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• 4[00:04:01] <kale> found my xfce login issue. it was really lightdm that waited for entropy. so installing haveged solved the issue
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• 9[00:10:01] <sponix2ipfw> kale: Interesting
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• 13[00:11:16] <J0P3YE> I'm trying to play a DVD and I keep getting a GStreamer backend error. What do I need to do to get DVD playback in Debian 10?
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• 15[00:11:30] <kale> J0P3YE: mplayer dvd://
• 16[00:12:26] <J0P3YE> kale: ?
• 17[00:12:50] <kale> J0P3YE: i always use mplayer to play my media, it has never failed me.
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• 19[00:13:14] <sponix2ipfw> J0P3YE: sudo apt install smplayer mpv
• 20[00:14:10] <sponix2ipfw> Then open the DVD device from the SMPlayer menu
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• 23[00:15:00] <dispersed> or install a gstreamer backend ?
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• 25[00:15:30] <sponix2ipfw> kale: I don't know what haveged is or why it would be needed.. But I do recall having a similar issue a while back
• 26[00:15:56] <J0P3YE> dispersed: That's what I was thinking, but I don't know anything more than that. I just installed debian-xfce-nonfree from .org.
• 27[00:15:58] <kale> sponix2ipfw: yes i have had it before too, i think its in a vm i have
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• 29[00:16:36] <kale> J0P3YE: do you know about apt?
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• 31[00:17:35] <J0P3YE> kale: Yes, but for some reason I'm not in sudo list.. and there is no tab-tab auto complete.
• 32[00:17:40] <sponix2ipfw> kale: mine was on my host with Mint also using xfce. Prior to this fresh install
• 33[00:17:47] <HoloIRCUser1> jhutchins, I actually read that I can use rsync & clone the total system from within the functional system.
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• 35[00:18:11] <karlpinc> J0P3YE: You may have trouble upgrading if you install from 3rd party repos.
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• 37[00:18:15] <kale> J0P3YE: could you just do "su -" ?
• 38[00:18:19] <karlpinc> !tell J0P3YE about don't break debian
• 39[00:18:37] <J0P3YE> karlpinc: ?
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• 41[00:19:16] <karlpinc> J0P3YE: You said you installed "from .org".
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• 43[00:19:25] <J0P3YE> debian.org
• 44[00:19:36] <karlpinc> J0P3YE: Well then you're fine. :)
• 45[00:20:25] <sponix2ipfw> kale: I keep forgetting Debian doesn't do sudo right off lol
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• 50[00:21:48] <karlpinc> HoloIRCUser1: There are various ways to backup. Be aware that if you backup from within a running system (without taking precautions) there are some parts of the system (particularly RDMS database servers) that won't be properly backed up. Things can be inconsistent because your backup program sees different parts of the disk at different times, and the disk is constantly being written to.
• 51[00:22:16] <sponix2ipfw> J0P3YE: so in Synaptic package manager just install smplayer and mpv. Problem solved
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• 54[00:22:44] <kale> sponix2ipfw: i believe the way ubuntu introduced the use of sudo this and that for everything really has introduced the command to its users in the wrong way
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• 56[00:24:16] <sponix2ipfw> kale: maybe. But I have been doing Mint support for a long time now. So it is what I am use to
• 57[00:24:56] * karlpinc always just does an "su -" to become root when necessary. YMMV
• 58[00:25:27] <kale> sponix2ipfw: but you type 5 chars extra for every command
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• 62[00:27:53] <J0P3YE> How do I get tab-tab to list packages?
• 63[00:27:57] <sponix2ipfw> kale: well in just that spirit I currently have my Rig set up to never prompt me for a password when doing Admin actions. Think of the typing I've saved in this week alone :)
• 64[00:28:14] <somiaj> J0P3YE: what shell and command are you using?
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• 67[00:29:07] <somiaj> J0P3YE: provided you are using debian defaults, 'apt install fv<tab-tab>' will list all the matches availabie in your current sources.
• 68[00:29:58] <J0P3YE> somiaj: I guess I need to update sources then.
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• 72[00:31:59] <somiaj> J0P3YE: what is the output of apt policy -- use paste.debian.net
• 73[00:34:05] <J0P3YE> somiaj: /plain/1127191
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• 75[00:35:36] <filpAM> Anyone with openmp experience
• 76[00:35:49] <somiaj> J0P3YE: do you use your own custom .profile or .bashrc files?
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• 78[00:36:55] <J0P3YE> This was a clean install -unfortunately I may have also replaced stock bios with grub.
• 79[00:37:22] <enko> bios?
• 80[00:37:29] <enko> boot partition?
• 81[00:37:44] <somiaj> well the default .bashrc provided in /etc/skel enables tab completion, but it is commented out of the system wide /etc/bash.bashrc by default
• 82[00:37:50] <somiaj> J0P3YE: are you using login or interactive shells?
• 83[00:37:59] <J0P3YE> login
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• 86[00:38:29] <somiaj> J0P3YE: run 'source /etc/skel/.bashrc' then see if tab completion works for you
• 87[00:38:53] <J0P3YE> enko: New drive was used to install from live disc. Now it seems like I can't get back to bios outside of gnu-grub.
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• 89[00:39:36] <J0P3YE> somiaj: Sure enough. Thanks.
• 90[00:40:00] <somiaj> J0P3YE: so for some reason due to your login shells and your .profile and/or .bashrc in your $HOME, it isn't being enabled.
• 91[00:40:31] <somiaj> you can grab the code you need from /etc/skel/.bashrc, you could uncomment from /etc/bash.bashrc (for system wide), and you need to make sure you .bashrc is being sourced from .profile or add the code to .profile
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• 104[00:48:01] <efesr> Hola
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• 127[01:02:38] <J0P3YE> karlpinc: I just now found the msg (!tell); makeing a go at the article now. Thanks.
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• 157[01:25:05] <gvth> test
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• 160[01:26:19] <dvs> !test
• 161[01:26:19] <dpkg> Test failed.
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• 165[01:28:09] <r1nt3c> lol
• 166[01:28:24] <gvth> Hi; I am on a ThinkPad X201 with limited connection/interface capabilities (the fastest I think would be a yellow USB-port). How would you recommend to perform backups? I have a 160GB hard disk installed.
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• 171[01:29:28] <dvs> !clonezilla
• 172[01:29:29] <dpkg> Clonezilla Live is a live CD based on Debian, providing disk/partition cloning functionality similar to Symantec Ghost. Basically a front-end to <partimage>, <partclone>, <ntfsclone>, sfdisk and others. replaced-url
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• 175[01:30:05] <r1nt3c> That is my recommendation.replaced-url
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• 177[01:30:07] <gvth> dvs: but this would require me to shut down the system...
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• 179[01:30:39] <gvth> can't I just perform backups on a running system?
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• 182[01:31:30] <dvs> You could try rsync but you would have to do some preparation before restoring the system.
• 183[01:32:14] <gvth> rsync is very slow...
• 184[01:32:44] <gvth> and takes lots of resources
• 185[01:33:40] <abrotman> how often?
• 186[01:34:27] <gvth> I mean is there a better option for me to put backups on than on an external HDD or SSD via USB3?
• 187[01:34:59] <abrotman> wifi?
• 188[01:35:26] <gvth> I am connected to my router via a wired ethernet cable :-)
• 189[01:35:28] <abrotman> 9-pin serial cable?
• 190[01:35:30] <abrotman> :)
• 191[01:35:45] <abrotman> if you don't want to use your network, USB is probably the fastest
• 192[01:36:21] <abrotman> it's going to be slow to transfer .. options are using rsync to limit the amount you need to send over the USB .. or tar it all up and write a single file ..
• 193[01:36:48] <abrotman> there are tons of other options .. but those would probably be the two i'd go between
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• 195[01:37:49] <abrotman> tons of articles on the internets discuss optoins
• 196[01:37:57] <gvth> I am pending between two options: external USB3 HDD or SSD
• 197[01:38:58] <gvth> or I will use an older laptop, install the newest Debian on it and put backups there
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• 207[01:49:26] <HEX0> which debian release can you recommend to test pre 4.x kernels?
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• 210[01:51:27] <tomreyn> any which don't come with 4.x and are still supported
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• 214[01:52:07] <AidanLCB_> -citysim
• 215[01:52:11] <AidanLCB_> how
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• 217[01:53:14] <joepublic> a key is the introduction of cgroups, which I believe jessie doesn't assume existence of but stretch does.
• 218[01:53:33] <HEX0> tomreyn: so jessie?
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• 241[02:09:09] <RadoS> annadane, a while ago you asked me for my sources.list, now I'm at home to provide: replaced-url
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• 253[02:20:02] <J0P3YE> What "vpn plug-in" do I need to add a vpn connection from debian-xfce?
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• 256[02:22:49] <JackFrost> J0P3YE: I'm not sure I understand the question, but fuzzy matching in my head tells me you're asking about network-manager-openvpn-gnome and the like.
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• 371[03:45:53] <karlpinc> J0P3YE: You might want to start with telling is what you're trying to accomplish. As in "why do you think you need a vpn?" There may be better ways.
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• 379[03:49:07] <HoloIRCUser> Hello. I can't find the debian wheezy source sites.
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• 381[03:50:45] <HoloIRCUser> Are the sites still hosting that data?
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• 383[03:52:17] <nyov> HoloIRCUser: they're at replaced-url
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• 386[03:53:04] <nyov> HoloIRCUser: you can just change the domain-name in your sources list
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• 388[03:54:01] <nyov> unless you want a specific version of a specific package, then you're better off at replaced-url
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• 402[04:03:22] <J0P3YE> karlpinc: I'm trying to tunnel through work network (hence vpn).
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• 406[04:04:40] <J0P3YE> ..in and around rather.
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• 419[04:13:26] <karlpinc> J0P3YE: Why not just ssh into the work network? Does the work network provide a VPN connection? If so, what kind?
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• 421[04:14:51] <jsync> Hello. I have been visited of the evil gnome. I've had terrible video problems today. A monitor for a system went out, & then a video card went out on a separate system. I'm blaming evil gnomes.
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• 423[04:15:04] <jsync> I'm looking for the nvidia drivers for wheezy.
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• 425[04:15:57] <jsync> I cited the url within /etc/apt/sources.list, though the url wouldn't resolve, so I couldn't get the drivers & header files I need for the replacement video card.
• 426[04:16:33] <karlpinc> jsync: The proprietary ones or libre ones?
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• 428[04:16:55] <karlpinc> !archive.debian.org
• 429[04:16:55] <dpkg> Debian has archives of no-longer-supported releases at replaced-url
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• 432[04:18:14] <karlpinc> jsync: Try the archives. Don't know what happens if you're trying to get the non-free stuff. Sometimes that's just a wrapper around a download from somewhere else, which may or may not still be there or still support your hardware. Depends on the proprietary company to play nice.
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• 441[04:25:53] <karlpinc> J0P3YE: Or are you trying to get _out_ of the work network?
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• 461[04:36:39] <jsync> karlpinc, I need nvidia drivers. I guess the non-free ones, unless I can find something else that will work. I need them for a server, so I'm not doing heavy graphics with that machine, not actually.
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• 469[04:42:03] <karlpinc> jsync: Well, try it an see what happens.
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• 471[04:42:28] <jsync> I tried. I said, the backports url doesn't resolve, not actually.
• 472[04:42:47] <karlpinc> jsync: You didn't read what I wrote above, try the archives.
• 473[04:43:01] <jsync> Oh. Right. I'll take a look.
• 474[04:43:36] <karlpinc> jsync: If it does not work, then try the free driver. Especially if it's a server then so long as it works you don't care if it is fast.
• 475[04:45:22] <jsync> karlpinc, what's the free driver package for nvidia 7 cards?
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• 477[04:45:53] <jsync> The Debian archives doesn't list wheezy yet, not actually.
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• 480[04:47:56] <nyov> jsync: replaced-url
• 481[04:48:41] <z8z> gnome alternative to vinagre? I mean.... something not as horrible and super bugged as vinagre.
• 482[04:49:30] <jsync> nyov, can I use this with apt?
• 483[04:49:32] <J0P3YE> karlpinc: In, then around.
• 484[04:50:00] <karlpinc> jsync: nouveau
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• 486[04:50:24] <karlpinc> J0P3YE: Well what does the local network admin do to give you privilges to get into the network?
• 487[04:50:25] <nyov> jsync: yes, but not that link specifically. just use the domain like any regular mirror site
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• 492[04:52:41] <karlpinc> z8z: There's the various VNCs, or just tunneling X with ssh. Ssh is usually easiest, but I don't know what the story is with wayland.
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• 494[04:54:46] <J0P3YE> karlpinc: I have it written down, but I'll have to get back to you on that when I have more time.
• 495[04:55:52] <karlpinc> J0P3YE: How you get into the network depends entirely on how you are let into the network. If you're not let in, then you risk your job breaking in. So best to do what the network admin wants.
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• 504[05:02:34] <jsync> It seems I already have the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau package installed, though my system won't use gnome3 with my video card, not actually.
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• 508[05:07:04] <jsync> I did a grep & figured out I need the nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx package.
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• 512[05:08:09] <quarterback> I have a weird problem after I upgraded from debian 9 to debian 10. The login screen still shows debian 9. After logging in, when I start a application like terminal, the system logs out and shows the login screen again. How to fix this?
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• 515[05:08:54] <quarterback> It seems I have to login like this 3 or 4 times to actually login. The command uptime shows 3 users sometimes.
