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• 16[00:09:14] <wwilliam> !bp
• 17[00:09:21] <wwilliam> !backports
• 18[00:09:22] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
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• 20[00:09:48] <wwilliam> !debian-backports
• 21[00:09:48] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <buster backports>) and oldstable (<stretch backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
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• 27[00:15:37] <wwilliam> how do i fix this?
• 28[00:15:39] <wwilliam> CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake-3.13/Modules/FindQt4.cmake:1313 (message):
• 29[00:15:40] <wwilliam> Found unsuitable Qt version "" from NOTFOUND, this code requires Qt 4.x
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• 43[00:21:05] <wwilliam> Found unsuitable Qt version "5.11.3" from /usr/bin/qmake, this code
• 44[00:21:07] <wwilliam> requires Qt 4.x
• 45[00:21:57] <wwilliam> any help please?
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• 49[00:25:48] <wwilliam> i have this error now
• 50[00:25:50] <wwilliam> /var/tmp/ike/source/libike/manager.file.cpp:682:19: error: aggregate ‘EVP_CIPHER_CTX ctx_cipher’ has incomplete type and cannot be defined
• 51[00:25:51] <wwilliam> EVP_CIPHER_CTX ctx_cipher;
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• 62[00:32:14] <wwilliam> can anyone help please?
• 63[00:32:37] <ksk> what are you trying to do in the first place?
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• 66[00:33:17] <ksk> !xyproblem
• 67[00:33:18] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
• 68[00:33:40] <ksk> wwilliam: ^
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• 111[01:09:05] <filpAM> Somehow the 4.19.x kernel bugs the gma500 driver
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• 114[01:10:02] <filpAM> I mean, there are times when linux boots the driver works and othertimes not
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• 116[01:10:19] <filpAM> and when the driver works, the computer eventually softlocks
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• 119[01:10:56] <filpAM> (PS: debian 10 uses 4.19.x)
• 120[01:11:26] <filpAM> When I revert to 4.9.x kernel, the driver works perfectly fine
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• 127[01:12:34] <dvs> ,kernels
• 128[01:12:35] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.5.0-rc5-686 (5.5~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 5.4.0-3-686 (5.4.13-1); bullseye: 5.4.0-3-686 (5.4.13-1); buster-backports: 5.4.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.4.8-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-6-686 (4.19.67-2+deb10u2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2+deb10u2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae
• 129[01:12:36] <judd> (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2~deb8u1)
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• 134[01:16:05] <mo1991> any suggestions on bluetooth debugging? I have a game controller that will pair, then repair, then never auto pair again unless I re search and re-sync. This is on a buster machine
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• 136[01:16:36] <mo1991> The funny thing is, the exact same controller will pair, then repair, then repair over and over again on a stretch machine.
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• 140[01:17:48] <mo1991> I tested back and forth on both machines several times today.
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• 142[01:19:25] <mo1991> I tried downgrading the bluez stack on the buster machine to stretch's version. Still the same behavior. I'm fairly certain this has something to do with some config file , perhaps in /etc/udev/rules.d folder. Not sure where the logs or how to get any info from bluetooth stack. Any thoughts?
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• 157[01:34:13] <P90x> i keep getting postgresql errors when doing sudo apt-get upgrade
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• 160[01:35:10] <P90x> and then it gives me several confusing documentation files and instructions on configuring and/or removing postgresql-11 and postgresql-12
• 161[01:35:12] <P90x> what do i do?
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• 164[01:36:24] <P90x> anyway i just pressed ctrl C and resumed the upgrade
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• 166[01:39:33] <sponix2ipfw> P90x: how much do you have invested in this install?
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• 168[01:40:27] <P90x> fresh install
• 169[01:40:33] <P90x> so.. nothing
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• 174[01:42:47] <sponix2ipfw> P90x: Debian 10.2 Buster?
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• 178[01:44:04] <P90x> i dont understand it because i am using a completely different flash drive
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• 180[01:44:40] <P90x> i had to use rescue on my other flash drive, and i thought that was the source of the problem when using apt-get upgrade
• 181[01:44:50] <P90x> but now i see that isnt the case
• 182[01:45:33] <P90x> im running the OS on a flash drive with a persistence partition
• 183[01:45:40] <P90x> with no hard drive
• 184[01:45:45] <P90x> in the computer
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• 190[01:49:29] <sponix2ipfw> P90x: find about 40 USD for a SSD and life will be better
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• 194[01:54:17] <P90x> this setup is more suited for my purposes
• 195[01:54:41] <P90x> im using a custom distro based off Debian
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• 242[02:29:39] <anglus> how can i make buttoms and stuff load faster on xfce
• 243[02:30:31] <anglus> like when i click the applications menu up the top it takes a while for it to apear and when i click on stuff to launch it takes for ever
• 244[02:31:34] <anglus> how can i mask my ip
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• 246[02:34:15] <dvs> anglus, slowness in the GUI is more of a matter of RAM in anything.
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• 248[02:34:26] <dvs> *if anything
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• 250[02:34:30] <anglus> oh damn it
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• 252[02:34:34] <anglus> not whT I WANTED TO HEAR
• 253[02:34:48] <dvs> or lack of firmware. What video card do you have?
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• 255[02:35:08] <anglus> hang on ill just check with lspci command i just leARNT ABOUT
• 256[02:35:36] <anglus> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS880M [Mobility Radeon HD 4225/4250]
• 257[02:35:55] <anglus> is that decnt ??
• 258[02:35:58] <dvs> ooohhh, no wonder why it's slow
• 259[02:36:03] <dvs> That's pretty old
• 260[02:36:04] <anglus> shit card
• 261[02:36:06] <anglus> yeH
• 262[02:36:29] <anglus> its an old computer that died and i rebuit it with debian cd i got from a magizine
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• 266[02:38:21] <anglus> should i go back to windows or can i learn with this lappy
• 267[02:38:31] <adikt> i mean, i'm using on board video on my intel and i dont have that problem
• 268[02:38:39] <adikt> i dont have a solution for you tho anglus :/
• 269[02:38:52] <anglus> thats fine, thaNKS ANY WAYS
• 270[02:39:09] <dvs> anglus, it's up to you. I guess you could use another desktop environment
• 271[02:39:23] <anglus> whats destop
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• 273[02:39:27] <adikt> your video should be fine.. doesn't kde use less resources now?
• 274[02:39:57] <anglus> whats the desktop environment?? like xfce
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• 276[02:40:25] <anglus> i really like this xfce thngy
• 277[02:40:47] <dvs> Oh that's a pretty light one.
