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0 [00:00:25] <somiaj> H2Q: this unmet dependencies is hard if you can't meet the dependency, You can try to --force things, but this can only make a bigger mess, hence if this is a fresh install/vm, a reinstall is sometimes the cleanest/fastest.
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2 [00:00:52] <edlou> any of you fellows have a cluster of "cheat sheets" that you might be able to message me directly? im just trying to gather more information from what people think is important to learn more/study
3 [00:01:04] <somiaj> !debian handbook
4 [00:01:05] <dpkg> The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at replaced-url
5 [00:01:05] <edlou> i am a novice linux user, just been reading wikis and searching engines for help when i break things
6 [00:01:23] <H2Q> somiaj, the problem is, it isn't. and I dont see why this should be a 'no-solution' case
7 [00:01:27] <somiaj> edlou: something like the handbook is useful, even though it hasn't been updated since jessie (maybe stretch), it is still mostly correct.
8 [00:01:29] <H2Q> other than reinstall
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11 [00:02:06] <somiaj> H2Q: It might be fixable, #debian just dosn't support it because it is due to third party packages.
12 [00:02:20] <H2Q> somiaj irc is for asking for/getting practical help. outside of irc I know what resources for debian are available. but I need to solve this now
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14 [00:02:24] <somiaj> H2Q: one will have to go down the rabbit hole, figure out what dependencies are unmet, and try to fix that.
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16 [00:03:31] <H2Q> the output already shows what dependencies are unmet. and I am asking how I can 'try to fix that'
17 [00:03:45] <H2Q> the methods I know, the commands I know give the same error
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19 [00:04:56] <somiaj> You have mixed packages built for ubuntu on debian, sometimes this just breaks things in ways that it is best to reinstall.
20 [00:05:17] <H2Q> where did you see it? I never installed something that was meant for ubuntu
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24 [00:05:53] <somiaj> We can really only give you blanket advise. 1) Reinstall, 2) Track down each and every package that has unmet dependencies and manually deal with it (either force remove it, or figure out what the dependency is and try to install it, and rense/repeate)
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26 [00:06:08] <ksk> he did installed third party mysql packages though, and now everything is borken. dont bother ;)
27 [00:06:15] <somiaj> I see you have packages like mysql-client-5.7_5.7.27-0ubuntu0.18.04.1_amd64.deb and libmysqlclient18_1%3a10.1.41+maria-1~bionic_amd64.deb, those are made for ubuntu.
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29 [00:06:48] <H2Q> ksk you may not bother. actually I wish you dont
30 [00:07:03] <somiaj> again someone really verse in debian might be able to fix it (we won't and don't support third party for this reason -- among many). But often times a clean install is the best fix to ensure no artifacts are floating around.
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33 [00:07:50] <somiaj> though most people who are really good at debian, know not to end up in a mess like this in the first place.
34 [00:08:09] <H2Q> blaming the asker is not help
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36 [00:08:58] <H2Q> template replies
37 [00:09:00] <H2Q> still
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40 [00:09:55] <H2Q> someone 'versed in debian', well-said
41 [00:10:07] <H2Q> the rest is waste of time
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43 [00:10:45] <somiaj> we are not blaming you, but trying to help educate you on how to properly manage a debian machine. You got yourself in a bind, it sucks, a reinstall is by far the quickest and easiest fix.
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47 [00:11:38] <somiaj> the other fix you don't really have much support from #debian, but it as said requires you manually going through and fixing all the umet depends errors with dpkg and apt, and in either case could still leave artifacts on your system even if you did fix it.
48 [00:11:47] <somiaj> so our advise is reinstall
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51 [00:15:31] <abrotman> somiaj: already gone ..
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55 [00:19:46] <somiaj> ahh they snuck out, probably best
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76 [00:33:55] <H2Q> I solved it
77 [00:34:18] <H2Q> all by steps that every single one I talked to above knows
78 [00:34:27] <H2Q> all using comands that I posted
79 [00:34:33] <H2Q> 'reinstall it'
80 [00:34:34] <H2Q> yeah
81 [00:34:37] <H2Q> and you help
82 [00:34:37] <H2Q> sure
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84 [00:35:22] <abrotman> Well, guess they showed us ...
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93 [00:40:09] <mirko> why, when upgrading packages via apt/dpkg, some packages show me ncurses and some just console dialogs. those dialogs, e.g. when upstream config files changed, i have made changes to those locally and i'm being asked about what to do?
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110 [00:58:04] <ksk> mirko: interesting question - no Idea ;)
111 [00:58:31] <ksk> maybe ncurses is like "by package" and the other thing is coming from apt? just guessing here..
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113 [01:01:13] <mirko> ksk: hm :)
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175 [01:46:30] <skye0> i have a question which might not have an obvious answer - what do you think made MX Linux so popular recently?
176 [01:47:14] <abrotman> ask them?
177 [01:47:22] <abrotman> or ##linux perhaps
178 [01:47:40] <skye0> ok, thanks
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258 [02:40:13] <ClickTek> Any ParrotOS users here?
259 [02:40:23] <ksk> !based on debian
260 [02:40:23] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
261 [02:40:48] <ksk> !parrot
262 [02:40:48] <dpkg> Parrot Linux is a distribution based on <testing> for security experts, developers and privacy aware people. It is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Support can be found in #parrotsec on Freenode or the community pages replaced-url
263 [02:41:13] <ClickTek> I wasn't looking for support. But thanks for your being such a good lil soldier.
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267 [02:41:50] <ksk> !next
268 [02:41:50] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
269 [02:42:39] <ksk> ClickTek: If it was more about talking, try #debian-offtopic
270 [02:43:18] <ClickTek> @ksk gotcha, thanks
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285 [02:53:24] <meichthys> Would someone lend a helping hand? My proxmox server is halting on boot.
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287 [02:54:35] <meichthys> “/sbin/modprobe failed: q”
288 [02:54:53] <meichthys> *failed: 1
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290 [02:55:51] <meichthys> In the past I think I was able to get things going again by editing the grub boot file but I can’t seem to get to a console
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371 [03:49:36] <sponix> rtorrent is crashing one me, taking a big dump. recently went from the 5.3 backports kernel to the 5.4 one -- not sure this is the issue though
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378 [03:54:01] <sponix> this is what rtorrent dumped to my terminal -- please assist if possible replaced-url
379 [03:54:07] <sponix> !ssb
380 [03:54:07] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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522 [04:39:32] <sarthe> so urm... NetManager loads on boot, but does not actually connect properly until I login to X11. I need it to setup the 802.11 networking regardless if I login or not
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524 [04:40:06] <sarthe> I have 'auto eth1' in /etc/networking/interfaces
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527 [04:42:47] <sarthe> ..and yes, eth1 is not some wierd alias, it does mean the actual 802.11 device
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529 [04:43:43] <sarthe> as proven by /sbin/route -n when i log in
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531 [04:44:18] <dvs> Network Manager?
532 [04:44:42] <sarthe> 1080 ? 00:01:03 NetworkManager
533 [04:45:21] <dvs> Yeah, I'd comment out any reference to eth1 in the interfaces file. I think that stops NetworkManager from using it.
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536 [04:46:14] <sarthe> it definately doesnt... as explained above, NetworkManager is the only thing that figures out how to connect the 802.11 device to the internet
537 [04:47:10] <sarthe> I have not ever liked that thing, but if Debian cant figure it out itself, it's all I'm left with. I would rather fix this
538 [04:47:39] <dvs> I'd rather configure everything manually in the interfaces file myself.
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540 [04:47:56] <sarthe> manual is NOT AN OPTION. this is a laptop
541 [04:48:24] <sarthe> ...that moves and has to reconnect to different networks
542 [04:48:42] <dvs> That's what wpa-roam is for.
543 [04:49:31] <sarthe> sounds like another discusting version of NetworkManager...
544 [04:49:32] <sarthe> surge@animal:/opt/b/sam-backup$ apt-cache search wpa-roam
545 [04:49:32] <sarthe> surge@animal:/opt/b/sam-backup$
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547 [04:49:52] <sarthe> oh, oops wrong system... hang on...
548 [04:50:20] <dvs> it's a mode in wpasupplicant
549 [04:50:37] <sarthe> (actually that was from a very recent version anyway)
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554 [04:51:51] <sarthe> for what reason can the default Debian /etc/init.d/networking not figure out how to enable the interfaces properly? I'm pretty sure I've done it in the past, but it was a long time ago
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571 [05:04:56] <sarthe> surge@sam:~$ sudo apt-get install wpasupplicant
572 [05:04:56] <sarthe> Reading package lists... Done
573 [05:04:56] <sarthe> Building dependency tree
574 [05:04:56] <sarthe> Reading state information... Done
575 [05:04:56] <sarthe> wpasupplicant is already the newest version.
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578 [05:05:30] <sarthe> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
579 [05:05:34] <sarthe> ... I guess
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587 [05:09:56] <sarthe> hmm. thinking properly about it.. the local 802.11 network needs a password/"key". Where do I put that for non-X11 boots?
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590 [05:10:55] <sarthe> Perhaps that is the problem, because I'm pretty sure I typed the password in when I logged in to X11 once
591 [05:11:28] <dvs> That's the user (linux) password, not the WiFi password.
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594 [05:13:37] <sarthe> nope, im not saying what they were (obviously), but they were different - NetworkManager asked we for a password once i actively selected the radio network & tried to logged in
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596 [05:14:31] <sarthe> for this LOCAL network ONLY, i want it to have the wpa key/password and do it automatically
597 [05:15:18] <sarthe> ...without logging in
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599 [05:16:33] <sarthe> (mainly because laptop keyboard suck, and i'd rather use my workstation one :P)
600 [05:17:47] <sarthe> ...ugh alot of spelling mistakes, sorry
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682 [06:21:12] <celphi> Hi room. Someone help with my problem?
683 [06:21:34] <surge> the problem being...?
684 [06:21:51] <surge> we cant read minds
685 [06:22:07] <toruvinn> the problem is nobody can read my mind ;-(
686 [06:22:20] <JackFrost> Sounds like a solution.
687 [06:22:43] <surge> now there are 2 problems...
688 [06:22:59] <celphi> replaced-url
689 [06:23:14] <celphi> Sorry had to get image
690 [06:23:30] <annadane> which debian release?
