• 0[00:00:08] <abrotman> sources.list ...
• 1[00:01:13] <Ede|Popede> would an upstream version even work w/o problems?
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• 3[00:01:58] <zeedee> replaced-url
• 4[00:02:22] <Ede|Popede> hehe, spam alert!
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• 6[00:02:59] <abrotman> zeedee: why are you asking us instead of the ubuntu channel?
• 7[00:03:13] <Ede|Popede> so not CREATING the paste is problematic, but READING it. *fp*
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• 9[00:03:36] <Ede|Popede> oh. well.
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• 11[00:03:43] <abrotman> Ede|Popede: I'll spoil it for you, all Xenial sources
• 12[00:04:17] <Ede|Popede> abrotman: including /raw circumvents even the detector, not only the html
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• 15[00:04:36] <zeedee> one machine has gnupg 2.2.4, the other was 1.4.something. i was trying to get the other upgraded because of percieved issues with gpg. prob more user error
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• 18[00:04:49] <abrotman> zeedee: you need to ask #ubuntu
• 19[00:04:51] <michele-> is wayland or xorg the default X server in debian 10.3?
• 20[00:05:02] <zeedee> abrotman: i like you guys more :)...no reason really
• 21[00:05:08] <zeedee> sorry if worng
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• 23[00:05:47] <Ede|Popede> zeedee: and as basic rule, hands off apt country (look into the FHS which areas are under control of root and users)
• 24[00:06:02] <Ede|Popede> unless you REALLY know what you're doing
• 25[00:06:08] <zeedee> FHS...first i heard
• 26[00:06:24] <Ede|Popede> !fhs
• 27[00:06:24] <dpkg> Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See replaced-url
• 28[00:06:46] <Ede|Popede> one of the first documents i've read (then called fsstnd)
• 29[00:06:54] <abrotman> really, #ubuntu
• 30[00:07:00] <zeedee> ahh, ok
• 31[00:07:03] <abrotman> Support them there if you want to continue
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• 33[00:07:27] <zeedee> abrotman: i understand. thanks for the help here. much appreciate
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• 35[00:08:46] <zeedee> Ede|Popede: all xenial for sure
• 36[00:08:54] <swimma> /dev/sda1 use:100% mount on: /
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• 39[00:09:53] <zeedee> adios peeps, thx again
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• 43[00:10:45] <knob> Hello. I am trying to install Debian 10 into a Dell XPS 14z. The installation at the beginning asked me for firmware files (network) iwlwifi-6999g2b.ucode
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• 45[00:10:46] <Ede|Popede> swimma: full root fs?
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• 48[00:11:17] <knob> I downloaded and placed it into a USB... yet the installation doesn't "read" it. I was wondering if I have to format the USB in FAT or FAT32? Right now it's formatted in NTFS
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• 51[00:11:34] <dvs> !tell knob about firmware iso
• 52[00:11:51] <knob> Thanks dvs ... checking that out now
• 53[00:12:12] <swimma> Yesterday I clean from dust pc, I moved CPU and RAM and replace. Then PC work for all the day, but now when I try to login I've this error: unable to write to /tmp : Xsession may exit with an error
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• 55[00:13:17] <hemimaniac> swimma: sounds like your /tmp folder may be full
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• 57[00:14:27] <hemimaniac> you could go in thru recovery mode or boot to a live environment and clean it out
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• 67[00:16:37] <Ede|Popede> swimma: can you login to a text console? (switch with Ctrl-Alt-F1 and login, fix it, get back with Alt-F7)
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• 70[00:16:46] <swimma> Yes
• 71[00:16:52] <swimma> I'm in recovery mode
• 72[00:17:14] <swimma> and I'm using another pc i'm writinh
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• 75[00:17:54] <knob> dvs, downloaded that image... copying it into a usb now. Will update how it goes soon. Thank you!
• 76[00:18:10] <dvs> np
• 77[00:18:11] <Ede|Popede> /tmp is on the same partition as / i guess? 100% full? root still should have some extra space (the usual 5% reserved)
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• 80[00:19:08] <Ede|Popede> swimma: how big is your root fs? maybe the package cache filled it up, or do you have a lot in /root? /home is its own partition?
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• 82[00:19:52] <swimma> 9480420
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• 84[00:20:45] <swimma> yes home it's apart
• 85[00:20:58] <Ede|Popede> 9GB? is this the available space or /root?
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• 90[00:22:17] <swimma> available space 0; used 9312436; 1K-blocks 9480420;
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• 94[00:23:24] <swimma> in /dev/sda1
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• 96[00:24:37] <Ede|Popede> uh. so you may want to free some space. i suspect either user data in /root or lots of packages in /var/cache/apt/archives
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• 98[00:26:13] <knob> dvs it's working beautifully. Thanks. The wifi driver I will try and install later via apt-get... yet at least the ethernet is up and running
• 99[00:26:15] <knob> :)
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• 108[00:29:52] <greatgatsby> swimma, you could try something like `sudo du -hs /* 2>/dev/null` and then drill down into any those directories that might be the culprit
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• 125[00:38:36] <swimma> What Can In do in remote mode, to clean /tmp. Because, during I'm watching youtube, an message says, I've not enought space.
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• 127[00:42:19] <swimma> I can use only recovery mode text console, I can't login.
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• 132[00:44:41] <Ede|Popede> swimma: not the directory needs cleaning, but something on the partition it is on. /tmp may even be empty (it should right after reboot)
• 133[00:45:32] <Ede|Popede> the msg may just mean that the program wasn't able to write into /tmp due to a full fs
• 134[00:45:59] <Ede|Popede> i still suspect either /root or the apt cache
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• 143[00:48:21] <swimma> If I try to reinstall, I probably resolve it?
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• 147[00:49:07] <Whyvn> I am on Buster and I have clang version 7 installed as well as clang version 8. A program I want to test with clang version 8 and clang version9/10. Version 9/10 are on bulls-eye testing. What is the recommeded way of installing from testing branch on bulls-eye and how can I change the clang version to my prefered version? right now clang --version shows version 7.
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• 151[00:50:22] <Ede|Popede> swimma: overkill. just free some space.
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• 158[00:57:31] <Whyvn> Can I install a specific package from testing without moving my whole system to testing?
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• 176[01:17:59] <swimma> How can I move up and down in Terminal? The cursor allow me only to write something
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• 178[01:19:27] <swimma> I find!
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• 203[01:39:27] <ArrowPuck> So, I installed git-all, and now on the login screen it just says “Authentication error” over and over, like if I were just pressing return constantly… I’m actually doing this separately on two laptops, so one is stuck on that screen, and with the other I did a hard reboot. On the one I rebooted, it will start, but there is no GUI (only running from the terminal). Is this fixable?
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• 208[01:41:14] <Nidhoegger> hi. is there a way to get a amd 5700 xt running in debian 10?
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• 212[01:44:55] <ArrowPuck> Not only does wifi not appear to work, even when I am plugged directly into the modem, I try to ping google.com and its just like “ping: google.com: Name or service not known”
• 213[01:45:32] <ArrowPuck> same command works perfectly with the computer I am on now, running osx
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• 230[01:55:06] <ArrowPuck> I figure this happened immediately after installing git-all… lets try purging git-all and rebooting… fingers crossed
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• 236[01:59:06] <ArrowPuck> yeah, that didn’t work…
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• 245[02:05:27] <ArrowPuck> alright, well, I’m just going to do a clean install on the one I rebooted… I can still ssh with this machine into the other one that just wont log in, so if there is something I can do where I don’t have to clean install on that one too, advice is appreciated
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• 248[02:08:19] <ArrowPuck> I’m obviously still kind of green with this linux stuff… these are all practice machines. Really didn’t think it would be this easy to completely screw it up
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• 254[02:10:15] <taserface> start with `ip a` maybe
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• 268[02:16:49] <ArrowPuck> i mean, it doesn’t produce any errors with the one I’m logged into
• 269[02:16:57] <ArrowPuck> ip a, i mean
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• 275[02:22:24] <taserface> do you have an icon up the top right that says something about networking when you hover over it
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• 279[02:24:21] <Mr_Queue> Is this wiki entry still good for Debian 10? replaced-url
• 280[02:24:40] <ArrowPuck> no… its just volume, battery power, and the menu… bluetooth is on for what thats worth
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• 282[02:24:50] <Mr_Queue> I've a /29 I'd like to add.
• 283[02:25:39] <taserface> ArrowPuck: no networkmanager installed/running by the sound of it
• 284[02:25:45] <taserface> not sure how you got there though
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• 286[02:27:25] <ArrowPuck> i mean, i’m stuck on the login page for the laptop itself…
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• 289[02:28:56] <ArrowPuck> the osx machine is logged into the debian machine though, so I can still run commands if i need to… supposedly
• 290[02:30:49] <taserface> oh right, so you have networking
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• 295[02:31:36] <ArrowPuck> yeah… the one i rebooted doesn’t have networking, but I’m reinstalling debian on that one now, so thats done
• 296[02:32:38] <ArrowPuck> maybe purging git-all and rebooting?
• 297[02:32:56] <ArrowPuck> like, maybe the hard reboot was what messed up the other one
• 298[02:34:16] <ArrowPuck> its not a tragic loss if it doesn’t work… again, this is all just practice…
• 299[02:34:30] <tds> Mr_Queue: you want the "iproute2 method" from that page
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• 301[02:36:13] <ArrowPuck> i got carried away… i forgot the don’t break debian rule…
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• 319[02:49:55] <ArrowPuck> So, from this machine I attempted to purge git-all, then I did apt update, and rebooted… while rebooting, I had the familiar start up font… but i notice that the font changes slightly after this particular message:Waiting for /dev to be fully populated…[48.215604] Support for cores revisions 0x17 and 0x18 disabled by module param allhwsupport=0. Try b43.allhwsupport=1
• 320[02:52:01] <somiaj> ArrowPuck: have you tried to boot into say multi-user.target vs graphical, or maybe singleuser-target (might be some init service causing the problem)
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• 322[02:52:29] <ArrowPuck> no i haven’t. what is that?
