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37 [00:16:26] <Grobo> For example, mysqld adds a /run/mysqld directory, owned by mysql. Since it's a tmpfs system, I don't know where that structure is saved
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88 [00:54:38] <tds> Grobo: if you're on a box using systemd, you might want to look at systemd-tmpfiles
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157 [01:53:58] <helloman35> hello. I am trying to allocate some space from a /home directory to a root directory; the latter which is full. The root directory has no more space available. I am confused as to how this could even theoretically be, since /home is located under the root but this is the problem I think.
158 [01:55:18] <sney> sounds like /home is on a separate partition or volume
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160 [01:56:38] <helloman35> sney it is.
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163 [01:56:53] <sney> what debian version is this?
164 [01:57:30] <helloman35> stretch
165 [01:57:40] <Grobo> tds: Thanks, I'll look
166 [01:58:03] <sney> helloman35: ok, can you run 'fdisk -l' and put the results in replaced-url
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168 [02:00:13] <helloman35> replaced-url
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174 [02:03:32] <sney> ok, lvm. 23G isn't *that* small for / so I'm surprised you ran out of space, and you may be able to make some elbow room with e.g. 'apt clean'
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176 [02:04:23] <helloman35> I did . I think a problem is when I backed up my system with an external Hard drive.
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178 [02:05:04] <helloman35> I cant update packages or anything
179 [02:05:40] <Twemlow> anyone know how to get into (/join #linux)?
180 [02:06:31] <nvz> /j ##linux
181 [02:06:50] <Twemlow> needs an invite
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183 [02:07:03] <annadane> did you try double hashtag
184 [02:07:04] <annadane> ##linux
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186 [02:07:43] <annadane> there's probably a better name than "hashtag" :/ i just don't know what the symbol is called in non-twitter
187 [02:07:52] <nvz> Twemlow: no it needs you to register its nick
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189 [02:08:09] <sney> helloman35: you can resize lvm volumes using their utilities. I'm not super familiar with it, but look up 'lvm resize' and there are howtos all over the internet. you will need to shrink the filesystem on /home first, then resize the lvm volumes, then expand the filesystem on /.
190 [02:08:14] <Unit193> annadane: 'double hash channel'? :)
191 [02:08:14] <nvz> a pound sign, number sign, a tic-tac-toe board...
192 [02:08:35] <annadane> i can't believe i just said double hashtag, i deserve to be shot
193 [02:08:51] <sney> lol
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197 [02:09:24] <met> it's "hash", or "octothorpe" if you're feeling fancy
198 [02:09:46] <Unit193> Pound, mhmm.
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203 [02:13:13] <helloman35> @sney i am doing my due diligence now
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239 [02:35:38] <helloman35> sney I am confused. I just deleted a substantially large directory under the root and the file system still says root is 100% full...
240 [02:36:25] <sney> are you sure it wasn't in /var ? according to your paste that's also a different volume
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245 [02:38:49] <helloman35> @sney what did you say I got logged out
246 [02:39:32] <sney> linux keeps some space reserved on the disk so it can still be written in emergencies after it's 100% full
247 [02:39:57] <sney> it isn't perfect and it's possible to overrun the reserved space, especially as root, but it's meant to give a margin so that fixing it is possible
248 [02:40:02] <helloman35> @sney I just deleted over 50 mb....
249 [02:40:56] <sney> it's a percentage of your total space and I'm sure it's bigger than 50MB
250 [02:41:05] <sney> have you tried resizing your volumes yet?
251 [02:41:56] <helloman35> @sney the e2fsck package I dont have I dont think and I cant download packages. I think im screwed
252 [02:42:13] <sney> !sbin
253 [02:42:13] <dpkg> Some binaries, particularly system utilities are installed to /sbin or /usr/sbin rather than /bin or /usr/bin. The former directories are not in a standard user's PATH. Try calling them directly, e.g. /sbin/ifconfig, or running them as root.
254 [02:42:29] <sney> if you have ext2 filesystems then you have their utilities.
255 [02:42:52] <sney> besides, it's resize2fs. fsck is for checking the filesystem
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258 [02:43:17] <helloman35> the video I was watching was suggesting to do that first. I am an amatuer
259 [02:43:30] <sney> ok. it can't hurt, anyway.
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262 [02:44:00] <helloman35> what cant hurt? using fsck?
263 [02:44:04] <sney> yes
264 [02:44:15] <Kobaz> fsck can destroy your filesystem
265 [02:44:24] <Kobaz> depends...
266 [02:44:51] <sney> in this particular case, running a regular check before trying to resize it, will probably not break anything as there is no indication of other problems with the filesystem
267 [02:45:01] <sney> and if I have to qualify every suggestion we'll never get anywhere.
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269 [02:45:30] <helloman35> @sney thats true. Its a balance though. @kobaz thanks for the concern
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271 [02:45:58] <Kobaz> clone your drive, do a raw dd if=/dev/sda of=...etc if you care about your data
272 [02:46:00] <Kobaz> and then play with it
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274 [02:46:16] <Kobaz> typically, fsck will do its best to fix it and it'll be good... untypically you'll still be left with a disaster
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276 [02:46:27] <sney> there was already a mention of an external backup
277 [02:47:03] <helloman35> yeah I backed up the drive recently. I can do that again. I think the mount point of the backup is what might be leading to this congestion
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280 [02:47:32] <sney> that's very unlikely, what was the mount point?
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282 [02:47:51] <sney> unless you tried to back the disk up to itself somehow
283 [02:48:28] <helloman35> the mount point of the HDD via rsync was under /media
284 [02:48:37] <sney> yeah that won't cause this issue
285 [02:49:05] <helloman35> under root? To be honest the file system confuses the shit out of me and I do not think I am that much of a total idiot
286 [02:49:14] <sney> !fhs
287 [02:49:14] <dpkg> Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See replaced-url
288 [02:49:43] <helloman35> yeah il look over that again. got any video suggestions?
289 [02:50:17] <sney> a separate volume mounted at /media will not affect the disk usage of / any more than it'll affect the usage in /home or /var etc. it's a little confusing coming from windows but once you get it you'll get it
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293 [02:50:31] <sney> I don't really learn from videos but there's probably something good out there
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295 [02:50:49] <helloman35> I cant even mount the HDD. I get a "no room left on device" even though the HDD is only 20% full....
296 [02:51:35] <helloman35> i can mount the HDD on another comp. So any issues realted to the HDD can be rules out
297 [02:51:39] <helloman35> ruled*
298 [02:51:49] <sney> that's saying no room left on your root device. It's vague, I know, but bash will refuse to do a lot of operations if the disk that *bash* is on is full
299 [02:52:12] <sney> you might have better/easier results if you try doing this from a livecd.
300 [02:52:29] <helloman35> what do you mean
301 [02:52:33] <unborn> sney: he seems to not understand no matter how you would explain it.
302 [02:52:43] <sney> unborn: thanks for the contribution
303 [02:52:57] <unborn> sney: you welcome
304 [02:53:00] <helloman35> @unborn SPREADING POSITIVITY THANKS
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307 [02:53:56] <sney> helloman35: just ignore it. a livecd like replaced-url
308 [02:54:54] <helloman35> @sney oooo Thats how I loaded debian onto this system in the first place. Via live usb
309 [02:57:14] <helloman35> @sney had to think about that for a sec. This sounds like a safer way to go about it
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312 [02:57:48] <sney> it should be
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367 [03:50:15] <helloman35> @sney thanks for your help this will be a process
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413 [04:34:34] <mi11k1> how do i remove the '' from 'multiplefiles'?
414 [04:34:57] <mi11k1> a whole folder
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418 [04:35:49] <mi11k1> i tried to google it, but im no good with advanced cli stuff
419 [04:36:03] <sponix> mi11k1: Might try "man rename" to see if anything useful comes up
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421 [04:36:53] <mi11k1> sponix, nice, i didnt even know that existed, i always use mv
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426 [04:39:45] <mi11k1> sponix, ohhh they are there because of the spaces
427 [04:40:14] <mi11k1> i always thought there was \'s, i always avoid spaces
428 [04:40:47] <sponix> mi11k1: I thought a user recently was full of shit when they told me "rename" -- I was like yeah right... But it does exist now
429 [04:40:56] <sponix> I am OLD, and was like umm good joke
430 [04:41:36] <mi11k1> sponix, well mine is rename.ul or something
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432 [04:42:38] <sponix> mi11k1: odd.. Ubuntu base has an actual regular "rename" command. wonder where it came from
433 [04:42:53] <mi11k1> the manpage is rename, but hit tab and it got an extension of ul
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436 [04:43:04] <mi11k1> rename bu itself on cli didnt work
437 [04:43:40] <mi11k1> its probably a little poison that leaked from ubuntu
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439 [04:43:47] <mi11k1> *shiver
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441 [04:44:20] <usney> is there any tools to see what processes are making my computer too hot over time?
442 [04:44:31] <usney> It is hot just not at critical yet.
443 [04:44:33] <mi11k1> usney, top
444 [04:44:38] <usney> cool
445 [04:44:42] <mi11k1> see whhats using cpu
446 [04:45:05] <mi11k1> htop is better, but its not installed by default
447 [04:45:07] <usney> what if you just opened top? Is there a history of whats using the most cpu?
448 [04:45:17] <usney> yes I prefer htop too easier to read
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450 [04:45:44] <mi11k1> oh, so u already know??>
451 [04:46:11] <usney> yes I just want to know like the history before you try to open top
452 [04:46:28] <usney> or any cpu and memory gpu monitor.
453 [04:46:38] <usney> is there logs for that?
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455 [04:46:55] <mi11k1> i think youd have to flick some switches to get it to log that
456 [04:47:04] <usney> okay cool
457 [04:47:13] <usney> I'll search for that online
458 [04:47:16] <mi11k1> i just look at top when its hot, and its easy to find the culprit
459 [04:47:26] <usney> cool thank you
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461 [04:47:36] <mi11k1> usually whatever it is will hang in my experience
462 [04:48:06] <mi11k1> sometimes dmesg can shed some light
463 [04:48:12] <usney> I suppose what I meant by logging is also the statistics too
464 [04:49:04] <usney> that would be more useful than just a log because it is a graph that lets you know right away which processes use the most ram or cpu gpu..etc. routinely.