691 [06:23:39] <celphi> Kali Linux
692 [06:23:42] <annadane> !kali
693 [06:23:42] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
694 [06:23:48] <annadane> kali is NOT debian, don't use it as a desktop
695 [06:24:03] <annadane> replaced-url
696 [06:24:25] <celphi> Geez ok can someone actually look at problem
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698 [06:24:27] <surge> celphi, you ran out of disk space :P
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700 [06:24:39] <toruvinn> celphi, that said, "no space left on device" should give you a hint
701 [06:24:46] <surge> "No space left on device"
702 [06:24:49] <annadane> oh yeah, also that
703 [06:24:54] <celphi> Yes I see that in error
704 [06:24:54] <annadane> still... please don't run kali
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706 [06:25:02] <celphi> But I can’t just copy it over
707 [06:25:14] <celphi> My job requires me to use
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709 [06:25:48] <surge> there is no alternative. stop whining and get a bigger disk, or move it to a different partition
710 [06:25:52] <z8z> gnome alternative to vinagre which is super horrible?
711 [06:26:02] <toruvinn> celphi, if you need so much software perhaps it's time to either a) have a larger / or b) have a separate /usr
712 [06:26:07] <surge> you cant fabricate disk space out of thin air
713 [06:26:20] <celphi> Sdb6 has the space
714 [06:26:39] <celphi> So how do I move it over and not break stuff
715 [06:26:47] <celphi> Or not possible
716 [06:26:51] <surge> did you use dpkg or apt-get?
717 [06:26:57] <celphi> Apt get
718 [06:27:00] <surge> that photo misses it
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721 [06:27:32] <celphi> Apt get uninstall?
722 [06:27:41] <toruvinn> celphi, potentially possible; that's a lot of work. A LOT. including, like, moving your data somewhere else first because you're likely to lose it.
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725 [06:28:08] <celphi> So redo installation and do one partion
726 [06:28:09] <surge> hmm... for one thing its probably /usr that is overloaded, so even if you have 300trillion megablasts on another partition, standard apt will still put it in /usr
727 [06:28:15] <toruvinn> for instance, gparted iirc allows you to resize partitions "in place", without losing data ("no guarantees" or something).
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729 [06:28:27] <toruvinn> that's the easy way. the harder way would be to do it on your own...
730 [06:28:32] <celphi> K
731 [06:28:40] <celphi> Thanks for the advice!!!
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733 [06:29:13] <toruvinn> the good thing is you have your / as an early-ish partition, so if you move other partitions after it further (by shrinking some of them or something), then you can just resize / and use resize2fs (if that's even ext2/3/4)
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735 [06:29:30] <surge> you dont know that
736 [06:29:40] <toruvinn> surge, i dont, but im assuming his ordering is sane
737 [06:29:47] <toruvinn> surge, likely created by the installer...
738 [06:29:52] <toruvinn> so it should be sane ;-)
739 [06:29:53] <celphi> Yup
740 [06:29:53] <surge> oh wait... you do.. i didnt notice the df -h after. sorry
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742 [06:30:16] <toruvinn> surge, well the sdxN doesnt mean crap, you can have partition 2 start before partition 1 anyway.
743 [06:30:18] <surge> 'df'... whatever
744 [06:30:21] <celphi> Anyhow going to simply redo install
745 [06:30:28] <celphi> Thnx ppl
746 [06:30:30] <toruvinn> surge, yeah, first thing i spotted was lack of -h ;-D
747 [06:30:40] <toruvinn> i think it even stands for "Human readable". use -h!
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749 [06:30:45] <surge> celphi, give more space to / or /usr this time
750 [06:30:49] <toruvinn> celphi, that'll make it faster if you dont have any data there yet
751 [06:31:00] <toruvinn> i kinda like having /usr and / on one partition. makes some boot scripts easier.
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753 [06:31:11] <toruvinn> the whole "don't assume /usr is mounted yet" is meh.
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756 [06:32:01] <surge> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
757 [06:32:02] <surge> /dev/hda1 8.7G 5.4G 2.9G 66% /
758 [06:32:02] <surge> tmpfs 506M 0 506M 0% /lib/init/rw
759 [06:32:02] <surge> udev 10M 704K 9.4M 7% /dev
760 [06:32:02] <surge> tmpfs 506M 0 506M 0% /dev/shm
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764 [06:32:49] <toruvinn> welp
765 [06:32:51] <toruvinn> that went well
766 [06:32:58] <surge> ah well. dunno how much you got of that, but its from a reaaaaly old version. recent ones need at least 2x as much
767 [06:33:08] <toruvinn> i like your "/dev/hda1"
768 [06:33:13] <toruvinn> it is REALLY Old version ;-)
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770 [06:33:18] <surge> :) yup
771 [06:33:25] <surge> "lenny"
772 [06:33:32] <toruvinn> and a pata drive ;-)
773 [06:33:44] <toruvinn> some of those were immortal
774 [06:34:15] * toruvinn is a huge fan of re-using old hardware
775 [06:34:17] <toruvinn> i hate waste.
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777 [06:34:29] <toruvinn> the only problem is that it often consumes a lot of electricity for the same amount of work :-(
778 [06:34:40] <toruvinn> otherwise who'd need RPi anyway
779 [06:35:12] <surge> IBM disks both shitty ata and scsi ones are pretty much immortal
780 [06:35:29] <toruvinn> they are.
781 [06:35:32] <surge> sadly, they are made by fujutsu now... and quality is debatable
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784 [06:35:43] <jm_> except if they were from the "right" series :)
785 [06:35:44] <toruvinn> they can also hurt people if they fall from more than 10cm height
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787 [06:35:56] <toruvinn> particularly the scsis
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789 [06:36:14] <surge> ?
790 [06:36:50] <surge> my fujitsu scsi drives in a SUNpack couldnt hurt more than a rat... maybe...
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801 [06:41:48] <toruvinn> the old drives i used to play with weighted... a lot.
802 [06:41:48] <surge> i do have some older 1/2 height ones you could kill people with, but ...
803 [06:41:49] <surge> theyre only about 30Gb
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816 [06:42:14] <surge> oh shit! i just looked at a disk, its hitachi, not fujitsu....
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818 [06:42:49] <surge> IIRC IBM sold the disk manufacturing to fujitsu, who then offloaded it to hitachi
819 [06:43:15] <surge> during which all that IBM -> lenovo crap happened :/
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833 [06:47:21] <epsilon> actually IBM -> Hitachi (HGST) -> WD (still producing as HGST)
834 [06:47:39] <surge> Western Digital? NO WAY?
835 [06:48:07] <surge> they make the even crappier disks than Seagate
836 [06:49:10] <toruvinn> yeah WD sucks
837 [06:49:19] <toruvinn> luckily HGST is still separate brand, kinda
838 [06:49:28] <toruvinn> i actually do buy hgsts
839 [06:49:44] <toruvinn> they tend to be slightly more expensive, but they dont die randomly like WDs
840 [06:49:47] <epsilon> eh? I use WD black and red since years, I'm happy
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845 [06:50:10] <toruvinn> epsilon, i had unreadable sectors appear and disappear (current pending sector) on wds all the time.
846 [06:50:18] <toruvinn> when they disappeared, no reallocations happened
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848 [06:50:26] <toruvinn> it just "started working" again
849 [06:50:32] <toruvinn> i stay away from WDs
850 [06:50:43] <toruvinn> that's not the case with one drive, either, i had this on multiple.
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852 [06:51:35] <epsilon> don't care about pending sectore unless no grown defects / reallocation event
853 [06:52:03] <epsilon> If I start care about 1-2 pending on disks, I can't sleep anymore
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855 [06:53:56] <surge> unreadable sectors dissapearing means the firmware on the disk is backing up the sector and pretending it didnt happen.
856 [06:54:30] <surge> this is not a linux channel, but linux has software to read that information
857 [06:54:45] <surge> i suppose there are windos tools to do it too
858 [06:55:30] <oiaohm> toruvinn: there is quite a difference between WD different models in their controller boards.
859 [06:55:48] <surge> replaced-url
860 [06:56:38] <jm_> smartmontools works on windows too
861 [06:56:45] <surge> ...disks have a reserved area for this that is normally hidden.
862 [06:58:06] <surge> so... if you buy a random disk from china and look at the errata'd sectors, you can see how fucked up the disk is
863 [06:58:08] <surge> :{
864 [06:58:09] <toruvinn> surge, yes, that's why i mentioned reallocations.
865 [06:58:29] <toruvinn> surge, if pending sector disappears, however no reallocation happens according to smart data, i scratch my head.
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867 [06:59:03] <surge> odd...but the firmware... it doesnt HAVE to present what its doing to the O/S
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869 [06:59:41] <toruvinn> well, it's kinda like saying "the meat vendor can hide the fact this meat is rotten from you"
870 [06:59:42] <epsilon> beside that, there are not many companies left producing... WD/HGST, Seagate, Toshiba, that's all
871 [06:59:54] <toruvinn> also it doesnt exactly go to the o/s, but that's what smart attribs are for. ;-)
872 [07:00:05] <toruvinn> epsilon, maxtor doesnt have their own?
873 [07:00:30] <epsilon> maxtor... wasnt that -> Seagate decates ago?
874 [07:00:46] <surge> heh. yeah, maybe
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877 [07:01:09] <toruvinn> i have no idea tbh, i know that i still see some maxtor drives around here... and i would've sworn some of them were above at least 1tb
878 [07:01:16] <surge> blimey, you bring back memories of equally crappy disks on i486s
879 [07:01:16] <epsilon> samsung produced some 2.5", but they are all SSD now
880 [07:01:18] <toruvinn> which suggests "relatively recent" uhm
881 [07:01:39] <toruvinn> which reminds me, flash prices are going down so much ssds are getting pretty darn cheap nowadays
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883 [07:02:14] <oiaohm> toruvinn: just out of question the WD you had trouble with what class where they. replaced-url
884 [07:02:39] <oiaohm> The lower end models of WD don't have good vibration protections leading to some quite nasty issues.
885 [07:03:13] <toruvinn> oiaohm, hm they may have been greens. at least some of those.
886 [07:03:18] <toruvinn> so yeah, sounds reasonable.
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896 [07:08:26] <oiaohm> toruvinn: The WD HDD greens are no longer made. Because they turned out to be a lemon line. The varable speed shaft combind with no vibration control in board equals 100 percent screwed.
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901 [07:09:39] <toruvinn> oiaohm, pity, back in the day i kinda enjoyed that lower power consumption. in particular i had a ~30W server running on atom with those drives.
902 [07:10:23] <oiaohm> toruvinn: also note zero vibration control as in you were only meant to have 1 WD green drive per housing.
