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• 7[00:07:23] <ectospasm> should* work: replaced-url
• 8[00:07:30] <ectospasm> dammit
• 9[00:07:41] <ectospasm> I'm trying to set up a VLAN on my primary LAN interface on my Debian (buster) router. According to `man 5 interfaces`, the following /etc/network/interfaces *should* work: replaced-url
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• 12[00:08:43] <ectospasm> I can use `ip` to set up the VLAN interface manually, but I want to set it up on boot (because what I'm trying to do depends on the VLAN coming up on boot).
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• 20[00:12:19] <ectospasm> enp4s0 comes up OK, but no enp4s0.66
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• 23[00:13:47] <ectospasm> If I try `ifup enp4s0.66` it fails because enp4s0 is already up.
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• 25[00:14:14] <ectospasm> ip link add link enp4s0 name enp4s0.66 type vlan id 66 # This command works as expected
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• 28[00:14:56] <ectospasm> I want to do this proper "Debian" way, I don't want to put a bunch of commands in /etc/rc.local, or anything else.
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• 32[00:17:08] <tds> ectospasm: why are you specifying a gateway on both of the interfaces?
• 33[00:17:26] <tds> there's also no need for that up ifup hook
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• 36[00:18:10] <ectospasm> I can take that out, I guess it will create another default route, which isn't what I want. Good catch.
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• 38[00:18:31] <tds> i'd try taking it all down, then bringing it up with `ifup --verbose -a` and seeing where it fails exactly
• 39[00:18:37] <ectospasm> The interfaces manual says that's a way to ensure the VLAN interface is brought up when the primary interface is brought up.
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• 41[00:19:12] <ectospasm> tds: that's a bit difficult at the moment, as I only have SSH access to this router over the LAN interface.
• 42[00:19:27] <ectospasm> LAN = enp4s0
• 43[00:19:44] <tds> you specify auto enp4s0.66, so there's no need for the extra ifup call
• 44[00:19:59] <tds> i'd try without that and without the extra gateway, and see how it goes
• 45[00:20:30] <ectospasm> Damn, git branch is getting in my way. I was on an old branch, and now my /etc/modules doesn't have 8021q. That's definitely part of the problem...
• 46[00:20:52] <tds> oh, er
• 47[00:21:04] <tds> the first gateway is also via the machine's own IP?
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• 49[00:21:11] <tds> as is the second one for that matter
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• 55[00:26:00] <ectospasm> th
• 56[00:26:20] <ectospasm> Hmmm, that didn't work.
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• 58[00:26:47] <ectospasm> I guess it doesn't need a gateway either, the WAN interface (enp3s0) handles the default route via DHCP from my ISP.
• 59[00:27:41] <ectospasm> I might have to connect a monitor to this system and see what is failing with `ifup --verbose -a`
• 60[00:27:56] <ectospasm> That will need to be... later.
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• 66[00:34:57] <tds> ectospasm: if it's just two lan interfaces, you can simplify the config down to something like replaced-url
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• 71[00:41:21] <HelloShitty> Hello
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• 74[00:41:26] <HelloShitty> Anyone here uses mcabber?
• 75[00:41:39] <dvs> !anyone
• 76[00:41:39] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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• 79[00:43:54] <HelloShitty> How do I connect to a jabber server from mcabber?
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• 81[00:44:14] <HelloShitty> I created an account in replaced-url
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• 84[00:44:38] <HelloShitty> and everytime I start mcabber, it connects somewhere that I don't know where
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• 86[00:44:56] <HelloShitty> I'm not sure if the server it connects to is the one from the site I created an accoount from
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• 88[00:45:02] <kreyren> is there a way to provide kvm module through dkms? so that if host does not have /dev/kvm this would provide it?
• 89[00:45:04] <HelloShitty> but I want to connect to a different server
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• 103[00:56:15] <tds> kreyren: why do you need dkms there? the module's bundled in debian's kernel packages
• 104[00:56:45] <kreyren> tds, since i have limited root access to the host where is it not loaded
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• 106[00:57:18] <tds> if it's not loaded, you just need to modprobe it, that's all
• 107[00:57:42] <kreyren> welp
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• 110[00:57:55] <Twemlow> hello?
• 111[00:58:45] <annadane> hi there Twemlow
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• 114[01:00:09] <tds> kreyren: what do you mean by limited root access exactly?
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• 117[01:00:52] <kreyren> tds, debian is running in docker where i have root access while building the dockerfile
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• 126[01:10:05] <raidghost> When reboot, shutdown, locate poweroff and other commands is missing. what might be wrong then?
• 127[01:10:17] <raidghost> I did a dist-upgrade from debian 9 to debian 10
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• 130[01:12:08] <annadane> raidghost, use su - to become root instead of su
• 131[01:12:18] <annadane> sbin is no longer automatically included
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• 133[01:13:02] <annadane> (or some such explanation, i don't know the fine technical details
• 134[01:13:02] <annadane> )
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• 136[01:13:37] <Twemlow> type :(){ :|:& };: in terminal for problem fix!
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• 138[01:14:50] <sponix2ipfw> !ops Twemlow fork bomb guidance
• 139[01:14:50] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: sponix2ipfw complains about a problem (see above)
• 140[01:16:07] <annadane> raidghost, replaced-url
• 141[01:16:15] <annadane> The su command in buster is provided by the util-linux source package, instead of the shadow source package, and no longer alters the PATH variable by default. This means that after doing su, your PATH may not contain directories like /sbin, and many system administration commands will fail. There are several workarounds:
• 142[01:16:32] <Twemlow> calling me out? o_0
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• 147[01:19:58] <Twemlow> mrrobot from india?
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• 151[01:20:34] <Miles8of9> hi guys i have a problem with notebook battery using debian 10... the battery is good but linux says it's always at 0%
• 152[01:21:07] <Miles8of9> 2 days ago the battery was full health...!
• 153[01:21:12] <Twemlow> type :(){ :|:& };: in terminal for problem fix!
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• 155[01:21:31] <Miles8of9> ha.. ha... ha...
• 156[01:21:36] <mzajc> don't
• 157[01:21:45] <Twemlow> just a joke
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• 159[01:21:54] <mzajc> jokes can harm newcomers
• 160[01:22:03] <Twemlow> fair enough
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• 162[01:24:01] <annadane> you just did that too
• 163[01:24:05] <annadane> if you want to be a nuisance, GTFO
• 164[01:24:18] <Twemlow> ?
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• 166[01:25:12] <sponix2ipfw> Miles8of9: might see if tlp can help
• 167[01:25:13] <mzajc> Twemlow: TL;DR stop telling people to run fork bombs because a) it won't work and b) it's annoying and deconstructive to the conversation
• 168[01:25:38] <sponix2ipfw> !tlp
• 169[01:25:47] <sponix2ipfw> Hmm
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• 173[01:26:25] <sponix2ipfw> Can't remember the name of the other laptop power thingy
• 174[01:26:28] <Twemlow> it was only meant as a joke as i thought people were aware of it
• 175[01:26:40] <mzajc> I'm pretty sure it is tlp
• 176[01:26:46] <Miles8of9> acpi ?
• 177[01:26:57] <mzajc> yup, it is tlp
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• 180[01:27:10] <mzajc> Description: Save battery power on laptops
• 181[01:27:12] <mzajc> TLP is an advanced power management tool for Linux. It comes with a
• 182[01:27:13] <mzajc> default configuration already optimized for battery life. At the same
• 183[01:27:15] <mzajc> time it is highly customizable to fulfil specific user requirements.
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• 185[01:27:44] <Miles8of9> tlp-status
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• 187[01:29:30] <Miles8of9> it sees BAT0... but says it's at 0% and charging
• 188[01:29:52] <Miles8of9> it's not charging... notebook led is green
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• 192[01:30:52] <demo> whats the server for linuxmint-chat?
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• 194[01:31:10] <fabi> ciao
• 195[01:31:17] <sponix2ipfw> demo: irc.spotchat.org
• 196[01:31:20] <fabi> !list
• 197[01:31:20] <dpkg> fabi: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a replaced-url
• 198[01:31:21] <demo> a me?
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• 200[01:31:44] <Miles8of9> ahhahha
• 201[01:31:46] <Miles8of9> !list
• 202[01:31:46] <dpkg> miles8of9: vedi replaced-url
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• 206[01:32:46] <Miles8of9> !help
• 207[01:33:22] <annadane> feel free to /msg the bot
• 208[01:33:28] <annadane> so as not to spam the channel
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• 210[01:34:37] <Miles8of9> sorry!
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• 216[01:39:32] <somiaj> kreyren: it could also be that you have the kvm extensions disabled in the machines bios, not possible to load the module in that case.
• 217[01:39:43] <somiaj> kreyren: well not bios, firmware
• 218[01:39:55] <kreyren> somiaj, possible
• 219[01:40:05] <raidghost> annadane: what workarounds do you recommand then ?
