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5 [00:02:23] <misterred> jhutchins: replaced-url
6 [00:02:23] <misterred> I have my appimage from some ~/... foler, added to $PATH, but i can't load that program(executable file) by dmenu.Don't give me option(name) of that program to run.
7 [00:02:23] <misterred> replaced-url
8 [00:02:23] <misterred> I can run that program from terminal, so, it is added to my $PATH. Do you know maybe what is problem?
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67 [01:11:58] <myuser> I upgraded my pc with a new chip, memory, and MB. Now I get random freezing. Memtest86 gives no errors. Do I need to do anything so that any new drivers are loaded?
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69 [01:13:24] <OerHeks> myuser, step 1: congrats, you have new hardware, check for a bios update.
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79 [01:16:49] <myuser> OerHeks: I have already updated to the latest firmware
80 [01:17:00] <myuser> and thanks@!
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85 [01:19:19] <petn-randall> myuser: kernel modules are automatically loaded for devices, there's no handwork needed.
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87 [01:19:26] <davidak> How do i request a package update in debian? Issues are not enabled in GitLab :(
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91 [01:20:34] <dvs> davidak, file a bug report?
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95 [01:21:58] <davidak> dvs, is there a special workflow for this kind of report?
96 [01:22:22] <davidak> i only found this for new packages replaced-url
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98 [01:22:43] <dvs> davidak, oh? it's an entirely new package?
99 [01:22:45] <joepublic> a bug in an existing package is not an rfp
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103 [01:26:09] <davidak> dvs, no, it's not a new package. there is a new release upstream and the debian package should get updated
104 [01:26:46] <dvs> davidak, then filing a bug for that package would be the best action.
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107 [01:28:31] <joepublic> "there is a new release upstream and the debian package should get updated" is generally not the case.
108 [01:28:59] <nyov> joepublic: ?
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110 [01:29:15] <nyov> are you saying debian packages are generally up-to-date with upstream? :D
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112 [01:29:28] <joepublic> I am saying the opposite of that...
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116 [01:30:41] <davidak> joepublic, i'm actually not using debian but want to package a debian source package where debian is upstream ;)
117 [01:31:11] <davidak> replaced-url
118 [01:31:34] <davidak> upstream is a website that gets crawled which has version 15.3
119 [01:31:39] <davidak> replaced-url
120 [01:31:46] <joepublic> ,v anarchism
121 [01:31:47] <judd> Package: anarchism on amd64 -- jessie: 14.0-3; stretch: 15.0-2; buster: 15.1-9; bullseye: 15.1-11; sid: 15.1-11
122 [01:32:15] <davidak> so the debian source package needs an update :)
123 [01:32:38] <joepublic> that's a decision the maintainer would make, but conceivably that could be the case.
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129 [01:34:23] <nyov> davidak: you can report a bug against the package: replaced-url
130 [01:34:53] <nyov> since it seems there is no watchfile to inform maintainers of the update, it seems the best way of notification
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195 [02:15:26] <nyov> how do you change the locale for a MATE desktop user?
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197 [02:16:42] <ksk> nyov: you mean $LANG?
198 [02:16:56] <ksk> locales are system-wide.
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201 [02:17:49] <nyov> ksk: hm, no I guess not. already changed locales, $LANG, installed task-$lang-desktop
202 [02:18:02] <ksk> then, what are you trying to do?
203 [02:18:27] <abrotman> did you logout/login?
204 [02:18:27] <nyov> changing the MATE localisation
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206 [02:18:45] <ksk> nyov: look in mate settings? (just guessing..)
207 [02:18:58] <nyov> yes, rebooted. Oh let me check that LC actually took
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209 [02:19:43] <nyov> hm, yes LC_ vars are all set. but desktop after login still is english
210 [02:20:06] <ksk> how do you set the variables?
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212 [02:20:31] <ksk> ~./xsessionrc or similiar? changes in .bashrc for example will not effect the desktop
213 [02:20:43] <nyov> ksk: AH! that is probably the issue
214 [02:21:08] <nyov> so ~/.profile then?
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220 [02:23:26] <nyov> hm, nope. let's try .xinitrc
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225 [02:25:00] <nyov> but it's weird that the MATE control center has no setting for that, right?
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227 [02:25:51] <nyov> maybe I'm missing some package
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241 [02:36:06] <nyov> ksk: ~/.xsessionrc it is! thanks - I actually never used that one before :p
242 [02:36:43] <ksk> .profile is also only for shells and stuff (and actually ~/.bashrc gets loaded via /etc/profile if I remember correctly)
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244 [02:38:06] <nyov> .profile sources .bashrc, if on bash
245 [02:38:17] <myuser> is debian 9 still available for download?
