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• 3[00:01:28] <vetru> jhutchins: ls * does not show it
• 4[00:02:03] <vetru> Well. It might be something different now. I was succesful it getting the file on a local folder. I was putting into a vbox shared folder and it was failing
• 5[00:02:23] <vetru> In fact it is still failing in that shared folder and not anywhere else.
• 6[00:02:25] <vetru> Pretty confusing
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• 26[00:29:04] <vetru> ha nvm again. im dumb.
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• 54[01:02:41] <ThiefMaster> why do packages like nginx not install the vim syntax files provided by upstream, and why if there not even a separate package containing those files?
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• 61[01:08:51] <dmzpub> ThiefMaster: sometimes, those files go to /usr/hare/doc/pkgname/examples/
• 62[01:09:17] <ThiefMaster> dmzpub: that's quiet stupid to be honest. it requires manual action beyong just installing the package to actually use them..
• 63[01:09:59] <ThiefMaster> also, i checked and nginx didn't put anything useful there
• 64[01:10:06] <ThiefMaster> s/beyong/beyond
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• 66[01:11:01] <dmzpub> replaced-url
• 67[01:11:06] <ksk> ,file nginx.vim
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• 69[01:11:11] <judd> Search for nginx.vim in buster/amd64: nginx-common: usr/share/vim/addons/ftdetect/nginx.vim, usr/share/vim/addons/ftplugin/nginx.vim, usr/share/vim/addons/indent/nginx.vim, usr/share/vim/addons/syntax/nginx.vim
• 70[01:11:12] <ksk> eh, what was the syntax?
• 71[01:11:18] <ksk> ah, it was correct
• 72[01:11:19] <ksk> ThiefMaster: ^
• 73[01:11:49] <ksk> maybe try a different wording next time, seems you were wrong.
• 74[01:11:59] <ThiefMaster> :facepalm: i just realized i was in an ubuntu container, not a debian container
• 75[01:12:03] <ThiefMaster> so maybe their package is inferior ;x
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• 78[01:13:30] <JackFrost> Ubuntu has the same files.
• 79[01:14:32] <ThiefMaster> hrm, gonna check my vim config then since it doesn't seem to load it. maybe something i messed up with my dotfiles. sorry for being snarky about the initial (non-)issue
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• 82[01:16:44] <ThiefMaster> looks like vim has /var/lib/vim/addons in &runtimepath but not /usr/share/vim/addons
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• 85[01:20:00] <ThiefMaster> ah, vim-addon-manager
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• 281[04:01:12] <GigaFlow> sshd service an't bind address because it gets address from the router to late
• 282[04:01:15] <GigaFlow> how to fix that?
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• 294[04:16:31] <pedro_> hello
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• 296[04:19:29] <pedro_> hello
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• 298[04:19:58] <pedro_> my first experience with irss
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• 301[04:32:23] <ZeroBeholder> Hello.
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• 305[04:34:02] <ZeroBeholder> pedro__: I feel like your question about irss will be beyond me, but shoot. Worst case scenario, other eyes see your dilemma and your chances go up...
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• 311[04:38:33] <martigan> Hello everyone! Is the spice-vdagent package necessary to set up a shared file between a Debian 10 guest and Debian 10 host running qemu/kvm??
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• 313[04:41:16] <martigan> Or is it the recommended way I should have said, I'm trying to set up a shared file between the guest and host and have set the shared file system settings in Virt Manager pointed to the correct file, with the Driver set to Default and the mode set to Mapped and the shared directory is not being mounted by the vm.
• 314[04:44:47] <martigan> The only experience I have setting these up was with a Whonix guest which worked fine and the only difference I can see is that the Whonix guest was running a spice-vdagent service. Reading up on the package makes me think it may be the solve to my problem?
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• 321[04:50:59] <ZeroBeholder> martigan: Sorry man, out of my depth. Just saying something because I get down when I'm not sure people even saw my question on account of zero people replying at all. May your google searches be blessed and another smarter person stumble on your question.
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• 324[04:54:28] <martigan> ZeroBeholder: Thanks for your blessing. lol I didn't see your question so I don't have an answer for you either. My your searches be equally blessed.
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• 336[05:12:19] <ZeroBeholder> martigan: I don't have a question today, just lurking in case I can help with stuff I do know about. The community only works with give and take. Today, I am maybe giving.
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• 350[05:40:21] <Astronomical_Hor> Hello, World!
• 351[05:40:35] <lovetolearn> nvz, i know ur here somewhere :)
• 352[05:40:41] <lovetolearn> Astronomical_Hor, hi
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• 354[05:40:58] <Astro> Hello lovetolearn
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• 356[05:41:51] <lovetolearn> how r u today
• 357[05:41:51] <Astro> I have a few questions about the old-stable of Debian.
• 358[05:42:01] <Astro> Good! You?
• 359[05:42:15] <lovetolearn> I'm tired
• 360[05:42:18] <Astro> Code name Stretch.
• 361[05:42:33] <lovetolearn> nvz is the point person for me
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• 363[05:42:46] <lovetolearn> not sure if he is busy right now though
• 364[05:42:46] <Astro> sweet
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• 366[05:43:21] <Astro> are you familiar with the Debian Disto's?
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• 368[05:43:54] <Astro> Or Linux in General?
• 369[05:44:02] <lovetolearn> ask your question - someone will likely see it as soon as they catch up on their backlogs :)
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• 371[05:44:16] <Astro> Okay, Thank You!
• 372[05:44:19] <lovetolearn> ask your questions*
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• 374[05:45:25] <lovetolearn> I transitioned to Linux from Win10, around October 2019
• 375[05:45:29] <Astro> In my Debian Distro I ran the htop program and i see three diff entries for user "rtkit". Is this normal?
• 376[05:46:06] <Astro> Nice, I've been with it for about three and one half years. Lovin it! =)
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• 378[05:46:37] <Astro> Or, should there be rootkits running on my Linux System.
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• 380[05:47:23] <Astro> lovetolearn, I am studying for Application Engeiring. Even though i can't spell. lol
• 381[05:47:53] <lovetolearn> Astro I hope you enjoy it!
• 382[05:48:27] <lovetolearn> Linux can be used for that and much more as we know by now :)
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• 384[05:49:21] <Astro> lovetolearn, I Do! There is almost nothing more gratifying than solving problems that others believe they could not do. If they only knew that all it takes is a curious mind!
• 385[05:50:51] <lovetolearn> I like what you've said there - absolutely right.
• 386[05:51:09] <Astro> @lovetolearn, How fluent are you in the Linux World?
• 387[05:51:37] <lovetolearn> I'm just learning basic commands for the Terminal.
• 388[05:51:41] <Astro> @lovetolearn, I see you said you came to Linux in October,
• 389[05:51:45] <Astro> Thx,
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• 391[05:52:16] <lovetolearn> Yup, I had to make the switch.
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• 393[05:52:42] <lovetolearn> Pls advice ppl to back up everything before even trying the live version of Linux.
• 394[05:52:42] <Astro> How Come?
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• 396[05:52:50] <Astro> If I may ask
• 397[05:53:46] <lovetolearn> Linux is more freedom-respecting, secure, and allows you to look at the source code for free as in freedom, distributions of Linux.
