145[02:50:07] <dadinn> I am facing a problem with current Debian stable (Buster)
146[02:50:20] <dadinn> it is grub not supporting LUKS2 format
147[02:51:53] <dadinn> firstly, I was shocked to see that Debian finally broke backward compatibility, breaking installer script which used to work with anything before stretch, now break disasterously
149[02:53:01] <dadinn> disasterous I mean after the installer finished, the user reboots, and locked out of the machine, not able to unlock the hard drive... without any error (even warning) being reported during install
150[02:53:21] <dadinn> perfect!
151[02:54:14] <dadinn> at any rate, I am looking for a workaround, is there a way to install a grub version (from backports or whatever) which supports LUKS version 2?
168[03:03:26] <dadinn> themill: I am aware of the recent upstream fix/update to grub, my question is more if there is a way to use it on Buster (maybe from backports)
169[03:03:43] <themill> it sounds like you're chasing the wrong thing
170[03:04:17] <dadinn> themill: it is related to grub, because it doesn't know LUKS2 format, therefore it luksOpen fail to unlock with the passphrase
171[03:04:41] <themill> grub would not be trying to do anything with luke
220[03:38:20] <helloman34> There is no more space on the root directory. There is room elsewhere on the drive. I did df to find this information out. Does anyone know how to "move" per se, or re allocate space from one part of the drive to another. ? Thanks
254[04:04:01] <helloman34> Katana_Steel i did apt clean. helped marginally. Is making a symlink to the larger partition the way to go? I am naive to this. First time coming across this issue.
287[04:19:40] <somiaj> helloman34: if you can find the source of the disk ussage, you can just copy the data elsewhere (and make a link) -- depending on what it is, not everything likes links
288[04:20:10] <somiaj> but you can move it just like any files, I use the 'mv' command, you could also 'cp' or 'rysnc' it then remove it
289[04:21:13] <Katana_Steel> Drag and drop in your file manager of choice too, possibly with root privileges
290[04:21:47] <helloman34> @somiaj 1.) how does one find the source of the disk usage. I already knew from df that var was only like 5% used.
291[04:22:10] <somiaj> you look around with the du command, try tot track down where the data is located, hence why I suggested du -h /var
292[04:22:13] <somiaj> but look around your drive
293[04:22:17] <Katana_Steel> like you mentioned df can tell you which partition and mount point is larger
294[04:22:37] <somiaj> du can tell you how much a file tree uses, while df tells you whole partition
295[04:23:41] <helloman34> in my case I know that the /home is where I have the available space. root ( / ) is what is full. So I need to look around in the root partition to see what I can move to the /home partition?
300[04:28:48] <karlpinc> helloman34: I don't suppose you've used LVM for your partitions when you installed?
301[04:29:47] <helloman34> @karlpinc tbh i have no idea if i did
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303[04:30:20] <Katana_Steel> lsblk will show
304[04:30:30] <karlpinc> helloman34: What does "lvs" say when run as root?
305[04:30:50] <karlpinc> Katana_Steel: Thanks. That works as a regular user.
306[04:31:18] <Katana_Steel> You're welcome
307[04:31:35] <helloman34> @somiaj after running du i found that i /lib is taking up around 234 mb. If i cut and paste all those folders to /home will that be suffice
308[04:31:54] <helloman34> @karlpinc I see the sizes of the partitions. Very similar to df
309[04:32:15] <karlpinc> The TYPE column would have to say "lvm".
310[04:32:16] <Katana_Steel> Also if you have xfs on any volume you can't make more space without a new storage device
311[04:32:20] <helloman34> karlpinc I get home root swap tmp and var
323[04:35:47] <helloman34> so the 23 gb is completely full
324[04:35:58] <somiaj> helloman34: how much space was in /var, also cehck /opt and /usr/local, how much space is in those three places
325[04:36:01] <somiaj> I mean how much is being used
326[04:36:22] <helloman34> 9.3 gb in var with 5% in use
327[04:37:16] <somiaj> helloman34: du -h /var/cache/apt/archives
328[04:37:23] <somiaj> 9.3gb in /var is a bit much, lets see what in var is using that
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330[04:37:55] <karlpinc> helloman34: 23G would seem to be enough. What do you have on there? (My root partition uses 1.3G, plus the 9.3G used on /usr is only 10.6G. Is it because I don't have a full gnome or kde installed, just what I need?)
339[04:39:56] <somiaj> helloman34: hmm, lets try to figure out what in /var is taking up so much space, now try 'du -h /var/log' -- just give me the total used by /var/log (it willb e the last line)
340[04:40:09] <somiaj> also make sure you are running these commands as root, normal users can't see all files in /var
341[04:40:11] <karlpinc> somiaj: Didn't he say /var is a separate partition?
342[04:40:30] <helloman34> @karlpinc it is
343[04:40:36] <helloman34> 9.3 gb
344[04:40:37] <somiaj> karlpinc: did they? I thought they said 9.3 gigs was being used by /var (since I asked for du -h /var a while ago)
345[04:40:52] <somiaj> oh I thought that was how much was being used by /var, not the size of the partition
346[04:41:15] <somiaj> well anyways, the basic idea is to figure out where most the space is being used. 23gigs should be okay if you don't have multiple desktops installed
347[04:41:23] <helloman34> you can call me he its cool.
348[04:41:26] <karlpinc> somiaj: They have /home /tmp/ /var /
349[04:41:41] <helloman34> 9.3 is what is available on var. Only 5% is being used of that 9.3 gb
350[04:41:53] <karlpinc> helloman34: Let's worry about /
351[04:42:15] <helloman34> karlpinc yeah thats the root of the problem. PUN INTENDED
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353[04:42:42] <karlpinc> helloman34: So any clue what you installed that takes up so much space? Or do we need to dig around?
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355[04:43:48] <helloman34> karlpinc we need to dig around. I imagine it was not one thing.
356[04:44:07] <karlpinc> helloman34: You are definately running debian?
357[04:44:10] <helloman34> I cant even mount an external usb
358[04:44:18] <helloman34> BRO IM 100% not that lost
359[04:44:23] <helloman34> yes I am running debian lol
361[04:45:02] <karlpinc> Humm. Maybe asking tasksel what tasks are installed is a start? ....
362[04:45:22] <helloman34> when I try to mount an external hard drive I get a warning saying there is no space left on the device. Must be that the hard drive by default mounts to /
363[04:45:35] <helloman34> ^^^ just a symptom I am relaying
365[04:46:25] <somiaj> helloman34: du -h /usr (how much total space is being used there, just give me last line)
366[04:46:46] <somiaj> no having no space really makes lots of things not work, lets find what it using some space and get you some space back
367[04:46:54] <helloman34> somiaj 5.1 gb
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369[04:47:12] <somiaj> helloman34: du -h /opt (any data there)?
370[04:47:31] <helloman34> @somiaj I appreciate the desire to help me find space
371[04:47:59] <helloman34> somiaj 304 mb
372[04:48:21] <karlpinc> "tasksel --list-tasks" _would_ be useful, but I'd think that would mostly put stuff in /usr/....
