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12 [00:09:09] <openbsdtai123> hello, where to find the old links 1.xx tar.gz ? (links, the terminal browser for web). I need older 1.x version.
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29 [00:22:43] <crestfallen> hi I don't know anything about midi keyboards. Can I run a midi (Alesis v61) using debian / ubuntu software? know nothing about it and my web searches make me believe its quite complicated
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36 [00:28:46] <crestfallen> well I ran across Jack. I think I can run this alesis keyboard using Jack
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55 [00:42:40] <Akuw_> hi, back again
56 [00:43:07] <crestfallen> well I found software midi called yoshimi. is this all I need to play a midi controller?
57 [00:43:34] <crestfallen> just a cheap midi controller and my debian system?
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60 [00:44:13] <Jmabsd> Wait how do I boot off my SSD from the Debian USB installer's grub?
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67 [00:50:11] <dvs> In rescue mode?
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80 [00:56:47] <salkin> crestfallen: what software do you want to control with the midi device? what are you using? - as an example in SuperCollider this is pretty much working straight out of the box. you could try with Pure Data also. there is def some example online. but if you want to use midi keyboard directly via jack, i dont know really
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88 [01:03:09] <Jmabsd> dvs: i like to do normal boot of the SSD Debian installation
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90 [01:03:45] <salkin> crestfallen: check replaced-url
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92 [01:03:57] <Jmabsd> i am watching the SSD installer's "/boot" partition now from the USB installer rescue mode
93 [01:04:29] <Jmabsd> i see some commands in its /grub.conf like "set root='hd0'" and search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root [an UUID]
94 [01:05:04] <dvs> Jmabsd, there should be an option on the USB installer to restore GRUB.
95 [01:05:27] <Jmabsd> what do you mean?
96 [01:05:35] <Jmabsd> so, in the installer's grub console,
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98 [01:05:41] <Jmabsd> can't i just say "boot my SSD please"
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100 [01:06:31] <abrotman> You can just say that .. doesn't mean it will listen ..
101 [01:06:41] <dvs> heh
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103 [01:07:18] <dvs> Jmabsd, There is a rescue mode in the "Advanced Option" menu on the USB installer.
104 [01:07:48] <Jmabsd> dvs: and what about it?
105 [01:08:06] <Jmabsd> dvs: actually what i want to do is to make grub install as MBR boot
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108 [01:08:38] <dvs> Jmabsd, so you want the repair GRUB option then.
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112 [01:09:29] <Jmabsd> dvs: maybe i just reinstall Debian and this time create no efi partition
113 [01:09:49] <dvs> Jmabsd, it's your choice.
114 [01:10:08] <Jmabsd> dvs: how could I force the Debian installer to produce an MBR partition table
115 [01:11:15] <dvs> <dvs> Jmabsd, so you want the repair GRUB option then.
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118 [01:12:06] <Jmabsd> dvs: i guess not?
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123 [01:13:02] <dvs> Jmabsd, I'm giving you the answer
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125 [01:13:06] <Jmabsd> hmm
126 [01:13:10] <Jmabsd> i don't see the repair grub option hm
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129 [01:13:43] <dvs> Jmabsd, When you boot the USB installer and go to Advanced Mode in the GRUB menu?
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132 [01:15:41] <Jmabsd> oh great, i see in the advanced installer now, selecting the SSD, it asks do you want to create a new partition table, and there's the option "MSDOS". awesome!
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143 [01:26:50] <Jmabsd> dvs: on the last system install, I skipped the create partition table step,
144 [01:27:01] <dvs> oops
145 [01:27:04] <Jmabsd> i just went about creating partitions and i'm sure those were created as GPT, at least i thiiink they were
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147 [01:27:16] <Jmabsd> and i created an EFI partition on the last install - in an MBR booted system there is no such thing right
148 [01:27:31] <Jmabsd> so to keep things comprehensive, i specify MBR now and then no EFI partition
149 [01:27:33] <Jmabsd> let's see if it works :)
150 [01:27:40] <dvs> Jmabsd, Probably. It depends on what mode the installed was started in.
151 [01:27:54] <dvs> *installer
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154 [01:31:10] <Jmabsd> dvs: this time i take advanced installer. last time was just installer. booted off MBR i think but the installer's autodetection said it's an UEFi system
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156 [01:31:37] <dvs> yeah, as expected
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158 [01:32:40] <Jmabsd> ah nice, the advanced install gives me the option of backports prespecified in apt sources
159 [01:32:41] <Jmabsd> neat.
160 [01:33:23] <Jmabsd> i think the system is properly MBR-BIOS this time, great. let's see.
161 [01:33:41] <Jmabsd> dvs: do you know how grub.cfg looks different between a BIOS and an EFI booted system?
162 [01:34:28] <dvs> No, that is generated automatically.
163 [01:34:52] <oerheks> ok, last intel vuln replaced-url
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169 [01:38:18] <Miles8of9> is someone using radeon rx 5600 xt? does it run on linux? i'm looking for drivers but looks like there are no drivers
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174 [01:41:07] <wonderworld> Miles8of9: it seems to work on linux...they benchmarked some games with it: replaced-url
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177 [01:41:37] <Miles8of9> i'm reading the same page but can't find drivers!
178 [01:42:03] <Miles8of9> replaced-url
179 [01:42:13] <wonderworld> did you check replaced-url
180 [01:42:14] <Miles8of9> this is the last drivers pack they released
181 [01:43:36] <Miles8of9> is suspect those packages were released.... quite some time ago!
182 [01:43:37] <Jmabsd> dvs: Yeeey it worked, looks like!..
183 [01:43:40] <Jmabsd> now let's see if the kernel works
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185 [01:45:26] <Miles8of9> replaced-url
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187 [01:46:38] <Miles8of9> rx 5600 xt should be Navi
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198 [01:49:52] <Miles8of9> kernel 5.5 seems to have support for Navi... replaced-url
199 [01:50:08] <Miles8of9> (wait... debian runs only 4.19!)
200 [01:50:34] <Jmabsd> For the AMDGPU framebuffer console, do I need any particular package installed?
201 [01:50:54] <Jmabsd> ooh i see, my dmesg says firmware is missing, ahh.
202 [01:51:24] <dvs> !firmware
203 [01:51:24] <dpkg> Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. replaced-url
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206 [01:52:25] <dvs> heh ^
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211 [01:55:58] <Jmabsd> right indeed.
212 [01:56:06] <Jmabsd> dmesg complained that AMDGPU can't access the firmware.
213 [01:56:08] <Jmabsd> ok i should reboot.
214 [01:56:17] <Jmabsd> dvs: thanks again! :DDDD have a wonderful day! :DD
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216 [01:56:22] <dvs> np
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223 [02:02:03] <fuxxy> Is there a way to verify the current status of a kinit command?
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230 [02:11:11] <wonderworld> Miles8of9: you can install kernel 5.x from backports repository -> replaced-url
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237 [02:18:21] <Miles8of9> mmm buster backports
238 [02:18:41] <Jmabsd> what's the aptitude or apt command again to find in which package a given file is located
239 [02:18:46] <Miles8of9> should be almost empty... they rarely put things there
240 [02:18:50] <Jmabsd> e.g. "/usr/sbin/xyzconnect" is in what package
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245 [02:20:23] <Miles8of9> replaced-url
246 [02:20:28] <Miles8of9> 5.4.0
247 [02:20:57] <Miles8of9> is suspect it's too old to support that card
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249 [02:21:56] <dvs> Jmabsd, dpkg -S ?
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255 [02:23:36] <Miles8of9> wonderworld, how do i find the list of supported hw in 5.4 kernel?
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258 [02:24:17] <wonderworld> i guess you need to browse the kernel release notes @ kernel.org
259 [02:24:23] <Jmabsd> uu.. weird
260 [02:24:29] <wonderworld> there might be a better place i don't know of though
261 [02:24:33] <Jmabsd> dvs: in last Debian I used to have "/usr/bin/aplay" which plays audio
262 [02:25:07] <Miles8of9> replaced-url
263 [02:25:11] <wonderworld> current ist 5.4.15
264 [02:25:41] <wonderworld> not sure on debian, though. i got 5.4.15 today on arch
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267 [02:26:08] <wonderworld> 5.5 should release pretty soon
268 [02:26:49] <dvs> ,info alsa-utils
269 [02:26:50] <judd> Package alsa-utils (sound, optional) in buster/amd64: Utilities for configuring and using ALSA. Version: 1.1.8-2; Size: 1018.8k; Installed: 2253k; Homepage: replaced-url
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275 [02:29:03] <Miles8of9> translating an expression from my country, debian releases once after pope dies! :D
276 [02:29:39] <wonderworld> it has pros and cons
277 [02:30:01] <wonderworld> it's rock stable
278 [02:30:11] <wonderworld> it has older packagess
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280 [02:31:16] <wonderworld> maybe for a gaming pc something else would be a better choice
281 [02:31:49] <Miles8of9> probably ubuntu...
282 [02:34:19] <wonderworld> i'd say manjaro
283 [02:34:37] <spoonsarecool> This is a Debian channel, not an Arch channel.
284 [02:34:45] <Miles8of9> however... a kernel driver shouldn't be enough.... you also need X support... replaced-url
285 [02:34:47] <spoonsarecool> Debian 10 or Debian unstable.
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290 [02:39:46] <Miles8of9> sid has 5.4.13! that's not so bad
291 [02:40:03] <Miles8of9> but..... it's sid.......
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296 [02:42:59] <dvs> ,v linux-image-amd64
297 [02:43:01] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u9; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u1~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u1; buster-proposed-updates: 4.19+105+deb10u2; buster-backports: 5.4.8-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.4.13-1; sid: 5.4.13-1; experimental: 5.5~rc5-1~exp1
298 [02:46:44] <Miles8of9> Chuck Norris can run an entire server farm on experimental without any crash! :D
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300 [02:46:59] <dvs> on a Raspberry Pi
301 [02:47:17] <wonderworld> USB-powered
302 [02:47:54] <Miles8of9> ahahhah
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315 [02:57:53] <Miles8of9> apt beats pacman 10-0.. ghghghgh!!!
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374 [03:41:35] <Akuw_> i just added snapshot repo, how can i download all pool locally ?