• 398[05:54:42] <Astro> @lovetolearn, Respect, And Welcome To The World Of Open Source! =)
• 399[05:54:45] <lovetolearn> And you can modify, copy, distribute, and research the code and related works that are under the license made by Mr. Richard Stallman.
• 400[05:55:44] <lovetolearn> Thanks! :)
• 401[05:56:13] <Astro> Any How, I'm am on a quest for knowledge and Have an Itch for Understanding. God Speed!
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• 403[05:56:27] <lovetolearn> Amen.
• 404[06:01:42] <blackmajic> Anyone familer with pDNS?
• 405[06:01:50] <blackmajic> Unable to AXFR zone 'justla.me' from remote '199.199.199.199' (resolver): AXFR chunk error: Server Not Authoritative for zone / Not Authorized, ---- What would cause this error?
• 406[06:02:15] <blackmajic> I followed this guide: replaced-url
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• 411[06:05:37] <mi11k1> how silly is this? im running Proxmox with LVM as my storage. the storage is on an i5 with 12gig ram running nas4free. i have it config as raidz1 with 4 3TB drives.
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• 413[06:06:03] <mi11k1> i couldnt get zfs over iscsi to work
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• 429[06:29:25] <mi11k1_> windows isnt so bad since ssd's are in abundance now.
• 430[06:29:47] <mi11k1_> shiny
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• 445[06:49:11] <ZeroBeholder> Astro: So, good news. rtkit in htop is not "root kit". It is realtime policy and watch daemon. replaced-url
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• 447[06:49:51] <ZeroBeholder> Astro: Why there are three, I cannot help you.
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• 453[06:53:21] <ZeroBeholder> mi11k1_: That is an interesting problem. I usually set up the drives for ZFS on the host system as such-- at that point they they are presented to the OS as a more or less regular filesystem and then the regular goodies like NFS and such work in the expected ways.
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• 463[06:57:01] <mi11k1_> ZeroBeholder, its a Dell Poweredge server and I have no drive caddies. So, I tried a couple different things and I have the zfs volume exposed via iscsi
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• 465[06:57:31] <mi11k1_> ZeroBeholder, thinpool
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• 467[06:58:36] <mi11k1_> ZeroBeholder, it actually works pretty well, but it just feels unethical or something.
• 468[06:59:14] <mi11k1_> ill roll with it for a bit and see what happens
• 469[06:59:54] <ZeroBeholder> mi11k1_: Ugh, I remember losing some caddies at work. Well, I had help. I put them in a box on the shelf and then I never saw the box again. I hope you find some caddies and if iscsi works, I'm not going to knock it.
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• 473[07:00:51] <mi11k1_> ZeroBeholder, I have 30 blank caddies,lol. This server doesnt have a sas controller either.
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• 479[07:05:47] <mi11k1_> so far its been pretty forgiving, reboot storage or server and they link up no prob. I like Proxmox, Debian is the only linux distro ive ever used, so its pretty familiar. I just install debian and add the proxmox sources. has better uptime than my alarmclock
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• 489[07:12:03] <mi11k1_> nebody know some good nmap commands?
• 490[07:12:46] <mi11k1_> whats the mother of all nmaps?
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• 513[07:36:37] <PerfecT37428> jpan is dog
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• 524[08:03:19] <Casper26> I installed Debian 10 and created a couple of samba shares but am unable to mount them from any file manager smbclient sees the shares though anyone help?
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• 538[08:27:05] <rog1070> bonjour, y a t-il des francophones ?
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• 545[08:31:05] <diogenes_> !fr | rog1070
• 546[08:31:16] <diogenes_> !fr
• 547[08:31:16] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr or #debian-quebec.
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• 549[08:31:46] <rog1070> ok merci ;)
• 550[08:32:03] <rog1070> !fr
• 551[08:32:03] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr or #debian-quebec.
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• 557[08:34:40] <greenbagels> Hm, anyone have an idea why /lib/modules still has files from old kernels even after `apt purge`ing them?
• 558[08:36:06] <greenbagels> it seems they're mostly empty, maybe the uninstall process tried to rmdir a nonempty dir
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• 567[08:48:36] <CrazyTux> what is the difference between sysvinit and systemd? what advantage one has over the other?
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• 578[09:07:00] <nyov> CrazyTux: that's not a question that can be answered in a sentence. You should read up about both, or listen to some talks by their proponents
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• 580[09:07:59] <nyov> the main thing that sysvinit doesn't do that other init systems do, is service supervision (if you consider that part of what the init system should do)
• 581[09:08:43] <nyov> but then systemd in particular does a ton of other things on top
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• 583[09:09:21] <CrazyTux> ok
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• 587[09:10:40] <nyov> whether that's an advantage over other systems depends on your taste, if you like the all-inclusiveness of that approach, you'll like it. if you prefer to meddle in the ways your init system works, you might not
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• 589[09:12:52] <CrazyTux> ok
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• 595[09:18:51] <eb0t> hey having a problem i want to install setup-selenium-with-chromedriver-on-debian/ and the following webpage says i need libcgconf-2-4 and it isnt in busters repo
• 596[09:18:55] <eb0t> replaced-url
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• 600[09:20:43] <diogenes_> ,i libcgconf
• 601[09:20:44] <judd> No package named 'libcgconf' was found in buster/amd64.
• 602[09:20:59] <diogenes_> ,v libcgconf
• 603[09:21:00] <judd> No package named 'libcgconf' was found in amd64.
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• 605[09:22:34] <eb0t> yes its libgconf sorry
• 606[09:23:42] <diogenes_> ,v libgconf
• 607[09:23:43] <judd> No package named 'libgconf' was found in amd64.
• 608[09:24:16] <eb0t> thanks...i suppose its not possible to do the selenium with chromedriver on debian 10
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• 615[09:33:00] <eb0t> going back to debian 9
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• 620[09:34:04] <eb0t> or gonna have a look at opensuse or arch...need to get this done ..more than i need to breathe
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• 627[09:37:37] <raspi> where i could find examples of releasing binary app .deb that targets multiple archs? do you generate .deb for each arch?
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• 662[10:15:00] <nkuttler> raspi: yeah, that's how it is usually done
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• 676[10:29:45] <eb0t> libgconf This package is for legacy applications and no longer used by GNOME...so how do i get legacy code in buster
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• 685[10:35:07] <nyov> eb0t: find a way to replace it? what do you need it for?
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• 689[10:37:13] <eb0t> nyov i am trying to do this replaced-url
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• 691[10:38:38] <eb0t> i believe python uses webdriver in selenium to interact with webpages ...and webdriver uses chromedriver...and one of them needs libgconf
• 692[10:39:28] <nyov> why don't you install it then :p The post pretty much tells you what to do?
• 693[10:39:34] <nyov> ,v libgconf-2-4
• 694[10:39:35] <judd> Package: libgconf-2-4 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.2.6-3; stretch: 3.2.6-4+b1; buster: 3.2.6-5; bullseye: 3.2.6-6; sid: 3.2.6-6
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• 699[10:42:20] <eb0t> its not in buster repo
• 700[10:42:23] <eb0t> nyov
• 701[10:42:32] <eb0t> ,v libgconf
• 702[10:42:34] <judd> No package named 'libgconf' was found in amd64.
