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• 41[00:09:04] <dka> On linux debian, I am using google-chrome-stable, I was configuring a reverse proxy and it got cached using the wrong domain. I have tried to go chrome://net-internals/#dns and click on "Flush DNS" but that didn't change anything. Firefox can see the page. I am web devops and I haven't solved this issue for years. Would love to know how to do one day :O
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• 125[00:20:02] <warsoul> having some issue booting my pc
• 126[00:20:06] <warsoul> have the pictures
• 127[00:20:10] <warsoul> where can i post them?
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• 132[00:20:37] <annadane> !paste
• 133[00:20:37] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
• 134[00:20:46] <annadane> wares^
• 135[00:20:48] <annadane> errr
• 136[00:20:51] <annadane> warsoul, ^
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• 141[00:22:31] <warsoul> annadane, replaced-url
• 142[00:22:47] <warsoul> annadane, replaced-url
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• 145[00:23:42] <annadane> both 404 not found
• 146[00:23:54] <kreyren> How do i install all dependencies requried to build debian package?
• 147[00:24:10] <kreyren> there is a command for it and i don't know what is it.. (used it before)
• 148[00:24:22] * kreyren needs to compile wine
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• 150[00:24:42] <annadane> apt build-dep
• 151[00:24:49] <kreyren> annadane, ty
• 152[00:25:01] <warsoul> annadane, replaced-url
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• 155[00:26:35] <annadane> although honestly for compiling stuff i tend to check github or whatever for what you truly actually need
• 156[00:26:41] <annadane> rather than 'install 81 packages'
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• 158[00:27:18] <warsoul> annadane, that link is working
• 159[00:27:35] <annadane> warsoul, yeah, i saw. i can't diagnose though, wait a bit for someone else
• 160[00:27:44] <warsoul> ok thanks
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• 164[00:28:51] <annadane> i guess i shouldn't said that sooner, sorry
• 165[00:28:54] <annadane> by way of acknowledgement
• 166[00:28:59] <annadane> i'm bad at that
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• 170[00:30:40] <somiaj> kreyren: why do you need to compile wine? Have you checked out the packages at winehq?
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• 172[00:31:12] <somiaj> warsoul: I get 404 on both those links
• 173[00:31:19] <annadane> somiaj, check the imgur
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• 175[00:31:24] <annadane> that he posted
• 176[00:31:25] <kreyren> somiaj, testing the winehq patches where my unix-like OS partition is hugged up to oblivion because of insufficient QA and being too lazy to recompile gentoo/exherbo
• 177[00:31:33] <annadane> replaced-url
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• 179[00:32:01] <kreyren> well my exherbo would take 12 mins, but effort
• 180[00:32:06] <somiaj> warsoul: looks like issues with an encrypted system, I have little experience here too
• 181[00:32:23] <somiaj> kreyren: ahh yea, apt-get build-dep wine (if you have a deb-src line in your sources.list) will do the trick
• 182[00:32:42] <kreyren> somiaj, yep building it now ^^
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• 185[00:33:11] <somiaj> kreyren: note you might want to consider using a 32bit chroot (if you need a 32bit version of wine). Compling a true wine that supports both 32bit and 64bit in debian is a pain (last I looked into it, which I never cared to figure out). I would always just make my own 32bit only versions.
• 186[00:34:17] <kreyren> somiaj, i need multilib only now and i should be able to fix the issue on my main OS in case i need 32-bit afaik on debian there is a way to do it, but i also never cared about it xD
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• 194[00:45:03] <warsoul> somiaj, how can i fix it?
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• 196[00:46:02] <somiaj> I don't know, did you recentally change kernels, can you boot from an older kernel?
• 197[00:46:14] <warsoul> i reboot the pc
• 198[00:46:17] <warsoul> and boots fine
• 199[00:46:21] <warsoul> that happens sometimes
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• 202[00:46:27] <warsoul> havent done nothing
• 203[00:46:31] <warsoul> just regular updates
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• 206[00:46:55] <somiaj> so this happens only sometimes and if you reboot it works?
• 207[00:47:01] <warsoul> yeah
• 208[00:47:14] <somiaj> this almost sounds like a subtle hardware issue that sometimes triggers
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• 210[00:47:21] <somiaj> I would at least test your memeory
• 211[00:47:46] <annadane> the capital of portugal is lisbon
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• 213[00:48:09] <warsoul> somiaj, how do i do that?
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• 217[00:50:20] <somiaj> !memtest86
• 218[00:50:20] <dpkg> To test a computer's memory subsystem for faults, use either: memtest86 / memtest86+ (thorough real-mode testers) or memtester (userspace utility), all packaged for Debian. memtest86+ is included in <debian live> CD/DVD images. replaced-url
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• 221[00:50:39] <somiaj> ,v memtest86+
• 222[00:50:40] <judd> Package: memtest86+ on amd64 -- jessie: 5.01-2; buster: 5.01-3; stretch: 5.01-3; bullseye: 5.01-3.1; sid: 5.01-3.1
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• 224[00:50:55] <somiaj> should be able to just install memtest86+ and then when you boot, yo ushould see an option to run it in grub
• 225[00:51:08] <somiaj> it should do multpile passes (I would run it while you are sleeping, this can take 8+ hours)
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• 227[00:53:29] <warsoul> ok
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• 229[00:53:43] <warsoul> somiaj, so just apt-get install memtest86+
• 230[00:53:43] <warsoul> ?
• 231[00:53:48] <somiaj> correct
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• 234[00:54:07] <somiaj> (note I'm assuming you have x86/x86_64 system, if you are using arm or some other arch this may not work)
• 235[00:54:22] <warsoul> somiaj, and if something is wrong will get fixed?
• 236[00:54:35] <somiaj> no
• 237[00:54:35] <warsoul> Client: HexChat 2.14.2 • OS: Debian 10.2 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-9900K CPU @ 3.60GHz (800MHz) • Memory: Physical: 30.6 GiB Total (29.7 GiB Free) Swap: 31.2 GiB Total (31.2 GiB Free) • Storage: 53.6 GB / 983.5 GB (929.9 GB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation Atom processor C2000 SoC Transaction Router @ 8086:3e30 • Uptime: 1h 1m 35s
• 238[00:54:47] <somiaj> if you have bad memory, you'll have to replace it
• 239[00:54:56] <warsoul> memories are new
• 240[00:54:57] <somiaj> this will only tell you weither this issue is due to bad memeory or not
• 241[00:54:58] <warsoul> both
• 242[00:55:01] <somiaj> they can still be bad.
