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17 [00:15:50] <ksk> binaryhermit: if you dont need features from a package from backports, do not install it.
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21 [00:19:33] <ixz> did setup.exe ever work ? does it need some 32b vc binaries or something? it fails at copy d: to c:\win32-loader, on any machine ive tried yet
22 [00:19:48] <ksk> ixz: setup.exe? eh? this is #debian
23 [00:19:59] <ixz> its on the debian cd
24 [00:20:23] <ksk> ah okay. I think it worked the last time I had a windows computer, its some years ago though^^
25 [00:20:37] <ixz> ah k
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29 [00:21:19] <ksk> do you have a usb-drive handy? debian wiki suggest using replaced-url
30 [00:21:25] <ixz> and any hints on installing on rare supported ware like my hp amd laptop ? last few tries did wrong-recognize the wlan card or not even boot, ..or..
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32 [00:21:30] <ksk> see replaced-url
33 [00:21:51] <ixz> i know the basics, i run unetbootin or rufus or whatever else and it mostly works
34 [00:21:52] <ksk> might be you need non-free drivers for the card to work
35 [00:22:00] <ksk> see debian wiki "wireless" section, google is your firend
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37 [00:22:02] <ixz> i have now the bullseye-alpha1 installer
38 [00:22:04] <ksk> !unetbootin
39 [00:22:04] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
40 [00:22:19] <ksk> ixz: nono
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42 [00:22:25] <ixz> hm
43 [00:22:36] <ksk> if you want to install testing, install stable and then upgrade to testing
44 [00:22:37] <ixz> last time i tried a full kde + live it didnt boot at all
45 [00:22:45] <ksk> the "testing installer" is for, testing the installer - and it might contain bugs!
46 [00:22:48] <ixz> i hoped for the firmware one
47 [00:23:29] <ksk> the wiki I linked also contains a link to an installation media with non-free driver included should you need that
48 [00:23:31] <ixz> ill try this bullseye and if fails the normal one
49 [00:23:44] <ixz> yes the firmware iso images
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51 [00:23:54] <ixz> i know those few debian pages in and out :/
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55 [00:26:46] <ixz> i spawned kde once via wsl, it was so slow and not useable
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58 [00:29:46] <ixz> wish me luck i hope
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80 [00:42:25] <WoC> any suggestions on how to mount the 3rd track on a cdrom ?
81 [00:42:57] <ksk> WoC: as in audio track?
82 [00:43:03] <ksk> been some time I have used CDs :P
83 [00:43:03] <WoC> no
84 [00:43:09] <ksk> k, nevermind me then.
85 [00:43:24] <WoC> data, multiple tracks due to multiple arch types
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92 [00:45:54] <CpAj0> hi after update to debian 10 i can't open link in any desktop app will prompt an error windows with the link and "No such file or directory" message
93 [00:46:01] <CpAj0> what could be the problem?
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96 [00:49:12] <WoC> CpAj0: broken link ?
97 [00:49:39] <WoC> I would right click on it and revie the properties
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99 [00:49:50] <WoC> review
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104 [00:51:22] <CpAj0> WoC, it happens also with replaced-url
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106 [00:53:39] <WoC> open a terminal and see if you can open the browser from there
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110 [00:56:49] <CpAj0> if i type firefox open the browser
111 [00:57:13] <CpAj0> is possible that it is a bad cache from apps?
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123 [01:03:34] <WoC> CpAj0: looks like your app links are broken
124 [01:04:00] <WoC> CpAj0: set a new default browser
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200 [02:18:46] <ixz> the my debian install, 10.2+firmware didnt boot [no kernel loading just hanging after choosing to boot menu entry], bullseye worked and installed but without inet drivers
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202 [02:19:00] <ixz> the firmware.tar.gz i installed stuffs but still no wifi card
203 [02:19:29] <ksk> did you read the freakin wiki article?
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205 [02:19:52] <ixz> no what the long debian install faq ?
206 [02:20:15] <ksk> replaced-url
207 [02:20:24] <ksk> eh, cut the "de" in the url ;)
208 [02:20:25] <ixz> thx, minute
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210 [02:21:32] <ixz> what it says two supported models, what
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212 [02:21:40] <ixz> ah ok might work..
213 [02:22:15] <GetHz> hey owl
214 [02:22:40] <GetHz> tell gnu-linux-libre vannilla: kernel 1000hz | modles preemptive context
215 [02:23:04] <ixz> you can tune it to 4k hz
216 [02:23:04] <GetHz> hyde concurrent
217 [02:23:14] <ixz> at least earlier
218 [02:23:20] <ixz> anyway what does the wifi faq help me now
219 [02:23:29] <GetHz> ixz really?
220 [02:23:31] <ixz> replaced-url
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223 [02:23:44] <ixz> yes in the configs file you write 4000, with or without one mod it works
224 [02:23:49] <ixz> compiles and does, did at least
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230 [02:26:34] <GetHz> ixz very good
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239 [02:37:33] <GetHz> ixz kernel 1000hz singular | modules preemptivecontext assyncronous|service & synchronous program or stand alone
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241 [02:41:29] <GetHz> middleware aproadigma cooperation
242 [02:41:39] <GetHz> mix
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257 [03:03:00] <GetHz> kernel nhz singular | modules preemptive coop-context assyncronous|service & synchronous program or stand alone
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259 [03:03:34] <GetHz> singular fw bootlader int
260 [03:03:46] <GetHz> bootloader acpi
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264 [03:06:52] <GetHz> kernel nhz iteractive lines | modules preemptive coop-context assyncronous|service & synchronous program or stand alone
265 [03:07:03] <ksk> GetHz: can you stop that please?
