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15 [00:14:55] <jhutchins> ritmo: There's always the option to use that. The problem is that Ctrl has a function already assigned to it.
16 [00:15:24] <jhutchins> ritmo: Most DEs have a config tool to set hotkeys, you could look for that.
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22 [00:20:14] <mirko> i question i have since soo loooong and never bothered/dared to ask, but not it's the moment: why, when upgrading packages via apt/dpkg, some packages show me ncurses and some just console dialogs - especially when mainline config files changed and i'm being asked about what to do?
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30 [00:23:59] <varnaud_> What is the string "This shall also change" in Japanese?
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45 [00:31:55] <ratrace> if only there was google translate or something like that
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52 [00:36:08] <mebus> Hallo, how can I set net.ipv6.conf.bond0.autoconf=0 for bond0.12 ?
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96 [01:01:38] <cybrNaut> i'm using "ebook-viewer" and the pages are screwed up.. the text runs off the window
97 [01:01:46] <cybrNaut> is there an epub viewer that works well?
98 [01:02:09] <cybrNaut> i see a heck of a lot of epub converters.. not many viewers
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113 [01:13:33] <cybrNaut> muPDF is a disaster too
114 [01:14:33] <mebus> nope
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122 [01:16:43] <steven_saus> Foliate works pretty well as a standalone IME (I use Calibre for organizing): replaced-url
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141 [01:29:41] <cybrNaut> steven_saus: thanks, i'll have a look. indeed I've started using calibre, which i think "ebook-viewer" is part of
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143 [01:30:32] <cybrNaut> ugh.. a dreaded flatpak
144 [01:30:42] <steven_saus> @cybrNaut Also there's epr which claims to be a CLI epub reader (python3)
145 [01:30:43] <steven_saus> replaced-url
146 [01:31:12] <steven_saus> Haven't tested that one yet; it's in my "to try" pile.
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148 [01:33:07] <cybrNaut> i'm tempted but looks like another bizarre installer
149 [01:33:28] <cybrNaut> i'm quite spoiled on apt
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156 [01:36:08] <steven_saus> Okay, just tested it with pip install git+replaced-url
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159 [01:36:44] <steven_saus> (Which calls python3's pip), and it's quite nice for epub. Still haven't tried it with mobi/kf8/etc.
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161 [01:37:56] <cybrNaut> i don't have the pip3 command. so perhaps i'll dig into that
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171 [01:41:44] <cybrNaut> both ePub viewers (calibre and muPDF) have the same problem.. they center on the binding of the book and both sides run off
172 [01:42:03] <cybrNaut> i wonder if this is just a fucked up artifact of the epub format
173 [01:43:05] <cybrNaut> ah, fixed it.
174 [01:43:12] <cybrNaut> I had to switch to "flow mode"
175 [01:43:15] <steven_saus> Huh. Is it all epub, or just that one? (I used to convert and publish ebooks, so I'm curious). Pip, BTW, is available at `sudo apt-get install python3-pip`
176 [01:43:25] <steven_saus> Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. Yeah.
177 [01:44:02] <steven_saus> Calibre has a decent viewer, though extremely heavy (comparatively). But there's nothing to beat it for organizing your library, IMHO.
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179 [01:44:41] <cybrNaut> well, regarding organization, I don't like that filenames have spaces, mixed case, and parenthesis
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181 [01:45:06] <cybrNaut> it's taking the metadata literally, and not converting it to something suitable for filenames
182 [01:45:49] <cybrNaut> maybe that can be configured somewhere. Spaces should really be replaced with underscores in filenames
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185 [01:47:45] <cybrNaut> so "Asterisk: The Definitive Guide" was named "Asterisk_ The Definitive Guide.pdf", for example
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194 [01:51:28] <steven_saus> Calibre -> Preferences -> Saving Books to disk. Has spaces to underscores, path to lowercase. Doesn't fix everything, but definitely helps.
195 [01:51:45] <steven_saus> (Not pushing you that way, just addressing your concern)
196 [01:52:07] <swift110> oh wow
197 [01:52:16] <swift110> calibre is nice
198 [01:52:44] <steven_saus> That said, I kind of put up with the spaces and mixed case for the most part anymore; I'm just used to it.
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207 [01:59:10] <cybrNaut> thanks for the tip!
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410 [04:54:47] <sponix> !ssb rtorrent
411 [04:54:53] <sponix> !ssb
412 [04:54:53] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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416 [04:56:05] <sponix> ,v rtorrent
417 [04:56:06] <judd> Package: rtorrent on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.2-1; stretch: 0.9.6-2+b1; buster: 0.9.7-1; bullseye: 0.9.8-1; sid: 0.9.8-1
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427 [05:03:49] <dka> Why do I have this error in my Debian docker image : "$ ps aux /bin/bash: line 94: ps: command not found" , it was working fine before. How did the image change ?
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547 [07:05:21] <dgriffi> Can someone point me to a current howto on running proftp with selinux protections?
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554 [07:10:27] <samba35> installed firewall also but i have now idea how to pass nic from host to guest (firewall) and configure nic
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700 [09:26:53] <Haohmaru> oh wow, i don't hear the ant blacksmith
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743 [10:16:40] <svip> I get a GPU recovery failed, cancelling all in-flight rendering, and my X has crashed. I am on a Thinkpad T480 with anIntel graphics.
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746 [10:17:09] <svip> I am on bullseye/sid.
747 [10:17:17] <svip> According to /etc/issue
748 [10:17:33] <jelly> !debian-next
749 [10:17:33] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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751 [10:18:30] <khreshgsye> Why am I getting two very different valors when i test my hdd reading speed with hdparm and with dd ?
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754 [10:19:28] <jm_> because they test different things
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758 [10:22:46] <khreshgsye> jm_: ok so i want to test my write/read speed of my ssd. whats an accurate way to do it ?
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763 [10:24:56] <jm_> khreshgsye: tools like bonnie++, for more advanced stuff there's fio
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773 [10:27:35] <khreshgsye> jm_: and how gdparm and dd are testing different speeds?
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783 [10:30:08] <jm_> khreshgsye: man page for hdparm tells you what it's measuring, and after re-reading it myself, it might be very similar stuff, depending on how dd is called
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802 [10:42:07] <khreshgsye> jm_: similar ? but with hdparm i get like 30 mp/s and with dd i get 280 mp/s --- how can that be ?
803 [10:42:16] <khreshgsye> and which one is closer to reality ?
804 [10:42:41] <jm_> khreshgsye: what is mp/s?
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806 [10:43:29] <khreshgsye> speed MB/sec
807 [10:44:00] <jm_> just use bonnie for quick and more realistic results, 30MB/s sounds very low for a SSD
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821 [10:56:51] <khreshgsye> jm_: i have installed bonnie and is not working. replaced-url
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828 [10:58:59] <Haohmaru> are you sure the command is called "bonnie++" ?
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831 [10:59:18] <Haohmaru> does it require root?
832 [10:59:40] <ratrace> probably, methinks it's in /sbin
833 [11:00:22] <ratrace> yah, sbin. both bonnie and bonnie++
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837 [11:01:17] <ratrace> khreshgsye: you don't have /usr/sbin in your PATH by default. so you must use full path, or run as root if it wants that.
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841 [11:04:46] <Haohmaru> i wonder if that SSD is any faster than a flinstone's double sided rock pecker drive
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843 [11:06:00] <khreshgsye> ratrace: bonnie++: command not found
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845 [11:06:14] <khreshgsye> ratrace: like if the program is not installed
846 [11:06:24] <Haohmaru> did you even read what he wrote?
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850 [11:07:46] <khreshgsye> root@x:/home/user# bonnie++ --help
851 [11:07:46] <khreshgsye> bash: bonnie++: command not found
852 [11:07:51] <ratrace> khreshgsye: indeed, did you read what I wrote? you need full path. /usr/sbin/bonnie++
853 [11:08:00] <ratrace> because /usr/sbin is not in your $PATH by default.
854 [11:08:25] <Haohmaru> also, i wouldn't run it as root unless that's how it's supposed to be
855 [11:08:29] <khreshgsye> ok
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864 [11:14:59] <ratrace> khreshgsye: are you on buster?
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873 [11:20:09] <QuanRan> Hi, i'm developping React webapps on Debian latest. Any time it hot-reloads the whole computer freezes, sometimes to the point a hard reboot is necessary. Any idea how I can investigate that ?
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876 [11:20:44] <Haohmaru> debian latest? do you mean stable?
877 [11:20:52] <QuanRan> Haohmaru: yes, sorry
878 [11:21:25] <tarzeau> QuanRan: when you do what? maybe start with htop?
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880 [11:21:31] <Haohmaru> no idea what React is, is your RAM gud?
881 [11:21:33] <tarzeau> QuanRan: then strace -p can be very useful
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884 [11:22:56] <QuanRan> Haohmaru: React is Facebook's web development framework, to build webapps in JSX
885 [11:23:13] <Haohmaru> eww, okay
886 [11:23:53] <Haohmaru> how's the RAM usage? ;]
887 [11:24:12] <khreshgsye> Ok so here is the result i got with bonnie: replaced-url
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889 [11:24:29] <khreshgsye> its kinda vague to me. so whats the read/write speed in my case?
890 [11:24:50] <QuanRan> I've started htop, i'm looking at the usage. I don't know why yet but i didn't expect 6.52G/7.47G usage with my dev env set up
891 [11:24:56] <Haohmaru> toomuchinformation.txt
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894 [11:25:42] <Haohmaru> are you kidding me? 2020 "web" stuff and you're surprised it eats RAM like a swine?
895 [11:26:42] <LittleByte> heh
896 [11:27:12] <QuanRan> biggest eater is firefox-esr from what i see
897 [11:27:37] <LittleByte> good ol mozilla
898 [11:27:42] <Haohmaru> yeah, the replaced-url
899 [11:27:48] <QuanRan> don't blame the player tho, blame the game. I'm just trying to eat
900 [11:27:54] <Haohmaru> browsers are horrific
901 [11:28:41] <Haohmaru> but anyway, maybe your stuff eats the whole RAM, and hits the swap
902 [11:29:05] <khreshgsye> jm i got thr output , can you help me read the values correctly ?
903 [11:29:10] <Haohmaru> and/or you might have RAM problems that trigger at certain spot
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905 [11:29:46] <Haohmaru> khreshgsye i don't even have an SSD nor care about speeds.. my stuff "just works"
906 [11:29:51] <Haohmaru> perhaps read the docs?
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911 [11:32:11] <khreshgsye> Haohmaru: my question was not addresses to you
912 [11:32:25] <Haohmaru> k
913 [11:32:34] <Fox> khreshgsye: you can ask anyone AND anyone can answer
914 [11:32:49] <khreshgsye> fox yeah but i asked jm. okay ?
915 [11:32:51] <Haohmaru> you could still read the docs tho
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917 [11:33:15] <Fox> if you only want to talk to jm_ he might ask you to pay for support, and he would be right :)
918 [11:33:33] <Haohmaru> his tarrif is muchos $$$$$
919 [11:33:34] <Haohmaru> ;P~
920 [11:34:21] <khreshgsye> i used to find helpful guys here. now i see trolls come hang around
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923 [11:35:04] <Haohmaru> the helpful guys are still here
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925 [11:35:40] <Fox> bonnie++ results are quite self explanatory, what do you want more ?
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928 [11:36:01] <Haohmaru> i think he eggspected a simple answer like "42"
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930 [11:36:11] <Haohmaru> i mean a simple output
931 [11:36:46] <Haohmaru> "ur SSD is 225km/sec"
932 [11:36:48] <khreshgsye> i egg spected an output like i got with dd or hdparm
933 [11:36:54] <ratrace> khreshgsye: are you buster?
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935 [11:36:57] <ratrace> on buster
936 [11:37:00] <khreshgsye> yes
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938 [11:37:04] <ratrace> read this:
939 [11:37:05] <ratrace> !su
940 [11:37:06] <dpkg> extra, extra read all about it, su is switch/set user. It is used to change User ID's and/or gain super user access. Since Debian Buster, "su -" or "su -l" is needed to access programs located in /sbin. It provides an root environment as if the superuser had logged in directly. See "man su".
941 [11:37:26] <ratrace> I see you had root prompt there but sbin still wasn't in PATH, I reckon you used "su" instead of "su -l"
942 [11:37:34] <khreshgsye> ratrace: thats not was i was looking for
943 [11:37:41] <ratrace> it was
944 [11:37:43] <Haohmaru> ah, he didn't run "su -" so he couldn't find the program
945 [11:37:44] <khreshgsye> i already got and have the results
946 [11:38:03] <ratrace> khreshgsye: I know, I'm just giving you a "btw" advice since you didn't seem to have proper PATH even with root
947 [11:38:10] <Haohmaru> khreshgsye you should be using "su -"
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949 [11:38:52] <khreshgsye> my question now is how to decrypt the results i got: replaced-url
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953 [11:40:14] <Haohmaru> well, there's a table with rows and columns, and some numbers in it
954 [11:40:19] <Haohmaru> isn't that gud enuf?
