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• 1[00:00:08] <kingsley> Let's see what happens if I ask it about myself.
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• 6[00:00:52] <jhutchins> The apt tools also have the ability to show info about packages, installed and not installed.
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• 8[00:01:29] <jhutchins> Berkeley is used as a semi-internal DB by many utility programs.
• 9[00:01:33] <kingsley> The IRC bot opened a new window in my client which says "wish i knew, kingsley".
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• 11[00:02:13] <TheFuzzyFish> I thought I saw a notification about something something Berkeley in my syslog, but I never looked into it
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• 13[00:02:26] <hatter__> I am not sure why libdb is on this box
• 14[00:02:38] <hatter__> what apps need it ?
• 15[00:02:56] <hatter__> well, maybe there are lots.
• 16[00:03:00] <hatter__> Does debian need it ?
• 17[00:03:12] <TheFuzzyFish> No clue
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• 19[00:03:54] <hatter__> how can I use apt to find out which apps depend on libdb ?
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• 25[00:04:50] <TheFuzzyFish> Maybe look into "apt depends"?
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• 28[00:06:02] <alexeyneud> may be even 'locate' use it
• 29[00:06:11] <hatter__> This is interesting : apt-cache rdepends --installed libdb4.5
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• 31[00:06:33] <hatter__> reverse depends
• 32[00:06:42] <TheFuzzyFish> Oh snazzy
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• 34[00:06:46] <TheFuzzyFish> Nice find
• 35[00:07:09] <hatter__> do it with python and you see that samba and nfs-common need python
• 36[00:07:30] <TheFuzzyFish> Lmao you say that like it's a bad thing
• 37[00:07:34] <TheFuzzyFish> Python is pretty lit
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• 39[00:07:51] <hatter__> haha, not at all, just a showing of reverse depends
• 40[00:08:05] <hatter__> I didn't realise samba used python
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• 42[00:08:20] <TheFuzzyFish> Me neither, I guess lol
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• 44[00:08:56] <TheFuzzyFish> I gotta get outta here
• 45[00:09:01] <TheFuzzyFish> Have a good rest of your night all
• 46[00:09:02] <dvs> nope
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• 48[00:09:11] <hatter__> it's daytime!
• 49[00:09:11] <TheFuzzyFish> oh
• 50[00:09:15] <TheFuzzyFish> okay xD
• 51[00:09:20] <TheFuzzyFish> It's like 5 PM where I'm at
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• 53[00:10:38] <B|ack0p> it is 2.10 am here
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• 57[00:12:02] <hatter__> It's a lovely Saturday morning 10:11am here in downtown burn the house down Australia
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• 59[00:13:07] <dvs> O_O
• 60[00:13:21] <ryouma> ?
• 61[00:13:26] <B|ack0p> hatter__: nice
• 62[00:13:37] <B|ack0p> i should be sleeping now..
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• 64[00:17:01] <B|ack0p> what was the command to be root on terminal?
• 65[00:17:04] <B|ack0p> sudo su- doesnt work
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• 67[00:17:56] <LtL> B|ack0p: su -
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• 69[00:18:19] <B|ack0p> ah thx LtL
• 70[00:18:35] <LtL> welcome
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• 93[00:28:00] <B|ack0p> i am trying to install TLP for battery management for my old thinkpad and it says :
• 94[00:28:03] <B|ack0p> * Install tp-smapi kernel modules for ThinkPad battery thresholds and recalibration
• 95[00:28:14] <B|ack0p> how can i install tp-smapi kernel modules ?
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• 98[00:28:44] <B|ack0p> tp-smapi-dkms (main) – optional – external kernel module providing battery charge thresholds, recalibration and specific status output in tlp-stat for older ThinkPads
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• 105[00:30:30] <B|ack0p> just apt install tp-smapi-dkms ?
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• 112[00:38:03] <B|ack0p> i see some errors on dmesg : replaced-url
• 113[00:38:08] <B|ack0p> about ACPI
• 114[00:38:13] <B|ack0p> how can i fix them?
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• 122[00:41:38] <PETURBG> hi
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• 124[00:41:47] <PETURBG> urgent help is need
• 125[00:41:58] <PETURBG> fail2ban is not working.
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• 127[00:42:32] <joepublic> Sorry, urgent help is not provided here. Please call your country's emergency services number. Thank you.
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• 131[00:43:04] <PETURBG> someone live
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• 137[00:44:31] <syd> &quit
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• 145[00:53:22] <hatter__> I just noticed tcpwrappers not working for ssh
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• 147[00:53:38] <petn-randall> PETURBG: I recommend you ask your first if you need urgent help.
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• 149[00:53:46] <petn-randall> PETURBG: I recommend you ask your question first if you need urgent help.
• 150[00:54:03] <petn-randall> !doesnt work
• 151[00:54:03] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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• 155[00:57:28] <PETURBG> petn-randall second question somoene know android developers...
• 156[00:57:49] <PETURBG> im looking for hackers for freinds.
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• 159[00:58:46] <joepublic> Sorry, l33t h4x0r help is not provided here. Please develop your own powers, then use them for good. Thank you.
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• 161[00:59:25] <petn-randall> PETURBG: You failed to ask your first question.
• 162[01:00:05] <joepublic> for the second question: YES almost every android developer knows at least one other person, and the reverse is likewise true.
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• 164[01:01:18] <PETURBG> :)
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• 169[01:03:28] <joepublic> Please do not private message me questions, especially those looking for "Some hacker". Thank you.
• 170[01:04:18] <B|ack0p> lol
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• 173[01:04:54] <hatter__> lol
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• 175[01:05:40] <outtabwz> how can i install icewm on buster? nothing mentioned here: replaced-url
• 176[01:05:49] <PETURBG> joeunpublic why
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• 178[01:06:19] <joepublic> interactions that do not take place within the channel do not benefit others with their content.
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• 180[01:06:53] <PETURBG> i want ave hackers friends.
• 181[01:07:06] <joepublic> yes, you mentioned that, thank you.
• 182[01:07:08] <PETURBG> debian is not working too.
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• 185[01:07:29] <PETURBG> fail2ban is not working... i put 1 try and ban and it didn;t work.
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• 187[01:08:05] <PETURBG> i wnt to learn from hackers.
• 188[01:08:15] <PETURBG> internet is full with lie.
• 189[01:08:47] <PETURBG> i dont havee work and i wnat to install shop that look like: pccomententes
• 190[01:09:20] <B|ack0p> what kind of a shop?
• 191[01:09:21] <B|ack0p> :p
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• 193[01:09:32] <PETURBG> prestashop
• 194[01:09:53] <PETURBG> i have it run but i has errors.
• 195[01:10:16] <PETURBG> i want repair them but dont know how.
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• 197[01:10:26] <B|ack0p> me too
• 198[01:10:31] <hatter__> me too
• 199[01:10:54] <PETURBG> i find nulled things i dont have money and they work but i dont have vertical menu
• 200[01:11:28] <PETURBG> i want vertical menu like this: replaced-url
• 201[01:12:26] <joepublic> en tu sitio web? on your website??
• 202[01:12:31] <PETURBG> i want compile latest lineage here is my github: replaced-url
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• 204[01:12:48] <PETURBG> joepublic on my friend server.
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• 208[01:13:18] <joepublic> Okay. This is not the channel to ask about web design or hacking rings.
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• 210[01:13:49] <PETURBG> i cant paste his server becouse he use nulled and maube can hack his nulled things. Some hackers please be my friend. thank
• 211[01:14:16] <PETURBG> i can solder things...
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• 213[01:15:08] <joepublic> this hacking in the sense of cracking is in fact specifically offtopic.
• 214[01:16:05] <PETURBG> who say hacking... i just say i want be friend hackers.
• 215[01:16:21] <PETURBG> learn from they. is it prohibited learn from masters.
• 216[01:16:39] <PETURBG> i find mych bugs in debian... and can't know how to solve it.
• 217[01:16:49] <joepublic> being a poor listener with a big mouth is also frowned upon, as I understand it.
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• 219[01:17:31] <PETURBG> joepublic i will accept is like compliment as maybe your mouth is big...
• 220[01:17:32] <PETURBG> :)
• 221[01:18:21] <joepublic> it is indeed, sir.
• 222[01:18:34] <PETURBG> im here for friend hackers too after that repair things... make lineage 16 work on my mother zte blade a610.
• 223[01:18:54] <PETURBG> hackers too was noobs...
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• 240[01:34:28] <KNERD> If there a guide for building Debian? I am not finding anything online
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• 245[01:36:19] <hatter__> knerd, what do you mean ?
• 246[01:36:23] <hans_> why is phpmyadmin in oldstable and testing but not stable?
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• 248[01:37:09] <hans_> (its also in oldoldstable and unstable)
• 249[01:37:14] <KNERD> hatter__: I mean I want to build Debian myself
• 250[01:37:29] <KNERD> for learning and experimenting
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• 252[01:39:59] <PETURBG> KNERD i have web site nbut here in debian will now help you.
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• 254[01:40:46] <KNERD> PETURBG: Not sure what you mean? You got a web site up showing how to do that?
• 255[01:41:27] <PETURBG> KNERD you can build distro you want. my friend have web server. here in debian they will not help you... I find web site that comment they make it:
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• 258[01:42:02] <led_belly> KNERD: perhaps you might want to look at gentoo if you want ot build your distro from scratch
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• 260[01:42:43] <PETURBG> led_belly he want debian beojuce it is pure and no spyware distro.
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• 262[01:42:55] <KNERD> led_belly: IWhy Gentoo?
• 263[01:43:07] <led_belly> gentoo is designed for that purpose
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• 265[01:43:23] <led_belly> replaced-url
• 266[01:43:55] <PETURBG> KNERD becouse she use gentoo
• 267[01:43:56] <led_belly> it's a lot of work to build from scratch
• 268[01:44:00] <lupine> ain't nobody got time for that
• 269[01:44:04] <KNERD> yeah, but I would rather build Debian
• 270[01:44:29] <KNERD> yes it is a lot of time. , I am well arew of that
• 271[01:44:39] <lupine> dpkg-buildpackage on each dsc you want, then turn it into a package repository, then debootstrap from it
• 272[01:44:56] <lupine> there might, or might not, be helpers for this
• 273[01:45:04] <PETURBG> someone know how denounce wiki.debian as they power women femenism: replaced-url
• 274[01:45:05] <PETURBG> Build it Event levado a cabo por Margarita Manterola (en colaboración con el OpenHatch ... IT ORIGINRAT from here:
• 275[01:45:05] <PETURBG> replaced-url
• 276[01:45:06] <led_belly> all distro's are is a set of maintained packages, infrastructure and some branding
• 277[01:45:13] <lupine> still, it's entirely plausible
• 278[01:45:15] <led_belly> and the linux kernel
• 279[01:45:18] <KNERD> yeah, but you still have to make an envornment on the host system, You just don't build and be done with it
• 280[01:45:40] <lupine> each package specifies its build dependencies
• 281[01:45:45] <PETURBG> KNERD i build linux and it didn't work becouse book want good to explaint how to make run it.