903 [07:10:49] <oiaohm> toruvinn: so you would have been running the drives well outside spec.
904 [07:10:57] <jm_> both red and purple are 5400rpm so power consumption should be about the same
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906 [07:11:56] <toruvinn> i think purples would be the ones i should've bought back then, except i think that was the time those didnt exist yet ;-)
907 [07:12:18] <oiaohm> jm_: red normally don't power down as agressively as greens but that also means reds don't generate their own vibration.
908 [07:12:41] <jm_> oiaohm: ahh I always disabled head offload on greens, helped a lot with durability
909 [07:13:01] <oiaohm> red slightly higher power usage more frinedly when you have more drives in a enclosure because of that.
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911 [07:14:48] <toruvinn> yeah i disabled that too, the default timer of what, 8s was ridiculous
912 [07:14:55] <jm_> indeed
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914 [07:15:29] <oiaohm> toruvinn: the purple was around in the time of wd green HDD. At the start they were white label with black text words "survellance hard drive" on them from WD.
915 [07:15:49] <oiaohm> Party way between the green time frame WD went colour coding mad
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917 [07:16:32] <oiaohm> Mostly because people were by mistake putting white survellance drives in places white data centre drives should have been going or the review.
918 [07:16:41] <oiaohm> review/reverse
919 [07:16:51] <oiaohm> What was very much bad thing happened.
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922 [07:19:39] <oiaohm> toruvinn: jm_ that rapid power down of greens was because they were really designed to be in a external drive caddy for system backup. And that you backup software would just run a hell load of data at time.
923 [07:19:47] <oiaohm> Not to be used as general drives. Lot of people attempted to use greens are general drives and they kind of screwed up.
924 [07:20:15] <jm_> heh worked OK for me :)
925 [07:20:21] <oiaohm> Its like people attempt to use SMR drives as general drives today and wondering why they have mega hell as well.
926 [07:20:53] <oiaohm> jm_: had you rubber grommeted all your drives to cancel out as much vibration as possible.
927 [07:21:41] <jm_> oiaohm: no, only my current case has that, but it has had HGST desktop drive only in it
928 [07:21:42] <oiaohm> There were ways and means to push greens fairly safely outside specs
929 [07:21:57] <oiaohm> But a lot of people did not do those steps and they either got lucky or bit badly.
930 [07:22:16] <oiaohm> I guess jm_ lucky?
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934 [07:23:23] <oiaohm> Put it this way wd greens were not as bad as the maxtors when they decided to use glue instead of solder and 90 percent of the chips on the controller board fell off.
935 [07:23:52] <oiaohm> Because we had a 45 C day.
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938 [07:25:26] <oiaohm> jm_: also remember you were changing the drives from their default settings.
939 [07:25:44] <jm_> I was aware they were not a replacement for desktop drives, but I accepted the risk
940 [07:26:32] <oiaohm> I still remember the demo that sound could slow down harddrive performance.
941 [07:26:49] <oiaohm> with NAS class drives.
942 [07:26:58] <oiaohm> But with lower grades you got bad reads.
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983 [07:49:08] <vlt> Hello. I have a line in /etc/crypttab and while booting the user is asked to enter a passphrase. Fine. But this line gets buried below distracting boot messages (even with "quiet" in /proc/cmdline), some of them written *after* the passphrase request. How can I make this better?
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990 [07:52:46] <themill> vlt: using a multiplexer like plymouth is recommended; it can be text-only or gui
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993 [07:53:19] <dk5225> anyone there??
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995 [07:53:30] <themill> no.
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1004 [08:01:51] <vlt> themill: Thank you, I'll have a look at plymouth.
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1007 [08:03:29] <themill> btw see /usr/share/doc/plymouth/README.Debian
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1037 [08:34:51] <samba35> i have setup basic bridge with ovs-vsctl add br and ovs-vsctl add-port to my nic
1038 [08:35:08] <samba35> and i have guest on kvm ,now how do i assing ip address to guest from host
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1046 [08:42:39] <jm_> replaced-url
1047 [08:43:04] <samba35> ok
1048 [08:43:30] <samba35> Thanks let me check
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1050 [08:44:32] <jm_> I simply created a bridge device (similar to how it's described on that page) and my guest has a static IP configured
1051 [08:45:25] <samba35> i am using openvswitch
1052 [08:46:29] <jm_> yeah sorry, I only looked at that in a different context, have no real experience with it
1053 [08:46:39] <samba35> but i think its should be same
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1055 [08:47:25] <samba35> let me try to connect guest with static ip
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1064 [08:51:54] <ksk> samba35: I suppose you either have some kind of dhcpd running on the host, or configure the guest manually.
1065 [08:52:45] <samba35> ok
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1067 [08:52:51] <jm_> yeah with my bridged setup our normal company wide DHCP server handles it just fine
1068 [08:53:33] <samba35> ok
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1096 [09:07:18] <vlt> themill: I'm using this for a live-build system where I don't know in advance what graphic card I need to support and will have to try a few settings. Thank you!
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1286 [11:24:09] <ksk> f8e3: replaced-url
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1288 [11:24:48] <ksk> I am using fluxbox, and firefox as browser - not that this is too important, but since you asked.. ;)
1289 [11:25:24] <ksk> choice of DE really comes down to what feature-set you desire
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1345 [12:08:21] <arthur-_> hey. I'm using "disk usage analyzer" to get the nice pie chart, but I'd like to use it ( or a similar tool ) to get the number of files instead of the space they take, in each folder. essentially trying to find which folders have a lot of files in them, no matter how big those files are
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1347 [12:08:29] <arthur-_> is that possible ? any idea hoz you'd go about it ?
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1349 [12:09:37] <Habbie> arthur-_, ncdu, then push c
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1351 [12:09:49] <arthur-_> oh nice I have ncdu open
1352 [12:09:49] <arthur-_> thanks
1353 [12:09:52] <arthur-_> trying it out
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1355 [12:10:33] <arthur-_> and C to sort, ok, really cool
1356 [12:10:42] <Habbie> oh indeed
1357 [12:10:51] <arthur-_> I did look at the ncdu help menu but didn't realize that's what they meant by "items"
1358 [12:10:53] <arthur-_> thanks a ton
1359 [12:10:55] <Habbie> np!
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1395 [12:46:30] <b1ack0p> hi
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1397 [12:46:37] <b1ack0p> i installed debian without gui
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1399 [12:47:01] <b1ack0p> i added non-free to sources.list and installed intel wifi driver
1400 [12:47:08] <b1ack0p> wifi suppose to be working now
1401 [12:47:16] <b1ack0p> but i dont know how to connect wifi in command line
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1407 [12:51:04] <kopper> b1ack0p: The answer is one web search away.
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1409 [12:51:24] <b1ack0p> kopper: you are very helpful
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1412 [12:53:23] <ratrace> b1ack0p: you can use /etc/network/interfaces to set it up: replaced-url
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1416 [12:54:00] <ratrace> b1ack0p: you don't need to configure wpa_supplicant directly, the interfaces(5) framework will do so ad hoc
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1418 [12:58:12] <jm_> you can also use nm from tty using nmtui
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1467 [13:35:32] <ssarah> Hi guys, what's the way now to create custom services on debian?
1468 [13:35:45] <ssarah> here at the company they are telling to create a init.d file
1469 [13:35:46] <ksk> ssarah: create a systemd unit file.
1470 [13:36:07] <ksk> systemd can also handle a fallback to init.d files, but, eh!?
1471 [13:37:11] <ksk> if you want turing completness and all the nice things (irony?) that come with that, go ahead creating a init.d file. On the other hand it would be suboptimal to use a systemd unit file, if the company does not know how to support/debug that
1472 [13:37:28] <jelly> there's little reason to be writing a new init script from scratch
1473 [13:37:50] <colo-work> writing a _good_ SysV init-script is VERY hard. writing a _bad_ systemd unit file is quite hard, too.
1474 [13:38:06] <colo-work> so you should go for a systemd service unit file, if that is an option
1475 [13:38:09] <jelly> maybe if you need to support non-systemd systems in addition to systemd ones
1476 [13:38:25] <colo-work> yeah, but even then, you should not be lazy, and provide both
1477 [13:38:44] <colo-work> because whenever systemd wraps an init-script, God kills a kitten :(
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1479 [13:39:05] <jelly> it's easy to write a bad, suboptimal systemd unit that does not work as you want it to. But there's lots of infrastructure in place to avoid that.
1480 [13:39:11] <colo-work> (systemd-sysv-generator in particular)
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1482 [13:39:33] <colo-work> jelly, that's mostly the case when/if you try to be clever, but really aren't
1483 [13:40:28] <jelly> or if you misunderstand which options are suitable for services that are run-once, run-forever or run-forever-in-foreground
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1488 [13:41:12] <colo-work> yes. but that's a LOT less to understand than for when authoring an init-script
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1492 [13:41:40] <jelly> I'd say a person that can write a proper unit can also write a proper init script.
1493 [13:41:57] <jelly> but the former will be more succint and less prone to dumb errors.
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1499 [13:46:28] <f8e3> does deb10 have cryptsetup && lvm2 installed per default, (on deb9 i had to instll by adding main contrib non-free, then apt install), so does deb10 need internet for this?
1500 [13:47:14] <jelly> f8e3: no. They're only going to be installed if you chose to use cryptsetup and lvm at installation time.
1501 [13:47:38] <jelly> f8e3: both are in main, normal repo, no need to add contrib or non-free.
1502 [13:47:50] <f8e3> does the new liveusvb hve it (an i modify it somehow in a simple way)
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1509 [13:50:57] <b1ack0p> hi
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1512 [13:55:05] <f8e3> where to find the debian-live-9 images, replaced-url
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1514 [13:56:41] <f8e3> jelly: it does have cryptsetup but not lvm2 right? replaced-url
1515 [13:57:39] <f8e3> yet i found some debian-live-10.2.0-amd64-xfce.contents: /pool/main/l/lvm2/* ?
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1519 [14:02:29] <ssarah> thanks guys
1520 [14:02:36] <jelly> f8e3: what's already installed in the live image when it boots, and what's available as packages for the installer component, are two different things
1521 [14:02:52] <jelly> I don't know what's ready to use in live.
1522 [14:03:16] * jelly uses grml.org as live image for recovery purposes
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1532 [14:06:15] <yuriii> Hi!
1533 [14:06:17] <yuriii> Does apt actually enforce package dependency versions specified in debian/control?
1534 [14:06:36] <yuriii> Say I have Depends: php (>= 7.2)
1535 [14:07:23] <yuriii> When I install my package on stretch, apt pulls php7.0 as dependency.
