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16 [00:12:56] <OneanotherEUNS> here
17 [00:13:03] <dvs> there
18 [00:13:28] <OneanotherEUNS> way, all distro inspeccao exclusive kernel linux andy denand?
19 [00:13:59] <dvs> !confuse OneanotherEUNS
20 [00:13:59] <dpkg> No, who are their hamster yesterday, OneanotherEUNS? Lederhosen of the Republic of Micronesia with extra crabpaste.
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23 [00:15:22] <OneanotherEUNS> dpkg graphics ses xfce
24 [00:15:22] <dpkg> OneanotherEUNS: are you using Windows?
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29 [00:17:36] <knob> Good evening all o/
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34 [00:22:54] <knob> Devpsp: o/
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72 [00:46:43] <jteppinette> I am attempting to get Debian installed on an HP DL360 - G6. However, it looks like there is a bug which causes a black screen then reboot when clicking any of the install options (Debian - #874251). Resolution reqires that the kernel parameter "acpi=off" is added. I have set kernel parameters in Grub before, but I am not sure how to set a kernel parameter that will be used during installation. Can
73 [00:46:44] <judd> Bug replaced-url
74 [00:46:49] <jteppinette> anyone advise on how to set install media kernel parameters?
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80 [00:51:52] <dvs> jteppinette, it can be set at the linux: prompt
81 [00:52:29] <jteppinette> dvs, how do you get to the linux prompt? I have noticed if I click <esc> it will go into a "boot: " prompt.
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84 [00:52:52] <dvs> yes, that prompt
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88 [00:54:03] <jteppinette> dvs, at that prompt, attempting to enter (without quotes) "acpi=off" results in the error "Loading acpi=off...failed. No such file or directory"
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94 [00:58:18] <dvs> jteppinette, try typing "e" at the boot options screen and adding "acpi=off" on the linux line.
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96 [01:03:04] <jteppinette> dvs, thanks for the help, figured out that you need to enter "install acpi=off" at the "boot: " prompt.
97 [01:03:19] <dvs> ok
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205 [02:35:13] <Gigglebyte> Does anyone know if Zoom referenced in the following URL is the same Zoom as the Zoom Viewer in the stable repository replaced-url
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219 [02:43:55] <petn-randall> Gigglebyte: Do you mean zoom-player? There's no package named "zoom" in stable.
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221 [02:44:24] <Gigglebyte> I don't know. Is that the same as the URL I posted earlier?
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224 [02:44:56] <petn-randall> No.
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226 [02:46:05] <petn-randall> Gigglebyte: It doesn't look like free software, so I don't think it'll be packaged in Debian.
227 [02:46:38] <Gigglebyte> ok. Then it is a different program. I haven't looked at the repos so don't know if it will be in there. I am always reluctant to install things not in the repo for fear of turning my laptop into a Frankenstein. Its happened before.
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229 [02:47:19] <petn-randall> Gigglebyte: You can always install such stuff in a VM, which you just reset when things go north.
230 [02:48:03] <Gigglebyte> petn-randall> I am on an older Dell Vostro 1520 so not sure I have that option. It is likely at least as old as 2013 circa or earlier.
231 [02:48:12] <Gigglebyte> I think it will support kvm though.
232 [02:48:28] <petn-randall> Ah, it's usually a matter of RAM.
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236 [02:49:01] <petn-randall> an idle VM won't take much CPU, but it will still grab the RAM that you assigned to it.
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278 [03:31:43] <Mr_Queue> Anyone know of a "debian minimal install" AMI?
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306 [03:59:23] <vioxx> Question: I'm planning to install a fresh Debian Sid on a real pc which has 300GB HD , what's the recommended partitions size for separated root and Home partitions ?
307 [04:00:12] <dvs> vioxx, I'd use 50GB for root
308 [04:00:18] <dvs> at least
309 [04:00:25] <acidtripper> vioxx, depends on usage
310 [04:00:32] <acidtripper> what are you planning to do?
311 [04:00:38] <vioxx> At least 50GB
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314 [04:01:10] <vioxx> It will be justa a second machine
315 [04:01:24] <acidtripper> desktop usage?
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317 [04:01:40] <acidtripper> which DE? cores? ram?
318 [04:01:49] <acidtripper> sid is the old testing? 9?
319 [04:02:00] <dvs> !sid
320 [04:02:00] <dpkg> from memory, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
321 [04:02:15] <vioxx> intel 3rd generation i7, 16 ram
322 [04:02:16] <dvs> !stretch
323 [04:02:16] <dpkg> Stretch is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see replaced-url
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325 [04:03:00] <nickgaw> Hi, Where is the updated documentation for the debian-installer for developers wishing to work on the installer?
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327 [04:03:18] <acidtripper> i would use 60 or 80gb for root,
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330 [04:03:53] <acidtripper> i know sid is the testing, but as busted was released, sid continue being the unstable?
331 [04:04:23] <dvs> acidtripper, sid will always be unstable
332 [04:04:30] <acidtripper> okeeey
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336 [04:08:08] <nickgaw> Is there a better place to ask questions about the developers documentation for the debian-installer?
337 [04:08:39] <dvs> !debian-next
338 [04:08:40] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
339 [04:09:01] <gry> #debian-boot at oftc, or #debian-next, nickgaw
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341 [04:11:17] <acidtripper> can somebody ask a question without a !?
342 [04:11:24] <acidtripper> answer
343 [04:11:42] <sponix2ipfw> acidtripper: Sid is always unstable
344 [04:11:59] <acidtripper> hah yes thanks sponix2ipfw
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346 [04:12:32] <lwp> !factaday
347 [04:12:32] <dpkg> rumour has it, factaday is factoid a day keeps the doctor away, especially if it's useless and/or tastes bad
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355 [04:20:21] <disillusion> Can someone tell me why openssh-server, using ufw to administer firewall, from WAN addresses is so problematic on Debian 9 and 10 whereas on Debian 8 everything worked just fine?
356 [04:20:51] <disillusion> I'd like to know what changed that makes openssh-server impossible to access from WAN no matter what I do
357 [04:21:20] <disillusion> and there's just plain weird behavior
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360 [04:22:44] <disillusion> for example, I have the router forwarding all port 22 traffic to my server, but ufw blocks all port 22 traffic, and in the ufw.log file I see every I.P. trying to do that. But then when I enable an I.P. address and try to connect from it, there's nothing in ufw.log for that address, even though the blocked ones display.
361 [04:23:05] <acidtripper> can you paste ssh -V
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363 [04:23:33] <disillusion> OpenSSH_7.9p1 Debian-10+deb10u2, OpenSSL 1.1.1d 10 Sep 2019
364 [04:24:50] <disillusion> I can shell in from LAN and VPN (OpenVPN) addresses just fine
365 [04:25:10] <acidtripper> which rule you did for 22?
366 [04:25:26] <disillusion> same as for LAN and VPN addresses:
367 [04:25:28] <acidtripper> on ufw
368 [04:25:40] <disillusion> sudo ufw allow from IP_address to any port 22
369 [04:25:56] <disillusion> and I've tried:
370 [04:25:58] <acidtripper> rule, not talk
371 [04:26:09] <disillusion> sudo ufw allow in on eth0 to any port 22
372 [04:26:09] <acidtripper> code
373 [04:27:12] <acidtripper> paste: ufw status
374 [04:27:14] <disillusion> acidtripper, this is how I do it on ufw. Is there some other way?
375 [04:27:40] <acidtripper> ^^^ paste ufw status
376 [04:27:52] <disillusion> acidtripper, I don't need to do that
377 [04:28:00] <acidtripper> you want help?
378 [04:28:04] <acidtripper> ufw allow 22/tcp
379 [04:28:07] <acidtripper> should be
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381 [04:28:12] <disillusion> the IP addresses are in the same format as the LAN and VPN addresses which work just fine
382 [04:28:22] <acidtripper> paste ufw status if you want help,
383 [04:28:26] <disillusion> acidtripper, just allowing 22 does both protocols
384 [04:28:29] <acidtripper> neither i cant help you
385 [04:29:02] <disillusion> ok I'll try with just tcp
386 [04:29:29] <acidtripper> also you can do $ufw allow ssh
387 [04:29:58] <acidtripper> but please paste what i need, try to collaborate if you want help
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389 [04:30:55] <disillusion> no difference when I try with just tcp
390 [04:31:35] <acidtripper> well... if your going to paste the command i need, do it... if not, i hope you'r ok
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392 [04:31:46] <acidtripper> maybe you have to be less stubborn...
393 [04:32:00] <disillusion> acidtripper, and what's weird is that I disable ufw and it still doesn't work from WAN
394 [04:32:40] <disillusion> this is unreal. I've actually had it work for me randomly and I have no idea why.
395 [04:32:48] <acidtripper> i won't talk anymore... you want help and doesn't paste what i ask. be free and solve the issue at your own
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397 [04:33:01] <acidtripper> you don't have idea, and don't want help. best wished.
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399 [04:33:06] <acidtripper> bye bye
400 [04:33:17] <disillusion> but it's so frustrating trying to run a Debian server that can be shelled into from multiple WAN addresses and it just acts strange
401 [04:33:39] <disillusion> there's no way I'm the only one with this problem
402 [04:33:56] <acidtripper> i asked you 10 times to paste a command,... you continue blaming
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404 [04:34:01] <acidtripper> bye, i have better things to do..
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407 [04:34:20] <disillusion> and I don't need to paste the whole output of ufw status. IT's all the exact same, with just the IP addresses changed. The LAN and VPN addresses all shell in just fine but WAN addresses dont' work.
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410 [04:35:33] <acidtripper> first you have to open machines port, you don't get the idea. and think that you know what you'r doing
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412 [04:35:45] <acidtripper> !quiet disillusion
413 [04:36:22] <disillusion> sudo ufw status
414 [04:36:22] <disillusion> Status: active
415 [04:36:22] <disillusion> To Action From
416 [04:36:22] <disillusion> -- ------ ----
417 [04:36:22] <disillusion> 22 ALLOW 123.123.123.0/24
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421 [04:36:58] <acidtripper> thanks god! ;)
422 [04:37:50] <GenTooMan> I'
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425 [04:38:39] <disillusion> To Action From
426 [04:38:48] <disillusion> 22 ALLOW 123.123.123.0/24
427 [04:38:53] <disillusion> thats LAN
428 [04:39:04] <disillusion> 22 ALLOW 10.8.0.0/24 # VPN (works)
429 [04:39:18] <disillusion> 22 ALLOW 200.100.100.100 # WAN (doesn't work)
430 [04:40:26] <disillusion> how come LAN and VPN addresses work on Debian 9 and 10 server (now using 10) and the WAN addresses sometimes work and most of the time don't?
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432 [04:41:35] <disillusion> Back in the day, on both Ubuntu and Debian servers I just allow a WAN address and it can shell in immediately, and I can see the attempts in ufw.log. But like 2 years ago the system changed and it's just crazy now.
433 [04:41:58] <disillusion> sometimes the attempt shows up in ufw.log, most the time it doesn't
434 [04:42:34] <disillusion> my router shows attempts coming in every time. It's scary that Ubuntu and Debian servers over the past 2 years don't even show attempts in ufw.log
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436 [04:43:47] <disillusion> and frustrating that some weird shit is going on underneath the hood so that an openssh-server is inaccessible from a WAN
437 [04:44:33] <GenTooMan> um /msg dpkg paste please disillusion?