• 282[01:45:49] <lupine> self-hosting is, of course, a regular problem
• 283[01:46:06] <led_belly> so 'building debain' is kind of a misnomer
• 284[01:46:29] <PETURBG> KNRED i too complaint in author that they explaint it veru good for compile but for boot was very bad...
• 285[01:46:48] <KNERD> not really. I want to take all the source packages, build debian up and then make an ISO
• 286[01:47:54] <PETURBG> KNERD belive me. i want this too. but 1. here they comment PETURBG00:08:04i wnt to learn from hackers.internet is full with lie.i dont havee work and i wnat to install shop that look like: pccomententes and they didn't want help. So 2. if you wan to make it work. do it yourself.
• 287[01:47:55] <KNERD> I have already done Linux From Scratch, but they build it with their own views and biases. I want to build the Debian way now
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• 290[01:48:50] <PETURBG> KNERD in 21 century seek for help is prohibited. as only hackers can know how to be done. and hackers and prohibited to do it. so
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• 292[01:49:11] <PETURBG> KNERD and how was linux from scratch...
• 293[01:49:44] <hatter__> somebody kick this bot ?
• 294[01:50:10] <coruja> KNERD, then get the source code and a compiler and let the fun start (though that is quite missing debian's purpose)
• 295[01:50:24] <PETURBG> coruja he dont know compile...
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• 297[01:50:59] <PETURBG> coruja if error sart he dont know to fix it. so we use manuals that peoples do it.
• 298[01:52:12] <PETURBG> KNERyou still here i just find how to build debian D
• 299[01:52:15] <KNERD> Yeahm, as I mentioned, You just don't grab the source code and start compiling. You have to set up a correct enviornment on a host system then build an tools enivirnment, then compile some basic packages , then move into a protected chroot envoriment .
• 300[01:52:55] <led_belly> oh, i see -- like an auto-installation?
• 301[01:53:09] <PETURBG> KNERD they don't understand youj like me.
• 302[01:53:12] <KNERD> no, a build from scratch
• 303[01:53:20] <led_belly> so compiling from source?
• 304[01:53:33] <KNERD> yes, the whole thing
• 305[01:53:38] <PETURBG> KNERD look in private... this is from 5 yra old
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• 309[01:58:44] <KNERD> lupine: It seems you are sort of correct about using dpkg-buildpackage . I was sent a link on setting up an environment based on Linux From Scratch, then using dpkg to start building Debian from there
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• 313[01:59:11] <lupine> yeah. you need to start hosting *somewhere*
• 314[01:59:17] <lupine> typically, debian is built on a debian machine
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• 318[01:59:55] <lupine> if you don't want to start from there, you've got to solve it yourself
• 319[02:00:09] <KNERD> well, that was not my issue. I have plenty of maches to do that. It is the enviornment I was worried about, and doing things in the correct order
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• 322[02:01:07] <PETURBG> KNED there is bad internet is evolved in lies. No more true how it can be done.
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• 324[02:01:48] <led_belly> KNERD: understood
• 325[02:02:01] <PETURBG> i compiled some issue i have in debian on git...
• 326[02:02:28] <PETURBG> there was issues that are from 2000 maybe year and today 2019 they are not fixed...
• 327[02:02:56] <PETURBG> this is 19 yeras without fixes.
• 328[02:03:07] <PETURBG> include kernel.
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• 330[02:03:29] <KNERD> The kernel comes from Linus, not Debian
• 331[02:04:29] <PETURBG> KNERD that i say all isues are from linux, debian, ubuntu and etc.
• 332[02:04:39] <PETURBG> they are kernel too.
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• 334[02:05:48] <PETURBG> other day i see person who help wibdiws 10 privacy and now microsoft hsa deleted his github account. so how i say in 21 century no more how to make it only lies.
• 335[02:06:36] <KNERD> well, it is an FOSS prohect. Not a lot urgency to fix everything as people are doing things on their free time
• 336[02:07:52] <PETURBG> KNERD i have something under my keyaborda... what linux need to be. insecure operation system or secure operation system.
• 337[02:09:02] <PETURBG> KNERD... do you think it is normal to have 19 years kernel bug... that thing your hard disk is broken when your hard disk is not broken... this just happend when i dont remember what kernel version upgrade is udpate... return to old kernel image work.
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• 339[02:09:53] <PETURBG> include this 19 yeras old bug can broke your hard disk... as i change yur operation system on RO not in
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• 342[02:10:54] <PETURBG> and you start hear... brick brick brick how your hard disk line start scratch ytour hard disk plates...
• 343[02:11:25] <PETURBG> when i return old kernel it work... include bardsecgtor... didn;t found nothing.
• 344[02:12:40] <KNERD> well, platters are nearly a thing of the past
• 345[02:13:07] <PETURBG> KNERD do you have some contact when you finish debian build... if it owrk... as you know installing root is not recommended.
• 346[02:13:14] <PETURBG> KNERD sata disk too use plates :)
• 347[02:13:43] <PETURBG> KNERD what you are gonna buy ssd that work for 1 year or sata hard disk 7200 rpm that work for 5 years.
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• 349[02:14:10] <PETURBG> ssd has been dropped when work multiply times... but they short work it not 5 years...
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• 351[02:14:34] <PETURBG> i have hard disk that has 5 years... and it still work... i dont hav work
• 352[02:14:48] <KNERD> SATA is a type of serial interface , not a hard drive
• 353[02:15:01] <PETURBG> sata is hard disk...
• 354[02:15:10] <PETURBG> sata hard disk 3.5....
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• 357[02:15:53] <PETURBG> like westrern digital sata 3.5
• 358[02:16:33] <KNERD> No, it's a type of interface for a hard drive, not a hard drive itself. Even some SSD have SATA interface
• 359[02:16:55] <PETURBG> KNERD ssd dont use plate...
• 360[02:17:26] <PETURBG> KNERD they use sata cables... becouse much makers of motherboard need to change thjey build...
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• 364[02:19:17] <PETURBG> KNERD are you gonna build debian
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• 366[02:19:26] <KNERD> Even SATA is starting to be retired.
• 367[02:19:36] <PETURBG> KNERD change for nvme
• 368[02:19:44] <KNERD> Yes I am going to try to build Debian based on the information I see
• 369[02:20:34] <PETURBG> KNERD i never has nvme... they comment it is more fast than sata... like LIE... that can reach 6 gbps... and when i start copy it only reach for 10 sec. or less 210 MB./s
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• 371[02:20:59] <PETURBG> where are 6GB/s. and when are 210 MB/s.
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• 373[02:21:15] <PETURBG> and i have sata 3 level cables...
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• 376[02:21:56] <petn-randall> PETURBG: Do you have a Debian support question?
• 377[02:22:03] <PETURBG> KNERD do ytou have some contact... or github...
• 378[02:22:24] <PETURBG> i want hear how was debian build...
• 379[02:23:09] <KNERD> if that gude works out, I will report back on it here
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• 381[02:24:01] <PETURBG> KNERD debian chat don't want PETURBG be here... so when you return maybe they wll ban.
• 382[02:24:46] <PETURBG> KNERD i will backup this gold website... and if debian work maybe we can make it 100 % working for other peoples.
• 383[02:25:07] <petn-randall> PETURBG: As long as you stay on-topic you won't be banned here. But looking in the backlog I see you have difficulties with that.
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• 387[02:26:42] <PETURBG> strange is someone tryu contact.... beccouse i dont see anyuthing... maybe becouse when someone seek for help in 21 century nobody want help him.
• 388[02:26:52] <PETURBG> and they change word for help with on-topic...
• 389[02:28:07] <KNERD> well, not everyone is highly knowlegeable on building up an OS, but may know a lot on the individual working parts
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• 392[02:29:18] <PETURBG> KNERD belive me. they know, but they don't want to help. FIrst becouse they want money for help and second. Here has hackers but they don't want to be friends and third... it is for toher day.
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• 396[02:30:39] <PETURBG> i was with womens... and when they see men smile they comment " This shit what smile " What they mean 21 century women don't want men be happy. it is like knowledge. everybody want help when you have money.
• 397[02:33:17] <PETURBG> other day my friend ask for nulled help... and they ban him. i write them who is gonna protect peoples from peoples ause from power. and how they will feel when this happend to them. Im glad there are admins and other admins that can stop this other admins. AS buse of power is very bad.
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• 400[02:35:01] <PETURBG> and there is bugs in nemo... on latest debian...
• 401[02:36:43] <sponix> drugs are bad
• 402[02:37:02] <joepublic> ^^ This
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• 404[02:37:32] <ryouma> oh, i missed that possibility
• 405[02:39:13] <PETURBG> my conclusion with compile is that: If yo uare not developers dont do it. becouse in 21 century source code in insecure every new version will bring erros and if you asre developer will can't fix them. SO this mean 20 hours you will not find solution for some basic " missing + on line 1 that before ws in line 2 " if tyou are not developer you will
• 406[02:39:14] <PETURBG> not find them. WHen i start compile linux from scratch... it was wonderfull untill book was missing how to make it boot i make it boot but with kernel panic... SO i maybe has 2 days 12 hours on day to compile it... becouse compiling is not for 10 min. and compiled i 1 gb. pfuuu get much times maue some 4 hours... what this is mean is that compiling
• 407[02:39:15] <PETURBG> 1 gb. and it et error... tjh mean lost time.
• 408[02:39:19] <KNERD> Software will always have bugs. Look at the Boeing 737 MAX
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• 410[02:39:55] <PETURBG> KNERD boeing 737 is not software... it is plane... Don't make diff erence with humans and programs.
• 411[02:40:19] <godsmacked> the plane has extensive software
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• 413[02:40:48] <godsmacked> autopilot?
• 414[02:40:54] <godsmacked> it's software
• 415[02:41:03] <godsmacked> the teach that first year college
• 416[02:41:05] <joepublic> software that tends to point the plane towards the ground at inconvenient times
• 417[02:41:23] <PETURBG> KNERD boeing 737 want poeples don't be live... so they need other new peoples to be slavery. IN washingtosh tere is stone that comment " glbal population need to be recudec in 30 % " so this mean...
