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1 [00:00:17] <zeroboz> irc.gnome.org is an alias for irc.gimp.org.
2 [00:00:17] <zeroboz> irc.gimp.org has address 51.15.53.172
3 [00:00:17] <zeroboz> irc.gimp.org has address 158.69.32.35
4 [00:00:17] <zeroboz> irc.gimp.org has address 83.98.201.47
5 [00:00:17] <zeroboz> irc.gimp.org has address 130.239.18.215
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10 [00:01:14] <zeroboz> i got kicked for pasting the terminal msg, sorry
11 [00:01:35] <spacebug^> yeah should have used paste.debian.net
12 [00:01:54] <spacebug^> anyhow, DNS works
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15 [00:02:08] <zeroboz> isn't that strange?
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24 [00:03:58] <oo_miguel> I am struggling with formulating some kind of backup-"policy". I have a copule of computers/servers holding some data.. and want to periodiallcy backup data somewhere from somwehere :P.. but I am very unsure how to define the criteria, laying a base to automate it.. to meet my requirements. even not sure how to specity the requirements? (chance in percent to loose the data in 10000 years?). hope go get some
25 [00:04:01] <oo_miguel> advice or links what to read about that...
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27 [00:05:07] <oo_miguel> eh, and this quesion is obviously not really debian specific.. still hope to get some competent ideas on this
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31 [00:05:58] <WoC`> Is there a easy way to make the NetworkManager freshes the ip ?
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34 [00:06:28] <WoC`> renew/refresh
35 [00:07:10] <petn-randall> WoC`: You mean via DHCP? You can disconnect, then reconnect, if that's what you mean.
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37 [00:08:00] <WoC`> Dang
38 [00:08:10] <WoC`> from bash ?
39 [00:08:35] <WoC`> Somehow i only go an IPv6 ip, no ipV4
40 [00:08:50] <WoC`> hup ?
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44 [00:09:44] <petn-randall> WoC`: You can also change it via bash. `nmcli` is the tool.
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46 [00:10:02] <WoC`> OH, TY
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48 [00:10:31] <mdx0> Do I can editing the file: /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf?
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51 [00:11:02] <petn-randall> mdx0: I'm not sure what you're asking for.
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53 [00:11:40] <mdx0> I'd like to configure the wpa_supplicant.conf with an editor...
54 [00:12:02] <mdx0> is that allowed?
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59 [00:12:23] <WoC`> ok, ftw; /etc/init.d/network-manager restart
60 [00:13:02] <WoC`> mdx0: ofc, but use vi
61 [00:13:28] <WoC`> (vim)
62 [00:13:35] <petn-randall> mdx0: I mean, it's not forbidden, but there are probably better ways to reach whatever goal you're trying to achieve.
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64 [00:18:18] <mdx0> do the passphrase in: wpa_supplicant.conf put into brackets?
65 [00:19:00] <petn-randall> mdx0: Are you trying to set up wifi? Because there are easier and better ways to do this.
66 [00:19:33] <mdx0> yes, but i have to take zhe easiest way
67 [00:19:46] <petn-randall> mdx0: I recommend using network-manager, or ifup if you want to set it statically.
68 [00:20:05] <petn-randall> mdx0: network-manager is the easiest way.
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70 [00:21:47] <mdx0> I'm having here a pi with a pre-image and it's in text mode...networkmanager is not installed... and I have to get debian buster into the net...easy
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72 [00:22:30] <petn-randall> mdx0: Ah, I don't know exactly how to set up a pi, you best ask in their support channel. IIRC you can just add the SSID and password to the boot.txt file.
73 [00:22:33] <petn-randall> !raspbian
74 [00:22:33] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
75 [00:22:46] <petn-randall> mdx0: ^^^ ask in here, I'm sure they'll point you to the right way.
76 [00:23:10] <mdx0> petn-randall, it is not raspbian on it ...it's debian
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78 [00:23:30] <petn-randall> mdx0: I thought the kernel doesn't even boot on that.
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80 [00:24:17] <mdx0> but it does
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83 [00:24:41] <petn-randall> mdx0: Where did you get the images from? Genuinely curious, as I have several Pis myself.
84 [00:25:08] <mdx0> replaced-url
85 [00:25:19] <spacebug^> I ran an unofficial Debian on raspberry pi once. I think that used a modified kernel though
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87 [00:26:27] <petn-randall> Ah nice!
88 [00:26:33] <mdx0> =D
89 [00:26:54] <WoC`> mdx0: which kernel ?
90 [00:27:24] <mdx0> if you give me a command I can look
91 [00:27:29] <WoC`> uname -a
92 [00:27:43] <petn-randall> mdx0: In that case I'd use ifupdown for it, see `man interfaces` on how to set it up and edit /etc/network/interfaces. That is more robust, as it allows to set up more than one wifi hotspot, and doesn't make you accidentally use that password against other hotspots.
93 [00:28:16] <WoC`> or /exec -o uname -a
94 [00:28:33] <WoC`> w/o copy/paste
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96 [00:28:52] <petn-randall> That'll only work if they're IRCing from the Pi.
97 [00:29:10] <WoC`> true, but when he does ;)
98 [00:29:34] <mdx0> Linux rpi3 4.19.0-5-arm64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.37-5 (2019) aarch64 GNU/Linux
99 [00:30:00] <WoC`> k
100 [00:30:27] <WoC`> Linux ZEUS 5.4.0-2-powerpc64 #1 SMP Debian 5.4.8-1 (2020-01-05) ppc64 GNU/Linux
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106 [00:35:03] <mdx0> I'm on this toturial :replaced-url
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108 [00:38:15] <mdx0> do the passphrase in: wpa_supplicant.conf put into brackets?