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466 [04:49:20] <mi11k1> try this " while true; do uptime >> uptime.log; sleep 1; done"
467 [04:49:40] <usney> okay cool
468 [04:49:52] <mi11k1> This will log your cpu load every second and append it to a file uptime.log
469 [04:50:04] <mi11k1> sais google
470 [04:50:04] <usney> thank you
471 [04:50:30] <usney> I try not to use google and now even duckduckgo because they support ads for amazon now.
472 [04:50:46] <usney> searx is pretty neat there are others as well.
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475 [04:51:24] <nvz> ,i powertop
476 [04:51:25] <judd> Package powertop (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: diagnose issues with power consumption and management. Version: 2.8-1+b2; Size: 188.7k; Installed: 604k; Homepage: replaced-url
477 [04:51:27] <usney> mi11k1 what dns service provider(s) do you recommend?
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479 [04:51:46] <usney> thank you nvz
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481 [04:52:10] <nvz> in physics, pressure and temperature are directly related.. in computers... well.. power or current and temp are directly related :P
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485 [04:52:48] <usney> that's neat nvz
486 [04:53:10] <usney> yes is that a electrical current?
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488 [04:53:26] <usney> or what kind of current is it? Processing?
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492 [04:55:10] <nvz> when the computer does more processing, it uses more power, generates more heat.. powertop was designed to attempt to analyze just such a thing
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495 [04:55:57] <usney> cool nvz this will be very useful because I have an issue with this big time my computer freezes sometimes not very often but sometimes
496 [04:56:32] <usney> I think it is usually because of too many tabs open in my browser and many apps open.
497 [04:56:39] <nvz> yeah mine has been doing it a bit too but I think my issue is the ssd.. but not certain and havent bothered to investigate
498 [04:56:41] <mi11k1> nvz, i understand this, i rarely have the issue, i just use top and get it right away
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500 [04:57:10] <usney> I have an SSD too.
501 [04:57:23] <mi11k1> what browser?
502 [04:57:29] <usney> firefox
503 [04:57:32] <nvz> is it like mine, rather small and usually close to full? :P
504 [04:57:37] <mi11k1> when it happens just open a term and run top
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506 [04:57:38] <nvz> cause I suspect thats whats causing my issues
507 [04:57:54] <mi11k1> if chrome is using 100% cpu, then theres the problem
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509 [04:58:30] <mi11k1> how close is close to full?
510 [04:58:38] <usney> no I do not have a small drive I originally had a really small drive when I got my first laptop and I always filled that too much really quickly but 120 gb ssd is enough for me to avoid that.
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512 [04:58:56] <usney> that was back in 2005
513 [04:59:10] <mi11k1> tjhe pc im on is a 120ssd
514 [04:59:16] <nvz> yeah mine is 128GB but its usually well under 10G free
515 [04:59:44] <nvz> and ssd as I understand behave differently with deletion and reuse of sectors..
516 [04:59:44] <mi11k1> i dont use mechanical drives for anything. just have a 12TB zfs for my VMs
517 [05:00:01] <usney> I also remove my DVD drive and used a dvd drive caddy to install a second hard drive and installed my old one I replace in there for backups.
518 [05:00:33] <nvz> my disk is also encrypted which I'm sure further complicates the overhead of this clearing of unused space
519 [05:00:44] <mi11k1> how much ram?
520 [05:00:50] <usney> I just use mechanical drives for backups because I've read they last longer than ssd drives and I do not have much money.
521 [05:00:53] <nvz> 8GB
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524 [05:01:10] <mi11k1> if yer hd was full yer pc would probab;y just hang
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528 [05:01:31] <mi11k1> its proably tabs that are a heavy java load in yer browser
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531 [05:02:04] <mi11k1> fslint is a good tool to clean stuff up
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533 [05:02:43] <nvz> you seem to assume these issues have anything at all to do with a web browser
534 [05:02:57] <mi11k1> usney, well mechanical drives a certainly in abundance for large capacity
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536 [05:03:14] <usney> you can use noscript to limit the amount of scripts running but you have to know which ones to allow and not allow though which can take time to figure out but once you set it up for the sites you use often that need it you don't need to reset it up.
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538 [05:03:16] <mi11k1> i run into the problem all the time
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540 [05:04:14] <mi11k1> i dont use a pure debian distro on the machines that i use as desktops. i use MX
541 [05:04:17] <usney> my drive is 50/50 used and I still have crashes and my ssd drive has dram so it isn't slower than a swindle drive.
542 [05:04:33] <usney> why is mx so popular now mi11k1 ?
543 [05:04:41] <usney> I was reading about that on distrowatch.com
544 [05:04:45] <mi11k1> try it and u will see
545 [05:05:04] <usney> okay I downloaded it already I haven't set it up or tried it yet.
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547 [05:05:25] <usney> I am going to switch my friend's distro to that one.
548 [05:05:56] <mi11k1> its a bootable usb, it installs from live desktop
549 [05:06:04] <usney> yes I know
550 [05:06:09] <mi11k1> you dont need to install it to check it out
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552 [05:06:35] <nvz> I'm not real up to speed on ssd stuff, as I spent a couple years recently away from tech.. just now using them for the first time.. but as I understand it, way I learned it when I was a tech.. hdd typically the fs just marks sectors as unused and when it needs more space it just reuses those.. but due to the nature of the SSD this isnt possible.. deleted files are not ready to simply be overwritten on an SSD
553 [05:06:50] <nvz> its more like how a rewritable CD/DVD works
554 [05:06:59] <mi11k1> basically its just fast as shit compared
555 [05:07:00] <nvz> and needs to be formatted first so all the pits are leveled out
556 [05:07:00] <usney> I am aware of that. as why I said "set it up or tried it out" I meant to say try it out via live usb.
557 [05:07:35] <usney> rewritable cd/dvd is crap
558 [05:07:36] <mi11k1> i havent used optical medi for over 10 years now
559 [05:07:46] <nvz> which means its not really about how much free space the fs reports.. but how much of the free space it reports is actually cleared out and ready to be reused again on the ssd
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561 [05:08:00] <mi11k1> once i figured out iscsi
562 [05:08:06] <usney> yea you don't need it now USB flash and flash cards are the future
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564 [05:08:33] <usney> you can get 128 gb usb for real cheap now in the US
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567 [05:08:48] <mi11k1> actually, i found something called syncthing 2 nights ago, pretty cool little util
568 [05:08:52] <nvz> i.e. if you have 50% usage but have written and deleted 50% of the capacity.. you may still technically have a full ssd even though the filesystem is only 50% in use
569 [05:09:09] <mi11k1> i have ssds coming out the yingyang
570 [05:09:31] <usney> yes I have syncthing installed already I haven't used it yet
571 [05:09:32] <mi11k1> my buddy was a tech guy and he died recently, i raided his garage
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573 [05:09:40] <usney> let me know how it goes mi11k1
574 [05:09:57] <mi11k1> usney, how what goes?
575 [05:10:04] <mi11k1> syncthing? its awesome
576 [05:10:07] <usney> this is my registered nick so you will know it is me
577 [05:10:09] <mi11k1> uses stun
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579 [05:10:28] <usney> nice
580 [05:10:41] <usney> does it allow encrypting?
581 [05:10:50] <mi11k1> its all encrypted
582 [05:10:54] <usney> cool
583 [05:11:25] <usney> can it sync your apps data too or just personal data?
584 [05:11:40] <mi11k1> anything u want
585 [05:11:51] <usney> I know you probably could just sync the folder where the data is held but I am not sure if that would be easy to do.
586 [05:12:03] <usney> nice mi11k1
587 [05:12:14] <mi11k1> thast how it goes, folder based
588 [05:12:43] <usney> I mean the data for the apps settings and stored data's folder
589 [05:12:49] <usney> to sync
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591 [05:13:12] <usney> for apps you want to sync like bookmarks and such from firefox to firefox for example
592 [05:13:19] <mi11k1> oh, it has that covered, youll see
593 [05:13:26] <usney> awesome!
594 [05:13:55] <mi11k1> oh for that u sync the .config or any hidden fodlers usually
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598 [05:14:13] <mi11k1> ]i use chrome so i dont worry about that stuff
599 [05:14:16] <usney> mi11k1 what did you find in your buddies garage? and I am sorry to hear.
600 [05:14:43] <mi11k1> oh, I got lenovo i7s a i took a poweredge r620
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602 [05:15:01] <usney> nice is that a thinkpad or a thinkcenter?
603 [05:15:01] <mi11k1> over 500gug of ram
604 [05:15:14] <usney> WHAT that is a lot???
605 [05:15:15] <mi11k1> the pwoeredge?
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607 [05:15:18] <usney> must be a server?
608 [05:15:32] <mi11k1> its a rackmounted dell server
609 [05:15:48] <usney> I mean the lenovo is it a thinkpad or thinkcenter?
610 [05:16:02] <usney> thinkpad is the laptop and the thinkcenter is the desktop
611 [05:16:37] <usney> what arch do serves primarily use these days?
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613 [05:16:55] <usney> servers*
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616 [05:17:22] <usney> it usually says what it is somewhere on the computer mi11k1
617 [05:17:42] <usney> for the thinkpad or thinkcenter
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619 [05:18:32] <mi11k1> oh theyre mini thinkcebteres
620 [05:18:45] <mi11k1> 500gig ssds and 12 gig ram
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623 [05:18:54] <mi11k1> i have 3
624 [05:19:14] <usney> wow nice
625 [05:19:23] <usney> you are lucky
626 [05:19:44] <usney> I am too broke for a new computer with that amount of ram
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628 [05:19:53] <usney> maybe if I built it as I go
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630 [05:20:03] <mi11k1> i took 4 or 5 3TB drives and put them in a i7 and turned it into a 12TB storage for the r620
631 [05:20:21] <usney> that's cool
632 [05:20:32] <mi11k1> i took that much loose ram the poweredge has 256 or something
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635 [05:21:49] <mi11k1> ya, im extremely lucky. it gave me the chance to try every crazy experiment ive never had the hardware to try
636 [05:22:03] <usney> are all the lenovo computers except for a few easy to upgrade all parts except if it is part of the motherboard? Meaning it is not soldered in like the cpu/gpu and ram.
637 [05:22:52] <usney> it seems the older ones are like the old x and t series since those are the ones that coreboot and libreboot support.
638 [05:22:53] <mi11k1> i just opened the hatch and threw in ssds and and ram, im pretty sure the cpu is removeable
639 [05:23:05] <usney> cool
640 [05:23:29] <mi11k1> usually the lenovo line is easiliy upgraded
641 [05:23:57] <mi11k1> i use mostly VMs for everything
642 [05:23:59] <usney> cool
643 [05:24:10] <mi11k1> proxmox
644 [05:24:24] <usney> What do you think of those distros that use VMs for every app you open?
