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16[00:08:29] <JordiGH> tripkin: No, I just don't want to forget to update it during the next Debian release.
17[00:08:42] <JordiGH> Then again, it is Firefox. Almost more important than the OS itself. How could I forget?
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20[00:09:25] <tripkin> hehe That is why I run a script to take care of that
21[00:09:39] <tripkin> Sits in my home dir, so it is always available...
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23[00:10:19] <tripkin> You could also just firefox in your home directory and run it from there. That way, after a reinstall, it will be there and just work...
24[00:10:32] <pfred1> Package: firefox-esr State: not installed
25[00:10:42] <dTal> I use Firefox because it's the least bad option. But my trust in Mozilla is severely eroded.
26[00:11:18] <pfred1> firefox doesn't support my native sound driver so I don't use it either
27[00:11:28] <dTal> Their new browser Fenix (Firefox Preview for Android) is not free software.
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38[00:19:57] <Aebian> is there a way to completely remove the hsp profile and only use A2DP ?
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40[00:20:15] <Aebian> couldn't find anything about it on google
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42[00:23:21] <petn-randall> Aebian: That sounds a lot like a XY problem to me.
43[00:23:39] <JordiGH> dTal: This login bullshit is some bullshit.
44[00:23:54] <pfred1> I was loggin the other day
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47[00:24:10] <JordiGH> petn-randall: I like to just answer their Y; up to them to decide if the solution is stupid or not.
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52[00:28:40] <dTal> JordiGH: Shouldn't be surprised after the Pocket thing
53[00:29:02] <Aebian> well I want all my bluetooth devices that connect to use A2DP instead. All solutions I tried didn't fix the issue. So instead of forcing them onto A2DP my idea now was to just disavle HSP then
54[00:29:40] <Aebian> I'm in for options of you have a better solution
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56[00:29:46] <Aebian> *if
57[00:30:07] <JordiGH> Maybe there's a module you can rmmod
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59[00:30:17] <JordiGH> I have no idea.
60[00:30:33] <petn-randall> Aebian: On my devices I had to configure it on the device itself.
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62[00:31:45] <Aebian> I always need to go into audio settings and on my device switch from HSP to A2DP
63[00:32:11] <Aebian> it doesn't save it permanently
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68[00:32:33] <petn-randall> Aebian: Yes, I think the device decides what it connect with, not the node it connects to.
69[00:32:42] <petn-randall> *connects
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75[00:35:03] <Aebian> that still leads the question how I can force A2DP no matter what
76[00:36:34] <JordiGH> So if the node it connects to just says "nope", most devices will say, "well, I guess we are not connecting today"?
77[00:36:52] <JordiGH> The device won't say, "aw, can I interest you in some A2DP instead?"
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79[00:37:18] <Aebian> my idea was more like a symlink way, aka you want HSP? Naaaah please go to A2DP
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81[00:37:56] <JordiGH> HTTP 301
82[00:38:12] <Aebian> yeah haha
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88[00:41:47] <marmathe> hi
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90[00:42:04] <marmathe> my gpu fan loud .
91[00:42:08] <marmathe> is there a way to fix it ?
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93[00:42:53] <dTal> marmathe: unplug fan
94[00:43:03] <marmathe> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
95[00:43:11] <marmathe> iam losing my brain
96[00:43:21] <JordiGH> Unplug GPU.
97[00:43:30] <dTal> Unplug computer...
98[00:43:35] <JordiGH> Play fewer videogames?
99[00:43:39] <JordiGH> What is the GPU doing anyway?
100[00:44:02] <marmathe> i have gpu intel
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102[00:44:12] <dTal> lolwut
103[00:44:46] <marmathe> my fan making noise
104[00:44:51] <marmathe> do you have fix for that
105[00:44:55] <dTal> That's integrated in the CPU? It doesn't have a separate fan?
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107[00:45:23] <dTal> why do you think it's your GPU?
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109[00:45:25] <pfred1> oil it
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113[00:45:38] <Namarrgon> they are not using debian and just trolling
114[00:45:51] <marmathe> wtf
115[00:45:58] <Namarrgon> indeed
116[00:45:59] <marmathe> whats your fucking problem with me
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118[00:46:06] <dTal> Namarrgon: Poe's law
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120[00:46:32] <marmathe> Namarrgon ****
121[00:46:54] <dTal> marmathe: you asked a nonsensical question unrelated to Debian with bad grammar
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124[00:47:09] <marmathe> but debian is linux
125[00:47:12] <marmathe> and arch is linux
126[00:47:15] <marmathe> ?
127[00:47:16] <pfred1> dTal I'e had a fan noise issue on a PC that ran Debian
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129[00:47:18] <marmathe> and ubuntu is linux
130[00:47:21] <Betal> marmathe: if this is hardware issue, ask on ##hardware
131[00:47:28] <marmathe> how you fix it ?
132[00:47:31] <marmathe> not hardware
133[00:47:44] <marmathe> when i run another os works great
134[00:47:47] <Betal> gpu fan is software now?
135[00:47:52] <marmathe> nn
136[00:48:05] <marmathe> problem on operation system not hardware
137[00:48:06] <pfred1> marmathe then run another OS if it works better for you
138[00:48:17] <marmathe> but they not good
139[00:48:21] <dTal> marmathe: are you running Debian?
140[00:48:28] <marmathe> manajro
141[00:48:37] <marmathe> i thing problem on manjaro
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144[00:49:22] <marmathe> hi, debian have gui install ?
145[00:49:46] <dTal> marmathe: if your GPU is intel then you don't have a GPU fan
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147[00:50:04] <marmathe> su is there command to found problem dtal ?
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149[00:50:14] <dTal> 'top'
150[00:50:25] <marmathe> do you want screenshot ?
151[00:50:47] <dTal> sure why not?
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153[00:51:37] <marmathe> replaced-url
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158[00:52:54] <marmathe> dTal ?
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163[00:54:05] <dTal> your screenshot is really low res for me
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165[00:54:39] <marmathe> really ?
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171[00:55:08] <marmathe> 1600 low
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173[00:55:19] <dTal> ah there we go, probably a me problem
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175[00:55:27] <marmathe> not you
176[00:55:39] <dTal> you are running a little warm for such a small load
177[00:55:48] <marmathe> warm ??
178[00:55:51] <marmathe> small load ???
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181[00:56:40] <dTal> 67C, 1% load average
182[00:56:48] <marmathe> yes thats whats i mean
183[00:56:58] <marmathe> now it 70C
184[00:57:03] <thorie2> i installed the iotop package, but afterwards i get: iotop: command not found -- any ideas why?
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187[00:57:09] <marmathe> iam running only 2 konsole
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189[00:57:09] <dTal> although your taskbar says 24%, weirdly
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192[00:57:31] <marmathe> now this is my problem
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195[00:57:36] <marmathe> whats you thing dTal ???
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197[00:57:51] <marmathe> hardware or os or virus or ????
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201[00:58:16] <thorie2> nevermind, i needed to sudo to use iotop
202[00:58:17] <dTal> I'd love to know what a lot of those little icons next to some of those numbers mean
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207[00:58:50] <dTal> marmathe: no idea dude, maybe ask in #manjaro or whatever
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215[00:59:03] <marmathe> ok thanks
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221[00:59:29] <dTal> nice lookin desktop though
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268[01:00:12] <marmathe> thanks
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270[01:00:22] <marmathe> but one somthing thats make me back to windows
271[01:00:25] <marmathe> this 70C
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278[01:01:12] <pfred1> marmathe your load average is a tad high
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282[01:01:40] <marmathe> only tamp 70 C
283[01:01:47] <marmathe> cpu 10 %
284[01:01:50] <marmathe> ram 20 %
285[01:01:57] <marmathe> i dont knwo whats problem with fan
286[01:02:12] <pfred1> my highest core temp is +25.0°C
287[01:02:21] <marmathe> hhhhhhhh wow
288[01:02:26] <marmathe> whats your distro ?
289[01:02:31] <pfred1> Debian
290[01:02:39] <marmathe> debian have gui ?
291[01:02:43] <pfred1> PC not doing a whole lot ATM
292[01:02:46] <marmathe> install
293[01:02:52] <marmathe> iam running only konsole
294[01:02:59] <marmathe> and 73C
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317[01:21:31] <annadane> where can i find the list of all licenses that are DFSG compliant? there's replaced-url
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321[01:23:02] <qorg11> I think there isnt another list
322[01:23:30] <annadane> replaced-url
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325[01:23:36] <annadane> that, apparently
326[01:24:03] <qorg11> replaced-url
327[01:24:41] <annadane> yeah but that's just gnu with no reference to debian's guidelines
328[01:24:47] <JordiGH> Except for the GFDL, I guess.
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330[01:25:50] <themill> annadane: btw there can't be an exhaustive list of *all* licences that are dfsg compliant, just a list of common licences that people have looked through
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332[01:26:31] <sponix2ipfw> what does dfsg even stand for ?
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334[01:26:38] <AimHere> Debian Free Software Guidelines
335[01:27:17] <JordiGH> Man, I used to remember my days on debian-legal
336[01:27:32] <JordiGH> Being an internet fake lawyer used to be fun.
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338[01:27:46] <JordiGH> Ah, wasted youth.
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390[02:08:10] <terr__> test testing new USB 4 computer switch CDN$31 @ amazon
391[02:08:22] <annadane> !test
392[02:08:23] <dpkg> Test failed.
393[02:08:38] <sponix> USB 4 is a thing now ?
394[02:09:08] <terr__> my fingers don't go that fast. Its to switch a kb/mouse among 4 computers
395[02:09:20] <abrotman> did we just get spammed?
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397[02:10:52] <terr__> This seems to work! its well worth the CDN$31 -- and get this. Ordered yesterday afternoon - delivered this afternoon - like within 24 hours.
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401[02:13:35] <JackFrost> sponix: So it would seem, replaced-url
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567[04:31:31] <onnik> "Don't forget to mount all needed partitions (notably the root and /usr partitions) read-write" in the Debian upgrade guide. What is this trying to achieve?
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614[05:13:09] <randompleb> So, is radare2 coming back? I saw that it has some severe vulnerablities. Did other distros remove radare2 too as well?
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745[07:45:56] <melpy> is this true themill
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759[07:54:22] <melpy> what usermode do I set to stop being spammed by this idiot
760[07:54:40] <tarzeau> melpy: reported to #oftc
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762[07:54:52] <melpy> ohps wrong server
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770[08:05:02] <rwp> melpy, What you were looking for those was /mode yourusernick +R
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786[08:15:01] <apollo13_fallbac> hello there, apparently I got banned from #debian / #debian-offtopic. Could anyone be so kind and tell me why?
787[08:15:28] <apollo13_fallbac> or whom to contact to get some information. From what I can gather this happened after a netsplit yesterday
788[08:16:16] <rwp> If you are in #debian then you can't be banned from it. Or you would not have voice here.
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792[08:16:52] <apollo13_fallbac> @rwp I connected via webirc and an unauthenticated user to ask
793[08:17:32] <rwp> So you are using a different nick now to avoid the block. Gotcha.
794[08:17:41] <jsync> Is there a means of inhibiting apt recursive requirements of package installs?
795[08:17:43] <jm_> so which ban would match you then?
796[08:17:45] <rwp> However I have no idea about yesterday.
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798[08:18:06] <jm_> jsync: for what purpose?
799[08:18:08] <apollo13_fallbac> rwp to ask what happened… jm_no sure, I guess on the cloak, can I view the banlist?
800[08:18:23] <rwp> jsync, If you are asking if there is a way to avoid dependencies, not really. You can force it. But that isn't really a solution.
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802[08:18:36] <jm_> apollo13_fallbac: sure you canm /mode #debian b
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804[08:19:38] <rwp> jsync, What is it that you are trying to do?
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806[08:19:58] <jsync> If I want to install library files & the dependencies actually have dependencies & those actually have dependencies, though I only need to apt-get install lib-files-dev, I just need the dependencies of lib-files-dev, not recursive dependencies, not actually.
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810[08:20:50] <rwp> jsync, Sorry but that did not parse.
811[08:21:32] <jsync> The repository listings really are sloppy citations. There are often install conflicts for a number of different required library files.
812[08:21:48] <rwp> Example?
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815[08:22:59] <jsync> Example: I'm working on a program & I need lib files, & they have dependencies, & those dependencies actually have dependencies, etc.
816[08:23:40] <apollo13_fallbac> jm_ aha, so I got banned due to a rather large ban on an ipv6 namespace :/
817[08:24:19] <jm_> apollo13_fallbac: 2a03:b0c0 one?
818[08:24:24] <rwp> Shared libs can have dependencies on other libs. That is why the package including them declare the dependency on other packages. Therefore you need those if you don't have them.
819[08:25:04] <jsync> rwp, bull. They're sloppy citations.
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821[08:25:11] <rwp> Example?
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825[08:26:26] <jsync> Aptitude has recursive dependency requirements!! What do you mean, "Example"?! Any package.
826[08:26:46] <jsync> Any library package is an example.
827[08:27:38] <apollo13_fallbac> jm_ yeah that one, interestingly enough this is indeed my ipv6 network
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829[08:27:47] <rwp> Okay. zlib1g-dev. "Depends: zlib1g (= 1:1.2.8.dfsg-5), libc6-dev | libc-dev" what's the problem with it?
