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5 [00:05:29] <HelloShitty> debian paste says I'm spamming
6 [00:05:31] <HelloShitty> :s
7 [00:07:17] <HelloShitty> replaced-url
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13 [00:13:19] <somiaj> what is your unit file? It appears it is trying to set a group, but normal users don't have privlages to run things as arbitary groups
14 [00:14:13] <somiaj> also seems you have an unknown key in the unit file too, most likely you need to fix the unit file (and make sure to do systemctl daemon-reload after edits)
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16 [00:14:35] <HelloShitty> I already fixed the typos I had in the file
17 [00:14:58] <HelloShitty> That StartLimitInterval is in the man pages of systemd.unit 5
18 [00:15:10] <HelloShitty> I don't understand why it doesn't recognizes it
19 [00:16:08] <HelloShitty> I can paste my .service file
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21 [00:17:11] <somiaj> it might be under the right section
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23 [00:18:03] <HelloShitty> somiaj: here -> replaced-url
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26 [00:24:23] <somiaj> did you use to have the user and group mentioned in the unit file (I don't see any mention of group in that link)
27 [00:24:46] <HelloShitty> Only user, I guess.
28 [00:24:56] <HelloShitty> I wouldn't know what to user for group
29 [00:25:04] <somiaj> have you ran systemctl daemon-reload since you edited the file?
30 [00:25:19] <HelloShitty> and about the setting, I think I fixed it. I moved it to [Unit] instead
31 [00:25:20] <somiaj> user unit files shouldn't need that (uses the users user/group info)
32 [00:25:48] <HelloShitty> So, you're saying I don't need the User setting in [Serevice]?
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35 [00:26:26] <somiaj> ahh that could be it, yea remove that setting too, it might see that setting and then is trying to set an empty group, but as a user unit file, neither is needed
36 [00:26:41] <HelloShitty> ok, let me try
37 [00:27:35] <somiaj> also seems you can put user unti files in ~/.config/systemd/user (unsure if this matters much, but putting it there gives your user ability to edit it, vs in /etc)
38 [00:27:43] <HelloShitty> somiaj: it's running
39 [00:27:44] <HelloShitty> heheh
40 [00:28:00] <HelloShitty> well, I tried that but I guess it didn't find the service in that folder
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43 [00:29:04] <HelloShitty> Those 2 folders didn't exist and I created them
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45 [00:29:16] <HelloShitty> and tried first with the file.service in that folder
46 [00:29:24] <HelloShitty> but I can try it now again once it is working
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50 [00:32:16] <somiaj> seems system uses xdg base cofniguration for user dir, do you have any XDG_ variables set?
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54 [00:33:25] <HelloShitty> let me check
55 [00:33:52] <HelloShitty> I have a few
56 [00:33:55] <HelloShitty> but were not set by me
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58 [00:34:30] <somiaj> XDG_CONFIG_HOME and a few other variables are what systemd uses to find user files
59 [00:34:48] <HelloShitty> not that one
60 [00:34:59] <somiaj> they are automatically set in most cases. ~/.config/ is a default location, so ~/.config/systemd/user would be the relative user dir
61 [00:35:07] <somiaj> yea, then ~/.config/systemd/user/ should work
62 [00:35:09] <HelloShitty> and it's working
63 [00:35:20] <HelloShitty> probably it didn't work before ue to errors
64 [00:35:44] <HelloShitty> replaced-url
65 [00:35:56] <somiaj> okay
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69 [00:37:13] <HelloShitty> Now I have to try this for irssi
70 [00:37:17] <HelloShitty> but will o it tomorrow
71 [00:37:25] <HelloShitty> I tried irssi in crontab
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74 [00:38:07] <HelloShitty> but I guess it starts too soon and there's no DNS services active an it says that it couldn't find IPs for the given hosts or something like that
75 [00:38:11] <HelloShitty> it couldn't connect
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78 [00:41:03] <HelloShitty> thank you for the help somiaj
79 [00:41:14] <HelloShitty> You made it happen. :)
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93 [00:58:06] <Gm4n> can I see what packages were installed from stretch-updates (before dist-upgrade to buster)? I want to find any unusual packages left after removing the stretch-updates.
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104 [01:08:36] <serph0ne> guys
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107 [01:10:57] <serph0ne> i know your are debian users
108 [01:10:59] <incal> hello, can I use mplayer with -loop 0 and the volume doesn't reset when the file ends and begins again?
109 [01:11:12] <serph0ne> but i need help with my openssl :S
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111 [01:11:28] <serph0ne> ssh -V
112 [01:11:28] <serph0ne> OpenSSH_7.6p1 Ubuntu-4ubuntu0.3, OpenSSL 1.0.2n 7 Dec 2017
113 [01:11:35] <serph0ne> openssl version
114 [01:11:36] <serph0ne> OpenSSL 1.1.1a 20 Nov 2018
115 [01:11:42] <serph0ne> why is different?
116 [01:11:48] <serph0ne> the version
117 [01:12:39] <serph0ne> how to update OpenSSL 1.0.2n << to equal openssl version
118 [01:12:43] <serph0ne> OpenSSL 1.1.1a
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120 [01:13:55] <ratrace> serph0ne: #ubuntu
121 [01:14:29] <serph0ne> i know but i dont have registre
122 [01:14:35] <serph0ne> in my nick
123 [01:14:38] <ratrace> then register it
124 [01:14:51] <ratrace> replaced-url
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126 [01:15:21] <serph0ne> ratrace but openssh/openssl is equal
127 [01:15:29] <serph0ne> any linux
128 [01:15:30] <serph0ne> O.o
129 [01:15:49] <serph0ne> just nedd
130 [01:15:59] <ratrace> !ubuntu
131 [01:15:59] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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135 [01:16:23] <serph0ne> I just need to know why different versions appear
136 [01:16:41] <ratrace> they aren't on debian, so...
137 [01:16:54] <ratrace> perhaps consider installing debian instead.
138 [01:18:21] <ratrace> serph0ne: and also, newer ubuntus have openssl 1.1.1 too, bionic and newer, so use taht if you don't want debian.
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142 [01:20:37] <brutser> hi, when i create myapp.desktop file and try to run it from desktop, it ask to "Execute File" whether i want to execute it, execute in terminal etc. how can i make sure it executes without asking this?
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148 [01:23:28] <ratrace> brutser: it's been a while since I used a full desktop, but iirc .desktop files need to have +x chmod on them, and it's possible your DE of choice is interjecting for security reasons.
149 [01:23:52] <brutser> yea i kind of found the answer already, so ignore
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151 [01:24:22] <ratrace> wow thanks for letting us know so we don't waste time.
152 [01:25:19] <serph0ne> ratrace
153 [01:25:28] <ratrace> serph0ne
154 [01:25:31] <serph0ne> but dont work
155 [01:25:33] <serph0ne> checking OpenSSL header version... 1010101f (OpenSSL 1.1.1a 20 Nov 2018)
156 [01:25:33] <serph0ne> checking OpenSSL library version... configure: error: OpenSSL >= 1.1.0 is not yet supported (have "1010101f (OpenSSL 1.1.1a 20 Nov 2018)")
157 [01:25:40] <serph0ne> O.o
158 [01:25:52] <ratrace> serph0ne: you'll really have to ask ubuntu people.
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160 [01:26:31] <ratrace> serph0ne: fwiw, openssh uses libss and you need the one openssh is built against. otherwise you'll have to recompile it.
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162 [01:26:35] <ratrace> *libssl
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167 [01:36:33] <somiaj> ratrace: since when, I have never seen the need for +x on .desktop files
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171 [01:37:36] <ratrace> somiaj: it's been a while
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175 [01:39:40] <ratrace> somiaj: found this: replaced-url
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177 [01:40:21] <ratrace> at any rate, putting a .desktop file in one of the expected places for the launcher would make the launcher pick it up automatically and placed in the applications menu.
178 [01:40:37] <ratrace> could be wrong, but I seem to recall that nonstandard places then needed an +x
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180 [01:40:49] <somiaj> ahh seems to be gnome/kde specific, maybe why I haven't seen it. I only rarely use them to generate menus using xdg
181 [01:41:27] <somiaj> that link you shared seems to suggest it is an added layer of security to make it so +x is required to execute a file (otherwise .desktop files kinda get around this)
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183 [01:42:13] <ratrace> yea
184 [01:43:21] <somiaj> yea, I never considered just being able to execute a .desktop file directly, to me they were just to create menus
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224 [02:17:51] <ross`> Does anyone know how to fix locale issues with vncserver / client on debian?
225 [02:18:07] <ross`> Typing on the keyboard sends completely different characters
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230 [02:25:09] <nvz> I somehow doubt that
231 [02:25:48] <nvz> it probably sends keysyms or keycodes and those are interpreted by the server's OS which sends the characters
232 [02:26:06] <nvz> I highly doubt it sends characters at all, much less the wrong ones
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235 [02:27:51] <nvz> if its linux on both sides you can type locale into the local and remote terminal and compare the output
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242 [02:32:35] <ross`> It's debian on both sides.
243 [02:32:41] <ross`> same locale
244 [02:32:43] <ross`> It's really weird.