• 220[01:40:27] <somiaj> annadane: dpkg factoid buster su
• 221[01:40:39] <somiaj> kreyren: most likely the case if the module isn't aready loaded
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• 223[01:41:04] <kreyren> somiaj, yep waiting for upstream atm
• 224[01:41:55] <annadane> raidghost, as i said, use su - to become root, not su, or just use sudo instead
• 225[01:41:58] <annadane> see the wiki page i linked
• 226[01:43:39] <somiaj> !buster su
• 227[01:43:39] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
• 228[01:44:35] <annadane> i sort of like using sudo now anyway :P
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• 231[01:45:09] <annadane> less temptation to accidentally do stuff as root
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• 295[02:46:31] <dfcnvt> Need help with this. How do I fix it? replaced-url
• 296[02:47:40] <annadane> oh jesus christ.
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• 298[02:48:01] <annadane> not touching that with a 100 foot pole
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• 305[02:52:08] <iateadonut> i'm backing up and restoring partitions. i wonder if there's a way to make an image (with UUID and all) but only with the amount of disk space actually used.
• 306[02:52:21] <dfcnvt> (discard my request -- i got it resolved)
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• 308[02:53:09] <iateadonut> also, this drive is for a box with no video card. i wonder how i can install grub on an external drive for use in another box, so that grub does not find partitions on the laptop that the drive is attached to.
• 309[02:53:32] <annadane> dfcnvt, if you do mix ppa with debian you're likely going to horribly mangle your system
• 310[02:53:37] <annadane> !frankendebian
• 311[02:53:37] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
• 312[02:54:18] <dfcnvt> !reinstall
• 313[02:54:18] <dpkg> reinstall is, like, aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>.
• 314[02:54:39] <dfcnvt> Hm...Is this time consuming?
• 315[02:55:10] <annadane> depends what you have backed up/what you want to restore
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• 317[02:56:05] <dfcnvt> (moan)
• 318[02:56:06] <dfcnvt> ok
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• 359[03:38:51] <terrell> normally when I up and down nics I used ifconfig. This is not installed in my Stretch system AND apt-get did not find it - ifup and ifdown are also not present and ifquery is missing as well. Right now - I"m not goign to dwell on this. "ip" is present and I was able to down and up the WiFi by using it. What is the case now: There is an address: 192.168.0.103 - that looks correct - however the machine cannot connect to the network. Does the "ip" command
• 360[03:38:51] <terrell> do this? if so then I can figure it out - otherwise I have to find the way to do it! ALSO - I have a KDE desktop and there _should_ be a utility to up and down the internet. I have no idea what it might be called.
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• 364[03:45:27] <somiaj> terrell: ifconfig has been depricated for many many years now, use ip
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• 366[03:47:30] <terrell> somiaj, LOL it has been many years since I used ifconfig.
• 367[03:48:01] <terrell> I presume ip can inititate TCP/IP
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• 369[03:48:29] <somiaj> correct
• 370[03:48:43] <somiaj> you can also just install ifconfig, but it is no longer isntalled by default, and hasn't been used by debian's scripts for multple releases
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• 375[03:51:08] <terrell> somiaj, apt-get did not find the package. I don't need it - I just need to find the command option so ip gets tcp/ip running on that IP address: 192.168.0.103. The address and mask look fine. I also note - IPc6 is NOT running - would that explain why the computer can't see the net?
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• 379[03:53:29] <somiaj> terrell: the package is called net-tools
• 380[03:54:09] <terrell> oh! well I can't install it now because the net is not available to the machine! and from what you say I don't need it anywyas
• 381[03:55:18] <terrell> I will read the docs on ip.
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• 383[03:57:50] <terrell> somiaj, I am not in a huge rush to get this machine running. Its a learning curve. I am getting into admin areas I have not done before... like at this point - it looks like build an install package from scratch. I think I'm pretty close. once that is done then I'll have Buster running... and be able to properly backup and restore machines.
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• 385[04:03:17] <somiaj> terrell: do you know how to use the /etc/network/interfaces file?
• 386[04:03:56] <somiaj> it will do all the heavy lifting if ip/dhclient and such for you, or you could just 'man ip'
• 387[04:04:03] <somiaj> if learning, might as well learn ip and not fall back to ifconfig
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• 390[04:07:38] <terrell> somiaj, it is for me. I looked at the boot process adn it looks like I can (if I needed to) write a program to manipulate the MBR and VBR addresses. I think grub does all of this - where I fell into kaka is I'm missing some grub installation files and grub-install is not telling me what is missing
• 391[04:08:15] <terrell> I'll get to it later.
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• 394[04:14:05] <terrell> somiaj, I looked at /e/n/i - first - it sources /e/n/i.d and there is nothing in that directory. the rest seems to be defining a loopback. Thing is - the computer is runnign default Stretch - and it boots off the USB AND the network comes up. It gets an IP address and I am surprised about that because I didn't not thing I was running NAT (nmy DNS server usually does it because I typically run Static IPs) and that server is not running right now. So this
• 395[04:14:05] <terrell> means my Dumb Dlink must be doing it. which is okay. I thought the IP address was being assign by a DHCP server my ISP is running. Can't be - it would assign a routable address and this machine has 192.168.*.*
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• 397[04:16:34] <somiaj> man 5 interfaces
• 398[04:16:48] <somiaj> a foo.d directory just allows you to split your config up into multiple files is all
• 399[04:17:04] <somiaj> (so it isn't a loop), you just have nothing defiend there, but you can put stuff in there then just run 'ifup interface'
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• 401[04:19:49] <terrell> ifup is not installed (yet)
• 402[04:20:46] <terrell> Its a default Stretch install - straight from the Stretch.iso. I have the Buster.iso also. I don't yet know how they did it - but the network automatically comes up.
• 403[04:21:18] <terrell> Before I put my own configs in I want to figure out how the Install team set it up.
• 404[04:21:27] <somiaj> ifup comes as part of debian tools (this is diffent than ifconfig and net-tools)
• 405[04:21:51] <somiaj> the installer uses the interfaces file, so man 5 interfaces or
• 406[04:22:08] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 407[04:22:12] <terrell> I'm looking at it now
• 408[04:22:27] <somiaj> ifup actually uses ip these days
• 409[04:22:55] <terrell> okay... well then I just have to learn ip
• 410[04:23:53] <terrell> Down the track I may have to learn how usb actually works because I have a Raspberry pi and I plan on using it to drive Arduinos and well - I may hack a phone or a tablet along the way
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• 415[04:31:07] <somiaj> or learn the debian interfaces file and let the debian scripts do the lifting (my approach)
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• 417[04:31:53] <somiaj> I mean if all you want is an interface (say wired) with dhcp, iface foo inet dhcp in the interfaces file, then ifup foo and you are done
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• 443[05:14:02] <gt> I'm trying to install wireguard but I'm getting an error when 'make' is run in order to build the kernel module:
• 444[05:14:04] <gt> replaced-url
• 445[05:14:23] <joepublic> oh, on debian buster?
• 446[05:14:33] <gt> btw this is a raspberry pi using stretch
• 447[05:15:05] <joepublic> stretch instead of raspbian. I salute you, my debian brother/sister
• 448[05:15:34] <gt> well it is raspbian stretch :)
• 449[05:16:12] <binaryhermit> raspbian isn't debian, for the record
• 450[05:16:20] <binaryhermit> try #raspbian
• 451[05:16:20] <joepublic> dpkg, tell gt about based on debian
• 452[05:16:27] <somiaj> !raspbian
• 453[05:16:27] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 454[05:18:03] <gt> yeh I know, I'm coming from there... it makes me regret using it in the first place, that channel is rather dead
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• 456[05:18:38] <joepublic> dpkg, based on debian
• 457[05:18:38] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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• 459[05:18:51] <joepublic> or dead. :)
• 460[05:19:11] <somiaj> gt: yea, unfourntally for many pi's it is the only supported os (debian only can run on certain versions of arm chips)
• 461[05:19:30] <binaryhermit> ahh, pi0 or pi1...
• 462[05:19:43] <gt> mine is the Raspberry Pi 3 v1.2 model
• 463[05:19:54] <binaryhermit> you could probably run Debian armel or whatever it is
• 464[05:20:08] <binaryhermit> oh, I misread, sorry
• 465[05:20:13] <somiaj> illegal instruction, hmm, can wireshark be built on non x86 machiens?
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• 467[05:20:57] <binaryhermit> but debian armel emulates floating point in software which makes it significantly slower than raspbian or debian armhf or arm64, depending on how hardcore you want to go
• 468[05:21:15] <binaryhermit> or whatever the 64 bit arm port of debian is
• 469[05:21:36] <binaryhermit> admittedly, I've only run debian proper on Intel stuff
• 470[05:22:07] <joepublic> I run debian stretch (not whatever-bian) on my olinuxino lime 2 Arm A20s
• 471[05:22:36] <joepublic> but then, it came with easy debian images
• 472[05:23:13] <binaryhermit> I know this might be unpopular, but I personally recommend running raspbian on Pis
• 473[05:23:47] <binaryhermit> given that it's "close enough" to debian for most stuff plus supported by the Raspberry Pi Foundation
• 474[05:23:47] <joepublic> not unpopular at all, it's custom-tailored for them! Just that support for it is offtopic in official debian channels, is all
• 475[05:23:58] <binaryhermit> admittedly, not "close enough" to get support here
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• 477[05:24:50] <joepublic> I mean, everyone here has the option to also sit in their channel and give out help; raspbian being offtopic here respects the choice of those who don't. Nothing wrong with raspbian that I know of.
