10[00:02:45] <annadane> ryouma, try pulseaudio -k and pulseaudio --start, also possible you need to log in/out as installing pulse may have added you to the audio group
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74[00:35:58] <annadane> ok but like, if it added you to the audio group - i'm just guessing - you may need to log out/log in as your user to get the group membership to apply
75[00:36:06] <annadane> or the pulse group or whatever
80[00:38:33] <ryouma> i have always been in audio, but for pulse, logging in at console does not add me. are you saying i have to exit all instances of user before it will work?
81[00:39:07] <annadane> i don't know what "all instances of user" means
83[00:40:54] <ryouma> apologies if i offended. in any case, i do not seem to be in pulse. i have stuff running that makes me reluctant to restart x, but will do so if needed. all instances means "do you mean i need to not have user logged in anywhere or unning anything on the computer?"
84[00:40:59] <annadane> you can always just restate your question so it's fresh and not lost in the scrollback
85[00:41:07] <annadane> you didn't offend, i just worry that i'm not helping
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99[00:59:23] <wodim> when you have a dvd iso for debian, can you just dd it into a usb drive?
100[00:59:44] <ksk> wodim: I suggest using cat, but yes.
101[00:59:47] <ksk> !iso
102[00:59:47] <dpkg> [iso] CD image, a file containing an ISO 9660 standard filesystem. Debian CD/DVD images are available at replaced-url
103[01:00:01] <wodim> the manual says to use cp
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105[01:00:05] <ksk> eh, not quite the faq I was looking for :)
106[01:00:09] <wodim> i guess three things are the same
107[01:00:14] <ksk> !usb install
108[01:00:14] <dpkg> You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see replaced-url
109[01:00:21] <wodim> but dd has status=progress...
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111[01:00:33] <ksk> yeah dd and cat are for sure, cat just has some better defaults for copying to a usb-drive (you can tune dd of course..)
140[01:20:49] <Gerowen> Would it be ill-advised to just upgrade every package in stable from backports? I've got a laptop that freezes randomly, and I'm not sure if whether a newer kernel, firmware package, etc. would fix it.
141[01:21:08] <Gerowen> Thinking of just doing: apt -t buster-backports upgrade
142[01:21:23] <joepublic> that sounds pretty ill advised, yeah
149[01:23:15] <Gerowen> K, I'm just not sure which packages would help or hurt it. I've seen a few errors about missing radeon files for my integrated vega grapics, so I'll try just pulling in a new kernel and the firmware* packages.
161[01:28:08] <Gerowen> Negative. I've got my system log viewer up and have looked through there in the past immediately after a crash, but have never been able to find anything suspicious.
162[01:28:44] <Gerowen> Problem is the crashes are seemingly random, I'm not sure how to go about reproducing them reliably.
163[01:28:53] <ksk> if you have standard debian setup with journal and no rsyslogd, I dont think the journal is persistant (meaning it resets on power-off)
164[01:29:23] <joepublic> but /var/log/kern.log should hang around
176[01:35:08] <ryouma> sound is still not working. i have tried replaced-url
177[01:35:08] <ryouma> ipset High Definition Audio [8086:3b56] (rev 06)" and "Subsystem: Lenovo 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio [17aa:3604]"
180[01:36:13] <joepublic> lastebill1, good question. perhaps use gparted or some such to create a fresh new partition table on the drive, and try again
203[01:47:21] <joepublic> they appear related, the first being errors maybe with the storage device, and the second being failure and reset of the storage device
204[01:48:20] <lastebill1> ksk could you type out the excakt commands I need to run? It's my first run at parted. Sda is the disk
205[01:48:29] <Gerowen> I'm running the drive encrypted with the default LUKS option, set it up during install. The drive is just a plain old 2.5" SATA SSD.
206[01:48:49] <lastebill1> ksk: I type sudo parted and it opens parted
210[01:49:27] <joepublic> clean connectors, reinstall, wiggle a little?
211[01:49:30] <Gerowen> Possibly, I've got a replacement keyboard/clamshell arriving in a few days, so I'll have to take it apart anyway when it arrives.
212[01:50:03] <ksk> Gerowen: might be helpful to let us dedice whats bad and what not (Share full output)
214[01:50:18] <Gerowen> To be honest, I'm not thrilled with this thing, it had dead pixels upon arrival, RMA'd it and the replacement also has a dead pixel and a bright spot in the bottom right of the panel.
215[01:50:19] <ksk> I can only say it does not look too nice that error, but no Idea without context (the rest of dmesg output)
216[01:50:19] <lastebill1> ksk: /dev/sda (3001GB)
217[01:50:27] <lastebill1> when I type print devices
218[01:50:29] <Gerowen> ksk: I'll just upload my whole kern.log then.
219[01:51:04] <ksk> lastebill1: it would then be "parted /dev/sda" -> "print" - this should print you the partition table
220[01:51:07] <ksk> !paste
221[01:51:07] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
222[01:51:56] <ksk> 00:50 < lastebill1> ksk: /dev/sda (3001GB) -- this then means linux does recognize the hdd having 3T - a good first sign ;)
244[02:01:41] <ksk> lastebill1: okay, confirmed than, you have a 800G partition on that 3T drive.
245[02:01:46] <ksk> s/than/then/
246[02:01:50] <nvz> you have a single 802GB partition on the disk it would seem
247[02:02:19] <ksk> it also has the boot flag set, as a sidenode - finally diskspace to install all the kernels that have been and will ever be :D
248[02:02:35] <nvz> idk what kinda crap other than the HTTPs that irccloud.com has, cause I never got past that point.. just kept spinning and spinning
249[02:02:53] <nvz> it did the dns lookup, the tls handshake, then just nothing
250[02:03:12] <ksk> lastebill1: I assume you want a 3T partition? and further, that you a) have no data stored there, that you need anymore?
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268[02:06:24] <ksk> if you dont *need* to resize a partition, I would rather stay away from that. but yeah sure, you should be able to do it without any problems most of times
269[02:06:27] <nvz> lastebill1: resizing will take awhile and if you dont need any data on it, then there is no reason to be resizing it
270[02:07:08] <ksk> lastebill1: soo, to delete the partition and create a new one, its basicly these steps:
271[02:08:24] <ksk> "parted /dev/sda <enter> print (to make sure sda is selected, and disks looks like you expect) <enter> del 1 <enter> (will delete first partition)
272[02:08:50] <ksk> make sure sda is the device you want to "reformat" - your data will be lost by issuing the del command! (more or less..)
273[02:09:11] <nvz> I somehow doubt that
274[02:09:49] <ksk> then you do "mklabel GPT" (again, iirc, and it will ask you for a fancy name) - then mkpart with start 1 and end -1 - then you exit parted, then you call "mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda1" and be done
277[02:10:18] <ksk> deleting the partition table will of course not delete your data, but still you should not be doing that if you want to keep it in the first place.. :P
279[02:11:15] <joepublic> it will "make your data go away" which is kind of a fine distinction
280[02:11:20] <ryouma`> i asked a question about audio a short while ago in an irc session that became wedged. i am back, but stil wedged in that versin of it and i have no scrollback and did not see any answers.
281[02:11:51] <joepublic> fwiw ryouma` I saw it but have nothing to add. Be encouraged, most here are however smarter than I
282[02:12:04] <ksk> ryouma`: as far as I can tell nobody shared any insights about that. maybe try again tomorrow, its sunday night right now in europe ;)
285[02:13:57] <lastebill1> ksk: how about making a partition for the rest of the disk space? The rest of the space is currently unpartitioned, correct?
