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• 29[00:16:35] <jeff_septic> Hi guys, my machine sounds disappear after I suspend my computer, and I don't know what's causing it
• 30[00:16:56] <jeff_septic> what data should I provide for you to help me debugging it ?
• 31[00:17:08] <jeff_septic> thanks in advance
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• 73[00:33:39] <Yamaxandau> In Chile, autism isn't really cared for it. It's hard for me.
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• 75[00:34:24] <Yamaxandau> Wrong channel. Sorry
• 76[00:34:41] <zen262176> 😂
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• 95[00:55:00] <customer> I am new to kiwi irc. I see no traffic. Is anyone on this channel?
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• 99[00:55:47] <jelly> customer, this channel is for tech support, so if there are no tech questions being asked it's okay to see no traffic in here
• 100[00:56:10] <customer> Thank you for responding.
• 101[00:56:53] <jelly> you can /join ##chat or #debian-offtopic for non-support chat and socializing of some sort
• 102[00:57:07] <customer> I was directed to this irc system (channel #sunshine-support) for tech support.
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• 104[00:57:50] <jelly> ah. you're talking to #debian right now.
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• 106[00:57:57] <customer> Seeing no response, I was unsure if I was using kiwi correctly. I will try debian-offtopic and chat. Thank you.
• 107[00:57:58] <evadethesky> Well, Freenode causes all of the issues. Rizon has no issues. You get free anime and movies too!
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• 115[00:59:06] <fraktor> I'm having trouble starting firefox and firefox esr on debian unstable. I don't think it's an issue with the firefox builds, since it's happening on esr. Any ideas on how to start debugging this?
• 116[00:59:40] <dvs> !debian-next
• 117[00:59:40] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 270[02:47:29] <jsync2> Is there a command to query how much RAM an operating system can utilize?
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• 272[02:47:48] <annadane> 'free'
• 273[02:48:05] <annadane> though "can utilize"... no, but free will tell you how much RAM you have
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• 276[02:51:10] <jsync2> 'free' results with "total", "used", & "free". "swap" shows twice the total.
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• 280[02:53:10] <jsync2> Are all the Debian Stretch repositories still hosted?
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• 282[02:53:32] <annadane> ys
• 283[02:53:34] <annadane> yes*
• 284[02:53:40] <jsync2> & until July, somebody said?
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• 287[02:54:02] <annadane> i said it, and yes, oldstable - in this case stretch - is supported for a year after release of stable
• 288[02:54:35] <annadane> as time goes by though you may as well update unless you have specific reason not to
• 289[02:54:53] <annadane> some people do wait until .1 or .2 but most people will want to upgrade right away
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• 297[03:01:25] <karlpinc> Mostly people who upgrade right away get better support because everybody's doing it at the same time.
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• 300[03:05:58] <jsync2> That's a good point, karlpinc. It's just that I have a large project I started in Wheezy.
• 301[03:06:52] <jsync2> It seems logical that transitioning will be easier if I step to Stretch first.
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• 313[03:18:23] <phogg> jsync2: archive.debian.org has all the old stuff even if you age out of the supported window
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• 319[03:23:12] <annadane> jsync2, if you're on wheezy now you need to go to jessie first, then stretch
• 320[03:23:16] <annadane> skipping releases is not allowed
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• 328[03:29:12] <Arimil> UUID=da2932d9-bea7-4ece-a305-c84db1b76919 /media/media ext4 auto,user,rw,async 0 2
• 329[03:29:38] <Arimil> I rebooted the system and the drive mounted but it seems only root has acess to the drive.
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• 367[04:10:44] <jsync2> How do I use mkdir for folder name that has parentheses? mkdir folder (2020)?
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• 369[04:11:49] <annadane> mkdir "folder (2020)"
• 370[04:14:26] <jsync2> annadane, thanks. That works.
• 371[04:15:37] <annadane> although typically spaces in filenames in unix are discouraged
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• 373[04:17:59] <jsync2> Has anybody used mysqldump before? I do a mysqldump _database1_ > _database1_.sql & I get "Access Denied".
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• 375[04:18:50] <jsync2> password I guess, though I'm not sure about mysqldump options.
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• 420[05:06:50] <jsync2> Wow! Alright, somebody wrote to use mysqldump as Root user, so I did. Suddenly, it's taking a long time to write these database files, as if it didn't work without using Root, not actually.
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• 424[05:08:17] <jsync2> Syntax actually is: mysqldump -u _user-name_ -p _database-name_ > _database-name_.sql
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• 466[05:43:17] <jsync2> This actually is taking a long time. To backup a single database actually has taken more within a contrasted compare of an hour, & it's still not finished yet, not actually, & I have ten more databases to backup.
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• 470[05:45:44] <jsync2> My big fear is backing up all of this data, & restoring it to an updated Operating System just to realize that I forgot a bunch of important things. Though the bigger fear is a system crash. I'll probably spend all of 2020 looking at & organizing this project.
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• 472[05:47:49] <jsync2> The know-how is not the end-all solution, not actually. I wish more programmers would write programming guides & the like. The insights really are invaluable.
• 473[05:50:31] <jsync2> When asking about a C Programming Guide, people cited the ANSI book. I hated it. I barely got through it, & it didn't really help me much, not actually. I needed to read it so I could learn on my own via looking at other C Programs.
• 474[05:52:30] <BazookaTooth> tearing apart other people's code is a pretty common method of learning to program
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• 486[06:11:00] <skraaj> Is there a way to check which ports are used by a program while it's running? I want to check which ports need to be open for vsftpd, but would be great if I knew how to check thatfor other stuff. 20-25 is open but I still cannot connect without disabling ufw
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• 497[06:21:10] <nvz> skraaj: of course there is
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• 509[06:27:40] <skraaj> nvz: mind sharing?
• 510[06:28:08] <nvz> skraaj: the information is exposed by the kernel in the /proc/ filesystem and there are tools like netstat
• 511[06:28:24] <nvz> skraaj: i.e. cat /proc/net/tcp or netstat -pant
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• 524[06:44:26] <skraaj> Thanks, looks like netstat -pant shows what I need, but still after allowing that through ufw I can't connect :|
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• 539[07:22:00] <aaro> do you guys know if chromium is going to be updated in oldstable (stretch)? it's at v79 in stable, yet it's still at v73 in stretch
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• 541[07:25:15] <jm_> apparently not, see replaced-url
• 542[07:26:22] <aaro> oh, thanks for the link
• 543[07:26:44] <jm_> no problem
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• 547[07:32:29] <jsync2> Is there a way to scroll within screen via an ssh connection? My terminal is treating screen like a bash window or something, though I can scroll in the ssh terminal connection until I attach to a screen session.
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• 549[07:32:48] <jm_> yes there is
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• 559[07:39:55] <jm_> C-a [ gets you in copy mode, scroll arround within that, see info screen 'Copy and Paste' 'Copy'
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• 570[07:44:17] <quarterback> How to prevent debian from going to standby when computer is idle?
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• 576[07:47:12] <ensamvarg> quarterback: Set sleep-inactive-ac-timeout=0 to zero in /etc/gdm3/greeter.dconf-defaults.
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• 585[07:50:13] <quarterback> ensamvarg, I want the computer to be in low power mode yet powered on.
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• 587[07:52:18] <ensamvarg> quarterback: What do you mean by low power mode, suspend state?
• 588[07:52:39] <quarterback> ensamvarg, I mean the computer should be on like irc client should be running when computer is idle.
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• 591[07:53:06] <quarterback> ensamvarg, At the same time,the processor consumption should be like 1% to 5%
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• 593[07:54:38] <ensamvarg> quarterback: I don't know if there is such low power mode. Maybe someone else can help.
• 594[07:54:53] <quarterback> ensamvarg, There is a blank power mode. What is it?
• 595[07:55:40] <ensamvarg> quarterback: I guess it simply turns the monitor to 'blank' state, meaning that the monitor gets turned of.
• 596[07:56:44] <quarterback> ensamvarg, What about interactive mode?
• 597[07:56:44] <jm_> try running powertop
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• 599[07:58:22] <ensamvarg> 'interactive' # shows a pop-up query asking the user what to do
• 600[07:58:55] <quarterback> jm_, What does powertop show?
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• 602[07:59:22] <jm_> also look at /sys/bus/cpu/devices/cpu0/cpufreq/{scaling_driver,scaling_governor}
• 603[07:59:28] <jm_> quarterback: run it and you'll see
• 604[07:59:43] <quarterback> jm_, I see various processes and how long they have been active.
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• 607[08:00:59] <jm_> quarterback: tru the TAB key to switch views
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• 611[08:03:29] <quarterback> jm_, I see "conservative" in scaling_governor and acpi-cpufreq in scaling_driver
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• 613[08:04:35] <jm_> quarterback: looks good to me then, your CPU is already configured to save power
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• 620[08:08:48] <quarterback> Can I change this value ? /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq
• 621[08:08:56] <quarterback> It seems like this is overwritten.
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• 632[08:13:37] <jm_> try setting it with cpupower frequency-set
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• 641[08:20:29] <jsync2> If I do a clean install of Debian Buster to a new disk, is there a way to copy the database info out of the old disk to the clean install file system directly, as opposed to importing database files?
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• 645[08:22:22] <jm_> which database
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• 647[08:24:21] <jsync2> mysql databases.
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• 649[08:25:46] <jm_> I would use mysql tools to migrate it to a new system
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• 651[08:26:41] <jim> jsync2, I think mysql can make database dumps
• 652[08:27:02] <jm_> no idea if just copying it will work - I would expect mysql to have arch independent storage format, but hey who knows
• 653[08:27:07] <jsync2> mysqldump will restore database files, though it's sort of time consuming.
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• 676[08:43:42] <Mattx> Hey. I'm trying to add "adb shell input keyevent 82" as a keyboard shortcut. However it doesn't work, meaning it does nothing. If I run that in bash or sh it causes the menu button on my dev phone to be "pressed"
• 677[08:43:44] <Mattx> What can be wrong?
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• 686[08:48:55] <jsync2> Is Gespeaker functional in Debian Stretch?
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• 689[08:50:09] <jsync2> Gespeaker broke partly in Wheezy, when particular other things were installed. There's a file.so missing for some reason.