• 323[02:52:30] <somiaj> or maybe if you are ssh into the system, you see if any services are failing
• 324[02:52:40] <ArrowPuck> i can’t ssh into it anymore
• 325[02:52:56] <somiaj> systemd uses targets (this are similar to run levels), they control how many services are ran during boot
• 326[02:53:00] <ArrowPuck> it must be a firmware thing, right?
• 327[02:54:59] <ArrowPuck> ok… so how should i try to do the singleuser-target?
• 328[02:55:25] <somiaj> Not something I know off the top of my head, looking it up
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• 330[02:56:16] <ArrowPuck> i’m wondering what all hardware support = 0 means? I know b43 is a firmware thing…
• 331[02:57:45] <somiaj> this is just for the wifi card, not sure why that would affect your system like that. I guess I was mistaken, I don't see a singleuser target, I see other targets.
• 332[02:58:15] <somiaj> anyways, you can boot the system by using bash as your init process and try to track down the issue, but I can't think of what the issue could be. But now it isn't booting at all?
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• 335[02:59:21] <somiaj> but in grub, you can hit 'e' to edit the boot options, and you could go remove those kernel options and see if that changes things
• 336[02:59:41] <ArrowPuck> it boots, but now its without GUI or internet
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• 338[03:00:03] <somiaj> so you can login to a console?
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• 340[03:00:13] <ArrowPuck> yeah
• 341[03:00:40] <somiaj> well that should give you enough to start poking around, do you have another network card besides this b43 one?
• 342[03:01:08] <ArrowPuck> i don’t think so… this is just an old toshiba laptop
• 343[03:01:30] <somiaj> there isn't a wried card too?
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• 345[03:03:25] <ArrowPuck> a wired card? not that familiar with hardware to be honest. I mean, its plugged into the internet with an ethernet cable, but its like its not even there
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• 347[03:04:32] <somiaj> ahh for somereason I thought broadcom was a wireless card, anyways I would suggest reinstalling the firwmare for the broadcom card, but it can be a bit of work if you don't have an internet connection
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• 349[03:05:37] <ArrowPuck> i’m looking at this ubuntu forum… replaced-url
• 350[03:05:55] <somiaj> actually I think the broadcom is a wireless card, 'lspci | grep -i network' do you see more than one card?
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• 352[03:07:05] <ArrowPuck> it says: 02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Limited BCM4313 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adaptor (rev 01)
• 353[03:07:35] <somiaj> yea that is a wireless card, do you also have a ehternet port (wired card) you can use?
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• 356[03:08:05] <ArrowPuck> I have an ethernet cable plugged into it right now…
• 357[03:08:52] <somiaj> your wired card is different, lets see if we can figure out what wired chipset you use. 'lspci | grep -i ethernet'
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• 362[03:10:11] <ArrowPuck> it says: 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR8152 v1.1 Fast Ethernet (rev c1)
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• 364[03:12:50] <somiaj> so your wired card is an atheros, lets see if we can figure out why it isn't up. 'ip a' list all the cards you see besides lo
• 365[03:13:16] <somiaj> do you use network manager to manage your network (a common gui tool)
• 366[03:13:57] <ArrowPuck> enp1s0 and wlp2s0b1
• 367[03:14:18] <ArrowPuck> no, i don’t… was a pretty fresh debian install
• 368[03:14:35] <somiaj> enp1s0 is your wired card, 'cat /etc/network/interfaces' do you see enp1s0 there?
• 369[03:15:46] <ArrowPuck> no, it doesn’t look like it
• 370[03:16:24] <ArrowPuck> on one line it says: auto lo
• 371[03:16:31] <somiaj> well I can probably get your wired card up, edit that file and add the following line, 'iface enp1s0 inet dhcp', then save the file, the run 'ifup enp1s0'
• 372[03:16:35] <ArrowPuck> and on the other it says: iface lo inet loopback
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• 374[03:17:56] <timothywcrane> cupt package manager... anyone familiar?
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• 376[03:20:41] <ArrowPuck> ok… this looks promising
• 377[03:20:51] <cybercrypto> v, libdislocker
• 378[03:21:03] <ArrowPuck> it works!
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• 380[03:21:34] <cybercrypto> ,v libdislocker
• 381[03:21:35] <judd> No package named 'libdislocker' was found in amd64.
• 382[03:21:40] <ArrowPuck> I’m amazed… thank you!
• 383[03:21:46] <somiaj> ArrowPuck: I'm unsure what those b43 things being added for your wifi card are, but now you have internet this should help you figure things out
• 384[03:22:15] <somiaj> ArrowPuck: if you add a line 'allow-hotplug enp1s0' it will bring up that interface when you plug it in during boot
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• 387[03:23:28] <ArrowPuck> done… any idea how something like this could have happened in the first place?
• 388[03:23:59] <somiaj> not sure, I don't have enough information
• 389[03:24:03] <ArrowPuck> i mean, for sure it happened right after i installed git-all
• 390[03:24:14] <somiaj> most likely you use network-manager, and did something that lost your gui.
• 391[03:24:19] <somiaj> I doubt git-all has anything to do with this
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• 393[03:24:53] <ArrowPuck> its literally the only thing I did… i installed it on one machine, and then i installed it on the next, and the both crapped out
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• 396[03:27:40] <ArrowPuck> well anyway, thank you…
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• 402[03:36:07] <somiaj> That seems fairly strange, I do not see why git-all would have anything to do with this. Did you reboot after installing git-all, maybe installing the package higlighted somethign that was already wrong
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• 409[03:43:53] <ArrowPuck> I didn’t reboot right away… after installing, I looked away for a bit and the screen went black like normal… but when it was asking for the password, it kept flashing “Authentication Failed” and wouldnt let me type anything for my password. It was like it was spamming the return key or something
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• 411[03:45:24] <ArrowPuck> it did that on both machines… same issue. On the first machine, I was installing vim and wanted to install ale, which is why i needed to install git
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• 414[03:46:55] <ArrowPuck> but since i was working on it, the screen didn’t have a chance to go black on that one. I figured as long as I was setting up vim on one machine, I’d set it up on the other. I had vim installed for about a week on the other one, no problem. but i wanted to play with plug-ins
• 415[03:47:18] <somiaj> well I personally don't see what git-all would do to cause this, except maybe in the install trigger the problem.
• 416[03:47:32] <somiaj> Did you use the same install medium on both machines that had this issue?
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• 418[03:48:04] <ArrowPuck> install medium? I mean, I was using apt if thats what you mean
• 419[03:48:17] <somiaj> I mean the install usb/cd/image you used for the initial install
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• 421[03:48:33] <ArrowPuck> yeah, off a usb drive
• 422[03:49:12] <somiaj> I wonder if the usb drive (or .iso you wrote to it) are corrupt, causing some issue in the install. This to me seems the most likely cause (not git-all)
• 423[03:49:13] <ArrowPuck> debian 10.3.0 amd64
• 424[03:49:43] <ArrowPuck> i mean, it could be
• 425[03:50:14] <ArrowPuck> so git-all is trusted like that? i wasn’t a fool for trying to install it?
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• 428[03:51:40] <somiaj> git all is just a debian metapackage that pulls in a full collection of git packages. I see no reason why a git server and git tools would do what you described.
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• 430[03:52:18] <somiaj> all debian packages are trusted, and have been well tested, if this was a common occurance it most likely would have been spoted as bug during the release cycle.
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• 436[03:54:05] <ArrowPuck> hmm… ok… well on the macbook here, when this thing is ready, first thing i’ll do is install git-all to see what happens…
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• 439[03:54:59] <Krennic> i just make a fresh git install and no problem no package corrupt
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• 446[03:59:52] <ArrowPuck> that seems like probably a good idea… the less clutter the better, but at the same time, git-all should work with a fresh debian install right? if it screws it up, it means theres some kind of corruption in the operating system i’m trying to install
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• 449[04:02:34] <somiaj> Because debian is well tested, and you are the only one I've seen (though I ahve a low sample size) with this issue, it to me would be far more likley a problem with your isntall medium/prcedure than the package itself.
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• 460[04:10:28] <ArrowPuck> seems reasonable to me
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• 462[04:10:51] <ArrowPuck> its all about narrowing down the problem
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• 521[05:17:00] <timothywcrane> trying to pare system down... boy flatpaks suck at storage use. almost 4 GB for old GIMP (and that's saying something running standard deb repos). 64 MB says synaptic. Am I missing something. How is this good?
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• 546[05:37:00] <taserface> 4GB for gimp is pretty weak
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• 548[05:37:28] <taserface> then again if it's a serious download maybe some people will take it more seriously
• 549[05:37:42] <taserface> "wow gimp must have improved a LOT"
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• 560[05:49:31] <timothywcrane> its all the "batteries included" snaps aren't much better.
• 561[05:49:55] <timothywcrane> if I wanted everything inline I would pull out the vic20
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• 576[06:01:31] <acidtripper> LOAD /home/lechuck/nicktrace.pl
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• 581[06:08:41] <john__> Why do people pick Ubuntu over Debian, when people can customize their Debian install to act like Ubuntu?