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1537 [14:08:31] <ksk> Depends are not optional, apt would tell you "I cannot resolve that" and not download/install anything imho.
1538 [14:08:57] <yuriii> That's what I thought.
1539 [14:10:00] <Tuor> Hi, how are script in /etc/init.d/ interpreted on a Debian 8 with systemd? I copied a script from an older system to the debian 8 (yes I know this is also old) and on the debian 8 it didn't work. I figured out, that (( ... )) is not supported. So I'm asking my self, how are this scripts interpreted when not with bash?
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1541 [14:11:05] <yuriii> If I depend on php7.2 explicitly, then it works.
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1543 [14:11:54] <yuriii> But that's part of the package name and not the version.
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1545 [14:13:23] <Tuor> and [[ is not possible to.
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1553 [14:16:58] <ayekat> Tuor: does the init script have a shebang? (first line in the file, starting with #!…)
1554 [14:17:01] <jelly> Tuor: each is interpreted with the interpreter listed in the first line, and that line ought to begin with #!
1555 [14:17:35] <Tuor> Ah that was the right hint!
1556 [14:17:45] <jelly> Tuor: however, if you're using [[ in the script, and the script starts with #!/bin/sh, then that script is WRONG :-)
1557 [14:18:14] <Tuor> on the old system /bin/sh did point to /bin/bash and the new system /bin/sh is dash
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1559 [14:18:59] <ayekat> yeah, it appears bash accepts some bashisms, even if invoked as /bin/sh
1560 [14:19:06] <Tuor> I'm honestly not really aware of what is bash (only) and what is ash/dsh... I generelly write bash and on the old system I didn't fail because it was bash.
1561 [14:19:11] <edlou> sorry , any conky fanatics in here?
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1563 [14:19:38] <ayekat> edlou: this is now the second distro channel where you ask that instead of asking your question directly
1564 [14:19:40] <jelly> Tuor: that's just fine, but then your script needs to have a #!/bin/bash
1565 [14:19:54] <Tuor> I didn't think about (( and [[ being bashism. Because [[ is also in ash, but probably not in dsh.
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1567 [14:20:01] <Tuor> jelly: OK.
1568 [14:20:17] <qman__> Tuor: replaced-url
1569 [14:20:21] <ayekat> well, [[ is certainly not POSIX
1570 [14:20:28] <edlou> ayekat: sometimes easier to ask vaguely so i can send pm instead of 20 people getting upset, or one that says nothing in one chat then gets upset in another :P
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1573 [14:21:10] <ayekat> edlou: on IRC channels, it's less annoying to simply ask the question right away
1574 [14:21:18] <jelly> !anyone
1575 [14:21:18] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
1576 [14:21:20] <jelly> !ask
1577 [14:21:25] <b1ack0p> can somebody help me to set up wifi connection on commandline please?
1578 [14:21:47] <b1ack0p> i will install another laptop after this one
1579 [14:21:57] <Tuor> qman__: thx
1580 [14:21:59] <ratrace> b1ack0p: did my suggetion with wiki link from before, not work?
1581 [14:22:11] <b1ack0p> ratrace: which one?
1582 [14:22:32] <b1ack0p> i installed debian without GUI this time so i cannot open links i guess
1583 [14:22:32] <ratrace> b1ack0p: replaced-url
1584 [14:22:50] <ratrace> b1ack0p: there's a text-only links/lynks browser
1585 [14:23:02] <b1ack0p> let me try
1586 [14:23:18] <edlou> ayekat: replaced-url
1587 [14:24:09] <edlou> i've updated the config to the new lua, removed outdated options, tried changing font size and type, not sure what does this
1588 [14:25:22] <ayekat> I don't know (I don't use conky), but I believe knowing what's in the config file would help
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1592 [14:28:04] <edlou> if any of you out there who actually use conky dont mind me picking your brain, id love to message you :(
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1596 [14:28:41] <ayekat> ... or you could just paste your config file, so people can actually help you
1597 [14:28:58] <edlou> its the exact config i posted
1598 [14:29:23] <ayekat> edlou: where? I only see two screenshots
1599 [14:29:24] <edlou> nothing changed really, it just displays like imgur, not fluid and with the spacing
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1601 [14:30:23] <edlou> yeah, the deviantart is source and the imgur is my desktop, and using this for referencing replaced-url
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1604 [14:30:44] <ayekat> edlou: no, I mean - please paste your conkyrc somewhere
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1606 [14:31:24] <Tuor> works like a charm.
1607 [14:31:39] <edlou> Tuor: what is your resolution ?
1608 [14:31:58] <Tuor> #!/bin/bash instead of #!/bin/sh
1609 [14:32:17] <Tuor> now it's not dependent on /bin/sh being an alias to bash.
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1617 [14:42:21] <b1ack0p> it doesnt work :/
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1625 [14:44:34] <themill> ,v php
1626 [14:44:35] <judd> Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; bullseye: 2:7.3+69; buster: 2:7.3+69; sid: 2:7.3+69
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1629 [14:45:22] <themill> yuriii: ^^ see the version is prepended by a 1: -- all versions beginning with 1: are bigger than versions beginning with 0: (or without an epoch)
1630 [14:45:26] <themill> !version epoch
1631 [14:45:27] <dpkg> The version number of a package has a prepended number called the "epoch". It is only added when the system for upstream version numbers changes. Example: in sarge, X was version 6.8 but in etch it was 1.1 (xfree86->xorg). But 1 < 6, so we add an epoch "2:" to signify that everything with 2: is newer (if there is no : the epoch is assumed to be "0"). See section 5.6.12 of <policy> or ask me about <compare versions> <debian revision>.
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1669 [15:10:37] <yuriii> themill: OMG! I completely forgot about epoch! Thanks!
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1682 [15:16:11] <glick> hi are there any m.2 wifi cards that work with FOSS drives?
1683 [15:16:23] <glick> so i dont have to use nonfree repos to get to work?
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1688 [15:17:46] <joepublic> look for atheros chipset
1689 [15:17:56] <tomreyn> FOOS drivers is one thing, most of the time you still need non-free firmware blobs
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1691 [15:18:01] <tomreyn> *FOSS
1692 [15:18:12] <joepublic> atheros chipset does not require nonfree firmware
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1694 [15:18:34] <joepublic> i actually have such a card here
1695 [15:18:51] <joepublic> bought it for my laptop, which refuses it as not being on its whitelist
1696 [15:18:53] <tomreyn> so i was saying "most of the time"
1697 [15:18:54] <colo-work> I'm not sure you can find those (ath9k) chips on m.2 cards, though
1698 [15:18:59] <glick> so any atheros based m.2 card should work?
1699 [15:19:11] <colo-work> joepublic, if it's a thinkpad or IBM device, there might be firmware patches for that
1700 [15:19:22] <joepublic> glick, yes.
1701 [15:19:32] <glick> the x250 doesnt have whitelists as far as i recall
1702 [15:19:39] <joepublic> firmware patch?
1703 [15:19:57] <colo-work> joepublic, user-modified firmware images that have the whitelist extended/patched out
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1705 [15:20:18] <colo-work> you flash those as your "BIOS", and the laptop will boot with your non-whitelisted wifi card installed
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1712 [15:23:48] <glick> so this would work with no problem or non free code in linux? AR5BXB63
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1728 [15:31:00] <_divzero> Hey all, new to debian and still working things out - I've got 10.2 installed and have set up buster-backports as a source. I had a crack at installing kernel 5.4 which seemed to install OK and boots to a tty but gnome x doesn't come up (Im on a nvidia card) before I start digging further in, am I missing something obvious?
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1731 [15:32:28] <mtn> have you tried reinstalling the nvidia driver?
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1734 [15:33:13] <_divzero> mtn: Not as yet - do I need to do it explicitly? Id have thought DKMS should be taking care of it right?
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1737 [15:33:43] <mtn> I would think so, too, but it may be a good idea to try reinstalling it. see if it helps ;)
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1740 [15:34:48] <_divzero> Ill give it a crack! Not sure if wifi starts if gnome hasnt come up though?
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1785 [16:05:42] <Deihmos> how do you install standard system utilities if it wasn't selected at install
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1796 [16:08:32] <Deihmos> when I launch tasksel it no longer has that option. It has laptop but this is a desktop
1797 [16:08:47] <aphorise> On boot_command - is there a an escape code to clear a line - trying to have '<tab>','<clear_line>' - instead of a bunch of <bs><bs> to achieve the same effect?
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1825 [16:19:33] <joepublic> Deihmos, try running tasksel --new-install
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1834 [16:26:18] <Deihmos> that's it thanks
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1840 [16:29:07] <joepublic> :)
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1842 [16:29:41] <glick> anyone have a lenovo x250?
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1855 [16:35:56] <petn-randall> glick: Probably meany people. It's best if you ask your actual support question.
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1859 [16:39:01] <tachikomas> glick: a 230 but maybe its close enough to answer your question :)
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1897 [17:03:14] <Akuw> i have an automated usb stick installation
1898 [17:03:27] <Akuw> but how can i modify to add new packages?
1899 [17:03:43] <Akuw> because actually its read only
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1923 [17:25:15] <f8e3> anyone using yubikey? heard of issues or good integration on deb10 maybe? replaced-url
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1931 [17:27:38] <b1ack0p> sup
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1936 [17:28:41] <RadoS> Re-Hi, anyone have seen non-security updates for packages within the last 10days?
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1938 [17:29:05] <b1ack0p> i had some lib.. updates
1939 [17:29:23] <annadane> those are probably security updates
1940 [17:29:33] <b1ack0p> no idea :p
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1942 [17:29:47] <RadoS> Where did the non-security updates go?
1943 [17:30:06] <annadane> post your sources list?
1944 [17:30:09] <annadane> !tell RadoS about paste
1945 [17:30:22] <annadane> updates in debian are pretty rare anyway
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1947 [17:30:58] <greycat> They didn't "go" anywhere. What makes you think there is a problem?
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1950 [17:31:21] <RadoS> annadane, exactly... but this is "new" with the latest stable, right? Because unless I'm mistaked, with previous release software updates without security triggers happened quite regularly (like 3-5 per week).
1951 [17:31:49] <RadoS> greycat, picking up from yesterday.