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834[08:28:12] <apollo13_fallbac> jm_ but it is a single server with a few trusted users, gotta see if I can find something in the znc logs
835[08:28:40] <jsync> Aptitude should work like this: apt-get install --non-recursive lib-xrender-dev, & 5 packages get installed, & the dependencies get categorized "sub".
836[08:29:00] <rwp> ,v lib-xrender-dev
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838[08:29:01] <judd> No package named 'lib-xrender-dev' was found in amd64.
839[08:29:01] <apollo13_fallbac> jm_ yeah unlucky me 2a03:b0c0:3:e0::11b:d001 got banned which is probably a different server on DO and my address is 2a03:b0c0:3:e0::5a:6001
840[08:29:12] <rwp> There is no package lib-xrender-dev in the repository.
841[08:29:13] <apollo13_fallbac> DO == digital ocean
842[08:29:17] <jsync> 4 dependency packages for libxrender-dev.
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845[08:29:59] <rwp> lib-xrender-dev has "Depends: libxrender1 (= 1:0.9.10-1), libx11-dev (>= 2:1.0.0), x11proto-render-dev, x11proto-core-dev" so what is wrong with it?
846[08:30:03] <terr__> Well - next step for me. Get kernels installed. debootstrap did not put ANYTHING in /boot. Be nice if the docs said so. How do we update the damn docs? Its been a problem for 20 years.
847[08:30:08] <jsync> 29 total packages, 24 dependent packages of 4 dependency packages of libxrender-dev.
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849[08:30:52] <apollo13_fallbac> jm_ digital ocean droplets get a /124 subnet, and the whole /64 got blocked, any idea on whom to talk to?
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852[08:31:47] <rwp> Hmm... My DO droplets get an IPv6 /64 subnet.
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854[08:31:58] <jsync> What's wrong? libxrender1, & other 3 have 24 depends packages themselves, & I SAID apt-get install libxrender-dev, not libxrender1, not actually.
855[08:32:21] <apollo13_fallbac> rwp sure about that? I checked via "ip -6 a s" and it is indeed a /64 but the control panel says something else
856[08:32:39] <rwp> I'll check my control panel...
857[08:32:46] <jsync> Install conflicts.
858[08:33:18] <jm_> apollo13_fallbac: yeah talk to jelly when they are active
859[08:33:27] <rwp> jsync, If I understand you correctly you are not happy that a library is depending upon other libraries. Okay. Not sure what anyone can do about it. Other than building from source without those dependencies.
860[08:33:33] <jsync> I need all sorts of different lib-package-dev & there are install conflicts.
861[08:33:34] <apollo13_fallbac> jm_ thank you
862[08:33:48] <apollo13_fallbac> rwp replaced-url
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866[08:35:35] <jsync> rwp, they're sloppy dependency citations. Debian didn't package various of those libraries, & aptitude has recursive dependency requirements, & so I am forced to build custom library packages. :-(
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868[08:36:34] <jm_> jsync: you are making no sense
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870[08:37:08] <terr__> has anyone here actually built a kernel? I presume (of course) yes. Do the docs actually tell you to use mkinitrd?
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872[08:37:40] <jsync> jm_, pfft.
873[08:37:45] <jm_> terr__: if I build a custom kernel, it's one that does not require initrd image, but not, for debian use update-initramfs tool
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877[08:39:06] <rwp> apollo13_fallbac, Maybe this is a recent change? The droplets I looked into have been around for a while. All have a /64 configured in the default networking configuration.
878[08:39:18] <terr__> jm_, not my point at all. I am asking about the docs. DO the docs tell us we _may_ need to use mkinitrd?
879[08:39:20] <rwp> I should spin up a test droplet and see what happens now.
880[08:39:33] <terr__> jm_, I am only talking about the docs
881[08:39:38] <jsync> Aptitude package manager wants me to install the world with each dev library I need for a program, & halfway through the list there are install conflicts.
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883[08:40:04] <apollo13_fallbac> rwp interesting, please let me know the results of that, it very much seems like a new change yes
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886[08:40:44] <rwp> jsync, I am going to guess that you have more than the standard Debian repositories in your sources.list then. Because there won't be any conflicts if using a consistent repository.
887[08:40:53] <jm_> terr__: which docs?
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890[08:42:01] <rwp> Interesting that the default Debian version offerred is Stretch 9 instead of Buster 10...
891[08:42:15] <jm_> terr__: just to make it clear, I don't follow any docs when building custom kernels
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893[08:43:11] <terr__> jm_, I ran into this specific one about 20 years ago and posted in Sourceforge. okay - rebuilt kernel. DIdn't know one needs to use mkinitrd. Error message. NOTHING. into a VACUUM. So I posted this and since I do not maintain docs I can't update the manuals. 2 years later - nothing. I wonder if this has ever been done.
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896[08:43:39] <jsync> How did the gnome cross the road?
897[08:43:46] <jm_> terr__: I lost you somewhere after "about 20 years ago" :)
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901[08:44:34] <sauvin> apollo13_fallbac, at some point during regular business hours (in New York City, USA), you may want to drop into #debian-ops to discuss the matter.
902[08:44:41] <terr__> well - likely I would because its been a few years. but I _know_ about that land mine. So does my consultant at the University at the tiome because we BOTH lost over a week on this and we BOTH found the problem and fixed it - But the University linux systems were down for a week and so were my web servers
903[08:44:46] <jsync> Debian issued a new release with each change while developers were required to build custom systems for each of their softwares.
904[08:45:05] <apollo13_fallbac> sauvin: thank you
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909[08:45:41] <terr__> if you have device drivers that live in initrd - and I see it is still part of the boot - then you need to MATCH the versions. Docs don't say this. Messages don't say this.
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911[08:46:08] <rwp> apollo13_fallbac, replaced-url
912[08:46:14] <jsync> What's new in Debian Stretch? New gcc, python, & various others that make you rework your own programs.
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914[08:46:25] <jm_> that's why each kernel version has its own initrd image (note the version in filename)
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917[08:46:43] <terr__> jm_, I have debootstrap done. nothing in /boot. Well I figure I can likely get it done... and its not in the docs.
918[08:46:54] <apollo13_fallbac> rwp that one is basically without ipv6, you don't have a global address there
919[08:46:54] <themill> jsync: we went through this the other day. You need to pastebin real commands and real output if you want help
920[08:46:56] <apollo13_fallbac> just link local
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922[08:47:09] <jsync> The punks turn up their noses: "Wow. That's so 5 years ago."
923[08:47:15] <rwp> Oops! I forgot to check the box!
924[08:47:25] <terr__> jm_, yep... and if one uses a stock kernel fine... but if one builds their own they may not know this minor point.
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926[08:47:55] <terr__> jm_, I am only saying - we need to do a better job with the docs. Maybe I'll take on part of the load.
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930[08:48:59] <apollo13_fallbac> rwp also they do indeed give you a /64 subnet mask, but the control panel will show you less usable addresses, I guess firewalling…
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933[08:50:27] <rwp> Hmm...
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935[08:52:07] <rwp> apollo13_fallbac, Interesting. I haven't needed a /64 but now you have me curious. And given me something I will want to dig into to understand. Thanks!
936[08:52:48] <apollo13_fallbac> rwp: glad that even my bans are useful :)
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941[08:54:03] <rwp> Digital Ocean was on my original list of hosts that had problems with IPv6 when they first enabled it. Various problems.
942[08:54:31] <rwp> Linode always had perfect handling of IPv6 however. So if IPv6 is of immediate importance than Linode would be a better host for it.
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944[08:54:57] <rwp> This may be yet another issue with DO hosts and IPv6. :-(
945[08:55:08] <radkos> how can I add additional addresses (static) in /etc/networking but still receive the default gateway from dhcp?
946[08:55:37] <radkos> something like adding ip a a x.x.x.x/24 on dev eth0 after the interface is up?
947[08:55:55] <jm_> radkos: post-up command?
948[08:56:24] <radkos> yes
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952[08:56:57] <jm_> well that is my suggestion, use «post-up command» (up is the same thing) in interfaces file
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955[08:58:34] <rwp> radkos, Something like "up ip addr add 192.168.1.123/24 dev eth0" adjusting for address and device and all of that.
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957[08:59:17] <rwp> Probably want a "down ip addr del 192.168.1.123/24 dev eth0" matching entry with it as well.
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960[08:59:48] <rwp> Of course if you are using NetworkMangler or WICD or conman or whatever then that would not be using /etc/network/interfaces and it would need a different configuration.
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962[09:00:24] <annadane> is networkwangler a real thing or a play-on-words of networkmanager?
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964[09:00:45] <rwp> Just a reminder that there should only ever be one default gateway. I keep running into people who are trying to set multiple default routes. Don't do it.
965[09:01:08] <rwp> annadane, Network Manager has only ever been a mangler for me. Screwed me over too many times.
966[09:01:30] <annadane> oh, it's an M
967[09:01:36] <annadane> i misread it as W
968[09:01:40] <rwp> It will often take an upgrade, drop the network, then forget to bring the network back online again. Leaving the machine inaccessible and requiring either a remote reboot or a drive to the datacenter to get on the console.
969[09:01:59] <annadane> it's 3 AM, sorry
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974[09:03:47] <annadane> cathedral vs bazaar etc
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977[09:04:42] <terr__> rwp, what do you need to do at the data center? specifically - like press a button?
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1006[09:15:16] <rwp> terr__, Usually get on the console, figure out that the machine is okay but networking was simply stopped, and then enable the network again.
1007[09:15:55] <rwp> VMs that are remotely administratable are nice. Bare metal with an iLO or an iDRAC so that there is a full remote console are nice.
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1012[09:16:17] <rwp> But all of the world is not always so nice. A lot of bare metal exists without any remote console capability.
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1022[09:20:49] <terr__> rwp, okay - you need a remote keyboard.
1023[09:21:01] <rwp> And a way to see the output! :-)
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1028[09:23:16] <terr__> well - display and keyboard and mouse all interface over USB - KB & Mouse are not particularly fast... and as I recall a 1200 BAUD modem is still faster than my fingers. BUT. that old shit slow modem fan still handle a Glass TTY and we do have this over ethernet because that is how I will need to talk with an Arduino.
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1030[09:23:59] <rwp> For this type of stuff no mouse is needed. So we don't need to worry about that at all.
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1032[09:24:27] <terr__> rwp, seems - we might have a way. You need a separate secure link to an interface which in fact does not need to (but can) support SVGA over USB. and that should not be all that hard to do.
1033[09:25:18] <terr__> I have an R PI here. but i have not yet gotten down to programming it. I basically want the same thing. Here is why I want it.
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1035[09:25:43] <rwp> Best is to have expensive but very nice hardware with an iLO like this: replaced-url
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1037[09:26:29] <rwp> For an RPi you really just need several. Use one as a serial port handler for the serial console on the others.
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1039[09:27:00] <terr__> rwp, I am building a CNC shop... woodworking for now - saws routers and so forth... and this is why I have tghe Rasperry pi and Arduinos... I want to eliminate ALL cables and I have WiFi. Well - WiFi is an ethernet interface and if I can get all my stuff running over WiFi then its one small step to do it remotely
1040[09:27:01] <rwp> For a system console a serial port console is more than sufficient. Can do anything you need to have done. And a spare RPi can easily be a serial port server for many others behind it.
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1042[09:27:41] <terr__> rwp, ya.
1043[09:27:49] <terr__> Its like $100 bux
1044[09:27:57] <rwp> terr__, If you use just normal ifupdown networking with wpa_supplicant then WiFi will be just fine for you. No problem. It's robust and reliable.
1045[09:28:39] <terr__> rwp - no - I need to push Gcode from the RPI into the Arduinos and they run the steppers and servos
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1048[09:29:19] <terr__> I also want closed loop so I need to read positions and this is asynchronous
1049[09:29:29] <rwp> How does the RPi talk to the Arduino?
1050[09:30:00] <terr__> current - via a USB cable - which runs RS232 at 115 baud over USB
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1053[09:30:23] <terr__> might be 64KB
1054[09:30:38] <rwp> So it is a serial port interface between then. Gotcha.
1055[09:30:52] <terr__> you could even put in a modem.
1056[09:31:06] <rwp> Then you would normally connect over WiFi to the RPi and the RPi would be using the serial interface to the Arduino. That seems robust and reliable to me.
1057[09:31:17] <terr__> ya - that is all an Arduino can do. The USB provides power as well.
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1059[09:32:01] <terr__> rwp - ya - that is how it likely will be. BUT - I'll have several machines and I really want the USB to be wireless.
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1061[09:32:52] <rwp> Hmm... I would sandwich the arduino controller with an RPi in one box then. Wire between them. And allow the RPi to be the wireless WiFi connectivity.
1062[09:32:52] <terr__> each Pi is a controller... I haven't worked this out yet but that is where I start. and operate the RPI's over WiFi
1063[09:33:14] <terr__> heh - we say the same thing.
1064[09:33:17] <rwp> I am not aware of a "wireless serial port" yet.
1065[09:33:25] <terr__> Modem!
1066[09:33:28] <terr__> ha!
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1068[09:34:05] <rwp> When you say modem I am thinking modulator-demodulator to something like a phone line. With wires. Is that what you are thinking too?
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1070[09:34:45] <terr__> For $5 bux per month you can have land line style phone serve and a free phone number from Fongo. Can that be used to set up a remote terminal using a Modem style interface?