298[02:22:19] <jim> trying to build a kernel package, it says it wants to install gcc 9 but it's not installable (and a couple others)... does this mean I can't build a kernel package under buster?
299[02:22:43] <lastebill1> so I use mkpart, extended. Is there a way to just start at the unpartitioned part of the disk and stop at the end?
300[02:23:12] <lastebill1> or is the only way to spesify the excakt location for both?
301[02:23:44] <ksk> jim: "apt-cache search gcc-9" begs to differ.. what are you trying to install? care to paste?
302[02:24:05] <ksk> lastebill1: good question, let me know the answer :P
305[02:25:44] <jim> ksk, just trying to build a 5.3.9 kernel (same version as buster backport) and try to use the newer-than-kernel-package way to do it (not sure yet what that is, discovering as I go)
349[02:34:42] <joepublic> I pick the latter and use qemu/kvm with aqemu
350[02:35:10] <jim> whatsaqemu?
351[02:35:15] <nvz> I tried qemu again awhile back.. still seemed like a bad idea to switch
352[02:35:19] <joepublic> if you (1) can use virtualbox, and (2) are really patient, you can use aqemu
353[02:35:33] <nvz> its still far more cumbersome to use, and didnt seem to support dynamic disks
354[02:35:35] <joepublic> aqemu is a frontend for qemu/kvm vaguely similar to the virtualbox interface
355[02:36:04] <jim> oh, like virt-manager?
356[02:36:22] <joepublic> something like virt-manager, but looks-n-feels more like virtualbox in my opinion
357[02:36:34] <jim> oh ok
358[02:37:14] <nvz> I only have a 128GB ssd in here and I like to keep VMs for all the DEs handy.. virtualbox allows me to do that, making large disks but only occupying the space actually used on them
359[02:37:31] <nvz> so I have 9 buster VMs on here under 50G
360[02:37:32] <jim> how do I search for held packages?
365[02:39:21] <nvz> or you can just run any apt command, and it'll tell you there are held packages
366[02:39:34] <joepublic> nvz, qemu's native .qcow disk image format only take up space actually occupied. the qemu-img command can convert back and forth between disk image formats.
367[02:39:48] <joepublic> .qcow2 I should say, I guess
368[02:40:07] <nvz> joepublic: news to me. I still see no reason to switch
369[02:40:28] <joepublic> the newer kernel issue would be the reason to switch if it caused you a problem.
370[02:40:43] <nvz> I like the ease of use of virtualbox, the saved state, the scale/seamless/fullscreen/windowed modes.. etc
372[02:41:02] <nvz> I just went back to the stock kernel and waited a few days for the new virtualbox release :P
373[02:41:19] <joepublic> those features exist in clunkier versions in qemu, but qemu doesn't do video acceleration, so that would be a big reason not to switch if you need that.
375[02:42:44] <joepublic> for my qemu virtual machines I run them in the background and connect to the with vnc. not vncserver running on the host, but connect straight to qemu with krdc vnc client, which shows whatever's on the guest machine's screen, from bios post on.
376[02:43:13] <r4u1> SET theme chaves.theme
377[02:43:34] <joepublic> THEME SET failed. Thanks and have a nice day.
388[02:45:02] <ksk> spaceghost: why dont you have a home directory? you are running weechat as user, yes?
389[02:45:12] <joepublic> out of curiosity what does `whoami` or `ls -al ~` say?
390[02:45:32] <spaceghost> Yes.
391[02:45:35] <ksk> rather what joe-public says, if you dont know answers to my questions ;)
392[02:46:15] <jim> spaceghost, could you run: ls -ld / /home /home/spaceghost /home/spaceghost/.weechat 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
393[02:46:39] <joepublic> much better jim.
394[02:47:03] <jim> well I think that would identify the problem
395[02:48:04] <jim> we'll get the error messages too
396[02:48:12] <jim> if any :)
397[02:49:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1432
398[02:49:47] <jim> joepublic, I built a feature into my irc script that turns /home/spaceghost/.weechat into / /home /home/spaceghost /home/spaceghost/.weechat
399[02:50:06] <joepublic> well done.
400[02:50:19] <spaceghost> Uhm.
401[02:50:39] <jim> because I discovered that permission problems come up here often enough to justify hacking it into there
402[02:50:44] <spaceghost> As soon as i log i see this:
403[02:50:56] <spaceghost> Could not chdir to home directory /home/spaceghost: No such file or directory
404[02:51:04] <jim> uhoh
405[02:51:19] <joepublic> that takes us back to, wonder why you don't have a home directory. how's that paste coming?
406[02:51:31] <spaceghost> I changed the password recently, not sure if that can be related.
407[02:51:33] <jim> that identifies the problem, like a sledgehammer on a christmas reindeer
409[02:52:06] <ksk> might be you put your /home on a partiton/disk/whatever that is not available right now, but thats rather something you can tell us, than the other way round..
410[02:52:15] <jim> spaceghost, are you using that same machine to irc here?
413[02:52:36] <spaceghost> I am trying to install an irc client in my vps.
414[02:52:44] <spaceghost> Here i am connected from my localhost.
415[02:53:15] <jim> so, did you create the user for that today?
416[02:53:24] <joepublic> have you ever logged in to your server and not seen a warning about no home directory? if so, what changed between then and now?
417[02:53:52] <ksk> also your ls "/home" shows "Aug 30" -- which is quite some days from this day..
418[02:54:11] <jim> spaceghost, so, did you create the user for that today?
473[03:28:22] <dpkg> extra, extra read all about it, su is switch/set user. It is used to change User ID's and/or gain super user access. Since Debian Buster, "su -" or "su -l" is needed to access programs located in /sbin. It provides an root environment as if the superuser had logged in directly. See "man su".
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475[03:28:37] <jim> so get out of that root shell using: exit <enter>, then get back in using su -
479[03:30:30] <jim> about the user... normally, debian will create a group that's the same name as the user, and make that your primary group
480[03:30:42] <jim> spaceghost, want to do that?
481[03:30:46] <spaceghost> Oke. The user is deleted. What command to create the user now?
482[03:30:49] <joepublic> hint, yes you do
483[03:30:55] <spaceghost> Yes.
484[03:31:01] <joepublic> adduser spaceghost
485[03:31:24] <jim> ok, the command adduser <username> will do all that for you
486[03:31:45] <ksk> spaceghost: btw, "man useradd" would kind of have told you to use adduser instead ;)
487[03:32:12] <spaceghost> Thank you.
488[03:33:09] <jim> also, useradd would need a "-m" flag to create the home directory -and- populate it with whatever is in /etc/skel
489[03:33:22] <jim> adduser will just do that
490[03:33:58] <forbid> not gonna lie i wasted a lot of my time fiddling with useradd before i realized adduser is way better
491[03:34:20] <spaceghost> One more question, i put this: sudo apt-get update and then i am asked for password of spaceghost and it says that is not in the sudoers list.
492[03:34:31] <ksk> you should maybe invest in the habit of reading manpages before trying commands out :P
493[03:34:32] <spaceghost> Then for what is sudo?