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• 244[00:55:08] <warsoul> ok
• 245[00:55:26] <somiaj> it could be something else, but if this only happens sometimes during boot, it to me sounds like hardware, could be bad memeory (it might not be, but testing it is the only way to be sure)
• 246[00:55:52] <warsoul> ok im going to test it late before going to bed
• 247[00:55:56] <warsoul> will let you know tomorrow
• 248[00:56:04] <somiaj> it could also be some issue with your firmware (do you have any firmware upgrades from your computer's manufacture), it could also be due to some setting in your firmware, but I don't know enough to have much clue
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• 250[00:57:56] <warsoul> somiaj, that started happening couple of days ago
• 251[00:58:09] <warsoul> havent done no firmware updates, etc.
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• 254[00:59:15] <somiaj> if you have done a recent kernel update, you can check older kernels, maybe there is some regression, again I don't really know what it could be
• 255[00:59:42] <somiaj> I'm just going off of the "it sometimes works and sometimes doesn't" part which is often times more hardware and less software
• 256[01:00:01] <somiaj> the software should do the same thing everytime giving the same conditions, so some conditions are changing between boots, which leads to firmware/memeory.
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• 258[01:01:44] <warsoul> ok
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• 565[05:42:30] <at0m> ,v mpv
• 566[05:42:31] <judd> Package: mpv on amd64 -- jessie: 0.6.2-2; stretch: 0.23.0-2+deb9u2; stretch-security: 0.23.0-2+deb9u2; buster: 0.29.1-1; bullseye: 0.30.0-1; sid: 0.30.0-1; stretch-multimedia: 1:0.27.2-dmo1+deb9u1; buster-multimedia: 1:0.29.1-dmo2; bullseye-multimedia: 1:0.30.0-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:0.30.0-dmo1
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• 568[05:43:26] <annadane> every time you don't /msg the bot, a kitten dies
• 569[05:43:39] <dvs> do it again!
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• 580[05:56:43] <nyov> With virtualbox going out of style in debian, is there a way for me to move a handful oldish activated windows VMs over to qemu, by emulating vbox hardware well enough that the OS won't ask for reactivation?
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• 602[06:13:20] <nvz> nyov: upstream packages work well enough for me that I just keep using virtualbox
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• 604[06:14:07] <nvz> nyov: I just installed the new 6.1 upstream package, fixed issues I had with guest additions and now supports linux 5.x
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• 616[06:24:09] <nvz> dpkg, vbox-install buster is <reply>Lucas Nussbaum maintains an unofficial and unsupported backport of the sid package at replaced-url
• 617[06:24:10] <dpkg> okay, nvz
• 618[06:24:15] <nvz> replaced-url
• 619[06:24:18] <nvz> meh
• 620[06:25:00] <nvz> dpkg vbox-install buster =~ s#wget -q#wget -q replaced-url
• 621[06:25:00] <dpkg> nvz: that's too long
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• 623[06:25:11] <nvz> dpkg vbox-install buster =~ s#wget -q#wget -q replaced-url
• 624[06:25:11] <dpkg> nvz: that's too long
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• 626[06:25:25] <nvz> we will have a longer discussion in /msg :P
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• 630[06:30:30] <nvz> updated <virtualbox>, added <vbox-install buster> and <vbox buster backport> factoids.
• 631[06:30:38] <nvz> dpkg, vbox-install buster
• 632[06:30:38] <dpkg> You can install the upstream package by doing: echo "deb [arch=amd64] replaced-url
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• 636[06:32:13] <nvz> dpkg, vbox-install buster
• 637[06:32:13] <dpkg> Ask me about <vbox buster backport> or install the upstream package by doing: echo "deb [arch=amd64] replaced-url
• 638[06:32:20] <nvz> that works better I guess
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• 642[06:35:37] <echosystm> i read somewhere nftables might be replaced with something else in future, but i can't find it now
• 643[06:36:03] <echosystm> whats the most future proof thing right now? iptables? nftables? some other thing?
• 644[06:36:04] <nvz> really I believe in most cases we should be using pkexec instead of sudo in documenting things.. cause 1) neither is in base, sudo only installed if no rootpw set, but pkexec is installed with any DE 2) pkexec takes modern freedesktop.org standards and security concerns into consideration
• 645[06:36:07] <jm_> surely you mean iptables and nftables?
• 646[06:36:20] <echosystm> no, im aware nftables deprecates iptables
• 647[06:36:20] <nvz> echosystm: nftables is the new thing, that replaces iptables
• 648[06:36:30] <nvz> dpkg, nftables
• 649[06:36:30] <dpkg> nftables is the next generation of iptables, incorporating both v4 and v6: replaced-url
• 650[06:36:32] <jm_> I certainly hope you are wrong
• 651[06:36:36] <echosystm> but i read somewhere that theres some even newer thing coming around
• 652[06:36:45] <echosystm> (which i really hope is untrue lol)
• 653[06:37:16] <echosystm> i haven't done server stuff for a while - is buster fully onboard with nftables at this point?
• 654[06:37:23] <echosystm> or are we still in a transitional phase?
• 655[06:37:23] <jm_> the only thing I can think of is something using BPF
• 656[06:37:59] <jm_> specifically bpfilter
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• 658[06:38:06] <echosystm> that might be it
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• 660[06:38:33] <nvz> and ebtables but that is a specific use case
• 661[06:38:36] <echosystm> it sounds familiar
• 662[06:40:07] <echosystm> also, whats the state of systemd in buster? i think last time i was messing with servers i was on jesse and it seemed like debian hadn't fully bought in yet to the level of centos etc.
• 663[06:40:24] <nvz> we're all in on systemd in buster
• 664[06:40:30] <echosystm> cool
• 665[06:40:35] <echosystm> and nftables?
• 666[06:40:39] <nvz> just certain bits are still iffy
• 667[06:40:47] <nvz> and nftables too
• 668[06:40:53] <echosystm> cool
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• 670[06:41:08] <echosystm> good. looks like i'll be using debian then :)
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• 673[06:42:02] <Unit193> echosystm: There's a question for bullseye as to go systemd-only, require support for non-systemd, or do best efforts.
• 674[06:42:52] <Unit193> replaced-url
• 675[06:43:54] <echosystm> ah i see!
• 676[06:44:09] <echosystm> so buster still has a lot of init script stuff, not just systemd config files?
• 677[06:44:36] <echosystm> i've been out of the game for a while and dont remember the details of how systemd was implemented in debian last time
• 678[06:44:57] <nvz> the files may still be included to support non-systemd use.. but systemd doesn't use those.. it can use such files to build units..