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249 [02:38:02] <nvz> ross`: debian what? stretch? what environment are you using? can you give a SPECIFIC example of what you do and what happens?
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252 [02:40:28] <nvz> its hard to help with an issue when all you've told us is what I'm pretty sure is an inaccurate assessment of what's actually happening and what the issue is
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254 [02:40:40] <ross`> debian 10
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256 [02:40:49] <ross`> and default vncserver / vncclient
257 [02:41:05] <ross`> It's a very common issue apparently for debian / ubuntun
258 [02:41:45] <nvz> I'm on Sid right now in MATE ssh/mosh into a Buster server using screen/bash/irssi.. when I press these keys, they do what I expect.. same as they do locally, they do remotely
259 [02:42:13] <nvz> and I've not used VNC extensively, cause it kinda sucks for most things.. but I've never seen such an issue
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264 [02:43:15] <Mildrid> YYo
265 [02:44:05] <Mildrid> Anyone mind helping me with something?
266 [02:44:08] <nvz> only think I liked much about vnc is that you can install and run x clients without an xserver cause it provides one.. far less bloat than xorg or such
267 [02:44:21] <nvz> Mildrid: thats what we do here, but you have to ask your actual question and it has to be on topic
268 [02:44:40] <dvs> !anyone
269 [02:44:40] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
270 [02:44:56] <Mildrid> Cool, thanks. So im having an issue with Kali 2020.1
271 [02:45:08] <dvs> !kali
272 [02:45:08] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
273 [02:45:11] <nvz> that is NOT on topic here, this is #debian not #kali
274 [02:45:18] <Mildrid> I am trying to run a tool that reqright, sorry
275 [02:45:21] <Mildrid> ill go there
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296 [03:07:30] * cheapie sits around waiting for this Debian live HD DVD to finish burning
297 [03:07:44] <cheapie> (shush, I already had the HD DVD-RW drive plugged in :P)
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305 [03:20:40] <dvs> ancient!
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308 [03:21:59] <nvz> ancient? thats all you got.. they said _HD_
309 [03:22:12] <nvz> may as well have said laser or mini disc or something
310 [03:22:22] <nvz> 8" floppies
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400 [05:07:31] <velix> Is really hate system. Anyone with an idea, what this means? "This usually indicates unclean termination of a previous run, or service implementation deficiencies.". It links to a non existing (old?) service: /system.slice/pgbouncer.service -> /usr/local/bin/pgbouncer
401 [05:07:40] <velix> There's no way to remove the service.
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405 [05:12:27] <OS-66780> !alpha
406 [05:12:27] <dpkg> WANTED: loving home for CPU architecture. Alpha is housebroken, and has had all its shots. Friendly, affectionate and energetic! Contact DEC (oops, Compaq! (oops, HP! (oops, the morgue))) for details. replaced-url
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551 [07:49:26] <jim> the package fluid-soundfont-gm has bass sounds that have certain notes that are out of tune
552 [07:49:53] <jim> anyone know of a better gm soundfont?
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575 [08:20:49] <vicky30> hello everyone
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582 [08:24:55] <jelly> jim: maybe google WeedsGM3 ?
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584 [08:25:32] <jelly> fluidR3 is a-ok to my untrained ear
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586 [08:26:27] <jelly> jim: do you have a midi file where the issue is apparent (and what are you renderding/playing it with)?
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588 [08:28:02] <jim> jelly, yeah, it's part of an ardour5 session
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594 [08:29:33] <jim> I'm using two bass notes in it, just the roots of two chords
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596 [08:30:14] <jim> one of the bass notes is ok, the other one is off by pretty close to a quarter tone
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714 [09:48:52] <XsiSec> Hi folks flavour debian buster, unfortunately a lots of drivers is missing so I wonder if its possible to transfer the working drivers from ubuntu towards my existing debian setup I am running kernel 4.19
715 [09:48:57] <gry> installed cgit, SCAN_PATH env var is not set. where is it scanning, then?
716 [09:49:57] <jm_> XsiSec: example of a missing driver
717 [09:50:06] <gry> annoyingly, /usr/share/doc/cgit/ only has copyriht and changelog, no other docs
718 [09:50:20] <gry> and 'man cgit' is not defined....
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720 [09:51:17] <binaryhermit> XsiSec: I'm guessing almost certainly not, drivers pretty much have to be recompiled for every new kernel? (someone correct me if I'm wrong)
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722 [09:51:36] <binaryhermit> I suspect you're likely missing some sort of firmware or something, what's broken
723 [09:53:30] <XsiSec> I am missing for instance a working driver for usbc
724 [09:53:57] <XsiSec> I found following source --> replaced-url
725 [09:54:05] <XsiSec> I think that solves one of my issues
726 [09:54:17] <XsiSec> but also the nvidia driver for Mobile P1000 is not working as well
727 [09:55:18] <jm_> gry: man cgitrc says default scan-path is none
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768 [10:21:03] <mr_ab> So uh, is there no official e-mail based newsgroups - like mailman style - for debian? just usenet groups?
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772 [10:21:59] <JackFrost> Have you see the index at replaced-url
773 [10:22:04] <mr_ab> I actually have an account at some newsgroup provider. I signed up a few weeks ago just to see if anyone still used usenet hehe.
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775 [10:22:14] <mr_ab> Weird, .. sorry, - wasn't coming up when googling. Apparently my google fu is terrible.
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778 [10:22:45] <JackFrost> There's also alioth-lists as well.
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782 [10:24:19] <mr_ab> Oh duh. Apparently newsgroups are just on my brain or something. I meant to type debian-users mailing list and I typed newsgroup. No wonder I was only getting newsgroup realted stuff.
783 [10:24:39] <mr_ab> My fault. Sorry & thanks.
784 [10:24:47] <jm_> that's what confused me and didn't point at replaced-url
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790 [10:28:27] <mr_ab> Well, I'll go ahead and ask a condensed version here just before I write a longer version. I'm just curious, .. What is the policy that prevents something like "older java" being included into debian repositories? ... I just am quite honestly at a little contention with debian right now as maintaining such a massive list of third party repos is becoming a bit of a chore
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792 [10:29:41] <mr_ab> I just reinstalled from 10.3 just for no reason other than to get a fresh start on things. On my previous system I had 20 something third party repos
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796 [10:32:10] <mr_ab> I understand a lot of them aren't and will never be included because they aren't the the debian-definition of "free" which is understandable if not commendable. But, something like FreeIPA, ssmtp, etc missing from buster is a major pain.
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798 [10:33:22] <jm_> ssmtp is missing because of a bug, #662960
799 [10:33:23] <judd> Bug replaced-url
800 [10:33:25] <mr_ab> I mean no disrespect, either. Very likely something I've never considered. and ssmtp was excluded from buster was from an extremely serious bug.. so again there are reasons
801 [10:34:08] <mr_ab> yeah I'm familiar sorry =) ... FreeIPA is missing because it's not compatible version with X version of java which isn't included in debian. Forget what "X" is but that is what i was told a while ago anyway
802 [10:34:11] <themill> mr_ab: if you've got a thing for particular packages, then installing how-can-i-help is a good idea
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804 [10:34:53] <mr_ab> Wait, is that bug still open?
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807 [10:36:00] <themill> mr_ab: yes, ssmtp seems to be abandoned by its developers; msmtp seems to be what people have been using for a while now
808 [10:36:40] <mr_ab> I'll check it out. I actually just switched to opensmtpd .. and yeah, ssmtp is a mess. I've looked at the code
809 [10:38:21] <mr_ab> I guess my question is really this, sorry: why is it once a release is cut, it's so set in stone? .. I understand the complexity it would be to start jumping major releases of stuff in a debian release.. but minor version updates and such, they always go in backports, no?
810 [10:38:59] <jm_> no, only a very limited set of packages show up in backports and even then it can be major version
811 [10:40:28] <themill> There's enough software that makes incompatible changes between minor versions that you absolutely do not want new versions hitting a stable release. Ask people who used redhat in the 1990s how much fun reconfiguring apache was every time a new security update landed.
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814 [10:41:20] <mr_ab> I mean, that's a fair reason, too. I guess in my head everyone is actually going by semver. Which obviously is almost laughable ...
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816 [10:42:20] <themill> A very small number of packages do get updated in stable releases: browsers, mariadb, java, postgresql. They are either upstreams that can be trusted to be nice to users, or upstreams that cannot be trusted to even vaguely deal with security updates in code that was released more than 5 minutes ago
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819 [10:45:40] <mr_ab> oh my... that's frankly awful. again, I'm not considering crazy upstreams for major software like that but, yeah it also doesn't suprise me.
820 [10:46:00] <mr_ab> I really hope none in the latter category are in your list
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823 [10:46:32] <themill> of that list, postgresql is the only one that is there because it is trusted
824 [10:46:42] <jelly> 3-4 of those listed belong to th latter
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826 [10:47:02] <jelly> mozilla's esr only break everything every 10 months!