• 703[10:42:50] <eb0t> ,v libgconf-2-4
• 704[10:42:50] <nyov> looks like there is a similar post here replaced-url
• 705[10:42:51] <judd> Package: libgconf-2-4 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.2.6-3; stretch: 3.2.6-4+b1; buster: 3.2.6-5; bullseye: 3.2.6-6; sid: 3.2.6-6
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• 708[10:43:19] <nyov> the page clearly states "apt-get install -y curl unzip xvfb libxi6 libgconf-2-4
• 709[10:43:26] <nyov> not libgconf
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• 712[10:43:40] <nyov> though I wouldn't run it with the '-y' flag
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• 715[10:45:58] <eb0t> hmm sorry im a bit new to debian and i have an alias aptc = apt-cache and i ran aptc search libgconf-2-4 and nothing was found
• 716[10:46:03] <eb0t> sorry thanks nyov
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• 719[10:46:22] <eb0t> my alias aptc = apt-cache search
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• 721[10:46:43] <eb0t> so i was effectively doing apt-cache search search libgconf
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• 724[10:47:05] <eb0t> and it was not finding it ...my mistake thanks ..i can get it working now
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• 766[11:25:27] <ScreamerX> hi
• 767[11:26:14] <ScreamerX> unattended upgrades installs security updates like kernel updates
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• 769[11:26:52] <ScreamerX> when i close the laptop lid, my system hibernates
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• 772[11:28:02] <ScreamerX> it is unlikely that an upgraded kernel will resume properly from hibernate
• 773[11:28:11] <ScreamerX> what does debian do in such a case?
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• 775[11:29:29] <diogenes_> ScreamerX, what's the actual issue?
• 776[11:29:36] <nyov> eb0t: no problem, glad it works
• 777[11:30:40] <ScreamerX> i'm just wondering if its save to hibernate when the kernel was upgraded in background.
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• 780[11:32:20] <diogenes_> ScreamerX, it's generaly recommended to reboot after kernel update.
• 781[11:32:30] <synacktic> /j #stratum0
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• 783[11:32:35] <nyov> interesting question. possibly you should exclude kernel-updates from unattended upgrades?
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• 788[11:34:13] <oiaohm> ScreamerX: if you hybernate you remain on the exact same kernel. Unattended updates does leave old version of kernels prior installed alone.
• 789[11:34:21] <oiaohm> Something you have to remember to clean up.
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• 791[11:35:35] <ScreamerX> oiaohm, thanks for the answer
• 792[11:35:36] <rudi_s> oiaohm: That's not correct, it will always boot the latest kernel.
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• 794[11:36:05] <rudi_s> ScreamerX: Debian touches the file /run/do-no-hibernate which prevents hibernation
• 795[11:36:54] <rudi_s> But I guess that when you close the laptop lid it only suspends (to RAM) which is not an issue. Hibernation in the Linux/Debian context means writing the memory to disk and powering of the system. On boot the old state is loaded and the memory restored.
• 796[11:37:24] <oiaohm> rudi_s: Please note I said if you hybernate. If that flag has been set the system would have refused to hybernate.
• 797[11:38:06] <rudi_s> oiaohm: No, you said "you remain on the exact same kernel" which is not true because on boot the boot loader will choose the latest kernel.
• 798[11:38:07] <ScreamerX> rudi_s, i changed the default configuration. now, my system hibernates when i close the lid.
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• 800[11:38:32] <rudi_s> ScreamerX: Ah, in that case. The file will prevent a hibernation on kernel updates so you don't have to worry.
• 801[11:39:40] <oiaohm> rudi_s: hmm that could be a battery eating bug.
• 802[11:39:52] <rudi_s> oiaohm: What?
• 803[11:40:28] <oiaohm> Reason why you would set close lid on laptop to trigger hibernate would be to prevent battery usage when closed.
• 804[11:40:44] <oiaohm> and if flag prevents hybernate hmmm
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• 806[11:41:26] <rudi_s> Yes, but hibernating with a newer kernel will crash the system on reboot. I guess it could suspend instead, but still not optimal.
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• 809[11:44:24] <oiaohm> rudi_s: question does it crash or does it detect that the hybernation is for the wrong kernel version. So you could choose the correct one and get your data back.
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• 811[11:45:53] <oiaohm> This is most likely a area that could be made more friendly.
• 812[11:46:01] <rudi_s> oiaohm: I assume it will just crash, but I haven't tested that.
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• 814[11:46:41] <oiaohm> I would hope the kernel would do some checks to make sure that is the correct kernel to load the hybernation image of.
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• 816[11:46:50] <oiaohm> But I don't know.
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• 880[12:53:52] <nyov> does anyone know how to run the debian installer from an usb stick without bulldozing the stick filesystem?
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• 882[12:54:17] <nyov> I recall there was a way to copy it on the existing FAT filesystem and run it from that, somehow
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• 884[12:54:54] <b1ack0p> hi
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• 887[12:55:56] <diogenes_> nyov, install calamares.
• 888[12:56:23] <diogenes_> if it's a live system.
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• 893[12:59:20] <nyov> hm, no. I'd prefer the old way :p I think it was this technique: replaced-url
• 894[13:00:00] <nyov> but that doesn't seem to work, as I get kernel panic on boot. Hm, maybe I just need to try harder
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• 903[13:11:37] <nyov> AH it works. I put the initrd line wrongly in the syslinux.cfg
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• 995[14:28:59] <Antioch> Are there any cli utils like vcp from freebsd in debian? It's basically cp with a status bar.
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• 999[14:32:51] <abrotman> rsync and dd cans how progress
• 1000[14:32:56] <abrotman> or you can use pv perhaps
• 1001[14:33:06] <abrotman> dpkg: pv
• 1002[14:33:07] <dpkg> pv is the pipe viewer, a handy utility to measure data passing through the pipe between processes. It shows how much data has passed, how long it has taken and the speed, as well as estimated completion if that data is available ("pv file" or "-s" is used). Example: "dd if=/dev/sda bs=1M | pv -s 250G | df of=/dev/sdb bs=1M"
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• 1017[14:39:51] <Antioch> Merci
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• 1022[14:42:10] <pradziad> Hello, can someone advise how to make .xmodmaprc auto execute after login to xfce? I have in .xsessionrc included command xmodmap ~/.xmodmaprc but it doesn't work
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• 1031[14:47:07] <nkuttler> pradziad: is anything else executed from ~/.xsessionrc ? never heard of that file, man 5 Xsession also doesn't say anything about it
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• 1038[14:51:39] <nyov> they probably meant .xinitrc
• 1039[14:52:01] <nyov> or .Xsession?
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• 1041[14:53:01] <nkuttler> pradziad: please keep it in the channel
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• 1045[14:54:15] <pradziad> Hello, nope. It's only that. I had found this as description to auto execute xmodmap command for my keyboard to use multimedia keys under this link: replaced-url
• 1046[14:54:17] <pradziad> however it never worked out, and each time after start I'm doing it manually as typing xmodmap ~/.xmodmaprc
• 1047[14:54:19] <pradziad> and I just wanted to somehow automate it
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• 1051[14:56:09] <spacebug^> I'm not running XFCE but according to this replaced-url
• 1052[14:56:30] <nyov> pradziad: why don't you use the accepted answer and put it in ~/.Xmodmap ?