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• 585[06:12:22] <somiaj> popularity, ease of use, it is what X said is the best, lots of reasons. It could also be people like it better
• 586[06:12:48] <somiaj> age of software and access to ppa's are another eason for those who have sns
• 587[06:13:39] <diogenes_> and snaps to replace apt :)
• 588[06:13:56] <john__> Should I try out Debian in the future, if I am currently using Pop OS daily?
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• 590[06:14:10] <john__> And why are people hating this snaps thing?
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• 592[06:16:56] <somiaj> I don't think people hate snaps, they just have a different market. Shared libaries are just liked for many things
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• 594[06:22:05] <somiaj> Your call if you want to try debian or not. I like it a lot, but at some level the os one uses should is personal choice, software (including versions) avaiable, and support/community
• 595[06:23:09] <ArrowPuck> btw, fresh debian install, first thing i do is install git-all, the thing tanks… so you think i’m installing a corrupted operating system?
• 596[06:23:10] <annadane> AFAIK ubuntu sort of... forcibly integrates snaps
• 597[06:23:19] <annadane> snaps in general aren't standardized like flatpaks are
• 598[06:23:30] <annadane> ie putting files in non standard locations
• 599[06:23:39] <annadane> or just, not standardized in general
• 600[06:23:51] <somiaj> Policy and philosophy of the os is also important (debian main is free and meets the DSFG, while ubuntu doesn't care as much about that)
• 601[06:24:09] <annadane> so ubuntu's forcing of snaps plus the lack of standardization is a clue why people dislike snaps
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• 605[06:26:50] <ArrowPuck> i’ll start from the beginning… new debian download, etcher, install the os, install git-all, and see what happens…
• 606[06:27:22] <annadane> !etcher
• 607[06:27:22] <dpkg> Etcher is not a reliable way to copy Debian images for installation. Instead, use cp or dd for linux or win32diskimager for Windows. replaced-url
• 608[06:28:44] <somiaj> ArrowPuck: etcher might be the problem
• 609[06:28:57] <ArrowPuck> what do you recommend instead?
• 610[06:29:05] <annadane> read dpkg's factoid ^
• 611[06:29:15] <annadane> if on windows, win32diskimager, if on linux, cp or dd
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• 613[06:29:35] <diogenes_> simply cp debian.iso /dev/sdx
• 614[06:29:38] <ArrowPuck> hmm… what about osx?
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• 616[06:30:00] <ArrowPuck> cp?
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• 618[06:31:17] <annadane> isn't macos unix based, so yeah, probably cp or dd
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• 620[06:32:55] <annadane> basically with cp you find your install medium with lsblk, then cp /path/to/debian.iso /dev/sdx where x is a single letter designator like sdb or sdc
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• 622[06:33:06] <annadane> and *not* sdb1 or sdc1 etc
• 623[06:33:09] <somiaj> I don't think osx uses /dev/sdx though, you'll have to get the osx equivlant
• 624[06:33:16] <annadane> ah, okay
• 625[06:33:25] <annadane> osx has lsblk though/
• 626[06:33:26] <annadane> ?
• 627[06:33:39] <annadane> if so can probably use that
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• 630[06:36:00] <somiaj> not sure on the differences, osx is based off of bsd (not linux) so similarities, but also differences
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• 632[06:38:07] <ArrowPuck> ok cool… thanks for the heads up
• 633[06:39:56] <somiaj> ArrowPuck: there is a strong chance that etcher was caused the issue along
• 634[06:42:19] <annadane> i'm trying to remember what freebsd has, i think it's geom
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• 636[06:42:29] <annadane> which i could never really understand, not that i spent much time trying
• 637[06:42:41] <annadane> though i hear that a lot of people prefer lsblk to geom
• 638[06:42:43] <ArrowPuck> i’m not doubting you, i’m just figure out how lsblk works
• 639[06:43:00] <annadane> or like, ls /whatever/path/freebsd/uses/for/devices
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• 641[06:43:33] <annadane> i know you're not doubting me but it's funny how even freebsd people are like "gee i wish we had linux's lsblk"
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• 643[06:43:59] <annadane> this is IMO why among other reasons freebsd doesn't have more street cred as desktop use
• 644[06:44:06] <annadane> but anyway
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• 646[06:45:42] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 647[06:46:26] <annadane> then again i probably only find fbsd confusing because i'm coming from linux, just different paradigms
• 648[06:46:36] <somiaj> hmm, I don't know if I trust that guide, should have read it closer, I don't think you need to 'covnert the .iso'
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• 650[06:47:05] <annadane> the debian install guide may have something for copying an image under mac products?
• 651[06:47:08] <somiaj> just use 'diskutil list' to find out what disk the usb is, and then 'cp debian.iso /dev/diskX' to the correct disk
• 652[06:47:19] <annadane> there you go then
• 653[06:47:20] <somiaj> I don't think you need the middle step that guide adds
• 654[06:47:28] <ArrowPuck> ok
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• 662[06:56:20] <ArrowPuck> so in that guide, if i’m not doing step 3, that means there’s no sense in doing step 4, right? so then in step 5, instead of doing “sudo dd if=debian-8.0.0-amd64-netinst.img of=/dev/disk2 bs=1m” would the command be “sudo dd if=debian-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/disk2 bs=1m”?
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• 665[06:57:15] <ArrowPuck> and disk 2, of course is my flash drive, i already checked… its not my hard drive
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• 667[06:58:04] <Lady_Aleena> How do I list installed packages, again? I'm trying to see why I've got a config for yelp. I don't remember installing it.
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• 670[06:58:35] <annadane> (ok fine, maybe not geom, upon reading fbsd documentation. still, their disk labeling vastly differs)
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• 672[06:58:56] <annadane> Lady_Aleena, dpkg -l package?
• 673[06:59:34] <annadane> aptitude why package can also give you a hint why something is installed, or look through your /var/log/apt/history.log
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• 675[07:00:48] <Lady_Aleena> Okay, it looks like the yelp I have is not the yelp I am thinking about.
• 676[07:01:22] <Lady_Aleena> ii yelp 3.31.90-1 amd64 Help browser for GNOME
• 677[07:02:22] * Lady_Aleena rolls her eyes.
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• 688[07:26:24] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: dpkg -l
• 689[07:26:53] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, annadane told me. 8)
• 690[07:27:10] <somiaj> I'm slow
• 691[07:27:33] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, I feel slow, always.
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• 695[07:29:39] <Lady_Aleena> I keep forgetting dpkg exists.
• 696[07:30:18] <diogenes_> Lady_Aleena, apt list --installed works too.
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• 698[07:33:35] <somiaj> or aptitude search ~i (though unsure if this shows rc packages)
• 699[07:33:46] <somiaj> diogenes_: does apt list --installed show rc packages?
• 700[07:37:27] <diogenes_> somiaj, i don't think so, it shows the packages installed manually and automatic ones mean dependence.
• 701[07:38:17] <somiaj> just courious, that is one thing I like about dpkg -l, shows me packages I still have config files for
• 702[07:38:17] <Lady_Aleena> diogenes_, I was looking for a specific package this time.
• 703[07:38:30] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: apt policy packagename is also useful
• 704[07:38:45] <somiaj> tells you not only if it is isntalled, what version and what verions are available
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• 707[07:41:39] <Lady_Aleena> So, if I were to write an alias to find out if I have a package installed, which method is preferred?
• 708[07:42:01] <Lady_Aleena> And is "installed" available as an alias?
• 709[07:42:31] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: I'd personally just use dpkg -l packagename
• 710[07:42:54] <Lady_Aleena> So to recap, there's the following:
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• 712[07:44:02] <Lady_Aleena> dpkg -l <packagename> ; aptitude search -i <packagename>; apt policy <packagename>
• 713[07:44:03] <dpkg> ii <packagename> ; aptitude search -i <packagename>; apt policy <packagename> 2.1-3.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
• 714[07:44:24] <Lady_Aleena> I thought the space would keep dpkg out of it.
• 715[07:46:05] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: aptitude search ~i<packagename>
• 716[07:46:08] <somiaj> (no space)
• 717[07:48:20] <Lady_Aleena> aptitude search -i may be too much.
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• 721[07:49:19] <somiaj> well aptitude search ~i shows all installed packages, aptitude search ~i packagenmae shows all installed packages, and anything that matches packagename, aptitude saerch ~ipackagename shows installed packages that contain packagename
• 722[07:49:31] <somiaj> but yea, this is probably only useful if you aren't sure what the package name is, as you'll get additional hits
• 723[07:51:20] <Lady_Aleena> All apt policy needs is architecture and description fields, and it would be great!
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• 725[07:52:09] <somiaj> well the arch is shows is the default arch, if youwa nt to see another arch you have to say so, apt policy libc6:i386 for isntance
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• 728[07:52:33] <somiaj> yea, description requires apt show packagename
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• 730[07:53:41] <Lady_Aleena> I'm just trying to figure out what I like better to make my alias "is-installed".
• 731[07:54:09] <Lady_Aleena> or to grok.
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• 797[09:32:52] <ArrowPuck> So, I emptied the flash drive, there was nothing on it… I put the debian iso on it with dd… I installed this onto the macbook… after logging in, i opened the terminal, installed git-all… after installing, I let my screen go black… as soon as that happened i attempted to log in, but it would not allow me to type in my password, and flashed the words “authentication error” over and over. I suspect, and I could be wrong
• 798[09:32:53] <ArrowPuck> here, but I suspect there’s something of a conflict between the latest version of Debian and something included in git-all… for the record…
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• 802[09:37:11] <at0m> ArrowPuck: and other stuff you type gets displayed correctly? trying to exclude keyboard layout mismatch..