373[04:48:21] <somiaj> the first thing is to figure out where the space is being usd, 5.1 gigs in /usr says the bulk is being used elsewhere. /usr is where most of the data debian puts on your machine would be. So this is something outsie of debian I belive
374[04:48:40] <somiaj> I think most data in debian would be in /usr from packages and /var from logs/data/mail/archives
376[04:48:58] <karlpinc> And if somiaj Is right, then the "something" that's using lots of data should be easy to move.
377[04:49:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1501
378[04:49:07] <karlpinc> (Or at least ought to be.)
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380[04:49:36] <somiaj> helloman34: maybe paste the output of 'ls' of /, or start poking around yourself, use du -h on each directory in /, and figure out what else besides /usr is taking up space. Don't worry about /home or /var since those are different partitions
382[04:50:21] <helloman34> @somiaj on my drive most data is written to /home ( I know this from df output_
383[04:50:28] <karlpinc> helloman34: Moving standard system stuff to non-standard locations is going to get pretty ugly at some point -- best to avoid when you can really address the issue.
384[04:50:50] <somiaj> helloman34: here we only care about stuff on / partition, so that is why I said don't worry about /home, it is a differnt partition
385[04:51:01] <karlpinc> helloman34: Yes, but obviously not all of it. Something got written to /
386[04:51:13] <karlpinc> helloman34: Let's find it.
398[04:54:28] * karlpinc sometimes still can't remember the lsblk stuff even exists.
399[04:55:21] <helloman34> @karlpinc did this command what am i looking for
400[04:55:30] <ryouma> on stretch, i used to be able to play a dvd using vlc and libdvdread4. now, it says No css library available, and before that like disc.c:352: error opening file BDMV/BACKUP/index.bdmv. hints?
401[04:55:43] <ryouma> if i try to purge and tehn reinstall vlc to fix this, there are too many packages that it wants to purge, so i did not try that
402[04:55:54] <karlpinc> helloman34: Some directory taking up lots of space. Which takes the most and how much?
403[04:56:19] <karlpinc> helloman34: Or just paste the whole thing for us at paste.debian.net.
404[04:57:05] <helloman34> karlpinc .home 152 gb
405[04:57:12] <somiaj> ryouma: this has always been an issue, but only some dvds require libdvdcss. If you check /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/ theer is a debian readme that tells you how to build libdvdcss from source.
406[04:57:32] <somiaj> helloman34: well we don't care about /home or /var since they are spearate partitions, what other ones?
407[04:57:45] <karlpinc> helloman34: Ok. So what is the /.home directory and do you need anything in it?
408[04:58:00] <somiaj> ryouma: debian multimedia also has a libcss packaged already. In general I don't trust dmo, but I have int he past downlaoded that one lib and installed it with dpkg and it worked.
409[04:58:20] <somiaj> karlpinc: I think they mean /home, there is no way 152 gb dierctory is on a 23gb partition.
419[05:01:28] <karlpinc> somiaj: So much for being clever with -x. :)
420[05:03:56] <helloman34> @karlpinc somiaj here is the output to ls / replaced-url
421[05:04:19] <karlpinc> !pastebin.com
422[05:04:19] <dpkg> pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, is full of js, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like replaced-url
432[05:06:15] <somiaj> no /media is standard on desktop systems, ignore me.
433[05:06:28] <helloman34> yes R is there. I use R but not recently. Its the /media directory
434[05:06:29] <somiaj> but check out /R, how much space is being used there?
435[05:06:41] <somiaj> R is a big probgram, you should put it in /home
436[05:06:49] <somiaj> helloman34: du -h /R (how much space is it using)?
437[05:06:52] <karlpinc> There is always the possibility that something _didn't_ get mounted on /media and that the root fs was written to instead.
438[05:07:05] <helloman34> 689 mb for R. This is not the issue its gotta be /media
439[05:07:35] <somiaj> helloman34: du -h /media (how much space is being used there)
440[05:07:44] <helloman34> this makes sense cus I can not mount any external device (USB, external hard drive)
441[05:07:51] <karlpinc> helloman34: Presumeably you did the du on all the dirs in /, so you should know what's using the most space.
442[05:08:02] <karlpinc> helloman34: Nah. That wouldn't really have to do with it.
443[05:08:12] <somiaj> helloman34: that is still amost a gig, you should try to orgiinze where you put third party stuff on your system. I would also consider moving /R to /home/R (to a partition with more space), or if you only have one user /home/username/R
444[05:08:55] <helloman34> 17 g on /media
445[05:09:04] <helloman34> how do I move the R directory without screwing anything up
452[05:11:02] <helloman34> @somiaj this is a whole can of worms. Upgrading from 3.3 to 3.5 was a total pain in the ass. I am recollecting now, but there was a problem with dependencies and such. Getting ptsd thinking about it.
453[05:11:22] <karlpinc> helloman34: You _could_ just install the r-base package, and use the debian R. But not if you're a serious R user and need the latest and greatest.
454[05:11:35] <helloman34> I installed R from CRAN
455[05:11:58] <helloman34> I needed the 3.5 version for the project I was working on.
458[05:12:25] <helloman34> which i do not think is supported in debian. But I think we are digressing. The problem is in /media
459[05:12:32] <somiaj> helloman34: debian provides r packages, but overall I guess where it is won't be a big deal once you clear up media.
460[05:12:48] <helloman34> whats the best way to move the files in this case
461[05:12:58] <karlpinc> helloman34: Buster has 3.5.
462[05:13:22] <helloman34> Yeah I am running stretch.
463[05:13:50] <karlpinc> helloman34: But that's neither here nor there. You might want more control over your R version. And R is not the issue. Figure out what's in /media and move it.
466[05:14:13] <somiaj> helloman34: the mv command if you want to move them to /home for instance. Anyways, figure out what went wrong in /media (there might be multiple sub dirs), what is taking up that space, is it stuff you have copies of or not, and decide where to mvoe it
467[05:14:19] <karlpinc> helloman34: Or maybe delete it. As I say, maybe you thought it was going onto external media and you already have another copy on some external media.
468[05:14:32] <karlpinc> helloman34: (Just be sure nothing's mounted on /media)
472[05:15:51] <helloman34> nothing mounted on /media we are in the clear
473[05:16:49] <karlpinc> helloman34: And plan for upgrading to buster. Read the buster release notes so you really have no suprises. The pocket version is:
474[05:16:54] <helloman34> for this what is the best way to discern what to move on the /media directory. the DU output is dense
475[05:16:56] <karlpinc> !stretch->buster
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478[05:17:48] <karlpinc> helloman34: Really, whatever you use to look at directries. cd into it, do ls -lh. Or use some file-browser-thingie in a gui. Whatever works.
479[05:18:16] <karlpinc> helloman34: The "file" command is super handy if you don't know what you might be looking at.
