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• 15[00:03:42] <de-facto> does the nginx package support http post uploads?
• 16[00:05:15] <mladoux> replaced-url
• 17[00:05:23] <mladoux> it's a module
• 18[00:05:58] <de-facto> yeah that was what i was hoping for, yet when i use that in debian i get nginx: [emerg] unknown directive "upload_pass"
• 19[00:06:07] <de-facto> installed nginx-extra
• 20[00:06:17] <de-facto> on buster
• 21[00:06:38] <mladoux> yeah, not sure what the compile options were, let me look to see what I can find
• 22[00:07:09] <de-facto> i am just curious how to do POST uploads since "Upload Progress" module is included
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• 30[00:08:38] <de-facto> cant really believe debian would ship nginx without upload support
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• 40[00:13:09] <Miles8of9> it may be a security problem!
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• 43[00:14:24] <de-facto> why would that be a sec prob?
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• 45[00:14:58] <de-facto> if i configure it, i know its active and am responsible for its usage
• 46[00:15:47] <Miles8of9> someone could post dangerous contents to server hd!
• 47[00:16:06] <de-facto> lol
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• 50[00:16:14] <Miles8of9> my server admin thinks like so...
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• 52[00:16:34] <de-facto> yeah well then he just dont configure that module
• 53[00:16:41] <ksk> de-facto: seems it was part of nginx-extras in wheezy - but not anymore.
• 54[00:17:04] <de-facto> omg for real? so POST uploads are not supported?
• 55[00:17:47] <de-facto> why is upload progress included then?
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• 58[00:19:17] <ksk> de-facto: eh? you need a backend to handle file uploads. the nginx upload module would be such a backend, tightly knitted into(onto) nginx..
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• 60[00:19:39] <ksk> the upload progress can be used in conjunction with any backend, as far as I know.
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• 63[00:20:26] <ksk> de-facto: you could also alwys take nginx upstream debian packages, I suppose the module would be included over there - take a look
• 64[00:20:35] <Miles8of9> de-facto, why rely on configuration when you can compile software without that support??? :D
• 65[00:20:46] <de-facto> well what i was hoping to be able to do is get rid of php for handling uploads since its so slow
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• 68[00:21:45] <ksk> I doubt php will be a factor here in that scenario.
• 69[00:22:27] <ksk> not that I like php, but it will not make your uploads slow imho ;) you can also use any other backend, ruby, python, nodejs..
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• 71[00:22:47] <ksk> (maybe do not use nodejs)
• 72[00:22:49] <de-facto> php is broken on 32 bit, it cant even handle fseek beyond 2GB...
• 73[00:22:53] <Sierra> The only effect I can see PHP having on uploads is if your config has a cap of file size or transfer limits
• 74[00:23:02] <Sierra> transfer speeds rather*
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• 76[00:23:23] <ksk> I am not aware of a php variable that would limit that :P
• 77[00:23:53] <ksk> and yes, 32bit php has been borken a long time as far as I know, but who uses 32bit anyways?
• 78[00:24:06] <Sierra> Not 100% sure myself if there's a transfer speed specific option, thinking about it. File size limits for upload/download I know exists though
• 79[00:24:14] <ksk> +
• 80[00:24:17] <de-facto> its implementation uses unsigned ints for pointer arithmetic hence it cant handle files beyond 2GB on 32 bit
• 81[00:24:32] <de-facto> so php is off table, i need native support
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• 84[00:24:59] <Sierra> I joined late and missed the original thing - What are you looking for?
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• 89[00:25:48] <de-facto> Sierra, I tried to use replaced-url
• 90[00:26:17] <de-facto> seems nginx would not support handling POST requests himself on debian
• 91[00:26:32] <de-facto> in regards to file uploads of course
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• 95[00:27:03] <Sierra> Ah - Nginx isn't something I'm familiar with.
• 96[00:27:29] <ksk> its not about wheter we are familiar - it is just not part of the nginx(-extras) package from debian. period.
• 97[00:27:41] <de-facto> its an http server handling about one third of http requests nowerdays
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• 100[00:28:21] <de-facto> yeah, its very sad, i wonder why its not included, would not compile or for security reasoning?
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• 102[00:30:17] <de-facto> hmm maybe i can include that in the source package, but then i would have to compile on every update which i was hoping to prevent
• 103[00:30:55] <ksk> de-facto: replaced-url
• 104[00:31:21] <ksk> make sure to remove any debian nginx packages before adding that one.
• 105[00:31:33] <de-facto> does that include upload?
• 106[00:31:44] <ksk> I dont know.
• 107[00:32:24] <de-facto> it looks like its only x86
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• 122[00:41:29] <de-facto> also it looks like its not included in the nginx version aswell, i really wonder for reasoning since i want to understand
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• 125[00:44:19] <de-facto> in the debian wiki they say "The Upload module (not to be confused with Upload Progress) has been removed since 1.4.0-2 (May 1th, 2013)."
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• 127[00:46:34] <de-facto> where can i find the old package sources?
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• 133[00:51:23] <somiaj> ngnix is more meant to be a for static sites, could it be what you are trying to do just works better with apache.
• 134[00:51:39] <somiaj> (I find I use ngnix on my host to proxy, but for non static sites I end up using a vm with apache)
• 135[00:52:43] <ksk> just no. nginx can pass stuff to backends just fine.
• 136[00:53:09] <nyov> which makes it a proxy ;)
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• 138[00:53:37] <somiaj> hmm, wonder why the nginx-upload module no longer works with 1.3.x and above (why it was removed). I don't see any bug report for this though.
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• 140[00:55:12] <somiaj> but I do see a new module, libnginx-mod-http-uploadprogress
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• 142[00:55:12] <somiaj> ,i libnginx-mod-http-uploadprogress
• 143[00:55:12] <judd> Package libnginx-mod-http-uploadprogress (httpd, optional) in buster/amd64: Upload progress system for Nginx. Version: 1.14.2-2+deb10u1; Size: 96.9k; Installed: 139k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 144[00:55:12] <de-facto> its just for tracking the progress i think
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• 146[00:55:23] <somiaj> yea, I was hoping judd had the description, anyways, "It works by tracking the uploads proxied by Nginx to upstream servers without analysing the uploaded content and offers a web API to report upload progress in Javscript, Json or any other format."
• 147[00:55:36] <de-facto> if nginx does POST uploads to backends, it looks like it cant handle them itself
• 148[00:55:37] <somiaj> so yea that module is assuming ngnix is just being a proxy to upload to something else.
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• 151[00:56:18] <de-facto> i am trying to integrate the original upload module in the debian sources, yet i would like to know the reason for its removal
• 152[00:56:27] <somiaj> de-facto: it is in the changelog
• 153[00:56:47] <somiaj> "This module no longer works with 1.3.x and above. Removed as of now."
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• 155[00:57:07] <somiaj> I don't see a debian bug report, so check upstream bug reports and see if it has been fixed
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• 157[00:57:09] <ksk> ehm, is upstream is no longer available at all - that might be the reason.
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• 159[00:57:20] <nyov> but why should it handle uploads? Isn't the purpose of using nginx speed and a lean webserver? if you add ALLTHEMODS, you just have another apache
• 160[00:57:22] <ksk> *its
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• 162[00:58:05] <somiaj> de-facto: it was broken, so it was removed, and appears nothing has been put in its place.
• 163[00:58:06] <ksk> ehm nevermind, just the tree that nginx.org linked is gone, the module itself is still there.
• 164[00:58:20] <de-facto> hmm yet it seems it still releases replaced-url
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• 166[00:58:57] <somiaj> yea, usually they give a bug report, maybe it was something specific in debian that broke it, maybe it was fixed upstream but hasn't been included back in debian.
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• 168[00:59:51] <de-facto> debian has a very old version here replaced-url
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• 171[01:00:32] <somiaj> de-facto: well debian removed it, so what you are seeing is the version they had when the maintains determed it was broken and removed it
• 172[01:00:39] <somiaj> (note that is wheezy which is older release)
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• 174[01:00:47] <somiaj> ,v nginx-upload-module
• 175[01:00:48] <judd> No package named 'nginx-upload-module' was found in amd64.
• 176[01:01:29] <somiaj> I just wonder what the bug was that broke it and if it has since been fixed.
• 177[01:01:38] <de-facto> hmm its the "2.2.0 on 27 Sep 2010" version in debian, so there was a (well one) new release since then
• 178[01:02:03] <de-facto> yeah i am just trying to compile it, maybe i will encounter the bug
• 179[01:02:43] <somiaj> seems it was remove dfrom debian Wed, 01 May 2013, when was the next release after that?
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• 181[01:02:59] <somiaj> Anyways, if it ends up working, you could file a wishlist bug to see if the debian maintainers will bring it back in.
• 182[01:03:03] <de-facto> i think the "v2.3.0 on 2 Aug 2018"
• 183[01:03:24] <de-facto> that would be awesome actually *fingers crossed*
• 184[01:03:34] <somiaj> yea, see it could have been broken until only a year ago (about 7 years) which seems reasonable for debian to remove.
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• 186[01:04:02] <de-facto> yeah hopefully that was the only reason ...
• 187[01:04:15] <de-facto> i am just trying it to get more info and some experience
• 188[01:04:44] <ksk> its btw not too trust-generating that upstream closed its issue tracker ;)
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• 194[01:05:53] <de-facto> hmm maybe i did not link the original author? its forked...
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• 196[01:06:25] <ksk> replaced-url
• 197[01:06:41] <ksk> s/reference/refer to/
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• 199[01:07:25] <de-facto> hmm what is this one here then? replaced-url
• 200[01:08:07] <de-facto> not sure...
• 201[01:08:41] <de-facto> in the license its "Valery Kholodkov"
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• 204[01:08:58] <de-facto> but maybe the second repo took over the development?
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• 206[01:09:01] <ksk> there is #nginx btw, maybe ask there ;)
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• 208[01:09:09] <de-facto> good idea...
• 209[01:09:29] <ksk> mtecknology also lurks around in there (And he had its finger in the bug report stating the module is borken for nginx version x.y)
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• 240[01:17:43] <de-facto> I just asked there for official upstream repo, lets see who answers
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• 598[02:04:27] <yibotg> /part
• 599[02:04:34] <annadane> ok, moses
• 600[02:05:01] <de-facto> I think the http-upload 2.3.0 compiles just fine against latest nginx package from sid
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• 604[02:07:08] <de-facto> could even compile it as dynamic module in its own package as dep of nginx-extras
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• 704[03:09:53] <nyov> how do you configure wireguard p2p tunnel with one side as roadwarrior with changing IP?
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• 712[03:18:33] <nyov> nevermind, found it
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• 717[03:22:01] <gZen0n> Hi, I'm configuring a new debian server, and I was thinking about using a container application (i e Docker). But could someone explain me at which "layer" I have to use it ? (Should I install apache in a container ? Nginx ? Or should I install it on the whole system ?) Thanks
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• 733[03:31:35] <de-facto> gZen0n, depends I usually do install nginx with debian package and use it as reverse proxy to merge all the containers apis into one webpage, e.g with specific nginx locations and proxy_pass et al
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• 749[03:42:00] <gZen0n> @de-facto I'm figuring out, I don't understnad well the containers. I've read things about LXD. Is it the same as docker ? What are the differences ? And even application like fail2ban or iptables should be in a container ?
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• 757[03:47:47] <de-facto> no LXC are the LinuX Containers, LXD is a container manager by Canonical and Docker is by Docker, Inc
• 758[03:48:24] <de-facto> Kubernetes is by Google etc pp
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• 760[03:48:32] <de-facto> read about comparisons online
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• 764[03:49:31] <de-facto> i would run services like nginx, fail2ban on the host itself, iptables is even heavily employed by those container technologies
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• 766[03:50:17] <de-facto> btw also search for corresponding irc channels here if you made up your mind on which container tech you want to investigate further
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• 771[03:51:53] <gZen0n> @de-facto Thank you very much.
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• 775[03:54:44] <de-facto> e.g. LXC/D runs also on low end systems, Kubernetes can scale whole clusters and implement redundancy and failover uses docker), Docker got a very popular hub where you can automatically download gazilions of containers etc
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• 778[03:57:19] <de-facto> e.g. you may want to join #lxcontainers or #docker or #kubernetes
• 779[03:57:20] <gZen0n> I'm reading also that LXD is built to work *with* docker, as an entire Linux OS replaced-url
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• 782[03:58:19] <gZen0n> Is Docker Inc. fine with the opensource/GNU "spirit" ?
• 783[03:58:49] <de-facto> i thought LCD uses LXC
• 784[03:59:13] <gZen0n> Yes it is, as Docker do.
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• 787[03:59:43] <de-facto> hmm i think docker used to use LXC but has own implementation now (dont quote me on that though)
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• 792[04:03:34] <gZen0n> Informations are maybe old
• 793[04:03:48] <gZen0n> 2017
• 794[04:04:08] <de-facto> also Mirantis acquired Docker's enterprise business, including the Docker Engine replaced-url
• 795[04:04:29] <de-facto> yet they have the community edition...
