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0[00:00:08] <ratrace> tomg: fixed your exim issue?
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15[00:10:33] <wwilliam> I installed stretch again same thing
16[00:10:50] <wwilliam> power settings in system settings are not available
17[00:10:55] <wwilliam> what a bummer.
18[00:11:08] <nkuttler> check your bios?
19[00:11:35] <wwilliam> is a vm
20[00:11:47] <wwilliam> what should I check for?
21[00:11:58] <nkuttler> hm, why do you need pm in a vm?
22[00:11:59] <wwilliam> nkuttler:
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24[00:12:09] <nkuttler> acpi/apm stuff? dunno
25[00:12:12] <wwilliam> Power Management configuration module could not be loaded.
26[00:12:19] <wwilliam> the power management service appears not to be running.
27[00:12:27] <wwilliam> This can be solved by starting or scheduling it inside "Startup and Shutdown"
28[00:12:39] <wwilliam> I have no idea how to do the last part.
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30[00:13:36] <wwilliam> I dont want to vm to log out after 5 mins of inactivity.
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36[00:15:46] <tomg> ratrace, no, i'll try again
37[00:17:42] <ratrace> tomg: it's in the docs :) ::0 tried that? replaced-url
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42[00:19:41] <tomg> local_interfaces = <; ::0 ; 0.0.0.0 is what i needed to see
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44[00:19:59] <tomg> i thought :: would do for ::0, but no. everything seems to work now, thanks ratrace !
45[00:20:32] <tomg> wait i think i spoke too soon
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47[00:22:19] <tomg> 2020-02-08 18:21:48 socket bind() to port 25 for address :: failed: Address already in use: waiting 30s before trying again (3 more tries)
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49[00:23:49] <tomg> it seems to work now, i switched the order
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59[00:28:44] <tomg> it seems to be good, thanks ratrace for the doc URL
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67[00:33:42] <quadrathoch2> Hey, was right now spinning up a vm and wanted to try firewalld, but somehow when I want to reload the firewall rules, I get an error, and only after rebooting the new rules apply oO, anybody got an idea?
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69[00:35:30] <quadrathoch2> ahm, here is the error :/ replaced-url
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110[01:17:39] <wwilliam> does anyone know why this does not work/
111[01:17:44] <wwilliam> Power Management configuration module could not be loaded.
112[01:17:48] <wwilliam> the power management service appears not to be running.
113[01:17:51] <wwilliam> This can be solved by starting or scheduling it inside "Startup and Shutdown"
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115[01:18:27] <wwilliam> I have no idea to start it or schedule it inside Startup and shutdown/
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124[01:23:21] <karlpinc> wwilliam: Sounds like a desktop question. Search your desktop help for "Startup and
125[01:23:25] <karlpinc> Shutdown".
126[01:25:21] <wwilliam> Thank you. karlpinc
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143[01:40:54] <thor> Can someone help me with Steam.. I got pretty far and have the Terminal error messages ready . Im on Mint XFCE 64-bit
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171[02:12:34] <wwilliam> how do i install the latest kde?
172[02:12:41] <wwilliam> on debian stretch.?
173[02:15:10] <neox> sudo apt install kde-full for the latest full release with all the applications.
174[02:15:10] <neox> Otherwise kde-standard, or kde-plasma-desktop (minimal installation)
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177[02:15:54] <wwilliam> Thank you.
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241[03:24:43] <u0_a198> whe i use the usb to install the debian,the anna retrieving apt-cdrom-setup and send me the bad sha256sum,thanks
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292[04:04:19] <regis> Yo
293[04:04:25] <regis> What's up with 10.2 being "latest" at replaced-url
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296[04:06:54] <themill> CDs take time to generate and then the links need to get updated
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310[04:12:10] <regis> Completely understandable. This may be some faulty cache's fault though but I'm not talking about files available on mirrors but test imbedded in debian.org html. Example is the main page with "Download Debian 10.2" in topright. My script stands that it was 10.3 around Feb 8 21:55 and 10.2 at Feb 9 03:55
311[04:12:51] <regis> (CET)
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320[04:15:41] <themill> regis: yes, the web team normally wait until the new iso hits the mirrors first and then updates the website. The git commit to do so was pushed about 30min ago.
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322[04:16:58] <regis> All clear
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324[04:17:03] <regis> Cheers
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330[04:18:36] <thenori> hey, I'm having trouble updating from security.debian.org
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332[04:18:57] <thenori> I'm running debian unstable
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334[04:19:44] <thenori> no matter if I set it to stable, stable/updates, whatever it gives me 404
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337[04:20:05] <thenori> i feel uncomfortable not having *any* security repository functioning
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339[04:21:40] <themill> real sources.list lines are easier to debug
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341[04:22:03] <themill> !show sources.list thenori
342[04:22:03] <dpkg> thenori: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
343[04:22:25] <thenori> deb replaced-url
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345[04:22:51] <themill> it would be buster/updates not stable
346[04:22:59] <themill> not that you'd be able to use it if you're running sid
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350[04:24:06] <thenori> how would i be incapable of using security updates? I couldn't get security updates functioning with unstable/updates
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353[04:24:32] <themill> much of the time, the version of the package in sid would already be greater than the version in buster/updates
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356[04:24:47] <themill> there are no unstable/updates, that's a meaningless thing
357[04:24:50] <themill> !sid security
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359[04:24:50] <dpkg> There is no security support for unstable (sid) at all. Uploads of new packages that fix security vulnerabilities are handled in the same way as any other new version -- this means it's up to the maintainer to do a new upload and you (perhaps) to reconfigure services to cope with the new version. This is one of the reasons unstable is not suitable for day-to-day use in many situations. Also ask me about <moving target>.
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361[04:26:34] <thenori> so why should the security repository 404?
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366[04:28:04] <thenori> E: The repository 'replaced-url
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372[04:31:14] <themill> because "stable there
373[04:31:35] <themill> because "stable" there is wrong. it is "buster/updates"
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375[04:31:48] <terr__> I tried apt install aptitude. It asked for a a stretch CD in /media/cdrom/
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380[04:36:30] <themill> terr__: you need to update your sources.list to ensure that it includes internet mirrors and doesn't include the CD entry
381[04:36:34] <themill> !stretch sources.list
382[04:36:34] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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386[04:40:09] <terr__> themill, thanks. This is rescue media. I just installed and booted. I can do it.
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394[04:46:06] <terr__> themill, I copied what you wrote. I am coming down with a cold. I'll tackle it later
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402[04:54:11] <themill> no worries, good luck
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504[06:45:39] <SanchoPensa> hey guys!
505[06:46:42] <netvixtra> Me Pensa
506[06:47:07] <SanchoPensa> so, for some time now, I was worrying, that something about my sources might be broken, since, every time, when I attempted to dist-upgrade/full-upgrade, it basically did nothing.
507[06:47:07] <SanchoPensa> right now, I noticed an increased usage of cpu by the noise of my laptops fans, so I looked, where it came from.
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510[06:47:29] <SanchoPensa> what I found is a script running, by the name of unattended-upgr.
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512[06:47:48] <SanchoPensa> so, I googled, what that is. And I found a corresponding log file.
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514[06:48:28] <dvs> ,v unattended-upgrades
515[06:48:29] <judd> Package: unattended-upgrades on amd64 -- jessie: 0.83.3.2+deb8u1; jessie-security: 0.83.3.2+deb8u1; stretch: 0.93.1+nmu1; buster: 1.11.2; bullseye: 1.17; sid: 1.17
516[06:48:31] <SanchoPensa> that log file says, that my debian just upgraded linux headers, linux image, systemctl, udev, openssh-client, and then some
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518[06:49:22] <SanchoPensa> dvs: exactly. I find that to be a very "interesting" change in policy, that debian nowadays does things without my knowledge, just like windows.
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520[06:49:35] <annadane> it can be disabled
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525[06:49:42] <SanchoPensa> and that without anybody even telling me. how come?
526[06:49:45] <dvs> SanchoPensa, just uninstall that package
527[06:49:46] <annadane> but yes, a point release just came out today
528[06:50:02] <annadane> it's *not* enabled by default, somebody must have done it on your machine
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530[06:50:35] <annadane> or at least, shouldn't be
531[06:50:39] <SanchoPensa> annadane: I saw that too. my point is, since when does debian take such substantial decisions out of my hand, and that without me knowing of ot?
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533[06:50:51] <annadane> again, not enabled by default
534[06:51:00] <annadane> it's good for people who don't want to do stuff manually
535[06:51:18] <SanchoPensa> annadane: I sure as hell haven't installed it myself, I haven't enabled it, and there is nobody else, who has access to my computer
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537[06:51:49] <SanchoPensa> annadane: I do not doubt that. the issue, that I am addressing, is the change in policy.
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542[06:52:35] <SanchoPensa> and it DOES say in the description, that most packages nowadays require the script to be running. That don't sound like, "I have to enable it myself", does it?
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546[06:55:37] <tomreyn> replaced-url
547[06:56:00] <tomreyn> it doesn't state the reasoning, but i am certain this was discussed at length on mailing lists.
548[06:57:05] <dvs> sneaky sneaks!
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551[06:57:59] <SanchoPensa> indeed.
552[06:58:13] <SanchoPensa> andy I am using xfce, by the way...
553[06:58:52] <annadane> i wonder if it's just a, "autostarted by default because that package was installed" thing that debian likes to do
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555[06:59:09] <annadane> and whether it's true of unattended upgrades because it was installed as a Recommends of something else
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557[06:59:50] <SanchoPensa> there is one more thing:
558[07:00:13] <SanchoPensa> the upgraded linux image/headers do require a restart. nothing ever tells me that.
559[07:00:32] <SanchoPensa> suggestion is, to monitor cat /var/run/reboot-required.pkgs for changes in content
560[07:00:42] <SanchoPensa> that is seriously not feasable.
561[07:00:44] <annadane> i just use the needrestart package
562[07:01:00] <SanchoPensa> annadane: I see, thank you
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571[07:10:05] <SanchoPensa> annadane: how does that work exaclty? do I have to invoke that script manually, or is it "enabled", once I ran needrestart -r l?
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573[07:11:14] <annadane> it's already enabled
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575[07:11:51] <SanchoPensa> annadane: it is? Ydt again? :D
576[07:12:09] <annadane> yeah, a lot in debian package installation is automated
577[07:12:29] <SanchoPensa> I really wish, debian would start adding useful descriptions to their package "descriptions": replaced-url
578[07:12:36] <annadane> i was speculating overly much on unattended upgrades, i didn't know it could just randomly activate itself, it might though so i shouldn't have guessed
579[07:13:14] <SanchoPensa> it's a fact. at least for me.
580[07:13:55] <annadane> well, enjoy 10.3, and if you don't want unattended upgrades make sure you know when updates are available
581[07:14:01] * annadane uses package-update-indicator
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583[07:14:12] <annadane> also, subscribe to debian-announce@lists.debian.org
584[07:14:36] <annadane> (i assume you're on debian 10 and just linked to the jessie version of needrestart randomly, not that you're on jessie)
585[07:14:47] <SanchoPensa> I am of the opinion, that these circumstances should be described during installation/upgrade. Like, you get a prompt for every this and that. Why not for something substantial like this?