375 [03:42:34] <dvs> !apt-mirror
376 [03:42:35] <dpkg> apt-mirror is a tool for making a local mirror of any <APT> source. To mirror multiple architectures, specify "deb-$arch ..." in /etc/apt/mirror.list; e.g. "deb-amd64 replaced-url
377 [03:43:13] <Akuw_> jelly told me about to use apt-get -d
378 [03:43:43] <dvs> Then why are you asking again?
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382 [03:45:23] <Akuw_> dvs: sorry, i was in another computer and dont have acces to response
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403 [04:00:29] <Jmabsd> On a fresh Debian: # update-grub
404 [04:00:30] <Jmabsd> bash: update-grub: command not found
405 [04:00:35] <Jmabsd> # /usr/sbin/update-grub
406 [04:00:36] <Jmabsd> How fix?
407 [04:00:42] <Jmabsd> leads to: /usr/sbin/update-grub: 3: exec: grub-mkconfig: not found
408 [04:00:53] <ksk> !buster su
409 [04:00:54] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
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411 [04:02:38] <Jmabsd> i am root already
412 [04:02:40] <Jmabsd> ksk: i'm root.
413 [04:02:50] <ksk> and how did you become root?
414 [04:02:54] <Jmabsd> I do have "/usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig"
415 [04:02:56] <Jmabsd> ksk: via su
416 [04:02:59] <Jmabsd> ahaaaaaaaa
417 [04:02:59] <Jmabsd> yes
418 [04:03:00] <Jmabsd> sorry
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420 [04:03:05] <ksk> thanks.
421 [04:03:44] <fuxxy> Another user who thinks the 'enter' key is punctuation!
422 [04:03:56] <dvs> what
423 [04:03:57] <dvs> did
424 [04:03:58] <dvs> you
425 [04:03:59] <dvs> say?
426 [04:04:16] <fuxxy> Careful, you'll piss debhelper off as well!
427 [04:05:52] <dvs> I'll risk it!
428 [04:05:57] <JackFrost> That, or Sigyn is also here.
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434 [04:06:39] <Jmabsd> Should ifup immediately respond to /etc/network/interfaces changes?
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547 [05:22:27] <mokouisgud> How to fix your Debian install: replaced-url
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549 [05:23:36] <mokouisgud> Optus sucks, well_laid_lawn
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567 [05:35:28] <mokouisgud> Oy vey.
568 [05:35:32] <mokouisgud> replaced-url
569 [05:35:41] <mokouisgud> Goyim never forget six million goyim
570 [05:35:49] <mokouisgud> shekels 4 life goim
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582 [05:39:32] <DarwinElf> i'm trying to recall what a great command-line tool is probably on Debian (maybe Ubuntu but it's not really oriented to that)... it was some utility/sysadmin tool that finds all kinds of problems on the filesystem you can fix (probably without fsck) like broken symlinks, maybe corrupt files, maybe files with strange characters you don't want, etc... and more... what would it be calld?
583 [05:39:34] <DarwinElf> 'called'
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588 [05:41:56] <annadane> DarwinElf, rmlint?
589 [05:42:20] <DarwinElf> that looks like it; thanks! :D
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610 [06:04:49] <DarwinElf> alright; I'm trying rmlint but it seems to be reporting symlinks as copies to be deleted?
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667 [06:50:28] <RedMercury> how would I go about diagnosing crazy network latency and really low local bandwidth for a freshly installed buster?
668 [06:50:51] <raildex> By getting a brain check.
669 [06:50:54] <RedMercury> I've just reinstalled it on a core i7 nuc and my local ping is bouncing between 0.8ms and 800ms
670 [06:51:05] <RedMercury> thanks for the snark
671 [06:51:06] <raildex> Just probe your brain with a Chinese multimeter
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673 [06:51:18] <raildex> Make sure it's outputting 240V AC.
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678 [06:56:07] <diogenes_> RedMercury, try a different dns.
679 [06:57:12] <diogenes_> Hello guys, is it possible to capture both built-in audio analog and monitor for built-in audio analog, i'm trying to record my mic and also the background music with audacity and in pavucontrol, if it's built-in audio analog then it captures my mic and if i switch to monitor for built-in audio analog, it captures my background music and not the mic, but how to capture both?
680 [06:57:17] <RedMercury> this is host to host on my lan
681 [06:57:27] <RedMercury> it has nothing to do with dns
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684 [07:01:43] <jm_> diogenes_: have you tried using arecord -D with both at the same time?
685 [07:02:27] <diogenes_> jm_, nope, i'll look into that thanks.
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693 [07:08:05] <crn> RedMercury, have you checked the hardware connections, card seating and so on?
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695 [07:08:13] <monkeystance> hey I've got a question for you guys
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697 [07:08:35] <monkeystance> maybe I'll send it to #debian-offtopic actually
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702 [07:10:24] <diogenes_> jm_, ok problem solved, all it needs is pactl load-module module-loopback.
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711 [07:17:25] <RedMercury> crn: its onboard lan, tried a few different cables and a few different switches
712 [07:17:34] <RedMercury> the strange thing is that it comes and goes in waves
713 [07:17:47] <RedMercury> pretty sure i don't have a packet storm, but it feels like it
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727 [07:23:43] <zerocool> anyone here use more than one network with irssi?
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729 [07:24:12] <jm_> don't use irssi, but I used several networks when I tried it back then
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732 [07:27:34] <zerocool> im confused at how you switch between networks... like when just doing `/nick` how can i target the netwoek
733 [07:28:11] <cjsarette> try 2 windows?
734 [07:28:29] <zerocool> i have like 90 windows, only the first one is status
735 [07:28:30] <jm_> I had each network in its own window, otherwise ctrl-x
736 [07:28:37] <zerocool> ohhh...
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738 [07:28:58] <zerocool> thank you jm_ that was it
739 [07:29:05] <zerocool> ctrl+x
740 [07:29:49] <jm_> otherwise it appears some commands also support -tag option
741 [07:29:59] <jm_> no problem
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797 [08:15:59] <dob1> other than permissions, what are the options to give an user access to other users home dir/files etc?
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800 [08:16:30] <rudi_s> dob1: ACLs
801 [08:16:40] <rudi_s> Which are also kind of permissions, but not the regular UNIX permissions.
802 [08:17:20] <dob1> rudi_s, I was thinking something like su
803 [08:17:38] <rudi_s> That works too of course, any setuid program can give additional privileges.
804 [08:17:39] <dob1> running a command as the other user but without requiring the password
805 [08:17:59] <rudi_s> As can services like sss (access to LDAP) or web-services, dbus, etc.
806 [08:18:33] <dob1> I will take a look
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808 [08:19:16] <rudi_s> Ah, next to setuid there are capabilities as well: man capabilities
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995 [10:53:22] <quarterback> It seems that there is a defect in debian. The screen blanks during display of boot /kernel messages while starting debian OS .The screen blanks for a second , clears itself and resumes display of boot messages. Can you fix this?
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997 [10:54:09] <quarterback> The resolution/font of boot messages is not the same during boot. It should be constant
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999 [10:54:19] <Haohmaru> maybe it's when it switches screen resolution?
1000 [10:54:46] <Haohmaru> is that a defect really?
1001 [10:54:56] <Haohmaru> does it catch fire?
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1003 [10:55:45] <quarterback> Yes, when it switches resolution. I think debian should not switch resolution, rather it should display boot messsages with same resolution. This is a problem with all debian based OS'ses like ubuntu and others.
1004 [10:56:12] <Haohmaru> i don't see this as a problem
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1009 [10:57:24] <eypo> quarterback, if it annoys you so much, you can uncomment GRUB_TERMINAL=console in /etc/default/grub, then run update-grub
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1012 [10:58:11] <quarterback> eypo, Yes, it annoys me. Is it possible to display all boot messages in gfx /graphical mode from the beginning to end?
1013 [10:58:25] <eypo> yes
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1015 [10:58:43] <quarterback> eypo, Since we have newer processors, I think the bootloader/kernel can handle graphical display of messages.
1016 [10:58:45] <eypo> then my solution is not whay you need
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1018 [10:59:17] <quarterback> eypo, I prefer graphical fonts for boot messages and the screen should not blank. The display of messages shoule be continuous.
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1023 [10:59:56] <Haohmaru> barterquack pls
1024 [11:00:11] <Haohmaru> you know you can view them messages later?
1025 [11:00:18] <eypo> quarterback, check out replaced-url
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1028 [11:01:19] <quarterback> eypo, Thanks
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1030 [11:02:04] <interrobangd> hello, maybe i have a problem with "apt-mark" (setting packages on hold) - sometimes this list will be deleted and i dont no why
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1037 [11:05:12] <eypo> interrobangd, the list is held by /var/lib/apt/extended_states as stated in man page. Maybe the file get corrupted or deleted?
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1040 [11:06:54] <interrobangd> eypo, grep -i grub /var/lib/apt/extended_states -> nothing
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1043 [11:07:31] <interrobangd> apt-mark showhold -> list of all packages contain "grub"
1044 [11:07:55] <interrobangd> (bcause i have set apt-mark hold "grub*" recently)
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1046 [11:08:31] <interrobangd> but this list will gone anytime :-/
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1048 [11:08:58] <interrobangd> *sometime
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1057 [11:13:07] <eypo> interrobangd, sorry, I was wrong. hold status is stored in /var/lib/dpkg/status
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1062 [11:15:13] <interrobangd> ok
1063 [11:15:27] <interrobangd> in example: Package: grub-common -> Status: hold ok not-installed
1064 [11:15:27] <eypo> search for 'Package: grub-common' in that file. Next line should be 'Status: hold ok installed'
1065 [11:15:51] <eypo> so it's in hold state
1066 [11:16:03] <interrobangd> yes, currenly
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1068 [11:16:14] <eypo> if you unhold it, that line will change to 'ok not-installed'
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1073 [11:17:31] <interrobangd> yes, but how to figure out which process unhold this packages? (fyi: i am using ubuntu, grub2 is default but i want to use refind)
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1077 [11:19:02] <eypo> interrobangd, dselect, aptitude, synaptic, gdebi... any package manager you might use
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1079 [11:20:49] <eypo> or you just forced install of refind and it conflicts with grub... just wondering
1080 [11:20:53] <interrobangd> it is anoying
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1091 [11:25:53] <tomreyn> interrobangd: which debian version are you using?
