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109 [01:08:33] <budlight> hello
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112 [01:16:01] <Lyma> EHLO
113 [01:16:14] <joepublic> Ack
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320 [04:55:13] <xcorshinex> is there anyway to make middle click touchpad work on xfce debian 10?
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478 [07:43:23] <radkos> I'm trying to create my own debian installation with preseed but it seems the install media uses isolinux configs - I would rather use grub.cfg
479 [07:43:31] <radkos> how can I switch to it?
480 [07:43:34] <radkos> do I need to rebuild the initramfs?
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487 [07:48:35] <jm_> you mean you want to create installation media that use grub?
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491 [07:50:26] <radkos> yes
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493 [07:50:47] <radkos> it's currently using isolinux as I see but it's easier to configure grub menu entries than isolinux ones
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496 [07:51:20] <jm_> try #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net
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508 [08:04:57] <countdr> I wrote a script to delete all .ko files not in lsmod. Works well with wireless hardware.
509 [08:05:10] <countdr> E.g wireless printer
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674 [09:38:56] <Antoine-> Hello, if I want to run a cron job every 5 minutes between 08:00 and 08:30 every day, would this be correct? 0-30/5 08-09 * * * command
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677 [09:39:53] <Antoine-> No wait, this one: 0-30/5 08 * * * command
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679 [09:41:08] <jm_> looks ok to me
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683 [09:42:06] <Antoine-> Great, thanks jm_ :)
684 [09:42:39] <jm_> no problem
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698 [09:52:24] <jelly> Antoine-: that will have a run at 8:30, do you want that
699 [09:52:40] <jelly> Antoine-: if not, do 0-29/25
700 [09:52:52] <jelly> 0-29/5 *
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800 [11:09:23] <nlpqda> debian 9 , 10 comes already shipped with the old version of python 2.7. my question is if there are any tutorial how to cleanly get rid of that and install version 3.6 without breaking anything in the system?
801 [11:10:20] <themill> nlpqda: python3.7 is already in Debian 10
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804 [11:11:35] <nlpqda> themill: I didn't like debian 10, I recall too many bugs couple of months ago and went back to debian 9
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806 [11:11:58] <themill> *shrug*
807 [11:11:59] <nlpqda> but even with that .. I recall debian 10 has both python versions
808 [11:12:10] <themill> sure, there's no way around that
809 [11:12:27] <themill> If packages need Python 2, then the need Python 2. Magic doesn't happen.
810 [11:13:03] <nlpqda> themill: could you please explain to me why it's impossible for someone who has no interest to know/do anything with python 2.7 to still have it on h/is/er system?
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813 [11:13:37] <han-solo> nlpqda: package manager uses it ?
814 [11:13:39] <nlpqda> themill: why for example those packages are nothing moving forward to pythong 3.7?
815 [11:13:39] <themill> It's only installed if it is needed as a dependency of something you want.
816 [11:13:48] <nlpqda> han-solo: I see
817 [11:13:50] <themill> !stable
818 [11:13:50] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Buster (10.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). replaced-url
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857 [11:43:35] <SASDOE> hi all. I am having issues with my ethernet. It worked before, however since I changed the autoneg (I have reverted settings back - might be unrelated), I am unable to connect at all. In journalctl -fu NetworkManager, I get state change: unavailable -> disconnected (reason 'carrier-changed') message but that's about it
858 [11:43:48] <SASDOE> or ip-config -> unavailable for the same reason
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861 [11:44:03] <SASDOE> wifi works fine however
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863 [11:44:20] <SASDOE> kernel module is e1000e
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884 [11:52:56] <SASDOE> nvm it was an autoneg issue, had to set it to 100 not 1000. How might I better diagnose this issue in the future? Nothing showed autoneg as a culprit in journalctl -fu networkmanager
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889 [11:54:35] <b1ack0p> hi
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891 [11:54:50] <b1ack0p> is it possible to connect 2 machines each other via ethernet cable?
892 [11:54:54] <b1ack0p> 1-debian 2-windows
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894 [11:57:04] <diogenes_> !tell b1ack0p about samba
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896 [11:57:16] <ratrace> b1ack0p: like directly, no switch or hub? yes, and with modern NICs you don't even need a switchover cable
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898 [11:57:29] <b1ack0p> huh
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900 [11:57:42] <b1ack0p> ratrace: well just a ethernet cable
901 [11:57:44] <ratrace> *crossover (lol)
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903 [11:58:02] <b1ack0p> windows machine is too old
904 [11:58:09] <b1ack0p> running win2000 and no wifi
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908 [11:58:51] <ratrace> b1ack0p: might need a crossover cable then
909 [11:58:53] <b1ack0p> it s difficult to plug external hdd everytime when i download something for old machine
910 [11:58:58] <b1ack0p> i wanna transfer file
911 [11:59:04] <b1ack0p> ratrace: what is that?
912 [11:59:08] <ratrace> ask google :)
913 [11:59:30] <jm_> I wonder what's easier to find, a $3 switch/hub or a cross-over cable
914 [11:59:48] <ratrace> point.
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916 [11:59:54] <b1ack0p> grrr
917 [12:00:02] <b1ack0p> why everything is too complicated
918 [12:00:08] <colo-work> b1ack0p, do these machines have gigabit ethernet interfaces?
919 [12:00:14] <colo-work> or is at least one of them fast ethernet?
920 [12:00:15] <b1ack0p> colo-work: yes
921 [12:00:20] <b1ack0p> hmm
922 [12:00:26] <colo-work> with gbit, you don't ever need crossover cables.
923 [12:00:49] <b1ack0p> 1 has intel pro 1000 mt mobile connection
924 [12:00:58] <b1ack0p> other one is newer model
925 [12:01:22] <b1ack0p> 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82566MM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 03)
926 [12:01:27] <b1ack0p> this one has that
927 [12:01:28] <colo-work> then Auto MDI-X is a given, and any ethernet cable will do
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929 [12:01:37] <b1ack0p> windows one has intel pro 1000 mt mobile connection
930 [12:02:14] <b1ack0p> well windows 2000 showed local connection enabled when i plugged ethernet cable but debian is still searching something on network notification icon
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932 [12:02:38] <b1ack0p> there is Wired Connection1
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934 [12:02:48] <b1ack0p> but not sure if it is working or not
935 [12:02:49] <colo-work> well, do either of those hosts run a dhcp server, and have their interface configured with a static ip address?
936 [12:02:51] <ratrace> b1ack0p: don't forget, you'll need one of them to be a dhcpd (Server), or you'll have to setup static IPs
937 [12:02:51] <jm_> maybe it's configured as DHCP?
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939 [12:03:00] <colo-work> if not, you'll have to configure their addresses manually
940 [12:03:08] <b1ack0p> dont know
941 [12:03:20] <jm_> well check it then
942 [12:03:22] <b1ack0p> what to do
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944 [12:03:39] * ratrace blames dumb clicky-clicky interfaces that tell you nothing and allow you nothing than to "click Ok"
945 [12:03:53] <ratrace> *other than
946 [12:04:30] <ratrace> b1ack0p: chances are there's no dhcp server there unless you explicitly enabled one; you can't accidentally on Linux, and I don't know about windows, but I doubt it
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948 [12:05:36] <b1ack0p> i dont know what to do
949 [12:05:56] <jm_> first check how windows is networking configured
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954 [12:07:30] <b1ack0p> it shows LAN status connected
955 [12:07:40] <b1ack0p> speed 1.0gbps
956 [12:07:46] <jm_> check how tcp/ip is configured in there
957 [12:08:05] <b1ack0p> there is ip address and subnet mask
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960 [12:09:09] <colo-work> b1ack0p, do you know how to configure IPv4 addresses in windows?
961 [12:09:16] <jm_> ok then check linux side, «nmcli con show», will show UUID, then «nmcli con show UUID_seen» and see what it says for ipv4.method etc
962 [12:09:32] <b1ack0p> nope
963 [12:09:37] <jm_> or use NM gui/tui
964 [12:09:39] <colo-work> I'd just disable networkmanager for the time being, and bring the interface up manually with `ip`
965 [12:09:51] <colo-work> b1ack0p, then you need to find out on the web
966 [12:10:37] <b1ack0p> colo-work: it shows wired connection with UUID with wifi connections
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1017 [12:43:56] <annadane> is it possible to tell what the current color temperature is with redshift? i set it to one-shot mode, so it doesn't show up in ps aux
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1021 [12:45:46] <jm_> I never used redshift, but man page says -p
1022 [12:45:54] <jm_> Print mode (only print parameters and exit). - does this show anything useful?