494[03:34:58] <ksk> spaceghost: for "su" you need to know the root-pw. to use sudo your own user password
495[03:35:18] <forbid> well the thing is i did use the man page for useradd but i glossed over the fact that adduser is better :)
496[03:35:18] <ksk> but you need to allow your user to become root (via sudo) first
497[03:35:20] <jim> spaceghost, you can add sudoers to the user's list of secondary groups
498[03:35:51] <spaceghost> <ksk> but you need to allow your user to become root (via sudo) first
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504[03:36:48] <ksk> it means that anyone who knows your users password can become root - in contrast to anyone knowing root its password - so not really a risk if you are aware of that little difference
505[03:37:09] <joepublic> spaceghost, you could also as root use the command visudo to add your user to sudo - there is a line that looks like 'root ALL (ALL:ALL) ALL' -- right under it, add an identical line that says spaceghost instead of root
506[03:37:15] <ksk> and you do that by adding your user to the sudoers group, as jim pointed out.
547[03:45:27] <spaceghost> When i try to do apt-get upgrade it says: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
574[03:50:21] <spaceghost> Oke, now apt-get upgrade worked, thank you folks.
575[03:51:08] <jim> "oh, you're aiming a nuke at that other irc user who's giving you trouble? put the nuke down carefully, we know you're mad, so just let it go"
576[03:52:31] <jim> spaceghost, do you remember what command was interrupted?
643[04:09:52] <ksk> Elon_Satoshi: I think you are then down to "get java from oracle" - if they still have a supported java8 version at all - or tell the dev to upgrade to a supported and maintained java release
656[04:15:52] <ksk> you then connect to your box via ssh (or mosh), re-attach to the screen/tmux and have your irc client running. it will continue running if you are gone/not logged in - and you can connect back to it at any time
678[04:22:50] <nvz> moaker_: which DE are you using?
679[04:23:05] <spaceghost> <ksk> spaceghost: might also be you are looking for a "tmux + irssi (insert CLI irc client here" setup - I quite like it myself
680[04:23:14] <moaker_> kde atm.. but open to others
681[04:23:27] <nvz> ,i kolor-manager
682[04:23:28] <judd> No package named 'kolor-manager' was found in buster/amd64.
683[04:23:29] <spaceghost> Yes, or weechat plus glowing bear or quassel server plus quassel client.
684[04:23:50] <moaker_> ahh thx nvz
685[04:24:01] <nvz> ,i kolormanager
686[04:24:02] <judd> No package named 'kolormanager' was found in buster/amd64.
687[04:24:46] <moaker_> hmm repos cant find it either heh
688[04:25:06] <moaker_> but ill google
689[04:25:20] <nvz> I know the nvidia driver implements something called digital vibrance which is pretty amazing
690[04:25:44] <nvz> but without a fancy driver based tool, icc_profiles are a PITA especially system wide
781[05:27:03] <goofball128> jim no but i am planning to switch from Windows to Debian, for learning purposes
782[05:27:35] <ryouma> the thing about my sound card is, the speaker clicks (like it does when you plug in the plug) upon reboot. i wonder if that indicates anything about software? or is it just that power is lost momentariily?
784[05:28:47] <jim> (debian is pretty flexible as far as upgrades... in order to upgrade, you would need disk space in the /var directory so the upgrade process can download package files there)
785[05:29:26] <nvz> moaker: does this help if key == 'red':
798[05:32:09] <ryouma> goofball128: then the problem is, if you want to take your sinstallation and run it on different hardware. i do this, and it works, but i'm haveing sound card issues.
799[05:32:13] <ryouma> i.e. no sound
800[05:32:20] <jim> I like to let it just download package files, at a time when I'm eating dinner or sleeping... then I can start the upgrade again and let it install the packages (part of what I mean by flexibility)
801[05:32:26] * nvz changes line 23 to read: widget['widget'] = Scale(self, from_=0.1, to=10, orient=HORIZONTAL, resolution=0.001, name=setting)
802[05:32:37] <nvz> as it supports much higher floating point resolution than I thought :P
803[05:32:49] <ryouma> jim: is this just an option to apt-get and apt?
804[05:33:08] <jim> yes, specifically the -d option
805[05:33:34] <ryouma> then you don't wait for those incessant configuration dialogs -- they are all at once?
809[05:34:33] <jim> well that's not what I mean... you can jsut download package files, and you can install those packages... the former is with -d, the latter, without
810[05:34:40] <nvz> moaker: just save it as a file "pygamma" then "chmod -x pygamma" and "./pygamma"
812[05:34:45] <annadane> ryouma, the thing with any instructions is you have to decide what's important to you - people have a lot of different configurations/expectations so the release notes are more detailed than the average person perhaps needs
814[05:35:05] <annadane> generally a lot of people probably can just update sources, apt update, apt upgrade, apt dist-upgrade... but do read the notes
815[05:35:13] <annadane> if only to skim
816[05:35:27] * nvz is a regular tkinter one-trick-pony
817[05:35:33] <jim> if you're running a server for someone else, of course you have to be very careful
818[05:36:02] <ryouma> annadane: yeah i think i am ok at that. i was intimidated by e.g. internet interface renaming. but then i ran into it and figured out on my own taht you can do config -a and then add a line to /etc/network something or other, and there is no fancy other stuff you need to do
819[05:36:23] <ryouma> (that is i think i am ok at discardign most o0f the irrelevnatn stuff. but it was still intimidating)
820[05:36:51] <jim> annadane, there's usually a step before all those, before even changing your sources: you would first bring your -current- version up to date
823[05:37:59] <ryouma> jim: i thought that is what you meant. to dist upgrade to buster do you do apt update; apt -d upgrade; apt -d dist-upgrade, then do the samet hing without -d?
824[05:38:06] <annadane> "issues to be aware of for $stablereleasename" is probably more important than "stuff that's new"
825[05:38:15] <annadane> and a lot of it won't apply to most people
826[05:38:18] <nvz> that lil tool can def use some cleanup :P *shrugs*
827[05:38:48] <annadane> though, do back up your stuff before release upgrades
830[05:39:25] <jim> annadane, example, if you're running stretch and you want to get to buster, you would first run dist-upgrade without changing sources
831[05:39:53] <jim> then change sources to buster, then go from there according to the release notew
832[05:39:57] <jim> notes
833[05:41:06] <ryouma> indeed, but presumably the release notes tells you to do so. i hope.
834[05:43:14] <annadane> i was surprised to learn release upgrades are relatively painful in the BSDs
835[05:43:26] <annadane> debian by contrast is kind of famously known for ease of transition
836[05:43:40] <annadane> and if you want to be really sure the problems are ironed out, wait until x.1
837[05:44:09] <annadane> or even x.2 for the truly paranoid, you do get a year of full support
838[05:44:26] <ryouma> my problem is i read the realease notes and take notes on them and then... if they change i won't know
840[05:47:05] <jim> ryouma, I think I would: apt dist-upgrade (with -d if I don't have time, and without again when I have time); at this point the older dist should be uptodate; then change sources to the next version of debian (no further than one though), then apt -d upgrade (then without -d when I have time then), then apt upgrade with -d if I don't have time (but then I run it again without the -d to complete this part of the upgrade)
841[05:47:47] <annadane> and do change your sources to the code name, not 'stable'
842[05:48:21] <jim> annadane, yes, if you change them to "stable", you could get surprised :P
843[05:49:12] <annadane> i still haven't done an actual release upgrade
844[05:49:21] <annadane> all my installs of stretch and buster were new
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847[05:50:49] <jim> annadane, how many stretches do you have/.
848[05:50:50] <jim> ?
849[05:50:50] <ryouma> annadane: installing takes forever though. you have to create all your accounts, and make sure you have the same packages that you used to (not sure what to do for tihs as there are different instructions out there), then make sure your /etc is appropriate, right?