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• 798[04:06:43] <de-facto> basically if you want it lightweight use LXC or systemd-nspawn, if you need loads of images use Docker replaced-url
• 799[04:08:06] <gZen0n> That is why I'm not sure which solution i want to choose... Even if Docker seems more easy to use and with a big community, I don't like so much that a so strategic solution that are the containers can be maintained by companies I don't know the motivations... That's also why I won't implement a google product in a Debian system...
• 800[04:09:34] <de-facto> it all depends on what you plan to do with it i guess (and which software you want to run, if its maintained properly etc)
• 801[04:11:27] <gZen0n> It's just a little personnal server, i'll use it for my own nextcloud server, testing applications etc... It's a small VPS, so I think I will go deeper in LXC
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• 804[04:14:42] <de-facto> many open source projects provide docker images though, yet docker will not run on a router properly but on a vps... if you plan to do small footprint/open system use LXC, if you want loads of images use Docker and if you really want to scale use Kubernetes for Docker i guess
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• 807[04:16:31] <de-facto> e.g. i run LXC on my router with OpenWRT and use Debian inside that, on my VPS i run Debian with Docker images for CI/CD and services yet i never really looked into Kubernetes because its huge...
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• 811[04:19:18] <de-facto> Kubernetes only really makes sense when you want to bundle several servers i guess
• 812[04:19:32] <gZen0n> It's really more complicated to build your own container than to load an image ?
• 813[04:19:53] <gZen0n> yes, i have heard about kubernetes clusters
• 814[04:20:12] <gZen0n> It's not what I need
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• 818[04:21:42] <de-facto> loading an image runs it in seconds (with default configs), building containers/images might take quite some time though is more flexible for custom solutions
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• 820[04:22:38] <de-facto> also usually Docker images are just the programs itself with configs and data mounts, lxc containers can run full linux (e.g. debian) on the host system kernel
• 821[04:23:37] <gZen0n> So it's more close to VM right ?
• 822[04:23:39] <de-facto> though for CI/CD you also can run a full Debian inside a Docker container for building environments
• 823[04:23:58] <de-facto> all of those use the host system kernel
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• 825[04:24:46] <de-facto> VM might go even beyond that (e.g. Xen, Virtualbox, KVM etc pp) you can run Windows on a Linux host etc
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• 827[04:25:16] <gZen0n> So, LXC is like having a Linux installation you can access via chroot ?
• 828[04:25:39] <de-facto> VM usually is employed in clouds for VPS, so can install windows or linux and never see anything from the host linux kernel
• 829[04:26:25] <de-facto> it goes far beyond chroot
• 830[04:26:39] <de-facto> but it has some similarities i guess
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• 834[04:28:22] <gZen0n> In my last job, we used VM's for having Windows Server installed on Linux servers like for teachers applications, or for administraions offices applications. It was more easy for us to guaranty the security for our customers.
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• 837[04:30:50] <de-facto> yeah thats a full Dom0 HyperVisor, so you dont share a linux kernel like on lxc/docker et al but use own guest kernel (e.g. windows on linux host)
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• 839[04:34:08] <de-facto> i use that with virt-manager or virtualbox, but there are also full operating systems like qubes-os where Xen is used for running multiple OS at once (e.g. Window/Linux) and you merge the windows in one KDE DE (e.g. Microsoft Office on Windows, Firefox on Debian and Chrome on Fedora or such)
• 840[04:35:14] <gZen0n> I'm not sure I completely understand the whole meaning of "kernel". What does it represent in a Debian system ? Binaries stocked somewhere ? Filesystem organisation ? specific accesses like /dev directory ? Are there packages that are part of the kernel ?
• 841[04:35:35] <gZen0n> Yes, I know about hypervisors
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• 848[04:39:08] <de-facto> its a huge topic but basically it provides a standard system interface e.g. "linux" or "windows" (fs, network, hw etc) as abstraction layer of the hardware which it manages with drivers (e.g. all the chips, gpu, network etc)
• 849[04:39:59] <de-facto> and much more of course...
• 850[04:40:49] <de-facto> everything in debian is provides in packages also kernel and kernel modules
• 851[04:41:06] <de-facto> so you can get kernel updates
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• 853[04:41:32] <de-facto> normally those require you to reboot, but some systems also provide live patching of running kernels
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• 855[04:42:57] <gZen0n> And whithout anything than the kernel, what could I do on a Linux system ? Would it be an console access ? (Thank you for your time btw)
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• 857[04:43:53] <de-facto> you could run kernel modules for example
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• 859[04:44:40] <de-facto> but basically all the userland programs provide the interfaces you normally would use (e.g. bash for console etc)
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• 861[04:45:53] <de-facto> but some software also runs in kernel space, e.g. wireguard vpn etc, but provides a userspace binary for managing it
• 862[04:46:27] <AntiSol> greetings. I'm having a weird issue accessing recovery mode on a Kali Linux (debian-based) VM. I'm trying to get into recovery mode so that I have read-only access to the root filesystem, but when I do it mounts / as read-write. I've looked at the grub boot options (by pressing 'e' at the grub prompt) and it has 'ro' and 'single' in there, but for some reason the root fs is still being mounted RW. I've tried a bunch of web searches for things like
• 863[04:46:27] <AntiSol> 'kali/debian recovery mode is not read only' but most of the answers seem to be people trying to remount as RW. I've tried 'mount -o remount,ro /' but it refuses to do this saying the filesystem is busy. Does anybody have any ideas? :)
• 864[04:47:04] <AntiSol> (my end goal: I want to use zerofree to compact the disk image)
• 865[04:47:07] <annadane> the thing is, you're asking debian support about a kali problem
• 866[04:47:13] <annadane> try kali support or ##linux
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• 868[04:47:44] <AntiSol> I know. but the kali channel is much smaller. thought somebody might have an idea ;)
• 869[04:47:55] <AntiSol> I'll ask there too
• 870[04:48:01] <annadane> we can't know if kali works the same way as debian, though
• 871[04:48:25] <AntiSol> well it's debian-based. and it's just grub. I'm doubtful there's a difference.
• 872[04:48:28] <gZen0n> Thank you, I may will read docs deeper.
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• 874[04:48:36] <AntiSol> how about this: what would you do if debian did what I'm describing?
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• 877[04:50:20] <gZen0n> I'm maybe wrong, but don't you need to mount it in another place than root, and then perform a chroot ?
• 878[04:50:56] <AntiSol> gZen0n: ooh, that might be an option. good suggestion!
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• 885[04:55:30] <AntiSol> unfortunately that doesn't do the trick as the root fs is still mounted r/w outside of the chroot.
• 886[04:55:48] <AntiSol> the real question is why is it mounting r/w when the 'ro' option has been passed by grub
• 887[04:55:53] <gZen0n> Don't you have a liveusb ?
• 888[04:56:08] <gZen0n> I can't help you about grub
• 889[04:56:30] <AntiSol> live usb. why didn't I think of that
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• 892[04:57:31] <flamboyando> AntiSol - don't do that i'm feeling sadomasochistic if sorts
• 893[04:57:48] <flamboyando> please be aware some other users might be inclined ;to
• 894[04:57:50] <annadane> isn't kali already meant to be used live and not with persistence
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• 896[04:57:56] <annadane> well anyway
• 897[04:58:06] <flamboyando> kali? why not make your own compilation?
• 898[04:58:21] <flamboyando> i'm not smart but if yu want you you'd want to
• 899[04:58:25] <de-facto> AntiSol, i once did reinstall grub like this from recovery: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt ; sudo mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev ; sudo mount -o bind /sys /mnt/sys ; sudo mount -t proc /proc /mnt/proc ; sudo chroot /mnt /bin/bash ; grub-install --force /dev/sda ; exit ; reboot
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• 901[04:59:18] <de-facto> that was a standard debian though
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• 903[05:00:03] <AntiSol> actually I've done that too. heh.
• 904[05:00:19] <AntiSol> kali can be installed, doesn't have to run live
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• 909[05:02:12] <nvz> !kali
• 910[05:02:13] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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• 917[05:07:32] <de-facto> any of your guys are familiar with debian packaging?
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• 919[05:07:52] <sponix> de-facto: nope, but I made 3 packages the other day
• 920[05:08:02] <annadane> there's #debian-mentors on oftc if you're interested
• 921[05:08:29] <sponix> annadane: I can get my own personal Debian mentor ?
• 922[05:08:31] <de-facto> I am trying to integrate nginx upload module in the latest debian package of nginx-extras
• 923[05:08:55] <annadane> yes i start at 5$ an hou
• 924[05:08:56] <annadane> r
• 925[05:08:58] <de-facto> it compiles just fine, but for some reason the debhelper scripts wont include the binary .so in the final package
• 926[05:08:59] <JackFrost> sponix: They tend to answer specific questions.
• 927[05:09:29] <sponix> JackFrost: I tend to have specific questions ;)
• 928[05:09:33] <de-facto> I cant see any difference in the new module as i tried to mimic the existing modules
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• 931[05:09:52] <sponix> annadane: what network is oftc (what does that stand for) ?
• 932[05:09:59] <annadane> irc.oftc.net
• 933[05:10:12] <de-facto> how can i find out why the .so file is not included yet its in the build folder for nginx-extras inside the debian folder?
• 934[05:10:13] <sponix> nice
• 935[05:10:41] <nvz> sponix: Open and Free Technology Community, its the official network of Debian irc.debian.org points there
• 936[05:10:52] <annadane> oh, the actual network description
• 937[05:10:56] <sponix> de-facto: is there a "Manifest" for this stuff ?
• 938[05:10:57] <annadane> i thought you just wanted the address
• 939[05:11:03] <nvz> sponix: many years ago this was the official network of Debian
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• 941[05:11:18] <sponix> nvz: lol.. I thought it still was
• 942[05:11:37] <sponix> wow, the things we learn
• 943[05:11:48] <nvz> sponix: would seem that way as this channel is larger and been around longer.. but its lonely now.. all the other specialized debian channels are on OFTC
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• 945[05:12:50] <nvz> sponix: if you were actually interested in working towards becomming a debian maintainer, mentor or packaging something compliant with debian policy FOR debian.. there is more individualized help.. but a strict process involved
• 946[05:12:53] <de-facto> i did not find any errors in the logs, just that it wont run the include steps as run by the other modules (yet it should be complete in the config files hence similar in all ways)
• 947[05:13:03] <nvz> s/mentor/developer/
• 948[05:13:37] <de-facto> any ideas where to look for more specific reasons for the missing inclusion of the binary .so
• 949[05:13:40] <de-facto> ?
• 950[05:13:47] <nvz> sponix: there is even a great deal of documentation on the process
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• 954[05:15:39] <sponix> nvz: I'll have to talk to my boss, and see if I can fit it into my schedule
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• 956[05:16:22] <nvz> sponix: yeah.. if you work in tech, particularly with debian its a likely scenario it'd be a mutually beneficial endeavor
• 957[05:16:30] <sponix> nvz: right now I try to do at least one or two small HowTo videos each weekend. But I might also be able to do a few packages, or help out in some way
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• 959[05:17:03] <nvz> sponix: you can find the new maintainers guide and other resources on the website at replaced-url
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• 962[05:18:12] <sponix> nvz: well, I've retired from tech in General, and now just do a data entry clerk spot... I do maintain the stuff at my small office, but that is so light I wouldn't even consider it work :P
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• 965[05:18:19] <AntiSol> gZen0n: aaaand problem solved. Thanks so much. Can't believe I didn't think of that! :)
• 966[05:18:26] <nvz> sponix: the idea is you find something either needing some love.. like a package that is/was in debian and needs a maintainer, or something that would benefit debian that you can pacakge according to the DFSG and you get a sponsor to help you in policy compliance and doing uploads on your behalf and they help guide you in the process to maintaining a package for debian
• 967[05:18:59] <nvz> sponix: and as annadane said, the place to start that journey aside from the web link I gave you is in #debian-mentors on OFTC
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• 970[05:20:03] <sponix> nvz: well, the SSB I needed from rtorrent 0.9.8 .... I would like to see that make it to the official Buster backports for anyone else to have. So that stands out in my mind, but I'm sure there are others that need love too
• 971[05:20:20] * sponix goes to read from the link, and see if he is up to the task
• 972[05:20:33] <JackFrost> `wnpp-alert` might give interesting ideas.
• 973[05:20:33] <nvz> sponix: if however your interests are less than that, and you can't dedicate some time to not only maintaining a package, but attending conferences and meeting other debian maintainers/developers in the real world in person.. you are best off just asking specific questions on the proper irc channels and mailing lists
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• 975[05:21:45] <nvz> sponix: but in either case debian.org/devel has all the information meticulously documented.. Debian policy, structure, etc..