955 [11:40:23] <ratrace> khreshgsye: which part of that table needs explanation? that you got 57 MB/s of sequential write? 228MB/s sequential read (a bit dubious number, unless it includes pagecache or you have a mirror raid there)
956 [11:40:54] <LittleByte> I agree with ratrace
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958 [11:41:00] <khreshgsye> ratrace: thx
959 [11:41:01] <ratrace> I'd use fio, not bonnie.
960 [11:41:14] <ratrace> fio is more controllable, more versatile and gives you saner numbers.
961 [11:41:16] <jm_> it's a SSD, so 228MB/s is rather slow
962 [11:41:32] <ratrace> not for 3Gbps SATA2
963 [11:41:46] <Haohmaru> gotta push it down the hill, it'd be faster then
964 [11:42:15] <khreshgsye> jm_: im sata2
965 [11:42:17] <ratrace> oh wait ssd... ya
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968 [11:42:42] <jm_> khreshgsye: cat /sys/block/*/device/model
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970 [11:42:47] <ratrace> then that 57MB/s sequential write is a wtf as well....
971 [11:42:54] <ratrace> khreshgsye: which .... yeah, which model :)
972 [11:43:18] <Haohmaru> maybe it's a fake SSD
973 [11:43:25] <Haohmaru> with a smol HDD inside
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975 [11:43:42] <ratrace> or one of those cheap-o SSDs that totally lie about everything
976 [11:43:46] <khreshgsye> jm Samsung SSD 840
977 [11:44:06] <Haohmaru> a stack of smol floppies
978 [11:44:16] <ratrace> whoa, 840 EVO. now, lemme check something, I think that model is listed by the linux kernel as firmware-buggy...
979 [11:44:47] <khreshgsye> ratrace: u r correct
980 [11:45:35] <ratrace> replaced-url
981 [11:45:44] <LittleByte> The 120GB model touts read and write speeds of 540MB/s and 410MB/s, which is more than claimed by the same capacity SSD 840 Pro
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984 [11:46:30] <jm_> ahh no NCQ for that drive? that would explain some of it
985 [11:46:33] <LittleByte> again, I agree with ratrace
986 [11:46:41] <ratrace> listed under "devices that don't properly handle queued TRIM commands"
987 [11:46:54] <ratrace> khreshgsye: do you have trim/discard enabled?
988 [11:47:03] <khreshgsye> ratrace: yeah i have set a cron job do trim once a day
989 [11:47:05] <ratrace> rw will MASSACRE the benchmarks if you do
990 [11:47:11] <ratrace> oh. k
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993 [11:47:57] <ratrace> khreshgsye: but wait, you have fstrim service, but did you mount the fs with "discard" option?
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995 [11:48:25] <ratrace> though I think that wouldn't have any effect, since the kernel is blacklisting it for that device...
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1001 [11:52:23] <khreshgsye> ..
1002 [11:52:28] <jmd> What is the procedure when apt-get dist-upgrade does: "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" half way through ?
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1004 [11:52:47] <jomofcw> Hello !
1005 [11:53:11] <ksk> jmd: reading and understanding what goes wrong ;) can you paste both the command you issue, and the apt output?
1006 [11:53:14] <ksk> !paste
1007 [11:53:15] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
1008 [11:53:22] <jomofcw> Is there a way to ensure that each files created in a directory (and its subdirectory) had a defined CHMOD value, please ?
1009 [11:53:22] <ksk> !bat
1010 [11:53:23] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1011 [11:53:35] <ksk> jomofcw: man umask
1012 [11:53:35] <jmd> ksk: I did that in my question.
1013 [11:53:46] <ksk> jmd: the whole log, not just one line..
1014 [11:54:03] <jm_> you skipped the most important error messages from dpkg
1015 [11:54:59] <jmd> The command was just one line. The complete output from dist-upgrade is 3 hours' worth and has scrolled out of my screen.
1016 [11:55:19] <jomofcw> ksk hello and thanks.
1017 [11:55:20] <ksk> jmd: then run it again? the error will most likely persist..
1018 [11:55:34] <jmd> Unfortunately it does :(
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1020 [11:55:53] <ksk> jomofcw: it might be hard to grasp at first, if you are new to unix permissions - asking in here (After reading that manpage) or googleing might help
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1024 [11:56:51] <ksk> jmd: the [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting] was triggered for you, please provide us with the information if you need further assistance
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1027 [11:57:14] <jmd> Which information do you need?
1028 [11:57:56] <ksk> all of them.
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1034 [11:59:36] <jmd> ksk: If you want to help, I will be thankfull for it. But silly questions are not helpful.
1035 [12:01:20] <ksk> I did not ask you a question. dpkg wrote a line starting with "[Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]" - provide us with that information if you want help regarding your apt problem.
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1037 [12:02:50] <jmd> I don't see a line starting with that.
1038 [12:02:53] <jm_> instead of arguing about itit would be more useful to provide the entire output, so far we can only guess what the problem is
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1040 [12:03:28] <jm_> jmd: that line is visible in your IRC log of this channel, not in apt output on debian system
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1042 [12:04:25] <jmd> jm_: Like I explained, the "entire output" has scrolled way of the terminal. I'm not arguing. Just trying to (a) find out which people are trying to help and which are trolling. and (b) interpret the questions of the helpful ones.
1043 [12:04:47] <ksk> time to plonk I guess :X
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1045 [12:04:51] <ksk> !tell jmd about bat
1046 [12:05:16] <jm_> jmd: use script to log it,the relevant part should be at the end only anyway
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1048 [12:05:57] <jmd> The command used was "apt-get dist-upgrade".
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1051 [12:06:36] <jmd> The "complete output" I'm afraid I do not have any longer.
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1053 [12:06:49] <jm_> run the command again, log the output and you'll have it
1054 [12:06:49] <jmd> I will paste the apt-cache policy thing shortly.
1055 [12:07:11] <Haohmaru> iirc the upgrade procedure suggested doing a recording of what happens in case something f*cks up
1056 [12:07:15] <Haohmaru> did you do that?
1057 [12:08:11] <jm_> also, do you have the output in /var/log/apt/term.log*? or history.log*
1058 [12:08:23] <towo^work> jmd, do apt -f install+
1059 [12:08:26] <towo^work> jmd, do apt -f install
1060 [12:09:06] <LittleByte> packages break all the time, sudo apt upgrade after what towo said should fix those issues
1061 [12:09:29] <towo^work> no, not apt upgrade
1062 [12:09:44] <towo^work> if an apt distupgrade was issued before
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1064 [12:09:51] <jmd> replaced-url
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1070 [12:11:14] <jmd> towo^work: apt -f install results int the same error
1071 [12:11:27] <towo^work> is logical
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1074 [12:11:56] <towo^work> bin9 can't be configured
1075 [12:12:01] <towo^work> *bind9
1076 [12:12:07] <jm_> for the first one I would just do «touch /etc/default/irqbalance» for now
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1079 [12:13:12] <jm_> for the second one, check /var/cache/bind - I don't have bind installed so can't tell what permissions/ownership the dir should have
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1081 [12:13:50] <jmd> Mine is 755 so I don't understand why root cannot write it.
1082 [12:14:05] <jm_> I would hope it's not running as root ;)
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1093 [12:15:38] <jmd> apt-get dist-upgrade has to run as root
1094 [12:15:39] <jm_> !bts 939187
1095 [12:15:46] <jm_> yes, but bind doesn't
1096 [12:15:52] <jm_> !bts #939187
1097 [12:15:53] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1101 [12:17:32] <jomofcw> ksk yea ^^ you're right it's a bite hard :p but i think I've understand it... i've defined a umask of 0002 for the directory I need.
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1106 [12:19:14] <Night_Elf> drwxrwxr-x 2 root bind 4096 Jan 21 12:13 /var/cache/bind
1107 [12:19:27] <Night_Elf> This is what I have for /var/cache/bind
1108 [12:19:47] <jmd> Night_Elf: Thanks. I will try changing it to that.
1109 [12:20:10] <jmd> judd: Unfortunately, since bind is not running, I cannot make any new connections
1110 [12:20:12] <Night_Elf> no problem
1111 [12:20:45] <Night_Elf> I guess it ha to be writable by group "bind" ?
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1113 [12:20:49] <jm_> judd is a bot btw
1114 [12:20:51] <Night_Elf> has*
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1117 [12:22:57] <jmd> Night_Elf: That seems to have allowed bind to start. Now I have to find out if it actually works ...
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1123 [12:25:26] <Night_Elf> It should. You just also set all in the /var/cache/bind to be owned by user 'bind' and I have permitions of all there to be rw-r--r--
1124 [12:25:58] <Night_Elf> All I have there is managed-keys.bind and managed-keys.bind.jnl
1125 [12:26:29] <jmd> mine is empty
1126 [12:26:57] <jmd> or at least it was before I restarted
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1138 [12:34:51] <xubun2> how can i enable multiverse in debian? do i simply add 'contrib non-free' to the end of the lines of /etc/apt/sources.list?
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1141 [12:35:11] <jm_> what is multiverse?
1142 [12:35:31] <Haohmaru> must be something fancy
1143 [12:35:34] <xubun2> its the non-free repos on Ubuntu
1144 [12:35:47] <Haohmaru> wrong channel then
1145 [12:36:07] <xubun2> i'm trying to do it on a debian server, Haohmaru
1146 [12:36:16] <jm_> then try with non-free contrib indeed
1147 [12:36:45] <xubun2> problem is i have instructions for installing a software for a ubuntu system, i'm trying to figure out hte equivalent commands on a debian server
1148 [12:37:05] <tarzeau> xubun2: what software? proprietary? or from source?
1149 [12:37:37] <xubun2> a software called bigbluebutton, i've added their repos
1150 [12:38:22] <Night_Elf> I don't know if the dependencies of the ububtu repos for the software, would be the same as for debian.
1151 [12:38:28] <tarzeau> !frankendebian
1152 [12:38:28] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
1153 [12:38:37] <tarzeau> Night_Elf: they are not
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1155 [12:39:14] <tarzeau> xubun2: built it from source? replaced-url
1156 [12:39:19] <xubun2> so to install this software i'll have to install ubuntu on the server? i can't do this on debian?
1157 [12:39:35] <xubun2> tarzeau, thanks thats a great idea
1158 [12:39:35] <tarzeau> xubun2: no looks like there's the full source and you build it
1159 [12:39:45] <tarzeau> extra fun! it's java
1160 [12:39:51] <ksk> Night_Elf: better not give the bind keys a+r ;)
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1168 [12:45:44] <Night_Elf> ksk: so there it is, o-r for those files
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1200 [13:21:09] <onnik> Does anyone know why the Debian installer creates 2 partitions, #1 for swap {X}GB and another extended partition of the same size but empty?
1201 [13:21:47] <onnik> This is when using the default "allocate all" mode. Is this just leaving some spare space for growth or swap growth?
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1205 [13:26:55] <jm_> onnik: for me it created one primary partition for / and one logical for swap (extended partition holds logical drives)
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1215 [13:31:38] <onnik> Oh I'm a numpty, thanks jm_. It's using the Start/End sectors. I was just reading it wrong
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1217 [13:32:24] <b1ack0p> will debian drop 32bit support?
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1221 [13:32:39] <onnik> So really anything under the extended partition really is indented a level ;)
1222 [13:33:42] <jm_> yeah there can only be 4 primary partitions, if you need more you create extended one and use that to hold more logical drives
1223 [13:34:02] <jm_> b1ack0p: maybe sometime in the future ;)
1224 [13:35:15] <zamasu> (-:
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1226 [13:35:44] <zamasu> b1ack0p: apt-get install libc6-i386
1227 [13:36:14] <zamasu> and compile the application in real 32 bits debian
1228 [13:36:15] <b1ack0p> zamasu: what s that?
1229 [13:36:19] <zamasu> that will work
1230 [13:36:28] <onnik> jm_: I swear I used to know this, I promise. But yeah so we create an extended (logical) and this can hold >4. Debian after the first primary goes straight to using extended for the rest of the disk
1231 [13:36:30] <zamasu> for execute i386 code in x86_64
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1235 [13:36:41] <zamasu> but if its compiled in 32 bits
1236 [13:36:53] <b1ack0p> zamasu: i need 32bit for old machines
1237 [13:36:59] <zamasu> me too
1238 [13:37:05] <b1ack0p> 64bit will not install on 32bit machine
1239 [13:37:13] <zamasu> ahhhh
1240 [13:37:14] <OS-65358> hello
1241 [13:37:19] <zamasu> i understood now
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1248 [13:37:39] <zamasu> well debian will still be released in 32 bits
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1250 [13:37:51] <jm_> onnik: indeed
1251 [13:37:57] <onnik> jm_: thankyou
1252 [13:38:00] <jm_> onnik: enjoy
1253 [13:38:33] <Miles8of9> i think bullseye will drop 32 bit
1254 [13:41:42] <zamasu> bulleye
1255 [13:41:50] <zamasu> bullseye is cool
1256 [13:41:55] <colo-work> Miles8of9, says who?
