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11 [00:19:30] <pingfloyd> what's the -b switch do with 'apt'? I don't see it listen in the man.
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15 [00:21:23] <pingfloyd> nevermind. I think I can guess. It instructs apt to go ahead and automatically build the source package you're downloading.
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17 [00:22:59] <xgpt> hello
18 [00:23:01] <xgpt> anyone here
19 [00:23:03] <xgpt> ?
20 [00:23:40] <dvs> !ask
21 [00:23:40] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
22 [00:23:48] <wMw> and wilson says yeeesss
23 [00:24:31] <annadane> there are, indeed, people on IRC, as the sidebar on my hexchat of "1510 total" indicates
24 [00:24:31] <wMw> that ball from 'cast away' :)
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26 [00:24:56] <annadane> yeah predictable
27 [00:25:07] <annadane> nobody who ever says anyone here? ever asks a question
28 [00:25:18] <wMw> haha
29 [00:25:58] * dvs should use a softer voice
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37 [00:33:57] <somiaj> pingfloyd: often times you have to look at the corresponding apt-foo man page (apt man page is supose to list the basic stuff all users need)
38 [00:34:14] <somiaj> pingfloyd: -b, --compile, --build is listed in the apt-get man page
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54 [00:49:05] <demo> test
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57 [00:50:16] <demo> hey how does this work?
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60 [00:52:11] <Stx> demo: This as in IRC?
61 [00:53:36] <somiaj> demo: this is a chat room for help with the Debian operating system. Do you have a question about debian?
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79 [01:08:47] <gry> what debian package can i install to have an easy out of the box sharing of git repositories for read access? no need for others to write to my code
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92 [01:19:51] <JackFrost> gry: Web interface or clone only?
93 [01:20:10] <gry> clone only; I can do the web interface myself with stagit
94 [01:21:11] <JackFrost> OK, cgit allows one to clone as well, but might be more than you want. You could just install git-daemon-sysvinit in that case.
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96 [01:25:06] <somiaj> doesn't the git package also contain a server, just configure it to guest/read-only?
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98 [01:26:32] <somiaj> yea, git contains git-daemon which should gives you (from the manpage) "A really simple server for Git repositories"
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100 [01:27:29] <somiaj> gry: so unsure if git-daemon can fit your needs (or how easy out of the box it is)
101 [01:27:35] <Gigglebyte> Is it possible to get a record of some .deb files that were uploaded to the repository by System 76 during the time frame of 07-2018 to 12-2018? Who is handling repository issues?
102 [01:31:14] <JackFrost> somiaj: git-daemon-sysvinit adds an init script and some configuration files, so it's more of an 'out of the box' option but still uses git-daemon.
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105 [01:35:38] <gry> somiaj: thanks, i checked the man page but find it confusing - which directory does it allow others to clone?
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108 [01:36:47] <somiaj> gry: looks like you need a --base-path=/foo/bar then your repos are /foo/bar/repo1 /foo/bar/repo2
109 [01:37:28] <JackFrost> Yeah.
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111 [01:37:29] <somiaj> but maybe JackFrost suggestion of using git-daemon-sysvinit will be easier since it contains a configuration file and some premade scripts
112 [01:38:05] <JackFrost> I have git-daemon-sysvinit and cgit installed and set up, biggest advantage to cgit is TLS cloning.
113 [01:38:18] <JackFrost> (Well...As far as clone-only advantages goes..)
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153 [02:21:59] <BadLuckBob> ran out of space in usr trying to install chrome. shutdown guest, doubled it's space, re-booted.
154 [02:22:34] <BadLuckBob> can't make sense of fddisk. is there a gui disk manager in debian?
155 [02:22:55] <dvs> gparted?
156 [02:23:26] <BadLuckBob> ok, it's not on the apps menu. how do i startit?
157 [02:23:44] <dvs> maybe you have to install it
158 [02:23:57] <BadLuckBob> just type it in a console?
159 [02:24:15] <dvs> try that first
160 [02:24:25] <BadLuckBob> can't install - no space.
161 [02:24:44] <Gigglebyte> gigglebyte
162 [02:24:48] <BadLuckBob> ok. tx
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184 [02:50:23] <BadLuckBob> TGIF - YAY! replaced-url
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197 [03:00:54] <davis> hello
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199 [03:02:08] <davis> i just did an upgrade from stretch to buster. As part of the guide it says to do : aptitude purge '~o' : but when I do this it says I'm running this kernel and I should abort. Do I need to install a specific kernel for buster?
200 [03:02:44] <dvs> davis, did you reboot?
201 [03:03:11] <davis> yes
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205 [03:04:54] <davis> fwiw, the step before that says to do this: aptitude search '~c'
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207 [03:05:46] <davis> and that shows about 20 packages. cups, cups-pdf, etc. these seem like valid packages. but when i do the purge version it only lists the kernel.
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209 [03:08:48] <davis> maybe this will fix the purge problem. apt-get install linux-image-4.19.0-8-amd64 linux-headers-4.19.0-8-amd64
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214 [03:11:36] <davis> yes, that fixed it.
215 [03:11:46] <dvs> davis, installing that kernel should have been part of the upgrade process.
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319 [04:45:25] <tripkin> Is there some way to set xorg as the default in debian instead of wayland when installing or upgrading? Is it possible to change it from the command line? I have programs that do not work properly with wayland, but work fine with xorg, and I am finding wayland to not be the way to go. Yet.
320 [04:46:53] <tripkin> Sorry, it should be noted that I am talking about the gnome desktop environment...
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333 [05:11:17] <somiaj> tripkin: how do you login?
334 [05:11:51] <tripkin> Through the gui usually.
335 [05:11:51] <somiaj> tripkin: really the only desktop that uses wayland is gnome, and when logging in with gdm3, you can select the session you want (so select the xorg session) and tell gdm3 to make it default.
336 [05:12:53] <somiaj> I think with the alternatives system you can set the default x-session (or something like that, I don't have a dispaly manager so I can't tell you waht the altneratives is)
337 [05:13:02] <tripkin> I just did an upgrade, and had no gui to log in with. Fortunately, it was simply an incomplete upgrade, and install -f fixed the problem. But still... I find that because of some of the tools I use simply do not work with wayland, it is a bit of a nuisance.
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339 [05:13:10] <somiaj> but gdm3 will most likely use the session you set, not the default system one.
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341 [05:13:25] <somiaj> so as I said, choose the xorg session
342 [05:13:59] <tripkin> Yeah. I find it a bit annoying that on an upgrade it auto switches from xorg to wayland. Fresh install defaulting to wayland I understand
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344 [05:14:22] <tripkin> Once I got a login screen, I was able to switch using that
345 [05:15:09] <somiaj> I'm unsure how much gdm3 honors the alternative system, but I think it uses its own ideas of default so that affects both upgrades and fresh installs
346 [05:15:55] <somiaj> it does look like there is a x-session-manager alternative, so update-alternatives --config x-session-manager and you can pick the default session
347 [05:16:04] <tripkin> Yeah, I don't see anything in update-alternatives regarding gnome except for gnome-text-editor and gnome-replaced-url
348 [05:16:32] <tripkin> ah, I see x-session-manager now...
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350 [05:17:04] <tripkin> There is nothing to configure with it, however. That is handled from the login screen only, it seems.
351 [05:17:12] <tripkin> Ah well. Moving on
352 [05:17:19] <tripkin> Thanks, somiaj
353 [05:17:44] <somiaj> my guess is installing the package added the new x-session-manager for waylend, I'm unsure how the alternative system deals with new packages if the user has set their own alternative (like can it tell if the user set it so don't change vs it was auto set so do change)
354 [05:17:55] <somiaj> it could be that x-session-manager gets updated with the install of the package
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357 [05:19:15] <tripkin> When I try to configure x-session-manager, it get "There is only one alternative in link group x-session-manager (providing /usr/bin/x-session-manager): /usr/bin/gnome-session Nothing to configure."
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360 [05:20:18] <somiaj> I'm unsure about the details of how this works with gdm3 (as I said gdm3 may have its own session tools)
361 [05:20:31] <somiaj> I don't use eigher a display manager or a destkop so I can be of only so much help
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364 [05:23:12] <tripkin> That's ok, I suspect this has more to do with the gnome team and their desire to shift away from xorg to wayland. Therefore, nothing really in alternatives for that reason
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366 [05:26:13] <somiaj> I think they just expect the user to pick the desired session from the gdm3 menu
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424 [06:18:56] <u0_a198> HELLO!When I install the debian,it can't load component from the usb because of the apt-cdrom-setup has the bad sha256sum,how could i deal it?
425 [06:20:39] <u0_a198> someone know?
426 [06:21:23] <joze> whois u0_a198
427 [06:21:49] <joze> maybe your line is corrupted
428 [06:22:04] <u0_a198> what line?
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433 [06:23:33] <joze> the worst case szenario of a bad checksum
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439 [06:27:25] <u0_a198> I uncompress the debian iso file and calculate the sha256sum of the apt-cdrom-setup and the sha256sum is different from the sha256sum that i calculate the file from the usb ?
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441 [06:28:05] <u0_a198> i use the dd to write the iso to
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448 [06:36:04] <u0_a198> what command can i use in the debian insatllation to partition the disk?
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450 [06:37:37] <u0_a198> no fdisk and parted
451 [06:38:42] <u0_a198> So Coldథ౪థ
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453 [06:39:48] <PaddyF> u0_a198: choose the expert install and you get there by following the menu
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455 [06:40:36] <u0_a198> thankyou.
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572 [09:18:34] <stmuk> hi .. I'm trying to reset audio and have used a command something like "audioctl reset" before ... can anyone remember the exact command I want?
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574 [09:18:48] <mi11k12> pulse?
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577 [09:20:00] <stmuk> yes
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597 [09:36:43] <stmuk> /usr/sbin/alsactl restore -P
598 [09:36:45] <at0m> stmuk: pulseaudio -k kills pulseaudio. --start starts them
599 [09:36:46] <at0m> oh
600 [09:37:01] <stmuk> and it still thinks my headphones are plugged in! arggg
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602 [09:37:24] <at0m> stmuk: that merely reverts alsamixer to whatever was alsactl store'd
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605 [09:43:11] <stmuk> it still thinks headphones are plugged in!
606 [09:43:19] <stmuk> reboor
607 [09:43:28] <at0m> that's not gonna solve it
608 [09:44:15] <at0m> stmuk: there's different pulseaudio tools that can let you switch, that may solve the issue
609 [09:45:03] <at0m> pavucontrol (gtk/qt) comes to mind, and pulsemixer (console)
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611 [09:45:40] <at0m> !reboot
612 [09:45:40] <dpkg> You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>.
613 [09:46:00] <stmuk> I tried a console mixer
614 [09:46:17] <at0m> alsa or pulse?
615 [09:46:23] <stmuk> of course a reboot fixed it ... linux audio is still totally broken in 2020
616 [09:46:29] <stmuk> alsamixer
617 [09:47:00] <at0m> yea. definitely totally broken. why you shouldn't use audio at all.