• 679[06:45:00] <jm_> well with so many packages not everything has been convereted to systemd
• 680[06:45:18] <Unit193> nvz: Systemd does use init scripts.
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• 682[06:45:56] <echosystm> from memory, the redhat world had gone all in on systemd and that was the only option
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• 685[06:46:07] <nvz> Unit193: that'd be news to me.. all I seen was that it can build a unit from sysvinit scripts not use them directly
• 686[06:46:11] <echosystm> whereas debian was only using systemd to bridge the old init stuff or something to that effect
• 687[06:46:29] <jm_> redhat has quite smaller amount of packages compared to debian
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• 689[06:46:48] <Unit193> nvz: I believe the unit files are basically 'run init script'. A *lot* of packages only have init scripts which systemd sort of translates.
• 690[06:46:50] <jm_> no, some stuff has been fully convreted to systemd, but as I said above, not all
• 691[06:46:56] <jm_> debian is full in on systemd
• 692[06:47:01] <echosystm> of course. dont get me wrong, im a debian fanboy. i'll take it over rhel.centos any day haha.
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• 694[06:47:15] <Unit193> jm_: Can you define 'full in'?
• 695[06:47:32] <jm_> Unit193: as in there's no way back
• 696[06:47:35] <echosystm> just for this particular project i want to go all in on the "latest standards"
• 697[06:47:53] <Unit193> jm_: Please see the link I just posted, that's not yet accurate. It's actually the question being posed.
• 698[06:48:10] <nvz> yeah well this has been a rocky time for that.. kind of like the period when we'd faced devfs, hal, udev transitions
• 699[06:48:11] <jm_> Unit193: I am aware of it, what I said above is reality though :)
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• 701[06:48:36] <nvz> there are a lot of things like wayland, python3 migration, etc.. that have things kind of up in the air
• 702[06:48:41] <Unit193> jm_: Not really, I have a sid system with Xfce that uses sysvinit.
• 703[06:49:13] <jm_> Unit193: yeah, I know, I also had systems using sysvinit until lately and still could
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• 706[06:56:37] <echosystm> so tldr; in terms of the latest "standards", do you think buster or latest centos is a better choice?
• 707[06:56:46] <echosystm> or no difference?
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• 709[06:57:26] <nvz> I couldn't give two cents about centos
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• 715[06:59:33] <jm_> you're in #debian, what do you expect to hear? :)
• 716[07:00:03] <echosystm> a more balanced opinion than i would get in #centos :P
• 717[07:00:09] <echosystm> probsbly less hostile too
• 718[07:01:12] <echosystm> my interactions with the rhel community havent been as positive as here
• 719[07:01:17] <nvz> yeah, cause people who use the original debian, not one of a billion spinoffs, are likely to go using a spinoff of a totally different system :P
• 720[07:01:27] <Unit193> It wouldn't surprise me if CentOS had more native units than Debian did, but as far as "standards" go..
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• 725[07:03:26] <nvz> since I found debian I've only installed two other linux OSes, SLES cause someone else was paying for me to get a CompTIA Linux+, figured I may as well glance at the OS its based on.. and GUIXSD cause after watching a debconf talk about it, I just had to see somethng so ridiculous with my own eyes. neither I used more than maybe an hour
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• 727[07:05:02] <jm_> is GUIXSD a thing with multiple versioned packages coexisting or something along that line (perhaps each package in its own dir instead)? I've heard of the name, just don't remember the details
• 728[07:05:46] <nvz> jm_: thats guix, yes, and GuixSD is the distro.. guix itself is just the whole shebang that they think can co-exist inside other distros... but I shave, so GuixSD isn't for me.. heh.. you gotta have a neck beard to at least your sternum.. heh
• 729[07:07:13] <nyov> something like nixos? kinda wish debian could go that road a little bit, with multiple package versions co-installable
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• 731[07:10:28] <nyov> I mean, some package already do co-installs. Just make it somehow global, like multiarch did for arch's, and enhance update-alternatives to handle package versions, or something along those lines
• 732[07:10:47] <nvz> idk what nixos is, but guix is crazy.. you can have not just multiple versions but compiled against multiple different versions of deps and such.. each specific build gets a UUID kinda deal attached to its version number and everything is all symlinked into a tangled web and you manipulate symlinks and path vars to use different ones your ps output shows mile long strings of symlinked binaries with UUID type
• 733[07:10:53] <nvz> crap..
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• 735[07:11:42] <nvz> its one of those things you just have to see to believe
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• 737[07:13:32] <nvz> replaced-url
• 738[07:14:06] <nvz> plays like one of those aliens documentaries.. you just gotta see it..
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• 740[07:15:35] <nyov> oh yeah, I saw that. replaced-url
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• 777[07:47:26] <pragomer> hi I got a question about cryptsetup/luks: I used passphrase "a" for both: my systemdrive and an external usb drive. now I wanted to change the passphrase for my system from "a" to passphrase "b". it worked. after verifying, I did "cryptseup luksRemoveKey /dev/sdx" to my root partition and deleted passphrase "a" from it. But after that, the key was also removed from my external usb drive. and i could only open it with pw "b". Is this
• 778[07:47:27] <pragomer> normal?
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• 873[08:47:20] <MaxFrames> hello
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• 875[08:48:18] <MaxFrames> last week I created a debian virtual machine running on windows server hyper-v; it ran smoothly for a few days; then suddenly yesterday it stopped responding; I was offsite so I couldn't diagnose; today I found this situation:
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• 881[08:49:40] <MaxFrames> the vm was running on the hyper-v host, but would not respond to pings or accept any connections; I opened the hyper-v console (i.e. display the gui of the vm) and I found that it was displaying the logon screen (as expected) but with some artifacts that after a few seconds disappeared
• 882[08:49:53] <MaxFrames> immediately after that, the vm started responding again
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• 884[08:50:17] <MaxFrames> so I connected via ssh and started journalctl to see what happened
• 885[08:50:47] <MaxFrames> the last "normal" entry was around 11.30 am yesterday, then absolutely nothing until the moment I connected to the console and "resurrected" the vm
• 886[08:52:01] <MaxFrames> I will pastebin some relevant lines in journalctl, but what sprung to my attentionin particular is a "rcu: INFO: rcu_sched self-detected stall on CPU" followed by "rcu: rcu_sched kthread starved for 190768 jiffies!"
