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• 36[00:12:34] <ThinkDao> hi all, I cannot reboot / shutdown my machine using "poweroff", "shutdown -h now", "reboot", "halt".. from terminal ( using graphical mode in any case ), with the root user it self. So.. How can I shutdown debian or reboot it, since it will be the 2 reboot of the installation. I need to setup / install some power-manager to use it ? I made a minimal installation
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• 42[00:16:19] <nvz> ThinkDao: what state is the machine in? are you in install/rescue, are you booted with special commandline options like init=/bin/bash or such?
• 43[00:17:06] <ThinkDao> nvz normal.. did install minimal, first reboot ( no X ) and install all other till now.
• 44[00:17:09] <nvz> ThinkDao: linux systems traditionally rely on init/telinit to do the things you mentioned.. if you booted bypassing such things like saying init=/bin/bash you cannot do that
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• 46[00:17:28] <nvz> ThinkDao: the kernel can power off the machine directly with the magic sysrq though
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• 48[00:18:09] <ThinkDao> nvz and how to do that?
• 49[00:18:26] <nvz> SAO
• 50[00:18:42] <nvz> SysRq+Alt+O
• 51[00:18:57] <nvz> however this if successful literally powers off the machine
• 52[00:19:07] <nvz> it doesnt do any of the stuff it'd normally do shutting down
• 53[00:19:17] <nvz> like flushing disk caches, unmounting filesystems, etc..
• 54[00:19:28] <ThinkDao> wow .. I need to go into telinit 3 and ctrl+alt+delete ? .. mm.. yeah make sense I have no login manager.
• 55[00:19:30] <nvz> all that can also be done using sysrq but each step must be done manually
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• 57[00:20:32] <nvz> a login manager like LightDM or SDDM or GDM or such are not at all required for shutdown/reboot operations only a capable init process is required
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• 59[00:20:59] <nvz> and thats only required because thats just how linux works.. it lets the init system handle such things so it can do it in a sane way
• 60[00:21:25] <nvz> like terminating processes, sending notifications system is going down, flushing caches, unmounting disks.. etc
• 61[00:22:17] <nvz> course you can mimic this using sysrq by crashing the submarine :P
• 62[00:22:32] <nvz> SysRq+Alt+ R E K S U B
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• 64[00:23:57] <nvz> SAR (Sysrq+Alt+R) grabs the keyboard, putting it in raw mode, SAE sends SIGTERM, SAK does SIGKILL, SAS sync/flush, SAU unmounts all disks, SAB (for reboot) or SAO (for shutdown)
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• 66[00:24:15] <ThinkDao> it should work by common commands like halt / reboot / shutdown .. but let me think.. I startx in telinit, so I need to go directly there or shutdown X to shudown there.. in any case, is stupid. it should be possible to shutdown from any terminal
• 67[00:24:46] <nvz> I think you have the slightest clue what telinit is
• 68[00:24:47] <phogg> it is, but how it's done depends on your state
• 69[00:24:49] <ThinkDao> Thanks
• 70[00:25:03] <nvz> I think you're referring to the linux virtual consoles
• 71[00:25:06] <phogg> is there even a telinit if you're using systemd? It hardly makes sense.
• 72[00:25:07] <nvz> !telinit
• 73[00:25:22] <ThinkDao> I mean telinit 3
• 74[00:25:38] <ThinkDao> well, not even telinit 6 works :D
• 75[00:25:59] <nvz> phogg: its a legacy thing..
• 76[00:26:09] <ThinkDao> not just enjoying the talk
• 77[00:26:12] <ThinkDao> now*
• 78[00:26:26] <phogg> nvz: Right. So it might be funky, or broken, or whatever. What would systemd do if you told it to enter runlevel 3?
• 79[00:26:49] <phogg> I believe it has a static mapping to some sorts of targets. I seem to recall that.
• 80[00:26:52] <nvz> phogg: heh.. unless it had a unit to activate, absolutely nothing :P
• 81[00:27:36] <nvz> "runlevel requests will be transparently translated into systemd unit activation requests."
• 82[00:27:43] <phogg> it's at least pretty obvious what to do if you try for runlevel 0 or 6.
• 83[00:28:16] <nvz> yeah well runlevel 2-5 have always been the same on Debian as long as I been using it, long before systemd
• 84[00:28:37] <nvz> its those RedHat type users who think runlevels have some standard meaning
• 85[00:29:11] <nvz> 0, 1, 6 are the only ones that have ever been any bit standardized.. 2-5 have always been user-defined
• 86[00:29:16] <ThinkDao> before I test the unique solution as a condition of it, I will keep reading. cool!
• 87[00:29:24] <phogg> they're only the same by default. I sometimes make 3 special. Once I made my desktop box at runlevel 3 start 2 X servers, one dedicated for games. Worked well.
• 88[00:30:04] <phogg> nvz: unfortunately systemd's authors are RH people, so I expect they map runlevels in a RHish way.
• 89[00:30:08] <nvz> yeah well now we have systemd, and in my experience systemctl single or systemctl default are same as init 1 or init 2
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• 91[00:31:01] <phogg> nvz: default is multi-user.target, yes? I don't systemd so I don't know, just going from memory. That's either 4 or 5 on RH land, depending on whether you start X.
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• 95[00:32:32] <nvz> yeah iirc from the land before Debian, 5 was default on most systems, and it was the fully functional multi-user with graphical login mode, 4 was like a graphical safe-mode without networking and such, 2-3 were same but for text mode.. one with and without network, then there was single user
• 96[00:32:49] <nvz> debian had always used 2 as default and 2-5 were all configured identically
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• 102[00:37:19] <ThinkDao> there is an alternative for debian to not use systemd?
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• 104[00:38:13] <nvz> you are free to use it with whatever you want.. though you'll have to be experienced enough to make something else work
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• 106[00:39:08] <ThinkDao> ok. old times used openrc right? why change?
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• 108[00:39:17] <nvz> no, we used sysvinit
• 109[00:39:31] <nvz> and we changed because sysvinit hasn't been able to properly boot linux in a LONG time
• 110[00:40:19] <nvz> only real thing I dont care for is that systemd was kinda advertised as a sysvinit replacement.. but its more like an entire reality replacement that implements an init system
• 111[00:40:55] <joepublic> well, it can boot many configurations without significant problem, but has weaknesses and limitations that a sane distribution would do well to cover with something else...
• 112[00:40:55] <nvz> its too large and without clear lines of purpose for my general liking, but I use it
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• 115[00:42:50] <ThinkDao> oh..interesting.. I was trying to inspect the problem and I think it is not working because I am using relative path to applications
• 116[00:43:09] <ThinkDao> whereis shutdown exist in /usr/sbin/shutdown
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• 118[00:43:26] <ThinkDao> I was using shutdown not /usr/sbin/shutdown
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• 121[00:44:01] <ThinkDao> feels like freebsd.. weird
• 122[00:45:06] <ThinkDao> I need to make any extra configuration / define path's to use any application using relative path / non-full-path ?
• 123[00:46:40] <abrotman> is that a question?
• 124[00:46:57] <ThinkDao> yes, I am having a problem with that
• 125[00:47:19] <abrotman> please rephrase the question
• 126[00:47:32] <ThinkDao> to use vim I cannot use "vim" but I need to use /usr/bin/vim
• 127[00:47:47] <ThinkDao> I need to use full path
• 128[00:47:49] <abrotman> in bash? no ..
• 129[00:47:51] <abrotman> not in Debian
• 130[00:47:52] <ThinkDao> I cannot use relative
• 131[00:47:55] <ThinkDao> zsh
• 132[00:47:55] <abrotman> unless you broke $PATH
• 133[00:48:03] <abrotman> echo $PATH .. what does it say?
• 134[00:48:08] <ThinkDao> hmm I need to switch to bash?
• 135[00:48:14] <abrotman> no
• 136[00:48:40] <ThinkDao> /usr/local/bin/:/usr/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games
• 137[00:48:54] <abrotman> you did something to your $PATH
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• 139[00:50:17] <ThinkDao> not by free will of choice .. let me test using bash
• 140[00:50:19] <abrotman> you can try to reset it by sourcing /etc/profile
• 141[00:50:41] <ThinkDao> yeah is the same
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• 143[00:53:32] <abrotman> ThinkDao: did you try to source /etc/profile to see what happened?
