that is black magic, I just added the -oG later, but the problem existed before, but right now I get a clean output when piping to out.txt without -oG. Thanks, but what's going on?
625 [06:25:44] <somiaj> gambl0re: if you need to install over wifi that uses non-free it makes life easier. If you just need non-free firmware for other hardware (not network) you can install it after the isntall just as easily.
626 [06:26:11] <somiaj> some gpu's like firmware too, so that can help, I'm just not use to isntalling xorg as a first thing.
627 [06:26:37] <gambl0re> how do i know which drivers i need? i know i need wifi drivers cause my wifi isnt working at the moment
628 [06:26:49] <gambl0re> and how do i download the drivers if i have no access to the internet
629 [06:26:50] <lwp> TakWah, I don't see why you want to do that piping complication. the program is designed to write to a file.
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635 [06:31:02] <TakWah> I wanted to reformat the output, so it becomes easier to read for the human eye, and put the data in a table which gets updated every n seconds, so track dhcp macs in the network.
636 [06:31:21] <TakWah> lwp: ---^
637 [06:31:36] <gambl0re> which debian iso do i get? replaced-url
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639 [06:31:43] <gambl0re> what's bt-bd?
640 [06:31:59] <lwp> TakWah: do you have some kind of options set on /dev/stdout ? -oG supposedly writes all the data for each host on one long line. I don't see that behavior in your sample outputs
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642 [06:32:55] <lwp> bt-bd is bit-torrent download of BluerayDisk
643 [06:33:06] <lwp> you probably want the netinst
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645 [06:33:41] <somiaj> gambl0re: dmesg | grep -i firmware (sometimes just look for the missing firmware, let us knowt he name, we can point you at the package)
646 [06:33:58] <TakWah> lwp: no the fractured output with -oG definitely has newlines in it
647 [06:34:06] <somiaj> gambl0re: if you have hardware that needs non-free firmware, the unofficial non-free image makes things easier.
648 [06:34:06] <gambl0re> somiaj: i think im just going to download the non-free iso image
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650 [06:34:09] <TakWah> lwp: where do I see what options are set on /dev/stdout
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653 [06:34:34] <gambl0re> i dont believe i have any proprietary hardware...
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655 [06:34:48] <TakWah> lwp: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Jan 1 1970 /dev/stdout -> /proc/self/fd/1
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657 [06:34:56] <gambl0re> somiaj: how do i download the wifi firmware if i dont have access to the internet
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661 [06:35:42] <lwp> the non-free installers have the wifi firmware in the image, thus on the CD or USB
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664 [06:36:38] <TakWah> lwp: I just pipe to file then without -oG and cat pipe the file for further manipulations of the output via awk? I just wanted to avoid disk access because SD card.
665 [06:37:08] <somiaj> gambl0re: in those cases you need to copy it over on a thumbdrive
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667 [06:37:16] <lwp> TakWah: I think you don't need any piping. just write to the file directly from the command
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669 [06:38:08] <somiaj> gambl0re: if you are deciding what to download, get non-free, easiest for most. Debian only calls it unoffical since it doesn't meet the DFSG, and debian just likes to be clear about when you are using free software (in debian main) and you are using software provided for debian with non-free licesnses.
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675 [06:38:51] <gambl0re> somiaj: yea im downloading the non-free iso. thanks for the help
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677 [06:39:19] <gambl0re> also does kde work well with debian or should i choose a different de?
678 [06:39:22] <TakWah> lwp: thanks
679 [06:39:58] <somiaj> debian provides kde as one of the de options you can choose during the install
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681 [06:40:24] <TakWah> lwp: I will try that
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704 [06:51:55] <gambl0re> somiaj: yea but is it stable?
705 [06:52:00] <gambl0re> compared to other de's
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726 [07:05:04] <gry> no, it freezes for 4 out of 4 people i tried it with during the last two years
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743 [07:19:03] <frojnd> Hi there.
744 [07:20:46] <frojnd> I just installed net installation iso.. I'm using it in virtualbox and then ssh to virtualbox. I've installed packages of interest... a) How can I now make an installation image with my packages and usernames and current settings? b) Would be easier to install a bash script and then just run it upon default installation and then those settings gets applied, apps gets installed?
745 [07:21:07] <gry> look at "debian blend", frojnd
746 [07:21:25] <gry> i don't know how to make it, personally, but i think it may be suitable for this task
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748 [07:21:57] <wowas> Hello!
749 [07:22:07] <frojnd> It's just that I have been assigned this task where I don't have hardware at the moment due to quaranteen...
750 [07:22:13] <wowas> how can i get the source package of ceph 15.2? replaced-url
751 [07:22:28] <frojnd> And I would like to make it easy as possible when I do get hardware and I just apply current settings...
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773 [07:34:10] <jelly> wowas, you will need to add deb-src lines for the repository containing that version
774 [07:34:13] <jelly> !deb-src
775 [07:34:14] <dpkg> You can have apt download the <source package> from which a <binary package> was compiled using a "deb-src" line in your <sources.list>. A line like "deb-src replaced-url
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779 [07:35:14] <jelly> wowas, find out where in /etc/apt/sources.list or any of /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* that repo has a deb line, and make a matching line just starting with deb-src instead of deb
780 [07:35:39] <jelly> apt-get update after that
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782 [07:36:10] <wowas> jelly, i do have the line: deb-src replaced-url
783 [07:36:25] <wowas> maybe it does not contain the source files?
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785 [07:36:55] <jelly> wowas, you'll have to ask your vendor then
786 [07:37:07] <wowas> ok
787 [07:37:14] <wowas> thanks
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813 [07:53:51] <jm_> frojnd: look at the bootcd package. or just look at dpkg's (the bot) clone factoids
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1143 [10:20:48] <thms> !stretch->buster
1144 [10:20:52] <thms> !buster
1145 [10:20:53] <dpkg> Buster is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06. "Buster" is Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story, see replaced-url
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1149 [10:25:27] <Janni> Hi there.
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1153 [10:26:24] <Janni> Is there a simple way to see the diff between some file (say in /etc/default) and the original version installed by the package? (and ideally also which package installed the file)
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1156 [10:26:53] <Janni> (In this particular case I know which package it is. I also know that I could inspect the .deb file manually.)
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1158 [10:28:05] <Janni> But it would be really practical to check with a single command how the configuration has been customised w.r.t. to the default state.
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1162 [10:30:07] <Janni> OK, I just found `dpkg -S`, that's a first step.
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1167 [10:32:56] <tomreyn> i'm not aware of such a single command. what you can do is reinstall a package (after moving exisgin configuration files out of the way), forcing configurations to be overwritten by the packaged (default) ones, then diff what you used to have to what was unpacked.
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1170 [10:33:09] <tomreyn> Janni: ^
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1174 [10:36:09] <Unit193> Or: apt-get download $pkg;mkdir tmp;dpkg -x $pkg*.deb tmp/ diff -u /etc/somefile tmp/etc/somefile if you wanted another way.
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1199 [10:49:57] <zatumil> try etckeeper if you like version control etc
1200 [10:52:50] <Janni> Alright. Thanks guys. I can work with that!
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1202 [10:55:20] <Janni> Hmm. The etckeeper package seems broken. :-/
1203 [10:55:21] <Janni> Can't exec "/tmp/etckeeper.config.iCC4sx": Permission non accordée at /usr/share/perl/5.28/IPC/Open3.pm line 178.