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439 [04:44:49] <disillusion> I beg anyone to set up a Debian 10 server right now on a host machine, with a default desktop such as xfce, using only ufw for firewall, and ask a friend to try to shell into it.
440 [04:45:42] <disillusion> it's like the developers don't even test for this, which has me totally baffled
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444 [04:47:49] <disillusion> just a host machine behind a home router
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459 [04:59:49] <GenTooMan> on ufw log is in /var/log?
460 [04:59:59] <GenTooMan> and even (tired sorry)
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469 [05:16:15] <Caspan> I have an SFTP user and I want their home directory to be /var/replaced-url
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471 [05:16:24] <Caspan> sorry for the Newb question
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474 [05:18:54] <jteppinette> Caspan: `man -k usermod`
475 [05:19:07] <Caspan> thank you
476 [05:20:05] <jteppinette> Let me know if you need help after reading the man page
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478 [05:22:07] <Caspan> sudo apt-get purgeusermod -d /path/to/dir username
479 [05:22:19] <Caspan> that seems to work but then SFTP login fails
480 [05:22:33] <Caspan> once i set it back to his home directory he can log in again
481 [05:22:56] <Caspan> does he have to have certain permissions on the /var/replaced-url
482 [05:23:53] <jteppinette> Did you mean to include the `apt-get purge` in that command?
483 [05:24:58] <Caspan> lol
484 [05:25:03] <Caspan> no sorry old paste
485 [05:25:09] <Caspan> was removing the FP server
486 [05:25:13] <Caspan> FTP server
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488 [05:25:27] <Caspan> mod -d /path/to/dir username
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490 [05:26:10] <Caspan> man i really need to get back into Linux
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492 [05:26:45] <jteppinette> You may need to check the permissions on that directory and chmod/chown them appropriately. However, I will point out that putting a user's home directory to /var/replaced-url
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494 [05:27:42] <Caspan> all this user is used for is FTP uploads
495 [05:27:50] <Caspan> for the site
496 [05:28:05] <Caspan> can you explain so i knwo what i am doing stupid lol
497 [05:28:37] <Caspan> only access to the server is SSH, 80, 443
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499 [05:29:55] <Caspan> I want to then chroot jail them to that directory
500 [05:30:20] <joepublic> I don't see ftp listed among SSH, 80, 443
501 [05:30:50] <Caspan> SFTP sorry
502 [05:31:07] <Caspan> using Publick and Private keys to do it
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504 [05:32:59] <jteppinette> Well, for example, if your user's home directory is at /var/replaced-url
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507 [05:33:43] <Caspan> My sites are configured under that
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511 [05:34:09] <Caspan> there are folders for site1.com, site2.com etc
512 [05:34:20] <Caspan> only those folders are exposed to Apache
513 [05:34:32] <Caspan> the users will be landing 1 level above the folders
514 [05:37:04] <jteppinette> still smells of danger, why not just give your user rwx on /var/replaced-url
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516 [05:38:10] <jteppinette> I have never setup SFTP for this purpose however, so I could be off base on your usecase.
517 [05:39:23] <Caspan> I was looking at groups
518 [05:39:40] <Caspan> then in sshd_config restricting based on the group there
519 [05:40:43] <Caspan> replaced-url
520 [05:40:46] <Caspan> that would work also
521 [05:40:51] <Caspan> ill just do that
522 [05:43:38] <jteppinette> :thumbsup:
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534 [05:53:45] <Caspan> replaced-url
535 [05:53:50] <Caspan> finnaly got it using that
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589 [06:57:47] <kats99> hey guys my bluetooth adapter is displayed in lsusb but in bluetoothctl it says no default controller available
590 [06:58:03] <kats99> I got bluez and blueman installed
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593 [06:58:56] <kats99> my kernel is 4.19
594 [07:01:40] <diogenes_> kats99, run: sudo rfkill list | nc termbin.com 9999 you will get a link with the output of the command, share the link.
595 [07:02:49] <kats99> replaced-url
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598 [07:06:07] <diogenes_> kats99, your bluetooth module is not detected at all, check in BIOS if it's enabled, also if you happened to drop your laptop, it might be disconnected from the slot.
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600 [07:06:52] <kats99> ok
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613 [07:20:18] <kats99> nope there is no option in the bios
614 [07:21:04] <diogenes_> kats99, how new is the PC?
615 [07:21:26] <kats99> 10 yrs
616 [07:22:19] <kats99> i was running ubuntu before and bluetooth was working fine
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619 [07:24:39] <somiaj> could it be firmware, dmesg | grep -i firmware to look for firmware loading issues
620 [07:25:03] <diogenes_> kats99, write an ubuntu iso to a usb or dvd and load a live session and see if it works there, if it does, the you need firmware.
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623 [07:27:31] <kats99> replaced-url
624 [07:27:45] <kats99> the dmesg
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628 [07:29:56] <kats99> I don't have an ubuntu iso
629 [07:30:02] <somiaj> yea you are just missing firmware, looks like you need firmware-atheros for the bluetooth (thinking since ath3k) and need firmware-realtex for the wired card. You can get this from debian non-free
630 [07:30:09] <somiaj> (you could also read the output and see it even gives you a link that can help you)
631 [07:30:46] <kats99> Qualcomm Atheros Communications AR3011 Bluetooth
632 [07:31:03] <somiaj> yup, you need the atheros firmware for that
633 [07:31:17] <kats99> ok i'll install and let you know what happens
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635 [07:31:27] <somiaj> ubunut ships non-free software (such as firmware) without telling its users. Debian has the firmware avaialble, but it lets its users know it is non-free by putting it into a non-free repo
636 [07:31:31] <somiaj> !non-free
637 [07:31:31] <dpkg> [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>.
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640 [07:32:24] <kats99> i had commented out the non free lines when I wrote the sources.list
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648 [07:41:42] <kats99> ok i installed firmware-atheros and firmware-realtek
649 [07:43:40] <kats99> and my rfkill list is the same
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668 [07:56:04] <kats99> now in bluetoothctl it still says no default controller available
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670 [07:56:44] <diogenes_> kats99, did you reboot?
671 [07:57:16] <kats99> i logged out and back in
672 [07:57:29] <kats99> ill reboot now
673 [07:57:42] <nyov> I have a weird wlan issue on a notebook. adapter is configured with wpasupplicant, dhclient successfully gets an IP from the network, but the ip can't be pinged and the notebook has no network access?
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675 [07:57:51] <diogenes_> yes reboot.
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677 [07:58:47] <nyov> actually it's two adapters, a cardbus card on the notebook has the same "issue". iptables is not installed, and I have no idea what it could be. routing table looks ok
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680 [07:59:30] <nyov> can the wlan device get an IP even if wpa is not properly configured?
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687 [08:01:52] <kats99> it works
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689 [08:02:00] <kats99> Thank you very much..
690 [08:02:02] <nyov> oh. nevermind. the disconnected cable network still had a route entry
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703 [08:22:25] <anonymous_meerka> Hey, I'm having trouble getting wifi into a bridge, can anyone here help?
704 [08:22:50] <anonymous_meerka> I've tried 4addr, and it killed my wifi entirely, and I've tried NAT, but it isn't helping thus far.
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707 [08:24:12] <anonymous_meerka> This answer (replaced-url
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724 [08:33:42] <anonymous_meerka> Hmm... just tried an ebtables fix I saw somewhere, also doesn't seem to be helping...
725 [08:34:10] <anonymous_meerka> Bringing the list of attempted solutions to 4addr, iptables NAT, and ebtables.
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814 [09:15:36] <gregor2> It seems like the extensions.conf file for asterisk is not working on debian.
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817 [09:17:10] <gregor2> I am editing /etc/asterisk/extensions.conf but it still says "extension not found in context" even after "core restart now" and reboot.
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852 [09:40:58] <ni291187> hi guys , i have this problem installing debian on virtualbox replaced-url
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861 [09:43:20] <ni291187> replaced-url
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863 [09:44:57] <jelly> ni291187: so take a look at virtual console 4 by pressing Ctrl-Alt-F4
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867 [09:46:39] <jelly> ni291187: the t.me telegram link does not work, "Message in a private group or channel. This link will only work if you are a member."
868 [09:47:34] <ni291187> jelly thanks but there is no such option , i sent ibb link instead telegram
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870 [09:50:30] <schu-r> ni291187: seems to be a problem with the virtual Harddisk. Enough space? Be aware that some Disks like qcow2 say yes enough but want to grow bigger. So ist there enough space on you host partition?
871 [09:52:35] <jelly> ni291187: what option? You can't type in the Ctrl-Alt-F4 key combo and send it to the VM?
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898 [10:10:51] <wwilliam> why is it faster in my box to download using filezilla than mounting locally with sshfs an cp ?
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902 [10:13:11] <schu-r> wwilliam: Any hint on the CPU. What ist the CPU utilization in both ways of yor box?
903 [10:13:32] <yesyes1> jelly thanks sorry dc , i have changed irc client, would you resend your opinion , i didnt find consol 4
904 [10:13:38] <jelly> wwilliam: I don't know, but it could be any number of reasons, eg. different options for ssh, filezilla using parallel connections for partial downloads
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906 [10:13:56] <yesyes1> schu-r sorry dc , yes i have created 20 GB
907 [10:14:28] <jelly> yesyes1: there should be a console on Alt-F2 or F3 where you can read the mentioned log file, then
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917 [10:24:32] <yesyes1> jelly replaced-url
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923 [10:26:36] <jelly> yesyes1: half the screen is missing, but the mention of "kali-rolling" in debootstrap line makes me think this isn't exactly a Debian installer
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926 [10:27:24] <jelly> yesyes1: are you installing actual debian, preferably current 10.3, or something else?
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928 [10:27:33] <wwilliam> schu-r: I dont understand both ways cpu on source box and destination?
929 [10:27:35] <wwilliam> jelly:
930 [10:27:55] <yesyes1> jelly latest kali 64bit installer
931 [10:27:58] <wwilliam> how do i make sshfs use parallel for partial downloads.?
932 [10:28:18] <jelly> !kali
933 [10:28:19] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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936 [10:28:25] <jelly> yesyes1: ^
937 [10:28:46] <jelly> wwilliam: sshfs doesn't do that as far as I know.
938 [10:28:57] <wwilliam> oh OK.
939 [10:29:01] <schu-r> wwilliam: on the box. what is if sshfs needs more CPU power due compression, but you use (example: Raspberry) and not the Network ist the Problem, but the CPU.
940 [10:29:34] <yesyes1> jelly nothing useful in syslog ?
941 [10:29:52] <wwilliam> top - 05:29:27 up 145 days, 16:45, 6 users, load average: 4.20, 4.19, 4.20 32 CPU's
942 [10:30:40] <jelly> yesyes1: see what the bot said, if you're using Kali, you should ask in the correct place for kali. I won't help this issue further unless you can replicate it with real Debian
943 [10:30:49] <schu-r> wwilliam: OK doesnt look lie a cpu problem. But I didnt know your HW setup
944 [10:31:10] <wwilliam> Thanks schu-r
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946 [10:32:03] <wwilliam> I get cping thru sshfs 4MB/s while using filezilla i get 30 or 40 MB/s
947 [10:32:11] <wwilliam> big difference.