586[07:15:04] <annadane> possible, i'm not sure where your feedback can be directed thoug
587[07:15:04] <annadane> h
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589[07:15:10] <annadane> i'm definitely not a developer
590[07:15:15] <annadane> i am however, exhausted, and going to sleep
591[07:15:16] <SanchoPensa> aye, 10.3 it is
592[07:15:42] <SanchoPensa> annadane: have a good one then. Thanks for your assistance, very much appreciated!
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594[07:15:51] <dudz> disabling apt would prevent unattended upgrades for those who don't want it?
595[07:15:52] <annadane> sorry for initially being unhelpful
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597[07:15:57] <SanchoPensa> ??
598[07:16:05] <SanchoPensa> didn't notice that!
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601[07:16:57] <dudz> i've not tried it, but it seams logical to me that without an apt source, there is nothing to consult/upgrade from
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603[07:17:14] <annadane> yeah, but like, you can just disable unattended upgrades itself
604[07:17:21] <dudz> oh right
605[07:17:21] <annadane> don't need to mess around with that
606[07:17:51] <SanchoPensa> does make sense, though. I only wish, I had KNOWN about it.
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610[07:20:04] <annadane> replaced-url
611[07:20:13] <annadane> from what it looks like
612[07:20:17] <annadane> i don't really use it so idk
613[07:21:07] <annadane> oh they left
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615[07:21:57] <dudz> :)
616[07:22:04] <dudz> perl <3
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632[07:35:17] <tomreyn> in case SanchoPensa ever returns: replaced-url
633[07:35:54] <tomreyn> <SanchoPensa> and that without anybody even telling me. how come?
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702[08:42:43] <Maha> hello
703[08:42:47] <Maha> i have a few questions
704[08:43:15] <Maha> im running a custom linux distro based off of debian
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706[08:43:40] <Maha> i was wondering if it is ok to apt-get upgrade while logged into the root account
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708[08:44:45] <Maha> instead of the user account
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715[08:55:14] <terr__> I have an installation which is not partitioned the way I want. I can sacrifice it. Here is my question: Since this partition contains only /swap and /home, then 1) can I recreate both in /(root) - I can empty both targets first and unmount them. They are empty. 2) reactive "tiny" /swap and /home within the /(root) partition and then blow away my extended partition (FAT32) and expand /(root) - all the while being logged into the system as root?
716[08:55:35] <terr__> Note: I do not need to do it this way. I am just wondering if it can be done this way.
717[08:56:58] <terr__> I am in the process of installing Buster on a new target drive anyways. When I am done the rescue boot I am using now is totally unneeded. So I may as well experiment.
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746[09:22:54] <opnsense0> Bonjour
747[09:25:23] <countdr> Bon apetit
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749[09:26:35] <diogenes_> C'est la vie
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775[09:39:40] <Deknos> hey i just updated debian stable (with backports). and while updating initramfs it says something about "W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/vega20_asd.bin for module amdgpu" any known issue about that? i couldnt find anything prominent in the debian bugtracker
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783[09:44:21] <countdr> Deknos: Debian doesn't include firmware
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787[09:47:40] <aypea[0]> Deknos: you may need non-free fw. debian provides.
788[09:47:58] <aypea[0]> Deknos: but you may need to add the non-free component manually
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794[09:53:40] <diogenes_> Deknos, but if everything works, you don't need to do anything.
795[09:54:26] <countdr> You still need to work.
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797[09:55:35] <diogenes_> i've got a bunch of missing firmware messages too but it's not related to my hardware so one might not need it.
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803[09:59:59] <thorie2> how can i boot without x? i tried adding `text` to the linux /vmlinuz line during the grub bootup, but it still reaches the xdm login screen ... my issue is the keyboard/mouse don't seem to work on that login screen (usb gets frozen? caps lock light indicator no longer works when i toggle, though it works up until xdm appears)
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809[10:05:45] <neox> Use advanced option when on grub and select recovery mode entry
810[10:08:01] <ratrace> thorie2: add systemd.unit=multi-user.target to that vmlinuz line instead of "text"
811[10:10:23] <thorie2> thanks i got it!
812[10:11:05] <thorie2> fyi i did that, then in console i did apt remove xdm, apt install lightdm, and now the keyboard/mouse don't freeze on the login screen
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814[10:11:59] <ratrace> and it looks way nicer, not 1980s :)
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817[10:12:44] <thorie2> yeah it does!
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827[10:21:40] <Deknos> aypea[0], diogenes_ i added non-free, but the firmware files are not there.
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829[10:22:00] <Deknos> i admit i am always nervous about missing firmware files
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854[10:47:27] <deepfreez> Hi, can anyone tell me if I can get debian with 2.6 kernel? I need for lab testing.
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856[10:47:55] <deepfreez> I think 4?
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859[10:48:14] <terr__> deepfreez, I hae not looked but I think you can. In fact I might have a machine that old here. Circa what decade?
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861[10:49:52] <ratrace> replaced-url
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863[10:51:06] <deepfreez> thank you
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865[10:51:39] <deepfreez> In have a wifi usb asus and in the manual is only for kernel 2.6
866[10:52:07] <terr__> ratrace, I figured you would have the answer!
867[10:52:12] <deepfreez> Asus USB-N14 USB Adaptor Wireless-n300 and I cannot install on the least debian
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872[10:53:31] <terr__> deepfreez, how can I find out the actual WiFi chipset in this machine?
873[10:53:42] <dispersed> lspci ?
874[10:53:48] <terr__> thax
875[10:54:03] <deepfreez> yes :)
876[10:54:17] <countdr> deepfreez wait. Try Ubuntu
877[10:54:39] <deepfreez> countdr, I try but no result.
878[10:54:50] <countdr> 2.6 won't work
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881[10:55:38] <lovelytingy> python3 bash: /usr/lib/command-not-found: /usr/bin/python3: bad interpreter: Too many levels of symbolic links
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884[10:55:43] <deepfreez> replaced-url
885[10:55:47] <terr__> Its a Qualcomm Atheros AR8132 / AR928 Wireless combo - eeePC
886[10:55:50] <lovelytingy> same with the python command
887[10:55:55] <lovelytingy> help me plz
888[10:56:25] <countdr> I preach Ubuntu in #debian
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890[10:57:01] <terr__> deepfreez, Don't we support proprietary firmware
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892[10:57:21] <deepfreez> I try with Asus USB-N14 USB Adaptor Wireless-n300
893[10:57:22] <countdr> lovelytingy: The problem is /etc/alternatives/python
894[10:57:26] <deepfreez> with backports
895[10:57:28] <deepfreez> no result
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899[10:57:51] <lovelytingy> countdr what should i do
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901[10:58:14] <terr__> deepfreez, that interface should live in a module that can be loaded at runtime. insmod
902[10:58:41] <deepfreez> let me try.
903[10:58:51] <countdr> lovelytingy: Is python even installed?
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905[10:59:36] <lovelytingy> i just trying to install Pypdf lib
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907[10:59:50] <lovelytingy> and some how messedup
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909[11:00:14] <terr__> deepfreez, this is above my payscale.
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911[11:01:02] <countdr> lovelytingy: Type python press Tab Tab How do we set /etc/alternatives/python ?
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913[11:01:40] <deepfreez> :)
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918[11:03:04] <nlpqda> OMG my debian box starts reading everything on the screen making me feel like I'm going blind all the sudden
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921[11:03:25] <nlpqda> how to stop/start debian reading assistance/
922[11:03:26] <nlpqda> ?
923[11:04:36] <countdr> lovelytingy: update-alternatives --list python
924[11:04:52] <countdr> nlpqda: The program is called orca.
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927[11:05:29] <nlpqda> countdr: not existing on my "buster" box
928[11:06:00] <nlpqda> O it seems there from terminal not gnome
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934[11:08:53] <nlpqda> countdr: I'm trying orca -d but it won't stop the crazy running application ....
935[11:09:14] <countdr> ps axu | grep orca
936[11:09:50] <countdr> Then apt-get remove orca
937[11:09:51] <lovelytingy> update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for python
938[11:10:35] <countdr> lovelytingy: dpkg -l | grep python
939[11:11:03] <nlpqda> countdr: is there other normal way to shut this program off? other than killing the process
940[11:11:15] <countdr> nlpqda: There is a keyboard shortcut of course
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943[11:12:20] <lovelytingy> countdr lots of line came up but python2,python3 && python2.7,python3.7 also
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948[11:15:17] <countdr> lovelytingy: ii means installed
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954[11:18:55] <o3pio> Why does buster is requesting to upgrade systemd ? (got 102 packages to upgrade since this morning )
955[11:19:23] <countdr> o3pio: What I do, is I copy sources.list to another file, then empty sources.list
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959[11:20:02] <sbug> nlpqda: in GNOME settings->universal access->screen reader
960[11:20:15] <o3pio> countdr, I wish to understand why all of sudden systemd need to have an upgrade and not break my apt config
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965[11:20:54] <countdr> I don't know what systemd is
966[11:21:08] <o3pio> !systemd
967[11:21:08] <dpkg> systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and is the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". replaced-url
968[11:21:11] <o3pio> countdr, ^
969[11:22:07] <terr__> replaced-url
970[11:22:07] <terr__> Canada - what do I change in /etc/apt/sources.list?
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972[11:23:24] <o3pio> terr__, put the line that has cdrom in commend (put a # in the start) , and run apt-get update later
973[11:23:46] <countdr> !mirrors
974[11:23:47] <dpkg> The best mirror for most users is <deb.debian.org>; other mirrors are listed at replaced-url
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976[11:24:44] <o3pio> terr__, we are already at buster , you should consider upgrading
977[11:25:34] <terr__> cd Downer o3pio I just want to get enough of apt installed so Ican trash stretch. (not that Stretch has not been a good friend). Most of the tools I need are not here.
978[11:25:46] <terr__> I am doing just that.
979[11:25:58] <nlpqda> sbug: I used pkill to terminate the program, now I switched on from Gnome settings as you've mentioned, but it's not reading like it did before.
980[11:26:03] <terr__> but I am re partitioning as well.
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983[11:27:26] <o3pio> terr__, you can upgrade inplace (just replace stretch to buster, do apt-get update , apt-get -d dist-upgrade cross your fingers and do apt-get dist-upgrade )
984[11:27:51] <countdr> terr__ You run the risk if power goes off
985[11:27:52] <terr__> I have the UofA mirror available but I'm installing so little it really doesn't matter. I'll use deb.debian.org
986[11:27:57] <sbug> nlpqda: maybe killing it made it not work. Might try logout/login and see if that helps
987[11:29:16] <terr__> o3pio, the partitioning is not suitable. It works but its not what I want for this disk. I am setting up a special bootable partition on an external HDD that I will put in my bank sftey deposit box.
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989[11:29:38] <terr__> countdr, the target disk is not mounted.
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991[11:31:38] <terr__> countdr, the machine I am working on is not this one... its a mate. That machine is booted from a USB rescue pendrive that I set up with Stretch. I am going to install buster into an external USB HDD 1TB... into a bottable Linux partition. Then I can use it to make images of my working HDD's using ddrescue.