919[06:23:17] <pythonhelpadjjj> I don't feel like submitting a official bug report so if someone else wants to. Debian 10, fresh install, install ufw, can't access ufw without modifying $PATH to contain /bin
920[06:23:49] <pythonhelpadjjj> Not even root can
921[06:23:50] <auscompgeek> is /bin not a symlink on your freshly-installed system?
934[06:37:02] <ryouma> firefox-esr is crashing before it even comes up. i have completely replaced my .mozilla directory with a known good one and it still crashes. this has occurred before recently and spontaneously fixed itself. is there some other source of data firefox reads from?
950[06:48:05] <ryouma> nvz: it still crashes (with the same dialog but not themed for gtk). it creates files in .cache and .mozilla. it does not create any fontconfig things.
965[06:52:24] <pythonhelpadjjj> Anyone know how to run a command when a systemd service dies and gets respawned?
966[06:53:28] <pythonhelpadjjj> I want to pause for a few seconds, ensure the process has completely left memory, run a command to send a message, then begin the restart
970[06:57:39] <ryouma> nvz: -safe-mode crashed. i tried using another user, but i don't have another user with any kind of x set up, and sux - no longer operates properly to make the other user show up on my user's x.
971[06:59:20] <pythonhelpadjjj> han-solo, Yes but systemd
972[06:59:36] <ryouma> nvz: ok, i did xhost +, run quickly from another user, xhost -. it crashed exactly the same as with main user
974[06:59:53] <ryouma> it also said: ExceptionHandler::GenerateDump cloned child 24140 ExceptionHandler::SendContinueSignalToChild sent continue signal to child ExceptionHandler::WaitForContinueSignal waiting for continue signal...
991[07:05:31] <nvz> pythonhelpadjjj: another way might be ExecStartPre=, ExecStartPost=, ExecStop=, ExecStopPost=, or ExecReload=
992[07:06:11] <nvz> pythonhelpadjjj: see the Restart= in systemd-service(5)
993[07:06:38] <pythonhelpadjjj> nvz, so if I have it do Restart=on-failure I can't use OnFailure but instead must use ExecReload?
994[07:07:08] <annadane> what actually are the best resources for systemd learning?
995[07:07:12] <pythonhelpadjjj> I just wanna write this down before I got to bed. Writing this unit file has kept me up an extra 2 hours. I've never done it before and now I feel comfortable doing it again
996[07:07:54] <pythonhelpadjjj> annadane, The documents are extremely verbose and don't get to the point fast, but they do tell you a lot. stackoverflow has been a god send to me and reading other unit files in /etc/systemd/system has been very very helpful!
997[07:08:07] <han-solo> maybe `ExecStopPost=`...
998[07:08:18] <annadane> freedesktop has some good pages
999[07:08:29] <annadane> it's just such a massive thing that it's hard to keep on top of
1001[07:08:44] <nvz> annadane: man pages or freedesktop.org or #systemd
1002[07:09:17] <ryouma> i can't even keep on top of /bin/true
1003[07:09:32] <han-solo> i wish, they showed more example use case service, timer, tareget units
1004[07:09:35] <pythonhelpadjjj> ryouma, I suggest you try /bin/false instead!
1005[07:09:42] <ryouma> that's even worse!
1006[07:09:50] <pythonhelpadjjj> what about /bin/yes?!
1007[07:10:01] <annadane> /bin/laden
1008[07:10:21] <pythonhelpadjjj> I have a /bin/fish. this explains why it smells.
1009[07:10:26] <pythonhelpadjjj> :s
1010[07:11:04] <annadane> i've messed around briefly with fish and zsh, i wonder how much the ones in debian are useful compared to the more recent upstream versions
1034[07:14:38] <dpkg> methinks ed is the standard editor! replaced-url
1035[07:14:55] <annadane> oh hi there broken link
1036[07:15:12] <pythonhelpadjjj> !nano
1037[07:15:12] <dpkg> GNU nano is a text <editor>, the default editor on Debian systems since 4.0 "Etch". nano is also a DFSG-free alternative to <pico>. replaced-url
1101[07:27:21] <Rodon> is it possible to have colored text of apt output ?
1102[07:27:34] <nvz> Rodon: of course
1103[07:27:59] <ryouma> i think my firefox problems at leasst this time started because it crashed. which was because home fs /ewasn't available and became ro
1104[07:28:12] <ealfonso> this should be discoverable by apt-file, right? how am I supposed to know that I need to search for nc.traditional or netcat. nvz installed by cloud provider
1137[07:47:37] <fraktor> I'm using Debian Sid, and I wanted to do a dist-upgrade, but it listed a whole lot of packages to remove, including g++, rustc, cargo, all the llvm libraries, and so on. What caused this to happen?
1138[07:47:40] <nvz> the answer is task-mate-desktop Recommends libreoffice which recommends libreoffice-report-builder which depends on libpentaho-reporting-flow-engine-java which depends on libapache-poi-java which depends on libjaxb-java which depends on libistack-commons-java which depends on libmaven3-core-java which Suggests liblogback-java which suggests libtomcat9-java which suggests tomcat9 which suggests tomcat9-user
1148[07:50:39] <nvz> fraktor: thats what sid is named after.. sid breaks things.. thats what he does..
1149[07:51:17] <nvz> fraktor: if you're going to run sid, you're suppose to know how to avoid these problems, fix them, report them, etc.
1150[07:52:15] <fraktor> I just did a regular upgrade instead of a dist-ugprade. I don't think I can add any more information, since these would affect every single developer on Debian. I just wanted to understand why this was happening.
1151[07:53:09] <nvz> you shouldn't be using dist-upgrade unless you are doing a dist-upgrade.. which since you're on sid, there is nothing to dist-upgrade to
1152[07:53:58] <nvz> dist-upgrade allows apt to be more lax in resolving things.. including removing things
1153[07:54:35] <nvz> you also shouldn't be running sid
1154[07:54:41] <fraktor> I see. I'll keep that in mind in the future.
1155[07:55:34] <annadane> what you can do meanwhile is apt upgrade first, so it upgrades the things that *can* be, then see if there isn't a transition going on (debian-devel mailing lists or the debian transition tracker) or maybe wait a few days, or at your discretion use aptitude to resolve stuff
1157[07:55:48] <annadane> but yeah, this is what you get running sid
1158[07:56:00] <nvz> "performs the function of upgrade but will remove currently installed packages if this is needed to upgrade the system as a whole."
1159[07:57:09] <annadane> what i liked to do with sid is to investigate things with aptitude to see why stuff was happening but i'm just weird and like doing that and not everyone can trace dependencies
1160[07:57:27] <annadane> i basically never accepted aptitude's proposals, i only used it to see what was going on
1161[07:58:00] <annadane> !tell fraktor about debian-next
1162[07:58:42] <fraktor> Is that testing instead of unstable?
1175[08:02:30] <annadane> sid does assume you're familiar with debian
1176[08:02:53] <annadane> if you're using sid because you want newer stuff, many people don't actually need new stuff, and if you do it's relatively trivial to get most things in stable
1177[08:03:05] <nvz> the better approach is to run stable, and ask your real question here
1178[08:03:15] <fraktor> I tried that for a while, but I do kind of like bleeding-edge stuff.