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• 1066[15:04:37] <pradziad> nyov: I do not have ~/.xsession neither ~.Xmodmap files. Sometimes I'm also use Gnome and wanted to have it universal for both
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• 1074[15:11:10] <jim> pradziad, do you have the command startx?
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• 1080[15:13:35] <magic_ninja_resc> so, I'm on a boot disk.
• 1081[15:14:02] <magic_ninja_resc> Doing some partition work. I have a lvm volume group with about 6 gigs unallocated after it. I'm looking to move it
• 1082[15:14:25] <magic_ninja_resc> I'm basically putting a bit of free space between some of my partitions. I managed to get the space out of the vgs.
• 1083[15:15:39] <magic_ninja_resc> replaced-url
• 1084[15:16:27] <pradziad> jim: yes
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• 1088[15:18:00] <pradziad> nyov: I just created .Xmodmap in my default ~/ and include there xmodmap ~/.xmodmaprc I try to log out and log it to check will it work, I just hope that I don't mess up too much
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• 1103[15:23:30] <jim> pradziad, depending on which dist you run, startx might check to see if you have a ~/.xsession file, and if you do, it will read that file, and execute it like a shell script... if that script exits, your X session is over, and startx ends
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• 1112[15:27:05] <magic_ninja_resc> figured it out. For some reason KDE partition manager wasn't able to do it, but gparted was.
• 1113[15:27:18] <magic_ninja_resc> I suppose I should learn to use the CLI tools.
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• 1115[15:28:53] <magic_ninja_resc> unfortunately this is going to take an hour, though.
• 1116[15:28:57] <pradziad> jim: I'm running the debian bullseye and I'm sure that there's no ~/.xsession file. However the nyov: advise worked out
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• 1119[15:29:35] <jim> yeah, you'd have to create that file if you were goign to... does startx do what you need?
• 1120[15:30:05] <pradziad> nyov: Thank you for directions, it worked up like a charm
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• 1125[15:31:45] <pradziad> jim: no, I copied the keycode commands from .xmodmaprc file directly to .Xmodmap and after logout/login it worked out for me
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• 1128[15:32:47] <pradziad> Once again, Thank you folks! Now my MS Natural Multimedia keyboard is running as I wanted
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• 1132[15:36:47] <magic_ninja_resc> Good job. Sometimes it can be a bit of a pain.
• 1133[15:36:55] <magic_ninja_resc> I have a couple tricky mouse buttons I had to do that with.
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• 1135[15:37:31] <magic_ninja_resc> damnit, it really is going to take an hour to move this 900GB vgs
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• 1210[16:31:47] <Elon_Satoshi> I'm trying to get xmrig's OpenCL mode to work on Debian 10 on a presario cq57. lspci says VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Wrestler [Radeon HD 6310] but clinfo says there's 0 platforms. Unless I install fglrx-core, which fails to build the kernel module.
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• 1214[16:33:15] <ta0gh1> Thank y'all for Debian GNU/Linux.
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• 1219[16:36:08] <Elon_Satoshi> The same from me. Can someone help me so I can start mining wownero with my toaster that has a video card?
• 1220[16:36:21] <dvs> ta0gh1, you're welcome. I made it myself! ;-P
• 1221[16:36:50] <Elon_Satoshi> Should I try this patch? replaced-url
• 1222[16:37:14] <ksk> Elon_Satoshi: no Idea about AMD, but for nvidia you have to have nvidia-cuda foo installed. then you need to compile the cuda module from source, and tell xmrig about it.
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• 1224[16:37:35] <ksk> I suppose, it could be similiar for AMD maybe.
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• 1228[16:38:24] <ksk> Did not install "drivers from nvidia" so to say, but via the debian ways (nvidia-detect...)
• 1229[16:38:58] <Elon_Satoshi> How do you tell xmrig about the cuda module?
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• 1232[16:42:17] <ksk> like so: "--cuda --cuda-loader=/home/ksk/xmrig/build/libxmrig-cuda.so" -- not that its on-topic in here in any way :P
• 1233[16:42:21] <Elon_Satoshi> Oh, with these command line options, I guess.
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• 1235[16:42:47] <Elon_Satoshi> I think getting xmrig to work on debian is pretty on-topic.
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• 1238[16:43:56] <Elon_Satoshi> Ah well. I guess I'll stick to CPU mining wownero on my other laptop. It has a decent CPU but the intel graphics slows down seconds after booting
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• 1241[16:46:09] <BenLue> I use Terminus on Windows. I don't see the icons, even though the font is installed on Windows and VM (Debian Buster): replaced-url
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• 1318[17:38:41] <tytan> hello everyone
• 1319[17:39:31] <tytan> today I tried to format a drive for a friend who is using Windows 10 in arch linux. after that failed I gave debian a try with the same result. he can not assign a drive letter. here is what I did:
• 1320[17:39:51] <tytan> fdisk /dev/sdb g n Enter Enter Enter Enter w
• 1321[17:40:09] <tytan> mkfs -t ntfs -f -L "External HDD" /dev/sdb1
• 1322[17:40:36] <tytan> I also tried setting a partition type in fdisk with t but without success
• 1323[17:40:41] <tytan> what am I doing wrong?
• 1324[17:41:06] <jhutchins> tytan: Trying to appease Windows.
• 1325[17:41:49] <joepublic> I am really sorry your friend can't "assign a drive letter" in "windows".
• 1326[17:41:50] <tytan> I don't mind other people using Windows
• 1327[17:41:52] <jhutchins> tytan: The problem is that ntfs is not necessarily ntfs. Microsoft has made changes in it from time to time, and it's not always compatible.
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• 1329[17:42:21] <tytan> oh damn
• 1330[17:42:28] <jhutchins> I would try a google search for something like "format a drive for windows 10 in linux".
• 1331[17:43:25] <kxsl> could something be wrong with the drive? i've formatted ntfs drives on linux for usb and they've always worked
• 1332[17:43:35] <tytan> all I get are tutorials for GParted but I would really like to be able to do it in the CLI
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• 1334[17:44:04] <kxsl> it's my preferred fs for those drives. supported by nearly everything. everything else is too glitchy or unsupported
• 1335[17:44:13] <joepublic> I don't see why that mkfs wouldn't work tbh
• 1336[17:44:15] <jhutchins> tytan: I'm under the impression that you can run individual steps on the CLI with parted.
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• 1339[17:44:49] <jhutchins> I think it was Win7 where we had to start using the Windows Disk Manger to shrink the partitions because the ntfs specs had changed.
• 1340[17:44:52] <tytan> oh ok, I will take a look at the parted man page
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• 1342[17:45:19] <tytan> why is windows always such a pain ...
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• 1344[17:45:47] <jhutchins> That was also the reason for the dire warnings about using NTFS partitions in Linux - they tweaked the specs, and the only way you knew you had an intolerant variant was that your data was gone.
