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• 20[00:08:45] <Emil> Hey
• 21[00:09:04] <Emil> Do I understand correctly that Debian does not package a riscv compiler?
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• 23[00:09:34] <Emil> or does the standard gcc from repos (build-essential) include riscv (linux and embedded) support already?
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• 25[00:11:44] <sponix> Emil: might want to Google "Debian 10 riscv compiler"
• 26[00:12:23] <sponix> Debian itself runs on a lot of platforms, if RiscV is supported, then that version of Debian 10 will likely have the tools to support it also
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• 28[00:12:44] <sponix> for example Debian on Arm most likely has the needed Arm build tools
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• 30[00:13:52] <themill> ,i gcc-riscv64-linux-gnu
• 31[00:13:54] <judd> Package gcc-riscv64-linux-gnu (devel, optional) in buster/amd64: GNU C compiler for the riscv64 architecture. Version: 4:8.3.0-1; Size: 1.4k; Installed: 24k
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• 33[00:14:32] <sponix> themill: well played :)
• 34[00:14:42] <Emil> ,i gcc-riscv64*
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• 36[00:14:43] <judd> No package named 'gcc-riscv64*' was found in buster/amd64.
• 37[00:15:19] <sponix> ,v gcc-riscv64-linux-gnu
• 38[00:15:21] <judd> Package: gcc-riscv64-linux-gnu on amd64 -- buster: 4:8.3.0-1; bullseye: 4:9.2.1-3; sid: 4:9.2.1-3; experimental: 4:10-1
• 39[00:15:58] <Emil> How about none/ie for embedded non hosted one?
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• 43[00:18:39] <HelloShitty> Hello peeps
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• 46[00:19:11] <HelloShitty> I need help here. I have set my ~/.profile file to append a folder to my PATH
• 47[00:19:25] <HelloShitty> but it is not working because when I o echo $PATH
• 48[00:19:29] <HelloShitty> that foler is not there
• 49[00:19:45] <HelloShitty> I have already restarted my laptop but that folder simply is not appended
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• 53[00:20:23] <sponix> HelloShitty: maybe you are doing it wrong ?
• 54[00:20:36] <HelloShitty> I did it with an if statement
• 55[00:20:41] <HelloShitty> lt me paste it somehwere
• 56[00:20:47] <HelloShitty> just a second, please
• 57[00:20:52] <EdePopede> HelloShitty: did you read the comment at the beginning of the file?
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• 61[00:22:13] <Gm4n> HelloShitty: .profile is only parsed by login shells; see replaced-url
• 62[00:22:18] <HelloShitty> I'm reading it now
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• 66[00:23:42] <HelloShitty> I don't have any .bash_profile or .bash_login
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• 68[00:23:50] <HelloShitty> I only have .bash_aliases
• 69[00:24:13] <HelloShitty> the comment says that that file won't be read by bash if .bash_profile or .bash_login exists
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• 71[00:25:16] <HelloShitty> And my goal is to run a few commands and set some env variables at login time
• 72[00:25:40] <HelloShitty> So, I was trying to get help to figure out why that folder is not appended to my PATH at login time
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• 77[00:30:33] <EdePopede> HelloShitty: you could have the script write the path before and after the change into a file. or `set -x` or what it was to have bash say what it's doing
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• 86[00:33:03] <TTT> hi, any graphical calendars in Linux that can show entire year, and show holidays for my country? Console 'cal' fits the bill but I'd like something graphical
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• 88[00:33:26] <TTT> and no, googling didn't suggest anything useful. Most calendar apps show 1 month at the time
• 89[00:33:40] <dob1> is there any utility that can help to add (append) data to an existing csv taking care of quoting?
• 90[00:33:43] <HelloShitty> EdePopede: sorry, but I'm not following you
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• 93[00:35:22] <EdePopede> right before the change the directory shouldn't be in PATH, right after it it should. simply let bash report you the value to see if the change happens as it should
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• 95[00:35:55] <HelloShitty> hum, ok
• 96[00:36:10] <EdePopede> .bashrc is sourced, could it be it is changed there?
• 97[00:36:11] <HelloShitty> I have other folders set there to append to PATH and they are working
• 98[00:36:17] <HelloShitty> I don't understand why this is not
• 99[00:36:22] <HelloShitty> but ok, I'll try that
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• 101[00:36:32] <EdePopede> anything special with its name or its path?
• 102[00:38:11] <HelloShitty> nope, it's just ~/.local/bin
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• 104[00:39:29] <sponix> might do the full /home/username/.local/bin instead of the ~ expected to expand
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• 106[00:40:21] <HelloShitty> ok, I can also try that
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• 109[00:41:32] <sponix> going to sound odd, but you might also confirm that it is bash you are using, not dash, fish, zsh or something else
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• 111[00:42:25] <HelloShitty> $ echo $SHELL
• 112[00:42:30] <HelloShitty> ./bin/bash
• 113[00:42:47] <sponix> okay, good
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• 157[01:21:16] <Gm4n> does buster sign the xen kernel? The xen-hypervisor package doesn't boot after my dist-upgrade, could be a secure boot problem
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• 255[02:54:53] <mindlessmiss> trying to get Zoneminder to work, ive installd t fll bn
• 256[02:56:26] <mindlessmiss> trying to get Zoneminder to work, ive installd t fll bn '
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• 261[02:58:45] <joepublic> Interesting.
• 262[02:59:42] <mindlessmiss> aSdfghjkl;'
• 263[02:59:43] <mindlessmiss> df[]
• 264[02:59:45] <mindlessmiss> 0.
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• 267[03:01:08] <mindlessmiss> sorry having keyboard trouble. plz forgive my flood
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• 269[03:02:18] <mindlessmiss> trying to get Zoneminder to work. ive installd it following instruction from replaced-url
• 270[03:03:10] <mindlessmiss> but when i connect with browser i get "Unable to connect to ZM db.SQLSTATE[HY000] [1698] Access denied for user 'zmuser'@'localhost'"
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• 309[03:55:16] <OS-43102> Bumbum01!
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• 312[03:57:40] <OS-43102> = Bumbum01!
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• 320[04:02:07] <nulld1g1t> jrtc27: joepublic
• 321[04:02:19] <nulld1g1t> we have a winner
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• 323[04:02:33] <nulld1g1t> check this out :
• 324[04:02:36] <nulld1g1t> replaced-url
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• 326[04:04:35] <jrtc27> :)
• 327[04:04:47] <nulld1g1t> that's a lot of cpus
• 328[04:04:52] <nulld1g1t> hahahaha
• 329[04:06:10] <nulld1g1t> thanks for your support jrtc27
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• 333[04:06:31] <nulld1g1t> by the way I run a raid 1 perfectly
• 334[04:08:26] <jrtc27> early ultrasparcs were quantity over quality due to intended workloads
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• 337[04:09:16] <nulld1g1t> although I am not expecting amazing performances, I am looking forward to play with these cores
• 338[04:09:46] <nulld1g1t> it's 4am here in France ( I live near Paris )
• 339[04:10:01] <jrtc27> root@tokyo:~# ldm list-devices -a vcpu | grep '[0-9]' | wc -l
• 340[04:10:02] <jrtc27> 128
• 341[04:10:02] <jrtc27> that's a T5 :)
• 342[04:10:11] <jrtc27> (on the solaris dom0)
• 343[04:10:21] <nulld1g1t> was a long install but that's a great feeling :)
• 344[04:10:35] <jrtc27> "only" 3am here in .uk
• 345[04:10:47] <nulld1g1t> jrtc27: I lived 10 years in the UK
• 346[04:11:10] <nulld1g1t> I am a French Yorshire lad hahahaha
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• 348[04:11:47] <jrtc27> :)
• 349[04:11:59] <nulld1g1t> which part of the UK ?
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• 357[04:13:33] <jrtc27> phd student at cambridge
• 358[04:13:46] <nulld1g1t> sounds cool
• 359[04:14:22] <nulld1g1t> I worked for 10 years as a technical consultant there
• 360[04:14:26] <somiaj> Just a rminder this is a debian support channel
• 361[04:14:27] <somiaj> !chat
• 362[04:14:27] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic or #moocows on irc.oftc.net, chat on irc.freenode.net, or search for a chat topic of your choice at ##replaced-url
• 363[04:14:59] <nulld1g1t> dpkg: fashist bot !
• 364[04:14:59] <dpkg> nulld1g1t: i haven't a clue
• 365[04:15:36] <nulld1g1t> same for you somiaj
• 366[04:15:40] <nulld1g1t> hahahha
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• 511[07:18:26] <mindlessmiss> that force quit button thingy for mate panel is so handy I wish windoze had something equivalenty
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• 524[07:36:15] <themill> I assume that's basicall xkill or Ctrl+Alt+Esc
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• 531[07:44:33] <celphi> replaced-url
• 532[07:44:47] <celphi> anyone has dealt with this error before?
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• 537[07:46:47] <mindlessmiss> yeah xkill is pretty much the same thing (just used it for the first time) ctrl+alt+del is not as satisfying as clicking on a misbehaving app with a big X and bam. lol.. alt-f4 is useful sometimes but only if the program is in the foreground.. the mate X thingo seems to kill anything inc. docks n stuff
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• 554[08:09:04] <pragomer> hi. I downloaded a series of 57 youtube videos. their filenames are like this: replaced-url
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• 558[08:12:13] <Kyros> did you download them with youtube-dl?
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• 561[08:13:26] <pragomer> Hi, no with 4kdownloader
• 562[08:13:42] <pragomer> 4downloader could load the whole playlist.
• 563[08:14:12] <Kyros> see if the modified time is in order then you could use find and a loop to append a number is what i was getting at
• 564[08:14:44] <mindlessmiss> there are file tag programs in the repos, Ive yet to try any but on windows I used to use a program called tag & rename which did the job
• 565[08:15:01] <mindlessmiss> perhaps you could try a couple
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• 567[08:15:49] <pragomer> hm, good idea with modified time, but it does not fit completly: replaced-url
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• 630[09:07:17] <gry2> why does my glxgears give 50 frames per second while in internet it is more like 700?