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1955 [17:32:31] <annadane> well, i'm not sure. quite a lot of software i use doesn't have non-security updates, it's hard for me to really know
1956 [17:32:48] <annadane> it's things like vlc, and... i can't think of anything else off the top of my head
1957 [17:33:04] <annadane> emacs gets some backported fixes
1958 [17:33:14] <greycat> !proposed-updates
1959 [17:33:14] <dpkg> stable-proposed-updates is a repository containing packages being prepared for the next <point release>. While they have already been, your additional testing is most welcome prior to wider release. replaced-url
1960 [17:33:27] <greycat> Maybe there just *aren't* *any*.
1961 [17:33:30] <greycat> This is GOOD.
1962 [17:33:42] <annadane> stretch having more doesn't necessarily mean there's problems within buster
1963 [17:33:46] <greycat> It means nothing is broken. Or at least, nothing is broken enough to need a point-release fix.
1964 [17:34:11] <annadane> also, we're still relatively early in the buster release cycle, so it could still happen i guess
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1966 [17:35:05] <jelly> RadoS: if you're using a stable release 3-5 updates without security implications, from Debian's official repos, would be HIGHLY unusual.
1967 [17:35:07] * RadoS must read more about "point-release".
1968 [17:35:20] <jelly> 3-5 updates a* week*
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1970 [17:35:53] <jelly> RadoS: I suggest installing apt-listchanges.
1971 [17:35:58] <jelly> !apt-listchanges
1972 [17:35:59] <dpkg> apt-listchanges is a tool that displays NEWS.Debian file contents (default) and/or the changelogs of Debian packages before upgrading them (dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges). It is recommended for users of stable to install the apt-listchanges package, to see what is happening to their systems as security fixes are applied; it should be made _mandatory_ for users of testing and unstable. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listbugs>.
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1975 [17:37:24] <RadoS> Thanks for all the pointers, I guess I must better understand the meaning of "point-release"/ versioning & updating before making more judgements.
1976 [17:37:46] <joepublic> an apt plan.
1977 [17:37:50] <annadane> out.
1978 [17:38:16] <RadoS> Perhaps there is a update-policy/strategy document for this?
1979 [17:38:20] <RadoS> +n
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1986 [17:44:02] <jhutchins_wk> We seem to be in a period where applications are cranking out major version updates - MySQL, PHP, Tomcat, Java - faster than the attempt to have a stable distribution release cycle can handle.
1987 [17:44:19] <jhutchins_wk> ,v tomcat
1988 [17:44:20] <judd> No package named 'tomcat' was found in amd64.
1989 [17:44:45] <greycat> The solution to this is to ignore the new versions.
1990 [17:44:48] <annadane> the only thing i know in debian that's severely broken - other than perennially youtube-dl - is chromium
1991 [17:44:52] <greycat> And/or to ignore those applications.
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1993 [17:45:11] <joepublic> "stable" and "sns" are different things
1994 [17:45:16] <jelly> chromium and firefox-esr are exceptions that are already managed as such
1995 [17:45:29] <greycat> In the case of youtube-dl, which is a very special case indeed, the solution is to ignore the Debian package and use upstream only.
1996 [17:45:46] <annadane> yeah, but i said broken, not outdated. firefox-esr is less than ideal for some people due to some extensions not working, but chromium has had real problems
1997 [17:45:51] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Then there are the public service web sites that have to cover vulnerabilities that aren't fixed in older versions.
1998 [17:45:54] <annadane> (not a personal complaint; i don't use chromium)
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2000 [17:46:34] <annadane> and yes i'm well aware of youtube-dl's limitations. i don't use the debian package
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2002 [17:46:55] <joepublic> so I guess debian stable is the worst, except for all others.
2003 [17:47:18] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: anyone stupid enough to use tomcat/java deserves the pain. For PHP, well, enough suckers got roped in that I kinda feel bad for them.
2004 [17:48:21] <jelly> enough suckers got roped in java as well, it's pretty much the same situation, except java is actually a sane language
2005 [17:48:55] <joepublic> php's insanity can be endearing or frustrating, programmer's choice
2006 [17:50:38] <greycat> I know I'm biased, but from my point of view, the difference is that PHP stuck around long enough for a new stratum of actually useful things (mostly mediawiki) to depend on it, so now we're stuck with it.
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2012 [17:53:08] <jelly> there's no difference there. Lots of actually useful things written in java, usually on server frontends and backends.
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2018 [18:01:09] <ayekat> I prefer PHP mostly because it doesn't cause monitoring alerts to wake people up in the middle of the night because the jvm is freaking out again
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2022 [18:02:05] <jelly> jvm almost never freaks out on its own.
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2029 [18:07:07] <jelly> ,i service-wrapper
2030 [18:07:08] <judd> Package service-wrapper (java, optional) in buster/amd64: Jar daemon wrapper. Version: 3.5.30-1; Size: 183.7k; Installed: 506k; Homepage: replaced-url
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2033 [18:07:56] <jhutchins_wk> I think the most common problem I see with java is that the devs haven't throttled the RAM/CPU properly and it gets into a runaway condition.
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2036 [18:08:38] <jelly> which is why ops also put limits on their own.
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2041 [18:11:01] <greycat> I'm starting to gain more sympathy for the people who want https apt sources. Currently my workplace firewall is protecting me from installing bash-doc and dhex.
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2052 [18:15:29] <tomreyn> only starting? :-/
2053 [18:16:09] <greycat> Yeah. Most of them seem to want it because they're schizophrenic. That someone will "get them" if they reveal the packages they're downloading to "the bad guys".
2054 [18:16:17] <tomreyn> i've seen more than a couple of people affected by bad transparent proxy configs at their isps during those past months
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2060 [18:20:00] <tomreyn> i guess the info leak risk is rather minimal, can't think of many sceanrios where that'd pose a problem that's not already present by other means. there could be scenarios i'm missing. but i think the "someone tried to optimize traffic and failed and there is no way to tell them about it" problem is pretty real.
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2063 [18:21:03] <FuzzyByte> Can anyone suggest a newsreader for the commandline?
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2068 [18:22:17] <LtL> FuzzyByte: slrn
2069 [18:23:28] <FuzzyByte> LtL: Thank you. I tried newsboat, but it was not quite my think.
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2071 [18:23:35] <Akuw> how can i do "dpkg -l " but using a list of packages saved in a list
2072 [18:23:42] <FuzzyByte> thing
2073 [18:23:54] <LtL> FuzzyByte: you're welcome
2074 [18:24:15] <FuzzyByte> Akuw: write a script
2075 [18:25:28] <FuzzyByte> Akuw: parsethe file line by line, then pipe it to dpkg
2076 [18:27:01] <FuzzyByte> tldp has a great introduction to shell scripting
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2078 [18:27:53] <jelly> Akuw: dpkg -l accepts a list of package names, you are allowed to do eg: dpkg -l libc6 dpkg apt aptitude
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2080 [18:27:58] <ksk> some people would disagree on that FuzzyByte ;)
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2082 [18:28:21] <FuzzyByte> Well, for his purposes it would be fine, i< think
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2084 [18:28:39] <jelly> FuzzyByte: it's also needlessly complex
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2087 [18:29:41] <jelly> dpkg does not really accept things from a pipe on stdin (except for --set-selections, which is really specific functionality)
2088 [18:29:41] <dpkg> I think you lost me on that one, jelly
2089 [18:29:47] <FuzzyByte> Yes, then he could just separate it with spaces and pipe it through xargs. But your solution is prolly better, as I am not an expert.
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2092 [18:30:13] <FuzzyByte> jelly: So, what do you suggest?
2093 [18:30:16] <FuzzyByte> instead
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2096 [18:30:33] <joepublic> man sh?
2097 [18:30:39] <ksk> ah, I was wondering why I did not see the inital question. there is a reason.
2098 [18:30:47] <jelly> I just said it. Give package names as parameters.
2099 [18:30:49] <f8e3> can a sudo user make a coredump? eg of an appimage ram?
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2101 [18:31:20] <ksk> f8e3: if not limited, "a sudo user" can become root, so he can do as he wants.
2102 [18:31:33] <jelly> Akuw: what do first two lines of your file look like?
2103 [18:31:40] <ksk> f8e3: replaced-url
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2105 [18:31:57] <FuzzyByte> jelly: Yes, but he wanted something saved in a "list", which i interpreted as a newline separaqted file.
2106 [18:32:01] <f8e3> this is the memalloc replaced-url
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2108 [18:32:15] <jelly> Akuw: and also, what are you ACTUALLY trying to achieve by running dpkg -l package1 package2 package3 ... ?
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2110 [18:32:34] <FuzzyByte> jelly: I think he's inactive by now...
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2112 [18:33:25] <jelly> FuzzyByte: printf "libc6\ndpkg\napt\nbase-files\n" > tmpfile; dpkg -l $(cat tmpfile)
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2116 [18:35:48] <jelly> \n separated, no iteration, works just fine IF the file only has actual package names and not untrusted junk
2117 [18:36:05] <f8e3> ksk i have an appimage running, how to coredump the current memory?
2118 [18:36:46] <f8e3> (gdb) ./myappimage says: Undefined command: "". Try "help".
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2121 [18:39:10] <f8e3> in other words: linux how to make memdump of running process
2122 [18:39:38] <Akuw> jelly: i have to check specific packages installed
2123 [18:40:01] <Akuw> for x in $(cat list); do dpkg -l $x; done;
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2126 [18:40:13] <jelly> why would you do that
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2128 [18:40:25] <greycat> Akuw: replaced-url
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2130 [18:40:37] <greycat> Akuw: replaced-url
2131 [18:40:50] <jelly> Akuw: dpkg -l $(cat list) -- will call dpkg just once. The prequisite is to ONLY have valid package names in the file.
2132 [18:41:14] <Akuw> yes i have
2133 [18:41:15] <FuzzyByte> jelly: Does that matter? He has a question, he should get an answer.
2134 [18:41:22] <jelly> Akuw: which is why I asked you to show first two lines
2135 [18:41:34] <Akuw> ok
2136 [18:41:39] <greycat> "Why" is always a valid response when someone says they're doing something that is immediately seen as wrong.
2137 [18:41:41] <jelly> FuzzyByte: I _gave_ an answer.
2138 [18:41:44] <Akuw> no problem i run the comand and showed what i need
2139 [18:41:46] <Akuw> thanks
2140 [18:42:09] <FuzzyByte> jelly: I know,but you asked.
2141 [18:42:24] <FuzzyByte> jelly: Your answer was good.
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2143 [18:42:51] <jelly> it was qualified.
2144 [18:43:10] <jelly> "use this ONLY if your input file is sane in a very specific way"
2145 [18:43:40] <jelly> and they did not show whether their input file was sane, or not
2146 [18:43:53] <FuzzyByte> Yes.