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247 [02:38:48] <ksk> myuser: I would think so. Why would you not go for Buster though?
248 [02:39:40] <myuser> I updated my hardware and wanted to just get my existing system stable.
249 [02:40:38] <dvs> that's really backwards. New hardware usually implies a newer release
250 [02:42:21] <myuser> dvs: True, but I need to get some data off prior to doing so.
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253 [02:43:03] <nyov> myuser: does the issue happen with a livecd?
254 [02:44:18] <myuser> nyov: Let me see if I can find my original install CD. It's just a lot of random freezing. BUT no problems reported by memtest86
255 [02:44:55] <myuser> My guess it is drivers. I went from a quad core intel to a Ryzen 3800x
256 [02:45:31] <nyov> question is what's freezing. and maybe you need to purge some old firmware or drivers?
257 [02:45:37] <ksk> that sounds unlikely. You either have drivers for something, or you dont. It does not make stuff freeze.
258 [02:45:55] <dvs> myuser, Rysen 3000 will definitely need a newer kernel.
259 [02:46:00] <sponix> myuser: what GPU, and what kernel are you on ?
260 [02:46:12] <sponix> dvs: read my mind ;)
261 [02:46:33] <dvs> maybe even newer than buster
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265 [02:50:18] <myuser> don't know the kernel (I'm on another PC) but the GPU is very old.
266 [02:50:23] <sponix> Linux sponix 5.3.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.3.9-2~bpo10+1 (2019-11-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux
267 [02:50:45] <sponix> myuser: you likely wanna pull 5.3 kernel from the backports to support your Ryzen 3000 CPU best
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270 [02:51:37] <myuser> If I d/l the buster 10 live CD that should be stable, correct?
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273 [02:52:00] <dvs> correct
274 [02:52:28] <myuser> The crashing is getting worse. I doubt I'd be able to get the kernel installed.
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280 [02:55:08] <sponix> myuser: this feels more like a hardware issue - honestly
281 [02:55:11] <abrotman> you don't need a GUI to install a kernel from backports ...
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284 [02:55:44] <myuser> sponix: I agree, but no errors with numerous passes of memtest86. Could be MB or CPU though
285 [02:55:47] <sponix> myuser: you checked the temps on the CPU ? Maybe you got a bad TIM application, improper mounting pressure, or hell -- bent pins ?
286 [02:56:27] <myuser> TIM?
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289 [02:57:04] <sponix> myuser: tim = thermal interface material = thermal paste
290 [02:57:42] <myuser> The highest I've seen is 50C
291 [02:58:00] <sponix> what is the idle temp ?
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293 [02:58:09] <myuser> 40C is
294 [02:58:10] <myuser> ish
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297 [03:00:34] <sponix> so on "crash" does it freeze solid, kernel panic, slow down dramatically then lock up ?
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299 [03:01:26] <myuser> the gui blurs. The system is otherwise unresponsive to keyboard mouse. Then, sometimes, it will beep and reboot.
300 [03:01:44] <myuser> but I just swapped hardware... no reinstall.
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302 [03:01:52] <sponix> "blurs" ?
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304 [03:01:56] <myuser> I was hoping it would autodetect and update.
305 [03:03:01] <myuser> sponix: Sorry I don't know if there's a more precise way to describe it. There are lines and the windows get blurred. Think of drinking too much and seeing double.
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307 [03:03:36] <sponix> myuser: post the provided *LINK* from this terminal command: inxi -Fxxxrzc0 | nc termbin.com 9999
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313 [03:06:16] <sponix> myuser: should give you a link like this: replaced-url
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316 [03:08:51] <myuser> inxi not found
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318 [03:09:15] <myuser> sponix: ^
319 [03:09:22] <JackFrost> One might have to install it.
320 [03:10:12] <sponix> doh
321 [03:10:27] <sponix> myuser: yeah.. do "sudo apt install inxi" then after run that magic command
322 [03:10:50] <myuser> That is part of my problem. Network is flaking out. I.e. causes crashes
323 [03:11:01] <myuser> well crashes more often with network activity
324 [03:11:10] <sponix> JackFrost: I forget how stripped down the Debian base is
325 [03:11:17] <JackFrost> USB flash and copy the deb over?
326 [03:11:32] <JackFrost> sponix: Nice tip on -c0 for the pastebin. :)
327 [03:11:33] <myuser> I'm burning a USB now
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331 [03:12:15] <sponix> JackFrost: that is our "Go To" command for Linux Mint troubleshooting lol
332 [03:12:16] <myuser> actually, I got it with apt-get
333 [03:12:22] <myuser> just really slot
334 [03:12:24] <myuser> slow
335 [03:12:24] <sponix> myuser: sweet
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337 [03:12:53] <myuser> what is this supposed to do? I didn't read the man page.