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• 145[00:54:21] <abrotman> also, if you source that, and you have a user .bashrc, it will also alter your environment
• 146[00:54:31] <ThinkDao> well, rebooting.. thanks, I enjoy \\\ abrotman right in time, yes.. nothing happen ( nothing change ) .. keep in the reboot flow .. be right back to say what happen
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• 153[01:02:02] <ThinkDao> re
• 154[01:03:31] <ThinkDao> well, it seams like normal packages like, vim / ranger / lynx / firefox etc what find but even using root I need to explicitly make the full path for shutdown / halt / reboot .. fine. is not so bad.
• 155[01:04:14] <abrotman> So it's not resolved?
• 156[01:04:34] <ThinkDao> normal packages can be executed using relative path but not to shutdown / reboot the system
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• 158[01:04:55] <ThinkDao> so it is, since I know how it works
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• 160[01:05:57] <joepublic> "using root" with sudo or su -, not just su, right?
• 161[01:06:10] <ThinkDao> just need to call the command using the full path.. well, is cool to not forget them haha
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• 163[01:06:57] <ThinkDao> joepublic: confusions question: I su in, and then call the command
• 164[01:07:25] <joepublic> dpkg: su
• 165[01:07:25] <dpkg> extra, extra read all about it, su is switch/set user. It is used to change User ID's and/or gain super user access. Since Debian Buster, "su -" or "su -l" is needed to access programs located in /sbin. It provides an root environment as if the superuser had logged in directly. See "man su".
• 166[01:08:08] <ThinkDao> hm
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• 169[01:09:34] <ThinkDao> cool ! it works by su in using 'su -l' or 'su -' and assuming relative path's! Awesome! thank you for the tip
• 170[01:09:50] <joepublic> you are very welcome. Glad it's working.
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• 172[01:12:11] <ThinkDao> glad many did work to things like this can be solved simply
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• 185[01:21:43] <ThinkDao> for a moment I thought dpkg bot could answer to what I send to it as message. any list of know topic of this bot?
• 186[01:22:13] <ThinkDao> or it just answer to some users?
• 187[01:23:14] <ThinkDao> useful .. cool
• 188[01:23:28] <nvz> dpkg, factoids?
• 189[01:23:28] <dpkg> You can search my database on the web at replaced-url
• 190[01:23:37] <nvz> dpkg, tell ThinkDao about tell
• 191[01:24:11] <nvz> ThinkDao: the bot has to see you in a channel to respond to you via maessage[pprivate message
• 192[01:25:01] <nvz> i.e. you can add the bot to a "buddy list" but you need to join #debian or #debian-bots or such so it can see you before it'll respond privately
• 193[01:25:12] <ThinkDao> yes, .. so tell is a command and you are using the bot to send me a mensage about that function. I can use it or other users?
• 194[01:25:38] <nvz> yes, tell is a command that causes it to tell the factoid to another user.. you can also use it this way
• 195[01:25:50] <nvz> ThinkDao: tell ThinkDao -about tell
• 196[01:25:51] <ThinkDao> interesting.. cool
• 197[01:26:05] <nvz> ThinkDao: when you use -about instead of about it will not repeat the message to you also
• 198[01:26:30] <nvz> ThinkDao: with about it tells you the same thing it told the other person, when you use -about it doesn't also tell you what the factoid said
• 199[01:27:23] <ThinkDao> I got not any feedback of -about.. so -about is denying to say the about content
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• 202[01:28:25] <nvz> dpkg, tell ThinkDao about foo
• 203[01:28:32] <ThinkDao> wow.. /msg dpkg help .. D:
• 204[01:28:34] <nvz> dpkg, tell ThinkDao -about foo
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• 206[01:28:55] <nvz> 20:28 dpkg> told ThinkDao about foo (i guess foo is the probably first <metasyntactic variable>, it's a placeholder for some other term. See replaced-url
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• 208[01:29:02] <nvz> is what the first command did
• 209[01:29:10] <nvz> the 2nd with -about caused it to simply say
• 210[01:29:17] <nvz> 20:28 dpkg> told ThinkDao about foo.
• 211[01:30:54] <nvz> ThinkDao: there are many bots in here.. apt and dselect are just backup copies of dpkg. Judd is a bot for accessing the Ultimate Debian Database, debhelper is a channel maint bot that does things like protect from floods, and piggy is a bot gathering logs for stastics
• 212[01:31:00] <ThinkDao> hehe thats cool
• 213[01:31:33] <nvz> judd can do things like accessing package information
• 214[01:31:44] <nvz> judd, info gimp
• 215[01:31:45] <judd> Package gimp (graphics, optional) in buster/amd64: GNU Image Manipulation Program. Version: 2.10.8-2; Size: 6245.5k; Installed: 19016k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 216[01:31:53] <nvz> judd, versions gimp
• 217[01:31:55] <judd> Package: gimp on amd64 -- jessie: 2.8.14-1+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.8.14-1+deb8u2; stretch: 2.8.18-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.8.18-1+deb9u1; buster: 2.10.8-2; bullseye: 2.10.12-1; sid: 2.10.14-2
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• 219[01:32:43] <nvz> ThinkDao: you can access judd's commands using list.. i.e. /msg judd list /msg judd list judd
• 220[01:33:04] <nvz> and they can be shortened too.. info is aliased to i, version is aliased to v.. etc
• 221[01:33:16] <nvz> and the bots also have trigger chars for quick access
• 222[01:33:21] <nvz> ,i gimp
• 223[01:33:22] <judd> Package gimp (graphics, optional) in buster/amd64: GNU Image Manipulation Program. Version: 2.10.8-2; Size: 6245.5k; Installed: 19016k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 224[01:33:25] <nvz> !gimp
• 225[01:33:26] <dpkg> GIMP (GNU Image Manipulation Program) is a free software raster graphics editor. It is used for such tasks as photo retouching, image composition and image authoring. replaced-url
• 226[01:33:34] <nvz> @gimp
• 227[01:33:51] <nvz> ~gimp
• 228[01:34:06] <nvz> well.. the other bots seem to be snoozing :P
• 229[01:34:10] <nvz> apt, hello?
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• 231[01:34:17] <nvz> dselect: hello?
• 232[01:34:18] <dselect> Hi, nvz!
• 233[01:34:58] <nvz> judd also responds to mentions of recent debian bugs
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• 236[01:35:14] <nvz> like if I were talking and said that I have an issue with #629712
• 237[01:35:15] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 238[01:35:21] <nvz> that will happen^ :P
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• 246[01:43:36] <ThinkDao> the humor associated in jorgon text's, is the main and first mental hacking.. nice just for fun
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• 250[01:46:55] <ThinkDao> love that: All three explanations accurately model hacker psychology, and should be considered complementary rather than competing. nice source
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• 269[02:06:51] <ThinkDao> whos esr
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• 271[02:07:38] <joepublic> dpkg: esr
• 272[02:07:39] <dpkg> Eric S. Raymond, a very clever Linux d00d with lots of very interesting philosophical and political texts. a guy who has some ideas about guns and who can't figure out CUPS. The geezer who wrote Cathedral and Bazaar. Somebody whose sgeigerbot's computer thinks about when it boots: "ESR value before enabling vector: 00000000", or replaced-url
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• 274[02:10:27] <ThinkDao> .. who has some ideas.. gone?
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• 279[02:13:50] <ThinkDao> nevermind... haha
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• 299[02:25:35] <zerocool> i have a q, currently i have two nic bond, 802.3ad (lacp) with bridge to vlan101, i want to add vlan102. how can i bring this bridge up after editing /etc/network/interfaces
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• 302[02:29:31] <tds> zerocool: could you pastebin your config and the output of `ip -d link`? there are quite a few ways you could have this set up
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• 327[02:50:47] <ThinkDao> question: to rename network drivers to old names,like enp3* to eth0, I am reading NetworkInterfaceNames article in wiki.debian.. I can add rules for each network drive in the same rule file, like the example of one single network drive have in there?
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• 329[02:52:19] <RadoS> ThinkDao, why not disable it at boot-time for all?
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• 335[02:53:16] <ThinkDao> because I didn't knew about it. but in this article I cannot read that approach..
• 336[02:55:00] <ThinkDao> RadoS: any other better reference about that approach?
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• 341[02:56:23] <RadoS> boot param: net.ifnames=0
• 342[02:58:14] <ThinkDao> wow.. is the first thing .. lazyness
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• 345[03:01:16] <friczky> test
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• 349[03:01:54] <ThinkDao> hmm I am still the problem of "no relative paths" for root apps.. it claims that some packages don't exist because they are not called using full path.. damn.