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828 [10:47:29] <jelly> ,v thunderbird
829 [10:47:30] <judd> Package: thunderbird on amd64 -- jessie: 1:52.8.0-1~deb8u1; stretch: 1:68.4.1-1~deb9u1; buster: 1:68.4.1-1~deb10u1; jessie-security: 1:68.5.0-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:68.5.0-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1:68.5.0-1~deb9u1; buster-security: 1:68.5.0-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 1:68.5.0-1+b1; sid: 1:68.5.0-1+b1
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832 [10:47:43] <mr_ab> Really? MariaDB? ... I know postgres is superior in many ways but I'm pretty reliant on mariadb right now. Frankly, now that you mention it I don't know a thing about the dev team there. Probably just stretched, but man that worries me.
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835 [10:49:20] <jelly> mr_ab: I don't know much about mariadb but I suspect they probably take oracle's "upstream" security patches for mysql thrown over the wall and merge them back into their tree when that happens
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837 [10:49:55] <mr_ab> Regardless, ... I'll dig around some more. I've just been curious about a lot of debian'ness here as of late. I've used it for half a decade but I really don't know much about it,...eg never read the full policy doc.. other than "it works pretty darn well"
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840 [10:50:27] <jelly> "despite everything"
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846 [10:52:55] <mr_ab> thanks a ton, by the way. seriously =)
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869 [11:05:27] <coronel> Hi guy. which channel can get some help for linux debian network tunning? My case is ...I have a gateway with very good hardware..migrated from freebsd to Linux Debian.
870 [11:06:01] <coronel> It was 5gb traffic before... with freebsd...and now.. no more then 1.2gb with debian... the firewall and nat does the same...
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886 [11:10:52] <ksk> !problem
887 [11:10:52] <dpkg> from memory, problem is something that can be solved, fixed or worked around if properly described. A good thorough description of the problem, with detailed steps of how to reproduce the problem, the produced output, and the expected output, is the best start to discuss a problem.
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889 [11:12:41] <Haohmaru> problem: the sun is dying
890 [11:13:23] <Haohmaru> or, technicaly, it's running out of fuel
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893 [11:16:43] <Haohmaru> <nobody_cares.jpg>
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946 [11:57:28] <brutser> got some qemu-kvm question: i want the host os (debian) to be not connected to net (security reasons), unless updating - and the guest os (debian,windows) connected to net - what would be the ideal networking setup for kvm with this in mind? currently i am using macvtap (VEPA) on the connected vm's, but not sure if that's the best way?
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955 [12:10:51] <inch> brutser: If you have iommu, you can give the network card to virtual machine with vfio. This way the host os doesn't run driver or the the network card at all. (Or actually it does, but the driver will be vfio and not anything that creates a network interface)
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958 [12:12:55] <inch> s/or/of/
959 [12:13:36] <brutser> inch: yes, except if i would want different vm's to have different net connections at the same time, that will not work, so i need some kind of virtualized bridged networking
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961 [12:14:25] <brutser> at least, that is my thought
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965 [12:19:12] <inch> You could create a bridge on the host and connect vms there and still keep actual network card in a single vm. The network vm could route or bridge traffic to others.
966 [12:19:16] <inch> But that might not help much.
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968 [12:20:24] <inch> The host could just run the network card and bridge the vms there and not have any ip address set to the bridge for itself.
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976 [12:24:43] <brutser> inch: ok and that would be better than using macvtap, i just wonder in what circumstances you would use macvtap
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985 [12:29:08] <inch> I haven't used macvtap before, perhaps I should :-)
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1005 [12:42:44] <quarterback> I have a weird problem that the hdd switches off and restarts while debian is running sometimes. It can be at booting or while in file explorer. Is a faulty power supply or supply voltage fluctuation or high ambient temperature the cause of power off and powen on off hdd while its already on?
1006 [12:43:05] <quarterback> smartctl long test on the hdd shows no errors.
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1010 [12:44:52] <quarterback> I narrowed down the error to three things - 1. high temperature/humidity 2. Faulty power supply or power fluctuations or sata cables or sata power cable 3. Faulty motherboard.
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1012 [12:46:26] <Haohmaru> i wonder if it could help if you boot some debian live USB stick, and let it sit there.. would it catch the HDD going out, and would you find enough clues that way?
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1016 [12:47:13] <gry> Jm
1017 [12:47:16] <quarterback> Yes, I will create a live usb and see if hdd is accessible for 10 hours with the live cd
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1022 [12:48:23] <quarterback> This type of error occurs not everyday but once a week or month.
1023 [12:48:37] <Haohmaru> nasty
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1026 [12:49:48] <quarterback> Sometimes the computer doesnt crash for two days. So. I'm guessing its not a motherboard or sata cables or sata power supply error. It could be a error with the electrical company which causes the smps to not function correctly.
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1029 [12:51:47] <jm_> quarterback: it could be power supply yes, my brother had weird HDD issues at work and got a new drive only for the problems to continue at which point we also tried a different PSU and it helped
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1031 [12:52:24] <quarterback> jm_, I think the error is with the PSU or with the power company which supplies electricity.
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1034 [12:55:45] <quarterback> How much cooling is required for the hdd? Is having just one smps and one system fan at 2400 RPM enough?
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1042 [13:00:38] <quarterback> I guess I would think somebody who makes a good power supply is just great but I guess people here are crappy and they make sloppy power supplies.
1043 [13:00:43] <ratrace> quarterback: depends. you should monitory your cpu, chassis and hdd temperature. ideally hdd should not be warmer than 50-ish °C
1044 [13:01:13] <quarterback> ratrace, hdd temp is around 38 to 40C. Not more than that 99% of the time.
1045 [13:01:54] <quarterback> The Hdd is vibrating though and making some harmonic type noise.
1046 [13:02:41] <ratrace> quarterback: they all are, and question is how much. can you pastebin smartctl -A for that disk?
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1049 [13:04:13] <Haohmaru> different computers with different PSUs, sometimes, on a short power surge (lights go down for fractions of a second) some of the PCs keep running, others restart
1050 [13:04:49] <Haohmaru> u know, some sh*t has bigger caps and/or lower consumption
1051 [13:04:56] <quarterback> ratrace, replaced-url
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1053 [13:05:28] <quarterback> Haohmaru, I have a amd machine which doesn't have the same problem
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1055 [13:05:48] <Haohmaru> it could happen to have bigger caps
1056 [13:05:49] <Haohmaru> ;P~
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1060 [13:06:16] <ratrace> quarterback: according to those attributes, that disk is dead. expired. bereft of life. it's an ex disk.
1061 [13:06:25] <quarterback> The hdd on amd machine is a 1 TB hdd from WD.
1062 [13:06:44] <ratrace> 001 normalized value for uncorrectible and pending sectors
1063 [13:06:49] <quarterback> ratrace, Seems so
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1069 [13:08:45] <ratrace> quarterback: also seems quite old. ~5 years ov uptime but assuming that's not a server, it's way older, amirite?
1070 [13:09:09] <quarterback> ratrace, I already talked about it. Somebody sold me a 5 year old drive as a new drive
1071 [13:09:18] <quarterback> for $10
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1074 [13:10:04] <ratrace> quarterback: oh, you just bought it?
1075 [13:10:05] <Haohmaru> was it sealed in some fancy bag or?
1076 [13:10:13] <mindlessmiss> i sometimes secretly like it when a HDD dies around here
1077 [13:10:23] <mindlessmiss> new magnet to play with
1078 [13:10:29] <Haohmaru> pervert
1079 [13:10:29] <quarterback> ratrace, I bought it a year ago. It came with a desktop
1080 [13:10:35] <ratrace> mindlessmiss: also: shurikens :)
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1082 [13:11:01] <mindlessmiss> you mean coasters
1083 [13:11:03] <ratrace> quarterback: it's probably way older than 5 years. it has 5 years uptime, but if it wasn't run 24 hours, then it's older.
1084 [13:11:13] <ratrace> mindlessmiss: no, shurikens. cut the platters into stars, instaweapon.
1085 [13:11:20] <mindlessmiss> or emergency mirrors for tweezing your eyebrows
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1087 [13:12:04] <Haohmaru> "emergency"
1088 [13:12:19] <mindlessmiss> i like to get bits off old bycycles for those like the sprocket thingy
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1090 [13:12:31] <ratrace> quarterback: which model is that? smartctl -i
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1092 [13:12:41] <Haohmaru> stop teh planet, i got a desoriented eyebrow hair
1093 [13:12:49] <mindlessmiss> great shirukens
1094 [13:13:31] <quarterback> ratrace, replaced-url
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1096 [13:14:32] <ratrace> quarterback: sounds like a 10 year old seagate. it's dun goof'd. just get a new drive.
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1099 [13:19:26] <mindlessmiss> almost missed that remark. stoopid monobrow interfering with my vision again
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1106 [13:22:06] <quarterback> ratrace, It would be nice if they had device manufacturing date in smartctl attributes of a hdd.
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1110 [13:27:39] <ratrace> quarterback: maybe it's written on the label
1111 [13:27:59] <jelly> quarterback: the device does not typically know that or it's hidden in vendor-specific attributes. You can get Powered-on Hours.