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493[05:24:34] <karlpinc> helloman34: I'd only expect that if something has those files open.
494[05:24:57] <karlpinc> helloman34: Try cd-ing into the dir and look with ls to see what's still there?
495[05:25:21] <ryouma> somiaj: i did read the readme, but i thought that was taken care of by libdvdread4, which i have installed, and which worked for the previous dvd of the same series
496[05:25:28] <karlpinc> helloman34: (Perhaps your gui file-thingie still has it open?)
498[05:26:13] <somiaj> ryouma: debian can't ship the encryption means of libdvdcss, not all dvd's actually use it.
499[05:26:33] <somiaj> so if you ahve a dvd that needs libdvdcss, you need to install it from outside of debian. The Readme tells you how to compile it from source
500[05:27:11] <helloman34> @karlpinc how is this possible for root to exist here? I am confused replaced-url
501[05:28:01] <helloman34> how is media under media. I am confused by the tree to be honest
506[05:29:40] <somiaj> helloman34: sounds like you did something to compound the issue there, is this /media/media a link or another directory (links are possible)
507[05:29:41] <karlpinc> damo22: Done an "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" lately?
508[05:29:52] <damo22> no not lately
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510[05:29:59] <damo22> i tried to do apt update
511[05:30:06] <damo22> and got that error
512[05:30:58] <user217_> hello. How I can install openjdk-12-jre:i386 on debian x64 ?
513[05:30:59] <helloman34> @somiaj this is what I get: replaced-url
515[05:31:10] <helloman34> What does the $ sign mean again
516[05:31:23] <karlpinc> helloman34: "ls -a .." in that dir would tell you if you're looking at a symlink to /.
517[05:31:44] <somiaj> helloman34: cd /media sends you to the /media dir, this doens't mean media is a subdir
518[05:32:15] <karlpinc> helloman34: "$" is at the end of a normal prompt when you're a regular user. Root has "#".
519[05:32:31] <ryouma> somiaj: i am confused. i thought this library downloaded it for me or something. guess i was wrong. so does this mean that for the same series of dvd, dvd 1 could have been not-encrypted and thus worked while dvd 2 is encrypted? i vaguely thought that libdvdread4 fixed everything for dvd1.
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521[05:33:18] <karlpinc> damo22: Maybe try another mirror? Dunno.
522[05:33:21] <helloman34> @karlpinc this is what i get replaced-url
523[05:33:44] <damo22> ryouma: its illegal to possess a dvd decryption library in some countries, therefore it is not included by default iirc
524[05:34:01] <somiaj> ryouma: debian cannot legagly supply libdvdcss, you have to go get it on your own.
525[05:34:25] <ryouma> so dvd1 was not encrypted i guess as it worked
526[05:34:31] <ryouma> following the link says i can just install libdvd-pkg which will compile it though
527[05:34:32] <somiaj> its been a while since I've watched dvds on linux, but I always had to manually go get libdvdcss
528[05:34:38] <ryouma> which is what i thought libdvdread4 did :)
529[05:34:45] <karlpinc> helloman34: That's in /media. The big file with lot-o-numbers in the name is in /media/giovanni/.
530[05:34:52] <ryouma> i thought all that was fixed in recent years
531[05:34:56] <somiaj> no libdvdread4 doens't have all the encryption stuff included.
532[05:35:00] <ryouma> ok
533[05:35:56] <helloman34> @karlpinc so what is your point?
534[05:36:02] <karlpinc> somiaj: There's not even something in non-free that get dvdcss and compiles it for you? (Somehow I thought things had gotten easier since I last tried years and years ago.) No need to answer.
536[05:36:33] <somiaj> karlpinc: maybe some change has happend, but the newest version of libdvdread 6.0.2 still contains that info
537[05:36:37] <karlpinc> helloman34: You asked about the content of the dir with lots of numbers in the name. So you need to ls in the dir that contains that dir.
538[05:37:24] <helloman34> @karlpinc which i did.
539[05:37:53] <damo22> how does the gpg signing work if you need to trust the key before you install the package that contains the key?
540[05:38:17] <somiaj> karlpinc: I am not seeing any package with dvdcss in it that seems to do that. libdvdread4 cannot do that because it is in main, and it would be a policy violation to install possibliy illegale software on your system when installed.
541[05:38:30] <karlpinc> helloman34: I got the contents of /media and the content of /media/giovanni/22ca202c-2004-4fa2-8f67-a33330110dc9/, there's a "giovanni" dir in between.
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547[05:39:23] <karlpinc> damo22: The installer has the key.
548[05:39:44] <damo22> is it possible my install is too old and has a generation of key missing
549[05:39:59] <karlpinc> helloman34: Well, you asked about why the number dir looks like root. We need to see the number dir listed in it's parent dir to know.
550[05:40:34] <karlpinc> helloman34: (And your main user's home dir is not in /media/, so....)
559[05:42:06] <karlpinc> damo22: But are you sure your're looking only at debian repos? What does your sources-list say?
560[05:42:20] <damo22> karlpinc: im on Hurd
561[05:42:27] <helloman34> ok tbh I am getting a little confused. I dont understand how under /media/giovanni/22ca202c-2004-4fa2-8f67-a33330110dc9 when i ls and cd in /media which is under /media/giovanni/22ca202c-2004-4fa2-8f67-a33330110dc9 i get brought back to square 1. Is this a circle lol. Educate me.
562[05:43:25] <karlpinc> helloman34: Let me try again. What does "ls -hd /media/giovanni/22ca202c-2004-4fa2-8f67-a33330110dc9" say?
563[05:43:32] <damo22> helloman34: putting / in front of the path makes it go back to root
564[05:43:40] <ryouma> somiaj: it seems that libdvd-pkg is supposed to do all that. if libdvdread4 is in main that is obviously the wrong thing. so i installed (again?) libdvd-pkg. now it should work. but doesn't.
565[05:43:58] <ryouma> that oen is in contrib
566[05:44:35] <somiaj> ahh guess I learn something, still is strange libdvdread doesn't mention that package
567[05:44:58] <somiaj> (I can understand not being depending on it, that would break policy, but I don't see how informing users of the contrib package would break policy)
568[05:45:03] <somiaj> though maybe it encurages use of contrib
597[05:50:42] <karlpinc> helloman34: Well I don't know how it got there, but you don't need a copy of the dvd. And especially don't need it filling up /. So you can probably delete the whole thing with 'rm -rf 22ca202c-2004-4fa2-8f67-a33330110dc9' or similar.
598[05:51:13] <helloman34> @karlpinc o god this seems risky as shit
599[05:51:20] <karlpinc> helloman34: Possibly. But root has to have a home directory. And it shouldn't be in /home in case /home can't be mounted. So it is /root.
600[05:51:23] <karlpinc> !fhs
601[05:51:24] <dpkg> Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See replaced-url
602[05:52:20] <karlpinc> helloman34: If you're that spooked, change the name to "george" and reboot. If the system still works, delete george.