266 [03:07:20] <ksk> irc is not your notepad
267 [03:07:21] <GetHz> w_hat
268 [03:07:22] <GetHz> ?
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305 [03:43:59] <xmastree> so what trouble you all getting up to today?
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309 [03:48:11] <ixz> success report, amd laptop via bullseye-alpha1 and newer 5.4 kernel and firmware from rpi
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331 [04:03:36] <ok> yeet
332 [04:04:41] <ixz> the mousepad wont work with tap clicks yet, window manager related, but touchscreen works even
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393 [05:10:18] <un214> Missing leafpad in buster is starting to really annoy me
394 [05:11:11] <ixz> just add the repo sources
395 [05:11:23] <ixz> i use experimental unstable testing stable =p
396 [05:11:58] <un214> sid only has an arm64 package for leafpad
397 [05:12:31] <ixz> no package for me too
398 [05:12:47] <ixz> maybe in archive.debian.org
399 [05:12:51] <un214> I've been downloading the jesse package and installing it with dpkg
400 [05:13:12] <ixz> maybe self compile of newest version is better
401 [05:13:20] <un214> what newer version?
402 [05:13:34] <ixz> i dunno i was guessing only
403 [05:14:04] <un214> it simply hasn't changed since 2009
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405 [05:14:44] <ixz> kk, i wonder if i can add all repos of debian, like potatoe and all, and have it working
406 [05:15:19] <un214> I'm willing to bet being a package maintainer for leafpad is an empty job
407 [05:15:36] <ixz> what is leafpad anyway
408 [05:15:50] <un214> pretty much notepad in gtk2
409 [05:16:00] <ixz> kk i use vim
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411 [05:16:21] <un214> I use leafpad as extra clipboard buffers to copy/paste from/to in the GUI
412 [05:17:21] <ixz> i bet i can code a terminal cli alternative to your copypaste needs
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415 [05:18:04] <un214> ?
416 [05:18:12] <un214> Copy from firefox to leafpad
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419 [05:18:47] <ixz> copy from firefox to buffer, and separate script runs that checks the buffer for changes and writes it up + no duplicates + selection of to-copy-into-buffer
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421 [05:19:41] <un214> among other uses: did you see the exploit where when you copy a command line from a web page, it copies a different command line
422 [05:19:54] <un214> well I paste to leafpad, inspect, and re-copy
423 [05:20:01] <un214> the exploit doesn't work anymore
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425 [05:20:09] <ixz> havent seen
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427 [05:20:36] <ixz> can simply include \r and then the last displaying command
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430 [05:23:15] <un214> in other news, I had to build a replacement for gtksu; one weird binary is enough
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433 [05:24:16] <ixz> __load_endless_bloat; <short main function>; __bloat_ware
434 [05:24:29] <un214> lol
435 [05:24:55] <un214> I got it down to 100 lines but it has to be recompiled for every binary and user it needs to run
436 [05:25:12] <un214> because I used -D instead of a config file parser
437 [05:25:24] <ixz> okk 'secure'
438 [05:25:58] <un214> actually that's a good point; code that doesn't exist can't have security bugs
439 [05:26:16] <ixz> :)
440 [05:26:42] <un214> Is there a way to interrupt a systemd wait from the console?
441 [05:27:00] <ixz> i at least completly dunno that
442 [05:27:25] <un214> I filed a degenerate wait bug a few days ago; it got moved to ifupdown
443 [05:27:50] <ixz> dunno the details
444 [05:28:01] <un214> the bug may really be in ifupdown but I feel that systemd should have done a better job of not blocking for 6 mintues
445 [05:28:25] <ixz> crapware
446 [05:28:39] <ixz> unreadable.d
447 [05:28:45] <un214> It's the same kind of issue that caused me to immediately have to revert systemd on my home pc
448 [05:29:05] <un214> it started blocking on the very next boot; and when it finally timed out /home wasn't mounted
449 [05:29:30] <un214> some kind of degenerate vapor lock where it thinks its waiting for something to come up that's already up
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451 [05:30:03] <ixz> wrong code i guess
452 [05:30:41] <un214> basically I wanna use systemd's unit files but not its early boot or late shutdown process
453 [05:30:47] <un214> I've had it with these degenerate locks
454 [05:31:17] <ixz> i'd rather code complete exact wanted system in bash and gawk
455 [05:31:54] <un214> that's actually easier
456 [05:32:03] <un214> dpkg-divert /sbin/init
457 [05:32:06] <un214> and knock yourself out
458 [05:32:19] <ixz> i wrote a couple bashinit's that ran well
459 [05:32:35] <un214> so have I, but KDE doesn't like them one bit
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461 [05:32:52] <ixz> i dont like kde either, it ran so slow and wasteful
462 [05:33:07] <un214> haven't got a good replacement for kpaint :(
463 [05:33:34] <ixz> i dunno paint, i only know console-text
464 [05:33:40] <ixz> or 3d ware on windoz
465 [05:33:41] <un214> ah
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468 [05:34:17] <un214> I'm not going to talk too much about simple because well I use kpaint for a couple of really good features
469 [05:34:51] <ixz> kool, can it be coded to like, shuffle pixels together via script
470 [05:34:52] <un214> color-pickup, really well working smooth scale, working image rotate, and working binary transparency
471 [05:35:15] <un214> don't think it can be automated unless you like XSend
472 [05:35:32] <ixz> i dunno that either
473 [05:35:38] <ixz> i think i go sleep time :))
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475 [05:42:24] <un214> on an unrelated note, lilo is unmaintained right?