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• 650[09:17:45] <randomgry> note: the context is that this laptop does not render the map at 131500.com.au correctly, it comes as moving stripes
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• 685[09:41:08] <jelly> gry: by default vsync binds it to refresh rate of the output screen, there's no need to output more frames than will be actually shown
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• 693[09:43:47] <jelly> gry: it tells you about that, on stdout. Run it from a terminal to see the message.
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• 736[10:19:19] <f-a> if I want to know why this package is non-free, where do I click? replaced-url
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• 740[10:21:01] <f-a> ha yes, reasonable
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• 742[10:21:48] <pirla> Hello everyone. How can I put this command in a .sh script? "bash -c echo myPass | sudo -S myCommand"
• 743[10:22:01] <pirla> It ignores echo
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• 748[10:24:06] <pirla> Anyone?
• 749[10:24:27] <dispersed> just add quotes around the command
• 750[10:24:32] <pirla> did, no luck
• 751[10:24:49] <dispersed> try ''
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• 753[10:25:58] <pirla> no luck either. 'echo myPass | sudo -S myCommand'
• 754[10:26:06] <dispersed> seems to work here so
• 755[10:26:15] <pirla> in a script?
• 756[10:26:21] <dispersed> nah on the command line
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• 758[10:26:28] <pirla> I need it in a script
• 759[10:27:15] <jelly> pirla: best practice is: don't do that, configure sudo to allow that specific myCommand without password
• 760[10:27:16] <pirla> I guess I need to escape the command, but how?
• 761[10:27:19] <dispersed> replaced-url
• 762[10:27:51] <pirla> looking at your link
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• 765[10:28:58] <jelly> pirla: man 5 sudoers, read and hunt for examples with NOPASSWD, and use "visudo" when editing sudo's configuration
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• 767[10:32:30] <pirla> trying, gonna reboot
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• 772[10:35:45] <diogenes_> pirla, myou can make a script with the command and sudo visudo sudoer and add this to the end: ALL ALL = (root) NOPASSWD: /path/to/script
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• 774[10:36:07] <diogenes_> sudoers*
• 775[10:36:14] <pirla> dispersed, works great
• 776[10:36:56] <pirla> Now, today, at boot, I got a "unmanaged connection" to my ethernet using the applet top-right for network management
• 777[10:37:12] <pirla> How can I return it managed?
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• 783[10:40:39] <dispersed> the sudo man page could mention it doesn't work with -S coz clearly that is a feature of sudo
• 784[10:40:51] <dispersed> kind of beats the purpose of reading man pages
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• 797[10:49:16] <pirla> Hello everyone. I made it to delete the unwanted connection - it was so easy: click on "advanced network configuration" in settings and delete the entry
• 798[10:50:07] <pirla> Now, one last thing if yo can: I have a Bison or Suyin webcam, or at least this is what Acer website tells me. How can I enable it?
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• 802[10:52:00] <pirla> cheese reports "no device"
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• 809[10:53:40] <rue_mohr> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/bin/apt-file line 41
• 810[10:53:47] <rue_mohr> apt-file is broken
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• 820[11:00:47] <rue_mohr> stopframe is also broken, its not compatible with ffmpeg
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• 822[11:01:53] <pirla> I installed uvc modules, still no luck
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• 871[11:31:33] <pirla> Hello everyone again
• 872[11:31:47] <pirla> Please, how can I make Suyin webcam work?
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• 874[11:32:04] <pirla> It's not displayed by lsusb, but it works with Windows
• 875[11:32:34] <pirla> I guess it's something similar to usb hidden (like for usb internet dongles)
• 876[11:33:49] <pirla> modeset iirc
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• 883[11:39:57] <pirla> no, sorry, modeswitch
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• 898[11:51:45] <jelly> pirla: is it an external device or builtin?
• 899[11:51:56] <pirla> it's builtin
• 900[11:52:10] <jelly> might be connected some other way than usb
• 901[11:52:21] <pirla> it's a suyin
• 902[11:52:28] <pirla> how?
• 903[11:52:41] <jelly> pciexpress, or even i2c
• 904[11:52:49] <pirla> how can I check?
• 905[11:53:16] <jelly> !what's my hardware
• 906[11:53:16] <dpkg> You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>, <driver locator>.
• 907[11:54:02] <jelly> I do not know how i2c enumeration works, but there's an i2c-tools package and "i2cdetect"
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• 910[11:55:51] <gry> jelly: ok thanks
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• 912[11:57:08] <pirla> installed i2cdetect, but it requires some option, which I don't know
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• 914[11:57:52] <pirla> Wait, I guess I need -l unfortunately, no luck
• 915[11:58:24] <jelly> pirla: and lspci?
• 916[11:58:36] <pirla> brb
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• 918[11:59:10] <pirla> the weird fact is bluetooth is not listed in lspci too, but it works
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• 920[11:59:24] <pirla> and lspci doesn't list any webcam
• 921[11:59:45] <jelly> pirla: pastebin your "lspci -nn" and "lsusb" again
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• 923[12:00:29] <jelly> pirla: what's the brand and model of this computer?
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• 925[12:01:05] <pirla> It's an Acer Aspire 3100
• 926[12:02:49] <pirla> replaced-url
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• 930[12:05:50] <pirla> And BlueTooth is not listed in lshw to, but, again, it works
• 931[12:08:08] <diogenes_> pirla, try a newer kernel and disable secure boot.
• 932[12:08:22] <pirla> please, no
• 933[12:08:47] <pirla> how can I do so?
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• 937[12:10:02] <jelly> diogenes_: this is a very old device, I don't think it has either UEFI or SecureBoot
• 938[12:10:26] <diogenes_> pirla, an easier way is to run a leading edge distro off a use drive and see if your cam works.
• 939[12:10:45] <pirla> Should I upgrade to sid?
• 940[12:10:50] <pirla> tell me not
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• 942[12:11:22] <pirla> I have a 4.19.0 kernel
• 943[12:11:28] <jelly> pirla: no, but it would be interesting to see how well debian 7 or 8 worked
• 944[12:11:33] <pirla> Which is latest?
• 945[12:11:45] <pirla> I'm using 10.3
• 946[12:12:01] <pirla> Note, I meant latest *kernel*
• 947[12:12:04] <jelly> it's not likely a newer kernel is going to fix issues for a 10 year old laptop
• 948[12:12:13] <pirla> Phew
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• 950[12:12:35] <diogenes_> then an older one maybe.
• 951[12:12:45] <pirla> It doesn't make sense
• 952[12:12:58] <pirla> Newer should = better
• 953[12:13:38] <diogenes_> well they remove stuff for really old stuff in newer kernels.
• 954[12:13:45] <pirla> Oh, I see
• 955[12:14:26] <jelly> pirla: newer often means "noone cares if driver for some old hardware was accidentally broken"
• 956[12:14:47] <pirla> But the point is, again, BlueTooth is not listed neither by lshw, still it's there and works
• 957[12:15:04] <jelly> intentional removal happens, but more for hw that's like 20+ years old
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• 959[12:15:39] <jelly> pirla: bluetooth might be on an existing pci device, eg. sometimes there's wifi+bt together
• 960[12:16:05] <pirla> Oh, right
• 961[12:16:10] <jelly> but there's absolutely nothing detected on usb and that's somewhat unusual
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• 963[12:16:32] <jelly> pirla: can the webcam be disabled in BIOS?
• 964[12:16:45] <pirla> Dunno, shold I give it a try?
• 965[12:16:48] <diogenes_> pirla, is it Debian with non-free firmware?
• 966[12:16:52] <pirla> yep
• 967[12:17:03] <jelly> look it up and see if it's disabled, yes
• 968[12:17:11] <pirla> ok, be right back
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• 976[12:21:34] <pirla> No, no luck
• 977[12:22:23] <pirla> Wait, when BlueTooth and WiFi are on the same card, you can only use one of them. I can use both together
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• 987[12:29:29] <jelly> you use both.
• 988[12:30:21] <pirla> rarely, but I can
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• 990[12:32:40] <jelly> is it possible the previous owner has physically disonnected the webcam
• 991[12:33:04] <jelly> somewhere on the way to the motherboard
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• 993[12:33:40] <jelly> because google shows old reports of being unable to switch it off in software
• 994[12:33:49] <pirla> No, it worked with windows just 3 days ago
• 995[12:34:12] <nulld1g1t> morning all
• 996[12:34:20] <pirla> nulld1g1t, morning
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• 998[12:34:55] <jelly> pirla: maybe you can boot windows again and figur out how it's connected there
• 999[12:35:03] <pirla> I wiped out Windows
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• 1002[12:35:17] <jelly> oh well.
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• 1004[12:35:32] <jelly> next time find a cheap old thinkpad, not a cheap old acer
• 1005[12:35:45] <pirla> But the reasoning about BlueTooth is still valid: how can I have it working, but not listed in lspci?
• 1006[12:35:58] <pirla> jelly, lol
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• 1010[12:36:22] <nkuttler> it's not a pci device?
• 1011[12:36:31] <pirla> yes, it is
• 1012[12:36:33] <jelly> we don't know whether it's listed or not, BT might be on an existing BT device
• 1013[12:36:40] <pirla> but is not listed in lspci, still it's working
• 1014[12:36:42] <jelly> existing PCI device
• 1015[12:36:51] <pirla> Not AFAIK
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• 1017[12:37:15] <jelly> pirla: pastebin your dmesg
• 1018[12:38:22] <jelly> pirla: and lsmod, too
• 1019[12:39:03] <jelly> you can probably figure out how BT is connected and which device provides it from there
• 1020[12:39:17] <pirla> replaced-url
• 1021[12:40:07] <pirla> By the way, I also get this at boot: replaced-url
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• 1023[12:42:03] <mindlessmiss> anyone installed debian on a touchscreen/notebook
• 1024[12:42:19] <nulld1g1t> mindlessmiss: I did
• 1025[12:42:21] <pirla> mindlessmiss, do you mean a tablet?
• 1026[12:42:40] <nulld1g1t> I am currently using it on a Dell XPS 13
• 1027[12:43:35] <nulld1g1t> it has a touchscreen
• 1028[12:43:40] <nulld1g1t> ...