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1258 [13:42:04] <zamasu> not sure... why use the latest in a pentium D
1259 [13:42:28] <zamasu> FreeBSD :)
1260 [13:42:36] <colo-work> there's existing 32bit installations that would like to not strand forever, you know?
1261 [13:42:37] <zamasu> or use another distro, its ok
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1263 [13:42:52] <zamasu> thats not a nightmare for me
1264 [13:42:58] <colo-work> we have a server online on i386 that was first installed in 2005
1265 [13:43:07] <zamasu> yes colo-work indeed
1266 [13:43:18] <zamasu> if you need to compile your applications
1267 [13:43:18] <colo-work> (it is virtualized now and running a 64bit kernel on Debian Jessie, but untangling it is a nightmare)
1268 [13:43:19] <ratrace> surely you can't expect 32-bit to exist forever
1269 [13:43:22] <zamasu> use a vps with 32 bits
1270 [13:43:27] <zamasu> then install that package
1271 [13:43:49] <ratrace> at any rate, 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userland is way better than running 32-bit linux kernel which is, as the devs themselves say, in shambles.
1272 [13:43:54] <zamasu> yeah but only a minimal hardware are vulnerable to y2k38 bug time-t
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1274 [13:44:44] <zamasu> if it is you should take it and that night enjoy in IRC with coke or pepsi
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1276 [13:45:07] <zamasu> iirc 3:18 UTC
1277 [13:45:15] <zamasu> no 3:14
1278 [13:45:51] <zamasu> i dont get the paranoia in the phones, if the phone get full of virus its because of hackers
1279 [13:46:09] <zamasu> you actually cant set the date more than ndevember 2037 in any actual phone
1280 [13:46:26] <ratrace> zamasu: u a chatbot?
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1283 [13:46:42] <zamasu> yes and no
1284 [13:46:46] <ratrace> yeah, you sound like one.
1285 [13:47:08] <zamasu> are you prince harry botter
1286 [13:47:49] <zamasu> :3
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1289 [13:51:40] <karlpinc> I can't figure out where the settings are for the inactivity timeout for my screens. What/where sets the time delay before blanking the screen? I can't seem to find an installed screensaver. I'm running xfce4 and the "settings" dialogs are no help.
1290 [13:52:00] <karlpinc> I like the current settings, but would like to have a hot-spot to blank the screen early.
1291 [13:52:07] <ratrace> karlpinc: power settings, iirc
1292 [13:52:14] <karlpinc> ratrace: This is a desktop.
1293 [13:52:21] <ratrace> yes, xfce has a power settings widget thingy
1294 [13:52:40] <zamasu> xfce power setting are the odd
1295 [13:52:56] <zamasu> btw, you cant close your netbook tap without suspend it
1296 [13:52:57] <karlpinc> Humm. Where would that be? In the "bar"?
1297 [13:52:59] <zamasu> thats nice
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1299 [13:53:09] <zamasu> orly
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1301 [13:53:34] <ratrace> karlpinc: also, there's this thing called DPMS which you can disable for xorg. so your screen is probably shutting off due to that, if you don't have a screensaver or a lock screen
1302 [13:53:40] <zamasu> im too busy destroying the humanity, cant report it
1303 [13:53:49] <ratrace> !ops zamasu wants a turing test administered to it
1304 [13:53:49] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: ratrace complains about a problem (see above)
1305 [13:54:15] <zamasu> !ops ratrace insulting a user calling him a bot and will be reported to his ISP
1306 [13:54:16] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: zamasu complains about a problem (see above)
1307 [13:54:25] <themill> zamasu: that's enough, thanks
1308 [13:54:47] <themill> zamasu: perhaps you were looking for ##chat ?
1309 [13:54:54] <zamasu> of course no
1310 [13:54:55] <ratrace> karlpinc: more info: replaced-url
1311 [13:55:08] <zamasu> i'll never go there
1312 [13:55:16] <karlpinc> (I can't even find power management anywhere in the gui.)
1313 [13:55:51] <ratrace> karlpinc: replaced-url
1314 [13:55:55] <zamasu> themill: understood, ok, debian is debian, casual chat is casual chat
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1316 [13:56:26] <mo1991> settings - > powermanager in xfce main menu ) or its not installed
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1323 [13:58:05] <zamasu> but yeah xfce is annoying
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1383 [14:38:10] <^AiNWaR^> ok
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1385 [14:40:31] <karlpinc> mo1991: Clearly I don't have power management installed.
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1388 [14:41:30] <fling__> Hello.
1389 [14:41:36] <fling__> Which package for modprobe?
1390 [14:42:08] <dob1> kmod
1391 [14:42:28] <dob1> but it's unlikely that you don't have it
1392 [14:43:29] <karlpinc> Humm. The xfce4 power manager does not seem to have the ability to set a hot-spot to trigger screen sleep. :-(
1393 [14:44:59] <fling__> which package for spi_bcm2708 module? :>
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1397 [14:46:19] <^AiNWaR^> ;>
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1400 [14:47:35] <^AiNWaR^> 1776 ) 1984
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1408 [14:53:47] <towo^work> fling__, replaced-url
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1410 [14:54:14] <karlpinc> fling__: Use apt-file or other methods to find out.
1411 [14:54:16] <karlpinc> !search
1412 [14:54:16] <dpkg> Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See replaced-url
1413 [14:54:56] <towo^work> i would oracle he is using raspbian
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1419 [15:02:25] <fling__> haha
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1461 [15:33:28] <karlpinc> !raspbian
1462 [15:33:29] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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1484 [15:45:31] <robamman2020> Hello...... Please come check out my chatroom: h t t p : / / nicechatroom2020.000webhostapp . c o m /
1485 [15:46:07] <annadane> what do i need to disable screen blanking? do i need all 3 of xset s noblank, xset s off and xset -dpms?
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1489 [15:49:14] <ratrace> annadane: just dpms always worked for me
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1491 [15:49:25] <annadane> ok
1492 [15:49:36] <annadane> i'd set xset s noblank and idk why it didn't work
1493 [15:50:13] <ratrace> blank is screensaver iirc. dpms sends a signal to the monitor itself
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1496 [15:50:39] <ratrace> or wait... was it console thingy.... can't remember now
1497 [15:50:59] <ratrace> yeah no that was setterm
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1503 [15:54:31] <annadane> maybe noblank is like, "please don't suspend/hibernate"
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1507 [15:55:34] <greycat> The manual says, "The 'blank' flag sets the preference to blank the video (if the hardware can do so) rather than display a background pattern, while 'noblank' sets the preference to display a pattern rather than blank the video."
1508 [15:56:23] <ratrace> annadane: from what I read, blank keeps monitor turned on, but with black image, where supported. with dpms you turn off the monitor into power saving standby, if supported.
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1510 [15:57:01] <annadane> okay, so then why didn't noblank work...
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1512 [15:57:19] <annadane> i guess the wording is also unclear and i'm not getting it
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1515 [15:57:59] <greycat> According to what I just pasted, noblank means "when the time comes and you decide to take action, try to take this particular action". It doesn't mean "don't take any action".
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1533 [16:08:57] <karlpinc> ratrace, mo1991 : I wound up putting an xset command into a launcher icon in my toolbar to put the display into "standby". Works well enough.
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1536 [16:10:25] <ratrace> neat.
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1552 [16:16:55] <karlpinc> The only question is "What is the most awesome icon to attach to it?" :-) I settled on the
1553 [16:17:00] <karlpinc> "window-close" icon.
1554 [16:17:13] <deadrom> hi all
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1557 [16:17:30] <karlpinc> !ask
1558 [16:17:30] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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1561 [16:18:10] <joepublic> "May I ask a question?" "You just did." "No, I mean, may I ask another question?" "You... just... did." infinite loop
1562 [16:18:24] <ratrace> lol
1563 [16:18:34] <deadrom> mdadm RAID5, 4 drives, one missing, 1 has different event counter than the remaining two. mdadm --assemble /dev/md1 --force says "2 drives not enough to start array". how do I make mdadm use the 3rd drive, even on the risk of data loss?
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1565 [16:19:21] <appas> i am having an issue where sudo takes a long time to execute, and found this: replaced-url
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1567 [16:19:59] <ratrace> deadrom: the --assemble form also takes individual members as parameters
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1571 [16:20:15] <EmleyMoor> If you ask permission to ask a question and it is denied, you have already defied that denied permission
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1592 [16:32:31] <deadrom> ratrace, i passed --assemble /dev/md1 /dev/sda3 /dev/sdb3 /dev/sdc3 --force --run <- still says not enough drives to start
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1595 [16:33:11] <deadrom> mdadm -E on the 3 partitions shows they have same uuid superblocks, only conterts are off
1596 [16:33:21] <deadrom> *counters
1597 [16:33:28] <ratrace> deadrom: sorry, I wouldn't know what else to do then. mdadm is very.... fragile.
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1599 [16:34:21] <OS-67638> msg NickServ REGISTER
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1603 [16:35:16] <g0zzy> Looking for a good strategy for running badblocks with nohup. nohup.out is not really tailing -f properly
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1605 [16:35:37] <greycat> for god's sake, use tmux or screen instead
1606 [16:36:05] <g0zzy> Ah ok. Haven't used them before. THe box is headless
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1610 [16:38:09] <colo-work> or systemd-run. or dtach.
1611 [16:38:50] <colo-work> [16:33:28] <ratrace> deadrom: sorry, I wouldn't know what else to do then. mdadm is very.... fragile. - what a bullshit statement.
1612 [16:38:56] <g0zzy> Ah right. HAven't even heard of those.
1613 [16:39:11] <colo-work> deadrom, ask for help in #linux-raid
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1618 [16:40:56] <ratrace> colo-work: y u no stfu if you don't have an altenative solution to offer.
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1622 [16:42:28] <colo-work> because I'm busy at work :>
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1625 [16:42:52] <joepublic> you are interjecting because you are busy?
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1629 [16:43:57] <slow_> Hi gentlemen
1630 [16:44:00] <g0zzy> Thanks folks. Have used systemd-run for now
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1633 [16:44:29] <slow_> anyone succeded with a gratis solution in a mirroring between a pc and a smart tv?
1634 [16:44:56] <joepublic> My smart tv is connected as an hdmi monitor with a $1 hdmi cable
1635 [16:45:01] <dreamer> hehehe
1636 [16:45:09] <dreamer> slow_: that is a very unspecific question
1637 [16:45:15] <g0zzy> VNC?
1638 [16:45:24] <dreamer> what constitutes a "smart tv" and what are you "mirroring" ?
1639 [16:45:29] <slow_> YEP .... shame on me... i mean a mirroring via wireless
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1641 [16:45:49] <avu> slow_: and why are you filtering who you are addressing with that question based on gender?
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1644 [16:46:14] <greycat> what?
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1646 [16:46:28] <greycat> oh, the initial greeting, before the question
1647 [16:46:32] <joepublic> "<slow.> Hi gentlemen"
1648 [16:46:33] <slow_> my apologies i didn't mean to operate any kind of gender based selection!
1649 [16:47:03] <joepublic> I am not all that gentle. I could slap you around with a fish.
1650 [16:47:06] <ratrace> now you've learned :)
1651 [16:47:58] <slow_> i should have said "Ladis & gentlemen" but i'd sound like a "tv host"
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1654 [16:48:37] <avu> or, you know, leave gender out of it completely
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1656 [16:49:32] <slow_> yes avu! I should have, but here again no gender based selection
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1658 [16:50:11] <joepublic> Contestants not appearing on stage will receive lee-press-on-nails. They're sticky, they press on, they're lee-press-on-nails. Rice-a-roni, the san francisco treat, it's rice, with flavor, Rice-a-roni, the san francisco treat.
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1660 [16:50:40] <greycat> It's rice mixed with macaroni!
1661 [16:51:37] <joepublic> Promotional consideration provided by the following.
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1665 [16:53:01] <slow_> any advice?
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1667 [16:53:30] <joepublic> does/can the smart tv have some sort of remote desktop protocol or vnc client?
1668 [16:53:31] <orl> Hi!
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1670 [16:53:40] <joepublic> hello.
1671 [16:53:42] <greycat> slow_: Answer the questions. What are you trying to mirror?
1672 [16:54:15] <slow_> i need to mirror my laptop screen on my samsung smart tv
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1674 [16:54:32] <orl> got a problem since dist-upgrade to testing: startup freezes on /scripts/init-premount/udev line 14 can't create /sys/kernel/uevent_helper Permision Denied, and then eventually starts after a while
1675 [16:54:47] <orl> Linux version 5.4, but it did also with 4.9
1676 [16:54:48] <slow_> and i think my tv did not have any features for mirroring
1677 [16:54:50] <orl> 5.4-rt
1678 [16:55:07] <greycat> !testing
1679 [16:55:07] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <bullseye>. See replaced-url
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1681 [16:55:47] <orl> I already check the uevent_helper file, it doesn't exist, and I cannot read /scripts/init-premount/udev as I suppose it's in the initramfs
1682 [16:56:14] <joepublic> testing is unfortunately not supported on freenode. try #debian-next on oftc.