603[05:52:45] <helloman34> @karlpinc how confident are you that this will not screw up my system. (I backed up the system a month ago. not that big a deal)
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605[05:53:07] <damo22> no, /media/x/UUID is a mounted fs
606[05:53:16] <karlpinc> helloman34: How did you install? Stick a dvd in the player and boot from it?
607[05:53:27] <damo22> he probably has the DVD in the drive
608[05:53:32] <helloman34> @karlpinc i installed from bootable usb
609[05:53:40] <helloman34> I dont have the dvd in the drive
610[05:53:47] <damo22> or the stick plugged in
611[05:53:48] <karlpinc> damo22: He says he did a lsblk (or findmnt) and there's nothing mounted.
612[05:53:49] <helloman34> nothing is in the drive. I am not that lost
620[05:56:01] <karlpinc> helloman34: It's very probably some filesystem you copied after a mount failed, and you thought you were copying onto removable media. If it were me, I'd just delete it. But since it's you, try changing the directory name and rebooting. That should reassure you.
621[05:56:28] <helloman34> @damo22 we already went through this. The entire drive is encrypted but supposedly it doesnt matter
622[05:57:08] <damo22> ok ill stay out of it
623[05:57:09] <karlpinc> helloman34: If you change the name, anything that uses it won't be able to find it. But it will still be there. (Just remember the old name so you can undo, that being the point.)
627[05:58:06] <karlpinc> helloman34: In theory, your system could be broken enough that _something_ is using those files. If that's your problem you have other issues.
628[05:58:25] <damo22> what could be causing the above?
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630[05:59:04] <karlpinc> helloman34: You're worried about the 22ca202c-2004-4fa2-8f67-a33330110dc9, so change it's name. Then you can mess with the other stuff in /media/giovanni/.
631[05:59:32] <karlpinc> helloman34: Unless you think you need nothing in /media/giovanni/.
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635[06:01:12] <helloman34> @karlpinc screw it. Do I need to be in a specific directory to run rm -rf 22ca202c-2004-4fa2-8f67-a33330110dc9
636[06:01:33] <karlpinc> helloman34: Possibly something is mounting on /media/giovanni/, at some point. Check fstab. (And I don't know what some fuse fs stuff might do or gui desktop defaults might be.) If the directory does not exist at all then trying to mount on it would be a problem. But for sure it should be empty. (Unless something is mounted on it.)
637[06:02:24] <karlpinc> helloman34: Put /media/giovanni/ in front of the name to be in any directory to remove it.
638[06:02:53] <karlpinc> helloman34: (The tab key is your friend.)
639[06:02:59] <helloman34> @karlpinc nothing is mounted on 22ca202c-2004-4fa2-8f67-a33330110dc9 so that is not a problem
640[06:03:50] <karlpinc> helloman34: I'm thinking you may not want to remove the /media/giovanni/ directory. That you'll just want to remove (or move!) its contents.
641[06:05:09] <karlpinc> (On the other hand, you can always re-create an empty directory easily enough.)
642[06:05:09] <helloman34> @karlpinc prefereably i would like to move this to /home where the space is
643[06:05:51] <karlpinc> helloman34: mv would be the command (or rsync, if you might possibly get interrupted and it will take forever and you don't want to restart from the beginning.)
644[06:06:26] <karlpinc> rsync just has way too many options.
645[06:06:27] <helloman34> karlpinc so while in the directory mv 22ca202c-2004-4fa2-8f67-a33330110dc9 to /home
646[06:06:59] <karlpinc> helloman34: Yes... But I'd move it to /home/govianni/oddstuff-to-sort-out/
678[06:30:31] <ryouma> helloman34: the good news: tends to unmount and kill processes. the bad news: might kill something you want or not boot correctly.
679[06:31:10] <ryouma> just saying save files first etc.
682[06:31:40] <helloman34> @ryouma. I think this might be my sign off. I cant save files cus usb, or hard drive doesnt mount
683[06:34:09] <helloman34> @ryouma wait a second. the external hard drive now mounts. ITs the exact same mount point 22ca202c-2004-4fa2-8f67-a33330110dc9 as the one which I moved (when the har drive was not mounted ) im confused as shit
684[06:34:13] <ryouma> helloman34: i'm sorry, i shouldn't be giving advice as i have not read full scrollback
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789[08:32:19] <McErroneous> hey, how do i stop syslog messages from beeing send to my prompt, i changed it a month ago.., i forgot how to change the message priority to be send to syslog , instead of beeing send to prompt
794[08:33:44] <dpkg> it has been said that printk is see docs for <sysctl> and adjust /etc/sysctl.conf kernel.printk (3 4 1 7 or so). You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. See replaced-url
796[08:34:32] <ViperXL75> Running Debian9 stretch. I'm trying to figure out where to change settings to get my additional mouse buttons to work. Mouse has 'back' and 'forward' and other buttons which are non-responsive now. Where do i go to change them?
797[08:35:08] <jm_> ViperXL75: perhaps start by checking if pressing those is detected, you can use evtest for that
817[08:42:01] <ViperXL75> Strange enough "evtest" is not seeing any events/buttons when i press the other buttons. It sees the normal mouse left and rightclick, the mousemovement, the scrolling, but it's as if linux isn't even aware of the existence of the additional buttons. (I have an old Logitech Air mouse MX)
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942[10:16:46] <Leoneof> hi, I installed windows on 2nd partition, well you know it won't boot to debian anymore, how to fix grub? i've debian live usb-stick
943[10:17:05] <jm_> reinstall grub
944[10:17:24] <jm_> !fixmbr
945[10:17:25] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
973[10:35:17] <ViperXL75> oh i eventualy managed to get in
974[10:35:22] <ViperXL75> jm_ thanks for your help
975[10:35:29] <jm_> no problem
976[10:36:52] <ViperXL75> After reading through a couple of manuals I'm starting to realize I'll have to dive in deeper into the Debian machine. But it's the main machine connected to my living-room TV. Also the one sharing media throughout my house. By just doing 1 restart, I immedately got a question from my wife asking "what r u doing?".
977[10:37:34] <jm_> ahh that explains the air mouse :)
978[10:37:37] <ViperXL75> So i have to plan a "maintenance window" in order to do this. xD I think i'll dive deeper into it next week.
979[10:37:55] <ViperXL75> yeah. In my case I just use Yatse remote on my phone to manage through Kodi.
980[10:38:02] <ViperXL75> But ... well.... wifes. :(
981[10:38:53] <ViperXL75> She's either playing music from multiroom speakers... or watching movies/series. Which are all dependant on the debian machine. One thing though.
983[10:39:49] <ViperXL75> Initialy i tried to install Windows on the machine (about 11 years ago) and kept getting mysterious disconnects to my linux-mediaplayer. At a certain point i got fed up and installed linux-ubuntu. All i can say is... Holy-crap.
989[10:41:04] <ViperXL75> The thing worked flawlessly for about 8 years flat. Till i decided to install Debian about 3 years ago... and again... flawless reliable steady working.