1179[08:03:21] <fraktor> Maybe I should just go back to Arch. :P
1185[08:05:16] <nvz> I will however likely run testing/unstable again at some point.. just not right now.. as I have one machine I use regularly.. and I want it to work
1186[08:05:53] <fraktor> I've got two machines, so I should be good if something really screws up
1189[08:07:27] <nvz> I have 5 machines, but I dont wanna be dragging others out and fooling with em.. it'd all be nothing but a useless waste of my time right now
1198[08:11:38] <nvz> then I take em to WV to get em changed.. since nobody else is dumb enough to accept a $16 bill .. but this hillbilly will give me two $8s or four $4s for em every time..
1199[08:12:21] * nvz smirks
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1201[08:12:46] <nvz> fraktor: yeah, so do I.. which is why I use stable
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1203[08:13:16] <nvz> cause I want it to work, even when I want something newer
1207[08:13:55] <ealfonso> nvz yeah. but I still expect it to be easier to discover what package I need to install nc, even if I'm on a base install. shouldn't the "nc" symlink be managed by the netcat* package?
1212[08:14:44] <ealfonso> I also noticed that, before installing netcat, nc gave me: "nc: command not found". but after removing netcat{,-traditional}, I get "/usr/bin/nc: No such file or directory"
1213[08:14:46] <nvz> ealfonso: no, its managed by the alternatives package near as I can tell
1227[08:26:45] <nvz> I'm tempted to stop this ssb, cause I dont have any interest in blender, and I highly doubt there are any key feature differences beween 2.79 and 2.80 that they are concerned about
1233[08:29:18] <nvz> I do however have to get my power cord.. heh.. backporting something like this has me drawing 16.3w instead of the 4.5w or so I was drawing before..
1244[08:39:31] <nevivurn> Hi, I want to set up a debian server to host my personal email, hopefully to start using it as my mail email if it turns out to be reliable enough. There seems to be a very wide array of software I can piece together to do this, do you guys have any suggestions?
1245[08:40:03] <nevivurn> I'm familiar enough with general server administration, but email is a first for me.
1246[08:41:38] <nevivurn> And I want to be able to send and receive mail from a local email client, such as thunderbird. (so I don't require a web interface).
1284[09:24:11] <nick11> Hi. I am storing my laptop for a long time, like 1 year. It will not be used. How much battery should I charge it at before storing? It is a Lithium ion battery. Thoughts?
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1288[09:27:27] <Ede|Popede> !hardware
1289[09:27:27] <dpkg> Before buying any hardware, make sure it is supported by all operating systems you want to use; ask me about <hcl>. To acquire details about your current hardware, ask me about <whats my hardware>. Please ask all non-Debian-specific hardware questions in ##hardware on irc.freenode.net.
1290[09:27:32] <Ede|Popede> may be more effective, nick11
1379[10:42:07] <cluelessperson> Hi there. I'm confused about something. I'm using network manager in a debian instance, however I'm having problems with it not autoconnecting to wifi.
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1381[10:44:03] <cluelessperson> I can manually connect to wifi
1382[10:44:03] <cluelessperson> but otherwise it doesn't autoconnect, and sometimes after suspend, network manager reports "networking disabled" in an xfce indicator.
1383[10:44:03] <cluelessperson> so far, requiring a reboot
1412[10:57:42] <xaaa> how stable is ZFS in Debian Stable?
1413[10:58:15] <xaaa> is it nowdays as realiable as ext4 for data partition (not for root)? will be using it raid'ed over 2 disks, and also over cryptsetup encryption
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1415[11:00:23] <kaleidekopy> Thankss Habbie. I'm attempting to run an encrypted /boot partition and seperate UEFI partition.
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1417[11:00:40] <kaleidekopy> when i boot, it drops into a grub> prompt and i'm unable to insmod cryptdisk
1419[11:01:12] <kaleidekopy> when i run "insmod cryptodisk" it says "error: file `/grub/x86_64-efi/cryptodisk.mod` was not found
1420[11:01:45] <kaleidekopy> which makes sense, because the /grub/x86_64 folder itself isn't decrypted yet... but then how do i get it to put it into the efi image?
1421[11:02:22] <kaleidekopy> .efi files all i see in the /EFI folder are the
1447[11:15:08] <ratrace> xaaa: the only problem I currently have with it, is that due to those licensing shenanigans and upstream fixes being broken, ZFS on Debian for now disabled any SIMD support. This currently only affects the fletcher4 checksumming as ZFS in Stable is still 0.7.x, thus no native encryption (which is heavily affected by that)
1457[11:24:50] <xaaa> ratrace: the ZFS code can not use some of CPU instructions? wtf O_o
1458[11:25:27] <xaaa> ratrace: how can ZFS checksum data files, if the file is image of a VM, and the VM does many small writes?
1459[11:25:37] <ratrace> xaaa: yea, the kernel changed license around some API that ZFS was using for SIMD, to GPL-only and caused huged mess
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1461[11:25:58] <ratrace> xaaa: for VMs on ZFS use ZVOLs, not files
1462[11:26:01] <xaaa> does it keep sum for like each 16K or something? even then it needs to recalculate, and read, 16384B for each e.g. 256B write inside vm
1463[11:26:29] <xaaa> ratrace: ok and if I wouldn't, then how bad/slow it is then?
1464[11:26:43] <xaaa> (other files also might get arbitrary reads in the midle, well, DB for example)
1465[11:26:47] <ratrace> xaaa: ZFS is block-level, so it does that regardless of whether it's a VM or not. it looks at a transaction and has dynamic recordsize, so if 16k was written, it'll write out a block of 16k
1466[11:26:56] <ratrace> (and checksum it as one blok)
1467[11:27:32] <ratrace> xaaa: it's very slow in some cases, if "page" size and recordsize of the modified block is not aligned.
1469[11:27:45] <ratrace> xaaa: problem is with modification of prevously written blocks, not with writing out new blocks.
1470[11:28:19] <ratrace> if you had a block that was part of, say, 128k transaction (default recordsize), and now you modify only 1k inside of it, ZFS needs to load up, checksum, modify, checksum and write out the whole 128k block.
1473[11:28:54] <ratrace> that's why you want to separate recordsize policies to different datasets. for example, our postgres databases use separate dataset with recordsize=8k which is aligned with postgres 8k pages
1475[11:30:31] <xaaa> ratrace: doesn't that become a problem for files like databases, or torrents while being downloaded
1476[11:31:32] <ratrace> xaaa: it does if you're not aligning recordsize with applications "page" size or whatever. for postgres, that's 8k, so having recordsize of 8k means that ZFS won't consider blocks larger than that, and even if a 512k transaction was made, it'll split it up (and checksum inidividually) into 8k blocks.
1477[11:31:54] <ratrace> so when it's aligned like that, there's no problem.
1479[11:32:21] <ratrace> bottom line is, ZFS is a very slow filesystem. you don't wanna use it if speed is more important than data integrity.
1480[11:32:53] <ratrace> on the read-intensive side, ZFS kicks ass due to superb ARC algorithm and multiple caches it uses
1481[11:34:04] <ratrace> however, you can mitigate some of those issues with a) enough RAM for ARC to fit most frequently accessed data, b) proper recordsize, c) a SLOG devices (eg. an SSD or nvme) that buffers up write intensive activity before it flushes it to spinning rust
1488[11:41:29] <u1f320> Does anyone know if, in lxqt, the desktop icons(toggled from Desktop Preferences) My Computer, Network and Trash, are dependent on systemd to work?
1491[11:45:00] <u1f320> Would this command be necessary if I hadn't set any root password? # usermod -aG sudo user
1492[11:45:31] <u1f320> I mean, when installing
1493[11:47:15] <ratrace> u1f320: probably not, those icons have nothing to do with systemd.