• 976[05:23:02] <yibotg> nvz: hello, master. remember the hp 520 display error? I had reinstalled the debian,and It displayed in 1024x768 with black band
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• 978[05:24:05] <nvz> yibotg: all I remember is that the information you had provided was not adding up.. that your xlog and kernel logs did not indicate the same version.. one showed the stretch 4.9 kernel and the other showed the 4.19 kernel.. so you had some explaining to do
• 979[05:25:28] <yibotg> nvz:thank you, and I installed win7 to reset the resolution set. but unfortunately, it displayed error as the same.
• 980[05:27:01] <nvz> yibotg: sounds like you have a hardware issue..
• 981[05:27:12] <yibotg> and now i can't upload the log to termbin for the system which is windows :-(
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• 983[05:28:22] <nvz> in windows you can take a screenshot by pressing the print screen (prtscr) button and then opening ms paint and pressing ctrl+v to paste, then saving the image and upload it to imgur.com
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• 985[05:29:22] <yibotg> nvz: ok thank you!(*•̀ᴗ•́*)و ̑̑
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• 987[05:30:38] <nvz> the kind of issue you describe happening in two diff OS, should probably be visible in a screenshot
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• 992[05:31:27] <nvz> might be best to open your display properties (where you adjust resolution) and the device manager when you do so.. to show the driver status and resolution settings
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• 994[05:33:30] <yibotg> nvz:there is only 1024x768 32 bit in the resolution settings.I had upload the screenshot and photo on the web please wait
• 995[05:34:23] <nvz> yibotg: does the screenshot you took show the issue you see on the screen?
• 996[05:34:41] <nvz> if not then its a broken screen most likely.. i.e. the display panel itself
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• 998[05:35:02] <annadane> really? that's how people screenshot in windows?
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• 1000[05:35:08] <annadane> good grief
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• 1003[05:35:42] <nvz> idk.. I haven't used windows in ages, but they never had a screenshot tool and that worked back in the day
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• 1005[05:36:23] <JackFrost> I thought 10 finally got one.
• 1006[05:36:32] <nvz> it may have for all I know
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• 1008[05:37:16] <yibotg> replaced-url
• 1009[05:37:22] <nvz> but from many years experince using windows and servicing it, they tend to only confuse/change the UI and do little under the hood.. so I doubt that trick I explained would've changed
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• 1013[05:37:59] <nvz> yibotg: thats the bios logo screen, and even the logo seems off-center which I never seen on a machine before..
• 1014[05:38:41] <yibotg> and replaced-url
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• 1016[05:40:07] <nvz> neither of those images really shows an obvious diplay problem with incorrect resolution and a "band" as you say
• 1017[05:40:27] <nvz> nor would they as the display is in early-boot phase where it'd be in a compatibility mode of sorts
• 1018[05:41:28] <yibotg> and replaced-url
• 1019[05:42:20] <nvz> now that is more telling.. like the bios logo the image seems shifted to the left
• 1020[05:42:40] <nvz> and yeah, because the bios logo also seems shifted to the left, this looks like its def a hardwre issue
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• 1022[05:43:05] <nvz> not one I've ever seen before.. its an odd way for a screen to go bad for sure.. its perfectly visible..
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• 1024[05:43:57] <nvz> yibotg: does the system have any other obvious problems or recent changes like a flashed bios recently, or a frayed power cord, random lockups or crashes?
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• 1026[05:45:31] <nvz> yibotg: is the issue intermittant? i.e. does it go back to normal? does pinching around the edge of the screen cause anything to happen or pressing just above the keyboard firmly change anything?
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• 1032[05:51:11] <yibotg> nvz: yeah, I've understanded your says with the help of translation tools, so it's a long time reply. maybe some little hardware issue for sometimes it can run correctly.
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• 1034[05:52:28] <nvz> yibotg: what is your native tongue?
• 1035[05:52:34] <nvz> chinese I guess
• 1036[05:52:43] <yibotg> nvz:and I wish I had not enlarge the broken by the many tries
• 1037[05:52:49] <yibotg> chinese
• 1038[05:53:04] <yibotg> yeah :-)
• 1039[05:53:18] <nvz> yeah I can't be of much help there.. I really understand any form of chinese..
• 1040[05:53:26] <nvz> I really do not understand that is
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• 1044[05:56:25] <nvz> yibotg: the machine is very old. it is most likely a hardware problem due to the fact that it has this issue from the first screen with the HP logo.. the nature of the problem depends on some of the suggestions I made like checking the power cord is in good condition, trying to pinch/squeeze the edge of the screen with your fingers, pressing firmly above the keyboard, and looking for any significant change..
• 1045[05:56:31] <nvz> etc
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• 1047[05:57:18] <nvz> usually intermittant issues are either connection related, i.e. loose wires, interference of some kind, or power related.. bad capacitors, unstable or incorrect voltages..
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• 1049[05:58:10] <yibotg> nvz:I translated the chinese word by word, that may made you wierd.
• 1050[05:58:14] <nvz> this particular issue though has none of the typical signs of any problem I am familiar with.. a display shifted to one side is usually the firmware.. but as it is a laptop display and not a monitor, it has no positional adjustment setting to be messed with
• 1051[05:58:42] <nvz> yibotg: yes, you are not totally clear either when you speak, but somewhat understandable
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• 1056[06:02:00] <nvz> yibotg: do you have an external display you can connect to this machine to see if it has the same issue when using another display?
• 1057[06:02:18] <yibotg> nvz: thank you, for the patient answer and these suggestions, a pleasant experience. best wishes.
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• 1061[06:05:01] <yibotg> I have the VGA Line and a CRT screen but can't try now. I will update the news when I have tried.
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• 1201[07:46:49] <edlou> would running borg backup on root file system lead to any type of corruption?
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• 1204[07:48:07] <jm_> edlou: why would it?
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• 1208[07:50:50] <edlou> jm_: if i knew i would not be asking :(
• 1209[07:51:06] <edlou> my assumption is copying of binaries or files that may be in use?
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• 1211[07:52:04] <jm_> ok that type of corruption, yeah if you do it for things like DB data files, then it can end up corrupted
• 1212[07:52:26] <edlou> whats my best way to start making system backups on ext4?
• 1213[07:52:40] <edlou> live usb and dd? or any suggestion you may have?
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• 1216[07:53:08] <sponix2ipfw> pragomer: I can tell you that I use rsync for backup tasks. Been doing it for years and have no problems
• 1217[07:53:11] <terr__> stupid Question) KDE desktop. I found Konsole - looks okay. And an option is File Manager. WEll - File Manager shows 4 devices. 100 GiB HDD, 12333 GiD HDD (those will be the original and still untouched Windows system) and 9.6 GiB Removable and 17.3 GiB Removable. (THese will be the USB thumb drive I installed Debian on). Here is the issue. That USB thumb drive is 100 GiB. So. File Manager is only showing formatted and presumably mounted
• 1218[07:53:22] <jm_> I do it in runtime, but I don't have any databases and such running, and for the rest (i.e. sqlite) I simply take the risk
• 1219[07:53:35] <terr__> partitions. Which means its LYING to me. These are not devices at all. How do I actually SEE the devices. Windows is ugly but it is showing me the actual hardware
• 1220[07:53:45] <annadane> there are no stupid questions
• 1221[07:54:09] <jm_> terr__: tools like lsblk, lshw etc.
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• 1224[07:54:47] <terr__> Is there a web page with all this on it?
• 1225[07:54:55] <jm_> "all"?
• 1226[07:55:32] <edlou> sponix2ipfw: i was using rsync before introduced to borg
• 1227[07:55:33] <terr__> Ya. I have the book Linux in a Nutshell but its ancient. and I need to find it.
• 1228[07:55:40] <edlou> the compression on borg is amazing
• 1229[07:55:52] <edlou> deduplication is it called? as well
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• 1231[07:56:10] <terr__> Disk low level commands should be documented on a cheat sheet.
• 1232[07:56:25] <jm_> !tell terr__ -about grounding
• 1233[07:56:33] <netvixtra> assimilate your backup
• 1234[07:56:35] <netvixtra> we are borg
• 1235[07:56:56] <jm_> terr__: the debian reference is a good start
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• 1238[07:57:55] <terr__> jm_ where do I find it? Lets see. 10 pages on monitor 3. I can pop it up there.
• 1239[07:58:12] <sponix2ipfw> terr__: I have had experience with lots of backup stuff over the years. IMHO it should be just kept as simple as possible
• 1240[07:58:31] <jm_> terr__: did you not get a message from dpkg the bot?
• 1241[07:58:43] <jm_> you should have: 07:56 *dpkg* told terr__ about grounding.
• 1242[07:58:48] <terr__> sponix2ipfw, that is how I do it.
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• 1244[07:59:14] <terr__> nope. dpkg apparently doesn't like me right now.
• 1245[07:59:20] <jm_> !grounding
• 1246[07:59:20] <dpkg> Before asking in here or on the <debian-user> mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. The Debian Administrator's Handbook is also good. Ask me about <ig>, <overview>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>, <debian-handbook> (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference).
• 1247[07:59:37] <terr__> jm_, so far all looks great with the install.
• 1248[07:59:44] <terr__> go it now.
• 1249[07:59:45] <annadane> oh wow that is thorough
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• 1254[08:01:28] <sponix2ipfw> Seems I have a lot of reading to do
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• 1264[08:11:04] <terr__> jm_, the bot did work. Properly too. I clipped this and brought up stupid notepad and pasted. Ya - it wasn't worth looking at in 1985
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• 1269[08:16:45] <edlou> sponix2ipfw: what do you think about me rsync and then borg backup the rsync for file space? you ever tried this?
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• 1275[08:19:32] <terr__> jm_, working. let me read up on this. THanks
• 1276[08:19:55] <jm_> no worries
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• 1280[08:21:31] <annadane> can we start calling the debian reference manual the debian bible?
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• 1283[08:22:29] <tarzeau> annadane: the (holy) bible tells a story, the manual is just some technical text, not something to read from start to end
• 1284[08:22:36] <tarzeau> annadane: it doesn't make sense, really
• 1285[08:22:45] <annadane> b-but it sounds cool
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• 1299[08:30:07] <terr__> in /dev/disk what would wwn be? 4 partitions there
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• 1332[08:52:14] <larsen_> Test
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• 1334[08:52:23] <jm_> test failed
• 1335[08:52:44] <larsen_> Hey, Anyone here knowing something about the Steam app Crashing in Ubuntu / Debian based distros?
• 1336[08:52:57] <larsen_> jm_: shhh pls...
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• 1356[09:01:09] <Lope> ratrace, there's a problem with the way we boot.
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• 1359[09:01:40] <Lope> putting all the disks in /etc/crypttab. Because if any of the disks listed is not present, the system won't boot.
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• 1362[09:02:19] <Lope> ratrace, I tried adding the "quiet" option to each disk, but it didn't help.
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• 1370[09:07:49] <ratrace> Lope: yeah crypttab is stupid like that, and I don't know of a way to instruct initramfs to skip, via kernel command line or something
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• 1373[09:08:13] <ratrace> you simply need all them disks, or it's rescue time, mount time, chroot time, and editty edit time.
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• 1379[09:12:36] <Lope> ratrace, yeah. the way I've done my server currently is that the rootfs is mdraid 1. which can boot fine with one disk missing.
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• 1382[09:12:57] <Lope> but then for the ZFS stuff, I'm thinking, instead of mounting the ZFS in the /etc/crypttab I should do it in a startup script.
• 1383[09:13:06] <Lope> That way the system can still come up if a disk is missing.
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• 1387[09:14:04] <Lope> although, actually I just realized I overlooked the full disk encryption on the mdraid 1.
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• 1391[09:14:29] <Lope> I just realized my test system where I removed a disk, doesn't have FDE.
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• 1393[09:15:07] <Lope> ratrace, ah, of course! I just figured it out. It's actually easy.
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• 1395[09:15:50] <Lope> Just decrypt the disks inside the initramfs and stop using the normal password asking interface it provides.
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• 1513[10:28:03] <terr__> jm_, thanks. I will read up on it.
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• 1542[10:47:17] <terr__> the machine I am working on keeps going into lockdown. Is there an easy way to change the timeout?
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• 1545[10:48:49] <netvixtra> gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.screensaver lock-delay <seconds>
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• 1565[11:00:53] <terr__> damn - I forget how to do a pipe
• 1566[11:00:58] <terr__> is it >
• 1567[11:01:23] <diogenes_> terr__, |
• 1568[11:01:47] <terr__> what does cat tlnotes do? append?
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• 1572[11:04:06] <terr__> cat won't do it. It will print what is in tlnotes. I want to append to the file
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• 1577[11:06:57] <terr__> I have a really nice long command I had to type in the hard way. I want to copy it into a notes file.