1023 [12:46:35] <annadane> hmm not really
1024 [12:47:01] <annadane> well, it has a 'brightness' field
1025 [12:47:14] <annadane> it's a bit of a weird numbering system, but i guess that's it
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1030 [12:51:04] <errorous> Hello. I'm struggling to install debian from usb. I tried full install, used unetbootin on windows to create bootable usb, and it starts installer, I get to the point where it needs to mount cd rom, but can'f find any
1031 [12:51:24] <annadane> errorous, i recommend copying the image with win32diskimager
1032 [12:51:27] <annadane> !unetbootin
1033 [12:51:27] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
1034 [12:51:30] <errorous> so, I tried netinstall, unetbootin again, but this time it won't even recognize it as a bootable drive
1035 [12:52:06] <jm_> to make it short, don't use unetbootin :)
1036 [12:52:28] <errorous> how about rufus?
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1038 [12:52:51] <jm_> no idea, I only used that for windows ISO-s, just use win32diskimager as stated above
1039 [12:52:55] <errorous> turns out I made a huge mistake trying windows :)
1040 [12:53:06] <errorous> yeah, will do. thanks
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1044 [12:54:55] <drzacek> hello there
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1046 [12:55:04] <drzacek> are the european debian servers down or something?
1047 [12:55:07] <drzacek> can't update today
1048 [12:55:15] <jelly> drzacek: which mirror are you using
1049 [12:55:27] <drzacek> german, belgian
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1051 [12:55:41] <drzacek> trying another right now
1052 [12:55:45] <jm_> .de works for me
1053 [12:55:55] <jelly> which one specifically? replaced-url
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1056 [12:56:39] <drzacek> jelly, tried both
1057 [12:56:45] <drzacek> same for bulgarian
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1059 [12:57:12] <drzacek> czech
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1061 [12:57:52] <drzacek> replaced-url
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1063 [12:59:05] <drzacek> my sources.list replaced-url
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1066 [12:59:48] <errorous> win32 image writer didn't help with netinstall
1067 [12:59:50] <jelly> drzacek: can you try replaced-url
1068 [12:59:51] <errorous> let's try full image
1069 [13:01:06] <drzacek> jelly, same, got InRelease (I think), then stucks at Packages [7,907 kB] for ever
1070 [13:01:34] <jm_> errorous: try checking things manually, you can use tty2 to get a shell and you can see d-i logs on tty3/4
1071 [13:01:59] <jelly> drzacek: weird, I see your GET requests but they seem to end too quickly it does not look the files actually get transferred
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1073 [13:02:19] <drzacek> what could be the cause?
1074 [13:02:33] <drzacek> tried that on 2 differnet PCs already today
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1076 [13:04:20] <errorous> jm_ damn, you were right. Passed the critical point now
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1078 [13:04:23] <errorous> thanks
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1086 [13:06:40] <jelly> drzacek: hard to say, what if you try replaced-url
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1089 [13:07:09] <jelly> drzacek: if that works, something is interfering with your http (port 80, unencrypted) traffic in a weird way
1090 [13:08:30] <errorous> do I need LVM?
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1092 [13:10:11] <errorous> I don't
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1098 [13:12:52] <ice9> is it possible to in place upgrade debian 9 to 10?
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1101 [13:13:25] <drzacek> jelly, I called our IT guy, he says that our antivirus triggers and forbids the connection?
1102 [13:13:41] <annadane> if by in place you mean upgrade as opposed to fresh install, yes, that's the point
1103 [13:13:50] <annadane> debian tries to make dist-upgrades smooth
1104 [13:13:54] <annadane> !release notes
1105 [13:13:55] <dpkg> The release notes for Debian 10 "Buster" are at replaced-url
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1108 [13:14:24] <jelly> drzacek: silly antivirus
1109 [13:14:27] <drzacek> yup
1110 [13:14:54] <drzacek> told me to wait till tomorrow, in case whole debian network actually is infected with something, which should become apparent after 24h :D
1111 [13:15:03] <drzacek> so I can just wait cause he won't do anything about it
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1113 [13:15:08] <drzacek> rip deb packages
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1116 [13:15:45] <errorous> one thing: installer complained it needs some non-free drivers for my network. I skipped that step. Will I be able to figure out which non-free drivers/firmware I need once it boots up?
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1118 [13:16:24] <drzacek> sure
1119 [13:16:30] <drzacek> it probably complained about wifi drivers
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1121 [13:16:46] <drzacek> don't trouble yourself, wifi won't work anyway
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1128 [13:19:18] <jm_> errorous: yeah you will get warnings about that later too
1129 [13:19:34] <errorous> great
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1131 [13:20:29] <drzacek> jelly, it dude called, he said he set the av to less-paranoic setting and it worked now
1132 [13:21:58] <errorous> there's av for debian?
1133 [13:22:16] <errorous> never had any av on any linux desktops, ever
1134 [13:22:25] <drzacek> errorous, our network is mostly windows, I'm one of the few dudes that work on linux, and I assume there is some central point that scans whole traffic
1135 [13:22:26] <ratrace> Microsoft Defender ATP for Linux
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1138 [13:22:47] <ratrace> it's still beta.
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1140 [13:23:22] <jelly> ,i clamav
1141 [13:23:23] <judd> Package clamav (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: anti-virus utility for Unix - command-line interface. Version: 0.102.1+dfsg-0+deb10u2; Size: 168.7k; Installed: 746k; Homepage: replaced-url
1142 [13:23:32] <drzacek> well antivirus software is not wrong, you still don't want to have any viruses on your disk, even if they are harmless
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1144 [13:23:41] <errorous> damn.
1145 [13:23:48] <Miles8of9> defender what???
1146 [13:23:55] <errorous> windows!
1147 [13:24:07] <ratrace> offtopic, but.... eh replaced-url
1148 [13:24:35] <errorous> Caution
1149 [13:24:48] <errorous> windows now wants to dominate linux desktops
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1151 [13:24:59] <ratrace> lolno.
1152 [13:25:01] <errorous> all we need is ie by default and that's it
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1155 [13:25:35] <ratrace> Edge is already based on Chromium, so there.
1156 [13:26:00] <errorous> doesn't mean it works anywhere near ok
1157 [13:26:10] <errorous> windows is based on unix, fwiw
1158 [13:26:11] <ratrace> (and is coming to Linux)
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1160 [13:26:31] <errorous> yeah, but I don't really think nobody's gonna make me use it
1161 [13:26:37] <ratrace> windows is based on.... windows.
1162 [13:26:39] <Gloomeveryday_> OpenVZ made me remove my systemd on my server. It's sooo slow to boot now.
1163 [13:26:51] <Gloomeveryday_> Currently removing systemd because of sysvinit :(
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1166 [13:27:05] <Gloomeveryday_> I love service config files.
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1168 [13:27:21] <errorous> that's why you're gloom every day :)
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1171 [13:27:41] <Zajt> I'm trying to make an IP show up in arp cache, so I did: ping 192.168.1.4, but after that, I check arp cache and it's not listed there. Why doesn't it show up?
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1173 [13:28:06] <Gloomeveryday_> I hate this IP range styling thing, e.g. 10.0.0.0/8.
1174 [13:28:25] <Gloomeveryday_> What does the /8 mean? It's confusing. I do have an NT 4 networking book, so it might explain this well.
1175 [13:28:30] <errorous> btw, debian install on my laptop takes surpisingly long. It's been 20mins and it's not even at hald
1176 [13:28:32] <errorous> half
1177 [13:28:56] <Gloomeveryday_> errorous: Well, debian takes less than 15mins to install with my 6mb/s internet speed over PXE.
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1179 [13:29:09] <errorous> This doesn't ahve anything to do with internet
1180 [13:29:19] <errorous> as I don't have network drivers installed :)
1181 [13:29:24] <errorous> usb instal
1182 [13:29:36] <jm_> probably slow storage then?
1183 [13:29:41] <errorous> hdd
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1185 [13:29:43] <Gloomeveryday_> I'm using some old 250GB hard drive from 2006-2008. Came in the PC I'm installing OpenVZ to.
1186 [13:29:57] <Gloomeveryday_> OpenVZ on 4GB of RAM. I'm dying.
1187 [13:30:11] <ratrace> Gloomeveryday_: why OpenVZ... that's the worst of all containerization technologies available today.
1188 [13:30:19] <Gloomeveryday_> The other Shuttle XPC has a Core 2 Quad, while this one has a Core 2 Duo.
1189 [13:30:33] <errorous> not really sure, but it's fairly new laptop, and I can't remember I ever waited this long
1190 [13:30:37] <Gloomeveryday_> ratrace: Want to try out what those 20 now-dead VPS providers did.