1494[11:47:33] <u1f320> k thx
1495[11:48:17] <damex> ratrace: depending on workload but for example in our case zfs kicks ass on writes due to zil/slog so zfs is not a slow 'file system' :)
1496[11:48:55] <ratrace> damex: it is, compared to others, regardless of slog. just the fact that it checksums each block on read/write slows it down considerably compared to other fs
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1500[11:50:49] <ratrace> damex: the advantage of ZFS in that case is ARC and multiple caches it does. so when compared to "regular" (LRU) pagecache (eg. ext4), it's more effective.
1505[11:51:44] <ratrace> disadvantage of that is that while it _acts_ like pagecache, the kernel doesn't see it as such, and in some high memory pressure situations there can be out-of-ram issues if ZFS doesn't free the caches up fast enough
1508[11:52:19] <ratrace> (which is the reason why by default ZFS takes only 50% of RAM for ARC, and it's not advised to ramp that up to total RAM size)
1509[11:52:21] <damex> well, you can limit arc :)
1510[11:52:58] <ratrace> you can but it's manual operation. there _can_ be situations where regardless of your limit, other parts of the system require RAM and ZFS doesn't free it fast enough
1511[11:53:52] <xaaa> ratrace: will ZFS ever be in main repo of debian? with contrib, as it seems to be now, I'm worried about quality of suporting it, and of bug fix releases
1512[11:55:17] <ratrace> I don't know if it will, but I wouldn't worry about that. worst case, you'll pull in sources from github and build locally. been there, done that, it's not a problem at all.
1528[12:02:50] <ratrace> xaaa: Ubuntu is taking ZFS to be first-class citizen, supported by installer and other parts of the system. With that alone I wouldn't worry about ZFS support in Debian. iirc some maintainers of it are doing both debian and ubuntu ZFS packages.
1530[12:03:26] <kaleidekopy> yeah im still having a problem with grub :( i am completely unable to get cryptomount to work
1531[12:04:16] <kaleidekopy> i rebuilt my grub image, it said that it included the proper modules.. but then when i boot from it, it looks like it doesnt include them at all
1532[12:05:01] <u1f320> how do I know which debian I'm using?
1537[12:05:56] <ratrace> u1f320: cat /etc/debian_version, or lsb_release -a
1538[12:06:18] <ratrace> lsb_release won't tell you which point release you're on, though, so /etc/debian_version is the best source of that information
1539[12:06:34] <u1f320> cool, all great info, cheers all!
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1733[14:42:43] <ratrace> and basically, one installs zfsutils-linux, which pulls in both spl-dkms and zfs-dkms, but there's a bug on buster where you have to install spl-dkms first and before zfs-dkms
1955[16:51:31] <guysoft42> hey all, how do I set the default architecture in a multi arch system? Aka I want dpkg --print-architecture to print something else. Is this hardcoded to the dpkg binary or can it be modified?
1956[16:51:44] <greycat> The "default" architecture is what you installed from.
1964[16:54:20] <Akuw> trying to add this deb replaced-url
1965[16:54:34] <greycat> ,file bin/ss
1966[16:54:40] <Akuw> but got does not have a Release file
1967[16:54:42] <judd> Search for bin/ss in buster/amd64: iproute2: bin/ss
1968[16:54:54] <greycat> hesco: iproute2 (see bot response above)
1969[16:54:56] <Akuw> is working that server?
1970[16:55:13] <hesco> thanks greycat, judd. that is helpful
1971[16:55:14] <greycat> !httpredir.debian.org
1972[16:55:14] <dpkg> The httpredir.debian.org redirector (based on HTTP 302s) was shutdown on 2017-02-13 and replaced by <deb.debian.org>. Existing entries in sources.list will keep working as the DNS entries for httpredir.debian.org have been pointed to deb.debian.org.
1977[16:58:30] <greycat> So, one answer is "Yes, it should work." Another answer is "You should migrate your sources.list to the new thing." The real answer, if I remember correctly from last week, is "Fix or work around whatever broken HTTP proxy is causing all of your problems."
1983[17:01:13] <JPT> I use udev rules like this to rename the real interfaces according to their mac address: SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", ATTR{address}=="00:1b:21:da:b3:85", NAME="eth0"
1984[17:01:46] <JPT> However, for some now partially known reason, systemd-udevd decides to rename my vlan interfaces right after systemd-networkd created them.
1986[17:03:12] <Akuw> but that server gives ping response
1987[17:03:15] <JPT> So systemd-networkd creates a vlan interface like eth0.7 on top of eth0, and then systemd-udevd comes along and tries to rename it - the interface gets stuck with a name like "rename10".
1991[17:04:44] <JPT> I've already heard that this behaviour might be due to a new NamePolicy feature in systemd, but that does not help me understand, what exactly to do to fix my situation up.
1998[17:07:55] <greycat> If your actual goal is "Oops, I installed i386 I wanted amd64 how do I turn it into amd64", the only supported answer is reinstall. See also !crossgrade
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2039[17:27:36] <jhutchins_wk> Akuw: Oh, so does replaced-url
2040[17:27:37] <guysoft42> greycat, so its not reinstall, its building on top of the existing image. I am doing that to have the closest image as possible to what Rapi foundation is releasing.
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2042[17:27:58] <guysoft42> !crossgrade
2043[17:27:58] <dpkg> Converting an i386 installation into an amd64 installation in-place is quite difficult. It's much easier to reinstall the system with the new architecture -- ask me about <install debian>. If you've got good backups, plenty of time and are feeling lucky, you can try replaced-url
2044[17:28:08] <ksk> guysoft42: eh? then get a list of packages they install, and install a new debian system. then add these packages?
2055[17:32:57] <guysoft42> ksk, Also, I want the 32bit system. There are lots of bugs at the moment with the 64bit arch. Its experimental. What I am trying to get is a docker host which is aarch64. So it can host replaced-url
2070[17:43:44] * prompt32 Rpi community NEEDS someone build/host a firefox arm build. The only options is firefox-esr version b.c and the most private browser in universe : Chromium. Help ..., ;) Mozilla dont ....
2078[17:51:13] <petn-randall> guysoft42: While I have sympathy for your cause, neither Raspbian nor your custom OS based on it are Debian, so you might want to pitch it in #raspbian or #raspberrypi.
2080[17:51:41] <CpAj0> i have created a deb package for a .net core gui application with gtksharp and extracts the directory to /usr/share/app-name then create a ink to /usr/bin/app-exe but when i click in the menu launcher does not work but if i type in terminal app-exe works
2081[17:51:42] <prompt32> petn-randall, It dont ! I just say my complain... hahha
2082[17:51:44] <CpAj0> i'm doing something wrong?
2083[17:52:22] <petn-randall> prompt32: Ah, you might want to join a different channel then, like:
2084[17:52:24] <petn-randall> !chat
2085[17:52:24] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
2086[17:52:31] * prompt32 everything is debian to me ._
2087[17:52:49] <petn-randall> prompt32: I can assure you it isn't for us. :->
2088[17:53:19] <prompt32> petn-randall, i'm ok, dont worry. Just continue ...
2103[18:01:51] <damex> well, it turns out that debian just boot linux-image-arm64 kernel from on any of that 'supported' sbc that have dtb available and 'just works' i guess it couldn't be simpler but sadly there is no docs about install on such boards (every situation is 'unique'). i guess someone (rolling eyes) have to write it
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2188[18:40:53] <damex> c0rnelius: well, i pick such 'libre.computer' boards specifically because of raspberry pi formfactor. to stack them by using brass standoffs ... any idea if there is any other decent boards in similar rpi formfactor?