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1093 [11:26:33] <interrobangd> tomreyn, Ubuntu 19.10
1094 [11:26:47] <tomreyn> oh *that* debian
1095 [11:26:52] <interrobangd> yes :-/
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1097 [11:28:13] <colo-work> lol
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1128 [11:52:46] <Akuw_> i just added snapshot repo, how can i download all pool locally ? using apt-get -d
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1130 [11:53:08] <dob1> I am not able to find a solution to the question above: I have to read files / directories of another user most of them are 700, how can I do this?
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1134 [11:54:49] <dob1> I tried to add the user to the other user group but 700 it's the problem
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1136 [11:55:53] <dob1> acl...
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1146 [12:01:44] <jim> hi, could someone go over how apt-offline is supposed to work?
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1149 [12:04:13] <glick> hey does anyone here use the fish shell
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1152 [12:04:25] <jm_> jim: man page not good enough? I mean the
1153 [12:04:30] <jm_> Sequence #: part
1154 [12:05:15] <jim> well I have an uncompiled man page, I'm looking at the git repo
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1156 [12:05:35] <jm_> replaced-url
1157 [12:06:17] <jim> probably better to see a compiled man page, as your link is
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1159 [12:09:53] <jim> ok, I found the sequence things in the man page... one thing, on the debian machine that may be disconnected from the net, how would one install it?
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1161 [12:10:07] <jim> I'm reading the examples too
1162 [12:10:24] <jm_> from an USB drive or somesuch
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1166 [12:10:54] <jim> what do you get to install it? a .deb?
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1171 [12:12:38] <jm_> well yes since it's a debian system? I just noticed it's not in buster
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1174 [12:13:38] <jim> !why is apt-offline not in buster?
1175 [12:13:39] <dpkg> I think you lost me on that one, jim
1176 [12:14:00] <jelly> ,v apt-offline
1177 [12:14:01] <judd> Package: apt-offline on amd64 -- jessie: 1.5.1; stretch: 1.7.2; sid: 1.8.1
1178 [12:14:14] <jelly> usually means "it's buggy as all hell"
1179 [12:14:24] <jelly> dpkg, why is apt-offline not in testing
1180 [12:14:25] <dpkg> apt-offline is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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1182 [12:14:49] <jm_> probably Bug #871656: apt-offline: Does not validate Packages or .deb files in bundle
1183 [12:14:51] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1187 [12:15:45] <tomreyn> [x] qualifies as "buggy as hell"
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1189 [12:16:31] <glick> no one a fish user i guess
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1194 [12:19:21] <jim> ok, so it's been a little under 3 years (940 days)
1195 [12:19:44] <jim> seems like someone gave up on it
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1210 [12:26:17] <jim> jm_, jelly, thanks a lot for looking into this
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1212 [12:27:08] <jm_> no problem
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1222 [12:34:56] <jelly> jim: I'd try the version from sid, a backport build if needed
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1232 [12:40:15] <nt80> how can I disable "dm-tool switch-to-greeter" command invocation on LID closure of my laptop? I've disabled a bugged light-locker by emptying its binaries, but the switch-to-greeter is still present on some screen locking levels and it also gives a lot of problems
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1234 [12:40:59] <jelly> emptying its binaries? :-)
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1236 [12:41:47] <nt80> yes, basically echo '#!/bin/bash' > /usr/bin/light-locker :) because we can't remove it via apt, because it also removes task-xfce-desktop which brings a lot of problems after
1237 [12:42:10] <jelly> nt80: what's your actual goal? Describe you want to happen, or want to keep from happening, instead of asking for a subset of how you're doing that
1238 [12:42:35] <jelly> !ask
1239 [12:42:35] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1240 [12:42:40] <nt80> the goal is to invoke xscreensaver-command -lock everywhere it's possible once the screen needs to be locked
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1243 [12:44:55] <nt80> jelly, however you don't need to teach me how to ask because it's quite a known and annoying problem in Debian 10 and also previous versions, so some people know what i am talking about for sure, there are a lot of bug reports regarding this
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1248 [12:47:12] <jelly> nt80: well, if I'm going to try to help, I like to know what the problem _is_ otherwise it keeps being known to you but not me
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1251 [12:48:58] <jelly> nt80: use dpkg-divert to override files that belong to packages, including executables like /usr/bin/light-locker or /usr/bin/dm-tool
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1253 [12:50:00] <jelly> so you can write a wrapper for each, if that's your approach, and a dpkg diversion will make sure your wrapper or replacement is not overwritten on package upgrades
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1255 [12:50:20] <nt80> this problem is not easy to describe, for example this post describes it replaced-url
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1260 [12:51:10] <nt80> but the problem is this is not only happens 'after screen goes blank'
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1262 [12:52:08] <nt80> there are a lot of ways to reproduce it, and every way ends up in a single command - `dm-tool switch-to-greeter`
1263 [12:52:38] <jelly> nt80: I noticed something similar only on one of my two monitors at work, after unlocking it remains black and Ctrl-Alt-F1, Ctrl-Alt-F7 is a workaround
1264 [12:52:58] <jelly> not switched off, working and black
1265 [12:53:11] <jelly> and not every time
1266 [12:53:29] <nt80> yes, in my case it only happens after i close lid of my laptop
1267 [12:53:44] <nt80> if it locks with xscreensaver or manually, everything is ok
1268 [12:54:05] <jm_> there seem to be a few things referencing that command, xscreensaver and xfce4-panel
1269 [12:54:07] <nt80> and i found out the problem is that command: dm-tool switch-to-greeter
1270 [12:54:17] <jelly> nt80: so you could test that by replacing dm-tool with a wrapper that ignores switch-to-greeter, and passes any other command to the real thing
1271 [12:54:18] <nt80> i invoke it manually and the problem is fully reproducible
1272 [12:54:26] <jm_> ahh and some cinnamon applet
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1274 [12:56:30] <nt80> jelly, i would prefer finding out what is invoking it and trying to disable it, writing a wrapper for a dm-tool looks like starting a FOSS project
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1276 [12:57:45] <jm_> you can do that via a wrapper too
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1280 [12:59:30] <jm_> mv dm-tool dm-tool.bin, dm-tool is a simple shell script, doing something like echo "- $$ ---------------" >> /var/tmp/foo; date >> /var/tmp/foo; dm-tool.bin "$@"
1281 [12:59:34] <jelly> nt80: it's not a project, it's a simple shell script. replaced-url
1282 [12:59:39] <jm_> heh
1283 [12:59:56] <jelly> and instead of mv, use dpkg-divert
1284 [13:00:09] <nt80> ah, sorry, i was wrong.
1285 [13:00:14] <jm_> and I forgot ps to show parrent pid, or use pstree instead
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1289 [13:02:41] <jelly> (you can use mv while testing, and steal a dpkg-divert invocation from somewhere in grep dpkg-divert /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postinst
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1295 [13:06:13] <nt80> thank you jelly , your wrapper fixed my problem as expected :) i am in hurry so didn't think well
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1297 [13:07:28] * Butt3rfly shares a greek advisement with nt80 "I am in a hurry, so I am going slowly"
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1304 [13:08:45] <nt80> it's not just a hurry, it's annoyance, because it's still unfixed since debian 8 and we still need to patch it manually
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1306 [13:09:33] <Butt3rfly> the moral of the story is, take time to think through your path, and you will get to your destination a lot faster <3
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1308 [13:10:20] <nt80> however in debian 9 the fix was simply installing xscreensaver and i was surprised things went worse in 10
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1318 [13:15:13] <nt80> there is also a problem that resuming after a lock & entering the password it doesn't restore the session but drops to login screen again
1319 [13:15:22] <nt80> that loops 3 times until it lets me in
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1329 [13:20:02] <nt80> omg wrapping the dm-tool didn't solve it, i was also wrong about it... it looked like it was solved on the first try, but i've tried it again and there is still that 'This session is locked' screen that only gets fixed by changing to tty and unlocking via loginctl
1330 [13:21:06] <nt80> gonna download bullseye now and install on another laptop to check whether it's fixed there, otherwise i will need to dive into researching the problem deeply
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1339 [13:23:52] <StyXman> can I use labels to tell the kernel the root partition?
1340 [13:25:26] <towo^work> what's wrong with UUID?
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1343 [13:26:56] <jm_> StyXman: not sure, kernel-parameters.txt says to look in init/do_mounts.c name_to_dev_t, which doesn't mention it
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1345 [13:28:26] <StyXman> towo^work: I prefer human readable
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1360 [13:31:04] <Ede|Popede> does something like a pipermail client exist?
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1368 [13:36:17] <Ede|Popede> oh wow. pipermail was declared obsolete 9 years ago and it is still used Oo
1369 [13:36:40] <jelly> Ede|Popede: it's an integral component of Mailman 2.1 which is still supported
1370 [13:37:23] <Ede|Popede> yeah, see it now. so it's mailman folks who is responsible for that UI horror
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1372 [13:37:29] <jelly> and the funny people of Mailman did not have a migration plan from 2.1 to 3.x for a couple years after that
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1374 [13:37:54] <jelly> so "obsolete" is more a wishful thinking on their part
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1377 [13:38:37] <jelly> Ede|Popede: eh, its UI has not changed since it was conceived during early web years
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1380 [13:38:59] <jelly> there are better web frontends for mail archives now.
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1383 [13:39:36] <Ede|Popede> i still don't see any productive lists using 3.x. read about it years ago, hoped for things to finally become usable, but nope. like roundcube and the new youtube and google groups it is just a bloated JS monster.
1384 [13:39:39] <jelly> Ede|Popede: what do you mean by a "client"?
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1386 [13:39:55] <Ede|Popede> my current issue (i had so many times before)
1387 [13:40:07] <Ede|Popede> replaced-url
1388 [13:40:13] <Ede|Popede> now i want to read the original message
1389 [13:40:15] <cybbandit> hey
1390 [13:40:16] * jelly does mutt -Rf /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/foo.mbox/foo.mbox
1391 [13:40:19] <Ede|Popede> hs finding it....
1392 [13:40:37] <Ede|Popede> s/hs/hf/
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1395 [13:40:53] <Ede|Popede> so i have to download all their tarballs?
