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24 [00:28:15] <tryte> I'm facing replaced-url
25 [00:28:16] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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27 [00:31:38] <tryte> I'm just at total loss, don't now what else to try. Automatically provisioned containers just won't have ssh after initial provision. I have added tasks to manually create the tempdir, created the tmpfile definition for systemd-tmpfiles, manually called systemd-tmpfiles, stopped/started the service, added /etc/systemd/system/sshd.service.d/10-rdirpreserve.conf and modified the service unit*
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30 [00:32:21] <tryte> *as instructed in the many bug reports. It just won't work, and it's ssh, so it's kinda critical I cannot manage the boxen
31 [00:33:00] <tryte> why cannot we just install the goddamn service and, like, use it?
32 [00:33:12] <tryte> it's mindboggling that debian has this bug
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34 [00:34:50] <tryte> will try adding now a final reboot, but it's ugly and doesn't really solve the issue that ssh should work after an apt-get install period
35 [00:35:36] <joepublic> You sound frustrated.
36 [00:35:42] <tryte> oh I am
37 [00:36:14] <tryte> I've dealt like everyone with bugs all my life but this is just dumb
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48 [00:54:00] <grummund> Is there a way to find out what happened to libpam-smbpass package? It is in debian 8 but not 9 or 10.
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103 [01:43:10] <Ede|Popede> grummund, it's listed here in 2015: replaced-url
104 [01:43:28] <Ede|Popede> and of course i can't remember the bot command to get the reason
105 [01:43:53] <yashi> I have a remote server for which I do not have physical access--it's a default Debian install 4.19.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.98-1 (2020-01-26) x86_64 GNU/Linux. When I run nmap on the server there's plenty of ports (smtp, netbios, etc) which are open, but I'd really like only ssh to be open. How do I close all of them (except 22) without locking myself out?
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123 [01:53:42] <Fox> !removed
124 [01:53:42] <dpkg> The log of Debian package removals (including removal reasons) for this year is at replaced-url
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126 [01:54:31] <ghostindawyahh> dpkg --configure -a
127 [01:54:31] <dpkg> i haven't a clue, ghostindawyahh
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129 [01:54:33] <ghostindawyahh> :D
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132 [01:57:29] <Fox> !why-removed
133 [01:57:29] <dpkg> The log of Debian package removals (including removal reasons) for this year is at replaced-url
134 [01:57:44] <Fox> that won't help much more
135 [02:00:39] <annadane> or tracker.debian.org although for something last seen in jessie maybe less useful
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137 [02:01:08] <annadane> the tracker is my usual go to
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139 [02:01:41] <ghostindawyahh> !why-removed curses
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141 [02:02:04] <ghostindawyahh> !why-removed bind7
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145 [02:05:39] <annadane> (this is why our volunteers are important!)
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147 [02:05:49] <annadane> (become a package maintainer today, uncle sam wants YOU)
148 [02:06:58] <ghostindawyahh> i met a lass names anna once
149 [02:07:05] <ghostindawyahh> i was hooked on her :P
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161 [02:18:28] <ghostindawyahh> woooo
162 [02:18:32] <ghostindawyahh> im verified
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164 [02:18:50] <yepla> hello
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176 [02:25:35] <ghostindawyahh> heyoohhh
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179 [02:30:39] <ghostindawyahh> trailer parks on fire
180 [02:30:52] <ghostindawyahh> billy been cooking up somethin
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182 [02:32:02] <Betal> should I use dh or something else instead of dpkg -b to build a package that only contain systemd units?
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237 [03:06:21] <yepla> hello back, i have a little problem actually
238 [03:06:35] <yepla> when i shutdown or reboot my computer
239 [03:07:14] <yepla> i have an error message like this unmounting /home failed
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241 [03:07:43] <yepla> but the computer stop or reboot
242 [03:08:16] <yepla> i dont know what i can do
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244 [03:10:06] <Henry151> hi, during my bootup sequence I see "A start job is running for Raise Network Interfaces" and each time i reboot my laptop it seems to take longer than the time before. My boot-up logs are here: replaced-url
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260 [03:31:31] <yepla> ok guys i know why i have this message
261 [03:31:50] <yepla> i think it s a process which not terminated
262 [03:32:40] <yepla> i use crontab like this:
263 [03:32:43] <yepla> @reboot /usr/bin/screen -d -m ...
264 [03:32:54] <yepla> i start a script in a screen
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266 [03:33:53] <yepla> so my question now is does it can be a problem for data integrity ?
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268 [03:34:19] <yepla> to see this error unmounting /home failed ???
269 [03:34:45] <yepla> note that the computer reboot by itself
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441 [07:09:32] <taserface> so my new bullseye install doesn't seem to want to automatically select the right SSH key for a particular connection and ask me for its password, like I'm used to
442 [07:09:37] <taserface> I have to ssh-add manually
443 [07:09:50] <taserface> is that new or is that because I installed with --no-install-recommends?
444 [07:10:43] <taserface> also if I run a program (say virt-manager) via alt-F2 it can't seem to use the agent, but it's fine if I run it from a terminal
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450 [07:16:28] <annadane> !debian-next
451 [07:16:29] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
452 [07:16:33] <annadane> taserface, ^
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458 [07:23:53] <taserface> ah okay
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461 [07:37:20] <grummund> Ede|Popede: thank you.
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574 [09:28:14] <f8e4> how to md5sum first 1mb of a large file?
575 [09:30:10] <f8e4> cat test | head -c 1MB | md5sum # is too long
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580 [09:31:47] <EmleyMoor> f8e4: You mean "taking too long" or "too much to type"?
581 [09:32:00] <f8e4> typeing
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584 [09:32:46] <EmleyMoor> f8e4: Write a shell script that takes a parameter and does that...
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587 [09:34:35] * f8e4 yes actually
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614 [09:52:45] <ratrace> f8e4: you don't have to cat even. pls don't abuse cats :) head -c 1M | md5sum
615 [09:53:00] <ratrace> oops... head -c 1M <file> | md5sum
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626 [10:01:44] <ksk> ,file javaws
627 [10:01:50] <judd> Search for javaws in buster/amd64: bash-completion: usr/share/bash-completion/completions/javaws; nvidia-openjdk-8-jre: usr/lib/jvm/nvidia-java-8-openjdk-amd64/bin/javaws
628 [10:01:59] <ksk> mhhm.
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644 [10:11:39] <jelly> webstart has been removed from java 8 around... 8u130 or so
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646 [10:12:42] <jelly> I keep a copy of oracle-java8-jre 8u131 installed for that :-\
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651 [10:16:46] <ratrace> wait, is there any other way to run a jnlp file?
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653 [10:17:14] <ratrace> ah yes, icedtea!
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671 [10:26:57] <ksk> yeah, running ubuntu over here, but seems iceadtea is the way to go :)
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673 [10:27:24] <ksk> if you then disable all security globally for jre, you can even run this old piece of software I need to run :X
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718 [11:03:32] <netcrash> What's the name of debian based firewalls?