338 [03:13:13] <sponix> myuser: look at my link output for an example of what info it rounds up -> replaced-url
339 [03:13:20] <JackFrost> inxi is a system information script, from graphics, to apt repositories. Also weather if you want.
340 [03:13:38] <myuser> replaced-url
341 [03:13:43] <sponix> Tells about your hardware and software .. a decent snapshot of what you are running, great for troubleshooting
342 [03:13:55] <myuser> and it posts it automatically?
343 [03:14:55] <myuser> oh piped into netcat
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345 [03:15:59] <dvs> myuser, you still running stretch (Debian 9) ?
346 [03:16:11] <sponix> myuser: lol .... You should be burning a USB Installer Stick of Debian 10
347 [03:16:31] <sponix> backing up your important data to an external, and doing a fresh install
348 [03:17:15] <sponix> that Debian 9 kernel 4.9.x is just NOT capable of supporting x570
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351 [03:17:54] <sponix> Do you have another GPU laying around ? that 8400 GS isn't doing you any favors
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357 [03:18:59] <sponix> JackFrost: gotta love how that inxi takes the guess work out of most everything ;)
358 [03:19:18] <myuser> sponix: I got that going on now
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361 [03:20:01] <JackFrost> sponix: apt-cache showsrc inxi | grep Maint :3
362 [03:20:08] <sponix> myuser: sweet... Debian 10 with the 5.3 kernel from backports should do well for the Board/CPU -- then it is just the GPU that is in question
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364 [03:20:19] <myuser> sponix: I just use it to display the GUI. I don't play games or anything.
365 [03:21:27] <sponix> well you might dig around in your couch and see if you can find $100 for a 570, or a 750Ti or something
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367 [03:22:04] <myuser> backports are still needed with Debian 10?
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370 [03:23:15] <dvs> myuser, you need it for the 5.3 kernel
371 [03:24:30] <sponix> myuser: yeah, it isn't that hard to do though. In fact I think the bot has a guide link
372 [03:24:39] <sponix> dpkg backports
373 [03:24:39] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
374 [03:24:50] <myuser> sponix, dvs: Ok, I'll give that a shot for tonight. Thank you all for your help!
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377 [03:26:01] <sponix> myuser: your networking and cpu should work MUCH better on kernel 5.3 branch... The GPU ... well no promises on that ;)
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379 [03:26:22] <exocet> Jajajaj.
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385 [03:31:40] <HeXiLeD> dpkg: sqlite3 header
386 [03:31:40] <dpkg> HeXiLeD: I wish you would RTFM.
387 [03:31:49] <HeXiLeD> ah ffs!
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389 [03:32:40] <pingfloyd> !sqlite3
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400 [03:37:27] <sponix> dpkg sqlite3 header
401 [03:37:27] <dpkg> sponix: I wish you would RTFM.
402 [03:37:38] * sponix kicks dpkg right in the nuts
403 [03:37:52] <dvs> !shut up
404 [03:37:52] <dpkg> No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P
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426 [04:00:21] <debbbbbbian> Why does gparted require password, but gnome-disks does not?
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428 [04:01:19] <sponix> debbbbbbian: to make you ask questions
429 [04:01:33] <debbbbbbian> I thought so
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480 [04:31:18] <judd> [10de:0760] is 'MCP77 Ethernet' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'forcedeth', 'snd-hda-intel' in stretch. See also replaced-url
481 [04:31:41] <nyov> oh well
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534 [05:14:00] <nyov> this is ridiculous. "set mouse-=a" in vimrc.local doesn't work so you have to remove it from /usr/share/vim/vim81/defaults.vim. holy cow
535 [05:14:20] <nyov> still gets me every time
536 [05:14:44] <sponix> mouse ? in vim ?
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539 [05:17:46] <ic56> nyov: I'm curious: when you say "vimrc.local", which pathanme, specifically, do you mean?
540 [05:20:30] <nyov> ic56: I'm using /etc/vim/vimrc.local because it gets sourced from /etc/vim/vimrc by default
541 [05:21:02] <nyov> and so I don't have to patch vimrc again on every vim upgrade
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543 [05:22:00] <nyov> sponix: replaced-url
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546 [05:23:46] <nyov> and this should work but seemingly doesn't in vimrc.local: replaced-url
547 [05:24:01] <sponix> nyov: wow that is pretty damn fancy.. I use to do a vimrc of like 3-5 lines and thought that was too much ;)
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549 [05:25:34] <ic56> nyov: thank you. Modifying /etc/vim/vimrc.local should have worked. Perhaps you created it with restrictive permissions?