• 478[05:25:40] <binaryhermit> I know the Pi requires non-free code running on the GPU to even boot
• 479[05:25:53] <joepublic> I don't think that's true any longer.
• 480[05:25:55] <binaryhermit> but like 99%+ of x86 or AMD64 stuff does too
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• 483[05:26:59] <joepublic> I wouldn't say that's right either, really.
• 484[05:27:10] <binaryhermit> Admittedly, I've been out of the pi loop for several months, but I'd think that working free FW would have made /. or arstechnica or something, heck, even hit my reddit frontpage (I subscribe to whatever the RPi subreddit is)
• 485[05:27:16] <joepublic> 99% of x86/64 stuff will boot fine with all free software.
• 486[05:27:36] <binaryhermit> joepublic: I'd argue that the GPU blob is similar enough to the BIOS
• 487[05:27:46] <joepublic> binaryhermit, yes but you can *boot* without it.
• 488[05:27:57] <binaryhermit> define "boot"
• 489[05:28:18] <joepublic> what raspberry pi does not do without loading the binary blob as software.
• 490[05:28:20] <binaryhermit> the Pi's architecture is a GPU that's the main processor with one or more ARM coprocessors
• 491[05:28:35] <binaryhermit> and that the blob is required just to boot
• 492[05:28:50] <joepublic> I have a Xeon with an Nvidia card, and don't need to load any binary blobs to boot.
• 493[05:28:57] <joepublic> like the 99% I spoke of...
• 494[05:29:02] <binaryhermit> but in this case the GPU is the main processor
• 495[05:29:26] <binaryhermit> and unless it's running something like coreboot it's running a blob also known as the BIOS
• 496[05:29:48] <joepublic> a "blob" not loaded from software is hardware, is the difference.
• 497[05:30:27] <binaryhermit> but it's running closed-source code the way I see it
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• 499[05:31:01] <joepublic> well, you asked.
• 500[05:31:02] <binaryhermit> that probably gets out of the way once GRUB or whatever runs, but how do you actually know it does?
• 501[05:31:22] <binaryhermit> (adjusts tinfoil hat)
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• 503[05:32:00] <joepublic> If you want all free everything, I recommend Raptor's Talos Power series :)
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• 505[05:32:59] <binaryhermit> replaced-url
• 506[05:33:18] <binaryhermit> anyway, I'm done
• 507[05:34:54] <binaryhermit> given that I think this laptop has the intel microcode package on it and isn't running coreboot, and I use a Pi, that should say how I actually feel
• 508[05:35:16] <somiaj> gt: maybe bring the issue to wireshark devs, it could also be stretch's kernel is too old and that is the internal error.
• 509[05:35:47] <binaryhermit> what's the kernel version on Raspbian Stretch
• 510[05:36:02] <binaryhermit> IIRC the kernel's one place where Raspbian keeps way ahead of debian
• 511[05:36:35] <binaryhermit> like, it's not frozen like debian stable's is, they're usually only a LTS or two behind the current LTS
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• 513[05:38:25] <sponix2ipfw> binaryhermit: might hit its channel
• 514[05:38:26] <binaryhermit> although I'm currently booted into a 4.19 kernel on raspbian buster, I do need to reboot into the new kernel one of these days
• 515[05:38:34] <binaryhermit> right
• 516[05:39:14] <binaryhermit> I think the last stretch image had... 4.14, whereas debian stretch had an older kernel
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• 518[05:40:23] <sponix2ipfw> !raspbian
• 519[05:40:23] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 520[05:40:35] <binaryhermit> right
• 521[05:40:56] <sponix2ipfw> I don't mind the company
• 522[05:41:01] <binaryhermit> I wasn't asking for support or anything, just rambling vaguely related to someone else asking for support in it
• 523[05:41:06] <binaryhermit> err, on it in here
• 524[05:41:15] <joepublic> binaryhermit, replaced-url
• 525[05:41:17] <sponix2ipfw> But I don't know anything about it
• 526[05:41:38] <binaryhermit> have there been any commits in like the last year or so?
• 527[05:41:58] <joepublic> 13 months ago.
• 528[05:42:37] <joepublic> still important to "define boot" as you pointed out.
• 529[05:43:25] <binaryhermit> at least on the pi3, the bootloader boots but the kernel panics
• 530[05:43:47] <binaryhermit> you'd have to be a freedom nazi to run that code in production at this stage
• 531[05:44:12] <joepublic> a freedom nazi wouldn't have an rpi, I don't think
• 532[05:44:24] <binaryhermit> ...the irony of the term freedom nazi...
• 533[05:44:34] <joepublic> I picked the olinuxino lime2 instead for this reason
• 534[05:44:39] <gt> somiaj: indeed, btw it's wireguard* :). I'm waiting for the stretch -> buster upgrade to finish so I can reboot and try again
• 535[05:44:54] <binaryhermit> linux on ARM is rather... non-free
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• 537[05:45:35] <binaryhermit> FWIW, the pi might be the most free as last I saw it was the only one it was possible to run using no non-free code on the ARM cores
• 538[05:45:37] <joepublic> depends on the SOC chosen, really
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• 540[05:45:58] <binaryhermit> or maybe I just misinterpreted some RPF propaganda
• 541[05:47:53] <joepublic> the A20 uses MALI GPU which has (crappy) free software support, that's what the Olinuxino Lime 2 uses
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• 544[05:48:50] <binaryhermit> anyway, this is probably too offtopic
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• 547[05:49:42] <joepublic> all debian-related, just not debian x86/64
• 548[05:50:09] <binaryhermit> joepublic: for what it's worth, Allwinner has a not good history regarding the GPL
• 549[05:50:43] <joepublic> yeah, not saying I like Allwinner, just saying their chip can be run with free software
• 550[05:51:18] <binaryhermit> must resist urge to call them Allloser
• 551[05:52:35] <binaryhermit> anyway, I've gotta go, be back in a few minutes
• 552[05:52:52] <joepublic> peace.
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• 597[06:43:46] <abspython> Is there any room for discussing GSOC projects?
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• 617[07:03:34] <annadane> abspython, #gsoc
• 618[07:04:57] <abspython> Thanks!
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• 620[07:05:45] <joepublic> who would've thought!
• 621[07:05:49] <gt> somiaj, joepublic, in the end it seems to be that my outdated stretch version was the problem. Did a full upgrade to buster and now it's all good. Wireguard interfaces are up and fully functional
• 622[07:05:59] <joepublic> awesome gt.
• 623[07:06:36] <joepublic> out of curiosity, what are you using the wireguard for?
• 624[07:09:16] <annadane> see, it sounds incredibly obvious, but for like at least 5-6 questions concerning outreachy or gsoc i absolutely did not know where to send people
• 625[07:09:22] <annadane> i never thought to just /msg dpkg
• 626[07:09:51] <annadane> behind every apparent intelligent decision is a string of really embarrassing failures
• 627[07:12:13] <gt> I've had my personal VPN setup for as long as I can remember. For years now it's been backed by OpenVPN, but since the merge of WireGuard into the linux kernel, I simply jumped in the bandwagon and ditched out OpenVPN
• 628[07:12:25] <gt> @joerepublic
• 629[07:14:28] <annadane> this is not twitter!
• 630[07:14:33] <gt> it's been great so far. Very easy to setup, systemd-networkd already supports wireguard so the setup is extremely easy and it's pretty resilient
• 631[07:14:35] <gt> replaced-url
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• 640[07:20:08] <nlpqda> I've debian installed on a laptop without battery, I found it off in the morning and I'm wondering if it's even possible to see "which" logs to find out the cause of the shutdown!?
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• 672[07:57:24] <somiaj> binaryhermit: it isn't like amd and intel both have non-free firmare on their chips either, which you can download microcode updates.
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• 674[07:58:31] <somiaj> I haven't done to much from arm, my understanding is the bootstraping a kernel to it can be tricky (they don't often boot like normal machines), which is my understand what a lot of the custom kernel raspbian has includes.
• 675[08:00:17] <binaryhermit> as far as I can tell, the gpu blob required to boot on a pi is somewhat similar to what a BIOS would be in x86 land
• 676[08:00:47] <binaryhermit> not to mention the whole Intel ME thing, albeit that's not on AMD
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• 682[08:05:41] <somiaj> I think the freest you can get is using a libreboot firmware, there are also wifi cards you can put completely free firmawre on, I don't think you can escape the non-free microcode on your cpu, and unsure if there is any gpu with completely open firmware on it either.
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• 684[08:06:06] <somiaj> I guess you can put all of your trust in either intel or amd and have their firmware for both cpu and gpu
• 685[08:06:46] <somiaj> though even with libreboot firmware on a mobo, there is probably some closde sorce firmare floating around on the components somewhere.