948 [10:33:41] <yesyes1> jelly thanks how may i remove time from result of cat syslog
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952 [10:35:54] <jelly> wwilliam: I get line speed with rsync from sshfs source to tmpfs destination.
953 [10:35:58] <jelly> 196,750,848 100% 55.63MB/s 0:00:03 (xfr#5, to-chk=2/8)
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956 [10:36:25] <jelly> (I'm limited to 500Mbps on the switch, so it's pretty close)
957 [10:36:48] <wwilliam> That is what Im doing rsync --progress -avhH
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960 [10:37:05] <jelly> wwilliam: did you look at cpu using during the transfer?
961 [10:37:14] <wwilliam> 1.84G 100% 4.56MB/s 0:06:25 (xfr#1, to-chk=0/1)
962 [10:37:35] <wwilliam> that top is now transferring
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965 [10:38:14] <jelly> that's not CPU usage
966 [10:38:30] <wwilliam> replaced-url
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1026 [11:20:00] <wwilliam> 05:29] <wwilliam> top - 05:29:27 up 145 days, 16:45, 6 users, load average: 4.20, 4.19, 4.20 32 CPU's
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1028 [11:22:40] <jelly> wwilliam: top will tell you CPU% in single-processor by default, you press capital I ("irix mode") to switch between 100% meaning single core and 100% meaning all cpu resources
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1032 [11:23:43] <jelly> wwilliam: if your ssh process is taking close tu 100% of one cpu, then you need to investigate ssh options used by sshfs.
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1035 [11:25:03] <jelly> wwilliam: if it doesn't then it's something else. If you have ssh shell access, and rsync installed on the other side as well, consider using rsync over ssh directly instead of sshfs.
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1039 [11:26:22] <wwilliam> the other other box is windowze is rsync available for windowze?
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1041 [11:27:43] <wwilliam> thanks jelly
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1047 [11:29:36] <wwilliam> jelly: I press ssh:
1048 [11:29:39] <wwilliam> 10065 root 20 0 37000 5576 4772 S 0.238 0.001 0:02.30 ssh
1049 [11:29:58] <wwilliam> CPU 0.238
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1078 [11:54:27] <ratrace> wwilliam: there are cygwin based rsync solutions, but I'd be curious to know if you can use WSL/WSL2 and native linux rsync on win.
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1080 [11:55:11] <wwilliam> Thank you ratrace will investigate.
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1165 [12:56:17] <mspe> ratrace: or you could give msys2 a try
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1168 [12:57:04] <mspe> lots of free programs compiled for windows and packaged as tar.xz, managed by pacman!
1169 [12:58:10] <mspe> in addition to usual bash, git and ssh, you instantly get functional python3, rsync, zsh, etc.
1170 [12:58:41] <mspe> even some graphical applications like blender, gedit, gitg, gimp, etc.
1171 [12:59:03] <kats99> hey guys..idk if it fits here but when I try to send a file to another guy through dcc it replies with no route to host. I can send a file to myself but how do I send it to him?
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1173 [12:59:49] <kats99> Or am I getting the syntax wrong of /dcc send?
1174 [13:00:50] <diogenes_> kats99, what you trying to do?
1175 [13:00:52] <joepublic> you'd probably have to time travel back before everyone used nat
1176 [13:01:02] <Haohmaru> kats99 dcc requires at least one side to have opened the right TCP ports
1177 [13:01:22] <Wulf> kats99: I assume you're behind a nat router. Your client sends its own ip address which is a private address. The recipient will try to connect to that address, which fails.
1178 [13:01:34] <Haohmaru> if there's a router in front of it, or sumfin similar, it might be blocking them ports
1179 [13:01:36] <kats99> I don't use a router
1180 [13:01:46] <Wulf> kats99: okay, you're behind ipv6. Maybe that is a problem.
1181 [13:01:51] <kats99> diogenes_, I'm trying to send a file through dcc
1182 [13:01:53] <Wulf> kats99: try to send me something
1183 [13:02:00] <joepublic> and your friend? no router as well?
1184 [13:02:08] <kats99> nope. We both use hotspot
1185 [13:02:14] <kats99> ok wulf
1186 [13:02:19] <Wulf> kats99: are you both on the same network?
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1188 [13:02:40] <kats99> no
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1192 [13:03:03] <Haohmaru> kats99 what does your dcc command look like?
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1194 [13:03:09] <Haohmaru> and which IRC client do you use
1195 [13:03:15] <kats99> hexchat
1196 [13:03:26] <Wulf> DCC SEND from kats99 [192.168.43.145 port 1234]
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1198 [13:03:39] <Haohmaru> hexchat is dumb and does not let you do DCC on an IP address directly
1199 [13:03:41] <kats99> Haohmaru, /dcc send username
1200 [13:03:41] <Wulf> kats99: so that's a private ip address. No way I can cannect to it!
1201 [13:03:58] <joepublic> you'd probably have to time travel back before everyone used nat
1202 [13:04:07] <Haohmaru> kats99 okay, you need to be in the same IRC network
1203 [13:04:20] <adikt> dcc uses port 59 by default but you can change it as well
1204 [13:04:32] <Haohmaru> also, if one of you has pimped up hostname (cloak or whatever) it might not work too
1205 [13:04:35] <adikt> ./dcc send <filename> <ip> <port>
1206 [13:04:37] <kats99> joepublic, We're just trying to have some fun
1207 [13:05:08] <kats99> now yeah if i type ip it says error 17 file exists
1208 [13:05:16] <adikt> i'd imagine joepublic is right though.. a standard comcast router probably blocks dcc by default
1209 [13:05:29] <adikt> you'd have to figure out how to unblock that in the firewall settings for your modem
1210 [13:05:33] <wwilliam> I have mounted a remote ftp share using sshfs if i use filezilla to transfer i get very good speeds but if i cp using sshfs the transfer decreases condiderably, is there an option in sshfs than can make my transfers faster?
1211 [13:05:37] <wwilliam> Thank you.
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1213 [13:06:05] <kats99> I'll completely disable the firewall for now
1214 [13:06:15] <wwilliam> sorry wrong channel.
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1216 [13:06:40] <kats99> wwiliam, me?
1217 [13:07:02] <adikt> kats99, it's worth it to just try something like port 21 (default for ftp; which should be open)
1218 [13:07:13] <Wulf> kats99: try to tell your client to use ipv6 for dcc and open a specific tcp port for dcc.
1219 [13:07:17] <adikt> or to just open the port 59 itself in the firewall setting
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1221 [13:07:25] <adikt> versus disabling the entire firewall
1222 [13:07:34] <Wulf> adikt: 59? that's a privileged port. That makes no sense.
1223 [13:07:46] <Wulf> adikt: and as you can see above, the client tried port 1234.
1224 [13:07:50] <kats99> I actually disabled the firewall so
1225 [13:08:01] <adikt> replaced-url
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1227 [13:08:36] <Wulf> kats99: your firewall is still enabled. At least on ipv6.
1228 [13:09:05] <kats99> how do i disable for ipv6.
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1231 [13:09:38] <Wulf> kats99: I don't know your network setup. So, no idea.
1232 [13:09:50] <Wulf> kats99: might be outside your control.
1233 [13:09:54] <kats99> ok
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1237 [13:10:31] <kats99> Wulf, Is it possible for you to send me something?
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1242 [13:13:10] <joepublic> that's literally a no
1243 [13:14:08] <kats99> :(
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1249 [13:19:53] <ratrace> mspe: personally I don't care, wouldn't be caught dead using Windows. That was just a recommendation for wwilliam to try out. :)
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1255 [13:21:58] <terr> I checked /etc/resolv.conf and blah/system-connections/blah and the connection is correct - there is NO IP ADDRESS... and everything looks correct. Why won't service networking start work?
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1258 [13:22:36] <han-solo> what does `journalctl -xe -u networking` say ?
1259 [13:23:02] <han-solo> hrm, maybe `systemctl status networking` is enought
1260 [13:23:11] <ratrace> or just journalctl -n 30 :)
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1262 [13:23:16] <ratrace> (for example)
1263 [13:23:39] <han-solo> or that
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1266 [13:24:57] <ratrace> I'd recommend actually using just -e . -x is a lot of noise which is rarely needed, so I'd start with -e, optionally use -x . thing is, using -u makes sense only if the service is started okay and is logging. -u won't show logs by systemd about failed service startup.
1267 [13:25:32] <ratrace> (unless service started, found an error, logged, and exited, which is different from not starting at all)
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1272 [13:26:57] <terr> journLCTL... no entries
1273 [13:27:33] <ratrace> terr: for which flags?
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1275 [13:29:10] <terr> says good news. However journal has been rotated
1276 [13:29:21] <Wulf> kats99: trying. Got a request?
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1278 [13:29:52] <kats99> failed
1279 [13:29:52] <ratrace> terr: what on earth are you talking about? please pastebin the output of journalctl -n 50 --no-pager
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1281 [13:30:00] <Wulf> kats99: failed how/why?
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1283 [13:30:22] <kats99> I wouldn't be knowing
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1285 [13:30:40] <Wulf> kats99: what ip address/port did you client show?
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1288 [13:30:56] <kats99> lemme check
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1291 [13:31:12] <terr> I can't - network is down ;-)
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1295 [13:31:31] <kats99> 0.0.0.2 : 7771
1296 [13:31:39] <Wulf> huh. That's clearly nonsense.
1297 [13:31:52] <ratrace> terr: take a picture with your phone then
1298 [13:32:52] <Wulf> kats99: but that's a problem with your client. I tried to send myself something, and that works.
1299 [13:32:54] <terr> let me try...
1300 [13:33:26] <terr> okay - it has made a request to 192.168.0.1 which failed because the network is down
1301 [13:33:31] <kats99> How would you suggest me to configure it?
1302 [13:33:34] <Wulf> :Wulf!~Wulf@unaffiliated/wulf PRIVMSG foo^bar :DCC SEND nanobots.png XXXX:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX 7771 49929
1303 [13:34:26] <kats99> I received a ctcp from you
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1305 [13:35:54] <terr> ratrace, have got a pic.
1306 [13:36:28] <terr> can I sent it to the pastebin?
1307 [13:36:35] <Wulf> kats99: might be replaced-url
1308 [13:36:38] <ratrace> terr: upload it to imgur for example
1309 [13:36:56] <terr> I've never used imgur
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1313 [13:37:51] <terr> I see what might be the problem: Reject scan trigger since one is already pending
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1315 [13:38:03] <kats99> well ipv4 worked for him tho.
1316 [13:38:19] <ratrace> terr: good luck then.
1317 [13:38:46] <terr> well - I have no idea how to clear out that pening one nor how it got there.
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1319 [13:39:07] <terr> everything has been runing for weeks.
1320 [13:39:20] <terr> suddenly poof
1321 [13:39:35] <Wulf> kats99: it's really time people fixed their ipv6.
1322 [13:39:40] <terr> is there a daemon I can just kill?
1323 [13:40:56] <kats99> yes. disable IPv6 because my vpn doesn't support it..
1324 [13:41:04] <Wulf> no, fix it! ;-)
1325 [13:41:48] <kats99> ye
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1332 [13:48:01] <watom> how i install a package from testing in stable? any wiki page available?
1333 [13:49:17] <joepublic> dpkg, ssb
1334 [13:49:17] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
1335 [13:50:39] <watom> so i should compile it?