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487 [05:47:54] <annadane> well, lilo is packaged for buster...
488 [05:48:15] <annadane> i guess i could check WNPP
489 [05:48:27] <un214> !WNPP
490 [05:48:27] <dpkg> For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at replaced-url
491 [05:49:42] <un214> not listed there; debian probably thinks it has a maintainer
492 [05:49:59] <un214> anyway I have to use a hand-hacked lilo because grub doesn't understand my hardware
493 [05:50:39] <un214> (all I had to do was take a sanity check /out/ for lilo to work for me)
494 [05:51:05] <annadane> lilo has a new version in sid where the latest changelog entry is december 10, and it's not a NMU update, so i think it's safe to say lilo is maintained
495 [05:51:14] <un214> oh nice
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498 [05:52:00] <annadane> however, the changelog entry also says this replaced-url
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500 [05:52:13] <annadane> keep in mind that's for sid, it probably won't go away in buser
501 [05:52:15] <annadane> buster
502 [05:52:32] <un214> I should probably step up to maintain it in sid then
503 [05:52:52] <un214> because I'm going to need apt-get -> lilo integration for a long time to come
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505 [05:55:47] <ixz> nice reason to do it
506 [05:57:21] <ixz> 'what does buster bust'
507 [05:57:43] <un214> I don't get it
508 [05:58:06] <ixz> buster, the bust-er, bust a couple of ppl for a few pennies
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510 [05:59:21] <annadane> it's good you're offering to maintain it, lilo probably is something people will need
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512 [05:59:30] <ixz> it may bust hackers, but why is its time come =p
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551 [06:50:49] <Gerowen> Anybody know why a regular http version of my site still works if I open port 80, even though the non SSL .conf file for the site has been removed from sites-enabled?
552 [06:51:12] <Gerowen> Obviously I can just block port 80 on the firewall, but I'm wondering why it's working in the first place when the config file is gone and apache restarted.
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578 [07:14:58] <wikan> hi. I need to telnet my services from the shell-less user
579 [07:15:31] <wikan> can I do it by command or maybe I have to set shell to login?
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581 [07:18:23] <wikan> found it
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653 [08:58:34] <veek> i'm getting /etc/magic, 3: Warning: using regular magic file `/usr/share/misc/magic' and it's not apparmor
654 [08:58:50] <veek> file -m /usr/lib/file/magic.mgc:/usr/share/file/magic.mgc a.out works
655 [08:59:15] <veek> what should I do to avoid the typing?
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692 [09:39:04] <nyov> veek: that's a strange message. "Warning: using regular magic file `/usr/share/misc/magic' and it's not apparmor" :P doesn't look legit
693 [09:39:34] <nyov> veek: joke aside, what do you have in /etc/magic? /usr/share/misc/magic should be a symlink to /usr/share/file/magic, which should be a directory
694 [09:39:49] <nyov> not a regular file
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708 [09:51:38] <veek> nyov, my /etc/magic is empty
709 [09:52:06] <veek> well got a comment that's all
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711 [09:53:08] <nyov> does the warning happen for every file call, or just a specific file?
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714 [09:53:27] <veek> all files
715 [09:55:16] <nyov> hm. perhaps strace it to the warning
716 [09:55:46] <nyov> strace file /usr/lib/file/magic.mgc 2> /tmp/debug; less /tmp/debug
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718 [09:57:08] <veek> openat(AT_FDCWD, "/usr/share/misc/magic.mgc", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
719 [09:57:13] <veek> a lot of that
720 [09:57:16] <nyov> ah.
721 [09:57:26] <veek> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 Oct 23 01:27 /usr/share/misc/magic.mgc -> ../../lib/file/magic.mgc
722 [09:57:30] <nyov> so you're missing /usr/lib/file/magic.mgc ?
723 [09:58:10] <nyov> that's in libmagic-mgc, which should be installed
724 [09:58:15] <nyov> I guess
725 [09:58:39] <veek> it's installed
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727 [09:58:49] <nyov> but does the file exist?
728 [09:58:56] <veek> it's a symlink
729 [09:59:23] <nyov> /usr/lib/file/magic.mgc should be a regular file. symlink to where?
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732 [10:00:48] <veek> yes /usr/lib/file/magic.mgc is a regular file
733 [10:00:51] <veek> that exists
734 [10:01:20] <veek> 5.2MB
735 [10:01:42] <nyov> ok weird. is it readable?
736 [10:01:47] <veek> the issue is he isn't finding the other .mgc files
737 [10:03:08] <veek> basically all he's using is /usr/share/file/magic.mgc -> ../../lib/file/magic.mgc
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739 [10:04:21] <veek> ahh hmm just a sec
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743 [10:08:12] <veek> how do you specify a : separated search path for .mgc files
744 [10:08:24] <veek> barring MAGIC and using -m
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753 [10:13:24] <nyov> point it to a directory?