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• 804[09:38:00] <ArrowPuck> it gets stuck on the password page… wont let me type a single letter
• 805[09:38:11] <at0m> ArrowPuck: you could check on tty's, like with Ctrl-Alt-F1 -F2 -.. (if those keys even exist on macbooks)
• 806[09:38:23] <ArrowPuck> yeah they do
• 807[09:39:39] <ArrowPuck> alright, so i pressed that, and the screen immediately went black with a white line in the upper left corner, a cursor i guess, blinking… i can’t type anything
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• 809[09:40:54] <at0m> by default, you can return to the graphical desktop environment using Ctrl-Alt-F7
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• 811[09:41:24] <ArrowPuck> doesn’t work
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• 813[09:42:05] <at0m> also, don't mac's have Fn key inverted?
• 814[09:42:21] <ArrowPuck> yeah, they do… i’m pressing fn as well
• 815[09:42:25] <at0m> ok
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• 817[09:43:22] <ArrowPuck> i’ve kind of lost faith in git-all to be honest…
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• 819[09:43:56] <ArrowPuck> people were saying its solid as a rock, but i’m having my doubts
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• 821[09:44:11] <at0m> i can hardly believe such a common package could cause the issues you describe
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• 824[09:45:53] <at0m> (or installation of any package, really)
• 825[09:46:14] <ArrowPuck> i don’t know… I’m still kinda new with this linux stuff, so maybe its that… people were thinking its because i used etcher last time to get the thing on the usb, but i used dd this time and it booted fine
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• 827[09:46:47] <at0m> and you're in the fresh install now, right? so install went fine
• 828[09:47:03] <ArrowPuck> yeah, it was less than 2 minutes old
• 829[09:47:19] <ArrowPuck> i feel like a murderer
• 830[09:47:39] <at0m> eheh, why would you
• 831[09:47:56] <ArrowPuck> because this is like the 4th time today that i’ve done this to a fresh install
• 832[09:48:11] <ArrowPuck> maybe its this, maybe its that, maybe the other
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• 835[09:50:14] <at0m> from what i can tell with the little info, installation went ok. so reinstalling isn't going to fix the issue.
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• 837[09:51:02] <ArrowPuck> well, some people on here were thinking it was etcher…
• 838[09:51:15] <at0m> ArrowPuck: there's a replaced-url
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• 840[09:51:47] <ArrowPuck> you know what else though… i have another laptop, a toshiba… tried it on there, same thing
• 841[09:52:15] <at0m> i installed on a friend's machine, added pommed and macfanctld, and she's a happy camper since
• 842[09:52:26] <at0m> more than that, i dunno
• 843[09:52:54] <ArrowPuck> hmm… are those related to git?
• 844[09:53:22] <at0m> no. and i'm quite sure git is totally unrelated to the issue you're having
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• 847[09:54:21] <ArrowPuck> i set up a server on the toshiba a few weeks back… moment i installed git-all, it was down for the count
• 848[09:54:56] <ArrowPuck> you’re probably right… maybe something in git-all requires something else to be in place and i just don’t have it
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• 850[09:55:04] <at0m> you could boot from the installer. don't install, but go for "rescue shell". then use installation as chroot, select the laptop's disk. then you're root there and can change passwords.
• 851[09:55:09] <ArrowPuck> what is pommed and macfanctld?
• 852[09:55:20] <at0m> apt show pommed
• 853[09:55:32] <at0m> Apple laptops hotkeys event handler
• 854[09:55:42] <ArrowPuck> ah
• 855[09:56:01] <at0m> just a little util specifically for MB's/MBP's
• 856[09:56:01] <ArrowPuck> ok, i’ll try that
• 857[09:57:00] <ArrowPuck> maybe it has something to do with EFI Boot… i boot off the flash drive, and it always shows two EFI Boots…
• 858[09:57:22] <at0m> hmm.. but you booted to the installation ok, right?
• 859[09:57:26] <ArrowPuck> i read someone had luck with the one on the right, so I just been going with that…
• 860[09:57:31] <ArrowPuck> yeah
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• 862[09:57:41] <ArrowPuck> it doesn’t crash on instalation
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• 864[09:58:53] <at0m> maybe if you're chrooted to the installation like i described above, enable the ssh server. if you can't login locally for reason of keyboard layout mismatch or loose the display, you can work remotely
• 865[10:00:01] <at0m> just a quick ddg return: replaced-url
• 866[10:00:03] <ArrowPuck> when the server went down, and the login screen was locked, i was still able to SSH in from the machine i’m on now...
• 867[10:00:20] <at0m> ah great. then at least you're not stuck, can reboot etc
• 868[10:00:57] <ArrowPuck> well…
• 869[10:01:02] <ArrowPuck> i did reboot
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• 872[10:01:56] <ArrowPuck> and thats when the GUI was done, and all hardware was done… i could type in a terminal, but there was no access to internet or anything, even when connected with ethernet
• 873[10:02:21] <at0m> but you could ssh in?
• 874[10:02:29] <ArrowPuck> not after that
• 875[10:02:31] <at0m> ah
• 876[10:02:54] <ArrowPuck> we were able to edit some files and get the wired card working again
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• 878[10:03:48] <ArrowPuck> but i just shut the machine down and working on the mac to figure out how to install it properly
• 879[10:04:17] <ArrowPuck> so i’m in rescue mode right now
• 880[10:04:19] <at0m> when ssh'd in, as root you could "journalctl -f" to follow log output. or "tail -f /var/log/$somelogfile" you'd like to keep an eye on
• 881[10:04:38] <at0m> that would show failed logins and other fails
• 882[10:04:46] <at0m> bbl
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• 885[10:05:06] <ArrowPuck> alright.. thanks for your help
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• 919[10:40:31] <jelly> ,v fluxbox
• 920[10:40:32] <judd> Package: fluxbox on amd64 -- jessie: 1.3.5-2; bullseye: 1.3.5-2+b2; buster: 1.3.5-2+b2; sid: 1.3.5-2+b2; stretch: 1.3.5-2+b2; experimental: 1.3.7-1~exp1
• 921[10:40:51] <kats99> Hey guys, My vmnet adapters are all connected and active but still I'm unable to connect to the internet from vmware
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• 923[10:41:15] <kats99> It was working the other day
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• 933[10:46:42] <kats99> Ok now I'm using a wifi adapter. It connected but I'm unable to use the internet
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• 959[11:08:29] <f8e4> what is the tickbox "Run in terminal" change when starting a pyqt gui eg ?
• 960[11:10:22] <f8e4> what should i google?
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• 962[11:11:22] <f8e4> if not terminal, where will it run then?
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• 968[11:13:47] <ratrace> run in terminal usually means the program is given as an argument to starting a terminal, instead of execing it directly
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• 970[11:14:56] <jelly> f8e4: it will presumably run like other X apps, with stdout/stderr connected where the whole X session stdout/stderr goes, that is, ~/.xsession-errors
• 971[11:15:14] <ratrace> convenience method to have cli programs started from GUI's buttons and .desktops
• 972[11:15:18] <jelly> running in terminal will make stdout and stderr appear in that terminal
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• 974[11:15:39] <jelly> and a separate terminal emulator opened just for that purpose
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• 976[11:15:54] <f8e4> replaced-url
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• 978[11:17:22] <f8e4> jelly a separate terminal emulator? if deselected, what 'existing' emulater will be used?
• 979[11:17:28] <jelly> f8e4: none
• 980[11:17:43] <f8e4> how can it run then?
• 981[11:17:59] <jelly> f8e4: X apps can run without a controlling terminal.
• 982[11:17:59] * f8e4 seems to have missing basics
• 983[11:18:11] <ratrace> "separate" means "another" in this context. it just launches a system-wide configured terminal and gives the path to it to run immediately
• 984[11:18:13] <jelly> they usually run that way.
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• 986[11:18:38] <ratrace> (to it = to this program you're "run in terminal")
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• 989[11:19:22] <jelly> my hexchat irc client just opens an X window. No terminal.
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• 992[11:19:55] <f8e4> ok, so untick has no downsides whatsoever except i dont know where it routes output too (all to ~/.xsession-errors ? )
• 993[11:20:02] <jelly> correct
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• 1001[11:21:00] <jelly> f8e4: you only enable that if you want to track app's behaviour separately (for debug reasons, for example), or if the app really needs a terminal for some reason
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• 1015[11:30:45] <f8e4> where would i write logging files to? .config
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• 1017[11:32:01] <kats99> I can open only 1.1.1.1 in the browser but not other websites.. How to fix this?
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• 1019[11:33:13] <han-solo> kats99: what happens when you "replaced-url
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• 1021[11:33:29] <han-solo> er, there's a . after the replaced-url
• 1022[11:34:08] <kats99> address not found
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• 1026[11:35:14] <han-solo> is that the exact error ?
• 1027[11:35:35] <kats99> Yes just like you see when there is no internet connection
• 1028[11:36:04] <han-solo> isn't that "Server not found" ?
• 1029[11:36:21] <kats99> Yep but it works fine for 1.1.1.1 website
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• 1031[11:36:34] <han-solo> are you behind some proxy ?
• 1032[11:36:49] <kats99> No
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• 1035[11:38:31] <han-solo> kats99: could you ping 8.8.8.8 ?
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• 1037[11:38:39] <kats99> But I can ping 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 in the terminal and if i do ping google.com it fails
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• 1039[11:38:54] <han-solo> kats99: maybe your nameserver is messed up
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• 1041[11:39:15] <han-solo> check /etc/resolv.conf
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• 1043[11:39:45] <han-solo> and add a line like "nameserver 8.8.8.8"
• 1044[11:39:55] <kats99> That's the only line in there
• 1045[11:40:31] <han-solo> systemctl restart networking ?
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• 1049[11:42:35] <kats99> yes did that too
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• 1051[11:42:49] <han-solo> and ?...
