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5 [00:04:05] <dka> oh
6 [00:04:17] <dka> I see that docker use overlay2 and not aufs-dkms
7 [00:04:19] <dka> so I do not need it
8 [00:04:26] <dka> how can I remove it safely so I can upgrade my kernel to 5.3?
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17 [00:13:33] <manWithNoName> hi all
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38 [00:31:41] <misterwhatever> all hi indeed
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43 [00:37:10] <dka> This file is available in 1.4.1 => replaced-url
44 [00:37:28] <dka> I am trying to install my microphone on debian using that official and deprecated lenovo tutorial : file:///home/dka/Downloads/Enabling%20audio%20on%20the%20X1C7.pdf
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56 [00:48:29] <joepublic> dka, no help yet?
57 [00:48:50] <dka> nop
58 [00:48:57] <dka> I have found this: replaced-url
59 [00:49:02] <dka> and people in the comment are using up to date version
60 [00:49:13] <dka> but I am afraid of running it, they posted comment with updated version
61 [00:49:19] <joepublic> sounds like you need to be running kernel 5.3 in short, right?
62 [00:50:10] <joepublic> ,v linux-image
63 [00:50:11] <judd> No package named 'linux-image' was found in amd64.
64 [00:50:24] <joepublic> point taken.
65 [00:50:49] <dka> Y
66 [00:50:55] <dka> I have kernel 5.3
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68 [00:52:05] <joepublic> does the script that you linked to not work?
69 [00:52:23] <annadane> ,kernels
70 [00:52:24] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.4.0-trunk-686-pae (5.4.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.3.0-3-686-pae (5.3.15-1); bullseye: 5.3.0-3-686-pae (5.3.15-1); buster-backports: 5.3.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.3.9-2~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-6-686 (4.19.67-2+deb10u2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2+deb10u2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports:
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73 [00:52:25] <judd> 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2~deb8u1)
74 [00:52:30] <annadane> joepublic,
75 [00:52:30] <joepublic> thanks annadane
76 [00:55:27] <annadane> actually i wonder
77 [00:55:31] <annadane> ,v linux-image-amd64
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79 [00:55:33] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u9; stretch-backports: 4.19+105+deb10u1~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105+deb10u1; buster-backports: 5.3.9-2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.3.15-1; sid: 5.3.15-1; experimental: 5.4.2-1~exp1
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81 [00:55:42] <annadane> yeah so basically the same
82 [00:55:49] <annadane> . ,kernels is just less typing
83 [00:55:53] <joepublic> that's probably what I was looking for
84 [00:56:14] <joepublic> I am perverse and just compile whatever the latest thing from linux-libre is
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91 [01:04:17] <ryouma> the most recent one does not include the .11
92 [01:04:31] <ryouma> i get pretty confused about kernel image names
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103 [01:13:23] <jelly> !kernel abi
104 [01:13:24] <dpkg> Debian kernel packages have an <ABI> to indicate when out-of-tree modules must be rebuilt; upgrading from a package with 3.2.0-3-amd64 to another 3.2.0-3-amd64 doesn't require fglrx/nvidia/etc to be rebuilt, but upgrading from 3.2.0-3-amd64 to 3.2.0-4-amd64 does. Development kernels intended for <experimental> have the ABI <trunk> to indicate the ABI is unmanaged. replaced-url
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106 [01:14:08] <ryouma> what mean is annadane did 2 factoids that did not match. my system has a .11 someplace.
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108 [01:14:12] <ryouma> stretch
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114 [01:15:12] <jelly> ryouma: 4.9.0-11-amd64 that -11- does not come from linux kernel version, it's part of the abi string.
115 [01:15:24] <annadane> debian numbers kernels differently from upstream
116 [01:15:37] <jelly> it really doesn't
117 [01:16:04] <jelly> make a distinction between package NAME and package VERSION
118 [01:16:53] <jelly> package version is still 4.9.189-3+deb9u2 and the part before - is upstream version
119 [01:18:17] <jelly> package _names_ contain the ABI part, and might look like linux-image-4.9.0-11-amd64, linux-headers-4.9.0-11-amd64, etc
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122 [01:19:08] <jelly> judd's "kernels" command shows both abi (that's part of linux kernel package names) and version, in format: release: abi (version)
123 [01:19:24] <jelly> (more like repo: abi (version), but ehh)
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138 [01:23:32] <dka> I am trying to build fwupd and I have builddeps:fwupd : Depends: libxmlb-dev (>= 0.1.13) but 0.1.6-2 is to be installed
139 [01:23:55] <jelly> ,v libxmlb-dev
140 [01:23:56] <judd> Package: libxmlb-dev on amd64 -- buster: 0.1.6-2; bullseye: 0.1.14-1; sid: 0.1.14-1
141 [01:24:15] <jelly> dka: you'd have to backport libxmlb-dev first, and install it
142 [01:24:20] <dka> can you show me helper again ?
143 [01:24:26] <jelly> dka: /msg dpkg ssb
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145 [01:24:38] <jelly> ,v fwupd
146 [01:24:39] <judd> Package: fwupd on amd64 -- stretch: 0.7.4-2; buster: 1.2.5-2; bullseye: 1.3.4-1; sid: 1.3.5-1
147 [01:24:50] <jelly> ah, no backports for that either
148 [01:24:52] <dka> not that one, the one with instruction to add deb-src and get the .deb
149 [01:25:12] <jelly> dka: that's the one. ssb = simple sid backport
150 [01:25:30] <dka> i dont understand how I can install with that one
151 [01:25:37] <dka> but you gave me one before where I was able to download .deb
152 [01:25:41] <dka> and install with dpkg -i
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154 [01:25:42] <jelly> you don't install. you build.
155 [01:25:49] <dka> yes I am building fwupd
156 [01:25:53] <dka> but I need to install the missing dep
157 [01:26:02] <dka> or to build it
158 [01:26:05] <dka> but I forgot the helper
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160 [01:26:39] <jelly> you also need to build this one dep, it does not exist on anything older than testing
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162 [01:26:49] <jelly> it's the same recipe.
163 [01:27:13] <dka> but you just showed me
164 [01:27:15] <dka> ,v libxmlb-dev
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166 [01:27:16] <judd> Package: libxmlb-dev on amd64 -- buster: 0.1.6-2; bullseye: 0.1.14-1; sid: 0.1.14-1
167 [01:27:20] <dka> it's on sid
168 [01:27:37] <jelly> and you can't install binary packages from sid
169 [01:27:39] <dka> so last time you helped me get aufs-dkms from sid
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171 [01:27:50] <jelly> no
172 [01:28:07] <dka> I have this in my /etc/apt/source.list => deb-src replaced-url
173 [01:28:08] <jelly> dka: i helped you BUILD aufs-dkms from sid SOURCE packages
174 [01:28:19] <dka> ok. well that's what I wanted to say
175 [01:28:31] <jelly> you need to do the same with libxmlb-dev now
176 [01:28:34] <dka> can I do the same with lbxml-dev ? or do I need to git clone and build
177 [01:28:42] <dka> and why aren't you not resting?
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179 [01:29:06] <jelly> why are you not learning from previous experience
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181 [01:29:38] <dka> I tought I was
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183 [01:29:48] <dka> But i remembered using sid and I was right
184 [01:29:53] <dka> I remember building the deb and i was right
185 [01:30:03] <dka> so I didn't get exactly what happened during this step probably you can tell me
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187 [01:30:11] <dka> but I understood I was building from the source of sid in my env
188 [01:30:39] <jelly> and dpkg, the bot, will tell you the recipe to do it again
189 [01:30:52] <dka> I forgot what you tip to get the recip
190 [01:30:55] <dka> that's what I want to know xD
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192 [01:31:24] <jelly> [00:24] <jelly> dka: /msg dpkg ssb
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194 [01:31:37] <dka> !simple sid backport
195 [01:31:38] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
196 [01:31:41] <dka> got it
197 [01:31:55] <jelly> dka: there's no need to do it in public multiple times, ask the bot in private.
198 [01:32:12] <dka> now I got it
199 [01:32:13] <dka> sorry
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201 [01:32:57] <jelly> (it's the same bot, and the same information, if you type /msg dpkg ssb)
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204 [01:33:45] <dka> yes, I didn't know so I didn't recognize the command
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206 [01:33:53] <dka> I should have tried still sorry
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209 [01:35:43] <dka> that sid trick, is the most enriching thing i've learn today
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214 [01:36:38] <jelly> making a backport is very nice, but does not always work, as you see sometimes you need to recurse
215 [01:36:43] <manWithNoName> Does anyone use KDE Wayland? if so, can you tell me how I can install it? Debian testing
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217 [01:37:08] <dka> I am trying to build fwupd replaced-url
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219 [01:37:10] <jelly> dpkg, tell manWithNoName about debian-next
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224 [01:38:03] <Habbie> on upgrading to buster on aarch64, my interface name changed from enP2p1s0f1 to enP2p1s0v0
225 [01:38:06] <Habbie> i can't find what v0 means
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227 [01:38:11] <Habbie> i also am a bit sad that things broke like this
228 [01:38:17] <Habbie> is this a known issue?
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232 [01:43:30] <jelly> Habbie: does it go back if you boot the old kernel?