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759 [10:20:39] <veek> nyov, nope my guess is it has something to do with /fsprotect/system/usr/lib/file/magic.mgc and /usr/lib/file/magic.mgc
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765 [10:26:46] <nyov> well, I only have one local file, in ~/.magic.mgc. which I compile from my magic incantations in ~/.magic-dir/
766 [10:27:04] <nyov> is enough, so I don't know how to add more :p
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775 [10:40:49] <wikan> where I can submit my idea for debian?
776 [10:41:21] <wikan> it would be great if we could use dpkg and apt for lxc from host
777 [10:41:37] <wikan> like FreeBSD does
778 [10:42:27] <wikan> all what is required is setting up directories (export) and then host package manager use different root directory
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783 [10:43:57] <dreamer> I wouldn't assume that will be part of apt, but you could script something around it perhaps?
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814 [11:07:28] <nyov> FreeBSD now has apt and lxc?
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818 [11:09:14] <nyov> wikan: well, depending on how you connect to your lxc containers, you can definitly script that. e.g. using ssh, or lxc-console, or virsh using libvirt
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820 [11:09:38] <nyov> you'll just have to do some legwork
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823 [11:15:26] <Habbie> nyov, i bet it's about the --jail flag in replaced-url
824 [11:16:24] <wikan> nyov no
825 [11:16:42] <nyov> ah okay then :D
826 [11:16:52] <wikan> Habbie is right
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835 [11:23:58] <[sr]> howdy, having this configuration on the same interface, the comunication hangs every X seconds, if i have this on with a 2nd interface in the machine, works OK, what could i be doing wrong?
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870 [11:53:05] <wikan> sr, "this configuration"?
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886 [12:09:48] <wikan> guys, it is possible to create two the same files, but one visible for entire system and second only for user?
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888 [12:10:30] <wikan> i can create temporary files hidden from other users eyes but i wanna hide config
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893 [12:11:49] <cinesc> Hi
894 [12:11:55] <wikan> hi
895 [12:12:23] <jelly> wikan: hide from whom?
896 [12:12:35] <jelly> use unix permissions?
897 [12:13:35] <cinesc> An Odd question to ask here but is the Windows 10 ISO compatible with SD cards in an usb adapter or DO I need a real usb stick for it to work?
898 [12:13:39] <wikan> i have nftables rule
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900 [12:14:05] <wikan> this rule lets some privileges for some processes
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903 [12:14:39] <wikan> and I wanna to make a "copy" of this file for this process
904 [12:14:55] <wikan> so process even if change this file it will not affect a firewall
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909 [12:16:24] <wikan> cinesc - really?
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911 [12:17:22] <cinesc> Is there a better thread to ask this question at?
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917 [12:20:36] <wikan> dunno, maybe general or windows related
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920 [12:23:15] <wikan> i think i know how to do it ;)
921 [12:25:35] <wikan> yea i know :D
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978 [13:28:17] <rozie> hi. I have rtl8812AU USB card. I want to run it under Debian (unstable). is there something build in right now?
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980 [13:28:43] <rozie> I found replaced-url
981 [13:29:06] <ixz> i got yestreday my laptop working with 8822b
982 [13:29:16] <ixz> what kernel do u run, u have already debian installed ?
983 [13:29:19] <rozie> so I wonder if something appeared in distro
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985 [13:30:10] <ixz> i got it working by bullseye-alpha1 installer without network card, then from 5.3 to 5.4 kernel ( experimental tree ) and then downloading rpi firmware's and placing em in /lib/firmware and voila it worked
986 [13:30:40] <ixz> the included 5.3 kernel didnt show any wireless dmesg activity, 5.4 did and pointed me at missing firmware file
987 [13:31:04] <rozie> 5.3.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.3.9-3 (2019-11-19)
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990 [13:31:28] <ixz> yea u need 5.4 er kernel at least
991 [13:31:31] <rozie> [210184.555264] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=0bda, idProduct=c811, bcdDevice= 2.00
992 [13:31:34] <rozie> [210184.555270] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
993 [13:31:45] <ixz> there is rtw_usb or similiar module
994 [13:31:47] <rozie> OK, thx will check for 5.4
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997 [13:32:37] <ixz> actually i dont see such a module
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999 [13:32:46] <ixz> but updating from 5.3 to .4 made the driver appear
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1001 [13:33:09] <ixz> see rtw88, maybe usb works there too
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1084 [14:37:27] <rapha> hi
1085 [14:37:46] <rapha> i'm trying to upgrade a Debian 6 system to Debian 7 and am running into this problem: replaced-url
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1087 [14:38:31] <rapha> would it be best to "apt-get remove mysql.*" plus anything else that is a problem first, then "aptitude full-upgrade", then install those packages afresh?
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1093 [14:41:37] <diogenes_> rapha, you got any 3rd party repos or apps?
1094 [14:41:38] <abrotman> it won't reinstall those packages, but might allow the upgrade to continue
1095 [14:41:52] <abrotman> but yeah, looks like a third party or backports are enabled
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1098 [14:46:32] <rapha> diogenes_: not anymore; i removed them as they were not accessible anymore anyways. but some packages from 3rd party repos are still installed, such as the froxlor thing. any others possibly, too, those i wouldn't know about. is there a way to find out?
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1103 [14:50:26] <diogenes_> rapha, the general recommendation before upgrade is to remove any 3rd party repos, apps, nvidia drivers and stuff like that.
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1109 [14:54:11] <jelly> rapha: which command, precisely, is generating that screenshot?
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1118 [15:00:26] <riezaizu> What reason is there for upower to randomly stop working, forcing me to --reinstall it ?