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• 691[08:51:01] <fiet> Mattx: I think you need to open that command in a shell/terminal. So make a shortcut where you open a terminal window and within that window open your adb command. Depending on the terminal you use, you can probably parse the command to the terminal.
• 692[08:51:22] <jsync2> The file is hard to track. It's within a separate package that gets uninstalled.
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• 696[08:52:41] <Mattx> fiet, what would that be in the case of konsole for instance?
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• 700[08:53:46] <fiet> Mattx: konsole -e
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• 702[08:53:55] <fiet> try konsole --help, it's the last line
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• 727[09:10:04] <Regor> last modified time of some files in not shown correctly . how to fix it? i tested it on mc too besides default thunar.
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• 755[09:32:08] <jsync2> Has anybody else looked at the linux programming tutorials in Google play? Most of them seem written of people whom use English as a 2nd language. I'm sort of curious if anybody has any recommendations.
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• 770[09:45:59] <jim> jsync2, what do you want to do specifically?
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• 780[10:05:02] <BazookaTooth> jsync2: not familiar with what's on google play but if udemy is any indication.. a good portion of what you will find for free or cheap is going to be from the same sort of author
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• 783[10:06:04] <jsync2> jim, what do you mean?
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• 787[10:08:52] <jsync2> jim, do you mean, regarding programming tutorials?
• 788[10:09:24] <jim> yeah,,, you want some sort of recommendations, but for what?
• 789[10:10:41] <CarlFK> linux programming >
• 790[10:10:52] <CarlFK> is that a thing?
• 791[10:11:09] <jsync2> Oh. Uh, I looked at a couple of things: A CLI Tutorial or Reference guide, & a C Language Programming guide.
• 792[10:12:12] <CarlFK> I think you will get further down the path you want by doing python tutorials
• 793[10:12:12] <jsync2> CarlFK, you have a point, luckily for Linux users.
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• 795[10:12:39] <CarlFK> if you use linux to learn python, you will learn a fair big of CLI stuff
• 796[10:13:05] <jsync2> CarlFK, Python is cool.
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• 798[10:13:56] <Haohmaru> unless ur SNEKophobic
• 799[10:14:13] <jsync2> I would love to rework the Python scripts for Primstar. They don't work with Blender editions after 2.49b.
• 800[10:15:26] <jsync2> It's a great utility. The author wants $30 for the updated scripts.😕
• 801[10:15:39] <CarlFK> having a goal like that is a good motivator
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• 803[10:16:34] <jsync2> CarlFK, you're right about that as well. I learned some of PHP with that sort of motivator.
• 804[10:16:37] <jelly> silly software author, wanting to eat and pay bills
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• 807[10:17:42] <jsync2> jelly, really it's a counter-attitude to those whom believe tech & software is a disposable commodity.
• 808[10:18:34] <jsync2> If I'm gonna spend money, then I couldn't find an alternative fix, not actually.
• 809[10:20:01] <jsync2> I have an old square monitor I'm using for a system while I troubleshoot a machines monitor that recently went out.
• 810[10:20:52] <jsync2> CarlFK, Python is a good suggestion though. Thanks.
• 811[10:21:47] <CarlFK> it's my favorate thing
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• 813[10:22:05] <ensamvarg> Perl still rules da house.
• 814[10:25:08] <jim> jsync2, take a look at this replaced-url
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• 816[10:26:25] <jim> also replaced-url
• 817[10:27:31] <jim> the video is really not just for beginning pythoners, but also beginning programmers, which you might not be
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• 821[10:29:56] <jsync2> jim, "The Strange History of this Book". That's sort of what I am talking about. The ANSI C Programming Guide is a terrible starting point for C Programming, imo.
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• 824[10:30:34] <BazookaTooth> sweigart's online version of 'automating the boring stuff with python' was fun. 'think python' filled in the gaps
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• 827[10:32:40] <jsync2> jim, good suggestion. I'm gonna read "Think Python". Thanks.
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• 829[10:33:06] <BazookaTooth> it's the one recommended by #python
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• 831[10:34:58] <jim> on the other hand, if you just want to relax and watch an 11 hour flick an hour at a time or so, while they're kinda annoying, they do get the job done
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• 836[10:39:04] <r1nt3c> ls -a
• 837[10:39:10] <r1nt3c> sorry misstake
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• 839[10:39:51] <Haohmaru> too much SNEK here
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• 841[10:40:18] <Haohmaru> why not C++ ?
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• 843[10:41:35] <jsync2> Haohmaru, I agree, though did you read Ken Thompsons' review of C++?
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• 845[10:42:22] <Haohmaru> no, who he?
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• 847[10:43:12] <Haohmaru> if i was reading reviews, i was never gonna start coding
• 848[10:43:41] <jsync2> Ken Thompson is credited with creating Unix, concisely.
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• 850[10:44:08] <jim> Haohmaru, replaced-url
• 851[10:45:19] <Haohmaru> i haven't been born yet, probably
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• 854[10:46:29] <jsync2> 😉
• 855[10:47:00] <Haohmaru> "When the three of us [Thompson, Rob Pike, and Robert Griesemer] got started, it was pure research. The three of us got together and decided that we hated C++. [laughter]"
• 856[10:47:10] <Haohmaru> okay, i don't need to read his review then
• 857[10:47:16] <Haohmaru> hat0r
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• 859[10:47:42] <Haohmaru> learn Go then
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• 861[10:47:45] <jsync2> I like C++, mostly.
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• 864[10:48:40] <jsync2> I don't like various things about C++, not actually, though I still like C++.
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• 867[10:50:04] <Haohmaru> i can picture it in my head: "so wuddayawanna do guys? i'm bored" "i don't know" ... "i hate C++" "yeah me too lol" "lololololololol"
• 868[10:50:12] <jim> as you saw from the wikipedia page, Thompson started on unix in like 1969, and it was announced outside bell labs in 1973
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• 912[11:36:02] <dob1> I am using |egrep '0120[0-9]{4}$' I am sure the lines end with this pattern but it doesn't work
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• 914[11:37:06] <ratrace> dob1: what about grep -P
• 915[11:37:43] <Fox> dob1: are you sure you don't have ^M a the end of your lines ?
• 916[11:38:19] <dob1> I dos2unix the file
• 917[11:38:32] <dob1> ratrace, I got it but it still doesn't work
• 918[11:38:52] <ratrace> dob1: can you hexdump one such example line?
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• 921[11:39:28] <dob1> I got it works!
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• 925[11:42:27] <dob1> anyway using perl regexp in grep is a NICE thing
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• 930[11:45:46] <Voldenet> you can always actually use perl: |perl -ne '/0120[0-9]{4}$/ && print'
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• 1002[12:49:30] <setpill> Hi, I'm trying to install libapache2-mod-php5 on jessie for a legacy project, but it can't install its dependencies.
• 1003[12:49:58] <setpill> Namely php5-cli, php5-common and php5-json have no candidate versions
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• 1005[12:50:40] <setpill> However, I clearly see them listed on packages.debian.org - what could I be doing wrong?
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• 1008[12:51:32] <cyberdeath2-7> testing
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• 1011[12:51:50] <ratrace> ,v php5-common
• 1012[12:51:51] <judd> Package: php5-common on amd64 -- jessie: 5.6.33+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.40+dfsg-0+deb8u8
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• 1015[12:52:44] <ratrace> setpill: can you pastebin apt-cache php5-common as well as your /etc/apt/sources.list
• 1016[12:52:54] <ksk> setpill: I assume you are aware that php5 is a huuge security risk, yes? ;)
• 1017[12:53:05] <setpill> ksk: as stated, legacy project
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• 1021[12:53:49] <ratrace> a "legacy project" can still be a security threat to everyone involved
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• 1023[12:54:58] <setpill> ack
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• 1026[12:57:19] <setpill> ratrace: apt-cache php5-common gives `E: Invalid operation php5-common`
• 1027[12:57:33] <ratrace> setpill: eh sorry, apt-cache policy
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• 1030[12:58:40] <setpill> /etc/apt/sources.list: replaced-url
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• 1037[13:03:13] <unborn> hello, can anyone tell me please, was this removed from debian 10? replaced-url
• 1038[13:03:54] <unborn> don't know its name.. sort of app panel for whats running..
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• 1044[13:06:46] <setpill> unborn: looks like gnome 3
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• 1048[13:07:20] <unborn> yap setpill sorry I forgot to mentioned I run gnome since debian 6
• 1049[13:07:24] <setpill> I believe gnome 3 got rid of the system tray some versions ago
• 1050[13:07:34] <setpill> There's extensions to bring it back
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• 1052[13:08:05] <diogenes_> yeah and extensions make gnome lag also they are very unstable.
• 1053[13:08:25] <ratrace> in other words, don't run gnome :)
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• 1055[13:08:38] <diogenes_> ^^^^^
• 1056[13:08:39] <unborn> setpill: that was screenshot from my debian 9 install, it came with debian it self but on 10 its somehow not there
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• 1058[13:08:59] <ratrace> between releases i 9 and 10, gnome dropped systray support
• 1059[13:09:08] <ratrace> %s/ i /
• 1060[13:09:09] <setpill> unborn: Presumably on debian 10 you have a newer version of Gnome 3
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• 1062[13:09:26] <setpill> diogenes_: No, Gnome 3 makes Gnome 3 lag
• 1063[13:09:36] <setpill> ;)
• 1064[13:09:36] <unborn> ah yes I now reading online it was removed quiet while ago
• 1065[13:09:48] <diogenes_> setpill, you put it better :)
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• 1068[13:10:25] <setpill> ratrace: Found out the cause of the php5 issue, btw, thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
• 1069[13:10:39] <ratrace> setpill: what was it?
• 1070[13:11:34] <setpill> Upstream dockerfile doing `echo 'Package: php*'; echo 'Pin: release *'; echo 'Pin-Priority: -1'; > /etc/apt/preferences.d/no-debian-php`
• 1071[13:12:04] <ratrace> setpill: I lost you at docker. :)
• 1072[13:12:27] <setpill> It is surprising how long one can live after losing one's soul
• 1073[13:12:47] <ratrace> the world is full of zombies. linux systems even more so :)
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• 1083[13:21:14] <Beam_Inn> i forgot my pasword on a debian for linux subsystem
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• 1085[13:22:21] <jm_> !i forgot root's password
• 1086[13:22:21] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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• 1091[13:23:51] <ksk> not sure if "debian for linux subsystem" does include a bootloader, mhm.