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234 [01:43:44] <tds> Habbie: it's noted under the History section of replaced-url
235 [01:44:02] <tds> ,v systemd
236 [01:44:03] <judd> Package: systemd on amd64 -- jessie: 215-17+deb8u7; jessie-security: 215-17+deb8u13; stretch-security: 232-25+deb9u11; stretch: 232-25+deb9u12; stretch-backports: 241-5~bpo9+1; buster: 241-7~deb10u2; buster-backports: 242-8~bpo10+1; bullseye: 244-3; sid: 244-3
237 [01:44:05] <Habbie> hmmm
238 [01:44:08] <Habbie> i didn't think i had SR-IOV
239 [01:44:15] <tds> and that claims in v239, which would line up with stretch -> buster
240 [01:44:20] <Habbie> it does line up
241 [01:44:41] <Habbie> [ 15.500327] thunder-nic 0002:01:00.0: SRIOV enabled, number of VF available 12
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243 [01:44:43] <Habbie> aha
244 [01:45:02] <Habbie> it surprises me because i'm not virtualised
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246 [01:45:23] <Habbie> to be clear, my machine is up now
247 [01:45:27] <Habbie> and everything is fine
248 [01:46:03] <tds> names changing between upgrades also seems particularly unhelpful, and to some extent what predictable names should avoid :(
249 [01:46:07] <jelly> and if you had "predictable interface names" disabled, you'd still have eth0 before and eth0 after
250 [01:46:38] <tds> or eth4 and eth5 randomly swapping round and things not coming up right half the time :D
251 [01:47:57] <jelly> tds: honestly 70-persistent-net.rules was good enough to avoid that
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253 [01:48:22] <Habbie> all i can say is that persistent names have caused me much grief
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255 [01:48:32] <Habbie> well actually there's more i can say
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257 [01:49:01] <Habbie> i don't like how long the predictable names are, but besides this gbit usb dongle i imported from china, the names are persistent at least
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259 [01:49:26] <dka> I want to build from source fwupd , this is the README: replaced-url
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261 [01:50:31] <jelly> dka: maybe, just maybe, you can try doing a backport for that, as well
262 [01:50:48] <dka> ,version fwupd
263 [01:50:49] <judd> Package: fwupd on amd64 -- stretch: 0.7.4-2; buster: 1.2.5-2; bullseye: 1.3.4-1; sid: 1.3.5-1
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267 [01:52:18] <f91w2> I created a USB key a long time ago and I'm not sure how. Can someone help discern this mess? parted says mac disklabel, fdisk says dos, and gparted says iso9660. Mounting works in Debian, but dumber *nixes (Chrome) fail: replaced-url
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271 [01:54:06] <f91w2> I want to make sdb2 (NTFS via linux) readable for everyone but things are choking somewhere along the line
272 [01:54:46] <petn-randall> f91w2: If it's a installation disk there are weird things on those.
273 [01:55:22] <f91w2> petn-randall: yeah I think what's going on is I used it as an install disk, then reappropriated it without reformatting into just a regular USB drive. I've been using it as one successfully until I tried to plug it into a chromebook
274 [01:55:45] <f91w2> and now I'm in a situation where I don't have a spare drive to temporarily copy the data onto to reformat this one properly
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276 [01:55:54] <f91w2> Is there some sort of disklabel surgery I can do
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279 [01:56:33] <jelly> let's make "predictable" names based on how current hardware is connected! Surely noone will ever invent another bus or geometry! There will always be just one obvious way to enumerate things!
280 [01:56:44] * jelly jaded?
281 [01:58:09] <f91w2> yeah can't it just drilled down by /dev/bustype/bus_controllre_uuid/bus_terminal or something, those don't really change
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283 [01:58:21] <dka> I have downloaded a new bios version in lenovo. It is 6 .cab file with different name. They told me to fwupdmgr install xxx.cab , should I do it on each cab in random order?
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289 [02:00:45] <f91w2> petn-randall: do you know the speifics of the weird things, is gdisk GPT->MBR conversion unadvisable
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292 [02:01:22] <f91w2> so it says MBR is present but GPT is damaged
293 [02:01:24] <petn-randall> f91w2: Hard to say which table to wipe when it's not clear which one is used. And also you don't have backups, so I advise against doing anything.
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301 [02:03:25] <f91w2> petn-randall: yeah, looks like i'm just messed up for now
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303 [02:04:24] <petn-randall> f91w2: I'd find some space to make a backup, wipe the disk, and put a fresh partition table on it.
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308 [02:07:35] <f91w2> thank you!
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312 [02:12:09] <dka> Can I reboot after a bios upgrade
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315 [02:12:34] <dka> I did install a cab with fwupd and now i have blackscreen after grub
316 [02:12:42] <dka> I want to reboot. can i?
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319 [02:15:17] <X20Hunter> dka yes,Ctrl+alt+delet
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322 [02:17:07] <petn-randall> dka: Did `fwupdmgr refresh` not do it for you? I never had to manually download .cab files.
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389 [03:14:47] <noahmg123> The Next button in the Debian installer is greyed out when I select "install alongside". The partitions it shows as "after" also appear to be exactly the same as the "before". This is in the Debian Live environment.
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508 [05:27:49] <REentry> hello. i have to link some software against glibc 2.3.6 on powerpc, i tried to use jigdo-lite to grab debian 4.0 but most files are 404(i specified replaced-url
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510 [05:30:03] <REentry> i thought this would be easiest choice to use a ready toolchain, there's nothing like that out there now, it's 15 years old stuff, i thought i can just reassemble dvd-1 from jigdo but i cant
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525 [05:38:35] <os-41917> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY
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528 [05:40:09] <dvs> REentry, replaced-url
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531 [05:42:06] <REentry> dvs, yes, it doesn't have anything but netinst
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533 [05:43:07] <REentry> i'm notsure netinst would work if i cant even assemble a dvd from jigdo
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537 [05:44:19] <dvs> REentry, and pointing to the replaced-url
538 [05:45:33] <REentry> on the other hand i can try but that'd probably install a much newer versions of libc
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540 [05:46:33] <REentry> i get what you mean now, updating from mirrors would download latest files. i can try that
541 [05:46:36] <dvs> Really? It should be compatible with the libc that was initially released with etch
542 [05:46:54] <REentry> older intermediate release files are simply not there, you're right
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544 [05:47:03] <REentry> thanks
545 [05:47:24] <REentry> yes you're probably right about that too, will try
546 [05:48:14] <themill> libc compatibility is normally very good. Sure it actually needs the ancient libc?
547 [05:49:06] <REentry> i believe so. i tried newer buildroot with dietlibc and uclibc but syscall numbers are different there
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549 [05:49:20] <REentry> so i have no choice but to look for older glibc to link dynamically
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553 [05:51:40] <REentry> figured looking for as old as possible glibc would be the easiest answer to the problem to avoid further need to hexedit
554 [05:51:56] <REentry> as clo as possible i mean
555 [05:52:02] <REentry> s/clo/close/
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726 [09:04:40] <khreshgsye> .
727 [09:06:42] <jim> ,
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729 [09:07:02] <khreshgsye> MY ssd doesnt auto trim so I have to manually do it. I noticed that somethimes its only a few GB to trim, and other times its like 60GB... while i use the computer same way. what would be an explanation to this?
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731 [09:08:42] <jm_> how do you perform trim?
732 [09:09:03] <jim> what is 'to trim' in this context?
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740 [09:16:08] <khreshgsye> jim: sudo fstrim -v /
741 [09:16:34] <toruvinn> dont you mount it with 'discard' mount option?
742 [09:16:45] <jm_> fstrim always sends trim for entire free space, checked what fs reports?
743 [09:17:01] <jelly> toruvinn: that's discouraged these days
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745 [09:17:20] <toruvinn> oh, good to know, jelly.
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747 [09:17:21] <toruvinn> thanks.
748 [09:17:30] <khreshgsye> jim: and how should i trim then ?
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752 [09:19:32] <jim> khreshgsye, up to this point, I never understood what 'trim' even is
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757 [09:20:58] <khreshgsye> jim, i mean trimming the SSD
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759 [09:21:20] <khreshgsye> replaced-url
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763 [09:23:11] <jelly> jim: replaced-url
764 [09:24:04] <jim> jelly, thanks
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767 [09:24:52] <jim> khreshgsye, thanks too
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802 [09:51:03] <r1nt3c> sorry misstake.
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815 [10:07:48] <MidnightRanger> Greetings to all. I would like to change the settings in NetworkManager so that while I am connected to a vpn (with an ovpn file), I can keep alive the connection to my local network. Do you have any suggestions?
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860 [10:42:32] <Romu> HI everybody !
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868 [10:46:53] <Romu> I would like to copy a file to a printer, without use printer spool but directly as a in folder ( in fact this file is a script to generate custom labels)
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871 [10:48:01] <Romu> printer is ok on my debian, I can print as an standard printer, but now I would like to use this specific function of this printer.
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875 [10:50:08] <Romu> any ideas ?
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890 [10:55:32] <nevivurn> MidnightRanger: as in, access the local network not through the VPN?
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894 [10:58:12] <MidnightRanger> Let me explain the matter with an example:
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896 [10:58:32] <MidnightRanger> When I am not connected to my vpn
897 [10:59:08] <MidnightRanger> I can connect to my local nextcloud server
898 [10:59:47] <MidnightRanger> when I make a connection to my vpn
899 [11:00:06] <MidnightRanger> I lose all connectivity to my local servers
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904 [11:00:54] <MidnightRanger> I guess there is some setting in nm-applet that resolves this
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906 [11:01:39] <nevivurn> Assuming these servers are indeed local, whatever routes openvpn adds probably wouldn't take precedence over them. Are you accessing your "local" servers through a local IP?
907 [11:02:06] <MidnightRanger> yes
908 [11:02:38] <nevivurn> Hmm, can you print the output of `ip r` after you're connected to the VPN and the local IPs to the servers?
909 [11:02:40] <MidnightRanger> I have made additions to my /etc/hosts file
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913 [11:03:54] <nevivurn> Also check `ip r g ${ip_of_the_server}`
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917 [11:05:41] <MidnightRanger> I will check. Thank you for your time.
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961 [11:37:35] <Elirips> Hello. When dist-upgrading to buster, will the non-free firmware packages also be installed after the upgrade?
962 [11:38:19] <Elirips> .. so that wlan will just continue to work, or do I need to be prepared for no wlan after the dist-upgrade?
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965 [11:39:48] <rudi_s> Elirips: All packages are upgraded together so everything should continue working.
966 [11:40:24] <rudi_s> But carefully read the list of removed packages when doing apt full-upgrade just to be on the safe side.
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983 [11:59:13] <lembron> what packet is "time" in? - google is freaking impossible to answer this question, only false-positives
984 [12:00:13] <jm_> time is either shell built-in or time package
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987 [12:01:28] <jm_> packages.debian.org has no problem finding the answer
988 [12:01:36] <rudi_s> apt-file search /usr/bin/time
989 [12:03:29] <jelly> judd: file bin/time
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991 [12:03:36] <judd> Search for bin/time in buster/amd64: time: usr/bin/time
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994 [12:04:00] <jelly> lembron: ^ package is also named time
995 [12:04:42] <lembron> packages.debian.org UX is kinda horrific, those searchboxes gotta move above the freaking fold -.-
996 [12:05:00] <lembron> and thx, "may be shellbuildin" lead me down the right patch
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1003 [12:14:20] <Elirips> rudi_s: thanks
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1009 [12:17:05] <rudi_s> np
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1019 [12:25:42] <wondiws> hi, I have a HP Zbook Studio G5, but I have to disable the Nvidia graphic in the BIOS to have Debian not crash. This way I'm not able however to use an external monitor. Is there a better driver?