• 1029[12:43:57] <mindlessmiss> eg. toshiba z10t.. and had no problems with the synaptic touichpad on the detacheable keyboard... also how about the touchscrteeen
• 1030[12:43:58] <mindlessmiss> ?
• 1031[12:44:28] <mindlessmiss> its a tablet pc but it has a removeable keyboard/touchpad thing
• 1032[12:44:54] <jelly> pirla: btw which bluetooth functionality did you try out to know it works?
• 1033[12:45:32] <mindlessmiss> i have had probelms with some distros not recognizing the touchpad, or the keyboard, or the touchscreen
• 1034[12:45:37] <pirla> file transfer
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• 1037[12:46:10] <pirla> Sorry, I can't help, I can only advice you to use an USB KeyBoard
• 1038[12:46:53] <pirla> Then, once installed, it should detect your kb
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• 1041[12:48:59] <mindlessmiss> But I need to be able to toggle the touchscreen on/off somehow, coz occasionally it wigs out and goes spastic cursor jumping all over the place - usuaally when either the fan kicks in or it's plugged in to the charger - so I guess electrical issue but idk how to fix that - so I have a icon on the taskbar in windows which toggles the touchscreen hardware on/off,
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• 1044[12:49:51] <pirla> I see, but you don't have that button in Linux, aren't you? I guess it just needs to be configured, but I can guess how
• 1045[12:49:55] <pirla> *can't
• 1046[12:51:05] <mindlessmiss> yeah i can use a usb keyboard... nut i sorta wanna get the removeable one working... my USB ports are messed up, there is one working one left but it is very fragile.. gonna die any day now
• 1047[12:51:24] <mindlessmiss> i had to make the button in windows myself
• 1048[12:51:34] <jelly> pirla: don't see any obvious driver for bt, maybe it's connected to the sound card somehow
• 1049[12:51:50] <pirla> bah...
• 1050[12:52:30] <mindlessmiss> with the hardware is from devfice manager and some script thing
• 1051[12:53:17] <mindlessmiss> I have BT on this box apparently... i guess debian just decided to put it there but theres no bt hw
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• 1054[12:55:28] <nulld1g1t> not easy to find debian sparc64 users nowadays
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• 1056[12:55:43] <nulld1g1t> for those interested
• 1057[12:55:53] <nulld1g1t> openjdk 11 runs on it
• 1058[12:56:21] <nulld1g1t> it runs on debian SID, with a Kernel v5
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• 1060[12:56:51] <nulld1g1t> it rocks with the support of 32 logical cpu on a Netra T2000
• 1061[12:57:04] <nulld1g1t> htop never looked so cool :)
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• 1063[12:57:39] <mindlessmiss> htop
• 1064[12:57:51] <nulld1g1t> I was able to partition it to be used in raid1
• 1065[12:58:21] <nulld1g1t> there was a trick in the partitioning system as always on these exotic architectures
• 1066[12:59:13] <nulld1g1t> you need to create an empty partition of let's say 1 MB for the MBR (Master Boot Record)
• 1067[13:00:11] <nulld1g1t> mindlessmiss: htop is a great addition to top :)
• 1068[13:00:47] <mindlessmiss> that was meant to go in a search box lol
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• 1070[13:00:53] <mindlessmiss> but thanks
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• 1072[13:01:09] <nulld1g1t> :)
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• 1074[13:01:42] <nulld1g1t> in fact this is a search box with plenty of human beings
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• 1077[13:03:40] <mindlessmiss> true that 8-} but I don't wanna bother ppl with simple questions sometimes... coz i always have so many questions.. "htop" sounded familair
• 1078[13:04:00] <mindlessmiss> familiar* so I wanted to check what it was
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• 1093[13:18:42] <pirla> sorry, connection terminated
• 1094[13:19:48] <joepublic> good show on the T1 nulld1g1t
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• 1096[13:20:21] <nulld1g1t> hey joepublic :)
• 1097[13:20:30] <nulld1g1t> good to see you back
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• 1099[13:20:40] <nulld1g1t> success strike !
• 1100[13:20:47] <joepublic> wouldn't mind if someone let me haul one of those off as well
• 1101[13:20:55] <nulld1g1t> last night was long but I finally did it
• 1102[13:21:13] <nulld1g1t> you know what
• 1103[13:21:25] <joepublic> I saw your cat /proc/cpuinfo around midnight here (5am your time?), awesome
• 1104[13:21:48] <nulld1g1t> I have access to 6 brand new old stock StorEdge 3000 family if your interested
• 1105[13:22:07] <nulld1g1t> I am in France, so probably hahhaa
• 1106[13:22:59] <joepublic> not exactly local :)
• 1107[13:23:24] <nulld1g1t> shoot
• 1108[13:24:35] <joepublic> what sort of devices are those?
• 1109[13:26:12] <nulld1g1t> they are fiber chanel storage devices
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• 1111[13:27:12] <joepublic> no room in my current server rack (the footspace under my desk) for that
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• 1113[13:28:20] <mindlessmiss> whaaat.. there's always room to be made for random bits of hardware
• 1114[13:29:07] <joepublic> I am working on building a house to have more room
• 1115[13:29:23] <joepublic> as it is, to add a machine I have to get rid of an older one
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• 1117[13:29:29] <mindlessmiss> nice
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• 1127[13:39:30] <pirla> -
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• 1133[13:48:35] <tyzef40> hi guys !!! how are you? when i put "history" in my terminal, it show only the last 500 commands, is there any way to see the full history?
• 1134[13:49:01] <pirla> following replaced-url
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• 1142[13:54:47] <pirla> tyzef40, IIRC, is not possible to store more history than specified in the configuration file
• 1143[13:55:23] <pirla> That's because any extra entry is not saved (but fifo)
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• 1146[13:56:44] <tyzef40> pirla I see, well, thank you for your help !
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• 1148[13:57:40] <pirla> You're welcome. Don't take my help as definitive, tough
• 1149[13:57:47] <tyzef40> well\
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• 1162[14:05:33] <jim> what are the advantages, disadvantages and general info about signed kernel packages, versus unsigned?
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• 1164[14:06:25] <mindlessmiss> safer? more secure?
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• 1171[14:09:47] <jelly> jim: being able to use SecureBoot, and some time in the future maybe have a way to confirm only safe software is running your computer
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• 1173[14:10:21] <jelly> kernel and driver signage is one step
• 1174[14:10:41] <jim> so the signed one lets you use secure boot?
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• 1176[14:10:51] <ratrace> I wouldn't call it "safe software", but "software as intended by the vendor, unmodified"
• 1177[14:11:00] <ratrace> vendor being the one who signs the packages.
• 1178[14:11:21] <jelly> !secureboot
• 1179[14:11:50] <jim> unsecurebot, tell us about secoreboot!
• 1180[14:11:56] <jelly> dpkg, SecureBoot is <reply>see secure boot
• 1181[14:11:58] <dpkg> jelly: okay
• 1182[14:12:00] <jelly> !secureboot
• 1183[14:12:00] <dpkg> Secure boot is a hardware restriction feature of the UEFI specification. It prevents the loading of drivers/operating system loaders not signed with an accepted digital signature. While Debian 7 and later support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit systems, secure boot is currently not supported. See replaced-url
• 1184[14:12:23] <jelly> okay, that needs to be updated for Debian 10
• 1185[14:12:42] <jelly> which does, in fact, have support in the installer
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• 1187[14:13:37] <mindlessmiss> "vendors" have to pay to register and get a key right and this perhaps just another way for money grubbin grubbers to get paid.. which goes against the open source religions
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• 1189[14:14:17] <ratrace> "open source religions" have nothing against making money.
• 1190[14:14:35] <ratrace> even RMS, the Saint IGNUcius, said so.
• 1191[14:16:07] <mindlessmiss> isn't it sorta monopolising forcing vendors to acquire these keys
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• 1194[14:16:37] <mindlessmiss> idc my box all old asf mbr
• 1195[14:16:42] <ratrace> if it were, EU would impose hefty fines. so far MS is playing fair.
• 1196[14:17:16] <ratrace> and iirc RH/IBM or Canonical were/are to become a signing authority as well, so no monopoly there
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• 1199[14:19:42] <nulld1g1t> mindlessmiss: I agree with you, we were fine without this sh*t certificates in the bios
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• 1203[14:20:41] <nulld1g1t> total waste of cpu cycles
• 1204[14:20:53] <nulld1g1t> ;)
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• 1207[14:21:17] <jelly> but then you pretend "BIOS" is also a safe and well written piece of software that can be trusted
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• 1210[14:22:26] <joepublic> well, a few people use coreboot or libreboot, but yeah
• 1211[14:22:35] <mindlessmiss> good for nothing really anyways when most machines ive come across are simple to get around the s00per secure system
• 1212[14:22:45] <nulld1g1t> got to go chaps
• 1213[14:22:48] <nulld1g1t> see ya
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• 1215[14:23:02] <mindlessmiss> buhbye
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• 1287[15:12:33] <openbsdtai123> hello, I have installed a free, opensource collaborative text editor for Linux: sudo apt-get install gobby ; gobby and enter: 38.81.163.134. It is powered by #ircnow. We would welcome people to test the collaborative editor.
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• 1290[15:12:55] <jelly> ,v gobby
• 1291[15:12:56] <judd> Package: gobby on amd64 -- jessie: 0.5.0-4; stretch: 0.5.0-8.1; buster: 0.6.0~20170204~e5c2d1-3; sid: 0.6.0~20170204~e5c2d1-3
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• 1294[15:18:03] <jjakob> so I'm confused by how package names sort, I have a package from debian repos 1:1.4.5-2
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• 1296[15:18:29] <jelly> if you mean package versions
• 1297[15:18:37] <jelly> !epoch
• 1298[15:18:38] <dpkg> [epoch] a fixed point in a chronology or the start of an era. For example, y2k was a 2 digit year epoch. In Unix, epoch often refers to the time from which seconds are counted; epoch was is Jan 1 1970 and we will run out of 32 bit numbers for this on Jan 18 2038 (by which time we will have hopefully all migrated to 64-bit architectures). An epoch can also be used to help manage version numbering in Debian; ask me about <version epoch>.