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• 279[02:41:05] <anglus> it said on the magizine if my computer is old to use that
• 280[02:41:38] <adikt> i was going to say you could try setting your swap setting to 1 so that it'll use all your memory before swapping out to your HD
• 281[02:41:38] <JackFrost> Xfce is pretty great once you configure it to look a bit nicer.
• 282[02:41:43] <adikt> i doubt that's the issue though
• 283[02:41:54] <dvs> You could try installing the firmware-amd-graphics package but I think the video card is too old to be supported by it.
• 284[02:42:18] <anglus> Oh fuck even with spoon feedings this is all over my head
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• 286[02:42:36] <anglus> im just learning bout swap now
• 287[02:42:53] <anglus> thats where i was stuffing up with the install
• 288[02:43:11] <anglus> i tihknk i might haS ATUFF MY SWAP UP. IM NOT SURE WHAT I WAS DOING QHEN SETTING IT UP
• 289[02:44:45] <anglus> hoq do i edit the swap settigns ?
• 290[02:45:15] <anglus> i was reading on google somethign bout swap may hAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT
• 291[02:45:44] <adikt> i only said it because i use that setting to allow my games to load faster.. it makes sense for that purpose because the game is actually using my system resources
• 292[02:45:59] <adikt> my ram speed is faster... so if it starts swapping at 50% of my ram usage, that's no good
• 293[02:46:11] <adikt> so i have it start swapping at 99% usage...
• 294[02:46:17] <anglus> I SEE
• 295[02:46:17] <adikt> it shouldn't matter for regular crap though
• 296[02:46:37] <anglus> what do you look for when buying a computer for linux
• 297[02:46:42] <adikt> replaced-url
• 298[02:46:58] <dvs> anglus, NOT the absolute newest specs
• 299[02:47:16] <adikt> i dont look for anything different than i do with a windows computer honestly
• 300[02:47:27] <adikt> but yeah, i'm not about to speed 1k on the newest ryzen either
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• 303[02:49:10] <adikt> i don't think the swap thing is your problem though anglus.. i'd try a different environment
• 304[02:52:09] <anglus> ok thank you very much, so xfce is too much for qhAT I HAVE ??
• 305[02:52:11] <dvs> xfce is pretty light though
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• 307[02:53:22] <adikt> that's what i'm saying.. don't know what would cause it to go slow like that
• 308[02:53:37] <adikt> it is a xfce issue tho if you google it.. :/
• 309[02:53:56] <dvs> <dvs> You could try installing the firmware-amd-graphics package but I think the video card is too old to be supported by it.
• 310[02:53:57] <adikt> wonder if they fixed whatever caused the wifi cards to disconnect in the past
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• 378[04:09:49] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Does one need to be currently using UEFI for fwupd to be usable?
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• 387[04:17:56] <oiaohm> Aurora_iz_kosmos: the answer is no fwupd does include other hardware other than just UEFI stuff.
• 388[04:18:47] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Great. I might be able to use it then.
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• 392[04:20:42] <oiaohm> Aurora_iz_kosmos: Like Logitech firmware update to their wireless devices is in fwupd.
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• 394[04:21:53] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> How safe does it generally tend to be?
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• 397[04:23:09] <oiaohm> Aurora_iz_kosmos: I really cannot state to that most of my hardware is not covered by fwupd supporting vendors.
• 398[04:23:27] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Ah, I see.
• 399[04:24:18] <oiaohm> Aurora_iz_kosmos: replaced-url
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• 407[04:30:00] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Oh, it enjoys direct OEM support?
• 408[04:30:16] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> I'm reading on their front-page, that's a nice bit.
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• 430[05:05:37] <terr__> how does Grub find the boot records for a given partition (MBR & either a primary or a logical - I can't use GPT... I have 32 bit machines and no EFI support)
• 431[05:06:04] <terr__> What I want to do is move a bootable (active) partition from one drive to another and then boot from the new one. Then I KNOW I have a good backup.
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• 435[05:08:34] <P90x> you can do that with gparted, no>
• 436[05:08:36] <P90x> ?
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• 445[05:14:00] <terr__> P90x, I don't know. I have not been using linux for quite some time.
• 446[05:15:36] <terr__> P90x, this looks good. I used partition magic before. Let me re up on this. I see a reference to gparted for windows. ??? says OS = linux
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• 452[05:17:44] <tinfoil-hat> Hey, i have an issue to start a serivce file as a user. i get Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory the last thing i was trying to resolve the problem was apt install dbus-user-session and reboot, any help appreciated
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• 457[05:20:18] <terr__> tinfoil-hat, I am NO EXPERT on this. But I ran into it.
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• 459[05:22:18] <terr__> You will get that if there is no system manager. I was told to use 'reboot -f -f' It worked. You need to read up on these parameters. I am not an expert on this at all. Barely know it
• 460[05:23:25] <tinfoil-hat> could that be related to it beeing a vps?
• 461[05:24:29] <terr__> I do not (yet) know what a vps is
• 462[05:24:41] <tinfoil-hat> virtual private server
• 463[05:24:57] <tinfoil-hat> so a virtualised server instead of a rootserver
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• 465[05:25:10] <tinfoil-hat> on a hosting provider
• 466[05:25:28] <terr__> I wouldn't think so. This is you have a broken system with parts not running becuase you were changing the wheels so to speak
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• 468[05:26:41] <tinfoil-hat> well, i was executing systemd --user start xxx with a freshly created user which isn't in wheelgroup
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• 471[05:28:52] <terr__> I was resetting the password and modified the normal boot. I added init=/bin/bash to the linux command that loads the boot image
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• 770[10:22:49] <jmd`> What is the preferred way to set a hardware config option on boot up?
• 771[10:24:27] <jm_> what kind of option is it?
• 772[10:24:30] <LastBreath> 'what do you mean
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• 774[10:25:46] <jmd`> Does it matter?
• 775[10:26:14] <jmd`> It's a piece of custom hardware for which some options must be set early in the boot process.
• 776[10:26:25] <LastBreath> sounds interesting
• 777[10:26:27] <LastBreath> custom?
• 778[10:26:40] <LastBreath> what do you do with it?
• 779[10:26:42] <jm_> how do you expect us to answer if if we have no clue how it's set etc.
• 780[10:27:36] <jmd`> I know how to set it. There is a special app to do it. My question is, how to configure systemd/whatever to ensure that it happens at boot time.
• 781[10:27:57] <jmd`> Certainly it must happen before any network interfaces have been started.
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• 783[10:28:55] <LastBreath> what is the purpose of this custom machine...