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1000[11:38:03] <IniGit> hi, if I have a /boot partition and a /root partition and /root is encrypted, is this then what's referred to as a full disk encrypption?
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1005[11:39:23] <deepfreez> Hi IniGit, I think is a typo in your phrase.
1006[11:40:14] <deepfreez> if all your partition are encrypted, this mean your disk is full encrypted.
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1008[11:40:45] <IniGit> deepfreez: where?
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1011[11:41:03] <terr__> deepfreez, I have no experience with encrypted partitions... how fast do they run? What kind of encryption?
1012[11:41:55] <IniGit> deepfreez: So it doesen't matter if I only have a root/ parition which is encrypted or if I have /root, /home and a /tmp partition which are all encrypted, in both cases I have a full disk encryption?
1013[11:41:57] <deepfreez> IniGit, sorry I missed. You system working on / , you mentioned you have only /root encrypted. this mean your disk is not encrypted
1014[11:42:15] <deepfreez> how about / ?
1015[11:42:32] <IniGit> deepfreez: ok you mean / instead of /root
1016[11:42:48] <IniGit> deepfreez: true, sry
1017[11:42:56] <IniGit> I mean / instead of /root
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1019[11:43:01] <deepfreez> terr__, no good performance :) because as any device with encrypted data :) the performance decreases.
1020[11:43:18] <terr__> should end up in a swamp.
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1022[11:43:48] <terr__> I presume its sector by sector encryption
1023[11:43:59] <IniGit> Is it a bad idea to have two OS share the same encrypted /home partition and is this even possible?
1024[11:44:06] <IniGit> For example Ubuntu and Debian
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1026[11:44:13] <deepfreez> IniGit, if you want full encrypted you need to encrypt /boot too if you want full.
1027[11:44:32] <terr__> which will mean the addresses can be used to break the encryption... depending on what type of encryption of course
1028[11:44:36] <IniGit> deepfreez: I read that /boot cannot be encrypted because it must be cleartext
1029[11:44:36] <deepfreez> IniGit, not used.
1030[11:44:52] <terr__> deepfreez, that is easy - use windows!
1031[11:45:05] <terr__> I think it comes encrypted.
1032[11:45:16] <deepfreez> IniGit, you can use a USB key for this :)
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1034[11:45:50] <deepfreez> terr__, bleah :)) windows
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1038[11:46:43] <IniGit> deepfreez: I have to google that, I don't know what this is
1039[11:47:18] <NetTerminalGene> IniGit, if you use lvm, it encrypt everything except /boot
1040[11:47:28] <deepfreez> IniGit, i used one time :)
1041[11:47:35] <deepfreez> NetTerminalGene, right!
1042[11:47:37] <NetTerminalGene> you actually don't need to encrypt /boot
1043[11:48:09] <NetTerminalGene> it is for preventing physical attack
1044[11:48:32] <IniGit> NetTerminalGene: I use lvm I'm just thinking if I make a mistake by creating more partitions then / or in other words make it insecure
1045[11:49:41] <NetTerminalGene> if it's lvm, you don't need to worry
1046[11:50:05] <NetTerminalGene> it encrypt all partition
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1048[11:50:23] <IniGit> NetTerminalGene: What is this physical attack? Does this mean somebody can crack the full disk encryption? Is this for example a key logger or so?
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1050[11:51:04] <NetTerminalGene> use "lsblk" command to check if partitions are all in encrypted container
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1052[11:51:56] <jelly> IniGit: not crack, just replace your boot code that collects the passphrase, or similar. replaced-url
1053[11:51:59] <NetTerminalGene> IniGit, they can modify boot and can get your encryption key after you enter key
1054[11:52:10] <NetTerminalGene> paswsword*
1055[11:53:14] <IniGit> thx
1056[11:55:30] <deepfreez> :D
1057[11:56:04] <deepfreez> time to go, I will come back in a few hours.
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1060[11:56:59] <terr__> well I now have: 446,693,376 debian-10.3.0-i386-netinst.iso I wonder what it does? Is this documented? IE - Its been over a year since I used one. I _think_ it should contain a boot image - which can be copied to any media of at least that size and this _should_ be sector by sector so it has an embedded MBR, right?
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1065[11:57:49] <deepfreez> I think I will kill myself, my usb wifi doesn't work on the v5 kernel
1066[11:59:19] <terr__> deepfreez, I would recomend against that solution.
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1069[12:00:35] <terr__> deepfreez, are you saying you have a WiFI device that interfaces via USB? What kind of USB. 2.0 is pretty slow for WiFi
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1076[12:03:58] <jelly> terr__: yes, but also, that's a 32bit image. Do you have 32bit-only machines?
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1080[12:05:03] <deepfreez> terr__, doesn't matter if is slow :) right now I need only to make to work.. but doesn't work.
1081[12:05:09] <deepfreez> time to go, see ya
1082[12:05:42] <terr__> jelly, I have both. I am working on a 32 bit right now. I have 2x 32 bit laptops, 2x 64 bit towers and (not planning on using them) +x 32 bit older towers. Plus 64 bit Raspberry pi and Aruindo uno and nano
1083[12:06:45] <jelly> 32bit laptop would be older than 12 years (or an atom netbook)
1084[12:06:48] <terr__> deepfreez, you just need to load the older device driver. ...and I have no idea how to do this or even if it can be done.
1085[12:07:03] <terr__> atom netbook eeePC
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1087[12:09:43] <terr__> I need to modify the /etc/apt/sources.list file so it finds deb.debian.org <--- I think this is the official one... I have very little to install.
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1092[12:11:26] <terr__> replaced-url
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1094[12:13:00] <terr__> It looks to me that it is already set up. Why would apt be asking for /media/cdrom/
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1118[12:15:26] <ratrace> terr__: because you have a deb cdrom:.... entry
1119[12:15:53] <ratrace> one commented and one uncommented... accidentally?
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1123[12:17:20] <terr__> just blow it away!?
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1125[12:17:58] <terr__> There could be a NOTE in that file to this effect!!!
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1127[12:18:09] <ratrace> if you don't need it, yes, remove the uncommented entry
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1135[12:21:00] <magnetophon> Hi, I upgraded jessie -> stretch -> buster on my parents imac. Now it boots into a black screen unless I do nomodeset. With nomodeset, tty 1-6 work normally and tty7 stays in "text mode". When I boot from a live-usb it's the same, except with nomodeset it briefly shows a graphical debian image. I tried all combinations of drivers and grub commands that I could find online.
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1137[12:21:06] <magnetophon> Any ideas?
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1140[12:22:40] <magnetophon> there is a HD 4670 in there
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1143[12:23:39] <o3pio> NetTerminalGene, You can actually encrypt /boot these days as grub support it (even for LUKS2 replaced-url
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1150[12:26:54] <terr__> ratrace, yep - that does it - its installing...
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1152[12:27:44] <terr__> now I still have a problem with the timer. I set it to 20 minutes but it still locks Obviously I need to activate it.
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1155[12:28:48] <terr__> The stupid installer should give the option to bypass media. Like if I have it great - if not skip it.
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1158[12:29:17] <magnetophon> oh, almost forgot: apt commands show a bunch of important pkgs as "automatically installed and can be auto-removed". for example alsa-base is in that list
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1161[12:31:11] <terr__> aptitude works! However - I didn't see it in /usr/sbin and I looked in /sbin as well... where is it?
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1163[12:32:02] <terr__> why can't we get these little glitches ironed out in the newer version... its not like its hard.
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1165[12:32:55] <ratrace> magnetophon: you can run `apt autoremove` to remove those
1166[12:33:28] <ratrace> terr__: where is what?
1167[12:33:40] <terr__> where is aptitude?
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1169[12:34:12] <terr__> its running. I don't see a command to start it - command should be in /usr/sbin or in /sbin
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1172[12:34:50] <terr__> I need to install debian-installer
1173[12:35:02] <magnetophon> ratrace: Thanks. that won't help with my X issue, will it? Any ideas how to troubleshoot that one?
1174[12:35:48] <terr__> I am wanting to build from scratch buster and end up with a bootable partition and GRUB as the boot loaded on a new HDD that I have already partitioned.
1175[12:36:05] <terr__> magnetophon, what yer problem?
1176[12:36:37] <magnetophon> terr__: after an upgrade from jessie -> stretch -> buster, my X won't start
1177[12:36:45] <ratrace> magnetophon: none, when it comes to macs
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1179[12:37:09] <ratrace> terr__: why don't you use debootstrap?
1180[12:37:15] <terr__> magnetophon, any messages? Are you trying startx?
1181[12:37:22] <magnetophon> terr__: without "nomodeset" I geyt a black screen pretty soon after boot
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1188[12:39:08] <terr__> ratrace, simple - I don't know about it.
1189[12:39:11] <magnetophon> terr__: without nomodeset, I get a black screen pretty soon after boot
1190[12:39:28] <ratrace> terr__: dpkg -L aptitude | grep bin also dpkg -L aptitude-common | grep bin
1191[12:39:45] <terr__> I am looking and I see the package debootstrap. I also see debootstick
1192[12:39:53] <magnetophon> terr__: with nomodeset, tty 1-6 work normally, and tty7 stays in text-mode
1193[12:40:39] <magnetophon> terr__: tty7 displays some text about the network being OK, and then nothing. no prompt, no reaction to typing
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1195[12:41:01] <terr__> magnetophon, its been years. Check the docs on startx - I am almost certain there is a log. I forget where it lives. THe computer I would use to check has unfortunately passed away.
1196[12:41:15] <terr__> magnetophon, my son passed away also.
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1198[12:41:36] <magnetophon> terr__: I'm sorry to hear that.
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1200[12:41:57] <terr__> ratrace, thanks.
1201[12:42:08] <magnetophon> terr__: the log is at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
1202[12:42:13] <magnetophon> terr__: it says:
1203[12:42:33] <terr__> magnetophon, well I am a bit pissed off. The cops shot his wife. THey were not even married a year.
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1205[12:43:00] <terr__> magnetophon, pop it into termbin.
1206[12:43:34] <magnetophon> terr__: OK, gotta find out how first though. one sec
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1208[12:44:12] <terr__> magnetophon, just google Joseph larson jessica patterson. I was out of commission for over 3 years. I am just getting back to these computers. I couldn't work.
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1211[12:45:19] <magnetophon> terr__: termbin.com/78wd
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1213[12:45:25] <terr__> THis stupid timer. I set it. Do I have to stop x and restart? if so how - defualt is to go directly into x. usually I boot into a command prompt and use startx... but its been years now.
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1216[12:46:22] <terr__> magnetophon, you forgot to include your passwords.
1217[12:46:23] <magnetophon> terr__: wow, terrible story. sorry for your loss
1218[12:46:35] <magnetophon> terr__: ??? passwords?
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1222[12:47:15] <terr__> yes - he was on hte dean's list. He set up (was the muscle to do it ) and co owner of Mountain Park Real Estate and he was 24 when he did it.
1223[12:47:37] <terr__> magnetophon, LOL.... gotta find humor somewhere.