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1026 [12:29:58] <jm_> wondiws: which driver are you using?
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1029 [12:30:32] <jm_> also, have you configured bumblebee?
1030 [12:30:32] <wondiws> jm_, when Nvidia is enabled it's gotta be nouveau
1031 [12:30:46] <wondiws> jm_, I didn't install anything by hand
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1033 [12:31:01] <jm_> wondiws: replaced-url
1034 [12:31:22] <jm_> wondiws: that assumes nvidia driver AFAIK
1035 [12:32:04] <wondiws> jm_, I doubt it'll fix the stability problem
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1037 [12:32:38] <jm_> wondiws: so you are saying it does not crash due to nouveau?
1038 [12:32:57] <wondiws> jm_, no, I think it's probably because of nouveau
1039 [12:33:15] <jelly> nouveau was crap wrt stability, nvidia closed driver a LOT better for me; but on discrete cards, not optimus/bumblebee
1040 [12:33:37] <jelly> no experience with that
1041 [12:33:50] <wondiws> jm_, bumlebee implies nouveau, it's one of the first things it says on that page
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1043 [12:33:51] <jm_> wondiws: so why do you think nvidia driver will not help then?
1044 [12:34:22] <wondiws> jm_, then I will install bubmlebee-nvidia, it's a different package
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1046 [12:35:05] <wondiws> but right now I just want an external monitor, do I really need to enable NVIDIA graphic in the BIOS again to do that?
1047 [12:35:33] <jm_> no idea about that
1048 [12:36:37] <wondiws> I will try to enable NVIDIA in the BIOS again, then I will first try in Windows if that allows me to use external monitor, then I'll see about the proprietary nvidia driver. Bye for now ;)
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1067 [12:55:15] <NetTerminalGene> guys gnome-software process uses 106 Mb. can i disable it?
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1080 [12:59:39] <wondiws> ok, proprietary NVIDIA driver doesn't work either for me
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1092 [13:03:08] <Haohmaru> NetTerminalGene you use gnome? ;P~
1093 [13:03:30] <NetTerminalGene> Haudegen, yes. i found a solution i will test it later
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1109 [13:20:20] <qqz> how can I debootstrap Ubuntu focal
1110 [13:20:33] <qqz> does not work: debootstrap focal /dst/focal replaced-url
1111 [13:20:43] <qqz> E: No such script: /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/focal
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1122 [13:25:20] <EdePopede> !ubuntu
1123 [13:25:20] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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1125 [13:26:04] <Kevin7> replaced-url
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1127 [13:26:06] <KaitoDaumoto> YouTube Title: Messing with quake 3's source code Views: 538 Length: 3:08 Uploaded: 2015-10-20 User: Victor Victor Likes: 6 Dislikes: 0 Description: Messing with quake 3's source code
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1129 [13:28:56] <qqz> where does pbuilder-create install the chroot environment
1130 [13:28:58] <qqz> ?
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1165 [14:02:51] <dka> how can I see from which repo I have installed fwupd
1166 [14:02:59] <dka> I'd like to know if stable or backport
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1168 [14:06:50] <diogenes_> dka, probably: apt-cache policy <packagename>
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1214 [14:50:10] <sophy> 我的debian 没有声音怎么回事
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1269 [15:32:13] <busch> Why is "net.ipv4.ip_foward=1" not permanent anymore in buster?
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1273 [15:33:08] <Habbie> busch, net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1
1274 [15:33:11] <Habbie> busch, note the spelling
1275 [15:33:44] <busch> Habbie, Got it correct "net.ipv4.ip_forward" in /etc/sysctl.conf
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1278 [15:34:32] <dka> It's written here to run ./configure replaced-url
1279 [15:34:55] <dka> I am trying to build fprint from source, after cloning their repo, I run: ./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-pam , but I have the error: bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
1280 [15:35:05] <dka> What did I miss in the installation step to build fprint from source ?
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1282 [15:36:32] <dka> replaced-url
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1285 [15:38:03] <spacebug^> I imported my GPG keys with gpg --import, however they don't show up on gnomes keys program. Do I need to import them there also or do I just need to refresh somehow?
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1294 [15:42:53] <Habbie> dka, when getting something from git instead of a tarball, often ./configure is not included (because it is a generated file, not a file to be edited)
1295 [15:43:00] <Habbie> dka, the paragraph before your link hints at that
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1297 [15:43:15] <Habbie> dka, often there is a ./bootstrap(.sh) or ./autogen.sh to fix it - in this case, it's autogen.sh
1298 [15:43:52] <busch> Habbie, fixed. Got a strange char in the file
1299 [15:44:04] <Habbie> busch, ah
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1324 [15:57:17] <cybercrypto> !gcc-9-base
1325 [15:57:26] <Kremator> good day/night folks, in the debian website (replaced-url
1326 [15:57:34] <cybercrypto> ! gcc-9-base
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1328 [15:58:07] <Haohmaru> ,v gcc-9-base
1329 [15:58:08] <judd> Package: gcc-9-base on amd64 -- bullseye: 9.2.1-21; sid: 9.2.1-21
1330 [15:58:35] <cybercrypto> Haohmaru: thanks.
1331 [15:58:54] <Kremator> nvm my question, already found the answer browsing the site: replaced-url
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1335 [16:00:31] <dka> I am tyring to build libfrpint from source and I have this error when running `ninja -C build test` => replaced-url
1336 [16:00:59] <dka> Can I still install with `ninja -C build install` even if `ninja -C build test` failed 1 of 4 test?
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1389 [16:40:15] <f-a> I need would like to merge an audio file with a static image, to publish it on the web
1390 [16:40:20] <f-a> which program can I use?
1391 [16:40:30] <f-a> I would prefer command line, but anything will do
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1393 [16:42:01] <diogenes_> f-a, imagination.
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1396 [16:42:48] <f-a> that will do, thanks!
1397 [16:43:14] <diogenes_> you're welcome.
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1420 [16:55:47] <dka> where is the bot
1421 [16:55:56] <dka> ,version curl
1422 [16:55:58] <judd> Package: curl on amd64 -- jessie: 7.38.0-4+deb8u11; jessie-security: 7.38.0-4+deb8u16; stretch: 7.52.1-5+deb9u9; stretch-security: 7.52.1-5+deb9u9; buster: 7.64.0-4; bullseye: 7.67.0-2; sid: 7.67.0-2
1423 [16:56:27] <dka> ,help sid stable
1424 [16:56:42] <dka> ,version umockdev
1425 [16:56:43] <judd> Package: umockdev on amd64 -- jessie: 0.8.8-2; stretch: 0.8.12-1; buster: 0.12.1-2; bullseye: 0.13.2-1; sid: 0.13.2-1
1426 [16:56:56] <dka> ,ssd
1427 [16:57:05] <dka> ,help ssd
1428 [16:57:08] <Habbie> ,ssb
1429 [16:57:13] <Habbie> no, misremembered, sorry
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1432 [16:57:25] <dka> ,help ssb
1433 [16:57:29] <dka> ,help
1434 [16:57:30] <judd> (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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1438 [16:57:40] <dka> ,help package ssb
1439 [16:57:56] <dka> ,help ssb
1440 [16:58:09] <mtn> dka: use /msg to stop spamming the channel
1441 [16:58:09] <dka> damn, how do I install a package from sid ?
1442 [16:58:18] <dka> I did but judd wasn't responding
1443 [16:58:27] <dka> delay
1444 [16:58:37] <Haohmaru> are you running sid?
1445 [16:58:38] <jhutchins_wk> !ssb
1446 [16:58:39] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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1454 [17:01:47] <phantomcircuit> i am so very confused, what is iptables-legacy? and why does it show something different from iptables ?
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1480 [17:12:47] <trek00> phantomcircuit: iptables-legacy uses an old kernel interface
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1486 [17:16:06] <phantomcircuit> trek00, ok but i rebooted so these are from iptables-persistent and both tables where populated with the same thing
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1489 [17:16:17] <phantomcircuit> seems very odd
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1491 [17:16:42] <Akuw> apt -l is showing nothing
1492 [17:17:21] <trek00> phantomcircuit: there is only one table in the kernel, you can access it with two different interfaces
1493 [17:18:09] <trek00> Akuw: what you excepted?
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1496 [17:18:38] <phantomcircuit> trek00, changing things with iptables didn't change what iptables-legacy returns
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1498 [17:19:15] <phantomcircuit> me thinks that nftables based newness is actually a separate table
1499 [17:19:21] <dka> Is this normal that this is replaced-url
1500 [17:19:26] <trek00> phantomcircuit: my fault, it seems there are two different tables in the kernel
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1502 [17:19:39] <tds> phantomcircuit: yes - and iptables will now be iptables-nft, so a frontend to the nft tabkles
1503 [17:19:54] <tds> with the slight oddness that you can inject old iptables rules using nft, but let's ignore that for now ;)
1504 [17:20:00] <Akuw> dpkg -l is showing nothing
1505 [17:20:01] <dpkg> ii is showing nothing 2.4-14 akuw's private stamp collection
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1507 [17:20:11] <phantomcircuit> tds, so any idea why i got both of them on reboot? that's really my confusion
1508 [17:20:23] <tds> phantomcircuit: what does your current iptables point to?
1509 [17:20:29] <phantomcircuit> nft
1510 [17:20:51] <dka> I want to build from source fprintd, when i run make, I have replaced-url
1511 [17:20:54] <tds> hmm, assuming it was a symlink to iptables-nft on boot, the iptables-persistent scripts should've just used that
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1519 [17:23:44] <trek00> dka: it seems to fail only the tests, you could ignore them
1520 [17:23:59] <phantomcircuit> tds, yeah that's why im confused
1521 [17:24:11] <phantomcircuit> i'd expect one or the other but certainly not both to be populated
1522 [17:24:14] <tds> phantomcircuit: do you see exactly the same after another reboot?