• 516[05:09:25] <jsync> Page suggests that the package is gone. :( replaced-url
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• 518[05:09:42] <dvs> quarterback, what does cat /etc/debian_version says?
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• 521[05:10:05] <quarterback> dvs, 10.2
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• 523[05:11:06] <dvs> quarterback, I'd try to run apt full-upgrade and see what happens
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• 526[05:11:42] <quarterback> dvs, Also doing a improper shutdown in a power off situation causes the same problem until I shutdown the pc with a normal shutdown.
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• 528[05:12:31] <quarterback> dvs, I got a prompt to select some packages of about 888 MB in size. I'm selecting yes.
• 529[05:12:42] <dvs> good
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• 538[05:23:22] <jsync> Are all the Debian Stretch repositories still online & available?
• 539[05:23:32] <fadingdoppler> Yes.
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• 548[05:28:13] <annadane> jsync, stretch is still fully supported until roughly july 2020
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• 550[05:28:26] <annadane> then LTS takes over
• 551[05:28:41] <fadingdoppler> I use Debian 10 buster. I highly advise upgrading if you can.
• 552[05:29:10] <fadingdoppler> Packages are newer. I would like to see firefox-developer-edition in the repository though. Maybe it could happen in Debian 11?
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• 555[05:30:57] <joepublic> so, a newer version has newer packages than an older version?
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• 557[05:31:04] <fadingdoppler> Yes, in most cases.
• 558[05:31:05] <jsync> I'm working with 32bit because I'm in the middle of a big project. I would like to keep using 32 bit actually.
• 559[05:31:17] <fadingdoppler> Can't you port it over?
• 560[05:31:38] <jsync> fadingdoppler, I'm not sure, not actually.
• 561[05:31:40] <fadingdoppler> Once you're done with your project, you should upgrade to amd64.
• 562[05:31:47] <jsync> I've not ported software before, not actually.
• 563[05:31:51] <fadingdoppler> 32-bit apps will still work.
• 564[05:32:14] <fadingdoppler> Debian is multilib, so both architectures will work (x86 and amd64). PowerPC will not, same with RISC and others.
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• 570[05:35:24] <nyov> 32bit isn't always bad. it can even be faster
• 571[05:35:46] <fadingdoppler> ^Citation needed
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• 573[05:36:45] <jsync> It's a project I've been working on for years & years. I just haven't used 64 bit OS yet, not actually.
• 574[05:37:07] <fadingdoppler> Well, you're limited to 4GB of RAM.
• 575[05:37:32] <jsync> I thought to just get all the stable 32 bit files I could & keep using my 32 bit system for a while longer.
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• 578[05:41:15] <nyov> yes you're limited in address space, which may or may not matter. but the instructions are simply half the size. it will depend on the code you're running
• 579[05:42:06] <nyov> fadingdoppler: don't have a good cite. I can give you this: replaced-url
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• 585[05:45:44] <annadane> you don't have to use debian packages
• 586[05:45:55] <annadane> just extract the firefox dev edition tarball
• 587[05:46:28] <annadane> but, yeah, the closer you get to oldstable stopping getting fully supported, the more compelling the reasons to update...
• 588[05:48:14] <jsync> So, the Debian 64 bit system identifies itself with "amd64"?
• 589[05:48:56] <annadane> yeo
• 590[05:49:01] <annadane> yep*
• 591[05:49:04] <nyov> on and amd64 platform. which is pretty much all amd+intel cpu's these days
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• 628[06:20:12] <quarterback> It seems to have worked after doing full-upgrade
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• 638[06:22:59] <uxfi> test
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• 655[06:43:26] <nightqueen> how reliable are UUID for mapped devices?
• 656[06:43:46] <jsync> I have an old school Xserver error: Screens found, though none of them have a usable configuration.
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• 658[06:44:16] <quadrathoch2> nightqueen, they are very reliable, and nowadays the preferred way
• 659[06:45:20] <jm_> jsync: there must be some other error resulting in that one
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• 662[06:47:01] <nightqueen> quadrathoch2: where are they stored? In the partition table? Or somewhere in the partition itself? does the ext4 header have a field for an UUID, or what's going on?
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• 664[06:47:29] <jm_> in some cases FS stores it, in other cases intermediate block layer stores it
• 665[06:47:59] <nightqueen> intermediate block layers? where?
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• 667[06:48:45] <jm_> say LUKS
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• 670[06:50:14] <nightqueen> ooooooo
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• 673[06:51:25] <nightqueen> thanks!
• 674[06:51:42] <nightqueen> missing the school bus, gotta grab my lunch box and run
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• 717[07:17:39] <cq1> Hey folks. I just updated to Debian 10 and now the trackpad disables while typing, which I hate. Does anyone know how to change this behavior?
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• 719[07:17:59] <jsync> I installed screen & ssh. I might not use video on that machine, not actually. Thinking about my rudimentary skill level with the terminal & my years of time spent on my machines, I'm thinking to work around the desktop gui.
• 720[07:18:19] <jm_> jsync: maybe put your X logfile to the paste site so we can take a look
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• 725[07:20:44] <jsync> jm_, I would, though I'm not sure how I would export it, not actually.
• 726[07:21:09] <jsync> Oh. Yeah, I could mount a pen drive if I were able to out of the terminal commands.
• 727[07:21:28] <jm_> jsync: no networking on that system?
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• 730[07:21:50] <jsync> jm_, It's local network.
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• 733[07:22:13] <cq1> quadrathoch2: I'm running Mate and i3
• 734[07:22:34] <cq1> Er... sorry, just i3. The Mate thing is irrelevant.
• 735[07:22:43] <quadrathoch2> cq1, sorry can't help you as I don't use those
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• 737[07:23:50] <jm_> jsync: ok, mounting an USB drive should be trivial, plug it in, check which device it is, lsblk or blkid or cat /proc/partitions, mkdir /tmp/u && mount /dev/sdx1 /tmp/u
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• 740[07:27:52] <cq1> Okay, I got it. "xinput set-prop 16 315 0" worked.
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• 768[07:45:57] <jsync> mount /dev/sda gets "Can't find sda in fstab or mtab".
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• 770[07:46:07] <jsync> See, I need practice with this.
• 771[07:46:08] <jsync> :)
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• 775[07:47:31] <jm_> sda? unusual for your USB drive to be sda, but anyway, unlikely you have FS directly on the drive, you most likely have a partition on it so /dev/sdX1 and specify mount point, see my commands above
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• 784[07:52:31] <bigterd> running buster, 64bit, clamscan -v just hangs. been a few days. is that normal?
• 785[07:52:47] <bigterd> it's been scanning a text file the past week as well. is there a bug?
• 786[07:52:55] <bigterd> ha, pun intended.
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• 788[07:54:11] <jm_> have you checked its CPU time? or its list of open files?
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• 790[07:55:42] <bigterd> it's only attached to the one file i'm scanning, a few kilobytes, and it's destroying one cpu core, 100%
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• 793[07:56:46] <jsync> jm_, those instructions seem vague to me.
• 794[07:57:12] <jsync> I need to read. I'll post about the xorg.conf file tomorrow.
• 795[07:57:18] <jm_> doesn't sound right to me, but then again, I never used clamav - I would check its stacktrace
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• 797[07:57:24] <jm_> jsync: which ones specifically?
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• 799[07:58:55] <bigterd> it's been a while since i've used clamav myself, probably back in the sarge days, but no, something is weird.
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• 801[08:00:08] <jsync> Is there a way to emulate a screen for a server at startup & all the way through to a ssh connection out of a terminal within a separate machine?
• 802[08:00:42] <jsync> i.e. Is there a means of using a server without a video output?
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• 804[08:01:32] <jm_> jsync: for video card output no, but there are things like serial console or net console
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• 806[08:02:12] <jm_> (well at least not without additional hardware for the former)
• 807[08:02:44] <jsync> I mean, via ssh I could use the server without the video, though at startup I need to login, etc.
• 808[08:03:09] <quadrathoch2> jsync, it depends at which stage you want to login
• 809[08:03:27] <quadrathoch2> sth like fde doesn't work through ssh as ssh isn't up before that
• 810[08:04:16] <jsync> Yeah. I'd like to get away without the video output, if potential. That's what I mean. Controlling the server remotely through a separate machine terminal.
• 811[08:04:26] <jm_> you don't need to login at startup for it to be operational, you can just ssh to it remotely
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• 814[08:06:06] <jm_> if you want GUI there are means for that too, i.e. VNC and so on
• 815[08:06:09] <quadrathoch2> jsync, it really depends on what managing means to you. If you want to go to the bios/uefi, it doesn't work without extra hardware. If you want to login after network (and ssh) are up, you just need to configure ssh
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• 818[08:09:48] <jsync> Well, I'm putting off installing & setting up a second server because I need a simple kvm switch & cheap video card for the video & mouse to work. I wish I could work around that.
• 819[08:10:20] <jm_> just get used to managing it via CLI and you'll never look back
• 820[08:10:40] <jm_> so you'll only need keybaord and video for initial install
• 821[08:10:43] <jsync> What would be uber cool would be an app for my phone or something.
• 822[08:10:59] <jsync> CLI?
• 823[08:11:04] <jm_> command line
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• 826[08:12:11] <jsync> Yeah. That's why I eased up about the xorg.conf file. I have basic knowledge with the terminal, though it's really novice compared to my experience within the gui. I need to hone my skills.
• 827[08:12:45] <jsync> It's like when a guy has been playing guitar for 10 years & realizes he can just play basic chords & power chords. I need to hone my skills.
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• 829[08:13:47] <hello23786a> hello every...one
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• 832[08:18:16] <jsync> Is there a usb video output adapter that could be used with a cell phone or tablet?
• 833[08:19:08] <jsync> Then I could just plugin my tablet at startup; Get the machines logged in; & ssh my world processes up. :D
• 834[08:19:22] <pandakekok9> Hi, is anyone experiencing crashes in Firefox 72.0.2-2 in sid?
• 835[08:19:24] <jm_> so a phone would work as a monitor? don't think so, the other way works AFAIK
• 836[08:19:32] <pandakekok9> I can't open my firefox
• 837[08:19:45] <pandakekok9> Idk if this issue is debian-specific or upstream
• 838[08:19:59] <at0m> pandakekok9: open it from a console/terminal, and see the output there
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• 840[08:20:14] <jm_> ,versions firefox
• 841[08:20:15] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- sid: 72.0.2-1
• 842[08:20:23] <jm_> where did you get -2 from?
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• 844[08:20:37] <at0m> ,v firefox-esr
• 845[08:20:38] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch: 60.7.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 68.2.0esr-1~deb10u1; jessie-security: 68.4.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 68.4.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster-proposed-updates: 68.4.1esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 68.4.1esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 68.4.1esr-1;
• 846[08:20:39] <judd> sid: 68.4.2esr-1
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• 848[08:21:02] <at0m> pandakekok9: also, firefox --safe-mode
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• 850[08:21:38] <pandakekok9> at0m: safe mode doesn't work
• 851[08:21:46] <at0m> pandakekok9: but that firefox isn't debian also, for sid, go to OFTC network and #debian-next
• 852[08:21:49] <jm_> !bts #949647
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• 854[08:22:06] <pandakekok9> ExceptionHandler::GenerateDump cloned child 3319
• 855[08:22:09] <pandakekok9> ExceptionHandler::SendContinueSignalToChild sent continue signal to child
• 856[08:22:11] <pandakekok9> ExceptionHandler::WaitForContinueSignal waiting for continue signal...
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• 858[08:22:20] <at0m> !sid
• 859[08:22:20] <dpkg> from memory, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
• 860[08:22:21] <pandakekok9> at0m: Ok will do
• 861[08:22:26] <jm_> see the above bug report, learn to use BTS if you intend to use sid
• 862[08:22:37] <JackFrost> #949644, #949645 and #949646. :P
• 863[08:23:14] <JackFrost> tl;dr: Downgrade libsqlite.
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• 879[08:29:29] <pandakekok9> JackFrost: Thanks a lot, it worked! :D
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• 895[08:34:18] <Kryo_Genics> sup
• 896[08:34:20] <Kryo_Genics> anyone on here?
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• 899[08:37:08] <jm_> maybe
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• 903[08:38:48] <at0m> dpkg: tell Kryo_Genics about ask
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• 905[08:39:35] <Kryo_Genics> lol
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• 1163[09:12:23] <rdz> hey all. is there an upgrade path for a corosync pacemaker cluster from debian stretch to buster? it seems the two corosync versions refuse to talk to each other
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• 1165[09:13:11] <rdz> i wonder if there is an upgrade path without interruption of the services
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• 1187[09:30:37] <khreshgsye> after my last update my desktop is getting reset at reboot. the desktop wallpaper becomes default and the desktop icons lose theur custiom position . what can it be ?
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• 1191[09:34:55] <Haohmaru> which DE?
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• 1194[09:36:33] <jsync> What server is this channel on? I thought freenode.
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• 1196[09:36:49] <at0m> jsync: that's correct
• 1197[09:36:56] <at0m> though there's another on OFTC
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• 1201[09:37:57] <at0m> !fact sharing
• 1202[09:37:57] <dpkg> I show the same facts on both <freenode> and <OFTC>. If you update a fact on one network, it will show up on the other network.
• 1203[09:38:06] <JackFrost> Most Debian channels are on OFTC, including #debian-next which is for testing/sid.