1224[12:47:45] <magnetophon> terr__: hah
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1227[12:48:25] <terr__> 631.222] (EE) Cannot run in framebuffer mode. Please specify busIDs
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1230[12:49:22] <magnetophon> terr__: yeah, I noticed. the web gave some suggestion on that, but none of them worked for me
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1233[12:50:20] <terr__> well it wants the busid. someone suggested lspci
1234[12:50:29] <terr__> I presume its on a pci interface
1235[12:50:45] <terr__> I do not know this - I am just guessing.
1236[12:51:21] <magnetophon> so how do I give it the busid?
1237[12:51:35] <magnetophon> lspci | grep VGA gives me:
1238[12:51:46] <magnetophon> 01:00.0
1239[12:51:56] <magnetophon> that's the busid, right?
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1241[12:52:07] <terr__> I don't know.
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1245[12:54:57] <terr__> Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfbdevhw.so
1246[12:55:30] <terr__> look in your x config for this. And I forget what its called. ?xinitrc?
1247[12:55:43] <terr__> Its been like 10 years since I did this.
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1253[12:56:29] <terr__> magnetophon, and I spent the last 3 on estate affairs... like I had to handle 3 foreclosures and this is STILL not done. And I didn't bother hiring a lawyer to help.
1254[12:58:07] <terr__> when you have a kids on the dean's list in finance and he's buying his first condo in 2nd year! with his own cash that he earned himself! then you cannot believe what he did to the banks! He missed a couple. and I don't know if he was in Europe.
1255[12:58:09] <terr__> yet
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1262[13:03:34] <terr__> ratrace, debootstrap looks good. I am reading the wiki now. THanks.
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1272[13:07:28] <jiggawattz> dpkg: welcome back
1273[13:07:30] <dpkg> it's good to be home :)
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1280[13:12:09] <budlight> hi
1281[13:13:28] <magnetophon> budlight: o/
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1283[13:13:56] <lovelytingy> hey guys help me i just broke my system while installing modules pyPDF2. Now i have python2.7,python3.7 & python3.8 but none pf them i configured and im not able to start some apps like terminal
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1312[13:35:42] <peterandre> hi, why does lsb_release -a just show debian 10 (buster). how to upgrade to 10.3 ? i tried apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade
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1315[13:35:55] <peterandre> i want to check if 10.3 is installed
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1317[13:36:33] <peterandre> apt-get dist-upgrade didnt work either
1318[13:36:39] <peterandre> said everything is up-to-date
1319[13:37:05] <sbug> cat /etc/debian_version
1320[13:37:18] <peterandre> hmm
1321[13:37:20] <peterandre> that worked
1322[13:37:21] <peterandre> cool
1323[13:37:22] <peterandre> 10.3
1324[13:37:24] <peterandre> thanks
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1328[13:37:49] <peterandre> sorry about that. thanks :)
1329[13:38:00] <sbug> you're welcome
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1333[13:45:32] <terr__> replaced-url
1334[13:45:32] <terr__> - its a USB pendrive. Note - there is also sda and this is an internal HDD with windows installed. I intend to back it up using ddrescue then repartition and install buster
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1362[14:08:46] <terr__> Mathisen, thanks for your help. I will not make the mistake of even trying to look into ##windows. talk about *()*(I()
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1364[14:09:11] <Mathisen> you know i am a op in there and dont talk *** about another chans please. you on your own now
1365[14:10:02] <eggbean> peterandre: Are you the real Peter Andre? Never took you for a Debian guy. More of a Mint sort of person I would have thought.
1366[14:10:06] <terr__> I didn't know you are an op - and it doesn't really matter because I really don't have any windows issues at all. It works and has been for years.
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1368[14:10:51] <peterandre> eggbean, just a nickname i picked (not the real Peter Andre from the song :P
1369[14:11:00] <terr__> I am trying to figure out how to get the partition ID's set so I can use debootstrap and get buster running.
1370[14:11:02] <eggbean> Oh
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1377[14:17:13] <linux> anyone here?
1378[14:17:18] <Mathisen> yep
1379[14:17:24] <linux> Client: HexChat 2.14.3 • OS: Parrot "rolling" 4.8 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2450M CPU @ 2.50GHz (798MHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.4 GiB Total (5.1 GiB Free) Swap: 291.0 GiB Total (291.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 59.5 GB / 306.5 GB (247.1 GB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GF119M [GeForce 610M] @ Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family DRAM Controller • Uptime: 5h 47m 31s
1380[14:17:43] <Mathisen> linux, no need for the system scripts
1381[14:17:46] <towo`> parrot is not supported here
1382[14:18:09] <eggbean> linux: Nobody cares
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1384[14:18:42] <linux> who the fuck said nobody cares?? did i ask you speak?
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1387[14:19:48] <joepublic> I second the "nobody cares" - that's good information to have
1388[14:20:06] <ratrace> thirded.
1389[14:20:28] <Mathisen> i join that also
1390[14:21:26] <jungsdao> what is this chatroom for?
1391[14:21:36] <Mathisen> debian suport
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1393[14:21:49] <jungsdao> Just started.. curious!
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1395[14:23:15] <Mathisen> ,v sudo
1396[14:23:16] <terr__> replaced-url
1397[14:23:17] <judd> Package: sudo on amd64 -- jessie: 1.8.10p3-1+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1.8.10p3-1+deb8u7; stretch: 1.8.19p1-2.1+deb9u2; stretch-security: 1.8.19p1-2.1+deb9u2; buster-security: 1.8.27-1+deb10u1; buster: 1.8.27-1+deb10u2; bullseye: 1.8.31-1; sid: 1.8.31-1
1398[14:23:35] <Mathisen> why is not buster sudo version yet updated :(
1399[14:24:08] <ratrace> Mathisen: it's patched for that latest CVE if you're asking about that
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1401[14:24:31] <Mathisen> i thought it needed 1.8.31
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1403[14:24:51] <ratrace> Mathisen: fixes are backported
1404[14:24:55] <Mathisen> ahh
1405[14:25:16] <ratrace> Mathisen: apt-get changelog sudo
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1409[14:27:27] <terr__> fdisk -u, --units[=unit] this will solve a problem. I should be able to repartition (and lose some space) and end up with matching partitions across various media. But still not way to change anything
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1413[14:29:57] <terr__> been years. fdisk is interactive. I should be okay
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1419[14:33:35] <terr__> ahhh! I think I know what this thing did. It created an extended partition and then put my NTFS as a logical partition inside it. Why didn't it say so.
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1426[14:41:37] <deepfreez> Hi, anyone know where I can get the firmware for wifi rt28070? kernel 5.4 :(
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1428[14:42:27] <dvs> deepfreez, did you compile the kernel yourself?
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1430[14:42:55] <deepfreez> no
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1433[14:43:17] <dvs> deepfreez, then it might be in the firmware-non-free package in backports
1434[14:43:26] <deepfreez> I have a asus usb n14 wireless-n300 :(
1435[14:43:38] <deepfreez> I try to install backports too but no result
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1453[14:51:39] <Mathisen> deepfreez, is it this one ? replaced-url
1454[14:51:48] <Mathisen> if so they got linux drivers for it right there
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1461[14:53:09] <Mathisen> mevermind mised the "suported linux kernel" on the page
1462[14:53:13] <deepfreez> Supported Linux kernel : 2.6.x
1463[14:53:13] <deepfreez> MasterNayru
1464[14:53:17] <Mathisen> yeah my bad
1465[14:53:23] <deepfreez> :((
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1483[15:04:56] <bacoder> hey
1484[15:05:05] <bacoder> I am using buster here, and my wireless is not working
1485[15:05:08] <bacoder> what should I do?
1486[15:05:25] <dvs> !firmware
1487[15:05:25] <dpkg> Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. replaced-url
1488[15:05:27] <bacoder> machine not exactly recent, 2+ years old
1489[15:06:57] <bacoder> dvs: I know wtf a firmware is, can you tell me what I need to do to fix this?
1490[15:07:14] <bacoder> or are we in a dictionary contest ?
1491[15:07:54] <dvs> bacoder, apt -t buster-backports install firmware-non-free
1492[15:07:59] <dvs> there, spoonfed
1493[15:08:01] <bacoder> thank you
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1497[15:09:43] <bacoder> E: The value 'buster-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
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1499[15:10:01] <bacoder> I don't recall the name of the repo I need to add to sources.list
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1501[15:10:51] <dvs> !buster sources.list
1502[15:10:52] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
1503[15:11:21] <dvs> nope, not that.
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1505[15:11:48] <bacoder> "deb replaced-url
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1508[15:12:14] <dvs> almost, but you need "contrib non-free" at the end
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1510[15:13:28] <bacoder> deb replaced-url
1511[15:13:36] <dvs> better
1512[15:13:47] <bacoder> E: Unable to locate package firmware-non-free
1513[15:14:05] <dvs> ,v firmware-linux-nonfree
1514[15:14:07] <judd> Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20190114-2; buster-backports/non-free: 20190717-2~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 20190717-2; sid/non-free: 20190717-2
1515[15:14:09] <dvs> my bad
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1517[15:15:46] <bacoder> then... what is the name of the package, I am sorry?
1518[15:16:09] <dvs> firmware-linux-nonfree
1519[15:16:30] <bacoder> lol sorry I am still asleep
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1522[15:17:34] <bacoder> i guess I'll reboot now and see what happens... thanks a bunch
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1524[15:17:41] <dvs> np
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1530[15:22:16] <bacoder> hey again
1531[15:22:26] <bacoder> I was hoping to see some wireless icon there at gnome
1532[15:22:32] <bacoder> but nothing shows
1533[15:22:48] <dvs> I don't use Gnome, sorry
1534[15:23:20] <bacoder> how can I know if it works, then?
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1537[15:24:23] <dvs> bacoder, type "ip link" to see that it shows up
1538[15:24:31] <bacoder> I don't this works because packae 'network-manager' is installed and it should just work
1539[15:24:50] <bacoder> yes exactly no wireless interface
1540[15:24:55] <dvs> ,v network-manager-gui
1541[15:24:56] <judd> No package named 'network-manager-gui' was found in amd64.
1542[15:25:13] <bacoder> only enp60s0 and lo
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1545[15:27:16] <dvs> oh? I assume you have an ethernet connection.
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1547[15:28:08] <bacoder> I do....
1548[15:28:14] <bacoder> but I want to get wireless to work
1549[15:28:32] <bacoder> 3b:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 [8086:08b1] (rev bb)
1550[15:28:40] <bacoder> is this a problem ?
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1552[15:29:01] <dvs> ,pciid 8086:08b1
1553[15:29:02] <judd> [8086:08b1] is 'Wireless 7260' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also replaced-url
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1555[15:29:13] <dvs> shouldn't be
1556[15:30:34] <Antoine> Hello, I updated cups today and it said "insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `cups' overrides LSB defaults (2 3 4 5). insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (1 2 3 4 5) of script `cups' overrides LSB defaults (1)."
1557[15:31:02] <Antoine> Where is this 'cups' script? Should I change anything?