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1398 [13:41:55] <jelly> Ede|Popede: there's no way to get the original message. Those monthly downloadable .txt.gz are a) not tarballs b) heavily preprocessed
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1405 [13:43:11] <Ede|Popede> i found it. manually. had to get to the overview first (guess what, no link to it, had to remove parts of the url step by step), find the month, wait until it has loaded and then do a fulltext search for the name of the poster
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1407 [13:43:45] <Ede|Popede> that's the analogy of using tarballs in distros without any metafiles
1408 [13:43:56] * jm_ remembers doing the same thing in the past
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1410 [13:44:43] <Ede|Popede> there *are* threads, but everything works only for that month
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1415 [13:45:20] <Ede|Popede> google groups suck, mailman sucks, phpbb&co suck.
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1417 [13:46:08] <Ede|Popede> seems nobody was able to come up with a usable copy of the usenet for the web in decades....
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1419 [13:46:45] <Ede|Popede> ah, so just compressed mbox
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1430 [13:52:54] <jelly> Ede|Popede: gmane.org! :-)
1431 [13:52:55] * jelly hdies
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1433 [13:53:24] <ratrace> don't hdie, jelly!
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1435 [13:53:44] <Ede|Popede> is their httpd dead?
1436 [13:54:02] <Ede|Popede> Cloudflare Ray ID: 55c31bc9be272baa
1437 [13:54:07] <Ede|Popede> HAIL CLOUDFARE!
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1442 [13:56:38] <cybbandit> wtf
1443 [13:56:41] <oiaohm> replaced-url
1444 [13:57:19] <cybbandit> yeah
1445 [13:57:41] <oiaohm> cloudflare is also massive data collection.
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1448 [13:58:09] <cybbandit> you cansay that again
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1454 [14:00:18] <nyov> and google adsense is not? :P
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1458 [14:01:20] <jim> jelly, oh, the 1.8.something?
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1461 [14:03:13] <jim> jelly, mainly, I'm trying to help folks, and saw apt-offline as a way to go in some situations
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1476 [14:09:13] <sarthe> <sarthe> #join #debian
1477 [14:09:13] <sarthe> <sarthe> so, i think i have gotten ridden of that fuckawful gdm thing, but now xdm shows this stupid logo, like its literally mocking me to crack it...
1478 [14:09:14] <sarthe> <sarthe> how the fuck do I get rid of the stupid looking debian logo on the xdm login screen?
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1484 [14:10:55] <sarthe> <sarthe> fucking brilliant, wrong channel, wrong timezone.
1485 [14:11:06] <sarthe> same here as well. obviously
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1495 [14:15:55] <uso> is there any setting in buster to prevent a laptop going to suspend when an external monitor is connected and the lid is closed? this worked out of the box with stretch, but not anymore with buster
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1500 [14:21:46] <diogenes_> uso, in XFCE there is such a thing as 'presentation mode' which inhibits every kind of sleep, suspend and so on, you might also want to look into Caffeine application which does the same job.
1501 [14:21:53] <dob1> I have -rwxrwxr-x+ file, I don't remember how to see what the + is
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1503 [14:25:30] <colo-work> getfacl
1504 [14:25:33] <colo-work> @ dob1
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1507 [14:28:40] <dob1> colo-work, I used setfactl -bn file and it seems fixed
1508 [14:30:07] <StyXman> I have a couple of files that root can't delete:
1509 [14:30:12] <StyXman> $ sudo rm -v /var/snap/lxd/common/lxd/storage-pools/local/containers/demo3-node1/rootfs/var/log/hsh/hsh.log
1510 [14:30:12] <StyXman> rm: cannot remove '/var/snap/lxd/common/lxd/storage-pools/local/containers/demo3-node1/rootfs/var/log/hsh/hsh.log': Operation not permitted
1511 [14:31:05] <StyXman> as you might guess, those are files part of the rootfs of an lxd container. the containers are stopped, and the files does not have any attrs (getfatts returns empty)
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1513 [14:31:15] <StyXman> I have no idea how to nuke those files
1514 [14:31:27] <StyXman> also: 'this was working last week'
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1516 [14:33:19] <wwilliam> chattr?
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1518 [14:34:29] <wwilliam> !work
1519 [14:34:29] <dpkg> work is, like, a great place to play network games like Quake against your friends..... an improper way of saying funzionirt! Work at what? Do the dishes? Clean your room? , or see <play> =-)
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1522 [14:34:59] <StyXman> yeah, that 's why the quotes, I know it's a useless comment, sorry
1523 [14:35:23] <StyXman> wwilliam: what should I test/do with chattr? as I said, the files have no attrs on them
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1528 [14:37:36] <wwilliam> To tell you the truth i am telling you this, because that was my problem the other day and doing: sudo chattr -R -i dir1
1529 [14:37:40] <wwilliam> fixed my issue.
1530 [14:37:50] <StyXman> ah, lsattr
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1533 [14:38:13] <tbguest> Hello,
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1536 [14:38:59] <uso> diogenes_: I do not want to disable suspend permanently, I just want to make the X server recognize that there is still an active display when an external monitor is connected. So without an external monitor connected the system should suspend when the lid is closed, but when a monitor is connected then it should not suspend. Just as the behavior was with stretch. Some setting in buster must have changed and
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1538 [14:39:05] <uso> I want to revert that setting.
1539 [14:39:11] <StyXman> wwilliam: only ae re set, I'll blindly try yours
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1543 [14:40:59] <StyXman> uso: kde is supposed to be able to do that, but I haven't tried :)
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1545 [14:41:53] <schangg> Hi
1546 [14:42:06] <tbguest> I've something strange with DNS servers. The /etc/resolv.conf file seems to be managed by NetworkManager and points to 127.0.0.53 (looks good so far). When I list the DNS server of the current connection with `nmcli device connection wlp3s0 | grep DNS` it shows me IP that contains DNS server that works, i.e. when I do `dig google.com @IPNMCLI`, I
1547 [14:42:07] <tbguest> have a valid output (good so far). BUT, when I try to run `dig google.com @127.0.0.53`, ia request is sent, but the answer has an error SERVFAIL : replaced-url
1548 [14:42:19] <schangg> I was wondering if running apt-get upgrade will install security upgrades only ?
1549 [14:42:34] <tbguest> Does anyone understands why NetworkManager's own server is failing?
1550 [14:42:34] <schangg> (i.e., unlkess there is an upgrade)
1551 [14:43:13] <schangg> in other words, if I want to make sure that my sustem is up to date in terms of security updates, is it enough to just run apt-get upgrade once in a while ?
1552 [14:43:45] <ksk> schangg: its "apt update && apt upgrade" - but yes.
1553 [14:44:12] <ksk> (apt ist the "new" end user tool for working with packages)
1554 [14:44:42] <schangg> ksk thanks.
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1556 [14:44:55] <schangg> ksk is this documented somewhere ?
1557 [14:45:38] <schangg> just asking because it is a question from an auditor :)
1558 [14:46:01] <jelly> schangg: if you use apt-get, sometimes you need "apt-get dist-upgrade" to patch up, not a mere "upgrade". It's documented somewhere.
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1560 [14:49:08] <schangg> thanks
1561 [14:49:09] <schangg> bye
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1569 [14:53:09] <nyov> why the heck did the suricata package get an epoch :x
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1573 [14:55:22] <jelly> ,v suricata
1574 [14:55:23] <judd> Package: suricata on amd64 -- jessie: 2.0.7-2+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.0.7-2+deb8u4; stretch: 3.2.1-1+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 1:4.1.2-2~bpo9+1; buster: 1:4.1.2-2; bullseye: 1:4.1.5-2+b2; sid: 1:4.1.5-2+b2; experimental: 1:5.0.1-1~exp1
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1576 [14:55:51] <jelly> is changelog.Debian.gz not your friend, nyov?
1577 [14:56:24] <nyov> nope :P
1578 [14:56:31] <tbguest> sorry' i've been disconnected for a dew minutes if someone answered me
1579 [14:56:31] <nyov> oki, I'll go find it
1580 [14:56:35] <joepublic> it's everyone else's friend.
1581 [14:56:51] <nyov> tbguest: try #ubuntu :]
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1583 [14:57:28] <tbguest> #ubuntu
1584 [14:57:55] <joepublic> dpkg: ubuntu is not debian
1585 [14:57:55] <dpkg> is not debian: Please take your Ubuntu question to #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net as they are able to help you much better with Ubuntu questions than #debian. Ubuntu can be quite different from Debian, #debian is not just a version of #ubuntu for advanced Ubuntu users.
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1588 [14:59:15] <nyov> jelly: changelog doesn't really say. I guess someone messed up with version numbering -- what other reason could there be?
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1599 [15:03:37] <alpha_one_x86> Hi, my I don't have phpmyadmin and php-mcrypt into debian buster?
1600 [15:03:55] <jelly> nyov: I guess you could hunt in tracker.d.o or package.qa if you were really interested
1601 [15:04:06] <jelly> see if there was a wonky upload or wotnot
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1603 [15:05:43] <jelly> ,v phpmyadmin
1604 [15:05:44] <judd> Package: phpmyadmin on amd64 -- jessie: 4:4.2.12-2+deb8u2; jessie-security: 4:4.2.12-2+deb8u8; stretch: 4:4.6.6-4; bullseye: 4:4.9.2+dfsg1-1; sid: 4:4.9.2+dfsg1-1
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1607 [15:07:07] <nyov> now that's ugly ^
1608 [15:07:21] <nyov> urgh. 4 epochs
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1612 [15:08:59] <jelly> one suspects phpmyadmin is 2 buggy 4 debian to keep up with it
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1614 [15:09:19] <jelly> not too buggy for Debian-LTS team, however
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1626 [15:13:48] <jsync> msg ChatServ TOPIC #irc-help Helping others helps you hone your skills. No "troll-callers". Friendly help.
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1653 [15:24:25] <jelly> jsync: subtle!
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1660 [15:25:30] <jsync> Is there a good chat bot program in linux that can be configured to take notes & mimic help replies?
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1664 [15:26:41] <jsync> (Tired of the Attitudes. I'll quietly wait & make a friendly helper if necessary.)
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1738 [16:07:07] <ghormoon> hi, does apt somehow hold cache of packages that were just upgraded or i need to get them somewhere form archives as they're not in actual repo anymore?
1739 [16:07:27] <igghibu> hi all, how can I totally reset firewalld ? I tried adding a port and it won't work anymore. I tried uninstalling/flushing iptables and reinstalling. no luck.