109 [00:38:35] <mdx0> I'm not sure
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115 [00:41:25] <spacebug^> according to 'man wpa_supplicant.conf' you should put it in a line like the following: psk="very secret passphrase"
116 [00:42:14] <mdx0> thanx
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118 [00:44:40] <mdx0> with brackets or without
119 [00:45:30] <mdx0> i guess with
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121 [00:46:57] <mdx0> no without
122 [00:47:03] <spacebug^> brackets? Do you mean the "-sign? In that case yes. As I wrote it
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124 [00:47:49] <mdx0> yeah
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134 [00:56:41] <velix> Anyone with an idea, why my /tmp/ suddenly is ext4 and not tmpfs?
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136 [00:57:15] <velix> Or isn't /tmp/ tmpfs?
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140 [00:58:58] <pfred1> /tmp is just a directory
141 [00:59:10] <Miles8of9> apparmor config files have a simply crazy syntax! very very complicated... lots of options etc..
142 [00:59:36] <pfred1> though apparently a sticky one
143 [00:59:48] <pfred1> $ file /tmp /tmp: sticky, directory
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155 [01:09:51] <mdx0> I'm failed to bring the network up...
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157 [01:11:03] <pfred1> pump it up
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160 [01:13:21] <pfred1> wow there's no package with pump in it today?
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166 [01:20:16] <mdx0> #ifup wlan0 ;ifup: /etc/network/interfaces.d/wlan0: Is a directory; ifup: /etc/network/interfaces:9: option with empty value; ifup: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces"
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196 [01:51:56] <crestfallen> is setting up a digital ocean droplet with a debian server a good way to learn debian? like say with a lamp stack or something..
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213 [02:06:04] <tomreyn> crestfallen: any system you'll regularly play with can be. so whatever motivates you to do so can be fine. such as hosting your own website or services on some VPS or just a VM or tiny hardware at home.
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215 [02:07:05] <tomreyn> the best way to get started is probably to run it on your main computer.
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228 [02:19:21] <crestfallen> thanks kindly tomreyn
229 [02:19:38] <Miles8of9> if i want to run program X not as my regular user, should i create a new user and log in as that?
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239 [02:27:00] <scaredysquirrel> um why would 7-Zip say there is 1431552 bytes of data at the end of firmware-10.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso?
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250 [02:40:14] <scaredysquirrel> can Debian have the latest KDE as Debian packages?
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253 [02:40:40] <dvs> doubt it
254 [02:40:43] <blaketrombone_> probably so if you use unstable
255 [02:40:45] <scaredysquirrel> well it could but does it take writing any new packages or does Debian unstable have these/
256 [02:40:49] <dvs> ,v kde-desktop
257 [02:40:50] <judd> No package named 'kde-desktop' was found in amd64.
258 [02:41:26] <dvs> ,v kde-base
259 [02:41:27] <judd> No package named 'kde-base' was found in amd64.
260 [02:41:31] <dvs> bah
261 [02:41:34] <scaredysquirrel> ,v kdebase
262 [02:41:35] <judd> No package named 'kdebase' was found in amd64.
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264 [02:43:05] <scaredysquirrel> ,v kde-plasma-desktop
265 [02:43:06] <judd> Package: kde-plasma-desktop on amd64 -- jessie: 5:84; stretch: 5:92; buster: 5:102; bullseye: 5:104; sid: 5:104
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273 [02:51:11] <crestfallen> If I have a virtualBox vm, do I need the microsoft RDP to access the vm? What I have is a parrotOS virtualBox "appliance" on debian 10, and I'd like to access that from a debian 9 laptop.
274 [02:51:41] <crestfallen> using only linux protocols if possible..
275 [02:52:04] <crestfallen> i.e. how do I access the vm precisely?
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282 [02:55:54] <crestfallen> ok I'm reading about the VBoxManage command..
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284 [02:56:14] <crestfallen> and VBoxHeadless
285 [02:57:19] <karlpinc> Miles8of9: Or create a new user and "su someuser -c ..."
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293 [03:06:37] <crestfallen> tomreyn, others, I wanted to ask what you thought of ansible, as worthwhile study for gainful employment generally
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296 [03:08:14] <mtcdood> Can someone explain to me why this loop only outputs the filename and not the word zgrep or the thing zgrep is being asked to search for? replaced-url
297 [03:09:10] <tomreyn> crestfallen: i don't really know, and this is probably no longer within the topic here. maybe /msg alis help and find some job ob ansible related channels
298 [03:09:30] <tomreyn> s/ ob / or /
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300 [03:10:10] <mtcdood> it's neither work related nor ansible
301 [03:10:36] <tomreyn> mtcdood: yes, but i wasn't talking to you
302 [03:10:40] <mtcdood> you got it
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304 [03:11:22] <crestfallen> thanks just looking for guidance. appreciate it
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338 [03:23:54] <leeward> I'm having weird troubles trying to use multiarch on a Sid machine I just installed: When I try to install libc6:i386 (amd64 native) it decides it needs to install gcc-9-base:i386 and get rid of gcc-9-base, which leads to all kinds of mayhem. Anyone know what's going on?
339 [03:24:42] <leeward> The only suggestion Aptitude has is to keep all the packages at their current versions.
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479 [05:58:18] <defnotarobot> Hey everyone. I'm trying to install Buster on a laptop with a broken screen. I want to use it as a server so I really just need working sshd, and intend to run it headless. Anyone have any good idea on how to run the installation over ssh? It's no use to attach an external monitor to it, because it won't recognise it until Windows if fully booted.
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481 [06:00:12] <annadane> i believe you can use the text (ie, non graphical) installer for ssh, i've heard that anyway
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483 [06:00:46] <defnotarobot> annadane: any idea how I go about that?