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• 1094[13:27:34] <jelly> it does not, just a custom init
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• 1103[13:34:11] <kallenp> Hello, please, howto right rsync Debian 10.2 from KVM to VMware over rsync ? When I rsync it with this command replaced-url
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• 1108[13:35:49] <colo-work> imo, it's better to use `rsync --one-file-system ...` instead of the multiple "--exclude"-patterns
• 1109[13:36:54] <jm_> initrd regeneration fails with error 1?
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• 1112[13:37:51] <ratrace> kallenp: I'd also include -A -X ; however, you can't just rsync and expect things to boot just like that. Did disk names change? does fstab need an update? network interface? reinstalled grub bootloader? reconfigured grub.cfg? ...
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• 1115[13:38:51] <kallenp> yes, disk names are changed … vda —> sda
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• 1119[13:40:22] <ratrace> kallenp: right, so check fstab if it requires to be update, especially if UUIDs are used
• 1120[13:40:48] <ratrace> kallenp: if you have encryption, do the same for /etc/crypttab
• 1121[13:41:18] <kallenp> UUID and fstab are correct....
• 1122[13:41:37] <kallenp> because, I am excluding /etc/fstab from sync from old system to new
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• 1124[13:42:05] <julius_> hi
• 1125[13:42:06] <kallenp> I dont kave encryption
• 1126[13:42:21] <kallenp> have
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• 1128[13:43:14] <ratrace> kallenp: what about grub and initramfs, (re-)created/updated?
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• 1130[13:44:20] <julius_> i followed the official mariadb page on howto add mariadb 10.3 to debian sid, but when running apt update i get: Err:3 replaced-url
• 1131[13:44:24] <julius_> why is that?
• 1132[13:44:25] <kallenp> ratrace: when I am trying to reconfigure initramfs i have error1
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• 1134[13:44:48] <julius_> i can open: replaced-url
• 1135[13:44:50] <kallenp> ratrace: dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc - this is OK
• 1136[13:44:54] <lembron> hu, can i make "apt-cache show/search" also "show the source repo"?
• 1137[13:44:57] <Beam_Inn> jm_ there's no grub on linux subsys
• 1138[13:45:08] <ksk> lembron: apt-cache policy
• 1139[13:45:14] <kallenp> ratrace: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-4.19.0-6-amd64 fail
• 1140[13:45:15] <ratrace> kallenp: what error?
• 1141[13:45:15] <jm_> Beam_Inn: then find how to pass the kernel parameters mentioned by dpkg
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• 1143[13:45:16] <ksk> apt-cache policy $pkg
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• 1145[13:45:29] <Beam_Inn> k
• 1146[13:45:29] <ratrace> kallenp: update-initramfs -u
• 1147[13:45:31] <Beam_Inn> ty
• 1148[13:45:41] <kallenp> ratrace: take me few minutes, i will post it...
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• 1150[13:46:50] <lembron> ksk hm, not perfect, but that should get me somewhere - thanks =)
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• 1154[13:47:37] <kallenp> ratrace: replaced-url
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• 1157[13:48:33] <ratrace> kallenp: first, check that /etc/mtab is a symlink to /proc/self/mounts
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• 1159[13:48:41] <ratrace> I see you excluded it from rsync, so it's maybe missing
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• 1162[13:49:27] <lembron> not perfect -> cause it seems to be missing the distingct "where from the currently installed is"... - just says 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status as policy when the source has updated...
• 1163[13:49:54] <ratrace> kallenp: second, you have RESUME with UUID but it's missing, so update that config too in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf or conf.d
• 1164[13:50:36] <jm_> julius_: try running apt with --print-uris and then look if the file's it's trying to fetch from there are really accessible
• 1165[13:50:40] <kallenp> symlink from /etc/mtab is exist
• 1166[13:51:10] <ratrace> kallenp: also, why did you skip on /lib/udev, that's a system path...
• 1167[13:51:46] <lembron> to be precise, replaced-url
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• 1172[13:53:32] <julius_> jm_ just remembered, for a similar server i had to download the files manually
• 1173[13:53:36] <ratrace> kallenp: you skipped /sys (but didn't skip /dev) and /proc so make sure those directories exist on the target machine, for udev to mount special filesystems there.
• 1174[13:53:39] <julius_> apparently the firewall blocks
• 1175[13:53:51] <kallenp> ratrace: I repair /etc/initramfs-tools/xxxx with correct UUID
• 1176[13:53:54] <kallenp> whats now ?
• 1177[13:54:10] <ratrace> kallenp: now try to initramfs-update -u again
• 1178[13:54:28] <ratrace> kallenp: btw, you skipped /boot so I'm assuming you reinstalled the kernel and all that into /boot ?
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• 1195[14:04:07] <kallenp> ratrace: I have installed new "clean" base os and I am trying to migrate from KVM to vmware. boot, dev, sys, proc are (of course) exist in new os
• 1196[14:05:20] <ratrace> kallenp: so why did you exclude udev?
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• 1198[14:06:51] <kallenp> because kvm and vmware ? ….or it is wrong ?
• 1199[14:08:04] <ratrace> it's wrong, you shouldn't exclude udev
• 1200[14:08:33] <ratrace> kvm and vmware still have devices for udev to recognize and manage
• 1201[14:08:58] <ratrace> in fact, you shouldn't exclude anything except use -x to skip mountpoints like /sys /proc and /dev
• 1202[14:09:54] <kallenp> ratrace: ok, plese, what will be the right and correct command. Can I ask you for full syntax ?
• 1203[14:10:20] <ratrace> so do a full copy like rsync -aAXx (optionally -v) , then adjust fstab, initramfs, network config , and yea check any CUSTOM udev rules you did, if they need altering
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• 1210[14:11:37] <kallenp> ratrace: Well, I'm going to try it
• 1211[14:11:48] <kallenp> ratrace: thanks for your time
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• 1214[14:13:12] <ratrace> kallenp: oh yeah, add --delete to remove extraneous files. rather copy as is and then update/install packages, than copy atop of previous installation
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• 1295[15:13:43] <Akuw> what is the diference between "libc6:i386 2.19-18+deb8u7" and "libc6-i386 2.19-18+deb8u10" ?
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• 1301[15:16:10] <BazookaTooth> ,v libc6
• 1302[15:16:11] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u4; buster: 2.28-10; bullseye: 2.29-9; sid: 2.29-9; experimental: 2.30-0experimental1
• 1303[15:16:46] <jelly> Akuw: they are different packages for slightly different purposes. A package listed with :i386 at the end of the name is a native 32 bit ("i386") architecture package.
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• 1305[15:16:49] <Akuw> i mean, is a diference there? because are same version, but checking size installed is diferent
• 1306[15:17:03] <BazookaTooth> they are not the same
• 1307[15:17:17] <ratrace> pure madness
• 1308[15:17:19] <jelly> Akuw: libc6-i386 is a normal 64bit package, it's just named similarly.
• 1309[15:17:34] <BazookaTooth> deb8u7 vs deb8u10
• 1310[15:17:44] <jelly> (and it's a leftover from old Debian releases when Debian did not have multiarch support)
• 1311[15:17:52] <Akuw> my question is because in a system i am installed they request to install that specific version
• 1312[15:18:02] <jelly> Akuw: who is "they"
• 1313[15:18:08] <Akuw> boss
• 1314[15:18:18] <Akuw> othe PC has same versions
• 1315[15:18:33] <Akuw> libc6:i386 2.19-18+deb8u7
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• 1317[15:18:50] <jelly> dpkg and apt will force you to install libc6* with matching versions.
• 1318[15:18:50] <dpkg> jelly: have you tried replaced-url
• 1319[15:18:50] <Akuw> so, my question is both packages are diferent right?
• 1320[15:19:02] <jelly> because they're built from the same source.
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• 1323[15:19:36] <jelly> also: libc-bin, locales
• 1324[15:19:55] <Akuw> but can i find "libc6:i386 2.19-18+deb8u7" ? because i found this replaced-url
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• 1326[15:20:12] <Akuw> but not "deb8u7"
• 1327[15:20:46] <jelly> Akuw: it's an older version with known bugs. Unless you have a valid technical reason, you should use the latest available version.
• 1328[15:21:21] <Akuw> jelly: that is my point, because the special software use specific versions
• 1329[15:21:54] <Akuw> then i need "libc6:i386 2.19-18+deb8u7"
• 1330[15:22:05] <jelly> Akuw: tha's honestly probably bullshit. Still, you can find older, known buggy versions on snapshot.debian.org
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• 1345[15:33:02] <Bushmaster> hi, I am having some problem with MINIDLNA server, Its setup well with my rasp Pi Kodi, in the movie folder I added some more movies and now its not updating the list
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• 1347[15:34:00] <Akuw> i just download "libc6-amd64_2.19-18_i386.deb"
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• 1349[15:34:29] <Akuw> but using dpkg -I libc6-amd64_2.19-18_i386.deb there is no infor about +deb8u7
• 1350[15:34:39] <Bushmaster> Akuw, are you talking to me
• 1351[15:34:39] <Akuw> that specific
• 1352[15:34:52] <Akuw> who ever can help
• 1353[15:35:14] <Bushmaster> what i meant that advice is for me?
• 1354[15:35:21] <Akuw> no
• 1355[15:36:26] <jelly> Akuw: package libc6-amd64_*_i386.deb is not the same as package libc6_2.19-18_i386.deb is not the same as libc6-i386_2.19-18_amd64.deb
• 1356[15:36:48] <Akuw> ok
• 1357[15:37:10] <jelly> Akuw: be careful about the name of the package, about the version, about the architecture.