1683 [16:56:20] <orl> OK
1684 [16:56:36] <orl> thanks
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1686 [16:56:39] <joepublic> peace
1687 [16:56:45] <orl> (still I had the problem in stable too)
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1689 [16:57:06] <joepublic> that's the opposite of what you said.
1690 [16:57:14] <orl> not exactly the opposite
1691 [16:57:21] <orl> I've a system that ran on stretch
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1693 [16:57:30] <orl> I made two dist-upgrades, one to stable
1694 [16:57:36] <orl> then one to testing
1695 [16:57:49] <orl> the problem already occurred when in stable (linux-image 4.9-rt)
1696 [16:58:10] <joepublic> oh, you're running stable?
1697 [16:58:25] <orl> not by now, but I've been during several minutes today! ;)
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1699 [16:58:38] <orl> and the problem already was there. Now I'm running testing
1700 [16:58:39] <greycat> Apparently not, though they passed *through* stable on the way to testing, briefly.
1701 [16:58:46] <orl> yep, exactly
1702 [16:58:53] <joepublic> I see. testing is unfortunately not supported on freenode. try #debian-next on oftc.
1703 [16:59:09] <orl> I'm doing this.
1704 [16:59:20] <orl> Thanks
1705 [16:59:24] <joepublic> 'luck
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1707 [17:00:01] <Akuw_> hi
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1712 [17:01:00] <Kelp> Is ther mini iso with openbox ard 250mb to 350mb
1713 [17:01:18] <liron_> Hi guys, i recently been reading about the command getfacl which suppose to be able to backup file(s) permissions.
1714 [17:01:37] <greycat> It is not "backup".
1715 [17:01:55] <greycat> It's a supplementary PARADIGM of entirely new permissions to make your life more complicated.
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1717 [17:02:40] <liron_> So how should I backup my file's permissions?
1718 [17:02:52] <amitgupta> Openit2.
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1720 [17:02:59] <Kelp> Is ther mini iso with openbox ard 250mb to 350mb
1721 [17:03:08] <Akuw> how can i specify 2 diferent sources and destination rsync ?
1722 [17:03:11] <greycat> Why do you think you need to do such a thing, separately from the actual backups of the file that you're already doing?
1723 [17:03:57] <petn-randall> Akuw: That's impossible with rsync, and depending on what you expect as a result there might be other ways to do it.
1724 [17:04:04] <liron_> Because i want to try and change the root folder's permissions
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1726 [17:04:19] <davospatrol> hey folks, just dropping in on a webchat to ask if someone can help me untangle an ffmpeg mess I've got myself into - custom built ffmpeg with NVENC flag, then wanted to roll back but now stuck between both installs
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1728 [17:04:35] <greycat> The permissions on / should be 755. Do not change them.
1729 [17:04:55] <liron_> I'm not sure they are 755
1730 [17:05:00] <greycat> drwxr-xr-x 25 root root 4096 Sep 9 08:32 /
1731 [17:05:06] <Akuw> just /dir1/backup1 /dir1/backup1/ /dir2/backup2/ /dir2/backup2/
1732 [17:05:07] <petn-randall> liron_: Usually you give the backup program root permissions, and it'll use one process as root to open the file, and then pass the file descriptor to an unprivileged process to do the backup.
1733 [17:05:10] <greycat> If yours are different, fix them.
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1735 [17:05:36] <liron_> How?
1736 [17:05:46] <davospatrol> I can't remove the custom ffmpeg (installed by checkinstall after building) because /usr/share isn't empty (?) and I need to get my includes path restored. I thought removing/installing certain parts would install to the correct includes path, but that's not happened.
1737 [17:05:50] <greycat> ls -ld /
1738 [17:06:09] <petn-randall> liron_: Just run the backup program as root.
1739 [17:06:38] <petn-randall> liron_: If you want to know if your backup program supports this, you'll need to check the documentation or implementation details.
1740 [17:06:44] <liron_> What backup program petn-randall?
1741 [17:07:03] <petn-randall> liron_: Whatever one you're using to do backups.
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1745 [17:07:41] <liron_> I backed up my files but now i wanted to backup my permissions of the files
1746 [17:07:51] <greycat> Your backup should ALREADY contain that metadata.
1747 [17:08:09] <greycat> Why do you believe it doesn't? Did you do something substandard, like backing up the files to an NTFS or FAT file system?
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1749 [17:08:29] <liron_> greycat, no
1750 [17:08:34] <liron_> what is 'ls -ld /' greycat ?
1751 [17:08:39] <greycat> It's a unix shell command.
1752 [17:08:44] <liron_> What for?
1753 [17:08:46] <petn-randall> liron_: Do it right in the first place. If you take file backups first, and metadata backups later, they might not match.
1754 [17:08:47] <greycat> You should know how the ls command works.
1755 [17:09:06] <greycat> You claimed that your "root folder" had the wrong permissions, but you didn't say what they were, so this is the way to see them.
1756 [17:09:13] <liron_> I know but i don't know all switches :)
1757 [17:09:15] <petn-randall> liron_: `man ls` will tell you what those parameters are.
1758 [17:09:37] <liron_> I get: drwxrwxrwx 24 root root 4096 Jan 14 09:06 from the command
1759 [17:09:59] <greycat> liron_: that's VERY VERY VERY BAD.
1760 [17:10:02] * petn-randall faceplams.
1761 [17:10:02] <greycat> liron_: chmod 755 /
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1763 [17:10:15] <greycat> I wonder what ELSE you broke.
1764 [17:10:18] <petn-randall> liron_: Do other directories in / also have those permissions?
1765 [17:10:27] <Kelp> GREY debian witi mini iso 25 mb0with openbox
1766 [17:10:31] <liron_> petn-randall - no
1767 [17:10:54] <petn-randall> Kelp: Do you have a Debian support question?
1768 [17:10:56] <liron_> Everything works on my ubuntu
1769 [17:11:02] <greycat> *plonk*&
1770 [17:11:09] <petn-randall> liron_: Are you running Ubuntu?
1771 [17:11:17] <liron_> Yes
1772 [17:11:19] <greycat> That explains the "folder" thing.
1773 [17:11:23] <davospatrol> anyone know the best way to remove a custom built ffmpeg?
1774 [17:11:31] <greycat> rm
1775 [17:11:31] <petn-randall> liron_: Then please ask in #ubuntu, you're in the wrong support channel.
1776 [17:11:33] <davospatrol> dpkg -r isn't working
1777 [17:11:33] * dpkg removes isn't working along with a pound of flesh from davospatrol's body, then staples davospatrol back up with a staple gun.
1778 [17:11:52] <liron_> But debian is ubuntu isn't it?
1779 [17:11:58] <petn-randall> !ubuntu
1780 [17:11:58] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
1781 [17:12:04] <ksk> davospatrol: you should not have done "make install" without setting a custom prefix ( like /usr/local for example ) - you will hae no choice but to remove everything from hand - as far as I know..
1782 [17:12:11] <petn-randall> !based on
1783 [17:12:11] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
1784 [17:12:14] <petn-randall> liron_: ^^^
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1786 [17:12:29] <davospatrol> thanks ksk
1787 [17:12:46] <davospatrol> I used checkinstall and thought I could roll back easier
1788 [17:12:59] <liron_> That's too much to read but i guess i understand the bottom line
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1790 [17:13:12] <Kelp> pEter any debian with mini iso 250 mb with openbox
1791 [17:13:17] <liron_> I can't get in there though
1792 [17:13:31] <davospatrol> it's just when I come to remove it manually it's a pretty involved thing, ffmpeg.
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1795 [17:13:50] <ksk> davospatrol: ah okay, did not get that reading your question. can you share what happens if you "apt remove $your-ffmpeg-package"?
1796 [17:13:53] <ksk> !paste
1797 [17:13:53] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
1798 [17:13:54] <petn-randall> Kelp: Try asking in a full sentence. I don't know what you are doing.
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1800 [17:14:15] <greycat> Kelp: replaced-url
1801 [17:14:37] <petn-randall> davospatrol: If you used checkinstall, you should have a custom package that you installed. You should be able to to remove that.
1802 [17:15:11] <davospatrol> when I try to remove the custom package I get an error about /usr/share not being empty so can't remove it
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1805 [17:16:00] <greycat> Well, that's good.
1806 [17:16:04] <greycat> you don't want to remove thqat.
1807 [17:16:23] <Kelp> grey debian iso like porteus?
1808 [17:16:24] <greycat> P.S. you never said it was a custom *package*
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1810 [17:16:28] <davospatrol> well no, but ofc usr/share isn't empty
1811 [17:16:39] <greycat> Again, good.
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1814 [17:17:13] <greycat> You originally said it was custom *built*. At least two of us naturally assumed you did a "make install" from source.
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1817 [17:18:05] <davospatrol> yep OK, sources of confusion aside, and apologies, I can't now remove the package
1818 [17:18:23] <greycat> Why not? A WARNING about not removing /usr/share doesn't count.
1819 [17:18:25] <davospatrol> partly now because it was given a name I can't recall and am not sure where to find
1820 [17:18:36] <greycat> so use dpkg -l | grep
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1822 [17:18:58] <jmd> dpkg-reconfigure seems to be no more. What should one use instead?
1823 [17:19:01] <Kelp> grey readymade debian iso like porteus?
1824 [17:19:13] <greycat> I have no clue what a porteus is.
1825 [17:19:19] <greycat> Are you talking about a live image>
1826 [17:19:20] <greycat> ?
1827 [17:19:22] <davospatrol> greycat it's not showing under a grep for ffmpeg... hmm
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1829 [17:19:40] <greycat> davospatrol: what makes you think it was installed AS A PACKAGE? How EXACTLY did you install this thing?
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1831 [17:20:04] <davospatrol> I mean I'm looking at the package, or at least the .deb, but d p k g (not to trigger the bot here) is not working on -r
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1835 [17:20:26] <greycat> You're "looking at" what? How are you looking? What do you actually see?
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1838 [17:20:52] <greycat> If you have a .deb file, paste its name here. That will contain and reveal the package name.
1839 [17:20:59] <davospatrol> I know you require detail, but I think we can deduce I'm looking at the file name in the terminal
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1841 [17:21:06] <davospatrol> ffmpegpkg_20200121-git-1_amd64.deb
1842 [17:21:20] <greycat> ok, well, the package name is "ffmpegpkg" then
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1844 [17:21:48] <davospatrol> warning: ignoring request to remove ffmpegpkg which isn't installed
1845 [17:21:57] <greycat> See, you already removed it.
1846 [17:21:57] <davospatrol> I've been trying that
1847 [17:22:04] <greycat> Or it was never installed in the first place.
1848 [17:22:15] <davospatrol> it was, I confirmed the flags vs the standard version
1849 [17:22:17] <greycat> As I said, a WARNING MESSAGE that it couldn't remove /usr/share is just that, and not an error
1850 [17:22:38] <davospatrol> now I'm back on the standard version, but the include files I used to have - libavcodec and a bunch of others - are not where they were
1851 [17:23:02] <davospatrol> and in fact only show up in the "custom" ffmpeg dir I created when I use locate
1852 [17:23:33] <davospatrol> as a results, obs-studio is not installing (another checkinstall from git build!)
1853 [17:24:22] <davospatrol> Annoyed with self cos I had it working, all apart from nvenc, but failed efforts to get that going and revert back to working version led me here
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1857 [17:25:12] <davospatrol> I've tried to manually copy libavcodec and the others back to my includes path to help OBS install, but it's snagging every time
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1860 [17:26:32] <davospatrol> (just running hte obs studio checkinstall command again to grab the error - think it's looking for libobs stuff and not finding it)
1861 [17:26:35] <mtcdood> I've got mail working through msmtp but cron is giving me errors like this: replaced-url
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1864 [17:26:53] <mtcdood> it looks like it has a from header, so I'm not sure I understand why it is complaining about relaying for "@"
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1875 [17:33:51] <mtcdood> generally speaking, I want system emails to go to my email. I assumed ssmtp would work since that was in last release. it's been removed due to lack of updates and msmtp is my first attempt at a replacement.