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• 888[08:53:18] <MaxFrames> an immediate question is: does debian 10 already have (as in "installed by default") all the daemons and services required to run as an hyper-v guest? I think so, but can you confirm? just to rule out the cause being some missing integration component
• 889[08:53:56] <MaxFrames> around the time the issue happened, I was doing maintenance on the hosts, so the vm got live migrated from host 1 to host 2 and then back to host 1, one of these live migrations _may_ have caused the issue
• 890[08:54:12] <MaxFrames> btw this morning I live migrated it again back and forth, and it is still working
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• 906[09:00:41] <MaxFrames> replaced-url
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• 925[09:12:54] <MaxFrames> the only best practice that I didn't follow for a linux guest on hyper-v was to set a static mac address (apparently linux does not like it to change dynamically, which can happen when the vm is live migrated); I fixed this now, but I doubt it was the cause of the "cpu stall"
• 926[09:13:41] <MaxFrames> what is surprising is that the vm resumed smoothly... no errors, no kernel panic, it just kicked back to life by just "touching" it... it looks more like it was hibernated, but I (think I have) disabled suspend
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• 931[09:15:49] <MaxFrames> btw can you point me to a definitive surefire guide to disable all energy saving functions on debian buster?
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• 936[09:20:16] <MaxFrames> is this authoritative?
• 937[09:20:18] <MaxFrames> replaced-url
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• 940[09:20:45] <MaxFrames> "sudo systemctl mask sleep.target suspend.target hibernate.target hybrid-sleep.target" => disables all types of suspension in debian 10?
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• 983[09:53:42] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys i installed samba or reinstalled it and now my samba is not starting again
• 984[09:53:44] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
• 985[09:53:49] <Eryn_1983_FL> not sure what going on
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• 988[09:54:29] <Mathisen> am i just dumb or why is blkid missing from util-linux ?
• 989[09:54:50] <Mathisen> util-linux is already the newest version (2.33.1-0.1). zsh: command not found: blkid
• 990[09:55:39] <Mathisen> nevermind.... i was dumb needed root priv
• 991[09:56:10] <WaveHusky> How can I specifically view init(8) and not init(1)?
• 992[09:57:14] <jm_> man 8 init
• 993[09:58:18] <MaxFrames> hi jm_
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• 995[09:58:38] <jm_> heya
• 996[09:59:00] <MaxFrames> I trust your knowledge, so if you could have a look at the backlog, whenever able, that'd be great :)
• 997[09:59:53] <MaxFrames> in short, my buster vm apparently "froze" for one day and I'm not sure why; I hope I have solved it by disabling all suspend features, but tbh I don't know what happened
• 998[10:00:26] <MaxFrames> there is a possibility it doesn't like hyper-v or being live migrated
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• 1001[10:01:25] <jm_> MaxFrames: I saw it when you posted, but I am really not up to speed with what you asked about, I only ever use very old suspend methods s2disk (not anymore really) and s2ram, as for hyperv stuff, I've only ever got in contact with it when they created a development VM for me :)
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• 1005[10:01:51] <MaxFrames> ok np :P
• 1006[10:02:15] <jm_> in general suspend is normally user triggered, and you would see it in logs I believe, so I doubt that was it
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• 1008[10:02:35] <jm_> but what you said about MAC might be something that matches non-working pings
• 1009[10:02:52] <MaxFrames> generally speaking, what does "self detected cpu stall" mean?
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• 1011[10:03:44] <MaxFrames> I don't think it was the dynamic mac thing btw, because that would not explain journalctl not having recorded any events for one entire day
• 1012[10:04:07] <jm_> have daily cron jobs at 6:25 also not run?
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• 1014[10:04:18] <MaxFrames> nothing ran, based on those logs
• 1015[10:04:43] <MaxFrames> there is a gaping hole from 11:30 am yesterday to 8:30 am today when I connected to the console
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• 1017[10:04:53] <jm_> I would focus on hyperv side of things to inspect things, i.e. if it shows guest activity status and so on
• 1018[10:04:59] <MaxFrames> it smells like some issue with the hypervisor
• 1019[10:05:06] <jm_> (like CPU, memory, block devices)
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• 1030[10:10:51] <MaxFrames> replaced-url
• 1031[10:12:21] <jm_> yeah RCU mechanis has that built in, it's a novel but quite advanced concept
• 1032[10:12:40] <jm_> well not so novel anymore :)
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• 1050[10:29:14] <hejux_> i don't get it, ping6 is a link to /bin/ping, ping6 ipv4host.com returns error, ping ipv4host.com returns ipv4 address, what's the magic here?
• 1051[10:30:25] <jm_> well it can check how it was run and change behaviour based on that, so obviously in one case it's AAAA lookup, which does not work for you?
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• 1055[10:33:54] <hejux_> i mean, if ping6 is a symbolic link to ping, why does ping6 forces ipv6 only?
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• 1058[10:34:39] <jm_> what's the exact error you get?
• 1059[10:34:43] <hejux_> ping6 is not an alias, not a function, but a soft link to ping.
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• 1061[10:36:16] <hejux_> jm_: using ping6 to ping a ipv4 only host, No address associated with hostname, ping6 on a dual address host, Network is unreachable.
• 1062[10:36:26] <Unit193> hejux_: It can know what binary is being called though, that's how busybox works too (link 'ls' to busybox, etc.) even firejail has this function to sandbox specific applications.
• 1063[10:36:33] <hejux_> i have only ipv4 on local
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• 1065[10:36:40] <jm_> hejux_: then it won't work
• 1066[10:37:11] <hejux_> Unit193: that makes sense, how does a soft link know that ping6 is ping -6 ?
• 1067[10:37:53] <Unit193> 'ping' knows you are calling 'ping6', so it works accordingly.
• 1068[10:37:54] <jm_> very simplified version: if (!strcmp(argv[0], "ping6"))
• 1069[10:38:05] <Unit193> ↑
• 1070[10:38:48] <hejux_> jm_: thanks for the info, get it now.
• 1071[10:38:57] <jm_> no problem
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• 1073[10:39:32] <hejux_> this is crazy, some old system does not have 'ping -6' only have ping6, some new system does not have ping6, only have 'ping -6'
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• 1076[10:39:58] <jm_> ipv6 adoption is a sad thing
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• 1112[11:10:07] <EdePopede> why, we all need it for the Internet of Trash
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• 1157[11:48:55] <nyov> and here I thought 2020 would be the year for shutting off ipv4 :D
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• 1181[12:12:57] <EdePopede> before this happens we'll reach the world climate targets. or BER opens. or trump gets the peace nobel prize. or facemash becoees a *real* social network.