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1524 [17:24:22] <rander2> hello all
1525 [17:25:39] <phantomcircuit> lets find out
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1532 [17:30:12] <phantomcircuit> tds, on reboot it's fine
1533 [17:30:21] <tds> awesome
1534 [17:30:37] <tds> was this after a stretch -> buster upgrade?
1535 [17:31:17] <tds> I think if you didn't reboot, and then at some point did `systemctl restart netfilter-persistent` or similar, it'd end up with the old iptables and the new iptables-nft rules loaded at once
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1540 [17:32:37] <phantomcircuit> tds, i definitely rebooted though... the entire point of upgrading was to get a new kernel
1541 [17:32:42] <phantomcircuit> shrug
1542 [17:32:48] <tds> how odd
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1554 [17:40:18] <rander2> I was looking if googlebot had visited my site, and i found this in access.log :
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1556 [17:40:32] <rander2> replaced-url
1557 [17:40:53] <Habbie> that's an open proxy scan
1558 [17:40:57] <Habbie> probably not from google :)
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1560 [17:41:40] <rander2> Yes, I understood this, but how may I re-build the original http request from log ?
1561 [17:41:52] <Habbie> you don't have enough information
1562 [17:41:56] <Habbie> you lack most of the headers
1563 [17:42:14] <Habbie> but curl can be convinced to ask replaced-url
1564 [17:42:21] <Akuw> what could be the reason dpkg -l is showing no output
1565 [17:42:25] <Habbie> curl -x is the easiest way
1566 [17:42:44] <Habbie> Akuw, empty output? or does it hang?
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1570 [17:43:41] <rander2> do they aso a url redirection ?
1571 [17:44:06] <Akuw> empty
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1573 [17:44:56] <jelly> Akuw: what if you use absolute path, "/usr/bin/dpkg -l"
1574 [17:45:26] <Akuw> jelly: same
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1576 [17:45:56] <jelly> Akuw: ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/status
1577 [17:46:21] <jelly> which debian release is this supposed to be, Akuw?
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1579 [17:46:24] <Habbie> rander2, do who use a url redirection?
1580 [17:46:38] <rander2> no
1581 [17:47:01] <rander2> the url redirection from http scan
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1583 [17:47:17] <Akuw> Jessie
1584 [17:47:23] <rander2> the url redirection was from http scan on my_server
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1587 [17:47:36] <Akuw> ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/status exist
1588 [17:47:41] <Akuw> its empty
1589 [17:47:49] <Habbie> rander2, i don't see any url redirection in your log
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1591 [17:48:53] <rander2> Habbie, In my log the request ask another page, so I think they test to use my server as proxy
1592 [17:49:07] <Habbie> rander2, yes, that is what i said :)
1593 [17:49:22] <Akuw> status is empty, how can i recreate that file
1594 [17:49:29] <Akuw> is a list of installed packages
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1598 [17:50:34] <rander2> Habbie, yes I thinkedthis, but from log may I rebuilt the http request ? I's strange they come from outdated windows machine, like xp or win7
1599 [17:50:39] <Habbie> rander2, they faked that
1600 [17:50:44] <Habbie> curl -A 'hello i am windows xp'
1601 [17:50:51] <rander2> win 6.1 is win7
1602 [17:50:56] <rander2> ahaaa
1603 [17:51:24] <rander2> it's full of cracker ..,
1604 [17:51:28] <rander2> crackers
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1610 [17:55:19] <trek00> Akuw: from backup if there are
1611 [17:56:23] <trek00> Akuw: you could have a /var/lib/dpkg/status-old file
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1621 [18:01:10] <Akuw> its empty
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1625 [18:04:08] <trek00> Akuw: check also /var/backups/dpkg.status.*
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1629 [18:07:45] <Akuw> well
1630 [18:07:47] <Akuw> restored
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1633 [18:08:24] <Akuw> but only dpkg.status.3.gz has info
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1637 [18:08:51] <Akuw> why dpkg.status.1.gz
1638 [18:08:55] <trek00> Akuw: may be it was deleted 1 month ago
1639 [18:09:02] <Akuw> does not has info?
1640 [18:09:09] <Akuw> no
1641 [18:09:12] <Akuw> is a new install
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1644 [18:11:00] <trek00> Akuw: which dates they have?
1645 [18:11:11] <rander2> curl -x is a proxy request _
1646 [18:11:13] <rander2> ?
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1648 [18:11:18] <trek00> Akuw: when those backups were created?
1649 [18:12:19] <trek00> rander2: yes, it specifies the proxy to use: curl -x proxy.address url.to.be.visited
1650 [18:12:47] <rander2> ok, yes, I found it in the man pages
1651 [18:12:49] <rander2> thx
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1655 [18:14:19] <RonWhoCares> Do you stop crons from running using: systemctl stop cron
1656 [18:14:27] <Akuw> where is the list of available packages to install?
1657 [18:15:34] <dka> I am trying to build fwupd from source and this is the log : replaced-url
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1664 [18:17:42] <trek00> Akuw: apt list but you should use a package manager like synaptic or aptitude
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1668 [18:18:14] <rander2> access.log it's full of strange request...I found all in it
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1675 [18:20:16] <trek00> dka: may be it search umockdev pkgconfig and not umockdev-1.0, you could be able to specify the paths on the command line of meson, but i don't know meson
1676 [18:20:49] <dka> it does build but fail to ninja replaced-url
1677 [18:20:51] <trek00> RonWhoCares: this command should stop cron and its jobs, but not the systemd timers
1678 [18:20:55] <dka> it does configure
1679 [18:21:18] <RonWhoCares> So that will stop cron jobs in /etc/cron.d
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1682 [18:23:38] <rander2> by default curl -X use http protocol ?
1683 [18:23:43] <trek00> RonWhoCares: yes, but some of them are replaced by systemd timers and you need another command to stop them
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1688 [18:24:57] <trek00> rander2: it should depend by the url, it could be http https or ftp
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1712 [18:39:33] <rander2> basically by default curluse http proxy at 1080 tcp port. curl --proxy site.com:80 site_proxyed
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1722 [18:44:47] <rander2> very interesting curl, it's a swiss army knife.Now I understand where all these strange queries come from in apache access.log
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1751 [18:56:11] <johnfg> hi folks
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1754 [18:56:40] <johnfg> I still haven't gotten openvpn client to start with systemd. It starts and runs fine from the cli though.
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1768 [19:01:03] <johnfg> replaced-url
1769 [19:01:13] <dka> How can I found why "fprintd-list" return "No devices found", lsbusb show the device, what can cause fprint-list to fail? I builded fprintd and libfprint from source without trouble
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1772 [19:04:21] <tomreyn> johnfg: quoting your logs (ovpn-client): "Linux ip link set failed: could not execute external program" is followed by "Exiting due to fatal error"
1773 [19:04:54] <tomreyn> the command that apparently fails is "/sbin/ip link set dev tun0 up mtu 1500"
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1776 [19:05:00] <greycat> deja vu all over again
1777 [19:05:41] <tds> johnfg: could you get that full strace output from the other day?
1778 [19:05:53] <tds> that should hopefully show what ip tried and failed to do
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1780 [19:06:06] <greycat> johnfg was here talking about this same problem on Friday. Logs are at replaced-url
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1782 [19:06:19] <tomreyn> thanks greycat
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1785 [19:07:22] <jhutchins_wk> Shouldn't the journal show why openvpn isn't starting?
1786 [19:07:38] <greycat> Apparently it's not starting because something tries to execute /sbin/ip blah blah and fails.
1787 [19:08:03] <johnfg> greycat: I did that, and whereis ip shows /bin/ip and /sbin/ip.
1788 [19:08:11] <greycat> The question then is *why* does /sbin/ip blah blah fail? The attempts to get an strace of it were... apparently less than successful.
1789 [19:08:28] <tds> I think we almost got there, just never with -f to see what ip itself was doing!
1790 [19:08:52] <johnfg> greycat: tds: where do I paste an output bigger than dpaste will accept?
1791 [19:09:09] <greycat> You should find the relevant part YOURSELF and paste that part.
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1795 [19:09:50] <greycat> It can't be that hard to open a text file in an editor, search for /sbin/ip, find the line that looks like the right one, go up 100 lines, delete to top of file, go down 200 lines, delete to end of file.
1796 [19:09:58] <tds> going from the end with however many lines you're allowed is probably the most useful option
1797 [19:10:06] <tds> take the last 1000 or 100 or whatever, it'll probably do
1798 [19:10:19] <greycat> assuming they stopped the strace at the right moment
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1800 [19:10:41] <tds> openvpn itself was exiting in this scenario, so it should be ok
1801 [19:10:42] <nvz> grep -B100 -A100 <pattern> <file>
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1805 [19:11:53] <johnfg> What do you think of my reinstalling openvpn itself? Is there a way to have it overwrite any service files?
1806 [19:12:12] <greycat> Purge package. Install package. That's the easiest way.
1807 [19:12:28] <greycat> Of course, any LOCALLY modified service files in /etc/systemd/ will have to be removed by hand.
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1810 [19:12:52] <johnfg> And, is the best, most proper way to start openvpn client with systemd, openvpn-client@client.service (since my conf file is client.conf)?
1811 [19:13:01] <tds> yes
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1819 [19:17:04] <johnfg> After purging, and in the install of openvpn, I got the suggestion of: openvpn-systemd-resolved
1820 [19:17:17] <johnfg> So, I'm assuming maybe that's the fix?
1821 [19:17:52] <GenTooMan> how does one activate tap to click for a touch pad in debian 10.2 in LXDE?
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1823 [19:19:39] <johnfg> Unfortunately, the errors appear to be the same after the purge and install of the 2 pkgs.
1824 [19:19:42] <johnfg> I
1825 [19:19:58] <johnfg> I'll add the strace, and get you guys the info from the log.
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1830 [19:24:39] <enoch> Hi guys, I'm having some troubles trying to send emails using an smtps server. I tryied verious classes but I always get an ssl releated error: "dh key too small". I'm on debian 10 and I'm using PHP 7.3, do you have any idea on how to fix it?
1831 [19:26:15] <johnfg> replaced-url
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1837 [19:28:05] <johnfg> Here's the success from the cli: replaced-url
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1846 [19:30:52] <Tenkawa> oops
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1859 [19:36:49] <johnfg> Any ideas or thoughts on the openvpn problem?