1204 [10:55:21] <Janni> open2: exec of /tmp/etckeeper.config.iCC4sx configure 1.18.10-1 failed: Permission denied at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/ConfModule.pm line 59.
1205 [10:56:00] <Janni> (during preconfiguration)
1206 [10:56:12] <Janni> (I'm not expecting help with this, just wanted to express my ... emotions.)
1207 [10:56:57] <Janni> (I'm on buster.)
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1209 [10:58:41] <themill> Janni: do you mount /tmp noexec?
1210 [10:59:09] <Janni> Ah yes indeed that's it.
1211 [10:59:36] <Janni> (Sorry for accusing the package. Or would it be considered bad practise to execute stuff in /tmp?)
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1213 [11:00:11] <themill> !tmp noexec
1214 [11:00:11] <dpkg> dpkg doesn't like you mounting /tmp noexec, so you need to: echo -e 'DPkg::Pre-Invoke {"mount -o remount,exec /tmp";};\nDPkg::Post-Invoke {"mount -o remount,noexec/tmp";}' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/tmp-noexec
1215 [11:00:39] <themill> Lots of things assume they can make a tempfile in /tmp and then run it, sadly
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1219 [11:01:29] <Janni> Thanks in any case!
1220 [11:01:43] <themill> nosuid,nodev are the standard mount options for /tmp, not noexec; noexec is a trivial way of preventing some script kiddie escalation but it's of limited efficacy
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1224 [11:02:48] <otyugh> hey. I just saw there wasn't mugshot in buster
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1226 [11:02:56] <otyugh> is there any alternative available ?
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1302 [11:41:46] <bn_work> hi, debian v9 (stretch), coming from CentOS / Ubuntu, finding that adduser / useradd don't exist?? how does one add users in Debian?
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1305 [11:42:44] <bn_work> does debian not have a tool to do this and requires manually adding an entry to /etc/passwd , /etc/group, copying in files from /etc/skel/* ?
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1310 [11:43:53] <spaceone> i recently installed latest debian but my touchpad is not working. Lenovo L590. what can i do? libinput and synaptics foo is installed
1311 [11:44:33] <jelly> !buster su
1312 [11:44:33] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
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1315 [11:44:48] <jelly> bn_work, ^^ read that, your PATH is probably missing /usr/sbin
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1326 [11:48:54] <bn_work> oh weird, I was actually just running from user account w/o su or sudo, normally I'd get a message saying one needs permission if sudo wasn't prefixed, IIRC, is that what this would restore jelly?
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1391 [12:12:17] <jelly> bn_work, you don't have sbin directories in normal user's PATHs so that's expected in this case
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1414 [12:20:35] <otyugh> I have a question about contribution to debian. I saw there were strings not translated in my langage. I downloaded the .deb source, found the .po of my langage, completed it with poeditor and installed the .mo for my system. My little work I did, should I submit it to debian somewhere or is it waaaay to late to submit some translation fix ?
1415 [12:20:38] <otyugh> (on buster)
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1418 [12:24:04] <Haohmaru> aren't changes supposed to start from "experimental" then move to testing and so on untill they reach stable?
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1420 [12:25:02] <Haohmaru> otyugh what's gonna happen to your changes when debian 11 becomes "stable" ? ;P~
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1423 [12:25:48] <otyugh> well I'm only using stable because I want to use what I install to people around me so I get the same problem ><
1424 [12:26:09] <otyugh> :(
1425 [12:26:12] <Haohmaru> my point is.. "stable" is currently debian 10
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1428 [12:26:26] <otyugh> it is.
1429 [12:26:32] <Haohmaru> after a given amount of time, "stable" will be debian 11
1430 [12:26:41] <otyugh> right.
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1433 [12:27:00] <Haohmaru> that's bullseye, which is currently being tested
1434 [12:27:01] <otyugh> For now users are using stable, with incomplete translation which is trivial to fix
1435 [12:27:03] <otyugh> ;..;
1436 [12:27:22] <Haohmaru> (IMO they should learn english) ;P~
1437 [12:27:40] <jelly> Haohmaru, no, they start in sid or git
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1439 [12:28:14] <jelly> experimental is special an nothing from there goes anywhere else
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1441 [12:28:21] <Haohmaru> jelly well, my point was, changes should start from the "top" and go down evenchually, right?
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1445 [12:29:49] <Haohmaru> otyugh one day your users will upgrade to debian 11 wouldn't they
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1447 [12:30:06] <jelly> otyugh, not likely to be fixed in current stable unless you convince the maintainer it's really useful for native speakers and they agree and convince ftpmasters to add the fix to stable-proposed-updates for the next point release
1448 [12:30:23] <galvanoport> debian is the best distro for me
1449 [12:30:24] <otyugh> jelly, yah. I won't do that x)
1450 [12:30:25] <jelly> otyugh, if you have active users, provide your own binary packages in the meantime
1451 [12:30:42] <otyugh> I do that actually.
1452 [12:30:54] <otyugh> just thought it was sad not to give something to upstream
1453 [12:30:57] <jelly> otyugh, otherwise, update the version in sid, and submit a patch to... uh, let me look up
1454 [12:31:13] <jelly> !l10n
1455 [12:31:13] <dpkg> i heard l10n is an abbreviation for localization, which is a long word used a lot in some circles, so it's shortened by effectively saying "L, then 10 more letters, then N", get it? replaced-url
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1458 [12:31:29] <jelly> otyugh, possibly the mailing list for your language
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1461 [12:31:36] <jelly> if there is one
1462 [12:31:52] <Haohmaru> so that's what l10n is.. bruh >:(
1463 [12:32:20] <jelly> localization is too long to type
1464 [12:32:28] <Haohmaru> it's not >:(
1465 [12:32:46] <Haohmaru> that eggsplanation that dpkg wrote is too long to type ^
1466 [12:32:47] <jelly> see also: i18n, k8s
1467 [12:33:13] <Haohmaru> dpkg u deserve a cookie
1468 [12:33:13] <dpkg> Haohmaru: are you using Windows?
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1472 [12:34:11] <jelly> otyugh, if you don't find any better place, and upstream does not have a place to file bugs, file a bug for the version of package in sid and attach the path or the whole new .po there
1473 [12:34:23] <jelly> patch*
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1476 [12:35:31] <otyugh> I feel this is so much more work than the actual translation part é_è
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1482 [12:36:45] <otyugh> Is there some kind of "translation rush" part when debian is about to freeze things up for bulleyes for instance ? I may be more effective thinking like that in the future.
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1537 [13:09:07] <yolan> Hello, when I use SUDO, my $USER and my $HOME refers to the /root and root, how can I make it so that sudo a script keeps my $HOME and $USER env
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1540 [13:09:17] <jak2000> hi all crontab question: if i change crontab: */55 0-6 * * * /usr/scripts/extraeTemp01.sh when was executed the first time? i know what is: */55 0-6 * * * (eevery 55 minutes, but hen the first time? now? or after saved wait 55 minutes?
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1546 [13:14:52] <jelly> jak2000, this will run at 00:00, 00:55, 01:00, 01:55, 02:00, 02:55 ... 06:00, 06:55 every day
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1549 [13:15:50] <jelly> jak2000: each column is interpreted separately
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1553 [13:19:38] <velix> Why is /var/log/cron.log deactivated on Debian ?