550 [05:26:34] <nyov> ic56: how restrictive? permissions are -rw-r--r-
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552 [05:27:42] <ic56> nyov: ah, that should be fine. I had wondered whether you might have created it -rw------.
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555 [05:30:34] <nyov> well it doesn't for me :/ installed package is "vim", btw. not vim-tiny or vim-nox or so.
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564 [05:42:24] <ic56> nyov: just tested it myself, and was able to replicate your problem. The behaviour is this: the files in /etc/vim get read when vim starts but are ignored if you have a ~/.vimrc . Digging further...
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568 [05:46:55] <nyov> oh okay. so ~/.vimrc overrides /etc/vim completely?
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570 [05:48:03] <nyov> (but I didn't even have a ~/.vimrc this newly installed machine)
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572 [05:48:36] <ic56> nyov: yes. This is the behaviour I *observed*. I don't remember whether this is traditional behaviour. Researching...
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574 [05:48:50] <nyov> okay, thanks
575 [05:49:18] <ic56> nyov: about not having a ~/.vimrc . Your /etc/skel directory may have provided one when you created your user account.
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583 [05:58:06] <nyov> I'm pretty certain there isn't one - checked the user and root accounts
584 [05:58:32] <nyov> ic56: oh wait. of course there is. i'm sshing after all
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587 [05:59:21] <nyov> but no, that doesn't make sense. oh well
588 [05:59:30] <Thedarkb-X40> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Ubuntu "artful" 17.10 • CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.40GHz (600MHz) • Memory: Physical: 1.2 GiB Total (590.5 MiB Free) Swap: 945.3 MiB Total (286.9 MiB Free) • Storage: 24.0 GB / 31.8 GB (7.8 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device @ Intel Corporation 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV Processor to I/O Controller • Uptime
589 [05:59:30] <Thedarkb-X40> : 3w 1d 1h 47m 34s
590 [05:59:42] <Thedarkb-X40> I'm thinking of putting Debian on this.
591 [05:59:56] <nyov> xD good save
592 [06:00:04] <Thedarkb-X40> Last time I tried, the WiFi drivers refused to work, do you think the issue will have been rectified in Buster?
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594 [06:02:08] <Thedarkb-X40> It's a Calexico2 card, with the firmware and driver packages installed, it just spat out "Link is not ready"
595 [06:02:14] <Thedarkb-X40> Which is not particularly informative.
596 [06:02:20] <Thedarkb-X40> It works under Ubuntu, inexplicably.
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601 [06:03:09] <nyov> try it on a live-cd?
602 [06:03:17] <Thedarkb-X40> That's the plan.
603 [06:03:39] <Thedarkb-X40> I'm on a very slow DSL connection, so I kind of want to know beforehand.
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605 [06:04:13] <Thedarkb-X40> I use this machine to make 32 bit builds of my apps.
606 [06:04:31] <Thedarkb-X40> It's also good at exposing areas for optimisation.
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613 [06:12:30] <ic56> nyov: my test results are erroneous. Forget what I told ou about ~/.vimrc taking priority. It doesn't. Mine merely contained settings that misled me during testing.
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615 [06:15:01] <ic56> nyov: perhaps something else runs after /etc/vim/vimrc.local, and resets your change. Try this: vim --startuptime outputfile # it will show you the sequence of events. May help you debug. I'll dig a little further.
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617 [06:15:33] <nyov> ic56: okay, so setting "set mouse-=a" in your /etc/vim/vimrc or vimrc.local does disable the horrible visual mode?
618 [06:15:58] <nyov> on vim 8.1 / buster?
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620 [06:16:47] <ic56> nyov: don't know what "mouse" does. I have just been chasing you assertion that your setting was being ignored.
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622 [06:18:16] <nyov> it switches vim to visual mode when you try to mouse-select text from the terminal window
623 [06:18:45] <nyov> instead of highlighting the selected text and putting it in the copy/paste buffer-whatsitsname
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625 [06:20:44] <nyov> vim --startuptime /tmp/test just opens an empty file
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627 [06:21:17] <ic56> nyov: that's right. Now, exit from vim, and view the file it created -- /tmp/test
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629 [06:26:27] <nyov> yeah, WTF? replaced-url
630 [06:26:49] <nyov> why is it sourcing vimrc.local and THEN overriding it with $VIMRUNTIME/defaults.vim
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638 [06:36:57] <ic56> nyov: maybe vim --startuptime shows sourced files in the *completion* order. So, if a file 1 sources file 2, we will see "sourcing file 2... sourcing file 1".
639 [06:39:06] <nyov> well, no idea. shrug. that's just too weird for me, hehehe. I only know the vimrc.local setting doesn't work for the mouse. rest is okay.