1071[09:34:53] <terr__> yep
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1073[09:35:20] <jm_> using a serial interface yes
1074[09:35:51] <terr__> My clients paid me over $100,000 a year in the good old days and we ran over modems... and used the slowest prtotcol (kermit) that we could find! Reliable - it worked!
1075[09:35:55] <terr__> cheap now.
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1078[09:36:48] <rwp> I am perfectly fine with using a modem. I have worked many hours using them. But it sounds in conflict to your requirement for it to be wireless...
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1080[09:37:32] <terr__> rwp - it is for me - I was thinking - how do YOU set up a separate back door to the data center so you don't have to drive over to reset something.
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1083[09:37:50] <rwp> Nicely? Or DIY hack?
1084[09:38:09] <terr__> Hack works for me. I can't afford Nice any more.
1085[09:38:33] <rwp> Let me assume a DIY hack. Use the serial port console capability of rack servers. Criss cross the serial port consoles of two servers. Then use one to access the other.
1086[09:38:46] <terr__> besides - in the CNC world I see NICE at a high PRICE and its a parallel port interface!
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1088[09:39:30] <terr__> ya - sounds like a place to start
1089[09:39:57] <terr__> you can also just SSH into an RPI
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1092[09:40:47] <terr__> the RPi can sit outside the firewall. it can filter and only accept packets from your IP (mine are static)
1093[09:41:35] <terr__> RPi can send the serial signals - you only need pins 2 and 3 and of course 7
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1095[09:42:19] <rwp> The RPi console is only a three pin interface and does not have hardware flow control. Which isn't great but works.
1096[09:42:26] <terr__> basically this is what I will be doing to control the Arduinos.
1097[09:42:38] <terr__> and I have not even opened the boxen
1098[09:42:40] <rwp> But for outbound from the pi you can use a USB serial adapter and it will have full hardware flow control capability.
1099[09:42:54] <terr__> there we go.
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1102[09:43:42] <terr__> you can get HW flow control off the pi - just need (I recall) 2 more pins.
1103[09:44:25] <terr__> I would just use the adapter. Mind you I have about 1000 feet of Beldon cable here.
1104[09:44:34] <terr__> It must be good for something.
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1108[09:46:07] <terr__> you just need a pass through.. a program in the RPi that you run that talks serial... and that should be pretty easy if you SSH into the RPi
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1110[09:46:53] <rwp> I recommend 'picocom' as that is simple and works well.
1111[09:47:09] <terr__> This is how ALL the networking was done 20 years ago.
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1115[09:47:48] <terr__> so you actually have everything you need for a remote consol...
1116[09:48:44] <rwp> Not quite. You can't just go plugging in an RPi into a datacenter network without some prep work. Like arranging for networking for the RPi.
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1118[09:49:04] <rwp> And the RPi would fall into the category of an IoT device. Remember that the 's' in iot stands for security.
1119[09:49:07] <terr__> For me - once I get the RPi's talking to the Arduinos - and currently I have a laptop doing this... then the next step is I get a tablet and use the WiFi from the tablet to control a flock of RPi's
1120[09:49:24] <rwp> Which is to say that the RPi needs to be managed as a first class citizen on the net or it will itself be a security problem.
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1123[09:49:41] <terr__> exactly - I ran a data center in the 1980s
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1125[09:50:19] <rwp> What mainframes were you managing then?
1126[09:50:33] <tarzeau> SGI?
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1130[09:50:59] <terr__> mini - HP3000
1131[09:51:22] <rwp> In about 1981 I remember it was a big deal when our campus Honeywell got a core upgrade from 256KB of core to 512KB of core.
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1134[09:51:57] <isuki> Hi all
1135[09:51:58] <terr__> Company didn't survive. I looked to buy it. I couldn't put the money together fast enough. And you will not BELIEVE how it was financed.
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1137[09:52:26] <rwp> Welcome isuki!
1138[09:52:55] <tarzeau> terr__: how? was that running HP-UX?
1139[09:53:13] <terr__> In 1986 I was offered a heavy duty HP3000 with as much RAM as it could handle - and at a price below what I paid for my first PC
1140[09:53:21] <terr__> MPE
1141[09:53:39] <terr__> HP-UX was on the 1000.
1142[09:53:46] <rwp> The HP3000 was before HP-UX and was mostly a business system.
1143[09:54:07] <tarzeau> wow something like that? replaced-url
1144[09:54:09] <isuki> I'm trying to config an LTE 4G device (smo8800 kernel module)
1145[09:54:13] <terr__> Guess what. Transact was developed on our system
1146[09:54:17] <tarzeau> looks like a huge audio cassette to me
1147[09:54:27] <rwp> Yes! That's one.
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1149[09:54:37] <terr__> rwp - apparently its still running!
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1152[09:55:09] <rwp> Sure. Those are bulletproof. Probably last forever. Can't imagine how many watts it consumes.
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1154[09:55:21] <terr__> I could have heated my house!
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1156[09:55:29] <tarzeau> noisy?
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1160[09:55:39] <terr__> not really
1161[09:55:46] <rwp> Moderately. Not as bad as today's 1U rack servers.
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1163[09:56:14] <terr__> I can do better than a 1U rack. Try 3000 cores in a commercial freezer
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1165[09:56:20] <rwp> I never worked on the 3000 but I did spend a lot of time on the HP series 500. The Focus cpu. World's first 32-bit cpu.
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1167[09:56:30] <isuki> When run 'mmcli -e -m 0' command to enable 4G device, it replies: couldn't enable the modem: 'GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.libmbim.Error.Status.Failure
1168[09:56:33] <rwp> Correction. First 32-bit microprocessor.
1169[09:56:40] <tarzeau> i've had a small hp-parisc machine where i had run debian, but it was slow
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1172[09:57:30] <terr__> the 3000 was originally designed for 32 bit - then the fools changed it to a 16 but address space. But it was a really nice computer and innovative and it had interprocess communication
1173[09:57:50] <rwp> isuki, I wish I could help you. But I know almost nothing about 4G modems like that. But if you pastebin the exchange perhaps someone will see something to help you. Try paste.debian.net
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1176[09:58:45] <isuki> rwp: ok, I gonna explain it follofing your suggestion :)
1177[09:58:49] <terr__> I'm goignto have to get to work. Time to install a kernel. debootstrap looks like it worked well.
1178[09:59:01] <terr__> bbl
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1180[10:00:07] <rwp> isuki, Also if no one here in the channel now knows then you should try back periodically when different people are here and ask again.
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1182[10:00:42] <rwp> isuki, Also this is on Freenode and the official channel is on OFTC so you might also try there if no one here knows your modem.
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1189[10:03:28] <isuki> Okey, thanks rwp
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1191[10:05:22] <isuki> Is somebody on this channel who knowns about LTE 4G?
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1195[10:05:36] <isuki> I put some lines in paste.debian.net
1196[10:05:38] <isuki> replaced-url
1197[10:05:43] <isuki> replaced-url
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1199[10:05:46] <isuki> replaced-url
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1224[10:20:47] <fuchstronaut> I have some experience setting up servers with Debian 9, now I am wondering if I need to be prepared for some major difficulties should I start using Debian 10 instead of 9
1225[10:21:24] <jm_> read release notes to learn about major changes
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1232[10:26:33] <dff> i just updated from from buster to bullseye and ran into this error when i tried to launch an application that worked fine in buster
1233[10:26:44] <dff> replaced-url
1234[10:27:05] <jm_> dff: head to #debian-next on oftc for testing support
1235[10:27:20] <dff> jm_: okey thanks
1236[10:28:42] <jm_> dff: is that armory package?
1237[10:28:50] <themill> no
1238[10:28:57] <jm_> ahh no, /usr/loca
1239[10:29:22] <themill> and there's no Qt4 in bullseye
1240[10:29:49] <jm_> yeah error message says that
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1246[10:30:11] <apollo13> last updated 2015, people really use that?
1247[10:30:14] <apollo13> (replaced-url
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1249[10:30:39] <dff> apollo13: that's the wrong fork
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1252[10:31:25] <apollo13> dff: maybe, but qt4 is eol since ages
1253[10:31:38] <dff> RIP then
1254[10:31:51] <dff> guess ill use another wallet
1255[10:32:08] <apollo13> even replaced-url
1256[10:32:17] <apollo13> yeah that would be the better choice
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1258[10:32:34] <dff> well it worked fine up to buster so i ve never had a reason to switch
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1260[10:32:59] <dff> any suggestions
1261[10:33:08] <apollo13> strictly speaking with all the bugs in bitcoin wallets "worked fine" isn't something that would be good enough for me
1262[10:33:16] <apollo13> I'd want something maintained from a security pov
1263[10:33:25] <apollo13> unless you don't care about your money :)
1264[10:33:27] <dff> perhaps we dont have the same use case
1265[10:33:38] <apollo13> probably, I do not use bit coins
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1342[11:28:39] <isuki> Gotta go! Thanks and Bye!
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1347[11:29:44] <tinyhippo> 3C/17
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1349[11:30:41] <nevivurn> W
1350[11:30:50] <nevivurn> whoops
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1408[12:12:26] <nolash> for making an rpm how do I include in the build spec a signature for a source file??
1409[12:12:57] <jm_> perhaps try asking in some redhat related channel
1410[12:13:07] <Haohmaru> rpm?
1411[12:13:49] <nolash> å
1412[12:14:16] <nolash> jm_ ok
1413[12:14:19] <nolash> thanks
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1519[13:22:23] <nils_> hi, my system is missing devices in /dev/md/, I'm not sure why or how to get them back. The regular devices exist, and the devices show up after reboot (which unfortunately doesn't help me)
1520[13:23:59] <jm_> what should end up in /dev/md? I never used MD in debian
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1532[13:29:15] <nils_> jm_, if I give the devices a name it should be available as a device node in /dev/md/
1533[13:29:17] <jelly> jm_: basically same devices with different names, /dev/md0 = /dev/md/0 etc
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1535[13:29:34] <jelly> ooh, names appear there as well?
1536[13:29:41] <nils_> yes.
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1538[13:30:10] <nils_> well, let's say usually because in this case it doesn't happen
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1542[13:34:19] <nils_> this naming schema of md127, md126, md125 somewhat irks me and I'm not sure if it stays the same between reboots.
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1545[13:35:29] <jelly> I think those appear only if mdadm thinks the devices are foreign or they're absent from mdadm.conf
1546[13:35:29] <colo-work> nils_, what are you using these names for in the first place?
1547[13:36:02] <nils_> colo-work, in this case I'm installing a new server and I'm creating LVM persistent volumes on them.
1548[13:36:15] <colo-work> nils_, so Physical Volumes for LVM2?
1549[13:36:27] <colo-work> then you won't need persistent md names or anything like that anyway
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1551[13:36:48] <colo-work> they'll get activated as long as the md compound devices get activated/started
1552[13:37:10] <nils_> colo-work, yeah it's more of a convenience thing, I don't have to guess which number is assigned.
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1558[13:39:14] <nils_> It's more out of curiosity, these devices used to be created when I last set up new systems, now they aren't anymore. I'm using a rescue environment provided by my hoster.
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1562[13:40:12] <colo-work> nils_, iirc, md superblocks record the hostname of the environment that created the array, and if the assembling environment's hostname differs, you'll get a device number counting down from 127
1563[13:40:40] <colo-work> to create a named device node from the name embedded in the superblock, you'll probably have to have proper initramfs/udev support for that
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1565[13:40:48] <colo-work> but I never investigated that
1566[13:40:57] <colo-work> maybe it's also mdadm.conf in your initrd that you have to get right
1567[13:41:04] <colo-work> (that's a good thing to ensure at any rate)
1568[13:41:24] <nils_> these are freshly created devices.
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1570[13:41:40] <Psil0Cybin1> hey can someone help me find a guide to create a wifi hotspot from another wifi hotspot
1571[13:41:43] <jelly> nils_: the rescue env. itself might be missing functionality. Does your /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf have entries for these ARRAYs?
1572[13:41:47] <Psil0Cybin1> if i have two wireless cards
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1574[13:42:15] <Psil0Cybin1> i keep finding guides but nothing actually gives me a network conenction
1575[13:42:19] <nils_> jelly, it does after rebooting.
1576[13:42:23] <jelly> nils_: if not, add them, recreate initramfs, and see if that helps
1577[13:42:27] <Psil0Cybin1> i get to the pooint of creating the hotspot, i connect to the hotspot and it has no internet :(
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1580[13:43:06] <nils_> jelly, I can't change the initramfs for the rescue env, and it works after rebooting. The device nodes are not available after running mdadm --create. This used to work.
1581[13:43:30] <jelly> nils_: I mean for the real system.
1582[13:43:58] <jelly> if it's only the rescue env. you have issues with, you'll probably have to live with that
1583[13:44:22] <jelly> nils_: is the rescue env. also Debian?
1584[13:44:43] <nils_> jelly, the rescue env is Debian, the env I'm installing is Ubuntu. I've got another issue there I have to fix that is probably unrelated.
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1588[13:45:48] <jelly> nils_: then there's not much to do. You can try copying mdadm.conf from the real system, stopping all arrays and starting them again.
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1590[13:46:32] <nils_> jelly, the real system doesn't interest me at the moment, I don't think it's going to be an issue since the devices will be detected automatically (this also happens when I reboot into the rescue env)
1591[13:47:14] <nils_> I'm really just wondering why the device nodes disappeared and how to get them back, I can then adjust my ansible role.