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1565[15:33:55] <bacoder> now it seems that the wifi icon is already available
1566[15:34:13] <bacoder> I usually dont use gnome also but, when it is working it serves as a good indicator
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1614[16:11:01] <terr__> how do I get grub installed in the boot partition - I'll be using debootstrap. I think I have the linux partition done. Also I see the extended partition is ID=f, I am use to ID=5... can someone tell me the signficance - like does it make a difference? My plan is to leave it as is.
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1644[16:26:00] <terr__> I need some guidence on getting grub installed in a new HDD - I am planning on using debootstrap to load buster the question is: Will debootstrap automatically install grub and will it set up the MBR to boot into the proper partition? Do I need to set the partition as active?
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1756[16:49:33] <terr__> Does debootstrap populate an MBR? Can it? I don't think it has access to it.
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1758[16:49:58] <ratrace> terr__: nope. debootstrap only sets up the base packages
1759[16:50:16] <ratrace> you'll need to chroot into it and install/setup the kernel and initramfs and grub
1760[16:50:24] <terr__> rathought so.
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1763[16:51:12] <terr__> should I do this before I use debootstrap? Or *MUST* I do it after?
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1765[16:51:35] <ratrace> there's nothing to chroot into if you don't debootstrap first.
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1767[16:51:46] <terr__> i see we still have initrd.
1768[16:52:37] <terr__> ratrace, I did mount the partition. I can umount it but it looks to me debootstrap wants it mounted
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1771[16:53:10] <ratrace> terr__: debootstrap needs the directory/mountpoint which will be the rootfs
1772[16:53:11] <KaiForce> I'm installing remotely over SSH to an Arm based device... I am getting an error that says "No kernel modules were found" and that the files I am installing from may have an older Kernel than the one available in the mirror. I just did this same install on Friday to an identical device - is there a way for me to safely proceed with the installation the way things are?
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1774[16:53:49] <terr__> I can run the installer - also I have that partition already formatted. I would expect debootstrap needs this.
1775[16:54:26] <ratrace> terr__: again, debootstrap only sets up the base OS packages. as if you ran apt install base-packages --destination=/target/rootfs
1776[16:54:32] <ratrace> I made up those, just for example
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1781[16:55:34] <terr__> I expect debootstrap will copy in ../boot/vmlinuz - so that is the kernel. I just need to get the address into grub... and the address of grub into the MBR
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1783[16:55:55] <terr__> that makes sense.
1784[16:56:06] <ratrace> terr__: the base packages are the minimum needed for an OS to operate, sans the kernel. so when you chroot into it, it has the shell, glibc, binutils, root user and all the basic infrastructure for the OS, _without_ the kernel and initramfs (so good for containers as well)
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1787[16:56:45] <terr__> I have forgotten what chroot does.
1788[16:57:01] <ratrace> terr__: debootstrap will not set up /boot/vmlinuz. you need to chroot into the rootfs created by debootstrap, and apt install linux-image-amd64 or whichever
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1790[16:57:31] <ratrace> now, whether /boot is a mountpoint or not, is irrelevant for debootstrap
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1792[16:58:01] <terr__> that makes sense.
1793[16:58:37] <terr__> It should not matter when I install the kernel - I should do it before I use debootstrap.
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1795[16:58:39] <ratrace> don't forget to set up resolv.conf before you try apt in chroot, you can copy it from the "host"
1796[16:58:54] <autopsy> terr, chroot changes the current root filesystem, to <new root> so as root user, do dnf --installroot=/pub install bash && chroot /pub ;;;;; what you will see is it will /pub will become your / filesystem and it execuites /bin/bash to give you a shell
1797[16:59:41] <ratrace> autopsy: dnf? wrong chan, buddy.
1798[16:59:44] <autopsy> amirite gais?
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1800[16:59:57] <ratrace> also you can't chroot without bind mounting dev, sys and procfs first
1801[17:00:11] <autopsy> yes youre right.
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1803[17:00:33] <terr__> autopsy, as I recall (because I have done this before) when I chroot whatever directory becomes / and I won't see the old file system. At that point when I exit the shell it will reappear.
1804[17:00:49] <autopsy> yes
1805[17:01:26] <autopsy> but remember to munt proc dev and sys on proc devtmpfs and sysfs
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1808[17:02:13] <autopsy> or it wi not let you mount or use ps or stuf.
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1814[17:04:07] <terr__> autopsy, I need to get some files in there first. Its a fresh HDD. I just partitioned it and changed the ID for this partition over to 83
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1816[17:04:18] <terr__> It is formatted (NTFS)
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1820[17:08:30] <ratrace> you can't install linux on NTFS
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1824[17:09:53] <joepublic> one absolutely can "install linux" on NTFS; the question is advisability and fitness of purpose
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1826[17:11:01] <ratrace> no. debian needs a posix compatible fs. needs xattrs and acls. permissions system, and all of that.
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1828[17:11:26] <joepublic> linux != Debian
1829[17:11:29] <rozie> Debian is not Linux
1830[17:11:53] <ratrace> ...
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1832[17:12:42] <joepublic> Debian GNU/Linux is an instance of class "Operating Systems with a Linux Kernel". So is Android.
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1835[17:13:35] <terr__> wait - I think that partition in fact is fat32.
1836[17:13:44] <joepublic> still a poor choice.
1837[17:13:58] <ratrace> it's even worse
1838[17:13:59] <KaiForce> ok maybe easier question - in the remote install SSH session, how do I get to the the shell (it lists 1-installer 2-shell 3-shell) at the top of the screen...
1839[17:14:36] <terr__> YUP fat32. so I did that right. Its windows that needs NTFS.
1840[17:15:03] <rozie> let's don't forget GNU/kFreeBSD and GNU/Hurd
1841[17:15:09] <ratrace> terr__: you can't install linux^WDebian/GNU Linux onto fat32 and expect it to boot and operate properly.
1842[17:15:30] <KaiForce> I have an updated initrd and boot image, I just need to figure out how to get them into /boot/
1843[17:16:12] <joepublic> well, GNU+other kernels hardly has anything to do with Linux
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1849[17:17:11] <terr__> ratrace, I thiught the docs said to use FAT32. I can reformat it - no big deal. what should I use? ext
1850[17:17:17] <joepublic> Linux gets most of the attention for a reason.
1851[17:17:42] <e-psycho> anyone help me with encryped lvm, and grub, i updated buster and now i'm not being prompted for my encryption passphrase at boot with the new kernel
1852[17:17:49] <terr__> I wanted FAT32 so I can access the files from anything but the truth is I'll never use anything other than linux to access those files.
1853[17:18:57] <ratrace> terr__: use ext4 if you don't know which linux native filesystem to use. FAT32 is needed only for the ESP if you intend to boot via EFI
1854[17:19:00] <joepublic> ext 3/4 partitions will behave more as you probably will expect
1855[17:19:00] <e-psycho> i can decrypt the partition manually and access all the data, and chroot into the root partition
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1857[17:19:36] <terr__> originally I had to install from a windows sytsem because that is all I had - NOT TRUE anymore. I have debian running. I am far more familiar with linux than windows and only used windows because I could get a working maching for like CDN$50 bux
1858[17:19:54] <terr__> efi is NOT possible.
1859[17:19:58] <ratrace> e-psycho: did /etc/crypttab change, or UUIDs it's addressing?
1860[17:20:03] <terr__> hardware will noit support it.
1861[17:20:06] <joepublic> no efi, no need for a fat partition for efi
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1863[17:20:31] <terr__> great!
1864[17:20:38] <e-psycho> ratrace: ya know, im not sure, at first i could boot to an old kernel, but then i did something and botched that up too
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1866[17:21:00] <terr__> okay - so shoudl I unmount the partition or just reformat with it mounted.
1867[17:21:18] <ratrace> e-psycho: you'll need to boot or chroot into the rootfs in order to analyze and fix it.
1868[17:21:25] <e-psycho> ratrace: yeah, i can do that
1869[17:21:26] <terr__> I think it HAS to be mounted for reformatting.
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1873[17:21:59] <ratrace> terr__: you can't "format" (call mkfs) a device which is mounted
1874[17:22:06] <ratrace> call mkfs on*
1875[17:22:10] <terr__> itsfoss.com is full of damn advertizing
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1877[17:22:33] <kiel> S3xyL1nux
1878[17:22:41] <terr__> no worries. I'll just umount it.
1879[17:22:49] <terr__> let me try
1880[17:23:38] <terr__> man mkfs sys it will make ext2
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1882[17:23:56] <ratrace> terr__: use mkfs.ext4
1883[17:24:13] <terr__> man mkfs says it will make ext2 by default. this is a tiny partition - just meant to be able to manage the system for backups.
1884[17:24:25] <ratrace> terr__: use ext4 unless you know what you're doing
1885[17:24:48] <terr__> ratrace. okay. I know you know what you are talking about. And I have not read up on ext4
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1889[17:25:36] <terr__> this will take a few minutes.
1890[17:26:01] <Ede|Popede> terr__: i *had* an old ext2 fs on this pc on squeeze. guess which one took forever to fsck after hard system reboots.
1891[17:26:38] <joepublic> excellent advice -> "use ext4 unless you know what you're doing"
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1893[17:28:04] <terr__> running.
1894[17:28:07] <ratrace> Ede|Popede: ext2 has no journaling so it was probably corrupt, rotten and damned :)
1895[17:28:31] <terr__> I do appreciate the help.
1896[17:28:46] <KaiForce> of course this mofo installation procedure I carefully crafted failed on the critical system!
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1898[17:29:06] <ratrace> terr__: btw, mkfs.ext4 is just a symlink to mke2fs which would be called by mkfs -t ext4 so it's all the same thing. default for mkfs without explicit -t is, indeed, ext2
1899[17:29:35] <terr__> There we are. its ext4 now! :-)
1900[17:29:52] <Ede|Popede> ratrace: indeed :)
1901[17:30:16] <terr__> ya - I saw that. I may be rusty but I have not forotten everything and its coming back
1902[17:30:45] <terr__> I have it mounted. I see lost+found. I have a file system
1903[17:30:51] <Ede|Popede> one of the nice design patterns in linux is that some programs change their behavoiour depending on argv[0]
1904[17:31:00] <terr__> and the right one to boot! (pardon the pun)
1905[17:31:00] <Ede|Popede> terr__: congrats
1906[17:31:08] <joepublic> busybox is especially good at that
1907[17:31:14] <Ede|Popede> heh right
1908[17:31:54] <terr__> Ede|Popede, I also tell my social worker I would not be here doing this without her help.
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1912[17:33:05] <terr__> okay - now I have not set an active partition and I do not have gub installed. IE - regardless it is not bootable. I need to make it bootable. I would normally use grub-install and debian-install.
1913[17:33:06] <KaiForce> I think I am baked... No kernel modules means no disk access, no disk access means I can't copy the new boot files... I'm going to have to do this install on-site. *(*&(%&%
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1915[17:34:09] <terr__> KaiForce, I think so.. but ratrace and others are far closer to god than me.
1916[17:34:51] <joepublic> please note that I am mostly just a grumpy loudmouth
1917[17:34:58] <joepublic> not an expert as such
1918[17:36:21] <KaiForce> I think I'm a victim of unfortunate timing... I was using boot files provided to on 1/14 and I used the same ones on Friday successfully... I see that new boot files were created yesterday for this system, probably to fix this problem... I have so much data to copy to this system that it would be really nice to get it setup today but I have a alternate solution that it looks like I'm...