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1122 [15:03:56] <jelly> rapha: because if it's aptitude something, that's not what the documentation tells you to use for the release upgrade process. replaced-url
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1125 [15:05:38] <diogenes_> riezaizu, how it stops working?
1126 [15:08:17] <riezaizu> Suspend/Hibernate don't show up on the KDE menu, screen blacks out after a while even though I have it set to not do that. The only way to fix is to apt-get install --reinstall
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1196 [16:12:51] <rapha> jelly: no, "apt-get dist-upgrade" gave an error message and then i googled that and then there was something that suggested to try with "aptitude full-upgrade". the original error message was E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'mysql-server-5.5'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
1197 [16:12:56] <liveuser> hi I am on a VPS and use the mail comand I want to know whats the shortcut to display the next list of mails.
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1199 [16:13:25] <blueninja> anyone know whats the shortcut
1200 [16:13:36] <rapha> i'll try to somehow get rid of everything that came from (perhaps former) 3rd party repos
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1203 [16:15:27] <blueninja> I think the z is for the previous screen
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1230 [16:37:35] <outoftime> Do you have any idea how to get rid of this errors in journalctl for buster: replaced-url
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1251 [16:50:22] <cinesc> Hi
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1258 [16:51:59] <cinesc> Is windows media creation tool able to rum in Wine or is there an equivalent tool to make an installer onto an usb stick?
1259 [16:53:09] <mtn> cinesc: do you mean a windows boot/install disk?
1260 [16:54:04] <cinesc> Urs that is what I want to create in Linux Debian
1261 [16:54:13] <mtn> cinesc: replaced-url
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1264 [16:56:10] <jelly> rapha: did you do an "apt-get upgrade" step before dist-upgrade?
1265 [16:57:47] <jelly> rapha: read: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy failures
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1272 [17:05:29] <jelly> rapha: theoretically you could just accept aptitude's first proposed solution, but apt-get tended to cause less trouble for 5->6, 6->7 release upgrades iirc
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1306 [17:33:25] <filpAM> when I try to run optirun glxinfo.
1307 [17:33:28] <filpAM> it shows:
1308 [17:33:30] <filpAM> [ 464.186086] [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE) NOUVEAU(0): [drm] failed to set drm interface version.
1309 [17:33:33] <filpAM> [ 464.186169] [ERROR]Aborting because fallback start is disabled.
1310 [17:33:51] <filpAM> this notebook is a samsung with nvidia 710m
1311 [17:33:58] <filpAM> (nvidia optimus)
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1313 [17:34:48] <filpAM> How I solve this
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1315 [17:35:49] <diogenes_> flimpie-, it's bit of a headache when it comes to bumblebee.
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1318 [17:36:17] <diogenes_> do you have virtualgl?
1319 [17:36:51] <diogenes_> filpAM, ^^^
1320 [17:37:02] <filpAM> Uhh
1321 [17:37:04] <hugo__> Hello all, i usualy use this command to store my SSH key : "ssh-agent && ssh-add /Path/To/Key". I am wondering wish test could tell if my ssh key is added or not. Could you help me please ?
1322 [17:37:05] <filpAM> I used primus
1323 [17:37:29] <filpAM> diogenes_ no
1324 [17:37:50] <ksk> hugo__: man ssh-add, you are looking for the -l switch.
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1327 [17:38:36] <diogenes_> filpAM, last time i set it up i needed virtualgl to make it work.
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1330 [17:39:07] <filpAM> diogenes_ oh, I will try then
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1337 [17:44:30] <c0nker> I've been having a lot of trouble with an USB, I tried making a boot USB and it didnt work, and after all the steps I must have broken something, and it says its read-only (actually right now it doesnt even find it)
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1339 [17:44:40] <c0nker> replaced-url
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1355 [17:49:57] <diogenes_> c0nker, look in gnome-disk-utility
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1357 [17:51:39] <filpAM> diogenes_ installed
1358 [17:51:43] <c0nker> diogenes_ I dont have that tool if im honest, im not using gnome (or debian, but I was hoping I could use some advice anyway)
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1360 [17:53:57] <diogenes_> filpAM, did it make any difference?
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1364 [17:56:20] <filpAM> diogenes_ uhmm how do I use it
1365 [17:56:58] <diogenes_> filpAM, optirun status
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1370 [17:58:44] <B|ack0p> hi
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1372 [17:59:18] <filpAM> diogenes_ the verysame error..
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1385 [18:06:37] <diogenes_> filpAM, check this out: replaced-url
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1388 [18:08:01] <diogenes_> reboot afterwards
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1403 [18:19:26] <H2Q> hello, I need the latest version of go language, and have to remove the default system version. can I just 'apt remove' it, without breaking anything?
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1405 [18:20:08] <hugo__> ksk, thank you so mush :) ssh-add -l is perfect !
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1411 [18:24:11] <karlpinc> H2Q: Yes, you can just apt remove it. You might want to "purge" instead to remove any config files. Also, see the "don't break debian" wiki page for how to install 3rd party software safely.
1412 [18:24:16] <karlpinc> !don't break debian
1413 [18:24:16] <dpkg> methinks dont break debian is replaced-url
1414 [18:24:56] <WoC> when you build using sbuild, what happens with the packages you build ?