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1557 [13:21:33] <jelly> velix, potential privacy/security issue in anyone with adm group being able to see which cron jobs run from any user or service
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1560 [13:22:33] <jak2000> jelly... oooo i thin in: 00:55 and 1:50 and 2:45.... every 55 minutes...
1561 [13:22:37] <jak2000> *think
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1563 [13:23:18] <dvs> nope
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1565 [13:24:03] <dvs> jak2000, at :00 and :55 every hour from hour 0 to 6. 14 times a day total.
1566 [13:24:18] <jak2000> why :00?
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1570 [13:24:54] <dvs> jak2000, it always run at :00 no matter which value you put in.
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1572 [13:25:17] <jak2000> replaced-url
1573 [13:25:18] <jelly> jak2000, you can't do that with a single cron job.
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1577 [13:26:17] <jelly> jak2000, one way to do it is with multiple job lines for the same command.
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1579 [13:26:48] <jak2000> i dont want run 2 times in same hour sample:
1580 [13:26:55] <jak2000> <jelly> jak2000, this will run at 00:00, 00:55,
1581 [13:27:02] <jak2000> is possible remove the :00 ?
1582 [13:27:26] <velix> jelly: But isn't adm trustable?
1583 [13:27:28] <jelly> jak2000, just put in 55 in the minute column, then
1584 [13:27:34] <velix> jelly: Isn't that the core concept?
1585 [13:27:35] <Aliez> ffsd
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1588 [13:28:07] <jelly> velix, Debian does not know whether your root can trust your adm group members, that has to be a local policy decision
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1590 [13:28:21] <ratrace> jelly: "anyone with adm group being able to see" .... well, anyone in sudo group being able to journalctl that info anyway, so what's the point.
1591 [13:28:36] <Aliez> ssasasa
1592 [13:28:36] <jelly> ratrace, sudo group is equivalent to root.
1593 [13:29:08] <ratrace> but it has to be explicitly granted by root, and so does the adm membership, no? I just don't see the logic here.
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1595 [13:29:11] <jelly> adm group is not equivalent to root.
1596 [13:29:42] <jelly> there's still a difference in granted permissions that mighy be surprising
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1598 [13:30:19] <velix> jelly: But what about all the other logs? user.* and mail.* is also shown.
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1600 [13:30:38] <ratrace> jelly: and yet by default cron goes into /var/log/syslog .... :/
1601 [13:30:45] <ratrace> so that logic is simply not there.
1602 [13:30:48] <jelly> ratrace, I don't think it does
1603 [13:30:53] <ratrace> it does
1604 [13:30:55] <velix> jelly: it does
1605 [13:30:57] <jak2000> then would be: 55 0-6 * * * ?
1606 [13:31:06] <ratrace> *.*;auth,authpriv.none -/var/log/syslog
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1608 [13:31:35] <jelly> weird, no idea then
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1614 [13:33:02] <jelly> jak2000, that would run on 00:55, 01:55, ... 05:55, 06:55 every day
1615 [13:33:05] <ratrace> the default rsyslog.conf makes little sense these days. there's /var/log/syslog that does *.* and then there's /var/log/messages that does a lot of that too, which overlaps with other specific channels... in short, many thing are logged twice, thrice
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1617 [13:33:43] <jelly> it's still just a default. Change it.
1618 [13:33:53] <jak2000> thanks
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1620 [13:34:06] <ratrace> jelly: yeah, I do. Just saying the default is not meaningful.
1621 [13:34:27] <jelly> jak2000, note that it does not run every 55 minutes. It runs every 60 minutes, starting from 00:55
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1626 [13:35:19] <jak2000> last dude by moment: 55 22-6 * * *
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1628 [13:35:25] <jak2000> how to run?
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1630 [13:36:02] <g0d_shatter> hey all, pulling my hair out here trying to get my wifi driver installed
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1632 [13:36:39] <dvs> jak2000, that doesn't look like it's going to work.
1633 [13:36:40] <g0d_shatter> I've got what appears to be the correct driver, loaded into the kernel
1634 [13:36:54] <g0d_shatter> but it's simply not working
1635 [13:37:14] <g0d_shatter> I'm running the 5.4 kernel on kali
1636 [13:37:21] <jak2000> ok understand
1637 [13:37:21] <dvs> jak2000, I'd try 55 0-6,22,23 * * *
1638 [13:37:22] <ratrace> g0d_shatter: you'll have to give a bit more info. which chipset, which drive, did you install firmware, etc... oh kali... nope.
1639 [13:37:25] <ratrace> !kali
1640 [13:37:25] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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1644 [13:37:58] <diogenes_> g0d_shatter, run: lspci -nnk | grep Net -A3 and pastebin the output.
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1648 [13:38:59] <g0d_shatter> diognenes_: thanks I'll do that noe
1649 [13:39:13] <ratrace> kali isn't supported here, so you two might wanna take that elsewhere.
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1652 [13:40:24] <g0d_shatter> ratrace: fwiw I was running debian sid for the last two weeks and had this exact issue
1653 [13:40:44] <g0d_shatter> so I'd prefer to just take the help being offered by diogenes_ for the moment
1654 [13:40:52] <g0d_shatter> this is the paste replaced-url
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1656 [13:41:37] <diogenes_> g0d_shatter, and now pastebin the output of: sudo rfkill list
1657 [13:41:51] <ratrace> g0d_shatter: not here tho. there are rules for a reason
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1660 [13:42:45] <ratrace> diogenes_: you're doing everyone a disservice.
1661 [13:42:48] <jelly> people may see advice for sid in here and think it could apply to their system when in fact it might not
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1663 [13:43:19] <diogenes_> ratrace, how so?
1664 [13:43:24] <g0d_shatter> ...is this not the debian channel? why would debian sid questions not be answered here?
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1666 [13:43:29] <jelly> !next
1667 [13:43:30] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
1668 [13:43:34] <jelly> !debian-next
1669 [13:43:35] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1670 [13:43:37] <jelly> g0d_shatter, ^
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1672 [13:43:48] <jelly> gordonfish, I just gave one reason why.
1673 [13:43:58] <jelly> sid and stable are sometimes different
1674 [13:44:11] <jelly> and advice can and does differ
1675 [13:44:21] <jelly> g0d_shatter, ^
1676 [13:44:29] <jelly> sorry fellow fish person.
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1683 [13:45:45] <jelly> g0d_shatter, but kali is neither debian stable not debian sid, and we do not know if differences made by kali people affect how your system works
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1685 [13:46:17] <g0d_shatter> the wifi drivers are the same yall, there are no wifi driver changes made by kali people
1686 [13:46:23] <jelly> g0d_shatter, for this and other tech and policy reasons, we do not support ANY derivative distro in here right now
1687 [13:46:28] <g0d_shatter> maybe on sid thats a valid concern, but not kali
1688 [13:46:52] <jelly> please ask in #kali-linux or a generic linux channel
1689 [13:46:53] <ratrace> diogenes_: because there are rules for a reason. otherwise let's just invite all the debian derivatives users to come here. I'm sure the noise and amount of traffic would be torelable.