• 350[03:02:15] <bumblefuzz> I'm trying to install a sudo rtl8812au wireless dongle
• 351[03:02:15] <ThinkDao> I still have*
• 352[03:02:23] <bumblefuzz> I can see it with lsusb
• 353[03:02:30] <bumblefuzz> and I've installed the driver from github
• 354[03:02:35] <bumblefuzz> but I can't figure out what to do next
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• 356[03:04:13] <ThinkDao> bumblefuzz: did you already reboot the system ? not sure if the kernel can read network cards without rebooting
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• 359[03:04:57] <bumblefuzz> ThinkDao I rebooted, yes
• 360[03:05:04] <bumblefuzz> still can't figure out what to do
• 361[03:05:27] <ThinkDao> then, I cannot help.
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• 363[03:06:19] <bumblefuzz> ifconfig only shows eth0 and loopback
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• 370[03:07:29] <bumblefuzz> this is the driver I installed: replaced-url
• 371[03:07:57] <ThinkDao> ifconfig -a ?
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• 377[03:09:24] <ThinkDao> sure.. in Debian I just use the global firmware .. that is a single driver.. not sure how is done.. in gentoo you can control that.. not in debian
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• 380[03:10:59] <ThinkDao> well in debian too if you build your kernel... never made it in debian
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• 387[03:16:13] <ThinkDao> wow.. never mind.. debian have each source for each driver.. amazing..
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• 394[03:23:03] <ThinkDao> in any case, as a sugestion for debian developers, could be a single file with the name of the drivers we wish to install and then simply install the firmware from non-free sources..
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• 396[03:23:55] <ThinkDao> not sure if that is possible, but is a nice approach
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• 420[03:45:57] <giaco> when I install python libraries via apt debian puts them in python2 dist-packages folder by default. If I want to use them with python3 (and I know that those are also for python3) is there a debian way to do that? What I'm going now is creating a symbolic link
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• 444[04:04:59] <selim> The same set of file and key works with dovecot, so I don't get why Exim doesn't use it as it is supposed to?
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• 617[07:35:29] <quarterback> How to have bass effects in pulse audio?
• 618[07:35:59] <quarterback> I tried to get pulseeffects but it is not in debian repo.
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• 621[07:39:49] <jm_> ,checkbackport pulseeffects
• 622[07:39:50] <judd> Backporting package pulseeffects in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12).
• 623[07:40:02] <jm_> looks like you should be able to backport it
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• 625[07:40:56] <jm_> ,info pulseeffects testing
• 626[07:40:57] <judd> No package named 'pulseeffects' was found in buster/amd64.
• 627[07:41:08] <quarterback> How do I install it?
• 628[07:41:18] <jm_> ,info pulseeffects --release testing
• 629[07:41:19] <judd> Package pulseeffects (sound, optional) in bullseye/amd64: Audio effects for PulseAudio applications. Version: 4.7.1-2+b1; Size: 812.1k; Installed: 5127k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 630[07:41:25] <jm_> !ssb
• 631[07:41:25] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
• 632[07:41:39] <jm_> you will need to backport it from testing like explained above
• 633[07:42:56] <quarterback> Looks complicated. can I just install it from a single .deb file?
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• 637[07:43:36] <selim> I've replaced the ssl/tls certificate including key on exim, yet now everytime I do a tls connect I get this error in the log: Base64 decoding error. How do I check what exactly is the issue?
• 638[07:43:38] <selim> The same set of file and key works with dovecot, so I don't get why Exim doesn't use it as it is supposed to?
• 639[07:44:12] <jm_> quarterback: not on debian stable
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• 645[07:50:48] <quarterback> jm_, I don't see the package name in step 3 here: apt build-dep packagename . The package name is pulseeffects
• 646[07:51:13] <quarterback> E: Unable to find a source package for pulseeffects
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• 648[07:53:24] <jm_> quarterback: did you add deb-src entry for sid or testing?
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• 652[07:54:14] <quarterback> jm_, Yes, It was added but it was not selected in Software/updates.
• 653[07:54:46] <jm_> quarterback: you need to run «apt update» after adding sources
• 654[07:55:16] <quarterback> jm_, is this the path? deb replaced-url
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• 656[07:55:59] <jm_> quarterback: no, replace experimental with testing
• 657[07:56:05] <jm_> and it's deb-src, not deb
• 658[07:58:42] <quarterback> done
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• 661[08:01:59] <quarterback> jm_, I got lot of errors replaced-url
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• 664[08:10:19] <quarterback> This is not important. You can just ignore it.
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• 669[08:21:59] <jm_> quarterback: I think you can safely ignore those warnings, but at the same time it would be trivial to fix your sources.lists to get rid of them
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• 680[08:34:30] <dka> Guys hello
• 681[08:34:45] <dka> I have issue with debian 10 i lost all my interface
• 682[08:34:55] <dka> I cant see them through cinnamon
• 683[08:35:16] <dka> I just connected to a hotspot of a new hotel and tought it was not good enough to work
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• 685[08:35:47] <dka> I wanted to reconnect using hot spot tethering of my phone. So i removed the connection
• 686[08:35:59] <dka> Usually it ask a password instead it crashed my laptop
• 687[08:36:22] <dka> I am stuck without internet but i can see the wifi being connected but i cant go online
• 688[08:36:30] <dka> Any idea? Corrupted wifi config ?
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• 706[08:50:08] <dka> Hello, I am having issue with my Debian notbook, I was connected to an hotel wifi and entered a wrong password, I removed the new connection, and normally it ask for a password to proceed to deletion, instead it got freeze, after rebooting, I can't see in cinnamon any network connection, I can see I have some network interface but it seems stuck, I have check /var/log/syslog and I do not see anything, I presume the interface file got
• 707[08:50:13] <dka> corrupted somehow after reboot, how can I save my laptop?
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• 709[08:54:21] <diogenes_> dka, sudo rfkill list
• 710[08:54:33] <dka> what?
• 711[08:54:37] <dka> I already restarted
• 712[08:54:39] <dka> I am now logged in as root
• 713[08:54:57] <dka> rfkill command not found
• 714[08:54:57] <diogenes_> this will tell you if the card is on.
• 715[08:54:59] <dka> I cant install it without internet
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• 718[08:55:25] <dka> I have multiple card, wwan , wifi
• 719[08:55:29] <dka> they are all gone from cinnamon UI
• 720[08:55:41] <diogenes_> that's what i'd call trouble.
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• 723[08:56:01] <dka> yes
• 724[08:56:04] <diogenes_> try tethering.
• 725[08:56:07] <dka> I cant
• 726[08:56:11] <dka> I cant see any interface
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• 728[08:56:20] <dka> What the fuck debian I was in a middle of a rush
• 729[08:56:25] <diogenes_> !tethering
• 730[08:56:29] <dka> it's the worst situation, how can the laptop be dead now
• 731[08:56:33] <dka> I know what's tethering
• 732[08:56:42] <dka> I am tethering now, but this laptop cant connect to any access point
• 733[08:56:47] <dka> perhaps with command line
• 734[08:56:49] <dka> I will try with the command line
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• 737[08:57:13] <diogenes_> it's via usb cable and not wifi.
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• 741[08:58:32] <dka> diogenes_, it seems that it is all the network services that disappear
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• 743[08:58:45] <diogenes_> and cinnamoc has caused some troubles with devices for me too.
• 744[08:59:20] <dka> i have connected the galaxy s9
• 745[08:59:22] <diogenes_> ls ~/.cache/sessions
• 746[08:59:24] <dka> how can I use internet from usb now
• 747[08:59:46] <dka> it does not exist
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• 749[09:00:26] <diogenes_> sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager
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• 751[09:01:45] <diogenes_> usb tethering: replaced-url
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• 754[09:04:11] <dka> I can't force-reload
• 755[09:04:16] <dka> network manager
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• 757[09:04:40] <dka> Error.NoReply: did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy block
• 758[09:06:03] <diogenes_> well try to establish usb tethering then.
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• 766[09:09:14] <diogenes_> btw do you happen to have a Debian iso on your pc?
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• 768[09:10:20] <diogenes_> or any other distro.