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• 1205[09:38:14] <Haohmaru> jsync you're in the freenode network, made up of multiple servers
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• 1210[09:39:34] <jsync> I downloaded an app for my tablet. I'm on Freenode #debian. I typed "Hello", & nada.
• 1211[09:40:02] <khreshgsye> Haohmaru: LXDE is my DE
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• 1214[09:41:06] <Haohmaru> khreshgsye are you sure you ran an LXDE session from the login manager? maybe it's akchually openbox or something.. or you logged in as another user
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• 1216[09:41:21] <Haohmaru> jsync which app?
• 1217[09:42:39] <jsync> Haohmaru, "IRC Radio".
• 1218[09:43:05] <Haohmaru> o_O
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• 1220[09:43:31] <Haohmaru> are you just trying to connect to IRC from that tablet?
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• 1305[09:47:34] <jsync> Haohmaru, yes.
• 1306[09:47:44] <Haohmaru> what OS u got there?
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• 1318[09:52:41] <jsync> Haohmaru, it keeps updating. It's a Samsung Galaxy Tab A.
• 1319[09:53:27] <Haohmaru> i'm not familiar with tablets, is it a crapdroid? ;P~
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• 1321[09:54:49] <dynek> Hey! is anyone running lego on buster? do we really have to upgrade to bullseye like now to benefit from version 3.2 (instead of 0.3.1)? Problem is 0.3 doesn't support ACMEv2.
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• 1323[09:55:07] <jm_> dynek: you could try and backport it
• 1324[09:55:18] <jsync> It's an android.
• 1325[09:55:23] <jm_> ,checkbackport lego
• 1326[09:55:40] <judd> Backporting package lego in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12), golang-github-cenkalti-backoff-dev (>= 3.1.1~), golang-github-nrdcg-goinwx-dev, golang-github-ovh-go-ovh-dev, golang-github-vultr-govultr-dev, golang-gopkg-square-go-jose.v2-dev.
• 1327[09:55:48] <jm_> ok maybe not :)
• 1328[09:56:04] <dynek> ;-)
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• 1337[09:58:13] <jsync2> Hello
• 1338[09:58:35] <jsync2> 😁
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• 1341[09:59:53] <Haohmaru> jsync for crapdroid i found just one irc client that didn't suck (IMO) and it was yaiic i think
• 1342[10:00:25] <jsync2> I finally got this app connected.
• 1343[10:03:52] <jsync2> my outside Network machine is with in the other room.
• 1344[10:04:37] <at0m> jsync: /msg nickserv help group, and then we can close this round of general irc support (commonly #freenode) here maybe. for chat, #debian-offtopic, ##chat.
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• 1363[10:21:13] <Aebian> quadrathoch2: seems like my issues with the new kernel are solved. No problems so far and it even seems that my laptop handles heat management better now
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• 1378[10:33:47] <quadrathoch2> Aebian, awesome :)
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• 1383[10:36:12] <jsync2> I have a server with 20gb of RAM. Will a 64 bit install of Debian Stretch allow me to utilize that RAM?
• 1384[10:37:35] <OPK> 64 bit should, if not just creat a swapfile
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• 1388[10:38:00] <jim> jsync2, what cpu you got?
• 1389[10:38:19] <jsync2> Jim, dual Xeons.
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• 1391[10:39:28] <jim> hmm, I don't actually remember what those are
• 1392[10:40:02] <jim> but sounds like you do know :)
• 1393[10:40:02] <OPK> just run # dmidecode |grep -i "Maximum Capacity:" | uniq
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• 1397[10:41:54] <jsync2> dmidecode not found
• 1398[10:42:23] <jim> ,find bin/dmidecode
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• 1400[10:42:29] <judd> Search for bin/dmidecode in buster/amd64: dmidecode: usr/sbin/dmidecode
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• 1402[10:42:56] <jim> you can apt install dmidecode if you want
• 1403[10:44:03] <jsync2> I'm using debian wheezy.
• 1404[10:44:31] <jim> you can also upgrade that pretty easily if you want
• 1405[10:44:44] <jm_> you will be able to use all of that RAM yes, and consider upgrading that system
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• 1411[10:45:41] <jim> !codenames
• 1412[10:45:42] <dpkg> Debian release codenames are buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), sarge (3.1), etch (4.0), lenny (5.0), squeeze (6.0), wheezy (7) jessie (8) stretch (9) buster (10) and sid=Unstable. "lsb_release -sc" (lsb-release package) will display a Debian system's codename. replaced-url
• 1413[10:46:10] <jsync2> output suggests 64gb
• 1414[10:46:22] <jim> so your upgrade path is wheezy (7) jessie (8) stretch (9) buster (10)
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• 1419[10:47:28] <jsync2> I would install Stretch or Buster, though I'm not sure I need to.
• 1420[10:47:29] <jim> one not mentioned there is bullseye (11)
• 1421[10:47:42] <jim> ok
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• 1425[10:48:46] <jim> bullseye is currently testing... it's the next one to be released, when it's ready to be
• 1426[10:49:12] <jsync2> Somebody said earlier that 32 bit systems can just utilize 4gb of RAM.
• 1427[10:49:24] <OPK> thats right
• 1428[10:49:43] <ratrace> that's not right
• 1429[10:49:48] <OPK> 8
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• 1432[10:50:02] <jsync2> Well, this 32 bit Wheezy server gave output of 64gb.
• 1433[10:50:06] <ratrace> PAE kernels can utilize much more, but individual processes can't take more than ~4G
• 1434[10:50:11] <jim> jsync2, if it hasn't happened already, wheezy has been moved off the mirrors, and is available on archive.debian.org
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• 1438[10:51:16] <OPK> hmm didnt know any 32 bit could use more than 4, but we just use to create a decent size swp file which worked fine
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• 1440[10:51:22] <jsync2> jim, I ran into that issue earlier tonight when looking for the nvidia drivers for Wheezy.
• 1441[10:51:25] <ratrace> jsync2: 64G is max that 32-bit kernels can address.
• 1442[10:52:16] <jsync2> My system said 64gb Maximum Capacity.
• 1443[10:52:27] <ratrace> yes.
• 1444[10:52:36] <jsync2> is that hardware wise perhaps?
• 1445[10:52:38] <ratrace> jsync2: you should really upgrade to Buster.
• 1446[10:52:46] <jim> so then you must have updated your sources.list accordingly?
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• 1448[10:52:51] <jm_> yes hardware wise
• 1449[10:53:03] <jsync2> aha jm_
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• 1453[10:53:43] <jsync2> So, it's still limited to the 4 or 8gbs?
• 1454[10:54:42] <quadrathoch2> jsync2, it's limited to 4gigs per process
• 1455[10:55:05] <jsync2> I'll backup my databases & other files & upgrade then.
• 1456[10:55:08] <jm_> just use a 64bit release on such hardware
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• 1458[10:56:04] <Kharec> 'morning
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• 1460[10:57:09] <jsync2> jm_, Yeah. Else I would be wasting my time with this big machine. I have a 2nd server of similar specs as well. I'm procrastinating because of video card, keyboard & mouse hassle.
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• 1462[10:57:20] <quadrathoch2> and nowadays 64bit always runs faster than 32bit, at least when the hw can utilize 64bit
• 1463[10:59:02] <ratrace> I'd say "mostly" rather than "always".
• 1464[10:59:06] <jsync2> Buster is stable?
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• 1466[10:59:48] <quadrathoch2> jsync2, that's the newest stable yes
• 1467[11:00:11] <quadrathoch2> ratrace, who knows probably, as 32bit isn't as tested anymore
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• 1469[11:00:43] <asymptotically> if you don't need the memory, i think x86_32 (not just ix86) is faster
• 1470[11:00:48] <asymptotically> replaced-url
• 1471[11:00:58] <quadrathoch2> asymptotically, which is still something different
• 1472[11:01:23] <quadrathoch2> as it's a 'reimplementation' of the 32bit architecture in 64bit. which was thrown out of the kernel btw
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• 1475[11:01:38] <asymptotically> oh i didn't know that they threw it out :(
• 1476[11:01:57] <quadrathoch2> asymptotically, afair, nobody used it
• 1477[11:03:00] <ratrace> quadrathoch2: it isn't, especially not the kernel. but I'd say "mostly" instead of "always" because not all software can utilize additional cpu registers, and pointer-heay arithmetics can actually have negative effects due to increased pointer size
• 1478[11:03:15] <jim> jsync2, which backup program are you using?
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• 1484[11:04:19] <jsync2> I've mostly done manual backups.
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• 1486[11:05:00] <jsync2> today I used partimage & cloned an old drive to a new drive though.
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• 1488[11:05:14] <quadrathoch2> ratrace, even back then it wasn't that of a big issue replaced-url
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• 1491[11:06:00] <jsync2> I'm not sure if my cloned drive is bootable yet. I have yet to test it.
• 1492[11:06:28] <zphinx> Anyone know a good way of checking failed cifs mounts? working against an isilon cluster here that has round robin enabled, and at there is no way to see against what node ip the cifs mount failed.
• 1493[11:06:48] <ratrace> quadrathoch2: yea, but depends on the workload.
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• 1497[11:07:03] <jim> jsync2, I've been using borg backup (futistance is retile)
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• 1501[11:07:28] <quadrathoch2> ratrace, whatever, if you want stick to 32bit then
• 1502[11:07:34] <at0m> quadrathoch2: lots of ARM is 32bit, for example
• 1503[11:07:51] <jsync2> I like 32 bit
• 1504[11:07:52] <quadrathoch2> at0m, that's a total other topic
• 1505[11:07:56] <ratrace> quadrathoch2: I won't, wouldn't, just saying it's not "always".
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• 1509[11:08:45] <jsync2> Cybernetic developments would have a maximum sufficiency. I like 32 bit.
• 1510[11:09:06] <jim> it's actually pretty good, it has this dedup thing it does, so that when you make subsequent backups of the same dir, it doesn't store unchanged files twice, and that -really- stretches out your backup storage
• 1511[11:09:20] <quadrathoch2> ratrace, well if you show me a relevant program that is used in production which suffice 4 gigs of ram, and is faster...
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• 1513[11:09:45] <ratrace> quadrathoch2: I never made that statement so I don't know why you want _me_ to do that.
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• 1516[11:10:22] <quadrathoch2> ratrace, I was just trying to say, that even if it's faster, there shouldn't be no usecase for running 32bit anymore
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• 1519[11:11:00] <quadrathoch2> especially with the OS running in 32bit mode
• 1520[11:11:18] <ratrace> quadrathoch2: I do agree with you, 32-bit must die.
• 1521[11:11:31] <jsync2> jim, I typically don't make backups. I started reading about it a few days ago & I'm sort of frantically trying to stabilize old systems for functionality. I have big projects within those systems.
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• 1523[11:12:07] <quadrathoch2> ratrace, I wouldn't say die, but put it in the back
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• 1525[11:12:42] <quadrathoch2> as there are multiple reasons (on desktop) why someone would want 32bit. especially games
• 1526[11:12:50] <jsync2> 32bit is safe for Cybernetics. 64bit would compel dumb humans surpassing their already established ineptitudes.
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• 1528[11:13:05] <b1ack0p> hi
• 1529[11:13:19] <jim> hi
• 1530[11:13:28] <ratrace> quadrathoch2: but eventually even that must be gone.
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• 1532[11:13:49] <quadrathoch2> ratrace, so no chance of playing old games anymore?
• 1533[11:13:52] <jim> jsync2, it sounds like you have a use for backing up
• 1534[11:13:53] <han-solo> 2038, for those who use 32-bit
• 1535[11:13:54] <quadrathoch2> or whatever program?
• 1536[11:13:59] <b1ack0p> i dont wanna annoy with my questions but i am having an odd problem
• 1537[11:14:01] <jsync2> retrace, why? How old are you?
• 1538[11:14:08] <ratrace> over 40, why?
• 1539[11:14:25] <jim> b1ack0p, add one, it'll be even!
• 1540[11:14:31] <b1ack0p> ok then
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• 1542[11:14:48] <ratrace> quadrathoch2: can you play 16-bit games now?
• 1543[11:14:48] <jsync2> What about the older guys that have used 32 bit all their lives?
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• 1546[11:15:12] <ratrace> jsync2: y'all are free to maintain 32-bit packaging and kernel and everything else, then :) don't expect others to do that.
• 1547[11:15:17] <jim> seriously, you can ask your question... as usual, add lots of informative details
• 1548[11:15:27] <quadrathoch2> ratrace, depends, as there is still wine, dosbox etc
• 1549[11:15:39] <jsync2> I supposed that most 64 bit protagonists were under age of 30.
• 1550[11:15:42] <b1ack0p> yesterday i realised that caps lock led indicator light doesnt work on command line for old models of thinkpads.. i tested x40 - t42 and x61s which led indicator lights places on lcd bezel
• 1551[11:15:49] <mattia> morning all. looking for some help on debian cloud images
• 1552[11:15:59] <mattia> more specifically the openstack one
• 1553[11:16:16] <b1ack0p> capslock key is working but just led light indicator doesnt work only in tty/console
• 1554[11:16:18] <quadrathoch2> just ask away mattia, if somebody can help you they will write
• 1555[11:16:18] <mattia> having an issue with cloud-init
• 1556[11:16:19] <ratrace> jsync2: that's the problem of ass umption. :)
• 1557[11:16:24] <b1ack0p> works fine in other environments and desktop
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• 1559[11:16:53] <jsync2> 😎
• 1560[11:16:55] <b1ack0p> how can i fix this odd issue?