1336 [13:50:43] <annadane> it depends on the package
1337 [13:50:46] <annadane> what're you trying to install?
1338 [13:50:51] <watom> duplicity
1339 [13:51:02] <annadane> ,v duplicity
1340 [13:51:03] <judd> Package: duplicity on amd64 -- jessie: 0.6.24-1; stretch: 0.7.11-1; stretch-backports: 0.7.18.2-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.7.18.2-1; bullseye: 0.8.11.1596-1; sid: 0.8.11.1596-1
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1342 [13:51:13] <annadane> checkbackport duplicity --fromrelease sid
1343 [13:51:19] <annadane> ,checkbackport duplicity --fromrelease sid
1344 [13:51:20] <judd> Backporting package duplicity in sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster.
1345 [13:51:29] <annadane> so yeah, see the ssb factoid
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1347 [13:51:54] <watom> well so... i need to compile?
1348 [13:52:09] <watom> dpkg option will not get me updates
1349 [13:52:09] <dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, watom
1350 [13:52:35] <kats99> lol
1351 [13:52:40] <annadane> hmm if you want updates then i don't know
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1358 [13:59:12] <terr> ratrace, I set up an imgur acct but I can see no way to make a post
1359 [13:59:42] <ratrace> terr: you didn't have to set up anything. you can upload anonymously.
1360 [14:00:04] <ratrace> imgur.com and the big green button "+ new post" in the upper left corner
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1362 [14:00:58] <terr> there is no +
1363 [14:02:25] <ratrace> that's bad then.
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1365 [14:04:37] <terr> I have 5 icons on the bottom. home, search allow everything in my gallery bell and snowman
1366 [14:04:48] <EdePopede> terr: with noscript i see > If you're seeing this message, that means JavaScript has been disabled on your browser, please enable JS to make Imgur work.
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1368 [14:05:00] <terr> I installed the app! hang on.
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1371 [14:05:59] <terr> went back the the app
1372 [14:06:11] <EdePopede> allowing scripting only on imgur.com and s.imgur.com already has the whole top area showing up. including all the buttons and the search box.
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1374 [14:07:03] <annadane> does anyone have any other ideas re: watom's question? AFAIK the only way to really get a software with updates other than that already existing in upstream functionality (like firefox) is to periodically check and get updates manually yourself
1375 [14:07:06] <annadane> ,i duplicity
1376 [14:07:07] <judd> Package duplicity (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: encrypted bandwidth-efficient backup. Version: 0.7.18.2-1; Size: 338.4k; Installed: 1609k; Homepage: replaced-url
1377 [14:07:18] <annadane> for backup you probably don't always need new versions
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1379 [14:07:44] <annadane> depends on your use-case
1380 [14:08:16] <watom> also dpkg -i will not work as the bot say
1381 [14:08:43] <annadane> how so?
1382 [14:08:49] <watom> i used apt
1383 [14:09:04] <watom> dpkg just tell you there are depences missing
1384 [14:09:05] <dpkg> watom: okay
1385 [14:09:17] <jelly> dpkg: forget just tell you there
1386 [14:09:18] <dpkg> jelly: i forgot just tell you there
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1388 [14:10:19] <jelly> annadane: there's at least one framework to grab and automatically build backported debs of newer versions but the name escapes me at the moment
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1390 [14:10:30] <EdePopede> i used dpkg on the other non-networked machine while it ran on live. all of .deb (incl. dependencies) into a directory and then install all of them at once.
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1392 [14:11:23] <watom> EdePopede i think that will mark every package as required by the user
1393 [14:11:32] <watom> while apt will set them as depences of your main package which is better
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1395 [14:11:53] <EdePopede> watom: ah, ok. it was live, so i really didn't care about such things ;)
1396 [14:12:22] <jelly> watom: avoid adding repos for newer branches of Debian to your configuration at all costs, it is VERY easy to mess up
1397 [14:12:49] <EdePopede> i remember someone mentioned the advantage of apt over dpkg some time ago, but what. may have been this point.
1398 [14:13:02] <watom> yep. in the end i did a apt install ./duplicity_0.8.11.1596-1_amd64.deb ./librsync2_2.0.2-1_amd64.deb but no auto updates
1399 [14:13:03] <terr> ratrace, no big fat arrow - is there somewhere I can email too. Damn - I wish I had my servers running
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1401 [14:14:01] <jelly> it is literally a better idea to upgrade the whole system to testing or unstable and deal with the consequences of that (no promise of security fixes, other breakage) than to mix and match
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1405 [14:14:45] <watom> well duplicity is just a python script. but maybe yeah librsync... i should compile that one
1406 [14:14:50] <jelly> watom: you got lucky there was only one binary dep needing installing
1407 [14:15:12] <watom> jelly so it's fine to have a .so thing without recompiling?
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1410 [14:15:19] <watom> it's just a comiled lib
1411 [14:15:19] <EdePopede> jelly: what is the name of the values that decide from which repo a package is taken? like 500 being standard iirc.
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1413 [14:15:44] <jelly> EdePopede: priorities?
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1418 [14:17:00] <annadane> watom, do note that what you're supposed to add re: sid (or i guess testing) is deb-src, *not* deb
1419 [14:17:35] <EdePopede> jelly: exactly. iirc what i've seen here it was like setting priorities in such a way that stable is always preferred, but only for this one package sid. which maybe would mean manual checks of dependencies. and maybe doing an `install -s` just to stay safe.
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1421 [14:18:39] <watom> annadane i think i don't need to compile again librsync2. and duplicity is just a python script
1422 [14:18:45] <EdePopede> never ever for libc, but i wouldn't be too concerned about some packages at the end of the dependency jungle.
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1425 [14:19:27] <ritmo> Good day everyone!
1426 [14:19:53] <ritmo> Anyone could help me to properly set up basic VPN connection in Debian?
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1428 [14:20:11] <ritmo> I'm a newbie but try to learn about debian every day. Today i want to learn about VPN :D
1429 [14:20:21] <ritmo> Just installed openvpn.
1430 [14:20:33] <ritmo> Are there any preffered ways that you use to connect vpn ?
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1432 [14:20:53] <watom> i don't think it's really a debian thing ritmo. it's mostly about openvpn itself
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1437 [14:21:53] <watom> also i don't find openvpn a newbie thing. maybe you should try something easier like wireguard
1438 [14:22:10] <ritmo> on my old Ubuntu i always had to chance my DNS settings everytime i used the VPN so it connects to my VPN providers DNS address
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1440 [14:22:48] <watom> oh that kind of vpn. i though you were going to set your own vpn
1441 [14:23:00] <ritmo> No. I just need to connect :)
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1446 [14:28:09] <jhutchins_wk> !openvpn
1447 [14:28:09] <dpkg> OpenVPN is a <VPN> daemon, which can securely tunnel IP networks over one UDP or TCP port. Packaged for Debian, provides "openvpn" ifupdown hooks to <interfaces>. Add "script-security 2" in configuration files for use of external commands. Debian 8 "Jessie" users: see replaced-url
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1452 [14:38:34] <teclo-> Hi there, I need to use a webcam with Debian 10. What webcam model would you guys recommend ?
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1457 [14:40:28] <diogenes_> teclo-, i know that logitech usually work out of the box, but don't go for the newest models.
1458 [14:40:43] <teclo-> diogenes_: ah thank you :)
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1461 [14:41:00] <diogenes_> no rpoblem
1462 [14:41:03] <diogenes_> problem*
1463 [14:41:06] <teclo-> well I don't need a 1080p webcam, just a simple basic webcam for using Skype
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1465 [14:41:17] <teclo-> (yeah sorry but I'm gonna have to use Skype)
1466 [14:41:32] <GenTooMan> eww
1467 [14:41:36] <GenTooMan> :D
1468 [14:42:20] <teclo-> well actually, I have to use Skype or FaceTime...
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1470 [14:42:44] <neox> Use Jitsi
1471 [14:42:58] <diogenes_> teclo-, no problem with that, i'd suggest Discord because you can use it right in your browser, no installation needed.
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1476 [14:44:22] <annadane> i hear teamspeak is good because you can self host (even though it's primarily meant for gamers); discord does have some privacy concerns
1477 [14:44:26] <annadane> plus closed source yadda yadda
1478 [14:45:02] <annadane> (i actually don't know whether teamspeak is open source or not)
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1487 [14:49:13] <annadane> if that's a reference to something then it went over my head
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1525 [15:14:28] <OS-66780> hi
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1535 [15:19:22] <annadane> g-g-g-g-g-g-ghost?!
1536 [15:19:26] <annadane> ruh-roh, raggy
1537 [15:19:29] <greycat> zoinks!
1538 [15:19:35] <OS-66780> yes
1539 [15:22:51] <JyZyXEL> im trying to run 'update-grub' in a chroot but it just freezes and outputs nothing.. has anyone encountered and solved this?
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1546 [15:24:15] <JyZyXEL> got /proc, /sys, /dev and /dev/pts bind mounted to the chroot too so it should work..
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1589 [15:51:23] <hat4> hey
1590 [15:51:46] <annadane> hihi
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1600 [15:57:13] <annadane> note to self, ignore 'hi'
1601 [15:58:06] <dvs> That's why I say "hi". Less work for us!
1602 [15:58:21] <annadane> 'hi' is usually followed by 'leave'
1603 [15:58:31] <annadane> hi question mark, i will respond to
1604 [15:58:54] <dvs> you said hi!
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1606 [15:59:06] <annadane> mission accomplished
1607 [16:00:58] <wMw> lol
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1641 [16:27:16] <joepublic> hi
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1660 [16:35:35] <jhutchins_wk> JyZyXEL: Still there?
1661 [16:35:42] <JyZyXEL> jhutchins_wk: yeah
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1673 [16:40:41] <jhutchins_wk> You should not be able to update/install grub in a chroot.
1674 [16:41:19] <jhutchins_wk> You should do that in the host session, which should allow you to set the chroot up as a boot option.
1675 [16:41:45] <greycat> If that were actually true, it would be disastrous. "boot rescue media, mount your root file system, chroot into it, and run update-grub" is a staple.
1676 [16:42:12] <JyZyXEL> yeah i've done update-grub from grml live-cd many many times
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1678 [16:42:47] <JyZyXEL> after chrooting to my local system, that is
1679 [16:42:50] <BazookaTooth> repairing grub from a chroot is a fairly common thing
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1682 [16:44:03] <ws2k3> does anyone know if there is a http benchmark tool that can execute javascript? so fully load a page to simulate real traffic?
1683 [16:44:05] <BazookaTooth> JyZyXEL: btw only time my update-grub ever hangs is related to os-prober
1684 [16:44:20] <jhutchins_wk> You're right, I'm thinking of another scenario.
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1688 [16:45:21] <JyZyXEL> BazookaTooth: i don't have os-prober installed
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1692 [16:47:08] <JyZyXEL> i migrated my current system onto a new SSD and trying to make it bootable from my currently running system via chroot
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1695 [16:47:51] <Release_> greetz, i was wondering what could cause the bash history file dissapear
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1697 [16:48:10] <Release_> i use to have it in home directory for user
1698 [16:48:17] <greycat> the rm(1) and unlink(1) commands are good candidates
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1708 [16:52:32] <ritmo> Hey all. Anyone know why i could leak IPV6 when using a VPN? I changed my DNS settings and everything and when i go to browserleaks.com everything is perfect except that it still shows austrian IP address.. I ignored IPV6 in the network settings for my connection
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1712 [16:53:59] <BazookaTooth> JyZyXEL: if the grub.cfg on the ssd is the same, isn't that likely why it's hanging?