• 418[02:41:37] <KNERD> the entire glass cockpit is controlled by software
• 419[02:41:55] <PETURBG> KNERD 737 is plane... and it is programmed to be bugs.
• 420[02:42:34] <ryouma> not in boeing's interest
• 421[02:42:42] <ryouma> let's take tihs to debian chat shall we?
• 422[02:42:46] <PETURBG> someone want some true leader dissapear... so travel with boing 737 is example.
• 423[02:42:55] <ryouma> #debian-offtopic*
• 424[02:43:29] <PETURBG> if someone don't like his live... go in iraq...
• 425[02:43:54] <godsmacked> where are you from peterbg?
• 426[02:44:23] <PETURBG> someone know how to make sslh work witrh apache2
• 427[02:44:37] <godsmacked> the apache is full of software
• 428[02:44:43] <godsmacked> extensible
• 429[02:44:59] <godsmacked> so is the f16
• 430[02:45:02] <godsmacked> that's boeing
• 431[02:45:04] <PETURBG> godsmacked... but it is insecure...
• 432[02:45:18] <PETURBG> nginx is much more reliable...
• 433[02:45:31] <KNERD> replaced-url
• 434[02:45:34] <godsmacked> are you talking about the webserver or the helicopter?
• 435[02:46:19] <PETURBG> KNERD that for the wbe... but i need it for xmpp... case is extremly difficult... i need expert in linux.
• 436[02:46:19] <godsmacked> or are you confused?
• 437[02:46:36] <godsmacked> you need english lessons
• 438[02:46:43] <PETURBG> godsmacked what wonderfull firend ytou are... all time i speak for debian.
• 439[02:46:51] <godsmacked> how nice
• 440[02:46:51] <PETURBG> godsmacked you speak for boeing 737...
• 441[02:46:58] <godsmacked> I speak for america
• 442[02:47:07] <PETURBG> godsmacked what is america... i coffeee.
• 443[02:47:11] <godsmacked> shit happens. you might get stuck on a 737 one day
• 444[02:47:17] <godsmacked> you coffee?
• 445[02:47:28] <PETURBG> godsmacked or maybe not... for poor peoples 737 is not allowed....
• 446[02:47:37] <PETURBG> godsmacked coffee you ?
• 447[02:47:43] <godsmacked> coffe me?
• 448[02:47:53] <godsmacked> I don't drink coffee
• 449[02:47:54] <PETURBG> godsmacked you coffee?
• 450[02:48:14] <godsmacked> maybe some tea later
• 451[02:48:29] <godsmacked> no sugar please
• 452[02:48:46] <godsmacked> lipton
• 453[02:48:51] <PETURBG> strange admins complaint peoples are off-topic from debian...
• 454[02:49:16] <PETURBG> suger is not related to debian coffee too...
• 455[02:49:25] <godsmacked> you brought it up
• 456[02:49:27] <PETURBG> and they want to ban me... for speak for debian...
• 457[02:49:43] <PETURBG> and other peoples speak for cofee sugar... lipton.
• 458[02:50:10] <godsmacked> ntb
• 459[02:50:29] <PETURBG> esm
• 460[02:50:59] <PETURBG> sslh i need configure xmppwbserver and show real ip on apache2...
• 461[02:52:17] <PETURBG> i make it work but it comment 12. so i need original ip be show... moparisbest has comment how to be done... but she don't know how to make it show real ip.
• 462[02:52:48] <PETURBG> someone comment install proxy... but why.. when it is on the same compuer...
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• 465[02:54:34] <PETURBG> include i change multiply e-mails with github developer and he comment LIE " so i tell hinm other peoples will complaint too. and this is proof : replaced-url
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• 468[02:56:00] <PETURBG> someone comment iptables... but why someone need to change iptables... when it has to work directly sslh xmpp apache and show ip.
• 469[02:56:22] <petn-randall> PETURBG: You've been told to stay ontopic several times now. If you want to chat in general there are plenty of other options here. Please respect those rules in this channel.
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• 471[02:57:03] <petn-randall> Joey: Same goes for you.
• 472[02:57:35] <petn-randall> !chat
• 473[02:57:35] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
• 474[02:58:07] <PETURBG> petn-randall Same goes for you. !chat
• 475[02:58:12] <PETURBG> !chat
• 476[02:58:12] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
• 477[02:58:18] <ryouma> in stretch, i mistakenly ran fsck with 2 args and it said the filesystem was modified. what exactly did it do here? the man page does not allow for a second arg. fsck -kpcc /home /dev/mapper/hita-hl
• 478[02:58:30] <petn-randall> PETURBG: You're not helping with your case.
• 479[02:58:40] * ryouma goes over to ##linux as probably nobody is reading
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• 481[02:58:52] <PETURBG> ryonma... did you run on working hard disk... they comment run it on disconnect
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• 483[03:00:49] <petn-randall> ryouma: I'm guessing /home is a mount point? Was /dev/mapper/hita-hl mounted?
• 484[03:00:53] <KNERD> ryouma: /var/log/fsck/ ?
• 485[03:01:25] <petn-randall> KNERD: On which system would that exist?
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• 488[03:01:58] <KNERD> petn-randall: Denian
• 489[03:01:59] <hatter__> I have just been upgrading a few boxes, how would I know if I was half way into one ? ie i did an apt-get upgrade after changing the sources but haven't yet done apt-get dist-upgrade ?
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• 491[03:02:10] <petn-randall> KNERD: Not on a default system.
• 492[03:02:32] <ryouma> petn-randall: ah an answerer! thank you! /home is a bind mount and is mounted and being used. /dev/mapper/hita-hl is not mounted and is not being used.
• 493[03:03:11] <KNERD> petn-randall: I am looking at a Debian 9 server I got up and runnung right now I happened to be logged into. There are two files in /var/log/fsck/
• 494[03:03:21] <PETURBG> petn-randall ? you are admin of debian and you don't know /var/log/ exist on debian...
• 495[03:03:27] <KNERD> checkfs & checkroot
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• 498[03:04:08] <PETURBG> petn-randall who put you for admin... as /var/log/ exist for debian ubuntu...
• 499[03:04:21] <ryouma> KNERD: that directory contains files that have mtime in 2015
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• 501[03:05:33] <KNERD> -rw-r----- 1 root adm 31 Apr 19 2018 checkfs
• 502[03:05:35] <KNERD> -rw-r----- 1 root adm 31 Apr 19 2018 checkroot
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• 504[03:06:18] <PETURBG> ryoma try from live cd... and run command again...
• 505[03:07:01] <PETURBG> debian comment when fs3c... is run it need to be unmounted... to not damage it...
• 506[03:07:49] <ryouma> petn-randall: KNERD the output: replaced-url
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• 508[03:08:36] <PETURBG> ryoma what df -h comment.
• 509[03:08:39] <ryouma> they are both ext4 filesystems (/home and the unmounted mapped one)
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• 512[03:09:35] <PETURBG> ryoma thay are ext4 and why they use ext2 fsck.ext2
• 513[03:09:37] <ryouma> i guess i am wondering if i should try mkfs again on the mapped one, just to be sure the fs will be ok, and then copy over to it again. they both are to contain the same data.
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• 517[03:11:34] <KNERD> i would upgrade to SSD
• 518[03:12:12] <ryouma> not an option
• 519[03:12:21] <PETURBG> join #linux
• 520[03:12:48] <ryouma> i am just wanting to check the disk to make sure it is ok before making it my temporary home. i don't want to keep using an external bind-mounted partition.
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• 522[03:13:11] <ryouma> i ahve heard, however, that badblocks is no longer a needed technologyl. is that true? supposedly smart obsoleted it?
• 523[03:14:02] <PETURBG> ryouma if this is ext4 why it use ext2...
• 524[03:15:24] <PETURBG> mount in hiome then run ext4.
• 525[03:15:32] <KNERD> for SSD that is true, or you can use that other parition type which is not supported by the Linux kernel. Owned by I think Orcale
• 526[03:16:36] <PETURBG> KNERD what name is other partiuton type
• 527[03:17:34] <KNERD> I have to think about it a moment. People been using it more recently because it is not subject to corruption like ex2-4 is from power failues
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• 529[03:18:08] <PETURBG> KNERD is sound wonderfull...
• 530[03:18:22] <PETURBG> in ubuntu i hear zfs...
• 531[03:18:23] <KNERD> ZFS ?
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• 533[03:18:53] <PETURBG> it was experimental type... download ubuntu and try it... when install it will tell zfs... maybe that was the name
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• 536[03:19:26] <PETURBG> replaced-url
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• 539[03:20:55] <KNERD> Not sure why Debian has not made that an option as ZFS is now open source
• 540[03:21:29] <KNERD> OpeZFS that is
• 541[03:22:04] <PETURBG> KNED... debian... jajaja you kidding... after 2 years debian will do it...
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• 543[03:22:36] <PETURBG> KNERD... whne i start using debian i start complaint in debian emails... why debian is obsolete... and they stat renew it... peoples need to start complaint.
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• 545[03:23:56] <KNERD> Well, that is what is good about open source. If you don't like something, you can always change it
• 546[03:24:45] <PETURBG> KNERD and hidden words are " If you know how to change it change it. ONly developers can change it. if you are not developer middle finger like baby " and wait... maybe 10 yeras...
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• 548[03:25:20] <KNERD> Then you can always #LearnToCode
• 549[03:26:18] <PETURBG> KNERD ad develiper who has 5 years experience can't developer... so learchtocode is not guaranteed.
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• 569[03:44:12] <petn-randall> KNERD: but zfs is packaged for Debian ...
• 570[03:45:02] <petn-randall> PETURBG: If you'd pay close attention you'd understand that we were talking about /var/log/fsck/, which does not exist in Debian on a default system.
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• 572[03:45:37] <ixz> ive seen that fsck on my debian systems many times i am pretty sure
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• 574[03:46:19] <petn-randall> You mean /usr/sbin/fsck?
• 575[03:46:29] <ixz> the var/log dir
• 576[03:46:51] <petn-randall> ixz: But we're talking about /var/log/fsck/ ...
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• 578[03:48:03] <KNERD> petn-randall: I was looking at Wikipedia, and it syas only Ubuntu is using it. But then again, WIkpedia is not very dependable information
• 579[03:48:09] <ryouma> i'm not sure if anybody is addresing my question or not
• 580[03:48:34] <ixz> mount the data and see ?