1191 [13:30:54] <jm_> Zajt: is it on the same subnet?
1192 [13:30:59] <Gloomeveryday_> They all had Debian 7 as an option. Luckily, I stuck to a good company (DO).
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1194 [13:31:06] <Gloomeveryday_> lowendtalk is a scam.
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1196 [13:31:17] <Zajt> jm_ , nope it's on another subnet
1197 [13:32:01] <jm_> Zajt: that's it then, it doesn't send ARP WHO HAS request for those
1198 [13:32:07] <Zajt> Got it up in azure, but it does work to ping the other internal windows machine(192.168.1.4) from the Linux machine which is on 10.0.1.0 subnet
1199 [13:32:10] <jm_> it goes over your gateway
1200 [13:32:15] <Zajt> okay I see
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1204 [13:35:23] <Zajt> btw another totally different questions, I'm setting up ssh on the box and want to allow multiple different people login with the same private key. Do I need to change any specific setting in the sshd_config to allow for this so it doesn't hang if more than one person is logging in using the private key?
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1210 [13:38:53] <jm_> to login to that box?
1211 [13:38:57] <joepublic> I don't think you want what you think you want
1212 [13:39:13] <ratrace> Zajt: openssh doesn't care. also... why :) just have individual users and individual keys, easier for you to maintain.
1213 [13:39:29] <jm_> what's the point? you can add multiple public keys to the same authorized_keys file
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1224 [13:43:20] <nulld1g1t> hi, has anyone installed debian on sparc64 ?
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1228 [13:44:29] <joepublic> I installed it on an old sparcstation 20 years ago...
1229 [13:44:43] <nulld1g1t> hi joepublic that's a start hahahah
1230 [13:45:16] <nulld1g1t> it seems sparc64 is now unstable and no longer actively supported
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1233 [13:45:41] <joepublic> doesn't mean it won't work...
1234 [13:45:48] <nulld1g1t> I was recently offered a brand new old stock netra T2000
1235 [13:46:02] <nulld1g1t> ultrasparc T1 at 1.2Ghz
1236 [13:46:17] <nulld1g1t> with 32 logical cores
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1238 [13:46:31] <nulld1g1t> 1 cpu, 8 cores, 4 threads per core
1239 [13:46:40] <nulld1g1t> and 32 GB of RAM
1240 [13:46:56] <nulld1g1t> we don't make servers like that anymore
1241 [13:46:59] <nulld1g1t> hahahhaa
1242 [13:47:02] <joepublic> you say that like you didn't immediately take it
1243 [13:47:29] <nulld1g1t> it's a beauty
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1245 [13:47:48] <nulld1g1t> sounds like a jet engine at take off
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1248 [13:48:22] <nulld1g1t> really want to get it properly used
1249 [13:48:24] <ratrace> produces that much CO2 as well :)
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1252 [13:48:37] <nulld1g1t> it has Solaris 10 which is useless for me
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1254 [13:48:54] <nulld1g1t> I'll be glad to get a good old Debian distro on it
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1257 [13:49:40] <nulld1g1t> so experienced sparc64 users are welcome to share their experience ;)
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1263 [13:51:28] <Gloomeveryday> OpenVZ's install guide caused my homelab Debian server to kernel panic. It booted Linux v2.6 on Buster.
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1266 [13:51:47] <Gloomeveryday> Well, I better figure out another way tommorrow.
1267 [13:51:50] <Gloomeveryday> *tomorrow
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1270 [13:54:30] <ice9> is it possible to upgrade debian in place? from 9 to 10
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1274 [13:55:23] <nyov> sure
1275 [13:55:55] <ice9> nyov, is it reliable method or may fail?
1276 [13:57:21] <nyov> ice9: it can be helpful to know how to fix some issues, if they should occur. So some weird packages may have corner-cases. But in general it's a reliable method.
1277 [13:57:47] <nyov> corner-cases. xD edgycases
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1280 [13:59:07] <ratrace> ice9: as always, backups are recommended.
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1283 [14:02:34] <nyov> in fact, I've done nothing else with this machine since ...lenny, I guess. The hardware has changed, but the OS was always only updated release-to-release ;)
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1285 [14:04:58] <H4ndy^Web> I had no issues with in-place upgrades on 4 machines now, but I do not use any exotic packages
1286 [14:05:02] <ratrace> ice9: there are some gotchas like php coinstalling new version and not removing the old one, which has to be done manually. I think some other packages are like that.
1287 [14:05:49] <Gloomeveryday> What's the point of this? replaced-url
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1289 [14:06:13] <Gloomeveryday> What's with the rainbow spiral? I don't like this multiculturalism theming stuff.
1290 [14:06:51] <Gloomeveryday> Oh, the faces next to each post are so...
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1294 [14:10:07] <H4ndy^Web> you can always read the RSS if you can't stand seeing colourful images
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1299 [14:13:36] <nyov> ratrace: re defender on linux. you know this means microsoft now builds software on top of linux? hahaha, this is funny "/etc/opt/microsoft/"
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1307 [14:16:15] <nyov> well, getting closer there. I could even see myself trying that. They have to prove something at this point, so it might actually be some adequate software
1308 [14:16:27] <errorous> does anyone use debian desktop?
1309 [14:16:40] <ratrace> nyov: good for them, right?
1310 [14:16:43] <never_released> nyov: Defender on Linux is the paid enterprise ATP version as far as I remember
1311 [14:16:46] <ratrace> errorous: many many people
1312 [14:17:07] <errorous> why is not my user in sudo? also, why is adding it to sudo work only for a given terminal session?
1313 [14:17:32] <nirakara> im trying to install debian 10.3 from usb. there's some nonfree firmware that i need to load (brcmfmac4350...) which i have correctly placed on another usb drive. however the installer does not read any other port except the one where the install media is plugged in for these files
1314 [14:17:33] <never_released> errorous: is your user in the proper group and did you edit sudoers properly?
1315 [14:17:40] <never_released> (well, or)
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1317 [14:17:50] <errorous> never_released usermod -aG sudo myuser
1318 [14:17:53] <errorous> with su -
1319 [14:17:54] <ratrace> errorous: sudo is not installed by default if you give root a password. you need to logout and login back for group addition to work
1320 [14:18:01] <nirakara> but if i remove the install media, it gets the drivers correctly but then if i insert the install media again it can't read from the cdrom
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1322 [14:18:19] <nirakara> is there any way to tell the installer where to look for these files
1323 [14:19:00] <nirakara> im at a point now where im probably just going to install ubuntu :(
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1325 [14:19:17] <nyov> errorous: you just have to re-login on the other terminals now
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1327 [14:19:41] <errorous> yeah, ratrace nyov that worked
1328 [14:19:50] <errorous> now, another thing: make command not found
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1330 [14:20:11] <errorous> I wanna install wifi drivers
1331 [14:20:26] <never_released> errorous: for make, install build-essential
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1333 [14:20:54] <never_released> it's preferable to not have to hunt for all the other things that you'll need in practice
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1337 [14:21:28] <errorous> never_released no wifi no internet
1338 [14:22:11] <ratrace> !tell errorous about firmware iso
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1357 [14:35:10] <tharkun> Good $DAY I have a new Debian 10 install which does not shutdown or reboots the computer. It marks the Shutdown Target reached. A new message I saw early this morning was: "watchdog0: watchdog did not stop!" The only difference is that it is now running with an ssd hdd instead of a mechanical drive. How can I debug this?
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1362 [14:38:05] <zodd> thurkun, have you checked log files? Have you tried to shutdown from terminal?
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1364 [14:38:08] <ratrace> tharkun: sounds like ACPI issues. Try the kernel command line solution offered here: replaced-url
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1366 [14:38:40] <ratrace> there are no log entries at that stage, that's the most final stage, fs unmounted
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1368 [14:40:14] <deadrom> hi
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1371 [14:41:31] <ice9> if i stopped firewalld service, will it clear the existing rules?
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1373 [14:41:55] <Devastator> iirc no
1374 [14:42:20] <ice9> Devastator, and if i restarted, will it re-insert the rules again if they were deleted?
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1376 [14:42:42] <ice9> restarted firewalld i mean
1377 [14:42:45] <Devastator> to be honest I don't use firewalld
1378 [14:43:09] <deadrom> question: KVM switch vs a HDMI input selector. KVM keeps the presence up when one input is not active, so when you switch to, say PC2 PC1 does not "lose" the monitor. Windows handles this somehow, I can have 3 monitors on simply 20 bucks HDMI input switchers, and when I switch there windows is A-ok re-arranging them. Linux does not, or at least not the XFCE desktops of recent distros, including debian. can I have "display profiles" in debian?