719 [11:03:35] <netcrash> Hello all
720 [11:03:51] <ksk> !based on debian
721 [11:03:51] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
722 [11:05:01] <ksk> netcrash: rather offtopic in there, but I would think you should be able to google that easily ( I personally like opnsense, its bsd-based though)
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724 [11:05:21] <netcrash> thank you
725 [11:05:37] <netcrash> I installed pfsense but ...
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731 [11:14:02] <pingfloyd> pfsense is based on freebsd
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735 [11:16:38] <pstk> hi!
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737 [11:17:27] <pstk> I ve recently installed on fresh debian on my latptop, I cannot enable hibernation
738 [11:17:49] <pstk> I have swap partition larger than busy ram
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741 [11:19:20] <pstk> what can I check?
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750 [11:25:03] <eolo999> Hi all, I am on Buster and rkhunter warns me about /usr/bin/egrep and when I `dpkg -S /usr/bin/egrep` it replies with `dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/bin/egrep`
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755 [11:28:48] <ksk> eolo999: ack, egrep is "/bin/egrep" over here..
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757 [11:29:03] <eolo999> solved myself, it is a consequence of replaced-url
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760 [11:29:24] <eolo999> ksk: thanks anyway
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770 [11:41:59] <grummund> libpam-smbpass hasn't been in Debian since jessie, it's referenced by various articles as a means to sync sambe and unix passwords.
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774 [11:43:03] <grummund> so i'm wondering if libpam-smbpass (pam_smbpass.so) is obsolete or replaced by something else?
775 [11:43:09] <eolo999> \bye
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783 [11:48:59] <ksk> ,v libpam-smbpass
784 [11:49:00] <judd> Package: libpam-smbpass on amd64 -- jessie: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u9; jessie-security: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u13
785 [11:49:19] <ksk> If I was able to remember that "why was package xy removed trigger", I could probably tell you ;)
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791 [11:50:20] * grummund grep'ed the removals log but was none the wiser - replaced-url
792 [11:50:49] <ksk> ,rm libpam-smbpass
793 [11:50:55] <ksk> mhhm :(
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802 [11:59:32] <MrTrick> Can cron be configured to email only if there's an error in cron (like the config) itself, or only if a script returns non-zero?
803 [12:00:22] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi guys
804 [12:00:48] <Eryn_1983_FL> does it make sense to have two servers doing the same role on one virtualmachine host cluster,
805 [12:01:05] <Eryn_1983_FL> its got multiple blades, i suppose i could put them on diff hdds diff blades?
806 [12:01:27] <Eryn_1983_FL> i see it done by my predecssors but i donot trust their knowledge..
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811 [12:03:34] <ksk> MrTrick: cron does mail if there is output. redirect stdout to /dev/null maybe?
812 [12:03:48] <jelly> MrTrick: no
813 [12:04:10] <ksk> this would make stdout dissapear of course, even if there was an error..
814 [12:04:49] <jelly> you'd have to write your cron jobs to do that (capture output and only show it if exit status != 0)
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823 [12:09:26] <Eryn_1983_FL> is there a server channel?
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825 [12:10:19] <ksk> Eryn_1983_FL: no, we do not differ between client and server related questions.
826 [12:10:54] <ksk> and to anwser your question: eh, depends on your policy/needs?
827 [12:11:06] <ksk> if you want stuff to be HA for example, you will have to put it onto multiple nodes..
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830 [12:13:27] <bacarrdy> Hello, Any one tryed to create raid of nvme drives with u.2 connector? was reading on internet so seems dell raid cards doesnt support it and sound only an highpoint raid card what supports. Also there may be software raid, so any one tryed?
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832 [12:14:04] <bacarrdy> sound - Found :)
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839 [12:22:25] <Eryn_1983_FL> not really just goinig to make a second dns server on it
840 [12:22:34] <Eryn_1983_FL> i want tomake some in other dcs too
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843 [12:24:07] <MrTrick> ksk: jelly: thanks, I've found replaced-url
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847 [12:26:01] <bacarrdy> Eryn_1983_FL: and what about dns server? If you are using pdns then simple, master, slave, slave, slave :)
848 [12:26:37] <bacarrdy> also you can check dnsdist for load balancer
849 [12:27:03] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
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916 [13:21:00] <nulleip> cant compile linux 5.5.9 '/usr/include/limits.h:124:26: error: no include path in which to search for limits.h'
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918 [13:21:22] <nulleip> debian unstable, cmd: make deb-pkg
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921 [13:22:03] <nulleip> something weird change in the last updates?
922 [13:22:17] <grummund> apt install libc6-dev
923 [13:23:18] <nulleip> i have that
924 [13:23:54] <nulleip> I just have compiled and installed 5.5.8, then apt-get dist-upgrade, reboot
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927 [13:24:57] <nulleip> permissions on /usr/include are global read for all files
928 [13:25:32] <nulleip> the only thing removed was 'python3.7:amd64 (3.7.7-1), python3.7-minimal:amd64 (3.7.7-1), libmypaint-1.3-0:amd64 (1.3.0-2.1+b1), libept1.5.0:amd64 (1.1+nmu3+b1)'
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930 [13:25:45] <nulleip> because of the dist-upgrade
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936 [13:29:13] <nulleip> maybe something change on libgcc-9-dev:amd64 from 9.2.1-31 to 9.3.0-1
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940 [13:32:13] <nulleip> or on libc6-dev:amd64 from 2.29-10 to 2.30-2
941 [13:32:20] <taserface> try downgrading them
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946 [13:35:47] <nulleip> maybe, I will try to compile on another test box with same setup with previous versions, thank you
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949 [13:38:08] <lyindArk> hi there, i am trying to use debootstrap to get testing (bullseye) by codename as in "debootstrap --keyring='/usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg' bullseye /mnt/root replaced-url
950 [13:38:12] <lyindArk> E: Failed getting release file replaced-url
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952 [13:38:45] <lyindArk> i can perfectly access replaced-url
953 [13:38:53] <lyindArk> what is going on?
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956 [13:41:13] <lyindArk> fixed it: seems like my HTTP caching proxy (squid) didn't like the ?redirects? the archive mirror was doing
957 [13:41:51] <ksk> lyindArk: just guessing, but might ftp2.de be some anycast/whatnot routing service, and you end up on different boxes?
958 [13:42:14] <lyindArk> ksk: possible, but why would that not work with squid in between?
959 [13:42:48] <lyindArk> ksk: it works perfectly fine with buster
960 [13:42:54] <ksk> lyindArk: I was thinking that your debootstrap on machine A gets conncted to repo Y, which is out of date / in sync right now.
961 [13:42:59] <lyindArk> ksk: same mirror domain
962 [13:43:11] <ksk> in contrast to your browser on machine B, getting to repo Z, which is synced.