• 1345[17:46:16] <jhutchins> s/using/writing to.
• 1346[17:46:58] <tytan> sounds fun
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• 1354[17:50:44] <ksk> also, windows ntfs implementation (or userspace, not sure) has a limit on "max length of path+filename" which you can circumvent when using the disk on linux. you can still access these files, but not delete/move/copy them ;)
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• 1357[17:52:48] <tytan> crazy
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• 1360[17:53:23] <tytan> I tend to use Ext4 or OpenZFS and I never had any problems with those
• 1361[17:53:55] <dvs> !start an fs war
• 1362[17:53:55] <dpkg> Who needs a file system? Use orthogonal persistency!
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• 1367[17:54:47] <tytan> fs war?
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• 1372[17:56:37] <openface> quassel
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• 1381[17:59:07] <tytan> nah I did not come start a file system war. I just try to get better at using GNU/Linux
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• 1386[18:00:16] <ta0gh1> Windows makes harder to appease him so we must to give up it
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• 1389[18:03:18] <tytan> ta0gh1: I don't think I understand
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• 1394[18:05:07] <ta0gh1> I tried to work with Windows but he fucked up times and times
• 1395[18:05:22] <ta0gh1> so I give up to support him with our SOs
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• 1397[18:05:33] <ta0gh1> so I gave up to support him with our SOs**
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• 1399[18:06:31] <ta0gh1> lol
• 1400[18:06:33] <tytan> I have given up on Windows many years ago as well. Makes little sense to waste time on that
• 1401[18:06:40] <ta0gh1> so I gave up to support him with our operation systems..
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• 1404[18:07:08] <ta0gh1> yeah, unfortunetaly people still is in jail for it
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• 1409[18:07:42] <ta0gh1> but Debian is a great OS, I like it very much
• 1410[18:07:59] <ta0gh1> would be awesome if it overcome windows someday
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• 1412[18:08:55] <tytan> Debian already has overcome Windows in the server space
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• 1416[18:10:12] <ta0gh1> long live to Debian GNU+kernels
• 1417[18:10:41] <EdePopede> there are still a lot of games and your company using the same office and mail infrastructure they used to 2 decades ago.
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• 1431[18:14:57] <tytan> thanks for all your help, everyone
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• 1437[18:17:18] <mehlon> yo debs
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• 1439[18:17:33] <dvs> nes
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• 1441[18:18:32] <ta0gh1> EdePopede: LibreOffice has overcome Ms Office
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• 1443[18:19:00] <mehlon> that sounds great
• 1444[18:19:04] <EdePopede> ta0gh1: welcome to Limux
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• 1448[18:19:42] <ta0gh1> EdePopede: i am 13 GNU/Linux years old
• 1449[18:20:22] <EdePopede> i wouldn't expect a lot of tax based offices even having an at least halfway up-to-date software stack.
• 1450[18:21:02] <EdePopede> XP did it for 15 years, so why replacing it... only costs money and risks breaking everything.
• 1451[18:21:36] <ta0gh1> I switch XP for Linux Mint Mate-desktop
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• 1455[18:22:27] <ta0gh1> bbl
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• 1465[18:26:15] <annadane> i would like to interject for a moment. what you call gnu/linux is, in fact, gnu/systemd/linux
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• 1496[18:38:38] <Richard_Megot> salut
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• 1498[18:38:48] <ksk> annadane: <3
• 1499[18:38:52] <Richard_Megot> On cherche les français sur ce réseau :)
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• 1501[18:38:56] <ksk> !fr
• 1502[18:38:56] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr or #debian-quebec.
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• 1511[18:49:07] <petn-randall> annadane: You wouldn't list dbus, or X11, or gnome/kde/xfce in there, either, would you?
• 1512[18:49:50] <ksk> none of them are installed in my containers :P
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• 1522[18:56:05] <f-a> does Firefox come with AdBlock installed? (asking for my mum)
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• 1524[18:56:20] <ksk> no.
• 1525[18:56:29] <f-a> thanks
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• 1528[18:58:26] <Terrell> test
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• 1530[18:58:51] <Terrell> petn-randall, are you here?
• 1531[18:59:03] <petn-randall> Terrell: yes
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• 1535[18:59:56] <petn-randall> !install guide
• 1536[18:59:56] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at replaced-url
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• 1538[19:00:02] <petn-randall> Terrell: You probably want to start here. ^^^
• 1539[19:00:37] <Terrell> hey! great. I have the day open... don't have a suitable sd here. Probably have a suitable thumb. I do have a terabyte HDD not used and can back everything onto it. Lets see... 2 laptops at 160 GB and 2 towers at 250 I think.
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• 1541[19:01:45] <Terrell> petn-randall, I have done this before. I want triple boot on the towers.
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• 1544[19:02:40] <petn-randall> Terrell: That's great! So read the install guide, and if you get stuck somewhere you can ask in here.
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• 1608[19:38:37] <subcool> ok, quick minor help.
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• 1610[19:39:23] <subcool> IDK how this happened, overnighte- without me touching it. BUT- somehow... my Iptables got turned around. It turned my Chain input policy to drop, and my chain output folicy to drop
• 1611[19:39:28] <subcool> how do i fix it?
• 1612[19:40:03] <petn-randall> subcool: The same way you set it up in the first place.
• 1613[19:40:20] <subcool> petn-randall: i didnt set it up the first time
• 1614[19:40:22] <petn-randall> subcool: There is no firewall configured in Debian by default, so you must have installed and configured something to do so.
• 1615[19:40:30] <joepublic> someone or something did
• 1616[19:40:34] <subcool> nordvpn
• 1617[19:40:38] <petn-randall> subcool: What distro are you running?
• 1618[19:40:46] <subcool> debian strech
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• 1620[19:41:04] <petn-randall> subcool: I guess the install script for nordvpn then did. You might want to contact them for support.
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• 1622[19:41:29] <subcool> i was using it fine last night and the night before, and then today all communication stopped. i check the tables.. and i saw everything in drop
• 1623[19:41:37] <subcool> nordvpn is useless when it comes to support
• 1624[19:41:46] <subcool> and it would take over a day of chat to address it.
• 1625[19:41:51] <joepublic> .. then you probably don't get support
• 1626[19:42:06] <subcool> There isnt a command that i can do to reverse the current setup/
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• 1628[19:42:15] <subcool> joepublic: theres support- they just suck.
• 1629[19:42:39] <subcool> i spent 2 hours, twice, arguing with them to asking what port they use for SSL Proxy -
• 1630[19:42:41] <subcool> 2 HOURS
• 1631[19:43:01] <subcool> and they still refused to tell me.
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• 1634[19:43:16] <subcool> "goto the help" - "check out the support documenation" -
• 1635[19:43:37] <subcool> Their own help desk, was telling me to go read the help forums. WHich LIterally - dont mention it anywhere.
• 1636[19:43:38] <joepublic> they wanted you to read; what jerks
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• 1639[19:44:20] <subcool> it came to it- they dont hand out ports for those things. The only way to use the ssl proxy is with their addon ext.
• 1640[19:44:33] <subcool> but thats something else.