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1611[13:54:13] <nils_> I will give this a test with a Debian system under my control, perhaps it's a bug in the rescue image.
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1613[13:55:48] <jelly> <jelly> nils_: then there's not much to do. You can try copying mdadm.conf from the real system, stopping all arrays and starting them again. # this _WAS_ a suggestion on how to get device nodes back
1614[13:56:39] <colo-work> mdadm --detail --scan
1615[13:56:58] <colo-work> should provide a skeleton mdadm.conf section that you can adapt to your needs
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1618[14:00:58] <nils_> thank you for your help, I will give this a try.
1619[14:01:57] <nils_> I may have been unclear about one thing: I completely wipe the disks after rebooting into the rescue system and create new devices.
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1621[14:06:56] <nils_> this only affects newly created arrays, not arrays that exist at system boot
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1631[14:12:25] <jelly> I suspect some systemd/udev automation brings up md127 automatically even thought it probably should not
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1633[14:13:27] <Psil0Cybin> hey can someone help me find a guide to create a wifi hotspot from another wifi hotspot
1634[14:13:30] <Psil0Cybin> if i have two wireless cards
1635[14:13:34] <Psil0Cybin> i get to the pooint of creating the hotspot, i connect to the hotspot and it has no internet :(
1636[14:13:50] <Psil0Cybin> my ask is to create a firewall on a current wireless network i do not have physical access too.
1637[14:13:55] <jelly> Psil0Cybin: you probably need to enable routing and set up NAT (masquerading)
1638[14:14:19] <jelly> so basically, if you're doing things manually,
1639[14:14:33] <jelly> echo 1 >> /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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1641[14:15:26] <Psil0Cybin> okay thank you... hmmm im going to have to write down your answer to do more research after work
1642[14:15:46] <jelly> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s internal-network/mask -o external-iface -j MASQUERADE
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1644[14:16:36] <jelly> and then you can configure network manually on the clients. If you want them to configure automatically you'd need a dhcp server for that segment.
1645[14:16:45] <diogenes_> Repository 'replaced-url
1646[14:16:58] <Psil0Cybin> okay yea becasue i was finding guides online but i was able to create a wifihotspot or adhoc but than it had no internet?
1647[14:17:13] <Psil0Cybin> and i was becoming mind boggled because it seemed easy, to connect wifi than do share to device for the original network
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1649[14:17:20] <ratrace> Psil0Cybin: don't forget to permanentize that ip_forward sysctl if you want it to survive reboot: net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
1650[14:17:26] <Psil0Cybin> via the NetworkManger.
1651[14:17:30] <jelly> I _think_ Network Manager has a "share internet" somewhere when you're creating an AP (hotspot)
1652[14:17:38] <Psil0Cybin> yea !! i was doing that
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1654[14:17:42] <Psil0Cybin> but it was not sharing?!
1655[14:18:08] <jelly> that should set up dnsmasq and and routes and forwaring and masquerade automagically.
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1661[14:22:27] <nils_> jelly, it makes sense to bring it up automatically at least in the rescue system I guess. It's just interesting that when that happens the device names are created as well, while they are not any longer after mdadm --create
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1672[14:27:25] <rafalcpp> in debian stable, how to use openpgp emails in thunderbird?! it seems thunderbird's security update is incompatible with enigmail
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1682[14:31:48] <terr__> I am trying to install grub - NOTE: I do not have the kernels installed yet. this is for buster. I have a live-cd for buster in the form of a .iso. I can unpack it but I don't yet know how. Can't find docs. but instlling grub in the MBR should be okay because I should be able to re-install and update (right?) I get this: The file /boot/grub/stage1 bot read correctly
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1686[14:33:33] <qorg11> I don't know how possible that is
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1695[14:37:29] <petn-randall> ,v enigmail
1696[14:37:30] <judd> Package: enigmail on amd64 -- jessie: 2:1.9.9-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 2:1.9.9-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 2:1.9.9-1~deb9u1; stretch: 2:2.0.8-5~deb9u1; buster: 2:2.1.3+ds1-4~deb10u2; buster-security: 2:2.1.3+ds1-4~deb10u2; bullseye: 2:2.1.5+ds1-1; sid: 2:2.1.5+ds1-1
1697[14:37:56] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: You should be able to backport it from testing. That one works IIRC.
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1717[14:52:38] <nirakara> hi. i'm having a problem with networking. i live on a network that is controlled by mac addresses. when i am in windows the DHCP server correctly assigns me an IP (dual boot), but on linux it does not
1718[14:52:42] <nirakara> can anyone help?
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1723[14:57:16] <radkos> could you advice me how to use post-up redirecting to file
1724[14:57:21] <radkos> I want it to add several ip-s
1725[14:57:35] <radkos> after the interface is ready
1726[14:58:19] <colo-work> "redirecting to file"?
1727[14:58:38] <colo-work> just have a post-up section with the appropriate "ip addr add ..." command line
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1739[15:02:41] <jelly> radkos: post-up for i in ip1/mask ip2/mask ip3/mask ...; do ip a add $i dev eWHATEV; done || true ... and a matching down or pre-down line.
1740[15:03:06] <radkos> colo-work, I'm having file in interfaces.d/additionalIPs which contains addr add x.x.x.x/24 dev eth0 but it doesn't work
1741[15:03:20] <radkos> i got error `misplaced option`
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1745[15:04:03] <jelly> radkos: show the actual file contents.
1746[15:04:05] <jelly> !paste
1747[15:04:05] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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1749[15:05:45] <radkos> jelly, ' addr add 10.10.10.50/24 dev eth0 '
1750[15:06:24] <KaiForce> he needs to see it in context, paste your interfaces file as shown
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1756[15:08:43] <radkos> it is not mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces other than default `source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*`
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1764[15:12:51] <radkos> Here is the /etc/network/interfaces: replaced-url
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1766[15:14:06] <KaiForce> I see - is it possible that it is executing the files in /interfaces.d/ before you have configured eth0?
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1774[15:15:24] <radkos> KaiForce, yes that's the thing
1775[15:15:49] <radkos> well if I include my lines in /etc/network/interfaces after eth0 interface with post-up command It doesn't work
1776[15:15:57] <radkos> I can't find the post-up syntax
1777[15:16:53] <KaiForce> I'm new to Debian so I'm not sure I can help but I have a similar thing on another distro, let me look at how I did it
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1779[15:19:09] <KaiForce> Ok I have routes added after the interface was up and I also have a different technique I used to add an IP address, hang on a sec...
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1785[15:22:05] <KaiForce> Ok the syntax appears similar so hope this helps you
1786[15:22:07] <KaiForce> replaced-url
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1798[15:28:24] <hgl> is it possible to check what flags a package uses to compile its binaries? All I can find on the package site is package source and compiled files
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1800[15:29:58] <terr__> I am trying to install grub - NOTE: I do not have the kernels installed yet. this is for buster. I have a live-cd for buster in the form of a .iso. I can unpack it but I don't yet know how. Can't find docs. but instlling grub in the MBR should be okay because I should be able to re-install and update (right?) I get this: The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly
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1806[15:33:32] <hgl> nvm, found it
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1815[15:41:19] <terr__> In the docs I see this: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 Like that has to be OLD. Issue is - where does it install? I am looking to get a new HDD bootable under buster. These docs don't look quite right.
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1817[15:42:58] <tails> hello how do I build a package from git?
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1823[15:45:58] <jelly> terr__: dpkg -L packagename will show the contents, once it's installed
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1826[15:48:44] <terr__> jelly, it is installed - but the packages are for Stretch. I need buster. New disk is goign to be a (block) buster install
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1840[15:54:13] <jelly> terr__: 32bit or 64bit system?
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1843[15:54:45] <terr__> 32 bit
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1846[15:55:22] <terr__> I guess I could have used debian installer - and I still can. Its been years since I did this and I've forgotten how.
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1848[15:55:42] <jelly> terr__: install linux-image-686-pae then
1849[15:55:59] <terr__> jelly, I have 64 bit systems too - after I get these 32 bit systems done then on to the 64 bit systems (all MBR)
1850[15:56:18] <terr__> where does it go?
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1856[15:57:33] <jelly> whichever filesystem /boot and /lib/modules are
1857[15:57:41] <jelly> on.
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1869[16:05:17] <Kingsy> I have a really old laptop and htpc, I am looking for a lightweight OS. is debian a good choice? or is it qwuite resource intensive?
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1871[16:06:10] <mtn> it is very adaptable, you can make what you want it to be
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1873[16:06:27] <Kingsy> well which ISO should I install is waht I mean?
1874[16:07:01] <mtn> Kingsy: get the net install and if you may want the non free one with firmware, so wifi will more likely work
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1876[16:07:54] <Kingsy> this -> replaced-url
1877[16:07:59] <Kingsy> the right one?
1878[16:08:02] <mtn> Kingsy: replaced-url
1879[16:08:28] <mtn> if you want the firmware version
1880[16:08:38] <Kingsy> replaced-url
1881[16:09:12] <mtn> iso-dvd, I would guess
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1883[16:09:33] <Kingsy> wow thats quite a bit iso
1884[16:10:08] <Kingsy> big
1885[16:10:09] <terr__> jelly /dev/sdc3 and its formatted ext4 and its set active
1886[16:10:17] <mtn> Kingsy: you can install a very small amount, though
1887[16:10:23] <Kingsy> alright cool
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1889[16:10:57] <Kingsy> and does it give you a DM choice? or do you need to setup X youyrself?
1890[16:11:00] <Kingsy> just downloading it now
1891[16:11:25] <mtn> Kingsy: yes, de/dm choices. like I said, you can do what you want
1892[16:11:34] <Kingsy> sweet.
1893[16:11:59] <Kingsy> I put ubuntu on here and my htpc and its just terrible (personal preference of course) but I am not enjoying it.... its SO SO bloated.
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1896[16:14:43] <Kingsy> like does debian come with all of these weird package installers and stuff? I am happy with apt-get
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1899[16:16:47] <twobitsprite> Kingsy: debian does have packages for rpm, etc, but it's not recommended to install packages to your system with those
1900[16:17:46] <Kingsy> meh thats ok. ubuntu seems to come with qutie a bit of nonsense these days. so I am just making sure I am getting away from it :D
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1905[16:19:46] <Kingsy> no mouse support in the installer, I guess it will be ok after install?
1906[16:19:53] <terr__> the .iso I need should be in the buster livecd. Question is how to get at it... because I can copy it and set the sym links. Its been so long - I forget even how to to a loopback mount
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1908[16:20:34] <terr__> jelly, time for a break - I'll be back in a bit
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1912[16:22:56] <petn-randall> Kingsy: Given that it's a terminal GUI I'm not surprised. Or are you using the GUI installer?
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1914[16:23:28] <Kingsy> GUI installer
1915[16:24:08] <Fox> terr__: mount -o loop
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1929[16:30:05] <Antoine> Hello, I have just installed docker (docker.io package) and it fails to start "dockerd[1252]: Error starting daemon: Error initializing network controller: list bridge addresses failed: no available network". What should I do?
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1933[16:32:20] <Kingsy> do I need "debian desktop env" ?
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1935[16:33:36] <mtn> Kingsy: not if you want a very light install
1936[16:33:51] <mtn> Kingsy: that will install gnome or other "heavy" de
1937[16:34:23] <Kingsy> I installed that and xfce, I guess it gives me a choice
1938[16:34:50] <mtn> Kingsy: right, if you want xfce, that was the right choice
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1942[16:36:08] <Kingsy> is there a supported version without systemd by chance?
1943[16:36:13] <Kingsy> just curious
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1948[16:38:20] <Antoine> The machine I'm trying to run docker on is connected to a VPN server, through which all the traffic is redirected.
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1950[16:38:36] <Antoine> Could it be the reason docker fails to initialize the network controller?
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1956[16:44:34] <terr__> Fox, mount -o loop. How do I specify the file> I have debian-blah.iso and I can mount it anywhere. like mkdir /iso; mount -o ???
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1958[16:44:55] <greycat> mkdir -p /foo; mount -o loop yourfile /foo
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1960[16:45:10] <terr__> greycat, thanks
1961[16:45:12] <greycat> mkdir -p /iso; mount -o loop yourfile /iso
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1966[16:47:12] <ruffni> unattended-upgrades keeps running at 100%, it warns about held packages, but there aren't any. any hints? should i kill it as soon as it starts spinning up?
1967[16:47:22] <OS-67748> #join /offsec
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1976[16:49:25] <ruffni> was that directed to me?
1977[16:49:38] <jelly> it wasn't
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1979[16:50:53] <greycat> The people whose nicks are OS-nnnnn are Kali or Parrot users who are enrolled in some sort of How 2 Haxx0r class. They're incredibly inept. Either that, or it's a massive trolling campaign.
1980[16:52:26] <ratrace> or both.
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1985[16:54:30] <Kingsy> wow, this is quite a slow installer, its taking about 20 minutes so far... :D jeez
1986[16:54:35] <Kingsy> ubuntu was much qwuicker
1987[16:54:56] <ratrace> wow!
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1989[16:55:22] <mtn> Kingsy: it is downloading everything
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1997[16:58:41] <terr__> greycat, works like a charm!
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2004[17:00:37] <ruffni> in the meantime `unattended-upgrades` has stopped. but what does it do to spin up to 100% for at least 15min? i mean, with todays technology and stuff it is possible to do pretty much with 15 minutes and 100% dedication of a processor, right?