990[10:41:07] <ViperXL75> Linux ftw!!!!
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1047[11:16:39] <themill> You shouldn't be trying to mix stable and testing/unstable like that. It's not going to go well
1048[11:17:20] <WizJin> i need to have that particular version of libc6 somehow, as some other package i want to install depends on that particular version
1049[11:17:36] <themill> yeah, that's a sign that you shouldn't use that other package as it's not designed for your release
1050[11:18:11] <WizJin> actually that package demends newer version of libc,
1051[11:19:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1537
1052[11:19:17] <jelly> WizJin: what is the actual package and version that you want installed?
1053[11:19:53] <jelly> typically you'd search for and do a local backport build of a newer version.
1054[11:19:54] <WizJin> i want to install opensips-mysql-module
1071[11:27:46] <jelly> WizJin: which debian release do you have installed?
1072[11:27:58] <WizJin> 10.3
1073[11:28:26] <jelly> two options: rebuild it from source, or install the package from stretch
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1075[11:28:31] <jelly> !ssb
1076[11:28:31] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
1077[11:28:49] <jelly> WizJin: ^ the recipe to rebuild it from source for your installed release
1078[11:29:13] <WizJin> jelly it turned out i dont need that package at all
1233[13:36:39] <jelly> WizJin: if you want to use binary packages from stretch you may have to add repos for stretch to satisfy dependencies. /msg dpkg stretch sources.list
1267[14:05:13] <tcurdt> apt-get install prometheus ... The following additional packages will be installed: exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light...
1268[14:05:48] <dvs> ,info prometheus
1269[14:05:49] <judd> Package prometheus (net, optional) in buster/amd64: Monitoring system and time series database. Version: 2.7.1+ds-3+b11; Size: 10710.1k; Installed: 46663k; Homepage: replaced-url
1275[14:07:33] <themill> I can't see any dependency chain that would cause exim to be installed if you already have the postfix package installed
1276[14:07:37] <tcurdt> Fox: well, postfix or exim ... the dep to a MTA is not OK from what I can tell
1277[14:07:46] <themill> !apt-recommends
1278[14:07:46] <dpkg> Packages required in all but unusual cases (that is, "breakable" dependencies) are called "recommended" packages. By not installing these packages, you miss the standard functionality they provide. To disable once, "aptitude -R install packagename" or "apt-get --no-install-recommends install packagename". To disable permanently, echo "APT::Install-Recommends no;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/no-recommends. See <why recommends>.
1339[14:28:04] <SpearRaven> I then went here ... replaced-url
1340[14:28:10] <MaxFrames> any idea why I don't seem to have any "build-key*" file anywhere on my debian openvpn installation? so "./build-key-pass" results in "command not found"?
1372[14:46:54] <spigot> oh. for those following along at home, ofc I changed something, and it's the compositer? compton is using system sounds through pulseaudio. marco without compton is for some reason using both. at least I have a starting point- was completely stumped!
1403[15:03:38] <greycat> LANG= in /etc/default/locale will override whatever locale the ssh client tries to send
1404[15:03:54] <themill> There are some very odd values in that list, particularly LC_C_TYPE
1405[15:04:08] <themill> err LC_CTYPE
1406[15:05:06] <greycat> What does "locale" say (without -a)? Apparently you're setting LC_CTYPE=UTF-8 which is not good.
1407[15:05:34] <greycat> The output of "locale" should show that without quotes, indicating that it's explicitly set. The ones WITH quotes are derived.
1411[15:06:50] <greycat> I haven't explicitly tested it, but I suspect the LANG= in /etc/default/locale only overrides LANG from the client, not LC_CTYPE from the client.
1414[15:08:39] <themill> I have a recollection of mac ssh clients sending some very odd values for LC_CTYPE
1415[15:08:47] <greycat> As I suspected, see how LC_CTYPE=UTF-8 has no quotes around it? That's explicitly set in your environment. Probably from the ssh client.
1416[15:09:04] <greycat> It could also be coming from one of your shell dot files on the server.
1427[15:11:11] <tcurdt> connecting from macOS to buster
1428[15:11:21] <themill> !mac locales
1429[15:11:22] <dpkg> If you're getting "Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale" when connecting from an Apple Macintosh to a Debian host over ssh: (a) In Terminal, uncheck Settings->Advanced->"Set locale environment variables on startup", or (b) change SendEnv in ~/.ssh/config to not send LC_CTYPE (man ssh_config), or (c) change AcceptEnv on remote sshd, or (d) overwrite that value in your login scripts (.profile or similar).
1492[15:31:58] <greycat> oh, so actually left "SendEnv LANG LC_*" in /etc/ssh/ssh_config, and you added "SendEnv -LC_CTYPE" in ~/.ssh/ssh_config? Then it should have worked, if my reading of the man page is correct, and if your version of ssh is modern enough to match the man page I'm reading.
1493[15:32:29] <greycat> but I haven't tested any of this
1495[15:32:45] <tcurdt> greycat: the log shows that my ~/.ssh/config get applied BEFORE it overridden by /etc/ssh/ssh_config
1496[15:33:09] <tcurdt> which is - unexpected
1497[15:33:21] <themill> ssh_config(5) actually says that
1498[15:33:57] <themill> for most things, that works because it's the *first* setting that is the relevant one; for your use of "-" that's not the case, unfortunately
1499[15:34:33] <greycat> I'm not sure how "the first obtaibed value will be used" mixes with "Multiple environment variables may be separated by whitespace or spread across multiple SendEnv directives"
1512[15:47:25] <tcurdt> themill: well, if I think about it as sets and I apply them in the order of cli > user > system I don't see a reason why there should be a problem
1513[15:47:55] <themill> except it is quite explicitly not
1515[15:48:23] <themill> «It is possible to clear previously set SendEnv variable names by prefixing patterns with -. » 'previously' is important.
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1517[15:49:17] <themill> This is also the sort of thing that will never get changed because that sort of behaviour change will have people ranting for years to come.
1518[15:49:53] <tcurdt> themill: sorry, but I don't read that the way you do
1519[15:50:01] <tcurdt> but I agree - it's the way it is
1520[15:50:09] <tcurdt> and it works now for me :)
1521[15:50:18] <tcurdt> so ... thanks for all the help!
1522[15:50:34] <tcurdt> but I still think this is a "WTF" :)
1523[15:51:28] <themill> If it hasn't been previously set it can't be cleared. If it's set until the 3rd place from which the config is read, it can't be unset in the 2nd place.
1524[15:51:34] <jelly> previously there was no way to UnSendEnv; that it exists now and is applied at not the right time is... unsurprising
1525[15:51:56] <jelly> they'll get it right some day
1526[15:51:56] <greycat> clearly the solution is to put *two* SendEnv lines in ~/.ssh/config
1527[15:52:31] <themill> greycat: except I assume it would get added back again at the end
1560[16:07:01] <iMPERiUS> [7499:0309/170559.095174:FATAL:setuid_sandbox_host.cc(157)] The SUID sandbox helper binary was found, but is not configured correctly. Rather than run without sandboxing I'm aborting now. You need to make sure that /tmp/.mount_LedgerWCRjxj/chrome-sandbox is owned by root and has mode 4755.