• 1358[15:37:16] <Akuw> i think i found the package. Search specific versions are very time consuming
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• 1360[15:37:36] <Bushmaster> hi, I am having some problem with MINIDLNA server, Its setup well with my rasp Pi Kodi, in the movie folder I added some more movies and now its not updating the list
• 1361[15:37:47] <Akuw> jelly: yes, i must because else the softwares can work not as expected
• 1362[15:38:01] <Akuw> the good is i am learning a lot about packages
• 1363[15:38:03] <jelly> Akuw: you _will_ need all the packages built from glibc source with the same version, not just libc6_*_i386.deb
• 1364[15:38:43] <jelly> Akuw: and your software should be tested and verified to work with _latest_ packages for jessie, not some random snapshot.
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• 1367[15:39:31] <Akuw> the best is they provide tne packages, because they know where the packages used are
• 1368[15:39:43] <Akuw> else, its a very dificult task
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• 1371[15:40:06] <Akuw> because i can suppouse a package can be used, but i am not sure
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• 1409[15:59:36] <kallenp> ratrace: thanks man. Everything is now working correctly. Problem was in excluded /lib/udev. Thanks.
• 1410[16:00:12] <ratrace> kallenp: yw
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• 1418[16:03:18] <b1ack0p> hi there
• 1419[16:03:34] <b1ack0p> how can i use google drive in debian?
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• 1421[16:04:33] <JustASlacker> replaced-url
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• 1424[16:05:32] <b1ack0p> which one is better?
• 1425[16:05:35] <JustASlacker> yes
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• 1445[16:11:10] <darsie> I got a new(er) nvidia card. I guess I better install the newer drivers before I install it, right?
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• 1447[16:12:22] <darsie> someone say yes ;)
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• 1450[16:14:09] <annadane> it depends on whether you even need newer drivers in the first place
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• 1455[16:14:38] <darsie> nvidia GTX 750TI
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• 1457[16:15:02] <darsie> hmm, I'll have a look ...
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• 1463[16:15:33] <BazookaTooth> 750 is the newer ones
• 1464[16:15:47] <darsie> So, new driver first.
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• 1471[16:16:25] <annadane> it also depends what you're using now
• 1472[16:16:31] * darsie dives in the debian nvidia way again.
• 1473[16:16:37] <annadane> the "newest" supported cards is the nvidia-driver package
• 1474[16:16:43] <darsie> older ones. quadro fx 1800
• 1475[16:16:44] <annadane> nvidia-detect tells you which one you need
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• 1477[16:17:00] <darsie> Only once the card is installed.
• 1478[16:17:07] <BazookaTooth> yes there is a difference with the kernels too, tho that is not exactly a debian thing
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• 1486[16:19:12] <BazookaTooth> 600/650 is when the drivers shift between old/new last i checked
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• 1488[16:20:32] <BazookaTooth> if you are using a standard debian kernel, then ignore the other comment
• 1489[16:20:43] <darsie> k
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• 1492[16:20:55] <BazookaTooth> the newer drivers should be fine
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• 1500[16:24:20] <darsie> replaced-url
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• 1503[16:25:22] <darsie> Do I just install like nvidia-driver ?
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• 1506[16:27:18] <darsie> Would that conflict with the current drivers I installed?
• 1507[16:27:22] <darsie> the old ones
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• 1512[16:30:09] <darsie> gir1.2-webkit2-4.0 I always read that as girl...
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• 1517[16:31:48] <BazookaTooth> not sure how debian handles that.. i know nvidia from the arch side of things
• 1518[16:32:02] <BazookaTooth> ,v nvidia-driver
• 1519[16:32:03] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 390.116-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 418.74-1; buster-backports/non-free: 430.64-4~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 430.64-5; sid/non-free: 430.64-5; experimental/non-free: 440.44-1
• 1520[16:32:24] <darsie> Well, I'll try it. I guess I'll recover if I drop back to the console, lynx and irssi.
• 1521[16:32:42] <BazookaTooth> remove it and replace with that newer 4*
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• 1526[16:33:19] <darsie> Can I do that while using my old card?
• 1527[16:33:28] <BazookaTooth> what model?
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• 1529[16:33:37] <darsie> quadro fx 1800
• 1530[16:33:41] <BazookaTooth> ack
• 1531[16:33:51] <darsie> ok
• 1532[16:33:56] <BazookaTooth> don't think so
• 1533[16:34:00] <darsie> oh
• 1534[16:34:33] <darsie> so ... shut down, swap cards, remove/install from console. or so.
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• 1536[16:34:55] * darsie does aptitude full-upgrade first.
• 1537[16:35:50] <darsie> Well, I'll try while using the old card. if it crashes, I'll shutdown :).
• 1538[16:35:54] <BazookaTooth> yes
• 1539[16:35:58] <BazookaTooth> NO
• 1540[16:36:01] <BazookaTooth> swpa the cards
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• 1543[16:36:13] <annadane> i'm looking forward to someday buying amd so i can stop worrying about "what nvidia supports"
• 1544[16:36:15] <darsie> hmm, ok.
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• 1546[16:37:10] <darsie> Long ago something made me prefer nvidia over amd. Not sure if that still applies.
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• 1551[16:38:35] <BazookaTooth> yeah well well 3dfx and ati diamond used to be a thing too
• 1552[16:38:49] <darsie> BazookaTooth: What could go wrong if I swap drivers while using the old card?
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• 1558[16:39:47] <BazookaTooth> you waste your time and come back to ask why the new driver isn't working and have to swap cards anyway?
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• 1563[16:41:47] <embden> hello, is there a smack security policy for debian?
• 1564[16:42:12] <darsie> You mean it could make the new driver not work with the new card? Maybe crash the system while installing it? Or me complaining that the old card doesn't work with the new drivers?
• 1565[16:42:20] <annadane> "smack" security policy?
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• 1567[16:42:32] <BazookaTooth> the last one
• 1568[16:42:45] <embden> annadane: yes, like there is one for selinux, or for apparmor
• 1569[16:43:08] <darsie> Yeah, no, I'd install the new driver while having a working xorg, then shutdown and swap the cards.
• 1570[16:43:51] <quadrathoch2> darsie, I would rather remove the old, use nomodeset, and then with the new card install the new driver
• 1571[16:44:09] <BazookaTooth> darsie: why? i'd remove the current driver and swap the card then grab the new driver
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• 1574[16:44:24] <BazookaTooth> quadrathoch2: ditto
• 1575[16:44:42] <darsie> BazookaTooth: In the text console?
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• 1578[16:45:15] <BazookaTooth> yes, you're going to have to anyway unless you want to fight with nouvaeu just to get x back
• 1579[16:46:07] <darsie> k. It's just nice to have a graphical IRC and Web browser, in case I need information.
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• 1582[16:46:28] <BazookaTooth> :) yolo
• 1583[16:46:28] <darsie> This is not user friendly.
• 1584[16:46:37] <darsie> We'll see about that :).
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• 1586[16:47:15] <BazookaTooth> darsie: hang on then
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• 1589[16:48:10] <BazookaTooth> you can use a live usb/disk to chroot back into this one to fix stuff if you absolutely need your gui
• 1590[16:48:23] <BazookaTooth> not that scarey
• 1591[16:48:27] <quadrathoch2> darsie, don't you have a phone *using blizzard talk*
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• 1593[16:49:04] * darsie wonders if blizzard talk is some social medium.
• 1594[16:49:45] <darsie> I also don't have a mechanical Dvorak keyboard on my phone.
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• 1596[16:50:04] <BazookaTooth> some first world problems
• 1597[16:50:06] <quadrathoch2> damn, thought you knew the blizzard announcement where the guy asks the people if they don't have phones (because they were booing to a mobile game)
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• 1599[16:50:53] <darsie> aptitude: Current status: 0 (-163) upgradable.
• 1600[16:51:11] <darsie> cryptic numbers
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• 1602[16:51:36] <BazookaTooth> they look even more odd under aptitude sometimes
• 1603[16:51:58] <BazookaTooth> ignore them
• 1604[16:52:20] <BazookaTooth> they usually match apt.. just don't ponder on them
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• 1607[16:53:05] <BazookaTooth> if you use the aptitude ncurses gui, you might track down the differences... eventually
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• 1609[16:54:43] <BazookaTooth> some of the -163 could be held backs or ready for autoremove etc
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• 1612[16:55:25] <darsie> ok. I was worried it's some magic way to report nasty dependency hell.
• 1613[16:55:37] <BazookaTooth> not always
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• 1621[16:58:28] <Akuw> why i cant find openjdk-8-jre here "replaced-url
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• 1623[16:59:33] <darsie> Do I remove all *nvidia-legacy* packages? replaced-url
• 1624[16:59:45] <BazookaTooth> i would
• 1625[17:00:29] <darsie> xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-340xx
• 1626[17:00:33] <BazookaTooth> anything nvidia, kill it so the new driver grabs what it needs
• 1627[17:01:09] <darsie> I hope it automatically grabs xorg...
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• 1629[17:02:03] <darsie> I'll play a game first, then hack away at night ...
• 1630[17:02:05] <darsie> bbl.
• 1631[17:02:25] <BazookaTooth> :) good luck
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• 1640[17:05:29] <wwilliam> hello how do i create a ramdisk at boot so if the box reboots the ramdisk is created automatically and i dont have to do it manually?
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• 1642[17:06:17] <LaunchDirector> Hey guys, been trying to restore or browse an FSA archive but can't figure out how to do that over windows; do I need to use cygwin, WSL or virtualbox?
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• 1649[17:08:39] <Akuw> i am looking for openjdk-8-jre 8u121-b13-1~bpo8+1
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• 1651[17:08:52] <Akuw> i cant find it in backport
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• 1676[17:25:39] <nevivurn> Akuw: buster, I assume? You're out of luck, it's not packaged (officially) for buster, so you'll have to look for other options...
• 1677[17:26:31] <nevivurn> I had to use a specific version of java just for a single application, so I just downloaded the binary into /opt and changed the command line args to use that binary instead of /usr/bin/java, might work for you depending on what you're trying to do.
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• 1680[17:28:02] <greycat> changing $PATH may be viable in many cases, too
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• 1691[17:33:59] <jelly> Akuw: again, use snapshot.d.o to install specific old versions of packages
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• 1694[17:34:57] <jelly> ,v openjdk-8-jdk
• 1695[17:34:58] <judd> Package: openjdk-8-jdk on amd64 -- stretch: 8u222-b10-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 8u232-b09-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 8u232-b09-1~deb9u1; sid: 8u242-b04-1
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• 1700[17:38:00] <jelly> Akuw: if you're looking for openjdk-8-jre, look for "openjdk-8-jre" in the binary package search, not "openjdk". replaced-url
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• 1718[17:46:58] <jelly> wwilliam: make an /etc/fstab entry for it?