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• 771[09:15:58] <dob1> ,v restic
• 772[09:15:59] <judd> Package: restic on amd64 -- stretch: 0.3.3-1+b2; buster: 0.9.4+ds-2+b1; bullseye: 0.9.6+ds-2; sid: 0.9.6+ds-2
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• 775[09:21:11] <dka> Hi again
• 776[09:21:15] <dka> I have a wifi repeater with a ethernet port, so I connected it to my smartphone hotspot and now I am connected through this
• 777[09:21:18] <dka> I want to connect the debian that has the networking crashed using ethernet
• 778[09:21:22] <dka> I have connected the usb hub with the ethernet port, I expect to have internet directly
• 779[09:21:26] <dka> i tested it before with this laptop it was working without further configuration
• 780[09:21:29] <dka> how can I fix the networking
• 781[09:22:56] <diogenes_> dka, do you happen to have a Debian iso on your pc?
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• 787[09:26:26] <dka> yes I do have one on a usb key
• 788[09:26:31] <dka> I raTher not format now but if thats the only option
• 789[09:26:46] <dka> it says /etc/network/itnerface.d/* does not exist
• 790[09:26:47] <dka> is it normal?
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• 796[09:37:02] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. What is the preferred gui client for MariaDB?
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• 798[09:39:07] <ksk> Lady_Aleena: I recently installed dbeaver - looks promising (not part of debian)
• 799[09:39:18] <ksk> in contrast, phpmyadmin is kind of ded, as far as I know
• 800[09:39:46] <Mathisen> not dead but there is better alternatives
• 801[09:39:55] <Mathisen> like adminer for example
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• 811[09:44:10] <Lady_Aleena> Does the language it was written in make a difference? The writers seem to have the need to tell people it is written in php.
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• 813[09:44:35] <Psy-Q> i took over a half-dist-upgraded debian stretch -> buster where the postgresql 9.6 package is no longer installed, 11 is there, and i should do an upgrade from 9 to 11
• 814[09:45:00] <Psy-Q> now pg_upgradecluster can't find pg_controldata from 9.6. can i somehow frankenstein a postgresql 9.6 from stretch back onto buster?
• 815[09:45:42] <jm_> wait, debian upgrades are only supported for the next higher release, that must be the source of your problems
• 816[09:46:08] <jm_> ohh it is stretch, doing too many things at once ...
• 817[09:46:24] <ratrace> Psy-Q: use pgdg repos
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• 820[09:46:45] <Psy-Q> ratrace: thanks! will try :D
• 821[09:46:57] <jm_> is there anything in /usr/share/doc/postgre* about upgrades?
• 822[09:47:35] <ratrace> Psy-Q: replaced-url
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• 824[09:48:08] <ratrace> I'm using postgresql-10 on buster from pgdg, because I had to do some streaming repl from a v10 (and it requires same db ver), and now I'm too lazy to schedule an upgrade to 11.
• 825[09:48:32] <ratrace> If it ain't broken, don't fix it, amirite.
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• 827[09:49:26] <Psy-Q> ratrace: thank you, seems to work fine!
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• 832[09:53:58] <dka> I lost all my network interface after rebooting on cinnamon
• 833[09:54:00] <dka> how can I see a old configuration and restore
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• 840[10:01:35] <Johann> mint
• 841[10:01:38] <Johann> !mint
• 842[10:01:38] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
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• 845[10:02:15] <Johann> or is cinnamon ubuntu? Not sure, but it's not debian ^^
• 846[10:03:18] <Johann> dka:though, it's probably because the naming of the interface changed with a kernel update. Your old configuration is probably still there somewhere, just with the wrong naming. You can check that with commands like `ip link` to look at interfaces names
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• 849[10:04:20] <jm_> debian provides cinnamon desktop
• 850[10:04:21] <Johann> oooh sorry cinnamon is the desktop manager, i'm dumb
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• 858[10:10:37] <dka> How can I setup on debian 10 ethernet so I can access the internet?
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• 860[10:11:15] <jm_> how was it configured initially?
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• 862[10:12:15] <dka> My network manager seems to have removed all interface after reboot (wwan, wifi, eth), I have tried to scan from command line to see all wifi around but I have : "Error: Could not create NMClient object: Timeout was reached."
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• 865[10:13:40] <jm_> if nothing else you can configure it via /etc/network/interfaces file and use ifupdown tools
• 866[10:13:53] <jm_> (talking about ethernet interface)
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• 873[10:19:20] <dka> Got is solved, I reboot on rescure, enabled network-manager and networking, reinstalled network0manager and network-manager-gnome, restart and got all the old configuration back.
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• 881[10:25:11] <shtrb> Anyone have an idea how I can Identify which mp4 files are corrupted ? I normally use vlc and if I see it complain about corrupted data I just get the file again , however I wish to automate that
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• 886[10:28:07] <joechrisellis> shtrb: might be worth looking at the VLC source to see how they do it?
• 887[10:28:39] <ksk> shtrb: "ffmpeg -i mp3" might be a little bit more scraping friendly, not sure if thats the best approach though.
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• 890[10:29:21] <joechrisellis> shtrb: maybe worth checking this too, if you haven't already: replaced-url
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• 897[10:31:22] <shtrb> joechrisellis and ksk , thank you I will check with that now
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• 927[10:58:46] <shtrb|work> joechrisellis, isn't ffmpeg -i will play the entire file to find errors ?
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• 929[10:59:18] <shtrb|work> I have 34 GB of ~200-400 mb files :-(
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• 931[10:59:41] <joechrisellis> shtrb|work: uhhh, I am not sure to be honest -- pretty unfamiliar with ffmpeg. Just thought the thread looked promising!
• 932[11:00:15] <shtrb|work> It does look promising , but I wish to avoid waiting the entire time span for each file
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• 935[11:02:25] <jm_> try playing them at higher speed?
• 936[11:03:07] <shtrb|work> I'm reading the manual right now in search for such an option
• 937[11:03:26] <jm_> replaced-url
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• 943[11:04:15] <shtrb|work> Good I love this channel , thanks jm_
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• 945[11:04:27] <shtrb|work> *God I love this channel
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• 952[11:23:29] <xpheres> hello
• 953[11:23:45] <xpheres> How can I find out why I can not access Cups server outside the host?
• 954[11:24:12] <xpheres> I checked cupsd.conf and connections are allowed outside the host
• 955[11:24:35] <xpheres> however I can only access the server from replaced-url
• 956[11:24:58] <RadoS> firewall?
• 957[11:25:07] <shtrb|work> You can see on what it listen in the config file , I think by default it is local listen only
• 958[11:25:09] <xpheres> I have not firewall installed in the host
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• 964[11:26:26] <xpheres> I can not even access from the host when writing the local ip, just localhost allow me to see the cups server
• 965[11:26:56] <shtrb|work> xpheres, check using netstat / ss to see on what it listen or check the config file
• 966[11:27:03] <ratrace> xpheres: what did you put in the Listen directive of cupsd.conf?
• 967[11:27:04] <xpheres> ok
• 968[11:27:22] <xpheres> yes rattrace I allowed the local network
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• 971[11:27:55] <ratrace> xpheres: that's not what I asked
• 972[11:28:22] <xpheres> ah yes
• 973[11:28:33] <xpheres> Listen /run/cups/cups.sock and Port 631
• 974[11:28:40] <xpheres> both directives are there
• 975[11:28:50] <ratrace> xpheres: so you're listening on the local unix socket, not a network (tcp) one
• 976[11:29:09] <xpheres> ok should I add Listen 0.0.0.0:631?
• 977[11:29:36] <ratrace> xpheres: that or *:631 I'm not sure on the syntax cupsd is accepting there
• 978[11:29:46] <xpheres> ok let me try it
• 979[11:30:04] <shtrb|work> You shouldn't allow access to cups from remote machine , if you really wish to do it you should be using cups tools to update it
• 980[11:30:16] <xpheres> none of them works
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• 982[11:31:05] <shtrb|work> example cupsctl --remote-admin --remote-any --share-printers should work (don't run if you don't understand what it does )
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• 985[11:31:55] <xpheres> replaced-url
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• 991[11:35:58] <xpheres> can it be a problem in the apache configuration?
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• 995[11:37:57] <ratrace> xpheres: apache has nothing to do with cupsd
• 996[11:38:52] <ratrace> xpheres: first step, is cupsd listening on your public (LAN) intreface? ss -4lnp will tell you
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• 1005[11:40:31] <xpheres> raytrace replaced-url
• 1006[11:40:45] <xpheres> I see port 631 twice
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• 1009[11:43:42] <xpheres> I don't know what are some of those ports
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• 1011[11:44:07] <xpheres> I see 5432 is for database
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• 1014[11:45:24] <xpheres> why is port 631 twice?