2147 [18:45:25] <jelly> Akuw: it is somewhat frustrating to help if you're not showing the actual goal, and I suspect the actual goal is something more than "show statuses and versions of some specific packages in a computer-unfriendly way"
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2151 [18:47:20] <jelly> ,v keepassxc
2152 [18:47:22] <judd> Package: keepassxc on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 2.3.4+dfsg.1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.3.4+dfsg.1-1; bullseye: 2.4.3+dfsg.1-1+b1; sid: 2.4.3+dfsg.1-1+b1
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2161 [18:51:12] <sofastrangler> Am I the only one who has terrible performance with Krita, even with an appimage on vanilla debian? I've tried GIMP and it doesn't have such issues. Has there been any talk about this before here?
2162 [18:51:40] <wwilliam> Is there documentation how to set up multiwan using Debian? Please?
2163 [18:52:44] <sofastrangler> And I know it can run smoothly. Just unsure if this is a debian problem or a me problem. (To be clear, by performance I mean that brush strokes aren't instant while drawing with a wacom cintiq with it)
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2165 [18:53:59] <sofastrangler> (Kind of lags behind, EVEN the cursor when selecting and using the program)
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2174 [18:57:02] <jelly> sofastrangler: sounds like a driver issue, is that inside Gnome with wayland? What if you try a DE or WM that uses Xorg instead of Wayland, any difference?
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2176 [18:57:25] <b|ack0p> hi there
2177 [18:57:28] <jelly> like xfce or kde or whatnot
2178 [18:57:35] <b|ack0p> finally i connected to wifi from cli :p
2179 [18:57:44] <b|ack0p> i dont know how i did lol
2180 [18:57:51] <jelly> b|ack0p: nmtui ?
2181 [18:58:23] <b|ack0p> huh?
2182 [18:58:38] <b|ack0p> what s that? :p
2183 [18:58:58] <jelly> a thing to set up network from a terminal
2184 [18:59:05] <greycat> NetworkManager terminal user interface
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2186 [18:59:20] <b|ack0p> never heart
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2188 [18:59:49] <b|ack0p> i did something with wpa_supplicant
2189 [18:59:51] <b|ack0p> edited conf
2190 [18:59:55] <b|ack0p> and then connected
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2192 [19:00:09] <b|ack0p> probably not secure..
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2194 [19:00:22] <b|ack0p> there was actual password psk and encyripted psk
2195 [19:00:32] <b|ack0p> encyripted probably was showing incorrect
2196 [19:00:45] <b|ack0p> i commented out actual password then it worked
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2199 [19:01:04] <b|ack0p> another issue
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2201 [19:01:15] <b|ack0p> caps lock indicator led light doesnt work on cli why?
2202 [19:01:18] <FuzzyByte> You can use a network manager to do that for you.
2203 [19:01:23] <FuzzyByte> e.g. wicd
2204 [19:01:27] <FuzzyByte> b|ack0p:
2205 [19:01:41] <glick> anyone have an x230?
2206 [19:01:45] <b|ack0p> FuzzyByte: nmtui?
2207 [19:01:55] <glick> can it be made to work with linux?
2208 [19:01:55] <b|ack0p> glick: yes but collecting dust at home
2209 [19:02:03] <glick> including wifi?
2210 [19:02:04] <b|ack0p> glick: why not?
2211 [19:02:12] <b|ack0p> wifi card sucks a bit
2212 [19:02:20] <b|ack0p> it has intel 6205
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2215 [19:02:27] <jelly> glick: thinkpad x230?
2216 [19:02:28] <b|ack0p> i dont know why but it gave problem to me
2217 [19:02:30] <glick> yeah
2218 [19:02:42] <jelly> glick: it's reasonably safe to say "yes"
2219 [19:02:44] <glick> it has a whitelist so it cant be replaced
2220 [19:02:52] <b|ack0p> glick: i know
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2222 [19:03:01] <glick> so the wifi card wont work with linux?
2223 [19:03:06] <b|ack0p> it has very weak wifi connection
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2225 [19:03:34] <b|ack0p> glick: i didnt say not working i said it has weak wifi connectivity.. i dont know maybe problem was with my x230
2226 [19:03:44] <b|ack0p> not only on linux also window$ was same
2227 [19:03:51] <jelly> glick: if it doesn't work, it won't be because of debian in particular
2228 [19:04:01] <b|ack0p> ^^
2229 [19:04:07] <jelly> should work after firmware-iwlwifi is installed.
2230 [19:04:25] <b|ack0p> i tried ubuntu and no problem at all
2231 [19:04:35] <b|ack0p> i am sure debian will work fine on it
2232 [19:04:36] <sofastrangler> jelly: I could try that, thanks! I'm using plasma with the Kwin window manager. Sounds like a good idea (been trying a 100% libre software run, and sounds correct with regards that I'm missing some firmware stuff because of DRM on graphics card, just weird that it works perfectly with other programs)
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2234 [19:04:59] <glick> using nonfree wifi drivers :(
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2236 [19:05:12] <jelly> sofastrangler: mm. kde and plasma are running on Xorg already. Maybe you can try gnome and wayland for a change :-)
2237 [19:05:45] <sofastrangler> Jelly: Yeah
2238 [19:06:00] <jelly> sofastrangler: oh, depending on the gpu 3D and compositing functionality won't work well or at all, without non-free firmware
2239 [19:06:08] <b|ack0p> glick: me too
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2241 [19:06:39] <jelly> sofastrangler: it's possible the GUI is running with some parts unaccelerated if you're on 100% libre only sw
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2243 [19:07:02] <b|ack0p> any solution for caps lock indicator light on cli?
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2246 [19:08:33] <b|ack0p> it works fine until it gets to tty screen
2247 [19:08:39] <b|ack0p> but not on tty
2248 [19:08:44] <b|ack0p> why could it be?
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2250 [19:09:05] <greycat> you're saying it works during BIOS/Firmware POST and during GRUB but not once Linux boots?
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2252 [19:09:19] <b|ack0p> greycat: correct
2253 [19:09:19] <sofastrangler> Jelly: I see, having some issues was expected, I'll talk with someone on Krita about it as well. And going over to GIMP for a while doesn't seem like a bad idea either.
2254 [19:10:07] <b|ack0p> should install a missing driver or what?
2255 [19:10:17] <b|ack0p> maybe acpi?
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2280 [19:27:15] <sofastrangler> jelly: Hey, the Krita guys helped me with a fix! Canvas Graphics acceleration needed to be turned off, kind of like you mentioned with some parts being unaccelerated. Thanks for the help! IRC always makes my day :D
2281 [19:27:58] <jelly> yay!
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2292 [19:34:28] <garoto> is this empty file named '?' at the root of the filesystem expected somehow? -> replaced-url
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2296 [19:35:12] <greycat> Looks like a human-made error. Just remove it.
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2307 [19:38:15] <garoto> really weird, but just removed it
2308 [19:38:56] <garoto> can I also remove those symlinks `initrd.img.old` & `vmlinuz.old` or are they relevant?
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2310 [19:39:38] <greycat> If you don't understand the purpose of something, don't touch it. ESPECIALLY when it's not hurting anything.
2311 [19:39:51] <garoto> but I like it tidy
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2313 [19:40:27] <greycat> When you break it, we will not be able to help you fix it.
2314 [19:41:17] <jelly> garoto: are there no symlinks without .old in the name?
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2318 [19:43:32] <jelly> garoto: those used to be generated and updated on linux-image-* (linux kernel) package installation time, and useful for old boot loaders like lilo. if you only have .old symlinks on debian 9 or newer it should be pretty safe to remove them.
2319 [19:44:39] <garoto> ah ok thanks, this is Debian10. Was confused by the "are there no" bit in your sentence
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2322 [19:46:17] <jelly> apparently I like making things as complicated as possible.
2323 [19:46:41] <jelly> next time, at least three negatives
2324 [19:46:45] <garoto> :P
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2326 [19:47:19] <garoto> well, not a native english speaker, so there's that
2327 [19:47:19] <greycat> it isn't wrong to dislike chained negatives
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2361 [20:20:17] <f8e3> sudo is equiv in security to su, how to restrict sudo user foo if he has a simple password, can i set differetn sudo and user password for the same user foo?
2362 [20:20:23] <f8e3> this would solve it
2363 [20:20:45] <greycat> You don't base trust on the strength of an account's password. You base trust on the PERSON.
2364 [20:20:52] <Urchin> no, those two programs do different things
2365 [20:21:14] <greycat> If you trust Person Foo with root on your machine, allow them to use sudo freely. If you only trust them to do 3 things, then only allow them to do those 3 things.
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2367 [20:21:52] <f8e3> foo and su is both me. i type foo pasword a lot, i want to have a different (not stronger) password when using sudo / becoming su
2368 [20:22:04] <greycat> So you're clinically insane. Bye.
2369 [20:22:29] <f8e3> anyone sane willing to answer?
2370 [20:22:51] <ksk> setup a second user, sudo to that one. than sudo su.
2371 [20:22:54] <ksk> (not)
2372 [20:23:27] <f8e3> imagine keylogger, i jsut try to reduce the amoutn that can be logged over time, it reduces exporsure significantly
2373 [20:23:42] <ksk> f8e3: check man sudo maybe? I dont think there is a way - also, if the cat says so, you can believe him..
2374 [20:23:50] <greycat> dpkg, sudo su is <reply>Typing "sudo su" is like typing "cat file | cat". If you want a non-login shell as root, just use "sudo -s". If you want a login shell, "sudo -i". There's no need to run two different superuser-elevation programs chained back to back.
2375 [20:23:51] <dpkg> okay, greycat
2376 [20:24:04] <ksk> it would make totally no difference if you had a keylogger, since both passwords would be logged.
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2378 [20:24:23] <ksk> haha. thanks greycat.
2379 [20:24:24] <annadane> but what if you want to give your cat root privileges?
2380 [20:24:37] <greycat> What makes you think she doesn't already have 'em?
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2385 [20:27:41] <f8e3> correct, yet doing a filedump over time T and having one pw typed 100x, while another one once reduces identification of being one (a lot)
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2387 [20:28:11] <f8e3> there might be no logger during the entire T but only subset, capturing high probility 100x typed, but not the once typed one
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2389 [20:28:28] <ksk> would you not thing, something that is a "secure password" would be easy to spot in contrast to, lets say, irc talk?