• 1578[11:07:23] <jelly> cat >> file would append
• 1579[11:07:35] <jelly> cat > file would overwrite
• 1580[11:07:35] <terr__> okay
• 1581[11:07:56] <jelly> this is called "redirection"
• 1582[11:08:37] <jelly> replaced-url
• 1583[11:08:41] <Haohmaru> >> appends? wowz
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• 1587[11:10:59] <terr__> got it. I needed echo
• 1588[11:11:36] <terr__> Haohmaru, years since I have been on a decent machine.
• 1589[11:12:36] <terr__> in gsettings lock-delay is uint32 0
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• 1592[11:12:44] <terr__> what should I set it to?
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• 1597[11:16:48] <terr__> its done
• 1598[11:17:29] <terr__> only thing is the machine is running kde and not gnome
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• 1600[11:18:41] <terr__> I feel like I have been lost in the desert for a decade
• 1601[11:18:46] <terr__> and I have been
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• 1603[11:21:51] <netvixtra> kcmshell5 screenlocker
• 1604[11:21:58] <terr__> now I want to fix the fonts and colors. Its pretty bad
• 1605[11:21:59] <netvixtra> set your poison
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• 1608[11:22:09] <netvixtra> plasma 5?
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• 1610[11:22:44] <terr__> I don't know. I did see plasma referred to when it was booting. It is default.
• 1611[11:23:10] <terr__> I installed it a year ago. Finally booted it yesterday
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• 1622[11:29:13] <terr__> I don't think the konsole settings are what I"m after. They are good enough. I think its the #pixels. This looks to be running in svga mode 640x768. I need to get it to 768x1024
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• 1625[11:30:55] <terr__> this is a 2nd screen on a notebook. the notebook screen is fine. This 2nd screen would be fine if I parked it in the next parking lot. Like my eyes are GOOD.
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• 1630[11:36:59] <Guest_by_chance> Hi. Can I post in here without registration
• 1631[11:37:02] <Guest_by_chance> ???
• 1632[11:37:09] <Guest_by_chance> looks good
• 1633[11:37:14] <terr__> yup
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• 1635[11:37:30] <Guest_by_chance> anyone clue about hibernation/suspend to disk ?
• 1636[11:38:25] <Guest_by_chance> I have a debian-based distro, which ran from an encrypted thumbdrive. And I closed the laptop's lid, what mostly triggers suspend to disk/hibernsate
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• 1638[11:38:39] <Guest_by_chance> and now is my question...
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• 1640[11:39:56] <Guest_by_chance> is my laptop hackable in this state ? 1) No lan cable 2) Lid closed 3) Session locked 4) Hibernation active.
• 1641[11:40:25] <Guest_by_chance> if it was, then it must be via wifi. Is wifi running at all in hibernation/suspend to disk ?
• 1642[11:41:35] <sponix2ipfw> Guest_by_chance: try to ping it from another computer on your local network and see
• 1643[11:41:58] <Guest_by_chance> now it is too late already
• 1644[11:42:20] <Guest_by_chance> the encrypted tumbdrive was inside the closed and locked lap
• 1645[11:42:37] <Guest_by_chance> once i rebooted it, it did not boot anymore
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• 1647[11:43:25] <sponix2ipfw> Nice
• 1648[11:43:30] <Guest_by_chance> so, is this a typical hacker's strategy: Steal my OS-partition with it's data, delete the encrtypted partition with the OS and merge one unencrypted partition with the new obtained space.????
• 1649[11:44:08] <Guest_by_chance> because after examining the partitions, only one with the size of the entire stick was present. Unencrypted, with some harmless movies.
• 1650[11:45:02] <Guest_by_chance> so, either someone stole and then deleted my os partition , and this during hibernation by wifi, OR I accidently mixed up two of my thumbdrives
• 1651[11:45:25] <sponix2ipfw> Guest_by_chance: Debian based? This Kali Linux by chance?
• 1652[11:45:37] <Guest_by_chance> You are DAMN cool
• 1653[11:45:39] <Guest_by_chance> yes
• 1654[11:46:01] <sponix2ipfw> !kali
• 1655[11:46:02] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 1656[11:46:12] <Guest_by_chance> ok ok, understood
• 1657[11:46:27] <Guest_by_chance> but my questions are about hibernation in general
• 1658[11:46:32] <Guest_by_chance> still not welcome ?
• 1659[11:46:55] <sponix2ipfw> Odds are you are prone to "user error" and switched up the drives
• 1660[11:47:23] <Haohmaru> h4x0r linux
• 1661[11:47:26] <Guest_by_chance> good, my fear is, that this access is possbile at all
• 1662[11:47:35] <sponix2ipfw> And your interest in security has made you paranoid
• 1663[11:47:53] <Guest_by_chance> this is right. Happens to most of those guys
• 1664[11:48:06] <Guest_by_chance> most of them can deal with that
• 1665[11:48:19] <Guest_by_chance> paranoia is a common diseas n ourdays
• 1666[11:48:23] <sponix2ipfw> Guest_by_chance: confirm by recreating the situation then and testing
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• 1668[11:48:40] <Guest_by_chance> yeah. This is the only way.
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• 1670[11:48:52] <Guest_by_chance> but I do not have the settings...
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• 1672[11:49:15] <Guest_by_chance> which i abviously lost / or placed the stick somewhere TOO HIDDEN ...
• 1673[11:49:30] <Guest_by_chance> so that even I cannot find it again
• 1674[11:50:23] <Guest_by_chance> i think, this settings are runlevel dependent. Meaning, I surely can say: Put ALL NIC's off, when entering hibernate
• 1675[11:50:35] <Guest_by_chance> is this right ?
• 1676[11:52:00] <sponix2ipfw> Seems like you need to speak with your life coach, take your medicine, and just do the security basics
• 1677[11:53:55] <sponix2ipfw> I have been running Linux since 1995, just doing the basics. And have yet to be owned like you fear
• 1678[11:54:26] <Guest_by_chance> like me, but i started a bit later.
• 1679[11:54:40] <Guest_by_chance> 2009 i thinlk
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• 1681[11:55:08] <Guest_by_chance> slackware, than LFS then gentoo and debian and then kali ...
• 1682[11:55:37] <Guest_by_chance> so I know some basics
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• 1685[11:55:53] <Haohmaru> <paranoia.jpg.exe>
• 1686[11:56:00] <sponix2ipfw> That being said. Kali is an offensive focus. So I wouldn't be leaving it up long term anyway
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• 1689[11:57:43] <sponix2ipfw> And Debian can do the tools of Kali anyway without doing dumb things like running root all the time
• 1690[11:58:16] <Haohmaru> kali runs root all the time?
• 1691[11:58:21] <Guest_by_chance> NO
• 1692[11:58:36] <Guest_by_chance> it needs root for some of the special tools
• 1693[11:58:36] <cousin_luigi> What is "ntpd: dns engine" ?
• 1694[11:58:56] <Guest_by_chance> so now i leave, talk to You guys later.
• 1695[11:59:52] <sponix2ipfw> Guest_by_chance: in which the same tools can run by sudo from a non root X session on Debian
• 1696[12:00:01] <yibotg> Hi everyone, I have a Dell venue 8 tablet.Can installed debian on it?
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• 1699[12:00:38] <Haohmaru> yibotg you could try it
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• 1701[12:00:44] <sponix2ipfw> cousin_luigi: network time protocol daemon
• 1702[12:01:01] <cousin_luigi> sponix2ipfw: ...
• 1703[12:01:08] <Haohmaru> there are "live" images which can boot from a flash stick to desktop, without installing
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• 1705[12:01:33] <yibotg> It has only one slot to charge and to plug usb
• 1706[12:02:03] <sponix2ipfw> yibotg: if it is Android by default check the XDA forum and see if it has been done before
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• 1708[12:02:13] <cousin_luigi> sponix2ipfw: What is that dns engine? A cache? A resolver?
• 1709[12:02:41] <interrobangd> DAMN! dpkg cleans my "on hold" packages
• 1710[12:02:54] <interrobangd> .. if some packages are updated
• 1711[12:02:55] <sponix2ipfw> cousin_luigi: ntp is to sync your system clock
• 1712[12:03:03] <yibotg> sponix2ipfw:no,it's win 8 tablet and I had updated it to win 10
• 1713[12:03:08] <sponix2ipfw> cousin_luigi: nothing to do with dns
• 1714[12:03:52] <cousin_luigi> sponix2ipfw: that would be "ntpd: ntp engine"
• 1715[12:03:54] <niko> /10/10
• 1716[12:04:11] <yibotg> Haohmaru:let me try :-)the debian support the touch screen?
• 1717[12:05:21] <jm_> cousin_luigi: based on quick look on codesearch.d.n it's a dns resolver
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• 1719[12:05:43] <cousin_luigi> jm_: Why does it need its own? For service continuity?
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• 1721[12:06:37] <Haohmaru> yibotg no idea, i hate touchscreens
• 1722[12:07:06] <jm_> cousin_luigi: in general lookups can block, so probably just a way to avoid that
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• 1724[12:07:30] <Haohmaru> yibotg but if you have a spare usb flash stick, you could just put debian-10-live-LXDE (for example) on it and try it out
• 1725[12:07:31] <cousin_luigi> jm_: Is this new?
• 1726[12:07:58] <cousin_luigi> jm_: And do all ntp daemons follow that practice? Otherwise I'll look into chrony.
• 1727[12:08:02] <jm_> there are no comments in the file replaced-url
• 1728[12:08:23] <jm_> cousin_luigi: no idea if it's new, I don't see that process in buster
• 1729[12:08:25] <cousin_luigi> I see. Thanks for digging it up.
• 1730[12:08:29] <cousin_luigi> jm_: I am on buster.
• 1731[12:08:41] <jm_> cousin_luigi: maybe it depends on config
• 1732[12:08:49] <cousin_luigi> Where's the upstream repo? Perhaps I can see something in the commits.
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• 1734[12:09:10] <cousin_luigi> jm_: Couldn't find anything related in the docs. BUt then, I'm not using the default.
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• 1736[12:09:29] <jm_> debian's copyright file says ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/OpenNTPD/
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• 1738[12:10:08] <jm_> hehe CVS replaced-url
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• 1740[12:10:43] <jm_> replaced-url
• 1741[12:10:52] <jm_> it's for security apparently
• 1742[12:11:00] <jm_> ahh it also mentions blocking :)
• 1743[12:11:02] <yibotg> haohmaru: yeah I have it,which desktop envirment support the touch screen?
• 1744[12:11:03] <cousin_luigi> Thanks, you're a real hound:)
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• 1746[12:11:41] <Haohmaru> yibotg no idea, as i said, i hate touchscreens, i don't wanna hear about them
• 1747[12:11:52] <Haohmaru> so *shrug*
• 1748[12:12:03] <Haohmaru> someone else might know
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• 1751[12:13:09] <yibotg> Haohmaru: ok : ) maybe I will follow you
• 1752[12:13:32] <Haohmaru> yibotg this could give some clues: replaced-url
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• 1759[12:16:50] <netvixtra> My X1 Carbon with a 2560x1440 touchscreen works fine thou
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• 1761[12:17:29] <yibotg> Haohmaru:Ok,thx.
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• 1777[12:26:10] <terr__> what command will show me the actual partition tables?
• 1778[12:26:28] <terr__> and unallocated space
• 1779[12:27:12] <jm_> fdisk -l
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• 1781[12:27:40] <jm_> parted -l
• 1782[12:27:46] <terr__> jm_, told you its been a while
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• 1784[12:28:16] <terr__> command not found
• 1785[12:28:22] <jm_> run it as root
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• 1792[12:31:16] <terr__> ya - I see how I did this. I set up a Linux and Extended. about 32 GiB so far. Its on a 100 GiB usb stick
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• 1796[12:32:45] <jm_> weirdo stick
• 1797[12:33:04] <terr__> I am going to take a short break. I need to think about this. Ya - exactly.
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• 1799[12:33:22] <terr__> I did it a year ago and had to drop it.
• 1800[12:34:03] <jm_> I meant due to weird size, one would expect something like 128G
• 1801[12:34:10] <terr__> I have a very good memory so I tend to not write things down. Also I already know if I do write it down I'll forget where I put it.
• 1802[12:34:23] <terr__> no - this one is 100
• 1803[12:34:56] <terr__> sh*t - that is the speed. its 32 GiB.
• 1804[12:35:26] <terr__> ha ha ha laugh is on me. I was wondering what I was going to do with all that extra space and I was lookin for it!
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• 1806[12:36:32] <terr__> Well now I know I can stop looking
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• 1810[12:39:19] <terr__> Okay - next issue - how do I back up that original windows HDD. looks like a 230GB drive. Mostly empty. I was thinking just use dd
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• 1813[12:41:06] <terr__> is there a way to do this into files say partition by partition with compression? Can I restore a bootable system this way? And I want to try it but these USB cards etc are SLOOOreplaced-url
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• 1815[12:43:33] <jm_> terr__: partimage can only backup the used space and also compress the file, but sadly it's not available in buster
• 1816[12:43:59] <push32> hi
• 1817[12:44:02] <jm_> replaced-url
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• 1819[12:44:16] <terr__> how do I tell what version I am on? uname ?