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1383 [14:46:13] <at0m> deadrom: i would do that with xrandr scripts. or, config to your liking from xfce then let arandr generate script to recall current setup later
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1385 [14:46:55] <nirakara> if i install both xfce and mate/cinnamon at install time will this result in more ram usage on my machine? like will more services be installed and started?
1386 [14:47:24] <nirakara> (i fixed my previous issue by getting to another shell and manually mounting the drive to /cdrom)
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1388 [14:47:26] <at0m> nirakara: no, only the ones launched by the DE/WM you select on login
1389 [14:47:34] <tdn> themill, I do not have old build logs. Yes, this is indeed very old code. It goes back to about 2007, I guess. But have been migrated through various debian versions along the way.
1390 [14:47:46] <nirakara> at0m when i installed KDE then it started all sorts of services that also started when XFCE started
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1392 [14:48:13] <nirakara> at0m it also messed up my default applications inside XFCE, like opening from firefox would open Dolphin and not Nautilus
1393 [14:48:25] <at0m> nirakara: hmm that probably shouldn't. like akonadi and its mysql instances you mean?
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1395 [14:48:38] <nirakara> at0m yeah akonadi the main culprit
1396 [14:49:06] <nirakara> i want to keep my RAM usage lean but i want to try mate and cinammon so im not sure how to proceed here.
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1398 [14:49:09] <at0m> i got an "akonadictl stop" script on login. dirty hack.
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1400 [14:49:25] <nirakara> at0m im done with KDE after that, over it
1401 [14:49:33] <nirakara> do mate and cinammon have any services like that?
1402 [14:49:38] <joepublic> that's only you exerting control on your environment. just and right.
1403 [14:50:28] <at0m> in principle you can disable such services from starting, i'm not sure what launches them.
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1405 [14:50:58] <nirakara> just sticking to xfce in that case, thanks
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1407 [14:51:48] <joepublic> for me plasma is *awesome* but a crash factory
1408 [14:51:52] <tharkun> ratrace: I am researching that. Thanks for your time.
1409 [14:53:13] <nirakara> i just wish we had proper iphone support in *nix :(*
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1411 [14:53:38] <goostavobg> Hello, i've just found a bug on Debian for BeagleboneWhere can i report and discuss?I've digged down enough to find out that systemd-timesyncd and connmand are each one getting a different tiemzone
1412 [14:53:56] <at0m> nirakara: you can always dpkg -P whatever packages you want to get rid of again, later
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1414 [14:54:31] <at0m> !reportbug
1415 [14:54:31] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
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1417 [14:55:34] <at0m> use an email address that has good spam filtering :>
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1420 [14:59:49] <tharkun> ratrace: And for the shutdown sequence, What would be my search term?
1421 [15:01:33] <ratrace> tharkun: did you try that kernel command line option in that forum post?
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1437 [15:13:27] <tharkun> ratrace: Yes, I tried both options there the bios and the acpi one to no avail.
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1439 [15:14:33] <nirakara> btw this kiwi irc thing on webchat.freenode.org is sexy as hell
1440 [15:14:40] <nirakara> much better than the old client!
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1448 [15:18:18] <H4ndy^Web> .net, not org ;)
1449 [15:19:16] <hwm4rgs> yeah almost as nice looking as thelounge
1450 [15:19:32] * jelly registers freenode.org to squat
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1452 [15:20:26] <tharkun> ratrace: Taking a pick at the /etc/default/grub of Debian 9 could shed some light or the configurations are just boilerplate changed once every 30 February?
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1456 [15:21:50] <ratrace> tharkun: sorry I don't follow...
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1460 [15:26:25] <tharkun> ratrace: ctx := ('I still have an ailing mechanical hdd that has Debian 9 installed and it shutdowns and reboots as expected.')
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1462 [15:27:53] <tharkun> Maybe there is some parameters on /etc/default/grub that make it perform ok, or the longer path is to take a dive into acpid and see the differences between the Debian 9 version and the Debian 10 one.
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1465 [15:30:19] <ws2k3> im struggeling a bit. witht he mysql client on linux. how can i specify Username host password and database?
1466 [15:30:26] <ratrace> tharkun: other than kernel command line options, I doubt there's anything else in /etc/default/grub that might help there. Now question is, which kernel option might help. I can't offer much assistance with that though. there _are_ several options for acpi control though. replaced-url
1467 [15:31:28] <ratrace> ws2k3: checked the mysql(1) manpage? It should list all the relevant options
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1474 [15:35:39] <tharkun> ratrace: Your help is much appreciated, so far I haver found out that DELL's acpi support is lousy.
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1490 [15:42:54] <mitrax> hello, is there a known bug/limiation that prevents labels from being assigned to ipv6 addresses (when added through ip addr or ifconfig)? whenever an ipv6 address is specified it's added but with no label (debian buster) e.g: ip addr add my_ipv6_addr/64 dev eth0 label eth0:foo
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1493 [15:43:42] <ws2k3> mitrax: why still use ip aliases you dont use iproute2?
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1504 [15:52:01] <jelly> mitrax: I have entries for aliases for ipv6 in /etc/network/interfaces, like: iface lo:3 inet6 static ... and they seem to work
1505 [15:52:59] <jelly> but yeah, there's no label in "ip a" output next to those, like there is for ipv4
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1538 [16:12:33] <errorous> What do people use for webdev on debian? Something like Vesta/ISPConfig cpanel?
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1545 [16:14:57] <apollo13> errorous: none of those
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1549 [16:15:57] <apollo13> those tools have a tendency to brick systems if you ask me, manually configure the services you need
1550 [16:16:27] <errorous> apollo13 kinda lazy to do that for each project, and I get lots of smaller ones
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1552 [16:16:39] <errorous> perhaps I could write a bash script to help
1553 [16:16:52] <apollo13> ansible/salt/puppet etc are your friends
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1573 [16:21:56] <ksk> errorous: apache2 or nginx can both do webdav.
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1575 [16:22:06] <ksk> oh, "webdev"? :D nevermind.
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1582 [16:26:07] <tharkun> Sorry to keep bothering everyone. I have this hdd with lvm and I need to plug it in using an usb adaptor. What is my search term to find out how to access the different partitions. Mounting them directly is of no use.
1583 [16:28:33] <jhutchins_wk> tharkun: How "of no use"? How else would you access a filesystem rather than mounting it?
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1585 [16:29:42] <tharkun> jhutchins_wk: /dev/sdb* just shows 3 partitions when I know as a fact that the hdd has 6 partitions and the one I need to access is not listed there.
1586 [16:30:15] <jhutchins_wk> tharkun: What are you using to see the partitions?
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1588 [16:30:37] <jelly> tharkun: run lsblk, then "vgchange -ay"
1589 [16:30:41] <jelly> tharkun: then lsblk again
1590 [16:31:10] <jhutchins_wk> tharkun: Are they partions or are they logical volumes?
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1592 [16:31:57] <jelly> tharkun: use "pvs" to list detected LVM backing stores (PVs, LVM Phyiscal Volumes) before that; use "vgs" to list detected Volume Groups they may belong to
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1594 [16:33:23] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: Is that metadata stored on the physical device or somewhere in the system that "owns" it?
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1596 [16:34:17] <tharkun> jhutchins_wk: Sorry for the lack of context. You are right, is is an LVM partitioned hdd.
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1598 [16:37:05] <tharkun> jelly: Thanks I will do it now. I am still poking at the kernel to fix the shudown sequence.
1599 [16:38:53] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: I _think_ metadata on PVs is considered as truth, and config files or vgcfgbackups are advisory
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1609 [16:46:22] <rgr> every now and again my configured hot key S-1 (switch to workplace 1) is instead opening some sort gui "Software" catalog. Any idea what this is? Its not configured in my keyboard hotkeys in settings.
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1612 [16:48:38] <tharkun> ratrace: I found [FAILED] Failed unmounting /var <-- Is that something that could halt the reboot/shutdown sequence?
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1615 [16:49:04] <tharkun> How can this be fixed? ^^^
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1622 [16:53:10] <tharkun> replaced-url
1623 [16:55:21] <tharkun> umount[3021]: umount: /var: target is busy. systemd[1]: var.mount: Mount process exited, code=exited, status=32/n/a any ideas on what to look for?
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1628 [16:57:43] <jhutchins_wk> tharkun: Figure out what has a file on /var open.
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1630 [16:58:33] <tharkun> replaced-url
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1632 [16:58:38] <tsarompy> sounds like a logs open :P
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1635 [16:59:10] <tharkun> jhutchins_wk: That log is at shutdown, taken from journal file The full output is on the latter pastebin.