• 1641[19:44:36] <petn-randall> subcool: I'm guessing they set it up for a reason, to avoid connections and DNS lookups going outside of the VPN tunnel. Of course you can "fix" it, but you might end up not using the tunnel at all.
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• 1645[19:45:08] <subcool> petn-randall: right- they have wacky reasons. but w.e.
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• 1647[19:45:35] <subcool> either way- i ad to argue with them 2 for hours, because they had NO problem telling me to go read a location that they KNOW is not there.
• 1648[19:45:55] <subcool> because just like for cyber sec and another protocol - they simply dont offer it.
• 1649[19:46:09] <subcool> But- mypoint is - sending me off to nord for soething you can answer - is silly
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• 1652[19:46:54] <subcool> Is there a way to reverse the iptables - i dont use iptables. I got introcued to them, because of nordvpn screwing with my stuff
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• 1654[19:47:21] <petn-randall> subcool: `man iptables`, search for policy.
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• 1661[19:49:41] <subcool> petn-randall: isnt that the command do redo them all one by one - manually?
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• 1664[19:50:23] <joepublic> sounds kind of plonky to me "Can't you just tell me the exact thing to type for my unique situation so I can just get on with my life"
• 1665[19:50:32] <petn-randall> subcool: Sure, look for "--flush" in the same man page.
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• 1668[19:51:00] <subcool> joepublic: yeah---
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• 1670[19:51:15] <subcool> my resovle is to remove it and start fresh.
• 1671[19:51:20] <subcool> because i dont use iptables
• 1672[19:51:42] <subcool> but- if your resolve to help someone.. is tell them to go read the manual. i cant wait for that karma to smack you
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• 1676[19:52:01] <petn-randall> subcool: Go troll somewhere else.
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• 1679[19:52:59] <petn-randall> You're not magically entitled for others to read the man page for you so you can save one minute of your life. For a product that isn't even shipped in Debian, just because they have shitty support.
• 1680[19:53:48] <petn-randall> If you can't even get your arse off the ground to read the section of the man page we've *pointed* you to, this channel isn't for you.
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• 1843[21:36:35] <dumbuser-111> Is there any standard ways of getting a list of build dependencies for a given piece of software? I'm talking about a well-maintained, relatively user-friendly package that uses automake, autoconf, etc.
• 1844[21:37:17] <dumbuser-111> Basically a stand in for running ./configure over and over until I stop getting "You need to install ALSA" etc.
• 1845[21:37:50] <bouba> hi, my english is so bad.... but i have an hp elite ssf 8000 and the microphone doesn't work. what kind ok microphone must i buy for fine work? ty in advance.
• 1846[21:38:02] <kale> dumbuser-111: apt-get build-dep beep
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• 1851[21:39:16] <diogenes_> dumbuser-111, or look in readme or in linuxfromscratch page.
• 1852[21:39:26] <bouba> any suggestion ?....
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• 1854[21:40:07] <dumbuser-111> ok, thanks, that is what I tried, but I got an error saying I needed to add source repositories. Wondered if there was another way. I'll just add the repositories next time.
• 1855[21:40:17] <diogenes_> bouba, has it ever worked before?
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• 1858[21:41:15] <bouba> no is the first time i try with simple microphone and micro+headphone.
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• 1863[21:41:52] <kale> bouba: usually the mic is muted and ahs to be unmuted. i believe you can do that in alsa mixer
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• 1865[21:42:31] <bouba> i think about connectors , in alsmixer the micro is on.
• 1866[21:42:33] <diogenes_> bouba, also check in pavucontrol.
• 1867[21:42:41] <bouba> ok
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• 1869[21:43:48] <rgr> Debian stable, GDM3 : I'm having zero success adding my own login session option. According to docs I googled it should be as simple as creating a new .desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions but no joy. Can someone please put me right.
• 1870[21:44:09] <bouba> i m uploadind the app.
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• 1872[21:44:19] <bouba> -d +g
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• 1874[21:45:10] <kale> rgr: what is it you want done, when logging in?
• 1875[21:45:30] <diogenes_> rgr, does your session start from VT?
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• 1877[21:45:56] <bouba> pavucontrol seems to activate connection with pulseaudio and i don't have pulseaudio installed.
• 1878[21:46:11] <rgr> I want to add a new login option - in this case I dont want to run gnome I want to run emacs EXWM in much the same way I used to use xmonad.
• 1879[21:46:23] <rgr> VT?
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• 1883[21:48:26] <diogenes_> bouba, ha? what Debian is that it doesn't have pulseaudio?
• 1884[21:48:37] <kale> rgr: so you want to load nother window manager?
• 1885[21:48:54] <kale> s/nother/another/
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• 1887[21:49:29] <bouba> diogenes_, i use only soft programmes.
• 1888[21:49:57] <rgr> I want to add a new session option to the existing ones. As I said, like I used to have to enable xmonad on on older version of debian/gdm. In other words the option to select a non preconfiured window manager.
• 1889[21:50:16] <bouba> pulseaudio is heavy , may be i make mistake grammar here?
• 1890[21:51:14] <diogenes_> bouba, and that might be the reason your mic doesn't work.
• 1891[21:51:18] <rgr> eg whats discussed here. It should be straightforwad. It isnt. replaced-url
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• 1893[21:52:10] <rgr> pulseaudio isn't heavy and really is necessary on a modern debian desktop.
• 1894[21:52:43] <bouba> diogenes_, alsamixer is not enough ?
• 1895[21:53:23] <diogenes_> bouba, read what rgr said.
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• 1897[21:53:43] <rgr> gotta reboot back soon
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• 1902[21:54:33] <bouba> yes but i started my instalation with netinstall.
• 1903[21:55:38] <bouba> and pulseaudio , systemd, wayland are topics of troll.
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• 1905[21:56:14] <diogenes_> bouba, i guess a better way to test if your mic works is to grab a live iso and try it out in live session.
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• 1908[21:57:35] <bouba> diogenes_, ty 4 info. but before in stretch the mic work well ,
• 1909[21:57:47] <rgr> so, anyone familiar with adding new window managers to gdm3. This is really frustrating,
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• 1911[21:58:13] <bouba> rgr i use jwm.
• 1912[21:58:25] <rgr> right, well thats of no interest or relevant to gdm3.
• 1913[21:59:15] <rgr> be sure to treble check you have unmuted your mic using alsamixer.
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• 1919[22:01:03] <bouba> my mic is no unmutte i thing about alignment connectors
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• 1921[22:02:13] <bouba> in the front the gif indicate "mic + headphone"
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• 1927[22:06:09] <bouba> i think may be the probleme is in asound.state.
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• 1939[22:11:54] <spacebug^> error: internal error: unable to execute QEMU command 'block-commit': Could not reopen file: Permission denied
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• 1941[22:12:09] <spacebug^> :( looks like it's a known bug though replaced-url
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• 1943[22:14:13] <ealfonso> beep doesn't work for me anymore in debian 10, not even as root. according to replaced-url
• 1944[22:14:14] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1948[22:17:47] <ealfonso> somehow I have to know all about udev rules, acls, I have to create my own "beep" group, add users to it, fix some more permissions, etc. all because a maintainer couldn't be bothered to make it simpler for users
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• 1970[22:33:08] <joepublic> yeah. beep sucks.