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• 582[03:49:48] <KNERD> petn-randall: Well, petn-randall: did confirm the existence of that directory as he pasted the fsck log in pastebin
• 583[03:50:07] <petn-randall> KNERD: You can look up packages on replaced-url
• 584[03:50:34] <KNERD> I also have it in my dafault Debian 9 install which also has it, but nothing has been recorded in the log
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• 587[03:51:09] <petn-randall> ryouma: smart does not detect all types of errors, such as write errors.
• 588[03:51:13] <KNERD> petn-randall: okay , thanks. This is first I heard about it. Debian 10?
• 589[03:51:37] <petn-randall> KNERD: Ever since stretch, so 9.
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• 591[03:52:22] <ryouma> i guess i will mkfs the partition again just in case it was corrupted. i am running the fsck comand on the mapped drive correctly this time. maybe i will let it run for a while to make sure the hw is ok.
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• 596[03:54:07] <petn-randall> ryouma: Do you have data on it that you need?
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• 599[03:54:28] <ryouma> it is a copy of /home)
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• 601[03:55:06] <ryouma> so no, unless fsck screwed up home. i did an rsync to see if there was any difference at the user-visible leve, and there was nothing unusual.
• 602[03:55:25] <ryouma> (dry run rsync)
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• 609[03:58:10] <petn-randall> ryouma: rsync by default skips files if the metadata is the same, so it wouldn't notice any silent corruption of the actual data.
• 610[03:58:36] <petn-randall> ryouma: But going by your fsck, it doesn't seem like anything broke. Is there a reason you ran fsck on it?
• 611[03:58:44] <ryouma> that's true
• 612[03:59:08] <ryouma> petn-randall: i ran fsck only as a means to run badblocks, and inform the fs if ther are any.
• 613[03:59:41] <ryouma> the drive has "196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 5" and "5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 005 Pre-fail Always - 5"
• 614[03:59:48] <ryouma> which dunno if that is ok or not
• 615[04:01:41] <petn-randall> ryouma: 5 reallocated sectors is ok. It's pending sectors you need to be worried about.
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• 619[04:04:00] <ryouma> ok. home is on a drive that smartctl does not seem to understand (a seagate portable), so i'll take ok over unknown when it comes to deciding which to make my home. but idk if i did something to the fs when runnign that command, so i will consider running mkfs again and copying over again.
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• 629[04:11:43] <ryouma> if i had enough partitions i'd try fsck.ext4 on more than one at once to see if the man page is just wrong and it does each one in series or something
• 630[04:14:10] <petn-randall> ryouma: A quick test confirms that it in fact just runs each in turn.
• 631[04:15:07] <petn-randall> ryouma: actually, fsck(8) even says so.
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• 634[04:16:48] <ryouma> ah thanks for checking. oh? i missed that. the synopsis section and the fsck.ext4 man pages don't seem to suggest it.
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• 636[04:17:21] <ryouma> so basically the question is what it does when interrupted. if it just added one bad block or something, that's presumably not a problem.
• 637[04:17:36] <petn-randall> ryouma: Yeah, fsck and fsck.ext4 are different tools. "fsck" is the meta tool (if you'd like to call it so) that accepts several filesystems as options and checks them in parallel.
• 638[04:18:15] <petn-randall> ryouma: a bad block is actual physical damage, fsck couldn't have caused that.
• 639[04:18:23] <ryouma> ok, so maybe it skipped /home and then did somethign innocuous when i interrupted it workingo n the mapped drive.
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• 641[04:18:44] <ryouma> i'm wondering if it corrupted the fs or added an ok block to the bad blocks list or something.
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• 643[04:19:21] <ryouma> your point about rsync skipping files that pass its minimal checks is a good one. hmm.
• 644[04:19:42] <petn-randall> ryouma: There's a flag to force checksumming everything.
• 645[04:20:25] <ixz> i can make a check compare script .. ?
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• 647[04:21:24] <ryouma> it might be faster to transfer all files in this case, as home is slow and the mapped drive is presumably a normal sata
• 648[04:22:29] <ixz> go ahead then
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• 654[04:28:43] <petn-randall> ryouma: It will probably be just as slow. I'm guessing rsync might be a bit faster since the FS only has to read meta-data and not write new data.
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• 661[04:34:12] <ryouma> i don't get why it found a bad block though. smart did not change.
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• 665[04:39:37] <petn-randall> ryouma: There are scenarios where this is possible.
• 666[04:39:54] <petn-randall> badblock writes data fine, badblock reads data fine, but data doesn't match.
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• 668[04:40:51] <ryouma> so the disk doesn't realize it is broken
• 669[04:41:07] <petn-randall> Yeah. SMART is not bulletproof.
• 670[04:41:45] <petn-randall> It only detects when the firmware reports back errors.
• 671[04:42:19] <ryouma> ok, i/m just going to keep running this fsck -kpcc, whether or not i use --checksum or blow away the fs and recopy (it is soundling like fsck understood the interrupt and there is no need to blow the fs away thogh)
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• 673[04:43:15] <hatter__> I do non destructive read/write test to a drive if I suspect it is failing, : hdparm -tT /dev/sda
• 674[04:43:38] <hatter__> sometimes failing disks aren't noticed by smart at all
• 675[04:43:45] <ixz> -t -T is benchmarking
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• 677[04:44:06] <hatter__> yes, so it gives a buffered disk read output
• 678[04:44:15] <hatter__> when a disk is failing this is quite low
• 679[04:44:17] <ixz> of not-much-of-the-disk
• 680[04:44:30] <hatter__> all of mine are in raid 1, so there is a comparison speed between 2 disks
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• 682[04:44:49] <hatter__> ixz, perhaps, but it has shown failing disks when suspect
• 683[04:45:05] <hatter__> not a be all and end all, just another tool
• 684[04:45:11] <ixz> kk, i for myself would just cat the device and see if i/o errors appear
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• 686[04:45:19] <hatter__> along with smart to check for lots of reallocated sectors
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• 688[04:46:10] <hatter__> ixz, what command do you use to cat the device ?
• 689[04:46:30] <ixz> cat /dev/ice >/dev/null || : error_appeared
• 690[04:48:26] <hatter__> ixz, cool, another thing to do
• 691[04:48:32] <ixz> ehe =))
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• 694[04:49:10] <hatter__> something I have never gotten around to doing is outputting read errors to a log instead of console
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• 696[04:49:27] <hatter__> I have seen drive errors show up on the console, but not in logs
• 697[04:49:35] <ixz> well you 2>log_file then
• 698[04:50:05] <ixz> cat /dev/ice >/dev/null 2>/var/log/cat_ice_log
• 699[04:50:34] <ixz> it will abort probably at first error so u wont get a big list
• 700[04:50:49] <hatter__> cheers, I will check it out
• 701[04:50:54] <ixz> peace
• 702[04:51:17] <hatter__> :)
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• 710[05:07:42] <Guest62> high guest
• 711[05:08:56] <Guest62> anyone knows wright if the kernel works like this: prefixor core(ran) e thread(waiting event interruption) xclusive kernel throught
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• 713[05:09:54] <ixz> try ##kernel
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• 729[05:23:38] <subcool> i broke it- idk what to do.
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• 731[05:24:46] <subcool> i installed 'displaylink' and now i cant log in. All the guides i am following to fix it, mention going to etc/x11/ - i dont have a /etc/x11
• 732[05:25:29] <ixz> installed 'displaylink' by what
• 733[05:25:45] <subcool> displaylink.org
• 734[05:25:52] <ixz> ah
• 735[05:25:53] <subcool> there is a install ./sh they ahve
• 736[05:26:01] <ixz> ill take a look
• 737[05:26:09] <subcool> appears to be the only way to install it properly on debian.
• 738[05:26:33] <ixz> can you paste that install script
• 739[05:27:01] <subcool> replaced-url
• 740[05:27:15] <subcool> uh- thats on my computer thats down - lol
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• 742[05:27:48] <ixz> no i need the code, and what you mean on your comp
• 743[05:27:52] <subcool> it came with pre-install guide and post install guide
• 744[05:28:03] <ixz> oh
• 745[05:28:05] <ixz> k
• 746[05:28:10] <ixz> but
• 747[05:28:11] <subcool> i read both- i thought i was running x11 ?
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• 749[05:28:19] <subcool> it crashed my computer.
• 750[05:28:30] <ixz> well
• 751[05:28:31] <subcool> on reboot- i cant login.
• 752[05:28:37] <ixz> no screen ?
• 753[05:28:47] <ixz> can you control-alt-f1 or so
• 754[05:28:48] <subcool> i get a gui login, but fails to
• 755[05:28:50] <ixz> f2 f3
• 756[05:28:52] <ixz> aha
• 757[05:28:53] <subcool> yep,
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• 759[05:28:58] <ixz> it like, you cant login ?
• 760[05:29:05] <ixz> like it modified your passwords ?
• 761[05:29:11] <subcool> i was just reveiwing the post-installation notes
• 762[05:29:19] <ixz> you can have it logged in by booting with init=/bin/bash
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• 764[05:29:34] <subcool> no, it tries to log in- the screen goes blank, and then im pushed back to the login screen
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• 766[05:29:55] <ixz> but you can login on console ?
• 767[05:30:00] <subcool> yep
• 768[05:30:05] <ixz> ok
• 769[05:30:14] <ixz> check /var/log/Xorg.* or similiar in /var/log
• 770[05:30:26] <ixz> the .0 or .0.old may say error unconfigured driver
• 771[05:30:38] <subcool> i belive its just a display issue, - but i cant find /etc/x11 - and when i goto run dpkg-reconfigure it doesnt work.
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• 773[05:31:10] <ixz> /etc/x11 is obsolete it seems
• 774[05:31:14] <ixz> by xorg
• 775[05:31:20] <ixz> however
• 776[05:31:25] <ixz> check in /var/log
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• 778[05:32:27] <subcool> there is no xorg log
• 779[05:32:29] <subcool> or x11
• 780[05:32:34] <ixz> hm k
• 781[05:32:45] <ixz> is there an apt or dpkg log
• 782[05:32:54] <ixz> to check for last lines uninstalling stuffs
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• 784[05:33:53] <subcool> those exist, but- this install was a script
• 785[05:34:06] <subcool> oh- and it made me install linux-source
• 786[05:34:23] <ixz> hm
• 787[05:34:39] <ixz> does dmesg or syslog say anything about failed load
• 788[05:34:44] <ixz> failed module load
• 789[05:34:51] <ixz> can you describe displaylink to me a bit
• 790[05:34:52] <subcool> my dmesg is flooded right now, id have to reboot
• 791[05:34:59] <ixz> kk
• 792[05:35:12] <subcool> its an IBM usb hub with external monitor and Ethernet support
• 793[05:35:56] <ixz> i dunno how to tell you, i'd recommend updating your debian to newest but many here and everywhere wouuld disagree cause of the naming of debian trees, like 'unstable' and 'experimental'
• 794[05:36:38] <ixz> thats what i do, .. i mean i cannot stand a non-newest-versions system
• 795[05:36:39] <subcool> i tried 10, came back to 9
• 796[05:36:56] <subcool> newest always breaks for me.