484 [06:01:09] <annadane> it's an option in the regular installer
485 [06:01:28] <annadane> there's "install" and "graphical install", you want the former
486 [06:01:40] <annadane> AFAIK
487 [06:01:43] <JackFrost> The problem is that he most likely can't press buttons, so it has to boot into ssh mode.
488 [06:01:46] <defnotarobot> That sounds like something you'd have to see to select
489 [06:02:02] <annadane> i need to remind myself of how the installer works
490 [06:02:03] <defnotarobot> JackFrost: that's right
491 [06:02:14] <JackFrost> Preseeding, perhaps?
492 [06:02:41] <defnotarobot> I was reading about it, but a bit confused on how to actually introduce the preseed file to the image on a usb
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494 [06:03:14] <defnotarobot> Tried mounting it in a linux system and it was read only. OSX seems to want to pretend like it can't read the usb at all
495 [06:03:48] <defnotarobot> Seems like it would be easier if there were a live usb with sshd enabled by default
496 [06:04:30] <JackFrost> That's likely how I'd do it, might have to manually install but that's not too hard to do anyway.
497 [06:04:53] <m0ssthemgnficent> !windows
498 [06:04:53] <dpkg> "PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work." Support for Microsoft Windows operating systems is available in ##windows on irc.freenode.net.
499 [06:05:21] <defnotarobot> Anyone know of a debian live image that has sshd enabled by default?
500 [06:07:14] <annadane> the only thing is it's not typically recommended to install via live image except perhaps the calamares installer
501 [06:07:36] <JackFrost> You can bootstrap an install.
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503 [06:07:40] <annadane> which i need to look into, i keep mentioning it and never critically looking at it
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509 [06:15:02] <defnotarobot> I guess if I were going to bootstrap it, it wouldn't matter what distro the live cd was. It just needs to boot, and have sshd enabled by default
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518 [06:30:44] <ficklepickle> defnotarobot: Can you pull the hard drive?
519 [06:31:14] <Katana_Steel> The gentoo minimal live cd does have sshd pre-installed... but not started by default
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522 [06:32:46] <ficklepickle> Also, Super + P apparently switches between monitors in gnome. So you could use external monitor. replaced-url
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528 [06:43:04] <Terrell> test - anyone here
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539 [06:58:32] <spamming> hello
540 [06:58:35] <spamming> anyone here?
541 [06:58:39] <gry> yes
542 [06:58:49] <gry> who is spamming your debian?
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544 [06:58:50] <spamming> gry are you talking to me
545 [06:58:55] <spamming> lol
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548 [06:59:57] <spamming> gry got klined
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553 [07:01:24] <spamming> gry: hello
554 [07:01:28] <spamming> u cant say my nick
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558 [07:02:14] <spamming> its considered spamming
559 [07:02:17] <spamming> spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming
560 [07:02:18] <spamming> spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming
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562 [07:02:21] <spamming> spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming spamming
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566 [07:03:15] <gry> Terrell: I'm here
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695 [09:07:45] <defnotarobot> ficklepickle: possibly
696 [09:08:08] <defnotarobot> I just went through the process of trying to boot a live cd with sshd enabled, and secure boot rained on my parade
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698 [09:08:48] <defnotarobot> There are two hard drives in the machine
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700 [09:09:15] <defnotarobot> potentially I could boot into Windows where the external monitor works and install the distro on the one not running the core windows system?
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715 [09:20:17] <ficklepickle> You'd pull the hard drive and connect it to a working computer. Either via a USB adapter or internally. Then install debian and setup ssh server, add your key, then put it back in the laptop.
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717 [09:22:28] <ficklepickle> I got the idea from the accepted answer here: replaced-url
718 [09:22:53] <jetscreamer> anathema
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729 [09:31:00] <rozie> if you have any live with ssh which you can run on this machine, you can use it and then use debootstrap script to install system
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896 [11:41:44] <shtrb> Is there VLC setting for having higher quality playback for DVD ? (CSS2 encrypted I think, had to use libdvd-pkg to be able to play it)
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932 [12:11:31] <littlebit> hi people, i have a raspian where I want it to load a specific kernel module. Now I dont have the small hdmi cable for my pi zero and i wanted to know if there is a file or something that I can set to load that spcific module?
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935 [12:13:46] <AndreasLutro> littlebit: /etc/modules ?
936 [12:14:03] <littlebit> ah ok
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938 [12:17:30] <littlebit> AndreasLutro: and how to enable a service?
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940 [12:18:27] <at0m> littlebit: also, for raspbian there's #raspbian and #raspberrypi (cos it's close to, but not debian exactly)
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944 [12:21:05] <littlebit> true but they are not that responsive
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952 [12:25:30] * cousin_luigi could use some help with modifying a package: namely, in which script should a daemon homedir be created?
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955 [12:27:23] <JustASlacker> does it have systemd?
956 [12:27:33] <AndreasLutro> littlebit: if you have access to the root filesystem (I assume it's an sd card), you can use systemd-nspawn: replaced-url
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958 [12:28:02] <cousin_luigi> JustASlacker: Nope if you're asking me.
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960 [12:28:38] <JustASlacker> cousin_luigi: was asking littlebit :)
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962 [12:29:15] <littlebit> cousin_luigi: ?
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965 [12:30:15] <cousin_luigi> ok:)
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970 [12:36:41] <zln-2> anyone good at raspberry here? cannot get resolution right
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973 [12:39:04] <spacebug^> !raspbian
974 [12:39:04] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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977 [12:41:58] <zln-2> !just a bunch of zombies on #raspbian.