618 [09:47:04] <at0m> /S
619 [09:47:42] <stmuk> It was as if it still thought the headphones were plugged in
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621 [09:48:02] <stmuk> and wasn't aware of laptop speakers at all
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623 [09:48:36] <stmuk> at0m: historically I've had less problems with OpenBSD audio than linux
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626 [09:49:21] <stmuk> replaced-url
627 [09:50:46] <at0m> there's 2 layers to this. pulse sits on top of alsa. alsa is simpler, but doesn't usually support multiple clients and users.
628 [09:50:47] <mi11k10> kill pulse then start without sudo
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630 [09:51:26] <at0m> stmuk: so they decided to add complication in the form of pulse.. to make things easier. usually, easier.
631 [09:51:44] <mi11k10> isnt alsa the main linkage to hardware?
632 [09:51:57] <at0m> yea alsa is the kernel drivers
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635 [09:52:58] <at0m> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, WIKI: replaced-url
636 [09:53:16] <at0m> ok caps via /topic #alsa =)
637 [09:53:39] <at0m> i guess bsd has OSS, not alsa
638 [09:53:52] <mi11k10> at0m i did not know that, thanks
639 [09:54:00] <stmuk> yes having two systems and associated sets of commands is complex
640 [09:54:16] <mi11k10> stmuk u barely need to touch alsa
641 [09:54:33] <at0m> pulseaudio has come a long way. users are advised not to touch alsa anymore, indeed
642 [09:54:42] <mi11k10> sometimes i use alsamixer in cli
643 [09:54:48] <stmuk> yes BSD used ossaudio (as I think linux did at first) I don't think use of the sound device by different processes is possible though
644 [09:55:07] <Kyros> sometimes i run my external dac straight with alsa then i got to watch a youtube video and it wont load
645 [09:55:15] <mi11k10> stmuk there are better pulse controls in package manager
646 [09:55:18] <stmuk> I did restart pulseaudio
647 [09:55:32] <Kyros> then i remember why pulseaudio exists
648 [09:55:34] <mi11k10> as root?
649 [09:55:51] <at0m> if you really want to have fun, pulseaudio is from the same dev as systemd ;p
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651 [09:56:21] <stmuk> mi11k10: what you recommend?
652 [09:56:26] <mi11k10> i love pulse, the only time it gives me a hard time is BT output.
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654 [09:56:36] <mi11k10> i use pasystray
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656 [09:57:12] <mi11k10> there modules that you might need too. I dont know what yer trying to do.
657 [09:57:27] <at0m> pulseaudio has come a long way. i remember some years ago it was a mess. or, i failed at it otherwise. these days, i love how it does multi-output, multi-user, and network
658 [09:57:42] <mi11k10> a stupid thing that happened to me in alsamixer, is push m to make sure its not muted
659 [09:57:43] <stmuk> basically restart audio services to "fix" failures in it
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661 [09:59:34] <hans_> debian 10 kernel 4.19, this runs at ~16MB/s: cat CacDeb10Image.img | gzip -1 | dd of=/dev/null bs=10M iflag=fullblock status=progress - this runs at ~8.5MB/s: time cat CacDeb10Image.img | gzip -1 | dd of=/dev/null bs=10M iflag=fullblock status=progress
662 [09:59:38] <hans_> why would "time" nearly halve the speed? some massive pipe overhead?
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665 [10:01:19] <stmuk> hmmm maybe I had a udev problem rather than with alsa/pulse
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667 [10:01:56] <at0m> stmuk: not sure where the phones detection is done
668 [10:02:20] <at0m> (and thus, what commands the switching to/from phones)
669 [10:02:29] <stmuk> me neither
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673 [10:03:28] <at0m> alsamixer has individual controls for headphones and onboard speakers here
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675 [10:03:46] <at0m> then again, intelhda is one driver that covers 1000s of different hw
676 [10:04:16] <at0m> (for example on macbooks, inputs and outputs are 2 different cards even)
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684 [10:09:51] <stmuk> Feb 23 09:07:33 mx pulseaudio[3339]: [alsa-sink-ALC256 Analog] alsa-mixer.c: Failed to set switch of Headphone: Input/output error
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692 [10:14:37] <PaddyF> when amd lists their driver for the radeon rx590 for ubuntu 18.04 and not for debian what do people do?
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695 [10:16:03] <stmuk> maybe I should have tried rm -rf ~/.config/pulse
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699 [10:18:29] <hans_> huh actually seems to be a core issue, when gzip just happens to run on core 4, it runs at ~16MB/s, when it happens to run on core 14 or 22, it runs at ~8.5MB/s o.0
700 [10:19:13] <DoctorD90> simple question: how could I be sure if I need netinstall nonfree version instead of "normal" netinstall version?
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703 [10:19:49] <PaddyF> DoctorD90: maybe you need the firmware packages from non-free
704 [10:20:24] <DoctorD90> PaddyF ok but how could I check if on my machine i need normal or nonfree one? :)
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706 [10:20:43] <stmuk> DoctorD90: not having working network is probably the biggest sign of problems with non-free device support
707 [10:21:01] <PaddyF> second is graphics chipset
708 [10:22:12] <DoctorD90> actually im runing deb stretch on this machine, and i upgraded from 7 or 8 really many times ago. I installed from netinstall but I dont remember which one i used.
709 [10:22:51] <PaddyF> DoctorD90: lets say you add non-free but dont need it - what could be the harm?
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711 [10:23:44] <DoctorD90> PaddyF honestly i dont know :P the "unofficial" sometimes warns me :P hehehe....i can use nonfree version with no issue i think
712 [10:23:46] <DoctorD90> btw
713 [10:23:47] <DoctorD90> lspci | egrep -i --color 'network|ethernet'
714 [10:23:47] <DoctorD90> 03:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 31)
715 [10:23:47] <DoctorD90> 04:00.1 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 12)
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718 [10:24:02] <DoctorD90> thanks debhelper ahahaha
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720 [10:24:58] <DoctorD90> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 5916 (rev 02)
721 [10:25:06] <DoctorD90> 01:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation Device 179c (rev a2)
722 [10:25:30] <PaddyF> yeah, the wifi is in firmware-linux-nonfree and the other in firmware-realtek, both in non-free
723 [10:25:33] <DoctorD90> so i think due to qualcomm atheros (ath10k from my memory) and NVIDIA i could nee of nonfree
724 [10:26:03] <DoctorD90> PaddyF just to learn...how could i check by my self where are them?
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726 [10:26:26] <DoctorD90> opening firmware linux non free content from site?
727 [10:26:58] <PaddyF> i would start with google with keywords like "your chipset" and "debian driver"
728 [10:28:48] <DoctorD90> ok but without google? some command to search directly inside packages?
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732 [10:29:16] <PaddyF> dpkg -S or apt-file
733 [10:29:17] <dpkg> There is no record of a or apt-file package
734 [10:31:25] <DoctorD90> hi dpkg ! what do you mean?
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738 [10:33:18] <PaddyF> DoctorD90: its a bot that could not parse my command
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740 [10:33:33] <DoctorD90> ah ok
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743 [10:34:23] <PaddyF> drivers, drivers, drivers. not sure what to do. the rx590 is definetly a nice board
744 [10:34:25] <DoctorD90> apt-file show firmware-atheros > find out :P now i should remember how to check if that package comes from free/nonfree :P
745 [10:34:51] <PaddyF> firmware-linux-nonfree is a collection of drivers
746 [10:35:47] <PaddyF> so you cant find it via package tools
747 [10:35:56] <DoctorD90> yea PaddyF , but in case i have a package, i remember there was a way to check if it was part of a meta-package and from which repo it comes from
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749 [10:36:19] <PaddyF> well you can maybe, but then you need to look at all firmware packages
750 [10:36:58] <DoctorD90> yea :P just removing some dust from my memory on apt :D thank you very much :)
751 [10:37:07] <PaddyF> :)
752 [10:37:47] <DoctorD90> apt-cache show firmware-atheros >>>> gotcha! :D
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762 [10:48:58] <pirla> Hello everyone
763 [10:49:08] <pirla> Can someone help me with BlueTooth?
764 [10:49:32] <diogenes_> !ask
765 [10:49:32] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
766 [10:50:37] <pirla> Ok, lemme try: I have a problem with BlueTooth, I'm running Debian Buster, I have no clue on how to enable hardware relative to BlueTooth
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770 [10:53:57] <at0m> !bluetooth
771 [10:53:57] <dpkg> Bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol (replaced-url
772 [10:54:20] <pirla> Yes, I already did that before
773 [10:54:30] <pirla> Now I'm fresh, and I can't recall what to do
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777 [10:58:29] <at0m> pirla: been a while here, too. what desktop is on the machine, if any?
778 [10:58:57] <at0m> for example in KDE, systemsettings5 has a bluetooth tab under Network
779 [10:59:06] <at0m> does it show?
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783 [11:01:23] <pirla> sorry, rebooted
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785 [11:01:40] <at0m> why?
786 [11:01:54] <pirla> !ath3k
787 [11:01:54] <dpkg> ath3k is a Linux kernel driver supporting <Bluetooth> devices based on Qualcomm Atheros AR3011 and AR3012 chipsets, introduced in Linux 2.6.34. Ask me about <ar3011> and <ar3012> for device specific information. replaced-url
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789 [11:02:12] <at0m> you can also /msg dpkg $factoid
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794 [11:04:26] <pirla> who is him?
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799 [11:08:11] <pirla> replaced-url
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802 [11:09:39] <pirla> at0m, to test setup
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805 [11:12:17] <pirla> am I missing something?
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821 [11:19:29] <pirla> Almost got it, just missing to autostart bluetootd
822 [11:19:37] <pirla> *bluetoothd
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825 [11:20:40] <xormor> replaced-url
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828 [11:22:30] <gry2> "OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on NV46" from "glxinfo". does it mean the graphics card driver is installed correctly?
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843 [11:31:08] <pirla> So, I need to autotart bluetoothd so far
844 [11:31:18] <pirla> tried something, but no luck
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863 [11:49:13] <pirla> help?
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868 [11:56:45] <pirla> please
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886 [12:04:25] <pirla> Excuse me, reboot again
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888 [12:04:46] <pirla> I can't get how to automatically start bluetooth service during startup
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891 [12:06:34] <dispersed> probably with systemctl enable
892 [12:06:42] <dispersed> just need the service name after that
893 [12:07:11] <dispersed> which could be just called 'bluetooth'
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901 [12:12:26] <pirla> yes, I can launch "sudo systemctl bluetooth enable", but it's not started at boot
902 [12:12:39] <pirla> I have to manually launch it each boot
903 [12:13:47] <pirla> replaced-url
904 [12:13:56] <ratrace> pirla: that's wrong command format. did you actually try it? also, bluetooth/bluez service should automatically be enabled
905 [12:14:10] <pirla> yes, posted output in pastebin
906 [12:14:17] <pirla> I mistyped
907 [12:14:58] <ratrace> ah, k. so if it doesn't start, you can check its logs for potential reasons. journalctl -u bluetooth.service
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911 [12:15:44] <pirla> got "no entries"
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918 [12:21:12] <ratrace> pirla: what about systemctl status bluetooth.service
919 [12:22:05] <pirla> replaced-url
920 [12:23:25] <ratrace> pirla: from what I see in the source, it's a dbus service, so it'll be started by a dbus request
921 [12:23:32] <pirla> how?