• 1820[12:44:27] <jm_> cat /etc/debian_version
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• 1822[12:44:46] <Haohmaru> stahp exploiting teh poor cat
• 1823[12:44:50] <jm_> !ssb partimage
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• 1825[12:45:00] <jm_> ,checkbackport partimage
• 1826[12:45:02] <judd> Backporting package partimage in sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster.
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• 1828[12:45:14] <jm_> looks trivial to backpor then
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• 1831[12:45:36] <terr__> 9.7
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• 1834[12:46:18] <jm_> stretch has partimage
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• 1836[12:47:11] <jm_> !codenames
• 1837[12:47:11] <dpkg> Debian release codenames are buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), sarge (3.1), etch (4.0), lenny (5.0), squeeze (6.0), wheezy (7) jessie (8) stretch (9) buster (10) and sid=Unstable. "lsb_release -sc" (lsb-release package) will display a Debian system's codename. replaced-url
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• 1839[12:47:17] <jm_> so you'll know which is which
• 1840[12:47:53] <push32> I've got a question on setting up a default user quota for all existing and new users. I'm running a multi-user debian server, user authentication is done via AD/ldap, on first login their home directories get created. from what I understood the quota management tools allow for setting quotas to individual users or on a whole group (meaning the summed disk usage of users in that group). what I want is a default quota for each individual user, existing or
• 1841[12:47:53] <push32> new. do the quota tools allow for this or do I need to write some scripts myself?
• 1842[12:48:25] <terr__> jm_, I am comming out of my cave
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• 1844[12:49:09] <terr__> Now that I know I don't have to look for those missing (100-32) GB of space on that USB stick I can get on with things.
• 1845[12:49:15] <jm_> terr__: in other words, you should be able to install partimage on stretch, but think about upgrading it to 10.x, there's also clonezilla live image which has partimage on it
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• 1847[12:49:48] <terr__> jm_, I have not installed anything. I am just backing it up before I repartition and install
• 1848[12:50:07] <terr__> I will install the current version.
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• 1850[12:52:32] <terr__> I have a big HDD (external) and I can set up a partition (or file) to match any HDD in these machines. Just slop the whole thing over. lord I can get 2 TB for like $65 bux. beer costs more.
• 1851[12:53:30] <terr__> I am thinking for any decent release it should nicely fit into say 32GB because with Buster installed it looks pretty empty.
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• 1855[12:54:46] <terr__> total is like 427 GB and this drive is 2 TB
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• 1917[13:32:03] <japans> replaced-url
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• 1920[13:32:55] <terr__> What I would like to do is use a basic run of the mill utility like dd to copy the whole hard drive onto backup media. That way if I ever have to access it I can get me a new drive and just rebuild and start over.... IE - a fail safe. Checkpoint.
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• 1924[13:34:18] <terr__> dd if=/dev/sda of=blah should do it. do I need to set bs? what about bad sectors? what about different sizes? like what if the old drive is 230 GB and the target is a TB?
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• 1927[13:35:25] <JyZyXEL> 'ddrescue' has handling for bad sectors
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• 1932[13:36:58] <jm_> why the whole drive? at least copy just the used partitions, and no, you don't need to set bs, it will use some default, as for bad sectors, it will stop if it can't read stuff, ddrescue has options related to that
• 1933[13:37:47] <terr__> jm_, I am checking into ddrescue - looks perfect. I did not know of it.
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• 1936[13:38:56] <jm_> terr__: there's also safecopy
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• 1941[13:39:14] <terr__> I'll look into both.
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• 1947[13:40:08] <terr__> I am just being very pedantic. These are old windows systems and in fact I doubt I will ever use them. But I want the bootable image if I need it. THEN I set up multiboot and move forward.
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• 1951[13:40:52] <terr__> jm_, the thing is - if its OSS and expecially GNU then I know I can trust it.
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• 2005[14:19:39] <Aebian> are there any good replacements for nomacs you can recommend? for kde
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• 2042[14:46:04] <J0P3YE> Another day of rain.
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• 2046[14:47:18] <J0P3YE> (disregard^)
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• 2081[15:04:49] <Guest90790> Hello I have a vpn connection set up, once i disconnect i loose interner how do I restart network in SystemD?
• 2082[15:05:08] <Guest90790> systemctl restart networking.service?
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• 2109[15:12:01] <Guest90790> Hello? anyone here?
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• 2116[15:13:41] <wwilliam> anyone can please tellme how do i restart my network ? i cant find a straight answer in google/
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• 2118[15:14:42] <GKI> trst
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• 2126[15:18:22] <wwilliam> Hello sorry my network is acting up any answer please?
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• 2132[15:19:33] <diogenes_> wwilliam, systemctl restart NetworkManager?
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• 2134[15:20:09] <wwilliam> Thank you will try that also.
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• 2181[15:40:52] <jelly> who is this unknown pasta that I have never spoken to before
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• 2187[15:42:08] <Haohmaru> a self-aware pasta
• 2188[15:42:16] <Haohmaru> autonomous
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• 2191[15:42:54] <Haohmaru> or maybe an old friend from your previous life where you've been a pasta
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• 2193[15:43:10] <Haohmaru> ..instead of a jelly
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• 2196[15:44:29] <ravioli> jelly: you should know about the pastas
• 2197[15:44:30] <ravioli> we are all one
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• 2201[15:45:42] <ravioli> jelly: figured out all my issues
• 2202[15:46:30] <ravioli> jelly: turns out digitalocean has a kernel management thing in the settings, which i was messing with. but if you just want to use like, normal kernel management, including the ability to use up-to-date kernels for buster, you switch to their "grubloader" kernel: replaced-url
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• 2211[15:54:06] <terr__> I have been going through the ddrescue docs. looks great. Looks like I have a couple of options. 1) /dev/sda(source) /dev/usb(target) and this will be device level. 2) /dev/sda(source) /home/backups/file(target) Is there any reason to choose one over the other?
• 2212[15:55:03] <terr__> it also looks like it will compress which is what I would likely want.
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• 2239[16:07:11] <frostschutz> terr__, block devices may already have arbitrary data, in segments that ddrescue might not have been able to copy. in a new file you can guarantee uncopied data is zero
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• 2247[16:08:45] <frostschutz> terr__, also easy to overwrite the wrong block device... but well, those are subtle differences, there's not really any big reasons
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• 2253[16:11:49] <no_gravity> Hello! When I am in my local terminal inside screen inside vim - can I yank to my Gnome clipboard?
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• 2261[16:13:30] <karlpinc> no_gravity: No idea. You can always use middle-mouse paste after hilightiing with the mouse.
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• 2263[16:13:56] <no_gravity> karlpinc: It's multiple pages.
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• 2266[16:16:02] <terr__> frostschutz, sort of what I was thinking. Next question. I am partitioning a 2TB drive for backups and I do want it bootable. May as well be. So far I set up a FAT32 at 29.72 GB and tried to match sector for sector a 32 GB SD card. Well no joy there. I cannot get same sector counts. Again. Idea. be able to use dd to copy and create. Otherwise I need to be able to play with MBR sectors. Which I have done before. If I ever wish to duplicate that
• 2267[16:16:02] <terr__> drive - or move the boot partition to a new drive of a different size... how? device level? I can certainly work at the device level but the sector counts WILL NOT BE THE SAME
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• 2270[16:18:08] <terr__> if ddrescue is asked to create /dev/usbblah from a file... and the target device is not the same size... what does it do?
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• 2273[16:18:53] <frostschutz> terr__, oh sure, device size is a big one. dd(rescue) will produce a bit perfect copy but partition tables such as GPT record device size, so a partition table on a larger vs smaller disk have different sizes recorded on disk so after dd it won't be correct for the larger one, and needs to be corrected with a partitioning tool
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• 2277[16:19:24] <frostschutz> if you do a raw device to device copy, it helps if they have the same size, also sector size
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• 2279[16:21:25] <terr__> and if they don't? partition tables are a mismatch. addresses are wrong. Its a dog's breakfast
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• 2286[16:27:09] <karlpinc> frostschutz: GPT really records overall device size, not just partition offsets and extents?
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• 2288[16:27:52] <frostschutz> karlpinc, it puts a backup header at end of drive and some things complain if its not there
• 2289[16:28:37] <karlpinc> frostschutz: Thanks.
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• 2291[16:29:23] <karlpinc> frostschutz: So in theory you could dd to a larger drive and it would complain but work. Then you deal with the complaint.
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• 2293[16:30:27] <terr__> karlpinc, you should be able to dd to a partition on a large drive.
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• 2296[16:31:22] <joepublic> there's always clonezilla
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• 2300[16:33:50] <zodd> when I login onto a server with ssh chances are I do not get the whole history of commands. Those issued from another ssh session seem to have been lost.
• 2301[16:33:57] <zodd> How can I get these back please?
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• 2304[16:34:38] <karlpinc> zodd: They don't get saved until logout. If you don't logout and your session is killed for some reason they don't get saved.
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• 2306[16:35:33] <zodd> ah. atm I am puzzling what the exact syntax and location was required for a particular test :-(
• 2307[16:35:35] <zodd> ty
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• 2309[16:36:05] <karlpinc> zodd: Technically, until bash exits. So you can ssh in, run bash, and occasionally exit bash and re-execute it just to manually save. If you really want to.
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• 2311[16:37:48] <terr__> karlpinc, what about tee?
• 2312[16:37:52] <joshuaBPMan> Hey debian, I am having some issues installing wordpress plugins. I've made replaced-url
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• 2314[16:38:22] <petn-randall> joshuaBPMan: For ftp credentials? Why would they be needed?
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• 2316[16:38:29] <joshuaBPMan> I've also got my nginx configuration providing an alias for for wp-content.
• 2317[16:38:34] <joshuaBPMan> petn-randall: that's my question.
• 2318[16:38:49] <joshuaBPMan> wordpress should be able to download and install the plugin.
• 2319[16:38:51] <petn-randall> joshuaBPMan: Can you share a screenshot showing th eissue?
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• 2321[16:38:59] <petn-randall> *the issue
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• 2323[16:39:08] <joshuaBPMan> sure.
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• 2327[16:42:39] <karlpinc> terr__: tee is ok. Better is script.
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• 2330[16:43:45] <karlpinc> joshuaBPMan: The readme.debian for apache, or nginx, or whatever might help too.
• 2331[16:43:47] <karlpinc> !readme.debian
• 2332[16:43:47] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
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• 2335[16:44:26] <joshuaBPMan> karlpinc: and dpkg: thanks. I've read that document and it reccommends changing the wp-content directory to replaced-url
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• 2337[16:44:56] <karlpinc> joshuaBPMan: Also, depending on when you did this it might help to restart the webserver in case something is caching values.
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• 2340[16:45:13] <joshuaBPMan> karlpinc: I'll try that I guess too.
• 2341[16:45:15] <karlpinc> joshuaBPMan: (or the fpm, or whatever.)
• 2342[16:45:25] <joshuaBPMan> Also, i have a screenshot...how do I share it with ya'll?
• 2343[16:45:31] <karlpinc> !paste
• 2344[16:45:32] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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• 2351[16:48:34] <joshuaBPMan> replaced-url
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• 2353[16:48:53] <joshuaBPMan> nevermind that didn't work.
• 2354[16:49:25] <joshuaBPMan> replaced-url
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• 2375[17:00:26] <joshuaBPMan> define( 'FS_METHOD', 'direct' ); That seems to work...
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• 2378[17:03:23] <karlpinc> joshuaBPMan: IMO wordpress is a nightmare. (I hear ghost is better.)
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• 2382[17:03:52] <joshuaBPMan> karlpinc: I've never heard of ghost.
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• 2384[17:04:12] <joshuaBPMan> it looks like wordpress suggests that I should not have FS_METHOD set to direct tooo often.
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• 2386[17:04:35] <karlpinc> joshuaBPMan: I hear it's #2. But you can't call it ghost unless it's hosted at ghost.com (IIRC). So when you run it it's named something else.
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• 2389[17:06:15] <tripkin> ghost.org
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• 2402[17:16:42] <joshuaBPMan> thanks guys. I think I've got it working well enough now.
• 2403[17:17:02] <rafalcpp> how to make sure that I do not run software that has any serious CVE right now?
• 2404[17:17:18] <rafalcpp> similar to needrestart + unattended-upgrade
• 2405[17:17:41] <Ede|Popede> node.js? ouch.
• 2406[17:17:47] <rafalcpp> but to disable (kill, uninstall) software in the timeframe between it is known to be vulnerable and when it is fixed
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• 2408[17:19:10] <jhutchins_wk> rafalcpp: Subscrib to at least the Debian security announcement list and read it, or subscribe to a direct CVE list.
• 2409[17:19:26] <jhutchins_wk> rafalcpp: Don't try to automate it, you need to be involved.