2201[18:49:47] <c0rnelius> damex - good question. off the top of my head Friendlyarm and Radxa both have a RK3399 board in that form factor.
2202[18:51:27] <c0rnelius> i don't own either board, but I do have a Nanopc-t4 from friendlyarm and it's a very solid build. If it wasn't for Rockchip not being my thing I would have prob looked into them.
2203[18:51:30] <joepublic> I have attached ssds to the olinuxinos mounted as / that makes them not so slow
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2207[18:55:14] <c0rnelius> damex - there is also hardkernel with the odroid-c2 (i thinks that is what it's called?) But I also can't speak for it because I don't own it. Pretty sure it's an amlogic SoC.
2250[19:09:05] <c0rnelius> damex - pretty sure the pi4 4G variant still has probs with the USB3 port. You need to limit the board to 3Gigs for the port to work properly.
2251[19:10:22] <damex> c0rnelius: oh, usb ports, video/audio output and other stuff that does not contribute to disk/memory/cpu performance won't have any use here though
2252[19:10:40] <damex> and ethernet performance :)
2253[19:10:46] <c0rnelius> gotcha. just letting you know.
2254[19:10:55] <ZaZaGX> i kind of want a raspberry pi 4 now
2255[19:11:20] <damex> c0rnelius: yeah, thanks, i heard raspberry pi 4 also break wireless when you enable 4k60 video output
2256[19:11:21] <ZaZaGX> but i see no point
2257[19:11:27] <c0rnelius> i've been waiting till the bugs get worked out.
2322[19:39:22] <greycat> deleting random directories and then wondering why things don't work is... uh...
2323[19:39:24] <jim> lovelytingy, the thing is, it's your machine... you can do whatever you want... and, if you want to keep the debian-ness of it, you shouldn't go deleting things from places that debian packaging thinks it owns
2324[19:40:01] * greycat wonders what OS that actually *is*
2325[19:40:07] <jim> and one of those places is /usr (anywhere except /usr/local)
2326[19:40:27] <greycat> if *any* of those places requires root to delete...
2327[19:41:42] <ZaZaGX> Ubuntu using sudo
2328[19:41:56] <jim> python 3.8 is in experimental, land of the packages that can't install or remove or something
2346[19:48:56] <jim> is it a package that's in debian now?
2347[19:49:11] <kreyren> 4.21 was affected but 5.0 (current) would also be sufficient
2348[19:49:17] <ksk> kreyren: compiling wine from upstream is not nearly as much pain as you would expect - I suggest you give it a try if not done recently..
2349[19:49:19] <greycat> apparently one of the wine* packages, but we don't know which one yet...
2350[19:49:23] <kreyren> the package should be in debian, but i'm using sources from upstream
2361[19:50:14] <kreyren> pita to perform, afaik apt-src should be able to do it?
2362[19:50:19] <greycat> NO
2363[19:50:23] <kreyren> why
2364[19:50:24] <greycat> NOT WITH NON-DEBIAN SOURCE ARCHIVES
2365[19:50:29] <OursBlanc> hi everyone . is it possible to avoid to type the password each time i wish to do something with synpatic or other soft... ?
2366[19:50:35] <kreyren> using debian source archive is also an option
2367[19:50:40] <ksk> kreyren: that would only work if debian did not do any changes to "whatever version of wine that patch was designed for"
2386[19:55:43] <greycat> /usr/local/ is like a community soup cauldron that everyone can dip into... /opt is closer to segregating each cook in their own kitchen
2399[19:58:43] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
2400[19:58:51] <ZaZaGX> lol
2401[19:58:52] <ZaZaGX> i knew it
2402[19:59:04] <greycat> It's true. You did guess correctly.
2434[20:05:16] <unborn> I know about script and scriptreplay but I would like to keep it in one-file.txt
2435[20:05:43] <lovelytingy> i mean to say can i install softwares like android studio,vscode,wine
2436[20:05:45] <greycat> script(1) is what you want. just skip the optional timing file.
2437[20:06:00] <jim> he's removed dirs in /usr, so at best he has now a frankenbuntu
2438[20:06:35] <robobox2> lovelytingy: yes, as long they as they have debian package files
2439[20:06:46] <bipul> lovelytingy, I feel like 90% of Linux distro today is being derived from Debian.
2440[20:06:51] <ZaZaGX> lovelytingy, download the debian iso and install debian on your machine
2441[20:07:30] <jim> lovelytingy, wine is packaged, the rest you can install from thier site (but remember, don't install outside software in places debian packaging thinks it owns)
2442[20:07:33] <unborn> greycat: sure.. I did use it for a while but when open log.txt file there are strange formatting thingy
2443[20:07:48] <greycat> that's part of what the program wrote to your terminal.
2444[20:07:50] <bipul> FreeBSD is also good :D
2445[20:08:34] *** Quits: lovelytingy (9d274c39@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
2446[20:08:35] <ZaZaGX> will bluetooth work for a bluetooth speaker on debian 10?
2450[20:09:05] <unborn> greycat: is there any way to clear it from that log file?
2451[20:09:30] <andyjpb> hey!
2452[20:09:36] <jim> lovelytingy, if you are interested, I'll give you an image to download, write to a usb stick and boot
2453[20:09:44] <andyjpb> how can I tell if the fix for replaced-url
2454[20:09:45] <greycat> Ideally you would invoke the application in such a way that it does NOT produce terminal control sequences in the first place. E.g. turning of --color in some commands.
2469[20:12:38] <ZaZaGX> i wasn't sure if lovetolearn was asking for that image. wasn't it lovelytingy?
2470[20:12:53] <jim> towo`, you may have the wrong nick
2471[20:13:34] <jim> ZaZaGX, technically, he hasn't asked for it yet
2472[20:13:39] <towo`> ZaZaGX, yes, you are right, haven't seen he was gone
2473[20:13:41] <robobox2> I use the firmware isos, and my weird hardware works fine.
2474[20:14:18] <OursBlanc> hi everyone . is it possible to avoid to type the password each time i wish to do something with synpatic or other soft... ?
2475[20:14:37] <robobox2> What DE do you use?
2476[20:14:52] *** Quits: dasher00 (dasher00@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
2493[20:20:31] <ZaZaGX> maybe g-lined from the whole freenode server
2494[20:22:30] <OursBlanc> robobox2, i use debian 10 with cinnamon desktop
2495[20:23:37] <OursBlanc> its very boring to each time type the password. (Its a long one) if my session is unlocked and hard drive decrypt : its ok ! its me :D dont worry computer :p
2496[20:23:51] <OursBlanc> i'll keep an eye on password manager
2497[20:24:42] *** Quits: Ericounet (~Eric@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
2529[20:38:57] <OursBlanc> When I minimize a window, it appears at the bottom of my screen in the bar. I'd like to group all the reduced "nemo" windows under a single tab; Same thing for all the windows of my terminal (I don't like UXTerm I installed konsole instead but whatever).
2572[21:03:01] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
2573[21:04:38] *** Quits: cinderblock (~cinderblo@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
2645[21:47:34] *** Quits: Iarfen (c8090341@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
2646[21:47:51] <ryouma> is chromium ok to use in stretch? i.e. it's about as secure as firefox-esr and it's about as supported (i.e. new versions show up and so on)
2647[21:48:13] <ryouma> also are there any good dark themes and dark content extensions for it?