• 1015[11:45:27] <wingedrhino> Hi! Is there a python3 library for scripting network configuration on a debian-style distro? Preferably something that I can also easily run in an interpreter when I need to query current state.
• 1016[11:46:02] <wingedrhino> A Go or a Node library would also do, although I doubt they'd be as popular.
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• 1039[12:08:24] <autopsy> Ok I have a USB connected DVD RW burner drive using a DVD+R disc it sauiuidid this when I use cdrecord can you tell me why or what to change to try to debug the problem? ::: replaced-url
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• 1049[12:14:00] <at0m> wingedrhino: wicd-daemon is implemented in python:any (>= 2.7.5-5~), and uses python-gobject
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• 1054[12:18:50] <wingedrhino> at0m, how close is it to the standard configuration files like /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/dhcpcd.conf? Ideally I want the library to feel like a person editing these files, so that I can read the docs at replaced-url
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• 1057[12:20:09] <at0m> wingedrhino: pretty close, but puts its configured networks in /var/lib/wicd/configurations
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• 1059[12:20:44] <wingedrhino> So ideally it'd have some sort of an AST parser for configuration files and a templating system of some kind with variable substitutions and then write an active configuration to the main file.
• 1060[12:21:12] <wingedrhino> at0m, interesting! taking a look.
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• 1087[12:55:41] <f8e4> if external screen is not recognized what todo? (display link) ?
• 1088[12:55:44] <f8e4> it says no signal
• 1089[12:56:31] <f8e4> xrandr just says disconnected DP
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• 1107[13:14:10] <f8e4> when cloning a ssd to a backup file do i use dd with conv=sync,notrunc ?
• 1108[13:14:34] <SwedeMike> f8e4: I typically just dd it, no special options.
• 1109[13:14:52] <f8e4> SwedeMike and its just fine , tried recover?
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• 1111[13:15:24] <SwedeMike> f8e4: yes, several times. I've done migrations, backups and restores
• 1112[13:15:46] <SwedeMike> f8e4: this is how I backup things generally, boot live usb stick, dd boot drive to USB drive filesystem
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• 1114[13:16:21] <SwedeMike> f8e4: you can use ddrescue or dd_rescue / gddrescue, if you want more information in the process
• 1115[13:16:22] <f8e4> ssd to external hdd, and recover via dd later to ssd, (deb bootem from livedisc), should be fine even on other ssds right?
• 1116[13:16:40] <SwedeMike> f8e4: that's what I have done, yes.
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• 1119[13:17:16] <f8e4> hdd gets a file in my case, of=/hddfile in my case, ok will do
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• 1127[13:20:29] <ripspin> running buster, nano within xterm: the yellow characters are unreadable, any suggestions
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• 1132[13:22:18] <jm_> you have many options - switch to an editor with configurable colours, disable colours, change xterm colours and so on
• 1133[13:22:32] <ripspin> I changed: /etc/X11/app=defaults/Xterm-color, result no effect
• 1134[13:23:39] <jm_> check if appres shows your changes, if not, use xrdb to import them
• 1135[13:23:53] <ripspin> Im quite new to debian, and it is out of the box and shit
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• 1139[13:24:35] <jm_> appres XTerm | less, check if your changes to that file are visible
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• 1144[13:26:04] <jm_> just realized nano has that configurable too
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• 1148[13:27:41] <jm_> XTerm, not Xterm
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• 1158[13:30:23] <ripspin> ok that worked, I get: allow-color-ops
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• 1166[13:33:45] <ripspin> What is a good chat app within buster?
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• 1206[13:59:54] <Scruloose> hi all! I'm trying to set up dropbear-initramfs to remotely unlock an encrypted partition, with help from this guide: replaced-url
• 1207[14:01:18] <Scruloose> Now when I reboot, the local console says "/scripts/init-premount/dropbear: line 261: ipconfig: not found" several times in a row, and then "/scripts/init-premount/dropbear: .: line 279: can't open '/run/net-*.conf': No such file or directory"
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• 1209[14:01:41] <greycat> well, uh, "ipconfig" is not a normal Unix command name; it's a Windows command name
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• 1211[14:02:20] <greycat> also note that "ifconfig" which used to be a standard Linux/Debian tool, is no longer installed by default; you may have to install the net-tools package if you need it, and be aware that its output format has changed
• 1212[14:03:37] <mindlessmiss> hey Im new to xfce, running debian but have only used mostly mate, I'
• 1213[14:04:19] <mindlessmiss> m looking for where to change the main font in the gui of many programs in the menus etc
• 1214[14:04:41] <Scruloose> greycat: Um. That sounds deeply weird. That script comes straight from the official Debian dropbear-initramfs package, doesn't it?
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• 1216[14:05:00] <greycat> I know zero about dropbear. But "ipconfig" is not a Unix command.
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• 1218[14:05:10] <greycat> ,file ipconfig
• 1219[14:05:15] <judd> Search for ipconfig in buster/amd64: net-tools: sbin/plipconfig; jazip: usr/sbin/jazipconfig; klibc-utils: usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig; libkf5networkmanagerqt-dev: usr/include/KF5/NetworkManagerQt/NetworkManagerQt/IpConfig
• 1220[14:05:33] <jelly> Scruloose: "ipconfig" never existed on linux, new command is "ip", old was "ifconfig"
• 1221[14:05:34] <greycat> Hmm, it's in "klibc-utils"... that's news to me.
• 1222[14:05:38] <jelly> oh
• 1223[14:05:44] <jelly> curses
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• 1225[14:07:19] <greycat> I am so not going to ask why they made a tool with that name.
• 1226[14:08:24] <Scruloose> I just checked and net-tools is already installed (marked automatic)... and so is klibc-utils
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• 1228[14:09:13] <stonerfish> mindlessmiss
• 1229[14:09:13] <stonerfish> gnome-tweak-tool
• 1230[14:09:32] <jelly> iirc you basically have to install dropbear-initramfs, set up the ssh host key and ssh user auth key and that's it
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• 1238[14:11:26] <Scruloose> jelly: It set up the host key automatically on install, I added authorized user keys, and... well, I expected it to Just Work but it didn't
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• 1245[14:15:42] <Scruloose> I'm pretty familiar with ssh, but very new to poking at the innards of the initramfs. Any pointers to resources on how to start debugging something like this? eg how can I extract and read that init-premount/dropbear script, and/or how to tell if this ipconfig is missing from the initramfs environment even though it's installed on the system...?
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• 1247[14:16:18] <greycat> if you just want to see or extract the initrd image, there's lsinitramfs
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• 1249[14:16:51] <greycat> and, uh... unmkinitramfs apparently
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• 1251[14:18:29] <Scruloose> Heh! That's somewhere to start.
• 1252[14:19:18] <greycat> initrd images are basically multiple cpio archives concatenated together
• 1253[14:20:57] <Scruloose> Also... on the system itself, I see "/usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig" exists, but it doesn't seem to be in executable path anywhere (which ipconfig returns nothing). Does that strike you as relevant?
• 1254[14:21:24] <greycat> It's not intended to be used from the normal operating system. It's meant to be copied into the initrd and used there.
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• 1259[14:23:28] <Scruloose> Ah. Okay. So hopefully with lsinitramfs I can figure out whether it's actually getting copied into the initrd, at least.
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• 1261[14:25:58] <Scruloose> Well, a grep through initramfs' output does indeed return "usr/bin/ipconfig".
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• 1264[14:26:50] <greycat> then I guess the next step would be to read /scripts/init-premount/dropbear and find out why it's generating the error "line 261: ipconfig: not found"
• 1265[14:27:18] <greycat> or find documentation that's actually written for Debian, rather than for Ubuntu
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• 1272[14:31:39] <Scruloose> Yeah, I will take another look for that before I get in too deep with unmaking the initramfs ;-) (In my defense, I was keeping an eye out for mismatched paths and other distro-specific quirks)
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• 1276[14:33:59] <aleksej> good
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• 1283[14:36:28] <ripspinidentical> hello
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• 1286[14:40:11] <kats99> yo
• 1287[14:40:53] <ripspinidentical> just got hexchat working on my new buster install
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• 1289[14:41:15] <Scruloose> ripspinidentical: hi there!