• 1052[11:43:18] <kats99> STill the same not working
• 1053[11:43:19] <han-solo> did you manually add the line in that resolv.conf ?
• 1054[11:43:24] <kats99> YEs
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• 1057[11:43:53] <han-solo> can we see the screenshot ? including the filename
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• 1060[11:44:48] <kats99> Ok. On imgur right?
• 1061[11:44:56] <han-solo> it may not be the best idea to manually add the nameserver, but for the test, it should be fine. So, later you should probably give the DNS in the network manager
• 1062[11:44:59] <han-solo> sure
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• 1068[11:48:23] <kats99> replaced-url
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• 1074[11:51:13] <han-solo> that seems valid as any
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• 1077[11:52:20] <kats99> But why are any websites not opening but I can ping dns servers
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• 1081[11:53:31] <kats99> No wait.. I can ping google.com now
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• 1084[11:55:19] <han-solo> kats99: still can't browse using the browser ?
• 1085[11:55:46] <kats99> noo...
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• 1088[11:58:11] <ratrace> kats99: which browser? also, try restarting it. they usually have their own DNS caches, which also includes NXDOMAIN answers
• 1089[11:59:22] <kats99> Firefox browser...I'll reset the browser and restart the entire system and let you know.
• 1090[11:59:38] <ratrace> no need to reboot, this ain't windows
• 1091[11:59:45] <ratrace> which firefox version
• 1092[12:01:14] <kats99> 69.0
• 1093[12:02:01] <kats99> It works now.. I reset the browser and it's working now..
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• 1095[12:04:07] <kats99> But if resetting the browser was the solution then why were the pings not working initially?? anyways..it works now.. Thanks for the help
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• 1097[12:04:25] <ratrace> kats99: two different things with the same cause
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• 1099[12:04:42] <ratrace> kats99: you had broken DNS resolving for a moment, and firefox cached those invalid answers.
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• 1102[12:05:34] <ratrace> if you want to disable FF dns cache, you can do so by disabling network.dnsCacheExpiration in about:config.
• 1103[12:06:06] <kats99> Oh. I could never have realised that such a thing could happen. Ok..
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• 1120[12:20:29] <b1ack0p> sup
• 1121[12:20:36] <Ede|Popede> does something that isn't gnome bloat in debian support ftps?
• 1122[12:21:15] <Ede|Popede> mc seems to have sftp only, tried 2 cli clients already, lftp seems to but looks like it can't handle TLS packets
• 1123[12:21:46] <ratrace> Ede|Popede: filezilla?
• 1124[12:22:04] <ratrace> wait, that's gtk
• 1125[12:22:15] <jelly> lftp can be coerced to work with some servers if you tell it to use passive mode / TLSC
• 1126[12:22:32] <Ede|Popede> was suggested already, after having it crashing in the past a few times i dropped it long ago. most of times mc does a decent job, only this time it won't cooperate
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• 1128[12:23:13] <Ede|Popede> this is what lftp gave me after it looked like a working connection > ls: Fatal error: gnutls_handshake: An unexpected TLS packet was received.
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• 1130[12:23:32] <jelly> works well with publicly accessible ftp://delivery04-mul.dhe.ibm.com/
• 1131[12:23:41] <Ede|Popede> so i have to create a config file first?
• 1132[12:23:43] <jelly> Ede|Popede: which debian?
• 1133[12:23:53] <Ede|Popede> erm... *looking down*
• 1134[12:23:56] <Ede|Popede> still on stretch
• 1135[12:24:03] <jelly> likewise.
• 1136[12:24:08] <Ede|Popede> (if that's 9, which i still can't remember)
• 1137[12:24:12] <jelly> can you ftp://delivery04-mul.dhe.ibm.com/ ?
• 1138[12:24:16] <Ede|Popede> trying
• 1139[12:24:23] <Ede|Popede> is this ftps?
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• 1141[12:24:49] <Ede|Popede> so, mc with plain ftp is waiting
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• 1143[12:25:45] <jelly> it's ftps.
• 1144[12:25:47] <jelly> cd: Login failed: 550 SSL/TLS required on the control channel
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• 1146[12:26:27] <jelly> (well, it's ftp and starttls)
• 1147[12:27:13] <b1ack0p> jeiiy :p
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• 1150[12:27:45] <jelly> Ede|Popede: start lftp, type: debug 5, then try to o ftp://youruser@yoursite/ and pastebin
• 1151[12:27:47] <Ede|Popede> isn't starttls some site where you get certificates?
• 1152[12:28:10] <jelly> no. It's a protocol extension.
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• 1154[12:29:04] <jelly> b1ack0p: do you have a debian tech question?
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• 1156[12:30:42] <b1ack0p> i am thinking about a very hard tech question :p
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• 1158[12:31:10] <Ede|Popede> jelly: lftp's `open` has a -d option, would i need/want it?
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• 1160[12:32:01] <jelly> I have no idea what it does.
• 1161[12:32:32] <Ede|Popede> "switch on debugging mode" - in addition to the debug setting. i think it can't be wrong
• 1162[12:32:43] <jelly> b1ack0p: if you don't have any, and you're not providing support for someone else's question, please keep quiet in here.
• 1163[12:32:52] <b1ack0p> -.-
• 1164[12:33:23] <jelly> Ede|Popede: I did not use it, ever.
• 1165[12:33:35] <Ede|Popede> jelly: ah, it just doesn't trust the fingerprint
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• 1170[12:34:28] <Ede|Popede> ERROR: Certificate verification: Not trusted (he:re:it:is:……:……) and later same again with "ls: Fatal error: Certificate verification: Not trusted (..."
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• 1173[12:35:38] <jelly> if it's a CA-signed cert, you can add the CA to /usr/local/share/ca-ceritificates/ in PEM format with .crt filename extension
• 1174[12:35:56] <jelly> if it's self-signed, dunno, there's probably a way
• 1175[12:36:06] <Ede|Popede> fritzbox, DIY one
• 1176[12:37:00] <neox> <advert>use the new FSF awarded Let's Encrypt!</advert>
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• 1188[12:42:53] <Ede|Popede> from replaced-url
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• 1190[12:43:13] <Ede|Popede> and why isn't there an option in its shell as it seems?
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• 1207[12:47:20] <jelly> Ede|Popede: the same "set ssl:verify-certificate false" can be typed in the CLI
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• 1212[12:48:16] <jelly> and there's online help
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• 1214[12:48:18] <jelly> lftp delivery04-mul.dhe.ibm.com:/ecc/sar/CMA/STA/03oxq/1> set ftp:ssl-auth ?
• 1215[12:48:18] <jelly> ?: ftp:ssl-auth must be one of: SSL, TLS, TLS-P, TLS-C.
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• 1223[12:54:05] <msiism> I'm looking for an explanation of what -dev packages in Debian actually are and how they work. I mean, I sort of know what they are and when I need to install them. But I just discovered that I'm having a bit of a hard time explaining this to someone else.
• 1224[12:54:27] <Ede|Popede> great. so i can SET them, aka CHANGE them, but not ask for a value. only for all 500.
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• 1226[12:55:41] <jelly> Ede|Popede: type just "set", and everything else is default (don't ask me how to look up what the default settings are)
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• 1229[12:56:01] <jim> msiism, consider a library used in c compilin...
• 1230[12:56:02] <Ede|Popede> -d, but that's spaghetti chaos
• 1231[12:56:19] <Ede|Popede> i always use grep in the shell or "mark all lines" in mcedit when i search
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• 1235[12:56:49] <jim> msiism, pieces of that lib are used to run things (by being in a dir ready to dynamically link to an executable)
• 1236[12:57:29] <jim> msiism, other pieces of that lib (the lib, the headers) are used when you want to compile somethign with that lib
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• 1239[12:58:20] <jim> msiism, debian packages the last into libsomething-dev packages, and the previous into libsomething packages
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• 1247[13:01:23] <Ede|Popede> jelly: restarted it to get rid of all the debug spam, doesn't disappear. and in the rc still only the line i added
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• 1249[13:02:19] <Ede|Popede> deleted the .config/lftp, still the command history is around
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• 1253[13:03:36] <msiism> jim: Ok, thanks. I understand that. I mean, especially when you want to create a statically linked executable, you'll need that -dev package because it will contain the source come of the used library, right?
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• 1255[13:04:01] <Ede|Popede> ah, .local/share. ofc.
• 1256[13:04:02] <jelly> I don't have a .config/lftp, just .lftp
• 1257[13:04:04] <msiism> s/come/code
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• 1259[13:05:15] <Ede|Popede> couldn't find any settings there, only history. still it spits around 50 lines to me for a simple ls
• 1260[13:06:00] <jelly> apparently I've been using lftp for a while. [697] Started. Wed Aug 11 17:03:35 1999
• 1261[13:06:01] <Ede|Popede> oh, it was the -d
• 1262[13:06:08] <jim> no, -dev packages don't contain source (usually)
• 1263[13:06:08] <Ede|Popede> uh
• 1264[13:06:21] <Ede|Popede> must be a nice uptime then
• 1265[13:06:39] <jelly> there's a [697] Finished. Wed Aug 11 17:10:23 1999 not to worry
• 1266[13:07:01] <jim> they contain the binary (aka compiled) half of the lib that gets used when setting up the linkage to the runtime part of the lib
• 1267[13:07:41] <msiism> jim: Oh, ok. But how do you, well, cross-compile then?
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• 1269[13:08:28] <jim> then you can get the source package for the lib (apt source libsomething)
• 1270[13:08:28] <msiism> I mean, you can't use a library compiled for PowerPC to run on x86.
• 1271[13:08:37] <msiism> Ok, I see.