1690 [13:47:10] <jelly> ratrace, we allowed that once, it did not go well
1691 [13:47:22] <ratrace> I remember :)
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1694 [13:48:17] <g0d_shatter> ratrace: I'm going to peace out now, but I'm not a noob asking an easily google-able question for ubuntu, and kali linux, whatever its branding says, is not altering nonfree wifi drivers, just fyi
1695 [13:48:18] <jelly> diogenes_ you can offer the same advice to g0d_shatter, and that's a good thing, but please do it in #kali-linux or ##linux channels
1696 [13:48:41] <g0d_shatter> jelly: I've already asked him in a separate room, no need to be dicks about this
1697 [13:48:46] <ratrace> g0d_shatter: we don't know that, you don't know that, and there could be a myriad of _other_ changes that affect your drivers too.
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1699 [13:49:19] <jelly> g0d_shatter, np, I'm just explaining the policy and suggesting alternative venues
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1701 [13:49:50] <g0d_shatter> ratrace: I do indeed know that about kali, or I wouldn't have bothered to ask
1702 [13:49:51] <diogenes_> jelly, ok, i didn't read it was Kali, i only read about wifi driver issues so we've taken it to private chat.
1703 [13:49:58] <jelly> thanks
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1705 [13:50:59] <ratrace> g0d_shatter: I don't think you do, because then you'd be able to solve your problem, knowing everything your distro does, and how it does it.
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1707 [13:51:41] <jelly> ratrace, no need to push it further, they got it
1708 [13:51:55] <ratrace> right.
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1764 [14:20:01] <aspen> good mornin
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1782 [14:32:06] <afidegnum> how do i install zentyal on debian? i can't see any related package
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1785 [14:33:08] <ratrace> afidegnum: it's proprietary software, so you follow their docs and ask their support.
1786 [14:33:24] <afidegnum> anythning similar for debian?
1787 [14:33:50] <ratrace> it's an ubuntu derivative. it's not something you install onto debian
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1789 [14:34:33] <afidegnum> i'm looking for an LDAP+FIle server for debian
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1792 [14:36:16] <ratrace> ,v slapd
1793 [14:36:17] <judd> Package: slapd on amd64 -- jessie: 2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u4; jessie-security: 2.4.40+dfsg-1+deb8u5; stretch: 2.4.44+dfsg-5+deb9u3; stretch-backports: 2.4.47+dfsg-3+deb10u1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.4.47+dfsg-3+deb10u1; buster-backports: 2.4.49+dfsg-2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2.4.49+dfsg-2; sid: 2.4.49+dfsg-2
1794 [14:36:23] <ratrace> !info slapd
1795 [14:36:29] <dpkg> slapd: (OpenLDAP server (slapd)), section net, is optional. Version: 2.4.49+dfsg-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1475 kB, Installed size: 17042 kB
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1798 [14:37:55] <afidegnum> ok,
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1801 [14:39:02] <gordonfish> jelly: np
1802 [14:39:08] <ratrace> afidegnum: see if this helps, esp. for samba+ldap (ldap file server) replaced-url
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1819 [14:50:57] <afidegnum> there is something bothering me, supposed i have a client who is able to save his file on a remote server using samba, how can anther client with a higher administrative right able to access the file? i.e company boss ?
1820 [14:51:36] <wwilliam> #samba
1821 [14:51:46] <afidegnum> ok, thanks
1822 [14:51:58] <afidegnum> no it returns back to debian
1823 [14:52:03] <jelly> samba can have CIFS / NTFS like ACLs
1824 [14:52:05] <wwilliam> what the , and the \ mean here.
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1827 [14:52:23] <wwilliam> /bin/rmdir /opt/*,\
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1829 [14:52:52] <afidegnum> ?
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1831 [14:53:42] <jelly> wwilliam, we'll need more context to answer that. If it's from a shell script, a single \ at the end of the line means the command continues on the next line, a "line continuation"
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1833 [14:54:00] <jelly> , doesn't have any special meaning in shell
1834 [14:54:31] <wwilliam> Jelly that entry from sudoers file
1835 [14:54:39] <wwilliam> I just have that info.
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1837 [14:54:52] <wwilliam> I just wanted to know what tha , and
1838 [14:54:57] <jelly> wwilliam, that's not a whole entry. Pastebin the whole file.
1839 [14:54:57] <wwilliam> \ meant
1840 [14:55:09] <wwilliam> I dont have it Jelly
1841 [14:55:20] <jelly> no idea then
1842 [14:55:40] <jelly> wwilliam, you can read more about sudoers syntax in the manual: man 5 sudoers
1843 [14:55:51] <ratrace> on the command line \ would escape the next char, maybe a space in this case? doesn't make much sense
1844 [14:56:26] <ratrace> oh, sudoers
1845 [14:57:09] <wwilliam> oops sorry jelly
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1862 [15:13:26] <zumba_addict> Few days ago, our installation of artifactory was failing. Someone helped me figure out what was causing apt-get to fail. Our repo in sources was pointing to jessie but the app we are installing was using libpq5 on Stretch library on a debian 8 os. If I change jessie to stretch in the artifactory repo, it shouldn't complain with the issue right? Is there like a dry run instead of `apt-get install arti
1863 [15:13:26] <zumba_addict> factory`?
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1867 [15:14:47] <phogg> zumba_addict: apt-get install --dry-run artifactory
1868 [15:14:54] <zumba_addict> oh cool!
1869 [15:15:33] <zumba_addict> how about finding which applications are using libpq5?
1870 [15:15:37] <zumba_addict> installed applications
1871 [15:16:12] <ratrace> apt-cache rdepends --installed libpq5
1872 [15:16:15] <zumba_addict> The reason I asked that is because I was thinking of uninstalling artifactory and libpq5
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1874 [15:16:30] <zumba_addict> is rdepends correct?
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1876 [15:16:36] <ratrace> you can also apt remove -s <package> and see what else falls out
1877 [15:16:48] <noln> Jessie is going end-of-life on 30 June, unless you buy ELTS
1878 [15:16:49] <zumba_addict> will that right away delete it?
1879 [15:16:56] <ratrace> zumba_addict: yes, rdepends -- reverse dependency
1880 [15:17:05] <ratrace> zumba_addict: -s is --dry-run
1881 [15:17:09] <zumba_addict> cool
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1883 [15:17:17] <zumba_addict> thanks a lot!
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1885 [15:17:38] <ratrace> there's also a manpage you can consult when you come across a flag you don't recognize...
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1889 [15:19:30] <zumba_addict> will do, thanks again
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1964 [15:38:05] <AimHere> From their POV, we're the ones leaving and joining
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2030 [16:13:28] <greg_logan> Is there a way to rehome a package from a repository?
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2032 [16:13:50] <greg_logan> I've got a package which depends on elasticsearch, and I'd like to host the relevant upstream packages unmodified in my own repo
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2034 [16:14:13] <greg_logan> but I have yet to find a way to add it to my repo - everything expects a .changes file
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2046 [16:26:10] <ratrace> greg_logan: I think all you need is to add your repo with a higher priority, and on next upgrade/installation, it'll be used instead
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2052 [16:27:03] <somiaj> You should probably rebuild/reversion your packages (not just copy them) even if they are the same, add like a +custom1 to the end of the version or something along those lines
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2054 [16:28:12] <greg_logan> ratrace: I meant more to prevent having to add the ES repos at all - simplifying things for our users
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2056 [16:28:30] <greg_logan> somiaj: yeah, probably. I'm finding docs on how to build the relevant packages using the ES tooling to be... hard to find :)
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2064 [16:35:43] <TyZef> Hi guys! I am stuck on a case... freshly installed Debian with OpenBox, PcManFm "Find Maj+Ctrl+F" is not working loolk like some package missing, or wrong confing? <<It is not LxDe>>
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2070 [16:38:06] <diogenes_> TyZef, run the command in terminal and see what errors it thows out.