• 1561[11:17:00] <ratrace> jsync2: nothing wrong with 32-bit arch per se. problem is in maintenance.
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• 1563[11:17:46] <jim> b1ack0p, has the light ever worked
• 1564[11:17:48] <jim> ?
• 1565[11:17:59] <b1ack0p> jim: yes it works fine except tty
• 1566[11:18:00] <inch> To keep using 32bit, use X32 instead of i386. Gets you more registers but, saves memory with shorter pointers.
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• 1568[11:18:22] <jim> not sure I understand
• 1569[11:18:23] <jsync2> I was planning to keep my 32 bit local network systems functional.
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• 1572[11:18:49] <mattia> basically cloud-init on Debian images is behaving weirdly: it sets the interface value it receives via DHCP as static values in the conf file (50-cloud-init.cfg)
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• 1574[11:19:00] <quadrathoch2> inch, x32 is not in the kernel anymore
• 1575[11:19:03] <b1ack0p> jim: in old models of thinkpad status indicator lights are placed on lcd bezel including capslock indicator light
• 1576[11:19:19] <b1ack0p> it doesnt function while i am on tty/command line
• 1577[11:19:36] <b1ack0p> it works fine in other environments just not in tty
• 1578[11:19:55] <mattia> on top of I wonder why debian as dhcp enabled by default in the interfaces file for some 3 interfaces (eth0-2)
• 1579[11:19:57] <jim> do you mean virtual console?
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• 1584[11:20:12] <b1ack0p> jim: command line
• 1585[11:20:19] <b1ack0p> linux without desktop environment
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• 1589[11:20:44] <jim> or any graphics?
• 1590[11:20:55] <m0rd3cai> Does anyone know the name of the packaged web browser that comes with debian?
• 1591[11:20:55] <b1ack0p> no graphics
• 1592[11:20:58] <b1ack0p> just command line
• 1593[11:21:01] <jim> ok
• 1594[11:21:08] <b1ack0p> tty
• 1595[11:21:26] <jim> what about when you have a desktop environment, and you use xterm?
• 1596[11:21:43] <jim> or konsole
• 1597[11:21:46] <quadrathoch2> m0rd3cai, do you mean like firefox-esr?
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• 1599[11:21:48] <b1ack0p> jim: well in desktop environment capslock indicator light works fine
• 1600[11:21:50] <jsync2> m0rd3cai, it's "firefox".
• 1601[11:22:04] <b1ack0p> i am using xfce normally
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• 1604[11:22:14] <b1ack0p> never tried xterm but used xfce terminal
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• 1608[11:23:07] <jim> ok, I see, so when you use a terminal program that shows up in a window, caps lock light works fine
• 1609[11:23:10] <m0rd3cai> no, I use firefox. Its the stupid web browse\\\
• 1610[11:23:18] <retr0_> hi
• 1611[11:23:22] <jim> hi
• 1612[11:23:46] <b1ack0p> jim: exactly
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• 1614[11:23:59] <b1ack0p> i just tried xterm on xfce DE and capslock indicator led light works fine
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• 1616[11:24:08] <retr0_> i wonna ask something about debian
• 1617[11:24:12] <b1ack0p> just not in tty/command line
• 1618[11:24:20] <jim> retr0_, ask away
• 1619[11:24:40] <retr0_> old version of kernel can't run in new hardware
• 1620[11:25:03] <jim> b1ack0p, the tty/cmd line thing is called a "virtual console" (vc)
• 1621[11:25:12] <b1ack0p> ok then
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• 1624[11:26:16] <jim> the vc code is in the kernel... I'm not sure what they do to disable it, or what x terminals do to enable it
• 1625[11:26:43] <b1ack0p> is it related with acpi or something?
• 1626[11:26:57] <jim> no clue, myself
• 1627[11:26:58] <b1ack0p> or just ignored to update on old machines?
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• 1629[11:27:28] <Freekid> hi can i ask lets encrypt question here?
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• 1631[11:27:52] <Freekid> when I use the domain name the lock is green but when i use the ip to enter into site the lock is yellow
• 1632[11:28:00] <jim> Freekid, probably... or, there's a channel called ##letsencrypt here
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• 1634[11:29:07] <jim> the domain name is connected to the cert, the ip is not
• 1635[11:29:35] <Freekid> so is it possible to add the ip to the cert?
• 1636[11:29:54] <ratrace> Freekid: no
• 1637[11:30:06] <m0rd3cai> appreciate the input, im seeing double. its time to go to bed...
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• 1639[11:30:15] <Freekid> so the ip will always show yellow?
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• 1641[11:30:26] <jim> yeah me too; nite folks
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• 1643[11:30:31] <ratrace> Freekid: why do you even want to access the TLS'd site via IP only?
• 1644[11:30:31] <Freekid> there is no fix
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• 1648[11:30:45] <Freekid> because its my homeip
• 1649[11:30:57] <ratrace> Freekid: there's "dyndns" services for that
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• 1651[11:32:17] <Freekid> I access the service via lan ip
• 1652[11:32:59] <b1ack0p> brb reboot
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• 1654[11:33:26] <ratrace> Freekid: is it constant IP?
• 1655[11:33:34] <Freekid> yes
• 1656[11:33:39] <Freekid> static
• 1657[11:33:42] <ratrace> Freekid: so how on EARTH do you get LE to validate that?!
• 1658[11:34:00] <ratrace> Freekid: meanwhile, add an entry to /etc/hosts for your IP
• 1659[11:34:06] <ratrace> the same name you got LE to validate
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• 1661[11:34:40] <jsync2> retrace, it's probably for a local network. I set a static ip for mine as well.
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• 1665[11:35:17] <jsync2> retrace, alias works for that as well.
• 1666[11:35:18] <ratrace> jsync2: and how does LetsEncrypt validate that? something's fishy here
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• 1668[11:35:28] <ratrace> LE requires a publicly accessible domain name
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• 1671[11:35:45] <Freekid> I have a domain name setup for the network
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• 1674[11:35:51] <Freekid> LE validated that
• 1675[11:36:02] <Freekid> but when I access via ip the lock is yellw
• 1676[11:36:02] <jsync2> Right, Freekid.
• 1677[11:36:25] <Freekid> the when i access via the domain the lock is green
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• 1679[11:36:43] <quadrathoch2> Freekid, if you need the green lock, just use the fqdn?
• 1680[11:36:54] <ratrace> Freekid: if LE validated that, then just use the domain name LE used
• 1681[11:37:00] <jsync2> Freekid, did you setup a dyn?
• 1682[11:37:12] <jsync2> a dns**
• 1683[11:37:16] <Freekid> yes
• 1684[11:37:22] <Freekid> I used duckdns
• 1685[11:37:37] <Freekid> replaced-url
• 1686[11:37:50] <jsync2> Yeah. That one's easy to configure.
• 1687[11:37:59] <quadrathoch2> so just use the duckdns domain
• 1688[11:38:03] <Freekid> No
• 1689[11:38:10] <jsync2> Freekid, it's a local network?
• 1690[11:38:10] <Freekid> I want both green
• 1691[11:38:15] <Freekid> yes local network
• 1692[11:38:17] <ratrace> Freekid: if LE validated that, then just use the domain name LE used
• 1693[11:38:23] <ratrace> the same domain name
• 1694[11:38:43] <ratrace> stick it in your /etc/hosts if you no longer have a public DNS resolving it, but you'll have problems again in 90 days.
• 1695[11:38:54] <quadrathoch2> Freekid, as you can't certificate the ip address, you got no other way
• 1696[11:39:06] <ratrace> it'd be WAY better to just use a self-signed certificate and have your clients accept and store its fingerprint.
• 1697[11:39:16] <jsync2> "alias"
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• 1701[11:41:17] <b1ack0p> hi again
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• 1704[11:41:47] <b1ack0p> jim: sorry pinging you but i guess i found a bug report about capslock problem in console : replaced-url
• 1705[11:41:48] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1707[11:41:51] <Freekid> ratrace " have your clients accept and store its fingerprint." you mean my browsers?
• 1708[11:42:20] <b1ack0p> some suggested different solutions but i am not sure which one works and how to apply them
• 1709[11:42:31] <ratrace> Freekid: yes, client programs (in client-server meaning)
• 1710[11:42:50] <jsync2> Freekid, I would think that "alias" would solve your issue. You would need to change your alias to reflect your ip.
• 1711[11:42:50] <b1ack0p> problem still occurs with buster also as it has been reported in same bug
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• 1713[11:43:08] <Freekid> ok jsync
• 1714[11:43:19] <ratrace> Freekid: because you can set long expiration date for self-signed certs. LE is valid for 90 days so you'll have the same hassle every 90 days
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• 1716[11:43:45] <Freekid> There is a script ratrace I think it will do it automatically
• 1717[11:43:58] <ratrace> Freekid: but I still don't understand something. LE requires publicly accessbile service with a name in public DNS. If that exists, why can't you keep on using the publicly accessible domain name?
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• 1721[11:44:39] <Freekid> I dont know I am like this. I want both :/
• 1722[11:44:47] <ratrace> Freekid: "both" what?
• 1723[11:44:48] <jsync2> Yeah. The issue seems inconsistent.
• 1724[11:44:56] <Freekid> ip and dns
• 1725[11:45:05] <Freekid> to be green
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• 1727[11:45:07] <ratrace> Freekid: you can't, so how are you gonna adapt to this?
• 1728[11:45:18] <Freekid> alias?
• 1729[11:45:21] <ratrace> "alias"?
• 1730[11:45:28] <Freekid> <jsync2> Freekid, I would think that "alias" would solve your issue. You would need to change your alias to reflect your ip.
• 1731[11:45:32] <jsync2> Yeah, alias.
• 1732[11:45:36] <ratrace> what is "alias"
• 1733[11:45:47] <jsync2> man alias
• 1734[11:46:13] <ratrace> No manual entry for alias
• 1735[11:46:26] <jsync2> 😮
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• 1737[11:47:04] <ratrace> jsync2: why don't you explain it to me in 140 characters or less.
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• 1739[11:47:07] <jsync2> Somebody told me about alias. I thought there would be a man page.
• 1740[11:47:07] <ratrace> a tweet.
• 1741[11:47:21] <ratrace> so you have NO idea yourself and are parroting something you may've heard. nice.
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• 1743[11:48:02] <jsync2> alias allows you to set an alias ip address that redirects to your system ip.
• 1744[11:48:10] <ratrace> set it _where_
• 1745[11:48:16] <beardy> ratrace: alias is part of the bash shell; 'help alias' will give you the builtin help. Also 'man bash' and search for "alias".
• 1746[11:48:28] <beardy> I meant jsync2 ^^^
• 1747[11:48:38] <ratrace> beardy: I know the shell alias yeah, but this is something about DNS or IP
• 1748[11:48:55] <ratrace> jsync2: oh you mean ADDITIONAL IP on a NIC? that has nothing to do with the problem Freekid is having.
• 1749[11:48:58] <beardy> Oh.. 'man 5 interfaces'.
• 1750[11:49:09] <ratrace> Freekid wants the impossible: a LE certificate that validates an IP. they don't do that. period.
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• 1753[11:50:59] <Freekid> But I think i have seen green locked public ip
• 1754[11:51:16] <ratrace> even if you had, LetsEncrypt will not allow that.
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• 1757[11:51:33] <Freekid> So they are using something else
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• 1759[11:52:24] <beardy> I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish really. Set the correct PTR, the same as your domain?
• 1760[11:52:36] <ratrace> Freekid: I don't know if OpenSSL would allow that, and if it would then, again, a self signed cert is your solution.
• 1761[11:53:00] <Freekid> ok
• 1762[11:53:00] <ratrace> beardy: or even better, like I suggested, put the domain name with a LAN ip in /etc/hosts, problem solved.
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• 1765[11:53:26] <Freekid> ^cool ill try that
• 1766[11:53:28] <ratrace> but this smells of BS. LE requires public IP + publicly available domain. it is impossible to validate it without it. so if public IP and public domain exist ..... where's the problem?
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• 1768[11:53:44] <ratrace> and if you want LAN IP for the PUBLIC domain ----- stick it in /etc/hosts
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• 1770[11:54:36] <jsync2> Imma log for the night. Piece.
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• 1772[11:56:01] <beardy> You can most likely not validate something that only exists on an RFC1918 address ("LAN IP") no. And if you have problems reaching it from within your LAN via the A record due to your router not letting you go out, then return back without coming from the "outside" - use /etc/hosts as suggested.
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• 1774[11:59:48] <jelly> LE has two validation apis: http-01 and dns-01; if you have control of public authoritative dns for your domain you can use dns-01 to get certs for any named service, whether the service itself is public or not
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• 1777[12:01:41] <sk_tandt> Greetings! I'm pushing a DNS record through an OpenVPN, and oddly enough Windows system behave as predicted, but a Debian does not
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• 1779[12:01:52] <sk_tandt> It simply doesn't care to try all the nameservers in resolv.conf
• 1780[12:02:02] <sk_tandt> e.g. nslookup test-domain.internal => server can't find test-domain.internal: NXDOMAIN || nslookup test-domain.internal 10.8.0.1 => all's fine
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• 1784[12:03:15] <jm_> man nslookup says Look up information for host using the current default server- note how it's not plural, try with getent instead
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• 1786[12:03:37] <jelly> sk_tandt: pastebin your /etc/resolv.conf and output of "strace getent hosts test-domain.internal"
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• 1788[12:04:07] <jelly> nslookup does not really do the same thing your other apps do.