1636 [16:59:47] <tharkun> On normal operating conditions that would be trivial, at shutdown eludes my knowledge.
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1640 [17:05:20] <zodd> tarzeau, also looks like you issued a shutdown while in the background a disk was fsck-ed. Does not sound like a good plan
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1644 [17:07:56] <erle-> I installed Debian with en_US, then I later added de_DE with dpkg-reconfigure, but if I set Gnome to German, it still displays English
1645 [17:08:00] <erle-> What am I missing?
1646 [17:08:17] <erle-> I cannot find any language packages in apt also (in Ubuntu there would be some)
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1648 [17:11:32] <rgr> dpkg-configure locales
1649 [17:11:35] <rgr> maybe
1650 [17:11:46] <rgr> dpkg-reconfigure locales
1651 [17:11:53] <zodd> euh. that was for tharkun, sorry
1652 [17:11:55] <tharkun> zodd: I did not invoked the File System Check at all. It seems it gets called automagically. Let me see what I can find. Thanks for the heads up I did not see it.
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1654 [17:12:28] <rgr> fwiw locales always give me trouble. nothing works in debian properly unless utf8-us is installed ;)
1655 [17:12:50] <erle-> rgr: that is what I did
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1657 [17:12:59] <rgr> ah ok.
1658 [17:13:02] <erle-> but it did not pull any new data, should it not pull some German packages?
1659 [17:13:14] <erle-> before I did that, Gnome did not show any German support, after it did
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1661 [17:13:25] <erle-> formats are in German now, but UI is still English
1662 [17:14:47] <nkuttler> erle-: did you restart gnome?
1663 [17:15:00] <rgr> yeah. I remember trying it ages ago. localgen?
1664 [17:15:12] <erle-> yes, I did all that on Sunday (and repeated) and rebootet many times since
1665 [17:15:18] <erle-> nkuttler
1666 [17:15:23] <rgr> the wiki inidicates the state of it. replaced-url
1667 [17:15:36] <erle-> rgr: i did follow every single instruction there
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1669 [17:15:45] <rgr> but they're often out of date. but needing to edit as root rc files etc is laughable.
1670 [17:16:05] <erle-> I think there is something missing
1671 [17:16:48] <erle-> what bugs me is that nothing was installed
1672 [17:16:56] <erle-> there should be some language files installed
1673 [17:17:12] <nkuttler> erle-: did you install task-german-desktop ?
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1675 [17:17:36] <erle-> nkuttler: no, thanks for the hint
1676 [17:17:51] <nkuttler> i'm somewhat surprised it doesn't depend on some gnome package.. but maybe the bundle all their translations..
1677 [17:17:53] <rgr> I doubt it sice there's no docs indicating he should. I want to switch to german too so I'll run throught it too.
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1679 [17:18:41] <rgr> eek that installs firefox and crap. yuck.
1680 [17:19:06] <erle-> nkuttler: there is no gnome-$something-de
1681 [17:19:12] <erle-> there is for KDE and for Firefox
1682 [17:19:14] <erle-> but not for Gnome
1683 [17:19:14] <nkuttler> yeah..
1684 [17:19:17] <erle-> on Ubuntu there is
1685 [17:19:44] <erle-> also the instructions how to install a language only ask for dpkg-reconfigure
1686 [17:19:49] <rgr> sudo apt install task-german-desktop worked for me (but shhh.. bullseye)
1687 [17:20:20] <erle-> replaced-url
1688 [17:20:32] <nkuttler> i mean, the description is "This task localises the desktop in German"
1689 [17:20:37] <erle-> rgr: I'm on Sid :DDD
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1691 [17:22:29] <erle-> I will relogin now
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1694 [17:23:22] <rgr> well, I added de-deut8 to my locales and restart gnome and it said language is German... but its all in English.
1695 [17:23:31] <rgr> lol
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1698 [17:24:26] <erle-> Still nothing: replaced-url
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1701 [17:24:56] <rgr> LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
1702 [17:25:10] <rgr> LANGUAGE=en_US:en
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1705 [17:25:25] <rgr> GDM_LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
1706 [17:25:37] <rgr> all from env | grep LANG
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1709 [17:26:20] <rgr> its kind of funny to see the same mess as 10 years ago. I thought this would be easily configurable by now ;) Now that transparent spinning cubes are history ;)
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1712 [17:27:02] <erle-> I recently restored an ancient home directory and installed gnome-flashback and compiz, and it still worked and had wobbly windows
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1714 [17:27:33] <erle-> I took a screen grab because noone would believe it, wait
1715 [17:27:34] <dob1> in isc dhcpd server, on an host configuration how can I define the netmask?
1716 [17:27:59] <erle-> replaced-url
1717 [17:28:25] <erle-> you can see that it is the new Nautilus
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1723 [17:29:33] <rgr> lol. wobbly windows. so 2013.
1724 [17:29:38] <verblendet> i am not able to copy files >4GB to my XFS formatted USB3 drive using rsync neither cp. i created and formatted a new partition on a 16gb usb3 drive on debian 10 laptop, now copying a 10gb file fails. i see the system preallocates 4.1gb on the pendrive, then copies and fails with error: 'file too large'. it is NOT a fat32 filesystem. i created gpt paretition table and XFS filesystem.
1725 [17:30:00] <verblendet> i tried different usb drives too!
1726 [17:30:06] <verblendet> any ideas?
1727 [17:30:07] <ksk> verblendet: that, eh, sound unlikely!
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1730 [17:30:23] <verblendet> ksk, not as unlikely as you think as it happens right now.
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1733 [17:31:09] <ksk> verblendet: care to share the error, and "mount /mountpoint" for that device?
1734 [17:31:20] <ksk> on replaced-url
1735 [17:31:21] <verblendet> i tried cp/rsync as user and as root too
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1740 [17:32:06] <verblendet> ksk, will do but have to swap over to my newish debian 10 laptop, im writing from my old deb8 ;) i will provide url here
1741 [17:32:26] <ksk> kk, I will be gone by then. good luck to you :)
1742 [17:32:26] <verblendet> but there isnt that much too share, i get no dmesg output, just as i described above ^
1743 [17:32:52] <ksk> yeah I agree, but the only think I can think of right now is, that you actually did _not_ format it with XFS :X
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1745 [17:32:59] <ksk> *thing I can think of
1746 [17:33:14] <verblendet> it is mounted as XFS, if i can trust mkfs.xfs and the output of mount
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1749 [17:33:42] <ksk> verblendet: did you try copying two files, combined > 4G to the stick? might it be some of these cheap china sticks, that advertise way more space than they actually have or so?
1750 [17:33:47] <ksk> wildly guessing now of course..
1751 [17:33:54] <verblendet> what i wonder about is that it preallocates 4.1gb in a temp file and then fails after renaming it to the proper filename
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1753 [17:34:13] <verblendet> ksk, as said, i tried at least 3 usb drives
1754 [17:34:40] <verblendet> kingston, sandisk, etc, one of them was really new and works fine with very large files on my deb8
1755 [17:34:54] <verblendet> but, let me test a usb 2 drive! :)
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1757 [17:35:06] <somiaj> could it be a sparse file?
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1761 [17:35:25] <rgr> working!
1762 [17:35:27] <verblendet> somiaj, on all 3 drives?
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1765 [17:35:45] <verblendet> or can i somehow remove some modules to disable usb3 maybe?
1766 [17:35:52] <ksk> verblendet: you are on 64bit I assume? 32bit xfs support is lacking for some years now (outdated tools etc)
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1768 [17:36:15] <verblendet> ksk, as said, works fine on deb8, 64 bit, all xfs
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1770 [17:36:16] <ksk> not that it should still work for a usecase like that..
1771 [17:36:20] <erle-> rgr: still no German for me
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1773 [17:36:26] <rgr> the two apt-installs at the top get the job done! replaced-url
1774 [17:36:27] <erle-> I guess at least I have spell checking now
1775 [17:36:30] <rgr> entwicker is developer
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1777 [17:36:37] <rgr> entwickler
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1779 [17:36:41] <verblendet> ksk, i also tried exfat and ext4 i have to say, its not only xfs related
1780 [17:36:47] <rgr> you dont need to edit environment
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1786 [17:39:11] <rgr> and.... yup gnome settings language change works with a log out and in. Super.
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1788 [17:39:32] <rgr> erel- let me know if it works for you
1789 [17:39:49] <erle-> yes, I will try, but it takes a second before I can log out again
1790 [17:39:59] <erle-> also why does task-german-desktop not pull task-german?