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1114 [13:28:33] <jelly> quarterback: sometimes hdsentinel can tell a little bit more info than smartctl, it interprets some things better
1115 [13:28:41] <jelly> !hdsentinel
1116 [13:28:42] <dpkg> A gratis but closed source <SMART> client with slightly more user-friendly output than <smartctl> and ability to read more USB devices than smartctl. Binaries for x86 and ARM at replaced-url
1117 [13:30:06] <jelly> there's usually a mfg date on printed label in YYWW format (year, week of year)
1118 [13:30:24] <jelly> so 1205 is February 2012
1119 [13:30:26] <mindlessmiss> looking up the serial number nmight help narrow it down
1120 [13:30:58] <jelly> some vendors have online warranty checks where you can provide serial
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1123 [13:32:42] <mindlessmiss> oldest ones have the bestest magnets
1124 [13:32:52] <quarterback> jelly, Thanks
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1194 [14:12:47] <mindlessmiss> new install of debian and I can't log in as root it says invalid password even though I pretty certain I'm entering it correctly
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1196 [14:14:04] <mindlessmiss> and i couldnt sudo from my user account idk
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1198 [14:14:22] <diogenes_> mindlessmiss, cheks caps and language.
1199 [14:14:27] <diogenes_> check*
1200 [14:14:54] <mindlessmiss> i did check over and over.. whats this business about an ac needs t5o be added to sudoers or something
1201 [14:15:27] <mindlessmiss> how does one add a username to sudoers with su or root
1202 [14:15:43] <mindlessmiss> without*
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1207 [14:17:36] <mindlessmiss> my user acc logs in but can't sudo,
1208 [14:17:56] <Johann> default debian install don't give sudo to your user, but it makes you create a root password
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1210 [14:18:06] <Johann> so you should have chosen a root password during the install
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1212 [14:18:28] <mindlessmiss> well i can't su either, or log in as root
1213 [14:18:51] <mindlessmiss> how do i add myself to sudo powers
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1215 [14:19:05] <joepublic> heh you need to first be root
1216 [14:19:24] <veikko> reboot with grub parameter init=/bin/bash
1217 [14:19:39] <veikko> mount -o remount,rw /
1218 [14:19:41] <veikko> passwd
1219 [14:20:12] <ratrace> %s/grub parameter/kernel command line edited via grub/
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1223 [14:21:32] <thctlo> google "restore root password debian" top hits all work.
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1225 [14:22:00] <jelly> !ifrp
1226 [14:22:01] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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1230 [14:23:02] <jelly> mindlessmiss: does your normal user belong to group sudo?
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1232 [14:23:56] <mindlessmiss> no i dont think so, it's a fresh install and im not too clevar
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1234 [14:24:37] <joepublic> that dpkg fellow is so knowledgeable
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1290 [15:10:00] <vlt> Hello. Does anyone know if a Debian live USB will boot on a (recent) Mac?
1291 [15:10:01] <jim> hi, I'm getting a message on boot, that says: firmware bug: TSC_DEADLINE: please update microcode to 0x22 or later... what is this message? (I may have paraphrased, don't remember the precise wording)
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1293 [15:10:40] <bhagwan> hello All
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1295 [15:11:13] <jim> vlt, try a netinstall image... under half gig usually, you can see if it boots at least... if it does, the live one should
1296 [15:11:13] <karlpinc> jim: The best thing to do is probably google the exact message. What version of debian?
1297 [15:11:18] <ratrace> jim: probably needs bios update. does it block boot, or is just logging that error?
1298 [15:11:25] <jim> stable
1299 [15:11:33] <ksk> jim: there is a package called "$vendor-microcode" you should install I suppose.
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1301 [15:11:47] <ksk> ,info intel-microcode
1302 [15:11:48] <judd> Package intel-microcode (non-free/admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Processor microcode firmware for Intel CPUs. Version: 3.20191115.2~deb10u1; Size: 2370.6k; Installed: 2958k; Homepage: replaced-url
1303 [15:12:00] <ratrace> that or bios update, yes.
1304 [15:12:02] <ksk> same with "amd64-microcode".
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1306 [15:12:17] <jim> what could be the values of $vendor? the laptop is an hp with an i7
1307 [15:12:29] <ksk> intel then :)
1308 [15:12:43] <jim> intel-microcode?
1309 [15:13:20] <jim> so yes... thanks :)
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1315 [15:17:13] <vlt> jim: That was exactly the nature of my question :-D Will a live or netinstall image run?
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1317 [15:18:28] <jelly> !tias
1318 [15:18:28] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
1319 [15:19:23] <jelly> or send a (recent) Mac over here and I can try it out!
1320 [15:19:37] <ratrace> no return guarantees? =)
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1323 [15:21:36] <mtcdood> Does anyone have an actual link to the AWS account that publishes Buster images? The wiki provides a numeric account ID which is basically useless
1324 [15:22:03] <joepublic> does anyone? almost certainly
1325 [15:22:15] <mtcdood> go ahead and fuck yourself, pedant
1326 [15:22:31] <joepublic> acknowledged.
1327 [15:22:32] <mtcdood> everyone, including you, knew exactly what the request was
1328 [15:22:51] <mtcdood> I'll just leave and come back in a few hours since you've prevented anyone from actually providing assistance
1329 [15:22:57] <joepublic> don't mean to make you have a bad day.
1330 [15:23:04] <mtcdood> yes, you really did
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1332 [15:23:21] <mtcdood> congrats, you succeeded. people see comments like yours and like a cancer decide to adopt the same attitude
1333 [15:23:27] <mtcdood> think before you act next time.
1334 [15:23:36] <joepublic> my apologies. that wasn't my intention.
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1336 [15:23:54] <joepublic> I encourage anyone who can help to do so.
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1339 [15:28:22] <thctlo> mtcdood : replaced-url
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1342 [15:28:32] <mtcdood> those are not actual links
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1344 [15:28:57] <mtcdood> I'd have to go use the AWS API to install any of those, which I don't always have available
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1354 [15:35:49] <zatumil> why does debian adopt aws attitude?
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1367 [15:42:17] <jelly> zatumil: what is aws attitude?
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1370 [15:43:33] <Wulf> Hello. I need to keep several remote machines (stretch) up2date. They can't access any remote http/ftp servers, but I can upload files and execute commands through ssh/ansible. Is there any good solution or do I have to invent something?
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1374 [15:45:30] <jelly> Wulf: can you tunnel http access through ssh?
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1377 [15:45:38] <zatumil> probably anything that is linked to aws
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1380 [15:46:07] <jelly> zatumil: what do you mean, in context of debian and tech support?
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1382 [15:46:31] <jelly> I do not understand what the question is about.
1383 [15:46:39] <Wulf> jelly: in theory yes, but really want to avoid that.
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1385 [15:47:16] <jelly> Wulf: it is going to be less consuming than making a separate mirror on each server
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1388 [15:48:23] <jelly> if you need to patch up servers. provide access to (copies of) standard distro repos. They can be in local directories. They can be a mirror accessible only on nonroutable network.
1389 [15:48:54] <Wulf> jelly: bandwith is limited, but I've got multicast available
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1488 [17:05:47] <Sinother_83> hello allç
1489 [17:06:22] <Sinother_83> please someone can said me how is the code to other can create files in a directory?
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1491 [17:06:34] <greycat> !permissions
1492 [17:06:35] <dpkg> For information on permissions, read «info coreutils 'File Permissions'», replaced-url
1493 [17:07:01] * ratrace compliments greycat's linguistic parser
1494 [17:07:12] <greycat> It's just a first guess.
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1500 [17:10:07] <dingurt> Good morning all. Have an interesting situation. I have a home router, that was originally running Arch. Moved back to Debian because reasons. It seems like I am experiencing packet loss in the network with Debian that I wasn't with Arch. Are there any obvious kernel config options that should be tweaked for better performance? Specifically with streaming (Netflix, etc)
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1502 [17:11:48] <annadane> Sinother_83, creating files in a directory is 'touch'
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1504 [17:12:32] <greycat> I think the key word was "other", which points me toward permissions.
1505 [17:12:54] <greycat> also,
1506 [17:12:55] <greycat> !es
1507 [17:12:57] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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1513 [17:15:42] <jim> Sinother_83, he's saying. "other" must have write permission in the dir where you want to create the files
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1515 [17:16:34] <greycat> I don't know of any non-English references for learning permissions, unfortunately.
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1527 [17:21:16] <kilian1> hello
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1529 [17:22:00] <kilian1> I like potato
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1532 [17:22:44] <jelly> who doesn't Billy, who doesn't
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1538 [17:26:13] <Haohmaru> <potato_parents_screaming_in_horror.jpg>
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1547 [17:32:39] <TandyUK> hey, just had a client fail a PCI-DSS scan, because of CVE-2019-16905
1548 [17:33:05] <TandyUK> replaced-url
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1552 [17:34:23] <greycat> replaced-url
1553 [17:34:37] <greycat> so the obvious question is... did the Debian package enable this key type?