1713 [16:54:02] <horseshoecrab> anyone familiar with the festival package? this used to have some sort of init script or service file but it seems to have disappeared and im not sure how to start it "properly" ?
1714 [16:54:17] <ritmo> Or maybe an easier question: How do you disable IPV6 in debian?
1715 [16:54:44] <JyZyXEL> BazookaTooth: the chroot doesn't have a grub.cfg yet
1716 [16:55:13] <petn-randall> horseshoecrab: Is a service file or init script listed in `dpkg -L festival`?
1717 [16:55:36] <JyZyXEL> and the hosts /boot/ is only mounted at the host and not binded inside chroot
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1720 [16:56:23] <BazookaTooth> JyZyXEL: not sure about doing that from debian. done it from arch often but using a different method
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1722 [16:56:59] <horseshoecrab> petn-randall: aah good thinking. looks like its in examples and i may need to futz it.
1723 [16:57:15] <horseshoecrab> thanks for being patient with someone that should really have thought about that. :|
1724 [16:57:48] <petn-randall> horseshoecrab: Many tools ship with a systemd unit that is just disabled by default.
1725 [16:58:33] <horseshoecrab> i think this may be more of a case of it being totally systemd ignorant - this looks like sysv to me
1726 [16:58:56] <horseshoecrab> it is also *shame* the case that this may be a bit of a frankendebian - but i am big and ugly enough to deal with that.
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1728 [16:59:33] <JordiGH> I installed ttf-mscorefonts-installer and now I have comic sans. Remving ttf-mscorefonts-installer has not gotten rid of the fonts it installed. How do I get rid of them?
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1730 [16:59:39] <JyZyXEL> grub-probe is claiming "WARNING: Device /dev/nvme0n1 not initialized in udev database even after waiting 10000000 microseconds."
1731 [16:59:43] <JyZyXEL> for every device i have
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1734 [17:01:07] <JyZyXEL> doesn't work in the chroot but works in the host
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1737 [17:01:37] <JyZyXEL> "udev database", that's a new concept to me, how do i carry that over to the chroot?
1738 [17:01:41] <BazookaTooth> JyZyXEL: i wouldn't fight with the chroot. you can try adding os-prober on the current system and let it add the ssd boot. then redo grub from the ssd
1739 [17:03:23] <JyZyXEL> BazookaTooth: hmm yeah, i can just generate the initrd in chroot and add it to my hosts grub configuration
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1741 [17:03:52] <JyZyXEL> and do the rest once i got it booted up
1742 [17:04:02] <BazookaTooth> same result yeah
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1745 [17:05:01] <JyZyXEL> yeah that's an acceptable solution, thank you
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1758 [17:15:08] <karlpinc> JordiGH: You probably want to "purge" not just "remove". Dunno
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1760 [17:15:33] <JordiGH> Yeah, tried that too, still have comic sans.
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1762 [17:15:36] <JordiGH> Wait, I think.
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1765 [17:16:27] <karlpinc> JordiGH: Possibly restart the font server?
1766 [17:16:34] <JordiGH> How do I test this? On OpenBSD websites?
1767 [17:16:57] <JordiGH> Oh, wait, I know, lobste.rs uses comic sans for its openbsd users.
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1769 [17:17:51] <JordiGH> Yeah, okay, it's gone.
1770 [17:18:02] <JordiGH> No comics sans here: replaced-url
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1818 [17:49:59] <ritmo> Guys, i read a lot online about people having troubles with OpenVPN. A lot complain about dropping connection especially when torrenting. Does anyone also have that experience?
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1820 [17:50:26] <ritmo> I had it on Ubuntu/Debian, different networks, different laptops, different VPN providers..
1821 [17:50:34] <ritmo> Seems to be a OpenVPN thing at this point
1822 [17:51:03] <g38> hello. I have an ifup@eth0.service in my systemd (output by "systemctl"). I see in /lib/systemd/system that I have a generic ifup@.service file. So I assume Debian finds somewhere a list of interfaces x,y,z and creates services ifup@x.service, ifup@y.service, ifup@z.service. Question: where is this list of interfaces? And how can I get an ifup@eth0:0.service service for my eth0:0 interface?
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1824 [17:52:10] <jelly> g38: generated from /etc/network/interfaces config file, most likely
1825 [17:52:19] <Katana_Steel> ritmo: might be annecdotal but, I have no issues with my openvpn setup (however I'm using tcp)
1826 [17:52:32] <ritmo> I also always use TCP connections
1827 [17:52:45] <ritmo> But after a couple of miunutes i always drop connection
1828 [17:52:46] <g38> jelly, well my /etc/network/interfaces file does contain eth0:0, but I have no ifup@eth0:0.service and eth0:0 is not brought up on boot
1829 [17:53:12] <jelly> g38: is there a matching auto eth0:0 line?
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1833 [17:53:24] <g38> jelly, yes, and also allow-hotplug
1834 [17:53:42] <jelly> g38: you shouldn't have both auto an allow-hotplug
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1837 [17:54:15] <jelly> auto is stronger, if you want it pick that and comment out or remove allow-hotplug eth0:0
1838 [17:54:21] <g38> jelly, well I've tried without allow-hotplug too (but with auto), it behaved the same
1839 [17:54:25] <Katana_Steel> ritmo: replaced-url
1840 [17:54:52] <Katana_Steel> like that in the client/server conf?
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1842 [17:55:08] <jelly> g38: what does "ifup --no-act eth0:0" say if you run it as root
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1844 [17:55:22] <CombatVet> do you think p7zip (7zip) is going anywhere? im thinking about using it for a long-term archiving, just afraid of not being able to open it 10+ years from now lol
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1846 [17:55:41] <g38> jelly, just after boot (so that eth0:0 is not up), it says "ifup: interface eth0:0 already configured"
1847 [17:55:54] <jelly> g38: do you see the alias ip address in "ip a", regardless of services that exist or don't exist?
1848 [17:56:09] <g38> jelly, I don't
1849 [17:56:22] <ritmo> Katana_Steel: idk, when i sudo openvpn i always use tcp files to connect that i download of my providers website
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1853 [17:57:20] <jhutchins_wk> !openvpn
1854 [17:57:20] <dpkg> OpenVPN is a <VPN> daemon, which can securely tunnel IP networks over one UDP or TCP port. Packaged for Debian, provides "openvpn" ifupdown hooks to <interfaces>. Add "script-security 2" in configuration files for use of external commands. Debian 8 "Jessie" users: see replaced-url
1855 [17:57:35] <jelly> g38: patsebin your interfaces file and output of "ip a" and "ifquery --state -a", preferably in a single pastebin entry
1856 [17:57:37] <jelly> !paste
1857 [17:57:38] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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1867 [18:02:03] <g38> jelly, ok I will. just a note: after removing the auto-hotplug line and rebooting, "ifup --no-act eth0:0" does work
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1869 [18:03:17] <mms_> I have tried nonfree iso for debian install but they also do not really work beyond main menu. the display for graphical install shows thick blurred lines.
1870 [18:03:27] <dvs> auto-hotplug?
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1873 [18:04:25] <karlpinc> mms_: How new is this hardware?
1874 [18:05:04] <mms_> karlpinc: msi x370 gaming pro with ryzen 5 2400g and acer display kg221q
1875 [18:05:17] <AndreasLutro> any idea when kernel 5.5 might make it into buster backports?
1876 [18:05:34] <mms_> I got it recently but I think it was released 2 years ago
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1878 [18:05:52] <g38> dvs, sorry I meant allow-hotplug
1879 [18:06:47] <g38> ok here it is replaced-url
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1882 [18:07:19] <mms_> karlpinc: I have even tried debian official iso
1883 [18:08:01] <dvs> g38, you have both "auto eth0" and "allow-hotplug eth0". You only need one.
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1885 [18:08:15] <dvs> g38, that's probably not the problem though.
1886 [18:08:32] <mms_> I made usb from it
1887 [18:08:34] <mms_> using rufus
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1893 [18:10:52] <karlpinc> mms_: So how new is it?
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1897 [18:13:21] <dvs> karlpinc, Ryzen 5 2400 is last generation but I don't think the 4.19 kernel can handle it.
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1900 [18:13:41] <mms_> karlpinc: 2 months
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1902 [18:14:39] <mms_> karlpinc: the usb device is not showing up in explorer so will see if I can parition it using linux
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1904 [18:15:50] <mms_> its detecting fine in linux
1905 [18:16:02] <jelly> mms_: rufus can mess up debian-installer image
1906 [18:16:17] <mms_> jelly: let me do it again then
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1908 [18:16:34] <jelly> write the image directly onto the whole usb stick (you will lose any data on it already)
1909 [18:16:34] <mms_> i tried multiple times already both iso and dd but same issue
1910 [18:16:51] <jelly> which OS are you using to write to the usb?
1911 [18:17:29] <mms_> jelly: win 10
1912 [18:17:37] <jelly> !win32diskimager
1913 [18:17:37] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
1914 [18:17:44] <jelly> ^ try using that.
1915 [18:17:54] <mms_> win32 can do 64 bit ?
1916 [18:18:12] <jelly> ignore the name of the utility.
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1918 [18:18:36] <dvs> of course 32-bit program can run in 64-bit Windows
1919 [18:18:37] <mms_> ok
1920 [18:18:39] <jelly> your OS has (lots and lots of) compatibility with 32bit windows apps.
1921 [18:18:42] <mms_> let me try and shall get back
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1925 [18:21:23] <jelly> AndreasLutro: probably never, 5.4 is current long-term kernel and current testing branch, bullseye, is likely to end up using a longterm kernel; if, say. 5.8 is declared longterm as well, then that one will probably enter testing. Only packages that are in testing can be used to make stable-backports bust-backports right now)
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1928 [18:22:07] <jelly> mms_: be careful, that thing is a bit dumb and might happily overwrite the beginning of your hard disk if you tell it to
1929 [18:23:38] <jelly> g38: so manual ifup works, good! Now also comment out allow-hotplug for eth0, reboot and see if that changes things
1930 [18:24:04] <jelly> oh, dvs already said that, sorry
1931 [18:24:25] <dvs> grumble, grumble, grumble.
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1935 [18:24:50] <g38> jelly, dvs, the problem is that when I remove allow-hotplug for eth0, then on boot eth0 is not brought up at all. Maybe this has to do with the fact that I am using a variant of Debian? (namely Raspbian) very strange
1936 [18:25:23] <g38> but I'll try again
1937 [18:25:37] <dvs> g38, but you leave the "auto eth0" in?
1938 [18:26:19] <karlpinc> mms_: (You'll probably want to use the unofficial debian iso with non-free firmware included.)
1939 [18:26:33] <g38> now I've just done a "systemctl daemon-reload" and the system doesn't get eth0 on boot any more. so maybe it's time to remove allow-hotplug and then it will work again :) let me try.
1940 [18:26:37] <g38> dvs, yes I always left it
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1943 [18:27:48] <jelly> g38: oh fuck. Your hardware does weird things with MAC address at boot IIRC and I don't know how any of that works precisely. Use the correct channel for your OS, #raspbian or the hw platform channel, #raspberrypi
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1946 [18:28:40] <jelly> I assumed you were running actual Debian, sorry.