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642 [06:40:43] <nyov> ic56: thanks for the help. I'll move on to other work now
643 [06:41:30] <ic56> nyov: confirmed on --startuptime's output order.
644 [06:41:47] <ic56> nyov: you're welcome. Bye.
645 [06:42:24] <nyov> okay, maybe I'll get around on filing a bug report for that
646 [06:43:14] <ic56> nyov: probably not a bug.
647 [06:43:56] <ic56> nyov: oh, if you meant --startuptime's order, that is definitely not a bug. It's a reasonable (and helpful) behaviour.
648 [06:44:46] <ic56> nyov: because it is meant to show you how long each task took. That info is only available after a task is completed.
649 [06:44:47] <nyov> well, if the setting doesn't allow overriding, that's a bug in my view
650 [06:45:25] <nyov> whatever the cause for that
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653 [06:52:11] <ic56> nyov: now I can reason about this correctly. Your sequence of init files differs from mine: yours sources more files. Specifically: /defaults.vim (and its dependencies, which precede it in --startuptime's output).
654 [06:52:35] <ic56> nyov: now I can reason about this correctly. Your sequence of init files differs from mine: yours sources more files. Specifically: $VIMRUNTIME/defaults.vim (and its dependencies, which precede it in --startuptime's output).
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656 [06:53:06] <ic56> nyov: (sorry about the repeat; had to fix a typo)
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662 [06:57:34] <nyov> ic56: okay, but does that change anything?
663 [06:57:50] <bbt> what packages do i need to apt remove to switch a desktop version to server minimal?
664 [06:58:31] <nyov> bbt: probably task-desktop and maybe other task- meta-packages
665 [06:59:25] <bbt> task-desktop?
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667 [07:00:21] <bbt> i just did apt remove *desktop seems to have got some of it
668 [07:01:07] <bbt> task must have been in that list too as it wasnt install when i tried just then
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684 [07:20:10] <ic56> nyov: I found the answer to your problem. The behaviour is intentional and documented in /etc/vim/vimrc (starting at line 12, in my version). To prevent this behaviour, uncomment this line: " let g:skip_defaults_vim = 1
685 [07:21:32] <nyov> ic56: oh boy. how cruel is that. -.-
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689 [07:25:33] <nyov> ic56: yeah I can confirm it works now, if I put that line into vimrc.local
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698 [07:32:24] <ic56> nyov: yes. Actually, I would call that bad design. You might consider opening a trouble ticket, to request that Bram eliminate the hardcoding inside vim which seeks out $VIMRUNTIME/defaults.vim . If they really want to, they could source the extra files from /etc/vim/vimrc . I understand why they did it this way: to implement this specific behaviour via configuration commands, they would have to repeat lots of logic that already exists inside the vim executable
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709 [07:40:43] <ross`> Can anyone here help me get dhcp for ipv4 working on my libvirt vm? dhcp6 works fine. Both host and vm are debian.
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714 [07:55:17] <nyov> ross`: what do you mean by that? dhclient or dhcpd?
715 [07:55:55] <nyov> or: who is client, who is server?
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720 [08:00:00] <ross`> nyov: client, but I'm using dhcpcd
721 [08:00:19] <ross`> the dhcp server is actually my router.
722 [08:00:27] <ross`> I want both host and vm to get dhcp from router.
723 [08:00:41] <ross`> bridge networking
724 [08:00:55] <ross`> I have my bridge device setup and it works perfectly fine for ipv6
725 [08:01:01] <ross`> but ipv4 something is blocking
726 [08:02:20] <nyov> ross`: how is the network setup? bridge/nat/user-networking or other?
727 [08:02:37] <nyov> you'll need UDP traffic for port 67/68
728 [08:02:51] <nyov> natted, or bridged
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730 [08:03:49] <nyov> ross`: sorry I skipped those lines :p. can you use tcpdump/wireshark on the host, to check on the traffic?
731 [08:04:04] <Peyam> Hi. any of you has exerience in redshift?
732 [08:04:16] <nyov> lots of redshifts
733 [08:04:41] <nyov> i'm practically redshifting all the time ;)
734 [08:05:07] <Peyam> do you know how to configure it?
735 [08:05:15] <Peyam> with altitude and longitude?
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737 [08:05:50] <nyov> uhm. you didn't mean amazon redshift? or the colormanager redshift? what redshift do you mean?
738 [08:06:01] <ross`> nyov: now I'm even more confused. I restarted the machine and had networking on the host. Then this time I was able to get dhcp4 on the vm, but when it did the host lost networking and only the vm had it.
739 [08:06:08] <ross`> This doesn't make any sense to me.