• 1290[14:41:53] <ripspinidentical> hi Scruloose
• 1291[14:42:13] <Scruloose> Oh, this looks interesting: replaced-url
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• 1293[14:43:39] <Scruloose> I was assuming that the initramfs environment would default to dhcp, but I'll try explicitly telling it to do that. (Later, when I have physical access to the machine.)
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• 1306[14:52:56] <ratrace> greycat: ipconfig is a valid thing on unix, tho, especially with dropbear setup. replaced-url
• 1307[14:53:12] <greycat> ratrace: only inside klibc, apparently.
• 1308[14:53:33] <greycat> does the readme tell us why they named it after a Microsoft Windows command?
• 1309[14:53:48] <ratrace> yes, and though it's not a regular command like like ifconfig was, it's used in initramfs to set up networking for dropbear
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• 1313[14:56:48] <ratrace> greycat: probably for the same reason that "The code in main.c is yucky imho. Needs cleaning." :)
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• 1354[15:23:05] <karlpinc> Scruloose: You want the dropbear (iirc) readme.debian, or maybe the cryptsetup one. I forget.
• 1355[15:23:08] <karlpinc> !readme.debian
• 1356[15:23:08] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
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• 1358[15:23:23] <greycat> the web site they found looked promising
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• 1362[15:27:22] <karlpinc> Could be, I didn't look. But there are specific instructions in the readme.debian(s).
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• 1379[15:35:43] <Scruloose> karlpinc: Thanks! I'll make sure to refer to that doc too.
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• 1386[15:44:11] <rgr> anyone know why my gnome desktop is hijacking Super-1 to open the file manager? I bound it to something else in the settings/leyboard settings. Cant find out how to turn this off.
• 1387[15:44:56] <ripspinidentical> xterm doesn't run from command line, so how do i run xterm with added parameters (buster)
• 1388[15:44:57] <greycat> I'm guessing you mean Super-L, but beyond that, I know nothing about gnome's key bindings.
• 1389[15:45:22] <greycat> ripspinidentical: is it even installed? it should be in your PATH.
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• 1392[15:45:50] <ripspinidentical> xterm is system installed
• 1393[15:45:58] <greycat> ripspinidentical: by which I mean, when you open one X terminal of any variety, inside an X session, you should be able to type "xterm" in that one and get an(other) xterm.
• 1394[15:46:12] <greycat> obviously you can't run xterm from a non-X login like tty2.
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• 1397[15:46:41] <ripspinidentical> Try it then, no go here (as root)
• 1398[15:47:17] <greycat> you shouldn't be in X as root
• 1399[15:47:57] <ripspinidentical> So how do I edit files that only root can edit?
• 1400[15:48:11] <greycat> usually something like "sudo nano /the/file"
• 1401[15:48:41] <greycat> or, "su" followed by "nano /the/file", or whatever terminal-based editor you use
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• 1404[15:49:01] <joechrisellis> `sudoedit` is the way it's meant to be done AFAIK
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• 1406[15:49:16] <greycat> that's overkill if you trust yourself
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• 1410[15:50:33] <ripspinidentical> sudo xterm -bg gainsboro = Stopped Stopped sudo xterm -bg gainsboro sudo xterm -bg gainsboro
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• 1412[15:51:09] <greycat> You don't run the terminals as root.
• 1413[15:51:23] <greycat> You run the EDITOR as root, inside the terminal, which is running as you.
• 1414[15:51:38] <joechrisellis> greycat: maybe, but it preserves the user's environment so you get to keep your user config files
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• 1416[15:51:58] <ripspinidentical> I need to run the terminal because I can't read nano yellow text
• 1417[15:52:19] <greycat> Run the terminal as you with whatever colors and fonts and stuff you like. Then do su or sudo inside it.
• 1418[15:52:50] <ripspinidentical> OK I will try that
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• 1426[15:55:18] <ripspinidentical> it says Im not in the sudousers file
• 1427[15:55:34] <greycat> then use su
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• 1430[15:56:58] <ripspinidentical> OK that did it
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• 1433[15:57:29] <rgr> no i dont mean super l
• 1434[15:57:32] <rgr> I mean super 1
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• 1437[15:58:36] <rgr> or better add yourself to the sudoers file . not a good idea to use su if you dont know how to add yourself to sudoers. su is very dangerous.
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• 1446[16:04:52] <Scruloose> ripspinidentical: for future convenience, if you add your user account to the 'sudo' group, you will then have sudo access without having to edit the sudoers file.
• 1447[16:06:31] <greycat> (you have to logout and back in after that, for the new group to take effect)
• 1448[16:06:59] <karlpinc> (su is no more dangerous than sudo. It is, potentially but not typically, more auditable.)
• 1449[16:08:27] <greycat> well, it's a person who vanished already, and who thinks they have a key named "super 1" *shrug*
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• 1467[16:19:34] <ripspinidentical> I have been using puppy linux for many years, danger only if I delete something I shouldn't. very easy and convenient
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• 1506[16:45:00] <jsync2> Hey. Is it potential to manually repackage gstreamer0.10-* packages out of Jessie for use in later editions of Debian?
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• 1541[17:02:54] <tharkun> Good $DAY. My regular email client is mutt and I'm happy with it. Recently gmail made some "adjustments" and my retriving email config as well as my sending config fell apart. What email client is well supported under Debian and is relatively simple to use?
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• 1546[17:04:49] <karlpinc> tharkun: They all suck. :-)
• 1547[17:05:07] <karlpinc> tharkun: Seriously, I don't really like any of them. Why is mutt broken?
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• 1549[17:05:33] <ratrace> who said mutt was broken? why not assume gmail broke something?
• 1550[17:05:34] <karlpinc> tharkun: If you're happy with it maybe it's best to try to fix mutt.
• 1551[17:05:39] <tharkun> karlpinc: mutt is not broken, my postfix config needs refactoring and my offlineimap config also.
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• 1554[17:06:07] <tharkun> karlpinc: I need to retrieve and send some urgent emails.
• 1555[17:06:17] <karlpinc> ratrace: "broken" as is "does not work". Not necesarly broken, broken.
• 1556[17:06:24] <greycat> if it's *urgent*, use the web interface
• 1557[17:06:49] <karlpinc> Yeah, that'd be the line of least resistance.
• 1558[17:06:50] <tharkun> greycat: Thanks, forgot totally about that.
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• 1564[17:08:22] <tharkun> karlpinc: Something about a "token" or similar. I will look into it further down the line. Thanks anyway.
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• 1582[17:12:15] <tharkun> greycat: :*
• 1583[17:12:22] <tharkun> karlpinc: :*
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• 1587[17:13:58] <jsync2> Has anybody repackaged older libraries for program functionality before? I thought somebody might have a bit of helpful advice.
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• 1592[17:14:37] <greycat> If it's *just* a library, like libpng12-0, you don't generally have to "repackage" it. You just install the original package.
• 1593[17:14:46] <greycat> If it's "a piece of GNOME infrastructure", well, uh...
• 1594[17:15:03] <greycat> I have no idea what gstreamer is or what dependencies it has.
• 1595[17:15:05] <tharkun> jsync2: Older libraries is a vague concept. The devil is in the details glibc has an older version buth porting it or refactoring it to a new system is asking to open hell's doors
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• 1597[17:15:37] <greycat> Also, re-asking your question with LESS detail than the original is moving backward.
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• 1600[17:18:19] <jsync2> Well, it's just 3 or 4 gstreamer0.10* libs. I thought to repackage that would buy me time to compare libs with newer libs & update the software.
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• 1604[17:19:05] <mandeep> i have an application that only runs on jre8
• 1605[17:19:16] <mandeep> but it looks like stable doesnt have it. what to do?
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• 1609[17:20:03] <jsync2> I have never gotten java-anything to work.
• 1610[17:20:10] <jsync2> 😜
• 1611[17:20:13] <mandeep> :(
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• 1613[17:20:39] <mandeep> theres nvidia-openjdk-8-jre but i have no clue how to use it
• 1614[17:20:51] <mandeep> update-alternatives doesnt show it as an option
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• 1617[17:21:29] <jelly> nvidia has their own java?
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• 1620[17:21:37] <jsync2> There's a software called ArtofIllusion that's all java, created of some Irish chaps. The software looked cool, though I couldn't get it to work.