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1877 [17:34:33] <davospatrol> Unpacking obs-studio (20200121-git-1) ...dpkg: error processing archive /home/luxpir/obs-studio/build/obs-studio_20200121-git-1_amd64.deb (--install): trying to overwrite '/usr/share/obs/libobs/bicubic_scale.effect', which is also in package libobs0:amd64 0.15.4+dfsg1-1+b1
1878 [17:34:43] <greycat> ,v obs-studio
1879 [17:34:44] <judd> Package: obs-studio on amd64 -- stretch: 0.15.4+dfsg1-1+b1; buster: 22.0.3+dfsg1-1; bullseye: 24.0.6+dfsg1-1; sid: 24.0.6+dfsg1-1; stretch-multimedia: 1:19.0.2-dmo2+deb9u1; buster-multimedia: 1:23.2.1-dmo1; bullseye-multimedia: 1:24.0.6-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 1:24.0.6-dmo2
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1881 [17:35:20] <greycat> those version strings are not the ones judd knows about, so it's not a Debian package, and it's not even a deb-multimedia package
1882 [17:35:44] <davospatrol> no it's a checkinstall, again, compiled from source version
1883 [17:35:55] <greycat> I'm just going to /ignore now. BYe.
1884 [17:36:03] <davospatrol> oh
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1886 [17:36:12] <greycat> Whatever this is, it's not #debian supportable.
1887 [17:36:27] <greycat> !checkinstall
1888 [17:36:27] <dpkg> CheckInstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. replaced-url
1889 [17:36:31] <davospatrol> it's the ffmpeg issue, I need to restore the files ffmpeg uses so I can carry on doing my other stuff
1890 [17:36:45] <greycat> dear gods in hell
1891 [17:36:51] <mtcdood> 100% nop
1892 [17:36:59] <mtcdood> do not pass go, do not collect $200
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1894 [17:37:44] <davospatrol> ffmpeg's dependencies moved, and they aren't installing back to where they were
1895 [17:38:08] <mtcdood> how did you mess up ffmpeg, just by installing the repo version of OBS?
1896 [17:38:16] <davospatrol> (libavcodec, libobs etc.) but if nobody knows, I'll keep looking. obvs been trying to sort it myself for hours already.
1897 [17:38:33] <greycat> They installed an upstream version of obs using this "checkinstall" demonspawn thing.
1898 [17:38:44] <mtcdood> if so I would not recommend
1899 [17:38:48] <greycat> I won't even try to guess what happened as a result.
1900 [17:38:58] <mtcdood> OBS doesn't come out with features that really matter enough to go through that kind of hell
1901 [17:39:01] <davospatrol> no I messed up ffmpeg by grabbing the latest from git, installing with checkinstall and *I think* it was moving the dependencies to a new include path
1902 [17:39:12] <mtcdood> neither does ffmpeg
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1905 [17:39:38] <mtcdood> is this a system you can recover or reinstall?
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1907 [17:39:57] <davospatrol> I'd obvs rather not
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1910 [17:40:11] <davospatrol> if it's a case of setting the path back to what it was or some such
1911 [17:40:20] <mtcdood> if I really needed new versions of something like ffmpeg I would do it maybe in a container, can't think of a good way to mess with something tons of stuff on a system uses
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1913 [17:41:02] <davospatrol> it works still with the old version back in place, just installing OBS isn't happening now (despite several clean installs previously)
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1915 [17:41:37] <davospatrol> I suppose I could try reinstalling the repo version
1916 [17:41:37] <ksk> davospatrol: since that obs you are trying to install is from a third party, we cannot support it in here.
1917 [17:41:38] <mtcdood> well yeah because installing your new version is trying to overwrite a file used by another package, at minimum
1918 [17:41:43] <davospatrol> see if that fixes my dependcy hell
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1921 [17:41:52] <mtcdood> the repo version might work fine
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1923 [17:42:19] <davospatrol> it has done, and does work well when it is. let's see how it's looking now.
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1926 [17:42:56] <davospatrol> heh, not no more. "failed to initialize video"
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1929 [17:43:59] <davospatrol> ok, I know better where I stand now anyway, wrt to support etc. Will try to manually fix things. Thanks all for considering.
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1931 [17:44:24] <mtcdood> I followed the instructions here replaced-url
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1934 [17:45:01] <mtcdood> then configured msmtp for the SMTP server my provider makes available and can send emails manually using both the msmtp and mail commands
1935 [17:45:08] <mtcdood> Cron cannot send mail
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1937 [17:45:33] <greycat> Did you allow LOCAL delivery? Or do you not eveb WANT local delivery?
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1942 [17:46:07] <mtcdood> I don't really ever want local delivery
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1945 [17:46:33] <mtcdood> I can paste my config file on the pastebin, I don't know if I left local delivery as an option to it
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1948 [17:47:29] <mtcdood> replaced-url
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1950 [17:47:43] <mtcdood> aliases has one line: "default: myemailhere"
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1953 [17:48:20] <ksk> mtcdood: are you sure, "deault" is a keyword for /etc/aliases? :o
1954 [17:48:26] <ksk> default
1955 [17:48:27] <hugo_> Hello, what is the best ways to run 2 differents scripts with systemd .service?
1956 [17:48:28] <mtcdood> it is with msmtp
1957 [17:48:36] <ksk> ah okay then.
1958 [17:48:40] <mtcdood> probably not with most stuff
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1961 [17:48:59] <ksk> hugo_: if its two different scripts, you would setup two differend services.
1962 [17:49:38] <ksk> you can describe their relation in many ways, see documentation (BEFORE, AFTER and so on)
1963 [17:49:40] <hugo_> ksk, thanks for information
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1975 [17:55:43] <mtcdood> does anyone know how to change the mailer debian uses for cron so I can add a debugging flag to it?
1976 [17:55:56] <mtcdood> I don't even know if this error is the mail provider or my system at this stage
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1979 [17:56:17] <greycat> mtcdood: whatever you install as /usr/sbin/sendmail, generally
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1981 [17:56:19] <mtcdood> and I can't find any way to change the command cron is running, despite knowing I've seen it today
1982 [17:56:30] <mtcdood> I mean change the command to add a debug flag
1983 [17:56:37] <greycat> cron will either invoke /usr/sbin/sendmail directly, or it will invoke some front-end like /usr/bin/mailx.
1984 [17:56:51] <mtcdood> yeah that's great
1985 [17:57:21] <mtcdood> I don't care what path it executes, I care where I can configure what flags it's using
1986 [17:57:31] <mtcdood> I've only said that twice
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1988 [17:58:01] <greycat> wooledg:~$ strings /usr/sbin/cron | grep mail
1989 [17:58:03] <greycat> /usr/sbin/sendmail
1990 [17:58:06] <greycat> (among others)
1991 [17:58:54] <mtcdood> mhm cool
1992 [17:58:58] <mtcdood> nothing to do with what I asked
1993 [17:59:03] <greycat> *plonk*
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1996 [18:01:29] <mtcdood> how do I add the "-d" argument to it
1997 [18:01:36] <mtcdood> that's literally what I've asked three times
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1999 [18:02:04] <mtcdood> because I'm getting an error about a mail system refusing the emails, and I need to know what system is refusing them. mine or my provider's.
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2001 [18:02:22] <mtcdood> otherwise I have exactly zero diagnostic information.
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2004 [18:03:54] <hugo_> ksk, i need to run a script with multiple args. I try to run --> ExecStart=/usr/local/bin/myScript /root/scripts/ -web.listen-address ':9300' -interval 300
2005 [18:04:04] <hugo_> but the service is failed
2006 [18:04:20] <hugo_> How to do that ?
2007 [18:04:35] <greycat> The single quotes do nothing useful there, and I'm not sure how systemd handles them.
2008 [18:05:04] <greycat> What do you mean by "failed", exactly? What do you see in the systemctl status output, or the journalctl output?
2009 [18:05:35] <hugo_> greycat, the service dont start
2010 [18:05:54] <greycat> And the logs say...?
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2012 [18:07:12] <hugo_> greycat, main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
2013 [18:07:28] <greycat> and the logs down at the bottom say...?
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2015 [18:07:36] <hugo_> but i think it is because of the several args
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2017 [18:08:20] <hugo_> greycat, replaced-url
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2019 [18:08:50] <greycat> Ahhhh, see, you LIED TO USE
2020 [18:08:58] <greycat> You did NOT say that you had bash -c '...'
2021 [18:09:06] <greycat> in the systemd unit file, but now that we see the evidence, you did
2022 [18:09:15] <hugo_> greycat, i just added
2023 [18:09:32] <hugo_> but without "bash -c" does not work either
2024 [18:09:45] <greycat> Well, that clearly isn't going to work. systemd is NOT a shell, and you can NOT use shell syntax in it. Quoting doesn't work the way it works in shells.
2025 [18:09:54] <mtcdood> bangline
2026 [18:10:07] <joepublic> "systemd is NOT a shell" ... give it time
2027 [18:10:21] <greycat> Fix it. Write the script with the correct shebang and invoke it. Don't move the shebang-equivalent to the systemd unit file.
2028 [18:10:47] <greycat> If you have to write a wrapper script that runs the other script, and then invoke the wrapper script from systemd, then do THAT.
2029 [18:10:50] <hugo_> Well what is the good idea to run script with arg ?
2030 [18:10:58] <greycat> Do NOT attempt to place the wrapper script INSIDE the systemd unit file.
2031 [18:11:20] <hugo_> dont i have overs choixe to write a "wrapper" to call script with arg ?
2032 [18:11:36] <mtcdood> the script, if it's bash or whatever, should start with #!/bin/bash
2033 [18:11:49] <mtcdood> and it should be runnable by itself without a bunch of other commands calling it
2034 [18:11:59] <greycat> Why can't you simply write ExecStart=/usr/local/bin/bash_exporter -path /root/scripts/ -web.listen-address :9300 -interval 300
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2036 [18:12:11] <hugo_> it is a bin package in fact. Not a bash script
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2038 [18:12:20] <hugo_> but i have to call it with arg
2039 [18:12:24] <greycat> Why can't you simply write ExecStart=/usr/local/bin/bash_exporter -path /root/scripts/ -web.listen-address :9300 -interval 300
2040 [18:12:41] <mtcdood> you can add arguments all you want, the stuff after it isn't the issue I don't think. it's the stuff before it.
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2042 [18:12:58] <mtcdood> one way to find out is to try, then give that error output if it fails.
2043 [18:13:10] <greycat> Hmm, I feel like there is something *missing* from that command.
2044 [18:13:21] <greycat> Is there another piece that you forgot, or which didn't make it into the systemctl status output?
2045 [18:13:29] <hugo_> greycat, not better
2046 [18:13:50] <greycat> Explain why what I suggested is not correct. By using words.
2047 [18:13:57] <hugo_> and when i run dirrectly my command on my shell --> /usr/local/bin/bash_exporter -path /root/scripts/ -web.listen-address :9300 -interval 300 --> it is OK
2048 [18:14:01] <greycat> "I have to do ___ because ___"
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2050 [18:15:44] <hugo_> greycat, sorry for my bad english. I have want to run a bin package from systemd service. When i put dirrectly the command on my shell, it does not work
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2055 [18:16:59] <mtcdood> can you do 0.0.0.0:9300 or some equivalent?
2056 [18:17:04] <mtcdood> would it freak out about the colon?
2057 [18:17:47] <Akuw> i am having problems using this rsync -avzhe -e 'ssh -oStrictHostKeyChecking=no' "$SOURCE1" "$DEST1"
2058 [18:18:29] <Akuw> Unexpected remote arg: root@192.168.66.3:/home/deploy/dir1/Installation-Files/
2059 [18:19:04] <Akuw> SOURCE1="root@192.168.66.3:/home/deploy/dir1/Installation-Files/"
2060 [18:19:38] <mtcdood> replaced-url
2061 [18:19:40] <Akuw> how can i use variables for SOURCE and DESTINATION
2062 [18:19:41] <mtcdood> two syslog outputs
2063 [18:19:56] <mtcdood> sure seems to be trying to do the same thing each time, Cron is messing something up
2064 [18:20:14] <hugo_> replaced-url
2065 [18:20:32] <hugo_> corrected as above. it does not work better
2066 [18:21:23] <mtcdood> can you just put the arguments into a wrapper script?
2067 [18:21:31] <mtcdood> and run the wrapper script in the service file?
2068 [18:22:02] <hugo_> mtcdood, i can. But i was wondering if there was an other way...
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2070 [18:22:17] <jelly> Akuw: you have -e twice in that command line, why
2071 [18:22:31] <mtcdood> @hugo_, maybe, but I'd like to know if it'll run at all
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2073 [18:22:48] <Akuw> jelly: wait
2074 [18:22:50] <jelly> Akuw: rsync -avzhe <- -e <- 'ssh -oStrictHostKeyChecking=no'
2075 [18:22:50] <mtcdood> there may be some environment issue preventing it from running at all
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2077 [18:24:28] <Akuw> now is ok running
2078 [18:24:38] <jelly> Akuw: what was wrong?
2079 [18:24:42] <hugo_> mtcdood, not better... i dont know why
2080 [18:24:49] <Akuw> -e
2081 [18:24:55] <jelly> okay
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2098 [18:36:03] <PallasXD> @<hugo_> does this is work with su node_exporter ? (/usr/local/bin/bash_exporter -path /root/scripts/ -interval 300)
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2106 [18:41:41] <hugo_> PallasXD, it was a permission problem on folder. I got issue on "messages" log an not via journalctl -u myservice ...