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• 1972[22:33:32] <joepublic> I made a beep.sh and sudo that.
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• 1976[22:34:11] <jhutchins> ealfonso: Which packages do you contribute volunteer time to?
• 1977[22:34:53] <joepublic> The first line of the .sh file is: unset SUDO_GID SUDO_COMMAND SUDO_USER SUDO_UID
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• 1980[22:36:47] <joepublic> followed by: beep "$@"
• 1981[22:36:56] <ealfonso> joepublic could you share it?
• 1982[22:37:03] <joepublic> I basically just did
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• 1984[22:37:23] <ealfonso> jhutchins so now in order to report bugs or usability issues I need to "pay" in volunteer time?
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• 1989[22:37:54] <joepublic> no! in order to bitch how a maintainer couldn't be bothered to consider your convenience, you must first walk in his shoes. simple enough.
• 1990[22:39:54] <joepublic> reporting bugs or usability issues does not contain the phrase "all because a maintainer couldn't be bothered"
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• 1996[22:44:37] <spacebug^> bah. How can I make gdm3 reload my group belongings? I added myself to sudo group but it does not show up or work in the current session. I have tried to logout and login without success. I even tried restarting gdm3.
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• 1999[22:45:33] <joepublic> I usually just add myself to sudoers with visudo, rather than relying on the group
• 2000[22:45:45] <joepublic> Never Do This(tm) I hear, but it works
• 2001[22:46:22] <dvs> What's wrong with that?
• 2002[22:46:35] <joepublic> got me. it's all I ever do.
• 2003[22:47:00] <spacebug^> I guess thats one way of doing it. At least for the sudo group. But other groups can't be done that way
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• 2006[22:49:18] <joepublic> if you cat /etc/group |grep yourusername does it confirm that you are indeed members of the intended group(s)? just curious
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• 2014[22:52:49] <ealfonso> the maintainer's attitude in that bug report seems kind of arrogant and indifferent to the pain of users trying to use the package
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• 2017[22:53:31] <spacebug^> joepublic: yes
• 2018[22:53:33] <ealfonso> just like this maintainer, who apparently doesn't think Debian's reasons for removing ekiga are legimate: replaced-url
• 2019[22:54:26] <jim> spacebug^, well visudo is not adding someone to a group, and those are two separate ways (using visudo, adding to sudo group) of allowing someone to sudo
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• 2024[22:55:56] <spacebug^> jim: well yeah. It will work this time when it was about sudo. It will not work other times for other groups. I can't seem to find another way than to reboot. Really does not seem right
• 2025[22:55:56] <mtcdood> I have a web application that says to install FastCGI, but when I do that apt-get says there's no installation candidate.
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• 2029[22:57:11] <mtcdood> the full error is here: replaced-url
• 2030[22:57:59] <mtcdood> I'm seeing varying explanations for why this is, from not having the non-free repository enabled (I do) to FastCGI not being necessary anymore because you can use something else
• 2031[22:58:08] <mtcdood> can someone help me diagnose this?
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• 2033[22:58:33] <joepublic> mtcdood, maybe you want libapache2-mod-fcgid?
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• 2035[22:59:06] <mtcdood> I did try installing and a2enmodding that, but httpd still won't accept the site configuration where the module is being configured, for example
• 2036[22:59:14] <mtcdood> "Invalid command 'FastCgiServer', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration"
• 2037[22:59:46] <joepublic> ,v libapache2-mod-fastcgi
• 2038[22:59:47] <judd> Package: libapache2-mod-fastcgi on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 2.4.7~0910052141-1.1+deb8u1
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• 2040[23:00:25] <joepublic> so, it's in oldoldstable but not oldstable nor stable.
• 2041[23:00:29] <mtcdood> gotcha
• 2042[23:00:47] <mtcdood> so it's not super old, just old enough that isn't around now.
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• 2044[23:01:10] <mtcdood> I'm not seeing in my Google searches how to transition from FastCGI to fcgid
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• 2047[23:02:00] <joepublic> I would say oldoldstable is super old, except I know that I have at least one server still on jessie
• 2048[23:02:01] <mtcdood> it looks like to call an external perl script, for this example, I'd have to set up proxying and stuff? maybe someone with more experience can say "Yeah that's what you need to look into" but at this time I don't want to jump the gun and end up down the rabbit hole
• 2049[23:02:17] <mtcdood> well yeah in Debian land oldoldstable is pretty old I guess haha
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• 2059[23:08:28] <mtcdood> replaced-url
• 2060[23:08:46] <mtcdood> I would imagine there's some other directive to use but I have no idea how to find it
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• 2063[23:09:07] <joepublic> I haven't used CGI since something like 1995, sorry
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• 2068[23:09:20] <joepublic> *ok, maybe 2005
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• 2077[23:10:51] <adam_> üdv
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• 2082[23:11:47] <mtcdood> I tried installing fastcgi_proxy which someone said, in 2013, was necessary
• 2083[23:11:47] <EdePopede> cgi? that borland graphics thing?
• 2084[23:12:01] <mtcdood> nah, web server stuff
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• 2087[23:12:29] <EdePopede> heh. "1995" opened a really old door.
• 2088[23:12:31] <mtcdood> trying to figure out how to get this app to work that uses FastCGI, except I can't use FastCGI because that's not around anymore
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• 2091[23:13:23] <ksk> mtcdood: in short, you dont ;)
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• 2093[23:13:31] <mtcdood> so
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• 2095[23:13:33] <mtcdood> I just don't use the app
• 2096[23:13:37] <mtcdood> that's a great suggestion
• 2097[23:13:43] <joepublic> !next
• 2098[23:13:43] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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• 2101[23:14:26] <mtcdood> you're telling me every program on the planet that uses FastCGI became unusable when Apache 2.4 came out
• 2102[23:14:27] <joepublic> you could put the whole thing in a virtual machine, install the superold package, and see what happens.
• 2103[23:14:34] <mtcdood> dude
• 2104[23:14:36] <joepublic> not necessarily recommending that, but it would be instructive at least.
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• 2106[23:14:43] <mtcdood> there's fcgid
• 2107[23:14:48] <mtcdood> I'm trying to figure out how to use it
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• 2110[23:14:56] <mtcdood> it's not like there's not just nothing that does CGI now
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• 2112[23:15:25] <mtcdood> I just don't know how to switch from one to the next, which I completely refuse to believe is impossible until I see a web page saying it is
• 2113[23:15:49] <joepublic> I am sure it's possible, I am just not knowledgeable enough to give you helpful advice how to do it unfortunately
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• 2115[23:16:02] <mtcdood> you're fine
• 2116[23:16:16] <mtcdood> "you dont" is the issue response, nothing you've said
• 2117[23:16:20] <petn-randall> mtcdood: Ok, so fastcgi isn't supported anymore in any recent web server. Have you considered any alternatives yet?
• 2118[23:16:25] <mtcdood> ...
• 2119[23:16:27] <mtcdood> yes
• 2120[23:16:46] <mtcdood> I'm trying to figure out how to use fcgid which appears, from my limited understanding, to be the modern equivalent
• 2121[23:16:49] <petn-randall> mtcdood: Most script languages have much faster alternatives. Even fastcgi isn't needed if you just want to execute script code serverside.