• 1299[15:18:44] <jelly> !version epoch
• 1300[15:18:44] <dpkg> The version number of a package has a prepended number called the "epoch". It is only added when the system for upstream version numbers changes. Example: in sarge, X was version 6.8 but in etch it was 1.1 (xfree86->xorg). But 1 < 6, so we add an epoch "2:" to signify that everything with 2: is newer (if there is no : the epoch is assumed to be "0"). See section 5.6.12 of <policy> or ask me about <compare versions> <debian revision>.
• 1301[15:18:57] <jelly> !compare versions
• 1302[15:18:57] <dpkg> The canonical way to test whether one version string is considered greater than another is by testing an assertion such as «dpkg --compare-versions 1.1 gt 1.1~rc1 && echo true». See also replaced-url
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• 1304[15:19:10] <jelly> that thing.
• 1305[15:19:35] <jjakob> now I'm building a package with the latest upstream git sources that should replace this version
• 1306[15:19:41] <jelly> jjakob: 1: is the epoch part in this case.
• 1307[15:19:51] <jjakob> 1:1.4.5-2~git20200301
• 1308[15:20:35] <jelly> that git bit should probably be part of upstream version (left of - ), not debian revision (right of -)
• 1309[15:21:55] <jelly> and you probably want the upstream version to be greater than 1.4.5, but ~ makes things strictly lesser
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• 1311[15:22:50] <jelly> so, 1: then 1.4.5+git20200301 then -debianrevision. If you're packaging for Debian, that'd be -1
• 1312[15:23:01] <jjakob> cause I take debian's sources and import-orig from upstream (which is still at 1.4.5 but has unreleased patches)
• 1313[15:23:34] <jelly> something like 1:1.4.5+git20200301-0.jjakob.1 if it's your local package
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• 1315[15:24:02] <jjakob> it's for debian, yes. so + sorts greater than nothing, ~ lesser?
• 1316[15:24:18] <jelly> yes
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• 1318[15:24:36] <jjakob> sorry, not for debian, but for a distro based on debian
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• 1320[15:25:20] <jelly> if it's not destined for Debian you can ask in #packaging over on OFTC
• 1321[15:25:49] <jjakob> can it be -vyos1 or does it need to start with a number?
• 1322[15:26:29] <jelly> that works, but dpkg kind of complains if you don't start with a number, and if you don't separate with dots
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• 1325[15:26:49] <jelly> so you'd start with -0.vyos.1
• 1326[15:27:07] <jelly> (I personally prefer -0vyos1 but eh)
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• 1329[15:27:51] <brutser> hi, when i install latest debian on T450s lenovo laptop, I get this error upon boot: ACPI Error: Needed type [Reference], fount [Integer] 00000000c03b30c2 (20180810/exresop-69)
• 1330[15:28:13] <brutser> i googled and found the error is not critical at all, but still I would like to fix this
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• 1332[15:28:29] <jjakob> alright, that makes sense now. man deb-version's description of the sorting algorithm is confusing
• 1333[15:28:37] <jelly> jjakob: if vyos has multiple releases supported at the same time you can do something like bpo repo does
• 1334[15:29:26] <jjakob> it doesn't even mention the + sorts higher and ~ sorts lower
• 1335[15:29:28] <jelly> -0~vyos12+1 for 1.2
• 1336[15:29:33] <jelly> -0~vyos11+1 for 1.1
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• 1338[15:30:57] <jelly> + is similar to . really
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• 1340[15:31:01] <jjakob> hmm, I don't know
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• 1342[15:31:42] <jelly> ,v shellcheck
• 1343[15:31:43] <judd> Package: shellcheck on amd64 -- jessie: 0.3.4-3; stretch: 0.4.4-4; buster: 0.5.0-3; buster-backports: 0.7.0-2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 0.7.0-2+b1; sid: 0.7.0-2+b1
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• 1345[15:33:30] <jelly> jjakob: some maintainers also embed a short git commit hash in the upstream version part
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• 1347[15:33:35] <brutser> i found this comment which is true i guess: “ACPI Errors” normally occur when a newer kernel series exposes hardware functionality but doesn’t fully support it (yet). This is why they “disappear” with older kernels, and can generally be ignored.
• 1348[15:33:45] <jelly> ,v syslinux
• 1349[15:33:46] <judd> Package: syslinux on amd64 -- jessie: 3:6.03+dfsg-5+deb8u2; stretch: 3:6.03+dfsg-14.1+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 3:6.04~git20190206.bf6db5b4+dfsg1-1~bpo9+2; buster: 3:6.04~git20190206.bf6db5b4+dfsg1-1; bullseye: 3:6.04~git20190206.bf6db5b4+dfsg1-2; sid: 3:6.04~git20190206.bf6db5b4+dfsg1-2
• 1350[15:33:55] <brutser> can i somehow hide the acpi error message during boot?
• 1351[15:34:54] <jjakob> brutser: it can also be caused by dsdt table, bios update can maybe fix that
• 1352[15:34:59] <jelly> brutser: acpi errors can be differences in actual ACPI tables (for a piece of hardware and firmware) from ACPI specs.
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• 1354[15:35:25] <jelly> if hardware works well enough, just ignore them
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• 1356[15:35:26] <jjakob> I recompiled the dsdt table of a old hp laptop once to fix some errors
• 1357[15:35:30] <brutser> jjakob: i just updated the bios and thought also that would fix it
• 1358[15:36:18] <brutser> jelly: hardware seems to work fine, can i hide that acpi error during boot, i know i can just ignore, but my brain has problems with that :)
• 1359[15:36:37] <jjakob> but they were functional, not cosmetic. idk how you could hide it
• 1360[15:36:47] <jelly> I think the reason some do not appear with _older_ kernels, is because acpi interpreter in older kernels is less strict
• 1361[15:37:22] <jelly> brutser: you can try to mute all kernel messages on console
• 1362[15:37:23] <brutser> jjakob: if they are not cosmetic, then obviously i rather try to fix it
• 1363[15:37:24] <jelly> !printk
• 1364[15:37:24] <dpkg> rumour has it, printk is see docs for <sysctl> and adjust /etc/sysctl.conf kernel.printk (3 4 1 7 or so). You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. See replaced-url
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• 1367[15:38:18] <brutser> lot of reports here of the same thing: replaced-url
• 1368[15:38:28] <brutser> so i guess i just will have to ignore it?
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• 1371[15:38:40] <jelly> brutser: if that's your hw, you can also try asking in ##ibmthinkpad channel
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• 1374[15:39:31] <jelly> jjakob: aren't those syslinux package version beautiful!
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• 1377[15:40:12] <jelly> (you probably won't have +dfsg1 bits, but the rest is pretty much what you end up with)
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• 1379[15:41:58] <jjakob> yeah, I'm going with the -0~vyos13+1 but what doea that really do?
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• 1384[15:47:01] <jelly> if debian ever releases -1 of the same upstream version, it will replace your custom package (on a system that has debian repos enabled, duh)
• 1385[15:47:04] <HelloShitty_> Hello...
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• 1387[15:47:27] <HelloShitty_> I'm having issues logging in into my laptop account
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• 1389[15:47:38] <HelloShitty_> I can login into my daughter's acc
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• 1391[15:48:02] <HelloShitty_> But I can't login to my acc
• 1392[15:48:06] <jjakob> I have the +git part before so that shouldn't happen
• 1393[15:48:15] <EdePopede> HelloShitty_: forgot the password?
• 1394[15:48:17] <jelly> HelloShitty_: what happens when you do? Which desktop environment are you using?
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• 1396[15:48:31] <HelloShitty_> I enter my password and the login manager stays there forever
• 1397[15:48:39] <jelly> HelloShitty_: can you log in at the text console?
• 1398[15:48:44] <EdePopede> HelloShitty_: can ... yeah
• 1399[15:48:45] <HelloShitty_> Even after the disk activity led goes off
• 1400[15:48:59] <jelly> Ctrl-Alt-F1
• 1401[15:49:08] <HelloShitty_> I could a few minutes back
• 1402[15:49:17] <HelloShitty_> I mean, I can login in text mode
• 1403[15:49:19] <HelloShitty_> But
• 1404[15:49:31] <HelloShitty_> When I hit enter for password
• 1405[15:49:39] <HelloShitty_> The prompt should appear
• 1406[15:49:49] <jelly> and it does not?
• 1407[15:49:52] <HelloShitty_> But only the mouse icon is blinking
• 1408[15:50:00] <HelloShitty_> Not the mouse
• 1409[15:50:04] <HelloShitty_> The cursor
• 1410[15:50:18] <jelly> does the cursor move to the beginning of the next row?
• 1411[15:50:45] <HelloShitty_> After I hit enter, it shows that message about debian
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• 1413[15:51:02] <HelloShitty_> And then the cursor is blinking in the next line after that message
• 1414[15:51:14] <jelly> HelloShitty_: can you show a screenshot?
• 1415[15:51:15] <HelloShitty_> And I can login to my root acc with no problems
• 1416[15:51:30] <HelloShitty_> Yes
• 1417[15:51:33] <HelloShitty_> Gimme a second
• 1418[15:51:46] <jelly> !paste
• 1419[15:51:46] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
• 1420[15:51:55] <jelly> or imgur or wherever
• 1421[15:52:48] <HelloShitty_> replaced-url
• 1422[15:53:48] <HelloShitty_> I was thinking about to uninstall login manager and reinstall it
• 1423[15:53:55] <jelly> so you log in, get /etc/motd and even biff, and your shell seems to hang at some point before giving the prompt
• 1424[15:54:02] <HelloShitty_> But from text mode looks like I don't have access to Internet
• 1425[15:54:03] <jelly> it's not the login manager
• 1426[15:54:16] <jelly> it's something in your shell
• 1427[15:54:37] <HelloShitty_> But I can login with root and with my daughter's account
• 1428[15:54:47] <jelly> HelloShitty_: which login shell are you using? (Log in as root, "getent passwd narayan")
• 1429[15:54:48] <jjakob> ~/.bashrc ~/.profile
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• 1431[15:55:53] <HelloShitty_> I'm using bash
• 1432[15:56:18] <jjakob> maybe wrong home path set in /etc/passwd or home dir unaccessible/not mounted?