• 1789[12:04:25] <jelly> "dig" is a better tool
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• 1791[12:05:24] <teclo-> I can confirm that, dig does much much more and better that host or nslookup
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• 1797[12:06:38] <sk_tandt> replaced-url
• 1798[12:07:16] <sk_tandt> It's normal that it is looking for kinesis.tet, it's the actual domain I am trying to point
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• 1800[12:09:08] <jelly> sk_tandt: nameserver entries are used in order. If the first one says the domain (host name, really) does not exist, then resolver library takes that as a definitive answer and does not look further
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• 1802[12:09:53] <sk_tandt> Lovely! I suppose I need a way to push my DNS nameserver as the first one in the list, as the ISP one is a bit beyond my reach
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• 1804[12:09:58] <sk_tandt> Thanks!
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• 1806[12:10:39] <jelly> sk_tandt: corolary: if you have a VPN service, it absolutely needs to put its own nameserver FIRST. If the service uses "resolvconf" package and tool this is done automatically. If it's set up via NetworkManager I _think N-M does the same thing, too.
• 1807[12:10:53] <jelly> yes, precisely
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• 1810[12:11:51] <jelly> tho I think N-M sets up local dnsmasq and can have a proper split dns setup.
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• 1813[12:12:27] <jelly> (with queries for domain foo going to one server, queries for everything else going to other, etc)
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• 1815[12:16:20] <sk_tandt> Worked like a charm. Thank you so much!
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• 1825[12:22:56] <jelly> sk_tandt: further reading ;-), man 5 resolver
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• 1935[13:26:53] <quarterback> How do I check if I'm running gnome or xfce as a desktop environment?
• 1936[13:27:39] <Haohmaru> if it's ugly - it's gnome ;P~
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• 1938[13:27:51] <Haohmaru> do you have titlebars on windows?
• 1939[13:28:10] <quarterback> I have one taskbar on top and another at the bottom.
• 1940[13:28:37] <quadrathoch2> quarterback, then it's xfce
• 1941[13:28:40] <quarterback> It looks like gnome but its different from gnome on ubuntu.
• 1942[13:28:43] <quadrathoch2> or gnome flashback
• 1943[13:28:48] <jm_> loginctl to get session ID, then loginctl -a show-session <ID> -> Desktop= line might reveal it
• 1944[13:28:55] <quarterback> quadrathoch2, An older version of gnome perhaps?
• 1945[13:29:57] <quarterback> quadrathoch2, I remember that the older version of gnome used to look like this. Having two title bars- one at top and another at bottom.
• 1946[13:30:21] <quadrathoch2> quarterback, gnome2 is so old, I am pretty sure you are not running it
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• 1948[13:30:36] <quadrathoch2> but it could still be xfce or gnome flashback (old style gnome)
• 1949[13:31:06] <quarterback> quadrathoch2, When I switch between windows, I see the gnome look with icons on left. It seems like gnome flashback as you said.
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• 1953[13:31:47] <quadrathoch2> quarterback, do you even want that? ^^
• 1954[13:31:57] <quarterback> quadrathoch2, Sometimes all windows zoom out to become icons when I'm doing something. Then I see gnome type interface with icons on left.
• 1955[13:32:29] <diogenes_> quarterback, XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP
• 1956[13:32:34] <quarterback> quadrathoch2, I actually like the Debian type GUI with top and bottom bars. The newer gnome look on ubuntu is not so great.
• 1957[13:32:35] <diogenes_> sorry: echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP
• 1958[13:33:25] <quarterback> diogenes_, It says GNOME-Classic:GNOME
• 1959[13:33:39] <diogenes_> quarterback, then it's gnome flashmack metacity
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• 1961[13:33:44] <diogenes_> flashback*
• 1962[13:33:50] <quarterback> diogenes_, You mean gnome 2?
• 1963[13:34:01] <diogenes_> rather a remake of it
• 1964[13:34:22] <quarterback> diogenes_, It is cool
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• 1973[13:41:25] <dob1> sed '1s/etc etc/' means on first line?
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• 1978[13:41:54] <dob1> 1s
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• 1986[13:42:57] <john_rambo> Hi, I am using MX Linux 19 which is based on Debian. I want to know when will MX 19 reach its EOL....So that I can plan a fresh download and install
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• 1991[13:43:11] <dob1> yes it's first line
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• 1993[13:43:56] <diogenes_> !MX-Linux | john_rambo
• 1994[13:43:57] <jelly> john_rambo: you'll have to ask mx linux people, not debian people
• 1995[13:44:19] <jelly> !mxlinux
• 1996[13:44:19] <dpkg> MX-18 Linux is based on Debian stretch; MX-19 is based on Debian buster. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at replaced-url
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• 1999[13:44:34] <jelly> diogenes_: it's !tell someone about something
• 2000[13:44:34] <john_rambo> jelly, Okay
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• 2002[13:45:01] <diogenes_> jelly, ok thanks, let me try.
• 2003[13:45:16] <diogenes_> !tell diogenes_ about MX-Linux
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• 2016[13:49:57] <samba35> i am trying to shift from linux bridge to openvswitch
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• 2019[13:50:41] <samba35> my linux bridge config is like this to implement same on openvswitch what i will be right way
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• 2022[13:51:01] <samba35> replaced-url
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• 2033[13:57:48] <f8e3> how to get a deterministic hardware print cmd to ensure the hardware wasnt tempered with (on first sight)? is sudo lshw > myhw.txt and comparing the txt suitable?
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• 2035[13:58:38] <ksk> f8e3: eh (again..)? You really cannot determine that, short of revesing hardware and using really advanced methods (like microscopes)
• 2036[13:58:42] <f8e3> the os and hw performing the command at time t1 and later t2 are the same (except hw was tempere with)
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• 2038[13:59:26] <ksk> see "nsa intercepted network equipment" story.
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• 2043[13:59:50] <ksk> anyone with physical access to your hardware will most likely be able to alter it in ways you will not notice
• 2044[13:59:59] <quarterback> How do I check nftables rules in debian buster?
• 2045[13:59:59] <f8e3> ksk regards yesterday, someone deeply familiar would have pointed me to man5 sudoers and say: rootpw and runaspw, which is EXACTLY what i was asking for!
• 2046[14:00:32] <quarterback> I had set nftables rules. Now I want to view them. Previously I had used iptables and I used to view them using iptables -L command.
• 2047[14:00:58] <quarterback> The nft command doesn't work to view nftables rules.
• 2048[14:02:09] <ksk> quarterback: replaced-url
• 2049[14:02:28] <quarterback> ksk, Thanks
• 2050[14:03:07] <quarterback> ksk, When I type nft, I get bash: nft: command not found
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• 2052[14:04:08] <ksk> ,file /usr/sbin/nft
• 2053[14:04:14] <judd> Search for /usr/sbin/nft in buster/amd64: nftables: usr/sbin/nft
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• 2056[14:04:29] <ksk> quarterback: are you root? how did you become root? see
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• 2058[14:04:34] <ksk> !buster su
• 2059[14:04:34] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
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• 2061[14:04:47] <quarterback> ksk, I didn't login as root, even as root, nft is not visible.
• 2062[14:05:12] <ksk> did you check /usr/sbin is set in $PATH?
• 2063[14:05:22] <quarterback> ksk, No
• 2064[14:05:22] <ksk> do you have nftables intsalled? :>
• 2065[14:05:35] <ksk> if both evaluate to true, you will be able to call nft
• 2066[14:06:15] <ksk> f8e3: glad to hear.
• 2067[14:07:57] <quarterback> ksk, I had installed nftables and edited its conf file in /etc/
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• 2069[14:08:33] <ksk> quarterback: this answers one of the two questions
• 2070[14:09:06] <ksk> the other is "how did you become root / is /usr/sbin in $PATH" - which is kind of the same questio.
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• 2073[14:10:14] <quarterback> ksk, I didn't understand that second question about /usr/sbin
• 2074[14:10:24] <Fox> quarterback: did you sudo, or sudo -i, or su, or su- to become root ?
• 2075[14:10:54] <ksk> how about the "how did you become root" part then? ;)
• 2076[14:11:08] <ksk> what the Fox says.
• 2077[14:11:10] <quarterback> ksk, I am the admin on this machine.
• 2078[14:11:36] <ksk> lol. yeah, I assumed you did not hack it. see foxes remark..
• 2079[14:12:12] <quarterback> Fox, I entered su to become root
• 2080[14:12:21] <Fox> ok, that's your probleme
• 2081[14:12:24] <Fox> -e
• 2082[14:12:28] <Fox> as ksk said
• 2083[14:12:29] <ksk> quarterback: then that is the problem. see what dpkg wrote about buster su.
• 2084[14:12:30] <Fox> !buster su
• 2085[14:12:30] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
• 2086[14:12:38] <Fox> read that please
• 2087[14:13:20] <Fox> after reading, become root with "su -", not just "su"
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• 2090[14:14:53] <quarterback> Fox, I wanted to see a list of ip tables rules as in iptables -L but its not showing that at all. All I get is: table inet filter
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• 2094[14:15:23] <ksk> quarterback: eh? how about replying to what we tell you to do, instead of switching the topic again? :o
• 2095[14:15:45] <quarterback> ksk, Let me go through that. I typed before he answered. Thanks for your suggestions.
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• 2098[14:18:32] <quarterback> Fox, It seems that nft tables list gives table inet filter. I had set this inet filter in /etc/nftables.conf. I was looking to display this filter.
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• 2106[14:19:52] <Fox> never used nftables
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• 2109[14:20:32] <quarterback> nftables is new to me. I am familiarw with iptables.
• 2110[14:20:41] <Fox> what does "type ntftables" answer ?
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• 2117[14:21:41] <Fox> "type nft" sorry
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• 2120[14:22:27] <quarterback> Fox, nft is hashed (/usr/sbin/nft). This is after I logged in as root with su -L
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• 2128[14:25:05] <Fox> ok, now the su problem is solved, I'm afraid I can't help you with nftables, sorry
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• 2133[14:26:01] <ksk> I dont know either, but the wiki is kind of helpful, dont you think?
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• 2135[14:26:21] <ksk> did you try "nft list tables <family>" already?
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• 2140[14:26:55] <quarterback> ksk, Yes, I see table inet filter and table ip filter
• 2141[14:26:58] <ksk> "family refers to a one of the following table types: ip, arp, ip6, bridge, inet, netdev. " -- I would further assume you specified that family in /etc/nftables.conf, so replace that.
• 2142[14:27:16] <ksk> and what do you expect to see instead?
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• 2183[14:56:05] <DrJ> why is sudo not a default install on buster?
• 2184[14:56:15] <DrJ> isn't it best practice to have that?
• 2185[14:56:23] <DrJ> just curious
• 2186[14:56:30] <quadrathoch2> DrJ, it is, but only if you don't enter a root password
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• 2188[14:56:38] <DrJ> oh
• 2189[14:56:46] <quadrathoch2> the second you have a root password, it gets not installed
• 2190[14:56:50] <DrJ> so when I install buster when prompted for a root password I should just leave blank
• 2191[14:56:59] <quadrathoch2> yes, so it disables root
• 2192[14:57:09] <quadrathoch2> you can do that also after install
• 2193[14:57:17] <quadrathoch2> just be sure you have sudo rights
• 2194[14:57:18] <DrJ> I thought maybe there was some new method/suggestion I wasn't aware of
• 2195[14:57:20] <DrJ> thanks for the input
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• 2200[15:01:15] <pasiz> DrJ: there is reasons to have actual root user and there is reasons to use sudo. Fundamentally I have in every system real root user, exept my laptops and desktop machines. In server side sudo is only creating potential security risk that is easily avoided by not using permission elevations.
• 2201[15:01:34] <ratrace> DrJ: you should not install with passwordless root. If you want sudo, install it yourself, but keep a password for root.
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• 2230[15:15:44] <nulleip> firefox and thunderbird do not open on debian sid after last update... it happened with anyone else on sid?
• 2231[15:16:56] <Haohmaru> this channel is for debian stable
• 2232[15:16:58] <Fox> !debian-next
• 2233[15:16:58] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 2234[15:17:06] <Fox> nulleip: ^^
• 2235[15:17:14] <nulleip> ok, thank you
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• 2238[15:19:00] <JackFrost> tl;dr: libsqlite, downgrade and you're fine.
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• 2247[15:24:21] <nulleip> yep
• 2248[15:24:44] <nulleip> suspected that JackFrost, thank you
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• 2286[15:43:03] <b1ack0p> is there games which can be played in console?
• 2287[15:43:36] <ratrace> colossal cave, zork
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• 2291[15:43:56] <b1ack0p> hmm
• 2292[15:44:08] <b1ack0p> chess?
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• 2294[15:44:19] <ratrace> !info bsdgames
• 2295[15:44:29] <dpkg> bsdgames: (collection of classic textual unix games), section games, is optional. Version: 2.17-28 (sid), Packaged size: 957 kB, Installed size: 2468 kB
• 2296[15:44:42] <greycat> I didn't know dpkg had that feature too.
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• 2298[15:45:37] <inch> roguelikes such as moria, nethack
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• 2300[15:45:43] <b1ack0p> how to see bsdgames after installation?