740 [08:06:14] <Peyam> replaced-url
741 [08:06:18] <ross`> I'm not sure what could be wrong with the bridge
742 [08:06:22] <OerHeks> redshift -l LAT:LON
743 [08:07:06] <nyov> ross`: looks like the dhcp server is giving you IP for the host's MAC address?
744 [08:07:23] <OerHeks> so; Amsterdam would be redshift -l 52:4
745 [08:07:34] <ross`> nyov: no! It's not it's giving it a different ont
746 [08:07:42] <ross`> That's what's even more confusing about it.
747 [08:07:46] <nyov> hm
748 [08:07:47] <ross`> the host has 10.0.0.2 dhcp from router
749 [08:07:50] <ross`> and the vm gets 10.0.0.24
750 [08:08:25] <ross`> Yeah, as soon as the vm connects and does dhcp the host loses networking
751 [08:09:26] <ross`> Also, this vnet0 device is created on the host when the vm comes up that has a 169 ip
752 [08:09:41] <nyov> ross`: does the host lose the IP? and what does the network log, does the dhcp server revoke the host's IP maybe?
753 [08:09:55] <ross`> The host doesn't seem to lose the ip
754 [08:09:57] <ross`> it just can't route
755 [08:10:14] <ross`> I don't know why it would revoke the host IP.
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757 [08:10:24] <ross`> the mac address of the host and vm are different
758 [08:10:25] <nyov> well, if the address is replaced by an 169 APIPA then it looks like the dhcp server said, nope
759 [08:10:43] <nyov> curious
760 [08:10:51] <ross`> the mac and ip of the host and server are both different
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762 [08:10:59] <Peyam> OerHeks, lon 4 for amesterdam? no decimals?
763 [08:11:36] <jm_> Peyam: it's man page has an example how to start it
764 [08:11:37] <ross`> I have never seen anything like this before
765 [08:11:41] <jm_> its too
766 [08:12:14] <ross`> My router is a google fiber router. I think it does do some stuff via forced dhcp for routing, but it still shouldn't drop the host when the vm makes a request.
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770 [08:13:50] <OerHeks> Peyam, not really needed
771 [08:13:50] <nyov> could be MAC address spoofing protection, so only one device can be on the link? shrug
772 [08:14:02] <Peyam> I'm getting Failed to set manual option.
773 [08:15:06] <ross`> nyov: Maybe how would I check for that.
774 [08:15:07] <nyov> ross`: I'd really look at the traffic. best way to diagnose
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787 [08:19:03] <ross`> what's even more weird is that right now after doing an ifdown on the vm and an ifdown then ifup on the host the host has access to google.com but can't ping any other ip
788 [08:19:09] <ross`> I'm so completely confused right now
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793 [08:22:42] <ross`> And then sometimes, anytime I ping something it hangs for a few seconds, and then starts working
794 [08:22:49] <ross`> when I reboot the machine and networking on the host works
795 [08:22:55] <nyov> magic google box?
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797 [08:23:49] <ross`> Yeah, when networking works on the host, and then I start the vm networking completely breaks on the host. Then if I stop the vm and bring the network devices down and up on the host I don't have any networking except google. I can't even ping the router.
798 [08:23:56] <ross`> I don't know what could be causing this behavior.
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800 [08:24:23] <nyov> ross`: make sure you've taken the other IP stack out of the equation when testing, so IPv6 doesn't lead you astray
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803 [08:24:49] <ross`> nyov: Yes, I've done that.
804 [08:24:57] <nyov> ok
805 [08:25:20] <Nashir> hello
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811 [08:29:25] <ross`> nyov: I think either the docker or pia iptables rules that I had in place were messing things up.
812 [08:29:40] <ross`> Not sure how, but completely flushing iptables seems to fix stuff.
813 [08:29:44] <ross`> Shoulda done that before bugging irc.
814 [08:29:46] <ross`> Thanks for your time
815 [08:29:49] <nyov> nice
816 [08:30:32] <nyov> didn't think of iptables when you said bridge
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818 [08:31:07] <ross`> I know right :shrug:
819 [08:31:09] <ross`> I didn't either.
820 [08:31:21] <ross`> pia had like 40 rules in there though for the vpn.
821 [08:31:30] <ross`> So idk what it was doing, but my guess was that was it.
822 [08:31:48] <ross`> And it was operating on the 10/8
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840 [08:39:00] <ross`> nyov: Actually I sorta got lucky.
841 [08:39:06] <ross`> It only works if I dhcp on eth0
842 [08:39:10] <ross`> and then initialize the bridge.
843 [08:39:15] <ross`> If the bridge does the dhcp
844 [08:39:19] <ross`> then it gets confused.
845 [08:39:25] <ross`> I still don't know what that is.