• 1433[15:56:31] <jelly> HelloShitty_: also, what happens if you press Ctrl-c after that "You have new mail."
• 1434[15:56:49] <HelloShitty_> I had mains power failure here at hone earlier today
• 1435[15:56:56] <HelloShitty_> Laptop shut off
• 1436[15:56:57] <jjakob> probably something should be in /var/log somewhere
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• 1438[15:57:20] <jelly> HelloShitty_: do any of these files exist: ls -ld ~narayan/.bash_profile ~narayan/.profile ~narayan/.bashrc
• 1439[15:57:30] <HelloShitty_> Yes
• 1440[15:57:36] <jelly> HelloShitty_: do that ls as root. Which ones?
• 1441[15:58:12] <HelloShitty_> .profile and .bashrc and .bash_aliases
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• 1443[15:58:43] <HelloShitty_> In root home?
• 1444[15:59:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1532
• 1445[15:59:23] <jelly> HelloShitty_: these are in your normal users home: ~narayan/.bash_profile ~narayan/.profile ~narayan/.bashrc
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• 1447[15:59:38] <HelloShitty_> Yes
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• 1450[16:00:51] <HelloShitty_> I already tried to run fsck but couldn't run due to mounted partitions
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• 1452[16:01:54] <jelly> HelloShitty_: if you less ~narayan/.profile, and your .bashrc and .bash_aliases too, does any of those look corrupted?
• 1453[16:02:19] <jelly> look at the contents from top to bottom
• 1454[16:02:37] <HelloShitty_> Let me take a look at them
• 1455[16:02:53] <jelly> if there's nothing immediately obvious,
• 1456[16:03:12] <jelly> HelloShitty_: then.. edit ~narayan/.bashrc (as root), add set -x as the first file, on top, write and exit the editor, kill all the processes of user narayan: "pkill -u narayan", and try to log in at the console again.
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• 1458[16:03:34] <jelly> as the first LINE
• 1459[16:03:45] <jjakob> you can force fsck at boot with a kernel parameter: replaced-url
• 1460[16:04:00] <jelly> !forcefsck
• 1461[16:04:00] <dpkg> To instruct your system to execute <fsck> on the next boot: "touch /forcefsck". Useful for checking the root filesystem for errors (via /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh). Alternatively, supply the -F option to shutdown(8) to create the /forcefsck advisory file, or include "forcefsck" at the kernel command line.
• 1462[16:04:25] <HelloShitty_> I already did the touch /fsck
• 1463[16:04:40] <jelly> that does nothing
• 1464[16:04:45] <jjakob> touch /forcefsck
• 1465[16:05:02] <HelloShitty_> And rebooted
• 1466[16:05:20] <jjakob> that's only for the root partition, you need to touch forcefsck on all filesystems (if you have separate home partition for example)
• 1467[16:05:33] <jelly> jjakob: I don't think that's how it works.
• 1468[16:05:42] <karlpinc> forcefsck only works with sysv init
• 1469[16:05:47] <jjakob> but fsck.mode=force is the systemd way
• 1470[16:06:15] <jjakob> jelly: I may be wrong
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• 1473[16:07:14] <karlpinc> jjakob: No, you're not wrong.
• 1474[16:07:30] <HelloShitty_> jelly
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• 1476[16:07:45] <HelloShitty_> As soon as I killed my user processes
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• 1478[16:07:56] <HelloShitty_> The login manager showed up
• 1479[16:08:01] <HelloShitty_> I mean, the gui
• 1480[16:08:04] <karlpinc> man systemd-fsck
• 1481[16:08:08] <jelly> HelloShitty_: that's fine, go back to Ctrl-Alt-F1
• 1482[16:08:27] <jelly> and continue
• 1483[16:08:31] <HelloShitty_> Now the prompt is already there
• 1484[16:08:44] <jelly> or Ctrl-Alt-F2 if you have root on first console
• 1485[16:09:01] <jelly> (keeping the root shell open and handy)
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• 1487[16:09:25] <HelloShitty_> Ok, I get it
• 1488[16:09:33] <HelloShitty_> I see what going wrong
• 1489[16:09:48] <HelloShitty_> It's another weird behaviour with my terminal
• 1490[16:09:54] <jelly> set -x should show commands from bash rc files, and the one that hangs
• 1491[16:09:56] <HelloShitty_> This also happens in GUI
• 1492[16:10:35] <HelloShitty_> I have a few applications starting from my .profile file
• 1493[16:10:45] <HelloShitty_> And after the last major Debian update
• 1494[16:10:59] <HelloShitty_> When I start any application within screen
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• 1496[16:11:20] <HelloShitty_> This happens of the cursor not going to a new line with the prompt
• 1497[16:11:25] <jelly> you can write a whole sentence to irc and only then press Enter, too!
• 1498[16:11:31] <HelloShitty_> It stays like that screen I showed you
• 1499[16:11:48] <HelloShitty_> Ok
• 1500[16:12:04] <jelly> can you show the screenshot of the last log in attempt?
• 1501[16:12:14] <HelloShitty_> But this never stopped me of logging in into my desktop environment
• 1502[16:12:42] <HelloShitty_> I think I can. It's in this situation of the screen command
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• 1506[16:13:36] <HelloShitty_> replaced-url
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• 1508[16:13:55] <EdePopede> HelloShitty_: the prompt not reappearing may also be from started background jobs. just press enter to see if it comes back.
• 1509[16:14:03] <jelly> avoid putting crap in your ~/.bashrc, and if you do make sure things are not started multiple times
• 1510[16:14:29] <HelloShitty_> It's not in bashrc is in .profile
• 1511[16:14:44] <HelloShitty_> But this is some problem with screen
• 1512[16:14:50] <jelly> HelloShitty_: if what you REALLY want is start a detached screen session at boot, you can use a @reboot cron job, or a systemd timer unit maybe
• 1513[16:15:06] <jelly> one of mine:
• 1514[16:15:11] <jelly> @reboot screen -dmS vpns -c .screenrc-vpns
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• 1516[16:15:36] <HelloShitty_> That's in cron?
• 1517[16:15:37] <jelly> the custom screenrc determines what actually gets run inside.
• 1518[16:15:58] <HelloShitty_> Ok, I can try to remove this now and see if I can login
• 1519[16:15:59] <jelly> that's from crontab of my normal user yes
• 1520[16:16:49] <jelly> I suspect you don't actually want one rtorrent starting every time you log in.
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• 1522[16:17:05] <jelly> but have only one running in total
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• 1524[16:17:56] <HelloShitty_> Well, when I reboot, that rtorrent is shut down
• 1525[16:18:11] <jelly> in an ideal world you'd configure a per-user systemd service unit for rtorrent. @reboot cron job is often good enough.
• 1526[16:18:12] <HelloShitty_> Do, when I reboot, only one will be started
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• 1528[16:18:16] <jjakob> yeah, avoid starting any programs inside .profile or .bashrc
• 1529[16:18:43] <jjakob> use services or desktop autostart for that
• 1530[16:18:48] <jelly> HelloShitty_: so make sure to run it after reboot, instead of running it every time bash starts.
• 1531[16:18:50] <HelloShitty_> Ok, I'll try to change that if this is really the problem
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• 1533[16:19:09] <uebera||> Hi. Is there a Debian guideline or best practice where to put an *architecture-independent* script (originally called from a systemd service)?
• 1534[16:19:10] <uebera||> I see that, e.g., clevis-luks-askpass (which is built as an architecture-dependent package although the contained script is a generic one AFAIK)
• 1535[16:19:12] <uebera||> puts its script into /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/, but this looks wrong to me for a "clevis-zfs-askpass_all.deb" 'variant'.
• 1536[16:19:31] <jelly> uebera||: /usr/share/packagename is a-okay
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• 1538[16:19:51] <uebera||> jelly: Thanks!
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• 1541[16:21:49] <openbsdtai123> Hello, we have used debian in order to offer free OPENSHARELATEX. Could you test it with gobby to tell if it works. Welcome. Here the replaced-url
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• 1544[16:22:24] <jelly> openbsdtai123: are you going to have more advertisements today?
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• 1547[16:23:12] <openbsdtai123> likely this is the only one for today. you may type: "/ignore openbsdtai123".
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• 1549[16:23:29] <jelly> openbsdtai123: this was the second one, that's why I'm asking.
• 1550[16:23:31] <joepublic> that's not the only thing that could be typed, actually
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• 1552[16:24:02] <dvs> openbsdtai123, or he can kickban you
• 1553[16:24:08] <jelly> openbsdtai123: I might use /mode #debian +q openbsdtai123!*@* instead, and I don't want to.
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• 1555[16:24:27] <openbsdtai123> please ban me if you want.
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• 1558[16:24:55] <joepublic> Thanks for using debian, btw
• 1559[16:25:30] <openbsdtai123> anytime. I hoped that the mod will appreciate the effort to offer opensource opensharelatex ... but I expect to be ban.
• 1560[16:25:33] <EdePopede> openbsdtai123: "Could you", i could but i won't for sure.
• 1561[16:25:39] <jelly> openbsdtai123: if you limit the number to say once a week I won't mind.
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• 1564[16:26:15] <openbsdtai123> it would be nice. once that people create lot of work for the opensource community. the repression is a normal human thing.
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• 1566[16:26:54] <jelly> openbsdtai123: this is primarily a tech support channel, announcements of services isn't really support. #debian-offtopic would be better for those.
• 1567[16:26:54] <joepublic> you seem to have an oppression focus, yet you don't seem to be oppressed currently. Be encouraged.
• 1568[16:26:58] <EdePopede> openbsdtai123: then you maybe should firat of all stop advertising for it like for some commercial crap which isn't worth the money
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• 1570[16:28:07] <EdePopede> openbsdtai123: and if you want to spread the word maybe you should contact bloggers, influencers, IT and FOSS magazines to have it tested
• 1571[16:28:26] <joepublic> please don't /msg without asking first; thanks.
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• 1574[16:30:00] <EdePopede> openbsdtai123: and your "we" could as well be chinese government, NSA or a scammer group. in fact you're reducing the credibility of the project with such actions. for alternatives see my former statement.