• 784[10:28:56] <jm_> so you run a command, and systemd has network-online.target unit, should be doable with that
• 785[10:29:42] <jm_> replaced-url
• 786[10:30:38] <jm_> lots of other resources for systemd unit files
• 787[10:31:21] <jmd`> LastBreath: It's for stimilated response lithotripsy
• 788[10:32:06] <Obsess> close
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• 791[10:33:31] <jmd`> jm_: My system (buster) doesn't seem to have a file with that name
• 792[10:33:50] <jm_> jmd`: which file exactly?
• 793[10:34:07] <jmd`> network-online.target
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• 796[10:35:12] <themill> that's in the systemd package
• 797[10:35:32] <jmd`> Well that's in the base system isn't it?
• 798[10:35:40] <jm_> jmd`: /lib/systemd/system/network-online.target, but maybe you need to execuite it before network.target, in either case, your unit file will be very similar
• 799[10:35:48] <themill> jmd`: yes it is
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• 801[10:36:21] <jm_> so I would just ignore that one and use something like Before: network.target
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• 804[10:37:43] <terr__> jm_, I see on the original windows disk from ASUS that there is 100 MB NTFS reserved. what is it for? Can these things be blown away?
• 805[10:38:15] <jm_> terr__: that's some system partition created by windows, I don't know the details and I would not delete it
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• 807[10:38:56] <jm_> I never inspected what my windows install uses it for
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• 809[10:41:09] <jmd`> jm_: It's okay to put our own ExecStart=!! entries in these files to execute arbitrary commands?
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• 815[10:43:31] <jm_> jmd`: in existing unit files? no, create your own unit files to start stuff at boot i.e. replaced-url
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• 817[10:45:04] <terr__> jm_, I figure I know how I'm going to do this now.
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• 819[10:45:42] <jmd`> That site appears to be down right now, but I'll read it later thanks.
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• 824[10:46:26] <jm_> archlinux,org? tried it in links to ensure it's not loaded from cache and it works fine
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• 826[10:46:59] <jmd`> Probably a local problem here then.
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• 829[10:48:13] <terr__> Gawd I hate windows
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• 832[10:50:06] <wwilliam> ksk: install shrewsoft VPN.
• 833[10:51:24] <wwilliam> replaced-url
• 834[10:52:27] <wwilliam> replaced-url
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• 838[10:53:26] <jelly> wwilliam: what kind of vpn server (hardware) are you trying to connect to?
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• 841[10:59:06] <tarzeau> terr__: don't use it? i stopped 1999
• 842[10:59:19] <tarzeau> !dir
• 843[10:59:19] <dpkg> wrong OS, foo. CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1
• 844[10:59:44] <jelly> dpkg, factinfo dir
• 845[10:59:44] <dpkg> dir -- last modified at Sun Oct 8 09:25:38 2006 by tarzeau!n=tarzeau@80-219-77-183.dclient.hispeed.ch; it has been requested 72 times, last by tarzeau, 25s ago.
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• 847[11:00:41] <terr__> tarzeau, I beat you to it. I stopped before 1998. Now I think I need it to runs some stupid software like fusion360
• 848[11:01:25] <tarzeau> terr__: i'm glad i don't have to ;) they got it for linux? replaced-url
• 849[11:02:16] <terr__> Oh you are kidding me!
• 850[11:02:24] <tarzeau> haha reading it, it's a joke
• 851[11:02:36] <terr__> I'm going to go with freecad if I can
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• 854[11:04:02] <terr__> tarzeau, how so?
• 855[11:04:22] <tarzeau> terr__: windows or macOS only, virtualbox doesn't count, it's not native linux
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• 858[11:05:10] <terr__> Ya and store your stuff in their cloud so they can go through your work
• 859[11:05:39] <terr__> They just miss that slight detail. If you send it to them its theirs. Same as gmail.
• 860[11:05:40] <tarzeau> terr__: we also have freecad users but they use unreleased versions meanwhile
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• 862[11:06:06] <tarzeau> terr__: i bet you also don't use any google product?
• 863[11:06:17] <terr__> tarzeau, I am trying to figure out how to set up these machines so I have windwer if I need it.
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• 865[11:06:32] <terr__> I do. I have an android phone.
• 866[11:06:40] <terr__> and I likely will root it.
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• 868[11:07:01] <tarzeau> terr__: but you don't get around google maps, or are you with openstreetmaps?
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• 871[11:07:25] <terr__> I use paper.
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• 873[11:08:01] <colo-work> OSM/osmand~ is great in areas where OSm coverage is good :)
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• 891[11:21:39] <ttpe> hi, I have set up static routes in my /etc/networking/interfaces file in the corresponding interface block via: up ip route add 1.1.1.1/32 via 1.2.3.4, the routes don't come up after boot, what am I getting wrong here?
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• 894[11:24:11] <terr__> how well does linux run on NTFS?
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• 902[11:29:35] <jelly> ttpe: does the interface come up at all? Pastebin the complete interfaces file.
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• 904[11:31:11] <ttpe> jelly: the interface does come up but none of the routes are available
• 905[11:31:44] <ttpe> iface ens18 inet static, address xxx/24 gateway xxx, routes
• 906[11:31:49] <ttpe> nothing fancy
• 907[11:32:10] <jelly> paste.debian.net, the whole thing, not here
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• 910[11:32:20] <jelly> maybe there's something obvious
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• 914[11:35:08] <ttpe> replaced-url
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• 922[11:45:05] <jelly> yeah I'm not going to be useful with that amount of hiding information, sorry
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• 953[11:52:08] <jm_> ttpe: try using ifup -v and then run the commands by hand to see what happens
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• 975[12:00:28] <discovered> Why am i getting error "User sessions running outdated binaries"? replaced-url
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• 981[12:03:06] <tomreyn> discovered: because your user sessions are running outdated binaries
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• 984[12:03:48] <discovered> tomreyn, Well i have upgraded everything...
• 985[12:03:49] <tomreyn> it's not an error, though, rather a warning / informational
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• 989[12:04:21] <tomreyn> installing updates doesn't mean they're always immediately applied
• 990[12:04:32] <tomreyn> that's basically what this warning is about
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• 992[12:05:03] <tomreyn> you'd probably not want your gnome session to collapse while you're running and update on it in a terminal emulator
• 993[12:05:22] <discovered> Hmm, i have updated few days ago though
• 994[12:05:26] <tomreyn> and systemd may also need a reboot to actuall get updated
• 995[12:05:39] <tomreyn> and your uptime is?
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• 999[12:06:44] <nyov> ttpe: you're missing some 'dev $IFACE' after your routes
• 1000[12:06:52] <nyov> I think
• 1001[12:07:48] <nyov> as in: up /sbin/ip -4 route add default via 192.168.1.1 dev ${IFACE}
• 1002[12:08:18] <discovered> tomreyn, the command is systemctl daemon-reexec ?