1567[16:08:48] <thms> Hi. When I use gnt-instance console, I can see the boot messages, but once it's booted, I do not get the possibility to login. I figure something is wrong with my inittab, but do not really know where to look.
1647[16:57:53] <etr> hi, nothing debian specific, I'm using a distro based on debian (mx linux). Anyway I was learning more about file/directory permissions, and have set some binaries' (more specifically wine* executables) ownership to wine:wine and permissions to 04755 (-rwtr-xr-x) with the intention of sandboxing wine (running under user 'wine') away from my home folder. But I'm not successful having the binaries running as 'wine'. They keep running
1648[16:57:53] <etr> as 'etr'. Noteworthy is that the system resides inside a USB connected HDD. But although it's a removable drive, the system is residing there so from the point of the system there shouldn't be a security issue with setuid, right ? And if that's not the cause, then what may be the cause ?
1649[16:58:17] <etr> tif I'm offtopic let me know, thank you.
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1655[16:59:29] <greycat> (1) yes, you're off topic, (2) your "ls -l" output is a lie, because setuid isn't "t", (3) is that even a Unix file system, (4) is the program you're trying to break a script, or compiled
1683[17:06:46] <etr> well wincfg could be a pythin script let me check
1684[17:06:55] <pasiz> what a toothpulling
1685[17:06:55] <greycat> Three refusals. It was a simple request, and it was ABSOLUTELY FUCKING MANDATORY to get an answer to it. Off topic, refuses to cooperate, cannot be helped. *plonk*
1686[17:07:37] <jelly> (winecfg is a tiny shell script wrapper)
1691[17:08:00] <greycat> (scripts, shell or otherwise, cannot be setuid)
1692[17:08:04] <etr> not unless 40+ years a re kids
1693[17:08:10] <jelly> (... on Linux)
1694[17:08:20] <greycat> (they said they're using MX Linux)
1695[17:08:36] <jelly> ah, that exclude kfreebsd :-)
1696[17:08:42] <martinus__> Hi, can anyone clarify why mongodb isn't available in debian buster (from debian's repository I mean) ? Is it a licence issue or something else ?
1707[17:11:26] <pasiz> how about the sudo that is pointed out
1708[17:12:45] <etr> pasiz, I have created a wine user (including wine group), given ownership of wine executables to those, and trying to permit normal users (in this case by normal user account) to launch wine as user 'wine' (instead of as 'etr' user), so that it will keep it's (program's activities) inside it's own home folder, instead of mine.
1735[17:24:31] <Ede|Popede> etr: took me some time to get used to it, there was su in the past. but not having to transmit the root password over the network and having control who can get root (and other) access without the need to spread the root pw is a good thing
1736[17:24:38] <Ede|Popede> !fhs
1737[17:24:38] <dpkg> Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See replaced-url
1750[17:26:34] <Ede|Popede> etr: not using /usr/bin will keep you out of the minefield. not using $HOME will keep it flexible. usable for multiple users in /home.
1754[17:27:58] <Ede|Popede> though there's also /opt. maybe a good place for wine, since what happens in it is not related to the underlying system anymore. /opt/wine and everything else below it.
1757[17:28:17] <etr> Ede|Popede, apt decides where to put binaries, do you mean I should copy ? either case, what is the point of putting binaries in another shared directory (is it root-only in permissions ?)
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1761[17:28:49] <Ede|Popede> etr: /usr/local is mostly a copy of the structure from / with some directories missing.
1762[17:29:37] <Ede|Popede> etr: exactly. the binary is in ...bin/wine and your own stuff shouldn't go there, including programs you want to install w/o apt.
1767[17:31:01] <etr> ede, you mean having a /usr/local installation of wine so that apt program updates don't replace wine executables (and implicitly reset ownership and permissions) ?
1771[17:32:30] <Ede|Popede> etr: usually there's no need to mess around in aptland. /etc has some .d subdirectories so you don't even have to touch the original configs (too much). and if you need to put your own stuff somewhere (not using apt*), there's $HOME /usr/local /opt. i don't even like placing my web content into /var/replaced-url
1783[17:41:45] <etr> Ede|Popede, you mean prefixes inside /usr/local/somewhere and (with winecfg) map windows Desktop/Documents/Pictures/etc to $HOME/Ditto ?
1790[17:45:56] <Ede|Popede> etr: this would happen anyway if you run it as user 'wine'. no idea though how wine manages its files and what winecfg does. but beware, having such a setup in a multiuser system you would end up with all documents and configs belonging to the same user, thus killing unixlike user separation
1819[18:01:39] <snake-venom> i am trying to install sudo apt install mariadb-server mariadb-client . its stuck all time from 87-90% , please suggestion
1820[18:01:57] <greycat> ctrl-c and do it again, hope you get a more lively mirror
1821[18:03:43] <snake-venom> greycat, i think you are right, in back i have changed the mirror to nearest.. can you suggest which mirror will be best in india ? or near by ?
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1824[18:04:17] <greycat> I cannot. You'll just have to try things and see what works best. You know about deb.debian.org?
1825[18:04:21] <greycat> !deb.debian.org
1826[18:04:21] <dpkg> deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See replaced-url
1828[18:04:34] <greycat> that may be best for some, not-best for others
1829[18:05:40] <greycat> the fact that you got 80%+ of the download on the first try seems to indicate that your mirror selection was OK, and maybe what I initially said (ctrl-c and try again) would have finished it
1830[18:06:26] <snake-venom> :) i stopped it and now its throwing E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock
1940[18:57:07] <NetTerminalGene> so, the lag i experienced with mousepad (xfce's default text editor) will happen on xfce or it is because i use gnome?
1960[19:01:00] <NetTerminalGene> jelly, ahha, it gives me warning
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1962[19:01:26] <NetTerminalGene> Gtk-WARNING **: 21:00:47.135: Theme parsing error: <data>:6:28: The style property GtkWidget:focus-padding is deprecated and shouldn't be used anymore. It will be removed in a future version
2032[19:27:50] <dpkg> MX-18 Linux is based on Debian stretch; MX-19 is based on Debian buster. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at replaced-url
2041[19:32:02] <Ede|Popede> the factoid says "an <Outlook> clone". good reason to abandon it ;)
2042[19:32:54] <greycat> !why debian
2043[19:32:55] <dpkg> Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also replaced-url
2051[19:34:46] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
2052[19:35:09] <Ede|Popede> the problem is only (in answer to the last sentence of the factoid) that often you *have* to ask questions in #debian. "go away with your broken distro version". not sure if it concerns debian only though.