1415 [18:24:58] <annadane> nothing critical in debian is built against go, it's pretty much just python and perl afaik
1416 [18:25:51] <karlpinc> H2Q: Now, if you've installed other stuff with apt that depends on go to work apt might want to uninstall that too. The don't break debian page should have some hints on how to proceed. One way is probably to use the "equivs" package to build your own equalivent to the system go.
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1428 [18:31:38] <tuppabox> hi
1429 [18:32:00] <tuppabox> I would need some help
1430 [18:32:33] <annadane> sure, ask away
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1435 [18:34:46] <tuppabox> I've got an Medion Laptop with Intel and Nvidia graphics (it's configured nvidia only) it installed well with the nouveau driver then I tried the prop nvidia driver to install and it doesn't load after a restart
1436 [18:35:04] <tuppabox> now I always access the command line when a start the laptop
1437 [18:35:16] <WoC> Any suggestions as to where i can go to get help with sbuild ?
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1439 [18:35:44] <annadane> WoC, here or perhaps #debian-mentors on oftc
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1442 [18:36:09] <annadane> or #packaging on oftc if the package isn't for inclusion in the debian repo
1443 [18:36:31] <WoC> annadane: I'm just at loss as to what happens to the packages you build with sbuild
1444 [18:36:41] <annadane> yeah, i don't know
1445 [18:36:55] <tuppabox> I also tried to get back to nouveau but that works neither
1446 [18:37:24] <WoC> for my arch type, several of the packages are built wrong, so i figured sbuild would be a way to fix it
1447 [18:38:17] <annadane> those channels may have a better idea
1448 [18:38:49] <tuppabox> I used this tutorial replaced-url
1449 [18:39:43] <annadane> optimus is its own special, annoying, thing
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1452 [18:40:21] <annadane> i don't recall what the solution is, AFAIK people recommend to just use the intel portion, though there is replaced-url
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1454 [18:40:26] <somiaj> The top one is okay, the bottom one (how to install nvidia driver using the offical nvidia.com package) is not suggested and debian will break that from tiem to time.
1455 [18:40:48] <veikko> tuppabox: I have the same problem, screen just blank after installing nvidia drivers and rebooting
1456 [18:41:13] <tuppabox> its not just blank
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1458 [18:41:44] <tuppabox> it's asking for login so you give the user name and then the password and you end up in the cli
1459 [18:42:27] <veikko> and with the noveau drivers the gnome shell eats up all cpu and lot of latency with graphics
1460 [18:42:40] <veikko> noevau*
1461 [18:42:41] <WoC> annadane: heh, i figured it out, the built packages seems to be placed in the directory where sbuild was invocted
1462 [18:42:51] <somiaj> I think you can install firmware-misc-nonfree to get preformance increase on some nouveau cards
1463 [18:43:00] <annadane> well there you go
1464 [18:43:06] <annadane> a little poking around saves the day
1465 [18:43:17] <WoC> sometimes ;)
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1467 [18:43:38] <annadane> somiaj, can you? huh. i think i'll still stick with the blob simply because nouveau still has to reverse engineer everything
1468 [18:44:09] <H2Q> karlpinc, before I noticed the native go, I'd already installed the latest go. now when I do 'go version' and it says 'bash: /usr/bin/go: No such file or directory'
1469 [18:44:16] <tuppabox> I installed KDE it worked more or less can't adjust brightness, only laptop screen... but the package nvidia-driver didn't work
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1472 [18:44:48] <tuppabox> and now im stuck here with the cli
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1474 [18:45:19] <H2Q> the path in the installation guide was 'usr/local/go'
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1476 [18:45:42] <annadane> /usr/local overwrites things installed via apt
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1479 [18:46:03] <annadane> so you don't even have to necessarily remove the go installed via apt
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1481 [18:46:43] <H2Q> it wasn't overwritten
1482 [18:46:50] <H2Q> I got error during installation
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1491 [18:52:19] <somiaj> annadane: yea, look at apt show firmware-misc-nonfree you'll seee various firmwares for nouveau listed
1492 [18:53:40] <somiaj> there is getting to be enough there, it almost warnts its own package
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1498 [18:56:03] <Mazhive> guys i have a strang issue with debian buster ... when login in e specificly need to alt f1 and then alt f7 to show my tty screen.
1499 [18:56:07] <Mazhive> strange
1500 [18:56:30] <Mazhive> is it a profile thing
1501 [18:57:29] <H2Q> so, I installed a go version, and I removed the native one. now I cant do anything because the native path doesnt exist anymore. how can I use the latest version?
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1506 [19:00:44] <pugfantus> Update your PATH or symlink to the old path?
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1508 [19:00:52] <Mazhive> how can a .config file corrupt it seems the .config was corrupted
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1510 [19:01:19] <Mazhive> solved by essentially remove the .config
1511 [19:01:32] <ksk> if it was "corrupted" filesystem-wise it would have been placed in /lost+found after unsuccessfuly fs-repair
1512 [19:01:40] <ksk> I suspsect you put something in there which was incorrect
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1515 [19:03:09] <Mazhive> ah . that seems plausible yesterday i tried to install komoberi but i had a unsuccesfully install (well it told me it was succesfully installed but in the other hand it wasn't actually ) so that could be the issue probably
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1517 [19:04:06] <Mazhive> and komoberi is screen related....
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1546 [19:28:15] <Mazhive> should i create a partiton first to make a new lvm or can would it be a problem if i use the pvcreate /dev/sdb
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1554 [19:30:31] <tomreyn> Mazhive: you can use the raw device if you are certain you wont need any other partitions on this disk.