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1951 [18:31:13] <g38> jelly, ok I assumed the basics were the same, sorry. thanks for your help.
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1972 [18:42:35] <greycat> /msg nickserv blah blah
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1979 [18:44:37] <mms_> using cfdisk I choose 87 type for ntfs volume
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1981 [18:44:51] <frontrunnerrr> thanks...
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1983 [18:45:10] <mms_> windows is not loading it any more
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1985 [18:47:10] <mms_> windows not showing usb any more in explorer
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1987 [18:48:44] <noahmg123> iwlwifi firmware keeps crashing on boot for me. I was running an unstable release of Debian but now stable doesn't even work, so I'm worried I fucked my card.
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1989 [18:50:02] <dvs> mms_, why do you have an ntfs volume on your USB drive?
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1997 [18:52:26] <mms_> dvs: I used now vfat
1998 [18:53:01] <mms_> dvs: did not remember but vfat is not showing fine in df and auto mounting but still not mounting in windows
1999 [18:53:35] <mms_> dvs: I mean linux now mounts fine but windows still not showing
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2005 [18:55:18] <jelly> they're the same except when they aren't, and nuances in the boot process are things that are often modified on weird platforms
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2007 [18:55:40] <jelly> oh, they're gone
2008 [18:55:55] <mms_> dvs: seems some issue with usb now will see if some how fdisk etc. can fix it.
2009 [18:56:09] <mms_> dvs: linux can mount fine but not windows
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2011 [18:56:27] <dvs> mms_, it still begs the question why is there a windows partition on the USB drive.
2012 [18:56:44] <mms_> I am not having small 256mb usb so writing deb 7 network boot to it and see if it can help
2013 [18:57:10] <mms_> dvs: I thought from windows using win32 disk imager I will put iso on it
2014 [18:57:31] <dvs> mms_, it does
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2016 [18:57:57] <dvs> mms_, you specify the iso file and the USB drive.
2017 [18:57:59] <mms_> dvs: now I did on small disk let me see if can help
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2019 [18:58:24] <mms_> large usb not detecting any more well it shows in device manager but not in explorer
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2041 [19:07:24] <jelly> FSF-GNU-Fan | FSF-GNU-Soldier : hey, you seem to have 2 connections from the same IP. Dunno if it's intentional or not, and there's no real problem if it is, but maybe you want to check things out on your end
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2065 [19:15:57] <mms_> jelly: neither wheezy net boot works ...same display issue no matter what iso
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2071 [19:19:11] <mms_> from my old mobo it was installed fine and it also boots fine now in new mobo but its not installing
2072 [19:19:50] <mms_> ok I am confused do not remember
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2074 [19:20:05] <mms_> currently its giving incorrect display
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2076 [19:20:19] <mms_> its just blurred thick lines
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2081 [19:21:38] <mms_> it shows main menu fine but on selection does not show fine. if i use debian installer it shows few more screens but then fails as could not mount cdrom
2082 [19:22:15] <mms_> I am doing usb boot not sure what is the issue
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2084 [19:22:31] <dvs> mms_, could not mount cdrom usually means that the USB was not written to properly.
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2086 [19:22:59] <mms_> dvs: ok but tried multiple pen drive and two programns
2087 [19:23:24] <mms_> and different iso too and debian live too was tried
2088 [19:23:29] <jhutchins_wk> mms_: You don't partition or format a boot device, you just write the image to it.
2089 [19:23:31] <mms_> all same issue
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2091 [19:23:51] <mms_> jhutchins_wk: but on writing to it should clear it out right ?
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2093 [19:24:05] <jhutchins_wk> mms_: If you want windows to see a filesystem on the device you need to format it.
2094 [19:24:16] <mms_> jhutchins_wk: ok
2095 [19:24:33] <jhutchins_wk> That is not how you make a boot device though.
2096 [19:24:44] <mms_> let me just clear things on it in linux cfdisk and make it all free space and try to put image on it and see
2097 [19:24:48] <dvs> mms_, but if you don't need to format it if you want to write the ISO to it for installing.
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2101 [19:25:13] <jhutchins_wk> mms_: It should not matter, writing a valid image will overwrite the partition table.
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2108 [19:27:32] <mms_> jhutchins_wk: :-)
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2112 [19:29:15] <bffls> i need help with rooting my android phone
2113 [19:29:25] <mms_> will give last try and hit bed
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2116 [19:29:52] <dvs> bffls, what can we do about that?
2117 [19:29:55] <bffls> i know it has to be script related
2118 [19:30:11] <bffls> fucking tell me what i am doing wrong
2119 [19:30:15] <bffls> idk
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2121 [19:30:40] <bffls> im in parrot os
2122 [19:30:44] <greycat> !parrot
2123 [19:30:45] <dpkg> Parrot Linux is a distribution based on <testing> for security experts, developers and privacy aware people. It is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Support can be found in #parrotsec on Freenode or the community pages replaced-url
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2134 [19:35:09] <greycat> Why is asound.conf so fucking HARD?
2135 [19:36:03] <Kobaz> cuz
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2140 [19:37:24] <greycat> How do I tell ALSA which device to use for default microphone? That's all I'm trying to do.
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2153 [19:42:09] <greycat> OK, I think I got it... but I have to play back the resulting file with sox's "play" instead of alsa's "aplay" so I don't get sped up and sound like a cartoon character.
2154 [19:42:22] <Kobaz> sound in linux just, is fscked
2155 [19:42:35] <Kobaz> i don't know if it's better or worse from 1990
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2157 [19:42:35] <greycat> How the fuck can this shit not just WORK by default and be so completely ludicrously difficult to configure?
2158 [19:43:01] <Kobaz> i think it was better before all these layers... where you just build the emu101k module and then it just works
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2160 [19:43:33] <greycat> I was given a pair of speakers and a USB webcam/microphone thing and told "good luck", basically.
2161 [19:43:49] <vorbis_xtr4> greycat just curious.. is there any reason you're using alsamixer vs pavucontrol ?
2162 [19:43:50] <BazookaTooth> greycat: that's the samplerate bug but i only ever noticed that on pulse
2163 [19:44:19] <greycat> Yes, there's an excellent reason: I'm not running pulseaudio. Hell, I wasn't even running ALSA before today, because this is the work machine and I never had audio hardware before now.
2164 [19:44:28] <jelly> ,v sweethome3d
2165 [19:44:29] <judd> Package: sweethome3d on amd64 -- jessie: 4.5+dfsg-3; stretch: 5.3+dfsg-2; buster: 6.1.2+dfsg-2; bullseye: 6.2+dfsg-1; sid: 6.2+dfsg-1
2166 [19:44:30] <vorbis_xtr4> gotcha
2167 [19:44:39] <BazookaTooth> yeah i figured there was no pulse
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2169 [19:45:18] <vorbis_xtr4> anything preventing you from running pulse?
2170 [19:45:25] <BazookaTooth> one of the tricks is to set all the devices to 44k but that will likely annoy you further heh
2171 [19:45:26] <jelly> greycat: by now, it works if you don't alsa directly and pulseaudio instead
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2174 [19:45:40] <greycat> jelly: ugh. So now I have to learn a whole new batch of stuff...
2175 [19:45:41] <vorbis_xtr4> if you're just trying to "get it to work" .. pavu control might be the easier solution
2176 [19:45:54] <BazookaTooth> jelly: nope. still get samplerate problems sometimes
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2178 [19:46:22] <jelly> greycat: and use PA tools to route inputs and output, pavucontrol is reasonably nice EXCEPT the app has to be actively using an input or output for you to be able to tune the volume
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2182 [19:47:08] <vorbis_xtr4> +1 for pavu control, greycat .. for nothign else than your growing headache
2183 [19:47:27] <BazookaTooth> actually i can recreate one right now by playing something in smplayer and opening the sound settings in cinnamon and the samplerate will change until i restart pulse
2184 [19:47:29] <vorbis_xtr4> if*
2185 [19:47:37] <greycat> OK, moving /etc/asound.conf to /etc/asound.conf.bak and starting all over from scratch
2186 [19:47:48] <lupulo> jelly, is from jellycat?
2187 [19:47:54] <jelly> nope, just jelly
2188 [19:48:11] <jelly> no cats, no fishes
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2191 [19:48:31] <lupulo> replaced-url
2192 [19:48:58] <greycat> pulseaudio wants to install dbus-user-session... how... doesn't that sound kinda important? how was that not already...?
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2195 [19:50:03] <vorbis_xtr4> what distro/version?
2196 [19:50:08] <jelly> greycat: I guess you avoid most of the per-user-session crap til now
2197 [19:50:11] <greycat> Debian 10
2198 [19:50:18] <jelly> avoided*
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2200 [19:51:08] <jelly> and technically you can still avoid that one, but then you'd need to start pulseaudio manually at login or startx time
2201 [19:51:46] <vorbis_xtr4> replaced-url
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2203 [19:51:53] <vorbis_xtr4> possible helpful
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2205 [19:52:02] <jelly> or use it as a global service (don't use the global service)
2206 [19:52:17] <greycat> I'm on replaced-url
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2208 [19:52:42] <vorbis_xtr4> if you don't have a desktop env, it probably assumes you don't need beginner steps :]
2209 [19:52:54] <vorbis_xtr4> but check that link, it may proove helpful
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2211 [19:53:04] <BazookaTooth> ^ arch mentality
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2213 [19:53:27] <vorbis_xtr4> replaced-url
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2215 [19:53:35] <jelly> greycat: well, you can start your X if you X, start an alsa app, and see if pa starts automagically
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2217 [19:53:59] <jelly> if it does you don't _have_ to figure out how or why
2218 [19:54:20] <vorbis_xtr4> good point
2219 [19:54:28] <jelly> BazookaTooth: what is "arch mentality"
2220 [19:55:04] <Sc0utonLinux> Hello, very noob question: if I have an intel i7 which distro architechture do I need to download ? for USB install media ?
2221 [19:55:30] <greycat> OK, I ran "pulseaudio --start" in one of my terminals (since I didn't want to log out and back in), started pavucontrol in another terminal, and ran "aplay foo.wav" in the first terminal, and it seemed to work for playback. Now to try testing recording.
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2224 [19:55:42] <jelly> Sc0utonLinux: amd64. Yes.
2225 [19:56:09] <greycat> Yes, it seemed to record without throwing incomprehensible errors.
2226 [19:56:15] <BazookaTooth> either having fun figuring out the stuff not explained in a wiki entry, or trying to refrain from tossing your computer out of a window
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2228 [19:56:45] <jelly> greycat: it took like 5-8 years to get that to mostly work by default :-)
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2230 [19:56:52] <greycat> Yay, I guess.
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2234 [19:57:44] <Sc0utonLinux> jelly, thx
2235 [19:57:54] <vorbis_xtr4> grats, graycat
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2237 [19:58:27] <Sc0utonLinux> jelly, what i find confusing is that its an intel cpu and not amd :/
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2240 [19:59:01] <greycat> I wonder what I have to put in my dot files, if anything, to make it work when I next login and/or reboot. Oh well. Not going to cross that bridge today.
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2243 [19:59:04] <jelly> Sc0utonLinux: it's still amd64.