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• 1723[17:47:56] <quarterback_> How do I prevent debian from going into standby mode? It goes to sleep mode after a hour and I have to press power button to wake it up.
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• 1736[17:52:00] <JordiGH> How can I see which installed packages don't have an apt source?
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• 1745[17:57:09] <buc> ciao
• 1746[17:57:10] <towo`> JordiGH, apt-show-versions | grep 'No available version'
• 1747[17:57:13] <buc> !list
• 1748[17:57:13] <dpkg> buc: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a replaced-url
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• 1751[17:57:59] <jelly> JordiGH: also, aptitude search '~o'
• 1752[17:58:04] <jelly> !obsolete
• 1753[17:58:04] <dpkg> If you remove a repository from your sources.list (e.g. removing <dmm>), then you should check what packages you have installed from the other repository. Synaptic and aptitude have a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" list. Or, "aptitude search ~o". Note this doesn't include packages that exist in the repo at a different version to the one you have installed; see <not available> <list repositories>.
• 1754[17:58:06] <adeel> is there a simple web based system management interface (similar to webmin) that i can install on a debian image to help my junior admins/non-technical folk manage basic system parameters?
• 1755[17:58:15] <JordiGH> Thanks!
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• 1778[18:07:46] <jhutchins_wk> adeel: replaced-url
• 1779[18:08:01] <jhutchins_wk> !webmin
• 1780[18:08:02] <dpkg> Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at replaced-url
• 1781[18:08:22] <adeel> jhutchins_wk: thanks?
• 1782[18:08:36] <jhutchins_wk> adeel: RedHat has apparently drunk the Windows coolaid and is promoting a GUI admin system.
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• 1784[18:08:47] <adeel> jhutchins_wk: uh huh...and?
• 1785[18:09:23] <BazookaTooth> adeel: disaster waiting to happen
• 1786[18:09:27] <jhutchins_wk> The problem with web-based admin systems is that sooner or later they break, and you have to know how to do the work from the console in order to fix them,
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• 1790[18:09:58] <jhutchins_wk> adeel: Webmin specifically maintains configuration information outside the standard configuration files, so it can be especially difficult when it fails.
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• 1792[18:10:43] <BazookaTooth> meaning you end up with 20+ services that all need to be managed by hand again
• 1793[18:10:53] <adeel> jhutchins_wk: was the only thing you read from my original question the word 'webmin'? i'm not looking to use webmin, but something along those lines to simplify the very very basic tasks of configuring IP's and minor other system config files
• 1794[18:11:06] <petn-randall> !free whcp
• 1795[18:11:07] <dpkg> FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. replaced-url
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• 1797[18:11:25] <petn-randall> adeel: You can try one of those above. ^^^
• 1798[18:11:26] <BazookaTooth> more horrible things
• 1799[18:11:34] <adeel> i know all those applications, and i'm not looking for a 'web hosting control panel'
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• 1807[18:21:06] <petn-randall> adeel: Can you then rephrase what you're looking for?
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• 1810[18:22:26] <adeel> petn-randall: seems like what i'm looking for doesn't exist...which isn't a problem. i'll just write a quick webapp for it
• 1811[18:23:28] <zen262176> dpkg so what do you suggest instead of webmin then? any alternitives?
• 1812[18:23:30] <dpkg> zen262176: i don't know
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• 1814[18:24:09] <BazookaTooth> there isn't one
• 1815[18:24:28] <zen262176> there has to be
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• 1818[18:24:40] <BazookaTooth> man pages?
• 1819[18:24:44] <zen262176> dunno
• 1820[18:26:05] <BazookaTooth> all of those clusterbomb interfaces have the same general problems. dpkg is also a channel bot
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• 1822[18:26:38] <jhutchins_wk> zen262176: 1) dpkg is our bot. 2) See the response to "free whcp" at :11
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• 1824[18:27:00] <zen262176> damn! I always thought it was just someone been intelligent with their replies
• 1825[18:27:01] <zen262176> damn bots
• 1826[18:27:04] <jhutchins_wk> zen262176: What we really recommend is that people learn how the system works and how to manage it from the console.
• 1827[18:27:08] <annadane> protip: if the response is instant, it's a bit
• 1828[18:27:21] <annadane> or if it's immediately preceded by someone invoking it with ! or whatever
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• 1830[18:27:24] <zen262176> ha ha
• 1831[18:27:31] <annadane> bot*
• 1832[18:27:35] <greycat> or if it sounds like it came out of a tutorial
• 1833[18:27:49] <annadane> !botsnack
• 1834[18:27:50] <dpkg> annadane: aw, gee
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• 1837[18:29:00] <BazookaTooth> anyway, why are junior admins not familiar with how to manage services without a fancy interface and why are non-technical ilk allowed to also participate in the destruction of your services?
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• 1839[18:30:03] <BazookaTooth> trainwreck on ice
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• 1843[18:30:47] <greycat> Usually the answer involves "they're paying me money for this".
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• 1845[18:31:00] <BazookaTooth> truth hurts
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• 1852[18:34:27] <jelly> zen262176: alternatively, learn how the system works (this step is unchanged) and automate the hell out of "basic configuration tasks", using a tool like ansible or some configuration management system
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• 1855[18:36:04] <jelly> then give non-tech people ability to run specific config recipes on specific sets of machines
• 1856[18:36:24] <at0m> i've used webmin in the beginning. all fun long as it went well. did i know much (ok, still don't, but lots more). stuff hit the fan, and i was totally in the dark. so much trickery, and so hard to find out what it actually did.
• 1857[18:36:46] <BazookaTooth> scripts which have hopefully been scrutinized a bit
• 1858[18:37:36] <at0m> also, who on earth thought it was a good idea to get root rights to a web plugin.
• 1859[18:37:46] <BazookaTooth> :)
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• 1861[18:38:10] <jelly> at0m: webmin got better in the meantime, last time I had to install it not everything ran as root.
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• 1863[18:38:29] <BazookaTooth> Usually the answer involves "they're paying me money for this".
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• 1866[18:39:06] <BazookaTooth> at0m: piggybacking greycat
• 1867[18:39:24] <at0m> jelly: that's good to hear. still, i can't imagine ever going back. unless, indeed, i'd arrive at some place where there's no other options
• 1868[18:40:20] <jelly> a commercial product whose config component ran as a webmin plugin. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
• 1869[18:40:41] <at0m> /etc ftw
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• 1874[18:42:02] <BazookaTooth> or non commercial products that land on dod systems
• 1875[18:42:12] <jelly> at0m: see, RedHat thinks /etc oughf to be read-only and static
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• 1888[18:51:29] <at0m> jelly: then how do they go about config files? /var/lib and co? more layers in order to complicate stuff? /me goes search
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• 1895[18:54:49] <at0m> nm, OT here
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• 1908[18:58:55] <Aebian> that 5.5 kernel is stable af. Running it on my laptop for three days straight without any issues. Even my system freezes are gone. Didn't had to restart a single time
• 1909[18:59:19] <greycat> Ah, that paragraph makes *much* more sense when I see the last line.
• 1910[18:59:31] <greycat> Err, second to last.
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• 1913[19:00:21] <Aebian> probably :P
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• 1915[19:01:12] <quadrathoch2> Aebian, that's still great to hear :) sadly 5.4 is a LTS release, so hopefully they can fix 5.4 enough to get it stable
• 1916[19:01:19] <jhutchins_wk> Jenkins jobs
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• 1920[19:02:59] <greycat> or a new LTS kernel will be pushed out before bullseye's freeze
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• 1946[19:12:33] <mtcdood> is the fundamental difference between "inet_interfaces = localhost" and "inet_interfaces = loopback-only" in Postfix that the first one does a DNS lookup and the second one doesn't?
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• 1950[19:14:13] <mtcdood> I'm trying to decide if there's a security risk in loopback-only in the event a point-to-point link is established, or something else, that uses 127.0.0.2 for example
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• 1958[19:21:41] <jelly> mtcdood: a point-to-point link still isn't the loopback iface, where's the risk?
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• 1964[19:24:01] <wwilliam> how do i extend my root partition using lvm?
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• 1966[19:24:55] <greycat> lvextend, followed by resize2fs, usually
• 1967[19:25:08] <jelly> wwilliam: 1) you need some free space in the lvm VG 2) you need to know which LV it is
• 1968[19:25:48] <wwilliam> is this done while /root is mounted ext4?
• 1969[19:25:52] <jelly> lvextend now has -r as well and can call the appropriate fs-specific resizing tool automagically
• 1970[19:25:55] <greycat> you can grow it while mounted, yes
• 1971[19:26:02] <greycat> jelly: oh, fancy
• 1972[19:26:04] <wwilliam> Thanks.
• 1973[19:26:40] <jelly> greycat: it also existed in wheezy, but would call resize2fs in the wrong way and ruin your fs
• 1974[19:27:11] <wwilliam> so this is my situation /home has 800 something gigs and /root only 30 i want to take 70 from /home and give it to /root
• 1975[19:27:29] <jelly> wwilliam: do you have ANY free space in the VG right now?
• 1976[19:27:38] <wwilliam>
• 1977[19:27:39] <wwilliam> └─sda5 8:5 0 953.6G 0 part
• 1978[19:27:41] <wwilliam> ├─Inspiron--vg-root 254:0 0 23.3G 0 lvm /
• 1979[19:27:46] <jelly> !paste
• 1980[19:27:46] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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• 1982[19:28:07] <jelly> wwilliam: pastebin the output of "vgs" command run as root, if unsure
• 1983[19:28:08] <wwilliam> more than 2 lines? ugghhhh
• 1984[19:28:34] <wwilliam> 23g free
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• 1986[19:28:49] <wwilliam> but can i rezise /home first
• 1987[19:29:03] <greycat> *shrinking* /home will be much, much more difficult
• 1988[19:29:03] <wwilliam> reducing and then give to root?