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2111 [18:43:58] <PallasXD> ok but i don't unsderstand why you config 1 user AND 1 group, myabe you could byt try without the 2 lines User=node_exporter
2112 [18:43:58] <PallasXD> Group=node_exporter removed ?
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2114 [18:44:25] <greycat> He was trying to read /root/scripts/ from a user OTHER THAN ROOT?!
2115 [18:44:29] <greycat> *headdesk*
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2117 [18:45:06] <greycat> Now I'm just waiting for "this thing affects my interactive shell, and I'm running it from systemd, so that'll totally work out just fine, right"
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2119 [18:45:56] <gkwhc> hi all, i just tried installing lighdm however it would not finish booting up (hangs). during installation it was generating initrd and threw warnings saying possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/i915/sk1_dmc_ver1_27.bin for module i915, etc. Any ideas on how to fix this?
2120 [18:46:27] <greycat> ,file sk1_dmc_ver1_27.bin
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2122 [18:46:32] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
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2124 [18:46:42] <greycat> ,file sk1_dmc_ver1_27.bin --release buster-backports
2125 [18:46:43] <judd> No packages in buster-backports/amd64 were found with that file.
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2127 [18:46:47] <greycat> ,file sk1_dmc_ver1_27.bin --release sid
2128 [18:46:52] <jelly> that seems suspect
2129 [18:46:53] <judd> No packages in sid/amd64 were found with that file.
2130 [18:47:22] <greycat> Oh, I bet it's skl not sk1
2131 [18:47:30] <greycat> ,file skl_dmc_ver1_27.bin
2132 [18:47:34] <judd> Search for skl_dmc_ver1_27.bin in buster/amd64: firmware-misc-nonfree: lib/firmware/i915/skl_dmc_ver1_27.bin
2133 [18:47:45] <greycat> There. Just install the firmware-misc-nonfree package and reboot.
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2136 [18:48:24] <jelly> !non-free sources
2137 [18:48:24] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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2139 [18:48:33] <jelly> gkwhc: ^ gonna need those
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2142 [18:49:47] <jelly> I wonder if there's any x86 gpu left not requiring loadable fw
2143 [18:50:19] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Won't they need to update the initrd?
2144 [18:50:33] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: the magic of dpkg triggers!
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2147 [18:50:59] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: Ah, makes sense.
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2151 [18:55:14] <RadoQ> Moin, with previous debian release I had like 5+ package updates every week, now with current stable it feels like 1-2 in 2-3 weeks. Has the update handling changed somehow not to produce frequent updates, or have I misconfigured /etc/apt/sources.list somehow to reduce the "noise"?
2152 [18:55:51] <greycat> replaced-url
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2159 [18:56:54] <jelly> RadoQ: perhaps you have a different set of installed packages.
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2161 [18:57:21] <greycat> Or there just haven't been very many security holes discovered in your installed package set lately.
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2163 [18:57:38] <gkwhc> thanks jelly, the warning disappeared upon regenerating initrd, but boot still hangs :/
2164 [18:58:05] <gkwhc> even with the original initrd
2165 [18:58:11] <jhutchins_wk> gkwhc: What DE are you using?
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2167 [18:58:32] <jelly> gkwhc: then it might be hanging for a different reason. See if removing the "quiet" option from kernel boot params provides more clues
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2169 [18:58:51] <gkwhc> jhutchins_wk: been using awesome wm. trying to use lightdm now because a tool requires it
2170 [18:58:51] <RadoQ> jelly, greycat, unless mistaken I had "regular" updates activated previoulsy on top of security... now it feels as if only security updates are coming in.
2171 [18:59:07] <greycat> Only when there's a point release, or a package added to proposed-updates.
2172 [18:59:13] <RadoQ> as -> like
2173 [18:59:27] <jelly> RadoQ: you may have has foo-proposed-updates enabled
2174 [18:59:27] * RadoQ ... o O ( or not )
2175 [18:59:32] <jelly> have had*
2176 [19:01:07] <jelly> 6 DSAs in the last 7 days, 2 that I actually care about
2177 [19:01:17] <gkwhc> maybe it finished booting but couldnt get to lightdm?
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2182 [19:03:36] <RadoQ> What are the different bots here for?
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2184 [19:04:03] <greycat> RadoQ: dpkg is general factoids, judd is an interface to the UDD
2185 [19:04:04] <greycat> !udd
2186 [19:04:04] <dpkg> The Ultimate Debian Database (UDD) is an effort to gather lots of useful information about Debian from a variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant PostgreSQL database. replaced-url
2187 [19:04:26] <greycat> there's another that kicks people who flood
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2190 [19:05:45] <RadoQ> How to get judd's help info?
2191 [19:05:51] <jelly> !judd
2192 [19:05:51] <dpkg> judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI ID and kernel config information. See replaced-url
2193 [19:06:21] <RadoQ> thanks.
2194 [19:06:34] <jhutchins_wk> gkwhc: I recently set up a system and I ended up with lightdm and somee other dm, and light did not want to work with xfce.
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2196 [19:06:55] <greycat> That's odd. I would have thought lightdm is the default DM with xfce.
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2198 [19:07:39] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Yeah, don't recall the exact details.
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2204 [19:13:43] <wxcafe> hey
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2210 [19:15:54] <wxcafe> so I've got this raid5 array
2211 [19:16:02] <petn-randall> hi wxcafe
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2215 [19:16:38] <wxcafe> which I'm going to rebuild on zfs soon, so I'm copying the data from it to another disk to move it back later
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2217 [19:16:54] <jhutchins_wk> Ugh. RHEL8: GUI software/update manager, reboot to install new packages.
2218 [19:17:05] <jhutchins_wk> Seems like I've seen that somewhere before...
2219 [19:17:19] <wxcafe> turns out the seagate drive in the RAID has been pretty much dead for a while now, even though SMART self-tests returned clean
2220 [19:17:33] <wxcafe> now that I'm trying to read the data off it, it gives a bunch of read/seek errors
2221 [19:17:51] <wxcafe> but it's not showing as actually dead (yet...)
2222 [19:18:39] <wxcafe> so my problem now is that my copy is awfully slow because when rsync tries to read the data, md tries to read from that disk, timeouts, and then gets the data from parity somewhere else
2223 [19:19:09] <wxcafe> no lost data but it's just really awfully slow. So I was wondering if I can tell md to read as little as possible from that disk or something?
2224 [19:19:17] <wxcafe> or reduce the timeout when it is reading
2225 [19:19:50] <petn-randall> wxcafe: The disk firmware determined the read timeout.
2226 [19:19:55] <wxcafe> I don't want to pull the disk out because if there's errors on another disk it might still be readable enough to get the parity from, even though that's not very likely
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2228 [19:20:39] <petn-randall> I forgot how the feature is called, but desktop disks don't have it.
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2230 [19:20:54] <wxcafe> yeah and it's the only disk in the array that's a desktop one :)
2231 [19:21:10] <wxcafe> but I can't tell linux to ignore that and timeout immediately?
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2233 [19:22:58] <jhutchins_wk> wxcafe: You don't have backups?
2234 [19:23:12] <wxcafe> I have backups of the important stuff
2235 [19:23:31] <wxcafe> it's mostly unimportant data but I mean
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2237 [19:24:05] <jhutchins_wk> BRB
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2240 [19:24:51] <ska> Anyone know how to change the default handler for Firefox in Debian? Are those system defined defaults?
2241 [19:24:51] <petn-randall> wxcafe: replaced-url
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2243 [19:25:12] <petn-randall> wxcafe: I'd check the HDD's manual to see if you can set this value somewhere, otherwise you're out of luck.
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2245 [19:25:48] <jhutchins_wk> wxcafe: I would think you'd do a full backup (like overnight), then go ahead and repair the array.
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2247 [19:26:22] <wxcafe> jhutchins_wk: oh I'm gonna nuke both the drive and the array, I'm running a copy
2248 [19:26:33] <jhutchins_wk> wxcafe: Once you actually start seeing errors on a modern SATA drive you don't have long to replace it.
2249 [19:26:51] <wxcafe> jhutchins_wk: it's just exceedingly slow, like it's take >90h to copy 3.4TB
2250 [19:26:52] <petn-randall> At least I didn't find a solution to the problem many years ago, when I ran into the same issue.
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2252 [19:27:24] <wxcafe> jhutchins_wk: yeah I run smartctl self-tests every two weeks or so and the drive always reported 0 errors up to last friday when I started doing the copy :)
2253 [19:27:39] <petn-randall> wxcafe: The thing is that the disk will block any other read operations, so even if the kernel would timeout, the disk would still try to seek that data.
2254 [19:27:48] <wxcafe> jhutchins_wk: pretty sure seagate sees the smart self test, sleeps 15 mins, and reports everything is fine instead of actually testing
2255 [19:27:49] <jhutchins_wk> wxcafe: Guessing there's something about the raid that's confusing smart.
2256 [19:28:21] <wxcafe> nah every other disk on the raid is fine, I think this one's on seagate
2257 [19:28:27] <petn-randall> wxcafe: What command are you using to test it?
2258 [19:28:29] <wxcafe> petn-randall: yeah, it doesn't support it
2259 [19:28:58] <petn-randall> wxcafe: Then your best bet is to read from the raid and be patient.
2260 [19:29:00] <wxcafe> petn-randall: I saw that too, but I thought there might be something else I hadn't found
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2262 [19:29:12] <wxcafe> thanks :)
2263 [19:29:15] <petn-randall> wxcafe: Other option is to nuke the disk from the RAID and hope there isn't any other read error on the way.
2264 [19:29:24] <wxcafe> yep
2265 [19:29:51] <petn-randall> wxcafe: If you make sure the disk is read-only, you can remove it from the raid and try copying. If it fails due to further errors, you can still add it back again.
2266 [19:30:06] <petn-randall> disk = raid
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2269 [19:31:00] <wxcafe> and to answer your question: I do the standard smartctl long test (smartctl -t long /dev/sdx)
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2271 [19:31:13] <wxcafe> oh, yeah, I guess that could work
2272 [19:31:27] <petn-randall> Ah, that should run for hours. Unless it fails, but you should see that in the smart log.
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2274 [19:32:29] <wxcafe> yeah, it's an automated process in my monitoring so I didn't catch it only ran for ~15mins
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2276 [19:32:39] <wxcafe> definitely didn't ever report any errors though
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2286 [19:37:58] <petn-randall> wxcafe: Can you share the output of `smartctl -a /dev/sdx` of that disk?
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2318 [19:57:01] <gkwhc> is there a way to install libboost_serialization1.65.0 when that version doesnt exist in debian package search?
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2321 [19:57:47] <greycat> ,v libboost-serialization1.65.0
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2323 [19:57:47] <judd> No package named 'libboost-serialization1.65.0' was found in amd64.
2324 [19:58:08] <greycat> Acquire it from some outside source, drop it in /usr/local/lib or wherever seems appropriate, run ldconfig.
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2326 [19:58:53] <greycat> Looks like buster has 1.67.0 and stretch has 1.62.0, nothing in between.
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2330 [19:59:40] <gkwhc> will do, thanks!
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2343 [20:12:17] <f8e3> where to read up history of this room, ive been avawy for too long
2344 [20:12:29] <greycat> !irc log
2345 [20:12:32] <greycat> !irc logs
2346 [20:12:32] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, irclog is #debian on <freenode> is logged at replaced-url
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2357 [20:17:08] <dadinn> names
2358 [20:17:24] <f8e3> DOWN! or just me
2359 [20:17:29] <dadinn> hi all
2360 [20:17:56] <f8e3> replaced-url
2361 [20:18:17] <f8e3> who built internet, its inherently broken
2362 [20:18:29] <greycat> well, it *was* there a couple weeks ago...
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2365 [20:18:44] <dadinn> one question regarding the LUKS2 format support for crypttab in Debian 10 Buster: is there a way to globally set the default for luksFormat to be LUKS1 instead of LUKS2... I mean like a global variable?
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2368 [20:19:06] <dadinn> without specifying --type luks1
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2372 [20:22:20] <dadinn> I just want the stable Debian guys to know that they have broken all my fuckin installer scripts, so I might as well just switch to ArchLinux... ArchLinux doesn't care about breaking shit either, but at least it comes with bleeding edge packages. At least you don't deceive yourself that you care about stability and not breaking shit :/
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2374 [20:23:46] <greycat> If you actually want word to reach the Debian developers of this package, file a bug report.
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2377 [20:25:38] <{o}{o}> dadinn: have fun
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2380 [20:25:54] <{o}{o}> ArchLinux seems like a great distro if you care about stability
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2383 [20:26:16] <{o}{o}> I'm sure you will only have a fraction of the problems Debian has, and you will bleeding edge shit!