1919[17:36:23] <KaiForce> ...going to have to implement
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1921[17:37:40] <terr__> KaiForce, can you put your hands on the machine?
1922[17:37:49] <terr__> or do you hae someone who can?
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1924[17:38:25] <KaiForce> I
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1926[17:39:27] <KaiForce> 20 mile drive... I know I can pulll the drive and copy the boot files to it and resolve this...
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1931[17:40:29] <e-psycho> ratrace: any suggestions on how to fix the encrypted lvm root partition grub problem
1932[17:40:44] <terr__> do you use a car or a bicycle?
1933[17:41:00] <KaiForce> both, why? it is winter here so car now
1934[17:41:23] <ratrace> e-psycho: I already told you what to check, /etc/crypttab UUIDs. But, first, actually describe what's going on really. boot fails complaining it can't find rootfs and it never prompted for the passphrase?
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1936[17:42:49] <e-psycho> i already checked the uuid in /etc/crypttab, looks the same as it always has, i am not being prompted for a decryption passphrase at boot
1937[17:43:26] <terr__> TrustedInstaller just started up AGAIN (this machine is windows 7). It might not be for long
1938[17:43:26] <KaiForce> e-psycho: do the UUIDs match the partition?
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1940[17:43:44] <ratrace> e-psycho: do you have "initramfs" in crypttab options?
1941[17:44:11] <e-psycho> yes, its /dev/sda5 that is encrypted and contains the lvm root partion, as well as swap and my /home partitions
1942[17:44:26] <e-psycho> that devices uuid is what is in /etc/crypttab
1943[17:45:37] <e-psycho> at boot, i get "Cannot process volume group" and "Volume Group "Saros-vg" not found"
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1945[17:46:32] <e-psycho> but i got those errors before i updated and everything still worked, e.g. i was still prompted for a passphrase and able to boot the system
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1949[17:47:58] <KaiForce> thanks for the help everyone... the system i installed Friday is an exact duplicate of the system I was trying to install Debian on today.. I will change its configuration and put it into the "critical" role and deal with my broken machine tomorrow...
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1967[17:57:28] <e-psycho> replaced-url
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1969[17:58:02] <e-psycho> not sure which thing i f***** up, but maybe that can help identify my problem
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1975[17:59:12] <e-psycho> yes, cryptsetup and cryptsetup-initramfs are installed
1976[17:59:12] <ratrace> e-psycho: do you have "initramfs" in crypttab options?
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1979[17:59:47] <e-psycho> no, i don't believe so
1980[17:59:57] <ratrace> try adding it
1981[18:01:22] <ratrace> and of course don't forget to rebuild initramfs from the chroot
1982[18:01:34] <e-psycho> ok, what is proper format for that? just a comma and the option?
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1985[18:02:01] <e-psycho> e.g. sda5_crypt UUID=someUUID none luks,initramfs ???
1986[18:02:06] <e-psycho> or space
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1990[18:02:16] <ratrace> e-psycho: luks,initramfs
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1992[18:03:30] <e-psycho> ah, now i get a new message while rebuilding initramfs
1993[18:03:42] <terr__> ratrace, lord linux is nice. It feels good to be home. (and I actually wrote a poem on this for my son when he was 6)
1994[18:03:50] <ratrace> e-psycho: pastebin pls
1995[18:04:08] <terr__> I just forgot most of the commands.
1996[18:04:45] <e-psycho> replaced-url
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1998[18:05:05] <terr__> would I be correct assuming that _all_ SD cards regardless of manufacturer are the same size? ie - if they are say 32 GiBs
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2001[18:05:36] <ratrace> e-psycho: did you unlock sda5 as sda5_crypt for the chroot?
2002[18:06:14] <e-psycho> no, i did "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda5 linux"
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2005[18:07:07] <e-psycho> prob should have done that differently i assume
2006[18:07:08] <ratrace> e-psycho: no good. initramfs crypto hooks require the entry in crypttab to exist in /dev/mapper at the moment of invocation. you'll have to unmount the chroot and reopen the LUKS container as sda5_crypt
2007[18:07:23] <e-psycho> ok, i'll give it a go
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2009[18:07:28] <e-psycho> thanks for the help btw
2010[18:07:35] <ratrace> no bother
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2016[18:09:10] <OS-63186> hi debian
2017[18:09:15] <terr__> I am resizing this partition - its about 32GiB and I am thinking - set to the smallest of the media I might use: smallest is a USB pendrive and fdisk shows 60437492 sectors. IS there any reason I should not use this number?
2018[18:10:16] <ratrace> terr__: that is ~30GB assuming 512b sectors
2019[18:10:16] <terr__> original was 62851072
2020[18:10:49] <terr__> ya - but linux and fdisk let me work in #sectors. Windows wouldn't even show me this information.
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2022[18:11:09] <terr__> replaced-url
2023[18:11:18] <terr__> ^^ fdisk -l
2024[18:11:31] <ratrace> I prefer parted. it can use sectors or mega,mebi,giga,gibi bytes, whatever you select
2025[18:11:49] <terr__> well - I'm in fdisk.
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2030[18:15:05] <e-psycho> ratrace: heeeey, no errors running update-initramfs this time
2031[18:15:40] <ratrace> yup
2032[18:16:06] <KaiForce> exit
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2034[18:16:19] <terr__> I ask for +60437492 and fdisk gives me 60437493
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2036[18:18:25] <terr__> I am thinking. I might copy a 32 GiB SD or USB pendrive ONTO this HDD (1 TB) but I will NEVER copy from the HDD to either... or would I? Why would I want to?
2037[18:18:32] <e-psycho> ratrace: asking me for my passphrase now, thanks a lot, seems i might have bigger problems
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2041[18:21:34] <wwilliam> anyone here uses vpnc connection from command line?
2042[18:21:55] <e-psycho> a lot of things are failing to start now, and thats preventing the system from booting normally i guess
2043[18:22:45] <wwilliam> how do i install this in buster?
2044[18:22:46] <wwilliam> The VPN service 'org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.l2tp' was not installed."
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2046[18:23:56] <terr__> ratrace, I am goign to leave all this partitioning as it is. I am over thinking myself - looking for ghosts where none my be. I can change it later if I find a reason to do so.
2047[18:23:59] <wwilliam> Feb 09 12:22:15 Inspiron NetworkManager[811]: <info> [1581268935.0196] audit: op="connection-activate" uuid="15faf4c0-225c-41b1-8102-a523d582b2d1" name="CCS" pid=6333 uid=1000 result="fail" reason="The VPN service 'org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.l2tp' was not installed."
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2053[18:28:25] <terr__> This makes no sense! the instuctions say - partition then use debootstrap - but - debootstrap cannot create the boot steps. 1st is MBR where the available partitions and operating system are noted and the 2nd step is the actual loader pulling in the selected os... NONE of those addresses nor where they are stored are available to debootstrap replaced-url
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2061[18:31:42] <e-psycho> ok, i am apparently back to my original problem, before f'ed up my booting
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2063[18:32:01] <e-psycho> anyone know what this "unknown rela relocation: 4" message means
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2065[18:32:24] <countdr> e-psycho: program?
2066[18:32:31] <e-psycho> i get it when trying to build the nvidia drivers, but also vbox module is doing it too
2067[18:33:12] <sbug> wwilliam: There is a package named 'network-manager-l2tp' you can install
2068[18:33:13] <e-psycho> i read something that indicated it might have to do with the buildutils package, and that downgrading it might help, but there aren't any lesser version numbers available in the repos
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2072[18:34:18] <countdr> The nvidia headers are very small though.
2073[18:34:42] <roiredX> copying a backup of the EFI partition back to the EFI partition would help to let the windows bootloader where windows is?
2074[18:34:43] <ratrace> terr__: 1st you partition the disk. then you mkfs appropriate filesystems. if /boot is a mountpoint, you mkdir and mount it into the rootfs mounted filesystem, then you run debootstrap on the rootfs mountpoint
2075[18:35:11] <roiredX> let the windows bootloader know where windows is?
2076[18:35:13] <countdr> roiredX you may do that. If it is same size
2077[18:35:17] <ratrace> terr__: then you mount procfs, devtmpfs, sysfs and chroot into it, then from within it you install the kernel and grub.
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2081[18:36:32] <kreyren> How can i install rustlang backend on debian?
2082[18:36:35] <kreyren> apt install rustc ?
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2084[18:37:17] <terr__> ratrace, yes. /boot is a mount point and in my case it lives on sdb. The drive I am installing to is sdc. sdc is empty. I just repartitioned it and set sdc3 to ext4 it lives on
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2087[18:37:44] <countdr> kreyren: apt-cache show rustc
2088[18:38:04] <ratrace> terr__: if sdc is empty, why not have everything linux related (boot and rootfs) on it? and why separate /boot ? do you intend to encrypt rootfs or something?
2089[18:38:11] <kreyren> countdr, ty
2090[18:38:13] <terr__> okay - from within. That makes sense. what commands within?
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2094[18:38:53] <roiredX> ratrace, sometimes /boot needs to be a separate partition, in my case, Silverblue, it does
2095[18:38:57] <terr__> Nope - simple - I want grub to come up and let me choose to boot sdc3. Nothing special at all.
2096[18:39:22] <ratrace> terr__: then you don't need to separate /boot. KISS
2097[18:39:25] <sbug> kreyren: you probably want the latest rust since it is developing so fast. There is an installaer you can download and it will isntall rust in your home dir. See replaced-url
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2099[18:39:52] <kreyren> sbug, i'm setting up tests for debian build so i need debian-way of getting rust backend
2100[18:40:02] <ratrace> roiredX: that'd be the "or something" in my question
2101[18:40:03] <sbug> kreyren: ok
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2103[18:40:37] <terr__> roiredX, yes - it likely does have to be in your case. In my case and you can check fdisk -l here: replaced-url
2104[18:41:28] <ratrace> terr__: you could've still used GPT, even if you don't EFI
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2107[18:42:07] <terr__> ratrace, yup. I am placing linux in a boot partition - no reason not to.
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2109[18:42:24] <ratrace> you what?
2110[18:42:41] <roiredX> ratrace, terr__ , I see. countdr I just delete the actual files (presumed messed) from the actual EFI, and copy the "working" backup, that could do?
2111[18:42:56] <terr__> ratrace, I don't think this bois will even support it - and it doesn't make any difference on this disk. Its a backup disk that ends in a bank safty deposit box
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2114[18:43:49] <countdr> roiredX: That will only boot MS Windows
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2116[18:44:35] <terr__> roiredX, if its jsut the contents of the files. But remember - the boot loaders have to use sector addressing - the procedure is load the sector into memory and branch into it - that is all the boot loaders can do.
2117[18:44:41] <roiredX> countdr, this BM has 2 efi partitions, a windows one on drive B and a linux/haiku one on drive A
2118[18:45:03] <roiredX> so it is a bit messy..