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• 2302[15:46:16] <ratrace> - dpkg -L bsdgames see what's in bins
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• 2304[15:46:21] <b1ack0p> i would like dos-like games like dyna bomberman, galaxian etc
• 2305[15:46:26] <greycat> more likely in /usr/games/
• 2306[15:46:53] <ratrace> b1ack0p: replaced-url
• 2307[15:47:00] <b1ack0p> they are all in .gz format
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• 2315[15:49:41] <zafu> hi, I'm on unstable and today firefox and firfox-esr refuse to start "ExceptionHandler::GenerateDump cloned child 5171", anyone noticed that?
• 2316[15:49:56] <greycat> !debian-next
• 2317[15:49:56] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 2318[15:50:22] <zafu> thanks greycat
• 2319[15:50:43] <zafu> good to see you're always manning the stations :)
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• 2334[15:56:30] <jelly> boring is good.
• 2335[15:56:37] <b1ack0p> nope
• 2336[15:56:41] <b1ack0p> boring is boring :p
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• 2344[16:02:00] <section1> if you are admin is good :D
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• 2383[16:21:16] <rom1v> is it just me, or Firefox is broken in Debian sid?
• 2384[16:21:22] <rom1v> ExceptionHandler::GenerateDump cloned child 1983
• 2385[16:21:28] <rom1v> ExceptionHandler::SendContinueSignalToChild sent continue signal to child
• 2386[16:21:30] <rom1v> ExceptionHandler::WaitForContinueSignal waiting for continue signal...
• 2387[16:21:47] <greycat> !debian-next
• 2388[16:21:47] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 2389[16:21:51] <greycat> !unstable
• 2390[16:21:51] <dpkg> Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. replaced-url
• 2391[16:21:53] <rom1v> thx
• 2392[16:22:24] <rom1v> Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)
• 2393[16:22:33] <jelly> ellipsis
• 2394[16:22:34] <rom1v> sorry, bad copy-paste
• 2395[16:22:39] <rom1v> it's on OFTC :)
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• 2398[16:23:54] <zafu> rom1v: apt install libsqlite3-0=3.30.1+fossil191229-1
• 2399[16:24:29] <zafu> lastest libsql broke firefox
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• 2401[16:24:38] <zafu> libsqlite*
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• 2404[16:25:11] <lyr> Hi there. I've a server, when connecting via SSH it's asking me for a password change. When there's none defined to begin with. Is there a way to work around this ?
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• 2408[16:26:32] <greycat> ask your sysadmin to remove the password-change flags on your account
• 2409[16:26:51] <greycat> or, I suppose, you could try setting a password, although it might be tricky if there's no current password
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• 2414[16:28:18] <rom1v> zafu: E: Version '3.30.1+fossil191229-1' for 'libsqlite3-0' was not found
• 2415[16:28:29] <jelly> lyr: if you're the admin, "man chage" probably
• 2416[16:28:53] <ksk> lyr: man 1 passwd, you are looking for the -u option - should you be the admin and have a(nother) way of accessing the machine.
• 2417[16:29:00] <jelly> if it says it;s expired
• 2418[16:29:35] <jelly> ,v libsqlite3-0
• 2419[16:29:36] <judd> Package: libsqlite3-0 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.8.7.1-1+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.8.7.1-1+deb8u4; stretch: 3.16.2-5+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 3.27.2-3~bpo9+1; buster: 3.27.2-3; bullseye: 3.30.1+fossil191229-1; sid: 3.31.0-1
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• 2421[16:29:50] <lyr> greycat: I'm the sysadmin. My mistake, a generic security script set up "pwd max age = 60d", and I didn't set up a password. I'm wondering If there's a way to get rid of this prompt just so I can connect on the server and fix it, or if I'm definitively locked out ?
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• 2423[16:30:25] <greycat> either use chage as jelly suggested, or edit the passwd or shadow file by hand
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• 2425[16:31:11] <greycat> also, you never said you were actually locked out. clearly you authenticated to ssh's standards, or you wouldn't have got the "please change your password" prompt in the first place.
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• 2427[16:31:27] <jelly> lyr: log in as root at the console (this is also one reason why it's good for root to have a password set)
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• 2429[16:31:44] <lyr> greycat: I'm authenticated through SSH key, but I guess session opening throw me out because I can't change password
• 2430[16:32:04] <zafu> rom1v: you have 'testing' on your apt sources?
• 2431[16:32:16] <lyr> jelly: no console available, AWS :-S
• 2432[16:32:18] <zafu> rom1v: as well as 'stable'?
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• 2434[16:33:33] <rom1v> oh no I had buster and sid, I'm adding testing
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• 2437[16:33:46] <jelly> find a better provider that gives you console access :-)
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• 2439[16:34:25] <lyr> hehe... wish we weren't on AWS
• 2440[16:34:30] <rom1v> thank you, my firefox is working again :)
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• 2442[16:34:43] <jhutchins_wk> rom1v: That sounds like a very bad idea, but it seems like worse ideas have already been implemented.
• 2443[16:34:56] <rom1v> apt install libsqlite3-0=3.30.1+fossil191229-1
• 2444[16:35:05] <lyr> whatever, will find a way. most of those are HA, I guess I can nuke / reboot those one by one to get the provisionning to fix this
• 2445[16:35:10] <rom1v> jhutchins_wk, what is a bad idea?
• 2446[16:35:14] <ayekat> lyr: don't cloud providers provide a mechanism for (re)setting your admin password?
• 2447[16:35:27] <ayekat> after all, you install an agent on your system to handle that sort of thing, no?
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• 2450[16:35:33] <jhutchins_wk> rom1v: It's never good to have more than one release in your source list.
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• 2452[16:35:48] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: mmm.... not quite true...
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• 2454[16:36:02] <lyr> ayekat : depends on what you do
• 2455[16:36:14] <rom1v> Apparently I never had problem with that
• 2456[16:36:22] <greycat> you should never have a *newer* release's deb lines, but you can have a newer release's deb-src lines (for ssb), or an older release's deb lines (for old libs)
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• 2458[16:36:42] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: they're on sid. If you join the other channel where sid and testing users are supposed to hand out, you'll see advice that RADICALLY differs from advice for users of actual releases.
• 2459[16:36:43] <lyr> ayekat : when you remove the standard admin account you're usually on your own
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• 2461[16:36:59] <ayekat> yeah, well, don't do that :-)
• 2462[16:37:10] <jhutchins_wk> replaced-url
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• 2465[16:37:24] <ayekat> (but otherwise I agree with: "there should be a way to access the console")
• 2466[16:37:35] <lyr> yep
• 2467[16:38:07] <lyr> previous jobs, we were using OVH, we had a calculated password enforced on "sos" account just for this use case
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• 2479[16:47:11] <dob1> I am doing find ./ -type f -name "*somefike.csv" -exec cat {} + |sed etc etc... but I would like to "dos2unix" every file before doing the cat, not the dos2unix at the end for every file... I don't now how to do this
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• 2482[16:48:26] <jelly> dob1: dos2unix can be easily done after cat pipe. You basically just need to remove carriage returns.
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• 2485[16:48:49] <jelly> dob1: find ... -exec cat {} + | tr -d '\r' | sed ...
• 2486[16:48:57] <dob1> jelly, no I want to do for every file. my problem is the BOM
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• 2488[16:49:26] <greycat> BOMs can contain a carriage return?
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• 2491[16:50:15] <dob1> from what I know BOM is at the start of the file, so it's the first characters, and I think dos2unix check this. If I do dos2unix after the global cat I am not sure how it handles it
• 2492[16:50:43] <dob1> dos2unix removes the bom
• 2493[16:50:43] <greycat> so you don't... actually... HAVE a problem?  you're just worried for some vague paranoid reason?
• 2494[16:50:54] <RadoS> find . ... -print0 |xargs -0 myscript.sh
• 2495[16:50:55] <dob1> I use dos2unix to remove the bom
• 2496[16:51:02] <RadoS> then have your script to the voodoo.
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• 2498[16:51:12] <RadoS> to->do
• 2499[16:51:33] <dob1> but and the cat ?
• 2500[16:51:44] <RadoS> "useless use of cat"
• 2501[16:51:54] * greycat has no popcorn, so simply waits
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• 2503[16:52:36] <dob1> I am not sure how to do this
• 2504[16:52:52] <jelly> dob1: do you need to keep original files intact?
• 2505[16:53:04] <greycat> you have not actually given us a REASON to do it the hard way yet
• 2506[16:53:08] <RadoS> myscript.sh: for VAR in "$@" do; dos2unix $VAR | sed ... > $VAR.tmp; mv $VAR.tmp $VAR;done
• 2507[16:53:17] <greycat> RadoS: quoting failure.
• 2508[16:53:31] <dob1> I am combining several csv file in a single one but each of the has BOM, I want to remove BOM. dos2unix removes BOM
• 2509[16:53:40] <dob1> *each of them
• 2510[16:54:20] <greycat> So you ACTUALLY have BOMs? It's not just a theoretical concern? Like, you can give us the actual name of an actual file, and you can state "this file frobbitz.csv has a BOM of type SquiggleFart"?
• 2511[16:54:25] <RadoS> greycat, right, dob1: dos2unix "$VAR"
• 2512[16:54:36] <RadoS> basically "$VAR" everywhere. ;-)
• 2513[16:54:59] <dob1> greycat, UTF-8 Unicode (with BOM) text, with CRLF line terminators
• 2514[16:55:24] <greycat> So you don't really know the details. You are 90% ignorant. Lovely. Does dos2unix accept multiple filenames as arguments?
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• 2516[16:55:39] <greycat> let's go check manpages.debian.org ...
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• 2518[16:55:51] * RadoS ... o O ( it does )
• 2519[16:55:58] <greycat> It says [FILE ...] in the synopsis, so that's a good sign.
• 2520[16:56:07] <dob1> well I think I didn't explain it in good terms. nevermind
• 2521[16:56:12] * jhutchins_wk does not understand what file formats have to do with a Bill Of Materials.
• 2522[16:56:22] <greycat> Byte Order Mark
• 2523[16:56:36] <jhutchins_wk> Well that's not obscure or anything.
• 2524[16:57:01] <greycat> dob1: find ... -exec dos2unix -r {} + | sed whatever
• 2525[16:57:08] <dob1> greycat, my idea is that you can do cat file |dos2unix so it read stdin, so before doing the global cal pass the file to dos2unix
• 2526[16:58:09] <dob1> I cannot use -r, it modifies the original file
• 2527[16:58:17] <greycat> ...
• 2528[16:58:20] <greycat> *PLONK*
• 2529[16:58:31] <dob1> I just tried
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• 2531[16:58:41] <greycat> FIGURE OUT WHAT FREAKING OPTIONS TO USE
• 2532[16:58:46] <greycat> THEN USE THEM
• 2533[16:59:37] <zafu> that's the spirit
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• 2544[17:01:31] <jelly> or use a different tool to get rid of '\xff\xfe' or '\xfe\xff' at the beginning of each input file
• 2545[17:02:15] <dob1> I am not used to it but I think xargs hint can be helpful
• 2546[17:02:28] <jelly> amusingly I don't see a way to tell dos2unix to read input from file, and output to stdout.
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• 2548[17:02:45] <dob1> cat file |dos2unix does it
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• 2550[17:03:04] <dob1> but I need to do this before the "global cat"
• 2551[17:03:18] <greycat> Hence the initial suggestions to use *something* *else* like tr -d.
• 2552[17:03:19] <jelly> yes, dos2unix can read input from stdin and output to stdout
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• 2554[17:03:32] <greycat> But they rejected all of those suggestions and *insisted* on using dos2unix.
• 2555[17:03:36] <jelly> tr isn't very good with unicode
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• 2557[17:03:52] <dob1> greycat, I admit I don't understand too much about unicode, bom and all these things. there is a tool that does it for me, dos2unix, I want to use it
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• 2560[17:04:38] <dob1> I don't understand why I have a software that exports data with this crappy bytes at start and I have to remove them. but this is another part
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• 2563[17:06:34] <jelly> dob1: are you allowed to change input files?
• 2564[17:06:44] <dob1> jelly, no
• 2565[17:06:54] <jelly> can you make a temporary copy?
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• 2569[17:07:36] <dob1> jelly, I was thinking at tmp files too and store the their filepath in an array or similar
• 2570[17:08:06] <RadoS> dob1, you want many files slurped into 1?
• 2571[17:08:10] <jelly> if passing each file to dos2unix separately is fine, then do that. -exec sh -c 'dos2unix < {}' \; | sed ...
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• 2573[17:08:23] <greycat> jelly: code injection bug.
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• 2575[17:08:49] <dob1> RadoS, yes but passing them to dos2unix before combinding them
• 2576[17:08:59] <greycat> I'm reading "info recode | less" but it's still pretty opaque to me... there's probably some *really* easy recode recipe that'll do it, but it's very hard to pry it out of the manuals.
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• 2578[17:10:22] <zen262176> who likes my login banners - replaced-url
• 2579[17:10:42] <jelly> greycat: yeah, I typically avoid -exec and am not good with it
• 2580[17:11:03] <greycat> jelly: -exec sh -c 'recode < "$1"' x {} \; and yes, this is *hideous* and this is why we don't use recode
• 2581[17:11:04] * jelly does ... -print0 | xargs -0 -n1 ...