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923 [12:23:59] <ratrace> I wouldn't know, maybe by some network manager "enable bluetooth" option or something like that
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925 [12:25:06] <ratrace> pirla: what's the output of journalctl -e right after you try systemctl start bluetooth.service ?
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928 [12:26:39] <pirla> replaced-url
929 [12:27:43] <ratrace> huh, some conflict in dbus... sorry, wouldn't know how to solve that
930 [12:28:28] <pirla> look, I only need to start bluetoothd at startup, then BT will work, I tried and had success
931 [12:28:38] <pirla> But I had to manually start bluetoothd
932 [12:28:49] <ratrace> pirla: are you sure it's actually not already running? the bluetooth daemon.... what does ps -axuf | grep blue say?
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934 [12:29:09] <ratrace> pirla: ah so there IS a bluetoothd running already?
935 [12:29:18] <pirla> I'm sure, but present ps is tainted by my bluetoothd launched
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937 [12:29:59] <pirla> replaced-url
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939 [12:30:05] <ratrace> pirla: then you'll need to pastebin relevan journal entries right after reboot, without you manually starting anything
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941 [12:30:35] <pirla> Ok, I'm gonna restart, later you'll tell me which command output you need
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945 [12:33:58] <pirla> here I am
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948 [12:36:38] <pirla> ratrace,
949 [12:37:11] <ratrace> pirla: journalctl -b | grep -i blue
950 [12:38:06] <pirla> replaced-url
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953 [12:39:51] <ratrace> pirla: please pastebin journalctl -b -k | grep -i firmware
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957 [12:40:38] <pirla> replaced-url
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961 [12:42:18] <ratrace> pirla: perhaps just pastebin the whole journal. could be sensitive info there, dunno, so make sure you review that paste first. journalctl -b
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964 [12:43:20] <pirla> replaced-url
965 [12:43:41] <pirla> no security I'm afraid of, I'll change sensitive data as I'm done
966 [12:44:18] <ratrace> pirla: that's not the full output, please run journalctl -b --no-pager
967 [12:45:39] <ratrace> pirla: in fact, you can filter it with | grep -iv sudo | grep iv cron don't need those
968 [12:45:49] <ratrace> grep -iv cron
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970 [12:47:10] <pirla> replaced-url
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972 [12:47:35] <pirla> but is this really required to start a service on boot?
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977 [12:49:36] <ratrace> pirla: it would appear that the service is skipped due to condition check, which is existence of /sys/class/bluetooth ... at this point I'd assume that your hardware is simply not being recognized
978 [12:49:56] <ratrace> pirla: "feb 29 12:32:30 aspire-PC systemd[1]: Condition check resulted in Bluetooth service being skipped."
979 [12:50:02] <pirla> I'm sure 100% the bluetooth wors when manually launching bluetoothd
980 [12:50:13] <ratrace> pirla: ConditionPathIsDirectory=/sys/class/bluetooth in the .service unit
981 [12:50:16] <pirla> I just need to run it at boot
982 [12:50:47] <ratrace> I guess then something is delaying bluetooth hardware on boot.
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984 [12:51:00] <pirla> is it there any script where should I put "bluetoothd" to have it launched on boot
985 [12:51:02] <pirla> ?
986 [12:52:01] <ratrace> you already have a bluetooth.service
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988 [12:52:37] <pirla> No, I need to specifically, exactly launch bluetoothd
989 [12:53:08] <pirla> A dirty soltion could be welcome too
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994 [12:56:16] <ratrace> eh and I was just typing up a test case......
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1001 [13:02:32] <pirla> Still no luck
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1003 [13:04:24] <pirla> By the way, on another computer (with similar hardware) I had no issues at all
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1008 [13:05:42] <pirla> ratrace,
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1011 [13:09:07] <pirla> Anyone?
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1036 [13:28:01] <pirla> Here I am, after nth failed attempt
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1038 [13:28:15] <pirla> I tried to use cron and init.d, both no luck
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1045 [13:33:13] <ratrace> pirla: you could try copying the service unit from /lib/systemd/system/bluetooth.service into /etc/systemd/system/ then edit it, comment out that ConditionPathIsDirectory line, add ExecStart=sleep 10 above the existing ExecStart then run systemctl daemon-reload and reboot to see any effects. this might prolong your boot time for 10 seconds, but it's a test to see if running it
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1047 [13:33:17] <Deihmos> why don't i see this package on buster replaced-url
1048 [13:33:19] <ratrace> later fixes anything
1049 [13:33:28] <Deihmos> it appears to be in bullseye and stretch
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1051 [13:33:41] <ratrace> there they go again......
1052 [13:33:59] <ratrace> ,v nzbget
1053 [13:34:00] <judd> Package: nzbget on amd64 -- jessie: 13.0+dfsg-1; stretch: 17.1+dfsg-3; bullseye: 21.0+dfsg-2; sid: 21.0+dfsg-2; experimental: 21.1~r2311+dfsg-2
1054 [13:34:11] <ratrace> judd: bug rm nzbget
1055 [13:34:14] <judd> Sorry, no removal reasons were found.
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1057 [13:34:37] <ratrace> Deihmos: replaced-url
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1059 [13:35:04] <ratrace> Bug #908427
1060 [13:35:05] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1062 [13:35:42] <rapha> hi
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1065 [13:36:58] <rapha> i'm trying to upgrade a wheezy box to jessie and have changed sources.list to read "deb replaced-url
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1069 [13:39:03] <ratrace> rapha: you need apt-get dist-upgrade to do release upgrade
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1071 [13:39:40] <rapha> ratrace: that would install 1 (in words: one) new package, as opposed to 0 with just "upgrade".
1072 [13:40:15] <rapha> I guess I can just safely do that... *shrugs*
1073 [13:40:49] <ratrace> rapha: you'd first have to run any pending upgrade of wheezy packages, did you do that?
1074 [13:40:50] <rapha> Okay, so now I have libaudit-common 2.4. Still on wheezy though...
1075 [13:41:00] <rapha> ratrace: Yes, years ago.
1076 [13:41:14] <ratrace> well, no, you have to do it before you try the release upgrade
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1078 [13:41:45] <rapha> Ofc I ran "apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade" one last time before changing sources.list. This is not my first bbq.
1079 [13:42:05] <joepublic> just the first one where there turned out to be no food on the grill?
1080 [13:42:28] <rapha> Lol, kinda like yeah.
1081 [13:42:38] <joepublic> dpkg, bat
1082 [13:42:39] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1083 [13:42:41] <rapha> I mean, this is goddamn wheezy, why would there be new updates?
1084 [13:43:12] <rapha> Ur, okay, that bot output doesn't seem to entirely pertain to my problem.
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1087 [13:44:26] <rapha> But here goes: replaced-url
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1089 [13:45:23] <rapha> And: replaced-url
1090 [13:45:31] <ratrace> rapha: you have only one repository enabled? no jessies-updates or jessie/updates no wonder you had no wheezy updates.
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1093 [13:45:51] <rapha> Yes, before that I only had the one repo.
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1095 [13:46:45] <joepublic> I do not understand this phrase "jessies-updates or jessie/updates no wonder you had no wheezy updates"
1096 [13:46:48] <rapha> (As per replaced-url
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1101 [13:47:47] <ratrace> joepublic: %s/ no wonder/; no wonder/ better? :)
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1103 [13:48:33] <rapha> I also didn't understand it btw, ratrace. Why would a wheezy install have jessie-updates enabled necessarily?
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1105 [13:49:11] <joepublic> no, it's just that I am not sure why -updates and/or /updates would still be needed for what is essentially a frozen archive of wheezy
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1110 [13:49:53] <ratrace> just trying to understand what was configured before "wheezy" was changed to "jessie" in the sources.list
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1112 [13:50:07] <rapha> According to the FAQ at the URL linked, Wheezy boxes still running are supposed to only have had that one line in their sources.list. For years.
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1114 [13:51:00] <rapha> So what I did was, ":s/wheezy/jessie". Didn't even bother with a percentage sign.
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1118 [13:52:38] <pirla> Am back
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1128 [13:56:53] <joepublic> s/wheezy/jessie sounds right to me. I wonder what's up.
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1135 [14:00:06] <mr_claus> how to deploy a debian buster vm on a debian stretch dom0? is it possible to install osinfo-db from buster on stretch? it seems libvirt relies on osinfo with the deployment
1136 [14:00:20] <pirla> Hooray!!! Made it, I just added "sudo bluetoothd" in the "Autostart apps" under XFCE Control Panel
1137 [14:00:41] <pirla> Now it works
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1139 [14:01:16] <pirla> Now, can anyone help me with my last issue? I'm trying to configure a modem 56k
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1141 [14:01:47] <pirla> 1st, how can I obtain info (lspci and lsusb gave no useful output)
1142 [14:02:00] <pirla> I'll use kppp
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1165 [14:10:57] <countdr> Hi GillBates. Still using Wine?
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1177 [14:23:55] <pirla> Ok, I guess I have a Conexant one
1178 [14:24:03] <pirla> How to configure it?
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1180 [14:25:23] <tharkun> Good morning people. I need to upgrade the BIOS on my laptop but to achieve that I need a DOS bootable usb Any ideas on how to achieve this. So far freedos wants to install onto my hdd and dosbox seems to run under linux for game emulation as a main point.
1181 [14:26:16] <pirla> Sorry man, don't know here
1182 [14:26:52] <tharkun> !jessie
1183 [14:26:52] <dpkg> Jessie is the codename for the current <oldoldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25. Security support ended 2018-05-17, repos removed from mirrors around 2019-03-24, except for <jessie-lts>. Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See replaced-url
1184 [14:27:37] <tharkun> rapha: ^^^ hence you can't do dist-upgrade
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1188 [14:28:06] <pirla> Any help with modem?
1189 [14:28:15] <tharkun> Analyze your downtime and /etc magic and you might be better off with Debian 10
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1193 [14:28:44] <tharkun> pirla: how do you connect your modem to your computer?
1194 [14:28:55] <pirla> it's builtin
1195 [14:29:03] <pirla> I have a laptop
1196 [14:29:05] <tharkun> lspci -nn
1197 [14:29:14] <tharkun> ,pciid
1198 [14:29:15] <judd> (pciid <pciid> [--release <release name>]) -- Output the name of the device and matching kernel module if known, optionally restricted to the specified release. The pciid should be of the form 0000:0000. [ and ] are permitted around the pciid, but Supybot will try to act on those as nested commands unless they are enclosed in double quotes, e.g "[0000:0000]".