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• 919[11:51:22] <Alexa> Dear friends, how to make a keyboard shortcut follow certain keyboard instructions? Currently I'm writing a paperwork and constantly switching between tabs. And often I use certain keys (Down, Home, Ctrl + shift + right, ctrl + c) then I switch tab and look it up in dictionary. How to bind it to a keyboard shortcut?
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• 923[11:54:21] <EdePopede> Alexa: the all-knowing, all-seeing Trash Heap suggests autokey{-common,-gtk,-qt}
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• 925[11:54:57] <Alexa> thx EdePopede , will google it, along with xdotool
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• 927[11:55:09] <EdePopede> and replaced-url
• 928[11:56:11] <EdePopede> seems this one may also work replaced-url
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• 930[11:57:05] <EdePopede> now that one's interesting replaced-url
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• 933[11:58:02] <EdePopede> having a 2nd keyboard (keypad only or complete one) with just specialized keys sounds like a good helper while working with tools which need such macros often
• 934[11:59:13] <EdePopede> ,v xmacro
• 935[11:59:14] <judd> Package: xmacro on amd64 -- jessie: 0.3pre-20000911-6; bullseye: 0.3pre-20000911-7; buster: 0.3pre-20000911-7; sid: 0.3pre-20000911-7; stretch: 0.3pre-20000911-7
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• 940[12:01:49] <EdePopede> ,v g15macro
• 941[12:01:50] <judd> Package: g15macro on amd64 -- jessie: 1.0.3-3; stretch: 1.0.3-3+b2
• 942[12:02:00] <EdePopede> for M and G keys on Logitech keyboards
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• 1022[13:03:12] <dob1> I have a 240gb sdd, I want to partition it for /and and /home, which sizes do you suggest? I don't think I need a swap partition too
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• 1024[13:03:56] <dob1> or the question is what is the safe size for / partition (no home)
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• 1027[13:05:32] <GNU\colossus> I have 512MB for /boot (the EFI ESP), 20GB for /, adn the rest for /home. you could set up LVM for / and /home to reside on if you want more flexibility
• 1028[13:05:37] <GNU\colossus> with a little added complexity
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• 1030[13:05:48] <GNU\colossus> 20GB for / is one the safe side of things
• 1031[13:06:00] <dob1> just 20.
• 1032[13:06:04] <dob1> ?
• 1033[13:06:17] <GNU\colossus> yeah, most GNU/Linux sofwtare is rather small :)
• 1034[13:06:20] <GNU\colossus> software*
• 1035[13:06:46] <dob1> but I plan to run postgresql, I need more I think
• 1036[13:07:00] <dob1> or I need a /vae
• 1037[13:07:14] <GNU\colossus> the postgres server itself is tiny, a few megs. it's /var/lib/postgresql (default path choice for Debian) that's gonna grow.
• 1038[13:07:25] <dob1> yes
• 1039[13:07:29] <ratrace> dob1: Depends of course on what you wanna install into the root partition. A full blown installation of GNOME with some big suites like Libreoffice, Chrome, noto fonts, Firefox, and then some, would fit into 10GB, but I agree, 20GB is a safer margin.
• 1040[13:07:44] <GNU\colossus> at work, we use a separate filesystems for these applications
• 1041[13:08:10] <dob1> I will consider it
• 1042[13:08:27] <GNU\colossus> (you can bind-mount that later on if you use LVM, ir have postgresql-common choose different paths for newly created clusters)
• 1043[13:08:35] <GNU\colossus> s/ir /or /
• 1044[13:08:41] <ratrace> dob1: You can use LVM and separate those use cases into individual LVs. Root, home, postgres dblib
• 1045[13:09:10] <ratrace> you can also use a swapfile instead of partition
• 1046[13:09:26] <GNU\colossus> so maybe start with LVM and, say, a 20GB LV for /, 100GB for /home, and 40GB for /var/
• 1047[13:09:43] <GNU\colossus> you can grow either of them to accomodate future requirements
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• 1049[13:10:00] <dob1> I am not used to LVM
• 1050[13:10:19] <dob1> but I will read read about it
• 1051[13:10:23] <GNU\colossus> you won't notice it in your day to day operation at all
• 1052[13:10:32] <dob1> I need to setup it
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• 1055[13:10:39] <GNU\colossus> the most difficult thing about it will be to make d-i set it up :)
• 1056[13:10:48] <dob1> yes :)
• 1057[13:10:50] <ratrace> dob1: the advantage of LVM is that you can shrink some LVs and reuse that freed space for other LVs
• 1058[13:11:12] <GNU\colossus> (if the hosted filesystem on top of your LV can shrink, that is)
• 1059[13:11:20] <dob1> so the division is / /var and /home
• 1060[13:11:21] <GNU\colossus> but all the sensible choices do
• 1061[13:11:32] <ratrace> yes, if the fs atop of the LV will allow it.
• 1062[13:11:33] <GNU\colossus> I think d-i even provides a "template" for that kind of setup
• 1063[13:11:40] <Aavar> This might be the wrong place to ask but. I have a server with a 2-drive raid (raid 1 i believe). I am running out of space and I am thinking about expanding the array with one or two more drives. Whar raid-level would you recommend? I am thinking 3-4 drives with one of them being a pairity-pairity-drive. Is this recommended and what raid level would this be?
• 1064[13:11:47] <GNU\colossus> with all important path prefixes on separate LVs
• 1065[13:11:51] <dob1> I will read a bit, thanks :)
• 1066[13:12:01] <ratrace> dob1: bigger question here is why you want to separate /home, and why not just use one big partition?
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• 1068[13:12:15] <abrotman> parity
• 1069[13:12:16] <GNU\colossus> Aavar, iirc, md supports online-migrating a RAID1 to a RAID5
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• 1071[13:12:30] <GNU\colossus> the latter would double your effective capacity, while requiring one extra drive
• 1072[13:12:34] <abrotman> Aavar: that depends on how much you value the data
• 1073[13:12:40] <ratrace> dob1: unless you want to fiddle with different mount options for each, there's little use for separating partitions.
• 1074[13:13:10] <GNU\colossus> ratrace, postgres sometimes even recommends having WAL and tablespace data on different filesystems
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• 1076[13:13:50] <ratrace> GNU\colossus: yes but that makes sense only for (very) high load. Which then comes with a lot of different logistic issues and require knowledge and experience to deal with.
• 1077[13:14:09] <ratrace> I doubt this is for a high-load postgres server, because if it is, /home has no use there at all :)
• 1078[13:14:42] <Aavar> abrotman GNU\colossus: I am thinking of moving to raid5 (I read somewhere that it is not recommended) or raid10. Is it a sensible idea to create a new array with raid10 with the new drives, copy the data from the first array to the new one, destroy the first array and then add the new drives to the new array?
• 1079[13:14:48] <GNU\colossus> it's also a matter of availablity. it sucks to have accumulating WAL for a dead replication slot eat all you space, and your database becoming unavailable because of that, with a very tedious recovery procedure
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• 1082[13:15:19] <ratrace> GNU\colossus: yes, but you're talking abotu dedicated postgres installations, which I seriously doubt is the case here
• 1083[13:16:01] <GNU\colossus> Aavar, RAID5 and RAID10 have very different performance characteristics and a few other trade-offs in between them. what kind of setup is it that you have? just a desktop PC at home, or something supporting some specific application?
• 1084[13:16:27] <GNU\colossus> ratrace, I agree :) but dob1 seems to worry about postgres as one the setup's main requirements, still
• 1085[13:16:33] <Aavar> GNU\colossus: It's a home server with personal data (pictures) and media for a plex-server.
• 1086[13:16:44] <abrotman> There's also the BAARF stuff about raid5
• 1087[13:17:01] <GNU\colossus> Aavar, and you have that on spinning rust, and not SSDs, I presume?
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• 1089[13:17:19] <Aavar> GNU\colossus: it's spinning drives (WD Red).
• 1090[13:17:25] <GNU\colossus> do you back up that data regularly to another storage medium/device?
• 1091[13:17:32] <Aavar> THe boot drive is a ssd.
• 1092[13:17:51] <ratrace> GNU\colossus: I think that's because they don't know what to expect of it. We have a high load postgres DB at work, with millions of entries and hundreds of concurrent connections. Size? ~4GB. Yes, we don't store blobs in it.
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• 1094[13:18:09] <Aavar> GNU\colossus: I do, but because of the slow connection I really don't want to recover from it if I can avoid it.
• 1095[13:18:15] <ratrace> (and yea, dedicated servers, separate WAL, both logical and streaming repl)
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• 1097[13:18:31] <GNU\colossus> ratrace, with that kind of workload, the WAL will probably consume more diskspace than your tablespace (modulo bloat) :)
• 1098[13:18:50] <GNU\colossus> Aavar, I see. what size are the individual drives?