2390 [20:28:30] <f8e3> maybe need to rethink how to do this on debian
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2394 [20:30:13] <ksk> eh, think*. really should google up my swapping of same-sounding letters - maybe its a disease of sorts :X
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2397 [20:31:10] <f8e3> * runs away not feeding todays trolls
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2413 [20:42:58] <byrd> What's up bois
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2416 [20:43:47] <OS-52350> n #offsec
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2428 [20:49:05] <jhutchins_wk> f8e3: Sudo allows permiting and logging specific commands, although most people just allow the equivalent of root.
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2432 [20:51:00] <usrdev> hello! when using cloud-based images on proxmox. would it be an issue utilizing generic cloud, or would it be more wise to download the net-install image and create a template based on that?
2433 [20:51:11] <greycat> !proxmox
2434 [20:51:11] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
2435 [20:51:26] <usrdev> yes. i get that.
2436 [20:51:31] <usrdev> i am asking about debian images.
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2438 [20:51:40] <usrdev> if you aren't actually on a cloud. which image would be best to utilize?
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2441 [20:53:42] <jhutchins_wk> !ig
2442 [20:53:42] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at replaced-url
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2444 [20:54:24] <usrdev> lol... ;)
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2447 [20:55:17] <b1ack0p> can somebody please guide me to set proper wifi connection on cli)
2448 [20:55:18] <b1ack0p> ?
2449 [20:55:27] <b1ack0p> it is gone after i rebooted
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2455 [20:56:56] <ksk> b1ack0p: replaced-url
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2458 [20:57:01] <ksk> configure via e/n/i?
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2460 [20:57:26] <ksk> replaced-url
2461 [20:57:50] <jhutchins_wk> b1ack0p: Which desktop environment?
2462 [20:58:07] <b1ack0p> jhutchins_wk: no de
2463 [20:58:10] <b1ack0p> just command line
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2465 [20:58:33] <b1ack0p> ksk: i read but there are some parts i dont understand
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2467 [20:58:57] <jhutchins_wk> b1ack0p: What specifically?
2468 [20:59:02] <jhutchins_wk> !network manager
2469 [20:59:02] <dpkg> NetworkManager is a network management framework daemon. See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian for setup instructions and ask me about <nm unmanaged>. replaced-url
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2471 [20:59:47] <b1ack0p> Now edit /etc/network/interfaces
2472 [20:59:55] <b1ack0p> wireless-essid [ESSID]
2473 [21:00:02] <b1ack0p> wireless-mode [MODE]
2474 [21:00:17] <b1ack0p> should i replace [ESSID] with actual network name?
2475 [21:00:25] <b1ack0p> and [MODE] ?
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2479 [21:01:19] <b1ack0p> it is confusing. there are many methods to connect?
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2481 [21:01:31] <b1ack0p> i tried with wpa_supplicants
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2492 [21:08:20] <jhutchins_wk> b1ack0p: This is why we point you to documentation rather than just telling you what to do.
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2494 [21:08:39] <jhutchins_wk> !wifi
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2496 [21:08:39] <dpkg> Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. replaced-url
2497 [21:09:17] <jhutchins_wk> b1ack0p: You need to know what the Access Point is configured for.
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2499 [21:10:04] <jhutchins_wk> b1ack0p: I siggested the NM approach because it detects some of the choices for you.
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2501 [21:10:33] <b1ack0p> if you tell me what [ESSID] stands for i will try to do
2502 [21:10:40] <b1ack0p> in interface config
2503 [21:10:48] <b1ack0p> should i write something there?
2504 [21:11:10] <b1ack0p> in /etc/network/interfaces
2505 [21:11:18] <b1ack0p> wireless-essid [ESSID]
2506 [21:11:28] <jhutchins_wk> Extended Service Set Identification
2507 [21:11:28] <b1ack0p> and wireless-mode [MODE]
2508 [21:11:44] <b1ack0p> i mean should i write something betweebn [] ?
2509 [21:11:48] <jhutchins_wk> b1ack0p: It's the name of your network.
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2511 [21:12:06] <b1ack0p> should i edit something in /etc/network/interfaces ?
2512 [21:12:36] <b1ack0p> i know name of my wifi connection
2513 [21:12:49] <b1ack0p> but i am not sure if i should edit that interfaces
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2518 [21:13:49] <jhutchins_wk> b1ack0p: That is the older, more traditional configuration method, originally only meant for wired connections. It's a good solid way to set up a permanent connection if your network never changes, but it requires you to read the docs and edit the file appropriately.
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2520 [21:14:41] <jhutchins_wk> b1ack0p: Network Manager is meant specifically to manage multiple WiFi (or wired) connections and is especially handy if you use more than one network (ie one at home and one at school).
2521 [21:15:11] <jhutchins_wk> b1ack0p: Interfaces configured in the interfaces file will not be managed by Network Manager.
2522 [21:15:49] <b1ack0p> ok then how can i use network manager?
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2524 [21:16:05] <b1ack0p> i try to install nmcli but it says unable to locate package nmcli
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2526 [21:16:35] <jhutchins_wk> b1ack0p: Look at the message at xx:59 from dmesg.
2527 [21:17:07] <jhutchins_wk> !nmcli
2528 [21:17:07] <dpkg> nmcli is a command line interface for controlling <NetworkManager>, introduced at version 0.8.1. See nmcli(1) or replaced-url
2529 [21:17:46] <jhutchins_wk> ,v nmcli
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2531 [21:17:47] <judd> No package named 'nmcli' was found in amd64.
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2533 [21:18:01] <greycat> ,file bin/nmcli
2534 [21:18:07] <judd> Search for bin/nmcli in buster/amd64: network-manager: usr/bin/nmcli
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2536 [21:18:22] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: That was my next guess.
2537 [21:18:38] <jhutchins_wk> b1ack0p: So if you have Network Manager installed, you already have nmcli.
2538 [21:18:54] <b1ack0p> ok
2539 [21:19:11] <b1ack0p> i need cable to install it..
2540 [21:19:26] <b1ack0p> how did i connect at first about 1 hr ago :S
2541 [21:19:48] <jhutchins_wk> b1ack0p: The installer can prompt you for connection info.
2542 [21:19:54] <Akuw> when there is for example package:i386 and package:amd64 how can i make posssible to install package for both architecture
2543 [21:20:07] <jhutchins_wk> !multiarch
2544 [21:20:07] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
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2546 [21:20:52] <spacebug^> oh, now I see that it is judd who answers ',v' questions. I tried in a query with dpkg. I was told to RTFM :D
2547 [21:20:59] <jhutchins_wk> b1ack0p: So you believe you do not have network-manager?
2548 [21:21:10] <greycat> comma is judd, bang is dpkg
2549 [21:21:18] <spacebug^> thanks, noted
2550 [21:21:34] <b1ack0p> jhutchins_wk: yes i beleive
2551 [21:21:45] <jhutchins_wk> spacebug^: judd is our debian database interface. (Not sure why the ju prefix.)
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2553 [21:21:57] <spacebug^> jhutchins_wk: ah ok
2554 [21:22:04] <greycat> very few human names contain UDD
2555 [21:22:06] <jhutchins_wk> b1ack0p: It might be on whatever medium you installed from.
2556 [21:22:15] <greycat> !judd
2557 [21:22:15] <dpkg> judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI ID and kernel config information. See replaced-url
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2559 [21:22:29] <b1ack0p> nmcli didnt work so i guess network-manager is not installed
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2561 [21:23:53] <Akuw> after run "dpkg --add-architecture i386" how can i check that both architectures are available to install? only apt-get update?
2562 [21:24:01] <Akuw> or there is another way
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2564 [21:24:32] <greycat> if there was no error message, it worked
2565 [21:24:37] <greycat> move on with your life. install something.
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2567 [21:25:38] <Akuw> yes, but i have doubts, one packge has both architectures, or diferent packages has diferent architectures?
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2569 [21:26:06] <greycat> do you even know HOW to use multi-arch? you install packages with :i386 appended to their names.
2570 [21:26:13] <greycat> apt-get install libc6:i386
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2572 [21:26:35] <Aebian> is there any extra logging to turn on in order to catch an issue where my bullseye install freezes? Cursor still moves but everything else is frozen. Only a restart seemed to help. DE is KDE and drive is LUKS encryoted. Only thing I found in the syslog was Resetting rcs0 for hang on rcs0 AND GPU recovery timed out, cancelling all in-flight rendering.
2573 [21:26:40] <Akuw> ok
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2575 [21:27:02] <Akuw> but, then there should be 2 .deb files ?
2576 [21:27:23] <greycat> In passing. Sure, there could be lots of .deb files, especially if you install something that has dependencies.
2577 [21:27:33] <jhutchins_wk> Aebian: I would verify the checksum of your iso image.
2578 [21:27:44] <greycat> If you use apt-get, the .deb files will remain in the cache. If you use apt, they will be removed.
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2580 [21:28:24] <quadrathoch2> Aebian, on what kernel version are you? (I am not using debian right now) but there were horrible intel ( and amd apu) issues on 5.4
2581 [21:28:43] <Akuw> after run that comand for add architecture and use "apt-cache search libc6" i got "libc6-i686 - GNU C Library: Shared libraries [i686 optimized]"
2582 [21:28:44] <greycat> they literally said bullseye in their question (which also means they're in the wrong place)
2583 [21:29:08] <greycat> Akuw: do you intentionally ignore everything I say just to make me angry?
2584 [21:29:16] <Akuw> no man
2585 [21:29:22] <Akuw> is one question
2586 [21:29:36] <Aebian> jhutchins_wk: checksum is fine, the image is the debian buster one, I just updated that install on my laptop to bullseye
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2588 [21:29:44] <Aebian> dvd image
2589 [21:29:49] <Akuw> i am searching for packges to see if there are 2 .deb files
2590 [21:29:50] <greycat> Install whatever i386 packages you felt a need to have, because presumably you did this multi-arch thing for some REASON.
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2592 [21:30:02] <greycat> Solve your actual problem.
2593 [21:30:39] <Aebian> quadrathoch2: 5.4.0-2-amd64
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2595 [21:31:00] <Akuw> i found this libc6_2.19-18+deb8u10_i386.deb
2596 [21:31:05] <quadrathoch2> Aebian, did you try to revert to the 5.3 kernel?
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2598 [21:31:18] <Aebian> didn't no
2599 [21:31:32] <Akuw> greycat: relax, or you will get a heart attack hehehehe
2600 [21:31:46] <greycat> Akuw: you're on oldoldstable, then. Yes, there is a package named libc6. YES, YOU SHOULD FREAKING INSTALL libc6. BUT NOT BY DOWNLOADING A .deb FILE.