• 2410[17:19:45] <karlpinc> Ede|Popede: Oucher than php? Maybe. But not as whack as wordpress.
• 2411[17:20:38] <Ede|Popede> karlpinc: node.js is the new php. still doesn't the onld one go away.
• 2412[17:20:54] <karlpinc> :)
• 2413[17:20:58] <rafalcpp> jhutchins_wk: the issue is that admin/user reaction time leave a window of e.g. 2 days on weekend, more on holida
• 2414[17:21:01] <Ede|Popede> i assume wordpress hacked to death
• 2415[17:21:25] <karlpinc> Ede|Popede: Kluged to within an inch of its life.
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• 2417[17:22:22] <rafalcpp> jhutchins_wk: I am totally fine with any running sessions of firefox and such being killed for me while I'm away for weekend
• 2418[17:22:22] <karlpinc> rafalcpp: But what are you going to do? Automate the shutdown of your payroll system until there's a patch available?
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• 2420[17:23:00] <gabb> hey guys
• 2421[17:23:01] <rafalcpp> karlpinc: it should be configurable. on desktop I am ok with shutting down user programs like firefox.
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• 2423[17:23:24] <gabb> how can i install gcc.tar.gz ??
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• 2425[17:23:38] <rafalcpp> actually a payroll system indeed I can see use cases where Im totally fine to have it shut down for few days untill it is fixed. better then someone exploiting money out of it
• 2426[17:23:41] <gabb> i cant use apt-get
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• 2432[17:25:58] <jelly> gabb: where did you get that "gcc.tar.gz" from, precisely? Which Debian release is this? What is your REAL goal after you get gcc installed?
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• 2437[17:27:46] <gabb> jelly from ftp. gnu. org
• 2438[17:27:50] <jhutchins_wk> Ede|Popede: We can imagine terrible problems in popuar software, but the actual truth is that thousands of sites run WordPress without significant security issues.
• 2439[17:28:05] <gabb> jelly gcc-4.3.4.tar.gz
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• 2441[17:28:22] <gabb> cause my server is very old
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• 2443[17:28:54] <gabb> i cant do update/upgrade
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• 2445[17:29:07] <jelly> gabb: do you have internet access?
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• 2447[17:29:21] <gabb> yes
• 2448[17:29:34] <jelly> gabb: good, and which debian release is this supposed to be?
• 2449[17:29:34] <gabb> is a debian 7
• 2450[17:29:39] <jelly> !debian suite
• 2451[17:29:39] <dpkg> cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions.
• 2452[17:29:55] <gabb> 7.11
• 2453[17:30:13] <jelly> gabb: you can still install packages for wheezy from archive.debian.org, with some effort
• 2454[17:30:19] <jelly> !wheezy sources.list
• 2455[17:30:20] <dpkg> Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb replaced-url
• 2456[17:30:41] <gabb> humm
• 2457[17:30:44] <gabb> very good
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• 2459[17:31:43] <gabb> but just out of curiosity
• 2460[17:31:44] <jelly> and some of them even have security support, from the ELTS effort
• 2461[17:32:02] <gabb> is possible install gcc .tar.gz?
• 2462[17:32:06] <jelly> !elts
• 2463[17:32:06] <dpkg> Limited commercial support for wheezy exists in form of Extended LTS, see replaced-url
• 2464[17:32:42] <jelly> gabb: you would have to read and follow the installation documentation from the people where you got it from.
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• 2466[17:33:48] <jelly> if it's source inside, you'd probably have to build it and then install it. If it's binaries, you'd have to... no idea, read the docs.
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• 2470[17:34:29] <jelly> the general idea of Linux distributions is avoiding to have to build things from source, and have a simple, consistent way to install things.
• 2471[17:34:31] <zodd> gabb, if your sole purpose is to install gcc, please consider using a package in favor of a tarball
• 2472[17:34:56] <gabb> hum
• 2473[17:34:58] <gabb> thankss
• 2474[17:35:02] <jelly> there is gcc 4.7.2 in Debian 7.
• 2475[17:35:13] <jelly> Why do you think you need precisely the old 4.3.4?
• 2476[17:35:16] <zodd> also it might be a good incentive to upgrade or migrate to a new debian(server)
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• 2478[17:35:59] <karlpinc> That's really Linux's "secret sauce". You get all your software from your distro, they do the systems integration, and things just work. No more installing from random places and having everybody point fingers when nothing works.
• 2479[17:36:01] <gabb> jelly It worked
• 2480[17:36:03] <gabb> :D
• 2481[17:36:04] <gabb> binutils cpp cpp-4.7 gcc gcc-4.7 libgmp10 libgomp1 libitm1 libmpc2 libmpfr4
• 2482[17:36:23] <gabb> # gcc --version
• 2483[17:36:23] <gabb> gcc (Debian 4.7.2-5) 4.7.2
• 2484[17:36:29] <gabb> thanks =D
• 2485[17:37:18] <jelly> gabb: you did not say what you plan to do with that gcc when you get it to work.
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• 2487[17:38:02] <gabb> i need compile a program
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• 2490[17:38:23] <gabb> to use in my job
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• 2493[17:40:12] <jelly> gabb: you're probably going to want to install build-essential, then
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• 2495[17:40:35] <jelly> and whatever -dev packages your program's source code needs
• 2496[17:41:03] <jelly> gabb: is it a private program or something available on the internet, and what is it called?
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• 2520[17:53:21] <gabb> jelly NetworkMananger
• 2521[17:53:21] <GuestVII> Hi, looking for the debian-based distro with the best support for nvidia drivers.
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• 2523[17:53:25] <gabb> from github
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• 2526[17:54:30] <diogenes_> GuestVII, try MX-Linux.
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• 2529[17:55:49] <GuestVII> XFCE... Better than GNOME for that?
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• 2531[17:56:42] <diogenes_> XFCE is always better.
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• 2533[17:57:13] <GuestVII> Had problems with GNOME. Was reading KDE has lot of problems with NVIDIA btw...
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• 2536[17:58:15] <diogenes_> name one man who's never had issues with gnome.
• 2537[17:59:17] <GuestVII> Very sad. I miss an opinion about KDE regarding NVIDIA.
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• 2541[18:02:32] <jhutchins_wk> gabb: NetworkManager is packaged in debian, why compile it?
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• 2565[18:15:35] <xok> hello all...
• 2566[18:16:00] <xok> I want to block all incoming connections on my debian 10 ( buster )...
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• 2568[18:16:11] <xok> I used ufw but it doesn't seem to be working...
• 2569[18:16:26] <xok> I tried setting: ufw default deny incoming
• 2570[18:16:33] <xok> but I still can access ssh for example...
• 2571[18:16:50] <xok> what should I do to block all the ports on my fresh install?..
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• 2576[18:18:16] <ratrace> xok: since you're already using ufw... make sure ufw is enabled and runnig and there's no explicitly enabled incoming ports in its config.
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• 2578[18:18:27] <ratrace> assuming you have local console access since you want to block ssh too
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• 2582[18:19:37] <xok> ratrace: thanks for the reply...
• 2583[18:19:49] <xok> yes, I double checked and the ufw is enabled...
• 2584[18:19:56] <xok> but it still allows ssh connections...
• 2585[18:20:13] <xok> I am running OS inside my virtualbox guest...
• 2586[18:20:27] <xok> and I try to access it from the ssh - it is working...
• 2587[18:20:39] <xok> I want to disable all the incoming ports though...
• 2588[18:20:41] <jhutchins_wk> xok: Are you testing from the same box?
• 2589[18:20:43] <xok> including ssh...
• 2590[18:21:00] <xok> no, I am testing from the HOST to the GUEST ...
• 2591[18:21:10] <xok> I run the GUEST inside the virtualbox...
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• 2593[18:21:48] <jhutchins_wk> xok: Weell, you could simply disable sshd, but you probably want to figure out why it's working the way it is.
• 2594[18:21:52] <jhutchins_wk> !ufw
• 2595[18:21:53] <dpkg> Uncomplicated firewall (ufw) is an <iptables> front-end with syntax similar to OpenBSD's Packet Filter (PF). replaced-url
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• 2597[18:22:39] <xok> jhutchins_wk: but I already use ufw
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• 2603[18:23:02] <xok> I do: ufw default deny incoming
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• 2605[18:23:14] <xok> and I still can access the port ( SSH currently )...
• 2606[18:23:16] <jhutchins_wk> xok: Yes, you said so. I was looking for support resources for you.
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• 2609[18:23:41] <xok> I don't want to disable SSH, I just want to disable all incoming connections...
• 2610[18:23:42] <jhutchins_wk> xok: If you're not going to use ssh you should disable it.
• 2611[18:23:50] <xok> I am going...
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• 2613[18:24:05] <xok> I just plan to check if the ufw worked properly...
• 2614[18:24:13] <xok> I will then enabled ONLY SSH connections...
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• 2616[18:24:37] <xok> but before that - I am making sure it blocked everything...
• 2617[18:24:41] <xok> including SSH...
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• 2626[18:27:59] <xok> anyone please?...
• 2627[18:28:01] <spacebug^> xok: what does 'ufw status' report?
• 2628[18:29:21] <xok> spacebug^: it reports ACTIVE...
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• 2636[18:34:16] <spacebug^> xok: Ok. I have never used ufw, but I installed it now in a VM and enabled it. Did not configure it and running 'ufw status' just reported active. I was _not_ able to ssh to the VM. Then I ran 'ufw disable' and I _was_ able to ssh to it. So your setting seems fine to me
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• 2639[18:36:57] <xok> well, I was running command on the remote machine from the local one...
• 2640[18:37:29] <xok> I tried running command from the console and then SSH-ing to it but couldn't...
• 2641[18:37:36] <xok> so, something strange was happening before...
• 2642[18:37:40] <xok> it seems to be working now...
• 2643[18:37:48] <xok> thank you very much for your help guys...
• 2644[18:38:06] <spacebug^> great
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• 2662[18:45:49] <Halian> Hi
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• 2689[19:03:56] <NetTerminalGene> does default xfce come with libreoffice?
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• 2691[19:04:56] <sponix> NetTerminalGene: a Base xfce Desktop Install for Debian 10 -- does include Libreoffice -- I'm 98% sure
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• 2693[19:05:38] <NetTerminalGene> thanks
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• 2696[19:08:17] <diogenes_> NetTerminalGene, Debian live XFCE comes with LibreOffice and all the language packages for it.
• 2697[19:09:28] <NetTerminalGene> great
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• 2700[19:10:36] <annadane> i'm pretty sure *every* tasksel comes with libreoffice
• 2701[19:10:44] <annadane> if you check any desktop environment in the installer
• 2702[19:11:05] <annadane> the xfce4 package itself doesn't but it can obviously be installed later
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• 2704[19:11:20] <annadane> (also, i install individual components... who needs all of libreoffice?)
• 2705[19:11:28] <diogenes_> NetTerminalGene, yeah, first thing i do after installing Debian it's: apt purge libreoffice-l10n* libreoffice-help* firefox-esr-l10n* *fcitx*
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• 2708[19:11:53] <diogenes_> clears up around 1GB.
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• 2710[19:12:48] <NetTerminalGene> lol
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• 2712[19:13:33] <annadane> i don't ever do anything but leave 'standard system utilities' or whatever it's called checked
• 2713[19:13:40] <annadane> and nothing else
• 2714[19:13:51] <NetTerminalGene> it takes 1 second to open a text or picture or any other program on gnome
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• 2717[19:14:45] <NetTerminalGene> i mean launch
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• 2720[19:15:18] <NetTerminalGene> do you guys experience the same thing on gnome?
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• 2722[19:15:29] <annadane> i mean, do you have a hdd or ssd?
• 2723[19:15:32] <annadane> 1 second isn't that long
• 2724[19:15:39] <NetTerminalGene> ssd
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• 2726[19:15:51] <NetTerminalGene> it's annoying
• 2727[19:16:10] <ratrace> 1 second, eh? that's terrible. worst thing ever.
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• 2729[19:17:21] <NetTerminalGene> it should launch instantly
• 2730[19:17:49] <ratrace> how long is "instantly"?
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• 2732[19:18:05] <diogenes_> especially for gnome it's a guinness record, usually it takes 5-7 seconds.
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• 2737[19:20:07] <jhutchins_wk> NetTerminalGene: There are so many factors that go into application performance that you can't just point to one thing and say it's broken.
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• 2740[19:20:42] <MrAnonymous> hi
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• 2742[19:21:10] <annadane> on xfce, pictures (using feh) open pretty much instantly on my hdd; on my external drive if stuff hasn't been opened for a while it takes about 3 seconds
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• 2744[19:21:28] <annadane> 1 second isn't that long but i wouldn't be surprised if it's just gnome being bloaty
• 2745[19:21:40] <annadane> also, 1 second isn't that long
• 2746[19:21:43] <annadane> just saying
• 2747[19:22:03] <MrAnonymous> How are you?