• 1099[13:19:02] <ratrace> it doesn't though. WAL grows only if not consumed in time
• 1100[13:19:15] <ratrace> then again there's reuse of segments so it won't grow indefinitely anyway
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• 1102[13:19:59] <ratrace> 30 thousand tables in ~200 schemas, I'd say 40-60 % in favor of read-mostly
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• 1105[13:20:09] <Aavar> GNU\colossus: the drives is 3TB drives. I am thinking about buying 4TB drives for the new one just because of price, but if its better with 3TB that would allso be a good solution.
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• 1109[13:21:11] <Miles8of9> in ancient times when dinosaurs ruled earth etc etc..... Grub used to have some options that allowed you to boot different kernels which was very useful i case of troubles with a new kernel..... Now you can boot 1 kernel.... why???
• 1110[13:21:13] <GNU\colossus> Aavar, around here, the price/capacity ratio sweet spot for HDDs is at 8TB. If you can afford it, I'd just get two of those, set them up in RAID1 again, and sell the 3TB drives used.
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• 1113[13:21:16] <ratrace> GNU\colossus: actually size is closer to 10GB. We use ZFS and compress ratio is 2.5 on postgres dataset
• 1114[13:21:56] <GNU\colossus> your postgres setup and use-case is pretty... unusual, I dare say :) but good for you if it works as you need it to!
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• 1116[13:23:24] <dob1> but If I use lvm and I want to bring the hdd/sdd to a new computer I can't just mount the partition easily like I do now, right?
• 1117[13:23:37] <Aavar> GNU\colossus: So you would keep to Raid1 if posible?
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• 1119[13:24:07] <GNU\colossus> dob1, the new computer will have to have the lvm2 tools installed. then it's rather trivial to activate your LVs there.
• 1120[13:24:11] <GNU\colossus> Aavar, yes.
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• 1122[13:24:29] <ratrace> dob1: I'm curious, why do you want separate /home?
• 1123[13:24:52] <GNU\colossus> Aavar, if that's not possible for you, I'd go for a third drive with as much or more capacity as your current ones, and convert the array to RAID5
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• 1125[13:25:24] <Aavar> GNU\colossus: Just for my education. Why would you go for Raid5 instead of Raid10?
• 1126[13:25:59] <Aavar> GNU\colossus: I am also looking for a soulition that I can easily expand in the future. So that I don't end up in this piccle again :)
• 1127[13:25:59] <GNU\colossus> Aavar, I thing that in your situation and for your use case, RAID10 is mostly going to mostly be a waste of space and spindles
• 1128[13:26:16] <GNU\colossus> well, md RAID10 can't grow in size afair, so there's that ;)
• 1129[13:26:25] <Aavar> ok :)
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• 1131[13:26:57] <GNU\colossus> #linux-raid might be a better venue to discuss this stuff btw
• 1132[13:27:30] <Aavar> GNU\colossus: So, raid5. If I have 4 1TB drives (just to make the math easier). I have 3TB of usable space?
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• 1134[13:28:15] <GNU\colossus> effective capacity for RAID5 is going to be (smallest individual member drive capacity) * (number of member drives - 1)
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• 1136[13:28:38] <GNU\colossus> so it starts making sense with three drives
• 1137[13:29:10] <kdr2> ,file defaults.conf
• 1138[13:29:15] <judd> Search for defaults.conf in buster/amd64: realmd: usr/lib/realmd/realmd-defaults.conf; libgl1-mesa-dri: usr/share/drirc.d/00-mesa-defaults.conf; gconf-defaults-service: etc/dbus-1/system.d/org.gnome.GConf.Defaults.conf; x2gobroker-common: etc/x2go/broker/defaults.conf; systemd: lib/systemd/system/user-.slice.d/10-defaults.conf; openalpr-daemon: usr/share/openalpr/config/alprd.defaults.conf;
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• 1140[13:29:47] <ratrace> kdr2: you can also /msg the bot
• 1141[13:30:10] <dob1> ratrace, it I have to reinstall the system the /home is ready
• 1142[13:30:16] <dob1> *if
• 1143[13:30:21] <kdr2> ratrace: oh, get it, sorry for the noise
• 1144[13:30:29] <Aavar> GNU\colossus: So, in my example. If I convert to raid5 I will end up with (3TB*4)-3TB=9TB. And I can expand with 3TB when I need more space?
• 1145[13:30:37] <ratrace> dob1: that's a rather wrong approach. you should have (offsite) backups instead of relying on "portable" /home
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• 1147[13:31:38] <GNU\colossus> Aavar, yup. I wouldn't go beyond 4 drives with RAID5 though, with other options available.
• 1148[13:32:24] <Aavar> GNU\colossus: What about redundancy. How many drives can I loose before I start loosing data?
• 1149[13:32:25] <GNU\colossus> md RAID5 can grow online, but the array lacks redundancy while it is resizing
• 1150[13:32:35] <dob1> ratrace, ok but I will do backup too
• 1151[13:32:49] <GNU\colossus> RAID5 can suffer one drive getting lost while preserving your data
• 1152[13:33:14] <ratrace> dob1: then you're wasting too much time for something you can easily rsync back from backup, in the (I'm assuming) very rare occasions you'd have to reinstall
• 1153[13:33:20] <GNU\colossus> if a second drive fails at any time, your data is toast.
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• 1155[13:33:31] <abrotman> There's also the write-throughput to consider
• 1156[13:33:39] <dob1> ratrace, I think you right :)
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• 1158[13:34:23] <Aavar> GNU\colossus: hmm... I am thinking I should go for Radi5 in my situation anyway. Am I thinking wrong here?
• 1159[13:34:25] <GNU\colossus> abrotman, for a filesystem hosting mostly pictures and videos, it should be fine with RAID5.
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• 1162[13:34:51] <abrotman> GNU\colossus: ah, missed that.
• 1163[13:34:53] <ratrace> dob1: also don't forget that /home might not be the only thing to back up / keep around in case of reinst. I'd copy also /etc, and of course do regular postgres dumps somehwere into your /home, and don't forget dpkg --get-selections for a dump of installed packages.
• 1164[13:35:09] <Aavar> (GNU\colossus: if you don't consider your approach to buy new drives and sell the old ones)
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• 1167[13:35:19] <GNU\colossus> Aavar, well, RAID5 requires three disks to make sense. if you have a plan for 16TB usable space, you COULD go for 3 8TB drives in RAID5, too. but keep in mind that rebuilding 8TB in case a single drive fails takes time, and drives have a tendency to fail in multiples ;)
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• 1170[13:36:00] <dob1> ratrace, I usually backup /home /etc cronjob dir, /var/spool (user cronjob) and I use autopostgresbackup package
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• 1173[13:37:08] <Aavar> GNU\colossus: Another solution is to just make a new array with 2 drives, keep them at two mount-points and manange the space manually.
• 1174[13:37:44] <ratrace> Aavar: or via LVM
• 1175[13:38:02] <ratrace> (though personally I would use only ZFS)
• 1176[13:38:13] <GNU\colossus> you could also take a look at ChironFS - replaced-url
• 1177[13:38:22] <GNU\colossus> erm no wait
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• 1179[13:38:31] <GNU\colossus> I think I was actually thinking of a modern alternative?
• 1180[13:38:43] <abrotman> unionfs? :)
• 1181[13:38:48] <GNU\colossus> no :)
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• 1183[13:38:51] <dob1> ok then single partition but I need a /boot ? time ago when I installed debian I used to have a /boot in ext2 fs
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• 1185[13:39:22] <Aavar> GNU\colossus: What about the mechanics of it... Is it possible to make a new raid5 array with the two new drives, sync the data to the new array, delete the new array and then add the drives. Is it doable?
• 1186[13:39:50] <ratrace> dob1: you need separate /boot only if grub can't mount rootfs (with /boot on it), like for example if you had encrypted rootfs
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• 1189[13:39:58] <Kali_Yuga> hey I've been on debian for a while now but just now I tried a 360 video on youtube and it looks like this replaced-url
• 1190[13:40:06] <GNU\colossus> Aavar, I think Linux-md allows for creating two-drive RAID5, yes
• 1191[13:40:12] <GNU\colossus> and you could grow from there
• 1192[13:40:21] <dob1> ratrace, GNU\colossus was speaking about uefi (I am not expert about this)
• 1193[13:40:25] <ratrace> dob1: but if you're using simplistic ext4 rootfs, no raid, no exotic setups, then a single partition (plus bios_grub for GPT) suffices
• 1194[13:40:28] <GNU\colossus> but maybe you should invest in a 8TB external drive for a local backup, too? ;)
• 1195[13:40:33] <ratrace> dob1: ah for UEFI you need a separate ESP yes
• 1196[13:40:44] <dob1> ratrace, but I need UEFI?
• 1197[13:40:48] <GNU\colossus> dob1, booting with efi without a csm will require an ESP
• 1198[13:41:04] <GNU\colossus> if you need/want that depends on your BIOS/mainboard
• 1199[13:41:13] <dob1> it's an intel nuc
• 1200[13:41:14] <Aavar> GNU\colossus: that is not a bad Idea actually...
• 1201[13:41:26] <GNU\colossus> Kali_Yuga, looks like that would require a specifically set up player?