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• 1190[12:18:18] <g0zzy> "Dec 13 10:01:50 asusdesk nm-dispatcher[605]: req:1 'hostname', "/etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/mail-tj-stub": complete: failed with Script '/etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/mail-tj-stub' exited with error status 1."
• 1191[12:18:31] <g0zzy> What is 'hostname' there do you think?
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• 1198[12:32:04] <nyov> Is anyone aware of a ADSL2/Annex J type pc card or a hackable DSL modem running linux?
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• 1200[12:34:55] <g0zzy> Well of course they mostly all run Linux ;). But check out the OpenWrt hardware list
• 1201[12:35:30] <jelly> most are hackable with an ax only
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• 1203[12:35:48] <nyov> g0zzy: Not looking for a router, just a modem.
• 1204[12:36:22] <nyov> or something that lets me look at the mostly raw incoming wire traffic
• 1205[12:36:33] <g0zzy> Ah. I only know of modem-routers
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• 1207[12:36:49] <horseshoecrab> nyov: you probably want a router running linux set up in bridge mode then i suspect
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• 1209[12:37:09] <horseshoecrab> so that it is effectively just working as a pppoe thingy.
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• 1212[12:39:32] <hummingbee> "raw incoming wire traffic"?
• 1213[12:39:43] <nyov> horseshoecrab: yeah, possibly.
• 1214[12:43:15] <horseshoecrab> hummingbee: excellent question - i guess my answer was a little ppp specific (with a touch of implied l2tp)
• 1215[12:43:30] <horseshoecrab> other protocols and ofc. "modems" are available.
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• 1218[12:44:22] <nyov> hummingbee: well, there is that magic stuff like TR-069 going on, and I'd kinda like to know what stuff the network is sending to the device.
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• 1221[12:48:04] <DrOwl> Hi All, i am not sure if this is a bug in xfce or some thing more debian specific... I have mutiple monitors on of which has a xfce4-panel at the top... but i am getting a reserved space at the top of the second monitor too, any suggestions?
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• 1287[13:41:34] <mq> hello. Does brave webbrowser require unprivileged_userns_clone=1 in debian 10? Is there a way to work around it?
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• 1300[13:51:18] <srged_> I have an old laptop with a broken display. If I'd connect a monitor to the laptop. Is there any way to make it start directly? I mean I don't want to always manually switch the screen to monitor...
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• 1305[13:52:34] <karlpinc> My laptop automatically displays on a plugged in monitor. If yours does not maybe there's a bios/whatever setting.
• 1306[13:53:07] <srged_> karlpinc: ok thx for answering
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• 1308[13:54:02] <jelly> srged_: see if powering on the laptop when the monitor is already connected and also powered on helps things a bit
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• 1311[13:55:05] <srged_> ok thanks guys, ill go and test it out
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• 1318[14:01:54] <paolob> hi guys! since pound isn't in debian buster, what can I substituti it with?
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• 1320[14:02:14] <jelly> paolob: what does it do?
• 1321[14:02:16] <jelly> ,v pound
• 1322[14:02:17] <judd> Package: pound on amd64 -- jessie: 2.6-6+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.6-6+deb8u1; stretch: 2.7-1.3+deb9u1; sid: 2.8-2
• 1323[14:02:24] <jelly> ,i pound
• 1324[14:02:25] <judd> No package named 'pound' was found in buster/amd64.
• 1325[14:02:31] <jelly> ,i pound --release sid
• 1326[14:02:33] <judd> Package pound (net, optional) in sid/amd64: reverse proxy, load balancer and HTTPS front-end for Web servers. Version: 2.8-2; Size: 98.5k; Installed: 258k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 1328[14:02:48] <jelly> paolob: haproxy perhaps?
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• 1330[14:02:54] <paolob> @jelly it manages hpps and forwards to varnish+apache
• 1331[14:02:57] <paolob> https
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• 1333[14:03:13] <jelly> or nginx
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• 1361[14:24:22] <nyov> paolob: I'd recommend hitch for varnish, haproxy otherwise
• 1362[14:24:59] <jelly> ,v hitch
• 1363[14:25:00] <judd> Package: hitch on amd64 -- stretch: 1.4.4-1; buster: 1.5.0-1; bullseye: 1.5.0-2; sid: 1.5.2-1
• 1364[14:25:01] <paolob> @nyov I'm using varnish already as an apache' cache
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• 1366[14:26:15] <nyov> paolob: then you may want hitch, but haproxy works as well, ofc
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• 1368[14:26:35] <paolob> thank you
• 1369[14:26:44] <jelly> > Hitch is a libev-based high performance SSL/TLS proxy by Varnish Software [...] performant up to 15 000 listening sockets and 500 000 certificates
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• 1371[14:26:59] <jelly> TIL!
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• 1374[14:29:34] <nyov> hitch is mostly a lightweight SSL terminator only, if you do routing logic etc. in varnish. haproxy is more full-featured
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• 1376[14:31:28] <nyov> (but there are some features lacking in hitch, e.g. replaced-url
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• 1383[14:34:31] <jelly> unix domain socket as backend is a nice touch
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• 1444[15:08:45] <kreyren> is there any package that would be able to open a preview of a jekyll website on debian?
• 1445[15:08:58] * kreyren needs something that just opens the website in a new window for gitpod integration
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• 1449[15:10:56] <jelly> I've set vm.swappiness = 0, dropped caches so there's 3GB free free RAM, not even cached and available, and this stretch system is _still_ putting some stuff onto swap. Why.
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• 1453[15:13:37] <diogenes_> jelly, some applications use swap for their needs also i've noticed when copying files with gui, it also uses swap even when there is plenty of RAM.
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• 1455[15:14:31] <jelly> how precisely does a userspace app say "I'd like this page to be paged out to swap"
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• 1457[15:14:49] <jelly> I don't think that's a thing that exists
• 1458[15:14:55] <nyov> xD
• 1459[15:15:15] <nyov> that'd be the day. swap-dos
• 1460[15:15:34] <serverman> software defined swap
• 1461[15:15:58] <jelly> tmpfs is the closest thing, but it's still backed by ram+swap not just swap
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• 1466[15:20:35] <whislock> Why is swap usage such a negative thing?
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• 1472[15:21:32] <colo-work> jelly, there's MADV_DONTNEED for madvise(), which is the closest thing to what you're asking for, afaik
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• 1477[15:24:02] <nyov> maybe just disable the swap if you don't want it used anyway?
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• 1480[15:24:44] <jelly> I just like things that behave predictably
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• 1483[15:25:34] <whislock> Why change the default swap configuration at all? Let memory management do its job.