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1556 [17:35:23] <jelly> why is the buster build not tagged <not-affected> then
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1558 [17:35:52] <greycat> I don't see xmss in the output of "ssh -Q key" which is apparently the query for all known key types
1559 [17:35:57] <jelly> Debian _only_ has portable OpenSSH
1560 [17:36:14] <TandyUK> yeah that was my question. if we can confirm "it is not compiled with an experimental key typ" and give some proof, should be able to shoot it down as false positive
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1564 [17:38:32] <brutser> what can i do about this error, i have the host NIC not enabled for security reasons, it seems SPICE/VNC need some local IP address, is that what's causing this? >> Unable to complete install: 'internal error: qemu unexpectedly closed the monitor (process:21395): Spice-WARNING **:17:33:36.205: reds.c:
1565 [17:38:33] <brutser> 2611:reds_init_socket:getaddrinfo(127.0.0.1,5900): Address family for hostname not supported 2020-03-02T16:33:36.206016Z qemu-system-x86_64: failed to initialize spice server'
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1575 [17:46:44] <jelly> brutser: is lo (loopback interface) up?
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1577 [17:47:24] <jelly> brutser: and does it have its ipv4 address, can you ping 127.0.0.1?
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1580 [17:47:59] <brutser> jelly: yes, though it says state UNKNOWN
1581 [17:48:04] <brutser> and i can ping 127.0.0.1
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1583 [17:48:30] <jelly> brutser: also can you resolve "localhost"?
1584 [17:48:59] <greycat> I get "state UNKNOWN" in "ip addr" on a regular system, so I think that's ignoreable.
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1586 [17:49:06] <brutser> ping localhost >> 64 bytes from locatlhost (::1)) icmp_....
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1588 [17:49:17] <brutser> small typo there ^
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1590 [17:49:44] <jelly> brutser: do you have an ipv4 entry for localhost in /etc/hosts ?
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1592 [17:49:48] <brutser> greycat: yea
1593 [17:50:30] <brutser> jelly: yes 127.0.0.1 localhost and 127.0.1.1 hostname
1594 [17:50:52] <jelly> okay, so that's sane
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1596 [17:51:19] <brutser> interfaces show: auto lo
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1598 [17:51:26] <brutser> iface lo inet loopback
1599 [17:51:40] <brutser> and that's it, i disabled the eth0
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1601 [17:51:55] <jelly> sounds like
1602 [17:52:05] <jelly> judd: bug 910857
1603 [17:52:06] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1605 [17:52:49] <jelly> Subject: Race condition when rapidly starting many KVMs: binding socket to 127.0.0.1:5900 failed
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1608 [17:53:25] <brutser> jelly: ok, but this is a minimal system with only the network vm started and nothing else
1609 [17:53:35] <brutser> i am just trying to install a guest vm
1610 [17:53:45] <brutser> and when begin installation, i get the error
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1612 [17:54:04] <jelly> the linked replaced-url
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1614 [17:54:19] <jelly> > getaddrinfo for 127.0.0.1 (and I assume all IPv4 and IPv6 numeric address)
1615 [17:54:19] <jelly> will return EAI_NONAME if there are no connected network interfaces other
1616 [17:54:19] <jelly> than loopback.
1617 [17:54:57] <jelly> bring up a dummy interface, see if that helps
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1619 [17:55:51] <jelly> modprobe dummy numdummies=1
1620 [17:56:11] <brutser> jelly: well the idea is to protect the host by not allowing connection to net, only when updating the host - and give net access only to vm's - like Qubes os does basically - how would you suggest i configure this the right way?
1621 [17:56:34] <jelly> the "right way" would be to fix the bug in the underlying code
1622 [17:57:09] <jelly> anything else is a workaround
1623 [17:58:06] <brutser> yes true, though it's surprising that this exist since 2011 or earlier - maybe i just have my network setup the wrong way?
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1625 [17:58:27] <brutser> maybe disabling the eth0 is not really the "right way" to prevent the host net access
1626 [17:58:41] <jelly> maybe it's unusual to have VMs spun up on a system that only has lo configured and nothing else
1627 [17:58:48] <jelly> so not many people complained
1628 [17:58:53] <brutser> yea
1629 [17:59:39] <brutser> i could enable eth0 and assign it some dummy ip that's not able to reach the switch?
1630 [17:59:40] <jelly> does the workaround with a dummy iface work?
1631 [17:59:43] <brutser> no
1632 [17:59:46] <brutser> unfortunately not
1633 [17:59:57] <jelly> and you tried it while we were talking?
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1635 [18:00:23] <brutser> modprobe dummy numdummies=1 <
1636 [18:00:25] <brutser> i tried that
1637 [18:00:38] <jelly> that does not bring the iface up, it only creates it
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1639 [18:01:11] <jelly> look at "ip a" output, at least bring the link up, and see if that makes a difference
1640 [18:01:20] <brutser> ah yes, it's DOWN now
1641 [18:02:10] <brutser> can i use ifup?
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1644 [18:02:22] <greycat> ifup reads /etc/network/interfaces
1645 [18:02:33] <jelly> ifup only works when there's configuration in... there ^
1646 [18:02:42] <brutser> ok
1647 [18:02:45] <jelly> use the low level tool, ip
1648 [18:03:14] <jelly> ip link help
1649 [18:03:22] <jelly> (I never remember the syntax)
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1651 [18:04:02] <jelly> also, man ip-link
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1654 [18:04:26] <brutser> yes i got that done
1655 [18:05:20] <brutser> still the same error appears
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1657 [18:05:39] <brutser> a reboot will fix it, i have tried that before
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1659 [18:05:49] <brutser> well not fix it
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1661 [18:06:02] <brutser> it will work after a reboot
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1664 [18:08:44] <brutser> that's actually not true anymore, that was before i disabled eth0
1665 [18:09:00] <brutser> so i guess easiest workaround is to enable eth0 with some dummy ip?
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1696 [18:29:59] <Enissay> Im executing rsync between local folder and an SSH server 3 times, is there an easy way to make authentication only once instead of 3 times ?
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1698 [18:30:24] <Enissay> It is being executed from an .sh script
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1700 [18:31:23] <greycat> The normal way to do it is to use key-based authentication, and use an ssh-agent to hold the credentials. You only have to add the key to the agent one time. And now you're going to tell me why you can't do that....
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1703 [18:32:30] <Enissay> greycat: haha, nope, newbie here, I'll check it first :P
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1705 [18:32:54] <Enissay> greycat: any example ?
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1716 [18:37:48] <ratrace> In addition, you can keep one connection open with -M and share it with subsequent rsync calls so the tcp connection is reused.
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1719 [18:39:07] <greycat> *nod* connection sharing is a more literal answer to the question, but I've never done it...
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1725 [18:41:09] <KenUnix54> Good morning
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1729 [18:42:22] <jelly> Enissay: ansible uses this to keep a persistent connection that dies after it's been unused for a minute: -C -o ControlMaster=auto -o ControlPersist=60s
1730 [18:43:19] <jelly> -C is not relevant, sorry, I just copied the whole thing
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1750 [18:50:22] <KenUnix54> I'm using Debian 9.x on a beaglebone black. Have changes been made to 'interfaces' file. I have a pre-build one that does not seem to work on Debian 10.2
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1753 [18:52:09] <KenUnix54> Running 'route' same interface for usb0 appears twice and name resolver never works.
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1756 [18:55:02] <jhutchins_wk> Something strange here. ntpd isn't able to reach the servers, but ntpdate does just fine.
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1760 [18:58:25] <greycat> What Do The Logs Say? Any firewall stuff in the way, perhaps filtering by UID?
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1765 [18:59:10] <b1ack0p> is unmounting external usb hdd same with windows safely remove disk thing?
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1767 [19:00:11] <greycat> After unmounting, and after the device stops flashing or whatever (or just wait a couple seconds if there are no visible clues), it should be safe to remove the device.
1768 [19:00:33] <b1ack0p> ok then thanks
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1780 [19:06:57] <tharkun> Good $DAY. I need to wipe clean an ssd hdd. What is my weapon of choice? (Shred seems no longer an option)
1781 [19:07:22] <greycat> cp /dev/zero /dev/whatever
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1784 [19:07:54] <JPT> physical shredding
1785 [19:08:07] <nullray> this might help replaced-url
1786 [19:08:21] <tharkun> greycat: Thanks. I think that will eventually do it. I suspected dd as a not so fast alternative.
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1788 [19:08:37] <greycat> dd and cp both do the same thing -- read from A and write to B
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1790 [19:08:58] <greycat> dd just gives you a bunch of knobs to control how many bytes you read and write at once, etc.
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1796 [19:10:42] <tharkun> nullray: From that url "Do not proceed with this if the target drive isn't connected directly to a SATA interface." not my case. I only have one sata connector and that one is running the OS
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1798 [19:11:38] <tharkun> greycat: Thanks for the insights. I will do the cp dance. I hope you have a great day!
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1825 [19:22:21] <jhutchins_wk> Something strange here. ntpd isn't able to reach the servers, but ntpdate -q does just fine. ntpdate with ntpd stopped says no suitable servers.
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1827 [19:22:52] <greycat> What Do The Logs Say? Any firewall stuff in the way, perhaps filtering by UID?
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1839 [19:34:46] <jhutchins_wk> Logs don't say anything useful. When I restart ntpd I do see some "listen and drop" statements, but I also see listen normally. No "listen" statement in the config file.