1199 [14:29:16] <jelly> tharkun: format a single primary partition fat16, copy freedos files there, install mbr on it. There's a package called "mbr" to make DOS compatible mbr with boot code.
1200 [14:30:07] <pirla> replaced-url
1201 [14:30:21] <jelly> ,i mbr
1202 [14:30:22] <judd> Package mbr (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Master Boot Record for IBM-PC compatible computers.. Version: 1.2.1; Size: 21.7k; Installed: 49k
1203 [14:30:25] <tharkun> jelly: Good $DAY, Have I told you lately that I love you?
1204 [14:31:13] <jelly> tharkun: oh, and you'll probably need to put the bootable flag on the partition, and there's a size limit with fat16 (32MB? Don't remember)
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1206 [14:31:30] <pirla> 2 gb is the limit for fat16
1207 [14:31:43] <jelly> I usually just find a 1.44MB floppy image and put that on a stick directly
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1209 [14:32:28] <tharkun> jelly: I have a bootable 1.4MB floppy, I just don't have a reader for it. :)
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1212 [14:33:29] * jelly rescued a 1.44 usb floppy disk when $work wanted to junk it
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1214 [14:34:07] <tharkun> pirla: Your modem does not seem to be connected to the pci bus.
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1216 [14:34:33] <pirla> mess, what can I do?
1217 [14:34:42] <jelly> -rwxr-xr-x 1 jelly jelly 1474560 Oct 8 1998 win95osr2
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1220 [14:35:55] <pirla> Maybe I can scan hw with something else?
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1222 [14:38:22] <jelly> pirla: once upon a time there was a driver for those: replaced-url
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1226 [14:40:44] <jelly> but those drivers seem to require a working device on pci
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1228 [14:40:53] <tharkun> pirla: The ultimate isue with modems was that the hw functionality was moved to propietary drivers for each OEM and supporting them in linux was a real pain. If they worked at all. the site jelly just posted used to have the best drivers available. Unless you have a very special use case for your modem. It is really a waste of time. They initialy used to be connected throught the RS232 port
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1232 [14:41:57] <pirla> I see, thanks anyhow. Bye
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1234 [14:42:09] <Deihmos> Can I install a package from six on buster?
1235 [14:42:17] <jelly> pirla: if you need dial-up connectivity I'd strongly suggest, er, you're gone, okay
1236 [14:42:22] <Deihmos> Sid
1237 [14:42:31] <tharkun> !ssbp
1238 [14:42:31] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
1239 [14:42:46] <jelly> Deihmos: which specific package?
1240 [14:43:12] <Deihmos> Nzbget
1241 [14:43:20] <jelly> ,v nzbget
1242 [14:43:21] <judd> Package: nzbget on amd64 -- jessie: 13.0+dfsg-1; stretch: 17.1+dfsg-3; bullseye: 21.0+dfsg-2; sid: 21.0+dfsg-2; experimental: 21.1~r2311+dfsg-2
1243 [14:43:37] <jelly> ,checkbackport nzbget
1244 [14:43:39] <judd> Backporting package nzbget in sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster.
1245 [14:44:00] <tharkun> Deihmos: Interesting choice for a nickname
1246 [14:44:04] <jelly> sounds like you might be able to do a buster build of the version from sid
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1251 [14:47:30] <jelly> last time I had to flash something from DOS I ended up burning a dvd or cd, because hardware in question did not like usb sticks very much
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1255 [14:50:04] <rapha> !wheezy->jessie
1256 [14:50:26] <rapha> tharkun: trying to move things up bit by bit so that i can then do a reinstall.
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1258 [14:51:51] <rapha> also not sure if i understood you correctly. in my sources.list i have *archive*.debian.org. that still seems to have all the packages - ?
1259 [14:52:26] <jelly> dpkg, wheezy->jessie
1260 [14:52:26] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
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1262 [14:53:27] <jelly> the ! shortcut character fails with factoids that have -> in the name
1263 [14:53:32] <tharkun> rapha: It is your choice. I did it several times and it was very time consuming. I realized that reading changelogs and building a test environment (virtual machine) ended up beeing way faster.
1264 [14:53:51] <rapha> hm
1265 [14:54:03] <rapha> doesn't seem to be my choice if the upgrade can't be done anymore in 2020
1266 [14:54:42] <rapha> unfortunately it's the kind of machine with which i'd feel more comfortable taking an incremental, if time-consuming approach
1267 [14:54:55] <jelly> sure it can be done
1268 [14:55:15] <jelly> I've done a 7->8 then 8->9 a couple months back
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1270 [14:55:54] <tharkun> rapha: jelly pointed you on the right direction. Remember to allways backup your data (usually the most time consuming) and go for it.
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1272 [14:56:20] <rapha> i only came here after backups had finished
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1274 [14:56:43] <rapha> oh, didn't notice jelly's comments, thank you!
1275 [14:56:51] <jelly> sources change for archived releases, so at some point you'll have to repoint to actual jessie sources, not just s/wheezy/jessie/g
1276 [14:56:56] <jelly> !jessie sources.list
1277 [14:56:56] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
1278 [14:56:59] <rapha> ooooh
1279 [14:57:17] <rapha> NO archive. yet for jessie, THAT's the (not so) secret sauce here!
1280 [14:57:29] <jelly> jessie's not archived YET
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1283 [14:58:02] <jelly> because LTS team is still maintaining security repos for a subset of packages
1284 [14:58:20] <tharkun> And they are doing one heck of a good job :D
1285 [14:58:28] <jelly> hell there's even ELTS doing some support for wheezy
1286 [14:59:49] <rapha> hmm okay, weird
1287 [15:00:07] <rapha> jelly: even with your two lines above, it still tells me 0 packages to upgrade ^^
1288 [15:00:33] <jelly> rapha: which version of base-files and libc6 are installed right now?
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1290 [15:01:27] <rapha> jelly: 7.1wheezy11 and 2.13-38+deb7u12, respectively. which means at some point there were thirdparty repositories on that machine. could that be the problem?
1291 [15:02:25] <jelly> that does not mean what you think it means, and no
1292 [15:02:31] <rapha> hmm. okay.
1293 [15:02:47] <jelly> rapha: pastebin the outputs of "apt-get update" and "apt-cache policy"
1294 [15:02:50] <jelly> !paste
1295 [15:02:50] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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1297 [15:04:08] <rapha> jelly: replaced-url
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1300 [15:05:41] <jelly> rapha: so far so good. Do "apt-get install debian-archive-keyring", run "apt-get update" again, and see if the key warning disappears
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1302 [15:06:29] <jelly> that won't break any actual functionality
1303 [15:06:43] <rapha> jelly: says it's already the latest version. let me try to remove and reinstall.
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1307 [15:06:51] <jelly> rapha: which version is it?
1308 [15:07:07] <jelly> don't remove it
1309 [15:07:12] <jelly> ,v debian-archive-keyring
1310 [15:07:13] <judd> Package: debian-archive-keyring on amd64 -- jessie: 2017.5~deb8u1; stretch: 2017.5+deb9u1; stretch-updates: 2017.5+deb9u1; bullseye: 2019.1; buster: 2019.1; sid: 2019.1
1311 [15:07:15] <rapha> okay, didn't
1312 [15:07:16] <rapha> jelly: 2014.3~deb7u1
1313 [15:07:26] <rapha> tried --reinstall, said it was unable to download it
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1315 [15:08:15] <jelly> that's weird. What does "dpkg --print-architecture" say?
1316 [15:09:22] <rapha> jelly: amd64 ... which matches what the machine is.
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1319 [15:10:33] <FLUFFY_CAT> Hi
1320 [15:10:40] <FLUFFY_CAT> I have a question, can i ask?
1321 [15:10:42] <jelly> rapha: can you "rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*.*" and do "apt-get update" again and "apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring base-files libc6"?
1322 [15:10:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jelly
1323 [15:10:44] <joepublic> hello fluffy cat.
1324 [15:10:48] <joepublic> ask.
1325 [15:11:27] <jelly> !ask
1326 [15:11:27] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1327 [15:11:38] <FLUFFY_CAT> Do I need to wear a barb to use debian effectively?
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1330 [15:11:53] *** jelly sets mode: +b fluffy_cat!*@*$##arguments
1331 [15:11:54] *** jelly sets mode: +b *!*@lns-bzn-58-82-251-215-83.adsl.proxad.net$##arguments
1332 [15:12:04] <jelly> yes. Yes you do.
1333 [15:12:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: -o jelly
1334 [15:12:07] <joepublic> Thank you for asking. Your question will be considered in depth and the answers revealed at the appropriate time.
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1336 [15:12:39] <jelly> hmph, your answer was better.
1337 [15:12:44] <joepublic> heh chanserv sets +o before the question even asked :)
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1339 [15:13:12] <jelly> ChanServ has limited precog abilities.
1340 [15:13:23] <joepublic> AI and all that.
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1342 [15:15:09] <tharkun> joepublic: Lovely answer. Should be on a factoid :)
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1344 [15:15:52] <jelly> dpkg, ask a stupid question is <reply>Thank you for asking. Your question will be considered in depth and the answers revealed at the appropriate time.
1345 [15:15:53] <dpkg> jelly: okay
1346 [15:16:08] <jelly> dpkg, asq is <reply>see ask a stupid question
1347 [15:16:08] <dpkg> okay, jelly
1348 [15:16:39] <jelly> also, personalized
1349 [15:16:47] <joepublic> nice.
1350 [15:17:14] <jelly> dpkg: CMD: asq (.*?) is <reply>Thank you for asking, $1. Your question will be considered in depth and the answers revealed at the appropriate time.
1351 [15:17:14] <jelly> <dpkg> jelly: okay
1352 [15:17:15] <dpkg> jelly: okay
1353 [15:17:18] <jelly> oops
1354 [15:17:31] <jelly> !asq joepublic
1355 [15:17:31] <dpkg> Thank you for asking, $1. Your question will be considered in depth and the answers revealed at the appropriate time.
1356 [15:17:42] * jelly fails
1357 [15:18:39] <jelly> !mdk joepublic
1358 [15:18:39] * dpkg slices and dices jelly and throws him in the trash
1359 [15:18:51] <mdk> ?
1360 [15:18:52] <joepublic> I guess $1 is you, not them
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1362 [15:19:16] <jelly> ahaha, you're using that as a nickname, sorry
1363 [15:19:43] <mdk> jelly: no worries, out of curiosity what would mdk mean in this context ? :]
1364 [15:20:08] <jelly> I hoped for murder, death, kill
1365 [15:20:16] <jelly> !miss joepublic
1366 [15:20:16] * dpkg whips from his hip a six shooter and fires just to the right of joepublic
1367 [15:20:31] <joepublic> there you go.