• 1484[15:26:01] <whislock> I'm sure there are valid use cases for changing it, sure, but those are generally niche things.
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• 1493[15:31:28] <nyov> Can I find RFP/ITP bugs by software name?
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• 1496[15:33:03] <nyov> would like to know if anyone has considered packaging pagure
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• 1498[15:33:49] <rom1v> hi, I installed Debian 10.2 on a new laptop (I removed Windows), but it does not boot due to UEFI stuff: replaced-url
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• 1500[15:34:04] <rom1v> as you can see there is no grub or something: replaced-url
• 1501[15:34:19] <rom1v> it seems there is a problem with item 2.
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• 1503[15:34:32] <nyov> try disabling secure boot. just a guess
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• 1505[15:34:43] <rom1v> I can't, the item is disabled
• 1506[15:34:51] <rom1v> I can't switch it do disabled
• 1507[15:34:57] <nyov> oh, ok
• 1508[15:35:17] <nyov> how did you install debian?
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• 1511[15:35:39] <rom1v> from a usb key (I dd the .iso to the key)
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• 1516[15:36:45] <nyov> hum, they do have signed images these days, right? sorry, not my forte
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• 1519[15:38:15] <rom1v> oh, I can disable secure boot if I set a supervisor password :)
• 1520[15:38:20] <rom1v> but it does not solve the problem in fact
• 1521[15:38:26] <rom1v> there is still no grub or anything
• 1522[15:38:29] <rom1v> to boot on debian
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• 1525[15:39:01] <rom1v> oh in fact there is
• 1526[15:39:06] <rom1v> it has just no name \o/
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• 1558[15:52:21] <vlt> Hello. Where do I configure a boot menu timeout in a debian-live install?
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• 1602[16:22:08] <nvz> vlt: /etc/default/grub do update-grub afterwards
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• 1604[16:22:19] <nvz> vlt: and don't use live images to install
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• 1638[16:47:49] <store_scarecrow> <nvz> vlt: and don't use live images to install
• 1639[16:47:51] <store_scarecrow> What do you mean?
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• 1642[16:48:25] <greycat> Debian's live images have a long history of failing BADLY when one attempts to use them to install Debian.
• 1643[16:48:34] <greycat> Maybe it'll work. Maybe not. Who knows.
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• 1647[16:49:55] <annadane> except perhaps calamares
• 1648[16:49:58] <annadane> which i have not tried
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• 1650[16:50:19] <annadane> (calamares is an installer within the live image, new as of debian 10)
• 1651[16:51:16] <store_scarecrow> Has anyone noticed aliases dropping at random in Buster?
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• 1654[16:51:42] <greycat> Shell command aliases? Email aliases? Anti-aliased fonts?
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• 1656[16:52:22] <store_scarecrow> Like, I tried to do useradd and it said it didn't exist, so I did /usr/sbin/useradd and it worked.
• 1657[16:52:27] <greycat> !buster su
• 1658[16:52:27] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
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• 1660[16:52:36] <greycat> That's not an alias.
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• 1664[16:53:07] <store_scarecrow> Yeah, I knew as soon as I wrote it it wasn't gonna be right.
• 1665[16:53:07] <ayekat> That's a can-be-found-somewhere-in-my-PATH.
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• 1669[16:53:32] <store_scarecrow> If I reboot, it'll return to normal operation.
• 1670[16:53:45] <store_scarecrow> For this reason, I have yet to upgrade past Stretch for my servers .
• 1671[16:54:23] <greycat> Rebooting has nothing to do with your PATH. Read the wiki page that the bot gave you.
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• 1676[16:55:25] <store_scarecrow> I bet that's what happened.
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• 1679[16:56:17] <francis_murtagh> Hi, would someone be able to help me with packaging? Or is there a channel specially for it?
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• 1681[16:56:59] <store_scarecrow> So, ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes in /etc/login.defs would be close to what I'm used to.
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• 1684[16:58:26] <rplevka> hi all, is there a build for powerpcspe somewhere or was it discontinued?
• 1685[16:58:35] <rplevka> replaced-url
• 1686[16:58:48] <rplevka> wiki for it is still alive: replaced-url
• 1687[16:59:19] <greycat> there's a #debianppc channel that might know more about it than we do
• 1688[16:59:32] <rplevka> greycat, oh nice! thanks!
• 1689[16:59:42] <annadane> francis_murtagh, i suppose you can try asking here but maybe more helpful, #debian-mentors (for official debian packages) or #packaging (for local packages not for debian), both on irc.oftc.net
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• 1692[17:00:49] <OS-63198> !beta
• 1693[17:00:49] <dpkg> [beta] software ready to be tested, or a high energy electron or short for Betamax, a defunct video cassette standard
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• 1697[17:03:15] <annadane> local packages not for inclusion in the official debian repos, i guess i should say
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• 1735[17:30:07] <francis_murtagh> I'm using sbuild to build and install my package in a minimal isolated environment. For x86 I override_dh_auto_test to call my UnitTest executable which is in the temporary build area but not included in the package, that works fine as a form of verification. However the tool also has a use case wherein its crosscompiled for aarch64. Is there any way to run the crosscompiled aarch64 executables using sbuild so as to verify the
• 1736[17:30:07] <francis_murtagh> crossbuild worked?
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• 1740[17:32:22] <nvz> you'd probably need qemu or something for that
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• 1749[17:39:40] <polk2> hi, have anyone faced sqlserver installed on Debian. ms docs says Ubuntu is supported. what are the chances it will work on dbn?
• 1750[17:40:30] <mason> polk2: Supported and working are distinct things. You can almost certainly get it working on Debian, but it won't be supported, so it'll depend on your support needs I guess.
• 1751[17:40:46] <Mathisen> hmm any idea why my dns server is kinda getting flooded with requests "0.debian.pool.ntp.org" see image > replaced-url
• 1752[17:40:54] <Mathisen> this is happening like every 10 min
• 1753[17:41:22] <mason> polk2: replaced-url
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• 1759[17:43:42] <nvz> Mathisen: you have machines on your network trying to keep their clock synchronized?
• 1760[17:43:53] <ctrlrisc> I think you're referring to missing radeon firmware
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• 1763[17:44:35] <freebench> mason, I assume by 'supported' they mean it works there and it is supported on Ubuntu for now
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• 1766[17:46:28] <mason> freebench: 'supported' means a combination of 'it works,' 'it's supposed to work,' and 'here's some help'
• 1767[17:46:29] <ctrlrisc> sorry, please disregard last message. my chat buffer was at the top rather than bottom, very old conversation I was responding to
• 1768[17:47:18] <greycat> happens a lot :)
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• 1770[17:48:11] <freebench> mason, right. and it should work indeed, at least some core functionality
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• 1772[17:48:45] <mason> The first link also notes the possibility of just running it in a container, incidentally. So, letting in that method, just about anything ought to work.