2005[17:01:07] <noahmg123> I'm trying to use GNOME on Xorg, but it keeps crashing. Looking at my log file, I don't see what is causing the issue. From experience, I think this may be because an only partially installed driver, but I'm not sure.
2006[17:01:08] <jelly> ruffni: maybe it's just written pessimally
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2008[17:01:29] <ratrace> ruffni: you're better off without it anyway.
2009[17:01:42] <jelly> uninstalled-upgrades
2010[17:02:15] <ratrace> noahmg123: "partially installed"? meanwhile, things to consult: journalctl and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
2011[17:02:35] <sponix2ipfw> terr__: you ever get your rig going ?
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2013[17:03:28] <noahmg123> ratrace: partially uninstalled* really. My laptop has two GPUs and I tried the manufacturer driver for one, but ended up not liking it so I ran the uninstaller, but it may not have removed everything.
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2015[17:03:53] <noahmg123> ratrace: Also, theres a Xorg.1.log, would that be useful too?
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2018[17:04:37] <ratrace> that's rotated previous xorg.0.log. grep "(EE)" /var/log/Xorg.1.log
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2020[17:04:55] <terr__> sponix2ipfw, what rig?
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2023[17:05:11] <sponix2ipfw> terr__: umm your "computer"
2024[17:05:21] <sponix2ipfw> terr__: sorry for the confusing slang :)
2025[17:05:31] <noahmg123> ratrace: so log files count in reverse (where 0 is the latest)?
2026[17:05:31] <ruffni> why would it end up in debian if even people here think it's not so good?
2027[17:05:32] <terr__> I have this .iso mounted as a loop back. I shoudl just be able to run it as if it was on a CD or USB - right?
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2029[17:06:07] <terr__> sponix2ipfw, I am still working on this. It has been YEARS since I did it and I have forgotten a lot. Its coming back.
2030[17:06:44] <terr__> I am doing a lot of stuff by hand so I know exactly what is going on - and reading a lot of docs. I am not in a terrible rush.
2031[17:06:58] <ratrace> ruffni: that's flawed logic. problem with unattended upgrades is: a) you dont' review and test changes, b) it doesn't do the job 100%, doesn't restart services for lib upgrades, doesn't reboot for kernel upgrades
2032[17:07:10] <Kingsy> what packages do I need for lutris? (drivers) ?
2033[17:07:15] <sponix2ipfw> terr__: yeah, on modern Linux, the ISO will mount when you click on it, and then it is just like the CD/DVD was in the drive from there
2034[17:07:16] <terr__> sponix2ipfw, what I am finding is the docs sure can use some work.
2035[17:07:22] <sponix2ipfw> terr__: you can even "eject" it the same
2036[17:07:27] <ratrace> ruffni: you're way better running something like apticron and getting an email with pending upgrades which you can review, run, and restart what's needed.
2037[17:07:37] <mtn> Kingsy: do you know about the debian wiki?
2038[17:07:48] <sponix2ipfw> terr__: well, most docs are made by programmers that really wish someone else was making the docs -- thus your results :P
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2042[17:07:58] <terr__> click on it. That presumes filemanager sees it. I am in a terminal
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2044[17:08:06] <Kingsy> mtn: yes, lutris returned no results on there.
2045[17:08:14] <mtn> Kingsy: ok
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2047[17:08:33] <sponix2ipfw> terr__: Yeah, GUI file manager, you can just like double click on it, and it will mount to like /media/ or something
2048[17:08:40] <terr__> sponix2ipfw, what I did accomplish: USB switch: USB <-> 4 computers
2049[17:08:45] <sponix2ipfw> mtn: following me around I see ;)
2050[17:08:53] <noahmg123> ratrace: replaced-url
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2052[17:08:59] <mtn> sponix2ipfw: keep an eye on your mirrors
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2054[17:09:07] <sponix2ipfw> mtn: lol
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2058[17:10:05] <terr__> replaced-url
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2062[17:10:54] <terr__> that switch is JUST GREAT. And its like CDN$30 bux. You likely DO NOT WANT the KVM switches
2063[17:11:03] <ratrace> noahmg123: no obvious errors in that one. however, I see prime mentioned so that could be a whole can of worms right there. I think the recommendation there is to stick with one gpu only and completely disable the other. someone will correct me if I'm wrong, that PRIME thingy is not my cuppa tea.
2064[17:11:45] <terr__> sponix2ipfw, its took me quite a while to find that model. And its perfect.
2065[17:12:01] <noahmg123> ratrace: I see it ends with termination and it seems to have issues with drivers for all the devices. And yeah PRIME is a whole mess.
2066[17:12:11] <noahmg123> Wayland is working though, which is good.
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2068[17:12:36] <ratrace> if it is, then it's using the intel gpu, afaik nvidia still doesn't support wayland
2069[17:12:48] <ratrace> or nvidia but with nouveau
2070[17:12:50] <sponix2ipfw> noahmg123: if using the Nvidia binary driver you want X -- Not Wayland
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2073[17:13:15] <sponix2ipfw> ratrace: Yeah... Nvidia binary is X only to my knowledge
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2075[17:13:28] <noahmg123> sponix2ipfw: Not using it
2076[17:13:52] <ratrace> sponix2ipfw: it definitely didn't support it pre 4xx series. not sure if that's still the case, I think it is.
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2078[17:14:41] <sponix2ipfw> ratrace: after Decades, I finally have stable GUI with X -- I'm just not ready to start all over with Wayland :P
2079[17:15:08] <ratrace> it's not really production ready even if drivers support it though.
2080[17:15:31] <sponix2ipfw> exactly
2081[17:15:47] <ratrace> it's getting there.
2082[17:16:09] <noahmg123> Honestly there needs to be quite a lot of development in this space
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2084[17:16:40] <noahmg123> Things as simple as pinch-to-zoom on a touchpad still isn't available
2085[17:16:48] <sponix2ipfw> I like only restarting my rig once a Month for kernel and Nvidia updates
2086[17:17:29] <noahmg123> X, from what I understand, can't even handle touchpad gestures until the finger has left the touchpad.
2087[17:17:31] <ratrace> until this saturday, 'twas 90 days since last kernel update. I don't think nvidia updated at all in buster yet.
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2089[17:18:16] <sponix2ipfw> ratrace: I pull Nvidia and kernel from backports, and normally one or the other has an update about Monthly ;)
2090[17:18:28] <ratrace> ah.
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2092[17:18:36] <sponix2ipfw> If not, I just dust my computer while it is running, and call it close enough
2093[17:18:44] <noahmg123> If we can get the pinch-to-zoom touchpad gesture working in Linux, I honestly think that wold go a long way for usability.
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2095[17:19:12] <sponix2ipfw> noahmg123: usability/accessibility have a ways to go for sure
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2100[17:22:07] <sponix2ipfw> think in the last 20 days, I've only restarted rtorrent (for an upgraded version), vbox (upgrade also), and Plex (it just crashed) ... Everything else has been open and running without issues (firefox, qbittorrent, and so on)
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2165[17:48:06] <XenOS> how do you feel about the full disclosure of debian devs?
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2168[17:49:34] <jelly> XenOS: what do you mean?
2169[17:49:50] <sponix2ipfw> XenOS: I feel that I have no interest in it, and am wondering why you bring it up
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2173[17:50:58] <jelly> XenOS: do you mean the third point of replaced-url
2174[17:50:59] <Ede|Popede> who did disclose what?
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2179[17:53:35] <XenOS> soe girl cyptei or what its alias
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2206[18:13:34] <faisal1> Hello
2207[18:13:35] <faisal1> ?
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2215[18:16:35] <ratrace> must be a millenial. <60s waiting time threshold.
2216[18:18:09] <dvs> no kidding
2217[18:18:44] <Ede|Popede> they have to hurry, sea level is rising
2218[18:18:45] <greycat> The real issue is they never asked a question, so there was probably never going to be any response.
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2220[18:18:56] <dTal> "millenial"?
2221[18:19:03] <petn-randall> ratrace: gen z? Millenials are way in their thirties by now.
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2223[18:19:08] <dTal> i.e. someone under the age of 40?
2224[18:19:15] <dTal> ok boomer
2225[18:19:31] <ratrace> petn-randall: post-millenial then? :)
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2229[18:23:30] <dTal> IRC users: "damn millenials, coming in here expecting help and conversation like the own the place, why can't they learn due respect for The Sacred Rules of IRC"
2230[18:23:45] <dTal> also IRC users: "wahh booh hoo why is IRC dying"
2231[18:24:08] <greycat> Straw man.
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2234[18:24:29] <dTal> Satire. Exaggeration, with a grain of truth.
2235[18:24:56] <greycat> The person left on their own, for their own reasons. Nobody chased them out, or even spoke to them at all, in the few seconds they were here.
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2238[18:26:29] <dTal> And the response was snarky in the extreme, instead of "we have failed this person by not holding their interest somehow".
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2240[18:27:19] <dTal> Yesterday there was someone in here, kinda clueless, who wanted help with an overheating manjaro installation
2241[18:27:52] <dTal> totally off-topic for #debian of course
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2243[18:28:17] <dTal> he got a huge amount of shit for "trolling"
2244[18:28:52] <dTal> but all he needed was "yo, no idea dawg, maybe try #manjaro"
2245[18:29:21] <jelly> some people don't realize trolling implies intent to cause noise
2246[18:29:33] <greycat> there isn't a #manjaro or at least, it's not visible to /list
2247[18:29:57] <greycat> so, probably ##linux
2248[18:30:05] <dTal> oh god, ##linux
2249[18:30:07] <dTal> shudder to think
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2253[18:31:36] <greycat> there's a ##manjaro but it's got 1 user and no topic
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2255[18:32:25] <greycat> chanserv says #manjaro is registered, so maybe they're just "hidden". I hate that shit.
2256[18:32:37] <greycat> a help channel should not be secret.
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2258[18:34:18] <dTal> Point is there's an awful lot of "you have violated IRC social protocol, and therefore we do not even owe you courtesy or an explanation"
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2260[18:34:39] <greycat> Not in this case. There was zero interaction in this case.
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2264[18:35:07] <greycat> And if assholes like the ops of #manjaro want to hide their channel so nobody can find it, well, how do you expect users to react to that?
2265[18:35:27] <jelly> so evil, how dare they hide it from alis
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2268[18:36:45] <dTal> Yes, not in this case. I just felt that the tsk-ing about the impatience, while understandable, reflected a similar failure to take responsibility for the onboarding of new users
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2271[18:37:33] <jelly> I don't remember whether we have an on-join notice
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2274[18:37:52] <dTal> I can't view the /topic on this shitty Android client unfortunately, so I can't see if the channel has a message about being patient and waiting. But that's a decent start.
2275[18:37:54] <greycat> We do.
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2279[18:38:41] <greycat> 12:37 <- notice[ChanServ] [#debian] Welcome to #Debian. This is a discussion channel; if you have a question about Debian GNU/Linux, ask and we will try our best to answer it. Newcomers should read the channel's guidelines by typing "/msg dpkg guidelines". Please do not paste in the channel; use #flood instead. Thank you.
2280[18:38:50] <greycat> The bit about #flood should be changed.
2281[18:39:12] <wwilliam> where the /home of a user is defined in /etc/passwd?
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2283[18:39:34] <jelly> wwilliam: last column, columns separated by :
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2285[18:39:43] <ayekat> I don't think IRC is dying - it's rather going through the inverse of what happened to usenet in the 90s
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2287[18:40:03] <wwilliam> last column i have /bin/bash
2288[18:40:04] <greycat> Last column is shell. Home dir is second to last.
2289[18:40:16] <jelly> whoops!
2290[18:40:43] <jelly> that means I'm too tired to think
2291[18:41:01] <wwilliam> ha ha thanks anyway
2292[18:41:14] <n_1-c_k> wwilliam, 'man 5 passwd' for definitive guide (I hope)
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2295[18:41:22] <wwilliam> Thanks
2296[18:42:21] <jelly> getent passwd | awk -F: '/^'$USER':/ {print $(NF-1)}' # possibly much better than echo $HOME ?
2297[18:42:42] <ayekat> or `getent passwd $USER` right away before the pipe
2298[18:42:50] <jelly> see, tired
2299[18:42:55] <ayekat> :-P
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2305[18:46:42] <sbug> I don't usually forget where my $HOME is :P
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2307[18:49:19] <jelly> sbug: is your username pepperidgefarm
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2309[18:50:25] <sbug> haha
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2312[18:51:41] <johnfg> Hi folks
2313[18:52:18] <johnfg> I've *still* got a problem with an old PATH showing up, which I don't know where it's coming from.
2314[18:52:37] <greycat> is GNOME involved in any way?
2315[18:53:03] <johnfg> When I run 'echo $PATH', one of the lines is: /home/johnfg/texlive/2018/bin/x86_64-linux
2316[18:53:20] <johnfg> greycat: cinnammon. Is that using gnome at all?
2317[18:54:02] <johnfg> That part of the PATH in my .bash_profile is /home/johnfg/texlive/2019/bin/x86_64-linux
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2319[18:54:27] <greycat> What is the exact sequence of steps you are using to get the "wrong" result?
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2322[18:57:09] <jelly> johnfg: just for fun, if you create a new user and log in as that, do you get any of those paths in PATH?