1368 [15:21:13] <joepublic> dpkg, miss the known universe
1369 [15:21:13] * dpkg whips from his hip a six shooter and fires just to the right of the known universe
1370 [15:22:05] <mdk> ok. I'll be happy if you don't use it a lot (it raises desktop notification... :p)
1371 [15:22:35] <joepublic> my hexchat crashes on desktop notification, so I unfortunately can't be inconvenienced in that way
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1378 [15:28:36] <joepublic> hmm, notify-send also hangs.
1379 [15:29:32] <rapha> jelly: sorry, little emergency here at home ... back now.
1380 [15:30:44] <rapha> jelly: replaced-url
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1384 [15:32:30] <rapha> jelly: and just out of curiosity, did this again: replaced-url
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1388 [15:35:21] <petn-randall> Hahaha, poor mdk. Sorry!
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1395 [15:40:53] <jelly> rapha: ah. you seem to have some pinning in place. Rename or move away your /etc/apt/preferences file if it exist
1396 [15:40:56] <jelly> s
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1398 [15:42:53] <jelly> rapha: could be also under /etc/apt/preferences.d/, or a Default-Release set in /etc/apt/apt.conf or under /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
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1400 [15:43:25] <BadLuckBob> help with fdisk, please. man pages aren't making it clear. replaced-url
1401 [15:43:25] <rapha> jelly: rm'd everything in that directory, now it's working. thank you!
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1415 [15:50:53] <jelly> rapha: read the release notes for jessie, eg. if you have apache, going from 2.2 to 2.4 is likely to break things.
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1417 [15:51:29] <tharkun> s/likely to/will/
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1419 [15:52:08] <jelly> and they tell you how to log the upgrade process output to a file, which can be helpful as last resort documentation or if things go awry
1420 [15:52:23] <jelly> tharkun: well it does not break ALL the things
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1422 [15:52:52] <jelly> just Allow / Deny and auth and some other stuff
1423 [15:53:33] <tharkun> Well, the "other stuff" is the concerning part.
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1425 [15:54:20] <jelly> eh, it wasn't a whole lot of work to fix
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1428 [15:54:51] <jelly> oh, and sysvinit to systemd, but that surprisingly breaks very little on a server
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1533 [16:54:50] <valdyn> BadLuckBob: you can extend sda2. That would create space for sda5 to grow or for a new partition sda6
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1535 [16:55:31] <valdyn> BadLuckBob: sda3 is another primary partitiin in a spot that is making it useless
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1538 [16:58:37] <BadLuckBob> valdyn: I never wrote that config - sda3 doesn't exist. i think sda5 is the space i added via vbox. I'm dl'ing a gparted iso right now - maybe i can boot the guest with it and do something.
1539 [16:59:05] <valdyn> BadLuckBob: i know it does not really exist, so you dont have to delete it
1540 [17:00:05] <valdyn> BadLuckBob: if you dont know already, learn what a Primary partition is, what an Extended partition is and what a logical partition is. Your situation is trivial after you know that it seems
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1542 [17:00:23] <tharkun> I am failing at make the freedos bootable usb. So far I've done the following replaced-url
1543 [17:00:24] <BadLuckBob> i'm going to look for an fdisk tuitorial. man page expects me to know more than i do.
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1547 [17:01:12] <tharkun> BadLuckBob: I glanced at your pastebin and it seems that you are using LVM
1548 [17:01:33] <b1ack0p> BadLuckBob: why do they call you badluck? :p
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1550 [17:02:00] <BadLuckBob> oh? invoked with fdisk command,
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1552 [17:02:30] <valdyn> BadLuckBob: maybe you also need to state your actual issue
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1555 [17:03:05] <BadLuckBob> black0p: every day i'm grateful for that nick! :D
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1559 [17:04:52] <BadLuckBob> valdyn: I was installing stuff and /usr went full. I need more space there and I probably should move /usr to it's own partition.
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1561 [17:05:19] <b1ack0p> BadLuckBob: lol
1562 [17:05:21] <tharkun> b1ack0p: Research kippa, we use them in many ways.
1563 [17:06:10] <BadLuckBob> I may just build another guest and start over. LOL
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1568 [17:06:41] <valdyn> BadLuckBob: just grow the logical volume /dev/mapper/debianone--vg-root
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1572 [17:07:54] <valdyn> BadLuckBob: there should be free space, run vgs
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1575 [17:12:32] <BadLuckBob> valdyn: I'll try vgs.
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1584 [17:16:55] <rapha> jelly: that's my reason for doing this. I'm expecting Apache, Nginx, Postfix, Dovecot, PostgreSQL and MySQL to all potentially break.
1585 [17:18:05] <karlpinc> rapha: Mostly it's apache.
1586 [17:18:20] <rapha> Oh, interesting. The less work the better :)
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1598 [17:22:06] <tharkun> rapha: if you have a solid configuration on postfix it will not break as well as dovecot, postgres and nginx. Mysql will hold its ground and Apache well I stopped using it a while back.
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1600 [17:22:52] <rapha> that's unfortunately the last apache i still have to have around
1601 [17:23:54] <mi11k1> nginx for reverse proxy and throwing stuff up without a fuss, everything else Apache
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1604 [17:25:27] <mi11k1> actually, Apache has been good to me lately
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1608 [17:26:29] <tharkun> rapha: postfix has postconf -n that will show your particular needs, research the documentation and if nothing changes it will work. Dovecot has the same functionality. postgres is "Rock Solid" but beware that you need to do text backups (pg_dump) to upgrade to a recent version, I think that also aplies to mysql. nginx -t will check the config files of your websites so you can do that on an isolated environment before migrating and adjusting config f
1609 [17:26:41] <nyov> what's wrong with apache? :D 2.4 is pretty cool after the config upgrades. I think it's mostly mod-php or suexec that kills the fun for people?
1610 [17:27:29] <jelly> context IS the wheezy->jessie release upgrade
1611 [17:27:39] <nyov> anyway, quick question about mariadb upgrade: can I purge 10.1/stretch while installing 10.3/buster packages?
1612 [17:27:40] <mi11k1> email is such a pain in the ass, put it on hosting.
1613 [17:28:03] <nyov> or will that kill some configs or even the mariadb databases?
1614 [17:28:05] <jelly> I replaced suphp on wheezy with php-fpm
1615 [17:28:21] <jelly> for jessie
1616 [17:28:43] <nyov> yes, I think if you use fpm or fcgi with apache, as you would with nginx, it seems not too different speedy-wise
1617 [17:30:24] <nyov> only oops moment I had, was that it was back to prefork after the buster upgrade, when the -worker and -prefork apache packages went away, I think
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1620 [17:31:08] <jelly> that typically means you did not read what apt said it would do
1621 [17:31:28] <mi11k1> That sounds painful
1622 [17:32:07] <mi11k1> nebody mess with tvheadend?
1623 [17:32:08] <jelly> accepting new apache.conf and reonfiguring based on that helps
1624 [17:32:15] <nyov> prolly skipped the upgrade reads. I had to a2disconf mpm_prefork and a2enconf mpm_event
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1631 [17:42:25] <oldshoe> How do I paste commands copied from firefox into xterm. Before Buster, this used to work
1632 [17:42:40] <oldshoe> How do I paste commands copied from firefox into xterm? Before Buster, this used to work
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1636 [17:43:55] <jelly> oldshoe: you need to explicitely copy (control-c, or use Edit -> Copy from the menu) in Firefox for it to populate the clipboard
1637 [17:43:58] <oldshoe> Right click now turns xterm black, instead of inserting
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1639 [17:44:07] <jelly> mere selection does not work (any more)
1640 [17:44:22] <valdyn> oldshoe: xterm or vim in xterm?
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1642 [17:44:32] <oldshoe> letme try
1643 [17:44:37] <jelly> right click never did paste in xterm. Middle click would paste the primary selection.
1644 [17:44:58] <jelly> but firefox uses clipboard not selection now.
1645 [17:45:20] <tharkun> And depending on the underlying program shift middle button will get the job done.
1646 [17:45:35] <jelly> or Shift-Insert
1647 [17:46:09] <oldshoe> I get " ^C "
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1650 [17:48:17] <jelly> control c in firefox to copy, not in xterm
1651 [17:48:37] <jelly> shift insert to paste
1652 [17:48:44] <oldshoe> shift insert seems to do it
1653 [17:48:47] <oldshoe> thanks
1654 [17:48:54] <jelly> or try middle click or shift middle click
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1656 [17:51:18] <oldshoe> menu right-click works in gnome-terminal, which is hidden in "Utilities"
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1665 [17:59:40] <fling> How do I create a dummy service? -> Failed to preset unit: Unit file /etc/systemd/system/systemd-networkd.service is masked. \n /usr/bin/deb-systemd-helper: error: systemctl preset failed on systemd-networkd.service: No such file or directory
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1687 [18:14:29] <stellardens> Hello people
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1689 [18:15:18] <stellardens> I'm having one issue with virt-manager, when I launch it it says: "Warning: KVM is not avalible. This may mean that the KVM package is not installed, or that the KVM modules are not lodaded. Your virtual machines may preform poorly."
1690 [18:15:41] <stellardens> I checked if I have /usr/bin/qemu-system and I do have that
1691 [18:15:53] <stellardens> not sure where else to check or what to check
1692 [18:16:53] <stellardens> qemu-kvm/stable,now 1:3.1+dfsg-8+deb10u3 amd64 [installed]
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1694 [18:17:14] <stellardens> lsmod | grep kvm
1695 [18:17:15] <stellardens> kvm 749568 0
1696 [18:17:15] <stellardens> irqbypass 16384 1 kvm
1697 [18:17:17] <jelly> stellardens: which debian release is this and are you using the default kernel?
1698 [18:17:19] <stellardens> Everything checks out?
1699 [18:17:51] <jelly> stellardens: also which CPU is this?
1700 [18:18:08] <stellardens> Version 10.2, Kernel is default, yes.
1701 [18:18:15] <stellardens> Cpu is Intel i7-4800MQ
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1703 [18:18:28] <jelly> stellardens: is "kvm_intel" kernel module loaded?
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1705 [18:19:03] <tharkun> stellardens: Is virtualization enabled on your BIOS?
1706 [18:19:17] <jelly> perhaps VT-x is disabl... what he said.
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1708 [18:19:25] <stellardens> cat /proc/modules | grep kvm
1709 [18:19:25] <stellardens> kvm 749568 0 - Live 0x0000000000000000
1710 [18:19:25] <stellardens> irqbypass 16384 1 kvm, Live 0x0000000000000000
1711 [18:19:28] <stellardens> Yes
1712 [18:19:31] <jelly> stellardens: no.
1713 [18:19:34] <stellardens> Oh lte me check if VT-x is disabled
1714 [18:19:37] <stellardens> I think it is
1715 [18:19:41] <jelly> it's called kvm_intel.
1716 [18:19:48] <stellardens> Oh
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1718 [18:19:55] <stellardens> How do I check, jelly?