2244 [19:59:23] <jelly> they invented it first
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2246 [19:59:49] <jelly> Sc0utonLinux: if you have a laptop with wifi, or say an AMD or Intel GPU, you'll probably benefit from installing from an "unofficial" image with firmware included
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2249 [19:59:54] <jelly> !firmware images
2250 [19:59:54] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
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2252 [20:02:21] <greycat> Hmm... I'm going to pre-emptively restart google-chrome, though. Just in case.
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2255 [20:03:22] <Sc0utonLinux> jelly, thx do you recommend a specific window manager ? im thinking gnome or cinnamon.. im still a noob so Im unsure<
2256 [20:03:50] <jelly> greycat: yes, do that. Browsers typically detect running PA at start
2257 [20:04:15] <jelly> Sc0utonLinux: try many, see what you like.
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2260 [20:04:53] <jelly> spend at least a week or two with each
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2267 [20:07:21] <lupulo> gsettings is connected to dbus?
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2273 [20:11:28] <Sc0utonLinux> jelly, just out of interest whats your personal favourite ?
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2277 [20:13:03] <jelly> Sc0utonLinux: I don't have one. I have a set of feature requirements, and right now KDE and xfce are good enough so I use one of those.
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2285 [20:16:56] <jelly> 1) 2d grid workspaces' Pager (like in fvwm) 2) remembering placement of apps 3) ability to (re)move top/bottom panels (move to on right edge), and some other things that are nice (like panel swallowing X apps and wmaker/*step applets)
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2290 [20:17:48] <jelly> 5) visible systray
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2296 [20:19:39] <jelly> 6) close window button on top right, window prefs on top left, like Windows 2000 had. And so on.
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2299 [20:21:43] <pasiz> kde is quite nice and easily customizable, but memory hoag
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2301 [20:21:58] <pasiz> -a
2302 [20:22:43] <lupulo> enlightenment is cool
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2307 [20:23:38] <pasiz> never tried to measure temperature of window manager. Does normal body temp sensor on laptop fan enough?
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2310 [20:24:00] <lupulo> pasiz, replaced-url
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2313 [20:25:49] <pasiz> lupulo: i used in in 1998 to some years, i use i3 on my desktop
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2321 [20:29:29] <lupulo> pasiz, wow
2322 [20:29:55] <lupulo> pasiz, i first discovered emacs and after enlightenment :-)
2323 [20:30:26] <lupulo> my first distro at university was caldera Linux with gnome
2324 [20:30:39] <lupulo> at home Suse with KDE
2325 [20:31:07] <lupulo> X was my first option :-)
2326 [20:31:29] <pasiz> framebuffer is my first graphics in linux
2327 [20:31:48] <pasiz> before that, you could imagine ;)
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2331 [20:32:54] <Sc0utonLinux> jelly, the version you linked me keeps trying to mount stuff from cdrom and then fails are you sure that was a good iso ?
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2333 [20:34:10] <pasiz> Sc0utonLinux: on installer?
2334 [20:34:28] <lupulo> pasiz, before the game tron sure.
2335 [20:34:29] <pasiz> or how it's mounting stuff
2336 [20:35:01] <Sc0utonLinux> pasiz, yes
2337 [20:35:38] <pasiz> Sc0utonLinux: you have the non-free firmware install iso written to usb
2338 [20:36:03] <Sc0utonLinux> yes
2339 [20:36:09] <Sc0utonLinux> replaced-url
2340 [20:36:12] <pasiz> i installed one debian from it yesterday, without problems
2341 [20:36:32] <pasiz> Sc0utonLinux: you used dd to write it?
2342 [20:36:40] <jelly> Sc0utonLinux: how did you write the usb?
2343 [20:36:58] <Sc0utonLinux> etcher .. it boots fine just in the installation options
2344 [20:37:07] <lupulo> pasiz, do you use elinks from framebuffer?
2345 [20:37:08] <Sc0utonLinux> I chose the EDU version maybe that was wrong .,,,
2346 [20:37:08] <jelly> etcher messes up the image.
2347 [20:37:12] <pasiz> what options?
2348 [20:37:16] <pasiz> lupulo: links
2349 [20:37:25] <karlpinc> Sc0utonLinux: You probably don't want the edu version.
2350 [20:37:25] <jelly> Sc0utonLinux: which OS are you creating the usb on?
2351 [20:37:43] <karlpinc> Sc0utonLinux: But answer the questions about how you wrote the usb.
2352 [20:37:54] <pasiz> Sc0utonLinux: just install
2353 [20:37:59] <pasiz> no edu
2354 [20:38:19] <Sc0utonLinux> choose language, access software for blind person, configure the speech synthesiwer, configure the keyboard, detect and mount cdrom , load installer components from cd , change debconf priority, check the cdroms integritym save debug logsm excute a shell abort the installation
2355 [20:38:22] <jelly> etcher, rufus, unetbootin, they all do things that make debian-installer be very confused about where its files are
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2360 [20:39:08] <pasiz> Sc0utonLinux: what you use to write the usb?
2361 [20:39:09] <Sc0utonLinux> I am on Zorin its based of ubuntu lts 18.04 i believe
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2363 [20:39:33] <pasiz> Sc0utonLinux: and you used what binary on zorin
2364 [20:39:33] <Sc0utonLinux> i used etcher, I can use something else and try again if you have a recommendation
2365 [20:39:40] <pasiz> Sc0utonLinux: use dd
2366 [20:40:08] <pasiz> like "dd if=/path/to/image of=/deb/yourUSB"
2367 [20:40:10] <pasiz> dev
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2369 [20:40:32] <jelly> Sc0utonLinux: so linux? plug the stick in, find out which /dev/sd? device it is, make sure it's unmounted, and then use a simple "cp blah.so /dev/sdf" as root
2370 [20:40:34] <Sc0utonLinux> ok thanks
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2372 [20:40:51] <Sc0utonLinux> i will try again :D
2373 [20:40:58] <jelly> avoid dd, it can be slow for no good reason
2374 [20:41:04] <Sc0utonLinux> and not the EDU version ?
2375 [20:41:17] <pasiz> jelly: with bs=reasonable value it isn't
2376 [20:41:18] <jelly> if you have internet access just use the netinst
2377 [20:41:27] <pasiz> Sc0utonLinux: no edu
2378 [20:41:37] <jelly> pasiz: you did not tell them a command line with bs=reasonable
2379 [20:41:50] <jelly> cp will pick a block size on its own.
2380 [20:42:03] <Sc0utonLinux> ok ok.. ill re download .. dont i need to format the drive first btw?
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2382 [20:42:11] <jelly> no, you don't
2383 [20:42:24] <jelly> just make sure it's not mounted, before overwriting again
2384 [20:42:41] <pasiz> jelly: sorry for confusing, i sometimes assume some understanding of portable computers
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2386 [20:43:04] <Sc0utonLinux> im a real noob
2387 [20:43:07] <Sc0utonLinux> firmware-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso
2388 [20:43:13] <pasiz> Sc0utonLinux: yes
2389 [20:43:16] <Sc0utonLinux> thats what im downloading now
2390 [20:43:26] <dvs> that's the best one
2391 [20:43:29] <pasiz> with dmesg after you plug your usb you could see the device
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2393 [20:43:55] <pasiz> to write
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2395 [20:44:18] <pasiz> and before writing, double check you are writing to right block device
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2398 [20:45:01] <Sc0utonLinux> its finished downloading pluging usb now :D
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2403 [20:47:11] <twanny796> .
2404 [20:48:03] <dvs> ?
2405 [20:48:27] <Sc0utonLinux> ive unmounted and the usb is : /dev/nvme0n1p1 .. im in the directory with the iso so "dd if=firmware-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso of-/dev/nvme0n1p1" correct ?
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2407 [20:48:55] <jelly> that's not likely to be usb.
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2409 [20:49:05] <dvs> that's no USB drive, that a SSD NVMe style
2410 [20:49:11] <jelly> that's an ssd partition
2411 [20:49:22] <Sc0utonLinux> ups
2412 [20:49:22] <greycat> it's not a USB device, and it's a partition, not a disk, and it's of= not of-, and you didn't specify a block size...
2413 [20:49:23] <Sc0utonLinux> yes
2414 [20:49:31] <jelly> Sc0utonLinux: pastebin or screenshot the output of "lsblk"
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2416 [20:49:50] <Sc0utonLinux> /dev/sdb
2417 [20:49:57] <Sc0utonLinux> thats it sorry
2418 [20:49:59] <jelly> or figure out the right device from that output yourself, based on size
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2421 [20:50:02] <dvs> better
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2423 [20:50:18] <dvs> but still a bit weary now
2424 [20:50:32] <jelly> Sc0utonLinux: if nothing sdb* is mounted, just do "cp firmware-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb"
2425 [20:50:39] <jelly> (as root)
2426 [20:51:07] <dvs> I'd feel better with an fdisk -l list
2427 [20:51:19] <jelly> and a sync after that for good measure
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2436 [20:56:01] <Sc0utonLinux> so what4s the difference between cp and dd ?
2437 [20:56:48] <Sc0utonLinux> CP just copies the content no ? dont i need to set the drive to bootable and so on ?
2438 [20:57:02] <greycat> cp chooses a block size that isn't stupidly small
2439 [20:57:11] <greycat> dd uses a block size of 512 bytes by default
2440 [20:57:30] <dvs> and dd will automatically sync at the end
2441 [20:57:36] <greycat> the "content" of the *.iso file is a whole disk image, MBR, partition table, etc.
2442 [20:57:44] <jelly> Sc0utonLinux: cp in this case copies the image which has a format and a partition table and bootable flags already in it
2443 [20:58:06] <Sc0utonLinux> oh cool
2444 [20:58:13] <Sc0utonLinux> thats really clever
2445 [20:58:14] <greycat> that's why you copy it to /dev/sdb rather than /dev/sdb1
2446 [20:58:28] <Sc0utonLinux> makes sense
2447 [20:58:30] <jelly> no need to do anything else with it
2448 [20:59:09] <lupulo> pasiz, was you IT worker before you know Linux?
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2450 [20:59:47] <jelly> (in fact the image has like 3 separate ways to be booted, so it works when burned on a cd/dvd, when booted on legacy bios boot, and when booted on an uefi system)(
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2452 [21:00:50] <jelly> maybe four. I don't know if there's a different way for CDs on UEFI.
2453 [21:00:56] <Sc0utonLinux> is that true for all linux distro images or a debian speciality ?
2454 [21:01:15] <dvs> debian specifically
2455 [21:01:37] <Sc0utonLinux> btw if I want to setup a dm raid it's still just the normal graphical installer right ? or do i need to add an option ?
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2457 [21:02:23] <dvs> Sc0utonLinux, the one you have is a text installer by default.
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2463 [21:04:28] <Sc0utonLinux> offers "graphical install" as first selection and then "install" ill use install then :)
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2465 [21:05:30] <Sc0utonLinux> its doing the cdrom searching thing again
2466 [21:05:43] <Sc0utonLinux> load cdrom drivers from removable media
2467 [21:06:12] <Sc0utonLinux> i selected no... and now it4s going all red again .. installation step failed ect
2468 [21:06:25] <Sc0utonLinux> same options as i typed before
2469 [21:06:52] <Sc0utonLinux> choose language .... abort the instllation
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2473 [21:09:57] <dvs> Sc0utonLinux, why did you pick no to load drivers?