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• 1005[12:10:16] <terr__> tomreyn, can you explain a little tidbit to me. I just partitioned a new HDD. I have a big backup pool on it. about 3/4 TB. It was formated with windows 7. What I see is this: ID=f w95 Ext'd (LBA) and ID=7 HPFS/NTFS/exfat both the same size. Both with same ending sectors and slightly different starting sectors - w95 starts before HPFS
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• 1009[12:10:53] <tomreyn> terr__: why me?
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• 1012[12:12:24] <terr__> oh I was talkign with you earlier. anyone who knows.
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• 1015[12:13:34] <tomreyn> terr__: what's your question though?
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• 1017[12:14:21] <terr__> I just partitioned a big HDD - nothing on it yet. I am trying to interpret what fdisk -l is saying
• 1018[12:14:22] <tomreyn> why those partitions seem to overlap, i guess? i wouldn't really know. some fdisk output may help.
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• 1020[12:14:55] <terr__> is this something stupid M$ does?
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• 1022[12:15:16] <tomreyn> maybe, this is more #debian than ##windows ;)
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• 1024[12:15:38] <terr__> I am in #debian.
• 1025[12:15:46] <nyov> exactly
• 1026[12:15:47] <terr__> in ##windows too
• 1027[12:16:17] <terr__> that /dev/sdc4 shouldn't be there
• 1028[12:16:22] <tomreyn> i'm just saying you seem to have a question about how windows partitioned a disk, and why it did it so.
• 1029[12:16:42] <nyov> maybe it's a Quantum HDD and can be both fat32 and ntfs at the same time
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• 1031[12:17:03] <terr__> its a MBR disk. it only can have 4 partitions and fdisk is showing 5
• 1032[12:17:16] <terr__> damn cat
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• 1034[12:17:32] <terr__> I used to handle Quantum hard drives!
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• 1036[12:17:54] <tomreyn> extended range gets a partition id of its own
• 1037[12:18:42] <terr__> okay. well I was palnning on setting that partition up as extended. Windows doesn't seem to know about that option
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• 1042[12:20:03] <tomreyn> so do you have any debian related questions we can help you with then?
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• 1046[12:21:28] <terr__> yes. How do I fix the partitioning - it doesn't look right and then I need to install the latest release on it and set the partition active
• 1047[12:22:15] <tomreyn> if you're happy to lose all data you can always just write a new partition table
• 1048[12:22:27] <terr__> dolphin is open. is it even the right program to use?
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• 1050[12:22:36] <jm_> terr__: put the output on the debian paste site
• 1051[12:22:42] <terr__> there is no data on it.
• 1052[12:23:04] <terr__> jm_, I am not sure that machine has net access
• 1053[12:23:41] <jm_> partition overlaping sounds like logical drive inside extended partition
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• 1055[12:23:52] <tomreyn> last time i checked dolphin was a file manager, not a partitioning utility, but it's a while ago.
• 1056[12:24:11] <terr__> its booted via a USB stick adn totally default debain install from a year ago. I just got the thing booted about 2 days ago. I am goign through it now.
• 1057[12:24:25] <terr__> tomreyn, yes - I thought do.
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• 1059[12:25:13] <tomreyn> so, since we can't see what you see we won't be able to help unless you share it.
• 1060[12:25:14] <terr__> I have a command prompt set up. I can look at the partition tables on the dives mounted and this is where I saw this strange entry
• 1061[12:26:06] <tomreyn> sudo fdisk -l prints your partition tables, and there is pastebinit and similar commands to post output online.
• 1062[12:26:12] <terr__> what I can do its download an install .iso and install the new debian in the windows machine.
• 1063[12:26:59] <terr__> tomreyn, yes I know. But I don't think the machine has net access. it might. let me try ping.
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• 1065[12:27:17] <Ede|Popede> is there something in /proc telling me when a process was started? htop has a time column with only month/day or hour, which is for most of the entries. useless.
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• 1067[12:28:03] <jm_> Ede|Popede: ps can show process start time, i.e. ps -eo user,pid,ppid,pcpu,pmem,vsz,rss,tty,state,nice,start,time,command
• 1068[12:28:12] <terr__> its lit.
• 1069[12:28:17] <terr__> that is good.
• 1070[12:28:20] <colo-work> Ede|Popede, stat /proc/<pid> should give you a good idea (mtime and/or ctime)
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• 1072[12:28:53] <terr__> okay. I can likely ship a file out. let me figure out a way.
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• 1078[12:30:17] <terr__> if I can send myself an email. I doubt I have IRC
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• 1080[12:30:50] <Ede|Popede> jm_: i never use ps, it spits out a spaghetti list meant for wide line printers
• 1081[12:30:55] <Ede|Popede> completely unusable on screen
• 1082[12:31:11] <Ede|Popede> no tree, no sorting after print
• 1083[12:31:45] <jm_> one can limit which columns it shows, and it has sorting options too and yes, it gets all its info from /proc so there is info there
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• 1087[12:35:20] <tomreyn> terr__: echo Hello World | nc termbin.com 9999
• 1088[12:35:32] <tomreyn> !pastebinit
• 1089[12:35:32] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg 2>&1 | pastebinit". For a list of pastebin sites do "pastebinit -l". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
• 1090[12:36:01] <terr__> let me try
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• 1092[12:38:55] <terr__> I have never used nc. Looks like it worked.
• 1093[12:40:33] <jm_> but you don't knw the URL for your paste?
• 1094[12:44:27] <terr__> I sent it to termbin.com
• 1095[12:45:06] <terr__> Probably no worse than when I was in Sun Oil sending stuff to Alaska, pittsburg... they said they were use to it.
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• 1098[12:45:52] <jm_> it replies with URL for your paste if it works
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• 1100[12:46:34] <terr__> it said replaced-url
• 1101[12:48:01] <terr__> I should be able to see it from this machine. I am at their website now. This is good stuff!
• 1102[12:48:03] <jm_> you mean the last one? that's the case I mentioned, extended partition with logical drive in it
• 1103[12:48:15] <jm_> so all OK
• 1104[12:48:38] <terr__> ya - how do I pick up what is in termbin
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• 1107[12:49:49] <jm_> I don't understand the question
• 1108[12:50:29] <terr__> how do I read what you are seeing at termbin?
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• 1110[12:51:27] <jm_> visit replaced-url
• 1111[12:52:16] <Ede|Popede> jm_: actually at least one of the programs (htop, ps) is talking bs. in htop most entries are from around one hour ago, ps only has a handful of them.
• 1112[12:52:57] <terr__> Nice. does it assign dsof automatically? Like each message gets a unique id?
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• 1115[12:53:53] <velix> How can I publish the hostname of a static IP?