963 [13:43:33] <ksk> thats why I putin the "is ftp2.de anycast-backed domain"-question :>
964 [13:43:49] <ksk> like, ftp.d.o certainly is, for example.
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966 [13:44:31] <ksk> oh, no, its "deb.debian.org".
967 [13:44:35] <ksk> !mirror
968 [13:44:35] <dpkg> The best mirror for most users is <deb.debian.org>; other mirrors are listed at replaced-url
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970 [13:45:11] <lyindArk> ksk: i'm gonna try deb.debian.org just for fun, one moment
971 [13:45:21] <lyindArk> ksk: (cause i like my cache)
972 [13:45:31] <ksk> dpkg, no, mirror is :s/<httpredir.debian.org>,//
973 [13:45:32] <dpkg> ksk: okay
974 [13:45:53] <ksk> ah snap.
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982 [13:47:49] <ksk> mhhm, got it fixed partially, unfortunately my client seems to end message after a certain number of chars, so I cannot put back in the irc.oftc.net part :>
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992 [13:52:28] <lyindArk> ksk: i checked my squid logs and found a lot of TCP_MISS/503 errors. after restarting the proxy all mirrors work again. i have no idea what caused it, but the issue seems to have been the proxy
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994 [13:52:33] <lyindArk> ksk: thank you!
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998 [13:54:36] <lyindArk> ksk: (especially for httpredir.debian.org, will come in handy for deployments in other zones)
999 [13:55:00] <lyindArk> ksk: no need for that mirror choosing logic anymore (except for providers who have their own internal mirrors)
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1082 [14:43:25] <otisolsen70> With isc-dhcp-server, is there an easy way to configure it to provide some clients with one DNS configuration and other clients with a different DNS configuration?
1083 [14:43:44] <otisolsen70> I just want all clients that are not the DHCP server itself to have one DNS server. And the DHCP server itself to use itself as DNS server.
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1105 [14:55:33] <phogg> otisolsen70: that's quite trivial
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1107 [14:56:13] <rootkea> Hello! I am using Debian on Dell laptop with Synaptics touchpad. From some time my tocuhpad pointer used to stuck and then I had to modprobe -r and modprobe psmouse in succession. But since yesterday nothing works. Even cat /proc/bus/input/devices | grep -iI touchpad displays nothing.
1108 [14:56:18] <phogg> otisolsen70: I run isc-dhcp-server and all you do is set option domain-name-servers to whatever you want to send. What's in your server's /etc/resolv.conf can be something else
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1114 [14:58:56] <fromashes> ello
1115 [14:59:12] <otisolsen70> phogg, the issue is, that my dhcp server uses it self for network conf. So it is itself a dhcp client to itself.
1116 [14:59:41] <greycat> ... what.
1117 [14:59:56] <greycat> I'm almost 100% certain that isn't how that works.
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1120 [15:00:07] <phogg> otisolsen70: don't do that
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1123 [15:00:21] <fromashes> almost 100 % certain--- kinda constradicting
1124 [15:00:23] <fromashes> cannot be both
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1126 [15:00:26] <fromashes> : p
1127 [15:00:36] <greycat> 98% certain? that's almost 100%.
1128 [15:00:57] <fromashes> damn straight it is
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1130 [15:01:05] <greycat> You need to bring up the DHCP server listening interface first, which means it needs an IP address, and then start the DHCP server process.
1131 [15:01:05] <phogg> otisolsen70: in any case you can serve different options to different clients by mac addr, subnet, host name, various things.
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1134 [15:01:49] <fromashes> ok you sound techy--- question-- i've been trying to join the AnonOps Server to get in touch with my fellow Anons. But it says my SSL Cert was Denied
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1136 [15:01:55] <fromashes> how can i remedy?
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1141 [15:03:06] <otisolsen70> greycat, I have multiple NICs in this machine.
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1143 [15:03:21] <otisolsen70> greycat, one of them gets network config from its own dhcp server
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1156 [15:07:01] <otisolsen70> greycat, you mean I should use static network conf on the dhcp server.
1157 [15:07:06] <otisolsen70> On all NICs?
1158 [15:07:51] <greycat> Not an *all* NICs necessarily. But my understanding is that the one that the DHCP server LISTENS ON must have a static IP.
1159 [15:08:05] <greycat> 10:01 greycat> You need to bring up the DHCP server listening interface first, [...]
1160 [15:08:08] <otisolsen70> greycat, yes. and that is the case.
1161 [15:08:26] <otisolsen70> greycat, however, one of the other NICs in this machine gets config from DHCP. It is on the same network.
1162 [15:08:43] <greycat> I didn't get far enough away.
1163 [15:08:51] <otisolsen70> Haha.
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1183 [15:18:17] <annadane> i sort of asked this already elsewhere but i just wondered if i could maybe get second opinions, i use an nvidia card (i know, shame on me) and i'm not sure when it becomes unsupported, but i may have to use the legacy packages for bullseye... what'd be a sane upgrade path? to switch from nvidia-driver to the legacy packages? i guess i'd have to switch to nouveau, uninstall nvidia-driver, do the upgrade under nouveau and then post install,
1184 [15:18:18] <annadane> install the legacy package or something
1185 [15:19:03] <greycat> ask the #debian-next channel about bullseye's support for your specific chipset (give the relevant pieces of lspci -nn output)
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1189 [15:20:37] <annadane> i meant when bullseye becomes stable
1190 [15:20:50] <greycat> same answer.
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1193 [15:22:36] <ratrace> annadane: even if you have to switch packages, you can do it during the same upgrade step. uninstalling nvidia won't remove already loaded mod; you reshuffle packages, reboot to take effect.
1194 [15:22:43] <phogg> otisolsen70: what's the point of having two network interfaces to the same network?
1195 [15:22:47] <Guest25> Hi guys, I want to use dwm on Debian. But to apply these patches you have to download the source code to patch then recompile dwm then install it somehow. How should I go about this? Do I not use the apt install dwm and download the git version or what?
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1200 [15:23:11] <otisolsen70> phogg, some network simulations I am doing sometimes.
1201 [15:23:16] <greycat> ,v dwm
1202 [15:23:17] <judd> Package: dwm on amd64 -- jessie: 6.0-7; stretch: 6.1-3; buster: 6.1-5; bullseye: 6.1-5+b1; sid: 6.1-5+b1
1203 [15:23:19] <plasmoduck> It's got my stumped
1204 [15:23:20] <annadane> plasmoduck, yeah, you compile it
1205 [15:23:30] <annadane> not really meant to be apt installed
1206 [15:23:33] <otisolsen70> phogg, it is not vitally important and I am aware it is a bit ugly. For now, I have just unplugged the DHCP'ed NIC.
1207 [15:23:43] <plasmoduck> Do I already have it installed via apt install dwm. Should I remove it then manually download it from git?