2119[18:45:17] <roiredX> I see terr__ , more complicated
2120[18:45:17] <countdr> Drive A has different size to drive B
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2122[18:45:37] <roiredX> drive A has a windows EFI partition and window system partition
2123[18:45:46] <roiredX> drive B
2124[18:45:47] <terr__> roiredX, remeber - I did this 20 years ago using CHS addressing! and FAT32 did not exist.
2125[18:46:10] <roiredX> drive A has linux/haiku efi partition, and fedora lvm plus /boot partition
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2127[18:46:15] <roiredX> drive C has haiku partition
2128[18:46:25] <countdr> roiredX: I advise you to turn off and disconnect one drive. Less risk
2129[18:46:26] <roiredX> is a bit messy due to silverblue's boot peculiarities
2130[18:46:36] <roiredX> countdr, XD
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2133[18:47:26] <terr__> roiredX, you are way more complicated than what I face... and I still ahve not figured out how to install grub on that new drive. I think what I will do is get debootstrap running. it will take a while... and I've got the ext4 partition ready to mount.
2134[18:48:08] <roiredX> terr__, XD, yep... a bit complex of a setup here...
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2137[18:49:20] <terr__> roiredX, well multiboot NT3.5 4.0 OS/2 warp and Linux was complicated as well.
2138[18:49:47] <HiddenDjinn> yeah, it was
2139[18:49:48] <roiredX> well, that is the old times.. OS/2 Warp... the 90's
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2141[18:50:20] <roiredX> I also did test OS/2, as well as BeOS back then
2142[18:50:28] <roiredX> XD
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2145[18:50:47] <terr__> install an OS. use dd and copy the boot sector. install the next os, use dd and lift the boot sector. Eventually tell LILO where the boot sectors were copied to and all has to be withing the first (I don't remember) sectors. Ugghh. But it worked
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2147[18:51:13] <e-psycho> ratrace: got her all fixed up, thanks again for the help, i spent hours googling before i decided to ask
2148[18:51:26] <roiredX> LILO!!! wow... long time no see XD
2149[18:51:46] <HiddenDjinn> i remember installing a 3rd party boot selector
2150[18:51:46] <terr__> yup ELO wrote a song about the good old 1980s and lamented his computer wasn't IBM.
2151[18:52:16] <terr__> I'll bet that old computer still runs!
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2153[18:53:09] <terr__> ya - I did that in the 1990's. Bought my first comeputer for over $10,000 1986 the day the space shuttle blew up.
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2155[18:53:51] <annadane> challenger was your fault!
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2157[18:54:06] <HiddenDjinn> if only nasa had that computer...lol
2158[18:54:30] <dudz> first pc for me was a cyrax 233mhz, i only bought the motherboard+cpu+ram as a combo from a computer fair, second hand hw, scrounged a case and hdd from around the house
2159[18:55:02] <HiddenDjinn> my first ibm-compatible was a 486dx2
2160[18:55:34] <HiddenDjinn> my first computer was a trs-80 color computer 3
2161[18:55:51] <dudz> born 1985 here
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2164[18:56:14] <HiddenDjinn> dudz, i'm not much older, born in 78
2165[18:56:26] <dudz> .o/
2166[18:56:33] <roiredX> the first one I used was the HP-86B, then the touch screen HP-150
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2168[18:56:37] <roiredX> none mine, though...
2169[18:56:51] <countdr> My first Linux was AMD 800 Mhz
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2171[18:56:55] <terr__> there I am. My mount point is /buster!!! of all choices of names eh. debootstrap buster /buster <--- should do it. should I be in root?
2172[18:56:56] <roiredX> I'm going to run a test at reboot, BRB
2173[18:57:03] <HiddenDjinn> oh, first one i used was the old trs-80 that connected to the television screen
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2175[18:57:09] <HiddenDjinn> then apple iie
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2182[18:58:41] <terr__> this isn't even the fun stuff yet. As churchhill said: this is not the beginning. Its not even the beginning of the beginning.
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2184[18:59:05] <terr__> I have Raspian to go and then get it talking to arduinos
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2188[19:00:06] <terr__> running as root. Should be jest fine
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2190[19:01:43] <terr__> script should check if running as root and make a comment for newbies like me.
2191[19:02:26] <terr__> I am very anal. I will not poke my finger into a light socket until I know a lot about the socket.
2192[19:02:52] <annadane> how about not sticking fingers into any sockets?
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2194[19:03:57] <terr__> how is anyone suppose to talk to a socket if you are afraid of sticking your finger in?
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2197[19:04:40] <joepublic> I have got along pretty well not talking to sockets via my electrified finger.
2198[19:04:42] <hamilton> S3xyL1nux inlove with whores world wide
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2200[19:05:13] <countdr> Linux is cheap
2201[19:05:38] <terr__> I don't get it. top says 550 cpu(s) and the display said 100%
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2203[19:05:58] <HelloShitty> Hello everyone
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2206[19:06:10] <joepublic> you have an rpi with 550 cpus? it must be huge
2207[19:06:15] <HelloShitty> Can anyone tell me what is the difference of installing some package using apt and using dpkg ?
2208[19:06:18] <terr__> s/550/50%/ I have a sticky key
2209[19:06:27] <countdr> apt is quick
2210[19:06:28] <joepublic> apt resolves dependencies and dpkg doesn't.
2211[19:06:28] <annadane> HelloShitty, apt is a higher level, user friendly tool
2212[19:06:31] <annadane> also that
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2215[19:06:48] <HelloShitty> hum, ok, thanks
2216[19:07:17] <annadane> (also, how do you still have that irc name without having been asked to change it)
2217[19:07:54] <countdr> terr__: Top works for me. I have 2 cores
2218[19:08:02] <terr__> this is running - looking great so far. But I wonder how big it will be.
2219[19:08:37] <countdr> terr__ htop has a break down into separate cores
2220[19:08:39] <terr__> this atom THINKS it has 2 cores. It doesn't - it has 2 instruction queue initiators
2221[19:09:07] <countdr> terr__ htop would show 550 gauges
2222[19:09:07] <terr__> My other machines have 4 REAL cores... much faster
2223[19:09:49] <terr__> thing is this old $50 machine still works and likely will do the job for everything I need to do!
2224[19:10:18] <countdr> $50 x 550 that is expensive
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2226[19:10:42] <terr__> $50 per machine. NO KIDDING.
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2228[19:11:21] <terr__> I got a new S9 cell phone from the phone company for $240
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2231[19:11:56] <kreyren> What package do i need on debian to resolve this? replaced-url
2232[19:11:58] <countdr> How cheap are phone chips? The cost of the phone is the battery
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2234[19:12:12] <terr__> $10 per month... and then they PhDed the bills. ANd I am not going to fix them unless they pay me.
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2239[19:13:42] <terr__> noooo this one has some glass and a plastic case. But I think you are pretty close. Phone company probably gets them for $5 bux
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2245[19:16:12] <terr__> this is going to take a while.
2246[19:16:26] <terr__> Time for me to take a break.
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2254[19:18:41] <roiredX> test failed
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2256[19:19:03] <roiredX> copying old working efi files didn't let windows boot...
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2260[19:21:06] <roiredX> well... looks like BackupFiles+Reinstall everything
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2263[19:22:03] <terr__> roiredX, what was the message?
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2265[19:22:19] <roiredX> no message...
2266[19:22:38] <terr__> so iut just blinked its cursor and looked stupid?
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2268[19:22:42] <roiredX> actually.. if I try to boot windows, it starts the circle of dots
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2270[19:22:53] <roiredX> and then, screen enters powersave mode
2271[19:22:59] <roiredX> and there it is
2272[19:23:05] <roiredX> 4ever
2273[19:23:08] <roiredX> same for Haiku
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2276[19:23:42] <terr__> I ask in ##windows (since you are in W10) - they don't like me there! Someone might know the boot stage when you see dot dot dot
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2278[19:24:33] <terr__> I suspect it needs the address of the 2nd stage boot loader adn if it has that then it needs the address of the kernel.
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2280[19:24:59] <terr__> You likely _can_ scan the disk looking for the signature.
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2284[19:25:09] <roiredX> the installation media didn't solve the issue either
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2287[19:25:29] <roiredX> uff, I don't know that much, terr__ XD
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2289[19:25:44] <roiredX> I presume was last Haiku update
2290[19:25:46] <terr__> ohhh! Base system installed successfully
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2292[19:26:01] <roiredX> as no info on haiku boot when calling efibootmgr
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2299[19:28:09] <terr__> roiredX, I don't know if I would look to do it that way. Its sort of like you need to use dd and read the partition. Issue is you need the sector address
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2302[19:29:10] <terr__> There likely is a util to do it. I know with work I could write one. My friend Jan would just spin it off - but then she wrote unix device drivers
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2305[19:29:51] <terr__> I don't know even what to google. But there are real pros here!
2306[19:30:09] <roiredX> i've been googling all afternoon... XD
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2308[19:30:37] <boku> sdf
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2310[19:30:49] <terr__> let me try - give me about 55 minutes. I want to see if there is a kernel installed
2311[19:31:39] <terr__> Nope - /boot is EMPTY
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2314[19:32:31] <boku> asda
2315[19:32:52] <terr__> okay = I can tackle that later. it likely will be really simple. This stuff is sort of like a religeon you know. Jesus could walk on water. How? He knew where the stepping stones were
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2328[19:38:25] <roiredX> BRB more testing need to be done
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2361[20:01:56] <nils_> I'm having an issue with mdadm, when creating a device it seems there are no longer any devices created in /dev/md/, I'm pretty sure this worked in the past. Is there a way to get them to appear?
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2364[20:04:26] <nils_> Alternatively, do the names md127, md126 stay persistent?
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2367[20:05:25] <Akuw> hi, how do the banks make backup? they use a mirror and one mirror externa?
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2371[20:07:46] <nils_> Akuw, mirror is not a backup, strictly speaking.
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2373[20:09:02] <nils_> Akuw, are you looking for a backup strategy or just curios?
2374[20:09:28] <Akuw> i have a home work and i have to plan bank backup strategy
2375[20:09:44] <Akuw> big amount of data
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2377[20:10:17] <Akuw> so, i guess there should be a local incremental backup and one external but that external should be deferential and sync
2378[20:10:19] <Akuw> ?
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2380[20:11:18] <Akuw> incremental
2381[20:12:13] <Akuw> then Full backup and Incremental Backup
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2384[20:13:41] <Akuw> and mirror too
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2386[20:14:15] <nils_> it really depends on what kind of failure you want to defend against. 3-2-1 is a strategy often used.
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2389[20:15:20] <Akuw> 3-2-1 ?
2390[20:15:23] <nils_> mirror is great for hardware failure, then you can use different storage media (optical and magnetic for example) since they are sensitive to different influences, then you can use different geographic locations
2391[20:15:24] <GNU\colossus> Akuw, forget solutions that make you devise a plan of alternating between "full" and "incremental" backups. there's better solutions available. look at BorgBackup and restic, for example.
2392[20:15:48] <Akuw> hummm
2393[20:15:59] <Akuw> let me seee, that is used by banks?