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981 [12:45:20] <at0m> zln-2: #raspberrypi has more action these days. then again, $staff is on during office hours UK
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983 [12:46:43] <zln-2> at0m: thanks! :)
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1067 [13:48:24] <puchy> Hey everyone, I am here with little problem involving dual screen on Kali Linux distro
1068 [13:48:46] <doughy_> what's the problem puchy?
1069 [13:49:04] <diogenes_> !kali
1070 [13:49:04] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
1071 [13:49:34] <check2> I have a ProFTPD config config question. I'm trying to make it so all users have access to ~/downloads but can't access certain sub-directories. I've tried a few options but it seems like my settings for the main directory takes precedence. My config is shown here: replaced-url
1072 [13:49:35] <check2> but no luck.
1073 [13:49:49] <puchy> Ok so, on Win 10 everything is working. I have GTX 1060 6GB connected to 1 monitor and the second one is connected to motherboard so it uses CPU as graphics.
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1076 [13:50:40] <puchy> Hwinfo detects my GTX card but i in settings i dont see my second monitor
1077 [13:50:52] <puchy> Only the one connected to MOBO
1078 [13:51:51] <puchy> dpkg yeah, i messed up my email in regigstration and cant join kali channel so thats why i am here...
1079 [13:51:51] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, puchy
1080 [13:52:50] <puchy> My english is really bad I know but I am trying.
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1084 [13:55:43] <puchy> I have 2 monitors, one connected to motherboard using CPU Intel UHD630, and second one connected straight to GPU GTX 1060 6GB.
1085 [13:55:43] <puchy> On Windows 10 everything is working just fine but on Kali, in settings I just see the display connected to motherboard.
1086 [13:55:44] <puchy> I want to make it dual-display but I dont know what to do. I tried different tutorials, updated drivers etc. so I am here just asking if anyone have idea
1087 [13:55:59] <puchy> maybe now it will be easier to understand
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1089 [13:56:45] <puchy> Oh and important. Only the display connected to motherboard is working in Kali!
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1092 [13:57:13] <spacebug^> this is still only a support channel for debian
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1094 [13:58:15] <puchy> Ok, thanks for trying and sorry for disrupting.
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1097 [13:59:22] <check2> spacebug^: is my question ok? I'm running debian, but I know my question is about software and not the OS. If not, any suggested channels that are more appropriate?
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1106 [14:05:37] <spacebug^> check2: it's included in debian so I would say it's ok. Though I don't know much about proftpd and I don't know any channel for it. There is #proftpd here on freenode but it has no OP and not many there. There is also a forum website but it has an invalid SSL-cert.
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1109 [14:07:04] <check2> Thank you. Yeah, I am in proftpd but no response from anyone yet.
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1111 [14:07:52] <check2> spacebug^: i'll keep hunting, but stay idle here if that is ok in case someone else may know the answer.
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1113 [14:09:01] <spacebug^> check2: replaced-url
1114 [14:09:41] <spacebug^> so try and put the '<Directory /home/tempuser/downloads/vpn>' directive before the '<Directory /home/tempuser/downloads>' directive
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1118 [14:13:17] <check2> just tried, no luck.
1119 [14:13:24] <spacebug^> hum ok
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1166 [14:50:21] <soor1315> heyy
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1170 [14:51:54] <spacebug^> check2: setting 'CWD NLST MLSD MLST STAT' as the limit for the vpn directory works. Not sure why 'ALL' does not work
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1174 [14:57:49] <oo_miguel> I added dns-nameserver and dns-search to the appropriate section of /etc/network/interfaces but after 'systemctl restart networking' it seems to take no effect at all. I expected /etc/resolv.conf to change after that? What am I missing?
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1176 [14:58:38] <check2> spacebug^: can you show me a pastebin of what you did, just tried denying those settings and it still lists but maybe i'm missing something dumb
1177 [14:59:09] <spacebug^> check2: sure, just gonna start my VM again.
1178 [14:59:16] <check2> thank you!
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1182 [15:01:06] <spacebug^> check2: replaced-url
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1184 [15:03:19] <oo_miguel> aah it seems the dhcp client overrides the settings from /etc/network/interfaces...
1185 [15:03:27] <spacebug^> Btw, you don't think you need '<Directory agio /home/tempuser/downloads>
1186 [15:03:32] <spacebug^> bah
1187 [15:04:01] <spacebug^> you don't need the part for '/home/tempuser/downloads' because the default is allow
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1191 [15:08:06] <check2> spacebug^: doesn't that setup their homedirectory?
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1195 [15:09:20] <check2> spacebug^: thank you for your help. for some reason it is still listing even with me copying and pasting your limit and changing the directory to rule out typos. restarted the server. refreshed the directory just in case it was in my clients cache
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1206 [15:15:08] <KOLANICH> Hi. How can I set an apt.conf pref using CLI?
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1208 [15:15:42] <KOLANICH> I mean something like git config but for apt
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1239 [15:35:25] <check2> spacebug^: Got it to work, it ended up working on 1 account and not on another. Thanks again for all the help
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1269 [15:54:21] <magic_ninja> anyone in the know on if debian testing will get the new LTS of plasma
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1272 [15:56:07] <joepublic> I am sure judd knows.
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1281 [16:01:53] <Terrell> I need some guidance backing up a Windows POS system. I have a 129 GB SD card and a 1 TB external Hard Drive. Windows 7 see the SD but not the HDD. Any suggestions on how to back this puppy up? I want it backed up before I repartition and install Debian as a Multiboot system.
1282 [16:02:04] <Terrell> 128 GB
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1289 [16:05:18] <b1ack0p> sup
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1292 [16:06:14] <sponix2ipfw> Terrell: what format is the 1TB?