• 797[05:37:00] <ixz> its not 10 im speaking of, its the testing unstable and experimental tree, + the stable one
• 798[05:37:01] <subcool> i cant keep up with the work
• 799[05:37:11] <subcool> this shit happens ALL TH TIME
• 800[05:37:14] <subcool> i cant stand it
• 801[05:37:14] <ixz> :/
• 802[05:37:17] <subcool> its a freaking USB hub
• 803[05:37:18] <subcool> wtf
• 804[05:37:27] <subcool> it USUALLY works- this has NEVER happened before
• 805[05:37:34] <subcool> usally i dotn need some stupid script
• 806[05:37:44] <ixz> ye
• 807[05:38:03] <ixz> i can only offer you one, install on a small test partition debian and we together update it to newest and then you can see if that sw works then
• 808[05:38:14] <ixz> just curious, what does uname -r say
• 809[05:38:17] <subcool> oh nah, thats ok
• 810[05:38:18] <subcool> thanks
• 811[05:38:37] <subcool> 4.9.0-11-amd64
• 812[05:38:48] <ixz> yea well mine says 5.5-rc3 .. but whatever
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• 814[05:38:58] <subcool> jease -
• 815[05:39:16] <ixz> pre 5.4 doesnt run my wlan anyway
• 816[05:39:25] <subcool> i was having issues with wlan too,
• 817[05:39:28] <subcool> but with 10
• 818[05:39:39] <ncesti> hi, is gnu screen installed by default on debian?
• 819[05:39:39] <subcool> itd be on for 20 mins, then crash. id ahve to reboot
• 820[05:39:56] <ixz> depends ncesti mostly you have to install it yourself
• 821[05:39:57] <ixz> like gawk
• 822[05:40:02] <subcool> ncesti: depends on what you select during install
• 823[05:40:31] <ncesti> i see, thanks :)
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• 825[05:41:42] <ixz> subcool, i can only recommend newest versions over too-old ones, eg too-stable-marked ones
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• 837[05:49:47] <subcool> ixz: thanks.. im out- bed time.
• 838[05:49:53] <subcool> gonna have to reinstall- again.
• 839[05:50:01] <ixz> plz
• 840[05:50:05] <subcool> or find a way to install x11 or something
• 841[05:50:06] <ixz> let us update it together
• 842[05:50:11] <ixz> for you to test newest sw, then
• 843[05:50:22] <subcool> lol - im not in the newest- i always have issues
• 844[05:50:32] <subcool> but i gotta shower- thanks though.
• 845[05:50:37] <ixz> =))
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• 898[06:59:14] <annadane> nvm got it
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• 992[08:56:26] <Theonebobo> Ok i am an idio I am trying to resize a lvm partition but it doesn't have an lv path when doing lvdisplay
• 993[08:56:47] <ixz> try su - instead of su
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• 997[09:05:07] <Theonebobo> Never mind I was wanting to remove the partition and It would let me do that even though e2fsck -f came up with back blocks it would let me remove it then resize the other partition
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• 1083[10:46:38] <nazmi> Hi, is it me or several rooms on freenode are missing?
• 1084[10:47:10] <nazmi> (not a debian question indeed but you're the only room that's online from the ones I was in xd)
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• 1087[10:52:29] <nazmi> nevermind, I was just being autistic with the commands I used to join the channels, ahppy holidays everyone
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• 1121[11:22:27] <ultrableacheddol> Currently installing Debian 10 over PXE. Debian 10 rocks!
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• 1123[11:24:16] <lupulo> hi
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• 1129[11:30:00] <hatter__> I have a stretch box that was recently upgraded from Jessie, it is getting stuck on cgmager :
• 1130[11:30:01] <hatter__> replaced-url
• 1131[11:30:08] <hatter__> I can't seem to remove it or reinstall it
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• 1175[12:02:11] <generic> Can I redirect /dev/kmsg to a different location somehow?
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• 1178[12:08:11] <outtabwz> how can i install icewm on buster? nothing mentioned here: replaced-url
• 1179[12:08:42] <Habbie> ,v icewm
• 1180[12:08:43] <judd> Package: icewm on amd64 -- jessie: 1.3.8-2; stretch: 1.3.8+mod+20161220-1; buster: 1.4.3.0~pre-20181030-2; bullseye: 1.6.3+git20191202-1; sid: 1.6.3+git20191202-1
• 1181[12:08:47] <Habbie> you can apt install it
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• 1185[12:10:10] <outtabwz> nice. is it well loved here?
• 1186[12:10:26] <Habbie> i don't know :)
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• 1189[12:11:49] <outtabwz> i recently tried icewm and have been pleased. it feels light and is easy to configure.
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• 1226[12:44:30] <Bushmaster> hello all, I am wondering can it be possible to get a domain name (web site address) for my private IP that points to my Apache server ?
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• 1231[12:50:37] <|{|{|{|}|}|}|> Bushmaster: yes, but that doesn't really concern Debian OS
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• 1233[12:50:56] <|{|{|{|}|}|}|> If you want to register a domain, I recommend namesilo.com
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• 1235[12:51:27] <Bushmaster> okay thanks |{|{|{|}|}|}|
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• 1237[12:51:53] <|{|{|{|}|}|}|> or do you just want a domain that is resolvable in your internal IP network? not really sure what you are asking
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• 1240[12:58:08] <Bushmaster> |{|{|{|}|}|}|: i run a media server at home, basically Apache runs all my movies stored in a SATA External HD docked and powered.
• 1241[12:58:46] <Bushmaster> |{|{|{|}|}|}|: obviiusly external public IP I can access it all but I want that public IP to be replaced by web address
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• 1250[13:05:14] <SS> assalamualaikum
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• 1252[13:05:20] <SS> haii apa kabar
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• 1255[13:06:09] <SS> kok pada diem siihh
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• 1257[13:06:46] <SS> woooyy
• 1258[13:06:50] <SS> kemana aja
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• 1295[13:46:16] <bipul> Hi
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• 1303[13:56:51] <B|ack0p> hi
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• 1307[14:02:21] <bipul> Just tell me when we add any new package "tree" inside ./pool/main/t/ i.e ./pool/main/t/tree/tree-1.7.0.deb Then updated the hash at ./dist/<codeName>/Release and md5sum.txt But still while installing it says Base system Package.gz has corrupt.
• 1308[14:02:29] <bipul> Any help :( ?
• 1309[14:02:40] <abrotman> we add?
• 1310[14:03:05] <bipul> sorry, i have added :(
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• 1312[14:05:44] <bipul> Warning: file:///cdrom/dists/<codeName>/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz was corrupt
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• 1455[16:08:54] <B|ack0p> i installed pastebinit but it stucks like this : $ pastebinit
• 1456[16:08:54] <B|ack0p> /usr/bin/pastebinit:42: DeprecationWarning: dist() and linux_distribution() functions are deprecated in Python 3.5 release = platform.linux_distribution()[0].lower()
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• 1459[16:09:21] <B|ack0p> stucks at sudo dmesg | pastebinit command too
• 1460[16:09:23] <B|ack0p> like this
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• 1462[16:10:55] <petn-randall> B|ack0p: Which OS?
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• 1464[16:11:32] <B|ack0p> petn-randall: deb10
• 1465[16:11:32] <petn-randall> B|ack0p: can you share the output of `apt-cache policy pastebinit; apt-cache policy` run as root?
• 1466[16:11:39] <B|ack0p> ok
• 1467[16:12:03] <Habbie> pastebinit also does that here, and then outputs replaced-url
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• 1469[16:12:07] <Habbie> with nothing after the last /
• 1470[16:12:19] <Habbie> now, those warnings do not expect the failure
• 1471[16:12:21] <Habbie> but fail it does
• 1472[16:12:45] <B|ack0p> petn-randall: replaced-url
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• 1474[16:13:00] <Habbie> here's my output replaced-url
• 1475[16:13:16] <Habbie> so i think we can safey conclude that pastebinit in buster is broken for the debian pastebin
• 1476[16:13:36] <annadane> great. :|
• 1477[16:13:36] <Habbie> *safely
• 1478[16:13:57] <Habbie> s/expect/explain/ sorry
• 1479[16:13:57] <annadane> remind me to run testing more often so i can catch stuff like that, lol
• 1480[16:14:02] <Habbie> hehe
• 1481[16:14:22] <annadane> fixed in 10.3, i assume
• 1482[16:14:25] <B|ack0p> replaced-url
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• 1484[16:14:37] <Habbie> $ echo hi | pastebinit -b replaced-url
• 1485[16:14:38] <Habbie> this works
• 1486[16:14:44] <Habbie> annadane, why do you assume that?
• 1487[16:15:02] <annadane> if it's fundamentally broken then i assume it gets fixed next point release
• 1488[16:15:03] <B|ack0p> when will 10.3 be released?
• 1489[16:15:06] <Habbie> right
• 1490[16:15:12] <Habbie> i assume update/upgrade would get me that fix before 10.3 though?
• 1491[16:15:16] <annadane> like next month
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• 1493[16:15:32] <B|ack0p> kkk
• 1494[16:15:33] <spacebug^> if they know it's broken that is
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• 1496[16:15:35] <annadane> it's what, a point release roughly every 2 months, 2 1/2 months... it's been a while since 10.2
• 1497[16:15:50] <annadane> well not quite that often
• 1498[16:16:28] <annadane> i've only seen x.11 and 2 months between releases = 24 months
• 1499[16:16:40] <annadane> s/months/years
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• 1504[16:17:24] <annadane> so maybe 2ish months yeah though there tends to be an oldstable point release as a final one
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• 1506[16:18:57] <Habbie> i don't see an open bug for pastebinit about this
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• 1508[16:19:06] <annadane> november 16, 10.2 released, 10.1 was september 7 so i guess 10.3 is endish of january
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• 1510[16:19:37] <Habbie> well, there's replaced-url
• 1511[16:19:38] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1512[16:19:41] <Habbie> which does not exactly cover it
• 1513[16:19:45] <annadane> but yeah no reason the fix has to coincide with the point release release, it can be before
• 1514[16:19:55] <Habbie> so somebody should report it
• 1515[16:19:58] <Habbie> i might do it later
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• 1532[16:34:49] <H2Q> hello, can I change the names of my user-root-host?