846 [08:39:26] <ross`> why*
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849 [08:42:24] <nyov> ross`: not sure if that helps, but you could try adding a dummy0 interface to the bridge and give that the IP
850 [08:42:31] <nyov> for the host
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857 [08:49:32] <ross`> Okay, now I have to deal with something else that is super broken.
858 [08:49:57] <ross`> The vm can ping router and the other devices on the local network.
859 [08:50:02] <ross`> The host can't ping anything on the local network
860 [08:50:07] <ross`> the vm can't ping the host
861 [08:50:11] <ross`> but they both have internet
862 [08:50:42] <ross`> Also, other computers on my local network can't ping the host either.
863 [08:51:05] <ross`> Does that make even a shred of sense to anyone?
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866 [08:55:11] <nyov> ross`: the iptables stuff is empty now?
867 [08:55:41] <nyov> if in doubt, you can try this replaced-url
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869 [08:57:27] <ross`> nyov: ya
870 [08:57:47] <ross`> nyov: yep, I ran those bottom 4 rules
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872 [08:58:08] <nyov> ebtables -L is empty?
873 [08:58:18] <nyov> looks weird indeed
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875 [08:59:13] <ross`> ya
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878 [09:02:32] <ross`> OK, I'm pretty sure mac address spoofing is disabled.
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880 [09:02:47] <ross`> Because I changed the mac address of the bridge device and it got the dhcp static designated for another one
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882 [09:02:58] <ross`> How do I fix that.
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885 [09:04:37] <nyov> don't think you can easily fix that. that's what the MAC is for
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907 [09:30:46] <jim> I'm trying to get the build deps for building a linux kernel, and when trying to do that, I got this: replaced-url
908 [09:31:11] <jim> !tell me about bat
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913 [09:35:21] <jim> as far as item (2) of bat, I dunno what packages you want apt-cache policy of... but here's apt-cache policy: replaced-url
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922 [09:37:37] <OerHeks> [2019-12-13] Accepted kernel-wedge 2.102~bpo10+1 (all source) into buster-backports, buster-backports , backports have it?
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927 [09:41:47] <jm_> check what policy shows for linux
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930 [09:44:03] <jim> oh good idea... I also dug thru output of the first command, couple packages in there too
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932 [09:44:44] <jim> , v kernel-wedge
933 [09:44:45] <judd> Package: kernel-wedge on amd64 -- jessie: 2.90; stretch: 2.96; stretch-backports: 2.99~bpo9+1; buster: 2.99; buster-backports: 2.102~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2.102; sid: 2.102
934 [09:45:04] <jim> OerHeks, looks that way :)
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942 [09:49:03] <jim> here's the package policies: replaced-url
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949 [09:56:22] <ross`> I think my dhcpcd is misbehaving
950 [09:56:28] <ross`> it's doing dhcp even when I have inet manual
951 [09:56:37] <ross`> and it always restarts when i kill it
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953 [09:57:26] <ross`> how do I get dhcpcd to stop running on a device.
954 [09:57:41] <ross`> There are no dhcp directives for any interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces
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956 [09:57:48] <ross`> but dhcpcd still somehow wants to do work on the device
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959 [09:59:05] <horseshoecrab> ross`: do you have some sort of network tool thing running? something that ignores the network/interfaces file? (connman or something like that maybe)
960 [09:59:29] <ross`> No.
961 [09:59:34] <ross`> Not that I know of.
962 [10:00:03] <horseshoecrab> if it gets really annoying maybe just uninstall dhcpcd if you wanna go static. it should be reasonably safe to do so (but obviously don't just take my word for it!)
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964 [10:00:50] <nyov> ross`: I'd try the other dhcp client package
965 [10:01:01] <nyov> for testing
966 [10:01:04] <ross`> I just want to know why dhcpcd is so agressive
967 [10:01:16] <nyov> who spawns it?
968 [10:01:17] <ross`> why does it keep running
969 [10:01:19] <ross`> I have no idea
970 [10:01:27] <ross`> I don't have network manager or anything like that
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972 [10:02:41] <ross`> how would I create a dummy device like you suggested for the host
973 [10:02:48] <ross`> So that the host doesn't use eth0 or br0 directly
974 [10:03:05] <ross`> but just has its own dummy that has its own mac address
975 [10:03:10] <ross`> and gateways through that for default traffic
976 [10:03:23] <ross`> Or would that only be possible with NAT routing
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978 [10:05:15] <nyov> modprobe dummy; brctl addif br0 dummy0; ip addr add ...something... dev dummy0
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980 [10:05:19] <nyov> something like that
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982 [10:06:09] <ross`> This is infuriating me
983 [10:06:15] <nyov> I dont think it can have it's own mac though
984 [10:06:17] <ross`> I literally have the interface config for eth0 to static
985 [10:06:20] <ross`> and it's forcing dhcp
986 [10:06:26] <jm_> jim: so try to install the version from bpo
987 [10:07:16] <nyov> ross`: systemd?