1719 [18:19:57] <stellardens> I'm not sure
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1721 [18:20:04] <jelly> if it's not in lsmod, it's not loaded
1722 [18:20:09] <stellardens> it's not in lsmod
1723 [18:20:10] <stellardens> not loaded
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1725 [18:20:27] <jelly> try to load it manually and see what happens, and what appears in dmesg
1726 [18:20:36] <stellardens> Gonna do that now, second
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1728 [18:22:23] <stellardens> well, no go
1729 [18:22:31] <stellardens> I tried first "service libvirtd start", had that idea
1730 [18:22:42] <stellardens> and it starts fine
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1732 [18:22:48] <stellardens> but lsmod still no kvm_intel
1733 [18:22:56] <stellardens> then I attempted to load it with modprobe
1734 [18:23:04] <stellardens> still no kvm_intel in lsmod
1735 [18:23:05] <stellardens> but!
1736 [18:23:11] <stellardens> I think vt-x is disabled in bios
1737 [18:23:15] <stellardens> I'll go reboot now and check
1738 [18:23:54] <stellardens> Sorry I have to disconnect form IRC but I'll be back to report back
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1753 [18:27:57] <nulld1g1t> hi there
1754 [18:28:30] <nulld1g1t> currently performing a live install of Debian SID on Sparc64
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1756 [18:28:47] <joepublic> awesome
1757 [18:28:57] <nulld1g1t> hey joepublic
1758 [18:29:04] <nulld1g1t> yeah getting started
1759 [18:29:19] <nulld1g1t> on my brand new old stock Netra T2000
1760 [18:29:30] <nulld1g1t> so far so good
1761 [18:29:45] <nulld1g1t> DVD burned with SID for Sparc64
1762 [18:29:54] <nulld1g1t> booted correctly on the dvd
1763 [18:30:04] <nulld1g1t> boot cdrom
1764 [18:30:12] <joepublic> good sign. I dunno how the boot loader works on those machines
1765 [18:30:12] <nulld1g1t> did the trick
1766 [18:30:20] <nulld1g1t> it's called SILO
1767 [18:30:28] <nulld1g1t> kind of Lilo
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1769 [18:30:33] <nulld1g1t> in firmware
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1771 [18:30:43] <jelly> except with even less features than lilo
1772 [18:31:08] <jelly> !sparc
1773 [18:31:08] <dpkg> SPARC is the CPU architecture used in Sun Microsystem's proprietary hardware (replaced-url
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1775 [18:31:33] <nulld1g1t> yes dpkg bot, that's that
1776 [18:31:38] <nulld1g1t> hehehe
1777 [18:31:41] <stellardens> I'm back
1778 [18:32:04] <stellardens> VT-d was disabled in bios. Upon enabling it and rebooting - lsmod shows kvm_intel.
1779 [18:32:08] <stellardens> Everything works great
1780 [18:32:08] <nulld1g1t> joepublic, jelly: the network cards , a total of 4 of them
1781 [18:32:10] <stellardens> Thanks! :)
1782 [18:32:16] <nulld1g1t> seem to be recognized properly
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1785 [18:32:47] <nulld1g1t> rememeber, there is no graphic card I do that from a console port with minicom
1786 [18:33:01] <joepublic> sounds reasonable,.
1787 [18:33:11] <nulld1g1t> currently I am at the disk partitioning step
1788 [18:33:17] <nulld1g1t> always a difficult one for me
1789 [18:33:17] * jelly has a couple Sun Fire 400 something machines sitting in the basement unloved
1790 [18:33:24] <jelly> nulld1g1t: did you see the channel on oftc thing
1791 [18:33:54] <jelly> they might know more about how sparc-specific things work
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1793 [18:34:28] <jrtc27> sparc64 uses grub2 these days
1794 [18:34:42] <nulld1g1t> for now, I just want to get to a boot state so I'll go quick on the partitioning
1795 [18:35:10] <jelly> admittedly there're like 8 people in there now
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1797 [18:35:23] <nulld1g1t> technically I have two hotswap disks SAS of 146GB each
1798 [18:35:28] <jrtc27> cbmuser doesn't seem to be in there any more
1799 [18:35:32] <jelly> and I know for a fact 12.5% of those haven't touched sparc in a decade
1800 [18:35:36] <jrtc27> he and I are the two porters
1801 [18:35:40] <nulld1g1t> I think I want to raid 1 them
1802 [18:35:54] <jrtc27> OFTC/#debian-ports is the catch-all for non-release architecture support
1803 [18:35:58] <nulld1g1t> let's go manual on partitioning
1804 [18:35:59] <joepublic> add complexity to a sparc64 sid install, sure, sounds legit
1805 [18:36:14] <jelly> jrtc27: good to know, thanks
1806 [18:36:17] <jrtc27> joepublic: why the negativity?
1807 [18:36:35] <joepublic> I don't mean to be negative -- I love doing stuff like this.
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1810 [18:37:06] <jrtc27> sparc64 is pretty solid for a non-release architecture
1811 [18:37:13] <joepublic> it's actually got me looking on ebay for sparcitecture-ish machines
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1816 [18:40:15] <celphi> i just installed firmware-10.3 and i cannot get passed the part fsckd-cancel-msg
1817 [18:40:33] <celphi> any suggestions?
1818 [18:41:01] <celphi> i did manual install
1819 [18:41:03] <nulld1g1t> which filesystem does grub2 accept ?
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1821 [18:41:18] <celphi> it's a brand new computer too
1822 [18:41:22] <jelly> nulld1g1t: ext3 is ok, ext4 probably too
1823 [18:41:25] <jrtc27> I would suggest ext4
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1825 [18:41:40] <jrtc27> only SILO had an ext3-or-below requirement
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1827 [18:41:58] <nulld1g1t> so ext3 it will be
1828 [18:42:00] <jrtc27> supported filesystems shouldn't be any different from grub2-pc
1829 [18:42:06] <jrtc27> why?
1830 [18:42:32] <nulld1g1t> Silo is the booting system firware thingy from Sun Microsystem
1831 [18:42:45] <jrtc27> we don't use silo
1832 [18:42:50] <jrtc27> the firmware is openfirmware
1833 [18:42:51] <nulld1g1t> I need it to be able to boot on the disk
1834 [18:43:03] <jrtc27> which then boots whatever bootloader you put on there
1835 [18:43:23] <nulld1g1t> jrtc27: who is "we"
1836 [18:43:23] <jrtc27> the sparc64 installer has been putting grub2 on your disk for 1 or 2 years now, maybe more
1837 [18:43:29] <jrtc27> the sparc64 port
1838 [18:43:36] <jrtc27> for which I am one of the two porters
1839 [18:43:41] <nulld1g1t> why do you suggest jrtc27
1840 [18:43:44] <nulld1g1t> ?
1841 [18:44:15] <nulld1g1t> ext3 or ext4 ? however I can't see the system recovering from a crash on the boot partition
1842 [18:44:25] <jrtc27> I would just do whatever the installer defaults to
1843 [18:44:27] <nulld1g1t> even if it is journalized
1844 [18:44:45] <nulld1g1t> I am partitioning my disks
1845 [18:44:46] <jrtc27> that _may_ still be ext3, and the build servers I run still seem to use ext3 for /boot, but ext4 should also work just as well
1846 [18:44:50] <nulld1g1t> to be raid !
1847 [18:44:55] <nulld1g1t> raid1
1848 [18:45:08] <nulld1g1t> so ext3 it is
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1850 [18:45:59] <nulld1g1t> boot ext3 256 MB
1851 [18:46:12] <jelly> personally I like having options even for boot loaders, so I tend to leave ext3 for /boot even on x86, even if grub2 has worked reasonably well there for a decade
1852 [18:46:25] <jrtc27> /dev/vdiska1 976M 134M 791M 15% /boot
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1854 [18:46:30] <nulld1g1t> bootable flag is now on
1855 [18:46:30] <jrtc27> on one of our servers
1856 [18:46:34] <jrtc27> 256M is quite tight
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1858 [18:46:54] <jrtc27> although another is /dev/vdiska2 936M 61M 828M 7% /boot
1859 [18:46:55] <nulld1g1t> jrtc27: really
1860 [18:47:04] <jelly> nulld1g1t: half a gig is okay
1861 [18:47:23] <nulld1g1t> let's go for a gig, I feel generous today hahahaa
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1863 [18:47:34] <jrtc27> yeah I tend to just go for an overkill 1G and never have to worry about it
1864 [18:47:42] <jelly> 250 is like 4 kernel+initrds these days
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1868 [18:48:08] <nulld1g1t> I'll probably stick to one kernel to be honest
1869 [18:48:23] <nulld1g1t> but I am happy to give it more space no biggie
1870 [18:48:42] <jelly> you want to have two different ABIs at any time if you break one
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1872 [18:48:49] <nulld1g1t> remaking the boot partition ...
1873 [18:49:28] <jrtc27> eh, kernel is ~15M, initrd ~25M for sparc64 currently, so you'd get a bit over 6 in 256M :)
1874 [18:49:34] <jrtc27> but right ballpark
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1876 [18:50:31] <nulld1g1t> lol I see different opinions here for the boot partition size, don't bother chaps 1GB won't hurt
1877 [18:50:47] <nulld1g1t> jelly: can you elaborate please
1878 [18:50:53] <celphi> Anyone have any suggestions?1
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1883 [18:53:15] <joepublic> "hmm, that's odd, let me try the other kernel" => knowledge, solutions
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1885 [18:54:28] <nulld1g1t> bootable flag ...
1886 [18:54:38] <nulld1g1t> only on boot partition ?
1887 [18:54:45] <nulld1g1t> the layout is the following
1888 [18:55:06] <nulld1g1t> oups just reaalised I forgot the swap
1889 [18:55:08] <nulld1g1t> shoot
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1891 [18:56:13] <nulld1g1t> if my memory serves, it should be twice the size of the ram
1892 [18:56:27] <nulld1g1t> 64gb ram so 128 gb swap ...
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1895 [18:57:13] <nulld1g1t> do you put the swap on top of raid ? or on it's own per disk ?
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1899 [18:57:40] <nulld1g1t> my goodness my admin sys days are long gone hahaaha
1900 [18:58:10] <nulld1g1t> anyone to refresh my memory ?
1901 [18:59:01] <jelly> put it on raid.
1902 [18:59:19] <nulld1g1t> ok, on raid it will be :)
1903 [18:59:27] <jelly> do not have more than 1-4GB swap.
1904 [18:59:49] <nulld1g1t> even with ^$GB of RAM ?
1905 [18:59:51] <jelly> unless you want hibernation to work.
1906 [18:59:52] <nulld1g1t> 64
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1908 [19:00:08] <nulld1g1t> I will put this puppy in a datacenter
1909 [19:00:19] <nulld1g1t> hidden as a db backend
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1911 [19:00:31] <nulld1g1t> well protected by tons of security
1912 [19:00:47] <jelly> the system will become useless if it goes actively swapping long before that swap is filled up
1913 [19:01:01] <nulld1g1t> interesting jelly
1914 [19:01:06] <jelly> if your workload needs more RAM... buy more RAM.