2071 [16:38:23] <diogenes_> throws*
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2080 [16:42:48] <TyZef> diogenes_ nothing come up... actually "find option is like "grey transparent" and we can't press it...
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2083 [16:44:16] <diogenes_> TyZef, then install catfish, also there is a good script for search that uses zenity.
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2086 [16:45:24] <TyZef> thank you diogenes
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2125 [16:55:44] <rrn_> I don't understand, why is NFS so insecure? How can it ever be deployed outside of a trusted network?
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2131 [16:57:16] <ratrace> NFSv4 can do encrypted connections. requires Kerberos tho.
2132 [16:58:36] <kopper> rrn_: Why would you deploy a file sharing system on network you don't trust?
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2134 [16:59:13] <rrn_> ratrace: I'm not concerned about interception, but rather authentication...no passwords...just IP address and UID (which can be arbitrarily-set)...
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2138 [17:00:06] <kopper> Kerberos has authentication
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2142 [17:03:52] <__marco> Hello. I have a fixture with ~5000 objects and it takes ages to load (20min?) to a remote server. Any hint how to speed up process?
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2144 [17:04:09] <anon_linux> Olá a todos
2145 [17:04:38] <__marco> sorry, wrong channel
2146 [17:05:00] <anon_linux> whats/
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2148 [17:05:19] <anon_linux> its channel only speaking ingles?
2149 [17:05:25] <anon_linux> :(
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2154 [17:07:22] <tapoxi> hi all, if I have a iptables masquerade rule does that try to set the ipaddress to the one configured for the outbound nic?
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2250 [18:01:42] <tharkun> Good $DAY @ the company we currently have a wordpress website hosted on one of ourservers. (Enough band width, storage and low load) The persona in charge of this site would like some graphical tool to admin the filesystem within the wordpress account. What are my weapons of choice supported on the main debian repository?
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2252 [18:03:49] <tharkun> Also on a more personal level I need to make an arquitectonic map using some gui for people to see it. What are also my weapons of choice? (Total GUI impaired person here)
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2276 [18:11:44] <jelly> tharkun, is sweethome3d too simple for the latter?
2277 [18:11:53] <karlpinc> tharkun: Have them do it with sftp and filezilla or some such.
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2279 [18:12:30] <ratrace> tharkun: the last thing you want is WP being able to modify your filesystem willy-nilly
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2287 [18:13:59] <karlpinc> ratrace: Too late. Wordpress already must modify it's own part of the file system willy-nilly. The best that can be done is [to get rid of wordpress, I mean] limit the damage.
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2289 [18:14:39] <karlpinc> tharkun: There's plenty of gui sftp clients.
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2293 [18:15:31] <ratrace> karlpinc: why must it? you can run upgrades using WP tools as root from the command line, no need to allow it to modify itself.
2294 [18:15:45] <ratrace> karlpinc: if you allow it to modify itself and the rest of the fs, it's not a question of IF, but WHEN you're compromised.
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2302 [18:17:30] <jelly> tharkun, wp is a php app and typically runs in php-fpm under its own user. After that it's not too hard to restrict it further
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2306 [18:18:10] * jelly also recommends a sftp client like filezilla or winscp instead
2307 [18:18:39] <karlpinc> ratrace: That's why WordPress is so WONDERFUL!
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2310 [18:18:57] <ratrace> what is, that you're gonna get owned soon?
2311 [18:18:59] <jelly> ratrace, that makes things much harder, I think letting it be up-to-date is lesser evil
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2313 [18:19:21] <jelly> that's really a given. So you run wp on a separate host.
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2317 [18:19:37] <ratrace> jelly: it is not. we manage some WP installations for clients. they stopped being compromised when we removed the abilty for the fpm running user to modify its own files.
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2320 [18:20:06] <jelly> ratrace, that's okay if you're being paid to manage the app.
2321 [18:20:08] * jelly is not
2322 [18:20:21] <ratrace> (sure there were a few vulns that modified the content in the db, but none that could delivery a second-stage payload for some nice "local user" kern priv exploit
2323 [18:20:21] <karlpinc> ratrace: Wordpress is point-and-shoot. And operated by amateurs. So let the bullet's fly and if somebody shoots themselves in the foot, that's the price of progress!
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2325 [18:20:29] <jelly> then you get to control how and when it gets patches
2326 [18:20:57] * karlpinc is not either
2327 [18:21:03] <ratrace> karlpinc: someone or your company? I thougth you did/asked this for your company?
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2329 [18:21:16] <jelly> ratrace, do you also do wp maintenance for people hosting it elsewhere? Pricing?
2330 [18:21:17] <ratrace> or did you mean YOU were the amateur that's runnign your company's WP?
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2332 [18:21:39] <ratrace> jelly: no, we have turnkey fully managed solutions
2333 [18:21:39] <karlpinc> ratrace: I ask everybody I'm involved with to not use wordpress. They do anyway, and want to do what they do.
2334 [18:21:47] * joepublic is an amateur that runs several organizations' WP sites
2335 [18:21:48] <ratrace> karlpinc: ah, k
2336 [18:21:49] <jelly> ah, too bad
2337 [18:22:03] <ratrace> jelly: we _offer_ I mean
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2341 [18:22:26] * jelly got that
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2345 [18:23:12] <ratrace> I know that admining a WP installation on a $2/mo shared hosting is impossibru without allowing WP to update itself, but $2/mo shared hosting WP installations are a joke that gets pwn'd within weeks.
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2347 [18:23:46] <joepublic> you can get a xen or kvm vps for not much more than that
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2350 [18:23:56] <ratrace> however I assumed this was a company that hosts its own site on its own servers, thus far from $2/mo amateurs :)
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2360 [18:25:01] <tds> ratrace: out of interest, how do you handle wp + plugin upgrades in that scenario - having it connect back to itself via ftp or something, or via wp-cli or similar?
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2374 [18:27:39] <bint> hi there
2375 [18:27:47] <death_of_aspen> hey
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2398 [18:33:31] <bint> i have a problem.. i installed a teamspeak 3 server, and it seems to be running and all should be fine, but i can't connect to it
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2400 [18:33:50] <bint> if i look up "nmap localhost" it doesn't show me that the ports teamspeak server uses, are open
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2402 [18:34:08] <bint> so it seems to me that there is a firewall or something set up and i should probably open the ports via iptables or something similar
2403 [18:34:13] <bint> but i have no clue how to do this
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2413 [18:36:45] <tharkun> jelly, karlpinc, ratrace: As much as I want to skip this rabbit hole I must eventually explore it. I personally do not like wp nor php but I can't run away from this missery :(
2414 [18:36:54] <tharkun> Thanks for your time.
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2432 [18:40:50] <tharkun> bint: ss -pantu <-- will tell you what ports are open and linked to what network ip.
2433 [18:41:16] <tharkun> Also it will tell you the program running on such port if runned with root privilidges.
2434 [18:41:56] <tharkun> nmaping to localhost will scan 127.0.0.1 IIRC I have to rtfm again to confirm it.