• 1533[16:36:10] <nvz> your what?
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• 1535[16:37:38] <H2Q> replaced-url
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• 1543[16:41:34] <nvz> changing your hostname is rather trivial I just didnt know what user-root-host meant
• 1544[16:42:12] <nvz> change the name it /etc/hostname and update it in /etc/hosts too for 127.0.1.1 or w/e and then do hostname -F /etc/hostname
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• 1565[16:57:30] <H2Q> this command gives 'no such file or directory' for hostname.sh; '/etc/init.d/hostname.sh start'
• 1566[16:57:58] <H2Q> as for your suggestion, does the command start with 'do' ?
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• 1568[16:59:06] <Habbie> nvz did not suggest you do that command
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• 1570[17:02:02] <H2Q> as for your suggestion, does the command start with 'do' or 'hostname'?
• 1571[17:02:11] <H2Q> as it was not quoted
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• 1573[17:02:21] <H2Q> hope more clear now
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• 1578[17:05:37] <H2Q> I am in '/etc/init.d' and I run 'hostname.sh start'. then I get 'bash hostname.sh: command not found'
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• 1581[17:07:51] <Habbie> it starts with 'hostname'
• 1582[17:08:09] <Habbie> modern debian does not have /etc/init.d/hostname.sh at all unless you switched away from systemd, which i would not recommend
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• 1584[17:08:17] <Habbie> personally i prefer rebooting for such changes anyway
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• 1587[17:09:04] <H2Q> does logout-login suffice?
• 1588[17:09:29] <nvz> hostname is the command, it sets it immediately
• 1589[17:09:42] <nvz> just editing those two files would make it persistant and happen on reboot
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• 1599[17:16:56] <nvz> hostname -F /etc/hostname
• 1600[17:17:06] <nvz> just sets the hostname to whatever you put in /etc/hostname
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• 1603[17:17:45] <nvz> you dont stricktly /need/ to edit /etc/hosts but you will see some warnings and such when using certain things if localhost doesnt point to the hostname you specified
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• 1606[17:18:28] <nvz> some things expect 127.0.1.1 to point to the hostname
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• 1609[17:18:44] <nvz> or the hostname to point to 127.0.1.1 rather :D
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• 1620[17:22:49] <jhutchins> Um, that's 127.0.0.1 - 127.0.1.1 is the address for the local clock in ntp's config.
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• 1623[17:24:20] <jhutchins> Ok, me being old again. I see debian sets the hostname at 1.1 and localhost at 0.1
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• 1667[17:41:31] <NetTerminalGene> how can i disable gnome-software?
• 1668[17:41:40] <NetTerminalGene> from launching at boot
• 1669[17:42:01] <ixz> you can deinstall it maybe
• 1670[17:42:10] <ixz> or choose another type of xdm and such
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• 1673[17:43:28] <annadane> um... no?
• 1674[17:43:37] <annadane> there ought to be an option somewhere
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• 1676[17:44:05] <NetTerminalGene> i also want to disable evolution services
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• 1678[17:44:40] <NetTerminalGene> maybe i should switch to xfce
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• 1680[17:45:16] <nvz> its far better than gnome IMHO
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• 1682[17:45:40] <c0rnelius> indeed it is
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• 1688[17:46:38] <diogenes_> NetTerminalGene, gnome is even more monolithic than the kernel and if you want to remove one small thing, it takes down the entire gnome-shell, which is crazy.
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• 1691[17:47:28] <NetTerminalGene> i used to use xfce
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• 1693[17:47:42] <NetTerminalGene> then switchet to kde
• 1694[17:47:49] <NetTerminalGene> and to gnome
• 1695[17:48:04] <NetTerminalGene> using gnome for 2 years
• 1696[17:48:11] <nvz> so another words you backslid into GUI hell
• 1697[17:48:19] <ixz> ..using wmaker for 15+ years
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• 1724[18:04:44] <H2Q> which of the two methods here do you recommend in order to change the username; replaced-url
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• 1727[18:05:33] <ixz> i change it manually/scripted at /etc/passwd and group or such
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• 1729[18:06:08] <petn-randall> I wouldn't edit /etc/passwd by hand, it's trivial to brick your system that way.
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• 1731[18:06:23] <OerHeks> H2Q, do not look at votes, just at the green icon that says good answer
• 1732[18:06:28] <petn-randall> H2Q: They're equivalent, the one is just more verbose.
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• 1734[18:06:33] <ixz> its trivialer to be bricken not to do so
• 1735[18:06:40] <H2Q> I already created a second user but then saw the second way
• 1736[18:06:52] <H2Q> the first answer also says it may not work
• 1737[18:06:57] <petn-randall> ixz: I don't understand what you're saying.
• 1738[18:07:09] <petn-randall> !tias
• 1739[18:07:09] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
• 1740[18:07:13] <ixz> sorry im out of bisness currently
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• 1742[18:10:14] <H2Q> I will try, then, thank you
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• 1805[18:48:17] <H2Q> how can I check whether (or fix if) my files point to the old home folder name?
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• 1810[18:51:12] <H2Q> does simply creating a symlink with 'ln -s /home/newname /home/oldname' fix it?
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• 1812[18:55:17] <humbot> why not just mv
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• 1818[19:01:39] <petn-randall> H2Q: You want to change your homedir, and just rename the old one to the new one vi amv.
• 1819[19:01:42] <petn-randall> *via mv
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• 1822[19:03:33] <H2Q> petn-randall, in the link above where I compared the two answers, the first answering user wrote that it might be the case that some files pointed at the old homedir still
• 1823[19:05:23] <humbot> some scripts with your $HOME hardcoded?
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• 1826[19:07:16] <H2Q> I dont know how to do that. I was just asking if 'ln -s /home/newname /home/oldname' could be used just in case if files with the old homedir name in their path existed
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• 1831[19:11:28] <warsoul> how can i see every hard drive i have in my pc with the OS that has each one?
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• 1833[19:12:10] <Habbie> warsoul, i like (g)parted for that
• 1834[19:12:36] <warsoul> i need to add a entry on the grub to boot freebsd
• 1835[19:12:41] <warsoul> but dont know the harddrive
• 1836[19:12:57] <c0rnelius> sudo ls blkid
• 1837[19:13:05] <c0rnelius> -ls
• 1838[19:13:20] <c0rnelius> just sudo blkid
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• 1840[19:14:11] <warsoul> replaced-url
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• 1842[19:15:25] <c0rnelius> haven't used bsd in awhiles but pretty sure its the ufs partition
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• 1844[19:15:42] <Habbie> yes, bsd tends to be, or look like, ufs
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• 1846[19:15:57] <humbot> lsblk shows sizes
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• 1848[19:16:05] <c0rnelius> yep
• 1849[19:16:52] <warsoul> what partition is?
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• 1852[19:17:35] <H2Q> I have another question concerning the back-up of a system. are there further folders that could be excluded in this command, in order to save space; 'sudo tar czf /backup.tar.gz --exclude=/backup.tar.gz --exclude=/dev --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/proc --exclude=/sys --exclude=/tmp --exclude=/lost+found /' ?
• 1853[19:17:55] <c0rnelius> --> /dev/sdd2
• 1854[19:18:11] <Habbie> H2Q, i like -x but that does the opposite - limit rsync to the partition you mentioned
• 1855[19:18:42] <Habbie> H2Q, furthermore, almost everything in /usr should be recreatable from the list of installed packages, but there can always be a few surprises in that
• 1856[19:19:14] <Habbie> H2Q, /usr/share/doc might be a nice compromise there - it is big and also useless
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• 1867[19:23:58] <H2Q> Habbie, /bin, /boot, /run, /sbin, /srv as well do not contain any custom element, right?
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• 1872[19:25:54] <H2Q> I am only concerned with keeping custom configurations / installations
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• 1875[19:26:46] <H2Q> it'd be great not to have to re-enter them, i.e. in case of a fresh install
• 1876[19:27:22] <n4dir> the arch wiki has an example for backing up the complete installation, and i assume that one is ok.
• 1877[19:27:28] <n4dir> with rsync
• 1878[19:27:33] <H2Q> but dont know where to find them. not all such files are under ~/.config, for ex.
• 1879[19:27:47] <pikaro> hi! it looks like upgrading to debian 10, something changed the permissions of /etc/ssl to 0750 root:smmsp. is this a conscious choice or is there a known culprit? sendmail doesn't seem to have done so. /etc/ssl/certs still is 0755 root:root but this means that nobody but root and sendmail can validate certificates...
• 1880[19:28:24] <n4dir> H2Q: i guess i'd go for all hidden files in the user(s) home(s) and all of /etc.
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• 1883[19:30:34] <H2Q> n4dir, so /usr or /var is not relevant?
• 1884[19:31:47] <n4dir> i am not too sure, but as far as configurations are concerned i would say "not relevant". iirc some configurations (default) might be in /usr/share.
• 1885[19:31:55] <n4dir> as said: don't take my word for it.
• 1886[19:32:13] <tuv> what's the recommended way of installing npm packages?
• 1887[19:32:19] <n4dir> usually you are told to copy those default configs to /etc or your home and edit there.
• 1888[19:32:39] <tuv> instead of `npm install -g <package-name>`
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• 1890[19:33:33] <n4dir> H2Q: my approach was to a) backup all of etc b) backup all of hidden home files and c) backup all of the system (with excludes). All with rsync.
• 1891[19:33:40] <n4dir> just to be sure.
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• 1894[19:34:31] <Habbie> pikaro, /etc/ssl is 0755 root:root on my (non-upgrade) buster (with no mail software installed), fwiw
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• 1900[19:36:39] <pikaro> Habbie, weird - it was working yesterday, fetchmail fetched a mail successfully so it was definitely the upgrade
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• 1934[19:54:45] <Habbie> pikaro, does sound like it :(
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• 1954[20:07:13] <jetscreamer> default menu xfce regenerates items on first click. how to direct menu to regenerate on_boot or on_login so i don't have to wait that 3-5 seconds for the menu to pop up (the first time, is fine after that)
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• 1959[20:08:55] <diogenes_> jetscreamer, default or whisker?
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• 1964[20:10:49] <jetscreamer> default
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• 1967[20:11:02] <jetscreamer> ... i think
• 1968[20:11:17] <jetscreamer> yes, default
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• 1971[20:12:49] <diogenes_> default is called Application Menu. you could ask in #xfce too.
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• 1979[20:13:22] <jetscreamer> good thought
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• 1984[20:16:35] <diogenes_> jetscreamer, btw you could get the same kinda menu if you right click ok desktop > applications.