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1863 [19:37:57] <rander2> when I surf on web with my smartphone, the request come from a google IP ( i look access.log of apache). Is it normal ?
1864 [19:38:42] <rander2> 66.249.81.190 is a google IP, I see the request coma from it
1865 [19:39:09] <rander2> really google spy so much ??
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1873 [19:42:41] <johnfg> fwiw, I've also got an apache2 problem since the upgrade to buster :-(
1874 [19:42:56] <johnfg> But I'll get the openvpn problem solved first, hopefully.
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1884 [19:48:18] <dka> I need hard to compile fwupd from source, I did : `git clone git@github.com:fwupd/fwupd.git && cd fwupd && meson build && ninja -C build`. I have many errors such as " undefined reference to `xb_builder_source_ctx_get_bytes'" or "argument builder: Unresolved type: 'JsonBuilder*'" this is the result of the logs ====> replaced-url
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1887 [19:49:03] <st-gourichon-fid> Hi. I'm trying to re-debianize a package that uses a very old debian/ subdir and run into trouble. Is it a correct place to ask for guidance?
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1894 [19:49:57] <B|ack0p> hi
1895 [19:50:02] <nvz> yes
1896 [19:50:04] <st-gourichon-fid> Hi B|ack0p
1897 [19:50:08] <st-gourichon-fid> Thanks nvz.
1898 [19:50:41] <nvz> st-gourichon-fid: maybe #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net could help or try one of the mailing lists
1899 [19:50:54] <tds> johnfg: was that strace with -f ?
1900 [19:51:04] <nvz> st-gourichon-fid: either way you probably wanna reach the audience of maintainers who have been around as long as that packaging scheme
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1903 [19:51:45] <st-gourichon-fid> Mkay. The package is relatively simple. It builds one binary, installs a man page. I can redebianize from scratch if needed.
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1907 [19:52:24] <nvz> st-gourichon-fid: yeah, if you are familiar with the system that may be an easier option.. idk.. I am not intimately familiar with that stuff
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1911 [19:53:08] <nvz> st-gourichon-fid: #debian-mentors on OFTC is where people go to learn to package for debian.. Debian Devs and Maintainers hang out there and offer guidance, they may be of more help
1912 [19:53:25] <nvz> st-gourichon-fid: here we are just users supporting users with general stuff
1913 [19:55:36] <tds> johnfg: if you can get that again with -f, it should at least show what ip is attempting (and failing) to do
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1917 [19:56:52] <rander2> I'm surfing on my website with a android phone,and in access.olg I see the request come from google's IP. Google spy all, incredible !!!
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1919 [19:57:20] <|{|{|{|}|}|}|> are you sure that's not the google spider ?
1920 [19:57:25] <ksk> rander2: most likely an option you crossed.. "make surfing faster" - totally offtopic
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1923 [19:57:35] <|{|{|{|}|}|}|> yeah what ksk said
1924 [19:57:54] <rander2> ok,excuse me for off topic, but I never found it before
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1926 [19:58:09] <st-gourichon-fid> Okay thanks nvz for clarifying.
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1928 [19:58:50] <rander2> |{|{|{|}|}|}|, no, the url is from the phone, tail -f access.log
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1944 [20:02:28] <tw> Is there a tool for minimizing disk images for archiving? Example: I have a 1TB raw disk image from ddrescue, and would like to pack it into a browseable or mountable image file for read-only archiving. There's a chance I might have to put it back on physical hardware someday, but it's slim. Was thinking about converting to compressed qcow2, but I want to discard all of the unused/unreferenced blocks. FS is
1945 [20:02:30] <tw> ntfs from win2k8, getting replaced by a virtualized samba instance.
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1950 [20:03:41] <rander2> how is it possible that by requesting a url from an android smartphone, on access.log you can see the question coming from google?
1951 [20:04:30] <rander2> I tried with 2 different smartphones, from different telephone operators
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1953 [20:05:10] <johnfg> replaced-url
1954 [20:05:46] <rander2> instead of phone operators I read 66.249.81.x/24 , that are google IP
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1957 [20:06:27] <|{|{|{|}|}|}|> rander2: because you are using Google as a proxy
1958 [20:06:31] <|{|{|{|}|}|}|> to speed up your webbrowing
1959 [20:06:34] <tw> rander2: not really a debian question there. If I had to guess, goog is doing an AMP lookup.
1960 [20:07:25] <rander2> |{|{|{|}|}|}|, is it enable by default ?
1961 [20:07:32] <|{|{|{|}|}|}|> Don't know rander2
1962 [20:07:33] <|{|{|{|}|}|}|> probably
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1964 [20:08:51] <rander2> it's strange...it look as mass surveillance
1965 [20:09:13] <|{|{|{|}|}|}|> Google got evil
1966 [20:09:20] <|{|{|{|}|}|}|> that's why they removed the motto
1967 [20:10:27] <rander2> I would like make a smartphone with raspberry
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1970 [20:10:41] <rander2> without android
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1974 [20:11:25] <rander2> open source is a island of freedom
1975 [20:11:31] <|{|{|{|}|}|}|> yes rander2
1976 [20:11:31] <GenTooMan> I believe their are several linux builds for smart phones
1977 [20:11:32] <nvz> yeah well don't hold your breath
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1979 [20:11:38] <|{|{|{|}|}|}|> how is this relevant to #debian though
1980 [20:11:39] <nvz> especially if you're in the US
1981 [20:11:40] <tw> rander2: sailfish or pureos, but you're off topic for #debian at this point
1982 [20:12:00] <|{|{|{|}|}|}|> tw: is Debian GNU/Hurd relevant here
1983 [20:12:09] <nvz> heh
1984 [20:12:29] <nvz> is *HURD* relevant anywhere as more than a joke?
1985 [20:12:34] <tw> I don't know, is debian gnu/freebsd?
1986 [20:12:41] <tw> *shrug*
1987 [20:13:07] <rander2> I must try to another browser, maybe it's only a setting
1988 [20:13:19] <nvz> I heard even Stallman saying something to the effect recently that hurd really isnt necessary anymore..
1989 [20:13:39] <tw> I think this virt-sparsify tool from libguestfs-tools might be what I want.
1990 [20:13:42] <rander2> Stallman is a giant, I meet one time here in Italy
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1992 [20:14:36] <jhutchins_wk> Could we get back on topic here please?
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1996 [20:15:56] <|{|{|{|}|}|}|> nvz: stallman is gone
1997 [20:16:07] <|{|{|{|}|}|}|> he has no standing in the OSS community post-Epstein
1998 [20:16:22] <nvz> heh.. yeah we are way off topic here
1999 [20:16:40] <tw> seems like virt-sparsify doesn't understand ntfs.
2000 [20:16:43] <rander2> Epstein...I know the story, very very bad
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2002 [20:18:10] <nkuttler> !ot
2003 [20:18:10] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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2005 [20:19:53] <Hellphyre23> exit
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2015 [20:24:25] <rander2> Stallman fall has fallen in a trap for me. topic closed
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2022 [20:25:26] <tw> what's the default automounter in deb10 desktop and how do I turn it off? It unmounted a filesystem I had in /mnt and moved it to /media, but since I had parts of it loop mounted, it failed to unmount/remount and now I can't remount the fs anywhere.
2023 [20:26:04] <nvz> tw: there is no deb10 desktop.. there are 7 main DEs in Debian 10, and others.. udisk/gvfsd are probably the key players
2024 [20:26:18] <nvz> !which de
2025 [20:26:18] <dpkg> To figure out which Desktop Environment you are using, open a terminal and type the following command: `echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP` see also <which dm> <which x>.
2026 [20:26:31] <greycat> There isn't a single "deb10 desktop". You might be running gnome, kde, lxde, something else, or nothing.
2027 [20:26:48] <nvz> which is why I made the which de, which dm, which x factoids :P
2028 [20:26:50] <tw> It's the default gnome desktop you get when you select "debian desktop" in tasksel.
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2030 [20:27:03] <greycat> another thing I *hate* :(
2031 [20:27:06] <nvz> cause things are getting a little complex in that area these days
2032 [20:27:25] <nvz> yes, I'm not fond of that either..
2033 [20:27:32] <greycat> if you just say "desktop" in the installer, but don't say which one, the installer will choose one for you, and what you get will depend on which installer image you downloaded
2034 [20:27:34] <tw> it's udisk2, thanks.
2035 [20:27:46] <tw> will figure out the kill part on my own.
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2037 [20:27:58] <nvz> good luck with that :P
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2039 [20:28:09] <nvz> you can just reconfigure it of course
2040 [20:28:50] <nvz> in MATE/GNOME and such those settings would likely be in dconf or the like
2041 [20:29:21] <nvz> cause trying to kill udisk2 or gvfsd may not be as easy as you think and it does more than what you think
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2045 [20:29:49] <nvz> would likely kill your ability to do all sorts of stuff
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2049 [20:30:10] <nvz> your lack of interest in doing it right only fuels my lack of interest in telling you how to do it right :P
2050 [20:30:22] <nvz> something to consider when asking questions in that manner
2051 [20:30:57] * nvz has VMs in saved states with all the DEs for this kinda thing
2052 [20:31:19] * nvz isn't gonna use em for someone who already is set on doing something silly
2053 [20:32:07] <johnfg> Gotta leave in a few for 2nd job. Anything else I should try to get openvpn working?
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2056 [20:36:14] <johnfg> I'll leave irssi up and running, in case you have anything else for me to do.
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2058 [20:37:06] <nvz> yeah unfortunately unless you use mailing lists, our current support model doesnt make ongoing support over irc likely.. cause I was here earlier and I dont even know what your issue is
2059 [20:37:35] <nvz> there is no central system tracking your issue and keeping all the info in one place for someone to reference
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2062 [20:38:18] * nvz has proposed such but isn't gonna tackle that beast without an army :P
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2071 [20:42:57] <dka> apparently arch is rolling release, is it similar to debian ?
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2073 [20:43:06] <dka> can I change easely? so i dont have any version issue
2074 [20:43:07] <greycat> no
2075 [20:43:12] <greycat> no
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2079 [20:44:43] <nvz> no
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2081 [20:44:54] * nvz felt a 3rd no was apropo there..
2082 [20:45:10] <nvz> even though the 3rd question mark was missing
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2085 [20:45:36] <dka> I mean, not change the system but change the habits, is it similar to debian?