• 1116[12:54:18] <terr__> velix, I run statics. What do you mean publish?
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• 1118[12:54:54] <velix> terr__: When using a DHCP, I can publish my hostname to it. Then I can reach the host by its name from all over the network.
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• 1120[12:54:58] <jm_> terr: probably yes
• 1121[12:55:11] <velix> terr__: Using a static IP, I don't have a dhcpclient on my machine of course.
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• 1123[12:55:18] <Ede|Popede> /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-trash --spawner :1.6 /org/gtk/gvfs/exec_spaw/1 was started 2 weeks ago or 13 hours ago depending on the source
• 1124[12:55:18] <terr__> DHCP is the opposite of static ip's
• 1125[12:55:22] <tomreyn> terr__: yes, the url is generate don the fly, printed to your terminal for sharing
• 1126[12:55:34] <Ede|Popede> so there's no reliable source for "process start time" in the kernel?
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• 1129[12:56:01] <terr__> perfect. This is really great because I was looking for a way to get notes out of the machine I am configuring into the one I am using now.
• 1130[12:56:04] <velix> Ah, maybe I need samba for this.
• 1131[12:56:30] <jm_> Ede|Popede: the start_time field in /proc/<pid>/stat is the start time
• 1132[12:56:32] <terr__> velix you can configure a DHCP server to always return a given address.
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• 1134[12:56:45] <terr__> But . I am not sure I ever did it.
• 1135[12:56:46] <velix> terr__: I don't run a DHCP server
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• 1137[12:57:38] <terr__> I never did either. But I did set oine up and I'm not running on my static IP's right now... and I have a broken system... just brining it on line now.
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• 1139[12:58:08] <jm_> velix: there's «send host-name» option in dhclient.conf, is this what you mean?
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• 1141[12:58:24] <velix> jm_: I'm not running a DHCP server on my network.
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• 1143[12:58:42] <tomreyn> Ede|Popede: replaced-url
• 1144[12:59:03] <jm_> velix: then I don't understand your question
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• 1146[12:59:09] <terr__> jm_, what I need to do is get the newest debian release installed into /dev/sdc3 via windows... but now that I see Debian is running I can use the other machine to do it. Then I reboot and ensure that is working.
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• 1150[12:59:35] <velix> jm_: My question was: "How can I publish the hostname of a static IP?" ;9
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• 1152[12:59:41] <terr__> I should have the install page for debian open. Let me look.
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• 1154[12:59:45] <velix> jm_: It already said: static IP ;)
• 1155[12:59:57] <jm_> velix: yes, but publish it where?
• 1156[12:59:58] <velix> jm_: But no problem, it seems to be a hard problem, which can be solved by SAMA using WINS.
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• 1158[13:00:07] <velix> jm_: In the network. I need to broadcast it somehow.
• 1159[13:00:11] <Ede|Popede> jm_: there are some entries looking like EPOCH, but i have to remove 5(!) digits to get reasonable values. and then they are from 2014, they all are up to 140726482546654
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• 1163[13:00:27] <velix> jm_: I need a service, which broadcast: "You can find this server under hostname velix-server"
• 1164[13:00:29] <jm_> Ede|Popede: note that some of those values are in jiffies!
• 1165[13:00:37] <velix> jm_: WINS seems to do this.
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• 1167[13:00:44] <Ede|Popede> in what?
• 1168[13:00:57] <jm_> !jiffies
• 1169[13:00:59] <jm_> !jiffie
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• 1171[13:01:19] <tomreyn> Ede|Popede, jm_: it's discussed on the link i posted
• 1172[13:01:48] <jm_> yeah probably
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• 1174[13:02:03] <tomreyn> i found said article by searching the web for "linux process spawn OR start timestamp", first or second hit.
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• 1181[13:04:05] <Ede|Popede> tomreyn: thanks, that did it. lstart is the real thing. but: "See also bsdstart, start, start_time, and stime". why keeping things simple...
• 1182[13:04:33] <tomreyn> usually that's because they aren't
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• 1186[13:05:14] <tomreyn> proc is not meant to be an end user interface, that's what CLI utils like ps are for
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• 1188[13:05:35] <tomreyn> ps -eo pid,lstart,cmd
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• 1192[13:06:14] <Ede|Popede> great, now one of the xterms goes mad again when i click into it. no idea why, last thing i did before was to start man
• 1193[13:06:34] <tomreyn> "reset"
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• 1195[13:06:52] <Ede|Popede> mc subshell. funny enough, mc reacts normally to mouse clicks
• 1196[13:06:54] <Ede|Popede> yep
• 1197[13:07:59] <Ede|Popede> ah, man proc. i thought i'd find a page for stat.
• 1198[13:08:28] <Ede|Popede> so 2.6 switched from jiffies to clock ticks. aha.
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• 1216[13:12:42] <nirakara> when using `journalctl -u <myservice> -f` is there any way to be able to scroll like you can with tail -f
• 1217[13:13:17] <tarzeau> nirakara: PAGER=less ?
• 1218[13:13:41] <Ede|Popede> so i only have to find out the value of sysconf(_SC_CLK_TCK) for this machine?
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• 1220[13:14:25] <nirakara> tarzeau: no luck
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• 1224[13:15:04] <Ede|Popede> ok, getconf(1).
• 1225[13:15:23] <jm_> getconf CLK_TCK probably
• 1226[13:15:43] <Ede|Popede> yep
• 1227[13:16:35] <Ede|Popede> btw, netsurf on a dark desktop... didn't want to fire up my bloated firefox installation yet. no mid-click, in neither direction, mostly black on black.
• 1228[13:17:21] <jm_> nirakara: doesn't -f already do that?
• 1229[13:17:28] <Ede|Popede> and it's really annoying that htop only has STARTTIME in this crippled format
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• 1232[13:19:29] <jm_> Ede|Popede: S → Display options → Detailed CPU time ... might help
• 1233[13:21:20] <Ede|Popede> jm_: no difference, hm
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• 1235[13:22:56] <yomm> Hello, i can't get serial_ir to load at boot (in /etc/modules) The problem is that the (kernel) serial driver is getting loaded before anything listed in /etc/modules.conf. (setserial is set up in /etc/serial.conf with /dev/ttyS0 uart none). Any tips ?
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• 1237[13:23:58] <jm_> Ede|Popede: ahh crap, this appears to be for some other columns
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• 1239[13:24:59] <jm_> yomm: tried update-initramfs -u after editing /etc/modules?
• 1240[13:25:01] <Ede|Popede> and if the entry in stat is about "how long ago was it started" the file should change over time. only it doesn't
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• 1242[13:25:40] <jm_> the entry is when it was started, not how long ago, no?