1840 [19:35:16] <jhutchins_wk> Testing as root, so UID is 0.
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1857 [19:48:44] <brutser> specifically for debian 10, how can i block all traffic on the host system , except for updating debian files? using iptables
1858 [19:49:42] <brutser> i want to protect the host so not giving it net access, also a script that temporarily allow apt update would be fine, then i can run that once every X days
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1874 [20:03:19] <petn-randall> brutser: Why don't you just reject all incoming traffic, but allow outgoing?
1875 [20:03:38] <sponix> petn-randall: oh, like a good fw default does ?
1876 [20:04:41] <sponix> brutser: do you have a Desktop Environment like xfce, mate, Cinnamon, Gnome or such installed on this rig ?
1877 [20:04:54] <brutser> petn-randall: that's probably good as well, i am not an expert on security, i just want to protect the host OS like qubes OS does, they not allow direct net access for dom0 - i try to create similar for debian host
1878 [20:05:02] <brutser> sponix: openbox
1879 [20:05:26] <greycat> "protect" against what?
1880 [20:06:03] <sponix> use "ufw" = Uncomplicated Fire Wall (might be gufw for the Graphic one) and just toggle it "ON" -- That will get you pretty darn secure by just doing that alone :)
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1882 [20:06:24] <brutser> greycat: all that scary stuff out on the internet :)
1883 [20:06:28] <sponix> greycat: 1337 h4x0rz of course
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1887 [20:07:06] <greycat> You "protect" a desktop system by running stable and staying up to date on security patches, especially in your web browser(s).
1888 [20:07:21] <brutser> it's the host that basically not need net access, except for updates - it's the host that i not want infected with anything - the vm guest i can reset or re-install easier
1889 [20:07:55] <brutser> greycat: yes but i prefer to do all my internet activity on dedicated vm's or ones that i can discard after usage
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1892 [20:08:28] <sponix> !qubes
1893 [20:08:28] <brutser> i can't think of that as a very bad idea, i am sure it's not the smartest either, but ok
1894 [20:08:58] <brutser> sponix: yes similar to that
1895 [20:09:10] <sponix> brutser: irc.spotchat.org #LinuxMint-Chat -- ask "Devnull" if she will teach you some Qubes and security basics
1896 [20:09:31] <sponix> brutser: when she says NO, tell her I sent you to annoy her
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1898 [20:09:57] <ms_patrick> Hallo, ive installed buster and try to get bumblebee running. Can somebody help?
1899 [20:10:07] <brutser> sponix: ok lol - but i know qubes, have used it, but it's just too heavy on resources and i just need minimalistic system
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1901 [20:10:20] <brutser> hence the debian+openbox minimal setup for host
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1903 [20:10:42] <brutser> and ufw is just frontend, i can do that in iptables, i was just asking for alittle help with that :)
1904 [20:10:52] <brutser> with the overall idea i mean
1905 [20:10:56] <sponix> brutser: Oh, well I stick with my prior recommendation on the Debian+openbox host thenm -- just toggle on ufw and you are done
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1907 [20:11:20] <sponix> brutser: nah, just let ufw do the work for you :)
1908 [20:12:00] <ms_patrick> how can i detect which gpu is running?
1909 [20:12:14] <greycat> usually, by reading Xorg.0.log
1910 [20:12:17] <greycat> !xorg.0.log
1911 [20:12:17] <dpkg> Xorg.0.log is in /var/log/ unless you are on stretch-or-later and running X as non-root. Then it's in ~/.local/share/xorg/ instead.
1912 [20:12:23] <brutser> sponix, greycat: ok thanks for your input
1913 [20:12:38] <annadane> really?
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1916 [20:12:59] <diogenes_> ms_patrick, glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"
1917 [20:13:16] <nlpqda> what's the best (if there is any) application to read epub on debian?
1918 [20:13:48] <sponix> nlpqda: most use Calibre for all their ebook needs
1919 [20:14:13] <ms_patrick> diogenes_ glxinfo is an unknown command
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1921 [20:14:29] <greycat> it's in mesa-utils, if you want to install that
1922 [20:14:53] <diogenes_> ^^^
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1930 [20:18:52] <ms_patrick> ive installed bumblebee from buster repositories but its not working
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1944 [20:25:36] <nlpqda> thank you sponix
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1963 [20:39:12] <Sinother_83> somebody knows whats httpd command in debian 10
1964 [20:39:27] <Sinother_83> somebody knows whats httpd command in debian 10
1965 [20:39:28] <greycat> You can install nginx, apache2, or various other web servers.
1966 [20:39:42] <Sinother_83> i have apache2 works fine
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1968 [20:39:56] <Sinother_83> but need install a module
1969 [20:40:09] <greycat> apt-cache search apache2 your module
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1984 [20:42:29] <Sinother_83> thaks this command works, isnt in official docu
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2007 [20:53:29] <RuGaL> Hello, I want to Install new Version of ZNC on Debian, But when I use command "apt install znc" I get the older version znc is already the newest version (1.6.5-1+deb9u2).
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2013 [20:55:04] <annadane> RuGaL, there's 1.7 in stretch-backports
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2017 [20:55:44] <neilthereildeil> how can i install the latest version of iptools as a deb?
2018 [20:56:20] <sponix> ,v iptools
2019 [20:56:21] <judd> No package named 'iptools' was found in amd64.
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2021 [20:56:46] <neilthereildeil> iptools2
2022 [20:56:54] <sponix> ,v iptools2
2023 [20:56:55] <judd> No package named 'iptools2' was found in amd64.
2024 [20:56:56] <greycat> what are you trying to do?
2025 [20:57:03] <sponix> ;)
2026 [20:57:06] <RuGaL> annadane: How I install them?
2027 [20:57:13] <neilthereildeil> bridge link set dev eth0 isolated on
2028 [20:57:32] <neilthereildeil> the version on debian is old i think (how can i verify?)
2029 [20:57:33] <RuGaL> annadane: New version is 1.7.5. i think
2030 [20:57:56] <annadane> ,i znc
2031 [20:57:57] <judd> Package znc (net, optional) in buster/amd64: advanced modular IRC bouncer. Version: 1.7.2-3; Size: 1640.1k; Installed: 6944k; Homepage: replaced-url
2032 [20:58:19] <annadane> buster-backports does have it but you're on stretch, but it seems like not very hard to self-backport
2033 [20:58:40] <annadane> ,checkbackport znc
2034 [20:58:41] <judd> Backporting package znc in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12).
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2036 [20:59:45] <Wulf> ,checkbackport ansible
2037 [20:59:46] <judd> Backporting package ansible in sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster.
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2039 [21:00:15] <serph0ne> hey guys, why when i do ./configure i see this error -> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
2040 [21:00:37] <greycat> neilthereildeil: are you talking about the iproute2 package? The one that contains "ip" and "ss" and so on?
2041 [21:00:38] <RuGaL> May I know how I install the newer verison?
2042 [21:00:58] <neilthereildeil> greycat: sry yes
2043 [21:01:07] <neilthereildeil> i think it contains the bridge binary also
2044 [21:01:16] <neilthereildeil> i need to be able to set isolation on my bridge ports
2045 [21:01:16] <greycat> wooledg:~$ dpkg -L iproute2 | grep bridge
2046 [21:01:16] <greycat> /sbin/bridge
2047 [21:01:23] <greycat> ,v iproute2
2048 [21:01:24] <judd> Package: iproute2 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16.0-2; stretch: 4.9.0-1+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 4.20.0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 4.20.0-2; buster-backports: 5.4.0-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.5.0-1; sid: 5.5.0-1
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2050 [21:02:18] <RuGaL> am I on old debian or something?
2051 [21:02:22] <tabb> RuGaL, replaced-url
2052 [21:02:27] <greycat> RuGaL: cat /etc/debian_version
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2054 [21:02:35] <RuGaL> tabb: i am there already
2055 [21:03:00] <tabb> so downlaod the last one
2056 [21:03:00] <greycat> but the "deb9" in your previous paste tells us you are most likely on Debian 9
2057 [21:03:02] <tabb> replaced-url
2058 [21:03:11] <tabb> wget replaced-url
2059 [21:03:12] <annadane> well there you go
2060 [21:03:18] <tabb> from your server
2061 [21:03:27] <annadane> other people not me should answer questions
2062 [21:04:09] <tabb> ;)
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2064 [21:05:11] <tabb> can also get it from github: git clone replaced-url
2065 [21:05:27] <greycat> ,v znc
2066 [21:05:28] <judd> Package: znc on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4-2; jessie-security: 1.4-2+deb8u2; stretch: 1.6.5-1+deb9u2; stretch-security: 1.6.5-1+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 1.7.2-3~bpo9+1; buster: 1.7.2-3; buster-backports: 1.7.5-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1.7.5-2; sid: 1.7.5-3
2067 [21:05:42] <greycat> The version in stretch-backports is 1.7.2 ...