2601 [21:31:48] <quadrathoch2> try to do that, as I still have no idea what hw you are running
2602 [21:31:48] <Akuw> greycat: i apreciate your help
2603 [21:31:49] <greycat> JEESZ.
2604 [21:32:15] <greycat> Oh wait, you're that idiot with the non-networked jessie boxes, aren't you.
2605 [21:32:18] <greycat> Back on /ignore you go.
2606 [21:32:29] <Akuw> greycat: the thing is the same, this host are using old versions because special requeriments of users
2607 [21:32:42] <Aebian> quadrathoch2: replaced-url
2608 [21:32:46] <Akuw> the host are not connected to network
2609 [21:32:51] <Aebian> that's my laptop where the issue is on
2610 [21:33:06] <Aebian> Akuw: mount a dvd?
2611 [21:33:19] <greycat> I am *not* going to handhold people who want to sneakernet .deb files onto a non-networked oldoldstable system.
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2613 [21:33:39] <Akuw> greycat: you are crazy man
2614 [21:33:54] <Akuw> Aebian: no, i am using local repo
2615 [21:34:08] <quadrathoch2> Aebian, so I would try to go kernel 5.3 or 5.5, just to see if it would fix your issues
2616 [21:34:31] <Aebian> I will try 5.5 and see, thanks
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2618 [21:35:11] <quadrathoch2> Aebian, if I remember correctly, my issues were fixed in 5.4.12, so don't know on which version bullseye is
2619 [21:35:14] <annadane> #debian sure is friendly :P
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2622 [21:35:32] <greycat> ,kernels
2623 [21:35:33] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.5.0-rc5-686 (5.5~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 5.4.0-3-686 (5.4.13-1); bullseye: 5.4.0-2-686 (5.4.8-1); buster-backports: 5.4.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.4.8-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-6-686 (4.19.67-2+deb10u2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2+deb10u2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports:
2624 [21:35:34] <judd> 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2~deb8u1)
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2626 [21:35:46] <greycat> bullseye may or may not currently be on 5.4.8
2627 [21:35:57] <greycat> the testing support channel may know more about it
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2633 [21:41:31] <Akuw> what is the diference between libc6:i386 and libc6-i386
2634 [21:42:09] <b1ack0p> nmcli installed now but cant configure
2635 [21:42:25] <b1ack0p> i did this : nmcli d wifi connect MYSSID password 12345678 iface wlan0
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2638 [21:43:18] <b1ack0p> it says unknown parameter to iface and wlp..
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2644 [21:46:50] <Aebian> quadrathoch2: I'm on 5.5 now, I will see how this goes :D
2645 [21:47:03] <quadrathoch2> Aebian, good luck :)
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2651 [21:52:41] <jhutchins_wk> ,v ansible
2652 [21:52:42] <judd> Package: ansible on amd64 -- jessie: 1.7.2+dfsg-2; jessie-security: 1.7.2+dfsg-2+deb8u2; stretch: 2.2.1.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.2.1.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 2.7.5+dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.7.7+dfsg-1; bullseye: 2.9.2+dfsg-1; sid: 2.9.2+dfsg-1
2653 [21:54:03] <b1ack0p> nmtui doesnt show wireless connections why?
2654 [21:54:07] <b1ack0p> even i edited
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2656 [21:54:35] <b1ack0p> it only shows wired
2657 [21:55:38] <b1ack0p> for hours i am trying this..
2658 [21:55:41] <b1ack0p> i am really tired
2659 [21:56:00] <b1ack0p> maybe i better get back to desktop gui
2660 [21:56:14] <b1ack0p> why everything so complicated i dont know
2661 [21:57:10] <quadrathoch2> b1ack0p, it's not that complicated, but there is a learning curve
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2663 [21:58:06] <b1ack0p> quadrathoch2: took my hours
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2666 [21:58:35] <quadrathoch2> b1ack0p, if you figure it out, later you need just seconds to configure it.
2667 [21:58:42] <b1ack0p> i am asking here but everybody sending me links to read. sorry but documentation is confusing
2668 [21:58:56] <b1ack0p> i have no idea what i am doing
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2670 [21:59:44] <quadrathoch2> b1ack0p, if you learn it yourself, it's way better, than people just giving you the few commands
2671 [22:00:17] <b1ack0p> i dont have time to read pages.. i just look for commands which can be helpful in documentation
2672 [22:00:42] <quadrathoch2> b1ack0p, that's your issue then
2673 [22:01:11] <quadrathoch2> if you don't have the time, do it the way you know. if you have time, just tinker around
2674 [22:01:35] <b1ack0p> i am trying to figure out what i can do about it
2675 [22:01:54] <b1ack0p> i tried wpa_supplicant -- connects but after reboot it is gone
2676 [22:02:06] <b1ack0p> i installed nmcli but i cant get it working
2677 [22:02:16] <b1ack0p> really i am pissed off
2678 [22:02:30] <quadrathoch2> if wpa_supplicant works for you, you just need to set it up that it works after a reboot. which shouldn't be the worst issue
2679 [22:02:40] <b1ack0p> i dont know how to set
2680 [22:02:47] <b1ack0p> i am just digging in google how to connect wifi
2681 [22:02:51] <b1ack0p> i apply what i see in google
2682 [22:02:57] <b1ack0p> so by chance i connected twice
2683 [22:03:03] <b1ack0p> but after reboot it goes
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2686 [22:04:43] <ksk> b1ack0p: as I said, the wiki has that part covered..
2687 [22:05:11] <b1ack0p> i read already
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2691 [22:07:20] <b1ack0p> i enter "nmcli dev wifi connect ESSID password 1234
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2693 [22:07:47] <ksk> I am talking about configuring wpa_supplicant in e/n/i
2694 [22:07:51] <b1ack0p> Error: No network with SSID 'ESSID' found
2695 [22:08:14] <ksk> replace ESSID with the network you want to connect to?
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2698 [22:08:47] <b1ack0p> ksk: ofcourse i did replaced ESSID with my wifi connection name
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2700 [22:09:05] <b1ack0p> replaced-url
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2702 [22:09:47] <b1ack0p> reading this also
2703 [22:09:50] <b1ack0p> annoying
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2722 [22:19:03] <jhutchins_wk> b1ack0p: If you can copy your interfaces file to your connected computer and paste it to paste.debian.net someone might be able to help you fix it. I'm busy with something else right now.
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2725 [22:19:39] <b1ack0p> jhutchins_wk: no worries thank you for your helps already
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2727 [22:19:56] <b1ack0p> i am just tired.. i will give a break
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2763 [22:43:30] <k-man> to make my bluetooth mouse smooth, i have to run some commands like: 'echo 0 > /sys/kernel/debug/bluetooth/hci0/conn_latency' BEFORE the mouse is connected over bt. how can i run these at boot or login before it connects?
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2767 [22:43:38] <k-man> also, is that a "bug" that should be reported?
2768 [22:43:57] <k-man> i got this info form here: replaced-url
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2776 [22:50:52] <somiaj> k-man: there are various ways to run things automatically, something like this might be a reasonable use of /etc/rc.local
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2778 [22:54:08] <k-man> somiaj: thanks
2779 [22:54:16] <k-man> i'll give that a go
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2781 [22:54:51] <b1ack0p> after doing these commands i can connect to wifi but after reboot it loses the connection : replaced-url
2782 [22:54:58] <b1ack0p> how can i save this settings?
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2785 [22:57:31] <jhutchins_wk> !wpa_supplicant
2786 [22:57:32] <dpkg> Wi-Fi Protected Access (WPA) is a wireless encryption standard. A WPA supplicant for Debian systems is in the wpasupplicant package, read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz to configure (especially "Troubleshooting" for association to hidden SSIDs). Since Debian 7 "Wheezy", it is possible to install Debian over a WPA-protected network. replaced-url
2787 [22:57:49] <jhutchins_wk> b1ack0p: You either save them in the interfaces file or in network-manager.
2788 [22:58:10] <jhutchins_wk> b1ack0p: Check out that last reference - maybe bookmark it for tomorrow.
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2799 [23:06:32] <b1ack0p> jhutchins: thx
2800 [23:06:45] <b1ack0p> how can i copy a line to be pasted another interface?
2801 [23:06:51] <b1ack0p> in nano
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2803 [23:07:01] <b1ack0p> from nano to be pasted another place
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2809 [23:11:00] <b1ack0p> it doesnt copy :S
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2823 [23:19:38] <b1ack0p> jhutchins: i did it thanks a lot
2824 [23:19:51] <b1ack0p> finally i could save the configs
2825 [23:19:58] <b1ack0p> it doesnt disconnect after reboot now
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2827 [23:20:18] <b1ack0p> only issue now to find out why Caps lock indicator led light doesnt turn on while on tty
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2856 [23:31:44] <b|ack0p> x40 connected
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2859 [23:32:27] <damnedOP> Hi. I have my system encrypted. I cannot decrypt it anymore from GRUB (or whatever it is before user/password) but I am sure of my passphrase : I can decrypt my disk from another OS ... I tried with capslock, with numlock. I tried to reset the "bios" by removing ten minutes the coin cell and alimentation ... I dunno what to try now
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2867 [23:36:02] <kale> hi, i have just updated to buster from stretch, and now xfce does not load properly. it just show a mouse pointer and nothing happens until i click the background. then it loads pretty fast. also it only happen on the first login after a boot. not on the second login. any clues?
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2869 [23:36:21] <dynek> Does anyone know if setting a static IP address in grub on buster still works? (e.g. GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="ip...") - cause I updated to buster and that was how I was remotely reaching a server to decrypt a partition. And it doesn't seem to work anymore. Have no console to check what's happening.
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2872 [23:37:41] <dynek> For initramfs that is.
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2879 [23:42:21] <damnedOP> dynek reading replaced-url
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2894 [23:47:51] <HoloIRCUser1> Hello. I'm trying to clone a 32bit operating system from 1 hdd to a separate hdd. I read that rsync is best. Do I need to exclude /media so it doesn't try & copy files from separate mounted hdd, not actually?
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2900 [23:51:16] <jhutchins> damnedOP: That shows why you always have a backup, especially if your running in a non-standard non-default mode.
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2903 [23:52:17] <jhutchins> HoloIRCUser1: You need to boot to other medial like a live iso (live clonezilla would be good). Don't try to do it from the system you're copying.
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2914 [23:58:20] <damnedOP> jhuctchins: damn
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