2086 [20:45:49] <nvz> habits?
2087 [20:45:56] <nvz> your systems have habits?
2088 [20:45:58] <greycat> They're both Linux/Unix systems.
2089 [20:46:09] <nvz> is there a systems rehab program for that?
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2091 [20:46:37] <dvs> I think dka means behaviors
2092 [20:46:45] <dka> ,sbb
2093 [20:46:48] <nvz> even still..
2094 [20:46:57] <nvz> dpkg, tell dka about ssb
2095 [20:46:59] <dka> this does not work /msg judd sdd
2096 [20:47:01] <greycat> On a really stupidly vague sliding scale, switching from one Linux to another is easier than switching from Linux/BSD or BSD/Linux, and that would be MUCH HUGELY EASIER than going from Windows to any Linux or BSD.
2097 [20:47:54] <dka> ,version libgusb2
2098 [20:47:55] <judd> Package: libgusb2 on amd64 -- jessie: 0.1.6-5; stretch: 0.2.9-1+b1; bullseye: 0.3.0-1; buster: 0.3.0-1; sid: 0.3.0-1
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2100 [20:48:07] <dka> How can I get 0.3.1 ?
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2102 [20:48:18] <greycat> compile upstream
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2104 [20:48:27] <dka> from source?
2105 [20:48:30] <greycat> assuming upstream of that thing is at least 0.3.1
2106 [20:48:31] <dka> clone their repo and build?
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2108 [20:49:05] <nvz> did something meaningful change in libgusb2 between 0.3.0 and 0.3.1?
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2110 [20:49:14] <nvz> or are you just suffering from SNS Syndrome?
2111 [20:49:26] <dka> what is SNS syntdrome?
2112 [20:49:30] <greycat> !sns
2113 [20:49:31] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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2115 [20:50:19] <dka> The reason why I want to upgrade to 0.3.1 is because I need fwupd 1.3.5 and I am not able to build from source. I see people that use 1.3.5 use libgusb 0.3.1
2116 [20:50:28] <dka> I believe that would help me build fwupd 1.3.5
2117 [20:50:32] <nvz> thats just silly
2118 [20:50:40] <dka> I am just gessing but no SDS I think
2119 [20:50:47] <nvz> ,v fwupd
2120 [20:50:48] <judd> Package: fwupd on amd64 -- stretch: 0.7.4-2; buster: 1.2.5-2; bullseye: 1.3.4-1; sid: 1.3.5-1
2121 [20:50:53] <dka> god
2122 [20:50:55] <dka> thanks bro
2123 [20:51:11] <dvs> !ssb
2124 [20:51:11] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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2126 [20:51:28] <nvz> you'd just use the simple sid backport method to build sid's 1.3.5 against buster's libraries.. like libgusb 0.3.0-1
2127 [20:52:05] <greycat> ,checkbackport fwupd
2128 [20:52:13] <nvz> if you arent yet savvy enough to figure these use-cases out just come here and ask for help.. for the best path.. but be broad in your questions.. just say the overall picture of what you're trying to accomplish
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2130 [20:52:20] <judd> Backporting package fwupd in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libxmlb-dev (>= 0.1.13).
2131 [20:52:33] <nvz> ,v libxmlb-dev
2132 [20:52:34] <judd> Package: libxmlb-dev on amd64 -- buster: 0.1.6-2; bullseye: 0.1.14-1; sid: 0.1.14-1
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2134 [20:52:38] <greycat> ,checkbackport libxmlb-dev
2135 [20:52:39] <judd> Backporting package libxmlb-dev in sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster.
2136 [20:52:49] <greycat> so maybe if you backport libxmlb-dev first...
2137 [20:53:00] <nvz> you don't usually need to "backport" a dev you would however need to backport the binary version
2138 [20:53:12] <nvz> the -dev is just the headers usually..
2139 [20:53:12] <greycat> another strategy is "stop doing whatever you're doing that makes you think you need sid's version of fwupd"
2140 [20:53:25] <dka> replaced-url
2141 [20:53:39] <dka> this is the topic, people solve the fingerprint issue on x1 c7 using fwupd to detect the finger print
2142 [20:53:55] <nvz> yeah.. this is why you need to be broad in what you're trying to do and why.. else you get way down past an X -> Y -> Z problem into archaic alphabets..
2143 [20:53:56] <dka> it's xmas weekoff, I have time for this
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2145 [20:54:13] <dka> they say on the topic if you read it that we need 1.3.5
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2147 [20:56:23] <nvz> ,i fwupd
2148 [20:56:24] <judd> Package fwupd (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Firmware update daemon. Version: 1.2.5-2; Size: 2313.9k; Installed: 8398k; Homepage: replaced-url
2149 [20:56:45] <dvs> ???
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2151 [20:56:51] <nvz> idk wtf that is exactly but I highly doubt a daemon is required for anything that may need newer firmware
2152 [20:56:57] <dvs> A package just to get the latest firmware?
2153 [20:56:59] <nvz> much less a newer version of it
2154 [20:57:26] <nvz> if it is, take whatever you bought, and shove it sideways up the rear of someone who makes/sells them and tell them you want your money back :P
2155 [20:57:45] <dka> well, I am doing it, I have install libxmlb-dev and now I am compiling fwupd
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2157 [20:58:22] <nvz> dka: you using buster? and the libxmlb-dev from sid/bullseye?
2158 [20:58:25] <Habbie> i didn't read all - why do you need a newer fwupd?
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2160 [20:58:46] <dvs> Habbie, to get the fingerprint scanner working.
2161 [20:58:54] <dka> yes
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2163 [20:59:00] <nvz> all that thing does is build firmware from github near as I can tell
2164 [20:59:01] <Habbie> dvs, i read dka's url but i don't see how one is related to the other
2165 [20:59:02] <dka> apparenyly
2166 [20:59:19] <dvs> Habbie, me neither. ;-)
2167 [20:59:29] <dka> 8/18 synaptics-prometheus-self-test OK 0.03 s
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2169 [20:59:43] <dka> this is happening when I build a dep that dep of fwupd
2170 [20:59:53] <dka> and it is about the fix for my finger printer reader
2171 [20:59:56] <dka> it's explain on the link
2172 [21:00:16] <bipul> Just asking how to add packages in .iso pool ?
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2174 [21:00:55] <bipul> I'm trying to create a preseed file that takes the define packages from .iso file
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2176 [21:01:25] <nvz> so in which case X marks the spot, your problem is actually getting newer firmware for something from github, but you went to Y which is installing a new fwupd that you didn't need which went to Z which was getting a newer libgusb you didn't need to Z which is getting a libxmlb-dev from sid which will compile something that probably wont work with buster's libxmlb which brings us to problem Θ (theta) which
2177 [21:01:31] <nvz> is you're not using the thing on your neck for something other than a hatrack and follwing one piece of silly advice on a forum blindly
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2181 [21:02:16] <bipul> Does anyone know how to & where to place in .iso for preseed installation ?
2182 [21:02:25] <dka> nvz what thing from github?
2183 [21:02:27] <nvz> most firmwares are a single binary wget to /lib/firmware, and even if its more than that, you can cut out Y, Z, Theta.. and just get the damn firmware upstream and build THAT
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2185 [21:02:59] <nvz> dka: if you actually READ and UNDERSTOOD the forum you posted (I only glanced about 3 seconds literally at it), its all just getting new firmware from github and building it
2186 [21:03:18] <nvz> which is the only bit of all the run around you're doing that you actually need
2187 [21:04:08] <dka> Good
2188 [21:04:12] <dka> It seems to work now
2189 [21:04:30] <dka> I can get the firmware upgrade because from LVFS it is detected
2190 [21:04:39] * nvz shrugs and tries not to roll his eyes out of his head
2191 [21:05:17] <dka> Yohhouu
2192 [21:05:18] <dka> it work
2193 [21:05:24] <dka> User dka has no fingers enrolled for Synaptics Sensors.
2194 [21:05:27] <dka> found 1 devices
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2202 [21:06:42] <nvz> fprintd-enroll is the commandline version, but my DE MATE can do it in the About Me thing
2203 [21:07:19] <nvz> System > Pref > Personal > About Me allows for changing passwords and enrolling fingerprints
2204 [21:07:34] <nvz> works on my T440
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2209 [21:09:40] <dka> since I have now installed the finger print rinder, how can I used it on my Debian ? I use cinnamon and I have grub loader.
2210 [21:09:49] <jhutchins_wk> bipul: I would suggest that you find and read the documentation for preseed. You would probably build and test your preseed, then copy the files from the .iso to a work folder, add the preseed and edit the boot parameters to run it, then re-master the iso.
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2213 [21:10:18] <dka> nvz, read : replaced-url
2214 [21:10:27] <dka> why do you think people are stupid?
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2218 [21:10:49] <jhutchins_wk> bipul: I used a similar process with kickstart to create auto-install CDs in CentOS.
2219 [21:10:51] <dka> I mean, always stupid. this guy clearly know what I did for the last days trying to break through, and I have followed this discussion for month
2220 [21:10:57] <dka> before attempting anything
2221 [21:11:06] <nvz> jhutchins_wk: see cross-post on OFTC..
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2223 [21:11:26] <bipul> Yes i wanted to place my packages into pool/main/ jhutchins_wk
2224 [21:11:35] <jhutchins_wk> bipul: You can also point to a preseed file either on the CD or on some other media from the boot command line in grub.
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2226 [21:11:57] <bipul> jhutchins_wk, can you please show me some examples.
2227 [21:12:09] <dka> Is there a finger print gui on debian?
2228 [21:12:14] <jhutchins_wk> bipul: That requires essentially building a replica of the on-disk repository and adding the packages to that. Simpler to just install them from a known location.
2229 [21:12:23] <nvz> dka: I just told you how I do it both command line and gui
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2231 [21:12:39] <nvz> and I'm on a Lenovo Thinkpad T440
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2233 [21:12:54] <dka> do you use windows?
2234 [21:13:01] <bipul> Link please.
2235 [21:13:24] <bipul> I would like to point inside .iso images.