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1210 [15:23:47] <plasmoduck> Ok thanks
1211 [15:23:52] <annadane> i'd say so yes
1212 [15:23:55] * greycat confused
1213 [15:24:05] <plasmoduck> Then how do I install it so I can startx
1214 [15:24:08] <greycat> what's wrong with the version that's in Debian?
1215 [15:24:11] <annadane> apt installing it AFAIK leaves no room for customizatio
1216 [15:24:14] <annadane> n
1217 [15:24:17] <phogg> otisolsen70: you can feed a different set of options to a client by mac (and many other things) via a block in dhcpd.conf. I suggest you read the manual.
1218 [15:24:34] * greycat reads the package description
1219 [15:24:54] <greycat> " Please notice that dwm is currently customized through editing its source code, so you probably want to build your own dwm packages." Uh. OK....
1220 [15:25:42] <greycat> I get the strong feeling that if you have to ask "how do I install it and startx", this is not the tool for you.
1221 [15:25:47] <phogg> that's the problem with the suckless folks, too committed to simplicity to even allow runtime options
1222 [15:25:51] <plasmoduck> I can't find any instructions for a novice user. All the instructions related to patching and building are geared towards more experienced users.
1223 [15:26:07] <phogg> plasmoduck: this isn't really "novice user" territory
1224 [15:26:12] <annadane> startx is probably as simple as putting /usr/bin/dwm in your .xinitrc or wherever the startx stuff goes, i think there
1225 [15:26:19] <annadane> yeah, welcome to suckless tools
1226 [15:26:21] <greycat> you can use .xsession in Debian
1227 [15:26:24] <plasmoduck> I know how to startx and update-alternatives etc
1228 [15:26:25] <annadane> the code is in C, sohave fun
1229 [15:26:35] <greycat> *sigh* update-alternatives, just no.
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1231 [15:26:46] <phogg> plasmoduck: there's no need to add an alternative for this
1232 [15:26:46] <greycat> write a freakin' .xsession file already
1233 [15:26:56] <plasmoduck> But when I make install it will installed it to /usr/bin or something so I can just create a .Xinitrc file and put exec dwm?
1234 [15:27:24] <greycat> if you insist on using the legacy filename, it is .xinitrc not .Xinitrc
1235 [15:27:29] <phogg> plasmoduck: typically it will install to /usr/local, not /usr, so as to not interfere with packaged software. If it doesn't by default you should specify /usr/local as your prefix at build time.
1236 [15:27:37] <plasmoduck> Ok thanks
1237 [15:28:14] <annadane> yeah, read the makefile and stuff
1238 [15:28:42] <annadane> FWIW people use i3wm and are fairly happy with it for less effort
1239 [15:29:10] <annadane> dwm is decently advanced, to be able to edit the code and understand certain concepts
1240 [15:30:01] <phogg> I never found it more useful than other tiling WMs.
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1242 [15:30:48] <plasmoduck> I like the whole Suckless philosophy. Do one thing and do it well etc.
1243 [15:31:06] <phogg> plasmoduck: as do I. There's a lot to like... but they take it a *bit* too far.
1244 [15:31:08] <plasmoduck> The small code base. Customisation
1245 [15:31:25] <plasmoduck> Surf and ST is awesome
1246 [15:31:31] <greycat> I would dispute whether a window manager with no config file ("just edit the source and recompile") is doing one thing well
1247 [15:31:33] <phogg> plasmoduck: look at bspwm some time.
1248 [15:32:22] <plasmoduck> I found dwm-sprinkles its a patched modified dwm but its not in active dev
1249 [15:32:57] <annadane> yeah, dwm does have patches.
1250 [15:33:09] <annadane> for those who like that sort of thing
1251 [15:33:20] <phogg> there's minimalism, and then there's minimalism. Simplicity and unity of purpose is not the same thing as minimal, and the former is far more useful than the latter.
1252 [15:34:08] <annadane> how people feel about vim the first time is basically how i feel whenever i try dwm
1253 [15:34:15] <annadane> "ok, now how do i... what is th... HELP"
1254 [15:35:23] <phogg> annadane: tiling WMs would be more popular if they let you ease in to it by also being floating WMs controllable by traditional mouse means (and defaulting to that)
1255 [15:35:53] <annadane> i hear awesome is pretty good for a lot of stuff
1256 [15:36:09] <phogg> That's one I haven't given a serious try yet. I keep meaning to. Maybe this year.
1257 [15:36:42] <karlpinc> I've never really tried a tiling wm. I work in text windows and want an 80 char width for readablity.
1258 [15:38:02] <greycat> as god intended
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1260 [15:38:14] <phogg> ^ that
1261 [15:38:27] <phogg> You know what X is good for? 80 column terminals with more than 25 lines in them.
1262 [15:38:44] <phogg> and web browsers, I gues
1263 [15:39:20] <greycat> Guess what I have running in X right now? 17 terminals that are 80 characters wide (with varying heights) and two web browsers.
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1266 [15:40:13] <phogg> I have 67 urxvt, emacs, waterfox, gimp, and xchat.
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1268 [15:41:06] <greycat> 67 terminals? damn.
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1271 [15:41:37] <phogg> I run e16 with 4x8 areas. It gives me a lot of space, and each one needs a terminal or two.
1272 [15:41:49] <annadane> i've tried waterfox, since abandoned it :P
1273 [15:41:51] <salkin> Could some of you guys help me with / point me towards how to add a build into the the debian apt package system?
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1275 [15:42:10] <greycat> !mentors
1276 [15:42:10] <dpkg> methinks mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. replaced-url
1277 [15:42:26] <greycat> Assuming that's what you meant. The question was rather ambiguous.
1278 [15:42:32] <salkin> sorry ;)
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1280 [15:43:19] <plasmoduck> dwm.c:40:10: fatal error: X11/extensions/Xinerama.h: No such file or directory
1281 [15:43:24] <plasmoduck> Whats this about?
1282 [15:43:33] <greycat> Install the -dev package that contains this header file.
1283 [15:43:37] <annadane> i think you probably have to apt build-source dwm
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1286 [15:43:59] <greycat> *nod* or that, which should in theory bring in ALL the necessary -dev pacakges at once
1287 [15:43:59] <annadane> build-dep, sorry
1288 [15:44:08] <annadane> yeah, but it's fairly minimal in dwm's case
1289 [15:44:15] <annadane> but, yes, use discretion
1290 [15:44:41] <salkin> I am not really sure how to ask. but if i have a source of SuperCollider [replaced-url
1291 [15:44:57] <salkin> the supercollider package is outdated, an no one is keeping it alive.
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1294 [15:46:22] <salkin> i will ask the mentors
1295 [15:46:59] <salkin> thanks
1296 [15:47:14] <annadane> there's two philosophies with installing -dev packages, one is install one at a time (and do you know what you're looking for, do you know what -dev package provides what functionality), and then just compile and recompile until no more errors, the other philosophy is just install all of them at once using apt build-dep
1297 [15:47:30] <annadane> depends how much disk space you have, how bloated you want your system to be etc
1298 [15:47:36] <annadane> i would never apt build-dep emacs
1299 [15:47:40] <annadane> too much stuff
1300 [15:48:11] <greycat> I install them as needed, and leave them installed, because if I needed it once, I'll probably need it again later.