• 1575[16:30:36] <HelloShitty_> jelly so I only need to type in cron tab @reboot screen -S rtorrent -fs -D -m rtorrent
• 1576[16:30:42] <HelloShitty_> ?
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• 1579[16:36:25] <jelly> HelloShitty_: something like that, yes
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• 1581[16:37:34] <jelly> HelloShitty_: your command like for screen might be incorrect in the case there's a screen -S rtorrent already running, I don't know what -f and -D do precisely.
• 1582[16:38:23] <EdePopede> jelly: seems -f is flow control
• 1583[16:38:41] <EdePopede> -D -r Reattach a session. If necessary detach and logout remotely first.
• 1584[16:38:41] <jelly> apparently I never had to mess with that.
• 1585[16:38:46] <EdePopede> this one could be it
• 1586[16:39:28] <jelly> those -D have different meanings depending on whether in combination with -r or -R.
• 1587[16:39:31] <EdePopede> -D -m This also starts screen in "detached" mode, but doesn't fork a new process. The command exits if the session terminates.
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• 1589[16:39:46] <jelly> screen -dmS is idiomatic.
• 1590[16:39:46] <EdePopede> oh... but yes, screen is good in having -x and -y, but also -x y
• 1591[16:39:59] <jelly> (and listed in short help: screen -h)
• 1592[16:41:16] <EdePopede> i only use one single session so far, but i'm thinking of splitting it up. starting it with an alias after login (can't even remember what it does) and as long as the GUI doesn't crash or i press the X....
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• 1605[16:46:27] <jjakob> gbp import-orig ... failed: Currently not on a branch
• 1606[16:46:47] <jjakob> I can't do that on a tag (detached head)?
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• 1612[16:49:06] <HelloShitty> jelly: I'm afraid that services are starting with crontab but for instance, for irssi, it complains that it cannot connect because it can't find any addresses for the hosts I have in each network
• 1613[16:49:35] <HelloShitty> I'm not sure if it's starting irssi too soon an no omin services were yet started or what might be the problm
• 1614[16:49:38] <jjakob> then create a systemd service that has After=networking.service
• 1615[16:49:39] <jelly> jjakob: reminder: #packaging on irc.oftc.net in case there're no actual devs awake here
• 1616[16:49:55] <HelloShitty> I also tried to start one other service which is a bitcoin full node and it didn't start
• 1617[16:50:05] <jjakob> or maybe there's a network up tarhet better suited
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• 1619[16:50:10] <HelloShitty> is there any log file related to cron that can tell me what went wrong?
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• 1623[16:50:52] <jjakob> After=network-online.target
• 1624[16:50:55] <jelly> HelloShitty: cron will send you mail with command's output, but only after the command ends.
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• 1626[16:51:14] <HelloShitty> How it knows my mail?
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• 1629[16:51:21] <HelloShitty> Or is it the system mail?
• 1630[16:51:31] <jelly> HelloShitty: you need a local MTA installed, and it delivers to local user.
• 1631[16:51:34] <jelly> by default.
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• 1634[16:52:02] <jjakob> HelloShitty: all I can think of is to create a systemd service with After=network-online.target
• 1635[16:52:06] <HelloShitty> I never used cron so I think I have never set that
• 1636[16:52:13] <jelly> HelloShitty: ls -ld /var/mail/narayan ... does that exist now?
• 1637[16:52:35] <jelly> HelloShitty: do you have a MTA installed? dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail
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• 1639[16:53:21] <HelloShitty> the /var/mail exists
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• 1641[16:53:36] <jelly> then you can read mails in there with, say, mutt
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• 1644[16:54:53] <HelloShitty> jeezzz
• 1645[16:55:01] <HelloShitty> that file is 43Mb
• 1646[16:55:16] <jelly> that's not much.
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• 1649[16:55:23] <HelloShitty> it's huge to open, no?
• 1650[16:55:27] <jelly> no.
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• 1652[16:55:32] <jelly> just run "mutt"
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• 1654[16:56:07] <HelloShitty> it says /home/myuser/Mail doesn't exist
• 1655[16:56:12] <HelloShitty> I on't understand
• 1656[16:56:21] <jelly> it's okay to create that directory once.
• 1657[16:56:37] <HelloShitty> ok
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• 1660[16:57:58] <HelloShitty> I have tons of items from something I don't use for so long
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• 1662[16:58:34] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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• 1664[16:58:53] <HelloShitty> Can't I delete all this shit?
• 1665[16:58:55] <EdePopede> HelloShitty: one of the reasons why i always do clean installs. gives me the chance to rebuild my $HOME
• 1666[16:59:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1524
• 1667[16:59:06] <jelly> HelloShitty: you can.
• 1668[16:59:24] * EdePopede would move it to some backup dir, just in case...
• 1669[16:59:27] <jelly> HelloShitty: but you wanted to know what went wrong with some of those cron jobs.
• 1670[16:59:34] <HelloShitty> I don't format or install from scratch my laptop like for 6 years or more
• 1671[16:59:44] <HelloShitty> yes jelly
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• 1674[17:00:56] <joepublic> I've had the same /home for years and years
• 1675[17:00:59] <jelly> I haven't installed this machine from scratch since 2001.
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• 1678[17:01:21] <HelloShitty> yeah
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• 1680[17:01:45] <jelly> I think the installation was slink, Debian 2.1
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• 1682[17:02:09] <HelloShitty> So, how can I delete all these mails from this thing I don't use anymore?
• 1683[17:02:13] <joepublic> that's debian credibility right there. first one I used extensively was woody.
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• 1686[17:02:20] <jelly> HelloShitty: which thing?
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• 1688[17:02:39] <jelly> HelloShitty: is there something in the mail Subjects to select them on that?
• 1689[17:02:40] <EdePopede> couldn't get hamm to use my isdn box, whatever the reason was.
• 1690[17:02:43] <HelloShitty> ./bin/bash: /usr/lib/prey/prey.sh: No such file or directory
• 1691[17:02:49] <HelloShitty> this is what messages says
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• 1693[17:03:33] <jelly> HelloShitty: go back to index. press D then type: ~b prey.sh, then press Enter, then press $
• 1694[17:03:54] <jelly> HelloShitty: q to go back to index from viewing a message
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• 1696[17:04:42] <HelloShitty> ok, one
• 1697[17:04:43] <HelloShitty> thanks
• 1698[17:04:56] <jelly> ~b does a search in message body, is somewhat slow. It's faster to select things by subject if you can.
• 1699[17:05:01] <HelloShitty> I'll check this mail thing every now and then
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• 1702[17:05:28] <HelloShitty> Anyways, I couldn't find anything related to cron
• 1703[17:05:29] <HelloShitty> I guess
• 1704[17:05:48] <jelly> did you scroll down to latest mails?
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• 1706[17:05:56] <HelloShitty> yes
• 1707[17:06:07] <jelly> and there was nothing cron related?
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• 1709[17:06:21] <HelloShitty> most of the last emails are Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
• 1710[17:06:29] <jelly> ouch
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• 1712[17:06:44] <jelly> were there any from today or so?
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• 1715[17:06:57] <HelloShitty> yes, one
• 1716[17:07:10] <jelly> which MTA is installed?
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• 1718[17:07:43] <HelloShitty> What is MTA? I'm sorry, I just don't know
• 1719[17:07:55] <jelly> dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail
• 1720[17:07:55] <dpkg> You Fool! /usr/sbin/sendmail is installed!
• 1721[17:08:06] <jelly> dpkg: hush
• 1722[17:08:06] <dpkg> Fine, I'll shut up.
• 1723[17:08:13] <HelloShitty> $ dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail
• 1724[17:08:16] <HelloShitty> exim4-daemon-light: /usr/sbin/sendmail
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• 1726[17:08:21] <jelly> so, exim.
• 1727[17:08:21] <joepublic> :Mail Transport Agent:
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• 1729[17:08:42] <HelloShitty> hum, ok
• 1730[17:08:47] <jelly> that's what accepts mails from cron and delivers them to unix inbox in /var/mail/$USER
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• 1732[17:08:57] <BadLuckBob> me says lose dot . before /bin... "<HelloShitty> ./bin/bash: /usr/lib/prey/prey.sh: No such file or directory"
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• 1735[17:09:52] <HelloShitty> What you mean BadLuckBob ?
• 1736[17:10:08] <jelly> BadLuckBob: doesn't matter if they don't even use that prey.sh thing any more
• 1737[17:10:43] <BadLuckBob> I think ./bin/bas should be /bin/bas
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• 1739[17:11:05] <BadLuckBob> bas=bash
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• 1741[17:11:14] <joepublic> that clarifies things, thank you
• 1742[17:11:44] <joepublic> "./bin" means "the bin under whatever the current working directory is", whereas "/bin" means "/bin"
• 1743[17:12:10] <jelly> people sometimes put a weird character in front of / when they paste things to irc
• 1744[17:12:23] <HelloShitty> yes
• 1745[17:12:28] <HelloShitty> otherwise it sees as a command
• 1746[17:12:36] <HelloShitty> and it oesn't send th text to the channel
• 1747[17:12:50] <jelly> HelloShitty: you can try putting another / : //bin/bash
• 1748[17:12:51] <BadLuckBob> joepublic: Ok, i assumed he wanted [root]/bin.
• 1749[17:12:54] <jelly> /bin/bash
• 1750[17:13:01] <jelly> wfm
• 1751[17:13:04] <Dagger> unless you hit ctrl+enter or prepend "/say", or however your client does it
• 1752[17:13:12] <HelloShitty> ok
• 1753[17:13:20] <jelly> and then you won't be confusing BadLuckBob any more
• 1754[17:13:30] <HelloShitty> anyways, I don't find any cron relate messages
• 1755[17:13:40] <jelly> oh well.
• 1756[17:13:46] <jelly> it was worth a try.
• 1757[17:13:46] * BadLuckBob needs delicate treatment
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• 1759[17:14:22] <joepublic> I assumed the same, sorry, expressed it poorly. I meant "I get what you are saying"
• 1760[17:14:59] <joepublic> expressing things poorly, though a specialty of mine, is not great for support tasks.