2054[19:36:21] <greycat> according to alis, there are also ##mx-linux (4 users) and #mxlinux (9 users) both of which claim to be the unofficial MX Linux freenode support channel
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2056[19:37:41] <greycat> Ede|Popede: the people who feel they "have to" ask question in #debian even though they're not using Debian were often kicked out or ignored by their distro's channel because they're stupid people, or stupid questions.
2057[19:38:08] <greycat> Not always, but pretty damned often.
2058[19:39:19] <greycat> The overwhelming majority of the *others* are cases where the distro's channel really doesn't know, because the distro's supporters are not very clever, because the distro itself is marketed as not-very-clever people. See ubuntu.
2059[19:39:43] <Ede|Popede> greycat: no, the other way round. asking questions on packages delivered with debian in the particular channel and letting them know (willingly or not) that one's on debian. like the (dis|en)enable(mod|host(?)) scripts are generally considered broken.
2061[19:40:38] <jelly> Ede|Popede: also known as "noone reads README.Debian"
2062[19:40:39] <Ede|Popede> heh yeah. and by far too many distros, really. there should be a good reason to start a new one, not just because of some default packages after base install
2065[19:40:51] <greycat> it is an exceedingly RARE case where a user comes in here with an actual bug in the Debian packaging that their downstream package is based upon
2066[19:41:10] <greycat> usually it's bullshit like "I'm trying to make /usr/bin/winecfg setuid and it doesn't work help me I'm on MX Linux"
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2071[19:43:17] <Ede|Popede> as someone new to linux i'd choose a distribution with good support nowadays. i didn't even have internet when i installed my first slackware and then hamm. 2 CDs, man. the whole distro.
2088[19:46:17] <Ede|Popede> btw, what is the thing with that snoopy calendar from i think 1977? found it in a list of "things a geek must have in his room"
2093[19:48:08] <_Fremen_> I using a Dell laptop with Debian KDE and having problems with HDMI and dual monitors. I searched this and it is pretty common and not solvable in most cases. Is there a good hardware and driver management software for debian I can use?
2164[20:22:18] <darsie> Can you suggest a CPU benchmark with published results so I can compare my system?
2165[20:22:56] <jelly> HeIIo: this isn't really a chat channel, best keep quiet unless you have a Debian tech support question. We have a #debian-offtopic, and there's also ##chat for chat
2181[20:35:11] <aZz7eCh> hi #deb. this might be a silly question so I'll apologise up front ... but, is there any way to stay on buster, but roll back gnome and everything else to the previous version debian had ?
2194[20:40:05] <aZz7eCh> wayland, causing teamviewer and virtualbox issues, is one thing.. as a daily desktop productivity environment, a lof of things have gone to hell ... namely biggest problem is nautilus ... this new version BLOWS and we've not been able to come up with a solution. are workplace uses MILLIONS of serparate files for everything ... we can no longer search our systems using nautilus because it grapples for ANY results isntead of specific results ..
2195[20:40:07] <aZz7eCh> okay so ...
2196[20:40:12] <aZz7eCh> you most answer was No...
2197[20:40:25] <aZz7eCh> so it might be easier for us to no proceed and just roll back to previous version for now?
2198[20:40:31] <greycat> that's certainly an option
2200[20:41:19] <somiaj> note that desktop support in stretch will end soon (I think some browsers have already lost security support).
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2202[20:41:29] <aZz7eCh> lord dont tell me that
2203[20:41:34] <somiaj> I personally would see if just using xorg (which is still an option) fixes all your issues.
2204[20:41:44] <aZz7eCh> it wont fix the new nautilus behaviour
2205[20:41:49] <greycat> stretch should still be fully supported for another few months
2206[20:41:49] <aZz7eCh> and thats the biggggest issue by far
2207[20:42:11] <valdyn> aZz7eCh: what is exactly the issue with nautilus?
2208[20:42:50] <aZz7eCh> valdyn, so as i pointed out ... our systems are filled with endless files, named appropriately. it has always allowed us to simply open nautilus and start typing something for the file we're looking for and bammo you have it in seconds.
2210[20:43:15] <aZz7eCh> under the new nautilus... when we start typing keywords, it pulls out ANY result, relevant or not, in endless unsortable lists of files ...
2211[20:43:31] <valdyn> works fine for me right now
2212[20:43:32] <aZz7eCh> has basically caused a massive stumbling block and slowed us down for months now
2214[20:44:10] <aZz7eCh> half the time we do not have much option and have to manually go searchign for the file
2215[20:46:27] <aZz7eCh> i mean not only is it bringing up file names that might have SOMETHING to do with keyword you're typing, it brings up results who's file contents might involve the keyword(s) ... its definitely completely foriegn to nautilus in strech
2216[20:46:52] <valdyn> aZz7eCh: maybe its using something like tracker
2217[20:47:07] <valdyn> a7250ag: which in turn might index files by content
2218[20:47:17] <valdyn> aZz7eCh: which in turn might index files by content
2254[21:00:00] <dpkg> nemo: (File manager and graphical shell for Cinnamon), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.4.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1154 kB, Installed size: 5585 kB
2255[21:00:15] <ryouma> aZz7eCh: i don't trust gui on linux. some do. but i find that find(1) and so on don't change significantly. so it reduces risk to use the old stuff.
2256[21:00:21] <valdyn> aZz7eCh: maybe that nemo is in buster
2257[21:01:15] <somiaj> aZz7eCh: one thing to maybe check is create a blank user (so it gets a default configuration) and see if the nautilus search feature works there, this can help you debug if it is some setting in your $HOME dir or not.
2258[21:01:47] <valdyn> aZz7eCh: im in sid, so my nautilus has no full text search by default appearantly. I can see some reports that buster nautilus search might be broken by design as you are finding
2259[21:02:02] <ryouma> aZz7eCh: that might not help you though
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2261[21:02:09] <somiaj> ahh so it might be broken, okay I thought someone said it worked for them.
2262[21:02:21] <valdyn> somiaj: yea, in sid it does work fine
2263[21:02:22] <aZz7eCh> valdyn, exactly. after looking at the google reults, many people pulling hair out over exact same stupid change to nautilus
2264[21:03:14] <aZz7eCh> and this is a fresh install i'm on. - I also have fresh install on a usb stick ... and a fresh install on a virtual box. they all have the same new behaviour by default and no way to disable it
2265[21:03:43] <aZz7eCh> that was @ somiaj
2266[21:04:08] <somiaj> ahh okay, was just trying to think of reasons why it could work for someone else but not you, didn't realize they were testing a different version
2269[21:05:19] <greycat> rolling back to stretch until bullseye is released is not the worst possible plan, if this is a true show-stopper bug for your users
2270[21:05:26] <aZz7eCh> so depressing ... the flapping boss is gonna want windows on everything after this :(
2272[21:06:31] <somiaj> If using stretch you might want to grab google-chrome (instead of chromium) and firefox from mozilla (instead of the repos) just to keep up to date on browser seicrutiy issues, otherwise the LTS release should support the rest until bullseye is released.