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1556 [19:31:22] <tomreyn> other partitions such as an efi system partition, bios-grub partition, /boot etc.
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1558 [19:32:45] <camaruh> Hi all. New to Linux and I'd like to try Debian. I'm on this page. I picked amd64 earlier but installer complained that my hardware is 686. Should I downlod the i386 link? replaced-url
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1560 [19:33:25] <damex> camaruh: what hardware do you have?
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1563 [19:36:31] <camaruh> I'll be running Linux on my HP laptop via VirtualBox. Unfortunately, this Vbox does not support 64-bit
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1565 [19:37:23] <tomreyn> it won't support 64-bit if either the hardware or the host OS or both do not support it.
1566 [19:37:31] <camaruh> ah got it
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1568 [19:37:39] <camaruh> do I download the i386 link?
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1571 [19:38:19] <tomreyn> have you ruled out that hardware and host OS cannot do amd64, yet?
1572 [19:38:43] <tomreyn> because this is nowadays quite desirable
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1576 [19:40:10] <tomreyn> if you don't want to spend time on this, though,a nd just want to test debian for now, you can just download the i386 iso, yes.
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1580 [19:40:52] <camaruh> were you saying I can still run 64-bit?
1581 [19:40:53] <tomreyn> (you won't be able to change this installation to amd64 later, though)
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1583 [19:41:45] <tomreyn> i'm saying you should spend a little bit of time to understand whether your computer can do 64-bit generally. and if so, take any steps needed to enable it.
1584 [19:42:27] <damex> is there a list of supported (in debian 10) arm boards? (support for them tend to be very specific) i see that it supports my current raspberry pi3 but it is painfully slow with everything sharing same bandwidth. i was thinking about picking an extra device or few to run my homelab.
1585 [19:42:29] <camaruh> let me see if my windows is currently on 64-bit
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1591 [19:46:15] <tomreyn> camaruh: the "HP laptop" information is not sufficient tell whether or not it can. if you can tell whether you have a 64-bit windows (maybe ask in ##windows for help on this) it means you also have 64-bit capable hardware, and then you should be able to run 64-bit VMs (it may require enabling some options in your BIOS/UEFI).
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1593 [19:47:02] <camaruh> I just read this. It looks like I must also be running 64-bit windows - replaced-url
1594 [19:47:42] <tomreyn> yes. this is not really a topic for *this* channel, though ;)
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1597 [19:48:21] <nyov> yeah, which might be a hassle. So *if* you have 64-bit hardware and you *do* want to try 64bit linux, use a dual-boot setup maybe. otherwise, just download that 386 link you had there
1598 [19:49:06] <camaruh> yep
1599 [19:49:21] <camaruh> This is actually my son's account. I'm teaching him Linux :)
1600 [19:49:30] <camaruh> I'm on osx
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1603 [19:49:40] <humbot> uh
1604 [19:49:42] <camaruh> He is also learning irc, hehehe
1605 [19:49:57] <nyov> shame on you. running expensive osx while dumping cheap linux on your son!
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1607 [19:50:12] <camaruh> huh?
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1610 [19:50:47] <camaruh> osx is company provided. There's nothing I can do with that
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1642 [20:25:41] <Mazhive> is there a x2go client only distro
1643 [20:26:33] <Mazhive> like booting up in x2go and have only prevalige to this app
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1647 [20:29:30] <nsudo> is parrrot os or kali better?
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1649 [20:30:18] <ksk> !based on debian
1650 [20:30:18] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
1651 [20:30:29] <annadane> nsudo, first, not a debian question, second, "better" is subjective, third, you probably shouldn't use either as a daily desktop
1652 [20:30:59] <annadane> parrot is less punishing than kali, it AFAIK (i'm rather ignorant) is more of a general-type thing than a purely pentesting tool
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1654 [20:31:14] <annadane> !whynotpentesting
1655 [20:31:15] <dpkg> For some reasons why Kali/Parrot/Other based-on-Debian penetration testing distributions shouldn't be used as a home desktop, see replaced-url
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1657 [20:31:43] <annadane> in fairness, here's a comment on stackexchange:
1658 [20:31:50] <annadane> "If you're looking for a pentesting distribution, then I suggest checking out Parrot Security OS. It's made for pentesters/hackers AND those wanting a general-purpose, secure operating system without the hassle of many security-oriented flavours of GNU/Linux. There is a Lite and a Standard version, where lite comes with far less pentesting tools. Both can serve easily as general purpose computers. I've tested both the lite and standard
1659 [20:31:50] <annadane> versions, and both are phenomenal"
1660 [20:32:14] <annadane> kali though really is, like, avoid as a desktop machine
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1663 [20:33:30] <nsudo> Debian Fan Die Hard Fan Have been born in Debian and till Death Debian :) Thank You Folks !! Greetings of the Season !!
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1665 [20:34:47] <nsudo> annadane dpkg i ill try as per your advice thanks
1666 [20:35:03] <annadane> . dpkg is just a bot, i invoked it with !
1667 [20:35:11] <annadane> i however am not a bot, beep boop
1668 [20:35:27] <nsudo> Wow annadane !!! Shine shine !!!
1669 [20:36:24] <nsudo> ksk right@debian!!