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• 1778[17:50:02] <Mathisen> nvz, i dont even have ntpdate installed on any debian machine
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• 1780[17:50:22] <greycat> that's the new normal
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• 1785[17:55:59] <jelly> Mathisen: there are other ntp client packages, not just "ntp" with ntpd and ntpdate, there's chrony, even systemd has its own systemd-timesyncd
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• 1788[17:57:17] <jelly> Mathisen: if "timedatectl status" tells you NTP service: active, that's probably systemd-timesyncd
• 1789[17:58:45] <Mathisen> yep thats active
• 1790[17:59:53] <Mathisen> thanks i stoped the service for now
• 1791[17:59:57] <Mathisen> i see if it helps
• 1792[18:00:18] <jelly> who even wants a correct clock anyway
• 1793[18:01:07] <greycat> ntp, chrony, openntpd, and systemd-timesyncd, are the main players on this stage
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• 1809[18:08:44] <somiaj> nvz: I think eventually virtualbox is going to be put here, replaced-url
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• 1811[18:09:49] <annadane> interesting
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• 1814[18:10:13] <jelly> and this is called "fasttrack" instead of "volatile" because... reasons?
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• 1818[18:10:52] <somiaj> Unsure on that, this is just a new thing that I have heard virtualbox and similar software will be put that cannot be backported due to it cannot be in stable.
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• 1820[18:11:33] <jelly> it's a good thing
• 1821[18:11:34] <somiaj> though we will see if this ever gets any traction, but there are packgaes there allready
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• 1827[18:13:43] <somiaj> also be nice if firefox is put there too
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• 1829[18:14:57] <jelly> it's probably a better idea than having mozilla.d.n separately
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• 1833[18:15:42] <jelly> however if mozilla packaging team had resources to package it, they probably would have done that already
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• 1838[18:19:54] <NetTerminalGene> is fasttrack official?
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• 1840[18:20:25] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: nothing on .debian.net domain is official, those are all side projects
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• 1842[18:20:39] <jelly> stuff on .debian.org is official
• 1843[18:21:12] <karlpinc> Wasn't backports originally on .debian.net?
• 1844[18:21:16] <jelly> yes
• 1845[18:21:31] <somiaj> it was also its own thing for a while backports.org or something like that
• 1846[18:21:37] <karlpinc> NetTerminalGene: So, there's hope. :)
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• 1864[18:33:43] <mikeymop> I am trying to find how to switch java virtual packages
• 1865[18:33:50] <mikeymop> I have jdk 11 and 8 intalled
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• 1867[18:34:03] <mikeymop> I understand it's a bunch of symlinks like a versino manager
• 1868[18:34:22] <mikeymop> I want readlink -f /usr/bin/javac
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• 1871[18:34:39] <mikeymop> to display /usr/lib/jvm/java-8-openjdk*
• 1872[18:34:41] <jelly> update-java-altenatives --config
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• 1874[18:34:45] <mikeymop> thank you
• 1875[18:35:49] <jelly> oh, sorry, update-java-alternatives has no --config, you'll have to --list and --set ...
• 1876[18:36:06] <mikeymop> update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for mozilla-javaplugin.so
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• 1878[18:36:15] <mikeymop> yea I got that far
• 1879[18:36:34] <mikeymop> I have something missing on my system I believe but now I now what I am looking at, thanks again
• 1880[18:36:56] <jelly> some jdks have no java plugin, and that's fine. I think 8 was the last one
• 1881[18:37:08] <mikeymop> ah
• 1882[18:37:10] <mikeymop> sudo update-alternatives --config java
• 1883[18:37:30] <mikeymop> some other package manages the java version manager that manages the jdk
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• 1885[18:37:45] <jelly> that's an alternative yeah
• 1886[18:37:56] <jelly> no pun intended
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• 1890[18:39:14] <jelly> but "update-alternatives --config java" will, I believe, only tune /usr/bin/java and not, say, /usr/bin/javac
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• 1896[18:43:20] <Inconvenience> has anyone gotten the xscreen to save
• 1897[18:43:40] <Inconvenience> im sick of rearanging my screens
• 1898[18:44:31] <joepublic> arandr will save the screen layout as a shell script
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• 1901[18:46:18] <Inconvenience> im in the nvidia settings thing
• 1902[18:46:21] <Inconvenience> what do i do
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• 1905[18:47:16] <joepublic> I am unfamiliar with the nvidia settings thing.
• 1906[18:49:03] <darkstalker> nvidia-settings can save into a xorg.conf file
• 1907[18:49:25] <darkstalker> you can use that to update your config. or do what i do that is just copying the relevant line
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• 1909[18:50:06] <darkstalker> the one that starts with: Option "metamodes"
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• 1913[18:50:28] <greycat> I guess I do not have any clue what "xscreen" means. I thought it was like "The X version of screen".
• 1914[18:50:53] <greycat> but it's not a package, and it's not a command that I already have...
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• 1916[18:51:12] <joepublic> I interpreted it to mean "the screen layout of my X windows environment", with a bit of guessing
• 1917[18:51:29] <greycat> yeah, I understood your answer in that context
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• 1924[18:54:58] <Inconvenience> yes i was able to save
• 1925[18:55:15] <Inconvenience> but it doesnt seem to matter
• 1926[18:55:44] <greycat> from darkstalker's responses, I guess it means "I am running multiple monitors, and every time I start X I have to tell it which one's on the left/right/top/bottom and I'd like this configuration to be stored permanently"
• 1927[18:55:44] <Inconvenience> i verified that it did save to xorg
• 1928[18:55:56] <Inconvenience> yes
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• 1942[18:59:41] <joepublic> My 4-monitor setup under xfce seems to remember setup fine with my current video card, a GTX 780ti. with the card it replaced (a GTX 760), I got some random scramble each time. No other change. Inexplicable to me, but there you go.
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• 1944[18:59:57] <vlt> nvz, store_scarecrow, greycat: I don't want to install, I just want to use it.
• 1945[19:00:40] <greycat> !debian-live
• 1946[19:00:40] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. NOT recommended for installing Debian. Live images are available from replaced-url
• 1947[19:00:41] <nvz> somiaj: I'll have to look into that.. dont think I'm really up to speed with fasttrack (heh)
• 1948[19:00:41] <vlt> nvz: Do I put etc/default/grub into config/includes.chroot?