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2437 [18:42:48] <HexicPyth> bint: You can also use netstat --tcp or netstat --udp for a more organized list of the same stuff ss -pantu will show
2438 [18:43:06] <HexicPyth> I'm not sure if netstat comes with the base system though
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2443 [18:43:44] <bint> tcp LISTEN 0 128 127.0.0.1:11000 *:*
2444 [18:43:52] <bint> oh wait
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2448 [18:44:31] <bint> udp UNCONN 0 0 :::9987 :::*
2449 [18:44:42] <bint> thats one of those ports that should be open
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2479 [18:51:12] <tharkun> After taking the appropiate notes (Copy/Paste -> todo list) about wordpress. What about a gui to do some house drawings?
2480 [18:51:15] <jelly> tharkun, if you're going to be responsible for the app installation as well, rat'race's setup sounds interesting
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2482 [18:51:35] <jelly> ,i sweethome3d
2483 [18:51:37] <judd> Package sweethome3d (java, optional) in buster/amd64: Interior 2D design application with 3D preview. Version: 6.1.2+dfsg-2; Size: 12580.9k; Installed: 13340k; Homepage: replaced-url
2484 [18:52:02] <HexicPyth> bint: That last one looks ike an IPV6 address is that what you want?
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2487 [18:52:26] <ratrace> tds: WP has a command line tool that can upgrade the software
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2489 [18:52:34] <jelly> tharkun, that's more for room layouts and 3d mockups
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2491 [18:52:37] <karlpinc> tharkun: Yes. I've set the fs permissions so wp cannot alter its own files. If there's command line tools to upgrade and otherwise maintain wordpress that'd be the way to go.
2492 [18:52:45] <ratrace> ie. it doesn't need to be owned or run by the user that runs the FPM pool
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2496 [18:53:29] <jelly> ratrace, still then you need to find out and make writable those few directories where uploads actually go
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2499 [18:54:48] <ckyr> \join #offsec
2500 [18:54:53] <ratrace> jelly: sure, but those aren't dirs whre PHP or anything else can exec from ;)
2501 [18:54:59] <ratrace> ckyr: NO U
2502 [18:55:01] <bint> so any idea how i could open my ports to connect to my teamspeak server
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2504 [18:55:12] <bint> or are those ports open if they look like that: udp UNCONN 0 0 :::9987 :::*
2505 [18:55:13] <jelly> ratrace, and you need to make sure php cannot exec there :-)
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2512 [18:55:36] <jelly> bint, that does not say anything about local firewall config
2513 [18:55:42] <tharkun> bint: iptables-save will output your current netfilter setup.
2514 [18:55:42] <ratrace> jelly: yup. we also have an AppArmor policy on FPM :)
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2516 [18:56:01] <tharkun> bint: rtfm before executing that line.
2517 [18:56:02] <jelly> ratrace, is the setup publically available?
2518 [18:56:20] <foul_owl> What is a good alarm clock application for debian? I used to use a package called "alarm-clock" but looks like it was removed in debian 10
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2520 [18:56:40] <ratrace> jelly: no it's specific to our setup, but I was thinking on putting on GH all the AA profiles we have (nginx, FPM, postgresql, postfix, ...)
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2522 [18:56:46] <ratrace> *about
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2527 [18:57:24] <ratrace> jelly: it's just that in their current form they're not generally applicable. I run a fascist BofH admin team :)
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2529 [18:57:34] <tharkun> +1
2530 [18:58:02] <karlpinc> foul_owl: Try using debtags to search.
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2536 [18:59:33] <bint> so thats my iptables-save
2537 [18:59:33] <bint> replaced-url
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2540 [19:00:24] <ratrace> bint: so many channels. are those all hand written, or you're using an iptables abstraction tool?
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2543 [19:00:58] <bint> no i didn't write into it
2544 [19:01:04] <bint> maybe it came preset from the vserver i rent?
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2547 [19:02:00] <bint> but i think i posted it twice
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2553 [19:03:07] <foul_owl> karlpinc: Thank you!
2554 [19:03:32] <tds> that ruleset smells like firewalld
2555 [19:03:33] <ratrace> bint: it's a mess where public ports are handled both by the main and IN_public channels. Someone must've written those, or used a tool
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2557 [19:04:45] <bint> oh i think i follwed this yesterday night: replaced-url
2558 [19:05:01] <tds> what does `firewall-cmd --list-all` output?
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2565 [19:07:02] <bint> replaced-url
2566 [19:07:11] <ratrace> bint: that post's ruleset is totally void. it allows packets on certain ports but.... it doesn't block any to begin with.
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2568 [19:07:39] <bint> well if you follow that conversation someone said that aswell
2569 [19:07:45] <bint> so i used the very last post i tink
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2571 [19:08:20] <ratrace> bint: oh yes, there's more.... damn slow internet here so only halfa page loaded when I looked.
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2573 [19:08:41] <ratrace> bint: be careful with INPUT DROP policy and running flush with -F, you'll lock yourself out
2574 [19:08:46] <tds> you don't want to mix methods for managing rulesets - either do it by hand, or using something like firewalld, but mixing both gets messy
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2576 [19:09:02] <bint> i didn't do that, i just used the iptable stuff with the teamspeak server ports
2577 [19:09:08] <bint> maybe thats why my iptables look so overloaded
2578 [19:09:28] <bint> so i just entered whats unter #teamspeak in that post
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2580 [19:09:34] <tds> for your existing ruleset, you should just be able to add services as you need to unfirewall things
2581 [19:09:38] <tds> (in firewalld that is)
2582 [19:09:48] <ratrace> are you sure that's firewalld?
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2584 [19:10:08] <tds> yes, see the firewalld config screenshot posted a moment ago
2585 [19:10:09] <bint> i have no clue, i could easily reinstalld debian and start over
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2587 [19:10:24] <bint> all i want is a little server with teamspeak running xD
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2589 [19:10:41] <bint> i had that in the past and it was easy for me to setup.. no idea why its buggin me so hard these days
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2592 [19:10:50] <rander2> hello
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2594 [19:11:05] <tds> all the extra rules directly in the input chain (after the REJECT!) are a mess though
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2597 [19:11:24] <tds> but harmless
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2602 [19:12:04] <ratrace> those are probably caused by post-boot iptables run manually
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2604 [19:12:10] <tds> indeed
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2606 [19:12:23] <bint> should i restart the server?
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2608 [19:12:46] <ratrace> if anything they should be run with -A IN_public_allow instead of -A INPUT but eh... really... use one firewall solution. if that's firewalld, use its configs to allow ports
2609 [19:12:53] <ratrace> bint: what for? this ain't windows :)
2610 [19:13:07] <tds> that might be sensible, just to get back to a clean state (probably just with the rules with firewalld)
2611 [19:13:08] <HexicPyth> bint: Are you sure the problem isn't that your opening port 9987 on an IPV6 address?
2612 [19:13:18] <HexicPyth> Is that actually what you want?
2613 [19:13:19] <tds> or manually kick firewalld and have it reload, and rebuild the ruleset from scratch
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2616 [19:13:55] <bint> well i try to conenct to the teamspeak server via ipv4 adress
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2620 [19:14:19] <ratrace> replaced-url
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2622 [19:14:26] <bint> i'll quickly reinstall the server and restart
2623 [19:14:28] <HexicPyth> udp UNCONN 0 0 :::9987 <-- IPV6 :::*
2624 [19:15:01] <bint> uh
2625 [19:15:07] <bint> how to put that on ipv4?