• 1272[13:08:42] <msiism> That makes sense.
• 1273[13:08:43] <Ede|Popede> nice, it has a sane default: -a use ascii mode (binary is the default)
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• 1278[13:11:03] <msiism> jim: Now, there are two problem I'm facing: One, not everything is written in C (luckily). And two, how could I give someone an idea of what -dev packages are for who is new to Linux and not a programmer?
• 1279[13:11:09] <jelly> msiism: debian mostly avoids crosscompiling
• 1280[13:11:21] <msiism> jelly: I see.
• 1281[13:11:55] <jelly> they may not BE a programmer but surely they can be explained source and binary/compiled code
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• 1285[13:13:34] * jelly googles ELI5 source code
• 1286[13:13:48] <msiism> jelly: Yeah, but that would not really help because, as I've just learned, -dev package don't usually contain sources that will be compiled. I just would to give someone an idea as to why they need to get the xyz-dev package in addition to xyz if they want to (need to) build $software from yource.
• 1287[13:14:05] <msiism> s/would/would like
• 1288[13:14:25] <msiism> s/yource/source
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• 1290[13:14:48] <jelly> they contain enough of the source to be able to biuld $software against xyz. They ONLY need the -dev package for that.
• 1291[13:15:26] <msiism> Well, but they will need xyz if they then want to also run that software, right?
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• 1294[13:16:24] <jim> msiism, a -dev lib might be needed to build something... possibly another package (in which case, the -dev lib would be in the source package's "build dependencies"
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• 1297[13:16:31] <Ede|Popede> jelly: thanks, download working now. also had to remember some basic ftp stuff from 15 years ago or so
• 1298[13:16:50] <Ede|Popede> <rant>ftp clients suck all it seems</rant>
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• 1301[13:17:32] <jelly> lftp just sucks less
• 1302[13:17:48] <jim> msiism, one thing about debian, if everything's set up right, it can build itself
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• 1304[13:18:10] <Ede|Popede> indeed. was about to install ftp just because it's the original (and the only one i ever could remember the name), but then there's debtags
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• 1306[13:18:28] <jim> (because the instructions of how to build are codified into the source packages, and possibly elsewhere)
• 1307[13:18:35] <msiism> jim: I believe you, but I'm not gonna try this at home. :)
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• 1309[13:19:08] <msiism> Ok, I think I can come up with some sort of a reasonable explanation now. Thanks for your input.
• 1310[13:19:29] <jim> what, you're not gonna do what ubuntu and mint tried to do? :)
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• 1312[13:20:08] <msiism> jim: What do you mean by that?
• 1313[13:20:41] <msiism> Oh, I get it.
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• 1315[13:20:44] <jim> ubuntu and mint tried to copy a debian, and get all the autobuilders working
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• 1318[13:21:22] <jelly> replaced-url
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• 1320[13:22:40] <jim> msiism, does debian already support the arch you want to cross compile for?
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• 1322[13:23:28] <jelly> they did not say they actually wanted to crosscompile anything.
• 1323[13:24:00] <msiism> jim: I don't actually want to compile anything. I'm just helpingsomeone to get a special-purpose editor to run on their system that is not in the repos. And for that to happen, that person needs to install a -dev package. And I would like to give a bit of an explanation of why that is.
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• 1328[13:25:27] <jim> msiism, the person you're helping will need a -dev package that is built to run on the machine he's compiling for
• 1329[13:25:33] <jelly> msiism: which particular editor, is it open source or available online?
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• 1333[13:29:14] <msiism> jim: There's no question as to which package is needed here. It's just that I asked him: “Do you have xyz and xyz-dev installed?“ He: “How do I know?“ Me: “dpkg -l | grep xyz”. He: “Show nothing.” Me: “Then you need to install those.”
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• 1336[13:29:55] <msiism> jim: And the result was that he only installed xyz and forgot about the -dev package because it was not in the grep command. And now I need to tell him you also need the -dev, because $explanation.
• 1337[13:30:21] <msiism> jelly: It's this one: replaced-url
• 1338[13:30:42] <jelly> msiism: usually you only need to specify to install xyz-dev, as that will pull in xyz if needed (usually it is needed)
• 1339[13:31:01] <msiism> Ok, right.
• 1340[13:31:37] <jelly> that might have avoided the confusion and extra step
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• 1344[13:32:43] <msiism> jelly: Yeah, but this way, we both learn something, so It's fine with me.
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• 1346[13:33:36] <msiism> Ok, that person is probably a programmer because that is an editor for CNC programmers.
• 1347[13:33:44] * msiism needs to read more carefully
• 1348[13:34:19] <jelly> they might merely be a CNC operator
• 1349[13:34:36] <jelly> or an electronics person
• 1350[13:34:45] <msiism> ok, right. We didn't really talk about this because I have no idea about CNC.
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• 1359[13:39:01] <jelly> ,depends libqt5serialport5-dev
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• 1361[13:39:02] <judd> Package libqt5serialport5-dev in buster/amd64 -- depends: libqt5serialport5 (= 5.11.3-2), qtbase5-dev.
• 1362[13:39:38] <jelly> the -dev package pulls in the binary library package as well
• 1363[13:39:55] <msiism> Ok, that's good to know.
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• 1369[13:43:40] <jelly> msiism: after building, they may probably also have runtime issues accessing the serial port as normal user, and may have to add themselves to group "dialout" and log off and log on again
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• 1371[13:44:44] <msiism> jelly: Noted. Thanks for the hint.
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• 1381[13:51:06] <jim> msiism, hmm, I didn't know the person you're helping has a computer with a supported arch
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• 1465[15:06:18] <sjamaan> Hi all
• 1466[15:06:57] <sjamaan> Since my kernel was upgraded from 4.19.0-6 to 4.19.0-8, I'm getting an error at boot that there's no volume group found for my encrypted lvm partitions
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• 1468[15:07:15] <sjamaan> I'm now booting from the old kernel/initramfs, which works
• 1469[15:07:24] <sjamaan> How can I fix this situation?
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• 1485[15:24:52] <john__> Should I get a Macbook Pro, or should I get a Thinkpad at a cheaper price and install Linux on it? I plan to use this for computer science in university
• 1486[15:25:02] <john__> I aim for at least 4 years of usage
• 1487[15:25:29] <john__> I currently have a desktop with Pop OS running
• 1488[15:25:54] <dvs> john__, what that more depend on what the university is using?
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• 1491[15:26:54] <john__> If I am going to just learn programming, are Thinkpads with Linux enough?
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• 1493[15:27:05] <john__> I plan to learn C and Python first
• 1494[15:27:22] <john__> There is no way that I would use Windows
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• 1497[15:28:02] <sjamaan> john__: Should be fine, but it depends a bit on the uni. Sometimes professors insist on requiring Windows for whatever. Often you can use the computer rooms at uni for such things though
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• 1500[15:29:25] <john__> Are Macbooks really worth the money?
• 1501[15:30:03] <sjamaan> I don't think so, but ymmv
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• 1503[15:30:24] <dvs> I don't think so, either.
• 1504[15:30:41] <dvs> Chances are that Apple won't support it for 4 years.
• 1505[15:31:02] <sjamaan> That's less important if you're going to run an alternative OS on it, though
• 1506[15:31:35] <john__> Is running Linux and a Windows QEMU/KVM better than relying on MacOS?
• 1507[15:31:57] <john__> I am comparing the X1 Carbon and the soon to be released 14 inch MBP
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• 1509[15:32:44] <dvs> john__, That's what I mean: Apple probably won't support MacOS on that MacBook for 4 years.
• 1510[15:33:21] <john__> The 2015 Macbook Pro is still supported
• 1511[15:33:35] <john__> If I get a 2020 one, I can get at least 6 years out of it
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• 1513[15:34:04] <john__> Apple lists the older Macs as supported
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• 1558[16:09:34] <MrFlyback> hello
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• 1561[16:10:32] <MrFlyback> Can anyone tell me what kernel 10.3 comes with?
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• 1563[16:11:09] <diogenes_> ,i kernel
• 1564[16:11:10] <judd> No package named 'kernel' was found in buster/amd64.
• 1565[16:11:22] <diogenes_> ,v kernel
• 1566[16:11:24] <judd> No package named 'kernel' was found in amd64.
• 1567[16:11:56] <diogenes_> 4.19.0-8-amd64
• 1568[16:12:01] <joepublic> dpkg, kernels
• 1569[16:12:03] <dpkg> Linux kernel versions, stable: 5.5.9, mainline: 5.6-rc5, stable 5.5: 5.5.9, longterm 5.4: 5.4.25, longterm 4.19: 4.19.109, longterm 4.14: 4.14.173, longterm 4.9: 4.9.216, longterm 4.4: 4.4.216, longterm 3.16: 3.16.82, linux-next: next-20200313
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• 1571[16:12:43] <annadane> !win #debian
• 1572[16:12:44] <dpkg> Congratulations, #debian! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
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• 1577[16:14:04] <nifker> Can I set my mouse dpi higher without weird x11 hacks?