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• 1246[13:28:38] <jm_> yomm: and you can't unload it later?
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• 1249[13:29:28] <yomm> msg/ jm_ Yes I can get everything to work once booted
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• 1253[13:31:03] <jm_> yomm: then I would try with updated initramfs and if that doesn't work, also blacklist the problematic one
• 1254[13:31:07] <Ede|Popede> jm_: right now it was 1581078575. fitting entries from netsurf i just started before are up to 140726577655779. doesn't fit at all.
• 1255[13:31:34] <yomm> jm_: Thank you, I'll try that now
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• 1257[13:32:13] <Ede|Popede> that's a factor of about 98000, which i really can't make sense of
• 1258[13:32:23] <jm_> yomm: no problem
• 1259[13:32:34] <jm_> Ede|Popede: for the same column in stat file?
• 1260[13:32:59] <Ede|Popede> i did > cat /proc/21513/stat | tr ' ' '\n' | grep ^1 | sort
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• 1263[13:33:09] <Ede|Popede> simply to have a nice list
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• 1268[13:33:55] <Ede|Popede> 21513 (netsurf-gtk) S 18489 726 726 0 -1 4194304 3893 0 0 0 40 7 0 0 20 0 3 0 428949474 546344960 10256 18446744073709551615 4194304 9176164 140726577652048 0 0 0 0 4096 0 0 0 0 17 1 0 0 0 0 0 11273968 11358224 44371968 140726577654543 140726577654555 140726577654555 140726577655779 0
• 1269[13:34:04] <Ede|Popede> the whole file, i started it just a few minutes ago
• 1270[13:34:23] <jm_> ok I wouldn't do it that way, I'd just check the right column field manually, i.e. with awk or cut
• 1271[13:35:14] <Ede|Popede> "The time the process started after system boot" - oh wait. doing some more math
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• 1276[13:36:15] <Ede|Popede> no awk for me. never did it.
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• 1281[13:38:21] <jm_> yeah just use whichever tool suits you, just saying that I would look at only that column, not using sort and grep
• 1282[13:38:36] <Ede|Popede> seems to be 428949474
• 1283[13:38:50] <lupulo> Ede|Popede never is over, info gawk
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• 1285[13:39:48] <Ede|Popede> jm_: it looks and gives me crippled results. if it is only the time i expect it to be from the last 24 hours, which definitely is not true for my terminals
• 1286[13:40:03] <Ede|Popede> lupulo: infopages aren't tutorials
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• 1288[13:40:54] <Ede|Popede> and for gawk i get the manpage only anyway
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• 1290[13:41:48] <jm_> Ede|Popede: I don't have time to dig into it now, but probably can compare what I see on this system which has uptime > 32d
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• 1294[13:43:22] <Ede|Popede> jm_, uptime is 49d15:51 here. echo $((428949474/86400)) -> 4964 so that would fit. 49.64 days given that jiffie factor of 100, which in turn seems to be true.
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• 1296[13:44:20] <Ede|Popede> oh and thanks for effort and time. after all it was even successful.
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• 1299[13:45:02] <lupulo> Ede|Popede, ps aux | grep -i YOURFAVOURITEPROGRAM | awk '{ print $9 }'
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• 1301[13:46:33] <lupulo> Ede|Popede, you could use pstree -n
• 1302[13:46:34] <Ede|Popede> lupulo: *now* i know it since it was used in the example on that page. ask me tomorrow again, place your bet now that i'll have to google it
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• 1304[13:47:21] <lupulo> pstree hasn't time
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• 1307[13:49:27] <Ede|Popede> and htop is interactive. means i can sort it, switch from tree to list at will, get info on processes without the need to save output to files and walk through them. and then delete them after usage.
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• 1310[13:50:18] <Ede|Popede> or doing it the old way and pass it to the line printer in 132-columns mode
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• 1312[13:52:15] <Ede|Popede> htop isn't the only tool with that issue btw. mc has 2 timestamps (new and old as usual in unix) which i also individualize. i'm not on a 80x25 terminal anymore, so no need to ignore the time for old files or seconds for new ones.
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• 1323[13:59:52] <Ede|Popede> oh, and sometimes /proc isn't the worst choice. the alternative to `cat /proc/uptime` would be this: echo $(( $(date -d now +%s)-$(date -d "$(uptime -s)" +%s) ))
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• 1356[14:17:13] <terr__> I really want to thank you guys for the help. I'll figure out how to get a new install image and away to the races!
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• 1360[14:18:26] <lupulo> Ede|Popede, you could create your own timer with timer_create
• 1361[14:18:40] <martin-_-_> hi, can some help me setup my WiFi for raspberry pi, I followed this guid replaced-url
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• 1364[14:19:44] <martin-_-_> it shows: wlan0 IEEE 802.11 ESSID:off/any instead of unassociated Nickname:"<WIFI@REALTEK>" and rtl8192cu instead of only 8192cu
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• 1366[14:20:14] <lupulo> Ede|Popede, you could create a bash to launch the program and you could use times
• 1367[14:20:23] <martin-_-_> also the guide doesn't provide a template for Debian buster
• 1368[14:21:02] <Ede|Popede> lupulo: screen is what i do. gives nice live messages just in case.
• 1369[14:21:33] <Ede|Popede> and ^C sometimes is more efficient than klicking or hunting for the PID first
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• 1419[14:50:40] <grady> where i can put mtu values these days?
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• 1432[14:57:10] <nevivurn> grady: /etc/network/interfaces
• 1433[14:57:33] <nevivurn> If you're using ifupdown I guess
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• 1437[15:00:02] <Fox> in /etc/systemd/network/ if you're using systemd
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• 1442[15:02:19] <grady> it is empty
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• 1445[15:02:59] <grady> i have etc/network/interfaces but there isnt nothing than lo :)
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• 1447[15:04:08] <nevivurn> grady: are you using a desktop environment? If so, you probably have networkmanager, and you can set the MTU in the networkmanager GUI config tool, I'm sure.
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• 1449[15:04:40] <grady> yes but where it saves all
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• 1451[15:05:43] <nevivurn> grady: somewhere in /etc/NetworkManager, not sure exactly where.
• 1452[15:06:41] <grady> oh
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• 1454[15:07:10] <grady> they are in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/
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• 1458[15:09:06] <martin-_-_> if i do ifdown wlan it tells me ifdown: unknown interface wlan0 .. but iwconfig shows me wlan0...
• 1459[15:09:07] <martin-_-_> any idea
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• 1461[15:09:54] <nevivurn> martin-_-_: did you set it up in /etc/network/interfaces?