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1302 [16:12:56] <Terrell> sponix2ipfw, I am not sure if the drive has even been formated. It might not be. It might also be a dud.
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1306 [16:14:48] <Terrell> sponix2ipfw, AND... its running at this point over USB 2.0 and D-Link support told me their "DUB H7" hub will only allow 0.5a Well the drive needs 1a. And I just tested the hub. My DVD player needs 2a and it runs! D-Link told me it won't run. So what the PHd do I know eh?
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1394 [17:10:53] <Zamasu> :v
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1402 [17:13:55] <cousin_luigi> Terrell: The question is: "for how long?"
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1406 [17:16:07] <Terrell> cousin_luigi, this channel split. What is your question/answer refering to...
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1410 [17:17:47] <Terrell> cousin_luigi, if your question is for how long did the DVD player run while powered from the D-Link hub? Since yesterday. About 16 hours.
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1468 [17:50:08] <dob1> I execute for error find .& -type f -iname "*.db" and it found every file... what does .& mean?
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1472 [17:52:34] <GNU\colossus> nothing in particular. the way you typed that in makes your shell stops parsing your command line at "&", and split the command line in two commands.
1473 [17:52:46] <dob1> ah , right
1474 [17:52:59] <GNU\colossus> the first is "find .", which will just list all files in the current directory, and get backgrounded by the shell
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1476 [17:53:25] <GNU\colossus> and the second command will have produced an error, that scrolled out of your view, due to the copious output that "find ." generated
1477 [17:53:28] <dob1> this is why the filter was not used
1478 [17:53:33] <dob1> it was not in the command
1479 [17:53:35] <GNU\colossus> yes.
1480 [17:53:44] <dob1> ok thanks
1481 [17:53:57] <GNU\colossus> if you replace the "&" by ";", you can see both commands execute in sequence
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1483 [17:54:05] <dob1> I got it now
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1485 [17:56:34] <cousin_luigi> Terrell: And for how long will it?
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1499 [18:00:48] <Terrell> cousin_luigi, I shut it off. I do not have an ampmeter I can use at this moment. I presume the DVD will in fact run forever (well - maybe a decade or so)
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1502 [18:03:14] <Terrell> I still need to figure out a good way to back up this POS windows 7 machine. I might actually have to use windows in the future. So I want it running
1503 [18:03:23] <Terrell> or runable
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1506 [18:03:43] <joepublic> windows, boo hiss. sorry you are in that situation :)
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1514 [18:06:57] <Terrell> joepublic, as soon as I get this dog backed up I will NOT be in the situation no more.
1515 [18:07:14] <Terrell> Windows is a real good Point of Sale system.
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1519 [18:09:11] <tangarora_> is there something up withthe debian mirrors today?
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1522 [18:10:38] <tangarora_> preseeding install and geting "mirror does not support the specified release (buster). When I look at the Release file in the default mirror, it is there...
1523 [18:11:12] <tangarora_> strange
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1527 [18:12:39] <somiaj> tangarora_: what mirror are you using?
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1529 [18:13:14] <tangarora_> the installer is doing wget --noverbose replaced-url
1530 [18:13:32] <tangarora_> the installer is doing wget --nov-erbose replaced-url
1531 [18:13:34] <tangarora_> sorry
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1535 [18:13:58] <tangarora_> using the default mirror
1536 [18:14:07] <tangarora_> tried de and se too
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1539 [18:14:42] <somiaj> there is no http.us.debian.org mirror, it is ftp.us.debian.org, but using deb.debian.org is the prefered these days.
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1542 [18:15:12] <Terrell> tangarora_, I don't trust the sedes any more. THey brainwashed a child - poor greta. Ruined for life.
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1544 [18:15:41] <Terrell> s/sedes/swedes/
1545 [18:15:53] <somiaj> hmm, I guess there is a http.us.debian.org at oregon state university, but still that isn't the mirror I recall.
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1549 [18:17:03] <somiaj> Terrell: that is just in appropriate and off topic here. Stay on the topic of debian support.
1550 [18:17:13] <tangarora_> Its the default one in the installer if you tell it nothing.
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1554 [18:17:27] <tangarora_> Terrel; what are you going on about?
1555 [18:17:37] <tangarora_> Terrell; what are you going on about?
1556 [18:17:49] <somiaj> tangarora_: I haven't used the installer in a while, but can you specify the deb.debian.org mirror?
1557 [18:17:55] <somiaj> !ftp.us.debian.org
1558 [18:17:55] <dpkg> Some mirrors like ftp.us.debian.org have multiple machines serving them in a DNS round robin. This often isn't a problem but if one machine hasn't updated properly or is down, this can cause apt to complain (e.g. with hashsum mismatch). Instead, use the mirror CDN <deb.debian.org> or pick an individual mirror that is close to you (ask me about <mirrors>).
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1561 [18:18:22] <tangarora_> ah ok ...
1562 [18:18:27] <tangarora_> thanks
1563 [18:19:04] <somiaj> and the fact it is saying http. instead of ftp. has me confused, didn't even realize there were both.
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1568 [18:22:07] <jhutchins> The older servers tend to have ftp names, but the protocol is mostly disabled.
1569 [18:22:14] <jhutchins> !mirror status
1570 [18:22:14] <dpkg> Debian mirrors have timestamp files we use to determine how recently they have been updated. Here are some statistics the mirror maintainers provide: replaced-url
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1579 [18:31:41] <magic_ninja> Terrell, you should use clonezilla with your external USB HDD. You will need a bootable media. It will create a bit-for-bit copy.
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1583 [18:33:25] <Terrell> I already created bottable USB external media... and the eeePC boots jsut fine... its sitting in Frub right now. But I need to look up grub commands. It does have ls.