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647 [05:24:43] <usney> for security and privacy reasons
648 [05:24:56] <mi11k1> usney, i dont inderstannd what u mean
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650 [05:25:10] <mi11k1> i use docker for a lot of stuff
651 [05:25:32] <mi11k1> u mean like appimage or whatever those things are?
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653 [05:26:07] <usney> replaced-url
654 [05:26:15] <usney> no mi11k1
655 [05:27:15] <usney> you can setup VMs so that they look like it isn't a virtual machine and that it appears to be apart of the system because it opens an app window instead of a window with a separate desktop.
656 [05:27:25] <mi11k1> looks interseting, never heard of it. ive heard of xen though
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658 [05:27:47] <mi11k1> i started usinng proxmox and its been rock solid, so i just stayed with it
659 [05:28:09] <usney> supposedly edward snowden uses qubes os but I am not sure if he does as everyone wants to use his name to support their products these days
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661 [05:28:35] <usney> that are for security and privacy
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663 [05:29:33] <usney> I am not sure about appimage or docker but flatpak puts all their packages into their own sandbox which is similar to a VM
664 [05:29:59] <mi11k1> thats what i meant flatpaks
665 [05:30:38] <usney> I prefer flatpaks since they have the developers sign their packages cryptography so you know it was actually from them.
666 [05:30:48] <mi11k1> mx has a package manager and its got flatpakes section
667 [05:31:06] <mi11k1> i have a few flatpaks
668 [05:31:08] <usney> also flatpaks let you know if it is a proprietary program or not.
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670 [05:31:40] <usney> for those who prefer to use all source code released apps.
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672 [05:32:18] <mi11k1> i mosly mess with webapps , i use docker. i try a lot of stuff.
673 [05:32:45] <mi11k1> turnkey linux is pretty cool, its all based off debian 9
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675 [05:33:11] <mi11k1> a lot of my vms are from turnkey iso or lxc containers
676 [05:33:56] <mi11k1> i dont worry about security too much. im on my neigbours wifi rightnow.
677 [05:34:15] <mi11k1> i was load balancing between a few
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679 [05:35:28] <usney> I am just concerned about being ripped off by online stores since I read that some of them can and do use our browsing data to see if you are more likely to spend more on certain items than others to get the maximum profit.
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681 [05:36:00] <mi11k1> i just use ebay and paypal
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683 [05:36:37] <usney> It is weird that duckduckgo made a blog about that and they now offer ads for amazon that doesn't appear you can opt out of them.
684 [05:37:06] <usney> they only come up in the first results if you search for products
685 [05:37:06] <mi11k1> i block a lot of ads with a hosts file
686 [05:37:22] <mi11k1> it just renders as a box with an x to close it
687 [05:37:29] <usney> I have adblocking addons and I still see them
688 [05:37:52] <usney> they must host them on their address then
689 [05:38:09] <mi11k1> i dont use amazon
690 [05:38:12] <mi11k1> i used to
691 [05:38:39] <usney> would you like a link I found filled with amazon and walmart alternatives?
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693 [05:39:05] <usney> It even lists companies to avoid and products that are owned by them too.
694 [05:39:06] <mi11k1> walmart?
695 [05:39:19] <mi11k1> i just walk up the steet if i want something from there
696 [05:39:23] <usney> walmart is a major retailer in the us.
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698 [05:39:37] <usney> i think it is a global store now
699 [05:39:49] <mi11k1> ya, theres a few in my city
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702 [05:40:14] <mi11k1> theyve been here for years.
703 [05:40:16] <usney> I use target instead they offer free shipping with no fees you just need a redcard which isn't a credit card.
704 [05:41:10] <usney> I am going to try out powertop let me get you the link before I go
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708 [05:42:01] <mi11k1> where do u live? it doesnt sound like u live in a place where theres civilization.
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710 [05:42:19] <usney> replaced-url
711 [05:42:37] <usney> I use to live in the Chicago area now I live in a small town.
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713 [05:42:50] <mi11k1> usney, actually i kinda lied, i run observium and it collects info fro all my machines via snmp
714 [05:43:18] <usney> is that a joke?
715 [05:43:19] <usney> lol.
716 [05:43:22] <mi11k1> i have graphed data of temps and cpu usage
717 [05:43:30] <usney> oh
718 [05:43:33] <mi11k1> no
719 [05:43:33] <usney> that
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721 [05:43:48] <usney> I thought you meant for the shopping and browsing data collecting lol
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723 [05:44:14] <mi11k1> no, however, i am trying to figure out how to scrape data from websites though
724 [05:44:36] <usney> what kind of data?
725 [05:44:38] <mi11k1> gave up on it for now, too complicated
726 [05:44:59] <mi11k1> i dont know, i just think it would be useful.
727 [05:45:09] <mi11k1> kijiji and other classified sites
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729 [05:45:55] <usney> cool
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731 [05:45:59] <usney> like the darkweb?
732 [05:46:07] <mi11k1> no like local classifieds
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735 [05:46:17] <usney> oh like craigslist?
736 [05:46:22] <mi11k1> ya
737 [05:46:46] <mi11k1> im playing wit hass.io right now, its kinda cool
738 [05:47:12] <mi11k1> i have a few esp8266 devices and arduinos laying around
739 [05:47:39] <mi11k1> something is homeassistant gave me the idea to scrape, who knows
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744 [05:49:25] <usney> nice
745 [05:50:21] <mi11k1> i just tried powertop
746 [05:50:27] <usney> cool
747 [05:50:32] <usney> do you like it?
748 [05:50:34] <mi11k1> it sais i have nfc, i dont think i do
749 [05:50:59] <usney> I haven't installed it yet I doing an upgrade right now
750 [05:51:20] <mi11k1> its just a cli thing that gives you more detailed info. detailed info about whats sucking on the battery
751 [05:51:30] <usney> cool
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753 [05:51:47] <mi11k1> upgrades take 30 sec, dont they?
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755 [05:52:19] <usney> I am not sure I am using a mirror it is taking a bit to download
756 [05:52:24] <mi11k1> i have apt-cacher running here
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758 [05:53:00] <usney> I delete my deb files that get downloaded to save space
759 [05:53:11] <usney> after they have been installed
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761 [05:53:12] <mi11k1> i have a vm that caches them
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763 [05:53:33] <mi11k1> that way everything i upgrade doesnt have to go get it from the net
764 [05:54:06] <usney> oh nice powertop is already installed
765 [05:54:13] <usney> must be installed by default
766 [05:54:18] <usney> I don't remember installing it.
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771 [05:59:13] <usney> see you mi11k1
772 [05:59:20] <usney> is your nick registered too?
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774 [05:59:48] <mi11k1> ya, it is.
775 [05:59:51] <mi11k1> cya later man
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777 [06:00:01] <prologic> Is there a way I can override which systemd unit file actually gets packaged (packaging question)?
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781 [06:01:16] <han-solo> it's your package, you own it ?
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783 [06:01:55] <prologic> I know :) I'm confused by the various ways in which debhelper claims you can override things; for example override_gh_installsystemd
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791 [06:09:43] <rajivmars> hi guys! is it safe to install debian from the unofficial live images? because i m not able to install it from the official image due to to some software issue.
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796 [06:13:45] <Werner> Depends on if you trust an unofficial image. In any case you are on your own.
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802 [06:15:15] <rajivmars> Werner, after installing from the official image debian is not boot. i thing its nor-free issue. anyways, thanks!
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805 [06:16:30] <linux_user> Hello all. What is DEP-11, is that some kind of different microprocessors from amd64 or intel? I saw it when I did an apt-get update command.
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808 [06:20:06] <annadane> rajivmars, the live image does have the calamares installer, you can try that perhaps
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820 [06:43:15] <nvz> heh
821 [06:43:37] <nvz> dpkg, tell linux_user about dep
822 [06:44:50] <nvz> replaced-url
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824 [06:44:57] <nvz> dpkg, dep-11
825 [06:44:58] <dpkg> nvz: bugger all, i dunno
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827 [06:46:33] <nvz> dpkg, dep-11 is a proposal to extend debian package metadata replaced-url
828 [06:46:34] <dpkg> nvz: okay
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831 [06:49:08] <Unit193> AKA autopkgtests.
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849 [07:11:06] <usney> that's cool nvz added some new stuff
850 [07:11:57] <nvz> usney: wouldnt be the first time
851 [07:12:37] <nvz> irc is my preferred method of contribution, if I didnt add, modify, or remove information from our database as needed, I wouldnt be worth much :P
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895 [07:58:04] <vlt> Hello. I have an open shell and am in a directory that (a few dirs up) has been *moved* somewhere else. I can ls, read and write files relative to where I am. How can I find out the actual position relative to /?
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898 [08:02:39] <Werner> vlt: you mean pwd?
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905 [08:09:30] <jm_> vlt: its new path? in shell this shall work: ls -l /proc/$$/cwd (or readlink that)
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922 [08:20:12] <usney> is there a way to list only the command line apps that are installed?
923 [08:20:23] <usney> via the terminal
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936 [08:28:41] <gratteku> Bonjour la compagnie
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945 [08:32:36] <luna_> Debian 11 Online Hackathon from Friday this week
946 [08:32:55] <Unit193> Is that the med one?
947 [08:33:26] <vlt> Werner: No, that would show me the *old* path.
948 [08:33:32] <luna_> Unit193: med?
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950 [08:33:35] <vlt> jm_: I'll try that. Thank you.
951 [08:33:42] <luna_> no its the online Gothenburg one
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955 [08:36:10] <Unit193> luna_: Yes the med team has a hackathon.
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958 [08:37:07] <Unit193> vlt: This doesn't answer your question, sorry, but sometimes when I move a packaging directory from ~/ to the correct location while I'm in it, I'll cd ../DIRNAME
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965 [08:40:32] <luna_> Unit193: ah did not know this, this is an BSP mostly for fixing Debian 11 bugs and hack on new features: replaced-url
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1010 [09:01:03] <ZaZaGX> i can't find the debian 11 hackathon on google
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1012 [09:01:37] <Hacksterix> hi everyone
1013 [09:01:49] <luna_> hi Hacksterix
1014 [09:02:03] <Hacksterix> hello luna_
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1111 [10:09:23] <M4rcOny> good morning ppl
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1118 [10:10:26] <rrttyy> Hi, I'm using Debian stable with xfce. Chromium can not access the microphone, while gnome-sound-recorder can.