2068 [21:06:16] <greycat> ah, I see annadane already covered that ground while I wasn't looking
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2070 [21:07:02] <RuGaL> I want to install buster-backports package it has new version of znc
2071 [21:07:12] <greycat> RuGaL: cat /etc/debian_version
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2073 [21:07:43] <RuGaL> root@168:~# cat /etc/debian_version
2074 [21:07:44] <RuGaL> 9.12
2075 [21:07:57] <greycat> You are not *on* buster. You're on Debian 9, also known as stretch.
2076 [21:08:25] <greycat> You can install 1.7.2 from stretch-backports. Or you can upgrade to buster, and use buster-backports. Or you can try to build the upstream version from source.
2077 [21:08:42] <neilthereildeil> greycat: is it possible to upgrade from debian 9 to latest stable (debian 10)?
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2079 [21:09:09] <greycat> dpkg, stretch->buster
2080 [21:09:09] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
2081 [21:09:19] <RuGaL> What version of Deiban supports buster?
2082 [21:09:24] <greycat> !buster
2083 [21:09:24] <dpkg> Buster is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06. "Buster" is Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story, see replaced-url
2084 [21:10:31] <RuGaL> Buster is the development codename for Debian 10.
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2090 [21:14:13] <annadane> it is the codename for debian 10, not the development codename
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2092 [21:14:33] <annadane> debian 10 is current, the version that's stable and recommended for most people
2093 [21:14:49] <annadane> although yes 9 still has full support until next summer
2094 [21:14:57] <annadane> like 3 months or whatever
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2096 [21:15:02] <annadane> this summer
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2099 [21:17:48] <RuGaL> I See
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2101 [21:18:03] <RuGaL> Well, Its seems a long process upgrading
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2103 [21:18:15] <RuGaL> replaced-url
2104 [21:18:23] <annadane> you should use the actual
2105 [21:18:25] <annadane> !release notes
2106 [21:18:25] <dpkg> The release notes for Debian 10 "Buster" are at replaced-url
2107 [21:18:49] <greycat> It can take a while if you have a lot installed, and if you have a slow Internet connection and/or slow disk.
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2110 [21:20:07] <RuGaL> yeah and i also forget when last time i upgrade its been years now
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2119 [21:25:39] <serph0ne> hey guys, why when i do ./configure i see this error -> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
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2121 [21:26:07] <greycat> is build-essential installed?
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2126 [21:31:45] <Sinother_83> anyone use apache2? whtas the new command for apache2ctl?¿
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2128 [21:32:14] <greycat> ,file bin/apache2ctl
2129 [21:32:19] <judd> Search for bin/apache2ctl in buster/amd64: apache2: usr/sbin/apache2ctl
2130 [21:32:25] <greycat> It's right there ^^
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2132 [21:32:31] <greycat> !buster su
2133 [21:32:31] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
2134 [21:32:39] <greycat> And there's me guessing.
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2136 [21:33:48] <Sinother_83> thaks so much
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2172 [21:49:57] <CarlFK> replaced-url
2173 [21:51:14] <annadane> yes, scroll down to "search package directories"
2174 [21:51:16] <greycat> Probably. But I just type packages.debian.org/libvirt
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2177 [21:51:38] <greycat> the web server redirects that to replaced-url
2178 [21:52:02] <CarlFK> oh neat
2179 [21:52:11] <neilthereildeil> greycat: im following the tutorial about how to upgrade 9->10
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2181 [21:52:25] <neilthereildeil> but i dunno what to put in sources.list
2182 [21:52:38] <neilthereildeil> is "deb replaced-url
2183 [21:52:41] <fbm> Hi, I have an RX 560 AMD graphics card, how do I get some kind of driver going so I can get dual monitors?
2184 [21:52:46] <greycat> !buster sources.list
2185 [21:52:47] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
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2187 [21:53:54] <somiaj> fbm: you probably need the non-free firmware, firmware-amd-graphics is the package name.
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2189 [21:54:09] <fbm> somiaj, How do I get that?
2190 [21:54:11] <somiaj> fbm: with that package, the amdgpu (or radeon) driver should give you more capabilities of the card
2191 [21:54:20] <somiaj> fbm: add contrib non-free to your sources, then apt install it
2192 [21:54:27] <somiaj> !non-free sources
2193 [21:54:27] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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2195 [21:54:41] <fbm> somiaj, Do you think I can get amdgpupro installed or is that asking too much?
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2197 [21:54:58] <somiaj> it is already installed with the kernel, you are jus tmost likely missing firmware
2198 [21:55:26] <fbm> somiaj, I do not think so, AMDGPUPRO is a different animal.
2199 [21:55:35] <fbm> somiaj, They are really bad drivers.
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2201 [21:55:48] <fbm> somiaj, But necessary for video production work because of opencl
2202 [21:56:00] <fbm> libraries
2203 [21:56:35] <fbm> somiaj, That is why only a handfull of distro actually are sanctioned by AMD (tm)
2204 [21:56:44] <fbm> to run the merde
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2213 [22:00:59] <neilthereildeil> greycat: is this good for a sources.list?
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2215 [22:01:23] <neilthereildeil> replaced-url
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2218 [22:03:08] <somiaj> sorry yea, amdgpu should be fine, you have to go to amd to get the pro drivers, and I dn't know if they make debian packages or not
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2224 [22:04:59] <dvs> neilthereildeil, you can add "contrib non-free" to the end of the lines if you want the nonfree stuff too
2225 [22:05:13] <neilthereildeil> ok, add to the end of EACH line?
2226 [22:05:22] <dvs> yes
2227 [22:05:25] <neilthereildeil> thanks
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2230 [22:06:26] <neilthereildeil> what about buster/updates and buster-updates?
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2233 [22:06:58] <fbm> somiaj, thanks, gotta reboot
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2235 [22:07:11] <dvs> neilthereildeil, yes each line (meaning all three)
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2238 [22:07:40] <neilthereildeil> dvs: what about buster/updates and buster-updates?
2239 [22:07:50] <greycat> Same.
2240 [22:07:52] <dvs> yes, all three lines
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2251 [22:13:13] <bestthespian> hello
2252 [22:13:25] <bestthespian> I have a off topic question
2253 [22:13:32] <bestthespian> kind of
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2256 [22:13:59] <somiaj> well this isn't the palce for off-topic questions, it is a place for questions about Debian
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2258 [22:14:21] <bestthespian> what program do you use to make bootable drives using linux? it was suggested to use unetbootin but then someone else suggest another program and it was a lot nicer and updated
2259 [22:14:40] <bestthespian> i am using ubuntu and that is debian
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2261 [22:14:48] <somiaj> ubuntu is not debian.
2262 [22:14:53] <bestthespian> aww
2263 [22:14:59] <greycat> You write a Debian install image to a USB drive by using cp or dd.
2264 [22:15:04] <bestthespian> i forgot my nickserv password
2265 [22:15:07] <bestthespian> been having issues
2266 [22:15:13] <somiaj> This here is one of the things that is actually quite different with ubuntu vs debian. Debian .iso images can be coppied directly with cp or dd and don't need anything to 'make them bootable'
2267 [22:15:14] <greycat> To a CD-ROM or DVD-ROM, using one of the various burning tools.
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2269 [22:15:34] <bestthespian> i like using bootable flashdrive
2270 [22:15:46] <bestthespian> what program do you use again? i forgot the name of it
2271 [22:16:05] <somiaj> in general making something bootable is vague, there are lots of ways to do it. You could say use syslinux, you could put grub on the flash drive, and many other ways
2272 [22:16:27] <greycat> Give some more detail about what you're trying to do.
2273 [22:16:31] <bestthespian> there was an updated program
2274 [22:16:39] <greycat> Program to do what?
2275 [22:16:44] <bestthespian> and i cant remember the name, a lot nice then unetbootin
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2277 [22:17:23] <bestthespian> make a install flashdrive of operating system of any linux distro
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2279 [22:18:45] <greycat> We can't tell you how to make a bootable installation medium for any OS except Debian. And for Debian, you just use cp or dd to copy the image file to the device.
2280 [22:19:08] <greycat> Maybe you should ask in the OS channel for the OS you're actually trying to use.
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2289 [22:28:16] <fbm> Hi, so I just installed Debian and wanted to import my profile into firefox, because I have a crapload of bookmarks and stuff, but it now refuses to 'take' the old profile.ini
2290 [22:28:35] <fbm> Is there a way I could 'compel' it?
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2292 [22:30:03] <KNERD> 2 ways. You can either use the Firefox Synce or copy the profile diretcory over
2293 [22:30:12] <KNERD> *Sync
2294 [22:30:16] <fbm> KNERD, I did copy the profile over
2295 [22:30:27] <fbm> KNERD, it refuses to accept it
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2298 [22:31:35] <fbm> KNERD, .mozilla, right?
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2301 [22:33:03] <fbm> If I lost my bookmarks and such, I will never trust that browser again.
2302 [22:33:32] <KNERD> That should be it
2303 [22:33:42] <KNERD> did you copy the whole folder over?
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2305 [22:34:04] <KNERD> That is why I use Waterfox classic and use TabMix Plus where there are multiple tab saves
2306 [22:34:19] <fbm> KNERD, Yes, I think firefox is trying to dissuade that and make people sign on to their stupid network
2307 [22:34:34] <fbm> KNERD, But i did copy the whole dang thing
2308 [22:35:02] <dvs> fbm, what program was the data from?