1740 [16:08:20] <StyXman> ghormoon: depends on config but by default apt does not remove the .debs after installing them
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1742 [16:08:34] <StyXman> maybe with the exception of install time
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1745 [16:09:18] <StyXman> so when you update a package, and you installed/updated it previously, and you didn't clean the cache, the old version should be in /var/cache/apt
1746 [16:09:45] <StyXman> for getting older versions you can always go to snapshot.debian.org
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1750 [16:10:11] <StyXman> igghibu: I think the config file are in /etc/firealld
1751 [16:10:20] <ratrace> ghormoon: actually apt doesn't by default (apt-get does). you need to configure it to.
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1753 [16:10:37] <igghibu> @StyXman the directory is there, but no rules/servieces/etc in there
1754 [16:10:52] <ratrace> ghormoon: replaced-url
1755 [16:12:05] <ghormoon> found them, seems dpkg -i worked. let's ee if my thunderbird profile got broken by the newer version or not :D
1756 [16:12:14] <metbsd> is it safe to shoot 5.56 in 223 chamber?
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1766 [16:16:40] <StyXman> from earlier:
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1768 [16:16:48] <igghibu> @StyXman this is what I get: replaced-url
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1776 [16:18:23] <StyXman> mdione@nimbus:~/src/works/cloudian/code/cloudian-ansible-baremetal$ sudo rm -v /var/snap/lxd/common/lxd/storage-pools/local/containers/demo3-node1/rootfs/var/log/hsh/hsh.log
1777 [16:18:23] <StyXman> rm: cannot remove '/var/snap/lxd/common/lxd/storage-pools/local/containers/demo3-node1/rootfs/var/log/hsh/hsh.log': Operation not permitted
1778 [16:18:23] <StyXman> the file doesn't seem to have any attrs (lsattr, getfattr), fuser reports no process holding it, and ls -Z reports ? as the sec context. any Ideas what could going on?
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1785 [16:19:14] <StyXman> igghibu: maybe now you have iptables from nftables and not the legacy and maybe firewalld does not like that
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1790 [16:19:55] <StyXman> ask in #firewalld if it exists
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1794 [16:19:57] <gZen0n> Hi, in Debian fail2ban default configuration, is it correct to add the line "port=*sshport*" in /etc/fail2ban/jail.d/defaults-debian.conf in [sshd] section ?
1795 [16:20:09] <StyXman> I definitely prefer shorewall
1796 [16:20:25] <igghibu> @StyXman iptables is set as default w/ : /usr/sbin/iptables-nft 20 auto mode
1797 [16:20:29] <igghibu> ok
1798 [16:21:05] <igghibu> I'm using firewalld only because the wiki suggested it for nftables
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1809 [16:25:05] <StyXman> then it's probably not that
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1813 [16:27:08] <ghormoon> ok, seems to work, thanks
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1817 [16:29:23] <HolocaustDenier> hello everyone
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1819 [16:29:56] <HolocaustDenier> The Holocaust did not happen
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1828 [16:30:49] <gZen0n> no auto ban based on nickname ?
1829 [16:30:55] <j2mb0> What kind of trolls come in like that and shitmsg the channel?
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1831 [16:31:13] <j2mb0> gZen0n: why would you do that?
1832 [16:31:42] <wwilliam> Idiots.
1833 [16:31:44] <jelly> they're banned. If you want to discuss idiots, do it in #debian-offtopic and keep this channel for tech support.
1834 [16:31:48] <Xalys> anyone know why nullmailer package stopped shipping /usr/sbin/sendmail with buster?
1835 [16:32:16] <gZen0n> anyone for my question about fail2ban ?
1836 [16:32:24] <jelly> ,provides nullmailer --release buster
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1838 [16:32:25] <judd> Package nullmailer in buster/amd64 provides: mail-transport-agent.
1839 [16:33:11] <jelly> Xalys: given that it still has that Provides, it should bloody well have a /usr/sbin/sendmail inside or set it up in postinst script
1840 [16:33:30] <bruhworld16> @debhelper
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1842 [16:34:00] <jelly> judd: file usr/sbin/sendmail
1843 [16:34:05] <judd> Search for usr/sbin/sendmail in buster/amd64: exim4-daemon-light: usr/sbin/sendmail; opensmtpd: usr/sbin/sendmail; msmtp-mta: usr/sbin/sendmail; postfix: usr/sbin/sendmail; dma: usr/sbin/sendmail; exim4-daemon-heavy: usr/sbin/sendmail; citadel-server: usr/sbin/sendmail; courier-mta: usr/sbin/sendmail; esmtp-run: usr/sbin/sendmail; nullmailer: usr/sbin/sendmail; qmail-run: usr/sbin/sendmail
1844 [16:34:15] <jelly> Xalys: seems to be there!
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1846 [16:35:32] <Xalys> that is quite strange
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1848 [16:35:51] <Xalys> I did '--reinstall' and now it's there.. oh wel
1849 [16:35:53] <Xalys> l
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1851 [16:35:59] <jelly> Xalys: which version of package is installed? Does "dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail" say anything?
1852 [16:36:17] <jelly> Xalys: if you're missing that one file, who knows what else you may be missing
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1854 [16:36:31] <Xalys> jelly: same version as after --reinstall. I didn't set up this template that nullmailer was installed on
1855 [16:36:54] <jelly> is it a container?
1856 [16:36:59] <Xalys> no, ew
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1860 [16:40:14] <jelly> ask whoever made the template whether the executable is intentionally missing maybe
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1862 [16:40:56] <greycat> I could imagine a person installing nullmailer just to satisfy the mail-transport-agent dependency, and then removing /usr/sbin/sendmail by hand so it can't actually do anything.
1863 [16:41:25] <greycat> (said person obviously didn't learn about equivs)
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1866 [16:42:36] <jelly> ,v mysql-server
1867 [16:42:37] <judd> Package: mysql-server on amd64 -- jessie: 5.5.60-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.5.62-0+deb8u1; stretch: 5.5.9999+default; sid: 5.7.26-1
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1871 [16:47:22] <jhutchins_wk> 9999+default?
1872 [16:47:57] <greycat> "it's not 5.6.0" I assume
1873 [16:48:04] <jelly> that's a meat a package
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1879 [16:49:02] <Kyros> Will ctrl+z then screen and fg work?
1880 [16:49:08] <greycat> no
1881 [16:49:23] <Kyros> yeah, wishful thinking
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1885 [16:50:25] <gZen0n> I don't understand the jail.conf of fail2ban. For every protocols, ports are set as "port=*protocol*". But where are defined default ports ?
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1887 [16:50:46] <greycat> perhaps in /etc/services
1888 [16:50:57] <Kyros> yeah that would be my guess also
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1890 [16:51:36] <gZen0n> ok, so if i changed my ssh port in sshd_config, i should change it in /Etc/services too ?
1891 [16:52:08] <greycat> I wouldn't. I would leave /etc/services alone. If you run ssh on a non-default port, just use that port number in your fail2ban configuration, if for some reason fail2ban needs this port number. I have no idea why it would.
1892 [16:52:11] <Kyros> no, i wouldnt do that
1893 [16:52:16] <Kyros> just change the port in fail2ban
1894 [16:52:27] <jelly> gZen0n: no, don't change /etc/services. That maps standard service names to standard ports.
1895 [16:52:39] <jelly> also, don't change jail.conf either
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1898 [16:53:08] <jelly> gZen0n: put customizations into jail.local in the same directory, it does not exist by default
1899 [16:53:13] <gZen0n> So, am i right to add it in jail.d/defaults-debian.conf ?
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1902 [16:53:43] <jelly> avoid editing any files that the package brought.
1903 [16:53:47] <gZen0n> ok
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1905 [16:54:23] <jelly> avoiding that saves you work on package upgrades and release upgrades.
1906 [16:54:48] <greycat> At the top of replaced-url
1907 [16:55:04] <greycat> and "YOU SHOULD NOT MODIFY THIS FILE"
1908 [16:55:19] <gZen0n> and what is the difference between ssh and sshd ? because I always see ssh on the internet tutorials but in the default configuration sections are always named sshd
1909 [16:55:37] <jelly> greycat: huh.
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1911 [16:55:58] <greycat> The daemon is /usr/sbin/sshd. The config file for the daemon is /etc/ssh/sshd_config. The systemd unit file that controls the daemon as a service is named ssh.service.
1912 [16:56:01] <gZen0n> Yep, i didn't modify it, iI saww this warning
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1914 [16:56:15] <Xalys> sshd is ssh server, ssh is ssh client (technically)
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1916 [16:56:34] <jelly> the service is only called "ssh" on Debian, msot other distros also call the service sshd
1917 [16:56:39] <noord> gZen0n, sshd is server daemon whereas ssh is a client
1918 [16:56:49] <greycat> Unfortunately, the choice of "ssh.service" or "/etc/init.d/ssh" vs. "sshd.service" or "/etc/init.d/sshd" has never been done consistently.
1919 [16:56:50] <gZen0n> thanks all
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1921 [16:58:13] <gZen0n> so technically, if i add jail.d/jail.local conatining "[sshd]\n port=*myport*" it's all i need ?
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1923 [16:58:46] <greycat> if it's under jail.d/ then it should end with .conf
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1925 [16:59:12] <greycat> jail.local would go in the directory above jail.d/ presumably
1926 [16:59:18] <jelly> correct
1927 [16:59:38] <jelly> next to jail.conf, in /etc/fail2ban IIRC
1928 [16:59:45] <gZen0n> ok
1929 [17:00:45] <gZen0n> shouldn't I see a line containing f2b in iptables -S ? after restarting the fail2ban service ?
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2045 [17:59:17] <gZen0n> After reading information about iptables, then nftables, i figured out it's recommended to use firewalld. Do I need to uninstall nftables to avoid incompatibilities ?
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2056 [18:02:26] <tinyhippo> gZen0n: use ufw
2057 [18:02:31] <tinyhippo> it's super easy
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2076 [18:10:59] <gZen0n> @tinyhippo, ufw is directly using netfilter right ? So if i use fail2ban (which can use iptables or nftables) it seems more complicated no ?
2077 [18:11:15] <cybercrypto> Hi there, debian website is down. How do I report that?