1791 [17:41:00] <rgr> no idea but anything that pulls in the crppy opne office and firefox gets uninstalled. I removed the "desktop" task,
1792 [17:41:29] <rgr> I had also removed me en and us locales but have added them back.
1793 [17:41:52] <rgr> gonna log out and back in so hold your report....
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1799 [17:42:47] <erle-> I have stuff running which takes two hours before I can reboot also
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1805 [17:44:50] <jelly> verblendet: on my debian 10, there's 49MB reserved on xfs on a 16GiB device: replaced-url
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1809 [17:46:17] <jelly> verblendet: can you show "lsblk" and "df" output after the device is formatted and mounted, but before any files are written?
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1811 [17:46:26] <greycat> You don't have to use "-o loop" to mount a file now?
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1813 [17:47:21] <jelly> mount has implied that for a while if the source was a file
1814 [17:47:34] <jelly> squeeze or so?
1815 [17:47:47] <tharkun> The Error on the File Check is consistent with the unmounted partition but all of the other partitions are also "checked" and being correctly unmounted. What other line of research should I follow. I ran out of options since yesterday :(
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1824 [17:51:38] <verblendet> jelly, a this reserved space, yes , but its only a few mb, the thing is that i have a 32gb usb drive used before to transfer 12gb files, worked nicely until today... its weird. i will try to do firther debugging to get some useful output, maybe dmesg or so and try again different pen drives and filesystems... :>
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1826 [17:52:00] <rgr> erle-, well?
1827 [17:52:19] <erle-> rgr: don't know, cannot test now
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1830 [17:52:24] <erle-> will tell you in a few hours
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1832 [17:52:30] <erle-> I have other things running that cannot be interrupted
1833 [17:52:44] <rgr> update the wiki with a link to what I linked above if it works for you.
1834 [17:53:05] <rgr> it shouldnt have been that messy to change language.
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1836 [17:53:23] <rgr> even Window 10 is a drop down and select ;)
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1840 [17:54:34] <majarata> i would really like to know how to backup my linux bootable flashdrive with persistence so when it gets bricked i can quickly restore it
1841 [17:54:41] <majarata> does anyone know how to do that?
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1843 [17:55:30] <rgr> yes. simply cat /dev/sdX > /dev/sdY.
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1845 [17:55:44] <greycat> boot from some other system first, not from the flash drive that you intend to back up
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1847 [17:56:02] <wwilliam> hello where can i find information of debian releases?
1848 [17:56:05] <rgr> boot from a sysrescue (I think thats the best).
1849 [17:56:06] <majarata> ok
1850 [17:56:26] <rgr> check with gparted the source and dest. Stop. Check again.
1851 [17:56:27] <majarata> recovery mode?
1852 [17:56:31] <wwilliam> like from 17 years ago and up the names like debian buster
1853 [17:56:35] <majarata> i cant figure out what you do from recovery mode
1854 [17:56:41] <greycat> and don't *mount* the flashdrive if you're going to low-level copy it as /dev/sdX
1855 [17:56:43] <wwilliam> I just need names
1856 [17:56:44] <rgr> you dont use recover mode
1857 [17:56:44] <erle-> rgr: I actually do not expect it to work, because task-german-desktop pulls even more than task-german, and the first did not work
1858 [17:56:54] <wwilliam> and stable or test
1859 [17:56:59] <wwilliam> thank you.
1860 [17:57:05] <greycat> doesn't really matter what system you boot or what options you choose, as long as you get a shell
1861 [17:57:06] <rgr> it didnt work when I pulled task german desktop. I also restarted btw.
1862 [17:57:12] <majarata> hmm
1863 [17:57:20] <jelly> wwilliam: /msg dpkg release history
1864 [17:57:20] <mtn> wwilliam: wikipedia is an obvious choice
1865 [17:57:42] <rgr> use sysrecuse and no need to be l33t. nice gui desktop with gparted there ready for you. terminal icon there for you to click and open.
1866 [17:57:44] <majarata> im not sure what about the proccess of apt upgrade'ing causes my system to fail, but it does, the desktop will give out, wifi will stop working irreparibly, etc..
1867 [17:57:49] <jelly> !release history
1868 [17:57:50] <dpkg> Named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17), Buster (10; 2019-07-06). Next: Bullseye. replaced-url
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1870 [17:58:08] <greycat> pretty soon it won't fit in a single factoid
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1872 [17:58:41] <majarata> what about rsync?
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1874 [17:58:56] <wwilliam> Thank you greycat on bash please I need to create that array, thank you.
1875 [17:59:07] <wwilliam> Thank you jelly
1876 [17:59:09] <greycat> rsync copies FILES at the FILE SYSTEM level; it doesn't copy the raw device stuff (partition tables, MBR, whatever else)
1877 [18:00:10] <majarata> well i think its just 1 partition thats getting messed up
1878 [18:00:27] <majarata> i dont know
1879 [18:00:44] <majarata> its irritating, ive had to re image this usb drive 7 or 8 times
1880 [18:00:48] <greycat> oh, you're asking a different question, not contributing to the previous question's discussion; sorry
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1893 [18:06:23] <majarata> =/
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1913 [18:23:06] <Akuw> if i have this in a cron "13 01 * * *" means run the script in minute 13 at 01 hour ?
1914 [18:23:28] <Akuw> so, at 01 will run script in the 13 minute
1915 [18:23:32] <greycat> Yes, 01:13 every day.
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1917 [18:23:43] <Akuw> ok
1918 [18:23:45] <Akuw> thanks
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1925 [18:27:26] <annadane> one day i'll learn how to use systemd in place of cron
1926 [18:27:27] <annadane> one day...
1927 [18:27:38] <greycat> I never intend to.
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1938 [18:37:07] <rindolf> Hi all! Does anyone here know if the vbox images here can be trusted: replaced-url
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1947 [18:41:01] <jhutchins_wk> rindolf: Should only take about 30 minutes.
1948 [18:41:41] <xlirate> Hello, I am working for a small charity that is trying to send some laptops and desktops to an orphanage in a developing nation. They have very little technical experience and usually only get internet on a few days per month. Can someone recommend a setup/distro/desktop environment that will need the least maintenance and be the least likely to
1949 [18:41:42] <xlirate> break on it's own? I have read that apt can break if you don't update it often enough. Is there a way to get around this?
1950 [18:41:51] <rindolf> jhutchins_wk: well, it takes much more here
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1954 [18:43:25] <rindolf> xlirate: where did you read this?
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1957 [18:44:52] <rindolf> jhutchins_wk: this may help: replaced-url
1958 [18:44:57] <xlirate> I am not sure anymore, honestly. Though I do have an Ubuntu machine that was working fine 1 month ago and now it fails to sudo apt update at all. Is that something specific to Ubuntu or Apt or did I just mess something up?
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1960 [18:45:34] <rindolf> xlirate: did something happen to your sources.list?
1961 [18:45:53] <rindolf> xlirate: what is the error?
1962 [18:46:05] <jhutchins_wk> rindolf: On a 2.8GHz i7 I can netinstall Debian or RedHat in about 30 minutes or less.
1963 [18:46:15] <jhutchins_wk> 1G RAM allocated.
1964 [18:46:41] <rindolf> jhutchins_wk: well, there may be an issue with my system
1965 [18:47:03] <jhutchins_wk> rindolf: That's a standard install, not an image.
1966 [18:47:13] <jhutchins_wk> !virtualbox
1967 [18:47:13] <dpkg> Oracle VM VirtualBox is an almost free software virtual machine solution. To install, see replaced-url
1968 [18:47:29] <jhutchins_wk> Oh, host is W10.
1969 [18:48:06] <rindolf> jhutchins_wk: yours?
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1972 [18:48:24] * joepublic guesses it rhymes with 'smebian'
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1977 [18:50:08] <xlirate> I don't think my sources.list is broken. I am getting errors like 'ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu cosmic Release \n 404 Not Found [IP 91.189.91.24 80]' and 'The Repository foo no longer has a Release file'
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1985 [18:52:18] <oerheks> xlirate, wrong channel for ubuntu issues; btw >> Ubuntu 18.10 (Cosmic Cuttlefish) was the 29th release of Ubuntu. Support ended July 18th, 2019
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1987 [18:52:28] <xlirate> ah
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1992 [18:55:24] <rindolf> jhutchins_wk: ping, is your host running windows 10?
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1995 [18:55:55] <jhutchins_wk> Yes.
1996 [18:56:00] <rindolf> jhutchins_wk: ah
1997 [18:56:09] <countdr> 90 GB FAT32 partition. Can I save 56000 files?