1301 [15:48:30] <annadane> also because emacs is sort of, pick and choose what functionality you actually want, not "you need all of these to make it minimally functional"
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1303 [15:50:49] <annadane> packages' github/gitlab/whatever pages generally have general good compilation practices
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1310 [15:54:55] <annadane> incidentally sometimes debian gets old enough that it stops being able to compile dwm, if you're version-chasing then at some point you may need to wait until bullseye becomes stable to actually be able to use the newest dwm
1311 [15:54:59] <annadane> it's been a problem before
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1313 [15:55:19] <annadane> not that newest versions = always better, of course
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1319 [15:58:21] <annadane> ratrace, would you suggest purging nvidia when replacing the packages or just uninstalling, i suppose i could just purge
1320 [15:58:29] <annadane> i don't know if the conf files would conflict
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1323 [15:59:12] <greycat> why are you assuming that you need to swap out the nvidia drivers, without actually checking first?
1324 [15:59:32] <annadane> in the event i need to swap out
1325 [15:59:38] <annadane> i'm not doing this now
1326 [15:59:44] <annadane> it'd be when i dist-upgrade to bullseye
1327 [16:01:37] <annadane> so like in 15 months
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1330 [16:04:18] <annadane> guess i'll just apt remove, i don't purge unless it's for very good reason
1331 [16:04:55] <greycat> Or, like, you could go find out what chipset you HAVE, and see whether that chipset is currently supported in bullseye using whatever driver packages you're currently using.
1332 [16:05:15] <greycat> In which case the answer is very likely to be "you don't have to change anything".
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1336 [16:08:56] <Akuw> when i use "apt-cache search packagename" i can see basic info about package, but what is i want to know the .deb file that installed that package?
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1347 [16:13:04] <greycat> Akuw: apt-get --print-uris install pkgname
1348 [16:13:27] <greycat> (doesn't need root, either)
1349 [16:13:36] <Akuw> thanks
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1351 [16:15:48] <Akuw> is this a package "libusb-1.0-0:amd64 (1.0.19-1, automatic)" or virtal one? how can i know that?
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1353 [16:16:17] <greycat> ,v libusb-1.0-0
1354 [16:16:19] <judd> Package: libusb-1.0-0 on amd64 -- jessie: 2:1.0.19-1; stretch: 2:1.0.21-1; buster: 2:1.0.22-2; bullseye: 2:1.0.23-2; sid: 2:1.0.23-2
1355 [16:17:40] <Akuw> then name of .deb file is libusb?
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1357 [16:17:56] <greycat> The name of the PACKAGE is libusb-1.0-0
1358 [16:18:18] <greycat> The name of the ARCH (ARCHITECTURE) is amd64
1359 [16:18:46] <greycat> The name of the FILE would be visible in the output of apt-get --print-uris install libusb-1.0-0
1360 [16:19:00] <Akuw> i am doing this "apt-cache search libusb-1.0-0"
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1362 [16:19:20] <greycat> oh, and if it's already installed, you would need to add --reinstall as well
1363 [16:19:23] <Akuw> that return "libusb-1.0-0 - userspace USB programming library"
1364 [16:19:33] <greycat> You are not FUCKING LISTEDNING.
1365 [16:19:50] <greycat> I told you what command to run and then you went and ran SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
1366 [16:20:17] <Akuw> libusb-1.0-0 is already the newest version.
1367 [16:20:20] <greycat> apt-get --print-uris --reinstall install libusb-1.0-0
1368 [16:20:36] <Akuw> i need to install in another computer
1369 [16:20:39] <greycat> apt-get --print-uris --reinstall install libusb-1.0-0
1370 [16:20:45] <Akuw> so i am comparing
1371 [16:20:48] <greycat> apt-get --print-uris --reinstall install libusb-1.0-0
1372 [16:21:12] <Akuw> E: Package 'libusb-1.0-0' has no installation candidate
1373 [16:21:40] <greycat> According to judd, it has installation candidates in jessie, stretch, buster, bullseye and sid.
1374 [16:21:46] <greycat> Are you on something different from those?
1375 [16:21:52] <Akuw> no
1376 [16:22:59] <Akuw> i am searching "ls libusb-1.0-0*" in my local repo
1377 [16:23:04] <Akuw> but is not there
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1385 [16:25:12] <ratrace> Akuw: is this "another computer" a Debian too?
1386 [16:25:21] <Akuw> both debian
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1388 [16:25:41] <ratrace> Akuw: can you pastebin apt-cache policy libusb-1.0-0 you run on that other computer?
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1390 [16:28:17] <greycat> "my local repo" clearly doesn't have this package in it and I am no longer willing to help this person, Like, ever.
1391 [16:28:47] <greycat> !hurts
1392 [16:28:47] <dpkg> "Doctor, it hurts when I bend my arm this way!"
1393 [16:28:50] <Akuw> replaced-url
1394 [16:28:55] <ksk> I feel validated :D
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1397 [16:29:20] <greycat> I've had this person on temporary /ignore at least half a dozen times. It's permanent now.
1398 [16:29:28] <jelly> !win greycat
1399 [16:29:28] <dpkg> Congratulations, greycat! You have won a one way ticket to Cleveland!
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1401 [16:29:50] <greycat> but I'm already here...
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1403 [16:30:23] <ratrace> Akuw: did you mess up the apt sources.list on that other computer?
1404 [16:30:29] <jelly> dpkg, literal CMD: win (.*?)
1405 [16:30:29] <dpkg> "cmd: win (.*?)" is "($1): <reply> Congratulations, $1! You have won (second prize in a beauty contest|a one way ticket to (Baghdad|Cleveland|Nova Scotia|Christmas Island|Beirut|Rio de Janeiro|Fire Island|Gaza|Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!)|the US presidency|a lifetime supply of spam|the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120)!"
1406 [16:30:48] <jelly> pick another one, Beirut is nice this time of year?
1407 [16:30:57] <Akuw> ratrace: no, it is the same
1408 [16:31:05] <Akuw> let me check
1409 [16:31:09] <ratrace> Akuw: pastebin it please
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1413 [16:32:26] <Akuw> it is in /etc/apt/source.list.d directory/ "deb [trusted=yes] file:///var/lib/local-apt-repository/ ./"
1414 [16:32:42] <Akuw> sorry
1415 [16:32:54] <ratrace> no proper debian repos?
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1417 [16:33:13] <Akuw> it is in /etc/apt/source.list.d"
1418 [16:33:18] <Akuw> its a local repo
1419 [16:33:36] <ratrace> no proper debian repos?