2078 [18:11:29] <greycat> replaced-url
2079 [18:12:00] <tinyhippo> gZen0n: it uses iptables like fail2ban
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2083 [18:13:10] <gZen0n> oh, ok. But it seems that nftables is going to be the debian standard. Is ufw compatible ?
2084 [18:13:30] <jelly> cybercrypto: is all your traffic routed over tor? Does this work? replaced-url
2085 [18:14:02] <jelly> (listed on replaced-url
2086 [18:14:24] <gZen0n> works on Tor here
2087 [18:14:32] <cybercrypto> greycat: it was moments ago. it is back now.
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2089 [18:15:20] <cybercrypto> jelly: it is not related to my routing traffic. tor is just to irssi.
2090 [18:15:26] <cybercrypto> *for
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2134 [18:35:10] <wut_da_fuk> !ops
2135 [18:35:11] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
2136 [18:35:15] <wut_da_fuk> !ops fuck you
2137 [18:35:15] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: wut_da_fuk complains about a problem (see above)
2138 [18:35:18] <wut_da_fuk> !ops fuck you
2139 [18:35:27] <wut_da_fuk> !ops fuck you all, you are shit
2140 [18:35:27] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: wut_da_fuk complains about a problem (see above)
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2174 [18:58:18] <OS-52350> mniplex890!
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2176 [18:58:34] <gZen0n> Connected in ssh on Debian buster as a simple user, and using autocompletion after an existing comand but not available for simple users, bash is answering a problem, that prove that this pckg is installed. Isnt'it a security issue ?
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2178 [18:59:00] <greycat> Knowing what packages are installed on a computer you can LOG IN TO is not a security issue.
2179 [18:59:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1575
2180 [18:59:18] <greycat> If you want that information, you can just run "dpkg -l" and not have to faff about with command tab completion.
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2183 [19:00:03] <jelly> greycat: you could parse that?!
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2186 [19:00:32] <greycat> Maybe. I'm partly guessing.
2187 [19:00:35] <jelly> greycat++
2188 [19:00:40] <jelly> dpkg, karma greycat
2189 [19:00:40] <dpkg> greycat has karma of 48
2190 [19:00:54] <Aisha> !dpkg anaconda
2191 [19:00:54] <dpkg> i guess anaconda is the installation program used by Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Fedora and some other distributions (e.g. <Progeny>). replaced-url
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2195 [19:01:58] <jelly> Aisha: either address the bot with ! or with dpkg, not both. Better yet, ask it about stuff in private: /msg dpkg anaconda
2196 [19:02:28] <gZen0n> I was just asking after seing that. I'm not "faffing"...
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2199 [19:03:04] <greycat> you can also do "ls /usr/sbin" and so on
2200 [19:03:09] <KillThemAll> Is there a developer channel? For development related things rather than system related things?
2201 [19:03:13] <greycat> none of this information is sensitive
2202 [19:03:20] <Antoine> Hello, is there a way to restore the default configuration files of a package?
2203 [19:03:27] <KillThemAll> greycat--
2204 [19:03:35] <greycat> Antoine: usually the easiest way is to purge the package, and then reinstall it
2205 [19:03:45] <Antoine> greycat: Ok, thanks
2206 [19:03:46] <jelly> KillThemAll: there are many Debian developer channels on irc.oftc.net (= irc.debian.org, the official network for Debian)
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2208 [19:03:54] <gZen0n> Thank you greycat
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2210 [19:04:12] <deadrom> hi
2211 [19:04:34] <deadrom> can one install debian arm on an Amazon Fire TV?
2212 [19:04:41] <KillThemAll> jelly: I'll set it up later, I was hoping to find something unofficial before I email a package maintainer and waft a random patch in their face.
2213 [19:05:16] <KillThemAll> I realised after joining this is a lot less technical than I'd thought (I figured ##linux would have this sort of traffic)
2214 [19:05:29] <jelly> KillThemAll: doing a reportbug with a random patch attached is best.
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2217 [19:05:51] <BCMM> deadrom: it's an android box, right?
2218 [19:05:58] <KillThemAll> jelly: not a bug report. More a "please set a sensible default and don't do what these retards did"
2219 [19:06:04] <BCMM> deadrom: probably not, but there are various ways you can get a gnu/linux-like environment inside android (including a debian chroot)
2220 [19:06:09] <greycat> KillThemAll: that's a bugreport with "wishlist" severity
2221 [19:06:23] <KillThemAll> gnumake was fine, nothing new since 2006 - they have fucked up everything they have done since.
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2223 [19:07:00] <KillThemAll> How did they fuck up 4.1 so badly that you can't prefix a command with "-" to ignore errors (eg -rm - delete and ignore return status)
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2225 [19:07:02] <KillThemAll> But anyway....
2226 [19:07:17] <jelly> ,v make
2227 [19:07:18] <judd> Package: make on amd64 -- jessie: 4.0-8.1; stretch: 4.1-9.1; bullseye: 4.2.1-1.2; buster: 4.2.1-1.2; sid: 4.2.1-1.2
2228 [19:07:21] <gZen0n> @BCMM it's often easier to flash the entire firmware thant to get a root access inside android imo
2229 [19:07:32] <KillThemAll> jelly: the latest shit probably hasn't spread yet.
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2231 [19:07:43] <jelly> 4.1 seems to already have been present in Debian for a couple releases.
2232 [19:07:48] <KillThemAll> The project was fucking finished, there was nothing to do! How did they do it!
2233 [19:07:51] <BCMM> gZen0n: as long as you have something to flash, sure...
2234 [19:08:09] <KillThemAll> jelly: yeah if I'm seeing it, it's old, I had to beg for GCC 4.8.4 up from 4.2 in 2017
2235 [19:08:12] <gZen0n> @deadrom You can check on XDA developpers forums, you may find something
2236 [19:08:16] <KillThemAll> (4.8 ~ circa 2012)
2237 [19:08:24] <deadrom> BCMM: quad cortex with mali 450 graphics, somewhat similar to a Pi
2238 [19:08:27] <gZen0n> @BCMM of course
2239 [19:08:32] <Antoine> How can I check if a service is enabled (will start automatically on boot)? Systemctl status only says "Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/portsentry; generated)"
2240 [19:08:41] <KillThemAll> jelly: but irrespective now we have to deal with the 4.1 fuckups. It fucked over so much though
2241 [19:08:46] <gZen0n> @BCMM butyou often have to flash even just to have a root access
2242 [19:08:58] <KillThemAll> It's been released, now it is legacy
2243 [19:09:02] <greycat> Antoine: it should say "enabled" or "disabled" at the end of the Loaded: line
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2245 [19:09:09] <greycat> well, not the end..
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2247 [19:09:52] <KillThemAll> I've never wanted to rent a van, load it up with bricks and go to a FOSS conference more in my life
2248 [19:09:53] <greycat> Antoine: I don't know what "generated" means, but it sounds like this isn't a regular unit that has its own static definitions
2249 [19:10:08] <jelly> KillThemAll: sadly this channel is for tech support, not rants about upstream
2250 [19:10:23] <Antoine> Hmm. I did `sudo systemctl enable portsentry` and it said "portsentry.service is not a native service, redirecting to systemd-sysv-install. Executing: /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install enable portsentry"
2251 [19:10:44] <Antoine> So it might be non regular
2252 [19:10:51] <KillThemAll> But this is a "me" problem, thanks jelly - BTW if you haven't heard, it's $(wildcard ...) has become $(sort $(wildcard ... )) by default (environmental toggle) - so if you want to reference some objects in a specific order and match against a/path/or/something, you re f-u-c-k-e-d
2253 [19:11:14] <KillThemAll> jelly: oh this is my normal tone don't worry.
2254 [19:11:23] <greycat> Yes, it looks like "portsentry" is not migrated to systemd yet. The file list at replaced-url
2255 [19:11:32] <jelly> KillThemAll: we have a #debian-offtopic for socializing and will not frown on well argumented tech rants a whole lot there
2256 [19:11:58] <KillThemAll> Implying it is frowned upon here?
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2258 [19:12:14] <jelly> if there are other tech questions going on in here, keep the frequency clear
2259 [19:12:23] <KillThemAll> I'll give it a try
2260 [19:12:28] <Antoine> greycat: How can I make sure it starts automatically then? :s
2261 [19:12:35] <g0zzy> Is it possible to go back to the original box having opted to continue installation remotely over ssh?
2262 [19:12:55] <greycat> Antoine: uh... assuming it works like native sysvinit did, the presence of an /etc/rc2.d/S*portsentry symlink ?
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2264 [19:14:02] <Antoine> greycat: I have /etc/rc2.d/S04portsentry :)
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2266 [19:14:41] <jelly> Antoine: is there any difference in "systemctl status portsentry" output after running "systemctl daemon-reload" ?
2267 [19:14:46] <jhutchins_wk> Antoine: Did you use Drupal before systemd was adopted?
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2269 [19:15:05] <jhutchins_wk> ,v chkconfig
2270 [19:15:06] <judd> Package: chkconfig on amd64 -- jessie: 11.4.54.60.1debian1
2271 [19:15:48] <Antoine> jhutchins_wk: I don't know what Drupal is. I installed Debian on this machine in 2016 and updated it regularly, mostly keeping the default configuration of most packages
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2274 [19:17:27] <cybrNaut> the "lpstat -l" command shows nothing. Yet I clearly have several printers defined in CUPS
2275 [19:17:28] <Antoine> jelly: I can't see any difference
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2277 [19:18:10] <greycat> cybrNaut: "lpstat -t" to see everything
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2279 [19:18:30] <cybrNaut> ah, thanks
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2281 [19:18:48] <jelly> Antoine: if it says "enabled" somewhere in the output presumably it may get started at next reboot
2282 [19:19:13] <jelly> pastebin the whole output for a more thorough opinion
2283 [19:19:40] <greycat> The S04 symlink is a good sign, I think. Ultimately, the real test will be to reboot.
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2287 [19:21:55] <Antoine> jelly: replaced-url
2288 [19:22:15] <Antoine> Yep I'll just see when the machine reboots
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2290 [19:22:36] <jelly> greycat: it's also useless it systemd is pid 1
2291 [19:23:04] <greycat> I don't know a whole lot about the sysv-rc emulation layer in systemd, but I would have expected it to respect the presence or absence of the S* symlinks.