2323[18:57:50] <Aebian> is there an event that I can check against when I flip my laptop in tablet mode? My goal is to disable the keyboard then with xinput
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2325[18:58:01] <kreyren> Is the a way to pull debian's dockerfile without the need to login ? replaced-url
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2331[18:59:07] <Akuw> i am getting "reset adapter unexpected"
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2334[19:00:04] <johnfg> greycat: After upgrading to the current texlive (I'm not using apt for this, but tlmgr), I edited my .bash_profile to the line above: /home/johnfg/texlive/2019/bin/x86_64-linux
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2337[19:01:00] <greycat> And then you logged out and back in...?
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2340[19:01:51] <greycat> And the type of login that you're performing reads ~/.bash_profile ...?
2341[19:02:19] <Akuw> "reset adapter unexpectedly"
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2345[19:04:03] <jelly> Akuw: is this in dmesg? Does everything work before and after that? How often do you see that message?
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2347[19:04:10] <jelly> Akuw: which debian release is this?
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2353[19:07:51] <Akuw> jelly: actually i see that after login. Message appear many times
2354[19:07:57] <Akuw> Jessie 8.10
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2356[19:08:41] <thenori> Hey everyone o/ Does anybody have a sturdy opinion on VM software? I default to VirtualBox + Vagrant mostly cause it's what I've heard of.
2357[19:08:47] <Akuw> and i cant connect trought network
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2359[19:09:28] <jelly> Akuw: can you upgrade the kernel to the latest for jessie?
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2361[19:10:18] <jelly> Akuw: or is this one of your offline machines with crazy pinned versions of everything
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2364[19:10:35] <jelly> or both
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2367[19:11:29] <jelly> ,kernels
2368[19:11:30] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.5.0-rc5-686 (5.5~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 5.4.0-3-686 (5.4.13-1); bullseye: 5.4.0-3-686 (5.4.13-1); buster-backports: 5.4.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.4.8-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-8-686 (4.19.98-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2+deb10u2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-12-686-pae (4.9.210-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1);
2369[19:11:31] <judd> jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2~deb8u1)
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2372[19:11:57] <jelly> hmph, where's 3.16
2373[19:12:11] <Akuw_> i am geting log messahe staring ith line "Deetected Hardware Unit Hang"
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2377[19:13:08] <jelly> Akuw_: can you pastebin the whole dmesg, or at least the last 200 lines or so
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2382[19:14:25] <jelly> ,v linux-image-3.16.0-10-amd64
2383[19:14:26] <judd> Package: linux-image-3.16.0-10-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie-security: 3.16.81-1
2384[19:14:30] <arnewheeler> makwa
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2389[19:18:46] <Akuw_> replaced-url
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2393[19:19:29] <johnfg> jelly: Let me try that now...
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2395[19:20:44] <Akuw_> jelly: replaced-url
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2401[19:23:08] <AeroNotix> What are the guidelines on making a debian package where the executable in the package will need some setcap options?
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2404[19:23:56] <greycat> iputils-ping has setcap commands in its postinst
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2408[19:24:34] <johnfg> jelly: Nope, standard system path
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2410[19:24:52] <greycat> johnfg: so, what steps do you perform which give you the wrong answer?
2411[19:25:47] <AeroNotix> greycat: postinst then
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2413[19:26:06] <johnfg> greycat: Sorry I missed your earlier. Yes, I logged out and logged back in, after the initial change. Rebooted many times since, and the way that path shows up is with echo $PATH.
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2415[19:26:21] <greycat> *sigh*
2416[19:26:55] <greycat> Well, at least if you rebooted, we can be pretty damned sure you also performed a full login, of *some* kind, though we still don't know *what* kind.
2417[19:27:11] <greycat> How are you logging in, and how are you getting to a command shell in which you can run a command such as echo $PATH?
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2420[19:28:09] <johnfg> greycat: After logging into a cinnammon desktop session, I start an xfce terminal. That's where I do the echo $PATH, and the wrong path shows up.
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2422[19:28:27] <johnfg> If I login tty1-6, I *do* get the correct path.
2423[19:28:38] <greycat> You login with lightdm? Or one of the gdm* family? Or do you login on a text console and run startx?
2424[19:28:56] <greycat> Ah, so tty1-6 is not your regular login.
2425[19:29:11] <johnfg> greycat: lightdm.
2426[19:29:27] <greycat> OK, the first thing you will need to understand is that a lightdm login does not read your ~/.bash_profile at all.
2427[19:29:40] <johnfg> And yes, tty7 seems to be the standard for lightdm, etc.
2428[19:29:46] <greycat> So, unless you went out of your way to dot that in from some *other* file, nothing you put in there makes any difference.
2429[19:30:13] <johnfg> greycat: Makes sense. So where is lightdm getting that old $PATH?
2430[19:30:41] <greycat> lightdm doesn't set PATH, as far as I know. It runs a "session", of one of several different kinds, and the session will choose which files to read.
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2432[19:31:17] <greycat> A default Debian X session reads ~/.xsessionrc and then looks for ~/.xsession -- if the latter isn't present, it reads a bunch of default files from /etc/.
2433[19:31:48] <johnfg> Ok, I'll look for the .xsession files and see what's there, eh?
2434[19:32:17] <greycat> replaced-url
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2436[19:33:29] <greycat> Once the session is done reading files, it'll launch your desktop environment, and then *that* may set environment variables as well.
2437[19:33:51] <johnfg> greycat: Yup, that was it (unless it's lurking somewhere else). It was in .xsessionrc, which I changed to 2019.
2438[19:33:57] <greycat> I don't know whether Cinnamon has a thing that overrides PATH at login.
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2451[19:36:53] <johnfg> brb. I'll logout/login and check the $PATH.
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2495[19:58:50] <Church-> Question, I've had a few node applications I've been packaging as deb archives for easy installation. However I've noticed that the executable bit on the scripts themselves is being stripped when folks install the package. Is there a way to stop this from happening? It's making it so customers have to manually chmod the scripts themselves. I assume it's occuring because I'm installing the scripts
2496[19:58:52] <Church-> to a path under /opt/?
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2501[20:01:59] <jelly> Church-: if the binary deb is shipping files with executable permission, those will be preserved. I suspect your generated deb already has x stripped
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2506[20:03:21] <jelly> eg. google's package for Chrome browser contains this:
2507[20:03:23] <jelly> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1873 Jan 16 02:44 /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome
2508[20:04:15] <jelly> it's a script, it has executable permissions, I don't see any obvious chmod going on in the postinst script
2509[20:04:48] <Akuw_> jelly: saw dmesg ?
2510[20:04:56] <jelly> sorry, no
2511[20:05:48] <Akuw_> jelly: replaced-url
2512[20:05:53] <Akuw_> when you can
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2514[20:06:21] <jelly> Akuw_: did you google for that message? First workaround found is disabling all hw acceleration, using ethtool
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2516[20:06:43] <XenOS> i have to re-set cpu power every reboot why?
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2518[20:07:05] <jelly> Akuw_: which kernel is running and can you install the latest for jessie?
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2520[20:07:18] <Akuw_> when i try to get that host using ssh there is the error again
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2523[20:08:43] <XenOS> it forgets with ever reboot
2524[20:08:56] <XenOS> every
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2526[20:09:13] <jelly> XenOS: what do you mean by "re-set cpu power", precisely, which command / tool?
2527[20:09:26] <XenOS> cpu-power
2528[20:09:30] <XenOS> gui
2529[20:09:46] <Akuw_> jelly: but that host was working fine
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2531[20:10:14] <XenOS> cpupower-gui
2532[20:10:20] <jelly> Akuw_: did you upgrade the kernel recently?
2533[20:10:28] <Akuw_> no
2534[20:10:36] <jelly> Akuw_: did you reboot recently?
2535[20:10:54] <Akuw_> this host is not connected to internet
2536[20:11:11] <jelly> that does not answer the question
2537[20:11:42] <XenOS> why does it forget?
2538[20:11:49] <jelly> Akuw_: so 2) did you reboot recently? 1) which kernel is running and can you install the latest for jessie?
2539[20:11:58] <Akuw_> it has 2 interfaces, but only eth1 has that
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2543[20:13:00] <Akuw_> Reboot: yes, Kernel: 3.16.0-4-amd64, Can´t install last version
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2549[20:14:05] <XenOS> i guess its systemd fault
2550[20:14:37] <jelly> Akuw_: perhaps the previous boot used a different kernel.
2551[20:14:45] <Akuw_> no
2552[20:14:47] <Akuw_> same
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2554[20:15:09] <jelly> Akuw_: if you can't install 3.16.0-10-amd64, I suggest trying the ethtool workaround
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2558[20:18:02] <Church-> jelly: Yeah fairly certain that just adding a `chmod +x` into my packaging script worked, really questioning why no one just did that...
2559[20:18:07] <Church-> Thanks for the help
2560[20:18:35] <XenOS> help
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2566[20:23:50] <greycat> I guess nobody knows anything about this GUI cpu-power thing. Usually if you want something to be done when you boot, you find a command-line way to do it, and then you arrange for your command to be run at boot time. rc.local is one way to do it.
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2568[20:24:12] <greycat> some people like crontab with @reboot, or writing a systemd unit for it
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2576[20:29:25] <XenOS> replaced-url
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2579[20:31:00] <Akuw_> eth0 is not giving problems
2580[20:31:10] <Akuw_> so the problem should be else where
2581[20:31:33] <greycat> ,info linux-cpupower
2582[20:31:35] <judd> Package linux-cpupower (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: CPU power management tools for Linux. Version: 4.19.98-1; Size: 482.5k; Installed: 692k; Homepage: replaced-url
2583[20:32:35] <XenOS> its thing
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2586[20:32:49] <XenOS> its a thing
2587[20:32:58] <greycat> maybe that package can do what you need
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2589[20:33:04] <greycat> I don't know much about the topic
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2591[20:33:12] <XenOS> it works
2592[20:33:24] <jelly> XenOS: did it come with Debian? Can you figure out which process is running and which package it belongs to?
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2594[20:34:05] <jelly> poking the window of the GUI app with the xprop tool might be helpful.
2595[20:34:18] <XenOS> its in Debian repo
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2601[20:35:28] <jelly> Akuw_: what I'm hearing is "I know what my problem is, and I won't even try a possible workaround".
2602[20:35:48] <XenOS> it forgets setings with every reboot
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2604[20:35:57] <XenOS> why?
2605[20:36:12] <jelly> XenOS: it's hard to hlep over irc if we do not even know what "it" is
2606[20:36:35] <XenOS> alredy told you what iot is
2607[20:36:39] <Akuw_> jelly: why only one interface is giving problems?
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2609[20:36:50] <jelly> XenOS: you did not say which package it belongs to
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2611[20:37:10] <greycat> all I saw was a github link for a set of command-line tools which may or may not be the same ones in the linux-cpupower package
2612[20:37:15] <XenOS> cpupower-utils
2613[20:37:28] <greycat> N: Unable to locate package cpupower-utils
2614[20:37:28] <greycat> E: No packages found
2615[20:37:32] <XenOS> are you foir real?
2616[20:37:36] <jelly> ,v cpupower-utils
2617[20:37:37] <judd> No package named 'cpupower-utils' was found in amd64.
2618[20:37:40] <greycat> what version of Debian are you using?
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2620[20:37:47] <XenOS> cpupower
2621[20:37:58] <jelly> .v cpupower
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2623[20:38:01] <jelly> ,v cpupower
2624[20:38:02] <judd> No package named 'cpupower' was found in amd64.
2625[20:38:05] <greycat> are you just going to keep guessing possible package names until one of them works?
2626[20:38:07] <jelly> XenOS: nope, sorry
2627[20:38:11] <XenOS> info linux-cpupower
2628[20:38:43] <jelly> XenOS: those do not provide a gui
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2630[20:39:02] <jelly> ,depends linux-cpupower
2631[20:39:03] <judd> Package linux-cpupower in buster/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7), libcpupower1 (>= 4.7~rc2-1~exp1), libpci3 (>= 1:3.5.2-1).
2632[20:39:07] <XenOS> cpupower-gui
2633[20:39:17] <jelly> yeah, can you stop guessing?
2634[20:39:32] <XenOS> thats it
2635[20:39:34] <greycat> XenOS: what version of Debian are you using, and what is the NAME of the running process that provides the GUI application you are seeing?
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2637[20:39:43] <jelly> ,v cpupower-gui
2638[20:39:43] <judd> Package: cpupower-gui on amd64 -- bullseye: 0.7.2-2; sid: 0.7.2-2
2639[20:39:51] <XenOS> bullseye
2640[20:39:55] <jelly> at least that one exists
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2642[20:40:46] <XenOS> it forgets setings with every reboot
2643[20:40:57] <XenOS> why?!
2644[20:41:04] <towo`> and that's how it works
2645[20:41:13] <greycat> I don't see anything about permanence or persistence of changes in replaced-url
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2648[20:41:23] <towo`> cpupower-gui does not set any persistant values
2649[20:41:34] <greycat> If you want permanence, find a command-line alternative, and put your command in /etc/rc.local (and shebang, and chmod).
2650[20:42:08] <jelly> XenOS: you're on testing branch of Debian. Software might be incomplete or buggy, you will need to check for bug reports and file a bug report or find an alternative with a CLI as greycat suggests
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2652[20:42:32] <XenOS> just fix it
2653[20:42:43] <greycat> Did you file a bug report?