• 1985[20:17:55] <jetscreamer> yeah. workaround is click, click again (elsewhere on desktop) then when i do want the menu, it's ready
• 1986[20:17:59] <jetscreamer> same menu
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• 1989[20:18:44] <humbot> mine is ridiculously slow to launch the first time too
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• 1991[20:19:25] <jetscreamer> pretty sure i read it regenerates or reparses the menu items the first use. so i want to get it to do it when i log in.
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• 1994[20:20:09] <jetscreamer> coulda been some other menu though
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• 1996[20:20:22] <H2Q> n4dir, thank you, I was exploring the folder contents. looks like usr/share contains manual installations, too. do these contain config files, too?
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• 1999[20:21:16] <diogenes_> jetscreamer, you could add this to startup: xfce4-popup-applicationsmenu
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• 2001[20:22:42] <diogenes_> so it regenerates before you start it so all the following menu activations are fast.
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• 2034[20:41:50] <nulltrading> hello, I have a program that requires java 8. Which is only available on stretch(oldstable), would I just add a reference to that repo in my sources.list?
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• 2042[20:45:14] <petn-randall> !java-package
• 2043[20:45:15] <dpkg> java-package (formerly mpkg-j2se, j2se-package) provides the make-jpkg utility for creating Debian packages from manually downloaded <Java> distributions; Oracle Java 6 (update >= 10) and Oracle Java 7 are currently supported. java-package is available for Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems in <contrib>. replaced-url
• 2044[20:45:23] <petn-randall> nulltrading: You might get it installed like this. ^^^
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• 2049[20:52:35] <nulltrading> petn-randall: thank you, that seems to be what i am looking for
• 2050[20:53:21] <petn-randall> nulltrading: You're welcome, and let me know if you could install java8 this way.
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• 2056[20:57:28] <hatter__> I am trying to upgrade a kernel on a newly upgraded stretch box, from kernel 3.2 to 4.9. It is sitting at : update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-11-amd64 for a long time now. Two lines above it says this : Error! Your kernel headers for kernel 4.9.0-11-amd64 cannot be found.
• 2057[20:59:53] <bipul> Where i can get the source code for apt-utils
• 2058[20:59:55] <bipul> ?
• 2059[21:00:03] <Habbie> bipul, 'apt source apt-utils'
• 2060[21:00:04] <bipul> .help
• 2061[21:00:08] <bipul> !help
• 2062[21:00:27] <bipul> Habbie, It does not get me the real one
• 2063[21:00:33] <Habbie> bipul, hmm?
• 2064[21:01:23] <bipul> You shoud check and let me know
• 2065[21:01:52] <Habbie> i should nothing, sorry
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• 2068[21:02:58] <bipul> :9
• 2069[21:03:01] <bipul> :(
• 2070[21:03:28] <OerHeks> if you need the source and know howtobuild, you would have found that apt-utils is part of apt
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• 2077[21:05:29] <bipul> OerHeks, How did you know ? just asking? I can see "Original-Maintainer: APT Development Team <deity@lists.debian.org>"
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• 2081[21:07:06] <bipul> oh pool/main/a/apt/apt-utils_1.6.6ubuntu0.1_amd64.deb
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• 2092[21:16:07] <bipul> OerHeks, Nops , it does not have .gz file which contains actual data.
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• 2095[21:17:19] <OerHeks> The following binary packages are built from this source package: ... replaced-url
• 2096[21:17:50] <petn-randall> bipul: What makes you think that `apt source apt-utils` not get you the "real" source code?
• 2097[21:18:44] <bipul> I can't see here :(
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• 2099[21:18:55] <petn-randall> hatter__: From which release did you upgrade to stretch?
• 2100[21:19:25] <bipul> yes stretch may be it's my fault
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• 2102[21:19:59] <petn-randall> bipul: You can't see what exactly?
• 2103[21:20:08] <petn-randall> bipul: What do you expect, and what do you get instead?
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• 2105[21:21:10] <bipul> I'm expecting to get apt_1.6.12.tar.gz file.
• 2106[21:21:17] <hatter__> petn-randall - jessie
• 2107[21:21:39] <bipul> Also i'm unable to extract this apt_1.6.12.tar.xz using tar -xfj
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• 2109[21:22:07] <hatter__> it's hung on this : update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-11-amd64 - after changing the symlinks... :( scary
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• 2111[21:22:25] <hatter__> I am still ssh'd in on another terminal
• 2112[21:22:32] <petn-randall> bipul: Please share the output of `apt source apt-utils` with us via replaced-url
• 2113[21:22:55] <petn-randall> hatter__: Is there any I/O on the machine?
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• 2115[21:24:13] <hatter__> :petn-randall, no, pretty idle
• 2116[21:24:18] <bipul> petn-randall, replaced-url
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• 2118[21:24:43] <hatter__> oh, it just continued
• 2119[21:24:45] <bipul> oh i'm on different distro
• 2120[21:25:13] <petn-randall> !ubuntu
• 2121[21:25:13] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
• 2122[21:25:20] <petn-randall> bipul: You may ask in there. ^^^
• 2123[21:25:46] <bipul> ok :) :D
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• 2128[21:28:51] <hatter__> petn-randall, I pressed ctrl-c while it appeared hung, then it continued for awhile, then it looked like it finished, then it said interrupted by user.
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• 2130[21:29:04] <hatter__> now if I try to install the new kernel again it says it is installed.
• 2131[21:29:16] <hatter__> ...I am scared now :(
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• 2133[21:30:18] <hatter__> dpkg -l says it is installed.
• 2134[21:30:19] <dpkg> ii says it is installed. 3.9-2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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• 2137[21:31:23] <hatter__> kernel 4.9 is in the grub.cfg...
• 2138[21:31:48] <hatter__> can i do a apt-get install --reinstall on the kernel to be safe ?
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• 2141[21:35:39] <petn-randall> hatter__: Are you sure you went from jessie to stretch? linux kernel 3.2 was packaged in wheezy.
• 2142[21:36:35] <hatter__> petn-randall, It was wheezy first, then stretch, then jessie, then stretch, so I must not have upgraded the kernel in between the stretch to jessie
• 2143[21:36:54] <hatter__> I mean, wheezy, jessie, stretch
• 2144[21:37:02] <petn-randall> hatter__: You might want to finish the upgrade to jessie first before moving to stretch.
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• 2146[21:37:18] <hatter__> it all went fine, there weren't any errors
• 2147[21:37:27] <petn-randall> Well, the kernel isn't.
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• 2150[21:38:18] <hatter__> ah.
• 2151[21:38:48] <hatter__> so perhap this box didn't have the meta-kernel ?
• 2152[21:39:01] <hatter__> so it didn't upgrade the kernel during the upgrade process ?
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• 2154[21:39:38] <petn-randall> Maybe, but also initramfs doesn't work with every kernel from every release.
• 2155[21:40:02] <hatter__> it appears kernel 4.9 is installed , do you think it hasn't worked ?
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• 2157[21:42:46] <petn-randall> hatter__: You can generate the initramfs again with `update-initramfs -k <version number> -u`. I'd try that to be sure.
• 2158[21:43:16] <hatter__> petn-randall, ok thx, I will try this.
• 2159[21:43:32] <hatter__> what do I do in IRC to highlight who I am talking to ?
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• 2161[21:44:30] <slimefoot> hatter__: just write their nickname
• 2162[21:44:49] <hatter__> slimefoot, is this highlighted for you now ?
• 2163[21:44:51] <slimefoot> yes
• 2164[21:44:57] <hatter__> ah, just not for me.
• 2165[21:45:03] <hatter__> slimefoot, thx
• 2166[21:45:10] <slimefoot> hatter__: <- so this message is not highlighted for you?
• 2167[21:45:17] <hatter__> slimefoot, yes it is
• 2168[21:45:23] <hatter__> slimefoot, but my msg to you isn't
• 2169[21:45:36] <slimefoot> well yes, because *my* nickname is used :-P
• 2170[21:45:45] <hatter__> so I wasn't sure I was highlighting who I am talking to :)
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• 2173[21:46:43] <petn-randall> hatter__: Your IRC client will only highlight messages that contain your nick, not from others.
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• 2176[21:47:05] <hatter__> petn-randall, ok thx.
• 2177[21:47:06] <petn-randall> You could configure it to, but it wouldn't be useful, as most of your messages should be prefixed to the user you want to send it to.
• 2178[21:47:21] <petn-randall> (You'd end up with nearly all messages in a channel highlighted)
• 2179[21:47:37] <hatter__> petn-randall, I just wasn't sure if I need a special character to highlight who I am replying to
• 2180[21:48:04] <petn-randall> Ah, ok.
• 2181[21:48:22] <hatter__> the meta package is : linux-image-amd64 ?
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• 2184[21:48:43] <hatter__> this should put the kernel related to the release during the upgrade ?
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• 2211[22:10:48] <HelloShitty> Hello everyone. I need help to change a new user account I just created system language
• 2212[22:10:53] <HelloShitty> and I can't make it work
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• 2214[22:11:23] <HelloShitty> I created an account for my daughter and I need to change her account to our native language. I have already tried a few things but nothing seems to work
• 2215[22:11:36] <B|ack0p> HelloShitty: nice nick :p
• 2216[22:11:47] <HelloShitty> I tried the 2nd part of this site:
• 2217[22:11:50] <HelloShitty> replaced-url
• 2218[22:12:08] <HelloShitty> where it says - How to change the language of KDE applications
• 2219[22:12:17] <HelloShitty> But made no difference
• 2220[22:12:45] <HelloShitty> then I tried by hand with `localectl set-locale pt_PT.utf8"
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• 2222[22:13:08] <HelloShitty> and checked with `localectl status`
• 2223[22:13:14] <HelloShitty> but it onlu chnaged part of the settings
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• 2226[22:13:40] <HelloShitty> the setting LANGUAGE remianed en_GB.utf8:en
• 2227[22:14:25] <HelloShitty> I tried then with `localectl set-locale LANGUAGE=pt_PT.utf8`
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• 2229[22:14:45] <HelloShitty> but when I checked with `localectl status`
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• 2231[22:14:58] <HelloShitty> that LANGUAGE setting vanished from the command output
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• 2233[22:15:14] <HelloShitty> so I set it again with export LANGUAGE=pt_PT.utf8
• 2234[22:15:25] <HelloShitty> and checked again with `localectl status`
• 2235[22:15:38] <HelloShitty> and that setting went back to en_GB.utf8:en
• 2236[22:15:41] <HelloShitty> :0
• 2237[22:16:13] <HelloShitty> So, how am I supposed to change my daughter's account language without affecting my own account language?