• 1989[19:29:15] <jelly> wwilliam: only extending an ext4 can be done online. shrinking is an offline process
• 1990[19:29:18] <greycat> file systems are meant to grow only
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• 1992[19:29:46] <jelly> at least with ext4 you _can_ shrink without backup/reformat/restore
• 1993[19:29:55] <jelly> xfs only has growing.
• 1994[19:29:59] <greycat> The normal way one uses LVM is to install with reasonably sized file systems, but leave a bunch of the space unused. Then space can be allocated to new file systems, or used to increase the size of the original file systems, as needed.
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• 1997[19:30:19] <jelly> debian-installer leads people to allocate ALL THE SPACE, sadly
• 1998[19:30:29] <wwilliam> I messed up then on installation i allocated almost all the space.
• 1999[19:30:32] <greycat> d-i is a silly rabbit
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• 2001[19:31:34] <jelly> wwilliam: to shrink /home, you'd need to umount the fs, fsck -f the device, resize2fs to a desired size, and then lvresize to the exact same size
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• 2003[19:32:00] <greycat> For shrinking /home, you will probably need to walk up to the machine, boot in single user mode, unmount /home, reduce the file system size, reduce the logical volume size, then reboot again.
• 2004[19:32:01] <wwilliam> ok this is a new installation i can probebly play with that
• 2005[19:32:18] <greycat> or what jelly said
• 2006[19:32:23] <wwilliam> ok this is an old laptop
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• 2008[19:32:28] <jelly> if it's a new installation and you're in a hurty, you might as well reinstall
• 2009[19:32:44] <jelly> shrinking can be really, really slow if there's actual data on the fs
• 2010[19:32:46] <wwilliam> I will do that will reboot in single umount /home
• 2011[19:33:08] <wwilliam> well i wanted to see how it goes....
• 2012[19:33:32] <jelly> I measured once shrinking a fs was literally 4 times slower than it'd take to copy all the data twice.
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• 2014[19:34:02] <jelly> (so backup, reformat, and restore would have been about 4 times faster)
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• 2016[19:34:32] <jelly> if your fs is almost empty it might work fine
• 2017[19:34:50] <wwilliam> lets see
• 2018[19:35:32] <wwilliam> /dev/mapper/Inspiron--vg-home ext4 875G 665M 829G 1% /home
• 2019[19:36:00] <jelly> yeah, that right there is d-i silliness
• 2020[19:36:02] <kale> is network IO also IO wait?
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• 2022[19:36:06] <JordiGH> "Inspiron" :-(
• 2023[19:36:14] <cstls> hi, i'm planning on upgrading to an ssd on an old thinkpad and moving my setup over. is it best to just copy /home and use apt-clone to bring evreything over? or is there a simple way to clone the entire volume?
• 2024[19:36:15] <JordiGH> Is picking host names a dead art?
• 2025[19:36:25] <JordiGH> At least call it "Mr Laptop" or something.
• 2026[19:36:33] <wwilliam> ha ha
• 2027[19:36:43] <wwilliam> I have another laptop
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• 2029[19:36:47] <digdilem> JordiGH, pet vs cattle analogy. hostnames are old fashioned now
• 2030[19:37:02] <jelly> wwilliam: see those 665M? It's easier to copy all the files someplace, umount and lvremove the current LV, create a new one with same name, create a new ext4 with same UUID, mount -a and put files back
• 2031[19:37:09] <JordiGH> What kind of life do you live where you can just get new laptops whenever you feel like it?
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• 2033[19:37:32] <JordiGH> My last laptop lasted me 11 years and I expect the current one to go at least that far.
• 2034[19:37:40] <BazookaTooth> first world problems again
• 2035[19:37:46] <jelly> JordiGH: picking volume group names without dashes is also something d-i fails at
• 2036[19:37:49] <wwilliam> my desktop is 15 years old
• 2037[19:38:00] <cstls> JordiGH, this one i'm on almost a decade old and still light and very fast
• 2038[19:38:14] <jelly> my OS VG is usually just "vg" or "vg0" or sometimes "system"
• 2039[19:38:15] <cstls> t430s
• 2040[19:38:37] <jelly> cstls: that can't be a decade, my T420s is like 6-7 years tops
• 2041[19:39:06] <digdilem> JordiGH, i look after about 300 servers, ~100 desktops and about 50 laptops. I ran out of useful names some years ago
• 2042[19:39:17] <cstls> release date june 2012. that's almost a decade
• 2043[19:39:20] <JordiGH> digdilem: And how many laptops do you own?
• 2044[19:39:24] <kale> digdilem: consider using numbers .-)
• 2045[19:39:24] <JordiGH> At least give those a hostname.
• 2046[19:39:41] <BazookaTooth> did you name it 'laptop' or 'deathbringer'?
• 2047[19:40:03] <cstls> jelly, are you still on a 420s?
• 2048[19:40:10] <digdilem> they all have hostnames, they're just dpt-loc-purpose05.domain
• 2049[19:40:13] <jelly> cstls: yes
• 2050[19:40:39] <cstls> yeah, i love this one, even with the complaints on the screen.
• 2051[19:40:40] <JordiGH> digdilem: Think of the electronic waste, my man. Greta would not be happy!
• 2052[19:40:46] <wwilliam> Q6600 4GB of ram
• 2053[19:40:47] <mtcdood> jelly, how is loopback defined? just 127.0.0.1 and ::1?
• 2054[19:40:56] <digdilem> heh. the servers are nearly all virtual. greta would approve
• 2055[19:41:00] <cstls> don't think i have the time to devote to trying to upgrade it
• 2056[19:41:17] <jelly> mtcdood: FIIK, did not look at the code but it seems that way
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• 2058[19:41:21] <mtcdood> ok
• 2059[19:41:22] <cstls> but am looking to get a hard drive caddy and move things over to ssd
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• 2061[19:41:40] <mtcdood> just wanted to make sure it wasn't know that it was 127.0.0.0/8
• 2062[19:41:45] <digdilem> JordiGH, most commercial places will probably be further along the cattle part nowadays; replaced-url
• 2063[19:41:48] <mtcdood> I'm sure it's not
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• 2065[19:41:54] <jelly> mtcdood: I mean you could assign a crazy address to lo iface, and then it might listen on that too?
• 2066[19:42:05] <JordiGH> digdilem: Oh, I thought you meant you also bought and threw out laptops every day.
• 2067[19:42:08] <mtcdood> good question
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• 2069[19:42:46] <digdilem> JordiGH, actually, throwing out laptops is a bit of an issue. We tend to hoard them because it's relatively labour intensive to remove the hdd's for shredding
• 2070[19:42:47] <jelly> mtcdood: Trying 127.12.7.0... Connected to 127.12.7.0. # still loopback device
• 2071[19:43:01] <mtcdood> gotcha
• 2072[19:43:21] <mtcdood> so in some situation it could technically be a security issue, not in my specific circumstance but good to keep in mind
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• 2074[19:43:54] <jelly> I don't really see it. loopback is still unrouteable whatever ip you put on it
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• 2076[19:45:35] <greycat> "Let's allocate an entire Class A /8 block for people to talk to themselves in 2^24 different ways."
• 2077[19:45:48] <mtcdood> if I assign 10.0.0.1 and 127.0.1.1 to an interface on one side of a point-to-point link and 10.0.0.2/127.0.2.1 on the other side, and create a link between 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.2
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• 2079[19:46:11] <mtcdood> couldn't I theoretically connect to 127.0.1.1 on machine A and reach 127.0.2.1 on machine B?
• 2080[19:46:12] <jelly> greycat: 2^(24+16) really :-)
• 2081[19:46:24] <mtcdood> not really sure
• 2082[19:46:50] <jelly> linux kernel will shortcut 127/8 to lo iface
• 2083[19:46:57] <mtcdood> ah cool
• 2084[19:47:12] <mtcdood> trying to remember where I saw that config used
• 2085[19:47:15] <jelly> dunno what other OSes would do if you tried to assign something like that
• 2086[19:47:18] <mtcdood> some router system I think
• 2087[19:47:23] <mtcdood> probably only valid there
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• 2090[19:48:24] <mtcdood> ah you can do it in Cisco routers for peering
• 2091[19:48:49] <jelly> still, those extra addresses for lo are useful if you can't be bothered to set up proper networking for your chroots, er, containers
• 2092[19:48:55] <mtcdood> lol
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• 2094[19:49:47] <jelly> tcp 0 0 127.0.0.80:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2070/apache2
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• 2097[19:50:20] <mtcdood> are low port numbers restricted under lo?
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• 2100[19:50:50] <jelly> yes
• 2101[19:50:54] <jelly> no difference
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• 2104[19:51:55] <mtcdood> gotcha
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• 2106[19:53:19] <mtcdood> if you have an address in /etc/hosts for localhost that doesn't exist, Postfix will fail to start
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• 2111[19:53:44] <mtcdood> so that answers the second question of how Postfix defines "localhost", it's a DNS lookup (or at least an /etc/hosts lookup)
• 2112[19:54:40] <jelly> still you're talking about postfix. I bet if "localhost" had an MX record it'd use that
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• 2114[19:55:20] <mtcdood> lol
• 2115[19:55:39] <mtcdood> would rather use a smaller mailer, but I couldn't figure out an issue with nullmailer
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• 2117[19:56:03] <jelly> I find "dma" nice.
• 2118[19:56:03] <mtcdood> my mail provider will not relay, for example, for root@mydomain.tld because root is not in my provider's configuration.
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• 2120[19:56:23] <mtcdood> and nullmailer isn't quite feature rich enough to rewrite "From: "
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• 2122[19:57:20] <jelly> use a valid address for _envelope_ from; if your provider also checks header From: then set that in the apps that send mail.
• 2123[19:57:57] <mtcdood> well I just wanted it for Cron, which I can do the header I think but I don't know about the envelope
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• 2125[19:58:04] <mtcdood> I'd have to revisit what MAILFROM does
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• 2134[20:04:51] <wwilliam> ok i tar.gz /home now i will boot in single mode...
• 2135[20:05:07] <mtcdood> yeah nullmailer won't respect the system configured mailname
• 2136[20:05:16] <mtcdood> either its configuration or Debian's
• 2137[20:05:30] <mtcdood> it just looks up the system's hostname which won't work for non-open relays
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• 2140[20:10:25] <jelly> I'm also told msmtp (/usr/sbin/sendmail is in msmtp-mta) is nice.