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1585 [18:33:47] <magic_ninja> So you skipped the backup step?
1586 [18:34:17] <Terrell> damn typos. s/Frub/Grub/
1587 [18:34:33] <Terrell> No - different laptop. I have 3 of them.
1588 [18:35:19] <magic_ninja> Well, if you want to back up a disk as an image which you can then restore right back to the disk, use clonezilla.
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1593 [18:39:14] <Terrell> Not a bad idea. I presume it runs in windows? 7?
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1596 [18:39:25] <Terrell> In Linux I would use dd
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1620 [18:48:45] <jhutchins> Terrell: There is a bootable clonezilla iso. It is a collection of data copy tools including partclone.
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1623 [18:49:36] <jhutchins> Terrell: If you must run in windows, use a windows compatible backup program. It used to ship with a basic one.
1624 [18:49:55] <jhutchins> Terrell: Also, you may want to upgrade Win7 to 10 before you archive it.
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1627 [18:51:28] <Terrell> jhutchins, that is my thinking. I have 3 computers on 7 and one on 10. I want to back up them all and I want to be able to move the media to the "other" laptop on my desk and boot it and make sure the back up worked!
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1634 [18:54:05] <tangarora_> wierd... same result with : d-i mirror/http/hostname string deb.debian.org
1635 [18:54:13] <tangarora_> cant find buste
1636 [18:54:16] <tangarora_> buster
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1652 [19:00:08] <magic_ninja> Terrell, replaced-url
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1655 [19:05:20] <Terrell> magic_ninja, I'm looking into it.
1656 [19:05:31] <Terrell> It takes a while to go through the docs
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1687 [19:24:45] <magic_ninja> Terrell, you might test on one machine. I would just download the image, flash it to a usb with something like etcher if on windows, and try a clone, especially if you have a test disk.
1688 [19:25:27] <magic_ninja> Terrell, or if you have a virtual machine, you could test on that. It does a pretty good job of guiding you through the options.
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1691 [19:29:50] <Terrell> magic_ninja, my SD is formatted exFat can you tell me what it is?
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1703 [19:33:01] <sponix2ipfw> So, I can launch Synaptic package manager and other things needing root access from the terminal with "sudo synaptic" -- BUT, none of them will launch from the menu any more ( and then ask for the password ) .. They just all fail to start -- any suggestions on a fix ?
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1705 [19:33:33] <sponix2ipfw> Debian 10, xfce, with Cairo Dock
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1718 [19:39:56] <Terrell> magic_ninja, CLONEZILLA LOOKS VERY GOOD. However some issues. This machine does not have linux available. I have another machine sitting in Grub. I haven't look up the Grub commands yet. I used LILO before. I can insert an SD and install Linux on it... its the same SD I was planning on copyiung my other system to. Problem is the target SD is 128 GB and the source HDD is 160 GB of which 73 GB is used. I also have a TB HDD and it might not have a
1719 [19:39:57] <Terrell> filesystem on it. I plan on storing a few system images on that drive and I need to figure out what to use 1) as a format and 2) the tools to do the backup itself. I think I should be able to make the TB HDD bootable under Linux so I have some real tools and not the kids stuff eye candy M$ seems to want to feed us.
1720 [19:41:14] <magic_ninja> Terrell, it is a bootable USB. You don't run clonezilla from linux. You just make a boot USB drive from it. So basically, you would make your OS install USB key, make a clonezilla USB key and then reboot into clonezilla.
1721 [19:41:47] <magic_ninja> Clonezilla can clone and restore windows disks no problem. Make sure there is enough room on your 1TB HDD, as you will use it to store your images. Clonezilla calls that the "Repository"
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1726 [19:44:34] <Terrell> magic_ninja, okay. I have lots of room left on the TB HDD. Its never been used. I don't even know if there is a file system on it. What tool can I use in wondows 7 to find out and do I have to be in root?
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1732 [19:49:53] <jetscreamer> where can i learn more about the process behind the msg i get on_boot (very first thing) " could not get uefi db list "
1733 [19:50:01] <joepublic> instead of looking while on windows, you could boot to a GNU/Linux live ISO and run gparted
1734 [19:51:14] <magic_ninja> Terrell, just format the entire drive as NTFS. You can use disk manager in Windows 7. Start--Run-->compmgmt.msc will bring up the computer manager in there.
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1737 [19:52:10] <littlebit> hi people, I have a pi zerow that i'm trying to connect to as a serial otg device. when I plug it into my pc, I get the following messages in dmesg: replaced-url
1738 [19:52:11] * jetscreamer check channel name, sees he's actually in #debian...
1739 [19:52:45] <jetscreamer> seems to maybe be an upstream kernel bug, the uefi db thing
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1745 [19:54:01] <yescalona> hello, i would like to install gcc6 in my machine with debian10. How can I do it?
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1747 [19:54:28] <jetscreamer> make?
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1749 [19:55:11] <yescalona> i just can install gcc7 using apt. how can i install gcc6
1750 [19:55:52] <jetscreamer> oldstable probably. i forget how to check versions on diff repositories with dpkg
1751 [19:56:01] <jetscreamer> !gcc6
1752 [19:56:38] <joepublic> you could ask judd
1753 [19:56:41] <joepublic> ,v gcc
1754 [19:56:42] <judd> Package: gcc on amd64 -- jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; stretch: 4:6.3.0-4; buster: 4:8.3.0-1; bullseye: 4:9.2.1-3.1; sid: 4:9.2.1-3.1; experimental: 4:10-1
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1760 [20:01:28] <Bushmaster> hi folks, I am simply inquiring about Interrupt Mechanism and if somebody knows it well and care to share, that would be cool!