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• 1622[17:21:43] <mandeep> their own openjdk package
• 1623[17:22:05] <jelly> ,v openjdk-8-jdk
• 1624[17:22:06] <judd> Package: openjdk-8-jdk on amd64 -- stretch: 8u232-b09-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 8u242-b08-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 8u242-b08-1~deb9u1; sid: 8u242-b08-1
• 1625[17:22:23] <adikt> you can't just run java in terminal? that's how i run java apps
• 1626[17:22:23] <mandeep> ,v nvidia-openjdk
• 1627[17:22:24] <judd> No package named 'nvidia-openjdk' was found in amd64.
• 1628[17:22:27] <jelly> mandeep: add stretch repos, install that ^ (or -jre, whatever you need)
• 1629[17:22:29] <adikt> java -jar filename
• 1630[17:22:29] <mandeep> ,v nvidia-openjdk-8-jre
• 1631[17:22:30] <judd> Package: nvidia-openjdk-8-jre on amd64 -- buster/non-free: 9.+8u77~9.2.148-7; buster-backports/non-free: 9.+8u77~10.1.168-7~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 9.+8u77~10.1.168-7; sid/non-free: 9.+8u77~10.1.168-7
• 1632[17:22:44] <jelly> ,i nvidia-openjdk-8-jre
• 1633[17:22:45] <judd> Package nvidia-openjdk-8-jre (non-free/java, optional) in buster/amd64: NVIDIA provided OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspot JIT. Version: 9.+8u77~9.2.148-7; Size: 48664.6k; Installed: 190058k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 1634[17:22:59] <jelly> 8u77 sounds very, very old
• 1635[17:23:07] <mandeep> yeah
• 1636[17:23:22] <jelly> 8u242 sounds a bit more sane
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• 1638[17:23:40] <mandeep> i guess i can just try the stretch repo
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• 1643[17:24:25] <jelly> if you have buster installed adding and keeping those enabled should not cause much damage, because all the versions of all the packages are supposed to be strictly lower than versions in buster
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• 1645[17:25:06] <mandeep> is there a way to just use stretch repo for this install? similar to backports
• 1646[17:25:12] <jsync2> So, is it potential to use the Jessie gstreamer0.10 packages in Stretch, or would I need to figure a way to rework those packages for installing them?
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• 1650[17:25:57] <rozie> mandeep: snapshots.debian.org
• 1651[17:26:13] <rozie> replaced-url
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• 1653[17:26:28] <netcrash> Hello, I have mounted a nfs volume but the directory appears to a normal user as with on permissions and no owner or group with ?
• 1654[17:26:29] <jelly> mandeep: no, just add them
• 1655[17:26:33] <netcrash> what can it be?
• 1656[17:26:52] <jelly> it's probably better to use stretch-security than be stuck on a random snapshot
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• 1658[17:27:27] <jelly> mandeep: you can probably set up some pinning or default-release
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• 1660[17:27:41] <mandeep> hmm
• 1661[17:27:46] <jelly> but I do not know how to set that up in a safe manner right now
• 1662[17:28:14] <mandeep> yeah thats what im worried about
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• 1664[17:29:30] <jsync2> Is this about what's formally "supported", & so folks don't want to reply, or just not sure?
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• 1667[17:30:22] * greycat already replied
• 1668[17:30:41] <greycat> !TIAS
• 1669[17:30:41] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
• 1670[17:31:44] <jsync2> Aha. Alright. I just thought somebody would have some info. Thanks!!
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• 1681[17:34:41] <jelly> ,v libgstreamer0.10-0
• 1682[17:34:43] <judd> Package: libgstreamer0.10-0 on amd64 -- jessie: 0.10.36-1.5
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• 1686[17:37:04] <mandeep> i used this and all seems to work well replaced-url
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• 1689[17:39:31] <netcrash> chown debian-transmission torrents/
• 1690[17:39:32] <netcrash> chown: changing ownership of 'torrents/': Invalid argument
• 1691[17:39:47] <netcrash> Why would I be getting this error
• 1692[17:39:48] <netcrash> ?
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• 1694[17:40:06] <greycat> because you're on the NFS client rather than the NFS server, and you didn't suppress RootSquashing
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• 1696[17:40:45] <netcrash> greycat: thank you
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• 1726[18:04:02] <netcrash> greycat: the permissions for the directory are 777 and I still cannot write to the directory , owner and group are equal in id on both machine
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• 1729[18:04:27] <netcrash> on the server I have setup the owner to be a known user
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• 1749[18:12:03] <c05t4> fg
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• 1758[18:17:58] <annadane> !777
• 1759[18:17:59] <dpkg> 777 is the mode corresponding to -rwxrwxrwx and is NEVER the right answer to your permission "problems". Anyone on your box (whether welcome or not) can do anything they want with those directories and files. It is VERY WRONG... learn how to use the permissions properly instead of leaving a gaping security hole to make something work in a hurry. Ask me about <user private groups>, <permissions>, <ftp must die>.
• 1760[18:18:19] <annadane> i'm not sure if that applies to your particular situation or not
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• 1772[18:28:49] <AlbozZ> anyone knows package name for json 2.8.9 , debian 9 ?
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• 1774[18:29:04] <netcrash> annadane: ok. Just testing
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• 1791[18:39:10] <Mathisen> anyone know where i can get .deb of replaced-url
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• 1794[18:40:01] <dvs> ,v tcl-tls
• 1795[18:40:02] <judd> Package: tcl-tls on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6+dfsg-3; stretch: 1.6.7+dfsg-1.2; buster: 1.7.16-1; bullseye: 1.7.20-1; sid: 1.7.20-1
• 1796[18:40:10] <dvs> !ssb
• 1797[18:40:11] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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• 1801[18:42:25] <Mathisen> never use backports realy. so i just add in my case then " deb-src replaced-url
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• 1813[18:48:37] <Mathisen> or how to ask the bot about the sources.list example
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• 1815[18:49:01] <otisolsen70> I have a collection of python sysadmin scripts that I want to use on multiple Debian hosts. What is the best way to distribute these scripts? Should I make debian packages? Or just put them in /opt/foo/bin and then include that in $PATH or something else?
• 1816[18:49:03] <greycat> /msg dpkg deb-src sid
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• 1820[18:51:26] <neox> !dpkg deb-src sid
• 1821[18:51:27] <dpkg> You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the sid release is: "deb-src replaced-url
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• 1831[18:55:24] <Mathisen> thanks
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• 1834[18:57:22] <jukebohi> Suddenly behaviour of scp changes
• 1835[18:57:26] <Mathisen> quick question then. to me this looks like something did not go as planed replaced-url
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• 1838[18:58:18] <jukebohi> in 'scp file.txt username@server.tld:~/somedir/' the shell tries to expand the '~' on local filesystem and covardly refuses to copy the things
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• 1840[18:59:20] <Mathisen> jukebohi, and instead of ~ just use /home/foobar instead it works then ?
• 1841[18:59:34] <jukebohi> this used to work just fine a few days back and now it gives an error that the dir it expanded does not exist and does nothing
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• 1843[19:00:15] <jukebohi> Mathisen: negative... it is a very big box with such large filesystems that I don't know, at least from the top of my mind, where my home dir is
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• 1845[19:01:23] <Mathisen> jukebohi, run " eval echo ~$USER "
• 1846[19:01:29] <Mathisen> as your user
• 1847[19:01:47] <jukebohi> uhh... eval is dangerous
• 1848[19:02:00] <jukebohi> though an echo does not sound very dangerous to eval
• 1849[19:02:00] <Mathisen> echo is not :)
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• 1855[19:03:52] <jukebohi> Mathisen: it returns my home dir on the box I'm trying to scp the stuff from
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• 1858[19:04:57] <Mathisen> yeah ssh into the box you want to scp to. then you know your home dir and change your line scp file.txt username@server.tld:/home/foobar/somedir/
• 1859[19:05:26] <jukebohi> Mathisen: ok. I would have used just 'pwd' to achieve that
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• 1864[19:08:51] <greycat> scp does things relative to your $HOME by default, so you can just specify scp file.txt username@server.tld:somedir/
• 1865[19:08:57] <jukebohi> Butbutbut... good GNU/Linux don't get broken like this that one day you can happily tell a path relative to your home dir in an scp command and then not
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• 1868[19:09:19] <jukebohi> greycat: that I did not know. Thanks for the info.
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• 1870[19:09:43] <greycat> Do not use ~ or $PWD or $HOME or $(pwd) or ... unless you want those things to be expanded on the client side.