2273[21:06:47] <aZz7eCh> we're on buster
2274[21:06:50] <aZz7eCh> buster is hte issue
2275[21:06:56] <aZz7eCh> we never had issues on stretch
2288[21:09:06] <jelly> aZz7eCh: maybe try a DE other than Gnome, something that changes and loses features less often?
2289[21:09:09] <somiaj> And then just use your custom version of nautillus with buster.
2290[21:09:11] <greycat> seems to be changed now
2291[21:09:30] <jelly> Mate or Cinnamon are both Gnome 2 clones/forks IIRC
2292[21:09:46] <aZz7eCh> greycat, changed (new verison) but carryign the exact smae behaviour and zero options to stop the new behaviour
2293[21:10:14] <greycat> valdyn said the sid version (which is currently also in bullseye) does not have this issue... maybe it's actually some underlying library that does it, not nautilus itself?
2296[21:10:28] <aZz7eCh> ((jelly appreicate the suggestion but expecing 7 staff to become comfortable in a new destop enviornment after years of gnome ... i dont know...
2297[21:11:20] <somiaj> finding a bug report can help isolate what the issue is (with other people complaing about this, I would expect a bug report in the debian BTS)
2324[21:21:42] <somiaj> aZz7eCh: were you wanting to disable the full text search in the newer nautillus (and only search file names as opposed to file contents)? (trying to make sure I understand the problem)
2327[21:25:13] <aZz7eCh> yep thats pretty much it. its two fold - but thats the first problem with it. first problem is that, it brings up all sorts of files that 'contain' the search word instead of just files, and then to complicate things, the second problem is, once you have your list of files matching, none of it is sortable by name or relevance or date or antyhing ... its just a random long list of files in which you have to scroll through to find the ONLY relevant
2328[21:25:13] <aZz7eCh> result you were looking for ... its a dogs breakfast.
2336[21:27:06] <greycat> oh, no... you *did* change it, just not the part I was looking at
2337[21:27:10] <jelly> changed the factoid, alas
2338[21:27:20] <somiaj> aZz7eCh: hmm, well I did see some mention you might be able to disable the full text search, this way you won't get matches based on content. Unsure about being able to sort the results.
2340[21:27:55] <aZz7eCh> well - the second problem, no longer any ability to sort results, would be less of an issue if i didn't have 2-300 results to trawl through
2347[21:34:52] <neilthereildeil> when i try to uninstall python2 package, it tries to uninstall like half my system, including the hypervisor. why? and how can i prevent this?
2354[21:35:51] <neilthereildeil> my python2 installation got messed up when i upgraded from Debian9->10
2355[21:35:59] <neilthereildeil> im trynna fix python
2356[21:36:03] <neilthereildeil> so am trying to reinstall it
2357[21:36:18] <karlpinc> !doesn't work
2358[21:36:18] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
2359[21:36:21] <jelly> can you put some details in the "messed up"
2360[21:36:26] <greycat> So reinstall it. apt-get --reinstall install python2.7 or whatever the exact pkg name is
2363[21:37:36] <neilthereildeil> ImportError: The 'packaging.requirements' package is required; normally this is bundled with this package so if you get this warning, consult the packager of your distribution.
2364[21:38:30] <neilthereildeil> this describes my problem
2381[21:41:37] <greycat> I'm guessing you *did something* to python before the upgrade, and your customizations conflicted with Debian's expectations... but I do not know python well enough to give any more advice.
2382[21:42:02] <jelly> neilthereildeil: can you show a full python stack trace from a command on your actual system?
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2473[22:31:26] <dpkg> Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-br ) - debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org
2474[22:31:40] <annadane> which reminds me that i need to finish appending mailing lists to those factoids
2475[22:32:25] <Archanjo> como uso o debian pt?
2476[22:32:52] <ryouma> /join #debian-pt
2477[22:33:11] <annadane> deve ser uma opção no instalador?
2478[22:33:43] <Archanjo> só dijito e pronto?
2479[22:33:46] <annadane> you can select your language there...
2480[22:33:49] <Archanjo> digito**
2481[22:34:25] <annadane> one second, let me check
2482[22:35:43] <annadane> quando você inicia o instalador, você tem a opção de instalar em português
2499[22:41:21] <annadane> you can try the channel dpkg linked earlier for portuguese support...
2500[22:41:22] <annadane> !br
2501[22:41:22] <dpkg> Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
2502[22:41:35] <annadane> oh
2503[22:41:36] <annadane> !pt
2504[22:41:37] <dpkg> Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-br ) - debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org
2505[22:41:42] <annadane> same thing really
2506[22:41:50] <annadane> although that one gets you the mailing list address too
2508[22:42:22] <annadane> sinto que não estou sendo muito útil; se você quiser conversar com pessoas individualmente, muitas pessoas não gostam disso, elas preferem se você mantiver as coisas no canal
2509[22:42:56] <Archanjo> ok
2510[22:43:07] <annadane> sua pergunta original já foi respondida; português é uma opção no instalador
2606[23:29:50] <somiaj> Seems they could not fix it before the release, so had to remove the package.
2607[23:30:04] <taserface> nfs question: I remember previously being able to add /exports/foo to /etc/exports and then mount server:/foo on a client and it would DWIM. that isn't working now. anyone know why that might be?
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2617[23:33:22] <dob1> it seems that openbox user autostart gets ignored ....
2618[23:33:23] <taserface> (by "work" I mean, you could mount server:/foo instead of server:/exports/foo. Now I have to mount server:/exports/foo. Which is ugly.)
2641[23:37:08] <somiaj> can you test it without using xrdp?
2642[23:37:49] <somiaj> also don't see it mentioned anywhere, so probably not need, but have you tried +x the script (though my guess is it is sourced and not needed)
2643[23:38:20] <dob1> somiaj, yes. I can't test it now without xrdp
2652[23:40:38] <somiaj> dob1: I saw one form that suggests using . /usr/bin/openbox-xsession (vs exec) this way it just sources that script and doesn't replace the current running script. Though unsure if this has anything to do with your issue, just something I noticed.
2653[23:40:56] <dob1> somiaj, I did this too, but now it's working...
2654[23:41:16] <somiaj> so fixed the issue then?
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2664[23:45:39] <nyov> somiaj, thanks for the bug hint. luckily the testing package builds nicely, though, on 4.19
2665[23:46:17] <nyov> I wonder if they couldn't re-add it in a point release?
2666[23:46:26] <somiaj> that isn't how debian stable works
2667[23:46:53] <somiaj> debian stable is a frozen system that has no rc-bugs at the time of release. And by no, sometimes packages get removed, and sometimes rc bugs are ignored
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2669[23:47:21] <somiaj> point releases only contain security fixes and targeted fixes for rc-bugs (though there are a few execeptions to this, such as webbrowsers)
2672[23:48:19] <somiaj> nyov: though now that the package works in testing and they fixed a bug, it could be added to buster-backports (though might have to bug the matainer or request this)
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2674[23:49:23] <nyov> yeah, that's what I thought. but I believe I seen new packages appearing with point releases, so I wasn't sure