1420 [16:33:48] <Akuw> what do you mean
1421 [16:34:34] <ratrace> !sources.list
1422 [16:34:34] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
1423 [16:34:55] <Akuw> source.list its commented
1424 [16:34:58] <greycat> 11:15 Akuw> is this a package "libusb-1.0-0:amd64 (1.0.19-1, automatic)"
1425 [16:35:02] <greycat> 11:16 judd> Package: libusb-1.0-0 on amd64 -- jessie: 2:1.0.19-1;
1426 [16:35:04] <ratrace> substitute "buster" for jessie if you're still on jessie (and that libusb version installed seems to suggest so)
1427 [16:35:32] <Akuw> then, could be the person who install that package deleted from local repo right?
1428 [16:35:50] <ratrace> Akuw: or your "local repo" is broken in some other was.
1429 [16:35:56] <ratrace> *ways
1430 [16:36:00] <greycat> IIRC this was the same person who DEMANDED that we tell them how to get a particular point release CD image for jessie, so they could install a PARTICULAR buggy old point release of jessie on their isolated system.
1431 [16:36:03] <Akuw> hummm
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1433 [16:36:17] <jelly> Akuw: who created this local repo, and its Packages list?
1434 [16:36:28] <Akuw> jelly: another person
1435 [16:37:02] <Akuw> the strange thing is i can install all packges, but that package is not there, only that package
1436 [16:37:12] <jelly> if apt-cache policy does not list the package, then either the package is not there, or the repo is not created properly
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1439 [16:37:29] <Akuw> jelly: let me check that in Package file
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1441 [16:38:42] <Akuw> upss, is not in "Package" file
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1443 [16:39:09] <Akuw> only line is this "Depends: libc6 (>= 2.15), libusb-1.0-0 (>= 2:1.0.8)"
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1445 [16:39:36] <jelly> fix your repo.
1446 [16:39:59] <jelly> and there is no "Package" files, only "Packages" or "Packages.gz" or "Packages.xz"
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1448 [16:40:29] <Akuw> sorry, Packages
1449 [16:40:45] <jelly> Akuw: that file needs to be updated every time binary .deb packages are added or removed
1450 [16:41:01] <Akuw> yes, that should be done for that person
1451 [16:41:09] <jelly> by that person?
1452 [16:41:27] <Akuw> another persona who is working with me
1453 [16:41:33] <Akuw> *person
1454 [16:42:04] <jelly> "for that person" means someone else has to do it, not them; "by that person" means "that person needs to do it"
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1456 [16:42:31] <Akuw> well, that person have to do it
1457 [16:42:43] <Akuw> but, for some reason, delete that
1458 [16:42:48] <Akuw> let me ask
1459 [16:42:50] <jelly> that's written "by that person", then
1460 [16:43:13] <jelly> "done by that person"
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1462 [16:43:47] <greycat> Or you simplify the declarations. "Fred must mount the tape. Then Diana must restore the data."
1463 [16:44:01] <greycat> Get rid of pronouns, passive voice, etc.
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1467 [16:45:15] <Akuw> that is the reason i cant install pcscd, because Depends of libccid and that depends of libusb-1.0-0
1468 [16:45:36] <Akuw> so when i look for "libusb-1.0-0" is not there
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1470 [16:46:23] <Akuw> "libccid_1.4.18-1_amd64.deb" is there
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1475 [16:48:19] <Akuw> only found this --> libusb-dev_0.1.12-25_amd64.deb and libusb-dev_0.1.12-25_i386.deb
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1488 [16:55:13] <diogenes_> Softpedia and TechRadar article making this claim or pointing out that Debian Linux had more vulnerabilities than Windows.
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1492 [16:56:26] <Akuw> i found this "replaced-url
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1498 [16:57:35] <randomnick-> is it possible to update to gnome 3.6 in debian 10? If yes how?
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1500 [16:57:53] <greycat> !stable
1501 [16:57:53] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Buster (10.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). replaced-url
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1503 [16:58:14] <greycat> one does not simply walk into^W^W replace GNOME on a stable release
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1505 [16:59:34] <randomnick-> so it's not possible?
1506 [17:00:35] <greycat> You would most likely have more success just running testing or unstable.
1507 [17:01:04] <greycat> It's not like the resulting mishmash of software would even be buster any more, if you *did* succeed, and I wouldn't even try.
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1511 [17:03:59] <randomnick-> actually it's just gnome-shell I want to update, in order to try this tiling system: replaced-url
1512 [17:04:21] <greycat> does testing have the required version of gnome-shell?
1513 [17:04:53] <randomnick-> last I tried was "experimental", I will try with testing now, thanks.
1514 [17:05:09] <greycat> !experimental
1515 [17:05:09] <dpkg> experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. replaced-url
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1518 [17:06:07] <randomnick-> !testing
1519 [17:06:07] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <bullseye>. See replaced-url
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1530 [17:10:36] <Akuw> i found in history "Install: usbutils:amd64 (007-2), libusb-1.0-0:amd64 (1.0.19-1, automatic)" that means libusb-1.0-0 was installed, that means packages was in local repo
1531 [17:11:08] <phogg> Akuw: so why isn't it there now?
1532 [17:11:52] <Akuw> i dont know, is some kind of game or what?
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1534 [17:11:59] <Akuw> i mean, from that persona
1535 [17:12:02] <Akuw> person
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1537 [17:12:57] <Akuw> in "Packages" only has "Install: usbutils:amd64 (007-2), libusb-1.0-0:amd64 (1.0.19-1, automatic)"
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1556 [17:31:17] <ZeroWalker> i am trying to enable noop scheduler on debian10 to no avail, has it been disabled or something?
1557 [17:31:56] <jelly> ZeroWalker: ioscheduler?
1558 [17:32:04] <ZeroWalker> yeah
1559 [17:32:25] <twemlow> no one:
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1561 [17:32:31] <twemlow> no one at all:
1562 [17:32:34] <twemlow> i use btw
1563 [17:32:34] <jelly> ZeroWalker: there's a "none"
1564 [17:32:40] <twemlow> i use arch btw*
1565 [17:32:46] <jelly> cat /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler
1566 [17:32:51] <jelly> [none] mq-deadline
1567 [17:32:56] <ZeroWalker> it's a vm so i usually set it to noop as it's recommended from my understanding as it removes much of the OS fiddling. But i just can't seem to make it work, i am using the grub config with "elevator=noop"
1568 [17:33:15] <ZeroWalker> yeah noticed that so have tried the "none" as well, is it different than noop?
1569 [17:33:15] <jelly> twemlow: #debian-offtopic is right over there ->
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1573 [17:34:51] <jelly> I don't know but deadline / mq-deadline are pretty ok for general use
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1575 [17:35:03] <jelly> including VMs
1576 [17:37:54] <Akuw> jelly: i have a question
1577 [17:38:03] <jelly> !ask
1578 [17:38:03] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1579 [17:38:25] <Akuw> this package "libusb-dev_0.1.12-25_amd64.deb"
1580 [17:38:50] <Akuw> could has "libusb-1.0-0" ?