• 1871[19:10:14] <jukebohi> worked just fine 2 weeks ago
• 1872[19:10:33] <jukebohi> that the tilde did not get expaneded as a local dir, but at the receiving end
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• 1874[19:12:41] <greycat> ~ is tricky. The shell expands it sometimes, but not other times, depending on the characters that are around it. And various shells have different rules (e.g. bash expands it in some places that dash doesn't).
• 1875[19:13:21] <greycat> If the local side changed to perform the expansion, or if the remote side changed to *not* perform the expansion....
• 1876[19:13:45] <greycat> scp is a very dumb animal and you should not feed it anything tricky.
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• 1887[19:21:05] <An4l_xtrem_troll> Hi
• 1888[19:21:14] <An4l_xtrem_troll> I have a question
• 1889[19:21:19] <An4l_xtrem_troll> can I ask?
• 1890[19:21:37] <diogenes_> !ask
• 1891[19:21:37] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 1892[19:21:45] <An4l_xtrem_troll> !ask
• 1893[19:22:09] <An4l_xtrem_troll> I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Help Please
• 1894[19:22:17] * mtn looks at the nick
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• 1896[19:22:41] <An4l_xtrem_troll> Who is Nick, mtn ?
• 1897[19:23:29] <diogenes_> mtn, has tiger sight in spotting trolls.
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• 1900[19:24:15] <An4l_xtrem_troll> I'm not a Troll. Don't treat me like I'm ... :/
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• 1902[19:24:45] <diogenes_> even your nick is green.
• 1903[19:25:15] <greycat> An4l_xtrem_troll: ask your question, if you have one.
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• 1913[19:32:53] <crivrc> hi what is the current state of free (as in freedom) video conferencing software and what is available in debian?
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• 1916[19:33:21] <An4l_xtrem_troll> I want to replace systemctl by freeinit, can i Do this in Debian?
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• 1921[19:37:35] <diogenes_> crivrc, one option would be jitsi.
• 1922[19:38:40] <greycat> An4l_xtrem_troll: You can try, but it's not supported, so if it breaks, you get to keep the pieces.
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• 1925[19:39:40] <tharkun> !sid
• 1926[19:39:40] <dpkg> it has been said that sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
• 1927[19:39:50] <greycat> every last one!
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• 1931[19:40:44] <crivrc> diogenes, yes I have used jitsi in the past, the client, but when you go to their site it says the client is legacy... is it still being actively developed? is the web service free software?
• 1932[19:41:00] <crivrc> by client I meant the desktop application
• 1933[19:41:16] <crivrc> I can't seem to find ekiga in debian anymore
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• 1937[19:42:39] <crivrc> even in ekiga web site the last version seems to be from 2013 :-(
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• 1939[19:43:53] <crivrc> is matrix the future? does it support video calls?
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• 1942[19:44:41] <diogenes_> crivrc, you won't find many free services like that (i mean FOSS).
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• 1947[19:48:42] <crivrc> diogenes_ It is very unfortunate :-(
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• 1958[19:53:48] <annadane> anyone using xfce in stable can you tell me if ctrl+alt+number actually works to move a window to that workspace? it's assigned that way but does nothing when i press it
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• 1962[19:56:39] <crivrc> annadane, where do you define that? which window is suppose to move?
• 1963[19:56:49] <annadane> the one with focus, i guess
• 1964[19:57:09] <annadane> it's in applications - settings - window manager - keyboard
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• 1966[19:57:37] <crivrc> Application Shorcuts?
• 1967[19:58:50] <annadane> what? the upper left menu thingy
• 1968[19:59:10] <crivrc> I mean once you get to "keyboard"
• 1969[19:59:36] <annadane> it says "move window to workspace x"
• 1970[19:59:51] <crivrc> sorry
• 1971[19:59:54] <crivrc> wrong place
• 1972[20:00:22] <crivrc> I see, I also have that
• 1973[20:00:59] <crivrc> and it doesn't do anything, but my debian has been upgraded ad-nauseum so it is no guarantee of anything
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• 1975[20:01:59] <crivrc> maybe it depends on which window manager is running
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• 1977[20:02:23] <crivrc> xfwm4 I suppose
• 1978[20:02:52] <annadane> i only have xfce installed as a desktop/wm so yes
• 1979[20:02:57] <annadane> i guess it's just a bug
• 1980[20:03:05] <annadane> which is disappointing for something as simple as xfce
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• 1982[20:03:24] <annadane> don't suppose it'll ever get fixed in buster even if i filed a report
• 1983[20:03:33] <crivrc> trl+alt+end works
• 1984[20:03:45] <annadane> that's previous workspace and next workspace
• 1985[20:04:03] <lupulo> crivrc, replaced-url
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• 2028[20:25:23] <crivrc> thanks lupulo
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• 2039[20:29:46] <mutantturkey> i need an old package (libical1a), it's not on buster
• 2040[20:29:51] <mutantturkey> can i just buiild it from source?
• 2041[20:30:11] <somiaj> Sounds like an XY problem, maybe state what you need this for (their maybe another solution).
• 2042[20:30:17] <somiaj> ,v libical1a
• 2043[20:30:19] <judd> Package: libical1a on amd64 -- jessie: 1.0-1.3
• 2044[20:30:26] <mutantturkey> somiaj: it's a dependency for a project i maintain.
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• 2046[20:30:51] <mutantturkey> i can just build it by hand with that version tag from thier source repo
• 2047[20:31:02] <mutantturkey> but i wanted to know if there was a deb tools way to get a deb built
• 2048[20:31:21] <somiaj> ,v libical2
• 2049[20:31:22] <judd> Package: libical2 on amd64 -- stretch: 2.0.0-0.5+b1
• 2050[20:31:23] <mutantturkey> it's weird because libical1 is in sid, and libical2
• 2051[20:31:24] <mutantturkey> right
• 2052[20:31:27] <mutantturkey> but buster only has libical3
• 2053[20:31:41] <somiaj> ,v libical3
• 2054[20:31:42] <judd> Package: libical3 on amd64 -- buster: 3.0.4-3; bullseye: 3.0.7-2; sid: 3.0.7-2
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• 2056[20:32:02] <somiaj> why can't your project depend on libical3?
• 2057[20:32:11] <mutantturkey> ABI/API change
• 2058[20:32:37] <somiaj> You might just have to package that libary and include it with your project
• 2059[20:32:45] <mutantturkey> like i said, yeah
• 2060[20:32:57] <mutantturkey> i am asking can i say 'debian, build this given this build script'
• 2061[20:33:23] <somiaj> you could try to build it from source, but the last time libcal1a was in debian was jessie, so the source is a bit old, and you may have to check it builds in buster
• 2062[20:33:25] <mutantturkey> ex: replaced-url
• 2063[20:33:41] <mutantturkey> right, is there a command to take one of thouse source packages and build from it
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• 2066[20:34:35] <somiaj> various ways to get the source package, you could use the tracker, replaced-url
• 2067[20:34:50] <mutantturkey> replaced-url
• 2068[20:34:51] <somiaj> you could add a jessie deb-src line to your sources.list and 'apt-get sourace packagename'
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• 2070[20:35:17] <somiaj> arg, that is 'apt-get source packagename'
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• 2072[20:36:03] <somiaj> Yea, provided the source builds it is a matter of adding the deb-src line for jessie, apt-get build-dep packagename, then apt-get -b source packagename (note the -b should automatically build it)
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• 2074[20:36:14] <somiaj> (here I am assuming you have build-essential installed)
• 2075[20:36:18] <mutantturkey> yeah
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• 2130[21:18:02] <aeifn> Hi! is it possible to obtain somewhere firmware for old spectrum-24 pcmci wifi card, as described in wiki replaced-url
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• 2220[22:20:09] <aeifn> mutantturkey: firmware-linux-nonfree does not provide necessary files in /lib/firmware (need symbol_sp24t_prim_fw and symbol_sp24t_sec_fw)
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• 2248[22:46:10] <igi_xmpp> hi
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• 2253[22:51:58] <dvs> boo
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• 2266[23:02:40] <alefrancois> hello everybody
• 2267[23:03:20] <alefrancois> there are peapol know yad - display GTK+ dialogs ?
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• 2278[23:13:27] <littlebit> hi people, I have been trying to do the following tutorial: replaced-url
• 2279[23:15:02] <littlebit> now, it didn't work and looking at dmesg, i have the following error message: Config c/1 of isticktoiot needs at least one function
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• 2283[23:15:39] <littlebit> and apparently it has a problem with executing: mkdir -p functions/acm.usb0
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