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• 2125[23:17:32] <petn-randall> mtcdood: What web application are we talking about, and in which language is it written?
• 2126[23:17:50] <mtcdood> this is a Perl application that takes a Twitter username and produces an RSS feed
• 2127[23:18:05] <mtcdood> for people that want programmatic access to tweets, just don't want a Twitter account, whatever motivation
• 2128[23:18:16] <mtcdood> replaced-url
• 2129[23:18:28] <mtcdood> it doesn't seem like a candidate for the "so old it's never going to be usable" club
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• 2131[23:18:45] <mtcdood> it's still being updated, and I don't think the guy is using a 5 year old distro
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• 2141[23:22:21] <petn-randall> mtcdood: There's libapache2-mod-fcgid, and libapache2-mod-perl2, from my quick search with aptitude.
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• 2143[23:23:27] <mtcdood> yeah
• 2144[23:23:49] <mtcdood> replaced-url
• 2145[23:23:54] <petn-randall> mtcdood: The former even being binary compatible to libapache2-mod-fastcgi, so you don't need much adapting.
• 2146[23:23:58] <mtcdood> replaced-url
• 2147[23:24:11] <mtcdood> ancient thing saying you need another thing
• 2148[23:24:23] <mtcdood> tried without then with the proxy
• 2149[23:24:30] <mtcdood> don't know how to configure the proxy
• 2150[23:24:37] <mtcdood> might need to
• 2151[23:24:49] <petn-randall> mtcdood: It comes with documentation in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/
• 2152[23:24:56] <mtcdood> oh that'll be great
• 2153[23:25:03] <mtcdood> go ahead and read through mod proxy
• 2154[23:25:15] <mtcdood> like 1% will be relevant and it won't be clearly labeled
• 2155[23:25:37] <mtcdood> because there aren't specific docs to the fastcgi proxy, it's the whole proxy module
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• 2157[23:26:10] <petn-randall> mtcdood: What else do you suggest other than reading the documentation, which explains how to use the software?
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• 2159[23:27:28] <mtcdood> have you actually read what I posted
• 2160[23:27:40] <mtcdood> replaced-url
• 2161[23:27:50] <mtcdood> there is exactly nothing in the file to do with this module
• 2162[23:27:54] <petn-randall> mtcdood: That is not the advise I gave you.
• 2163[23:27:54] <mtcdood> which is what I predicted
• 2164[23:28:08] <petn-randall> advice, even
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• 2169[23:30:19] <mtcdood> moot point
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• 2174[23:30:29] <mtcdood> the module isn't available in Debian, apparently
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• 2177[23:30:49] <petn-randall> ,v libapache2-mod-fcgid
• 2178[23:30:50] <mtcdood> 99% certain I had it installed, can't find it anywhere and can't find it in searches
• 2179[23:30:50] <judd> Package: libapache2-mod-fcgid on amd64 -- jessie: 1:2.3.9-1+b1; stretch: 1:2.3.9-1+b1; bullseye: 1:2.3.9-4; buster: 1:2.3.9-4; sid: 1:2.3.9-4
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• 2181[23:30:56] <mtcdood> not that, the proxy
• 2182[23:31:01] <mtcdood> fcgid doesn't work by itself
• 2183[23:31:20] <mtcdood> it can't directly call Perl scripts the way old FastCGI could, it needs some kind of helper
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• 2185[23:32:10] <petn-randall> mtcdood: libapache2-mod-fcgid does not depend on a mod-proxy package, so either it's not true, or mod-proxy is shipped in apache2 by default.
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• 2187[23:32:34] <mtcdood> it's in apache2-utils
• 2188[23:32:44] <petn-randall> However, if you're running buster, it's not there, so you need to use the other option I gave you.
• 2189[23:32:47] <mtcdood> I didn't say it is a dependency, I said fcgid doesn't work with it
• 2190[23:32:52] <mtcdood> I'm running oldstable
• 2191[23:33:02] <mtcdood> ok so I apologize for my earlier comment about docs
• 2192[23:33:10] <mtcdood> I found the actual specific docs for the individual module
• 2193[23:33:19] <petn-randall> It would be an RC bug if a package requires another one to work, but doesn't depend on it.
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• 2197[23:34:02] <mtcdood> under examples: replaced-url
• 2198[23:34:02] <petn-randall> Yes, reading the documentation that comes with the package saves a lot of time, as tutorials or online docs quickly because out of date when the versions don't match.
• 2199[23:34:48] <petn-randall> Well, you're *still* not reading the docs I'm telling you, you're instead reading the docs for a version of apache2 that isn't packaged in Debian.
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• 2206[23:37:59] <mtcdood> dude
• 2207[23:38:01] <mtcdood> ok fine
• 2208[23:38:04] <mtcdood> that's not going to matter
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• 2211[23:39:12] <mtcdood> yeah I don't know what you want me to do
• 2212[23:39:17] <mtcdood> I can't find the documentation for 2.4
• 2213[23:39:22] <mtcdood> it was however released in 2.3.9
• 2214[23:39:25] <mtcdood> so it's in 2.4
• 2215[23:40:10] <petn-randall> mtcdood: Ok, three time's the charm. Have you looked in /usr/share/doc/libapache2-mod-fcgid/?
• 2216[23:40:30] <mtcdood> why would I look in Debian docs
• 2217[23:40:51] <petn-randall> Ok, I'll ignore you now. Good luck!
• 2218[23:40:56] <mtcdood> did a Debian dev write the module or did an Apache dev?
• 2219[23:41:05] <mtcdood> I mean you can take your ball and run home pal
• 2220[23:41:13] <mtcdood> I was never playing with it, it doesn't hurt my feelings
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• 2226[23:43:24] <petn-randall> mtcdood: Because you'd then look at the actual documentation to the exact version you're running. But instead you looked at documentation not related to the module, then to documentation not applicable to that version, thus wasting everyone's time.
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• 2231[23:44:58] <spacebug^> killing '/lib/systemd/systemd --user' for my user and then login made it reload the groups I was added to. However lots of other stuff broke :D Anyway, it seems to be related to systemd.
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• 2234[23:46:57] <jhutchins> mtcdood: I haven't done fastcgi yet, but I had the impression that there was more to it than just enabling the module..
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• 2243[23:51:25] <misterred> Hi. if i exit hexchat my irc client, will this be saved (messages, joined channels...)?
• 2244[23:52:18] <petn-randall> misterred: You should be able to configure it to rejoin your channels. By default most irc clients don't log data, and don't rejoin channels.
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• 2246[23:53:41] <jhutchins> misterred: Some clients have a logging feature that will preserve the logs between sessions, or you may want to find a site that has a continuous log for what you missed while off-line.
• 2247[23:53:49] <misterred> petn-randall Thanks, is it to check autojoin only? What about history?
• 2248[23:53:54] <jhutchins> I just keep a continous session.
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• 2253[23:57:25] <misterred> Can you guys direct me. I need some i3wm, or bash(problem is with simple bash script) help.
• 2254[23:58:09] <jhutchins> misterred: You can try just posting it here.
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