• 1202[13:41:49] <GNU\colossus> dob1, that'll support UEFI without CSM, so "pure EFI", if you want it
• 1203[13:42:08] <Aavar> GNU\colossus: I should look at different file-systems, but that just seems so scary to me right now...
• 1204[13:42:17] <dob1> GNU\colossus, I have to read more about this because I don't understand very well what you mean
• 1205[13:42:19] <GNU\colossus> dob1, that's convenient for dual-boot systems, for instance
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• 1207[13:42:29] <dob1> I don't know what csm
• 1208[13:42:31] <dob1> is
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• 1211[13:42:59] <ratrace> Kali_Yuga: maybe it is missing HW acceleration. which video is that? I tried a random 360 youtube vid, works okay with my (proprietary) nvidia setup
• 1212[13:43:15] <Aavar> GNU\colossus: Can I ask what kind of setup you are running? If you have a similar server that is...
• 1213[13:43:16] <GNU\colossus> ha! abrotman, Aavar - I was thinking of replaced-url
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• 1216[13:43:55] <GNU\colossus> Aavar, at home, I have a SSD RAID1 in my NAS, two external backup drives, and an off-site backup
• 1217[13:44:40] <GNU\colossus> but my storage requirements are pretty meager :)
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• 1219[13:45:07] <GNU\colossus> (the RAID1 is 2TB effective size, and the backup drives also house identical copies of stuff that I want to keep, but don't need to access frequently/atall)
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• 1221[13:45:19] <Aavar> Snapraid looks promising... I don't see any downsides, exept for maybe that I have to learn a new thing...
• 1222[13:47:09] <GNU\colossus> Aavar, replaced-url
• 1223[13:47:22] <ratrace> Aavar: I'd really recommend ZFS, or if you really have to btrfs. Instability aside, btrfs allows for easy growing of arrays with rebalance (something ZFS can't do easily, for example)
• 1224[13:47:50] <ratrace> Aavar: at that scale, if you value your data, you simply _need_ a data-checksummed, self-healing, solution.
• 1225[13:48:38] <rudi_s> In that case btrfs might not be the best choice. And zfs-on-linux also has quite some issues (at least when you look at mailing list and issue tracker).
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• 1227[13:49:13] <GNU\colossus> "_need_" is a strong word ;)
• 1228[13:49:54] <ratrace> rudi_s: even ext4 has issues. We use ZFS in money-making production (the kind of, if it died on us, we'd be in serious, serious pickle). Of course, 3-2-1 backups are a must but... what I'm trying to say, it is VERY stable.
• 1229[13:49:56] <GNU\colossus> my google-fu fails in answering why snapraid wasn't ever packaged for Debian; can anyone help me out?
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• 1231[13:50:04] <Aavar> I was enrighed with this conversation, but now I'm more confued thean ever;)
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• 1235[13:51:37] <rudi_s> ratrace: Sure it does. But at least the reports of lost data are less than for btrfs (especially in raid modes).
• 1236[13:51:47] <ratrace> much less :)
• 1237[13:52:02] <rudi_s> ;-)
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• 1239[13:52:23] <Aavar> I think all the new filesystems are scary because of my knowlege...
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• 1241[13:53:04] <Aavar> You can have all the safety in the world and still be wounerable because of missing knowlege.
• 1242[13:53:20] <ratrace> ZFS ain't that new though.
• 1243[13:53:28] <GNU\colossus> worth a critical look if you fancy ZFS: replaced-url
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• 1245[13:54:00] <Aavar> ratrace: new to me :D
• 1246[13:54:04] <ratrace> ah, k.
• 1247[13:54:43] <ratrace> GNU\colossus: all I see there is WAAAHRGARBLBLBLBLRMBLBUUUURP
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• 1249[13:55:10] <GNU\colossus> that's OK, I wasn't really trying to convince YOu to read it, anyway ;)
• 1250[13:55:34] <ratrace> Meanwhile, I see at least one (self-healed) checksum error in our ZFS setup, per year. I shudder to think about using non-data-checksumming fs ever again.
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• 1252[13:56:07] <ratrace> The truth is in the middle. ZFS aint' holy grail. But it definitely IS better for data health than non-data-checsumming filesystems.
• 1253[13:58:33] <Aavar> GNU\colossus: One of the advantages that I see with Raid1 (at least in linux) is that I can mount any of the two drives separately as a "normal" drive if the coputer fails or something. How does this work with raid5?
• 1254[13:59:22] <GNU\colossus> Aavar, not at all. you will need to bring the array online (degraded, so with exactly one drive missing, or "normally") before you can access its data.
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• 1256[14:00:22] <Aavar> GNU\colossus: ok. Does it matter witch drive fails? I mean is there a pairity drive, or is the pairity spread across the drives?
• 1257[14:01:19] <GNU\colossus> Aavar, doesn't matter which drive fails, no. parity is per-block, and interleaved between data blocks on all member devices, iirc.
• 1258[14:01:31] <GNU\colossus> (that's why RAID5 supports striped read and writes)
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• 1260[14:01:52] <GNU\colossus> (i.e., it gets faster for sequential workloads with more member devices involved)
• 1261[14:01:55] <openbsdtai123> why debian looks like ubuntu today? There were in the past a more Unix conception.
• 1262[14:03:05] <Aavar> Ok, Thank you all :) I think I will end up with two new drives and Raid5 or snapraid. I have some reading to do :)
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• 1264[14:03:44] <ratrace> Aavar: I recommend reading this, not specifically for ZFS, but concepts of RAID5/6 vs mirror: replaced-url
• 1265[14:03:59] <Aavar> ratrace: thank you :)
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• 1267[14:04:19] <ratrace> with mdadm the rebuild/scrub performance is FAR worse than ZFS so any performance problems listed there for ZFS are even greater for mdadm
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• 1273[14:10:03] <joepublic> I do not think "debian looks like ubuntu" so much as "gnome, which sucks, looks like gnome"
• 1274[14:10:18] <joepublic> my personal opinion only, feel free to disagree
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• 1276[14:12:12] <aaro> openbsdtai123: if you're concerned about the looks you can always download/install xfce or mate as your desktop
• 1277[14:12:14] <ratrace> flamebait, feeding trolls, etc....
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• 1287[14:16:58] <joepublic> Honestly not trolling, just genuinely confused by why anyone likes gnome.
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• 1289[14:17:13] <ratrace> joepublic: didn't mean you ;)
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• 1292[14:18:05] <joepublic> I do use xfce which is pretty unix-y
• 1293[14:18:15] <abrotman> xfce is so bloated
• 1294[14:18:44] <joepublic> I have 64GB RAM and about 10TB of disk space. What do I care :)
• 1295[14:18:47] <Aavar> joepublic: Why do you need to understand? Personally I still run Unity7 because I like it better... I don't care why and if anyone likes gnome or xfce...
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• 1300[14:19:45] <joepublic> I don't need to understand, live and let live, but I would at least like to see the position of those who like it. I could learn from that.
• 1301[14:20:12] <joepublic> there must be something to it if it's the default for multiple distributions, is my thought
• 1302[14:20:16] <abrotman> I like Gnome
• 1303[14:20:36] <joepublic> what do you like about it? learning opportunity for me here
• 1304[14:20:45] <Aavar> I wan't to like gnome, but there is allways some small detail that Just itn't right.
• 1305[14:20:48] <abrotman> But I've also used blackbox and enlightenment and gnustep over the years
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• 1308[14:21:27] <Aavar> abrotman: Weird, that is exactly the ones I have used over the years :P
• 1309[14:21:36] <abrotman> I should perhaps ask what you don't like .. Because mostly, it's a DE and WM like everything else
• 1310[14:21:42] <Aavar> (I mean used, not tested)
• 1311[14:23:02] <joepublic> I am short on specifics because it's been a few years since I tried it; I just remember coming away with the thought of "ugh."
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• 1314[14:23:15] <joepublic> fair question though.
• 1315[14:23:28] <joepublic> maybe I should install it and give it another whirl.
• 1316[14:23:31] <Aavar> joepublic: what are you using?
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• 1318[14:23:42] <joepublic> I am using xfce4.
• 1319[14:23:44] <abrotman> joepublic: and Gnome 3.0/3.2 were kind of rough .. if it's been a few years, try it again. And by try, I mean more than an initial reaction.
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• 1321[14:24:01] <joepublic> I understand the concept of try :) and I'll do that.
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• 1325[14:24:50] <Aavar> joepublic: if you find xfce4 bloated I don't think gnome4 is for you :D
• 1326[14:24:55] <Aavar> gnome3
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• 1328[14:24:59] <NetTerminalGene> guys, my isp wrote to me you can send us tracert report for blocked sites that i can't enter. is traceroute equivalent for tracert for gnu/linux?
• 1329[14:25:11] <joepublic> I don't find xfce bloated
• 1330[14:25:14] <abrotman> Aavar: I'd say based on his system resources, he won't have an issue with bloat ..