1915 [19:01:14] <nulld1g1t> I like the thinking process
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1917 [19:01:24] <nulld1g1t> we can't put more on this machine
1918 [19:01:30] <nulld1g1t> more ram I mean
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1921 [19:01:42] <nulld1g1t> and 64gb is not bad
1922 [19:01:51] <jelly> it's not much thinking, more like opinion based in empiric evidence
1923 [19:02:04] <nulld1g1t> I like when people share experience
1924 [19:02:22] <nulld1g1t> and i will probably do not need that much swap anyways
1925 [19:02:34] <nulld1g1t> so 4gb sounds to me
1926 [19:02:50] <nulld1g1t> unless someone comes with a very specific counter indication
1927 [19:03:12] <jelly> there are some exceptions, but you can easily add swap files on linux if need be, and you can't easily recover space allocated for a partition
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1930 [19:03:50] <jelly> lvm makes some things easier, too
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1933 [19:04:19] <nulld1g1t> not using lvm
1934 [19:04:22] <nulld1g1t> no need
1935 [19:04:31] <nulld1g1t> enough additional layers for me
1936 [19:05:15] <jelly> it's okay not to use it if you have a small disk and are going to have just / fs
1937 [19:05:15] <nulld1g1t> I'd rather mount additional drives rather than wasting a lot of time playing with virtual space
1938 [19:05:46] <nulld1g1t> that's my empirical experience here hahaha
1939 [19:06:21] <nulld1g1t> do I need to have my raid partition bootable ?
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1941 [19:06:36] <nulld1g1t> anyone ?
1942 [19:06:51] <jelly> that's probably platform specific.
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1944 [19:07:24] <jelly> I have no idea what "bootable" means in sparc context (do you even have a sun label format?)
1945 [19:07:36] <jelly> (and slices not partitions?)
1946 [19:07:49] <nulld1g1t> standard stuff when partitioning sdet the bootable flag on or off
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1948 [19:08:09] <nulld1g1t> I am partitioning at the moment
1949 [19:08:21] <soul-d> mmm reading the dist-upgrade stuff do i need to worry about my official nvidia-drivers , also do i need to fix apt sources to include security updates after upgrade ?
1950 [19:08:22] <jelly> on x86 that's completely useless, only DOS and windows 95-me cared about that flag
1951 [19:08:26] <jrtc27> old sparcs need sun label, new sparcs can do gpt
1952 [19:08:33] <nulld1g1t> but it's been so long I did it, I can't hardly remember the subtulties
1953 [19:08:36] <jelly> linux never cared about bootable flag
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1955 [19:08:45] <jelly> nor did grub
1956 [19:09:01] <jelly> jrtc27: how new is that
1957 [19:09:07] <jrtc27> hm or maybe it does gpt everywhere
1958 [19:09:12] <nulld1g1t> I made my boot partition bootable
1959 [19:09:15] <jrtc27> so, t4 is the first that has support for booting from gpt
1960 [19:09:23] <nulld1g1t> now I prepare my raid partitions
1961 [19:09:38] <nulld1g1t> my system is a T1
1962 [19:09:45] <nulld1g1t> Netra T2000
1963 [19:09:46] <jrtc27> I *think* you can still boot from gpt on earlier ones, you just can't have grub use openfirmware to read the disk, it instead does blocklists
1964 [19:09:55] <jrtc27> but whatever the installer does should work
1965 [19:09:56] <jelly> ouch
1966 [19:10:10] <nulld1g1t> you know what we will see
1967 [19:10:17] <nulld1g1t> I don't care if it crashes
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1969 [19:10:29] <nulld1g1t> let's have fun trying for old times sake
1970 [19:10:34] <jrtc27> well, it's blocklists for the stage2, your kernel is still read with the grub modules
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1974 [19:11:28] <jelly> soul-d: nvidia drivers installed with nvidia's own installer replace files without the package system knowing about it. Upgrades may overwrite some of that, and you might need to reinstall nvidia after each upgrade.
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1976 [19:12:13] <jelly> soul-d: if you want to avoid that particular mess, use Debian's packaging of nvidia drivers available via non-free sources
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1978 [19:12:35] <jelly> soul-d: but not all nvidia driver versions are available packaged
1979 [19:13:22] <jelly> soul-d: read the release notes for the release you're upgrading to.
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1981 [19:13:45] <soul-d> yeh i messed with that cause of some cuda stuff a while back ill keep in mind and not be suprised if it breaks . but before all that i need coffee and think about what to backup more
1982 [19:14:00] <soul-d> yeah ill reread the link dpkg gave me for strech>buster
1983 [19:14:01] <jelly> why not backup everything
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1985 [19:14:59] <soul-d> yeah did most of the recommended backups listed but stuff like webrowser passwords and all that stuff
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1988 [19:15:50] <jrtc27> ok so the installer should be using a sun label for pre-t4
1989 [19:16:12] <jrtc27> (partman-partitioning lib/disk-label.sh)
1990 [19:16:16] <nulld1g1t> raid1 partition is created , z=we 're progressing
1991 [19:16:20] <soul-d> don't have a disk /space to do a litteral full backup though
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2007 [19:38:00] <nulld1g1t> 4 raid partitions later
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2009 [19:38:19] <nulld1g1t> installing base system ...
2010 [19:38:24] <nulld1g1t> exiting
2011 [19:38:35] <nulld1g1t> all from minicom
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2013 [19:38:49] <nulld1g1t> first time I have to do that
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2026 [19:44:34] <mi11k1> nulld1g1t: what raid are you playing with?
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2028 [19:46:40] <nulld1g1t> mi11k1: raid 1
2029 [19:47:08] <nulld1g1t> 2 partitions for the filesystem and 2 small partitions for the swap
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2032 [19:47:56] <mi11k1> hardware or software?
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2035 [19:48:30] <nulld1g1t> software on the 2 SAS 15k disks
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2038 [19:48:55] <mi11k1> I have a few 300gigs in the shelf
2039 [19:49:18] <mi11k1> my r620 doesnt have a controller
2040 [19:49:36] <mi11k1> just has 10gig nics instead
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2042 [19:49:52] <nulld1g1t> nice to have these ready
2043 [19:50:38] <nulld1g1t> ohh I need a hostname for a mirror
2044 [19:50:45] <nulld1g1t> it's not providing them by default
2045 [19:50:56] <mi11k1> even though I don’t quite understand why, I prefer zfs
2046 [19:51:08] <nulld1g1t> it might be because SID on sparc64 is no longer supported officially
2047 [19:51:32] <nulld1g1t> does anyone know a mirror for sparc64 ?
2048 [19:51:36] <mi11k1> what is sparc arch anyways?
2049 [19:52:06] <nulld1g1t> Sun Microsystem UltraSparc 64bit microprocessors
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2051 [19:52:22] <nulld1g1t> mine is an ultrasparc T1
2052 [19:52:28] <nulld1g1t> 4 cores
2053 [19:52:34] <nulld1g1t> hee
2054 [19:52:42] <nulld1g1t> I mean 8 cores
2055 [19:52:45] <nulld1g1t> 4 threads per core
2056 [19:52:55] <nulld1g1t> so 32 logical processors
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2059 [19:57:00] <mi11k1> I’m on a phone and it’s hard to look stuff up. it’s a processor
2060 [19:57:11] <mi11k1> what socket does it fit?
2061 [19:58:04] <mi11k1> I just got an iPhone from a friend. I can’t function
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2063 [19:58:56] <nulld1g1t> replaced-url
2064 [19:59:03] <nulld1g1t> found a mirror here
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2066 [19:59:50] <mi11k1> lol, are you easily excited?
2067 [20:00:34] <mi11k1> what is that for ? a desktop?
2068 [20:01:02] <mi11k1> I’ve never come across sparc, just x86, mips, arm
2069 [20:01:43] <mi11k1> what is that thing go inside?
2070 [20:03:14] <nulld1g1t> mi11k1: it is a big server
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2072 [20:03:29] <nulld1g1t> and yes, very exited with this old beast
2073 [20:03:42] <nulld1g1t> I always loved architectures
2074 [20:03:57] <nulld1g1t> this one is a RISC processor
2075 [20:04:03] <nulld1g1t> architecture
2076 [20:04:04] <mi11k1> it’s a server? send me a link for info of the model
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2078 [20:04:14] <nulld1g1t> type Netra T2000
2079 [20:04:26] <mi11k1> that’s the name of the server?
2080 [20:04:27] <nulld1g1t> on gluglu.com
2081 [20:04:57] <nulld1g1t> the server name is "Netra T2000"
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2083 [20:05:31] <nulld1g1t> from Sun Microsystems now aquired by Oracle
2084 [20:06:02] <mi11k1> how much power does that tank use?
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2086 [20:06:44] <mi11k1> if there’s ever a tornado, just hold onto that thing
2087 [20:06:49] <mi11k1> you’ll be safe
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2096 [20:14:49] <jrtc27> nulld1g1t: mirror is deb.debian.org/debian-ports
2097 [20:15:09] <jrtc27> ah you worked out where to find one, good
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2099 [20:15:39] <jrtc27> (which of deb. and ftp.ports. is faster will vary, though in theory deb. should be faster in general...)
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2107 [20:18:42] <nulld1g1t> bad archive mirror
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2115 [20:21:02] <jrtc27> nulld1g1t: did you make sure to remove the pool-sparc64?
2116 [20:21:12] <jrtc27> host should be {deb,ftp.ports}.debian.org, path /debian
2117 [20:21:21] <jrtc27> uh, /debian-ports
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2121 [20:26:45] <BadLuckBob> valdyn> here's updated info: replaced-url
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2128 [20:29:05] <nulld1g1t> my goodness
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2130 [20:29:12] <nulld1g1t> still bad mirror
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2132 [20:32:05] <nulld1g1t> maybe I should carry on without mirror and try to configure apt sourcelist later
2133 [20:32:09] <nulld1g1t> ?
2134 [20:32:42] <nulld1g1t> ftp.ports.debian.org
2135 [20:32:46] <nulld1g1t> followed by
2136 [20:33:03] <nulld1g1t> slash debian-ports
2137 [20:33:05] <nulld1g1t> fails
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2139 [20:33:14] <nulld1g1t> with bad mirror
2140 [20:33:17] <nulld1g1t> pfff
2141 [20:33:40] <nulld1g1t> jrtc27: any other suggestion ?
2142 [20:34:27] <jrtc27> with replaced-url
2143 [20:34:43] <nulld1g1t> same issue
2144 [20:34:59] <nulld1g1t> I can see it tries to access the network
2145 [20:35:23] <nulld1g1t> it blinks behind the server where the nic is connected
2146 [20:35:51] <jrtc27> can you switch to the console (I think it's the third terminal) and see if there are any helpful error messages?