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1763 [20:04:15] <jetscreamer> #kernel comes to mind?
1764 [20:04:16] <yescalona> thank you judd
1765 [20:05:16] <jhutchins> Terrell: I have successfully migrated a windows system to a new disk with clonezilla, but that was ten years ago, not w7,
1766 [20:06:23] <jetscreamer> dd it
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1769 [20:07:11] <jetscreamer> or shrink the windows install (in windows) and use windows backup. defrag first.
1770 [20:07:17] <jetscreamer> oops
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1772 [20:07:24] <jetscreamer> or ask in ##windows
1773 [20:07:58] <jhutchins> Terrell: It sounds like a live linux image might be useful to you. I don't know if windows still needs special drivers for USB drives, but that might be why it can't see it, and the lack of a filesystem windows understands could also be the reason.
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1776 [20:08:19] <jhutchins> Terrell: Linux is much better at letting you see the hardware directly and telling you what's on it.
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1778 [20:08:40] <jhutchins> Terrell: Windows can't write to a linux filesystem without special drivers.
1779 [20:09:01] <jetscreamer> that cost money, mostly
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1781 [20:09:32] <jhutchins> jetscreamer: I've heard there are free ones.
1782 [20:09:57] <jetscreamer> last time i looked, they blew chunks. but that was a while ago, probably better now
1783 [20:10:08] <jhutchins> Is it still recommended to use the windows tools to resize the windows partitions?
1784 [20:10:41] <Terrell> Ya - that is why I am installing Linux. I sware in 1998 I would never use windows ever again. Now I might need some 3-D commerical modleing softwarfe and I might need wondws to do it.
1785 [20:11:37] <jhutchins> yescalona: So the answer is you really can't yet without building it yourself.
1786 [20:11:42] <annadane> it's pretty sad how people's first experiences with computers is windows, which is broken to hell
1787 [20:11:58] <jhutchins> yescalona: You probably don't want to work with an experimental package.
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1789 [20:15:07] <jhutchins> There's something to be said for a system that insulates you from having to know about hardware and software management and just lets you start working.
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1791 [20:15:51] <jhutchins> Still, I think anybody with any knack for computers eventually wants to get further into it and figure out what's going on behind the sceens.
1792 [20:16:24] <jhutchins> It's so frustrating when I have to do something on a Mac or Windows machine and I can't tell if there's something wrong with it or if it's something I'm doing.
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1795 [20:17:09] <uxfi> test
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1797 [20:19:28] <jhutchins> yescalona: Please disregard my post, I was confusing your question with something else.
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1799 [20:20:26] <jetscreamer> failed
1800 [20:20:54] <jetscreamer> windows works fine. /me ducks.
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1802 [20:21:44] <joepublic> Windows absolutely achieves its intended goals.
1803 [20:21:47] <jetscreamer> the VAR's ruin it
1804 [20:21:57] <jetscreamer> value added resellers. hp and the like
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1806 [20:22:08] <Terrell> Here is a real food one. Windows 97. SCSI HDD. External. Job running in windows. Client accidently turned off the wrong drive. Had several machines running and a stack of external HDDs. Widows 97 said End o9f File. Normal End of Job. Not a single error mssage.
1807 [20:22:18] <joepublic> Those goals just don't intersect with the goals of its users.
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1809 [20:22:37] <jetscreamer> restore from backup. (oops)
1810 [20:22:45] <jhutchins> !snapshots
1811 [20:22:45] <dpkg> replaced-url
1812 [20:23:07] <jhutchins> yescalona: You might be able to find a .deb for it there.
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1815 [20:26:19] <Terrell> I came across this in the windows world. Apparently windows backup will create snapshots and apparently these can be stored on a big HDD - several of tghem - and apparentlyu it need NTFS to do it - why" I don't know why it needs NTFS. Well M$ says they might just depricate windows backup... without warning. WOW isn't that a real winner.
1816 [20:27:19] <jetscreamer> it's not like what you have would stop working though
1817 [20:27:42] <jhutchins> Terrell: Windows really isn't on topic here, but it only works with ntfs by default.
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1820 [20:28:13] <jetscreamer> and how else will they keep the clusers from deleting files if it's not owned by SYSTEM and inaccessible via ntfs permissions?
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1823 [20:28:34] <jetscreamer> what i want to know is how does ms deny root access to a file directory when it's mounted in linux
1824 [20:28:44] <jetscreamer> file/directory
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1826 [20:29:41] <jetscreamer> i forget what file it was, was a while ago
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1829 [20:31:12] <jhutchins> ##windows
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1831 [20:31:46] <jetscreamer> [13.07.24] <jetscreamer> or ask in ##windows
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1836 [20:33:05] <jetscreamer> logged in as root i mean, not 'root access'
1837 [20:33:05] <Eryn_1983_FL> allright peeps
1838 [20:33:35] <Eryn_1983_FL> where are the best places to meet friends and do some business networking in the linux arena?
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1840 [20:34:12] <Eryn_1983_FL> seems all the lugs around me are dried up and blown away :( linux groups on facebook are not friendly to me posting about jobs
1841 [20:35:14] <jhutchins> Eryn_1983_FL: You might try debian-offtopic.
1842 [20:35:22] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
1843 [20:36:03] <jetscreamer> linux conferences
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1846 [20:36:26] <Eryn_1983_FL> well i suppose i could but id have to pay for it
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1851 [20:37:48] <jetscreamer> time for a cost/benefit analysis then, i guess?