2654[20:43:03] <towo`> there is nothing to fix
2655[20:43:05] <XenOS> ill let you do the honors
2656[20:43:06] <greycat> You're using testing, and the only reason you should be doing that is so that you can help test Debian's next release, by reporting the bugs you find.
2657[20:43:09] <jelly> XenOS: sadly, this channel is not a proper place to file a bug report and we don't have enough manpower to gather info and do it for you
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2661[20:43:46] <Akuw_> jelly: i disable eth1 and configure eth0 and is working no error messages
2662[20:44:04] <greycat> sounds like one of your interfaces has a hardware issue
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2664[20:44:15] <jelly> or it's a buggy kernel/driver
2665[20:44:23] <jelly> or both
2666[20:44:24] <greycat> yes, certainly possible
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2669[20:45:07] <jelly> really, disabling all offload stuff with ethtool would be the first thing I'd do
2670[20:46:21] <jelly> a lot of old servers had problems with those. Some are fixed with newer firmware. For a 100Mbps link you won't even notice any difference in performance
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2679[20:52:21] <Church-> jelly: Hmm, or not. So I use `dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot` for building my package along with some generated control/rules files. I had my script chmod +x the requisite script before calling `dpkg-buildpackage` however inspecting the package via `dpkg -c` and grep showed me that the executable bit was not set on the script.
2680[20:52:40] <Church-> This is wrt that packaging discussion you had with me earlier vis a vis executable bits.
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2688[20:54:46] <greycat> if the program isn't showing x bits in dpkg -c output, that means the package archive isn't being assembled correctly
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2692[20:57:23] <jelly> Church-: care to upload your debian/ dir someplace? Or at least d/rules and d/*.install ?
2693[20:57:31] <Church-> Hmm, is there an option I should be setting in rules for this? My rules file is minimal: replaced-url
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2695[20:57:43] <Church-> jelly: Yeah let me just push the *.install next, one second.
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2697[20:58:22] <Church-> .install is here: replaced-url
2698[20:58:39] <jelly> Church-: and if you don't get help here, ask in #packaging over on irc.oftc.net
2699[20:58:53] <Church-> Nod, will do. Thanks for all the help.
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2701[20:59:08] <Church-> Just had this dropped on my head friday, and this is first I've done non nixOS packaging. It's interesting.
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2703[21:00:25] <jelly> it's... just one line with "/opt" ?
2704[21:00:34] <jhutchins_wk> Akuw_: Look for files in your home directory that belong to root. The settings apparantly aren't getting written to disk, if there is a permissions issue that would explain/fix it.
2705[21:00:35] <Church-> Yeah, this is all generated by a script
2706[21:00:41] <Church-> Let me grab that.
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2708[21:02:18] <Church-> replaced-url
2709[21:04:18] <greycat> Church-: does the first line of the script really begin with !/bin/bash instead of #!/bin/bash ?
2710[21:05:29] <Church-> Ugh, no typo. Copy and pasted it from a repo to just try and get this repro'd locally
2711[21:06:11] <Akuw_> jhutchins_wk: i search but all is as expected
2712[21:06:22] <jhutchins_wk> Akuw_: Ok, worth a shot.
2713[21:06:47] <Akuw_> jhutchins_wk: why you said that?
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2715[21:06:50] <jhutchins_wk> Akuw_: There might be something in the greeter/DM configuration.
2716[21:07:04] <Akuw_> jhutchins_wk: where?
2717[21:07:28] <jhutchins_wk> Akuw_: Dunno, I don't know what DM you're running.
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2720[21:07:50] <jhutchins_wk> Akuw_: Did you search in the hidden folders that begin with a . ?
2721[21:08:00] <Akuw_> jhutchins_wk: ok
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2725[21:10:09] <Akuw_> jhutchins_wk: you know, i disable eth1 and rebot and use eth0 and i can do ssh
2726[21:10:19] <Akuw_> is strange
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2728[21:10:40] <greycat> and jelly offered a few suggestions, which you ignored
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2731[21:11:41] <Akuw_> greycat: this host was woking fine
2732[21:11:49] <Akuw_> with same hardware
2733[21:12:07] <greycat> and then... you...?
2734[21:12:19] <jelly> Church-: so you're installing /opt straight from the root of the build tree, instead of things to package being put under debian/tmp/ and using a relative path? That seems unusual (I did not know that could work)
2735[21:12:38] <Church-> Yeah this is something I inherited as of 5PM Friday.
2736[21:12:49] <Church-> So tbh I'm not rightly sure why we do that
2737[21:13:01] <Church-> Probably some stupid build issue we ran into and this just happened to work >_>
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2742[21:13:54] <jelly> Church-: it probably won't change a lot, but can you put opt into debian/tmp/opt and get rid of the slash in the foo.install file, so just "opt" there?
2743[21:14:08] <Church-> Yeah lemme try that
2744[21:15:05] <jelly> erm, put opt into debian/tmp/
2745[21:15:24] <Church-> Nod
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2751[21:17:48] <Church-> jelly: Yeah that didn't work
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2755[21:18:50] <jelly> no difference in built result, or does not even build deb at all?
2756[21:19:11] <Church-> No different in build result, apologies
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2760[21:20:08] <jelly> nod. But now I know some of my own build scripts can be simplified a bit
2761[21:20:10] * jelly hides
2762[21:20:50] <Church-> Heheheh
2763[21:21:01] <greycat> P.S. that shell script is pretty bad. Basically it doesn't quote ANYTHING. Including stuff that gets passed to rm -rf.
2764[21:21:04] <Church-> Well I'll fiddle with this some more later then
2765[21:21:15] <Church-> greycat: Oh I'm aware, needs to be cleaned up
2766[21:21:25] <Church-> Which I plan to since I have a task to overhaul packaging
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2771[21:23:18] <arnewheeler> S3xyL1nux
2772[21:23:22] <tails> ok what is the difference between Xen and KVM?
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2774[21:23:37] <tails> I want to forward some GPU power for the virtual machine
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2776[21:23:47] <tails> not sure if its possible with one Intel GPU
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2790[21:33:44] <towo`> tails, there is gvt-g for kvm and intel gpu
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2794[21:34:50] <tails> what is gvt?
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2796[21:35:45] <tails> oh'
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2883[22:20:24] <Cauryl> wget replaced-url
2884[22:20:26] <Cauryl> ln -sf "$HOME/.config/weechat/python/notify_send.py" "$HOME/.config/weechat/python/autoload/notify_send.py"
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2902[22:27:10] <aminaa_54> replaced-url
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2911[22:31:46] <Rick_Mac82> Hello! Im trying to make Xorg work decent on a Macbook Pro A1286 Late 2011. I have sucessfully installed Debian 10 on this machine and i have slowly build upon it. But for some reasons i can't get display-manager to run when i try to execute startx
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2913[22:32:08] <Rick_Mac82> The logfiles output i will paste within pastebin right asap
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2915[22:33:27] <Rick_Mac82> replaced-url
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2917[22:34:33] <Rick_Mac82> i have followed this tutorial in order to try make things with graphics and Xorg work properly. replaced-url
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2926[22:36:54] <metbsd> how do i know i'm running latest
2927[22:37:03] <greycat> cat /etc/debian_version
2928[22:37:18] <metbsd> says 10.3
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2930[22:37:31] <greycat> that is the current stable point-release. it just came out this weekend.
2931[22:37:33] <Rick_Mac82> metbsd: lsb_release -a
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2933[22:37:46] <metbsd> i just updated it
2934[22:37:55] <greycat> lsb_release -a doesn't show you the point release version
2935[22:37:56] <metbsd> thankfully it reboots fine
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2937[22:38:20] <Rick_Mac82> greycat: thanks for your advice.
2938[22:38:41] <metbsd> thanks to debian, my old crappy laptop becomes most useful and important pc at home.
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2940[22:39:07] <Rick_Mac82> greycat: dmidecode -s system-product-name also a good one.
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2942[22:39:14] <thenori> @Rick_Mac82, could you post the contents of your ~/.xinitrc and /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc files?
2943[22:39:35] <metbsd> looks like debian updates every two or three months
2944[22:39:36] <Rick_Mac82> thenori: right away sir, one moment
2945[22:39:51] <thenori> ma'am lol
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2947[22:40:19] <thenori> comrade, m8, or anon would also do
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2950[22:41:34] <thenori> @Rick_Mac82, also post the output of lspci | grep VGA
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2952[22:42:16] <frotz47> metbsd, did you install xorg? command: apt install xorg
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2954[22:42:48] <Rick_Mac82> thenori: here is the output replaced-url
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2957[22:43:43] <metbsd> my i don't have gui installed on this
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2961[22:44:23] <Rick_Mac82> metbsd: Im feeling you buddy, currently running Debian 10.3 buster in CLI headless mode in within a Macbook Pro 8.2 lol
2962[22:44:54] <Rick_Mac82> metbsd: would be nice to see GUI running on top of it, but it's a little tricky to get drivers work properly for this AMD card. :P
2963[22:45:30] <thenori> @Rick_Mac82, your .xinitrc is supposed to be called ".xinitrc" not "xinitrc"
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2965[22:45:56] <Rick_Mac82> thenori: one moment, i will rename it right away
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2967[22:46:58] <Rick_Mac82> thenori: okay, i did rename the file so now it's /etc/X11/xinit/.xinitrc
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2969[22:47:22] <thenori> nonah
2970[22:47:24] <thenori> the other one
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2973[22:47:49] <thenori> @Rick_Mac82, Xorg looks first to "~/.xinitrc" then "/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc"
2974[22:47:52] <metbsd> CPU0: Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU T2370 @ 1.73GHz (family: 0x6, model: 0xf, stepping: 0xd)
2975[22:48:03] <metbsd> GUI xorg? i don't think so. nope. lol
2976[22:48:22] <thenori> Your "/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc" doesn't call a window manager on its last line
2977[22:48:28] <Rick_Mac82> thenori: okay now it's like /home/sysop/.xinitrc & /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
2978[22:48:37] <metbsd> im laughing in my sleep when it becomes my dns cache, vpn server, and samba serves movies and photo
2979[22:48:43] <greycat> what on EARTH are you people DOING
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2981[22:48:55] <metbsd> it's not the best solution but it works for me
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2983[22:49:05] <thenori> Your ~/.xinitrc ends in a call to a window manager so it should run fine
2984[22:49:44] <Rick_Mac82> thenori: do you want me to execute startx and meanwhile tail -f /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
2985[22:49:49] <greycat> If you have a non-X system and you want to install X on it, you just do "apt-get install xorg" and you also install a window manager or DE of your choice. Then you run "startx". Or you install a DM. If you want to install MORE THAN ONE WINDOW MANAGER, and choose between them, you either configure x-window-manager via
2986[22:49:54] <thenori> Yeah give it a go
2987[22:50:02] <greycat> ... alternatives, or you edit ~/.xsession to configure it on a user-by-user level.
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2989[22:50:23] <greycat> You don't edit files in /etc/X11.
2990[22:50:40] <thenori> tfw I edit files in /etc/X11
2991[22:50:43] <metbsd> modern approach would be xsession?
2992[22:51:00] <thenori> xsession isn't more modern, it's for multiuser boxes
2993[22:51:24] <metbsd> maybe im using wrong term. the gui logig/passwd
2994[22:51:26] <greycat> ~/.xsession is Debian's addition to make one config file work for both startx *and* xdm-style display managers.
2995[22:51:29] <metbsd> what's that name
2996[22:51:39] <metbsd> xdm gdm
2997[22:51:55] <metbsd> gnome desktop manager
2998[22:52:01] <greycat> 25 years ago you had to use .xsession for xdm and .xinitrc for startx. Debian combined them.
2999[22:52:04] <jhutchins_wk> lightdm
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3001[22:52:10] <jhutchins_wk> kdm for kde.
3002[22:52:29] <metbsd> 25 years later we are still using it
3003[22:52:35] <thenori> The gui login/password is the "display manager"
3004[22:52:35] <greycat> sddm for KDE these days
3005[22:53:14] <Rick_Mac82> greycat: the thing is that i read that lightdm is not a valid option or choice for this particular Macbook.
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3007[22:53:24] <Rick_Mac82> greycat: i will link you the page. But let me give this a spin first.
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3009[22:53:34] <thenori> @Rick_Mac82, just pick a different display manager then
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3011[22:53:40] <thenori> there's a list on the wiki
3012[22:53:48] <greycat> I don't know anything about that. But if you want to switch WMs, you don't have to edit files in /etc/X11 to do so.
3013[22:53:52] <Rick_Mac82> thenori: im giving it a spin and will tail the logfile currently i wish and hope for icewm to load effortlesly
3014[22:53:58] <thenori> glhf
3015[22:54:47] <Rick_Mac82> thenori: unfortunatly :/ one moment will give log file output
3016[22:55:00] <thenori> you're making progress : )
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3019[22:55:44] <Rick_Mac82> thenori: it seems that the output is the exact identical as before i did any changes.
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3022[22:55:53] <greycat> in Debian, /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99x11-common_start executes whatever ends up in the STARTUP variable, which is set by previous configs and defaults (in the absence of a user dot file) to x-session-manager or x-window-manager. Those two things are configured via the Debian alternatives system (update-alternatives --config x-window-manager).