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2398 [20:31:50] <johnfg> hi folks
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2401 [20:32:19] <johnfg> I continue to find things that didn't get upgraded, or brought over in upgrading from stretch->buster.
2402 [20:32:33] <johnfg> One such example was php-gd.
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2404 [20:32:52] <greycat> Yes, the old PHP packages will remain until you take explicit action.
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2406 [20:33:21] <greycat> I imagine that's by design, to reduce the number of surprise broken web servers.
2407 [20:33:26] <ratrace> that's what bit my .... rear. wasn't expecting that on upgrade.
2408 [20:33:59] <ratrace> I think it is, yea, because PHP version changed and with that, the location of configs!
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2414 [20:36:44] <johnfg> greycat: Not having it upgraded, or installed for buster messed up my webserver. Just saw I needed to reinstall php7.3-zip as well.
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2416 [20:37:38] <greycat> That's the opposite of my experience. For me, I would simply be working on the system and happen to look at the PHP stuff for some reason, and discover that it's been using the previous release's PHP packages for those last however many months.
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2418 [20:37:46] <greycat> Then I'd have to guess how to upgrade PHP.
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2421 [20:39:09] <dob1> it is advised to switch from encfs to gocryptfs?
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2423 [20:40:11] <greycat> In my notes for the server here, I have "2017-07-27: Upgrade to Debian 9.1. Installed PHP 7.x packages, but Apache is still using 5.x.", followed by three point releases, followed by "2018-04-06: Enable PHP 7.0 instead of PHP 5 (in Apache2)."
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2425 [20:40:41] <greycat> Same system, later, "2019-09-09: Upgrade to Debian 10.1" and "2019-10-15: Disable php7.0 module, enable php7.3 module"
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2427 [20:41:40] <johnfg> greycat: fwiw...you're notes are inspiring me to better about noting things such as that. A late new year's resolution. Thanks for the inspiration!
2428 [20:42:05] <johnfg> What do you use for your notes?
2429 [20:42:13] <greycat> I'm really lazy and neglectful of my private systems, but here at work, it's a bit different.
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2432 [20:42:39] <greycat> It's a mediawiki wiki, set up on the same server that those particular notes are for (the only reason there's PHP).
2433 [20:42:52] <greycat> Other servers have their own pages.
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2435 [20:43:42] <johnfg> k, thanks. For some things, I use Notes in (g)vim, but just tomboy notes for other things. I just need to use them!
2436 [20:44:05] <greycat> A text file edited in vim is still a good start.
2437 [20:44:14] <dob1> vimwiki is good for this
2438 [20:44:18] <greycat> Better than most people's note-taking.
2439 [20:44:28] <johnfg> Yup, and the notes extension is very cool.
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2441 [20:44:44] <johnfg> dob1: I'll check that out, thanks!
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2450 [20:47:42] <dadinn> {o}{o}: you mean I will be bleeding edgy shit?
2451 [20:48:02] <f8e3> where to read up history of this room, ive been avawy for too long?
2452 [20:48:17] <f8e3> not even googl got some
2453 [20:48:21] <greycat> Seriously, if that IRC log web site is down, there probably *isn't* a replacement.
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2455 [20:48:35] <greycat> I'm not aware of any other public logs of this channel.
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2459 [20:50:13] <dob1> f8e3, ok but you were going to read logs of every day?
2460 [20:50:35] <f8e3> just within -3 days to get some me addrd stuff
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2463 [20:51:37] <dadinn> {o}{o}: my main point was that I wasn't expecting something this massive of a stability issue pop up during an upgrade of the distro most advertised for stability
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2467 [20:52:48] <dadinn> {o}{o}: the symptom essentially is that after you finished with your installation, and reboot... you are not able to unlock your hardrive! A bit dissapointing to say the least
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2469 [20:53:26] <adikt> i just switched from linux mint :o
2470 [20:53:30] <adikt> :O
2471 [20:53:53] <adikt> do ya'll perfer waffles or pancakes over here?
2472 [20:54:11] <ratrace> crepes
2473 [20:54:48] <adikt> you savages
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2479 [20:57:29] <subcool> hey, why is cinnamon using 50% of my Cinnamin using 50% of my CPU to do .... ?
2480 [20:57:43] <subcool> ugh - everything is stuttering..
2481 [20:57:52] <greycat> top might be helpful, to see what processes are active
2482 [20:58:36] <greycat> is this a new thing, or has it always been this way? any chance it's trying to do fancy video stuff and failing due to driver/firmware issues? if that's the case, I'd expect it to have been this way since your last install or upgrade.
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2484 [20:59:01] <subcool> its been slwooing working its way to this point
2485 [20:59:16] <subcool> i have it doing an rsync - and everything is going to hell
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2487 [20:59:49] <subcool> cinnamin is using the most resources
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2536 [21:33:53] <jhutchins_wk> subcool: Time to break out top and ps ax and figure out what everything running is doing.
2537 [21:34:14] <jhutchins_wk> subcool: Bitcoin miners are not unusual these days.
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2541 [21:38:06] <Miles8of9> bitcoin miners are gone... now you must use dedicated expensive hardware
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2543 [21:42:36] <ksk> monero miners, then ;)
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2546 [21:44:15] <jhutchins_wk> Miles8of9: Actually, I had one probably within the past six months. Not sure how they got in, they installed the miner and didn't seem to touch anything else.
2547 [21:44:46] <jhutchins_wk> Miles8of9: Symptom was heavy thrashing of the HD when using chrome.
2548 [21:44:59] <ratrace> jhutchins_wk: "installed"?
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2550 [21:45:10] <Miles8of9> you can easily spot it just by running top..... :D
2551 [21:45:15] <ratrace> actually persisted a file on your computer which somehow executed?
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2554 [21:45:32] <jhutchins_wk> ratrace: Malware.
2555 [21:45:39] <greycat> if it only started when he used chrome, it's probably a browser add-on or whatever they call 'em now
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2557 [21:46:08] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: It appeared to be discrete hardware, but I assume I got it from a malicious web page.
2558 [21:46:31] <jhutchins_wk> Wasn't hard to spot once I looked. Spinning rust still has some advantages.
2559 [21:46:46] <ratrace> but how did you "get" it? as browser extension? a file they dumped in your home and somehow execute it?
2560 [21:47:15] <jhutchins_wk> ratrace: It wasn't a browser extension. I'm not entirely sure how it got there, but the browser is the most likely vector.
2561 [21:47:41] <ratrace> jhutchins_wk: so how did it look like? an executable in your ~/ somewhere?
2562 [21:48:03] <jhutchins_wk> ratrace: I was kindof hoping it would come back so I could see how it happened, but it didn't.
2563 [21:48:30] <jhutchins_wk> ratrace: It was actually in it's own tree, off of / if I recall correctly, so compromised root somehow.
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2565 [21:48:44] <ratrace> jhutchins_wk: so basically nothing was installed but a page you visited contained non-persisting js or flash?
2566 [21:48:51] <ratrace> ooh root compromise
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2568 [21:49:01] <greycat> I'm hearing very mixed messages
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2570 [21:49:05] <ratrace> me three
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2574 [21:50:23] <ratrace> anyway I run my firefox under a very strict AppArmor profile. it's highly unlikely for it to drop a file anywhere outside a single directory I permitted it to, and it can't execute anything.
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2576 [21:50:52] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, well, I didn't have a lot of time to put into forensics, I just got the system cleaned up and running normally, bumped some security settings, and kept an eye on it since.
2577 [21:51:12] <Miles8of9> how did they get in?
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2581 [21:51:36] <ratrace> jhutchins_wk: the only way to "clean up" the system there, without forensic audit, is "format C:\" and reinstall
2582 [21:51:48] <jhutchins_wk> Miles8of9: I don't know. I suspect browser malware, because the only other vector is an ssh brute force.
2583 [21:51:52] <ratrace> it could've persisted any random binary that would keep re-infecting you over and over
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2585 [21:52:04] <jhutchins_wk> ratrace: Well, it
2586 [21:52:24] <jhutchins_wk> 's / not C: but yeah, not my first rodeo.
2587 [21:52:39] <ratrace> I know i'm joking with C: :)
2588 [21:52:43] <jhutchins_wk> ratrace: Right.
2589 [21:52:54] <ratrace> "format C:\" aka "nuke and pave"
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2591 [21:53:20] <jhutchins_wk> ratrace: I made the mistake of running an open ftp server when I was first getting into linux. Repleased /bin/login and messed up a bunch of stuff. Clean install.
2592 [21:53:22] <ratrace> and yes, it actually hurts to type that \ ... it's escaping " ffs....
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2595 [21:53:57] <greycat> you don't need the \ at all... it's just format C:
2596 [21:54:08] <greycat> it's not like you can format a *directory*
2597 [21:55:01] <jhutchins_wk> Anyway, mine's fine now, I was just suggesting it was a possibility for subcool.
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2599 [21:55:46] <ratrace> greycat: probably. last time I DOS'd was... 20+ years ago
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2601 [21:55:58] <b1ack0p> hi there
2602 [21:56:04] <b1ack0p> ratrace: i decided to stay on debian
2603 [21:56:07] <ratrace> areplaced-url
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2605 [21:56:10] <b1ack0p> gentoo is too advanced for me
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2607 [21:56:17] <ratrace> aight.
2608 [21:56:24] <b1ack0p> but i have a such problem
2609 [21:56:34] <b1ack0p> i downloaded firmware-netinstaller-i386
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2611 [21:56:58] <b1ack0p> but when i configure network i choose wifi and then i choose wifi name to connect but it doesnt connect
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2615 [21:59:16] <jhutchins_wk> The other thing to check is netstat.
2616 [21:59:30] <jhutchins_wk> s/the/an/
2617 [21:59:32] <b1ack0p> jhutchins_wk: i am on installer interface at the moment
2618 [21:59:59] <jhutchins_wk> b1ack0p: Sorry, I always do a wired install.
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2621 [22:00:27] <ratrace> b1ack0p: I think you can Alt-F* to another TTY, where you can check dmesg for wpa_supplicant issues
2622 [22:00:40] <jhutchins_wk> b1ack0p: It sees the SSID, but when you select it it doesn't connect?
2623 [22:00:44] <b1ack0p> yes i am on tty now
2624 [22:00:48] <ratrace> uhh... dmesg or ... not sure now what kind of logging goes there
2625 [22:00:51] <b1ack0p> jhutchins_wk: correct
2626 [22:01:01] <b1ack0p> it also detects both wired and wireless devices
2627 [22:01:14] <b1ack0p> i choose wireless and select ssid and put password
2628 [22:01:16] <jhutchins_wk> b1ack0p: That would probably be an authorization error.
2629 [22:01:16] <b1ack0p> but doesnt connect
2630 [22:01:45] <jhutchins_wk> b1ack0p: Not sure what logs are available in the installer. dmesg?
2631 [22:02:04] <b1ack0p> it says link is not ready
2632 [22:02:14] <b1ack0p> ipv6
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2637 [22:02:59] <b1ack0p> it detects ipw2200
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2639 [22:03:28] <b1ack0p> firmware: direct-loading firmware ipw2200-bss.fw
2640 [22:04:02] <b1ack0p> detected geography zzr 14 802.11bg channels, 0 802.11a channels
2641 [22:04:54] <b1ack0p> intel_rng: FWH not detected
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2649 [22:14:37] <b1ack0p> interestingly it is installing base system
2650 [22:14:53] <b1ack0p> i configured the network manually and it didnt ask me any ssid password
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2660 [22:24:53] <jhutchins_wk> b1ack0p: Yeah, it can install a minimal system that you should be able to improve on once you get your wifi working.
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2662 [22:25:39] <jhutchins_wk> b1ack0p: Not sure what you mean by "manually", obviously the lack of password would cause auth to fail.
2663 [22:26:39] <jhutchins_wk> b1ack0p: Do you know what the chipset is? Preferably the eight-character pciid from lspci -nn
2664 [22:27:28] <b1ack0p> it failed
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2666 [22:27:54] <b1ack0p> it came to package mirror selection
2667 [22:28:02] <b1ack0p> but it doesnt accept any mirror i choose
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2670 [22:28:42] <jhutchins_wk> Which would be expected without a successful wifi password.
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2685 [22:36:13] <b1ack0p> it is asking network ip address
2686 [22:36:23] <b1ack0p> is it routers admin access ip?
2687 [22:36:28] <b1ack0p> 192.168.. ?
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2689 [22:37:00] <jhutchins_wk> I don't know what "it" is, or what tool you're using. I would expect most wifi to use dhcp.
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2709 [22:47:14] <H2Q> hello, I cannot fix broken packages that occured after trying to install mariadb-server; replaced-url
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2713 [22:47:36] <jhutchins_wk> b1ack0p: Did you by any chance read the install guide?
2714 [22:47:38] <jhutchins_wk> !ig
2715 [22:47:38] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at replaced-url
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2722 [22:50:02] <b1ack0p> not much
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2725 [22:52:34] <H2Q> can someone help please?