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• 1463[15:10:45] <martin-_-_> hm no its empty or refering to /etc/network/interfaces.d which is an empty dictionary
• 1464[15:10:50] <martin-_-_> how can I add it?
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• 1466[15:12:19] <nevivurn> martin-_-_: check out interfaces(5) and /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/READNE.Debian.gz
• 1467[15:12:44] <nevivurn> but if all you want to do is to bring the interface down, `ip l set $iface down` may be enough
• 1468[15:15:11] <wwilliam> hello is there a tutorial somewhere on how to install shrewsoft vpn on buster somewhere?
• 1469[15:15:23] <wwilliam> or what can I use instead?
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• 1471[15:15:28] <wwilliam> Thank you.
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• 1477[15:19:49] <yibotg> /part bye
• 1478[15:20:00] <zodd_> wwilliam, various VPN solutions exist on Debian. Depends on what is offered or what you need/like
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• 1480[15:20:15] <martin-_-_> So I added wpa_supplicant.conf but my wlan0 is not connecting to the WiFi I set in the wpa_supplicant.conf
• 1481[15:20:30] <zodd_> however VPNs can be complex. If you ask this question, not sure if you want to take the challenge
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• 1486[15:24:09] <nevivurn> So I'd like a sanity check on this. I have a disk image that will be deployed on multiple machines. I have a text file that maps MAC addresses to IPs and hostnames, and I want these machines to configure themselves with those settings on boot.
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• 1488[15:25:13] <nevivurn> Is setting a `iface $iface inet manual` stanza with an up-script that uses `ip` commands to set the correct IP/etc. a sane way of doing this?
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• 1525[15:49:55] <bengoa> Hi guys. I'm trying to auto-install some Debian's VMs in parallel. To do that in my environment (using virt-install), I need to inject different preseed files names (I mean not preseed.cfg). For instance, I'm injecting a file called debian10.cfg and setting 'preseed/file=/debian10.cfg' to the installer's kernel cmdline seems to not make any difference. Am I missing something?
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• 1542[16:01:23] <ADU_Cologne> ok it's the IPFW rules somehow
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• 1570[16:18:47] <inerkick> Hi. I'm trying to format my camera's SD card on my Debian 9, but getting this error . replaced-url
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• 1575[16:20:24] <jelly> inerkick: sounds like if got disconnected, does ejecting it and inserting it back make a difference?
• 1576[16:20:57] <inerkick> no. it's still the same
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• 1602[16:32:15] <martin-_-_> when using iwlist it doesnt find my hidden ssid WiFi network
• 1603[16:32:20] <martin-_-_> …
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• 1608[16:34:54] <pragmaticenigma> martin-_-_: According to the documentation you need to supply the "essid" option to scan. Though it is not guaranteed you will see the hidden network, as the application relies on what the card and its drivers are willing to send back
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• 1614[16:38:54] <martin-_-_> ah thanks pragmaticenigma, with essid it works
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• 1617[16:39:55] <martin-_-_> hm my raspberry still doesn't connect to my WiFi
• 1618[16:40:04] <martin-_-_> I turned for testing ssid broadcasting on
• 1619[16:40:19] <martin-_-_> so it must be something other which is blocking the wlan0 to connect to the WiFi
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• 1624[16:42:23] <zodd_> martin-_-_, is wlan0 virtualised/aliased?
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• 1626[16:43:11] <jelly> martin-_-_: you'll probably want to ask in #raspbian if that's the OS you use, unless you managed to install actual Debian on it
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• 1634[16:48:55] <znull> hey, how to install Package php7.0-curl is not available, but is referred to by another package.
• 1635[16:48:55] <znull>
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• 1640[16:49:35] <_Fremen_> Hello everyone
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• 1644[16:50:50] <_Fremen_> I using Debian testing with KDE. When I try to open printer configuration on Systems settings, it does not responds and opens them like 5-10 minutes later. What could be the cause of this?
• 1645[16:51:15] <avu> _Fremen_: testing support is in #debian-next on OFTC
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• 1647[16:51:51] <znull> how can i run multiple php versions on debian 10 ?
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• 1650[16:52:30] <_Fremen_> avu, it says the channel is invite only?
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• 1654[16:52:54] <jhutchins_wk> Freekid: re-read the last two words from avu
• 1655[16:53:00] <avu> _Fremen_: sure you are on OFTC? (this is freenode here)
• 1656[16:53:05] <JyZyXEL> oof, i rebooted my router and suddenly "mrtg-ip-acct eth0.10" gives me the exact same values as "mrtg-ip-acct eth0.100", even though they are not the same when looking at /proc/net/dev
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• 1659[16:53:35] <_Fremen_> avu, oh different server, sorry
• 1660[16:53:41] <_Fremen_> missed it
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• 1669[16:55:51] <shaggyz> Hello
• 1670[16:56:18] <JyZyXEL> replaced-url
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• 1675[16:59:43] <JyZyXEL> guess its time to replace mrtg with something else
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• 1680[17:03:51] <JyZyXEL> replaced-url
• 1681[17:04:05] <JyZyXEL> the "while (isspace(*p)) p++;"
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• 1751[17:54:19] <Abdullah> where is the netinstall iso with custom firmware?
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• 1755[17:56:16] <sponix2ipfw> Abdullah: you want the "non-free" one for that
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• 1759[17:57:52] <sponix2ipfw> replaced-url
• 1760[17:58:04] <sponix2ipfw> Abdullah: that should be what you are looking for
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• 1769[18:07:47] <Abdullah> yeah got that. Thank you
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• 1818[18:39:58] <Akuw> to run cron every 15 minutes all days --> "25 19 * * * $HOME/bin/script.sh" ?
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• 1820[18:42:32] <jhutchins_wk> Akuw: Nope.
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• 1827[18:44:49] <jhutchins_wk> Akuw: That says every day at 19:25 (7:25 pm).
• 1828[18:45:27] <jhutchins_wk> Akuw: Check man 5 crontab for how to specify an interval using / or secify each minute of the hour it's supposed to run.
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• 1830[18:45:47] <Akuw> to run cron every 15 minutes all days --> "0-59/15 * * * * $HOME/bin/script.sh" ?
• 1831[18:46:09] <Akuw> then every 15 minutes
• 1832[18:46:16] <ratrace> */15 suffices for the minutes column
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• 1843[18:50:56] <Akuw> can i do this --> " */15 * * * * $HOME/script/box/ver_voltage_cameras.sh >> $HOME/scripts/box/log_volt.log"
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• 1845[18:51:06] <countdr> To get HDD reads per second?