1581 [17:39:03] <jelly> what?
1582 [17:39:11] <ZeroWalker> not saying it's not ok, but if none/noop is better than it's enough for me, if i can get performance benefit, especially from disk, it's good enough (it's kinda overburdened atm)
1583 [17:39:24] <ZeroWalker> how did oyu set it to none btw?
1584 [17:39:24] <jelly> Akuw: sorry, I don't understand with you're asking
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1586 [17:39:44] <jelly> ZeroWalker: that seems to be the default
1587 [17:39:57] <ZeroWalker> and you were on?
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1589 [17:40:10] <jelly> oh,no, that's a lie
1590 [17:40:20] <ZeroWalker> a white one though
1591 [17:40:42] <jelly> I have this in my /etc/sysfs.conf, and sysfsutils is installed:
1592 [17:40:44] <jelly> block/sda/queue/scheduler = none
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1594 [17:41:39] <greycat> I'm reading replaced-url
1595 [17:41:41] <jelly> grep . /sys/block/sd*/queue/scheduler says...
1596 [17:41:52] <jelly> /sys/block/sdd/queue/scheduler:[mq-deadline] none
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1599 [17:42:04] <jelly> so that seems to be the actual default
1600 [17:43:19] <jelly> my reading is "suddenly, not provoked by any darn thing, X stated that / exclaimed / barfed"
1601 [17:44:42] <jelly> used for any sort of unexpected or uncommon behaviour, but mimicking a multi user chat conversation quote
1602 [17:45:57] <jelly> (single user chats are sometimes boring)
1603 [17:46:23] <TomyWork> but free of phishing attacks
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1610 [17:48:37] <bebop3> hello!
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1615 [17:51:49] <bebop3> hello?
1616 [17:51:54] <TomyWork> no.
1617 [17:52:14] <greycat> this is a support channel, not a socializing channel, so we usually ignore things like "hi"
1618 [17:52:33] <bebop3> cool, i was checking if it work!
1619 [17:52:38] <bebop3> thanks by the way
1620 [17:52:57] <TomyWork> that was not apparent from your message :)
1621 [17:53:26] <bebop3> take care guys!
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1632 [17:57:22] <annadane> how dare #debian not possess mind reading abilities?
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1666 [18:12:29] <cybercrypto> !10.3
1667 [18:12:29] <dpkg> Debian 10.3 was released on Feb 8, 2020. This point release corrects some serious bugs and copies security updates across to the main archive. Given the <kernel ABI> change, apt-get will require a dist-upgrade to upgrade. Further details are at replaced-url
1668 [18:12:49] <b1ack0p> huh
1669 [18:12:54] <b1ack0p> is it stable*
1670 [18:12:55] <b1ack0p> ?
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1672 [18:13:15] <b1ack0p> when will 11 be released?
1673 [18:14:02] <greycat> there isn't a timeline yet, so "at least a year" would be a reasonable starting point
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1675 [18:14:26] <greycat> you can also try to extrapolate from the intervals between past releases
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1677 [18:15:03] <b1ack0p> will deb drop 32bit?
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1680 [18:15:30] <greycat> I've never heard of any plans to do so.
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1682 [18:16:19] <b1ack0p> when will xfce update come to deb?
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1685 [18:17:27] <annadane> when bullseye releases
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1687 [18:17:52] <annadane> or unless someone heroically backports it like it's been done with MATE in the past
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1689 [18:18:14] <b1ack0p> hmmm
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1692 [18:19:41] <NetTerminalGene> black_ant, what are you using currently?
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1694 [18:20:04] <NetTerminalGene> b1ack0p, i mean you
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1704 [18:26:34] <b1ack0p> NetTerminalGene: deb10 xfce 4.12
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1713 [18:32:20] <NetTerminalGene> b1ack0p, is it fast?
1714 [18:32:30] <NetTerminalGene> i am considering to swotch xfce from gnome
1715 [18:32:34] <NetTerminalGene> switch
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1719 [18:42:13] <b1ack0p> NetTerminalGene: ofcourse fast
1720 [18:42:35] <b1ack0p> but some features dont work build in
1721 [18:42:39] <b1ack0p> you need to tweak
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1723 [18:42:58] <NetTerminalGene> b1ack0p, does mousepad open text files without any lag. i mean immediately?
1724 [18:43:09] <b1ack0p> such as enabling system sounds
1725 [18:43:18] <b1ack0p> NetTerminalGene: yes it does
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1727 [18:43:31] <b1ack0p> i used it on an 13 yrs old laptop
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1729 [18:44:06] <NetTerminalGene> b1ack0p, do you mean sound effects?
1730 [18:44:26] <b1ack0p> NetTerminalGene: yes
1731 [18:44:40] <b1ack0p> error message sounds, notification sounds.. etc
1732 [18:45:21] <b1ack0p> theme and feel is really good and fast
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1734 [18:45:28] <b1ack0p> you can customize panels
1735 [18:46:04] <NetTerminalGene> cool
1736 [18:46:47] <b1ack0p> why dont you try it?
1737 [18:47:04] <b1ack0p> default theme is a bit ancient but you can install cooler icon sets and themes
1738 [18:47:10] <b1ack0p> i am using Papirus icon theme
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1740 [18:48:16] <b1ack0p> myself was also gnome user for long time but i am happy with xfce
1741 [18:48:39] <NetTerminalGene> did you install xfce because your pc is old?
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1743 [18:48:49] <b1ack0p> they say recent version of xfce is better but deb is not supporting it at the moment.. maybe in future
1744 [18:48:54] <b1ack0p> NetTerminalGene: yes
1745 [18:49:25] <NetTerminalGene> 4.12 is 5 years old!
1746 [18:49:39] <b1ack0p> i think recent is 4.14 +
1747 [18:49:46] <NetTerminalGene> yes
1748 [18:50:02] <annadane> i'm decently happy on 4.12
1749 [18:50:05] <b1ack0p> well there are some annoying things on xfce but it is ok
1750 [18:50:13] <b1ack0p> 4.12
1751 [18:50:29] <annadane> xfce really doesn't change all that much between versions
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1753 [18:50:52] <b1ack0p> maybe GNU version changed
1754 [18:50:54] <NetTerminalGene> annadane, why do you use xfce? old computer?