1998 [18:56:13] <rindolf> jhutchins_wk: i run mageia v8 x64
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2001 [18:56:28] <rindolf> countdr: save?
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2008 [18:58:43] <rindolf> countdr: do you want to get a copy of the files in that partition?
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2042 [19:16:30] <nirakara> i just backed up and restored my firefox profile. however, addons show in the addon area, and are "enabled" but do not show in the browser bar and do not function unless uninstalled and reinstalled
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2044 [19:16:44] <nirakara> im worried if i do that i'll lose all my umatrix rules, cookie autodelete rules, etc
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2046 [19:17:01] <nirakara> is there a way to force enable all addons in firefox-esr?
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2048 [19:18:23] <stellardens> hey folks
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2053 [19:20:09] <stellardens> where did /etc/pm go on Debian stable 4.19?
2054 [19:20:25] <stellardens> the directory isn't present
2055 [19:20:38] <greycat> What package is it supposed to be part of?
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2058 [19:20:56] <greycat> the only acronym expansion that immediately comes to mind is Partition Magic
2059 [19:21:13] <greycat> (also, 4.19 is the Linux kernel version; the Debian version is 10)
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2062 [19:21:33] <stellardens> pm-utils
2063 [19:21:40] <stellardens> oh y sorry
2064 [19:22:07] <stellardens> and I have pm utils installed
2065 [19:22:15] <stellardens> pm-utils/stable 1.4.1-18
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2067 [19:22:34] <stellardens> I wanted to put a script in /etc/pm/power.d
2068 [19:22:41] <greycat> I don't see an /etc/pm in replaced-url
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2070 [19:22:48] <stellardens> here's definition: hooks added by the system administrator
2071 [19:22:51] <stellardens> Hooks in /etc/pm/ take precedence over those in /usr/lib/pm-utils/, so the system administrator can override the defaults provided by the distribution.
2072 [19:23:03] <greycat> where are you pasting that from? a man page?
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2074 [19:23:12] <stellardens> Yep
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2076 [19:23:33] <greycat> OK, then maybe if you *create* the directory and put stuff it in, it'll work. If it doesn't work, then file a bug report.
2077 [19:23:46] <stellardens> Oh gotcha :D
2078 [19:23:49] <stellardens> Thank you so much<
2079 [19:23:50] <stellardens> <3
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2081 [19:23:53] <stellardens> yeah ill try that first
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2083 [19:24:04] <stellardens> tell it to make a random file in my /home/ dir
2084 [19:24:10] <stellardens> if it appears after reboot, wohoo! :D
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2089 [19:29:12] <dob1> any official doc about openvpn and easy-rsa3 ?
2090 [19:29:42] <dob1> there are a lot on the web, just asking maybe a related debian one. the one in the wiki is outdated
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2127 [19:50:32] <rindolf> jhutchins_wk: trying again now - the "Installing the base system" stage takes over 50 minutes and make the system somewhat unresponsive - i can almost swear this system is cursed
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2130 [19:52:24] <tsarompy> you can check the progress in another tty
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2132 [19:52:36] <tsarompy> try like ctrl+alt+f2 and so on til u find it
2133 [19:52:43] <tsarompy> i wanna say its on 3 or 4
2134 [19:53:13] <rindolf> tsarompy: i'm installing debian 10 in a vbox vm
2135 [19:53:41] <tsarompy> oh ok
2136 [19:53:52] <rindolf> tsarompy: and there is a progress display
2137 [19:54:29] <tsarompy> yz i know
2138 [19:54:33] <tsarompy> but i like to see which packages are being installed
2139 [19:54:37] <tsarompy> so if theres an issue i know why
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2159 [20:06:16] <openbsdtai123> hello
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2163 [20:07:03] <openbsdtai123> i never saw so much people on a computer
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2165 [20:07:29] <sponix> openbsdtai123: welcome
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2167 [20:07:41] <openbsdtai123> i am his son
2168 [20:07:45] <Acid`Slayer> lol...
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2172 [20:08:22] <openbsdtai123> i like games
2173 [20:08:39] <Acid`Slayer> cool story, go on gamesurge then.
2174 [20:08:58] <openbsdtai123> what do you mean
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2177 [20:10:16] <openbsdtai123> and i did not say a story example a long story
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2179 [20:11:05] <Acid`Slayer> It went over your head...
2180 [20:11:19] <openbsdtai123> ok?
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2183 [20:11:42] <openbsdtai123> i dont understand it
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2185 [20:12:00] <GNU\colossus> hi openbsdtai123 :) this channel is reserved for discussions around a particular topic (Debian GNU/Linux) - if you want to have a chat with friendly people, maybe head over to #defocus
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2188 [20:12:26] <openbsdtai123> ok i go there
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2191 [20:12:51] <Acid`Slayer> lol
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2206 [20:22:59] <Lyma> !own mirrors
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2208 [20:24:24] <Lyma> !own mirror
2209 [20:24:24] <dpkg> There are lots of tools for making your own copy of a mirror but before you do, make sure that a cache (like <apt-cacher-ng>) wouldn't make a better choice. Ask me about <debmirror>, <ftpsync>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>.
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2212 [20:24:47] <Lyma> !ftpsync
2213 [20:24:47] <dpkg> ftpsync is a non-packaged scriptset for creating a Debian archive mirror. replaced-url
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2287 [21:07:07] <gbit86> Does anyone know if it is possible to configure xkb to cancel the Shift key if BOTH shift keys are held down?
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2294 [21:18:33] <somiaj> seems like an odd use case, but maybe look at xmodconf
2295 [21:18:43] <somiaj> sorry, xmodmap
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2312 [21:27:22] <J0P3YE> What VNC client is recommended?
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2329 [21:42:02] <jhutchins_wk> J0P3YE: The one that works for you.
2330 [21:42:44] <J0P3YE> jhutchins_wk: Of course. Seems like I'm having difficulty getting any of them to work.
2331 [21:42:47] <jhutchins_wk> J0P3YE: Probably start with the one from the same developers as the server you're connecting to.
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2334 [21:43:13] <jhutchins_wk> J0P3YE: Usually that's a difference in the default protocol. Sometimes you can fix it.
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2364 [22:07:25] <greycat> !qotd0
2365 [22:07:25] <dpkg> <MobyTurbo> nvz: brothels .. <nvz> I never even heard that word until last night
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2367 [22:08:28] <xormor> what is this site and why did my Debian packaged NTP contact it? ---> internationalconspiracy.org <-- I searched the replaced-url
2368 [22:08:57] <xormor> I had to do a sudo remove ntp because I do not want my computer to connect to it via the NTP port.
2369 [22:09:06] <xormor> *sudo apt remove ntp
2370 [22:09:09] <greycat> Debian defaults to a worldwide pool of volunteer NTP servers.
2371 [22:09:15] <xormor> greycat, ok
2372 [22:09:47] <greycat> if there are specific servers you want to use instead, configure /etc/ntp.conf to use those
2373 [22:10:07] <xormor> greycat, so internationalconspiracy.org has an NTP server? I will search the replaced-url
2374 [22:11:21] <jelly> it stands to reason conspiracy theorists would need excellent timekeeping to keep track of ALL. THE. DATA.
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2377 [22:12:15] <PaddyF> and when you sorted the NTP stuff you can inspect the mirror names
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2385 [22:13:32] <PaddyF> there used to be a web space on debian.net that listed all the associated sites. do you guys know what i mean?
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2388 [22:13:42] <linuxxx> how can i blacklist a specific flag for a command for a particular user, for example I want to prevent a user from using the -l flag(lazy unmount) with umount
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2390 [22:16:46] <twobitsprite> linuxxx: that's not a very simple thing to do, and no matter how you do it, there will be a thousand ways around it
2391 [22:17:16] <twobitsprite> linuxxx: perhaps this is better handled by kindly informing your users of the problems with running umount -l, and asking them not to do it
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2394 [22:21:36] <linuxxx> I suppose I can just set an alias for the umount command, or maybe just change the permissions to only allow root to utilize the command
2395 [22:22:00] <twobitsprite> linuxxx: generally only allowing root to unmount things is the preferred way of doing it
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2397 [22:22:10] <greycat> It isn't a shell thing. You can't just stick your filthy fingers into the user's dot files and alias your perceived problems away. The user can just undo the alias, or install their own copy of the umount command.
2398 [22:22:31] <greycat> Or... well, their own symlink to /bin/umount anyway, since it's setuid.