988 [10:07:59] <nyov> or rather; is systemd-networkd running, or something like that?
989 [10:10:00] <ross`> No and it's seemed to have stopped.
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991 [10:10:20] <ross`> And I can set an IP address statically on just the eth0 interface but not the br0 interface when I only have an eth0 interface.
992 [10:10:36] <ross`> google router accepts it
993 [10:10:42] <ross`> and lan devices can ping it.
994 [10:10:54] <ross`> Why is bridge mode giving me so many problems! This doesn't make any sense at all.
995 [10:11:14] <ross`> dhcpcd isn't running and it's not giving me ipv6
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997 [10:11:35] <ross`> Another thing that was weird was that it was giving me ipv6 on dhcp even when I had no inet6 in the interfaces file,
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999 [10:11:45] <ross`> It's like before now it was completely ignoring certain things in the interfaces file.
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1001 [10:15:24] <ross`> Something before and I don't know what I did to fix it was inviting dhcpcd to the party when it wasn't invited.
1002 [10:15:29] <ross`> It seems to have magically stopped now.
1003 [10:16:21] <jim> ,v linux
1004 [10:16:22] <judd> No package named 'linux' was found in amd64.
1005 [10:16:29] <ross`> Also, before I had conflicting default gateway for 0.0.0.0 in route -n
1006 [10:16:33] <ross`> now it just shows br0
1007 [10:16:35] <ross`> eth0 has no ip information
1008 [10:16:41] <ross`> and br0 has ip information statically
1009 [10:16:55] <jim> ross`, do you have VMs?
1010 [10:16:59] <ross`> The issue (idk how it happened) was eth0 was getting configured simultaneously because dhcpcd was not invited.
1011 [10:17:08] <ross`> I think it's all working now though as intended.
1012 [10:17:56] <ross`> jim: yes
1013 [10:18:00] <ross`> Okay, absolutely everything works now.
1014 [10:18:04] <ross`> host and vm can ping internet
1015 [10:18:11] <ross`> host and vm can ping eachother
1016 [10:18:14] <ross`> dhcpcd isn't running
1017 [10:18:27] <ross`> dhcpcd isn't working on eth0 all the time even when it was told manual.
1018 [10:18:31] <ross`> I have no idea what fixed it either
1019 [10:18:43] <ross`> I have the exact same configuration I had when I started.
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1022 [10:19:07] <jim> ross`, that's usually how you configure the bridge, and you configure the ethernet as iface eth0 inet manual
1023 [10:19:41] <ross`> yes, I had that and dhcpcd just ignored it
1024 [10:19:43] <ross`> I have no idea how
1025 [10:19:51] <ross`> or how dhcpcd was resurrecting itself when I killed it.
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1029 [10:22:45] <ross`> I don't think the underlying problem is solved, but I did notice this now:
1030 [10:22:54] <ross`> Jan 06 02:05:36 coffee systemd[1]: dhcpcd.service: Start request repeated too quickly.
1031 [10:22:57] <ross`> Jan 06 02:05:36 coffee systemd[1]: dhcpcd.service: Failed with result 'start-limit-hit'.
1032 [10:23:00] <ross`> Jan 06 02:05:36 coffee systemd[1]: Failed to start DHCP Client Daemon.
1033 [10:23:03] <ross`> Jan 06 02:05:36 coffee systemd[1]: dhcpcd.service: Start request repeated too quickly.
1034 [10:23:06] <ross`> Jan 06 02:05:36 coffee systemd[1]: dhcpcd.service: Failed with result 'start-limit-hit'.
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1036 [10:23:13] <jm_> hehe
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1042 [10:31:01] <jim> jm_, added deb-src lines for backports, apparantly linux is in there
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1044 [10:31:46] <jim> bad ross...
1045 [10:31:53] <jim> bad BAD ross...
1046 [10:32:05] <ross`> I still don't know what was causing dhcpcd to tag eth0, but I did figure out what was auto starting it. I've disabled it in systemctl
1047 [10:32:05] <jim> bad bad spammyu ross...
1048 [10:32:28] <ross`> jim: I'm a bad dirty sysadmin. I better to take a cold shower and reflect on my bad behaviors
1049 [10:32:31] * ross` showers
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1052 [10:32:47] <jim> I'm not sure why you[re getting those old names for the interfaces
1053 [10:33:06] <ross`> because I've intentionally disabled dev names.
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1060 [10:34:17] <jim> ross`, oh ok
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