• 1578[16:14:21] <MrFlyback> hmm i need debian with at keast 5.4
• 1579[16:14:55] <MrFlyback> i think it's 5.4 where they started supporting my gpu, and where it stopped crashing
• 1580[16:15:15] <MrFlyback> it was something about mesa too
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• 1594[16:24:30] <annadane> ,v linux-image-amd64
• 1595[16:24:31] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u10; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u1~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u3; buster-backports: 5.4.13-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.4.19-1; sid: 5.4.19-1; experimental: 5.5~rc5-1~exp1
• 1596[16:24:45] <annadane> MrFlyback, use backporta
• 1597[16:24:47] <annadane> s
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• 1599[16:25:00] <annadane> !debian backports
• 1600[16:25:00] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <buster backports>) and oldstable (<stretch backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
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• 1620[16:41:57] <annadane> as to mesa i'm not sure what packages comprise mesa or if they get backported frequently
• 1621[16:42:47] <graphicsv> I removed HDMI with the laptop lid closed and I got this issue. Any idea how can I solve it? very annoying. I had to turn off the laptop by holding the power button and then turn on again. Apparently it was hibernation mode after I did that... replaced-url
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• 1624[16:44:18] <annadane> ,i libegl1-mesa
• 1625[16:44:19] <judd> Package libegl1-mesa (libs, optional) in buster/amd64: transitional dummy package. Version: 18.3.6-2+deb10u1; Size: 46.3k; Installed: 64k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 1629[16:45:03] <annadane> ,v libegl-mesa0
• 1630[16:45:05] <judd> Package: libegl-mesa0 on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 18.2.8-2~bpo9+1; buster: 18.3.6-2+deb10u1; bullseye: 19.3.3-1; sid: 19.3.3-1; experimental: 20.0.0-1
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• 1633[16:45:33] <annadane> 18/19/20 do generally correspond to mesa versions so my very rough guess is "mesa hasn't been backported in current stable yet"
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• 1635[16:47:16] <annadane> (or else all related packages would be)
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• 1719[17:31:05] <serph0ne> !paste
• 1720[17:31:06] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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• 1734[17:41:37] <serph0ne> hey guys please
• 1735[17:41:46] <serph0ne> i need do this
• 1736[17:41:49] <serph0ne> replaced-url
• 1737[17:42:20] <serph0ne> anyone can help me ? :/
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• 1740[17:43:12] <serph0ne> i need tranform OLD.txt in NEW.txt
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• 1742[17:43:42] <serph0ne> i tryed so much
• 1743[17:43:58] <serph0ne> but I couldn't do it
• 1744[17:44:04] <annadane> you got the factoid for paste which tells you to use paste.debian.net, yet used pastebin.com anyway :P
• 1745[17:44:44] <serph0ne> because I couldn't post it in debian.net
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• 1747[17:44:55] <serph0ne> :/ sorry
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• 1751[17:46:31] <serph0ne> annadane can you help me?
• 1752[17:46:42] <annadane> i don't know the answer, so unfortunately not
• 1753[17:46:59] <serph0ne> ok, thanks
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• 1756[17:47:10] <cybercrypto> let me check, serph0ne
• 1757[17:47:16] <ectospasm> serph0ne: try this: perl -pe 's/OK \w+ (\d+) (\d+)/OK -p $2 $1+antonio/'
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• 1760[17:47:45] <serph0ne> ok
• 1761[17:47:46] <serph0ne> wait
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• 1764[17:48:23] <ectospasm> Did you need to keep the names that's after OK in OLD.txt?
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• 1766[17:48:28] <ectospasm> Then that would be:
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• 1768[17:48:50] <ectospasm> serph0ne: try this: perl -pe 's/OK (\w+) (\d+) (\d+)/OK -p $3 $2+$1/'
• 1769[17:50:02] <ectospasm> serph0ne: try this: perl -pe 's/OK (\w+) (\d+) (\d+)/OK -p $3 $2+$1/' OLD.txt
• 1770[17:50:15] <ectospasm> Sorry, assumed you'd need to put the filename there.
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• 1776[17:54:23] <mms_> awk -F " " -e '{printf ("%s -p %d %s %s\n", $1,$4,$2,$3); }' < old.txt
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• 1778[17:55:12] <ectospasm> That's definitely another way to do it.
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• 1789[17:59:18] <serph0ne> oh yes
• 1790[17:59:23] <serph0ne> its work
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• 1792[17:59:37] <serph0ne> thanks mms_ ectospasm
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• 1834[18:39:30] <f8e4> apt install qtcreator # examples are empty/missing?
• 1835[18:39:56] <annadane> qtcreator qtcreator-data qtcreator-doc
• 1836[18:40:01] <annadane> is what i get in bash autocompletion
• 1837[18:40:05] <annadane> check your sources list?
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• 1840[18:40:48] <f8e4> i have all named installed
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• 1842[18:41:48] <annadane> what do you mean by examples?
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• 1847[18:46:08] <f8e4> replaced-url
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• 1853[18:49:15] <annadane> oh
• 1854[18:49:21] <annadane> no idea, maybe someone else knows
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• 1859[18:52:26] <f8e4> i installed all qtbase5* all ok now
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• 1863[18:55:19] <jelly> annadane, the useful package with accelerated mesa OpenGL libs is libgl1-mesa-dri
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• 1893[19:13:02] <used2be> oh hey
• 1894[19:13:06] <used2be> sup guys
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• 1896[19:13:17] <used2be> rip ian, that sucks
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• 1898[19:13:39] <used2be> does init.d still exist on debian?
• 1899[19:13:53] <used2be> or you replaced it with, the ever trustworthy google
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• 1902[19:15:16] <used2be> guys ever read, reflections on trusting trust by brian kerninghan?
• 1903[19:15:41] <used2be> it's a nice story about the world using a common c compiler, using fortran as an example
• 1904[19:15:58] <used2be> any of you make code without gcc?
• 1905[19:16:02] <used2be> :o
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• 1908[19:16:32] <used2be> don't dissect me bro
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• 1910[19:17:28] <used2be> i gave them fair warning about the file exploit before it happened
• 1911[19:17:43] <used2be> debian like, nah braw, we chill, much smarter than you too
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• 1913[19:17:51] <used2be> alright man
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• 1915[19:18:56] <Whyvn> hello, I added a /etc/apt/preference file and added the testing repo link in /etc/apt/source.list to install 1 program from the testing tree, now when I run an apt upgrade, it wants to upgrade my entire system to testing branch. How can I only use one file from testing and not force my whole system to have testing packages?
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• 1918[19:22:29] <used2be> jesus
• 1919[19:22:41] <used2be> turned slackware into an invite only exclusive club since i been gone
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• 1921[19:23:00] <Whyvn> I guess just removing the testing sources after I installed the package I want does it, but not sure if will cause problems with the current installed testing package
• 1922[19:23:22] <used2be> i always hated the apt system, it's convenient if ur not an edge tester
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• 1924[19:23:33] <used2be> there's probably a specific --exclude in there
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• 1926[19:23:44] <used2be> look up exclude in the manpage
• 1927[19:24:13] <used2be> system should be alright then,so long as ur dl links aren't from the testing branch
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• 1930[19:25:07] <used2be> think there's also a config file specifically for your problem
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• 1932[19:25:24] <gtn0423> hi everybody, I'm a linux user (mostly ubuntu or debian) since few years, and I need some advices about containers to make a choices, it's for cross compile, first I want to be able to use it for a raspberry pi, the GPIO pins shouldn't block for compilation (but no problem if I'm not able to run the script on my computer), someone have an advice?
• 1933[19:25:29] <Whyvn> thanks used2be
• 1934[19:25:33] <used2be> should have saw my debian after a week
• 1935[19:25:39] <used2be> it was crazy looking
• 1936[19:25:48] <used2be> np , you find anything?
• 1937[19:27:40] <used2be> you mean like, making dynamic source code?
• 1938[19:27:52] <used2be> there's alot of options in gcc for that
• 1939[19:28:05] <used2be> if you know what you're compiling it for you can spit it out though
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• 1942[19:28:50] <used2be> can't do it with assembly
• 1943[19:29:21] <used2be> you can compile for that device on whatever you're running now though gtn0423
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• 1946[19:29:56] <used2be> i forget the gcc instructions, got all the optimization options and stuff on it too, it's a pretty slick compiler
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• 1948[19:30:09] <used2be> shouldn't be more than 3 pages down though
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• 1950[19:31:29] <used2be> as can also assemble foreign binary's
• 1951[19:31:37] <used2be> it makes no sense to as after it's done with it
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• 1953[19:31:53] <used2be> runs like a charm on what you run it on though
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• 1957[19:35:48] <used2be> not sure if linux has drivers for gaming computers water coolers
• 1958[19:36:02] <used2be> alienware has their own version of sound cards and stuff
• 1959[19:36:14] <used2be> factory, the legit drivers don't work on it
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• 1961[19:36:42] <used2be> miss coding
• 1962[19:36:48] <ratrace> used2be: maybe you were looking for #debian-offtopic? this a debian support channel, so unless you have a support question...
• 1963[19:37:02] <used2be> oh yeah
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• 2062[19:44:01] <wondiws> how do I set DISPLAY in a chroot environment?
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• 2064[19:44:12] <wondiws> Don't I get auth issues?
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• 2072[19:52:08] <Mathisen> evening. how would i get some more info on a specfic pid ? if you see replaced-url
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• 2076[19:56:55] <ratrace> Mathisen: the master process? add -f to that ps to see the tree view, the root one will be parent to replaced-url
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• 2079[19:58:00] <Mathisen> ahh that make sence then. was worried there for a while thanks
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• 2081[19:58:41] <Mathisen> what does the Ss stand for anyway ?
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• 2102[20:09:39] <wondiws> what is the kernel command these days to get 80x25 vga console these days? Which I enter from GRUB. I get that vga=normal is deprecated
• 2103[20:09:56] <wondiws> and the text goes to fast for me to read what I'm supposed to use now :P
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• 2109[20:13:26] <ratrace> Mathisen: look in the ps(1) manpage, under Process state codes
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• 2115[20:15:07] <Mathisen> will do thanks
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• 2119[20:17:48] <Aisha> I am having an apt problem with qemu-kvm install if anyone is familiar ?