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• 2149[20:13:07] <mtcdood> I tried that and couldn't get it to work
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• 2151[20:13:23] <mtcdood> I would like to go back to it because it's supposed to be good
• 2152[20:13:51] <mtcdood> I just haven't messed with it since the first several attempts
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• 2155[20:15:18] <mtcdood> ah I could get it working when mail was manually called, but not for Cron
• 2156[20:15:54] <mtcdood> it was trying to send mail with empty either envelope or header "From"
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• 2159[20:16:38] <afernandez_> ok /home has been umounted
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• 2161[20:16:46] <afernandez_> now lvremove.....
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• 2168[20:19:19] <afernandez_> ok /home has been removed
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• 2171[20:20:27] <afernandez_> lvcreate now....
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• 2174[20:21:50] <afernandez_> i dont get this? create a new ext4 with same UUID
• 2175[20:22:16] <greycat> Don't try to make the same UUID. Just put the NEW UUID into the fstab file.
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• 2177[20:22:57] <greycat> (or use labels, or use the LV name)
• 2178[20:23:55] <afernandez_> lvcreate --name home --size 700G Inspiron-vg
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• 2182[20:24:39] <afernandez_> oh ok i have the UUID from before:
• 2183[20:24:51] <afernandez_> LV UUID 9EHLOo-Vi65-o3GD-IytO-5ZUO-xJTP-Hg1Btq
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• 2185[20:25:40] <afernandez_> I will create now....
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• 2187[20:28:31] <jelly> LV uuid is not important for a fstab entry, just the filesystem uuid.
• 2188[20:29:09] <afernandez_> ughhh
• 2189[20:29:17] <afernandez_> i never got that one
• 2190[20:29:31] <afernandez_> or may be still in the /etc/fstab let me look
• 2191[20:29:45] <jelly> afernandez_: remember you can easily _grow_ a lv and filesystem, but not shrink. No need to have 700G for home LV right away, just make it like 50-100GB and resize when needed
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• 2194[20:30:07] <greycat> I would just use the LV name in fstab. It's a whole lot easier.
• 2195[20:30:16] <jelly> I like labels.
• 2196[20:30:34] <afernandez_> ok fstab dont have UUID's
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• 2198[20:30:41] <afernandez_> only /boot has
• 2199[20:30:44] <afernandez_> UUID
• 2200[20:31:42] <afernandez_> the rest are in the form of /dev/mapper/Inspiron--vg-home /home ext4 defaults 0 2
• 2201[20:31:55] <jelly> that's what the grey cat suggested.
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• 2203[20:32:11] <afernandez_> ok now i will create the ext4 on that new home
• 2204[20:32:25] <afernandez_> oh no let me delete again and just give 100g
• 2205[20:32:33] <afernandez_> brb
• 2206[20:33:08] <afernandez_> ok done 100G now ext4
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• 2208[20:34:39] <greycat> if your fstab has /dev/mapper/Inspiron--vg-home then you should be able to simply "mount /home"
• 2209[20:34:43] <afernandez_> ok formatted
• 2210[20:34:52] <afernandez_> ok greycat
• 2211[20:35:35] <jelly> or even just "mount -a"
• 2212[20:36:06] <jelly> that way you also verify the fstab entry is correct
• 2213[20:36:24] <afernandez_> ok mount -a "worked" no erros
• 2214[20:36:50] <afernandez_> now how do i place back in the new home myhome.tar.gz?
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• 2216[20:36:58] <afernandez_> that i have in /root?
• 2217[20:37:02] <jelly> "df" or "mount" should confirm; "mount -a" works even when it does nothing
• 2218[20:37:08] <afernandez_> yes
• 2219[20:37:18] <afernandez_> i did df /home is mounted
• 2220[20:37:21] <jelly> depends on how you created that tar.gz in the first place
• 2221[20:37:54] <afernandez_> tar -cvpzf myhome.tar.gz /home
• 2222[20:38:01] <greycat> extract the tar archive from the correct point
• 2223[20:38:33] <greycat> you attempted to put absolute pathnames into a tar archive? if it's GNU tar, it will have yelled at you, and autocorrected you to use home/* instead.
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• 2225[20:39:02] <greycat> so your correct extraction point is probably /
• 2226[20:39:29] <afernandez_> yes it did said something about removing /
• 2227[20:39:35] <afernandez_> something like that...
• 2228[20:39:36] <jelly> the correct point would be "/" if that worked, as GNU tar would "remove the leading /"
• 2229[20:39:57] <afernandez_> ok cding to /
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• 2233[20:44:39] <afernandez_> just to clarify something the tar is in /root i have to move it to / and then do the tar -xzvf?
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• 2235[20:44:48] <greycat> No. You do not have to move it.
• 2236[20:44:56] <afernandez_> ok
• 2237[20:45:02] <greycat> cd / && tar xzf /root/mytar.whatever
• 2238[20:45:23] <afernandez_> ok thanks
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• 2240[20:46:18] <SamWhited> Hi all, I've got a major performance regression in a library that I was hoping to convince a maintainer to apply a patch for in sid (the new version of the library about to come out will fix it and their patch applies cleanly to the current version used by sid and buster). Does anyone know where I can find the policy on this? I didn't want to just ping the maintainers and waste their time when I
• 2241[20:46:24] <SamWhited> couldn't find a policy for getting things like this into sid
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• 2243[20:46:40] <afernandez_> ok done, anything else or reboot?
• 2244[20:46:50] <greycat> SamWhited: file a bug report
• 2245[20:47:33] <SamWhited> greycat: that makes sense, will do, thanks! If there's a policy document or something that states this I'd still love to read it for my edification if anyone has a link. I'm trying to learn more about debian packaging.
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• 2250[20:50:42] <wwilliam> ok
• 2251[20:50:53] <wwilliam> I guess all good
• 2252[20:51:16] <annadane> no context whatsoever, but okay
• 2253[20:51:29] <annadane> oh, was here earlier, never mind
• 2254[20:51:29] <wwilliam> /dev/sda5 Inspiron-vg lvm2 a-- <953.63g <811.32g
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• 2258[20:54:10] <Akuw> why after sending some files rsync hang ?
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• 2262[20:55:43] <Akuw> rsync -avzh *.deb root@192.168.10.3:/srv/local-apt-repository/
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• 2266[20:56:47] <wwilliam> lvextend -L100G /dev/Inspiron-vg/root
• 2267[20:56:50] <wwilliam> live?
• 2268[20:56:53] <wwilliam> and then resize2fs?
• 2269[20:57:20] <wwilliam> ?
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• 2271[20:57:52] <wwilliam> ok doing it.
• 2272[20:58:10] <wwilliam> Logical volume Inspiron-vg/root successfully resized
• 2273[20:58:42] <wwilliam> Do I have to do the e2fsck? step?
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• 2275[20:59:01] <greycat> no
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• 2277[20:59:21] <wwilliam> Ok resize2fs now thank you.
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• 2279[21:00:02] <wwilliam> This is before: /dev/mapper/Inspiron--vg-root ext4 23G 7.8G 14G 36% /
• 2280[21:00:07] <wwilliam> resize now...
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• 2282[21:00:50] <wwilliam> execellent!!
• 2283[21:00:54] <wwilliam> /dev/mapper/Inspiron--vg-root ext4 99G 7.8G 87G 9% /
• 2284[21:01:01] <wwilliam> Thank you all.
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• 2286[21:01:18] <wwilliam> I will reboot now just to make sure all good.
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• 2297[21:08:21] <wwilliam> anyone uses Synergy here?
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• 2299[21:09:23] <petn-randall> wwilliam: Ask your support question.
• 2300[21:09:44] <wwilliam> uhh?
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• 2302[21:10:04] <greycat> describe the problem you're having with "synergy", whatever that is
• 2303[21:11:13] <wwilliam> how do i make it available in KDE after boot when i need to input my password after I input my pw starts working...
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• 2309[21:16:11] <petn-randall> wwilliam: If you're talking about "Synergy" by symless your best bet is asking their customer service.
• 2310[21:17:56] <afernandez_> ok Thank you.
• 2311[21:18:16] <afernandez_> how do i know what exactly my gui is ?
• 2312[21:18:30] <afernandez_> like is it kde ? or what exactly?
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• 2314[21:18:48] <greycat> Usually you know because you selected it when you installed Debian, or later.
• 2315[21:19:32] <afernandez_> I dont remember there isnt a command to know exactly like version and all?
• 2316[21:19:42] <Ede|Popede> and then there should be an "about" entry in the menu
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• 2319[21:21:05] <greycat> one of your XDG_* environment variables probably has it too
• 2320[21:21:18] <greycat> env | grep XDG and read
• 2321[21:21:22] <Ede|Popede> doesn't screenfetch include the DE?
• 2322[21:21:28] <afernandez_> ok thanks
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• 2324[21:21:48] <nyrex> boz
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• 2327[21:22:15] <f8e3> if package on offical repo but later version eg 2.3 instead 2.5 what to install: apt install or add the latest cross-distrib appimage
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• 2343[21:34:00] <jhutchins_wk> Any recommendations re keepass2 vs keepassx vs keepassxc?
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• 2346[21:35:35] <spacebug^> I can only say that I use keepass2 at work (windows) and keepassxc here at home (linux). They all work just fine. With keepass2 on linux you neew to use mono which I found some what ugly
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• 2348[21:36:16] <mtcdood> huh
• 2349[21:36:41] <mtcdood> so I've identified that absent any additional configuration both mail, sendmail, and msmtp will send emails using my provider but Cron will not
• 2350[21:36:49] <mtcdood> how can I figure out what Cron is doing differently?
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• 2353[21:38:45] <jhutchins_wk> spacebug^: Thx.
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• 2355[21:39:37] <mtcdood> replaced-url
• 2356[21:39:38] <gugu> tbird enigmail same version is appearing different on 2 identical installs hmm
• 2357[21:39:48] <mtcdood> it's clearly sending a blank envelope from or something similar
• 2358[21:39:53] <mtcdood> and I don't know how to change that
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• 2364[21:44:05] <jsync2> Is it potential to use 2 eth# network cards within a single system?