• 2748[19:22:40] <MrAnonymous> are you listening rap?
• 2749[19:22:42] <ratrace> libreoffice is also very bloaty
• 2750[19:22:46] <ksk> 3s sounds like external drive is going to a powered-down state in between accessing it ;)
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• 2760[19:25:42] <ratrace> lowriter takes ~1 second to start with hot pagecache, on my i3wm. that's time between me hitting enter and it going through its progress bar and showing a blank document.
• 2761[19:25:53] <ratrace> with cold pagecache it took ~4 seconds
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• 2764[19:26:27] <ratrace> (but that's relatively slow because of ZFS)
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• 2775[19:32:06] <terr__> Mathisen, what are you doing hiding out in ##windows? Lurking?
• 2776[19:32:27] <jelly> hey now, no channel-shaming
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• 2780[19:32:49] <Mathisen> terr__, /whois me and you know. and i agree with jelly
• 2781[19:33:02] <xok> anyone familiar with debsecan package?..
• 2782[19:33:13] <ratrace> !anyone
• 2783[19:33:13] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
• 2784[19:33:21] <xok> I am tasked to install this piece of software without any mail servers...
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• 2788[19:33:58] <jelly> xok: that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Maybe install "dma" and make it deliver to /var/mail/whoever?
• 2789[19:34:18] <ratrace> xok: --no-install-recommends
• 2790[19:34:20] <terr__> Mathisen, no any issue. I am just looking to do a decent partitioning of this HUGE HDD so I can booth what I need if I need to. I am looking to run Linux software. But I'm going into CAD work and I might need windows. THat is all. THat is why I bought an extra machine.
• 2791[19:34:37] <xok> jelly: the point is - the package itself (debsecan) is trying to install mailserver and I don't want that to happen...
• 2792[19:34:55] <xok> ratrace: checking that out...
• 2793[19:35:29] <terr__> Mathisen, if I am needing to run Fusion360 for instance I won't likely be able to on Linux. CNC and 3D modeling stuff.
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• 2795[19:36:41] <jhutchins_wk> terr__: Unless you know for sure exactly how much data you will write and where, it's usually best to have one partition + swap.
• 2796[19:37:41] <jhutchins_wk> terr__: There are OS CAD programs like freecad, but you might need a specific program if you're taking a class.
• 2797[19:37:46] <terr__> jhutchins_wk, yes. And I have done that for linux. But I want an NTFS partition on the same drive that I can boot if I need to. THat is why I am asking.
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• 2800[19:38:18] <jhutchins_wk> terr__: So what's your actual question?
• 2801[19:38:32] <xok> ratrace: thank you very much!...
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• 2803[19:38:43] <terr__> jhutchins_wk, I have freeCAD and I'll try to do it that way. I am long past classes. I may be hiring draftsmen and if so - they will not likely know FreeCAD
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• 2811[19:41:41] <Akuw> hi
• 2812[19:42:08] <Akuw> hi
• 2813[19:42:45] <terr__> jhutchins_wk, I set up a maint partition - 32GB. It can boot Linux just for maint and it backs up my 32GB USB thumbs... and holds Grub do - that I've got figured out. I can set up Windows in NTFS say 20 GB. Biggest so far I've used is <100GB. BUT - those machines were never used for CAD. They might be in the future. 32 Bit machines. I can then create an Extended partition for EVERYTHING else. This is for 64 bit machines. I have 2 so far. 64 Bit w7 &
• 2814[19:42:45] <terr__> w10 and add in the one I want to be my work horse and that is Debian - THat machine should be able to access EVERYTHING.
• 2815[19:43:08] <Akuw> i am seeing one page using "links -dump url" but always got "Error reading from socket" at the end of output
• 2816[19:43:24] <terr__> Typo. 250GB on partition 2
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• 2820[19:44:34] <terr__> As long as Grub can boot from anywhere I'm happy.
• 2821[19:45:37] <terr__> if I go to efi I _doubt_ the machines I have now can boot so I'll stay with MBR
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• 2829[19:47:34] <johnfg> hi guys
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• 2832[19:48:21] <johnfg> I've cleaned various parts of apt, but what I've done hasn't touched /var/backups. Is there something else I need to do to clean it out?
• 2833[19:48:57] <jelly> that directory is not part of apt, so that's okay
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• 2837[19:49:27] <johnfg> Is that something to be done in the same manner as rotating logs?
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• 2839[19:50:24] <johnfg> I guess 6.9M isn't anything to be concerned about.
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• 2845[19:53:52] <jelly> some of those files do seem to have rotation and a limited number number of copies around, but I have no idea how that's managed
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• 2871[20:05:04] <Akuw> i need to get some text from a webserver, but for some reason, sometime webserver does not repond. What other option can i use?
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• 2874[20:06:03] <Akuw> actually i am using links -dump | grep xxxx
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• 2877[20:06:46] <bogdan_> If need postgresq; 9.6 on debian 10, what can I do?
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• 2880[20:07:10] <jhutchins_wk> Akuw: It's probably either the connection or the remote server if you do the same thing and get different results.
• 2881[20:07:13] <ratrace> bogdan_: use the official pgdg repo
• 2882[20:07:38] <jhutchins_wk> Akuw: Does it just time out?
• 2883[20:08:14] <ratrace> bogdan_: replaced-url
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• 2885[20:09:16] <jhutchins_wk> terr__: I used to be a draftsman back in the ink-on-mylar days. Never really learned CAD.
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• 2894[20:14:06] <bogdan_> thank you ratrace, Im downloading now
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• 2903[20:18:47] <annadane> are there any mailing lists that say specifically what got uploaded to backports? debian-backports is just discussion, not "such and such has been added"
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• 2909[20:20:26] <jhutchins_wk> annadane: There might be a backports annouce list.
• 2910[20:20:51] <annadane> debian-backports-announce or whatever it is just for security stuff
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• 2912[20:21:21] <annadane> oh, here it is replaced-url
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• 2914[20:22:48] <Akuw> jhutchins_wk: yes its a time out
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• 2916[20:23:19] <Akuw> its a camera with web interface
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• 2956[20:47:22] <InvisibleRasta> sorry my connection is being a b£$%
• 2957[20:47:35] <InvisibleRasta> did you guys read my question?
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• 2959[20:48:08] <ratrace> what question
• 2960[20:48:21] <InvisibleRasta> hello guys, i need to figure out which virtualization software to use. i need it to be cross platform between linux-windows. i know virtualbox works but in debian buster i cant figure out how to install it
• 2961[20:48:55] <ratrace> VB was dropped for buster, it's unmaintainable.
• 2962[20:49:16] <InvisibleRasta> i wonder if the virtual machines i create with virt-manager... i will then be able to use on windows host
• 2963[20:49:18] <InvisibleRasta> aswell
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• 2966[20:49:49] <InvisibleRasta> and if so with which application... cause i know virtualbox doesnt support qcaw or raw
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• 2970[20:50:16] <Akuw> what tool is there to copy files from a disk with physical problems
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• 2972[20:50:25] <ratrace> InvisibleRasta: you can cnovert from qemu format to VDI
• 2973[20:50:58] <InvisibleRasta> and is there any virtualization software that will let me use the virtualmachines without having to convert them
• 2974[20:51:10] <ratrace> not that I know of
• 2975[20:51:21] <ratrace> *none
• 2976[20:51:36] <ratrace> InvisibleRasta: but... you can use raw partition and share it
• 2977[20:52:26] <InvisibleRasta> basically the scenario is... i dual boot windows/debian... many times i need to boot my virtualmachines on both of the two systems.. thats why im asking
• 2978[20:52:26] <nulleip> Akuw: see ddrescue to create cold image from damaged media and work on fixing fs after on it
• 2979[20:52:41] <InvisibleRasta> cause converting every time a virtual disk vould be a pain
• 2980[20:53:08] <InvisibleRasta> ratrace, what do you mean by raw partition
• 2981[20:53:12] <ratrace> InvisibleRasta: you can share a partition between VB and QEMU
• 2982[20:53:23] <ratrace> like literally a partition, as raw device for both
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• 2996[21:01:05] <dez> noob at linux, i've used the top commad to check out memory usage and i'm trying to figure out what a few commands are
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• 2998[21:01:08] <dez> 11 root rt 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.02 watchdog/0
• 2999[21:01:13] <dez> what is this?
• 3000[21:01:18] <dez> various watchdogs
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• 3002[21:02:25] <dez> using debian 9
• 3003[21:02:38] <dez> also this
• 3004[21:02:39] <dez> 6 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:04.44 kworker/u16:0
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• 3021[21:08:46] <jhutchins_wk> dez: Those are kernel processes.
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• 3026[21:09:32] <dez> jhutchins_wk: what do they do
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• 3037[21:19:38] <jhutchins_wk> dez: Kernel things. Internals of the Linux kernel are mostly beyond the scope of this channel, you could try linux, or there may be a kernel channel, and there's ##replaced-url
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• 3039[21:19:54] <dez> thank you
• 3040[21:20:00] <jhutchins_wk> dez: I'm glad to see someone going through and identifying what's running on their box.
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• 3046[21:22:12] <dez> jhutchins_wk: i want to learn a bit on the topic actually
• 3047[21:23:45] <notlags> im very new to this computer world, my windows puter died and i bought a magwith debian on a cd, now im here.. my qestion is does anyone know how to fix machine not booting pass gnome manger boot option??? i seam to press ctrl + f2 etc then back to ctrl f1 then it takes me into the boot screen
• 3048[21:24:46] <notlags> and other thing the sustem dies hen it goes into scrreen saver / sleep mode.. can this issue be fixed or do i just turn that shit off ??
• 3049[21:24:55] <InvisibleRasta> ratrace, so i would be sharing a partition where inside i have various virtual hard disks? or id need a partition for each VM?
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• 3054[21:25:41] <ratrace> InvisibleRasta: no, the partition _is_ the disk
• 3055[21:25:58] <InvisibleRasta> ratrace, ugh that would be alot of partitions... meh i need to figure out a better option
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• 3060[21:27:28] <angelus> this irc shit seams harder to use then linux itself
• 3061[21:27:53] <InvisibleRasta> ugh its a pain for me not having virtualbox or a cross platform alternative
• 3062[21:28:12] <Halian> angelus: yes, the screen saver and sleep settings can be turned off
• 3063[21:28:39] <Halian> I can't map out the exact path for you as I'm not familiar with GNOME 3, but you should be able to search for "screensaver" and "sleep" in the Settings program
• 3064[21:28:41] <angelus> Haian can it be fixed or the easiest way to switch them off ?
• 3065[21:28:50] <Halian> InvisibleRasta: why don't you have VirtualBox? o.o
• 3066[21:28:58] <angelus> im uing aomthing called xface i think
• 3067[21:29:03] <Halian> Alright
• 3068[21:29:03] <angelus> gnome was crashing
• 3069[21:29:13] <Halian> XFCE is a nice window manager, lightweight and very customizable
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• 3071[21:29:31] <angelus> yeah i found it one of the best ones what came with the dvd install
• 3072[21:29:42] <InvisibleRasta> Halian, virtualbox is not maintained anymore in debian buster
• 3073[21:29:45] <angelus> Oh and open box looked really neat too, but im a long way off from that
• 3074[21:29:49] <Halian> D: Yikes
• 3075[21:29:50] <Halian> angelus: same
• 3076[21:29:54] <Halian> I'm using Pantheon right now myself
• 3077[21:30:04] <angelus> do you have a link for thAT, OR DO I JUST GOOGLE IT
• 3078[21:30:13] <AngelKde> Halian, for me trinity desktop whit debian is most performance whit xfce
• 3079[21:30:15] <angelus> orry botu speeling and typing im so new to this
• 3080[21:30:24] <Halian> angelus: replaced-url
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• 3082[21:31:12] <Halian> Pantheon can be installed by following the instructions at this link: replaced-url
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• 3085[21:32:09] <Halian> If that feels overwhelming to you, there's also a link at the bottom of the page to a liveCD image of Debian with the Pantheon desktop environment preinstalled
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• 3089[21:33:25] <Halian> angelus:
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• 3103[21:38:37] <angelus> im sorry for being noob, but i looked in the screen saver menu in the xfce settings everything is tunred off that says anything bput putting my system to sleep
• 3104[21:39:02] <angelus> and i cant seam to turn off the screen saver
• 3105[21:41:03] <angelus> do i set the screen saveer say 2 hours exsample to make it stop crashing when i leave system alone for like a hour or so ??
• 3106[21:41:44] <angelus> this computer is making me wished i stayed at school or even listened as a youngster
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• 3109[21:42:47] <angelus> should i use debian or ferdora i think it is on the dvd i gt on a mag
• 3110[21:43:12] <angelus> the artcial on the mag said if you wanna turn from a boy into a man use debian
• 3111[21:43:25] <angelus> and to come here for help
• 3112[21:44:09] <angelus> why doesnt wndows come on magizizes and shit ??