2309 [22:35:12] <fbm> dvs, firefox
2310 [22:35:12] <dvs> oops
2311 [22:35:46] <fbm> It shoudl be that if I copy the .mozilla folder, I get everything as before
2312 [22:36:02] <fbm> now firefox is being an absolute prick
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2314 [22:36:24] <dvs> fbm, In the Bookmarks -> Show All Bookmarks menu item, there is an Import and Backup -> Backup... item to export your bookmarks to a file.
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2319 [22:39:15] <fbm> dvs, I want to import
2320 [22:39:27] <fbm> fbm, I am already on the new os
2321 [22:39:43] <fbm> dvs, The folder is there and it is h u g e
2322 [22:40:06] <fbm> dvs, I want to bring the whole mess over
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2324 [22:42:37] <KNERD> Did you make a copy of the profile folder, then istalled new OS?
2325 [22:42:49] <fbm> So it looks like Mozilla did this on purpose, to force users to use their sync feature, which I am not at all interested in.
2326 [22:43:25] <fbm> Because I got a little message when I copied the folder over that mozilla no longer supports the import of profiles.ini
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2329 [22:44:24] <fbm> KNERD, yes, I did. I have done this before and it worked, but now Mozilla is willfully dissuading this
2330 [22:44:33] <bestthespian> I found it , it was mkusb, and ubuntu says they are based off debian
2331 [22:44:43] <bestthespian> ever use mkusb before?
2332 [22:44:48] <KNERD> then try just using the .default file
2333 [22:44:50] <bestthespian> that is all i wanted
2334 [22:45:01] <greycat> bestthespian: never heard of it.
2335 [22:45:14] <fbm> I need to find a browser that won't pull stuff like this.
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2337 [22:45:20] <bestthespian> well it's better than unetbootin lol
2338 [22:45:31] <fbm> Willfully work against the user.
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2342 [22:46:11] <bestthespian> aww man I am having issues with firefox, i got an uopdate and it taked like an hour to load
2343 [22:46:36] <KNERD> fbm: As I mentioned, ou can try waterfox Classic
2344 [22:46:51] <fbm> I hate firefox
2345 [22:46:53] <KNERD> it is based on Firefox v56
2346 [22:47:00] <fbm> they lost my trust
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2348 [22:47:19] <fbm> chrome is evil
2349 [22:47:24] <fbm> what's left?
2350 [22:47:33] <dvs> Edge?
2351 [22:47:36] <KNERD> Anything based on Chromium ievail
2352 [22:47:37] <fbm> bwhahahaha
2353 [22:47:52] <KNERD> replaced-url
2354 [22:48:03] <fbm> I can eat the dog crap pile on the left or right, I have a choice.
2355 [22:48:15] <KNERD> You can try the Gnome "Web"
2356 [22:48:26] <somiaj> There are lots of light browsers based on web2kit
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2359 [22:48:48] <fbm> somiaj, Something that if I reinstall an OS I can import my profiles over?
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2361 [22:49:21] <greycat> I've never needed to perform any kind of "import" after a browser upgrade or release upgrade.
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2363 [22:49:41] <fbm> greycat, this is an OS migration
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2365 [22:50:01] <somiaj> still you can often just copy $HOME and be fine
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2367 [22:50:25] <fbm> somiaj, Except in this case, it does not work
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2369 [22:50:33] <greycat> what did you "migrate" from and to?
2370 [22:50:52] <bestthespian> is waterfox classic any good?
2371 [22:51:10] <fbm> greycat, I have done migrations in linux many times, it is easy breezu tyo copy the firefox profiles over
2372 [22:51:17] <KNERD> Yes, it is based on Firefox 56 so you can use the old extensions
2373 [22:51:22] <fbm> greycat, My thunderbird worked fine
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2376 [22:51:41] <KNERD> you can try taking the source code for MOSAIC and try making it into a modern browser
2377 [22:51:59] <bestthespian> what are the browsers out there basically edge, firefox and chrome right?
2378 [22:52:00] <fbm> greycat, The rub is firefox wants to dissuade people from copying their profiles over and force them to use their network
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2380 [22:52:13] <greycat> but you can't tell us what you migrated from, or to.
2381 [22:52:25] <fbm> greycat, from linux to linux
2382 [22:52:31] <greycat> my best guess at this point is you tried to move to an *older* version of firefox from a newer version
2383 [22:52:32] <somiaj> firefox'es switch to rust made upgrades I think break (or something like that)
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2385 [22:53:41] <tomreyn> more likely this was a downgrade, though
2386 [22:53:45] <somiaj> though greycat probably hit the nail on the head, firefox usually does't provide a downgrade on a profile.
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2389 [22:53:59] <bestthespian> i'm about to do a fresh install because my firefox is messsed up
2390 [22:54:04] <somiaj> yea, maybe moving to debian system which uses an esr version vs an upstream version.
2391 [22:54:45] <Aebian> I tried to change the vmware-workstation icon, however it still remains the same (default). I already checked with xprop and can confirm that it is no x11 forced icon. Any idea where to look next? In vmware-workstation.desktop is the icon set as vmware-workstation // I have a corresponding svg and it works for all other apps out there hmmmm
2392 [22:54:47] <fbm> It shoudl be easy peasy to import the bookmarks
2393 [22:55:01] <fbm> regardless of what version you have, that sounds like horrid design
2394 [22:55:07] <bestthespian> im rebinstalling the whole OS, i really don't want to keep doing this but i like smooth browsers
2395 [22:55:12] <tomreyn> designs can change
2396 [22:55:33] <fbm> if winblows can ask, "Oh hey, let us import all your bookmark crap!" because it asks a gazillion times, then Linux shoudl fart it out
2397 [22:56:57] <bestthespian> so i'm not the only one having troubles with the last firefox upgrade?
2398 [22:57:06] <bestthespian> update
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2400 [22:57:34] <fbm> But that message I got from firefox pretty much says, 'that profile import stuff you want to do? n-uh! You have to sign on with us if you want to move bookmarks over from now on, be-yatch!'
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2404 [22:58:12] <fbm> maybe another browser can import that crap...
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2412 [23:00:12] <fbm> Because browsers always ask, when I install, 'do you want us to import your bookmarks?' but maybe that is a windows thing...
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2416 [23:01:06] <bestthespian> replaced-url
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2420 [23:02:48] <KNERD> So I am on Debian 10. I downloaded Budge Desktop 10.5-1 to compile. I am getting Syntax errors when running Ninja. I see it is using Mutter .32, and I see Debian 10 has Budgie Desktop already in repos. I bring up Mutter, because soemome is having the same issue, but on another OS using Mutter .32. However, they satyed they got an update to .34, and the error has gone away. So question is, how did
2421 [23:03:11] <KNERD> the Debian team compile it without the Syntax error? Fix the Mutter issue?
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2423 [23:03:39] <greycat> if you're really curious, you can download the Debian source (patches and stuff that were applied) to see what they changed
2424 [23:03:58] <greycat> I'm guessing a thing with "Desktop" in its name is pretty damned big, though.
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2428 [23:05:32] <KNERD> If they applied any patch, I would of though it would be in the repo, thus I would not be getting the syntax error
2429 [23:06:01] <KNERD> and it's really not that big, ad the code is text, not binary files
2430 [23:06:06] <greycat> A patch applied by Debian to produce a Debian pacakge would not be in upstream's code base.
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2432 [23:06:31] <greycat> But anyway, if you want to SEE the patches that Debian applied, go read them.
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2434 [23:07:06] <KNERD> Obviosuly thee are none as I am getting an error, while they were able to successfully compile it
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2436 [23:07:35] <greycat> What. The FUCK. Do you SEE when I write things?
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2438 [23:07:40] <KNERD> but yeah, let me check the Bugue code
2439 [23:07:40] <greycat> Clearly you are not seeing what I see.
2440 [23:07:56] <bestthespian> you can use edge with linux?
2441 [23:08:13] <KNERD> Eventually
2442 [23:08:15] * greycat finds replaced-url
2443 [23:08:31] <greycat> And here's the Debian directory for buster: replaced-url
2444 [23:08:46] <ksk> bestthespian: no idea, but its chrome-based nowadays!
2445 [23:08:54] <greycat> The patches/ subdirectory has 6 files, one of which is Large.
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2450 [23:11:22] <KNERD> yes, thanks greycat:
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2455 [23:14:06] <KNERD> They do patch the exact file I am gettign the error in replaced-url
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2464 [23:17:41] <KNERD> So I made that same change, and still gets the same error: /src/wm/shim.vala:197.81-197.81: error: syntax error, expected identifier private void on_accelerator_activated(uint action, uint device_id, timestamp)
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2492 [23:43:17] <AnonymousWinjax> can someone help me.
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2506 [23:52:52] <annadane> patience is dead
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2512 [23:55:43] <KNERD> Nobody responded in .000000000002 seconds!!!
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2514 [23:55:53] <KNERD> ANother victim of ADD
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2517 [23:57:30] <KNERD> It seems all these pacthes replaced-url
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