• 2582[17:11:16] <greycat> that's another way
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• 2585[17:11:46] <greycat> s/recode/dos2unix/g
• 2586[17:11:53] <RadoS> dob1, then use my "find . ... -print0 | xargs -0 ", then in script apply "$VAR" rather than $VAR, and use 'dos2unix < "$VAR" | sed ...' rather than cat.
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• 2588[17:12:09] * RadoS ... o O ( unless you find a better solution with a more helpful command than dos2unix )
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• 2590[17:12:26] <greycat> that's what I'm attempting
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• 2592[17:12:27] <dob1> I am trying your hints. I will do it in some way (damn BOM) :)
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• 2597[17:13:14] <dob1> zen262176, you shoud disable ssh root imho
• 2598[17:13:22] <dob1> with password too
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• 2600[17:13:32] <jelly> and stop using Courier New as terminal font!
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• 2602[17:14:14] <dob1> jelly, I was thinking the fonts was horrible too :)
• 2603[17:14:17] <zen262176> It’s the default I just left it 😊 why not use courier new?
• 2604[17:14:21] <jelly> replaced-url
• 2605[17:14:34] <zen262176> I’m not sure how to change the font
• 2606[17:14:52] <dob1> putty -> appareance
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• 2608[17:15:26] <zen262176> Dob you can only login with root from my lan IP it’s locked down.
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• 2610[17:15:47] <dob1> zen262176, create a new user and use sudo or at least login via key
• 2611[17:15:49] <b1ack0p> i wonder what font is used in tty/console
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• 2613[17:15:52] <b1ack0p> it looks cool
• 2614[17:16:06] <b1ack0p> normally i use ubuntu fonts in terminal
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• 2619[17:18:07] <zen262176> Dob1 I already log in via a key as well
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• 2621[17:18:29] <zen262176> I was thinking about putting more info on but don’t want to over do it.
• 2622[17:18:52] <greycat> wooledg:~$ printf '\uFEFFhi,mom\r\nbye,dad\r\n' > file
• 2623[17:18:52] <greycat> wooledg:~$ file file
• 2624[17:18:52] <greycat> file: UTF-8 Unicode (with BOM) text, with CRLF line terminators
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• 2628[17:19:40] <greycat> so now maybe I can *experiment* since none of the manuals or googles will just tell me how to do it...
• 2629[17:19:40] <b1ack0p> jelly: ibm fonts are cool
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• 2633[17:20:19] <dob1> greycat, I read this replaced-url
• 2634[17:20:28] <dob1> *some people
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• 2637[17:21:39] <dob1> and it's the same the sed on the link uses 1s that is the first line from what I know
• 2638[17:21:50] <zen262176> Anyone got any of their own banners to share?
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• 2644[17:25:00] <jelly> dos2unix has probably learned to be smart enough to also convert from UTF-16LE which some windows tools really like, so if the files are not all 8bit, simple replacements might not work
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• 2648[17:26:12] <jelly> zen262176: absolutely no banners at all, this is a support channel only! replaced-url
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• 2654[17:28:14] <dob1> jelly, why there are the versions of 2 kernels?
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• 2657[17:29:14] <b1ack0p> dob1: one is for backup other is for daily usage :p
• 2658[17:29:31] <dob1> with different arch ? :)
• 2659[17:29:36] <zen262176> It’s a support channel only? Boo hoo! 😊
• 2660[17:29:54] <b1ack0p> dob1: yep it is trend now using more than 1 kernel :p
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• 2664[17:31:24] <b1ack0p> zen262176: what would u expect? :p
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• 2670[17:34:34] <zen262176> I thought at least you could talk about other things lol
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• 2672[17:35:27] <b1ack0p> :p
• 2673[17:35:50] <b1ack0p> zen262176: #debian-offtopic for other things
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• 2677[17:36:13] <zen262176> Ah I didn’t see that channel doh
• 2678[17:36:16] <zen262176> thank you
• 2679[17:36:24] <b1ack0p> anything you like sports, fashion, celebrity, dating..etc :p
• 2680[17:36:44] <b1ack0p> nerds social place lol
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• 2682[17:37:29] <b1ack0p> pingfloyd: nice nick ;)
• 2683[17:37:43] <b1ack0p> another bug in the code :p
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• 2686[17:39:44] <b1ack0p> jelly: how to download these oldschool fonts?
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• 2689[17:42:57] <greycat> So far I have not managed to get recode to do *anything* except print nothing, print only the first line and then an error message, or print an error message.
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• 2711[17:58:28] <greycat> Several minutes later, I have also managed to get recode to emit incorrect bytes, followed by the first line and an error message, in addition to the other failures.
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• 2713[17:59:04] <greycat> I have also verified that dos2unix acting in "filter mode" will not remove internal BOMs. E.g. cat file file2 | dos2unix doesn't remove the second BOM which occurred originally at the start of file2.
• 2714[17:59:30] <greycat> I have not yet managed to find ANYTHING that works correctly on multiple files.
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• 2748[18:22:37] <jim> b1ack0p, are you seeing those other symptoms mentioned in the bug report?
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• 2755[18:27:04] <b1ack0p> jim: what other symptoms? i just see not functioning capslock led indicator light
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• 2769[18:35:20] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: You shouldn't need cat. dos2unix file file2
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• 2778[18:37:28] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: and what do you believe this command actually does?
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• 2781[18:40:10] <joepublic> cat is awesome.
• 2782[18:40:52] <joepublic> the cat deniers say things like uuoc, just use more complex syntax, when often, command chains featuring cat are more comprensible and therefore less prone to error
• 2783[18:40:54] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: what it does *not* do is open the two files, read them, and print their modified contents to stdout.
• 2784[18:41:23] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: what it *appears* to do is overwrite each of the original input files with new content, and then write two lines of explanatory text to either stdout or stderr.
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• 2786[18:41:44] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: From reading the manpage, it should convert both files. The SunOS behavior would be to write the converted "file" to "file2", but that is explicitly not the default in linux unless the -n or -o flags are used.
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• 2788[18:42:08] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Yes, that sounds right,
• 2789[18:42:37] <jhutchins_wk> So I guess I misunderstood the task.
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• 2795[18:44:48] <mms_> wifi adaptor with 150Mbps is it enough ?
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• 2799[18:45:30] <mms_> I will use it in my desktop to connect to my phone hotspot
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• 2802[18:46:23] <joepublic> enough to start your own ISP? probably not. Enough to email/browse? sure.
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• 2807[18:47:57] <mms_> joepublic: yes just desktop to get good internet connection to do work
• 2808[18:48:14] <greycat> 150 Mbps is 15 times as fast as my home internet connection
• 2809[18:48:27] <mms_> joepublic: I think lan has 100mbps so 150mbps for wifi is more than that
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• 2811[18:49:05] <mms_> I mean my phone will as such never stream that speed
• 2812[18:49:33] <mms_> so wifi adapter with more speed is not beneficial ?
• 2813[18:49:53] <joepublic> I would say not for connecting to an unspecified phone, no
• 2814[18:51:06] <mms_> greycat: yes so I thought why they make wifi adapter (usb) with more speed as such they are used in desktop/laptop only to connect to some hotspot which will never be fater than 100mbps right ?
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• 2816[18:52:11] <nightqueen> if I type in a unicode character in the console via the keyboard and then hit backspace.. then two characters is in the buffer but the whole typographical character is removed from the screen. Weird results ensues. Remedy?
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• 2818[18:52:56] <greycat> sounds like a bug in whatever you're currently typing into. is it a shell?
• 2819[18:53:02] <ksk> mms_: because there is Gbit (and even 10G) speed available for wired networking, and not too few people have >100mbit/s internet nowadays.
• 2820[18:53:12] <spacebug^> mms_: why would a hotspot not be faster than 100mbps?
• 2821[18:53:14] <jim> mms_, it's not beneficial unless the internet it's connecting to is also that speed, and your computer is fast enough
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• 2823[18:53:57] <nightqueen> greycat: yes
• 2824[18:54:08] <greycat> Which shell, and did you do anything unusual to it?
• 2825[18:54:35] <mms_> spacebug^: usually wifi access points I never seen giving more internet speed than even 10mbps as work
• 2826[18:55:04] <nightqueen> greycat: it's the tty1 you boot into
• 2827[18:55:19] <greycat> so it's.. zsh? bash? ksh? tcsh?
• 2828[18:55:27] <mms_> spacebug^: when I download at work where they have some good hotspot access points even with thous speed is never more than 1mbps
• 2829[18:55:31] <spacebug^> mms_: well my internet connection is stated 100mbps but I get arount 120mbps. I get the same over wifi so :)
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• 2831[18:56:13] <spacebug^> people over here usually has 100mbps but some have 200/500 or 1gbps
• 2832[18:56:29] <mms_> spacebug^: really even if you get 120mpbs the 150mbps wifi adatper I am stating will be sufficient
• 2833[18:56:43] <nightqueen> greycat: bash
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• 2835[18:56:59] <nightqueen> could be that the collate isn't set up properly
• 2836[18:57:09] <greycat> nightqueen: OK... could be a bug in bash, or a readline misconfiguration on your end, or your locale is set wrong... what does "locale" say?
• 2837[18:57:48] <spacebug^> mms_: yeah it will probaly suit your needs just fine. One thing to remeber about wifi though is that it is hard. Devices can be speced at a certain speed but you might sometimes get half of that depending on other devices involved and the surrunding environment
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• 2840[18:59:21] <mms_> spacebug^: based on what you said it should be enough in your case
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• 2842[19:00:05] <nightqueen> as long as locale is set to the same as they keymap or something, everything seems to be ok
• 2843[19:00:10] <mms_> ok bye guys
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• 2857[19:09:09] <joh6nn> hey all, long story, but i've been asked to see about setting up a Stretch box with encrypted LVM, unlocked by a file on a usb-key. Does anyone have that working? There's a lot of conflicting posts and articles out there, and it's not clear which, if any, of them are correct
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• 2868[19:15:32] <MyroSVK_> joh6nn, having a key on USB is a highway to hell
• 2869[19:16:01] <dob1> vim too has support to remove bom with nobom
• 2870[19:16:08] <joh6nn> MyroSVK_: why's that?
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• 2874[19:16:53] <gvth> Hi; when I close my laptop lid when I am on a console where I am not logged in, my laptop goes to a state of sleep/suspend. I like my system behaving in such a way but I have never set this up and would like to know where and what setting is causing this?
• 2875[19:17:41] <MyroSVK_> joh6nn, can be stolen, cloned... Main idea behing security is not to write your passwords / keys anywhere and remember it by using it on daily basis
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• 2879[19:18:40] <joh6nn> that's not an issue with the threat model involved here
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• 2881[19:19:13] <joh6nn> but thanks :)
• 2882[19:20:01] <MyroSVK_> joh6nn, few months ago I was fiddling with keys stored on remote server, kinda interresting stuff too but when you are offline you are pretty much screwed
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• 2892[19:23:44] <joh6nn> yeah, that wouldn't work for this situation
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• 2899[19:29:12] <annadane> can i get wine mono from debian's wine? i guess not, i guess i have to use winehq's repos for that
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• 2901[19:30:08] <greycat> "can I get mono from ___" would probably give you really unexpected google results
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• 2906[19:31:02] <annadane> never mind, the wiki covers this
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• 2919[19:40:56] <annadane> i'm looking for what $XDG_CACHE_HOME is assigned to, do i just type in printenv and if it doesn't show up, it's not set?
• 2920[19:41:10] <greycat> It's usually not set.
• 2921[19:41:36] <greycat> there're lots of XDG_* variables that *can* be set, but which are typically not set, causing programs to use a default value instead
• 2922[19:42:08] <greycat> I used env | grep XDG
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• 2947[19:55:41] <sylvain31> Hi, I'm trying to install a legacy debian wheezy in a docker for building a binary, and I get broken dependencies when try apt-get install git. replaced-url
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• 2957[20:03:19] <jim> sylvain31, what's its sources.list look like? (one way: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999)
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• 2959[20:05:14] <sylvain31> jim, it's at the end of the paste above
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• 2964[20:06:22] <jim> sylvain31, did you install anything before trying to install git?
• 2965[20:07:01] <sylvain31> jim, nope, but it is a docker image.
• 2966[20:07:40] <jim> so you don't know what all was done to it?
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• 2969[20:10:03] <sylvain31> no, I don't know what exactly what is the base image. I may try to check. Should debian wheezy should be still capable to install package from archive.debian.org, right?
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• 2971[20:10:22] <nightqueen> Do I have to chose both a foreign language and a european system in LC_TIME at the same time? I want the european clock format but in english
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• 2975[20:10:37] <jim> ok, try this... (and let's see outputs too): dpkg --configure --pending 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 2981[20:12:26] <sylvain31> jim, empty on the running docker
• 2982[20:12:44] <jim> ok, so all packages configured
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• 2986[20:13:41] <jim> ok, try this: apt -f install 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 2988[20:15:03] <sylvain31> jim, found, the image was somewhat broken I think : replaced-url
• 2989[20:15:24] <sylvain31> changing for debian/eol:wheezy and is seems to work.
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• 2992[20:16:09] <jim> sylvain31, oh ok... good enough :)
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• 2998[20:18:49] <sylvain31> yeah, cool. Thanks ;-)
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• 3004[20:22:22] <jhutchins_wk> nightqueen: What application's clock do you want this for?
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• 3006[20:23:11] <jhutchins_wk> nightqueen: You would probably expect a "european clock format" for Great Britain.