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• 3115[21:45:02] <angelus> i think i paid 13$ AUD for this mag i find it too good to be true having complet compter systems on it
• 3116[21:45:31] <Halian> angelus: Linux is free and open-source software, while Windows is commercial software made by a giant, faceless corporation.
• 3117[21:45:51] <angelus> Oh i see that how they get rich windows ??
• 3118[21:46:09] <angelus> so who gets paid with linux
• 3119[21:46:14] <Halian> I would recommend Debian over Fedora as one's first Linux distribution, as Fedora is "bleeding edge"; that is to say, it uses newer, less- or untested versions of software.
• 3120[21:46:16] <Halian> Yes, it is.
• 3121[21:46:21] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 3131[21:49:41] <angelus> dope i think i worked out the screen saver isse in xfce power magerment
• 3132[21:49:56] <angelus> i jut tunred them all to never lol
• 3133[21:50:02] <Chunkyz> XD
• 3134[21:50:10] <angelus> is thtA A MADE CHOICE
• 3135[21:50:14] <angelus> bad *
• 3136[21:50:18] <Chunkyz> No.
• 3137[21:50:38] <angelus> good, i dont care for this laptop anywys cos it was broken to me before i found debian
• 3138[21:50:38] <Chunkyz> Gotta learn somehow
• 3139[21:50:58] <Chunkyz> Spec of it?
• 3140[21:51:05] <angelus> ??
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• 3143[21:51:13] <angelus> specks of the computer
• 3144[21:51:14] <Chunkyz> Of the laptop
• 3145[21:51:21] <Chunkyz> Yeah
• 3146[21:51:25] <angelus> can you display that information in the termianl thingy
• 3147[21:51:33] <angelus> i like the termianl
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• 3158[21:51:46] <Chunkyz> Yeah but it's very long information
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• 3166[21:52:01] <angelus> like what can you look for
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• 3169[21:52:12] <angelus> in terminal
• 3170[21:52:13] <Chunkyz> CPU, ram etc.
• 3171[21:52:18] <angelus> really
• 3172[21:52:23] <Chunkyz> Yep
• 3173[21:52:24] <angelus> hoq do i find out hoq much rM I HAVE
• 3174[21:52:28] <angelus> RAM
• 3175[21:52:40] <Chunkyz> "free -h"
• 3176[21:52:41] <greycat> "free" or "top" or a bunch of other commands
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• 3179[21:52:52] <Chunkyz> ^
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• 3183[21:53:11] <angelus> $ free -h
• 3184[21:53:12] <angelus> total used free shared buff/cache available
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• 3186[21:53:14] <angelus> Mem: 1.7Gi 1.1Gi 177Mi 87Mi 422Mi 366Mi
• 3187[21:53:16] <angelus> Swap: 1.7Gi 769Mi 1.0Gi
• 3188[21:53:18] <angelus> thats what is showed
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• 3198[21:54:03] <angelus> Oh shit i think i was booted
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• 3201[21:54:31] <Chunkyz> Ha
• 3202[21:54:34] <angelus> lol
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• 3204[21:54:43] <angelus> i pasted shit for what free -h displayed
• 3205[21:54:47] <Chunkyz> The bot kicked you
• 3206[21:54:48] <angelus> then got kicked
• 3207[21:54:52] <angelus> bot
• 3208[21:54:54] <angelus> ??
• 3209[21:54:57] <angelus> liek a robot
• 3210[21:54:59] <Chunkyz> Yeah
• 3211[21:55:01] <angelus> DOPE
• 3212[21:55:04] <Chunkyz> Sort of
• 3213[21:55:05] <monkeystance> lol
• 3214[21:55:10] <Chunkyz> You new to IRC?
• 3215[21:55:14] <angelus> who and how makes them
• 3216[21:55:20] <angelus> yes and computers
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• 3218[21:55:30] <angelus> what does a bot do
• 3219[21:55:47] <angelus> kick me
• 3220[21:55:49] <monkeystance> they usually just provide information
• 3221[21:55:58] <angelus> fuck thats dope
• 3222[21:55:59] <Chunkyz> I'm not familiar with Debian's not but it can provide information etc.
• 3223[21:56:07] <Chunkyz> Bot*
• 3224[21:56:10] <cast4d> they also kick users
• 3225[21:56:19] <angelus> can you contrlll computers with them ??
• 3226[21:56:20] <Chunkyz> ^
• 3227[21:56:38] <angelus> like could you have a BOT CONTROLLING A COMPUTER
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• 3230[21:57:01] <monkeystance> you could if you wanted to
• 3231[21:57:04] <angelus> FUCK
• 3232[21:57:07] <angelus> dead set
• 3233[21:57:08] <Chunkyz> You can run automated tasks, yeah.
• 3234[21:57:12] <angelus> SHIT
• 3235[21:57:16] <angelus> this is fuckng hectic
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• 3237[21:57:21] <monkeystance> most chat bots are really dumb though
• 3238[21:57:23] <angelus> do you download them
• 3239[21:57:47] <cast4d> several AI algorithms make possible for bots controlling computers
• 3240[21:58:00] <angelus> ai ??
• 3241[21:58:08] <Chunkyz> Artificial intelligence
• 3242[21:58:12] <angelus> Oh fuck im dumb
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• 3244[21:58:34] <monkeystance> angelus, what got you interested in linux?
• 3245[21:58:40] <angelus> thats the small things that had me buying a puter
• 3246[21:58:43] <angelus> umm
• 3247[21:58:46] <angelus> to be honest
• 3248[21:58:52] <angelus> fCEBOOK
• 3249[21:58:55] <angelus> facebook
• 3250[21:58:59] <Chunkyz> XD
• 3251[21:59:00] <angelus> for chicks and shit
• 3252[21:59:05] <Chunkyz> Facebook is bad.
• 3253[21:59:09] <angelus> i knoq
• 3254[21:59:11] <angelus> know
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• 3256[21:59:29] <angelus> my brother stole the lappy off me and broek it from doing god knows q qhat on it
• 3257[21:59:42] <angelus> indows was dead
• 3258[21:59:53] <angelus> they computer shop wanted 300+ $ to fix it
• 3259[21:59:57] <monkeystance> lol
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• 3261[22:00:03] <angelus> i aaid fuck that and slipped it under my bed
• 3262[22:00:22] <ksk> !ot
• 3263[22:00:22] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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• 3265[22:00:27] <angelus> then i was at a shop and found a computer mag with a dvd on it that had debain on it
• 3266[22:00:43] <angelus> Oh shit talking too much chit chat
• 3267[22:00:48] <angelus> !ot
• 3268[22:00:48] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 3269[22:00:51] <angelus> Oh fuck
• 3270[22:00:53] <angelus> did i do that
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• 3272[22:01:01] <angelus> !ot
• 3273[22:01:01] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 3274[22:01:05] <monkeystance> we can go to #debian-offtopic if you want
• 3275[22:01:07] <angelus> thats dope as fuck
• 3276[22:01:08] <ksk> !ops angelus
• 3277[22:01:08] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: ksk complains about a problem (see above)
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• 3279[22:01:20] <dvs> ksk, too soon
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• 3282[22:01:35] <angelus> do i /j debian-offtopic
• 3283[22:01:37] <monkeystance> angelus, /join #debian-offtopic
• 3284[22:01:50] <monkeystance> yeah
• 3285[22:01:57] <monkeystance> you can be in both at the same time
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• 3289[22:04:30] <jhutchins_wk> ,v mollyguard
• 3290[22:04:31] <judd> No package named 'mollyguard' was found in amd64.
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• 3312[22:10:50] <nkuttler> ,v molly-guard
• 3313[22:10:52] <judd> Package: molly-guard on amd64 -- jessie: 0.4.5-1.1; stretch: 0.6.4; buster: 0.7.1; bullseye: 0.7.2; sid: 0.7.2
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• 3338[22:28:01] <Peyam> do you know any strategic games for linux without steam ? something like Dota2
• 3339[22:28:26] <ratrace> didn't you ask the same question, and got answers, here few days ago?
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• 3343[22:28:41] <somiaj> dtoa2 is strategic? Do you like age of empires Peyam ?
• 3344[22:28:50] <somiaj> ,i 0ad
• 3345[22:28:51] <judd> Package 0ad (games, optional) in buster/amd64: Real-time strategy game of ancient warfare. Version: 0.0.23.1-2; Size: 5343.2k; Installed: 19837k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 3346[22:28:59] <greycat> that was one of the answers they got the other day
• 3347[22:29:14] <Peyam> I download 0ad but you have to build buildings.
• 3348[22:29:15] <greycat> I'll admit I lost most of my interest in answering when they said "freeciv looks old"
• 3349[22:29:21] <somiaj> ,i tuxracer
• 3350[22:29:36] <somiaj> not really a straegic game, but I had fun with that back in the day.
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• 3352[22:29:41] <judd> No package named 'tuxracer' was found in buster/amd64.
• 3353[22:29:47] <somiaj> ,i extremetuxracer
• 3354[22:29:48] <judd> Package extremetuxracer (games, optional) in buster/amd64: 3D racing game featuring Tux, the Linux penguin. Version: 0.7.5-1+b1; Size: 208.5k; Installed: 564k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 3355[22:30:20] <Peyam> somiaj, what are you doing. whoa are you writing to
• 3356[22:30:40] <Peyam> greycat, no definitely not freicv
• 3357[22:30:51] <greycat> because...?
• 3358[22:30:59] <Peyam> yeah. you just said it
• 3359[22:31:22] <Peyam> I played hereoes of Newerth but they dropped the linux support
• 3360[22:31:27] <jhutchins_wk> Certainly wouldn't want to play chess then, that's REALLY old.
• 3361[22:31:53] <ratrace> Peyam: what about the battle for wesnoth, did you try that one
• 3362[22:32:05] <Peyam> ratrace, free and without steam?
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• 3364[22:32:17] <ratrace> ,v wesnoth
• 3365[22:32:19] <judd> Package: wesnoth on amd64 -- jessie: 1:1.10.7-2+deb8u1; stretch: 1:1.12.6-1+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 1:1.14.5-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1:1.14.5-1; sid: 1:1.14.9-1
• 3366[22:32:27] <greycat> So that's a "no, I didn't bother trying the things you suggested earlier".
• 3367[22:33:23] <Peyam> it has to have some nice graphics too ofcourse
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• 3369[22:33:51] <Peyam> no one?
• 3370[22:33:53] <greycat> and apparently it's not allowed to involve building buildings
• 3371[22:34:05] <Peyam> yeah
• 3372[22:34:09] <ratrace> Peyam: so did you try Wesnoth?
• 3373[22:34:18] <Peyam> I wana play directly and fight some monsters strategically
• 3374[22:34:33] <Peyam> ratrace, that looked so poor on graphics
• 3375[22:34:38] <ratrace> ...
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• 3383[22:41:59] <jhutchins_wk> Peyam: Planeshift
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• 3387[22:43:25] <somiaj> the answer you are mostly going to get here Peyam is for the games that have been packgaed into debian main (these are open source and not from steam). You can search them with 'aptitude search ~sgames' -- that will give you a list of the games in debian you can install and test out.
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• 3389[22:43:47] <Peyam> somiaj, yeah. you are right
• 3390[22:44:09] <ratrace> but they all look poor!
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• 3393[22:45:00] <Peyam> yeah I found a HoN installer
• 3394[22:45:05] <Peyam> Let's see what it does
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• 3404[22:51:22] <ksk> Peyam: take a look at lutris, its a neat wine wrapper which takes care of managing wine environment for your windows games. third party and not part of debian of course.
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• 3412[22:55:27] <izmar> I'm on Debian Buster. How do I change Dolphin to double-click to open files/directories?
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• 3415[22:55:52] <izmar> I can't find it in System Settings or in Dolphin's settings.
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• 3423[23:02:44] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 3428[23:04:33] <izmar> Good find greycat, that works!
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• 3430[23:04:56] <greycat> for the record, all I did was search google for "linux dolphin double-click"
• 3431[23:05:21] <greycat> I only threw in linux because dolphin could mean so many other things
• 3432[23:05:25] <izmar> I gave up too soon.
• 3433[23:06:11] <izmar> In general, what's the deal with when you find instructions like replaced-url
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• 3435[23:06:24] <izmar> I usually prepend with sudo
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• 3437[23:07:23] <izmar> When instructions say you should apt install something, is it implied you need to prepend with sudo or am I missing something else?
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• 3439[23:07:34] <greycat> You need to be root to install packages.
• 3440[23:07:56] <greycat> sudo works, su works (mostly), su - works (but sucks), etc.
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• 3442[23:08:32] <izmar> Time to read up on the differences between those then.
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• 3461[23:28:07] <OnceMe> what all is part of php7.0-common?
• 3462[23:28:21] <OnceMe> also how to check that package to see if its installed from jessie or from dotdeb repo?
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