2726 [22:53:15] <H2Q> I tried all sorts of fixing commands. what else can I do?
2727 [22:53:20] <ksk> ,v mariadb-client-core-10.3
2728 [22:53:21] <judd> Package: mariadb-client-core-10.3 on amd64 -- buster: 1:10.3.18-0+deb10u1; bullseye: 1:10.3.21-2; sid: 1:10.3.21-2
2729 [22:53:35] <H2Q> replaced-url
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2731 [22:53:47] <ksk> H2Q: you need to uninstall mysql first, it seems?!
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2733 [22:54:18] <H2Q> ksk, I tried that, too, among others, but possibly couldnt do it the right way
2734 [22:54:20] <ksk> the eff is that second paste?
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2736 [22:54:29] <b1ack0p> nvm i will install tomorrow wired
2737 [22:54:41] <H2Q> ksk, the second paste contains the commands I tried
2738 [22:54:58] <H2Q> I tried to purge mysql, too but it didnt work
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2740 [22:55:12] <ksk> "did not work" is not a technical statement.
2741 [22:55:16] <jhutchins_wk> b1ack0p: Meanwhile the guide would be good reading.
2742 [22:55:17] <H2Q> I could only remove only /etc/mysql
2743 [22:55:20] <ksk> !doesntwork
2744 [22:55:31] <H2Q> it gave the same error
2745 [22:55:37] <ksk> you should focus on one problem at the time, too..
2746 [22:55:40] <H2Q> that appeared at the end of the first paste
2747 [22:55:42] <jhutchins_wk> b1ack0p: I don't do that many installs these days; what I do at work tends to be VM clones.
2748 [22:55:57] <H2Q> ksk, I tried to purge mysql to solve the one problem I have
2749 [22:56:28] <H2Q> so?
2750 [22:56:55] <ksk> and what is the error for that?
2751 [22:57:44] <jhutchins_wk> H2Q: Without the output the command history is pretty useless.
2752 [22:57:52] <ksk> ++
2753 [22:58:13] <b1ack0p> jhutchins_wk: i see
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2755 [22:58:22] <jhutchins_wk> H2Q: If you manually removed parts of it you can break apt.
2756 [22:58:32] <b1ack0p> cable installation will be better
2757 [22:58:33] <H2Q> is this an applicable solution that the guy here writes he's solved the same problem; replaced-url
2758 [22:58:34] <H2Q> ?
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2760 [22:59:06] <jhutchins_wk> H2Q: We don't know, because we don't know what the output of those commands was.
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2764 [23:00:22] <H2Q> from experience what happens here is that I make pastes of all outputs as asked for, and after I paste them, I dont hear from anyone
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2766 [23:00:30] <H2Q> I will paste them
2767 [23:00:36] <ksk> H2Q: how about removing myqsl* - and pasting the commands and the output
2768 [23:00:57] <ksk> I dont want to go through 30 commands you entered, sorry.
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2770 [23:01:32] <greycat> A reduction in vagueness would *always* be welcome. "I tried to remove mysql to solve a problem" -- what problem? How did you try to "remove mysql"? Etc.
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2772 [23:02:10] <H2Q> above two pastes contain all answers if you look
2773 [23:02:18] <greycat> One of your earlier vague statements made it sound like you manually removed the /etc/mysql/ directory before attempting to purge the packages. I could easily imagine this breaking the prerm scripts and so on.
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2775 [23:02:35] <H2Q> no, first I attempted the purge
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2778 [23:02:55] <H2Q> I tried to follow the solution in the stackexchange link that I posted
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2780 [23:03:08] <H2Q> but no 'purge' command worked
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2783 [23:03:35] <H2Q> replaced-url
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2786 [23:04:54] <H2Q> these are the commands that the said post contains; replaced-url
2787 [23:05:18] <greycat> I am *not* going to try to debug some random stackoverflow post in addition to trying to debug your actual problem.
2788 [23:05:46] <ksk> ack.
2789 [23:05:47] <H2Q> so basically I followed mariadb guide to install mariadb-server as can be seen in the first commands that I pasted in my first link
2790 [23:05:51] <ksk> H2Q: did you perform "apt --fix-broken install"?
2791 [23:06:03] <greycat> from replaced-url
2792 [23:06:10] <ksk> you dont need to follow any guide to do that. you run "apt install maria-package-name"
2793 [23:06:35] <H2Q> ksk, you wanted the outputs but your question relates to the commands, which I posted above
2794 [23:06:40] <H2Q> yes I did
2795 [23:06:57] <ksk> so, do that again, and paste that output.. ( of -f install)
2796 [23:07:08] <H2Q> greycat, yes, several times
2797 [23:07:10] <H2Q> none worked
2798 [23:07:21] <H2Q> every time with the same output as in the first paste
2799 [23:07:27] <H2Q> I mean the same error
2800 [23:07:41] <Miles8of9> why there is no backports in my sources.list? i only have debian and debian-security
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2803 [23:07:55] <greycat> buster-backports is an optional repository, not a default thing
2804 [23:08:13] <greycat> the packages there are provided "as is", no security updates
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2806 [23:09:13] <H2Q> ksk replaced-url
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2809 [23:09:48] <greycat> ,v mysql-client-core-5.5
2810 [23:09:49] <judd> No package named 'mysql-client-core-5.5' was found in amd64.
2811 [23:09:59] <greycat> were you using mysql packages from outside of Debian?
2812 [23:10:08] <H2Q> no
2813 [23:10:30] <H2Q> I even didnt have anything to do with mysql
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2816 [23:11:05] <greycat> ,v mariadb-client-10.3
2817 [23:11:06] <judd> Package: mariadb-client-10.3 on amd64 -- buster: 1:10.3.18-0+deb10u1; bullseye: 1:10.3.21-2; sid: 1:10.3.21-2
2818 [23:11:32] <greycat> I'm very confused by the pathname /var/cache/apt/archives/mariadb-client-10.3_1%3a10.3.21+maria~buster_amd64.deb in your paste
2819 [23:12:37] <greycat> If I do apt-get --print-uris --reinstall install mariadb-client-core-10.3 the resulting uris do not have the string ~buster in them.
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2821 [23:13:52] <ksk> a forum post (from 2019) suggests a package containing "~stretch" is a third party package :(
2822 [23:14:01] <greycat> That's my thought as well.
2823 [23:14:04] <H2Q> as I said, I followed the debian 10 mariadb-server install guide of mariadb. you can see the apt-add-repository command in my above paste with commands. I presume 10.3 comes from there?
2824 [23:14:14] <greycat> You should not be following a "guide".
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2826 [23:14:41] <greycat> And apt-add-repository ?!?
2827 [23:15:01] <greycat> You *definitely* have third-party packages. It's like you went out of your way to do it with third-party crapware.
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2829 [23:15:21] <H2Q> dont overdo it
2830 [23:15:40] <H2Q> it is a reliable package and how could I know that?
2831 [23:15:55] <greycat> I would suggest that you get a list of the installed maria and mysql packages, purge them all one by one, using whatever --force options or editing whatever prerm scripts are needed, UNDOING all the damage you did, and then starting over.
2832 [23:15:55] <H2Q> anyway, I am precisely here for that; to reverse it
2833 [23:16:12] <greycat> Good luck.
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2835 [23:16:56] <ksk> H2Q: but we can only support debian stuff - no third party packages. tbh, I would reinstall the box, if I were you..
2836 [23:17:12] <H2Q> like here as I posted; replaced-url
2837 [23:17:13] <H2Q> ?
2838 [23:17:32] <H2Q> ksk, yeah. I was wondering when I'd hear that
2839 [23:17:41] <ksk> are you using ubuntu? :o
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2841 [23:17:44] <H2Q> no
2842 [23:18:02] <ksk> !ubuntu
2843 [23:18:02] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
2844 [23:18:45] <ksk> there might be a way to repair the package system, but its totally non-trivial. I can only repeat myself: reinstall.
2845 [23:18:58] <H2Q> I said I am not using ubuntu?
2846 [23:19:10] <H2Q> perhaps you can try to help instead of making own assertions?
2847 [23:19:36] <mtn> replaced-url
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2851 [23:20:20] <H2Q> yeah
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2854 [23:21:12] <H2Q> it is not as if I installed some random joe's github repo. it is mariadb and I certainly think there must be a way to remove this
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2856 [23:21:36] <H2Q> it is easy to post bot messages and known links. this is not help
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2858 [23:21:53] <mtn> snort
2859 [23:21:56] <H2Q> yeah
2860 [23:21:57] <H2Q> snort
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2866 [23:23:52] <H2Q> calling mariadb crapware and framing it like a wildly faraway package that interferes with debian in horrible ways
2867 [23:24:04] <H2Q> hwo about some real help?
2868 [23:24:47] <mtn> reinstalling is a great bit of advice
2869 [23:24:50] <H2Q> yeah
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2873 [23:27:48] <H2Q> I am waiting for someone who is willing to tell me how I can remove / repair / sort out things
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2890 [23:38:35] <H2Q> I cant remember how many times I heard these template replies and then was able to fix the problem on my wown
2891 [23:38:37] <H2Q> own
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2894 [23:41:06] <grady> how i can put the "xrandr --output DVI-I-1 --scale 1.5x1.5" to the xorg.conf?
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2899 [23:46:40] <ksk> grady: you dont as far as I know, you put it in your desktops "autostart" file - differs from DE to DE
2900 [23:47:10] <grady> i mean just these scaling options
2901 [23:47:26] <ksk> ~/.fluxbox/startup for example for fluxbox ;)
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2903 [23:47:44] <ksk> I dont think you ever touch xorg.conf nowadayas (though I am new do linux desktops..)
2904 [23:48:00] <ksk> s/do/to/
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2907 [23:50:22] <somiaj> many modern DE's all support f.d.o standards, so a .desktop file in the autostart file will be sufficent for most modern desktops (window manages are another story)
2908 [23:50:33] <edlou> whatwhat was debian using before systemd?
2909 [23:50:46] <edlou> im trying to find history on wiki
2910 [23:51:32] <somiaj> but yea, for xrandr, I would add the info to the xorg.conf file, you just need to create a monintor section, the identifier is the RandR name, so "DVI-I-1" in this case. After that you should be able to do things like Option "Scale" "1.5x1.5"
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2912 [23:51:54] <somiaj> edlou: sysvinit -- and old standard
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2914 [23:51:58] <somiaj> and = a
2915 [23:51:59] <somiaj> an
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2917 [23:52:32] <edlou> thank you very much
2918 [23:52:34] <somiaj> ksk: often times xorg.conf is only needed if the default xorg detects don't work, I put RandR info in my xorg.conf for my multiple monintors
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2925 [23:55:01] <H2Q> besides, I followed mariadb "guide" (the "crapware", that is) multiple times for the same version for debian 10. nothing went wrong. clear evidence.
2926 [23:55:17] <H2Q> you are not willing to investigate into a problem. that's your problem.
2927 [23:55:49] <H2Q> you are here to show how better you know everything
2928 [23:56:01] <somiaj> There is nothing wrong with using thrid party software, provided the third party makes packages for the debian version you are using
2929 [23:56:07] <grady> i have that monitor on there already, so i dont want to make new section for this
2930 [23:56:09] <H2Q> yes they do
2931 [23:56:10] <somiaj> (looks like they are, since they have a buster packages).
2932 [23:56:25] <somiaj> grady: then just add some more Options to the monintor section for your monintor
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2934 [23:56:45] <somiaj> H2Q: the issue is we don't and cannot support what third party packages do, so if you have issues with them, contact the package matainers.
2935 [23:56:46] <grady> but i try with adding these options
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2938 [23:57:18] <H2Q> and you come here bashing my following of mariadb guide, mariadb itself without showing any sign -forget about friendliness- of helpfulness
2939 [23:57:19] <somiaj> H2Q: in general we just don't recommend using third party software when the software is already in debian, and mariadb is already in buster, and that package will probably work better with buster than third-party.
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2941 [23:58:00] <H2Q> somiaj, I am here to know how I can fix the system, remove the packages
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2943 [23:58:08] <H2Q> I am not asking for doing anything with mariadb
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2945 [23:58:23] <somiaj> we don't support them, if 'apt remove packagename' doesn't work due to errors, you have to manually get involved, and fix the errors.
2946 [23:58:30] <ksk> somiaj: okay, good to know, thanks.
2947 [23:58:51] <somiaj> there is no easy way to do this, read the error, then figure out what needs to be done.
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2951 [23:59:09] <grady> well, that dosnt work
2952 [23:59:22] <H2Q> I read it, whatever fix command I enter I get the same errors 'unmet dependencies'..I cant remove. I cant repair
2953 [23:59:27] <somiaj> ksk: I like how you only need snippets to, yo udon't need a whole config file, but only the part you want to change. Makes life easier, so running the old tools like xorg-config or whatever is what I try to avoid having people do. Only change what the defaults don't get right.
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