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1672 [20:37:25] <annadane> nsudo, i do suggest debian, unless you have a reason not to
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1675 [20:38:39] <annadane> oh, interesting replaced-url
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1685 [20:44:46] <annadane> for a long time i really thought parrot and kali were on the same footing and would stringently advise against either, but apparently parrot can in fact be used as a desktop
1686 [20:44:51] <annadane> not that i really recommend parrot, either
1687 [20:45:31] <annadane> not to discourage people too strongly from using other debian derived distro at any cost, because ultimately it helps the ecosystem
1688 [20:45:43] <annadane> but unfortunately 'i want to be a hacker' is too prevalent
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1692 [20:47:03] <nyov> now someone just needs to write 20 reasons to prefer debian over parrot and kali. when I see that list there, 8/10 "reasons" are about the nice DE look :p
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1695 [20:47:41] <CutMeOwnThroat> 1) why take a cheap copy when you can have the original
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1697 [20:47:49] <nsudo> annadane i want to know about the security of both when it comes to defense or deb tweaks to make it hardcore
1698 [20:48:25] <nsudo> so that we can come through google amazon and other spies these days
1699 [20:48:38] <annadane> yeah, see, to me that isn't a great motivation
1700 [20:48:45] <annadane> it's better to have a more general understanding first
1701 [20:49:09] <nsudo> nyov right we all should! annadane right
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1703 [20:50:06] <annadane> i sound like a shill promoting debian but really, it has a million (not literal) packages and it's good to understand linux as a whole first, especially with again, this sort of hacker mentality where people only want to use linux for pentesting
1704 [20:50:18] <nsudo> i am a US CPA and all i care about my servers and data protection, what better than deb
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1707 [20:50:43] <nsudo> redhat is not too yum
1708 [20:50:50] <annadane> but yes, in terms of 'better', i think if you have to ask that question parrot is 'better' than kali
1709 [20:51:05] <annadane> parrot can apparently at least be used as a desktop somewhat, not kali
1710 [20:51:27] <nsudo> right parrot is better as desktop kali breaks often
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1712 [20:52:18] <annadane> i haven't used either and i don't know how often kali breaks but i hear it uses a root shell by default and root is typically only something one uses in special circumstances so it's very easy for a newbie to get burned
1713 [20:52:32] <annadane> i should install both on a vm and try it and then i'll really be able to tell users the pitfalls
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1717 [20:53:30] <nsudo> yes right my vintage macbook pro nvdia scam of apple works wow on deb 10 easily comes over display issues
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1719 [20:53:54] <nsudo> annadane parrot is better
1720 [20:54:03] <annadane> yeah but really, just use debian
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1722 [20:54:34] <annadane> a lot of people who need to ask are probably new (otherwise they wouldn't be asking here, because debian is not parrot/kali) should just use debian
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1724 [20:55:39] <nsudo> annadane right am new to these 2 distroz otherwise debian 10 works cool
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1727 [20:59:11] <annadane> supposedly parrot does sandbox a bunch of stuff by default
1728 [20:59:18] <annadane> so if you're security minded then yeah fine i guess parrot may be ok
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1730 [20:59:55] <annadane> anyway, enough of my rambling about it
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1742 [21:07:46] <nsudo> annadane yo thanks
1743 [21:08:06] <annadane> i just think debian itself also has plenty of security tools and stuff
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1747 [21:11:25] <annadane> okay, i do actually have a support question, why in MATE can i not launch terminal based programs from either rofi or the applications menu?
1748 [21:11:34] <annadane> in xfce it works fine
1749 [21:11:46] <annadane> my preferred terminal application is even set to mate-terminal in the settings
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1756 [21:19:46] <nyov> you mean it should automatically run the program in your favorite terminal?
1757 [21:19:56] <annadane> well in theory
1758 [21:20:47] <annadane> i feel like xfce... sets the... associations differently? i have to look into it
1759 [21:21:06] <annadane> not that it's a lot of work to just open up a terminal and type the program name, it's a very trivial question
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1762 [21:23:40] <nsudo> xterm works annadane
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1764 [21:24:35] <annadane> maybe something in mate-desktop-environment-extras has it
1765 [21:25:20] <annadane> or maybe mate just launches with the default terminal, so if i set x-terminal-emulator to mate-terminal it may work
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1767 [21:27:46] <nsudo> annadane yes it should work
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1775 [21:35:54] <jhutchins> annadane: Because linux is text based, it was assumed only GUI applications would be run from the GUI. The default is that you have to either build a menu entry/icon with "run in terminal" enabled, or the console-only program won't launch.
1776 [21:36:13] <jhutchins> annadane: Debian or xfce has apparently tweaked that default.
1777 [21:36:20] <annadane> okay, so xfce is the exception
1778 [21:36:22] <annadane> good to know
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1781 [21:37:22] <jhutchins> How did you get text based programs in your start menu to begin with?
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1786 [21:38:36] <annadane> *shrug* mate does it automatically
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1938 [23:43:23] <kale> i am having some trouble with virt-clone, what i get is "UnboundLocalError: local variable 'need' referenced before assignment". It looks like this bug has been fixed in upstream. would you guys know if there is a fix in debian?
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1949 [23:47:58] <kale> in stretch, the function "is_size_conflict" in /usr/share/virt-manager/virtinst/diskbackend.py just always returns false. in buster it actually does something
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1951 [23:51:28] <jhutchins> ,v virt-clone
1952 [23:51:29] <judd> No package named 'virt-clone' was found in amd64.
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1954 [23:51:56] <kale> oh, its a binary (or python i think)
1955 [23:53:05] <kale> its from virtinst
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