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2239 [21:15:19] <nvz> dka: replaced-url
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2242 [21:17:15] <nvz> does that look like windows? :P its Debian 10.2 "Buster"
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2244 [21:17:24] <dka> that does not look like my debian
2245 [21:17:27] <dka> I do not have that menu
2246 [21:17:33] <dka> I use cinnamon
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2250 [21:18:38] <serverman> im a kde user myself
2251 [21:18:50] <nvz> serverman: I'm sorry to hear that.
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2253 [21:19:08] <serverman> :)
2254 [21:19:18] * nvz installs fprintd on the cinnamon vm and attaches the fingerprint reader to the vm
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2256 [21:20:11] <dka> I have added a finger print for my using from command line using fprintd-enroll, how can I use this fingerprint for login in cinnamon ?
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2261 [21:21:35] <nvz> this is why I recomment MATE for people who don't know better, cause its a mature feature-complete desktop.. near as I can tell the cinnamon "Account Details" thing doesn't also do fingerprints
2262 [21:21:59] <nvz> dka: actually using fingerprint login requires some PAM modifications.. I can show you mine
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2265 [21:23:12] <dka> Can I use fingerprint-gui on debian? It does not seems so
2266 [21:23:32] <nvz> dka: this is the file /etc/pam.d/common-auth replaced-url
2267 [21:23:41] <nvz> you see I added the line for fprind there
2268 [21:23:53] <nvz> that enables fingerprint logins everywhere on my system
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2270 [21:24:41] <nvz> and as for using some retarded ubuntu ppa on debian for something you don't actually NEED a gui for and could write a bash/zenity script in 5 minutes tops for.. no.. its a bad, horrible, terrible idea
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2272 [21:24:44] <dka> nvz, how do I know if i need it ? This is my /etc/pam.d/common-auth replaced-url
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2274 [21:25:29] <nvz> dka: you have no entry there for pam_fprind.so
2275 [21:25:34] <dka> I use pam_ldap.so minimum_uid=10000 and I need to keep it
2276 [21:25:42] <dka> Because I am myself an ldap user
2277 [21:25:54] <nvz> ugh..
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2279 [21:26:23] <nvz> yeah well idk about all that.. I know that my setup it tries fingerprint 3 times, on fail it reverts to the next thing.. which is password
2280 [21:26:27] <dka> where have you find those change? I can't apply it without more details
2281 [21:26:34] <nvz> and I know you need pam to be aware of fprintd to use it
2282 [21:26:38] <dka> I have pam
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2284 [21:26:45] <nvz> @.@
2285 [21:26:50] <dka> I have compiled fprintd with --enable-pam
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2287 [21:27:18] <dka> What is auth optional pam_cap.so for?
2288 [21:27:22] <nvz> you're on your own.. I've given you all the help I can/will on this issue
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2290 [21:27:48] <greycat> "man pam_cap" might know
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2294 [21:29:01] <dka> I have added `auth [success=3 default=ignore] pam_fprintd.so max_tries=1 timeout=10` to my files but I didn't add `auth optional pam_cap.so `
2295 [21:29:07] <dka> how can I test it ?
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2297 [21:31:50] <nvz> by attempting a su, sudo, login, whatever
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2301 [21:32:57] <nvz> the user has to have enrolled fingerprints or it won't trigger fprintd and I am fairly sure the order matters somehow.. I dont know the details
2302 [21:33:12] <nvz> idk if its the order they're listed in there, or what
2303 [21:33:25] <nvz> I just know adding that line to my file made it work for me
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2305 [21:34:00] <nvz> and i know mine, as it is, does fingerprint 3 times, if fails all 3 times, it reverts to asking for a password
2306 [21:34:43] <nvz> and lightdm will allow password (box is there for it) but it will not login with correct password supplied until you fail the fingerprint all three times
2307 [21:34:54] <nvz> thats something I was gonna look into at some point but haven't
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2311 [21:36:54] <nvz> cause really I'd prefer something more like will accept either but I doubt pam can handle being ready for both password and fingerprint at same time
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2322 [21:41:05] <nvz> cause while a GUI could offer both easily, readline or such would not be able to.. and pam works with all that crap
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2325 [21:41:36] <nvz> so I never bothered looking into it cause I figured it'd require some redesigning of things
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2331 [21:49:55] <tw> nvz: regarding udisks2 how do I get it to ignore any loop images added by kpartx -a <image> and also any removable storage device plugged into one specific usb host bus, bus.04 ports 1 & 2?
2332 [21:50:18] <nvz> tw: ah, thats some highly specific stuff there :D
2333 [21:50:46] <dka> do i need to reboot?
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2335 [21:50:47] <tw> "all uas storage" is fine.
2336 [21:50:59] <nvz> I was thinking more along the lines of just disabling automounting.. but I'm sure what you wanna do is doable enough
2337 [21:50:59] <tw> I think I'm better off w/o it, is all.
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2340 [21:51:24] <tw> Didn't see automount in the udisks2.conf, it must be somewhere else.
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2342 [21:51:36] <tw> polkit or somesuch
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2344 [21:52:18] <nvz> tw: you familiar with udev?
2345 [21:52:29] <tw> Familiar enough to write my own rules, yes.
2346 [21:52:31] <nvz> tw: seems to be a ENV{UDISKS_PRESENTATION_HIDE}="1" directive you can match devices with
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2348 [21:52:46] <nvz> for the matching of certain ports or such
2349 [21:52:49] <dka> nvz, I have restarted and even using your pam configuration there are no change, I am not able to login with fingerprint
2350 [21:53:02] <nvz> tw: udev would be the way to go for something as specific as what you mentioned
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2353 [21:53:16] <dka> replaced-url
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2355 [21:53:27] <nvz> tw: if you're already familiar with matching criteria and rules, that directive is probably all you need
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2357 [21:53:47] <nvz> tw: and I wouldn't mind hearing if you resolve that.. as I've never done that before
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2362 [21:54:42] <dka> oh... my fingerprint didn't persist after reboot.
2363 [21:54:44] <nvz> using an ACTION add|change with some specifics and that should do the trick I'd think
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2366 [21:55:04] <dka> it did, but it wasn't boot until now..... how can I make the fingerprint boot earlier?
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2374 [22:01:34] <dka> How can I use fingerprint reader on debian ?
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2378 [22:03:17] <dka> nvz, is your configuration from debian ? replaced-url
2379 [22:03:24] <dka> because I try to read pam_cap and I see ubuntu
2380 [22:03:28] <dka> replaced-url
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2388 [22:06:49] <greycat> you typed "man pam_cap" on Debian and the man page says "Ubuntu"? that isn't what I get.
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2419 [22:34:05] <dka> the pam file didn't work so I am reverting =/
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2423 [22:37:09] <dka> how can I use the fingerprint reader on debian? I don't see any GUI.
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2437 [22:43:49] <backupluis> Everytime I want to create a desktop shortcut I have to spend more than our searching on the net how to do a basic thing, Im a little stupid by the way but on a desktop os have to search how to create a shortcut on the desktop is more than me
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2439 [22:44:49] <greycat> sounds like you haven't found the best desktop for yourself yet
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2442 [22:45:42] <greycat> if you highly prioritize "ability to create a desktop shortcut, easily" then ask people which desktop(s) or window manager(s) have that feature
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2444 [22:46:33] <backupluis> Im using gnome, the one that came with debian, but really, I cant believe, then when I figure out how to create the shortcut, some days after they dissapears, by an unpdate or I dont know why but now I have no desktop icosn
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2447 [22:47:26] <backupluis> some sites talk about drag .desktop file from /usr/share/applications to the desktop, I cant drag a file to the desktop or I dont know how to drag, being at 50 and using computers since 14
2448 [22:48:06] <greycat> maybe gnome is just crap
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2451 [22:48:44] <backupluis> I use my computer to work I dont want a fancy desktop just one that make me be productive, like put a shortcut on the desktop
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2457 [22:51:15] <dka> How can I revert that command : sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv EFD5FA852F20733F
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2459 [22:51:47] <Habbie> dka, see the gpg manpage about how to remove a key
2460 [22:51:58] <Habbie> dka, with adv, you're actually passing arguments to gpg
2461 [22:51:58] <backupluis> Found some shortcuts on Desktop folder, the last I use to see on my screen, but none of them appears on the desktop, and there is no Desktop menu in tweak app
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2463 [22:52:11] <rudi_s> dka: apt-key del EFD5FA852F20733F ?
2464 [22:52:13] <dka> sudo apt-key del EFD5FA852F20733F
2465 [22:52:15] <dka> ty
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2467 [22:52:26] <dka> So fingerprint-gui does not work with my device
2468 [22:52:52] <dka> That's so cool, I spend the whole day to setup the fingerprint, and when I did it, there's no way to use it a real case :)
2469 [22:53:26] <Habbie> oh, even simpler, good
2470 [22:53:33] <spacebug^> backupluis: I don't think gnome 3 supports icons on the desktop
2471 [22:53:52] <backupluis> what a pitty
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2473 [22:54:15] <backupluis> so, the desktop is just created to show a fancy background......
2474 [22:54:31] <greycat> I have yet to hear a single good thing about gnome 3.
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2476 [22:54:49] <Habbie> is gnome 3 the one in debian buster?
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2478 [22:55:09] <greycat> ,v gnome-core
2479 [22:55:10] <judd> Package: gnome-core on amd64 -- jessie: 1:3.14+3; stretch: 1:3.22+3; buster: 1:3.30+1; bullseye: 1:3.30+2; sid: 1:3.30+2
2480 [22:55:13] <Habbie> 3.30.2
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2482 [22:55:15] <Habbie> yes
2483 [22:55:18] <Habbie> i like it.
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2485 [22:55:28] <backupluis> I got buster with gnome 3.30.2
2486 [22:55:29] <greycat> I'm not sure that's the correct version number
2487 [22:55:42] <Habbie> it calls itself 3.30.2 in settings -> about
2488 [22:55:49] <jaakkos> backupluis: the Gnome developers decided that desktop icons are no more a thing
2489 [22:55:51] <Habbie> but indeed: ii gnome-core 1:3.30+1
2490 [22:56:04] <jaakkos> backupluis: and removed the feature
2491 [22:56:27] <backupluis> Ok, thanks and sorry for my way to express, but I can't believe yet
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2494 [22:57:11] <jaakkos> backupluis: I also think it's silly... but you can google around about it, obviously you are not the only one wondering about it.