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• 3016[20:28:30] <nightqueen> jhutchins_wk: the brits use the inferior pm/am system
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• 3018[20:29:07] <Habbie> LC_TIME=en_GB.UTF-8 date; LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8 date
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• 3020[20:29:10] <Habbie> Thu 23 Jan 20:29:01 CET 2020
• 3021[20:29:11] <Habbie> Thu 23 Jan 2020 08:29:01 PM CET
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• 3030[20:37:42] <nightqueen> okay, so I configure those things.. LC_TIME and a few others. But what about the ones I haven't configured?
• 3031[20:38:22] <Habbie> type 'locale' to see what happened to them
• 3032[20:40:17] <nightqueen> Contrary to my belief, they were defaulting to C. I did not think that'd happen. So what language is this C? Is it some english ANSI-standard based on the C-language?
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• 3064[20:56:47] <karlpinc> nightqueen: C is an encoding named after the C language, which basically means ASCII.
• 3065[20:57:25] <karlpinc> nightqueen: I don't recall if C is defined for all 8 bits or is just 7, but I'd guess 8.
• 3066[20:57:49] <greycat> *nod* the "C" or "POSIX" locale is basically "it's 1979 again". 7-bit ASCII only, no multi-byte encodings, no "International" rules -- just American Everything.
• 3067[20:57:55] <karlpinc> nightqueen: It's pretty much what you get when you don't "do anything", historically.
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• 3070[20:58:44] <greycat> ASCII only goes up to 127. The 8th bit is reserved for uses outside of ASCII (could be a parity bit, could be another 128 characters).
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• 3072[20:59:02] <karlpinc> greycat: IIRC you can output 8 bits, but only some bytes have a defined meaning.
• 3073[20:59:06] <karlpinc> ?
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• 3076[20:59:25] <karlpinc> greycat: (I guess that's just what you said.)
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• 3078[21:00:03] <greycat> What happens when your terminal receives a byte value above 127 in the "C" locale is up to the terminal.
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• 3080[21:00:58] <greycat> General policy is "don't do that".
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• 3095[21:11:58] <CpAj0> i have a problem with CD because it seems that i can't mount the cdrom if i type mount /media/cdrom the output is mount: /media/cdrom: can't find in /etc/fstab.
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• 3097[21:12:47] <greycat> Tell it what device to mount. mount /dev/something /media/something
• 3098[21:13:00] <greycat> if you only have one CD-ROM drive, /dev/cdrom should work.
• 3099[21:13:30] <CpAj0> but in /dev i don't have cdrom or cdrom0
• 3100[21:13:53] <greycat> Do you actually see a CD-ROM device anywhere in dmesg?
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• 3104[21:16:36] <CpAj0> nope
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• 3106[21:16:47] <twobitsp1ite> CpAj0: is it an external USB CDROM?
• 3107[21:16:54] <greycat> Either the drive isn't connected, or isn't powered on, or isn't functional.
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• 3109[21:17:54] <CpAj0> no is the cdrom of the laptop
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• 3111[21:18:06] <twobitsprite> CpAj0: pastebin your 'sudo fdisk -l' output
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• 3119[21:22:01] <CpAj0> replaced-url
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• 3126[21:25:20] <twobitsprite> hmm, yeah, looks like it's not being detected...
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• 3128[21:27:02] <CpAj0> so maybe is a hardware problem...i will try with a live boot
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• 3131[21:28:33] <Akuw> in pagackage version "2.9.1+dfsg1-5+deb8u4" what means "+dfsg1-5" and "+deb8u4" ?
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• 3170[21:55:10] <tails> my firefox keeps on crashing on debian sid
• 3171[21:55:22] <tails> it doesn't generate a core to tell me why
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• 3173[21:55:56] <tails> ExceptionHandler::GenerateDump cloned child 3564
• 3174[21:55:57] <tails> ExceptionHandler::SendContinueSignalToChild sent continue signal to child
• 3175[21:55:57] <tails> ExceptionHandler::WaitForContinueSignal waiting for continue signal...
• 3176[21:56:10] <tails> that is 100% of a firefox run
• 3177[21:56:26] <tails> it pops up "firefox had a problem and crashed so tell us why" error reporter
• 3178[21:56:30] <tails> when nothing seems wrong
• 3179[21:56:51] <nkuttler> !debian-next
• 3180[21:56:51] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 3182[21:57:54] <jsync2> Hello. I cloned a file system using partclone, & the instructions said to perform a resize2fs, though the source was smaller than the target. Would resize2fs shrink my target drive partition?
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• 3184[21:59:17] <Habbie> jsync2, resize2fs resizes the filesystem to the size you specify; if you don't specify a size, it resizes the *filesystem* to the *partition size* (which is always a grow, never a shrink)
• 3185[21:59:23] <Habbie> jsync2, resize2fs does not change your partition sizes
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• 3189[22:00:36] <dob1> how can I get in a script the dir where the script is?
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• 3191[22:01:03] <jsync2> Habbie, I didn't perform the resize2fs. Can I still perform that task once I booted the filesystem?
• 3192[22:01:30] <Habbie> jsync2, yes
• 3193[22:01:41] <Habbie> jsync2, a grow can even be done while the filesystem is mounted
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• 3200[22:03:39] <jsync2> 😁 Thanks, Habbie.
• 3201[22:03:42] <Habbie> np!
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• 3207[22:04:38] <jsync2> 15 to 51 blocks. Makes sense of the clone job.
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• 3210[22:06:48] <jsync2> A "bootable" partition doesn't show in Nautilis side bar I guess.
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• 3214[22:07:56] <CarlFK> char mode console - how to I switch video mode from .. whatever I am in (160x100?) to 80x25 or 40 or whatever is 'small'
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• 3217[22:08:26] <jsync2> Disk utility says new cloned file system is mounted, not old source file system, not actually. I guess the system is using the new cloned file system for boot.
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• 3220[22:10:07] <jsync2> Is there a irc channel specifically for linux CLI?
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• 3233[22:15:37] <ksk> jsync2: there is #bash - if that is what you mean with "CLI" ;)
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• 3235[22:16:04] <Guest31514> hey
• 3236[22:16:52] <CarlFK> or what kernael params to keep it from going into any other video modes
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• 3238[22:17:09] <jsync2> ksk, I mean Command Line "CLI".
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• 3241[22:17:17] <petn-randall> CarlFK: `dpkg-reconfigure console-setup`
• 3242[22:17:52] <greycat> jsync2: ask your specific question, please. "Linux CLI" is like saying "things". It's too vague.
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• 3373[22:20:33] <jsync2> greycat, I mean an IRC channel for help specifically with terminal commands. Everything from cp/mv, to mounting a drive & all associated with working in a Virtual Machine, tty, environment.
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• 3378[22:21:06] <greycat> jsync2: so, you mean help with Debian? This channel.
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• 3381[22:21:29] <jsync2> greycat, alright.
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• 3383[22:21:36] <jsync2> 😎
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• 3408[22:25:29] <jsync2> Is there a way to get a mirror download of the old Wheezy non-free file system sources?
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• 3424[22:25:53] <Habbie> jsync2, all i know is archive.debian.org exists
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• 3442[22:26:17] <jsync2> I have most of the Wheezy source files downloaded & on my server.
• 3443[22:26:21] <greycat> There are no "file system sources". I'm not even sure what you mean by that. If you want to install wheezy, you can get the old installer images.
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• 3448[22:26:50] <greycat> If you have an existing wheezy system, we can tell you what should be in sources.list, assuming the bot didn't die in this netsplit.
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• 3450[22:26:53] <greycat> !wheezy sources.list
• 3451[22:26:53] <dpkg> Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb replaced-url
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• 3454[22:27:42] <jsync2> I downloaded Wheezy source files & made a mirror for the files on my local network.
• 3455[22:28:11] <greycat> if you're trying to set up your own repository, then I can't help you; maybe someone else can
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• 3459[22:28:25] <greycat> !ownrepo
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• 3461[22:28:28] <greycat> !own repo
• 3462[22:28:28] <dpkg> To feed your own packages into apt, you need to create a repository with a Packages file that lists the packages. If you only have a few packages and don't have very sophisticated requirements, you can use <dpkg-scanpackages>. If you want to be able add/remove packages using regular Debian tools like dput then try <reprepro> or mini-dinstall. See replaced-url
• 3463[22:28:34] <greycat> or maybe the bot can
• 3464[22:28:54] <greycat> (or that might not be the right factoid)
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• 3469[22:29:59] <dvs> apt-mirror can duplicate it but it sounds like you want a stand-alone repo.
• 3470[22:31:09] <jsync2> I tried to install the nvidia drivers that I pulled out of a separate machine from the file /var/cache/apt/archives, though my Xorg.conf didn't work in my new system, not actually.
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• 3472[22:31:59] <greycat> one generally doesn't *have* an xorg.conf file with recent versions of debian
• 3473[22:32:03] <jsync2> dvs, it's like a mirror site that I made for my own local network.
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• 3476[22:32:10] <greycat> !apt-mirror
• 3477[22:32:10] <dpkg> apt-mirror is a tool for making a local mirror of any <APT> source. To mirror multiple architectures, specify "deb-$arch ..." in /etc/apt/mirror.list; e.g. "deb-amd64 replaced-url
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• 3482[22:32:42] <greycat> personally, I just use a squid proxy and point all the Debian systems at it
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• 3503[22:34:41] <hugo_> hello all, i try to capture regex with sed, could someone help me ? i got this error : replaced-url
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• 3508[22:38:12] <dvs> hugo_, you don't have a group in the first part of the search command.
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• 3516[22:44:00] <jsync2> So, is there a way to get all the files from deb replaced-url
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• 3518[22:44:15] <greycat> *ALL*? Now you're back to apt-mirror.
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• 3521[22:44:31] <greycat> also, "contrib" is not "contributor"
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• 3524[22:45:06] <jsync2> Well, I'm aware I need to use apt-mirror, though are all the files still available?
• 3525[22:45:33] <greycat> only one way to find out
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• 3531[22:50:57] <petn-randall> jsync2: Why do you want to mirror all? That's several dozens of GB. If you have an uplink I'd use the existing mirrors.
• 3532[22:51:42] <petn-randall> hugo_: Try using single quotes.
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• 3535[22:54:00] <jsync2> petn-randall, because people are in a hurry to do away with 32 bit Operating Systems, for a simple example. When the American population fulfills its' barbaric intent, I'll still have a working OS, regardless of what white invaders descendants think about "Indians" whom respect the land & animals.
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• 3549[23:00:43] <jsync2> petn-randall, I don't mean to put you on the defensive, not actually. I should have just been concise & suggested something like, Because I believe that there are all sorts of Conspiracies. I'm a believer that various Conspirators really exist.
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• 3551[23:01:00] <jsync2> 😎
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• 3649[23:05:50] <jsync2> Question: Can apt-mirror make a mirror of other sites?
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• 3651[23:07:17] <ksk> ,info apt-mirror
• 3652[23:07:18] <judd> Package apt-mirror (net, optional) in buster/amd64: APT sources mirroring tool. Version: 0.5.4-1; Size: 18.0k; Installed: 67k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 3654[23:07:58] <jsync2> Like, if I wanted to mirror replaced-url
• 3655[23:08:34] <ksk> jsync2: take a look at httrack
• 3656[23:08:54] <ksk> apt-mirror is , surprisingly, a tool to mirror an apt mirror
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• 3658[23:09:08] <annadane> wow!
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• 3660[23:09:52] <jsync2> ksk, so wget is my only option to get really large sites like wikis?
• 3661[23:10:30] <ksk> 22:08 < ksk> jsync2: take a look at httrack
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• 3664[23:11:58] <karlpinc> jsync2: There are other choices. Maybe debtags will help.
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• 3673[23:17:33] <petn-randall> jsync2: I don't know what conspiracies you believe in, but you first sentence has no relation to your second one. There are mirrors for *all* Debian releases that ever existed still on archive.debian.org, so your conspiracy isn't rooted in reality.
• 3674[23:18:53] <jsync2> petn-randall, I would guess such. Thanks for corroborating my point.
• 3675[23:19:46] <jsync2> #indiansvsfreeworld
• 3676[23:19:52] <jsync2> 😉
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• 3678[23:20:34] <petn-randall> jsync2: This isn't twitter. Do you have any other Debian support question?
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• 3681[23:22:14] <jsync2> petn-randall, try #debian-offtopic yourself.
• 3682[23:22:21] <jsync2> 😉
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• 3685[23:23:36] <jsync2> (I remember it was you that asked "why", while that wasn't really pertinent, not actually.)
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• 3690[23:24:45] <petn-randall> jsync2: I asked because many people think it's a good idea "just to do", and then are surprised of the size the archive has.
• 3691[23:24:48] <jsync2> ("Because a Conspiracy Theorist seems like a contradiction in terminology.)
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• 3695[23:26:45] <sponix2ipfw> !ops jsync2 mind numbing rants
• 3696[23:26:45] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: sponix2ipfw complains about a problem (see above)
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• 3728[23:49:12] <juki> thrashed my /home, any help in here?
• 3729[23:50:04] <jsync2> 😎
• 3730[23:50:43] <petn-randall> juki: You can try restoring from backups.
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• 3734[23:51:37] <petn-randall> juki: How did you trash your /home?
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• 3739[23:55:15] <jsync2> As su default.
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• 3741[23:55:41] <jsync2> Es su default**
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• 3743[23:55:56] <jsync2> 😁
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