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2296 [19:24:11] <jelly> greycat: nah, it's as "compatible" as fstab is, that is, there's token effort to make very basic functionality work
2297 [19:25:41] <jelly> a "generator" tool runs that automatically creates a systemd unit for each init script separately. Those units are then started or stopped.
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2299 [19:26:16] <greycat> replaced-url
2300 [19:27:18] <jelly> I think what it actually does is read LSB headers instead.
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2302 [19:28:31] <greycat> Could be, I guess. At some point Antoine will just have to reboot and find out.
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2305 [19:29:47] <jelly> "update-rc.d" then takes care of both rc?.d symlinks and systemd unit symlinks in /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/ (equivalent of redhat runlevel 3) and graphical.target.wants/ (you guessed it, equivalent of RH runlevel 5)
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2309 [19:31:48] <jelly> man -k 'systemd.*generator' provides some insight into which other things are (re)implemented in this manner
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2314 [19:33:01] <joepublic> I keep trying to like systemd, I really do
2315 [19:33:40] <KillThemAll> Yeah it's tough - once it goes wrong, or you venture outside of the stuff it can hide the implementation of behind a simple command, it fucks you over hard.
2316 [19:33:44] <jhutchins_wk> Antoine: Sorry, bleedover from multitasking, yes I meant Debian not Drupal. (Drupal is a LAMP CMS.)
2317 [19:34:19] <KillThemAll> joepublic: like I hate to say it... it does do some good things - it may do them horribly in a really ass-about-face way, but it does do them.
2318 [19:34:25] <jhutchins_wk> Antoine: I was trying to guess whether you would be familiar with any of the SysV init management tools.
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2320 [19:34:46] <joepublic> I know. I have systemd on all my servers and on my workstation. I really want to like it.
2321 [19:35:05] <joepublic> heck I have it on my singleboard arm pcs and it works great.
2322 [19:35:07] <greycat> There are parts of it that I really like.
2323 [19:35:30] <joepublic> but honestly, if it caught fire, I might just watch it burn rather than call emergency services.
2324 [19:35:42] <jelly> joepublic: if it comes to that, I'm sure someone will get annoyed enough and fork or reimplement the good parts.
2325 [19:36:24] <jelly> in the meantime it's good enough and certainly better than having 3-4 separate service managers
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2327 [19:36:38] <jelly> at one point I had sysvinit, monit and daemontools on systems.
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2331 [19:36:53] <greycat> I have some systems using sysvinit + daemontools.
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2338 [19:39:00] <jhutchins_wk> Having cut my linux teeth on RedHat I was in the habit of using chkconfig.
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2345 [19:43:47] <jelly> systemd is not ideal but a workable replacement for daemontools. Config files way too verbose for my taste.
2346 [19:44:41] <greycat> The one thing daemontools does, that systemd does NOT, is log to human-readable files that are separate per service.
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2360 [19:50:14] <drdo> ma
2361 [19:50:16] <drdo> oops
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2363 [19:51:28] <gZen0n> hat is the difference between ufw deny and ufw reject rules ?
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2365 [19:54:21] <diogenes_> gZen0n, afaik deny will simply block since reject will send back some bits which might look like a challenge for an attacker.
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2367 [19:55:12] <ratrace> greycat: journalctl -u service-name.service vs grep "ohhellwhichfileisithmmmmlemmefinditohyeahthisone.log" ?
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2370 [19:56:24] <greycat> ratrace: "my logs are somewhere in this binary soup and may stick around a while, or not, who the hell knows" vs. "my logs are here, and they are strictly rotated, and they will last this long"
2371 [19:57:27] <greycat> (you might be thinking of how rsyslog works with /var/log/* in a default setup -- daemontools is different from that)
2372 [19:57:57] <greycat> (and post-daemontools alternatives like runit have loggers with even more control available)
2373 [19:58:25] <gZen0n> even if the log file is somewhere you have to remember, i prefer too to directly adress to a file than to get through a complex package. In french we could say "usine à gaz" gas-factory directly translated
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2375 [19:59:35] <ratrace> greycat: that's just FUD and not really true. first you can always forward to syslog and do whatever rotation and storage of raw text you want. second, you always need a tool to work with teh files, the name of the tool can be grep, or journalctl, cat or journalctl, sed or journalctl. they're not really "human readable", you always need some program to view them.
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2378 [20:00:07] <greycat> can you forward to something *other* than syslogd?
2379 [20:00:21] <ratrace> meanwhile, this is all moot. journal should be considerd just a nice, indexed, volatile buffer before you ship logs to syslog for permanent storage. then there's no problem with it, and you still get to enjoy the indexing api
2380 [20:00:31] <ratrace> greycat: yes, to another journald
2381 [20:00:37] <greycat> so, no :(
2382 [20:00:40] <i-node> hello, I have an openbsd ntpd server, I am trying to sync time by timedatectl -H openbsd_host but it's asking me for a root passwd
2383 [20:00:56] <ratrace> greycat: uh.. "another journald" == "*other* than syslogd"
2384 [20:01:00] <gZen0n> @ratrace a tool to read UTF-8 is generally simpler and lighter than journalctl
2385 [20:01:09] <ratrace> #thisainttwitter
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2390 [20:04:29] <jelly> i-node: are you logged in at the console?
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2397 [20:05:20] <i-node> jelly: nvm, -H specifies ssh connection
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2401 [20:06:01] <i-node> I don't understand why timedatectl does not sync with ntpd openbsd server, since 123 port is open on openbsd
2402 [20:06:09] <i-node> and daemon seems to be working
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2406 [20:06:48] <jmd> Any recommendations for tools to convert video formats?
2407 [20:07:04] <ratrace> ffmpeg
2408 [20:07:14] <i-node> replaced-url
2409 [20:07:21] <i-node> any idea?
2410 [20:07:49] <SwedeMike> jmd: replaced-url
2411 [20:08:19] <SwedeMike> oh, that one might only be for osx though. There are similar ones for Linux.
2412 [20:08:23] <jmd> SwedeMike: I meant in debian
2413 [20:08:34] <ratrace> i-node: it takes time for it to drift
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2415 [20:08:56] <ratrace> jmd: ffmpeg
2416 [20:09:09] <SwedeMike> jmd: replaced-url
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2427 [20:18:04] <jelly> i-node: perhaps it takes, uh, time to sync up? I don't have experience with timesyncd.
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2485 [20:52:28] <AquaL1te> hi, does debian have a list somewhere of the well-known uids? so what i mean, some packages create users, most of them just do `adduser --system ...`, but some need consistent uids, thus set a static uid. i would like to know if this is centrally documented somewhere
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2487 [20:53:04] <greycat> Then the burden is on YOU to provide an account with a consistent UID for this program.
2488 [20:53:36] <greycat> I've only ever heard of ONE program that hard-codes UIDs or GIDs into itself at build time, and that's qmail.
2489 [20:53:53] <greycat> (Not counting UID 0, of course.)
2490 [20:53:58] <BCMM> jmd: handbrake is the popular choice one with a GUI. otherwise, ffmpeg or mencoder/mpv.
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2498 [20:59:26] <AquaL1te> greycat: i know that ;) but i would like to see a list first so that i know which uids are already assigned, so that i don't create a conflict
2499 [21:00:02] <greycat> Just use a UID over 1000, then.
2500 [21:00:05] <AquaL1te> greycat: there are more, like munge, slurm, etc.
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2502 [21:00:52] <AquaL1te> greycat: i'm not asking for the low hanging fruit answers here ;) if someone knows an overview, which red hat, fedora for example do have. then i would like to know where i can find it
2503 [21:01:15] <AquaL1te> because i can't :)
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2505 [21:01:46] <AquaL1te> example: replaced-url
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2512 [21:03:59] <greycat> The only thing I'm aware of that's even REMOTELY SIMILAR to what you seem to take for granted must exist, is the file /var/lib/dpkg/info/base-passwd.preinst which contains the basic templates that /etc/passwd and /etc/group start out with.
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2517 [21:05:01] <greycat> The initial user created during installation gets UID 1000. After that, every single user account is added with a dynamically generated UID, either above 1000 or not.
2518 [21:05:16] <greycat> Unless you add one yourself.
2519 [21:05:45] <AquaL1te> greycat: yeah, for what you installed on your system already. i don't even have to check that directory then, i can just check the passwd file
2520 [21:06:05] <greycat> Read /var/lib/dpkg/info/base-passwd.preinst -- I don't know what more to tell you.
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2524 [21:06:47] <AquaL1te> that list is incomplete
2525 [21:06:57] <greycat> What makes you think that?
2526 [21:07:31] <AquaL1te> slurm, munge are missing for example. hacluster as well. that's enough to conclude it's incomplete
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2529 [21:08:09] <greycat> What makes you think that "slurm" has a different behavior than any other package with respect to user accounts that it creates during installation?
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2534 [21:09:04] <AquaL1te> greycat: because it does have a consistent uid, in every installation. it needs to have it. just like hacluster. distibute systems often need this
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2537 [21:11:23] <greycat> replaced-url
2538 [21:11:29] <greycat> there isn't even a preinst script
2539 [21:11:38] <greycat> I also couldn't find one at replaced-url
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2544 [21:14:10] <AquaL1te> greycat: i can replaced-url
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2546 [21:14:46] <AquaL1te> quite ugly, but it seems to happen outside of the system uid range
2547 [21:15:03] <greycat> so it's slurm-wlm and NOT slurm
2548 [21:15:11] * greycat starts all over from scratch
2549 [21:15:15] <AquaL1te> hacluster has 125
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2551 [21:15:37] <greycat> and ... source package name is slurm-llnl
2552 [21:15:50] <greycat> because of course it is, why wouldn't it be
2553 [21:16:21] <AquaL1te> greycat: wow, is the debian community always this much stressed?
2554 [21:16:40] <greycat> I am currently at replaced-url
2555 [21:17:00] <AquaL1te> i'm giving straight examples and a straight question, but stress levels are quite high here it seems :P
2556 [21:17:08] <greycat> jesus christ there are lot of files here
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2559 [21:18:47] <AquaL1te> greycat: it's just one example, munge, hacluster, or many other packages often require a static uid. but i guess there is no overview and the community needs a holiday. i'll just 'fix' it on the same professional level in debian then :x
2560 [21:18:52] <greycat> OK, this one hard-codes a UID above 64000 in one of its 4 different preinst scripts. Now I've seen a new thing. Congratulations.