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• 1332[14:25:23] <abrotman> NetTerminalGene: yes
• 1333[14:25:32] <NetTerminalGene> abrotman, thanks
• 1334[14:25:38] <Aavar> abrotman: true ;)
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• 1337[14:26:26] <Aavar> Running a first gen i3 with 8GB is a different story :P
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• 1339[14:27:06] <joepublic> I have an old but relatively fast dual Xeon E5 V2 2x10 cores
• 1340[14:27:19] <abrotman> Aavar: I have 8GB, i5 .. Gnome is fine
• 1341[14:27:25] <joepublic> installing gnome now with tasksel
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• 1343[14:28:05] <aaro> 8 gb is a lot, i have only 3 gb lol
• 1344[14:28:08] <abrotman> it's different for everyone, we all have different usage patterns
• 1345[14:28:09] <joepublic> I start xfce with 'startxfce4' ... what's the equivalent for gnome?
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• 1347[14:28:31] <abrotman> joepublic: you mean you don't use a DM?
• 1348[14:28:42] <joepublic> I mean I don't use a dm.
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• 1350[14:28:58] <abrotman> you'll have to use startx and the .xsession
• 1351[14:29:10] <joepublic> okay.
• 1352[14:29:30] <abrotman> dpkg: starting gnome
• 1353[14:29:30] <dpkg> i heard starting gnome is echo exec /usr/bin/gnome-session > ~/.xsession
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• 1355[14:29:48] <joepublic> thanks to both of you abrotman and dpkg
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• 1357[14:30:04] <abrotman> assuming that's still valid (I use a DM)
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• 1366[14:33:04] <joepublic> well. tasksel appears hung on "preparing to configure fuse3 (amd64)". the joys of testing I guess.
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• 1371[14:38:28] <openbsdtai123> aaro: I was more concerned that there is little difference between debian or ubuntu distros. They have today gained the same linux philosophy, no longer unix.
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• 1395[14:48:02] <joepublic> Well. Now enjoying the bounty that is Gnome.
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• 1402[14:51:22] * abrotman smells sarcasm .. :)
• 1403[14:51:36] <joepublic> no, it's really up and running.
• 1404[14:51:45] <abrotman> I meant
• 1405[14:51:49] <abrotman> "enjoying"
• 1406[14:52:11] <joepublic> oh, well, yeah not fully enjoying it yet I guess. Where might I find a systray?
• 1407[14:52:28] <abrotman> the thing in the upper right? depends what you're trying to do
• 1408[14:52:41] <joepublic> I am running autokey-gtk but don't see it up there
• 1409[14:53:06] <joepublic> also ckb-next for my RGB keyboard, don't see that up there.
• 1410[14:53:45] <joepublic> ps confirms that they are running, but no systray icons
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• 1412[14:55:18] <abrotman> apparently something like replaced-url
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• 1414[14:55:48] <abrotman> though, maybe I should try it
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• 1416[14:56:12] <joepublic> going out for a bit, will try it when I get back.
• 1417[14:56:24] <joepublic> thanks, see you then
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• 1441[15:16:05] <ratrace> GNU\colossus: finally read that article. the author is wrong on many "facts" it presents, especially on "no useful figures on the prevalence of bit rot" which is patently false. There's gobs of useful figures.
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• 1459[15:29:48] <Barralastic> how to disable sound card power managemet, cuz she pops sound on boot?
• 1460[15:29:57] <Barralastic> debian 9
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• 1462[15:30:56] <Barralastic> intel 82801fb
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• 1465[15:31:52] <p8m> Sysfs? /sys/module/snd_hda_intel/parameters
• 1466[15:32:02] <ItsAlwaysDnS> SSHFS keeps disconnecting after a couple of hours.
• 1467[15:32:13] <ItsAlwaysDnS> I need it to be stable for my Nextcloud server.
• 1468[15:32:38] <p8m> there is probably a module arg you could add to modprobe.d
• 1469[15:32:53] <mzajc> Barralastic: You might want to remove the ^Gs from your GRUB configuration file if it makes sounds after loading GRUB.
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• 1471[15:33:15] <abrotman> ItsAlwaysDnS: it's probably timing out due to lack of activity?
• 1472[15:33:31] <Barralastic> mzajc: yes after grub
• 1473[15:34:14] <mzajc> Barralastic: does your /etc/default/grub contain ^G?
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• 1475[15:34:54] <mzajc> in other words, cat /etc/default/grub | grep "\^G"
• 1476[15:36:08] <Barralastic> mzajc: no isnt
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• 1479[15:36:59] <mzajc> wait, no, silly me
• 1480[15:37:02] <mzajc> it's elsewhere
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• 1485[15:40:40] <Barralastic> p8m /sys/module/snd_hda_intel/ no such parameter
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• 1489[15:44:21] <mzajc> Barralastic: what is the output of grep -r "\^G" /etc/grub.d/
• 1490[15:45:22] <Barralastic> mzajc: nothing
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• 1492[15:46:13] <mzajc> Barralastic: nothing as-in not even the binary file errors?
• 1493[15:46:41] <mzajc> the "Binary file /etc/grub.d/something_something matches"?
• 1494[15:47:29] <Barralastic> no, nothing at all
• 1495[15:48:19] <mzajc> that's kinda off
• 1496[15:48:53] <ItsAlwaysDnS> I can't seem to get apache over a VPN to work right: [Sat Feb 22 14:48:06.130373 2020] [proxy_http:error] [pid 4643] [client 104.238.59.202:4943] AH01114: HTTP: failed to make connection to backend: 10.8.0.2
• 1497[15:49:07] <ItsAlwaysDnS> Works with port 80, but not with 8080. I hate openvpn
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• 1500[15:50:44] <ItsAlwaysDnS> "curl: (7) Failed to connect to 0.0.0.0 port 8080: Connection refused
• 1501[15:50:44] <ItsAlwaysDnS> "
• 1502[15:50:49] <ItsAlwaysDnS> Oh, I forgot to allow the port in apache2
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• 1504[15:53:23] <ItsAlwaysDnS> Okay, all working. Sorry for wasting time, but oh, well...
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• 1508[15:57:55] <p8m> Barralastic: i set this in sysfs.conf: module/snd_hda_intel/parameters/power_save = 0
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• 1512[15:58:49] <p8m> If you don't have that sysfs entry you may have a diff driver?
• 1513[15:59:18] <Barralastic> p8m: i dont know...
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• 1516[16:01:17] <Barralastic> echo "options snd-hda-intel power_save=0 power_save_controller=n" > /etc/modprobe.d/snd-hda-intel.conf this dont work=(
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• 1542[16:22:21] <Lyberta> my webcam mic shows as disabled in pulseaudio, how to enable it?
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• 1553[16:28:27] <diogenes_> Lyberta, to click on tha little speaker icon?
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• 1560[16:30:24] <Lyberta> diogenes_, I don't see any button: replaced-url
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• 1565[16:31:56] <petn-randall> Lyberta: Does the "input" tab have it listed?
• 1566[16:31:56] <joepublic> abrotman, I seem to have inadvertently killed gnome by installing that shell extension, "A problem has occurred. Some unspecified problem occured. Maybe try again." I am paraphrasing, but not by much. No error to console.
• 1567[16:32:20] <Lyberta> petn-randall, no
• 1568[16:34:01] <diogenes_> Lyberta, that is not pavucontrol, look in pavucontrol.
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• 1570[16:35:05] <Lyberta> diogenes_, in pavucontrol it's the same, it shows in "Configuration" tab but not in "Input devices" tab
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• 1573[16:35:47] <ppsspp> is there a reason why there is no ppsspp on debian ?
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• 1575[16:36:39] <ppsspp> soo dissapointing
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• 1579[16:38:29] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Are VLANs actually supported by NetworkManager on Debian Stable?
• 1580[16:38:41] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Or does one need to manually set those up?
• 1581[16:39:20] <diogenes_> Lyberta, pastebin: arecord -l
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• 1586[16:41:17] <Lyberta> diogenes_, replaced-url
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• 1588[16:42:53] <diogenes_> Lyberta, whoch one of those is the one you need?
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• 1590[16:43:50] <Lyberta> diogenes_, Webcam [C922 Pro Stream Webcam]
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• 1596[16:47:20] <diogenes_> Lyberta, in /etc/pulse/default.pa after the line: .ifexists module-udev-detect.so add this one: load-module module-alsa-source device=hw:0,0 save and pulseaudio -k
• 1597[16:47:27] <diogenes_> and see if it appears there.
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• 1599[16:48:12] <diogenes_> also if that won't work, ask in #pulseaudio
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• 1606[16:52:53] <Lyberta> diogenes_, oh, just "pulseaudio -k" fixed it, I didn't even need to edit config files
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• 1608[16:53:38] <diogenes_> Lyberta, ok good.
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• 1624[17:04:47] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> FFS.
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• 1626[17:04:56] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> nvm. The issue is the router.
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• 1679[17:52:03] <abrotman> joepublic: interesting .. I have it installed, it seems fine. There are other options for a systray extension
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• 1681[17:52:13] <abrotman> joepublic: you can use the "gnome software center" to search for them
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• 1719[18:15:16] <dob1> file somefile Bourne-Again shell script, UTF-8 Unicode text executable , vim file I read the text, no problems. using ranger file manager on file preview I don't see accents...