• 2365[21:44:48] <greycat> Lots of systems have multiple network interfaces, to talk to multiple networks.
• 2366[21:44:57] <greycat> The most obvious case is a firewall.
• 2367[21:45:15] <greycat> (or, even simpler, a router)
• 2368[21:46:29] <jsync2> Like, could I install a network card in a server machine, can I use that to connect to a separate server machine & use the 2nd network plug in the 1st server machine to connect to router?
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• 2370[21:47:38] <greycat> You want an isolated network, with one server entirely on it, and a second server that sits between the isolated network and your regular network? Sure. Yes. That's common.
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• 2375[21:49:31] <jsync2> Just 1 server connects to a router with other desktop machines connected to that router as well. That 1 server as well has a 2nd network card that connects to 2nd server.
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• 2377[21:50:26] <jsync2> The other desktop machines can access processes run out of the 2nd server?
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• 2380[21:50:51] <n_1-c_k> mtcdood, cron to local postfix to remote mail provider works, if you're otherwise stuck, though postfix is considered overkill for that.
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• 2382[21:51:19] <mtcdood> replaced-url
• 2383[21:51:38] <mtcdood> yeah I can get Postfix to work, I just would rather not have it on the system because it's extra stuff to secure
• 2384[21:51:47] <greycat> on the other hand, if you already *know* postfix, but you don't know these other special-purpose mini-MTA things, postfix may be just the right amount of kill, as there's no new crap to learn
• 2385[21:52:04] <mtcdood> my mail provider absolutely insists Cron is sending it an empty From header or envelope From
• 2386[21:52:16] <mtcdood> I don't see that anywhere
• 2387[21:52:22] <jhutchins_wk> jsync2: Yes, that can be done, but there's more to it than just plugging things in.
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• 2391[21:52:45] <mtcdood> wait
• 2392[21:52:56] <mtcdood> line 82 is there a way to change that?
• 2393[21:53:03] <jhutchins_wk> jsync2: Many commercial routers are just a specialized motherboard with multiple ethernet ports. Many run some form of Linux.
• 2394[21:53:05] <mtcdood> I guess maybe that's the issue
• 2395[21:54:05] <jsync2> jhutchins_wk, is there a setup tutorial reference for that sort of system setup you're aware of?
• 2396[21:54:24] <mtcdood> I'm aware of lots
• 2397[21:54:34] <mtcdood> are you wanting a system that does nothing but act as a firewall?
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• 2399[21:55:33] <jhutchins_wk> jsync2: replaced-url
• 2400[21:56:03] <jsync2> mtcdood, it's just a local network. I thought to keep a wifi port in my router open via connecting the 2nd server through the 1st server.
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• 2402[21:56:36] <jhutchins_wk> jsync2: That howto isn't exactly what you're trying to do, but you should be able to get there with it.
• 2403[21:57:20] <jsync2> jhutchins_wk, thanks. I'll take a look.
• 2404[21:58:33] <mtcdood> I have MAILFROM in my crontab, Cron is still sending from "Jan 24 14:58:02 deb1020ts cron[1314]: --> From: root (Cron Daemon)"
• 2405[21:58:38] <mtcdood> how can I fix this nonsense?
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• 2407[21:59:24] <mtcdood> don't get how this package is so loved, tbh, when it literally only works with open relays
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• 2412[22:02:07] <tomreyn> sender address rewriting in postfix, or using a nullmailer which can configure / overwrite the FROM address, or using a different cron daemon, such as cronie, which supports MAILFROM.
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• 2414[22:02:32] <mtcdood> msmtp does overwrite the From header
• 2415[22:02:41] <mtcdood> just not for Cron
• 2416[22:02:52] <mtcdood> every way of manually sending an email works fine
• 2417[22:02:54] <tomreyn> or not on the envelope
• 2418[22:02:57] <mtcdood> right
• 2419[22:04:09] <mtcdood> and I have no idea how you just install some other cron daemon
• 2420[22:05:18] <tomreyn> maybe you haven't set mailname to a proper FQDN
• 2421[22:05:44] <jsync2> jhutchins_wk, that seems a tutorial for setting up a server to work as a router machine for other systems connected behind it.
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• 2429[22:12:07] <jsync2> ?
• 2430[22:12:12] <mtcdood> I'm pretty sure msmtp doesn't use mailname, but I've installed that file to try it
• 2431[22:12:41] <mtcdood> jsync2, I would recommend drawing your desired network setup if that tutorial doesn't look like it's what you're trying to accomplish
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• 2433[22:12:55] <mtcdood> mailname had no effect
• 2434[22:13:23] <jsync2> mtcdood, like an image diagram?
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• 2436[22:13:27] <mtcdood> yes
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• 2439[22:15:05] <spacebug^> talking about that, is there an linux equivalent to Visio?
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• 2442[22:18:09] <spacebug^> found edraw. Does not seem to be free software though
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• 2446[22:19:43] <mtcdood> draw.io?
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• 2448[22:19:59] <mtcdood> giving up on msmtp
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• 2451[22:20:20] <mtcdood> not worth hours of work to avoid less hours of work learning to secure a local mail smarthost-only Postfix
• 2452[22:20:42] <somiaj> matplotlib
• 2453[22:20:51] <jhutchins_wk> jsync2: Yes, that's what it's for. You would only need the forwarding part, not the masquerade.
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• 2455[22:22:10] <petn-randall> mtcdood: What is msmtp?
• 2456[22:22:24] <jhutchins_wk> ,info msmtp
• 2457[22:22:26] <judd> Package msmtp (mail, optional) in buster/amd64: light SMTP client with support for server profiles. Version: 1.8.3-1; Size: 133.6k; Installed: 434k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 2459[22:22:33] <petn-randall> Oh, the tool.
• 2460[22:22:33] * spacebug^ found Dia (gnome app)
• 2461[22:22:36] <somiaj> ,v ,i dia
• 2462[22:22:37] <judd> No package named ',i' was found in amd64.
• 2463[22:22:37] <mtcdood> I had hoped it was a replacement for ssmtp
• 2464[22:22:59] <mtcdood> it was for everything except cron
• 2465[22:23:09] <mtcdood> which is about 99% of what I need it for
• 2466[22:23:14] <somiaj> looks like there is dia, inkscape, calligra flow, libreoffice-draw, or lots of other tools out there. matplotlib for the python folk
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• 2468[22:23:24] <petn-randall> mtcdood: I'm using nullmailer, which took like 5 minutes to set up.
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• 2470[22:23:45] <mtcdood> you must be using a mail provider that will let you use whatever From: you want
• 2471[22:23:47] <mtcdood> I'm not
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• 2473[22:24:11] <mtcdood> for example, nullmailer will use mtcdood@debiantestsystem.domain.tld
• 2474[22:24:16] <mtcdood> my provider will refuse to relay that
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• 2477[22:26:16] <jsync2> jhutchins_wk, chapter 6.7?
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• 2479[22:27:06] <petn-randall> mtcdood: Are you authenticating against your mail provider?
• 2480[22:27:20] <petn-randall> If not, I'm surprised they're taking any mail at all.
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• 2485[22:31:02] <mtcdood> yes, I am
• 2486[22:31:28] <mtcdood> they specifically say they're not going to relay for that email address
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• 2489[22:33:43] <jhutchins_wk> jsync2: Ot
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• 2493[22:34:09] <jhutchins_wk> jsync2: It's not like I've memorized it. In the 90's I used that to build SOHO routers and internet dialers.
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• 2496[22:35:21] <mtcdood> "From: <mtcdood@deb1020ts.mtcdood.me> to: <mtcdood@deb1020ts.mtcdood.me>"
• 2497[22:35:26] <mtcdood> it literally ignores its own configuration
• 2498[22:35:50] <mtcdood> /etc/nullmailer/defaultdomain does not contain that host part
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• 2500[22:36:39] <jsync2> Aha.
• 2501[22:36:53] <mtcdood> nor does /etc/adminaddr
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• 2510[22:41:19] <mtcdood> no combination of configuration files actually impacts the host part of the sender or recipient information
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• 2512[22:41:54] <mtcdood> which means not only will emails get rejected for relaying because of From, even if they weren't they would never reach me unless I configured an additional email account for every host that might send me emails using nullmailer
• 2513[22:41:58] <mtcdood> literal trash program
• 2514[22:42:08] <mtcdood> "5 minutes"
• 2515[22:42:52] <mtcdood> maybe if your mail provider lets you send from whatever address you want and wildcard every subdomain to a domain and automatically match the user part to an account at that domain
• 2516[22:43:10] <mtcdood> can't possibly see how it works in any situation
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• 2519[22:46:43] <gugu> so if I want to add a 'launcher' to the xfce4 menu how?
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• 2524[22:50:55] <somiaj> create a .desktop file, put it in .local/share/applications/
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• 2528[22:51:12] <somiaj> make sure you set the variables correctly so it appears in the right spot in the menu
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• 2534[22:56:45] <gugu> somiaj, mkdir .local/share/applications? I have none
• 2535[22:57:30] <greycat> I have a crapton, and I'm not really sure why... I don't even remember ever running wine on this system... maybe they migrated from a previous system's $HOME
• 2536[22:57:45] <greycat> yeah, the wine ones are all dated 2014
• 2537[22:58:14] <jhutchins_wk> gugu: Create one.
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• 2539[22:59:14] <jhutchins_wk> gugu: You can do locate .desktop and find ones that are on the menu already, copy the format of that.
• 2540[22:59:28] <jhutchins_wk> gugu: I think the documentation is at freedesktop.org
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• 2543[23:00:33] <gugu> cd
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• 2546[23:01:17] <gugu> /usr/share/applications/firefox-esr.desktop
• 2547[23:01:26] <gugu> ?
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• 2549[23:03:19] <gugu> ah too tedious thx anyway
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• 2569[23:25:44] <jsync2> Will a 64bit VM install of Debian Buster be able to run 32 bit software?
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• 2613[23:55:09] <petn-randall> jsync2: Depends. The kernel can, but you won't have any user space libraries unless you use foreign-arch.
• 2614[23:55:16] <petn-randall> !foreign arch
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