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1120 [10:11:06] <rrttyy> What could be the problem here? I've tried disabling all add ons and using a default install, but nothing seems to work.
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1128 [10:13:25] <rrttyy> I'm pretty sure it is a pulseaudio problem, I can't get microphone access on firefox either.
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1134 [10:16:10] <jm_> rrttyy: do those apps show up in pavucontrol?
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1136 [10:16:19] <rrttyy> No.
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1149 [10:20:16] <jm_> I don't mic in browsers. just in my VM and when a call app is started in the VM it shows up in pavucontrol under recording
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1159 [10:22:59] <jm_> don't use*
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1175 [10:26:46] <rrttyy> I need to use discord, actually.
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1177 [10:27:04] <rrttyy> It would be really heavy in a vm tbh
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1181 [10:28:17] <jm_> yeah I wasn't suggesting to use it that way, just explaining my setup and how I use my mic
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1183 [10:28:53] <jm_> but apparently firefox can only do sound via PA these days, so it can't be it's not connecting to it
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1185 [10:29:12] <jm_> (which is something I was going to ask you to check)
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1220 [10:45:02] <wonderer> crazy stuff replaced-url
1221 [10:45:38] <Unit193> Hello, perhaps #debian-offtopic would be more suitable?
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1241 [10:52:20] <rrttyy> I checked, firefox does work.
1242 [10:52:26] <rrttyy> Chrome, for whatever reason, does not.
1243 [10:52:39] <rrttyy> I was using an odler version of firefox. Downloaded the latest version, everything works.
1244 [10:52:51] <rrttyy> I was actually using basilisk with a different user agent.
1245 [10:52:58] <rrttyy> Thaks for your help.
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1255 [10:54:17] <ksk> !does not work
1256 [10:54:17] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
1257 [10:54:39] <Unit193> Thanks for saying the conclusion, I can't say I have used chromium any time recently.
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1323 [11:23:50] <ksk> I run Discord on buster btw, it does work. Also the Mic does work in Firefox.
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1351 [11:33:34] <epitamizer> wtf my network isnt configuring or working after setting static settings in /etc/network/interfaces or /etc/systemd/network
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1355 [11:34:26] <jm_> make sure it's marked auto for the former
1356 [11:35:20] <epitamizer> the thing is, the ipv6 gets configured, but since my ISP still uses ipv4 the ipv4 settings are not being set even thoght the ipv6 interface is up
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1362 [11:37:10] <jm_> enabling verbose mode and then checking journalctl shall help figure out what is going on (again, for ifupdown method)
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1387 [11:46:03] <epitamizer> ugggh now its taking 6 seconds for the network to come up
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1390 [11:46:25] <epitamizer> every otther service is under 1s
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1394 [11:46:55] <epitamizer> but it is working now
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1498 [12:33:51] <TheWizard> hi
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1500 [12:34:24] <TheWizard> is there a way to make a wifi direct mouse working on debian buster? The mouse is the hp LQ083AA
1501 [12:34:27] <TheWizard> Thanks
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1508 [12:36:47] <epitamizer> did you install bluetooth packages?
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1529 [12:43:24] <z4kst4r> When I try to install a package on a pc with no internet access I end up with the message for unmet dependencies and a failed install. Is there a way to check unmet dependencies without installing the package?
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1536 [12:45:08] <nkuttler> !tell z4kst4r about apt-offline
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1538 [12:45:21] <nkuttler> z4kst4r: you probably want that instead
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1540 [12:46:17] <TheWizard> epitamizer: no it is a WIFI direct device
1541 [12:46:26] <mindlessmisss> this PC has a internet connection over ethernet port, interface "ens33" . sometimes I connect my android phone with USB tethering, Interface "usb0". If I try to use "Network Manager Applet" icon in xfce panel, and disconnect the ethernet connection, it automatically reconnects immediately. How man I stop it from reconnecting automatically. I want it to use the phone's data
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1559 [12:53:35] <epitamizer> TheWizard, i assume it connects like any othe wireless lan card then
1560 [12:53:51] <TheWizard> epitamizer: ...
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1562 [12:53:59] <TheWizard> epitamizer: it is a mouse
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1564 [12:54:20] <epitamizer> have you never set up a wireless connection before?
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1568 [12:55:50] <epitamizer> there is wpa supplicant and wpa_cli to connect to wireless points
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1575 [12:57:09] <jim> TheWizard, wired mouse? wireless mouse?
1576 [12:57:42] <epitamizer> he said wifi direct
1577 [12:58:31] <TheWizard> it is a wifi direct device
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1579 [12:58:50] <epitamizer> have you tried this replaced-url
1580 [12:58:53] <jim> ok, so possibly such a mouse (err, its controller) uses a wireless chipset, and possibly would actually get an IP address
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1583 [12:59:28] <TheWizard> epitamizer: yes, the ozmo module does not exist anymore
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1585 [13:00:25] <TheWizard> the problem that the mouse connects via the wifi p2p interface, but it doesn't find the mpuse driver
1586 [13:00:27] <TheWizard> mouse
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1588 [13:00:48] <jim> up to that point, it may involve the same things any wireless chipset does... beyond, it's probably a specialized and -additional- driver specifically for the mouse, and that driver talks to the wireless
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1590 [13:01:04] <mindlessmisss> what wait huh
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1594 [13:01:41] <jim> orzo driver?
1595 [13:01:47] <TheWizard> jim: yes, it needs a mouse driver for wifi direct
1596 [13:01:48] <mindlessmisss> mices have wifi connections with IP addresses nowadays?
1597 [13:01:51] <TheWizard> jim: ozmo
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1599 [13:02:22] <TheWizard> mindlessmisss: no
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1601 [13:02:35] <mindlessmisss> or liek, just wireless RF mice
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1603 [13:02:48] <mindlessmisss> or like bluetooth
1604 [13:03:00] <TheWizard> mindlessmisss: no, wifi direct
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1606 [13:03:18] <epitamizer> TheWizard, do you have xserver-xorg-input-evdev installed?
1607 [13:03:24] <TheWizard> mindlessmisss: it is a wifi p2p connection
1608 [13:03:35] <mindlessmisss> wifi direct have ips
1609 [13:03:52] <TheWizard> mindlessmisss: hw mac actually
1610 [13:04:21] <jim> TheWizard, which mouse is it exactly?
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1612 [13:04:39] <TheWizard> jim: hp, LQ083AA
1613 [13:04:50] <TheWizard> epitamizer: installed now
1614 [13:04:55] <mindlessmisss> oh yeah ok i see now
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1616 [13:05:33] <epitamizer> TheWizard, you might need to relaunch xorg to use driver
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1619 [13:06:12] <TheWizard> epitamizer: mmmmh, I do not think it could work, wait
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1625 [13:06:57] <mindlessmisss> why does a mouse need a wifi direct connection unless it's trying to organize an actual IP for itself or something
1626 [13:07:25] <epitamizer> it connects to socket just like any other interface
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1634 [13:12:31] <prologic> What would cause override_dh_installsystemd: target not to get called? I'm seeing no evidence its getting called.
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1650 [13:20:23] <TheWizard> mindlessmiss: who actually knows that it is a mouse?
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1657 [13:23:07] <mindlessmiss> ? huh sorry what was that TheWizard ?
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1662 [13:24:41] <TheWizard> mindlessmiss: you asked why the mouse ask for an ip address?? Actually not
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1671 [13:27:17] <mindlessmiss> ya that was last month
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1673 [13:27:41] <mindlessmiss> old news now
1674 [13:27:45] <mindlessmiss> 8-}
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1707 [13:41:09] <OS-68874> /msg NickServ REGISTER
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1762 [14:01:56] <epitamizer> trying to utilize networkd service, but the ip isn't being applied . this article isnt help either replaced-url
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1782 [14:09:26] <spidy> hey
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1799 [14:16:06] <archlinuxgiganoo> I have paired an apple bluetooth keyboard but it's just saying connected yes connected no over and over
1800 [14:16:10] <archlinuxgiganoo> Has anyone experienced this before?
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1803 [14:16:44] <Skyfly> Uh, php-ssh2 is bugged
1804 [14:16:58] <Skyfly> Gives me a segfault under Armbian (debian arm repos)
1805 [14:17:12] <Skyfly> #0 0xb34e0912 in libssh2_sftp_shutdown () from /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libssh2.so.1
1806 [14:17:13] <Skyfly> #1 0x16322a00 in ?? ()
1807 [14:17:13] <Skyfly> Backtrace stopped: previous frame identical to this frame (corrupt stack?)
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1810 [14:17:30] <Skyfly> People in ##php said to blame the maintainers
1811 [14:18:09] <Skyfly> I thought the Debian is stale saying was a joke. I use Debian on my main PC. I experience this daily.
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1813 [14:18:41] <Skyfly> Are the maintainers on the beach mashing in commands to compile every 24 months?
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1832 [14:24:10] <epitamizer> trying to utilize networkd service, but the ip isn't being applied . this article isnt help either replaced-url
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1834 [14:24:21] <Skyfly> FIX PHP-SSH
1835 [14:24:24] <Skyfly> ARM is not dead
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1837 [14:24:43] <Skyfly> I thought Debian was good, but it's stale.
1838 [14:24:51] <themill> Skyfly: reproduce with Debian. File useful bugs.
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1841 [14:25:03] <Skyfly> themill: "file bugs" never get read
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1843 [14:25:18] <ndegruchy> Skyfly: You can team+php-pecl@tracker.debian.org
1844 [14:25:37] <abrotman> They read all my bug reports ..
1845 [14:26:09] <ksk> php is a not-so-nice to maintain monster. be nice and talk to the package maintainers if you found a bug (bugreport)
1846 [14:26:18] <noln> What does the "unreleased git snapshot, use with caution" all-caps warning on the php-ssh package page mean?
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1848 [14:26:44] <ksk> noln: a disclaimer by whoever took that snapshot as base for the package I suppose.
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1850 [14:26:58] <ndegruchy> noln: If I were to wager, it means that it's not part of the official PHP release, but just a git commit that seems to compile.
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1852 [14:28:20] <noln> Ah, so does it mean that an "unreleased git snapshot" is bugged pretty much by definition?
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1866 [14:31:48] <ksk> it means that upstream does not support this as a release.
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1868 [14:32:03] <ksk> apart from that, the normal Debian Guidelines/Support apply.