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2627 [19:15:11] <ratrace> that' handled by ip6tables-save btw
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2629 [19:15:12] <tds> that listener may well accept v4 connections as well
2630 [19:15:16] <tds> run ss with -e to find out
2631 [19:16:01] <bint> replaced-url
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2634 [19:16:28] <tds> oh, as in the same arguments as before, but with -e as well
2635 [19:16:50] <HexicPyth> so ss -pandue
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2640 [19:17:17] <bint> replaced-url
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2648 [19:18:23] <tds> what debian version is this?
2649 [19:19:09] <bint> i think its buster, but i'm not 100% sure
2650 [19:19:27] <tds> cat /etc/debian_version will tell you
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2652 [19:20:06] <bint> 8.11
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2654 [19:20:10] <tds> but that seems like an older version of iproute2 than i have on buster here, and critically missing the v6only flag, but it's not massively important at this point
2655 [19:20:13] <bint> should i install buster ?
2656 [19:20:15] <tds> and this is a new install?
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2658 [19:20:24] <ratrace> oof
2659 [19:20:33] <bint> i can easily reinstall buster, its 1 click
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2661 [19:20:49] <bint> i thought it will install the newest version when you rent a new server with debian
2662 [19:20:53] <bint> seems it didn't
2663 [19:21:03] <ratrace> I'd run away from that hosting company like from plague
2664 [19:21:06] <tds> jessie is almost dead at this point
2665 [19:21:20] <ratrace> it's one of those lowendbox thingies for cents per month, amirite?
2666 [19:21:21] <bint> its ovh, its a pretty big hosting comapny xD
2667 [19:21:36] <death_of_aspen> so do many people run bullseye atm?
2668 [19:21:40] <bint> yep its 1core low ram, 3$ / month
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2670 [19:21:54] <ratrace> I never heard of ovh installing debian with firewalld enabled... and we've got both dedicated and vps at OVH
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2672 [19:22:15] <bint> i'll reinstall
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2677 [19:22:33] <bint> so you'd recommend buster?
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2679 [19:22:40] <ratrace> abso lute ly.
2680 [19:23:17] <ratrace> death_of_aspen: we have no metric for that
2681 [19:23:19] <bint> 19% done :)
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2684 [19:23:41] <bint> well will take me some time to reinstall teamspeaks server add users etc.. i'll report back tonight or tomorrow :)
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2686 [19:23:45] <bint> thanks for your helps of ar
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2688 [19:23:52] <ratrace> bint: you can fix iptables now
2689 [19:23:53] <bint> one step further... old debian 8.. grml
2690 [19:23:56] <ratrace> install TS later
2691 [19:24:05] <bint> well i start from strach now
2692 [19:24:07] <bint> scratch
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2695 [19:25:50] <bint> should i run apt get update / upgrade first after fresh install?
2696 [19:26:21] <ratrace> sure, I'd do that. but I think their images are usually up to date.
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2698 [19:27:27] <annadane> the netinst would be
2699 [19:27:41] <annadane> if you use the current point release anyway
2700 [19:28:05] <annadane> (because of kernel reasons) though not all point releases are on the same grounding as far as that's concerned
2701 [19:28:18] <annadane> but sure feel free to do that
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2703 [19:28:38] <ratrace> bint: I'm curious about the ouput of iptables -L -n right after installation
2704 [19:29:12] <bint> i'll tell you, but fresh install is stuck at 48% atm, (at lest the webinterface doesn't reload)
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2709 [19:31:27] <bint> so here i am on the new server
2710 [19:31:35] <bint> so first think i do, is iptables -L -n
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2714 [19:32:11] <bint> target prot opt source destination Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination
2715 [19:32:14] <bint> thats all
2716 [19:32:29] <ratrace> yes, it's nicely exquisitely empty :)
2717 [19:32:35] <bint> haha
2718 [19:32:49] <bint> so i'll now install that server again and see if it works
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2721 [19:33:59] <ratrace> btw if you don't wanna be bothered with iptables (and I recommend you do learn it), OVH has nice hardware firewall ability through the control panel.
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2732 [19:37:28] <bint> so thanks for your help guys
2733 [19:37:33] <bint> that was as easy as it used to be
2734 [19:37:35] <bint> it just works now xD
2735 [19:38:16] <bint> damn old debian dist. and fuckin iptables... lost hours yesterday..
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2740 [19:39:23] <antto> ,v codeblocks
2741 [19:39:24] <judd> Package: codeblocks on amd64 -- stretch: 16.01+dfsg-2+b1; buster: 16.01+dfsg-2.1; bullseye: 17.12+dfsg-1; sid: 17.12+dfsg-1
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2745 [19:42:07] <rander2> I installed a virtual host on apache2 , and when I ask site2 in https all go, but when I ask replaced-url
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2747 [19:43:06] <rander2> I installed let's encrypt certificate throught certbot-auto
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2750 [19:44:27] <rander2> I had a site under /var/replaced-url
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2752 [19:46:35] <ratrace> rander2: sounds like misconfigured vhost. you can pastebin your setup, someone who knows apache might help
2753 [19:47:26] <rander2> ratrace, it have many files, https.conf ?
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2762 [19:52:55] <velix> Is xtables-addons-common still fine with Buster's nft netfilter?
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2764 [19:54:24] <watom> velix not compatible
2765 [19:54:46] <velix> okay, then I'll go for a native nft approach
2766 [19:54:49] <watom> velix replaced-url
2767 [19:54:56] <velix> thx
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2780 [20:01:09] <ratrace> rander2: you said you "installed a virtual host on apache2" ... so that, what you "installed". those files and vhosts.
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2783 [20:01:24] <rander2> solved
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2786 [20:01:47] <rander2> I reconfigure certbot, thx all
2787 [20:02:32] <rander2> I mean certbot-auto the python script
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2928 [21:36:30] <ska> I run pulse audio and applicaitons keep getting their volumes reset to either mute or something low.
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2937 [21:42:17] <Twemlow> x
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2946 [21:43:57] <Twemlow> /mode Twemlow +
2947 [21:44:00] <Twemlow> /mode Twemlow +x
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3012 [22:19:13] <bint> hmm
3013 [22:19:32] <bint> i installed debian in german, but i'd rather have it in english - is there a easy way to change the language?
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3015 [22:19:37] <bint> well i can aswell google it
3016 [22:19:54] <jelly> !locale
3017 [22:19:54] <dpkg> A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. replaced-url
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3020 [22:20:15] <jelly> locales
3021 [22:20:44] <jelly> !locales
3022 [22:20:44] <dpkg> Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. replaced-url
3023 [22:20:48] <jelly> sorry about that
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3026 [22:21:56] <jelly> bint ^ that thing will change system default locale, but your Desktop Enviroment will have probably remembered the setting for your user, and you'll have to figure out where to change it in DE's control panel
3027 [22:22:23] <bint> oh i just connect via shell
3028 [22:22:40] <bint> there's no desktop :)
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3030 [22:23:12] <greycat> That simplifies things enormously. You can configure the default locale system-wide, and you can override it in each user's ~/.profile or equivalent.