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• 1762[17:15:13] <annadane> !coffee joepublic
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• 1764[17:15:13] * dpkg decants a fine broth of organic Tanzanian for joepublic, courtesy of annadane
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• 1768[17:15:52] <joepublic> thanks. need that :)
• 1769[17:16:24] <jelly> HelloShitty: if your cron jobs hide output, like "0 0 * * * some command >/dev/null 2>&1" you won't get mails
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• 1771[17:17:19] <countdr> Does apt-cacher work with deb-file ?
• 1772[17:17:20] <HelloShitty> no
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• 1774[17:17:45] <HelloShitty> it was simply @reboot screen -S bitcoind -fa -D -m bitcoind
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• 1782[17:19:16] <HelloShitty> Also, as I was saying back there, starting irssi from within cron is not being able to connect to the networks I have set in my irssi
• 1783[17:19:34] <HelloShitty> it says that couln't find any address to the host
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• 1786[17:19:53] <HelloShitty> or something like that. I had to connect manually later after I logged in
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• 1794[17:21:27] <jjakob> HelloShitty: I'd use a systemd service
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• 1797[17:21:59] <HelloShitty> I have to check for that then, too
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• 1799[17:22:01] <HelloShitty> :p
• 1800[17:22:27] <jelly> HelloShitty: probably means network is not up yet, that can probably be expressed better in a systemd unit
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• 1803[17:22:53] <jjakob> yeah, I wrote above, After=network-online.target
• 1804[17:23:08] <jelly> if I had to do that, I'd write a command line to wait_for_network-online and use it in cron job :-)
• 1805[17:23:16] <HelloShitty> What should I be searching the web for to know about how to do that?
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• 1807[17:23:48] <jjakob> "systemd how to start service after network online"
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• 1810[17:24:09] <jhutchins> HelloShitty: Remember that system cron does not have the same environment as your login shell.
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• 1814[17:24:34] <jjakob> of course it depends on working network-online.target (networkmanager and distro defaults should)
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• 1818[17:25:55] <HelloShitty> heheh
• 1819[17:26:05] <HelloShitty> I think it's going to be an harder task than it seems
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• 1822[17:26:26] <jhutchins> ... which is probably what's stopping irssi host resolution.
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• 1870[17:57:11] <HelloShitty> ok, so let me see if I understand systemd thing to start the services
• 1871[17:57:32] <HelloShitty> We create a file with the name of the service we want to start, prepened by .service
• 1872[17:57:37] <HelloShitty> is this correct?
• 1873[17:57:48] <HelloShitty> in /etc/systemd/system
• 1874[17:58:18] <zatumil_> could you tell cron to start after network?
• 1875[17:58:34] <HelloShitty> for instance, /etc/systemd/system/rtorrent.service
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• 1878[17:59:17] <HelloShitty> I want to avoid to delay the boot up time
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• 1880[17:59:59] <HelloShitty> I've been reading that these mothods might delay the boot up time if allthe devices takes more time to get up and IPs assigned than usual
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• 1883[18:03:12] <celphi> does debian not support amd radeon rx5700?
• 1884[18:04:23] <dvs> celphi, You'll probably need a backported kernel for that.
• 1885[18:04:44] <celphi> what does that mean
• 1886[18:05:09] <dvs> !backports
• 1887[18:05:09] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
• 1888[18:05:23] <celphi> this computer is 1 week old
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• 1890[18:05:42] <joepublic> happy 1 week birthday
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• 1893[18:06:24] <celphi> but i would need to backport for hardware that is that new?
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• 1895[18:06:53] <joepublic> backports will have a kernel that is newer, to support your newer hardware, is the idea
• 1896[18:06:59] <dvs> That is EXACTLY why you would need a backported kernel
• 1897[18:07:12] <celphi> ok how do i do it?
• 1898[18:07:35] <joepublic> dpkg, debian-backports
• 1899[18:07:35] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <buster backports>) and oldstable (<stretch backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
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• 1901[18:07:46] <karlpinc> celphi: Go to backports.debian.org and follow the instructions.
• 1902[18:07:55] <jelly> !bpo kernel
• 1903[18:07:56] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the <buster-backports> repository. After modifying your sources.list, run «apt update». To install the current backported kernel: «apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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• 1905[18:08:14] <celphi> Ok thank you!
• 1906[18:08:33] <celphi> Is there a way to see if this graphics card is listed before installing a bunch of stuff?
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• 1910[18:09:38] <karlpinc> celphi: It is probably easier to just try the new kernel. It's not like the old kernels will go away. You can always undo just by un-installing the backported kernel.
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• 1912[18:10:00] <celphi> ok thanks for advice! ill do it
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• 1919[18:11:38] <quarterback_> Hello, I got a unable to read beyond hd0 error at boot and a grub prompt. How to fix this?
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• 1923[18:12:17] <jelly> celphi: in general if you want decent Linux support, don't buy consumer hardware that's been on the market for less than 6-12 months
• 1924[18:12:20] <quarterback_> A boot repair iso file seems to fix this. This error is somewhat new to me.
• 1925[18:12:30] <quarterback_> Is this a HDD error a file system error?
• 1926[18:12:38] <jelly> latest gen of anything, expect problems.
• 1927[18:13:30] <celphi> thanks jelly
• 1928[18:13:41] <quarterback_> The hdd seems to read at the same sector over and over again at boot after which it stops at grub prompt.
• 1929[18:13:55] <jelly> quarterback_: probably a grub configuration error or you have a usb hdd/stick plugged in that BIOS puts first in boot order
• 1930[18:14:15] <jelly> or bios order of disks changed at some point
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• 1932[18:14:36] <celphi> jelly how do i know which package to install?
• 1933[18:14:45] <celphi> i added repo to source.list
• 1934[18:14:50] <quarterback_> jelly, I dont have usb plugged in at the moment. I am now on another machine.
• 1935[18:15:05] <quarterback_> jelly, or is it due to hdd heating up?
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• 1938[18:15:39] <dvs> !tell celphi about bpo kernel
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• 1942[18:17:22] <quarterback_> jelly, I didn't reconfigure grub after it was booting properly lot of times. Still I got that error.I dont know how grub got corrupted.
• 1943[18:18:13] <celphi> dvs replaced-url
• 1944[18:18:17] <quarterback_> jelly, Is trying this the solution? replaced-url
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• 1946[18:20:05] <quarterback_> jelly, A tutorial to fix this is here: replaced-url
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• 1948[18:20:16] <quarterback_> I hope it works as I am wanting to try it.
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• 1950[18:20:55] <dvs> celphi, you didn't put in the backquote before uname
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• 1952[18:21:18] <dvs> linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`
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• 1961[18:23:37] <Ooze> Hi. How might I create a partition for /opt during Debian 10 installation? I only have options for /home, /var, /tmp
• 1962[18:23:50] <jelly> quarterback_: I do not know whether random instructions on internet are "the solution". Would advocate learning grub command line and fixing things manually booted from a live linux of some sort.
• 1963[18:25:07] <quarterback_> jelly, That's what I'm doing.
• 1964[18:25:29] <ratrace> Ooze: you can leave the partition alone, then set it up after installation. /opt is not needed during installation
• 1965[18:25:41] <quarterback_> It seems the fix works only for ubuntu and may only support a older kernel.
• 1966[18:26:27] <Ooze> Alright, I'll do that then. Thanks ratrace
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• 1968[18:27:52] <celphi> dvs after i do that-- my drivers should be now installed?
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• 1970[18:28:11] <dvs> celphi, you have to reboot into the new kernel
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• 1972[18:28:49] <dvs> celphi, actually, you may need the firmware-amd-graphics from backports as well
• 1973[18:28:52] <celphi> o0k be right back
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• 1975[18:29:24] <ratrace> what about the xorg driver?
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• 1977[18:29:38] <celphi> oh where do i get that dvs
• 1978[18:29:52] <dvs> celphi, same place as the new kernel
• 1979[18:29:54] <celphi> just apt-get install firmware-amd-graphics?
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• 1981[18:30:38] <dvs> celphi, apt -t buster-backports install firmware-amd-graphics
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• 1983[18:31:12] <celphi> already installed
• 1984[18:31:18] <dvs> ok
• 1985[18:31:19] <celphi> so reboot?
• 1986[18:31:23] <dvs> yes
• 1987[18:31:25] <ratrace> dvs: what about the xorg driver? does it need a new(est) one too?
• 1988[18:31:36] <celphi> ya do i need xorg driver?
• 1989[18:31:50] <dvs> not sure
• 1990[18:31:56] <celphi> ok we try without first
• 1991[18:32:00] <celphi> be right back
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• 2000[18:36:49] <celphi> My screen stuck. Just a blinking cursor in top left
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• 2006[18:40:03] <celphi> dvs?
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• 2010[18:40:31] <Twemlow> hello??
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• 2012[18:41:25] <Twemlow> hi?
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• 2021[18:43:34] <Twemlow> ?
• 2022[18:43:38] <EdePopede> !ask
• 2023[18:43:38] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 2024[18:43:43] <EdePopede> and hi
• 2025[18:44:29] <Ooze> What's the most advisable way to create a new parition? /opt already exists, would like to relocate this
• 2026[18:44:29] <Twemlow> no, no, im just testing an apllication to capture peoples IP addresses and i needed someone to talk back xD
• 2027[18:44:34] <joepublic> dpkg, hello
• 2028[18:44:34] <dpkg> hi, joepublic
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• 2038[18:49:14] <yumil> is learning shell scripting of any value?
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• 2041[18:49:53] <nkuttler> yumil: only you can answer that for yourself
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• 2043[18:50:20] <brutser> hi, i have debian as my host OS and i run qemu-kvm - now I plan to install debian on the guest as well, i can use some advise what to install to make it run smooth: like is there something like virtualbox guest additions for KVM? can i make it share a folder on the host, can i make it full screen etc?
• 2044[18:50:33] <nkuttler> i push some code to prod regularly with a bash script..