2648[21:48:14] <greycat> stretch is still security-supported.
2657[21:54:03] <ksk> yap, until mid 2020 - and chromium was not in the list of packages exluded for LTS support last time I checked - so you should be fine.
2675[21:58:30] <Miles8of9> ahh there is no firefox 71 in esr...
2676[21:58:38] <greycat> !esr
2677[21:58:38] <dpkg> Eric S. Raymond, a very clever Linux d00d with lots of very interesting philosophical and political texts. a guy who has some ideas about guns and who can't figure out CUPS. The geezer who wrote Cathedral and Bazaar. Somebody whose sgeigerbot's computer thinks about when it boots: "ESR value before enabling vector: 00000000", or replaced-url
2678[21:58:41] <greycat> ...
2679[21:58:44] <greycat> !firefox esr
2680[21:58:44] <dpkg> Iceweasel Extended Support Release, see replaced-url
2681[21:58:59] *** Quits: Allainn (~Allainn@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
2682[21:59:28] <greycat> According to that calendar, esr 68 goes away in September 2020. That's when we will be forced to use 78.
2685[22:00:16] <ryouma> my firefox-esr on stretch is crashing before it starts (with a dialog box). i have tried a known-good .mozilla. i have tried -safe-mode. i have deleted .mozilla. i have run as a different user using xhost +. they all crash. i have reinstalled. any idea why this is possible?
2686[22:00:48] <ryouma> (still crashes after reinstallation)
2687[22:00:49] <greycat> missing video chipset firmware, or needs a different driver?
2691[22:01:13] <ryouma> it worked great yesterday than all of a sudden started crashing. same thing a few weeks prior.
2692[22:01:44] <Miles8of9> dialog box surely reports an error..!
2693[22:01:56] <ryouma> "Firefox had a problem and crashed. We’ll try to restore your tabs and windows when it restarts. To help us diagnose and fix the problem, you can send us a crash report."
2710[22:05:48] <greycat> 'cause yeah, just running down some random path is better than answering questions like "what does the error message say" or "I have xxx chipset" or "dmesg|grep -i firmware says zzz"
2717[22:06:33] <ryouma> error message says "Firefox had a problem and crashed. We’ll try to restore your tabs and windows when it restarts. To help us diagnose and fix the problem, you can send us a crash report."
2732[22:08:05] <rokshis> greycat, great. Could you also tell me, why, when I input this command, it does not do anything? And the terminal just stays hanging
2744[22:09:41] <shibboleth> first init for upstart, sharing searches with amazon, replacing ifupdown for "netplan" and now good bye to the debian installer
2745[22:09:44] <ryouma> it's intel video and audio. video works great. audio does not produce audio.
2746[22:10:00] <greycat> But yes, you could also add the -f option to ssh to make it fork a background child after it's done with the foreground authentication requirements.
2770[22:20:31] <ryouma> that was a good idea. chromium crashed. first chromium told me that /run/user/1000 was not accessible. and it did look like i needed to chown it to user:user. so why, idk. so i did and re-ran chromium. but then it crashed saying out of memory. but i have 4.4G "avail" according to free -ht. (most of memory is in buffers/cache.)
2771[22:21:28] <ryouma> i tried firefox-esr from terminal and it spits out lots of gtk garbage, BUT running from another user does not.
2772[22:21:36] <ryouma> (and crashes)
2773[22:21:40] <greycat> you will definitely want to figure out what's wrong with your /run
2778[22:23:21] <ryouma> it might be that the dribe was disconnected and /home was made ro. but that was not hte case the previous time firefox crashed a week or so ago.
2780[22:24:06] <ryouma> in a while i will try rebooting, in case there are similar evanescent fses that are broken (i assume run is evanescent, perhaps it is specifically not so, dunno)
2793[22:29:52] <ryouma> (Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on)
2794[22:30:08] <greycat> Hmm, that's ... not immediately the obvious cause of your out of memory error.
2795[22:30:36] <greycat> 22608 used is a bit higher than mine (2436) but I don't know what the normal amount is for a desktop environment
2796[22:31:23] <greycat> maybe other programs are using up all your memory (checking "free" would be good), or maybe you've somehow managed to set a resource limit (ulimit -a)
2797[22:31:36] <ryouma> i run fluxbox and no dm/de/whatever
2798[22:32:17] <ryouma> no ulimit directly at least. free says Mem: 5780108 709308 289836 141852 4780964 4631648 which is total used free shared buff/cache available
2799[22:32:17] *** Quits: kreyren (~kreyren@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
2800[22:32:40] <ryouma> which means, again, 4.6 available
2801[22:33:54] *** Quits: cryptrz (~cryptrz@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
2841[22:55:56] <karlpinc> If I give apt a regexp which matches everything for Unattended-Upgrade::Package-Blacklist (and configure unattended upgrades to email me) will unattended-upgrade not update anything automatically but email if something needs upgrading?
2842[22:56:18] <karlpinc> Seems like it should work, but the only way to test for sure is to have a package installed that needs upgrading.
2883[23:26:36] <Mazhive> can someone guide me to install a package i have installed multiple times but now it does install but is not available ??/ quite confusing hu,... it concerns vlc i am using buster. it installs the
2944[23:42:35] <Mazhive> i get a output but no gui , i had done some compiling on th source code of vlc i think there were some overwrites on the files that should not happen ... probably my error
2945[23:43:09] <melkor> Hi everybody. I'm having a weird issue. I attempted to install wine and my wifi stopped working. if I stop network-manager and do iwlist it shows no networks, but my other computer is connected. I've run through a bunch of stuff including re-installing the wl driver and I'm kind of at a loss of where to look next.
2946[23:43:19] <towo`> Mazhive, sure, it's your error
2947[23:43:43] <towo`> clueless compiling and installing by bypassing the package management is allways a stupid idea
2962[23:47:33] <Habbie> it sounds like there is not :
2963[23:47:33] <Mazhive> towo' i appreciate your help , i still have no gui
2964[23:47:35] <Habbie> :)
2965[23:47:39] <OerHeks> put one in and try the magic again.. or wait, it automounts?
2966[23:47:43] <melkor> oops, nm, just modprode -r wl and modprobed b43 and that seemed to fix it, maybe wine removed the correct driver for some reason.
2977[23:50:47] <B|ack0p> Ede|Popede: what is that? diskette package?
2978[23:50:56] <Ede|Popede> yep, the bigger ones
2979[23:50:59] <war9407> fail2ban question (using Debian's fail2ban) Anyone able to get a host ABOVE a matching regex? (the line above)? - I have the asme problem as this guy but can't get it to work -> replaced-url
2980[23:51:03] <B|ack0p> lol what do you use them for?
2982[23:51:25] <Ede|Popede> maybe i feel like using that old floppy again some day
2983[23:51:30] <towo`> Ede|Popede, i don't think, there is any usb floppy for 5.25" discs
2984[23:51:37] <Mazhive> i get output VLC media player 3.0.8 Vetinari (revision 3.0.8-0-gf350b6b5a7) and the next line my cursor is blinking waiting to type something :)
2985[23:51:53] <Ede|Popede> towo`: wouldn't surprise me if there was a mod for some 1541
3000[23:56:18] <ryouma> ok gonna reboot and stuff to try to fix firefox
3001[23:56:21] <Ede|Popede> atm my other system works a bit like in the old days. live system and installer both boot fine in BIOS and EFI mode, only i don't get it to see the installed buster. so at least a use some kind of boot disk again after all these years :)