• 1846[18:51:35] <Akuw> so result of script be saved in log
• 1847[18:51:45] <countdr> Akuw ask in #bash
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• 1849[18:53:11] <countdr> Akuw bash has a special way
• 1850[18:53:40] <Akuw> ok
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• 1854[18:55:31] <Peyam> hi does anyone know what this means and what I should do ? symbol lookup error: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcairo.so.2: undefined symbol: FT_Get_Var_Design_Coordinates
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• 1857[18:56:24] <countdr> Peyam how did you install that program?
• 1858[18:56:48] <Peyam> I installed Heroes of Newerth with their installer
• 1859[18:57:31] <countdr> Heroes of Newerth uses a feature that your system software is missing.
• 1860[18:57:50] <Peyam> yeah and what can I do to resolve this issue?
• 1861[18:58:04] <countdr> Bad news. Best chance is upgrade to Ubuntu
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• 1925[19:33:05] <Exagone313> Hi, I'm trying to install gcc and g++ from multilib and arm-linux-gnueabihf toolchains (on buster-slim amd64 via docker) but it fails and I don't understand the error. Without installing multilib it seems to work. Is there a way to have both toolchains installed? Thanks for your help. <replaced-url
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• 1932[19:38:24] <erts> Hi there, I'm trying to get Debian to report battery percentage on a GPD Win (first version). Ubuntu does report battery status, but not Debian. I'm missing some kernel modules (not sure of their names, but I'm sure some modules are lacking). I also know they are in linux-modules-extras in Ubuntu, but no trace of them in Debian looking them up with apt-file. Any idea of how I could get them?
• 1933[19:38:29] <nuxil> hello. i remember in the old days there was a file called rc.local in /etc where you could put your own stuff in without much hassle. how do you do it these days?
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• 1936[19:39:52] <diogenes_> !rc_local
• 1937[19:40:05] <tomreyn> write a systemd unit, enable the systemd rclocal compatibility service or create a cron job,
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• 1940[19:40:40] <diogenes_> !rc.local
• 1941[19:40:40] <dpkg> /etc/rc.local may be used to run simple commands at boot time. It exists by default in jessie or older; in stretch you need to create it. Don't forget the <shebang> and be sure to chmod 755 it. rc.local is considered a hack, a stopgap, or a temporary band-aid; see <systemd>
• 1942[19:40:59] <nuxil> i see. thanks for the anwser
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• 1956[19:47:05] <erts> For example the module i2c-cht-wc.ko is in Ubuntu's linux-modules-extra but nowhere in Debian...any way to get it, or any idea of why this one is nowhere pre-compiled?
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• 1967[19:51:43] <beo> hello, im on buster, anyone having a clue how to fix this,
• 1968[19:51:44] <beo> systemd[1]: network.target: Job networking-routes.service/start deleted to break ordering cycle starting with network.target/start
• 1969[19:52:02] <beo> my network is completely dead now
• 1970[19:52:14] <beo> replaced-url
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• 1977[19:57:03] <wwilliam> is .bashrc the right place to add /home/user/bin to his path?
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• 1979[20:02:55] <erts> wwilliam: I do it there and haven't ever experienced any problems
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• 1981[20:03:54] <twobitsprite> wwilliam: the convention these days is to have a $HOME/.local/bin instead of $HOME/bin
• 1982[20:04:55] <erts> true, I have ~/.local/bin instead of ~/bin too. Also it doesn't make sense to have visible something you never "browse"
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• 1985[20:05:42] <twobitsprite> It's also the Freedesktop/XDG standard to put user-local bin/lib/share/etc in $HOME/.local
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• 1987[20:06:46] <wwilliam> OK thank you I will do the .local/bin
• 1988[20:06:58] <Exagone313> I do it in ~/.profile and I source that fine in .bashrc/.zshrc
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• 1990[20:07:04] <Exagone313> s/fine/file
• 1991[20:07:15] <wwilliam> ok will do Exagone313
• 1992[20:07:49] <Exagone313> if you switch between tty, ssh, display manager, you might find that it doesn't load the same files
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• 1995[20:09:32] <erts> Exagone313: do you source your .profile from .zshrc?
• 1996[20:10:19] <twobitsprite> Exagone313: the default in debian is for .profile to source .bashrc (and it also automatically adds $HOME/.local/bin to PATH if it exists)
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• 1998[20:10:49] <twobitsprite> wwilliam: ^
• 1999[20:11:44] <wwilliam> thanks
• 2000[20:11:50] <Exagone313> hmm right, I don't source .profile in shell rc, but I source some parts of my shell config in .profile
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• 2026[20:27:14] <Peyam> I made it work finally
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• 2029[20:28:25] <dvs> !prize Peyam
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• 2033[20:28:57] <erts> Guys so reiterating on my question and changing it a bit. For my GPD Win to report battery status in Debian I'm missing some modules. I found them in Ubuntu, and the ones I checked seem to be part of the Linux source tree, but they aren't built into Debian image (or separate packages). Any idea on what the best way to build them would be?
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• 2036[20:29:55] <erts> I think I could use dkms, so they would survive updates, any recommendation or documentation I should read? It's quite a huge topic and I don't want to screw up...
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• 2104[21:10:45] <jhutchins_wk> !dkms
• 2105[21:10:46] <dpkg> Dynamic Kernel Module Support (DKMS) is a framework for generating out-of-tree Linux kernel modules. Packages using DKMS build modules during installation and when updated Linux versions are installed, provided Linux kernel headers are present (these are not installed by dkms). DKMS-managed modules are installed to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/ . The module build log file is at /var/lib/dkms/$module/$version/build/make.log
• 2106[21:10:53] <jhutchins_wk> erts: Backups.
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• 2201[22:25:07] <Ede|Popede> f-a: do you want to search for particular tags or tag values? then `debtags`
• 2202[22:25:47] <f-a> very good, thanks
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• 2206[22:27:32] <Ede|Popede> f-a: but don't rely only on them, not all packages are fully tagged. i was looking for a list of wiki software some time ago, and also web servers. was a bit tricky.
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• 2208[22:29:53] <f-a> Ede|Popede: I am looking for a simple midi sequencer, let's see if the tags bring something good
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• 2217[22:34:53] <Ede|Popede> f-a: i looked for some packages i knew and used the tags which looked useful
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• 2221[22:36:53] <f-a> excellent suggestion
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• 2235[22:47:40] <somiaj> f-a: apt search searches the description of the package too which is often helpful in finding software (though sometimes means you have a bigger list to look through)
• 2236[22:47:47] <somiaj> this can help if tags aren't complete
• 2237[22:48:11] <f-a> yeah big list is what brought me here
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• 2240[22:49:48] <somiaj> f-a: you may also find aptitude search more powerful than apt
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• 2245[22:51:22] <jhutchins_wk> For some reason aptitude returns lots of unrelated results for me.
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