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1870 [14:32:30] <Aryan> hi
1871 [14:32:31] <Aryan> replaced-url
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1875 [14:32:43] <Aryan> how could this error be fixed ?
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1877 [14:33:06] <ksk> Aryan: Sorry, we dont support Ubuntu in here.
1878 [14:33:08] <ksk> !ubuntu
1879 [14:33:09] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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1884 [14:34:00] <Aryan> ok
1885 [14:34:04] <Aryan> np, thanks
1886 [14:34:05] <ksk> noln: from a user standpoint, I can understand you. You might want to take a look around at the various php distributors and leave the debian ecosystem for that package/stack if you so like.
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1888 [14:34:21] <ksk> If Debian does not fit your needs for PHP.
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1956 [15:12:02] <epitamizer> alright,alright, alright i found out what was sapping mah intarnats
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1963 [15:14:34] <knob> Hello everyone o/
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1980 [15:24:09] <knob> I installed Debian10 + xfce on a Dell laptop. The wifi is working correctly, yet I can't get the ethernet to receive an ip address.
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1982 [15:24:18] <knob> What could I check to start trouble shooting?
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1985 [15:25:02] <Hello71> did you check journalctl
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1987 [15:25:10] <Hello71> also have you ensured that the cable is plugged in
1988 [15:25:31] <Hello71> in my experience it doesn't work as good if the cable is not plugged in
1989 [15:25:37] <knob> The name is enp1s0. If I set #ip link set enp1s0 up the link shows ... mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state DOWN group default qlen 1000
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1991 [15:25:56] <Hello71> yes that tells you it's not working
1992 [15:26:13] <knob> Hello71, I'm going to check journalctl now. The cable I have confirmed works throwing out DHCP using another laptop.
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2016 [15:40:15] <knob> MAC state machine can't be idle since disabled for 10ms second ..... still searching for this one.
2017 [15:40:36] <knob> It was *can't. I mis-typed *can
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2023 [15:49:23] <knob> Could reinstalling the network card drivers help in this situation?
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2025 [15:50:05] <viktor1> hey
2026 [15:51:20] <epitamizer> the results are in..debian(547ms)
2027 [15:51:30] <epitamizer> zoom zoom!
2028 [15:51:54] <Hello71> knob: you can't, and no.
2029 [15:52:00] <Hello71> !paste
2030 [15:52:00] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
2031 [15:52:19] <Hello71> paste journalctl -b
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2037 [15:55:11] <knob> hmm... if I try #paste journalctl -b it tells me that -b is an invalid option
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2040 [15:57:08] <annadane> just journalctl -b
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2042 [15:57:21] <annadane> not "paste". paste the output of journalctl -b to paste.debian.net
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2046 [15:57:58] <bn_work> hi, debian 9 (stretch), coming over from the CentOS7/Ubuntu world, running into terminal emulation issues with "xterm" and it not recognizing backspace or up/down (don't have this issue with other non-debian boxes I'm SSH-ed to) nor setting the prompt, for a new user whose .files were init-ed from /etc/skel, what gives?
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2049 [15:58:54] <knob> annadane, ah... sorry about that. Is there a way I can get the entire output? It's 1400 lines and copying them screen-by-screen is going to take quite a while.
2050 [15:59:46] <ratrace> knob: --no-pager | nc termbin.com 9999
2051 [15:59:55] <ratrace> knob: journalctl -b --no-pager ....
2052 [16:00:21] <knob> Ok. paste.debian.net/1136170
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2054 [16:00:34] <knob> Thanks for the patience everyone.
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2059 [16:02:08] <Hello71> did you change /etc/network/interfaces?
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2062 [16:02:42] <knob> No Sir.
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2064 [16:02:53] <knob> At the moment, inside /etc/network/ineterfaces I have...
2065 [16:03:11] <knob> source /etc/network/insterfaces.d/* and below auto lo and iface inet loopback
2066 [16:03:21] <knob> I can see now it's missing the DHCP for enp1s0
2067 [16:03:31] <knob> I'm going to check if there is something inside interfaces.d/
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2070 [16:04:18] <knob> Inside interfaces.d/ I have a single file called 'setup'.
2071 [16:04:30] <knob> That file insdie has auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp
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2073 [16:05:00] <knob> Not sure where to go from here. Should I remove the file and add the DHCP lines into the maine /etc/network/interfaces file?
2074 [16:05:12] <knob> Or should I correct this interfaces.d/setup file?
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2076 [16:06:17] <bn_work> if I SSH in with root it's ok, so is it some issue with the statements from the skel .files?
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2079 [16:08:36] <Hello71> knob: no, if you use networkmanager then don't touch /etc/network/interfaces
2080 [16:08:48] <Hello71> well, at least not now
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2082 [16:08:58] <Hello71> did your ethernet work in the installer?
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2085 [16:09:16] <knob> Hello71, no. I was able to bring up the wifi (using the firmware in a USB stick).
2086 [16:09:28] <bn_work> I'm looking at root's .files and they're all commented out, so basically nothing is being inited there
2087 [16:09:34] <knob> Did not do the install with ethernet... did it all with wifi.
2088 [16:09:47] <bn_work> is /etc/skel/* not compatible with Debian 9?
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2091 [16:11:04] <Hello71> knob: I think maybe your ethernet port or ethernet card is broken
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2094 [16:11:46] <Hello71> try lspci -k
2095 [16:12:00] <knob> I thought that might also be an issue. Yet when I installed this laptop, I was having problems. So I gave Xubuntu (live) a check, and it was able to connect via wifi and ethernet
2096 [16:12:05] <knob> Trying that...
2097 [16:12:16] <Hello71> also you can try unplugging and replugging the cable
2098 [16:12:18] <Hello71> then check dmesg
2099 [16:12:41] <Hello71> if there are no messages then the problem is not your configuration
2100 [16:12:47] <Hello71> uh... no *new* messages
2101 [16:13:02] <Hello71> it should say something like "eth0: link down" "eth0: link up"
2102 [16:13:48] <knob> No new messages. Yet...
2103 [16:14:14] <knob> The /etc/network/interfaces says eth0 yet #ip a calls it enp1s0
2104 [16:14:55] <Hello71> that's fine
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2107 [16:15:39] <bn_work> oh, figured it out, this new user is defaulting to sh vs bash
2108 [16:15:41] <Hello71> if there are absolutely no new messages in dmesg when plugging/unplugging then you either have kernel problems, hardware problems, or other-end problems
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2110 [16:15:57] <Hello71> bn_work: by backspace do you mean DEL?
2111 [16:16:37] <knob> Hello71, yeah. No new messages in dmesg when I plug cable out/in. =\
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2113 [16:16:57] <knob> I'm going to try a Live distro... to see what I come up with. will update shortly.
2114 [16:17:06] <knob> Thank you for the help so far.
2115 [16:17:09] <Hello71> what is your ethernet driver?
2116 [16:17:12] <Hello71> from lspci -k
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2119 [16:18:15] <knob> Qualcom Atheros AR8151 v2.0 Gigabit Ethernet (rev c0).....
2120 [16:18:33] <knob> Kernel driver in use: atl1c Kernel modules: atl1c
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2122 [16:19:38] <knob> Yeah I just re-confirmed. No new messages in dmesg when I plug the cable in/out/in.
2123 [16:19:41] <Hello71> oh. maybe it is fixed in a newer kernel then
2124 [16:20:05] <Hello71> you can try installing newer kernel from backports
2125 [16:20:12] <knob> This issue? I *thought* I downloaded the latest Debian10 version.
2126 [16:20:59] <Hello71> debian stable is already old :P
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2130 [16:21:17] <Hello71> that's the main draw of debian
2131 [16:21:20] <Hello71> everything is old
2132 [16:21:33] <knob> Ahh
2133 [16:21:49] <knob> Well, lets try a newer kernel. Never done it, so it'll be fun.
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2136 [16:22:02] <Hello71> the theory is that some people had their ethernet working, and then they upgrade kernel and then it's broken
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2138 [16:22:16] <Hello71> but obviously you increase the chances of the reverse
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2141 [16:23:29] <knob> Yeah. I'm reading up now this page: replaced-url
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2144 [16:26:17] <knob> If I search apt-cache search linux-image I see the highes is 4.19.0-8 Yet if I run on the laptop uname -a I get 4.19.0-8-amd64
2145 [16:26:24] <knob> Does that mean I'm already running the latest?
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2147 [16:26:28] <knob> I'm confused on this.
2148 [16:26:56] <AndreasLutro> that article doesn't really cover what you want to do
2149 [16:27:22] <AndreasLutro> knob: this SO answer seems accurate enough replaced-url
2150 [16:27:41] <knob> Thanks AndreasLutro ... check that out now.
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2153 [16:29:32] <lilineko> How often does Debian need things updated? via apt-get or such. I'm not really familiar with the model it follows ("I use Arch btw"), and couldn't find any clear answer or info online, other than "updates with major changes every few years", which would be the versioned release with I'm assuming kernel upgrades and all that.
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2157 [16:30:24] <lilineko> I'm looking to install on a family member's laptop who ignored the "Updates available" notification for two and a half years, and will likely do it again
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2160 [16:33:27] <Hello71> enable unattended-upgrades
2161 [16:33:36] <Hello71> then about once every few years
2162 [16:33:36] <ndegruchy> lilineko: about once or twice a month, but yeah, enable unattended-upgrades
2163 [16:33:49] <Hello71> one of the few things that debian is actually good for
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2165 [16:34:08] <annadane> wow really? one of the few things? ok...
2166 [16:34:29] <msn> one of the many things
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2168 [16:34:42] <dvs> lilineko, after two and a half years, they are probably one major version behind.
2169 [16:34:45] <Hello71> long release cycles = no new features, no new programs, no new hardware support...
2170 [16:34:54] <Hello71> but if you literally want nothing to change, then it's great
2171 [16:34:55] <annadane> misc. security updates, depends how much you have installed, i guess there's like 3-4 security advisories a month, there's point releases about once per 2-2.5 months, and then full upgrades to the next version every 2 years
2172 [16:35:20] <annadane> you can get new features of the stuff you specifically download yourself, and for many people the programs in Stable do whatever they need it to
2173 [16:35:24] <ndegruchy> Yeah, just add a calendar appointment for a dist-upgrade
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2176 [16:35:46] <annadane> also, backports do exist
2177 [16:36:10] <msn> 2.5 yrs just dist-upgrade
2178 [16:36:11] <annadane> not everyone wants all new stuff all the time which can lead to breakage or changing configuration file formats
2179 [16:36:30] <ndegruchy> For me, I was afraid that stable wasn't going to be up-to-date enough, coming from Arch, but everything is pretty contemporary, not bleeding edge, but not KDE4 or whatever
2180 [16:36:56] <annadane> a lot of software is really easy to just download/compile yourself...