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2400 [22:22:41] <twobitsprite> linuxxx: the alias thing runs in to the problem that they can just do "/usr/bin/umount" and get around the alias
2401 [22:22:43] <somiaj> what are the users mounting/umounting, in general only root can do this (unless user flag in /etc/fstab), though fuse changes this and allows user to mount.
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2404 [22:23:24] <twobitsprite> linuxxx: who are your users and why are they unmounting stuff anyway?
2405 [22:23:33] <ratrace> sudoer file can specify even which parameters can be given, as a side-idea
2406 [22:24:08] <twobitsprite> ratrace: so then I just "sudo vim" and then ":!umount -l ...", or any of a thousand other ways to get around sudo restrictions
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2408 [22:24:34] <twobitsprite> ratrace: sudo restrictions take a lot of time and care to design right
2409 [22:24:37] <somiaj> well if using sudo to limit commands, hopefully the admin limimts from running commands that can fork other commands.
2410 [22:24:55] <greycat> allowing sudo vim on a system where you're trying to limit sudo powers of your users is a poor decision
2411 [22:25:07] <ratrace> indeed.
2412 [22:25:11] <twobitsprite> somiaj: right, that's the problem, there are a lot of things to consider when designing a proper sudo file if you really want to restrict what people can do
2413 [22:25:21] <greycat> you mustn't allow sudo of *anything* that can do a shell escape, which is a lot of things
2414 [22:25:24] <twobitsprite> greycat: I completely agree, but that's my point
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2416 [22:25:53] <somiaj> though we should let linuxxx answer and what/why the users are mounting/umounting things anyways.
2417 [22:26:02] <twobitsprite> you have to very carefully allow only specific commands
2418 [22:26:07] <cedrmart> Hello guys
2419 [22:26:25] <Boohbah> cedrmart: Welcome
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2421 [22:26:32] <twobitsprite> hell, allowing find(1) you can just -exec whatever you want
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2423 [22:28:20] <linuxxx> it's mainly loop devices that the users are mounting/unmounting
2424 [22:28:22] <linuxxx> nothing physical
2425 [22:28:42] <somiaj> even then you relaly don't want to allow users to mount loop devices, they can take over your system with that
2426 [22:28:48] <greycat> so you gave them sudo ability, or you gave them specific lines in /etc/fstab with the user option, or what?
2427 [22:28:54] <somiaj> all they have to do is mount a file system that has setuid root on su, and you are compermised
2428 [22:29:28] <cedrmart> Sorry to appear like this and during a conversation, but I got a problem with Nautilus and Samba mounting
2429 [22:29:39] <somiaj> linuxxx: basically saying you should analyize why your users need to do this, and maybe try to limit it for security reasons.
2430 [22:29:52] <linuxxx> yeah that seems to be the best course of action
2431 [22:29:53] <somiaj> cedrmart: what is your problem?
2432 [22:29:58] <linuxxx> thank you for the insight
2433 [22:30:04] <cedrmart> When I use Nautilus to mount a share, I can't edit all files present in the share
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2435 [22:30:27] <linuxxx> sounds like something related to permissions cedrmart
2436 [22:30:36] <somiaj> cedrmart: two things to check, thing 1, does the share allow the user that is mounting it to actually be able to write files?
2437 [22:30:55] <somiaj> cedrmart: second, is the mount setting the uid, gid, umask correctly (this is configurable on your end)
2438 [22:30:58] <greycat> the implication is that *some* files are writable, so that should be "yes"
2439 [22:31:04] <cedrmart> The user is the owner of files and I can copy/paste what I want
2440 [22:31:41] <cedrmart> but when I try to edit file (like gedit) and save, the file disappear
2441 [22:31:41] <somiaj> cedrmart: samba shares only very loosely mimic unix style permissions. All files in the share have to have the same permissions, so if user A mounts, user B won't have write access by default.
2442 [22:31:44] <ratrace> access to mounting and mount paths can also be regulated by a MAC policy, btw.
2443 [22:32:31] <ratrace> (mount syscall, not just the command, which is better)
2444 [22:32:36] <somiaj> cedrmart: for sanity sake, can you do an ls -l /path/to/file/on/share (lets see what permissions Nautillus is giving these files)
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2446 [22:32:52] <cedrmart> I saw that nounix solve the problem It was because the unix extensions are disabled
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2448 [22:34:53] <cedrmart> The ls command show that I've got the rights on folders and files
2449 [22:35:04] <greycat> *plonk*
2450 [22:35:05] <somiaj> what are they, can you paste one file here to share that
2451 [22:36:34] <cedrmart> total 614
2452 [22:36:34] <cedrmart> drwx------ 1 cedrmart cedrmart 0 févr. 26 19:07 .
2453 [22:36:34] <cedrmart> drwx------ 1 cedrmart cedrmart 0 févr. 25 21:16 ..
2454 [22:36:34] <cedrmart> -rwx------ 1 cedrmart cedrmart 1105 févr. 18 19:53 alter-twig.php
2455 [22:36:34] <cedrmart> drwx------ 1 cedrmart cedrmart 0 févr. 25 21:16 node_modules
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2458 [22:37:06] <ratrace> now THAT's a loud *plonk*
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2461 [22:37:33] <cedrmart> total 614
2462 [22:37:33] <cedrmart> drwx------ 1 cedrmart cedrmart 0 févr. 26 19:07 .
2463 [22:37:33] <cedrmart> drwx------ 1 cedrmart cedrmart 0 févr. 25 21:16 ..
2464 [22:37:33] <cedrmart> -rwx------ 1 cedrmart cedrmart 1105 févr. 18 19:53 alter-twig.php
2465 [22:37:33] <cedrmart> drwx------ 1 cedrmart cedrmart 0 févr. 25 21:16 node_modules
2466 [22:37:33] <cedrmart> -rwx------ 1 cedrmart cedrmart 622722 févr. 18 19:54 package-lock.json
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2470 [22:38:47] <cedrmart> the result of ls for a file : -rwx------ 1 cedrmart cedrmart 1105 févr. 18 19:53 alter-twig.php
2471 [22:38:48] <ratrace> cedrmart: use a friggin pastebin
2472 [22:39:08] <twobitsprite> !paste > cedrmart
2473 [22:39:08] <dpkg> > cedrmart: put your output on replaced-url
2474 [22:39:09] <greycat> replaced-url
2475 [22:39:25] <somiaj> cedrmart: I just wanted a single file. Anyways, it appears that if any user except cedrmart tries to write to a file that will fail. If the user cedrmart is not able to write files to the share, the it is a configuartion on the share side.
2476 [22:39:50] <greycat> Ideally we'd get one example of a writable file, and one example of a non-writable file, so a comparison could be made.
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2478 [22:39:58] <cedrmart> I'm using a NAS
2479 [22:40:02] <cedrmart> Synology
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2481 [22:40:18] <greycat> Of course that's assuming that any files are writable, which was implied earlier, but never explicitly stated.
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2483 [22:41:22] <cedrmart> But why, when I use smbclient with the option nounix, that work ?
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2486 [22:41:30] <twobitsprite> cedrmart: we have a synology at my work, and I've had a ton of issues with permissions on it...
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2488 [22:42:33] <cedrmart> and not work properly with Nautilus (graphically) that use "gio"/"gvfs" ?
2489 [22:42:33] <twobitsprite> cedrmart: I'm convinced their developers don't understand anything about linux... files and directories often get created with 000 permissions, etc
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2491 [22:42:47] <cedrmart> Oh...
2492 [22:43:04] <twobitsprite> cedrmart: my recommendation would be to trash the synology and run FreeNAS or something
2493 [22:43:19] <cedrmart> :-D
2494 [22:43:36] <cedrmart> Or use NFS --'
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2496 [22:43:49] <twobitsprite> even then, I've had a lot of problems with NFS on it
2497 [22:44:03] <twobitsprite> (althought, not as bad as the CIFS stuff)
2498 [22:44:06] <cedrmart> Ah...
2499 [22:44:29] <cedrmart> Thank's for this
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2501 [22:44:48] <twobitsprite> I don't remember exactly what I did, but there was a weird way you have to get it to disable rootsquash
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2525 [23:07:15] <Twemlow> is anyone online?
2526 [23:08:14] <oerheks> nope, anyone just left with everybody.
2527 [23:08:18] <oerheks> hi Twemlow
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2529 [23:08:50] <greycat> /whois anyone
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2546 [23:18:39] <Xu95> Anyone is online
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2551 [23:22:16] <twobitsprite> at least noone is still here
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2557 [23:26:10] <Xu95> the ghost of debian's past roams among us
2558 [23:27:02] <PaddyF> hello Ian *bow*
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2560 [23:27:42] <PaddyF> i hope you found a place full of love whereever you are
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