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2475 [21:10:23] <Sc0utonLinux> it does it automatically
2476 [21:10:30] <Sc0utonLinux> ill restart
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2490 [21:15:53] <Sc0utonLinux> Its booted: I hit "install" ... - language: english , country: UK , keyboard: French, next screen: 2detect and mount cdrom no common cdrom drive was deteced .. you may need to load .. ect load cdrom drivers from removable media ? yes or no ?
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2492 [21:16:43] <dvs> yes
2493 [21:17:19] <Sc0utonLinux> wait i think i copied the wrong iso making a new usb
2494 [21:17:21] <dvs> Oh, you don't have another disk with drivers, right?
2495 [21:17:28] <Sc0utonLinux> i dont
2496 [21:17:50] <dvs> what ISO did you copy?
2497 [21:18:18] <Sc0utonLinux> firmware 10.30 amd net inst
2498 [21:18:30] <dvs> that's correct.
2499 [21:18:37] <Sc0utonLinux> now i did debi 10.3.0 qmd netinst
2500 [21:18:44] <dvs> that's wrong
2501 [21:19:16] <Sc0utonLinux> the firmware one is correct?
2502 [21:19:21] <dvs> yes
2503 [21:20:32] <Sc0utonLinux> i think it may have been the USB key 32gb that was faulty somehow ..
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2505 [21:22:21] <lupulo> jelly, but openbsd only works with dd, not with cp. i don't know why (documentation says it)
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2511 [21:25:55] <Sc0utonLinux> ok it was definitly the USB the firmware virsion now works too
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2523 [21:38:22] <Sc0utonLinux> Looking very nice so far : now I gotta decide on the window manager
2524 [21:38:24] <Sc0utonLinux> hmmm
2525 [21:38:42] <Sc0utonLinux> I can install multiple right ? Im wondering which is the most supported ..
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2527 [21:40:16] <greycat> Yes, you can install as many as you like. One of them will be the "default", and that's selected by update-alternatives. But you can always specify the one you want in your ~/.xsession file, or as an argument to startx.
2528 [21:41:04] <annadane> none of them are more or less supported than any other one
2529 [21:41:09] <annadane> (but use xfce, it's awesome)
2530 [21:41:20] <annadane> (biased)
2531 [21:41:26] <greycat> some of them are more popular than others, and therefore get a lot more testing
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2538 [21:45:48] <Sc0utonLinux> hehe :) ok
2539 [21:46:07] <Sc0utonLinux> greycat, those would be the 3 big ones . kde xfce and gnome ?
2540 [21:46:55] <greycat> Those are desktop environments, not just window managers. But yes, I'd say those are the 3 most common user interface choices.
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2543 [21:49:29] <sponix2ipfw> Sc0utonLinux: Cinnamon is fairly popular also, not sure where it rates though
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2546 [21:49:56] <greycat> cinnamon and mate are forks of gnome from an older version, IIRC
2547 [21:50:14] <sponix2ipfw> greycat: Yeah, something to that effect
2548 [21:50:26] <Sc0utonLinux> greycat, you can tell that im still just learning.. can't you haha .. im didn't realise there was a difference between a window manager and desktop environment ..
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2550 [21:51:13] <greycat> A window manager is a lot smaller and simpler. Desktop environments include a window manager plus a whole lot of other stuff that I don't even understand.
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2552 [21:52:17] <annadane> if you just want a window manager then you can try fluxbox or openbox
2553 [21:52:26] <annadane> or i3 if you don't want to touch the mouse, it's a tiling wm
2554 [21:53:03] <annadane> though you may want to at least start with fluxbox, openbox is *just* a blank screen to start (you have to right/middle click on the desktop to start doing anything)
2555 [21:53:03] <greycat> fvwm is also quite popular with us old-timers
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2560 [21:53:37] <annadane> though what annoys me with fluxbox is you can't actually rearrange windows in the taskbar, which you can (and quickly) with openbox with tint2
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2564 [21:55:06] <annadane> and openbox, well, if you're not editing keybinds with lxhotkey-plugin-openbox, figuring out the syntax for editing keybinds is annoying
2565 [21:55:41] <annadane> and usually involves you manually creating .config/openbox and copying everything from /etc/xdg/openbox or whatever it is
2566 [21:56:07] <annadane> (but isn't /etc just system wide? it is, but openbox only reads from the user's local files, unless that's just an initial thing)
2567 [21:56:17] <annadane> i don't know about it entirely, feel free to experiment
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2569 [21:56:46] <greycat> typically, if a program has configs in /etc and in $HOME/, the ones in $HOME will override the ones in /etc
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2571 [21:58:15] <annadane> it will but i'm not sure that openbox automatically reads the ones from /etc
2572 [21:58:19] <annadane> i have to look at it again
2573 [21:58:21] <annadane> i might be wrong
2574 [21:58:58] <annadane> which is likely considering openbox has reached feature maturity for years, surely it's able to read from /etc
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2582 [22:02:32] <jhutchins_wk> Can you bind mount a subdirectory?
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2584 [22:02:36] <jhutchins_wk> ie mount -o bind /home/fred /home/sue/fred?
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2609 [22:23:39] <lwp> jhutchins_wk: yes
2610 [22:23:48] <p2hc> \l
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2612 [22:24:40] <Sc0utonLinux> thanks for all the input and feedback everyone :)
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2614 [22:25:30] <Sc0utonLinux> I decided to try out xfce first :) and Debian is now booted :) -- although for some reason my task bar and menus are not on my primary display but on one of the other ones :/
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2618 [22:26:08] <Sc0utonLinux> if anyone has a good tutorial or any advice on what i should start off with, that would be highly apreciated
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2622 [22:27:31] <dvs> Sc0utonLinux, I know how to configure the screens in KDE, but not XFCE.
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2624 [22:28:33] <BazookaTooth> xfce4-settings-manager > display
2625 [22:28:37] <Sc0utonLinux> thats a shame screens are ok .. just my panels dont want to budge
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2629 [22:30:59] <Sc0utonLinux> Ha HA! found it :)
2630 [22:31:06] <annadane> oh good
2631 [22:31:16] <annadane> i was worried xfce was so old that it wouldn't let you move stuff across monitors
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2634 [22:32:46] <Sc0utonLinux> annadane, is it that old ? :O hasnt been updated much ?
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2637 [22:35:01] <annadane> the one in stable is like, 5 years old
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2640 [22:35:12] <annadane> there is a newer version but not in debian stable
2641 [22:35:33] <annadane> though the thing with xfce, there aren't major changes between versions, unlike GNOME; it aims for stability
2642 [22:35:51] <dvs> and sanity
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2645 [22:36:48] <Sc0utonLinux> im liking it very much .. so far it seems super FAST, functional and highly customisable
2646 [22:37:09] <Sc0utonLinux> Im hoping I can make it look cool too though :P .. some of the icons remind me of windows 95 currently ...
2647 [22:37:18] <annadane> yep. everything else i use feels like i have to fight to use it and "feels" like a desktop, which is bad, i want it to be seamless
2648 [22:38:02] <annadane> yeah well you can change the icons, there may be a debian package for more icons (though you can use icons from another desktop on it)... you can also in general see xfce-look.org if you don't like the current stuff
2649 [22:38:19] <annadane> note xfce in debian stable can't use gtk3, so you'd have to select from gtk2 theme
2650 [22:38:20] <annadane> s
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2656 [22:41:37] <jhutchins_wk> lwp: Actual problem appears to be that /home/fred doesn't exist.
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2658 [22:42:10] <Sc0utonLinux> annadane, if i want gtk3 i need to update my debian to a different version ?
2659 [22:42:32] <annadane> there's a newer xfce in testing but i don't necessarily recommend using debian testing
2660 [22:42:46] <annadane> the MATE desktop environment is also decent if you want prettier themes
2661 [22:42:55] <annadane> although to me personally... blah
2662 [22:43:33] <jhutchins_wk> Switching to testing for a theme sounds like a bad idea.
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2664 [22:43:55] <dvs> agreed
2665 [22:44:00] <jhutchins_wk> I guess if the computer is for looks and not for actually doing things...
2666 [22:44:10] <dvs> especially with the time spent installing stable in the first place.
2667 [22:44:49] <Sc0utonLinux> I will stay with stable .. was just curious :)
2668 [22:44:57] * annadane wishes fluxbox could do certain things that i want, its themes are indeed very pretty
2669 [22:45:31] <Sc0utonLinux> jhutchins_wk, why cant it be both :) look good and do things haha
2670 [22:45:34] <annadane> there were more themes in xfce for window decorations but that package got removed in debian 10 lol for whatever reason
2671 [22:46:42] <Sc0utonLinux> would you say Mate might be a better trade-off in terms of being prettier but still fast :D ?
2672 [22:46:49] <annadane> sure
2673 [22:47:02] <annadane> i just think xfce does panels better which is a big reason why i prefer it
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2676 [22:47:20] <annadane> you can probably make xfce very pretty by using something from the website i linked but i haven't really tried any
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2678 [22:47:46] <bambam> always afraid i'm going to mess up my settings if I change window decor or use themes , as don't think there is a 'reset default' option
2679 [22:47:53] <annadane> one annoyance with xfce being as old as it is is that the file manager thunar doesn't apply the current theme as the file manager background all the time
2680 [22:48:36] <annadane> it does with adwaita-dark, but not other things so you might get all your other things looking a certain way and then thunar is just a white background
2681 [22:48:40] <bambam> thunar has no apparent ability to move files to a chosen dir afaict
2682 [22:48:56] <Sc0utonLinux> haha
2683 [22:49:05] <Sc0utonLinux> so thunar is like an old man :P
2684 [22:49:16] <annadane> (speaking of white, we are in 2020, why does firefox STILL flash white when you transition between websites?)
2685 [22:49:18] <Sc0utonLinux> to stubborn to change
2686 [22:49:37] <jhutchins_wk> xfce mostly stays out of my way.
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2688 [22:50:19] <Sc0utonLinux> i made a vertical pannel when i add items they are on the side .. i wanted them to seperate vertically ... hmpf
2689 [22:50:29] <bambam> if i could write bash regex better maybe it wouldn't matter
2690 [22:50:35] <Sc0utonLinux> i mean horozontally
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2693 [22:50:48] <annadane> yeah you can't rotate panel item pictures
2694 [22:50:55] <annadane> no idea if you can do that in 4.14
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2697 [22:52:09] <annadane> or well, possibly you can, i don't think you can but i've never tried it
2698 [22:52:20] <tw> bambam: wouldn't you drag and drop the selected files between two thunar windows?
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2704 [22:57:52] <bambam> tw: think i tried that
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2721 [23:13:58] <lupulo> pasiz, i remembered mandrake, it was really cool
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2726 [23:18:44] <unborn> lupulo: it was, I remember it too...
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2734 [23:22:18] <jhutchins> Yeah, but it went down hill.
2735 [23:23:02] <jhutchins> You couldn't really use it for servers because they relesed with broken packages, and they let the IRC channel get really nasty.
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2737 [23:23:59] <jhutchins> The release where dovecot wouldn't even start because the config file format had changed and they hadn't updated it, obcciously hadn't tested was what did it for me.
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2739 [23:24:53] <JordiGH> Mandriva?
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2743 [23:26:51] <dvs> mandrake
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2757 [23:34:46] <unborn> jhutchins: yeah I remember those dark days, well that's why I moved to gentoo :D even darker days there however when set up everything was like atomic clocks till new kernel release meh finally loved debian save my life.
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