2181 [16:37:01] <msn> I use debain-testing for everything works fine maybe once in 2 yrs something breaks
2182 [16:37:31] <lilineko> unattended-upgrades does seem useful in their case. I'll look into it, thanks.
2183 [16:38:07] <msn> ndegruchy: if you come from a rolling distro arch/gentoo I think testing is more suited to your needs
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2188 [16:38:53] <msn> CMOT got any "sausage inna bun?"
2189 [16:39:01] <annadane> i love having the ability to be lazy and not spend time updating things except for the things i specifically choose
2190 [16:39:21] <annadane> vim/emacs has been developed for 30-40+ years, there's very little new that i want for certain programs
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2192 [16:39:45] <annadane> or yes if you really want use testing/sid, just be aware of the risks you take
2193 [16:39:46] <msn> the only time I use stable is when deploying for cloud/bare-metal servers
2194 [16:40:12] <msn> old hardware all drivers stable and stable is what's needed
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2198 [16:41:07] <yuri0x0> Hi
2199 [16:41:39] <yuri0x0> Guys I'm having trouble using the external microphone, I'm using debian 9
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2201 [16:42:10] <annadane> okay, what's the issue?
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2205 [16:43:36] <yuri0x0> I have the pavucontrol program installed, it even recognizes the microphone plugin, however in the recordings I make, it always records the internal audio
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2207 [16:44:09] <msn> you can change the recording source of the program you are using
2208 [16:44:33] <msn> once you start your recording application start pavucontrol and check the "input" tab
2209 [16:44:39] <msn> you can change the source
2210 [16:44:57] <nt80> is there anything I can do regarding debian's kernel to harden its security?
2211 [16:45:14] <yuri0x0> I tried to do this, but it won't, I'm using the standard recorder, sorry for the ignorance, I'm really noob in linux
2212 [16:45:24] <msn> nt80: you can use apparmor
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2214 [16:45:52] <msn> yuastnav: do you have multiple inputs?
2215 [16:45:56] <yuri0x0> I already checked the input, the microphone is marked
2216 [16:46:13] <msn> can you tell me what devices are you using?
2217 [16:46:14] <ansimita> nt80: replaced-url
2218 [16:46:30] <yuri0x0> You can send a link here?
2219 [16:46:36] <nt80> thank you
2220 [16:46:56] <msn> is it a USB sound card?
2221 [16:47:15] <yuri0x0> Not
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2225 [16:48:13] <msn> you should check the last tab with all the sound devices, and select the correct one, sometimes the soundcard would be configured without micin/input
2226 [16:48:14] <ansimita> nt80: actually this link is more relevant replaced-url
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2228 [16:48:32] <yuri0x0> replaced-url
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2232 [16:49:06] <yuri0x0> replaced-url
2233 [16:49:13] <msn> yuastnav: you card is "duplex analog stereo" which means it has no input
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2235 [16:49:46] <yuri0x0> What do you mean it has no entry?
2236 [16:49:54] <msn> change it to duplex analog stereo + input
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2242 [16:52:50] <yuri0x0> A moment
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2245 [16:53:55] <yuri0x0> Now the options are no longer appearing, even killing the pulseaudio process and initializing again
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2251 [16:55:44] <yuri0x0> Is there any way to leave the default configuration?
2252 [16:56:09] <msn> you can rever the config to what it was
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2257 [16:57:26] <yuri0x0> There is no option in pavucontrol, I think there is a bug in alsa, I had seen a website that talked about it
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2342 [17:40:06] <MrTrick> Anyone familiar with logrotate? I have maybe a thousand new files each day named like `2020-03-23_blahblahblah.log`, in 2-3 folders. I want to keep the last N days. Is this a good fit for the tool? Is there something else you'd recommend?
2343 [17:41:21] <vandman> replaced-url
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2345 [17:41:56] <Hello71> no, logrotate doesn't do that
2346 [17:42:00] <GNU\colossus> logrotate is crap. I'd centralize all logging through rsyslog, make _that_ responsible for rotating output in per-day files, and use `find` in a cronjob or systemd timer to delete/archive old logs.
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2354 [17:47:40] <toruvinn> MrTrick, uh, that doesnt sound too obvious to me, but im hardly a logrotate expert. however, if it really isnt easy using it, a stupid thing like find /p/a/t/h -type f -ctime +N -delete perhaps could solve it?
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2356 [17:47:53] <lupulo> GNU\colossus, you want a flume with avro for the logs¿
2357 [17:48:29] <toruvinn> yeah just buy a splunk license and use it
2358 [17:48:31] <toruvinn> we corpo nao.
2359 [17:48:32] <toruvinn> ;-p
2360 [17:48:35] <MrTrick> toruvinn: hmm that's almost there. I suppose if there's a problem and a file isn't generated for a few days, we don't want to close the window and remove them all.
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2363 [17:49:01] <MrTrick> GNU\colossus: they're not just log files unfortunately.
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2366 [17:49:12] <bubblefoo> why is debian 10 booting so much faster than ubuntu?
2367 [17:49:13] <toruvinn> MrTrick, oh so you want to always keep N files, not necessarily for N days. gotcha.
2368 [17:49:18] <MrTrick> yeah
2369 [17:49:33] <toruvinn> or actually it's "for N days", just the other meaning, I guess.
2370 [17:49:34] <toruvinn> huh.
2371 [17:49:46] <lupulo> GNU\colossus, replaced-url
2372 [17:49:54] <MrTrick> I suppose one could `find .... | tail -n -$N | xargs rm` or something. :thinking:
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2376 [17:50:31] <Hello71> tail -n +
2377 [17:50:40] <MrTrick> one of those, yes. :-)
2378 [17:50:45] <Hello71> if you want to do it based on the number of files then yes, that would be the way
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2380 [17:51:05] <MrTrick> It'll probably end up being a python script.
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2382 [17:51:37] <toruvinn> MrTrick, yeah it may not be /that/ easy. considering you may have variable number of blahblahblah-s. ;-) I think I'd script it after all. Sorry, no solution I can come up with on the spot using logrotate or other tools. :-/
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2384 [17:52:19] <Hello71> either you do it based on creation/modification time, or you do it based on number of files
2385 [17:52:29] <toruvinn> MrTrick, you probably just want to list all the existing YYYY-MM-DD_ (ignore whatever's after) and remove everything but those that sort as the "latest" N.
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2390 [17:53:45] <Surfer2011> hello, my system ssd (22G) is full and ran out of space, reason is some docker overlay2 which is 22G in size according to df -h, who can help me?
2391 [17:54:02] <Surfer2011> replaced-url
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2393 [17:55:01] <Hello71> oh, right, find | tail is a bad idea
2394 [17:55:06] <Hello71> you want find | sort | tail
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2401 [17:57:35] <lupulo> Surfer2011, use a quota
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2403 [17:57:42] <toruvinn> Hello71, unless you find | extract just the date (using sed or awk or whatever), that sounds like something that requires a constant number of "blahblahblah"s.
2404 [17:57:50] <Surfer2011> what do u mean
2405 [17:57:53] <lupulo> Surfer2011, man limits.conf
2406 [17:58:08] <Surfer2011> for docker?
2407 [17:58:36] <Hello71> toruvinn: they said the date was at the beginning
2408 [17:58:39] <Hello71> so just run sort
2409 [17:58:44] <lupulo> Surfer2011, replaced-url
2410 [17:58:58] <Hello71> oh, it wasn't clear
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2412 [17:59:45] <Hello71> part of the problem is that it's underspecified :P
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2417 [18:01:21] <Surfer2011> lupulo: ok but how do i fix the current system? why are all volumes the same size of 22G which is the System ssd size and as you can see herereplaced-url
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2427 [18:03:02] <msn> Surfer2011: you can try pruning things
2428 [18:03:11] <msn> docker image prune
2429 [18:03:18] <msn> docker container prune
2430 [18:03:39] <Surfer2011> did that
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2432 [18:05:18] <epitamizer> what is the file that holds the kernel config settings?
2433 [18:05:47] <Surfer2011> ?
2434 [18:05:54] <Surfer2011> wasn't for me?
2435 [18:06:05] <epitamizer> nm config file under /boot
2436 [18:06:25] <lupulo> Surfer2011, but that is problem of docker not debian
2437 [18:06:48] <lupulo> Surfer2011, replaced-url
2438 [18:06:59] <lupulo> i don't know ansible, you mean
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2441 [18:08:34] <msn> Surfer2011: you could try restarting your containers if they are not doing anything prodution
2442 [18:08:44] <acidtripper> Hi NSA guys!
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2444 [18:08:57] <Surfer2011> tried that allready as well as restarting system
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2446 [18:09:15] <msn> hmmm and did you check which images are using that space?
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2448 [18:09:56] <Surfer2011> replaced-url
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2450 [18:11:10] <msn> Surfer2011: you are looking at the wrong place for the solution
2451 [18:11:19] <msn> SSD is full yes but its also your /
2452 [18:11:32] <msn> which means it could be a log file or some other file filling the space
2453 [18:11:44] <msn> docker overlay is just reporting that /var/lib/docker is full
2454 [18:11:54] <msn> which ofcourse is the case since your root is full
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2457 [18:13:49] <Surfer2011> ok
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2478 [18:23:03] <lupulo> Surfer2011, but who has created that docker?
2479 [18:23:20] <Surfer2011> what docker?