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2499 [22:58:15] <greycat> this is (one of many reasons) why there are a multitude of different desktop environments and window managers
2500 [22:58:24] <backupluis> Google a lot, but none of the solutions make my icons appears, and want to use my time to make my things, not to deal on how to tweak a silly way to make a desktop manager, MY GOOOOOD, a desktop manager without desktop icons.
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2505 [22:59:01] <backupluis> I dont know why I use gnome, maybe because I use to and I really dont need too much from a desktop manager
2506 [22:59:29] <greycat> most people use it because it's "the default" (for some installation media/images, for some set of mouse/keyboard clicks during installation)
2507 [22:59:49] <backupluis> I think I use it because of this, almost the default
2508 [23:00:09] <backupluis> Somebody on #gnome tell me this
2509 [23:00:09] <backupluis> replaced-url
2510 [23:00:15] <backupluis> I will check out
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2512 [23:01:03] <jaakkos> backupluis: it's a prefectly valid reason to use it because it's the default :P Often times you gain a lot by doing the default things, in terms of support, stability and quick fixes...
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2515 [23:03:22] <backupluis> sure, but now I have to seach and learn how to install an extension, the my icons will appears and suddenly on the next update everyting will dissapears and I will have to make the whole thing again, heheheheeee. Just kitting, I remember that alredy I made the same thing a long time ago, before the update
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2519 [23:04:25] <nvz> dka: if fprintd detects and enrolls your fingerprints, then your hardware works with fprintd.. if it works with fprintd and fprintd works for me in a real case, then it can work for you too
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2522 [23:04:58] <dka> it work with fprintd-verify that 's it
2523 [23:05:07] <dka> I am reading thins : replaced-url
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2525 [23:05:18] <dka> they says to install a package called pam_fprint
2526 [23:05:29] <dka> I did sudo apt-get install libpam-fprintd
2527 [23:05:34] <nvz> yes.. and you have to add it to pam.d common-auth like I said
2528 [23:05:43] <dka> this guy say : replaced-url
2529 [23:05:47] <dka> /etc/pam.d/system-auth
2530 [23:05:55] <dka> and I was not able to find your explanation, anywher
2531 [23:05:56] <nvz> I know how it works, I've been using it for months both on the X240 I had and on this T440
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2534 [23:06:09] <dka> ok
2535 [23:06:14] <dka> does this command pam_fprint_enroll
2536 [23:06:16] <dka> work for you?
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2538 [23:06:25] <nvz> never even heard of that command
2539 [23:06:30] <nvz> therefore its not required
2540 [23:07:10] <spacebug^> is there any DE other than Gnome and KDE that supports wayland?
2541 [23:07:12] <dka> replaced-url
2542 [23:07:19] <dka> I have tried that common-auth file
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2545 [23:07:25] <nvz> I installed fprintd libpam-fprintd, changed the common-auth and added one line, ran fprintd-enroll or used that other GUI method I showed you.. both have worked for me.. with console logins, su, sudo, lightdm.. etc
2546 [23:07:27] <dka> withot L27 and L17 comemnted
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2548 [23:07:30] <nvz> polkit.. you name it
2549 [23:07:31] <tw> nvz: none of ENV{UDISKS_IGNORE}="1", ENV{UDISKS_PRESENTATION_HIDE}="1", or ENV{UDISKS_AUTO}="0" worked.
2550 [23:07:33] <nvz> and thats all I did
2551 [23:07:47] <dka> what is the over gui method you showed me?
2552 [23:07:51] <dka> oh, the one from the GUI in video
2553 [23:07:52] <dka> ok
2554 [23:07:54] <dka> i do not have it
2555 [23:08:31] <tw> nvz: KERNELS=="usb4", ENV{UDISKS_SYSTEM}="1" did work, but I think only because polkit enforces escalation for devices marked system.
2556 [23:08:38] <dka> I don't want to use fprintd-enroll because it is for adding new finger print, I want to test finger print somewhere but not fprintd-verify
2557 [23:08:40] <nvz> I do know it wont work without fingerprints being enrolled.. if I try login as a user with no fingerprints, it doesnt trigger that module
2558 [23:08:47] <dka> preferably in login, su, sudo, etc...
2559 [23:08:56] <dka> my user as fingerprint
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2561 [23:09:10] <dka> I can do fprintd-verify and it will ask for my finger print
2562 [23:09:13] <dka> I was able to save 8 fingers
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2564 [23:09:20] <dka> so I don't went to enroll more, I can't that
2565 [23:09:26] <dka> that is the maximum
2566 [23:09:37] <nvz> yeah well afaik it only works with the last one you enrolled
2567 [23:09:52] <nvz> it wont just accept any of them.. or it didnt for me
2568 [23:10:11] <dka> it work with all of them, I did fprintd-enroll left-middle-finger, fprintd-enroll right-middle-finger, etc...
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2570 [23:10:51] <tw> I haven't gone so far as to snoop dbus to figure out which application is ignoring the no-auto property.
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2584 [23:19:47] <dka> How can I use my fingerprint reader on Debian 10? I was able to test the fingerprint I enrolled, and verify it with fprintd-verify, but I couldn't use it for login. There's no UI for fingerprint, is it too young technology ?
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2586 [23:20:18] <nvz> dka: replaced-url
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2589 [23:21:08] <nvz> in the last 10 minutes I took a cinnamonvm with no fingerprint reader or software, installed the software and hardware, set it up, and had it working on console, su, DM login..
2590 [23:21:14] <nvz> and recorded and uploaded it
2591 [23:21:33] <dka> man
2592 [23:21:36] <dka> best resource I could ever find
2593 [23:21:39] <dka> I am watching it
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2599 [23:23:25] <sony__> hi all
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2603 [23:24:01] <dka> The thing is, I already use `auth [success=2 default=ignore] pam_unix.so nullok_secure`
2604 [23:24:12] <dka> so I did the same, except I add to use success=3
2605 [23:24:36] <dvs> ???
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2607 [23:24:39] <dka> if it's fine to just remove the ldap line, I'll do it
2608 [23:24:48] <dka> but I think it can break the password auth for ldap users
2609 [23:24:59] <dka> so I added like you `auth [success=3 default=ignore] pam_fprintd.so max_tries=1 timeout=10`
2610 [23:25:09] <nvz> did you add it as the first line like I did?
2611 [23:25:18] <nvz> I made sure it was the first uncommented line
2612 [23:25:33] <nvz> pretty sure the order matters
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2614 [23:25:36] <dka> I also added `auth optional pam_cap.so `, because it wasn't here, while you did not add it in your video
2615 [23:25:45] <dka> yes it is the first line
2616 [23:26:08] <nvz> thats the extent of my knowledge on the subject.. thats how I've done it on every system I've used it on
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2619 [23:26:28] <nvz> but if its working with fprintd I see no reason it wouldnt be working with libpam_fprintd
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2621 [23:26:44] <nvz> though you may have compiled shit from upstream for all I know
2622 [23:26:50] <nvz> I'm using the buster fprintd stuff
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2625 [23:27:58] <dka> Nvz my version is most likely more stable for its own usage than your. What is likely to be default here is me and my knowledge
2626 [23:28:35] <dka> I had no issue at all i dont see what you are telling about
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2628 [23:29:25] <nvz> replaced-url
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2630 [23:30:11] <nvz> its eating up like 48G on my SSD that is only 128G but.. its worth it
2631 [23:30:58] <dka> after reboot, fprintd-list dka is not working correctly
2632 [23:31:02] <dka> it shows : fprintd-list dka => No devices found
2633 [23:31:22] <nvz> technically I have 9VM cause I also have a Buster std and base and I clone them as needed for more complex crap
2634 [23:31:28] <dka> can it be because of the new /etc/pam.d/common-auth ?
2635 [23:31:42] <nvz> I just never bothered to make icons for the other two :P
2636 [23:32:12] <sony__> hi all
2637 [23:32:13] <sony__> I can't log in with encripted persistence, however I typed right password? does anyone know ho tofix it?
2638 [23:32:43] <nvz> Idk.. I seriously never looked any further into that subject cause what I just shot that video of, is all I've ever had to do
2639 [23:32:45] <dka> psswd sony
2640 [23:33:15] <nvz> sony__: I have no idea what you mean by "encripted persistence"
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2643 [23:33:43] <nvz> I use an encrypted LVM on this system and as long as I type the right password, it boots, if I dont.. well ..
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2645 [23:39:29] <sony__> nvz: I mean I installed live version on USBstick with encripted persistence partition
2646 [23:39:57] <jim> hi, is themill here?
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2648 [23:41:01] <sony__> I typed right password to log in but it doesn't work
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2653 [23:42:05] <sony__> nvz: do you see what I mean?
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2655 [23:43:35] <sony__> any clue guys?
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2663 [23:49:54] <FaithHill> When I think back on these times, and the dreams we left behind, I'll be glad, 'cause I was blessed to get to have you in my life
2664 [23:50:12] <FaithHill> When I look back on these days, I'll look and see your face. You're right there for me
2665 [23:50:23] <FaithHill> In my dreams, I'll always see you soar above the sky. In my heart, there will always be a place for you, for all my life
2666 [23:50:36] <FaithHill> I'll keep a part of you with me, and everywhere I am, there you'll be
2667 [23:50:50] <FaithHill> And everywhere I am, there you'll be
2668 [23:51:00] <FaithHill> Well, you showed me how it feels to feel the sky within my reach, and I always will remember all the strength you gave to me
2669 [23:51:15] <FaithHill> Your love made me make it through, oh, I owe so much to you. You're right there for me
2670 [23:51:33] <FaithHill> In my dreams, I'll always see you soar above the sky. In my heart, there will always be a place for you, for all my life
2671 [23:51:43] <FaithHill> I'll keep a part of you with me, and everywhere I am, there you'll be
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2673 [23:52:10] <dvs> until I boot thee
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2675 [23:53:47] <dka> nvz
2676 [23:53:51] <dka> it's working
2677 [23:53:53] <dka> Place your right index finger on the fingerprint reader
2678 [23:54:05] <dka> But I always get `Failed to match fingerprint`
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2682 [23:57:15] <nyov> sausage fingers ;)
2683 [23:59:13] <dka> can I have a finger print per user ?
2684 [23:59:39] <dka> because I have try to create one with fprind-enroll on two user and it complain that file already exist (enroll-data-full)
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