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2565 [21:20:26] <greycat> This preinst script also uses shell quoting incorrectly. I'm not going to bother bug-reporting it, though.
2566 [21:21:48] <greycat> Here, this may be something you will want to read: replaced-url
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2568 [21:23:36] <AquaL1te> greycat: thanks, that's helpful indeed
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2673 [22:12:43] <davanger> Hello, fresh install of debian 10. Apt install net-tools and even though ifconfig is there it won't exectute
2674 [22:12:46] <davanger> execute*
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2676 [22:12:52] <davanger> Can someone explain what's going on?
2677 [22:12:55] <greycat> !buster su
2678 [22:12:55] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
2679 [22:13:11] <davanger> im root
2680 [22:13:13] <davanger> With su
2681 [22:13:23] <greycat> How did you BECOM../. yeah. As I just said.
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2683 [22:13:29] <davanger> su
2684 [22:13:31] <davanger> pass
2685 [22:13:36] <greycat> Read the bot's answer.
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2697 [22:16:40] <davanger> Did that now when I try to login I get configuration error on screen. Yet it works...
2698 [22:16:46] <davanger> hackthis
2699 [22:17:05] <davanger> ...
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2701 [22:18:00] <greycat> The error message is harmless, as far as I know. If you want to rant at the Debian developers for inflicting this on the userbase with no warning and no consideration for backward compatibility, feel free, but not for very long please.
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2703 [22:18:38] <davanger> This is some sloppy shit....
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2735 [22:27:50] <yura123> I downloaded and use a vm preconfigured for reverse engineer mips. the vm works corectly but I can not install more packages. The vm has been made on 2014. I am going to give you the sources.list.
2736 [22:29:26] <ksk> !archive
2737 [22:29:26] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see replaced-url
2738 [22:29:34] <ksk> whichever archived debian release its running.. ;)
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2742 [22:31:16] <yura123> I have already checked and changed the sources.list as told. this is why I told I was going to show you the sources.list. my vm is booting
2743 [22:31:18] <yura123> still thank
2744 [22:31:21] <supayoshi> Hi I cannot locate the package, libipset3 in debian buster?
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2746 [22:31:28] <supayoshi> on raspberrypi
2747 [22:31:32] <supayoshi> raspbian
2748 [22:32:06] <greycat> !raspbian
2749 [22:32:06] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
2750 [22:32:09] <yura123> did you try "locate libipset3" or dpkg --search libipset3 ?
2751 [22:32:40] <supayoshi> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern *libipset3*
2752 [22:33:37] <yura123> I use replaced-url
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2757 [22:35:35] <yura123> ok I think my problem is I have "deb replaced-url
2758 [22:35:47] <greycat> !wheezy sources.list
2759 [22:35:47] <dpkg> Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb replaced-url
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2762 [22:36:04] <greycat> There're no more security updates for wheezy.
2763 [22:36:24] <yura123> so can I comment the lines on security?
2764 [22:36:29] <greycat> yes
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2769 [22:41:26] <supayoshi> how do i update it?
2770 [22:42:08] <greycat> you run "apt-get update" once. it will never change, so there's no real need to run it again.
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2772 [22:43:48] <yura123> my program works well now. but no idea of what I can do if one day I want to upgrade to jessie.
2773 [22:44:26] <yura123> I will see that latter
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2778 [22:46:40] <adophilus> Hey! Is anyone online?
2779 [22:46:50] <greycat> nope
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2781 [22:48:20] <nyov> supayoshi: libipset3 is from raspbian jessie. what is "cat /etc/debian_version" saying?
2782 [22:48:48] <supayoshi> 10.2
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2784 [22:49:02] <greycat> oh, I mixed up two different people there
2785 [22:49:16] <nyov> supayoshi: well, there you go. libipset3 does no longer exists in that
2786 [22:49:25] <greycat> Time to /ignore the one who is in the wrong place and isn't leaving.
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2790 [22:51:01] <adophilus> I'm running Kali Linux
2791 [22:51:18] <greycat> !Kali
2792 [22:51:18] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
2793 [22:51:34] <adophilus> and up until recently my Kali installation had been working just fine
2794 [22:51:39] <greycat> annnd another.
2795 [22:52:26] <KillThemAll> greycat: there is more to life than passing the buck on like that
2796 [22:52:37] <KillThemAll> For all but proper noob questions the not-debian veneer is thin
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2798 [22:52:56] <greycat> We do not support Kali, Raspbian, Ubuntu, Parrot, etc. here.
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2800 [22:53:01] <adophilus> The major problem is that I cannot ping my Gateway's address on Kali
2801 [22:53:04] <greycat> If you don't agree with that, too bad. You are wrong.
2802 [22:53:08] <adophilus> but I can do so on windows
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2804 [22:54:10] <KillThemAll> greycat: If I asked you "I've forgotten where to find source.list and I don't know how to use find" would you go "sure, check /etc/apt" but if it contained "PS: I'm on Debian-in-all-but-name" you'd go !fuckyou?
2805 [22:54:19] <greycat> *plonk*
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2809 [22:54:35] <KillThemAll> 'cos if so that's kinda spiteful.
2810 [22:55:33] <adophilus> and this only applies for the portable hotspot I start on my Android phone
2811 [22:55:47] <adophilus> kali can ping the gateway of my router
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2813 [22:55:50] <adophilus> though
2814 [22:56:04] <towo`> adophilus, if you can't help yourself, kali is not a distro for you
2815 [22:56:14] <nyov> +1
2816 [22:56:21] <adophilus> ?
2817 [22:56:36] <towo`> nothing ?
2818 [22:56:40] <KillThemAll> adophilus: although that guy is a dick (surname is Wooledge - 'nuff said) what you're talking about are basic noob networking problems. These are easy to debug yourself when you know EVEN A LITTLE but hard and slow done through IRC - you need to learn, that is part of maturing.
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2821 [22:57:01] <towo`> Kali is not for wanabe hax0rs
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2823 [22:57:12] <KillThemAll> adophilus: also Kali is that one in that Mr Robot marxist parable right? Apparently the main character knows his shit. Just FYI
2824 [22:57:25] <adophilus> Yes I know Kali is not for wannabe hackers
2825 [22:57:37] <adophilus> but I've really tried to fix this problem
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2827 [22:57:50] <adophilus> I tried modifying the routes
2828 [22:57:58] <adophilus> but that was not the issue
2829 [22:58:10] <adophilus> I tried using ip r
2830 [22:58:16] <adophilus> that didn't work either
2831 [22:58:35] <KillThemAll> adophilus: as I said this is basic network shit - it's a long road. For years I'd ask questions and people would say RTFM, I know now they had it open and knew it was there, the cycle continues. We're not dicks, but greycat actually is.
2832 [22:58:50] <KillThemAll> You've also shown no information.
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2837 [22:59:49] <KillThemAll> adophilus: check out iptables --list -v as well, or iptables-v - it's not just about routing, you need to make sure your gateway gives a shit and shit
2838 [22:59:59] <KillThemAll> It's not hard conceptually, the biggest problem is the tonnes of shitty blogs out there
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2840 [23:00:41] <KillThemAll> Everything except Systemd really is not hard conceptually.
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2850 [23:07:03] <Orbstheorem> Hello, do you know if there's an option to use schroot without configuring /etc/schroot/schroot.conf ? I find it a bit annoying to add a section with one line (directory), chroot and then delete it back...
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2866 [23:16:35] <KillThemAll> Orbstheorem: you're lucky greycat just quit, if you weren't on Debian he'd not help even though it's nothing to do with it
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2870 [23:17:40] <KillThemAll> Unfortunately Orbstheorem chroot is seldom used, because there's so little guidance as to how, you may want to approach ... oh I misread
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2872 [23:18:03] <KillThemAll> Ask but live with deleting for now?
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2875 [23:19:25] <ksk> I suppose you would use linux containers for most but the basic "chroot/schroot" usecases nowadays - but it rather adds complexetiy..
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2878 [23:20:20] <nyov> KillThemAll: actually, I'd have to say you're the dick for calling someone a dick who's actually helping people here in their free time
2879 [23:20:31] <nyov> Orbstheorem: you can use the -d switch for schroot
2880 [23:21:30] <nyov> KillThemAll: if you wrote some software, and it got forked, and all the forks users would come to you for support with their fork's issues; would you happily sit there and help them in your time?
2881 [23:21:33] <Orbstheorem> I have a very well justified chroot case :D
2882 [23:21:39] <Orbstheorem> I'm fixing a broker system ^^
2883 [23:22:14] <nyov> all the schroot options have commandline flags AFAICT
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2899 [23:28:58] <Orbstheorem> I get chroot not found :(
2900 [23:29:09] <ksk> !buster su
2901 [23:29:09] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
2902 [23:29:22] <ksk> we should giveout weekly gifts to whomever called that one most..
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2907 [23:31:36] <nyov> :)
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2909 [23:32:10] <raildex> !buster sh
2910 [23:32:15] <nyov> this is one change I really hate myself. still messes me up some times. "Why the hell is my ssh agent not forwarded???"
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2924 [23:45:53] <midbucket> miedzinski IDENTIFY
2925 [23:46:05] <midbucket> midbucket IDENTIFY
2926 [23:46:32] <midbucket> !ghost
2927 [23:46:32] <dpkg> methinks ghost is for current information in Debian, see replaced-url
2928 [23:46:53] <midbucket> !alpha
2929 [23:46:53] <dpkg> WANTED: loving home for CPU architecture. Alpha is housebroken, and has had all its shots. Friendly, affectionate and energetic! Contact DEC (oops, Compaq! (oops, HP! (oops, the morgue))) for details. replaced-url
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2931 [23:47:56] <nyov> hmm. wonder what it says about mips
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2939 [23:54:42] <KillThemAll> nyov: "also killed by Itanium" should be in there
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2943 [23:56:47] <nyov> Hm. I think you can amend the factoid, if it really needs to be in there :p
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2947 [23:58:12] <joepublic> I guess it was a murder-suicide.
2948 [23:58:21] <nyov> hahaha, indeed
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2950 [23:58:57] <nyov> all the RISC is dead. no RISC no fun
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