3031 [22:23:28] <bint> oh that cool
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3034 [22:24:18] <bint> it was the best idea to rent that server again... its an on and off with me and linux.. and its always a hassle between fun and love and hate
3035 [22:24:57] <bint> to run a webserver you'd all recommend apache for a newbie?
3036 [22:25:58] <greycat> I'd start with nginx instead.
3037 [22:26:10] <greycat> Unless you're dead-set on the whole LAMP thing.
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3041 [22:27:01] <jelly> LNMP sounds like an X.500 based protocol.
3042 [22:27:38] <jelly> ldap? snmp? why not... lnmp.
3043 [22:27:59] <bint> oh nginx is famous to run botnets aswell xD
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3045 [22:28:48] <bint> well i have to go get some sleep
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3047 [22:28:49] <bint> good night
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3063 [22:35:43] <mortn> Having problems configuring a VLAN interface. It gets up but systemd-networkd doen't assign an IP to the interface
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3068 [22:37:14] <jelly> mortn, do you perhaps have an IP assigned to the untagged iface as well?
3069 [22:37:31] <mortn> yes I do
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3071 [22:37:45] <mortn> but I can assign an IP to the IF manually
3072 [22:37:48] <mortn> and then it works
3073 [22:38:15] <jelly> I don't know whether networkd has issues with that, but if you go vlan tagged, best go tagged completely
3074 [22:38:32] <jelly> if you need more than one vlan, just put them all into the trunk tagged
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3076 [22:38:45] <jelly> and avoid using untagged for IP completely
3077 [22:38:46] <mortn> aha, I could setup a vlan if on vlanID=0
3078 [22:39:12] * jelly does not know if vlan0 is legal
3079 [22:39:23] <mortn> what weirds me out is that I get systemd-udevd[257]: virt: Failed to rename network interface 5 from 'virt' to 'lan': File exists
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3082 [22:40:09] <mortn> but the "main" IF is named lan (with a 10-lan.link file) and the vlan is named (10-virt.netdev etc)
3083 [22:40:59] <mortn> kinda weird that udevd is trying to rename from the correct name to the link name already taken
3084 [22:41:27] <mortn> Tried to find something on this but without any lcuk
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3086 [22:43:21] <mortn> I have the same thing working on Ubuntu with a physical IF with an IP assigned to it and then a VLAN interface using the physical interface but Debian is really stubborn
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3093 [22:47:24] <exodus_> anyone know some cool channels?
3094 [22:47:58] <sney> irc channel search replaced-url
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3104 [22:51:31] <JesusIsJehovah> there we go!!!!
3105 [22:51:37] <JesusIsJehovah> wuhuuu Debuab fir the wub
3106 [22:51:44] <JesusIsJehovah> Debian for the win
3107 [22:51:46] <JesusIsJehovah> I meant.
3108 [22:51:48] <cstls> ?
3109 [22:52:06] <JesusIsJehovah> I was on an ubuntu channel and thought why am I here....
3110 [22:52:16] <JesusIsJehovah> and thought there might be a debian channel!
3111 [22:52:21] <JesusIsJehovah> and lo and behold :D
3112 [22:52:28] <JesusIsJehovah> CrunchBang for the win! :D
3113 [22:52:29] <joepublic> There might me.
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3115 [22:52:48] <sney> !based on debian
3116 [22:52:49] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
3117 [22:53:11] <annadane> a linux distro around since 1993? which has roughly a thousand official developers and even more maintainers? an irc channel? don't be ridiculous.
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3173 [23:20:01] <exodus> yo
3174 [23:20:32] <sney> hi
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3178 [23:22:38] <dvs> boo!
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3214 [23:36:44] <N9NU> hi. is it recommended to disable secure boot within my lappy when installing the latest testing DVD - via USB
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3218 [23:37:37] <sney> N9NU: only if your laptop refuses to boot the installer. replaced-url
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3220 [23:37:56] <N9NU> copy that
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3222 [23:38:15] <N9NU> im moving from Mageia back toDeb
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3224 [23:38:31] <N9NU> ham radio friendly distro
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3226 [23:38:55] <sney> ok, if you have any more support questions regarding debian, feel free to ask here
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3228 [23:39:35] <N9NU> great. tnx much op here is Tim
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3240 [23:45:53] <N9NU> do you or anyone have a good tutorial for setting up a simple (smtp & imap) server? i have 2.5Gbit of symmetrical bandwidth here and want to host my own servers. SSH/replaced-url
3241 [23:46:48] <dvs> N9NU, I thought the deb packages pretty much set up themselves.
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3243 [23:47:17] <sney> depends on if you are trying to host a mail domain or just using it as a smarthost
3244 [23:47:25] <N9NU> i should have clarified....in regards to all the mx entries, etc
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3246 [23:47:46] <sney> the last mailserver I ran in production was (by the time I left) a heavily modified version of this replaced-url
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3249 [23:48:02] <N9NU> i have 'futurenet-systems.us i am using
3250 [23:48:04] <sney> but it's a very hands-on process especially if your users tend to get signed up for lists
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3253 [23:49:18] <N9NU> understood. wont have to wri abt that...mostly a bi montly newsletter
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3255 [23:50:10] <N9NU> primary use is FTP for amateur radio ops....thats east
3256 [23:50:23] <dvs> !ftp
3257 [23:50:23] <dpkg> File Transfer Protocol (FTP) is a method of moving files between systems using TCP/IP. Not secure; consider using superior protocols (sftp, rsync) for new setups. Ask me about <ftp must die>, <scp>, <sftp>. See also <ftpd>.
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3259 [23:50:28] <sney> if you are sending newsletters it's better to use one of those free services. sending large numbers of mails on a private connection tends to get you throttled as SPs tend to identify it as spam
3260 [23:51:36] <sney> think about it: it's much more likely that someone's server got taken over as part of a botnet, than it is that someone decided to start hosting their own email in 2020
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3263 [23:52:28] <N9NU> fortunately im okay with that. its Metronet. even with a residential acct u can run servers....however this is a bus acct
3264 [23:52:51] <N9NU> total user base is only 1200
3265 [23:52:56] <sney> well, contact your SP ahead of time and let them know, anyway
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3268 [23:53:26] <N9NU> did that before i had the fiber put in :)
3269 [23:53:32] <N9NU> did my homework
3270 [23:53:43] <sney> ok.
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3272 [23:53:54] <N9NU> im deep sixing SH__CAST
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3275 [23:54:54] <N9NU> in addition to that ill be hosting a few game servers
3276 [23:55:02] <mrjpaxton2> Hello, I am having an issue with Budgie Desktop on Debian Buster. When I click to configure my default monitor in "Display Arrangement", it does not show a prompt like "Does this display look OK?" as described here: replaced-url
3277 [23:55:15] <mrjpaxton2> Instead, it will just show nothing, and then reset after 30 seconds.
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3279 [23:56:25] <mrjpaxton2> I also went with the minimal CD and then just installed the budgie-desktop package with it, in case anyone is curious. I'm also using the standard 4.19.0-8-amd64 kernel.
3280 [23:56:36] <N9NU> when u go to test it like?
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3282 [23:58:11] <sney> mrjpaxton2: how many screens do you have, and what are the other details of your video hardware etc?
3283 [23:59:26] <mrjpaxton2> @sney: It's a dual monitor setup, both are 1920x1080, and I am using Radeon RX 570
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