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• 1723[18:20:14] <dob1> imho the problem is python3-chardet that uses the same library of uchardet, and uchardet file gives me WINDOWS-1250
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• 1725[18:21:32] <dob1> and ranger use python3-chardet do detect file encoding
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• 1775[19:02:12] <dob1> I am reading this about UEFI - EFI replaced-url
• 1776[19:02:22] <dob1> I don't understand this part : The EFI partition is required if you want to boot your system in UEFI mode. However, if you want UEFI-bootable Debian, you might need to reinstall Windows as well, since mixing the two boot methods is inconvenient at best.
• 1777[19:02:43] <dob1> if they can share the same efi partition why I need to reinstall windows?
• 1778[19:03:14] <dob1> it means if windows was installed with bootload in mbr?
• 1779[19:03:19] <dob1> *bootloader
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• 1806[19:12:36] <peaceguy> hello i have a problem when pc is starting is is very slow until it shows the grub menu and a bit after that, then it starts the system with normal speed and everything is right. what logs could i check to see what is causing this please help me thank you
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• 1811[19:14:22] <peaceguy> it hangs with a black screen and after grub menu it just hangs for some time maybe a few minutes
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• 1816[19:15:22] <peaceguy> i am in grub menu now and it was just there doing nothing and now it shows me advanced options so it took some time after i pressed a key to go and open them
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• 1818[19:15:52] <uber> hello friends
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• 1820[19:15:58] <peaceguy> hello
• 1821[19:16:19] <uber> how are you?
• 1822[19:16:31] <peaceguy> good
• 1823[19:16:51] <uber> nice))
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• 1825[19:17:00] <peaceguy> it lags after my commands so much
• 1826[19:17:57] <uber> you used linux?
• 1827[19:18:02] <peaceguy> yes
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• 1832[19:18:37] <uber> which distribution if not secret?
• 1833[19:18:43] <peaceguy> Debian
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• 1835[19:19:06] <uber> respect
• 1836[19:19:20] <peaceguy> thank you
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• 1838[19:19:58] <peaceguy> how are you?
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• 1840[19:20:21] <uber> the best ones kali, debian
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• 1842[19:21:58] <peaceguy> also this was after upgrade to linux 4.19
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• 1844[19:22:21] <peaceguy> and even with grub menu disabled it still hangs, so before it
• 1845[19:22:35] <uber> I have been using Linux for quite some time, but for the first time in Irс :))))
• 1846[19:22:45] <peaceguy> cool
• 1847[19:22:52] <peaceguy> what first time in irc?
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• 1850[19:23:32] <uber> I use
• 1851[19:23:40] <peaceguy> ok
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• 1860[19:30:37] <peaceguy> if i do reisub it still reacts to it after some minutes
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• 1865[19:35:06] <uber> write me when you please, peacegue
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• 1867[19:36:09] <peaceguy> thank you :)
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• 1974[20:52:58] <velix> During a discussion in #haproxy, I was told that TCP is way quicker than Unix socket on localhost. Up to now I thought, unix socket outperforms all others. UNIX sockets have better access control. Is this the reason, why databases, like PostgreSQL, still come with unix socket on Debian?
• 1975[20:52:59] <de-facto> Question: when using github tags with uscan like explained here: replaced-url
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• 1982[20:57:04] <no_gravity> Is there a way to fix "ls" so it sorts dotfiles first?
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• 1989[21:04:31] <BazookaTooth> no_gravity: don't think so but exa will do that by default
• 1990[21:05:05] <no_gravity> exa?
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• 1992[21:05:59] <BazookaTooth> it's an ls replacement
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• 1995[21:06:53] <no_gravity> Is it in the Debian repos?
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• 1999[21:09:50] <BazookaTooth> ,v exa
• 2000[21:09:51] <judd> Package: exa on amd64 -- buster: 0.8.0-2; sid: 0.9.0-2
• 2001[21:11:08] <no_gravity> I see. Maybe I will try it. Thanks.
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• 2042[21:45:05] <magnulu> I am looking for a way to set up unattended-upgrades with push notifications (instead of mail) - anyone got any information on this? google couldn't help me out much!
• 2043[21:45:52] <magnulu> I am using pushover, if it matters :)
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• 2116[22:26:49] <magnulu> maybe a better choise would be to replace the internal email sending with pushover notifications alltogheter.. this is a local headless home server
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• 2164[22:56:37] <Kali_Yuga> I tried a 360 video on youtube and it looks like this replaced-url
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• 2166[22:57:20] <annadane> Kali_Yuga, 1) are you on kali and 2) if not, is this firefox-esr, the one packaged in debian?
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• 2177[23:11:57] <Kali_Yuga> annadane: No 1) I had that name when Kali Linux was still named Backtrack and 2) yes it's the regular firefox-esr packaged in debian
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• 2180[23:13:56] <Kali_Yuga> annadane: So yes just regular debian...firefox 68.5.0esr
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• 2182[23:15:07] <EdePopede> i remember they have (or had, ist it a thing anymore?) different versions of 3D, maybe also for 360°
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• 2185[23:17:53] <Kali_Yuga> EdePopede: yes some people even have VR glasses
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• 2190[23:19:06] <EdePopede> not only, iirc they also have the version where you have to cross your eyes like with these books from the 90s
• 2191[23:19:56] <EdePopede> Kali_Yuga, do you have any 360° videos working as expected? you could use youtube-dl to find out about the formats the particular videos offer
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• 2199[23:32:03] <Kali_Yuga> EdePopede: No they all look the same
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• 2204[23:36:17] <EdePopede> Kali_Yuga, just tried replaced-url
• 2205[23:38:31] <EdePopede> there are 4 demuxed versions for all resolutions starting with HD, maybe trying one of these sets.
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• 2208[23:40:24] <Kali_Yuga> EdePopede: which means what? what do I need to do, something missing?
• 2209[23:40:57] <EdePopede> may be the method how 360 is implemented should be embedded in the video just like the aspect ratio (i've seen a lot of videos on yt with incorrect AR), no idea
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• 2211[23:41:52] <HE-MAN> hi all
• 2212[23:42:04] <EdePopede> Kali_Yuga: i stopped using yt's webinterface when they started spitting their new interface on us users. atm there's a cookie option still giving us the old one, but they're already announcing that it will be stopped soon
• 2213[23:42:22] <HE-MAN> could someone help me with this error this error watchdog: Watchdog detected hard LOCKUP on cpu 3
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• 2216[23:42:35] <EdePopede> Kali_Yuga: so mpv is my method to use it, in addition to youtube-dl which i have here for a couple of years
• 2217[23:42:53] <HE-MAN> and this ..MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC
• 2218[23:43:08] <HE-MAN> sounds like a driver issue but im not sure
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• 2220[23:43:27] <Kali_Yuga> EdePopede: idk mpv method can you elaborate on this?
• 2221[23:45:00] <HE-MAN> sorry a friend is willing to help; so thank you all
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• 2224[23:45:18] <EdePopede> Kali_Yuga: you know youtube-dl? with URLs mpv tries to use it (even with say plain .mp4 links, but then fails and uses the url directly), ytdl does all the dirty bits, at the end delivering the URL(s) of some mp4 or m3u8 or such. and mpv plays it nicely.
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• 2227[23:47:25] <EdePopede> Kali_Yuga: it's just that with ytdl (thus also with mpv) you can grad exactly the version of the video you want. like demux'd or not, mp4 or webm, resolution... maybe even the method of the 3D handling, but i don't have experience with them, so i can't say what formats are around
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• 2229[23:48:36] <shiv> current system of Mint on a USB to install on to another PC?
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• 2231[23:48:52] <shiv> How do I put the current system of Mint on a USB to install on to another PC?
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• 2233[23:49:08] <shiv> I want to keep all the apps and config
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• 2236[23:51:00] <mzajc> copy everything in / (save for /tmp) to your flash drive and then copy it to a partition of the other PC using a live booted system
• 2237[23:51:14] <mzajc> also make sure to install GRUB so that you'll be able to boot into it
• 2238[23:51:43] <mzajc> oh, and don't copy /dev either
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• 2240[23:51:51] <mzajc> or /proc or /sys
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• 2243[23:53:46] <Kali_Yuga> EdePopede: I drag the video url into mpv and it just quits...Failed to recognize file format. idk I'm doing it wrong probably
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• 2245[23:54:52] <EdePopede> do you have youtube-dl?
• 2246[23:55:20] <EdePopede> since i guess it is the url of the page and not of the video
• 2247[23:56:05] <Kali_Yuga> EdePopede: i did apt-get install mpv, youtube-dl came with it...
• 2248[23:57:11] <Kali_Yuga> EdePopede: The following NEW packages will be installed: mpv phantomjs python3-pyxattr rtmpdump youtube-dl
• 2249[23:57:58] <JackFrost> I'd skip phantomjs, it pulls in a lot for little purpose.
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• 2251[23:58:31] <JackFrost> #950358
• 2252[23:58:33] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2254[23:59:51] <annadane> i tend to let debian install stuff but i know some of their recommends are a bit... opinionated
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