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2395[20:16:15] <nils_> I wouldn't use banks as an example, their tech is usually ancient and horrid ;)
2396[20:16:34] <Akuw> hehehehehe
2397[20:16:42] <nils_> what sort of backup strategy you use also depends on the type and amount of data
2398[20:17:01] <Akuw> well, scenario is a Financial Company
2399[20:17:12] <nils_> so security is a must
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2405[20:19:36] <nils_> Culled from the net, A 3-2-1 strategy means having at least 3 total copies of your data, 2 of which are local but on different mediums, and at least 1 copy offsite
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2410[20:20:57] <nils_> And with financial companies I guess it also depends on what kind of company, insurance, banking, brokerage, stock exchange, check cashing place ;)
2411[20:21:49] <Akuw> let talk about Baking
2412[20:21:56] <Akuw> Banking
2413[20:23:23] <nils_> usually a country has regulation regarding that.
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2419[20:28:35] <ealfonso> I discovered this morning my debian 10 VPS had rebooted unexpectedly. Looking at syslog, the only strange thing I noticed was a break consisting of many "^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^" chars. replaced-url
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2425[20:31:24] <nils_> ealfonso, figuring out why it was reset is probably the first step. Some providers unfortunately do this without notice or don't tell you.
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2427[20:32:19] <nils_> ealfonso, having some garbage at the end of the log file can happen if it wasn't closed cleanly and the filesystem not unmounted cleanly
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2430[20:33:38] <ealfonso> nils_ thanks. I will contact the provider and ask.
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2432[20:35:18] <ratrace> ealfonso: what about the journal?
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2437[20:43:05] <ealfonso> ratrace currently the journal's first entry (via journalctl) is after the restart.
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2448[20:48:13] <ratrace> ealfonso: do you have /var/log/kern.log? I can't remember if that's default or not
2449[20:48:29] <isarn> so launching a application from the desktop is an 'insecure location' ?
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2451[20:49:12] <ratrace> isarn: what?
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2454[20:49:55] <isarn> "untrusted application location" when I start app via desktop ratrace
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2456[20:50:42] <ratrace> isarn: that's gonna need a bit more context. which application, how are you starting it "via desktop", what is giving that message?
2457[20:51:02] <isarn> all of them
2458[20:51:17] <isarn> pulled them onto desktop from xfce4 pull down menu
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2461[20:51:39] <isarn> ratrace: I double click the icon on the desktop
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2463[20:51:54] <Guest50> Hi, I get a text file that looks like this: replaced-url
2464[20:52:27] <ratrace> isarn: replaced-url
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2475[20:56:39] <isarn> oh so maybe it is any file not in /usr/sbin hence might have been installed in error as .exe ?
2476[20:56:47] <roiredX> well.. no success
2477[20:56:59] <roiredX> tried to fix grub from a liveusb
2478[20:57:07] <roiredX> from a chroot...
2479[20:57:10] <roiredX> nothing
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2481[20:57:11] <qorg11> don't use a chroot
2482[20:57:20] <qorg11> in a liveusb
2483[20:57:25] <qorg11> # apt install grub2
2484[20:57:32] <roiredX> too late qorg11
2485[20:57:39] <qorg11> # mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
2486[20:57:50] <qorg11> # grub-install --root=/mnt /dev/sda
2487[20:57:52] <roiredX> can't apt... i'm on fedora and on efi
2488[20:57:52] <qorg11> and that should work
2489[20:57:55] <qorg11> oh
2490[20:58:03] <qorg11> then # dnf install grub2
2491[20:58:09] <qorg11> should be the same process
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2493[20:58:25] <roiredX> you are right about that
2494[20:58:31] <roiredX> :)
2495[20:58:55] <qorg11> a chroot won't work
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2497[20:58:59] <qorg11> instead do that
2498[20:59:15] <roiredX> ok... let me write down and reboot
2499[20:59:29] <qorg11> or you can just ctrl+d to exit the chroot
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2502[21:00:03] <roiredX> i'm not on the live usb now
2503[21:00:20] <roiredX> i have an issue that i can't change screen resolution
2504[21:00:30] <roiredX> and i presume has to do with grub
2505[21:00:34] <qorg11> oh
2506[21:00:39] <qorg11> xrandr?
2507[21:00:41] <roiredX> can't change anywhere
2508[21:00:43] <roiredX> wayland
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2510[21:00:46] <roiredX> :D
2511[21:00:56] <qorg11> X11 works?
2512[21:01:05] <roiredX> mmm.. let me check
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2518[21:03:24] <roiredX> qorg11, well, X11 even worse
2519[21:03:51] <roiredX> max resolution, as wayland 1280x800, and not using the whole screen
2520[21:04:08] <qorg11> and what it's supposed to be your resolution?
2521[21:04:17] <roiredX> 3440x1440
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2523[21:04:50] <roiredX> weird stuff going on
2524[21:04:53] <qorg11> xrandr -s 3440x1440 works?
2525[21:05:22] <roiredX> let me check
2526[21:05:23] <roiredX> brb
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2532[21:07:39] <roiredX> qorg11, nope... this issue is more serious than expected
2533[21:07:42] <roiredX> XD
2534[21:07:49] <roiredX> mode not available.
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2536[21:07:55] <jsync> Hey. Are source files still available for creating a Jessie mirror?
2537[21:08:13] <roiredX> thanks qorg11, terr__
2538[21:08:21] <qorg11> Did it work?
2539[21:08:25] <roiredX> nope
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2541[21:08:32] <roiredX> mode not available
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2543[21:08:54] <roiredX> I'm going to call it a day for today... have to cook dinner and get some rest
2544[21:09:01] <qorg11> see ya
2545[21:09:01] <roiredX> XD
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2548[21:09:14] <roiredX> thx
2549[21:09:14] <roiredX> bye
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2638[22:09:02] <tomg> Does Debian's exim do STARTTLS by default?
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2642[22:09:33] <qorg11> i don't think so
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2651[22:13:39] <tomg> i just did a wireshark and it does, at least on outgoing :)
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2654[22:14:16] <tomg> thanks though :)
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2665[22:17:56] <FJDelgado> Hi!
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2676[22:23:32] <FJDelgado> I have a partition with encrypted lvm on a SSD disk with 120gb, and I have another disk HDD with 1TB, I want to extend the home partition from the SSD disk to the entire HDD, do you know if this can be done?
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2678[22:24:05] <karlpinc> FJDelgado: You can if you're using LVM.
2679[22:24:22] <FJDelgado> I am, but don't find any tutorial of how2
2680[22:24:38] <FJDelgado> Encrypted LVM, exactly
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2804[22:25:11] <karlpinc> Your ssd is a physical volume (pv), or rather the encrypted device that corresponds to your ssd. Your HDD should be one too.
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2924[22:26:12] <karlpinc> FJDelgado: You then add the HDD pv to the volume group (vg) of which your home directory logical volume (lv) is a part.
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2947[22:26:47] <FJDelgado> karlpinc, do yo have any link to a tutorial or what to look for on google?
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2956[22:27:03] <karlpinc> FJDelgado: To do that you "man vgextend".
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2962[22:27:15] <FJDelgado> thx!!!
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2967[22:27:28] <karlpinc> FJDelgado: (Assuming your hd is already encrypted and is a pv.)
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2978[22:28:05] <karlpinc> FJDelgado: Then, you can lvextend (lvextend -L +XXXG say) your lv that is your home dir. (man lvextend)
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2986[22:29:12] <karlpinc> FJDelgado: Then you have to resize the fs on your home dir. (resize2fs /dev/....) The default is to make it larger to match your new lv size. (man resize2fs). (Assuming you've an ext2/3/4 file system.)
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3502[22:32:23] <karlpinc> So, if you have a new hdd. You encrypt it with luks. (man cryptsetup, make sure it is added to /etc/crypttab). Then you make it a pv. Then you add the pv to the vg. Then you extend your lv using the new space. Then you adjust the fs to the new (logical) partition size.
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8202[23:21:28] <Gerowen> Learning how to make my own .service file. Have it working, but I'm wondering, is there a way to add a custom "shutdown" argument so that instead of straight up killing the process, it runs a specific command? I'm using it to auto-launch Minecraft, and would like it to use my rcon script to save and stop the world properly when the service is stopped.
8203[23:22:18] <ratrace> Gerowen: ExecStop, systemd.service(5) manpage
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8206[23:24:37] <jsync> Hello. Can I still get the debian Jessie source files?
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8215[23:30:32] <JordiGH> So I've been having a miserable time with Firefox ESR for a while: replaced-url
8216[23:30:52] <JordiGH> Today I tried downloading Firefox 72 from Mozilla and my method of reproing this crash no longer works.
8217[23:30:53] <JordiGH> Yay!
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8220[23:31:42] <JordiGH> But now Firefox 72 says I gotta login to Firefox to use my old ESR prefs??
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8222[23:32:07] <JordiGH> Fuck off Mozilla, I'm not creating and logging into your server just to use my prefs.
8223[23:32:37] <tripkin> JordiGH: you may find that the two profiles are not completely compatible... I have a seperate profile for ESR and FF latest
8224[23:32:38] <JordiGH> So, do you guys know how to do this? (And also, how to install Firefox from Mozilla in a more Debianly way?)
8225[23:32:51] <JordiGH> tripkin: Can't the ESR profile be upgraded to 72?
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8227[23:33:07] <JordiGH> I've been carrying this profile around for a long time. Possibly since Firefox 3 or so.
8228[23:33:13] <JordiGH> It's the first time it won't let me upgrade it.
8229[23:33:17] <tripkin> It can, but downgrading it may be a problem. Also, in upgrading it, some things may not carry forward
8230[23:33:26] <JordiGH> Yeah, that's how it always has been.
8231[23:33:43] <tripkin> Or carry forward 'properly'. Extensions have caused the most problems
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8235[23:34:09] <JordiGH> Yeah, that's fine.
8236[23:34:15] <JordiGH> Do you know how to do that?
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8245[23:37:19] <petn-randall> jsync: Sure, they're probably on archive.debian.org.
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8247[23:38:22] <jsync> petn-randall, so I could download those with apt-mirror still?
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8249[23:38:41] <JordiGH> Oh, there we go, about:profiles
8250[23:38:54] <JordiGH> Jeez, Mozilla, this is really slimy.
8251[23:39:03] <JordiGH> Making it look like I gotta phone home to use my prefs.
8252[23:39:42] <tripkin> I have ff 73 (basically, I run a script that downloads and extracts to this location) in /opt/firefox. My profiles.ini has entries for for the various firefoxes that I have installed - and profiles.ini has different profiles based on the profilepath
8253[23:40:43] <tripkin> you can also use firefox --profile-manager, specifying the version of firefox on the cli
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8255[23:40:58] <tripkin> by using the full path to the executible
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8257[23:41:50] <JordiGH> The old profile works fine.
8258[23:42:52] <JordiGH> So, is there a way to create an ad-hoc Debian package from the Firefox I downloaded from Mozilla?
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8264[23:46:33] <tripkin> Sure! Someone else will have to help you with that, though. I have never done one of those
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8269[23:47:00] <tripkin> You are planning on using that for other installations?
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8275[23:52:22] <petn-randall> jsync: Sure, though `apt-get source` is usually easier.
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