• 2238[22:16:52] <gvth> test
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• 2250[22:20:57] <gvth> Hi; I have a text file in which I would like to replace any secluded newline character by a simple space character. Which means that when there are multiple successive newlines, I would like to keep them in tact. I would be very thankful for a command line to accomplish this. Thanks in advance :-)
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• 2264[22:28:23] <j0n5iver> whoami
• 2265[22:28:30] <j0n5iver> whoops, my bad
• 2266[22:29:06] <Habbie> gvth, i like: perl -pe 's/\n/ /g'
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• 2268[22:29:15] <Habbie> gvth, but you should test if before you believe that that is correct
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• 2275[22:35:50] <gvth> Habbie: doesn't it also exchange multiple successive newlines with space characters?
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• 2278[22:37:11] <HelloShitty> B|ack0p: ty...
• 2279[22:37:31] <HelloShitty> But I need help on changing system language for specific user account. Any help?
• 2280[22:37:33] <Habbie> gvth, oh, you said secluded, sorry - then leave out the g
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• 2282[22:37:46] <Habbie> gvth, i misread it as 'i want 3 newlines to become 3 spaces'
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• 2284[22:38:00] <Habbie> gvth, but even without g it might do the wrong thing for you, i realise now
• 2285[22:38:08] <Habbie> gvth, you could try /m but i forgot the semantics
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• 2287[22:39:12] <jhutchins> hatter__: Are you still there?
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• 2289[22:40:21] <gvth> Habbie: two successive newlines should remain two successive newlines and single newlines should be replaced by space characters
• 2290[22:40:54] <hatter__> jhutchins, yes
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• 2292[22:42:29] <jhutchins> Many irc programs will use different colors for different nics in the text, that might be a feature you could turn on.
• 2293[22:42:49] <jhutchins> hatter__: At any point did you do "dist-upgrade" or "full-upgrade"?
• 2294[22:44:22] <hatter__> jhutchins, I think I followed the instructions and only did dist-upgrade for 8 - 9, but full-upgrade for 9-10,
• 2295[22:44:56] <jhutchins> hatter__: They are synonyms, so as long as you did that, you should have gotten a new kernel.
• 2296[22:45:27] <hatter__> hmmm, it doesn't seem that I did on a few of these boxes
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• 2298[22:46:32] <hatter__> I am looking at one now that is jessie, but it is on kernel 3.2
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• 2300[22:46:54] <jhutchins> ,kernels
• 2301[22:46:55] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.4.0-trunk-686-pae (5.4.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.3.0-3-686-pae (5.3.15-1); bullseye: 5.3.0-3-686-pae (5.3.15-1); buster-backports: 5.3.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.3.9-2~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-6-686 (4.19.67-2+deb10u2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2+deb10u2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports:
• 2302[22:46:56] <judd> 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2~deb8u1)
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• 2304[22:47:35] <hatter__> I just did another one that was the same, I installed linux-image-amd64 , it installed 3.16 then I rebooted, however it hasn't come back up yet. hopefully it is just doing a fsck
• 2305[22:48:39] <jhutchins> hatter__: It's usually recommended that you do apt-get upgrade, then when it's finished do apt-get dist-upgrade.
• 2306[22:48:50] <hatter__> absolutely.
• 2307[22:48:52] <hatter__> that is what I did.
• 2308[22:48:56] <jhutchins> hatter__: The second step installs the kernel and removes obsoleted packages.
• 2309[22:49:20] <hatter__> it hasn't installed kernel all the time it seems, it has been successful on most of the boxes.
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• 2316[22:52:25] <jhutchins> hatter__: I think there are different meta-packages that might affect how the kernel is updated, I'm not entirely sure.
• 2317[22:53:07] <cyveris> In general, I know that mixing stable and unstable is a no-no. Wireguard's installation instructions for Debian stable seem to add an unstable repo, but then limit it to only the wireguard packages. Is this a sane method? replaced-url
• 2318[22:53:32] <cyveris> Or, rather, they set the repo priority lower than stable.
• 2319[22:54:24] <jhutchins> ,v wireguard
• 2320[22:54:25] <judd> Package: wireguard on amd64 -- bullseye: 0.0.20191219-1; sid: 0.0.20191219-1
• 2321[22:54:43] <joepublic> in my opinion, that is a non-sane method, with some risk of frankendebian.
• 2322[22:54:56] <jhutchins> cyveris: The above implies that wireguard is not currently in unstable.
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• 2324[22:55:06] <cyveris> I thought 'sid' was unstable?
• 2325[22:55:15] <joepublic> I do see how it could appear to be fine for a while.
• 2326[22:55:40] <jhutchins> cyveris: Ah, sorry, I'm thinking experimental.
• 2327[22:55:44] <jhutchins> !ssb
• 2328[22:55:44] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
• 2329[22:55:58] <jhutchins> cyveris: That's the sane way to install packages from sid.
• 2330[22:56:04] <cyveris> Ah, neat.
• 2331[22:56:16] <cyveris> Could that fail if some dependency was unavailable?
• 2332[22:56:25] <jhutchins> Yes.
• 2333[22:56:26] <cyveris> ... I realize that that was a stupid question.
• 2334[22:56:41] <joepublic> same instructions might apply to the dependency
• 2335[22:56:53] <jhutchins> I'm not sure how the pinning procedure would handle dependencies.
• 2336[22:56:55] <cyveris> Is it possible somehow to check if those dependencies are satisfied?
• 2337[22:57:01] <jhutchins> !checkbackport wireguard
• 2338[22:57:42] <cyveris> Should I type that?
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• 2340[22:58:15] <jhutchins> cyveris: There's some way to query the bot here.
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• 2342[22:58:30] <jhutchins> ,checkbackport wireguard
• 2343[22:58:31] <judd> Backporting package wireguard in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12).
• 2344[23:00:26] <cyveris> Guess I'm out of luck, huh.
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• 2346[23:00:51] <hatter__> some of my jessie boxes are on kernel 3.20, which is the kernel from wheezy, most of them are on kernel 3.16
• 2347[23:01:08] <cyveris> jhutchins: Thanks for the help. :)
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• 2349[23:01:08] <hatter__> I hadn't even checked until now
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• 2351[23:01:28] <hatter__> I thought the kernel would have been updated with the dist-upgrade
• 2352[23:01:40] <hatter__> maybe it wasn't the meta kernel ?
• 2353[23:02:00] <jhutchins> hatter__: Should have been, but we don't know what happened to those boxes prior to the update, so we don't know why it might not have.
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• 2355[23:02:23] <jhutchins> hatter__: I don't know the upgrade process well enough to tell you.
• 2356[23:02:28] <hatter__> hmm, should it be safe to now change to the meta kernel ?
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• 2358[23:02:48] <hatter__> ok thx
• 2359[23:03:06] <jhutchins> hatter__: The kernel isn't always installed as a metapackage, so it could be it was installed by installing a specific version directly, and would not jump a major version.
• 2360[23:03:42] <hatter__> jhutchins, yes this is what I am guessing
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• 2364[23:04:08] <hatter__> I didn't pay enough attention to the kernel versions.
• 2365[23:04:08] <jhutchins> hatter__: That's pure speculation. During the US workday/week there are some people on who know the process better.
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• 2369[23:05:41] <hatter__> *phew* one of the boxes I changed to the meta version just came back up.
• 2370[23:05:48] <hatter__> it was doing a fsck
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• 2372[23:06:15] <jhutchins> hatter__: Yeah, and makeinitramfs or dracut or whatever can take a while too.
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• 2374[23:06:35] <hatter__> jhutchins, it doesn't do that on reboot though
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• 2376[23:06:47] <jhutchins> True.
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• 2379[23:08:18] <u1f320> Any docs on how to get(or compile) a debug version of a package ?
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• 2381[23:08:40] <nvz> apt install foo-dbg
• 2382[23:09:14] <nvz> that or compiling a debugging version both depend on the package in question
• 2383[23:09:15] <u1f320> E: Unable to locate package pcmanfm-qt-dbg
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• 2386[23:10:34] <jhutchins> !debug
• 2387[23:10:35] * dpkg DeBuggers $1
• 2388[23:10:51] <Habbie> $1 :D
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• 2391[23:11:13] <jhutchins> u1f320: Pretty sure there's something on the wiki about it.
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• 2394[23:12:24] <u1f320> ah I may need to add -debug to sources.list
• 2395[23:12:30] <u1f320> replaced-url
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• 2410[23:18:35] <u1f320> replaced-url
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• 2415[23:22:10] <u1f320> sudo apt install pcmanfm-qt-dbgsym
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• 2417[23:23:10] <u1f320> unless I'm missing something this line wasn't needed: deb replaced-url
• 2418[23:23:22] <u1f320> to get that -dbgsym package
• 2419[23:24:01] <u1f320> however, that's not what I wanted :) the -dbg one still doesn't exist hmm, guess I'll have to search for a recompile with -DDEBUG howto
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• 2421[23:25:04] <u1f320> oh it's pcmanfm-dbg
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• 2423[23:25:41] <u1f320> unless it's the non-qt version, ok nvm
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• 2444[23:43:00] <smalltalk> hey guys my postfix stops working and my server stops receiving any email if I try to enable spamassassin with basic settings shown on most tutorials
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• 2448[23:47:15] <sponix> smalltalk: there was an exim guy in here the other day with spamassassin issues also
• 2449[23:47:21] <karlpinc> smalltalk: Don't follow the tuitorials. Instead read the readme.debian.
• 2450[23:47:25] <karlpinc> !readme.debian
• 2451[23:47:25] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
• 2452[23:47:46] <digdilem> random internet tutorials are often misleading or out of date.
• 2453[23:48:06] <karlpinc> smalltalk: Otherwise, should work pretty much out of the box. (Dunno. I'm using spamassassin with postfix, although not auto-discarding.)
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• 2457[23:49:35] <karlpinc> smalltalk: In my master.cf I have: smtp inet n - n - - smtpd
• 2458[23:49:48] <karlpinc> -o content_filter=spamfilter:
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• 2461[23:50:34] <karlpinc> smalltalk: And: spamfilter unix - n n - - pipe flags=Rq user=spamfilter argv=/usr/local/sbin/postfixfilter -f ${sender} -- ${recipient}
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• 2471[23:58:06] <brainacid0> Has anyone tried the RAMboot hack? replaced-url
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• 2473[23:59:42] <brainacid0> Im currently running Star Kirk based on Devuan with this hack
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