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1853 [20:39:54] <Eryn_1983_FL> lets take this to debian -offtopic before admins get po
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1856 [20:41:20] <Terrell> I find people here know their stuff. I am not as confindent in #windows
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1865 [20:49:01] <jetscreamer> !penixstrike abrotman just because
1866 [20:49:01] <dpkg> A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking abrotman just because to the ground and leaving a large wet spot.
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1880 [20:55:37] <tangarora_> ok so the problem with the debian archives was actually a network problem...
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1884 [20:56:39] <tangarora_> usin wifi here... on a laptop. I wonder how to make the debian installer ask for the wifi information if it is not connected to a physical network and gets no ip?
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1889 [20:57:33] <tangarora_> I omitted all the wifi info from the preseed... but it still only asks for the ip information and not essid and password...
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1906 [21:12:25] <magic_ninja> can you force a symbolic link to be created, even if the directory you are point to doesn't exist
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1913 [21:19:01] <bip> hello :)
1914 [21:19:08] <bip> I need a small support for apache2
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1916 [21:21:11] <bip> replaced-url
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1920 [21:23:05] <ksk> bip: take a look at /var/log/apache2/error.log to see whats wrong
1921 [21:23:20] <bip> ahhhhhh damn correct, the log!
1922 [21:24:31] <bip> [wsgi:crit] [pid 26799:tid 139732617995392] mod_wsgi (pid=26799): The mod_python module can not be used in conjunction with mod_wsgi 4.0+. Remove the mod_python module from the Apache configuration.
1923 [21:24:38] <bip> I find this error :)
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1925 [21:25:11] <ksk> soo, which parts of that dont you understand?
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1929 [21:26:39] <filpAM> How to I take advantadge of the 32x abi in debian?
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1931 [21:27:00] <bip> Problem solved ;) the var/log ghgjg this is the solution ^^
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1935 [21:29:59] <strk> how do I get Bluetooth network support with Debian 9 ?
1936 [21:30:19] <strk> the network-manager widget (in Mate Desktop) does not have a "Bluetooth" section at all
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1939 [21:33:39] <bip> ksk, how i can enable php on debian ?
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1959 [21:45:04] <VinceG> I'm getting frustrated... installed Debian as dual-boot.. nvidia drivers doesnt work properly... 50% of the time i get no gui and than i have to purge nivida*.. than it works once and there is also a problem with the connection... 90% of the websites dont load. Can someone help me?
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1973 [21:54:40] <sponix2ipfw> bip: php for the web, or php-cli for command line local scripting ?
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1977 [21:56:13] <sponix2ipfw> bip: never mind, I scrolled up -- you mean for web ... Do a quick Google search "Debian 10 apache2 php" there is TONS of documentation on it
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2019 [22:27:11] <gvth> Hi folks; When I ping a server, occasionally I get this as output: "ping: sendmsg: No buffer space available". Which buffer is filled and how can I avoid that?
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2021 [22:30:04] <sponix2ipfw> gvth: you on wireless ?
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2082 [23:23:54] <Terrell> DOes any version of Debian have the 5.4 kernel?
2083 [23:24:26] <sponix2ipfw> ,v kernel
2084 [23:24:27] <judd> No package named 'kernel' was found in amd64.
2085 [23:24:30] <sponix2ipfw> ,v linux
2086 [23:24:32] <judd> No package named 'linux' was found in amd64.
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2088 [23:24:37] <sponix2ipfw> hmm
2089 [23:24:53] <fearedbliss> Terrell, it's in testing. replaced-url
2090 [23:24:54] <sponix2ipfw> Terrell: it is in Debian 10 backports as we speak
2091 [23:25:10] <sponix2ipfw> fearedbliss: thanks
2092 [23:25:12] <fearedbliss> sponix2ipfw, yup, and in stable-backports
2093 [23:25:29] <sponix2ipfw> I have a terrible time remembering how to work that bot
2094 [23:25:33] <sponix2ipfw> ,v linux-image
2095 [23:25:34] <judd> No package named 'linux-image' was found in amd64.
2096 [23:25:41] <fearedbliss> sponix2ipfw, haha, dont worry, it's the only url I remember
2097 [23:25:46] <joepublic> dpkg: kernels
2098 [23:25:47] <dpkg> Linux kernel versions, stable: 5.4.13, mainline: 5.5-rc6, stable 5.4: 5.4.13, longterm 4.19: 4.19.97, longterm 4.14: 4.14.166, longterm 4.9: 4.9.210, longterm 4.4: 4.4.210, longterm 3.16: 3.16.81, linux-next: next-20200117
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2103 [23:26:56] <sponix2ipfw> Linux sponix 5.4.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.4.8-1~bpo10+1 (2020-01-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux
2104 [23:27:01] <sponix2ipfw> that is my uname -a
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2129 [23:37:47] <at0m> ,v linux-image-amd64
2130 [23:37:48] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u9; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u1~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u1; buster-proposed-updates: 4.19+105+deb10u2; buster-backports: 5.4.8-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.4.8-1; sid: 5.4.8-1; experimental: 5.5~rc5-1~exp1
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2156 [23:54:34] <tangarora_> Ok guys I am so pleased with myself! I finally got my boot media autogeneration script to download debian and cram the non-free frimware in, preseed it so that ti would netinstall over wifi... happy happy...
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2159 [23:55:10] <dvs> !firmware iso
2160 [23:55:10] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
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2164 [23:56:40] <tangarora_> dvs: true, but when you extract that image so you can put a preseed file in it you loose the firmware pieces. They have done some kind of append to the iso such that there is data beyond the end of the file according to 7zip.
2165 [23:57:01] <tangarora_> But for manual install its perfect and simple.
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2167 [23:59:28] <tangarora_> the big challenge was t get the auto join of the wifi network settings. Bit thin on the documentation out there. .
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