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• 2121[20:18:33] <Aisha> replaced-url
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• 2132[20:22:40] <han-solo> well, if you can trust askubuntu, then apt purge lvm2 && sudo apt install lvm2
• 2133[20:22:53] <han-solo> and then install the qemu-kvm again ?
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• 2136[20:23:57] <f8e4> how to jump to previous result in terminal on ctrl+r ?
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• 2138[20:24:35] <han-solo> i doubt, if you can get the previous result from history without executing it again ?
• 2139[20:24:42] <jelly> ,v lvm2
• 2140[20:24:43] <judd> Package: lvm2 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.02.111-2.2+deb8u1; stretch: 2.02.168-2; buster: 2.03.02-3; bullseye: 2.03.07-1+b1; sid: 2.03.07-1+b1
• 2141[20:25:13] <f8e4> sorry bash history of terminal i mean
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• 2143[20:26:40] <somiaj> you could also just unmask the service and 'dpkg --reconfigure -a'
• 2144[20:26:52] <somiaj> Aisha: ^^ at least the error makes it sound like that.
• 2145[20:27:24] <somiaj> Aisha: if you really need the service to be masked (so it doesn't run), you'll have to modify the install script.
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• 2148[20:28:23] <han-solo> systemctl mask <unit> ?
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• 2152[20:28:58] <somiaj> well that would mask it, here they would need to unmask it. But the fact that it is masked makes me think they don't want ot run the service (so they may need to edit the lvm2 post install script and comment out the invoke-rc.d line)
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• 2156[20:29:04] <somiaj> so systemctl unmask <unit>
• 2157[20:29:25] <somiaj> wonder if this could be considered a bug in invoke-rc.d erroring out on masked units.
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• 2159[20:31:35] <f8e4> so i have to do?: history | grep foo ?
• 2160[20:31:42] <f8e4> and choose the second to last
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• 2162[20:32:05] <bit1> hello
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• 2166[20:34:48] <Aisha> hmm
• 2167[20:35:04] <f8e4> so i mean the history n-1 entry if it matches eg foo, not only the last entry
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• 2169[20:35:17] <f8e4> ctrl+r only last of matching
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• 2208[20:37:29] <Aisha> han-solo, seems to be happy after the purge thank you
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• 2230[20:42:46] <han-solo> f8e4: this maybe so wrong, but `fc -rln | grep <command> | sed -n '2p
• 2231[20:42:49] <han-solo> ' ?
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• 2235[20:44:35] <han-solo> somiaj: replaced-url
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• 2239[20:45:46] <Aisha> if I have a nvme and ssd do I typically want to #systemctl start fstrim.timer ?
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• 2241[20:46:46] <somiaj> han-solo: Hmm, though that bug never addres why the service is masked in the first place.
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• 2246[20:47:57] <han-solo> *shrug*
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• 2258[20:56:59] <f8e4> who invented this functionality, where doc?
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• 2261[20:58:55] <Aisha> history ; !<number> or !letterofcmd ?
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• 2268[21:03:32] <f8e4> so there is no option for (reverse-i-search)`': i-1 item from i ?
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• 2276[21:06:23] <Aisha> arrow key up ?
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• 2278[21:07:51] <somiaj> I'd still be intersted into why that service was masked
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• 2282[21:09:39] <mrl5> hello, is there any easy way to get latest package version while exploring debian mirror repository?
• 2283[21:09:53] <somiaj> mrl5: apt policy packgename
• 2284[21:10:15] <somiaj> mrl5: oh wait, using a mirror, why not just use your local database, 'laste version' won't mean much on a mirror, it matters what version of debian you are running.
• 2285[21:10:16] <mrl5> somiaj: but not from debian machine, from web browser while exploring the mirror
• 2286[21:10:29] <somiaj> packages.debian.org shows latest version for the various releases of debian
• 2287[21:10:35] <somiaj> so packages.debian.org/packagename
• 2288[21:11:21] <mrl5> the problem is that I want to get the latest version of google-chrome from `dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb` repo
• 2289[21:11:22] <somiaj> I don't think you can clearly see this on the mirror, as the mirror will have all versions avaiable for the releases it mirrors, any reason you can't just use packages.debian.org?
• 2290[21:11:56] <somiaj> you could look in the pool at all versions there and see which is 'latest'
• 2291[21:12:57] <mrl5> yeah, they dont allow dir listing :D I need to know exact URI to the file that I want to download
• 2292[21:13:05] <salkin> so under Wayland if an application like telegram-desktop suddenly throws -> "Using Wayland-EGL Using the 'ivi-shell' shell integration Could not create a shell surface object."
• 2293[21:13:11] <salkin> what is then going on? i am looost
• 2294[21:13:13] <mrl5> ... mozilla just exposes JSON API with current versions
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• 2296[21:13:15] <salkin> i am on sway
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• 2298[21:13:37] <salkin> also ivi-shell' is *way* wrong i hope?. IVI -> In-Vehicle Infotainment. :=)
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• 2301[21:15:12] <salkin> ivi-shell is not part of debian i guess :) what is it doing here suddenly and what could be the reason that xcb backend is suddenly missing or something
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• 2303[21:20:33] <Aisha> thunar isn't exactly intuitive can't even drag/drop between thunar windows... sigh
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• 2305[21:21:18] <Aisha> or am I supposed to add some add-on?
• 2306[21:21:32] <salkin> scide (Sound Programming Language IDE) suddenly throws -> "Using Wayland-EGL WebEngine compiled with X11 support, however qpa backend is not xcb. This may fail." /n "Using the 'ivi-shell' shell integration Could not create a shell surface object."
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• 2362[21:30:23] <Will> Hello
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• 2379[21:31:21] <mrl5> what is downloaded by `apt-get update` so that it knows which packages can be updated?
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• 2387[21:31:25] <sponix> ,v rtorrent
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• 2390[21:31:27] <judd> Package: rtorrent on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.2-1; stretch: 0.9.6-2+b1; buster: 0.9.7-1; bullseye: 0.9.8-1; sid: 0.9.8-1
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• 2461[21:59:54] <jelly> mrl5: repo metadata, stored in /var/lib/apt/lists/
• 2462[22:00:36] <jelly> package lists and localization mostly
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• 2477[22:10:04] <mrl5> thanks jelly thanks somiaj
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• 2485[22:16:47] <twanny796> .
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• 2516[22:40:37] <salkin-mada> haay. how can i roll back on qt from the apt sys? now it is v5.11.3. is it possible to try 5.11.2 again? I have some crazy weird QT, QPA backend, Wayland, Sway WM problems here on my Debian Buster system
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• 2546[23:00:26] <sklv1> hi, i'm strugglign to get tor started. systemctl status tor says active (exited) which seems mutually exclusive
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• 2549[23:01:04] <sklv1> journalctl -u tor sas onlt 'starting..' and 'stopping..' messages from my previous attempts and nothing from the tor daemon itself
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• 2584[23:21:02] <vldcnst> I noticed that when I do a DNS query (testing with getaddrinfo()), if a NXDOMAIN is received, another query is done with my system hostname as a suffix. My /etc/resolv.conf doesn't contain a search line, only a nameserver. How can I disable this behaviour?
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• 2608[23:37:13] <abrotman> well, okay then
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• 2619[23:45:08] <ooseh> where do i find the official iso signing key?
• 2620[23:45:40] <ooseh> F41D30342F3546695F65C66942468F4009EA8AC3 ???
• 2621[23:46:17] <annadane> i guess replaced-url
• 2622[23:46:46] <annadane> it should be DF9B 9C49 EAA9 2984 3258 9D76 DA87 E80D 6294 BE9B
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• 2627[23:48:40] <teclo-> it's on the debian cd site
• 2628[23:48:50] <ooseh> got it
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• 2630[23:49:00] <annadane> (that page is still useless and needs more detail)
• 2631[23:49:05] <annadane> (yes i have submitted a patch already)
• 2632[23:49:57] <annadane> compare that to replaced-url
• 2633[23:50:39] <ooseh> i was using gpg --search-keys <key> but the response was not detailed the way i expected
• 2634[23:50:59] <ooseh> usually it has the name and email in the response
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• 2636[23:51:26] <teclo-> replaced-url
• 2637[23:52:04] <annadane> too many linux distros and bsd, don't actually really tell you how to verify an image
• 2638[23:52:14] <annadane> they just hand waive and say "use checksums"
• 2639[23:52:31] <annadane> which, it's a huge part of security, you'd think they'd have very clear instructions
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• 2641[23:54:05] <ooseh> linux distro package verification if they were soldering intructions: melt solder onto wires, plug into wall
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• 2644[23:56:32] <annadane> if i were making a FOSS operating system i'd have it in bold on the front page: "STEP 1. DO THIS. STEP 2..."
• 2645[23:56:40] <salkin-mada> is there a way of detecting hwo a debian setup may be broken. in regard to QT and Wayland
• 2646[23:56:42] <salkin-mada> ?
• 2647[23:56:48] <salkin-mada> how
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• 2649[23:56:59] <annadane> "broken" can mean a lot of things
• 2650[23:57:05] <salkin-mada> indeed :)
• 2651[23:57:09] <annadane> depends on the behavior you observe
• 2652[23:57:37] <salkin-mada> qt not able to automatically choose QPA backend
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• 2654[23:58:28] <annadane> wayland is still fairly new so i'm not inclined to doubt people who say "hey, i think it's broken", but it helps to actually say why you think something's broken
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• 2657[23:59:43] <salkin-mada> :) telegram-desktop, qutebrowser and scide was working just fine yesterday now they throw stuff like --> -> "Using Wayland-EGL Using the 'ivi-shell' shell integration Could not create a shell surface object."
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