2480 [18:23:27] <lupulo> Surfer2011, you could perfectly /join #docker and ask
2481 [18:23:45] <lupulo> Surfer2011, the 22G docker
2482 [18:24:06] <lupulo> Surfer2011, the leviathan docker that
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2489 [18:26:03] <Surfer2011> found the problem
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2498 [18:29:56] <Surfer2011> i have a folder which SHOULD have been a mounted external hdd but seems to be not
2499 [18:30:02] <Surfer2011> where i copied 16G to
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2530 [18:46:19] <cozziak> Hi, I just installed debian-xfce from the netinst.iso, and suspending is already broken with the message "Authentication is required for suspending the system"
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2532 [18:47:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> Uh. I have a debian 7.11 on a machine I haven't switched on for several years but now will take into use again… of course there are no backups and stuff… this all took me a bit by surprise suddenly having to do home-office. Also guess if I reinstall it will be a bit of a rube-goldberg install
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2534 [18:47:59] <CutMeOwnThroat> so I guess I go 7->8->9->10 … and hope for the best D:
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2537 [18:49:58] <CutMeOwnThroat> there was a matching external disk… guess I could fetch that from work
2538 [18:50:37] <Hello71> back up first
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2541 [18:51:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> it may actually _be_ the backup from back then… but it's all at least 3 years ago, probably more
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2543 [18:52:43] <CutMeOwnThroat> doing 3 upgrades in a row will suuuuuuuuuuuuck
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2545 [18:53:01] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, release history
2546 [18:53:01] <dpkg> Named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17), Buster (10; 2019-07-06). Next: Bullseye. replaced-url
2547 [18:53:18] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, wheezy->jessie
2548 [18:53:18] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
2549 [18:54:00] <CutMeOwnThroat> Is that still valid?
2550 [18:54:25] <CutMeOwnThroat> Maybe if I deinstall most stuff and just upgrade more of a core system
2551 [18:54:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> mmh. dunno.
2552 [18:54:49] <CutMeOwnThroat> Also network is wireless, that will surely make it simpler
2553 [18:56:24] <lwp> cozziak: that sounds more like a policy-kit problem. try adding your user to groups sudo and adm
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2555 [18:57:47] <lwp> cozziak: then just enter that user's password when the dialog appears
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2558 [18:58:34] <msn> CutMeOwnThroat: you can skip a version everytime
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2560 [18:58:44] <msn> CutMeOwnThroat: 7->9->10
2561 [18:58:53] <msn> or 7->8->10
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2563 [18:59:28] <msn> or i think if your laptop is that old you might as well do a fresh network install using same paritions and not formatting home
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2575 [19:03:49] <cozziak> lwp: my user is in the sudo group as during install I didn't add a root password, and I have entered my password each time the prompt has come up. Seems like a bug in the installer?
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2577 [19:04:20] <lwp> cozziak: does the suspend work OK after you enter your password ?
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2583 [19:05:36] <cozziak> lwp: Only suspends when I close my laptop lid, even though it is set to only blank the screen when plugged into power supply
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2586 [19:06:09] <lwp> cozziak: then try my suggestion of adding that user to the group "adm"
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2589 [19:07:24] <lwp> cozziak: and probably you will need to logout/login for that change to take efferct
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2594 [19:11:46] <cozziak> lwp: Just ran "sudo usermod -a -G adm cozziak"and will test now, thank you
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2602 [19:15:49] <panzergame> Hello everyone, I installed debian inside (root and home) an existing LUKS, but i'm having trouble booting : at startup it prints that it could not find group "vg1" and after open a busybox shell where i can execute cryptsetup and vgchange -ay properly. When exiting this shell the boot sequence continues without any issue. My question is : how can i tell initramfs to automatically try to decrypt the root partition and ask me a password ?
2603 [19:15:50] <panzergame> Thanks a lot in advance :)
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2606 [19:17:20] <tds> panzergame: do you have an entry for it in /etc/crypttab?
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2610 [19:18:48] <panzergame> tds: I tried putting an entry in this file, but crypttab was executed after i entered the busybox shell, (i regenerate initramfs after editing this script too)
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2615 [19:20:53] <tds> panzergame: and you have cryptsetup-initramfs installed?
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2618 [19:23:03] <panzergame> yes
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2620 [19:24:15] <panzergame> tds: if it could help: my grub cmd line is : vmlinuz-5.4.0.4-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/vg1-root ro quiet
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2631 [19:28:00] <pasiz> panzergame: do you have "CRYPTSETUP=y" on /etc/environment
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2633 [19:28:21] <pasiz> or echo 'export CRYPTSETUP=y' > /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/cryptsetup
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2637 [19:30:21] <pasiz> i think latter is nowadays deprecated, there is /etc/cryptsetup-initramfs/conf-hook
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2639 [19:30:38] <pasiz> yes, deprecated in stretch
2640 [19:30:51] <pasiz> so use the conf-hook
2641 [19:31:30] <panzergame> pasiz: So in /etc/initramfs-tools/hooks ?
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2645 [19:33:28] <panzergame> pasiz: This i think : echo 'CRYPTSETUP=y' >> /etc/cryptsetup-initramfs/conf-hook
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2649 [19:33:59] <rowbee> i see that debian usually fetches .pdiff files for big files during an `apt update` to reduce bandwidth usage, however sometimes it decides to redownload files like Packages or Contents completely. how does apt determine when to re-fetch those files?
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2652 [19:37:19] <somiaj> replaced-url
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2654 [19:37:57] <somiaj> There is a way to disable .pdiffs completely, but I'm unsure on the logic apt uses to decide if to use them or just redownload the whole package list.
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2658 [19:39:35] <rowbee> i'd prefer pdiffs to be used at all times, even though they're kinda taxing on this old intel celeron ^^; thanks somiaj for the explanation
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2663 [19:41:33] <rowbee> it does check against the hash in the release file after patching the files, correct?
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2665 [19:42:19] <somiaj> I don't know the details that well, I wonder if some more specific channel on irc.oftc.net could help.
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2669 [19:43:00] <somiaj> rowbee: maybe someone in #debian-apt on irc.oftc.net will know the actual details of what apt is doing better.
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2673 [19:43:48] <rowbee> thanks, i'll look into going on there.
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2682 [19:46:35] <jelly> rowbee, IIRC there's only a limited number of days of change history in pdiffs on official mirrors. If you don't update often and some diffs from your system's cached files to current state on the mirror are missing, apt can't do anything but get the whole file again
2683 [19:46:55] <jelly> there might be other reasons.
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2686 [19:47:43] <Surfer2011> hello thanks for your help before ...
2687 [19:47:48] <rowbee> jelly: yeah that's a good reason, i don't tend to update too often yeah
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2689 [19:48:23] <panzergame> pasiz: Thanks a lot :) with this variable it worked
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2691 [19:48:26] <Surfer2011> how can i find all "outmated" processes? is there only one "cronjob" or are there many for different users
2692 [19:48:30] <rowbee> i should probably dump this unstable installation that i stupidly did a while ago and return to buster with backports ;_;
2693 [19:48:45] <pasiz> panzergame: glad to hear
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2703 [19:51:30] <pasiz> rowbee: is pdiff your problem?
2704 [19:51:50] <rowbee> it's not a problem, i was simply wondering.
2705 [19:52:39] <Cozziak> lwp: "sudo usermod -a -G adm cozziak"didn't work unfortuantly. Had to wait 15 minutes to test the suspend each time, and entered my password in the prompt after the first attempt.
2706 [19:52:58] <pasiz> i run unstable in almost all my laptops, without big problems
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2709 [19:53:44] <pasiz> but yes, packages are updated quite frequently, so if you are in dialup or something, that might be a problem
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2712 [19:54:45] <rowbee> hah, upgrading 1.1k packages right now.
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2714 [19:55:05] <rowbee> probably wouldn't be a problem if i wasn't using an entry level samsung laptop from 2012 ;_;
2715 [19:55:37] <pasiz> that cannot be fixed in os level
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2728 [20:01:32] <lwp> Cozziak: sorry -- that's the only trick I know for policykit problems.
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2736 [20:02:34] <lwp> Cozziak: sorry -- that's the only trick I know for policykit problems.
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2740 [20:04:11] <Cozziak> lwp: Thanks for trying to help. Sad that suspend "out-the-box" on xfce is broken on debian stable
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2794 [20:35:31] <Surfer2011> how can i find all "outmated" processes? is there only one "cronjob" or are there many for different users
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2796 [20:36:20] <ndegruchy> Surfer2011: automated processes would either be in a cron file, or as a systemd timer
2797 [20:36:39] <ndegruchy> Surfer2011: A user might also have their own cronfile, depends on how it's setup
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2804 [20:39:14] <ndegruchy> Surfer2011: You could list each of the cron directories by: ls -alh /etc/cron.*
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2807 [20:39:57] <ndegruchy> Surfer2011: And you can find out what timers are running by: systemctl list-units *.timer
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2812 [20:44:14] <n_1-c_k> Cozziak, maybe add to sudoers such that you can run 'sudo pm-suspend' with no password. Something like "nick ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/pm-suspend".
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2818 [20:48:12] <Cozziak> n_1-c_k: in /etc/sudoers ?
2819 [20:49:03] <n_1-c_k> right
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2826 [20:51:17] <Cozziak> n_1-c_k: So i don't seem to have "/usr/sbin/pm-suspend" on my system
2827 [20:51:46] <CutMeOwnThroat> msn, uuuh, I thought skipping versions is a really bad idea… because that's not a really tested upgrade path
2828 [20:52:02] <n_1-c_k> Cozziak: hmmm...
2829 [20:52:42] <n_1-c_k> package is 'pm-utils' if you want to try it
2830 [20:54:25] <somiaj> I think the suggested way is to use systemd, so 'systemctl suspend'
2831 [20:54:29] <sney> CutMeOwnThroat: it can work occasionally on very minimal systems but it's recommended to upgrade through every version. (or backup /home and important stuff and reinstall, which may be faster and cause fewer headaches)
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2836 [20:58:22] <AndreasLutro> Cozziak: if you type `systemctl suspend` in a terminal what happens?
2837 [20:58:48] <CutMeOwnThroat> sney, mmh. dunno if I can do that. I hadn't thought to revive that old desktop the last 3ish years… and suddenly I am at home and my laptop isn't good enough for working. I don't need any power, but the two monitors… yass. I could leave it as it is, though.
2838 [20:58:49] <Cozziak> The "systemctl suspend" command worked, but maybe not entering a root password during install and selecting xfce just broke too many things that I don't want to go through as this is literally a clean install. I'm going to reinstall
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2840 [20:59:29] <AndreasLutro> very weird. xfce should be using the same way to suspend
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2842 [20:59:42] <AndreasLutro> definitely shouldn't need sudo/root password stuff
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2844 [20:59:48] <CutMeOwnThroat> don't think I even have an USB stick… I left even my own at work which closed down
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2848 [21:01:47] <Cozziak> AndreasLutro: Yeah, not sure how to raise a bug report, but to recreate: debian stable netinst > no root password > select xfce > broken suspend
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2888 [21:30:34] <|subz3r0|> hi
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2890 [21:31:06] <|subz3r0|> ive installed dropbear to load with initramfs. its working now, besides that it wont accept my pub key. i created the rsa key with another linux machine
2891 [21:31:44] <|subz3r0|> Permission denied (publickey).