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1756 [18:51:17] <b1ack0p> NetTerminalGene: do you have new computeR? :p
1757 [18:51:27] <annadane> no, just my favorite desktop
1758 [18:51:31] <NetTerminalGene> yeah. relatively new
1759 [18:51:34] <NetTerminalGene> 3 yo
1760 [18:51:41] <annadane> i've tried other things and i just like xfce more
1761 [18:51:53] <b1ack0p> gnome classic is nice too
1762 [18:52:04] <b1ack0p> but i hate that it s not possible to hide the dock
1763 [18:52:09] <b1ack0p> or disable
1764 [18:53:05] <b1ack0p> on xfce i still couldnt change keyboard layout :/
1765 [18:53:14] <b1ack0p> not sure if it is debian or xfce issue
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1769 [18:55:04] <nulleip> blackro0t: install ibus
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1771 [18:55:40] <NetTerminalGene> same mistake
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1773 [18:57:08] <b1ack0p> i wonder who will tab my nick correctly :p
1774 [18:57:18] <nulleip> oh
1775 [18:57:52] <b1ack0p> nulleip: i did already installed ibus, first i could set new keyboard layout without problem but then after i logout-in or reboot, it again set back to default layout
1776 [18:58:20] <nulleip> b1ack0p :kkk
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1778 [18:59:38] <nulleip> b1ack0p : in advanced tab did you marked to use same input method across all windows?
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1780 [19:00:07] <b1ack0p> nulleip: i think yes.. i dont remember i purged it
1781 [19:00:21] <b1ack0p> as i say it worked fine at first but not later
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1783 [19:00:56] <nulleip> b1ack0p : never had any problems with ibus, only have to change ibus settings or /etc/default/keyboard
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1785 [19:02:07] <nulleip> b1ack0p : I use xfce too, my favorite de
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1787 [19:03:19] <nulleip> b1ack0p : easy to compile it all by hand too...
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1789 [19:04:08] <NetTerminalGene> nulleip, do you use thunar?
1790 [19:04:21] <nulleip> NetTerminalGene: yes
1791 [19:04:42] <NetTerminalGene> it's too simple for my usage
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1795 [19:05:10] <nulleip> NetTerminalGene: for complicated usage of anything use terminal... kk
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1797 [19:05:21] <NetTerminalGene> lol
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1886 [20:08:25] <Rix58> Am I on the correct "channel" for discussions concerning Linux MX...or any linuxmint?
1887 [20:08:32] <greycat> no
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1889 [20:09:21] <Rix58> greycat OK....know what channel that would be?
1890 [20:09:31] <greycat> !mx linux
1891 [20:09:31] <dpkg> MX-18 Linux is based on Debian stretch; MX-19 is based on Debian buster. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at replaced-url
1892 [20:09:32] <greycat> !mint
1893 [20:09:34] <greycat> !mint
1894 [20:09:34] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
1895 [20:10:09] <Rix58> Thank You
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1922 [20:32:13] <tharkun> Is there a "simple" way of plugging the iphone to a laptop and download photos and videos?
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1955 [20:54:51] <wilmaa> hello, am wanting to resize an non logical extension with gparted, and have booted from live usb stick but don't understand
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1957 [20:55:06] <wilmaa> " You can move unallocated space to be inside or outside of the extended partition by resizing the extended partition boundaries. "
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1962 [20:55:37] <wilmaa> You can move unallocated space to be inside or outside of the extended partition by resizing the extended partition boundaries.
1963 [20:55:37] <tinfoil-hat> Hey, how can I change the timezone of my debian VPS? I guess it had used an automated installer
1964 [20:55:53] <tharkun> wilmaa: Before anything you do. Do a backup.
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1966 [20:56:01] <greycat> !timezone
1967 [20:56:01] <dpkg> A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute "service postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot.
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1970 [20:56:29] <tinfoil-hat> greycat: thanks
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1998 [21:15:25] <bubblefoo> hello,openpgp-applet not working on debian buster,latest version.any reasons for that?
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2001 [21:17:42] <Lope> ratrace, replaced-url
2002 [21:17:49] <mi11k1> bubblefoo, works fine over here
2003 [21:17:59] <bubblefoo> also,when pgp-encrypt a file texteditor pluma does not show the pgp-encrypted text right
2004 [21:18:17] <mi11k1> bubblefoo, so its not just the applet?
2005 [21:18:20] <bubblefoo> mi11k1,how did you get it work?
2006 [21:18:27] <mi11k1> bubblefoo, run it from cli and get some debug
2007 [21:18:37] <mi11k1> i just installed it and ran it
2008 [21:19:08] <mi11k1> bubblefoo, you need gnome-text-editor
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2010 [21:19:50] <bubblefoo> can i apt-get install gnome-text-editor?
2011 [21:20:09] <mi11k1> haha, looks like no
2012 [21:20:22] <mi11k1> i dont know if thats a package or a mime
2013 [21:20:53] <mi11k1> maybe gedit
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2015 [21:21:08] <mi11k1> bubblefoo, its gedit
2016 [21:21:43] <bubblefoo> aleady installing gedit,lets how that will work
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2020 [21:24:23] <bubblefoo> thats he output i get when opening openpgp-applet with CLI replaced-url
2021 [21:25:16] <mi11k1> bubblefoo install gnpg2
2022 [21:25:35] <bubblefoo> ok,lets see
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2024 [21:25:53] <mi11k1> sorry gpg2 i think
2025 [21:26:35] <bubblefoo> tried it with gnupg2,seems to work
2026 [21:27:12] <bubblefoo> where could that make the difference
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2029 [21:28:46] <mi11k1> bubblefoo, i dunno, i found this replaced-url
2030 [21:29:04] <bubblefoo> mi11k1,you are my saviour!everything works now like its supposed to,thanx a lot
2031 [21:29:09] <mi11k1> bubblefoo, i dont know anything about it, just trying to help u out. I gotta go though.
2032 [21:29:25] <mi11k1> bubblefoo, ok, have fun
2033 [21:29:59] <bubblefoo> all is fine now.the editor shows the encrypted text and openpgp-applet works just fine
2034 [21:30:33] <bubblefoo> good support on freenode-debian!!!
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2036 [21:31:28] <mi11k1> bubblefoo, ive never heard of it, but im going to check it out
2037 [21:31:56] <mi11k1> dont mess with encryption too much, i have enought problems getting into my gmail account
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2043 [21:37:16] <kale> hi, i am looking ofr some software to detect "malicious" network traffic, and make som kind of report about it, show it graphically etc. can you guys point me in the right direction?
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2048 [21:38:41] <JyZyXEL> how exactly is this "malicious" traffic measured?
2049 [21:38:54] <greycat> evilometer
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2051 [21:39:35] <kale> JyZyXEL: i wouldn't know, but i guess some layer7 filters would exists that detected an attack on a type of system
2052 [21:40:36] <nkuttler> kale: malicious traffic is usually an anomaly. look into anomaly detection
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2054 [21:40:44] <jelly> IDS, intrusion detection systems
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2057 [21:41:41] <nkuttler> kale: if you can dump your traffic into elasticsearch kibana has some anomaly detection stuff
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2062 [21:45:30] <kale> thanks, lots of reading to do now
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2067 [21:49:42] <jpw> has anyone got any pointers on getting slapd->sasl(kerberos5) authentication passthrough working on debian?
2068 [21:50:27] <jpw> the component parts look to be working, and there is nothing telling in the logs.
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2129 [22:49:41] <skurat> hi all
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