3023[22:56:03] <Rick_Mac82> thenori: both /var/log/Xorg.0.log & /home/sysop/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log tell me the following
3024[22:56:09] <greycat> x-session-manager is for Desktop Environments
3025[22:56:11] <thenori> yeah i read it before
3026[22:56:55] <Rick_Mac82> thenori: replaced-url
3027[22:57:04] <metbsd> so how do you guys use your debian box? i'm curious
3028[22:57:46] <thenori> idk computer stuff
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3031[22:58:31] <thenori> media, comms, hacking, coding, image editing, music production, fucking around
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3034[22:58:54] <thenori> @Rick_Mac82, gimme a sec
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3036[22:59:05] <thenori> I'm gonna get you a next step then we both need to reboot
3037[22:59:13] <Rick_Mac82> thenori: sure
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3039[23:00:15] <frotz47> how about everybody's first debian? mine was Potato
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3051[23:02:44] <thenori> sid
3052[23:03:26] <thenori> @Rick_Mac82, just for due diligence gimme $ cat /etc/X11/default-display/manager
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3054[23:04:02] <greycat> that doesn't exist in Debian
3055[23:04:14] <greycat> or... wait. that might just be me.
3056[23:04:22] <metbsd> thenori, that's basically everything!wow
3057[23:04:22] <thenori> I misspelled that
3058[23:04:27] <thenori> @Rick_Mac82, just for due diligence gimme $ cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
3059[23:04:30] <Rick_Mac82> thenori: thenori cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
3060[23:04:30] <Rick_Mac82> /usr/bin/icewm
3061[23:04:44] <thenori> kk just making sure
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3063[23:05:01] <greycat> OK, that *does* exist in Debian but only *if* you have installed a Display Manager.
3064[23:05:11] <greycat> Those of us who don't use a DM won't have that file.
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3066[23:05:30] <Rick_Mac82> thenori: replaced-url
3067[23:05:38] <rander2> hello
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3069[23:06:06] <rander2> My xorg server stop to work, I'm from tty1
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3073[23:07:45] <tails> how do you build a debian package of linux?
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3075[23:07:56] <tails> dpkg-source: error: unrepresentable changes to source
3076[23:07:59] <tails> tails@tails-pc:~/other/linux-5.4.13$ make -j3 deb-pkg
3077[23:08:09] <tails> so I ran that and it say that error
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3082[23:09:06] <thenori> @tails have you read the whole debian packaging guide?
3083[23:09:13] <tails> no
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3085[23:09:36] <tails> why does it have to be harder than "make -j3 deb-pkg"?
3086[23:10:02] <tails> linux-5.4.13 is from "apt-get source linux"
3087[23:10:09] <thenori> bc you have to have everything in an idiosyncratic architecture to build a .deb
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3089[23:11:27] <rander2> how paste from prompt ?
3090[23:11:44] <tails> rander2: Ctrl-Shift-C copies, Ctrl-Shift-V pastes
3091[23:11:54] <rander2> no, without X
3092[23:11:56] <tails> drag mouse over text to select
3093[23:11:57] <tails> oh
3094[23:11:57] <rander2> tty
3095[23:12:11] <tails> um...there was a mouse thingy for linux
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3098[23:12:25] <rander2> nc url | ...
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3101[23:12:29] <tails> not sure what it was called
3102[23:12:32] <rander2> I don't remenber now
3103[23:12:34] <greycat> "gpm" but if you just want to send stuff to a paste site, there's nc pastebin.com 9999 and others
3104[23:12:40] <Rick_Mac82> thenori: any suggestion or idea how i could or should proceed with Xorg? :)
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3106[23:12:56] <rander2> ok
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3108[23:13:07] <OSP10> i messed up my persistent partition and am running recovery mode right now, does anyone know how i fix my persistent partition from here?
3109[23:13:09] <greycat> Rick_Mac82: install firmware for your hardware, reboot, install xorg and a window manager of your choice, startx
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3111[23:13:33] <thenori> ey I'm working on a solution still
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3114[23:14:01] <Rick_Mac82> greycat: i have firmware for hardware already installed. And also xorg packages same thing with window manager "icewm"
3115[23:14:07] <dob1> can I run a script as an user that has /bin/false as login?
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3117[23:15:02] <dob1> nevermind
3118[23:15:07] <thenori> YO
3119[23:15:17] <thenori> I got your answer I think lmao
3120[23:15:52] <rander2> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc pastebin.com 9999 ??
3121[23:15:52] <Rick_Mac82> thenori: appriciating this alot
3122[23:16:00] <thenori> replaced-url
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3124[23:16:08] <thenori> not being smart or anything
3125[23:16:27] <devfx11> so is debian very good lately ?
3126[23:16:29] <devfx11> as usual ? :)
3127[23:16:44] <Rick_Mac82> thenori: if you want i can remove everything that has to do with icewm to do and choose another Display manager if you would like that or if that could ease your assitance?
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3130[23:16:55] <thenori> nah nah nah nah nah this page has your answers
3131[23:17:12] <Rick_Mac82> thenori: ok then let me check
3132[23:17:14] <thenori> okay so first of all if you like icewm it suggests using icewm-session to start it
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3141[23:19:30] <thenori> second of all the example .xinitrc is very informative, like note how they shebang, source profile, call xinput, and chmod +x their .xinitrc then start icewm with its in-house session manager
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3145[23:20:35] <rander2> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc pastebin.com 9999 # how may I paste this file ?
3146[23:20:50] <thenori> @rander2 go to pastebin.com
3147[23:21:43] <thenori> @Rick_Mac82, FWIW my .xinitrc is two lines: 1 export XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=Budgie:GNOME 2 exec budgie-desktop
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3152[23:23:07] <thenori> tbh i highly recommend Budgie as a desktop environment
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3156[23:24:41] <dob1> what does it means when you do an rsync and it output just a directory name , that still exists? you see like dir/ but it's not creating a new dir
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3158[23:25:05] <OSP10> i messed up my persistent partition and am running recovery mode right now, does anyone know how i fix my persistent partition from recovery mode?
3159[23:25:21] <thenori> @OSP10, fsck all the disks to start out
3160[23:26:10] <OSP10> fsck?
3161[23:26:23] <thenori> yup like fsck /dev/sda6
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3163[23:26:34] <thenori> man -k fsck
3164[23:26:38] <OSP10> it boots but at desktop i cant get into the terminal or anything
3165[23:27:03] <thenori> You're in recovery mode right now, that's a terminal
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3167[23:27:15] <thenori> fsck all your disks and come back when that's done
3168[23:27:17] <OSP10> from my persistent partition i meant
3169[23:27:21] <OSP10> ok
3170[23:27:25] <thenori> @dob1 be more descriptive
3171[23:27:32] <OSP10> thank you for that info
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3173[23:27:49] <dob1> thenori, I can't say more.... I see dir/
3174[23:28:02] <OSP10> i dont have a sda6 btw
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3176[23:28:11] <thenori> you have used 3 lines to communicate nine characters
3177[23:28:13] <OSP10> nvm
3178[23:28:45] <thenori> instead try sharing the command that prompted the error
3179[23:29:05] <thenori> @OSP10, lsdisk
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3182[23:30:17] <OSP10> that command doesnt work
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3184[23:30:57] <OSP10> this is a custom os built off of debian running live-persistent on a usb
3185[23:31:02] <OSP10> no hard drive in laptop
3186[23:31:09] <thenori> what is lsdisk made of i forgot
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3188[23:31:22] <thenori> fdisk -l
3189[23:31:26] <thenori> @OSP10,
3190[23:31:53] <OSP10> right
3191[23:32:04] <OSP10> that displays everything i already see in gparted
3192[23:32:06] <thenori> then take those device names and use fsck on them
3193[23:32:12] <rander2> sh
3194[23:32:50] <OSP10> just the persistent partition right
3195[23:33:13] <thenori> I mean I'd use it on everything involved
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3197[23:33:21] <rander2> bot is outdated
3198[23:33:34] <rander2> !wgetpast
3199[23:34:19] <rander2> it try to connect to replaced-url
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3203[23:36:03] <thenori> @OSP10, what's going on?
3204[23:36:19] <OSP10> denied
3205[23:36:25] <thenori> ?sudo?
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3207[23:36:28] <OSP10> my root password doesnt work
3208[23:36:40] <tails> hello how do I change GTK themes in budgie?
3209[23:36:45] <OSP10> ok that worked
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3211[23:36:53] <thenori> you don't need root password in recovery mode
3212[23:36:58] <OSP10> now what
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3214[23:37:05] <OSP10> i just did it on the persistent partition
3215[23:37:12] <thenori> @tails budgie-desktop-settings
3216[23:37:19] <OSP10> do i really need to run that on the grub img
3217[23:37:22] <rander2> nc pastebin.com 9999
3218[23:37:26] <thenori> @OSP10, don't 'now what' tell me what the result was
3219[23:37:27] <OSP10> the fat32
3220[23:37:31] <OSP10> the iso9660
3221[23:37:35] <OSP10> ntfs
3222[23:37:39] <thenori> what happened
3223[23:37:43] <OSP10> nothing
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3225[23:37:53] <thenori> you mean it didn't find an error
3226[23:37:58] <thenori> if nothing happened that'd be strange
3227[23:37:59] <OSP10> it printed fsck from util-linux 2.34
3228[23:38:19] <thenori> cool step 2
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3230[23:39:06] <OSP10> do i need to do this on the iso.img too? which is sda4
3231[23:39:14] <OSP10> fat32 usbboot sda3
3232[23:39:16] <thenori> you said it boots
3233[23:39:19] <thenori> so don't worry about it
3234[23:39:27] <OSP10> sda2 is grub2 core.img
3235[23:39:35] <thenori> yeah it boots past grub so disregard it
3236[23:40:02] <thenori> first of all, sign into your wifi in the recovery mode OS
3237[23:40:15] <OSP10> done
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3239[23:41:01] <thenori> open up terminal and repeat after me. Anything that I use $ROOT_PARTITION$ for is not meant literally, it's meant for you to substitute in if you got it.
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3243[23:43:48] <rander2> !nc
3244[23:43:48] <dpkg> [nc] (Network Computer) This is a concept that came from the old days of dumb terminals. They are supposed to reduce the cost of standardized computers in the office environment. or the name of the netcat binary. North Carolina, or where the tobacco grows greener
3245[23:43:59] <rander2> !pastebin.com
3246[23:43:59] <dpkg> pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, is full of js, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like replaced-url
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3248[23:45:15] <OSP10> thenori, what?
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3250[23:46:03] <thenori> $SUDO_EVERYTHING$ mount -t ext4 $/DEV/ROOT$ /mnt $ENTER$ mount -t $extFILETYPE_OF_BOOT$ $/DEV/BOOT_if_ygot_it$ /mnt/boot $ENTER$ mount -t proc none /mnt/proc $ENTER$ mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev $ENTER$ mount -o bind /sys /mnt/sys $ENTER$ cp /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/etc/resolv.conf $ENTER$ chroot /mnt /bin/bash $ENTER$ source /etc/profile $ENTER$
3251[23:46:10] <thenori> @OSP10,
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3253[23:46:52] <rander2> Fatal server error: no screen found
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3255[23:48:05] <OSP10> what the fuck
3256[23:48:09] <thenori> once you've completed that, if it's successful then 'sudo apt update && sudo apt --fix-broken'
3257[23:48:36] <OSP10> who is miguel@89-67-252-80.dy
3258[23:48:40] <thenori> to clarify: the second line is only necessary if you have a boot partition
3259[23:48:42] <OSP10> what are you having me run
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3263[23:48:50] <thenori> ?????? who tf is miguel idk
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3265[23:49:01] <OSP10> after i pasted that, thats what came up
3266[23:49:08] <thenori> WHY WOULD YOU PASTE IT
3267[23:49:29] <thenori> I JUST SAID THAT EVERYTHING WITH $DOLLAR SIGNS$ IS NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY
3268[23:49:37] <OSP10> idk
3269[23:49:42] <rander2> shit
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3271[23:50:01] <thenori> ; _ ;
3272[23:50:04] <thenori> work with me here
3273[23:50:18] <thenori> $SUDO_EVERYTHING$ means 'add sudo before every command'
3274[23:50:32] <OSP10> who the hell is 89.67.80.dy
3275[23:50:34] <thenori> $ENTER$ means 'move your finger to the enter key and depress it until it clicks'
3276[23:50:36] <thenori> I have no idea
3277[23:50:54] <thenori> that's a personal problem
3278[23:50:55] <OSP10> 89.67.252.80
3279[23:51:12] <thenori> idk man I just taught you how to chroot I'm not your sysadmin
3280[23:51:35] <nils_> what's going on?
3281[23:51:50] <OSP10> when i ran that it popped up oo_miguel IP from this chat
3282[23:51:57] <OSP10> lol
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3285[23:52:41] <OSP10> pretty weird
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3290[23:53:37] <OSP10> └──╼ $* oo_miguel (~miguel@89-67-252-80.dy
3291[23:53:37] <OSP10> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
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3295[23:57:54] <tails> gee I'd have to toy with Minix
3296[23:58:09] <tails> another user must toy with GNU HUrd
3297[23:58:13] <metbsd> can it be better than debian?
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3299[23:58:20] <metbsd> i don't think so
3300[23:59:20] <tails> if you work very hard it will match debian
3301[23:59:29] <phogg> How can you have the knowledge to judge better or worse without seeing the spectrum?
3302[23:59:40] <tails> it depends what you want to do
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