2892 [21:31:46] <|subz3r0|> any ideas?
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2894 [21:32:09] <karlpinc> Check out the readme.debian, for either cryptsetup or dropbear, I forget.
2895 [21:32:12] <karlpinc> !readme.debian
2896 [21:32:12] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
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2898 [21:32:56] <karlpinc> |subz3r0|: I'd also recommend not using an RSA key, use something newer like ecdsa or better.
2899 [21:33:47] <|subz3r0|> karlpinc: usually i would use ed25519 but this is not supported
2900 [21:33:58] <|subz3r0|> reading the docu does not help. ive already done that
2901 [21:34:13] <|subz3r0|> usually i follow the principle RTFM first. but now im stuck
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2908 [21:38:21] <AndreasLutro> |subz3r0|: how did you add your pubkey in dropbear?
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2914 [21:41:26] <|subz3r0|> AndreasLutro: in /etc/dropbear-initramfs/authorized_keys i added: no-port-forwarding,no-agent-forwarding,no-x11-forwarding,command="/bin/cryptroot-unlock" ssh-rsa ...
2915 [21:41:45] <|subz3r0|> then "update-initramfs -k all -u" and reboot the machine
2916 [21:42:31] <AndreasLutro> |subz3r0|: when I did a quick search I found that you're supposed to run /usr/lib/dropbear/dropbearconvert on your pubkey, did you do that?
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2918 [21:42:48] <|subz3r0|> i just added the ssh pubkey without the username@machine at the end.
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2920 [21:43:12] <|subz3r0|> because that was never needed for any other ssh daemon
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2922 [21:43:25] <|subz3r0|> AndreasLutro: there is no dropbearconvert in my debian 10
2923 [21:43:39] <|subz3r0|> also searched it like apt-cache show ... nothing found
2924 [21:44:02] <jelly> |subz3r0|, mine even has the comment in /etc/dropbear-initramfs/authorized_keys, just like any openssh ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
2925 [21:44:14] <jelly> the key is unchanged ssh-rsa
2926 [21:44:31] <jelly> (but I did not bother with restrictions)
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2928 [21:44:59] <|subz3r0|> jelly: how did you generate the key?
2929 [21:45:23] <|subz3r0|> normaly i do -o -a 100 for exmaple for RSA keys. but i also tried to not use the -o -a option at all
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2931 [21:45:46] <jelly> I just used an existing rsa key, generated with ssh-keygen with probably no options at all
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2940 [21:50:13] <|subz3r0|> AndreasLutro: found the convert tool
2941 [21:50:27] <|subz3r0|> Error: File does not begin with OpenSSH key header
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2943 [21:51:07] <AndreasLutro> guess it's meant for private keys, not public keys like the thing I googled says
2944 [21:51:12] <AndreasLutro> red herring, sorry!
2945 [21:51:58] <AndreasLutro> is it possible that dropbear doesn't allow all the options you put before `ssh-rsa`?
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2948 [21:53:17] <|subz3r0|> dunno
2949 [21:53:19] <|subz3r0|> i will check
2950 [21:53:30] <|subz3r0|> but it comes from the man page
2951 [21:53:35] <|subz3r0|> all of the options
2952 [21:54:14] <AndreasLutro> the dropbear man page?
2953 [21:54:47] <luna_> lockdown: replaced-url
2954 [21:55:21] <|subz3r0|> yes. from the documentation
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2974 [22:10:51] <|subz3r0|> i removed all the options. still same problem
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3015 [22:36:27] <thnee> Is it advisable to run an sftp server which accesses an NFS mount? For redundancy purposes?
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3019 [22:37:04] <thnee> I'm sure there may be some quirks with permissions, but I believe I can handle that. But is it a good idea at all to do this?
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3024 [22:39:04] <da_guest> hi in here
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3026 [22:39:42] <da_guest> anyone got strange keyslot errors while cryptsetup sha 256 ?
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3030 [22:46:40] <lwp> !anyone
3031 [22:46:40] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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3034 [22:47:46] <da_guest> @dpkg, ok
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3036 [22:48:05] <da_guest> i wanted to setup luks.
3037 [22:48:17] <da_guest> did that 4 or 5 times already
3038 [22:48:22] <da_guest> but never with this kind of error
3039 [22:49:15] <da_guest> " The algorithm aes-xts-plain64:sha256 cannot be use for keyslot encryption"
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3044 [22:50:18] <da_guest> Additional: Two superblock signatures of type crypto_luks will be deleted by that
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3050 [22:51:10] <da_guest> so most likely thing i assume, is , my partition maybe aligned not properly for dmcrypt. is that possible ?
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3059 [22:57:25] <jhutchins_wk> What release are you working with?
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3075 [23:04:06] <VG234> How do I upgrade python on debian 9 without linking /usr/bin/python. A relink to python3 will break dpkg. How do I avoid that?
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3078 [23:05:53] <annadane> ,v pipenv
3079 [23:05:54] <judd> Package: pipenv on amd64 -- bullseye: 11.9.0-1; buster: 11.9.0-1; sid: 11.9.0-1
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3081 [23:06:17] <annadane> there's other python management tools, i just don't know what they are... tl;dr though: don't upgrade the system version of python
3082 [23:06:56] <annadane> i guess virtualenv in general, i haven't really used it to experiment with python versions though
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3087 [23:08:30] <annadane> ,i anaconda
3088 [23:08:31] <judd> No package named 'anaconda' was found in buster/amd64.
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3092 [23:08:58] <VG234> annadane: I thought of virtualenv first, but I've read updating the pakcage installer itself might break it. And, I think we want an updated installer?
3093 [23:09:03] <annadane> but yeah upgrading the system version will break a bunch of stuff
3094 [23:09:36] <annadane> hmm don't know how to answer your question, sorry
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3096 [23:09:44] <Unit193> anaconda, the Fedora installer?
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3098 [23:10:03] <annadane> anaconda the python manager software thing, i think it's on github
3099 [23:10:19] <Unit193> Oh.
3100 [23:10:22] <annadane> i wonder...
3101 [23:10:28] <annadane> ,checkbackport pipenv --fromrelease sid
3102 [23:10:29] <judd> Backporting package pipenv in sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster.
3103 [23:10:55] <annadane> should be fairly simple to compile yourself regardless
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3105 [23:12:33] <AndreasLutro> VG234: why do you want to upgrade python? if you just want a newer version of python to be available to start projects with, you can compile it yourself, or use pyenv which does it for you
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3107 [23:13:32] <annadane> yeah i don't know why i suggested python management tools rather than "just compile your specific desired version"
3108 [23:13:36] <annadane> listen to andreas ^
3109 [23:14:17] <HelloShitty> hello peeps. I have been having issues with hplip I have tried to install from HP site. Now, I have uninstalled it and to install repository versions and I installedd hplip and hplip-gui
3110 [23:14:37] <HelloShitty> but when I try to start hp-manager I get this message saying hp-toolbox is not installed
3111 [23:14:41] <HelloShitty> what am I missing?
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3113 [23:15:58] <VG234> AndreasLutro: If I upgrade python, will that not also change /usr/bin/python to python3? And, by doing that break the installer again?
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3119 [23:17:10] <AndreasLutro> VG234: not if you do it properly. compile with --prefix=/opt/python-3.8.2 for example, nothing will ever make it into /usr/bin unless *you* put it there
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3121 [23:18:23] <AndreasLutro> replaced-url
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3123 [23:19:25] <annadane> hardest part of compiling from my own experience is figuring out/reading makefiles
3124 [23:19:36] <annadane> the actual compiling is super simple and you can even use --prefix=
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3128 [23:20:41] <|subz3r0|> found a solution. makes no sense to me, since documentation says exactly different. but i got it
3129 [23:21:23] <VG234> I'm trying to understand how leaving the system installer to use 2.7 and updating python to version the works. Are they totally separate things? Won't programs need modules that are python3 compliant?
3130 [23:22:18] <AndreasLutro> VG234: there is not "updating python" if you compile it yourself, you just install it side-by-side with the system pythons
3131 [23:23:52] <|subz3r0|> docu says public key file needs to put in /etc/dropbear-initramfs/authorized_keys OR /etc/dropbear-initramfs/id_rsa.pub
3132 [23:24:06] <|subz3r0|> now i set both and it works
3133 [23:24:12] <|subz3r0|> guess must be a bug then
3134 [23:24:21] <|subz3r0|> when i got time i open a ticket
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3181 [23:51:46] <lilineko> running a relatively fresh buster install on a laptop. can't get wifi working for the life of me... went through a loop to have the interface properly managed by NetworkManager, but when I try to connect to a network it just doesn't. [using the applet, it] scans, lets me enter a password, then spins for a while before giving nothing. when
3182 [23:51:46] <lilineko> connecting through nmtui it says "Could not activate connection: Activation failed: the Wi-Fi network could not be found". I've tried disabling random mac assigning, that didn't help. been through multiple reboots as well
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3184 [23:52:19] <Bushmaster> Hi, do I need two machine to run apache server for two different types of media? Is it not possible to partition a hard drive and use both partition instead but let apache to run simulteniously?
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3186 [23:52:56] <sney> Bushmaster: apache virtualhosts allow you to serve multiple sites/media/etc from one apache server, even
3187 [23:53:09] <sney> lilineko: what wifi adapter is it? do you have the firmware installed?
3188 [23:53:26] <lilineko> can you remind me what the command is to check that?
3189 [23:54:07] <lilineko> if it's any help, the wifi was working fine on a live session
3190 [23:54:25] <sney> lilineko: there are a couple ways to check but 'dmesg |grep firmware' usually gives a clue. 'lspci' and 'lsusb' can show you lists of your devices as well.
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3192 [23:57:53] <lilineko> well, that seems like some helpful output. dmesg gives a few lines about loading rtlwifi/rtl8192sefw.bin failing, error -2
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3198 [23:59:56] <awalis> Hello guys/gals, has anyone used Android-x86 on Qemu before ? I've been trying to do that without success. here's my qemu command line "$ qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -machine q35 -smp 2 -accel kvm -m 2048 -k en-us -display gtk -vga std -usb -cdrom android-x86_64-9.0-r1-k49.iso -hda android9.qcow2" is there anything missing here ?
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