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2148 [20:36:28] <jrtc27> also, which ISO are you using? (full URL)
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2151 [20:38:16] <nulld1g1t> net install iso
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2153 [20:38:44] <nulld1g1t> replaced-url
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2159 [20:39:17] <jrtc27> don't use that image, it's from 2018
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2161 [20:39:33] <jrtc27> keyring will be outdated and will fail to verify the mirror
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2163 [20:39:42] <jrtc27> replaced-url
2164 [20:40:17] <nulld1g1t> this is what I am using to install
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2167 [20:40:48] <jrtc27> I know
2168 [20:41:01] <nulld1g1t> question is
2169 [20:41:07] <jrtc27> replaced-url
2170 [20:41:15] <nulld1g1t> can I carry on the install without apt
2171 [20:41:23] <jrtc27> no
2172 [20:41:25] <nulld1g1t> and put apt source list afterwards
2173 [20:41:26] <jrtc27> debootstrap will fail
2174 [20:41:31] <nulld1g1t> Ohhh shoot
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2176 [20:41:42] <nulld1g1t> why is it failing
2177 [20:41:54] <nulld1g1t> I really hate this mirror config
2178 [20:42:00] <jrtc27> because gpg keys expire
2179 [20:42:00] <nulld1g1t> very prompt to errors
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2182 [20:42:15] <jrtc27> and the ports archive rotates them annually
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2185 [20:43:02] <nulld1g1t> I noticed the following
2186 [20:43:06] <nulld1g1t> replaced-url
2187 [20:43:08] <jrtc27> in case you didn't see: <jrtc27> and the ports archive rotates them annually
2188 [20:43:11] <nulld1g1t> Known Caveats
2189 [20:43:27] <jrtc27> that's old information
2190 [20:43:29] <jrtc27> the installer works
2191 [20:43:37] <jrtc27> but you need to use a recent enough one that has the right keys
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2193 [20:43:55] <jrtc27> please just use the 2019-11-22 ISO I linked
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2195 [20:44:02] <nulld1g1t> but for now you can skip this step and move on to installing SILO on the hard disk. After you have rebooted into your new installation you can install the default Debian utilities by executing the following command.
2196 [20:44:09] <jrtc27> just ignore what it says
2197 [20:44:09] <jrtc27> please
2198 [20:44:14] <jrtc27> and just do what I'm telling you
2199 [20:44:40] <nulld1g1t> so I need to burn the other version of iso you mention
2200 [20:46:19] <nulld1g1t> can you confirm ?
2201 [20:46:22] <jrtc27> yes
2202 [20:47:14] <nulld1g1t> I am going to spend the night on this install Oh my
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2204 [20:48:04] * BadLuckBob revels in the life of a techie!
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2206 [20:48:29] <nulld1g1t> hahahah BadLuckBob
2207 [20:48:35] <nulld1g1t> brilliant
2208 [20:49:01] <nulld1g1t> well well I am going to burn this other dvd and be back after dear friends
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2211 [20:50:15] <nulld1g1t> but before that I will still try to carry on the install just for the sake of seeing the error
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2213 [20:50:59] <jrtc27> honestly I think you're completely wasting your time trying to do anything more with that old ISO, but that's your problem not mine :)
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2218 [20:53:52] <nulld1g1t> jrtc27: it is just for the sake of seeing the error message
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2232 [21:04:49] <nodiscc> hi, is there a way to change grub2's GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT without editing /etc/default/grub (for example from /etc/grub.d/?)
2233 [21:05:24] <nodiscc> i want to distribute custom grub otpions to workstations without preventing apt from upgrading /etc/default/grub
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2238 [21:09:53] <jrtc27> you can just drop a file in /etc/grub.d like the other to modify GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX etc
2239 [21:10:14] <jrtc27> make sure it has a lower number than 10 though so its effects are visible to 10_linux which will write out the config
2240 [21:12:18] <nodiscc> jrtc27: so a file /etc/grub.d/09_linux_cmdline, with just this content should do it?
2241 [21:12:21] <nodiscc> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash acpi_osi=Linux acpi_backlight=vendor apparmor=1 security=apparmor"
2242 [21:12:25] <nulld1g1t> if I can
2243 [21:12:35] <jrtc27> hm, or maybe not, it seems it forks for each rather than sourcing :(
2244 [21:12:58] <nulld1g1t> well, I have another pb on my hands, it just does not boot on disks
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2249 [21:14:20] <nodiscc> on the other hand it looks like /etc/default/grub has not changed since at least jessie... might be ok to just overwrite it
2250 [21:14:26] <nodiscc> (replaced-url
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2287 [21:44:35] <soul-d> jelly, thx sofar blocking nouveau was hardest part :D but all i needed to do did have a scary moment cause some java pakacages gave errors during upgrade but sofar everything seems good oh i din't know i had speakers in my screen lol so have to figure out why pulseaudio thing doesnt see the onboard audio out :(
2288 [21:44:45] <soul-d> so there is that
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2292 [21:47:37] <nodiscc> soul-d: whats your probelm with audio? aplay -l should tell you if the soundcard is detected
2293 [21:47:45] <nodiscc> by alsa
2294 [21:48:01] <nodiscc> ans pactl list-sinks should tell if its picked up by pulse
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2300 [21:51:03] <soul-d> it playing trough hdmi and no other availble device no - for that command but no first command does show it card 0 pch :hda intell card 1: nvidia
2301 [21:51:31] <soul-d> but only sink#0 ...HDMI
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2313 [22:00:01] <nodiscc> pactl list cards
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2324 [22:04:14] <soul-d> only nvidia shows up there
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2361 [22:19:22] <nodiscc> soul-d: did you install some unusual audio program or such? something might be locking exclusive access to the soundcard
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2363 [22:19:41] <nodiscc> you can reset pulseaudio for your session: rm -r ~/.config/pulse && pulseaudio -k
2364 [22:19:41] <soul-d> no just did a dist-upgrade come from strech to buster
2365 [22:20:37] <nodiscc> this should tell you if the alsa driver is loaded (i think its loaded else it wouldn't show in aplay -l): lsmod | grep snd_hda_intel
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2368 [22:21:19] <nodiscc> you can do pulseaudio --start and look in /var/log/syslog if there are any errors
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2370 [22:22:20] <nodiscc> in doubt you can also add yourself to the 'audio' group (i don't think its necessary) and restart pulseaudio also
2371 [22:23:01] <nodiscc> replaced-url
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2386 [22:31:35] <soul-d> starting pulseaudio.succeded but also followed by rtkit-deamon
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2388 [22:32:03] <soul-d> i think i tried to run audio realtime once like half year back cause i had some inputlag on a midi device
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2409 [22:45:19] <etraga> Hello world. Do you know which channel is most appropriate to speak about routers?
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2415 [22:49:02] <soul-d> midi keyboard (usb) is still plug and play so i can play audio on its speakers
2416 [22:49:55] <soul-d> at least better then screen speakers ill look on to why on board doesn't show tommorow it getting late thanks for the pointers nodiscc
2417 [22:50:50] <nodiscc> soul-d: np, hope you find out. wait do you have jackd running?
2418 [22:51:24] <nodiscc> jack can lock exclusive access to a card, so i'd try to stop it with qjackctl if you have it
2419 [22:51:37] <nodiscc> etraga: probably here if the router is running debian
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2423 [22:54:33] <soul-d> i have but it complains jack serveris not running or cannot be started
2424 [22:54:39] <etraga> nodiscc It's a closed router (HP) but I think my question is global
2425 [22:55:08] <soul-d> but man doesn't show a stop /kill for qjackctl or other thing like jackd
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2428 [22:56:01] <nodiscc> soul-d ok if jack is not running it's probably not that... look in htop/task manager if jackd is running and kill it
2429 [22:56:13] <nodiscc> etraga: idk if there are generic networking irc channels
2430 [22:57:04] <soul-d> jackdbus ?
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2433 [22:58:01] <etraga> I'm in a weird situation with my HP router, I've made NAT rules (WAN to LAN ip:port), Nat rules work, but my LAN devices cannot access to wan through gateway. Is there a name for this behaviour that I can search in my User manual?
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2436 [22:59:01] <nodiscc> soul-d: i don't know about jackdbus, try to kill/disable it and restart pulseaudio, check if your card is detected
2437 [23:00:11] <nodiscc> etraga: you have setup DNAT (destination nat), but you need SNAT (source nat) to go from LAN to WAN
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2441 [23:02:08] <soul-d> yep
2442 [23:02:16] <soul-d> timidty and jackdbus where interfering
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2444 [23:02:20] <nodiscc> :)
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2452 [23:03:33] <etraga> nodiscc In my case name is "Internal server". I don't know if I was clear but for example I have a web server in my LAN and I can access to it from WAN (with my NAT rules), but I have a smtp server in my wan I cannot access to it from a lan server
2453 [23:03:38] <plexure> test
2454 [23:03:48] <plexure> hey it works
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2456 [23:04:24] <nodiscc> soul-d: there are pulse modules for jack so you can run both simultaneously with a bit o config (check replaced-url
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2458 [23:05:07] <etraga> nodiscc Without SNAT I wouldn't receive any response from my web server don't I ?
2459 [23:05:42] <nodiscc> etraga: yes need to make sure your gateway routing is properly set up (ip route get $smtp_serve_ip from the lan server), adn you probably need SNAT
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2462 [23:06:01] <nodiscc> probably a question for replaced-url
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2465 [23:07:39] <etraga> nodiscc It's not weird that is not a default behaviour?
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2470 [23:08:43] <nodiscc> etraga: in my experience enterprise stuff routers come with blank configuration, you have to do everything yourself. its a good thing i think
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2473 [23:09:35] <etraga> nodiscc It's my first time with this time of router so maybe... Thanks you for your help, i'll investigate :)
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2475 [23:09:43] <etraga> nodiscc this type*
2476 [23:09:59] <soul-d> cool ill check that out tommorow it getting late but most important* things of the distro upgrade are fixed :D now i need a break
2477 [23:10:26] <plexure> can you guys read my message? idk if it's sending or not, new to irc
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2483 [23:12:00] <neox> yep
2484 [23:12:11] <neox> plexure : we can read
2485 [23:14:14] <etraga> nodiscc Last question, the only part where I can configure any nat related features are "Internal servers" and "Dynamic NAT". I think it's "Dynamic NAT"? For is "Interface" and "Translation mode" (Interface address, PAT, No-PAT)
2486 [23:14:30] <etraga> Form*
2487 [23:15:24] <nodiscc> etraga: these terms/config are specific to the router/brand... your best bet is to check the HP manual
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2490 [23:17:32] <nodiscc> you need the manual or it will be hell. damn proprietary networking gear is awful to work with... good luck
2491 [23:17:53] <etraga> nodiscc The manual just repeat what it's written on UI ^^. You think I have to enable dynamic nat on my Local interface?
2492 [23:18:21] <etraga> nodiscc I have the manual, but it's horrible ahah
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2494 [23:19:36] <nodiscc> I think dynamic NAT is when you have a pool (multiple) of public IP adresses... not sure... i don't know... yes it will be painful :)
2495 [23:22:01] <etraga> nodiscc Thanks you ^^ I'll try to don't jump out the window since tomorrow...
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