• 2045[18:50:35] <annadane> yumil, clearly yes or people wouldn't do it
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• 2047[18:51:08] <annadane> also, ##programming
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• 2051[18:53:06] <epsilon> brutser: you can offer a share with samba or NFS on the host and mount in the guest
• 2052[18:53:52] <brutser> epsilon: ok will look that up
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• 2054[18:54:22] <learnin> you can use libvirt to manage most stuff too
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• 2059[18:55:35] <brutser> learnin: can you point me to some article that explains how to use libvirt to 'smoothen' the working with the guest os?
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• 2062[18:56:02] <brutser> i come from virtualbox, so those guest additions were easy to use and configure
• 2063[18:56:14] <brutser> but i prefer to switch to qemu-kvm
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• 2066[18:57:40] <learnin> replaced-url
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• 2071[19:02:06] <jelly> quarterback_: see if you can
• 2072[19:02:49] <TwemlowG> does anyone know some good chatrooms to go to, linux related
• 2073[19:02:54] <jelly> pick the correct device to continue booting, by asking grub to root (hd<TAB> ... and ls contents of those disks and partitions
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• 2085[19:14:56] <quarterback_> jelly, I am trying the boot disk repair and it is detecting OS's and it takes too long.
• 2086[19:16:07] <quarterback_> jelly, I did select hd0,1 to boot. When I type insmod linux or insmod normal, it hangs showing that there is no partitiou as .../i386/ms dos
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• 2104[19:20:47] <quarterback_> jelly, Something strange happened because of overtemp of hdd or a hacked os.
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• 2109[19:23:55] <quarterback_> jelly, Is reinstall the solution?
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• 2113[19:25:09] <quarterback_> brb
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• 2117[19:28:09] <jelly> quarterback_: too early to say. I'd boot some live linux cd/usb and investigate there.
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• 2122[19:29:28] <quarterback_> jelly, It is taking lot of time to detect os on hdd.
• 2123[19:29:35] <quarterback_> jelly, it is nearly an hour
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• 2128[19:31:57] <joepublic> it is more polite not to ping someone's nick unless there is a specific reason, because some people get an audible beep or desktop notifications when someone mentions their name.
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• 2137[19:37:38] <petn-randall> joepublic: Really depends on the context. If you have a generic support question, it's better to ask everyone (not highlighting anyone) in this channel. If you're replying to what someone wrote, it's completely fine to highlight them.
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• 2142[19:38:13] <joepublic> Just throwing the concept out there because some may not consider it. You are exactly right, of course.
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• 2158[19:47:01] <celphi> My new installation after installing backports now has blinking cursor in top left corner-- any suggestions?
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• 2163[19:47:43] <nkuttler> top left of what?
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• 2167[19:52:31] <ratrace> screen. sounds like trouble with modeset or something else gpu related; usually indicates inability to switch to graphical tty
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• 2174[19:57:01] <jelly> quarterback_: ah, that might indeed point to hardware issues
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• 2196[20:10:00] <acebrianjuan> Hi all
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• 2198[20:10:25] <acebrianjuan> Is Debian 4.19.98-1 x86_64 faily old?
• 2199[20:10:31] <acebrianjuan> *fairly
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• 2201[20:11:13] <acebrianjuan> How can I check the release date of a particular Debian version?
• 2202[20:11:23] <JPT> lsb_release -a might help you figuring this out.
• 2203[20:11:33] <JPT> Debian 4 ways probably more than a decade ago
• 2204[20:11:38] <JPT> *was
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• 2206[20:12:14] <acebrianjuan> But if I don't have access to the debian machine right now, can I check the release date on-line?
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• 2208[20:12:40] <nkuttler> acebrianjuan: where did you get that string from?
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• 2210[20:13:02] <nkuttler> acebrianjuan: fwiw, cat /etc/debian_version
• 2211[20:13:06] <acebrianjuan> from an email from a colleague
• 2212[20:13:19] <JPT> For a list of existing releases, this may help you out: replaced-url
• 2213[20:13:25] <nkuttler> acebrianjuan: so ask them where it's from
• 2214[20:13:31] <met> 4.19.98 looks more like a kernel version - debian 10 (buster, current stable) ships with kernel 4.19
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• 2216[20:13:39] <nkuttler> yeah..
• 2217[20:14:00] <JPT> I assume it is safe to say that Debian 4 on x86_64 is really unlikely
• 2218[20:14:13] <acebrianjuan> ah, so it could be a new debian?
• 2219[20:14:25] <acebrianjuan> like, the latest version
• 2220[20:14:35] <nkuttler> acebrianjuan: it's impossible to say anything reliable based on the info you gave us
• 2221[20:14:42] <acebrianjuan> but my colleague sent me the kernel version maybe?
• 2222[20:14:50] <acebrianjuan> nkuttler: yes, I know
• 2223[20:14:53] <JPT> If that string contains the kernel version, then probably yes. But still, ask for lsb_release -a, uname -a and perhaps some more
• 2224[20:14:54] <acebrianjuan> apologies
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• 2228[20:15:32] <nkuttler> the kernel version is also pretty meaningless, you can install non-packaged kernels etc
• 2229[20:16:02] <acebrianjuan> JPT: thank you
• 2230[20:16:16] <JPT> Take that guess with a grain of salt until you're certain :)
• 2231[20:16:30] <met> ,v linux-image
• 2232[20:16:32] <judd> No package named 'linux-image' was found in amd64.
• 2233[20:16:55] <met> ,v linux-image-amd64
• 2234[20:16:56] <nkuttler> ,kernels
• 2235[20:16:56] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u10; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u1~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u3; buster-backports: 5.4.13-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.4.19-1; sid: 5.4.19-1; experimental: 5.5~rc5-1~exp1
• 2236[20:16:57] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.5.0-rc5-686 (5.5~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 5.4.0-4-686-pae (5.4.19-1); bullseye: 5.4.0-4-686-pae (5.4.19-1); buster-backports: 5.4.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (5.4.13-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-8-686 (4.19.98-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2+deb10u2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-12-686-pae (4.9.210-1); jessie-backports:
• 2237[20:16:58] <judd> 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2~deb8u1)
• 2238[20:18:05] <acebrianjuan> so, buster maybe?
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• 2245[20:19:59] <nkuttler> acebrianjuan: flip a coin
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• 2247[20:21:16] <jelly> !debian suite
• 2248[20:21:16] <dpkg> cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions.
• 2249[20:21:21] <JPT> You can ask for more information and then you'll get a rough idea. Anyways, if that machine was set up fairly recently, it's probably Debian 10 (or perhaps Debian 9)
• 2250[20:21:39] <jelly> 4.19.x is default kernel in Debian 10
• 2251[20:23:54] <Tzen> does kernel ever change typically?
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• 2253[20:24:22] <JPT> Within one Debian release, usually only minor versions get increased a bit
• 2254[20:24:59] <JPT> I guess there's a reason why the current "stable" release is called "stable".
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• 2256[20:25:52] <FesterJester> I am trying to temporarily mount a samba share from the command line. Problem is, 'mount -t smbfs' gives 'unknown filesystem type smbfs' What package am I missing?
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• 2258[20:26:22] <somiaj> I think it is called cifs now
• 2259[20:26:59] <JPT> +1 on that, try cifs
• 2260[20:27:12] <somiaj> you need the package cifs-utils and the binary is /sbin/mount.cifs
• 2261[20:27:26] <somiaj> (which is what mount -t cifs calls)
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• 2266[20:29:34] <FesterJester> OK, one step closer. I knew it would be something simple I was missing.
• 2267[20:29:41] <FesterJester> Thank you
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• 2280[20:40:14] <FesterJester> Hmm...Now it's telling me 'host is down', yet smbclient connects fine.
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• 2309[20:53:42] <dob1> should I edit /etc/systemd/timesyncd.conf and add an ntp server?
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• 2313[20:55:06] <dob1> NTP service: active it says in status
• 2314[20:55:12] <dob1> but I didn't enter any ntp server
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• 2324[21:03:52] <tomreyn> dob1: should be configured in /etc/systemd/timesyncd.conf
• 2325[21:04:38] <tomreyn> use "timedatectl status" to query synchronization status
• 2326[21:05:08] <dob1> tomreyn, there is nothing there (it's all commented out)
• 2327[21:05:42] <tomreyn> then "timedatectl status" will probably report that its not being synched, or not in synch
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• 2331[21:07:20] <tomreyn> journalctl -b -u systemd-timesyncd
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• 2336[21:08:37] <tomreyn> to get a better idea of what's (not) going on there. you should see a " Synchronized to time server " there listed last if it works properly.
• 2337[21:11:16] <jjakob> It uses the debian pool by default iirc
• 2338[21:11:46] <jjakob> It also takes any ntp servers pushed by dhcp
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• 2340[21:12:03] <jjakob> timedatectl status
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• 2356[21:21:27] <Somelauw> Stupid question, is there any point in having any nvidia packages installed if you don't have an nvidia card?
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• 2366[21:27:25] <rwp> Somelauw, No advantage. And as a disadvantage everything extra that is installed needs updates. If not installed then they don't need updates.
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• 2376[21:34:45] <dob1> tomreyn, Synchronized to time server for the first time 162.159.200.123:123 (2.debian.pool.ntp.org). ok but where is this setup?
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• 2390[21:48:05] <celphi> tomreyn: can you help me get my display working?
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• 2413[22:00:49] <celphi> im just going to change to centos
• 2414[22:00:56] <celphi> debian is too much of a pain
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• 2418[22:07:04] <ratrace> celphi: kthnxbai
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• 2437[22:30:23] <Somelauw> rwp: okay, i'll try without nvidia. it also uninstalls update-glx
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• 2537[23:52:43] <rwp> Somelauw, update-glx description says it facilitates switching between free and proprietary implementations. But you don't have nvidia so can't use it either. I look and I don't have it installed even on my lone nvidia system.
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• 2541[23:55:23] <HelloShitty> Guys, I thinkI'm almost getting the service running but I'm still facing a few errors in /var/log/syslog
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• 2544[23:56:08] <HelloShitty> I created the service under /etc/systemd/user and I tried to launch it with systemctl --user start my.service
• 2545[23:56:34] <HelloShitty> but in /var/log/syslog there are still some errors
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• 2548[23:56:50] <HelloShitty> I'll paste them in beeian paste, maybe you can tell me what can I do ti fix them
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