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• 1950[19:00:54] <nvz> Mathisen: systemd does time management
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• 1952[19:01:08] <Inconvenience> im using gnome
• 1953[19:01:14] * annadane wonders if maintainers will even have the time to maintain fasttrack
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• 1955[19:01:55] <nvz> vlt: uh.. you can stop addressing me then, cause I have no idea what you're talking about I'd never use a live like that.. I'd just install to a thumbdrive and not fool with all that crap
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• 1957[19:02:23] <nvz> a regular install to a thumbdrive is much easier to manage than a live if you're using it long-term and want to configure it
• 1958[19:02:24] <vlt> greycat: I'm using exactly that. When booting from the generated ISO I get a boot menu (both legacy and EFI mode) without a default timeout and have to press Enter. I want it to start after n seconds.
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• 1961[19:02:51] <greycat> The important bit was " #debian-live on irc.debian.org"
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• 1963[19:03:28] <vlt> greycat: :D You're absolutely right.
• 1964[19:03:30] <greycat> but if you manage to find someone here who actually knows it (e.g. nvz) then great
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• 1966[19:03:37] <nvz> to me a live iso is one of those things thats great when you need one.. like a life preserver.. but I wouldnt just wear it all the time :P
• 1967[19:03:57] <nvz> doing all that extra stuff with live isos is just silly to me
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• 1970[19:04:52] <vlt> nvz: In my case I need the non-editable part of a customized iso. Works great so far including parts loading from LUKS encryption.
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• 1974[19:05:42] <nvz> I consider the proper use of a live iso for demonstration, a quick easy rescue media to repartition or something like that, use someone else's computer real quick without fussing with their passwords, settings, etc.. but if you just want a portable system that you want to configure, install like you would normally to a thumbdrive, if you want an install media, use the regular install media..
• 1975[19:06:06] <nvz> use the right tool for the job :P
• 1976[19:06:26] <nvz> fidgeting with a live iso do do stuff other things are better at is just silly to me
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• 1981[19:07:31] <somiaj> nvz: Yea, time will tell if it actually becomes a commonly used thing, but I think the idea is to provide a backporting path directly from sid for packages like virtualbox, firefox, or other fast moving software that cannot be supported in stable.
• 1982[19:07:54] <nvz> somiaj: sounds good.. for now I've been going upstream for virtualbox with mostly good result
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• 1984[19:08:19] <somiaj> yea, that is where I point people too.
• 1985[19:08:48] <nvz> somiaj: I only became aware of the community effort to package it on people.d.o when I consulted the wiki last night
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• 1988[19:09:04] <nvz> /that/ seems like a waste of time :P
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• 1990[19:09:52] <nvz> personally I been spending the last two days compiling retroarch.. thats something we need to get fasttracked cause the debian packages are pretty much useless
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• 1992[19:10:46] <nvz> doesnt help I was compiling ALL the cores on a damn thin client like an idiot instead of using a faster machine :P
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• 1994[19:11:21] <somiaj> Yea, I like the idea of fasttrack, there is just a lot of fast moving software that isn't appropriate for stable, but the debian community would benifit from having a more offical package of
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• 1996[19:11:43] <somiaj> but I think it is a matter on if it is deemed in lines with the debian project and manpower, with the second probably being the more limiting factor.
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• 2002[19:13:08] * annadane also wonders how they're going to deal with conflicting dependencies between fasttrack and stable
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• 2009[19:14:24] <somiaj> annadane: I would assume similar to backports, there are some issues that arise due to limitations in pinning
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• 2028[19:21:18] <|san|> what would be the best way to make an image/backup of a debian system? Im looking around here replaced-url
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• 2030[19:21:28] <greycat> !best
• 2031[19:21:28] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
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• 2033[19:21:41] <|san|> lol768_, good one.
• 2034[19:21:44] <|san|> lol even*
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• 2038[19:22:11] <|san|> by best i mean lightweight, not to advanced...
• 2039[19:22:35] <somiaj> I prefer to backup data and reinstall vs make an image of the whole system.
• 2040[19:22:41] <somiaj> If you want to backup package lists things like
• 2041[19:22:43] <somiaj> !aptitude clone
• 2042[19:22:43] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
• 2043[19:22:56] <somiaj> then you can /msg dpkg things to backup
• 2044[19:23:02] <greycat> some USB storage devices have very low mass. that's what you mean by "lightweight", right? physical mass of the backup media?
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• 2053[19:26:06] <|san|> basically, what I want to achieve is this; i'm running a debian based system on a chromebook. Not the build in linux, but partitioned with linux and boots up on dedicated partition. I spent several weeks adjusting and personalizing my system, but along the road i messed something up with a grub update and decided to reinstall and start all over. Now im done reinstalling and i want to save this
• 2054[19:26:07] <|san|> system while it is still in working order and the basics are done.
• 2055[19:26:32] <|san|> So if something happens again, then i can start not totally from scratch
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• 2059[19:27:10] <somiaj> !debian-based
• 2060[19:27:10] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
• 2061[19:27:18] <jhutchins_wk1> One method would be to boot to an iso and clone the disk.
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• 2065[19:28:19] <somiaj> |san|: You should really use appropriate support, due to both social and techencial reasons we support only debian pureblends. As for your situation, you need to look at various methods and decide what is best for you. I personally only back up data and then reinstall the os. You can make a copy of the whole file system, or image the whole harddrive, lots of options.
• 2066[19:28:22] <|san|> I see. Thanks for the advice.
• 2067[19:28:48] <somiaj> also you should have regular backups int he first place
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• 2069[19:28:56] <|san|> somiaj: duely noted. That being said, do you happen to know if it would be possible to install pure debian on a chromebook?
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• 2071[19:29:13] <somiaj> I think so, but I haven't done it.
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• 2073[19:29:23] <|san|> Ok :-)
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• 2075[19:29:39] <jhutchins_wk1> !chromebook
• 2076[19:29:39] <dpkg> Debian may be installable on some models of Chromebook. Search the wiki: replaced-url
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• 2078[19:29:51] <somiaj> Is it an arm based chromebook, debian's arm port only supports some arm processors
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• 2081[19:31:02] <|san|> Its intel.. .Haswell
• 2082[19:31:28] <|san|> jhutchins_wk1: thanks :-)
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• 2084[19:32:04] <|san|> u sure are prepared for a noob like me, cool.. :) I'll look into it.
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• 2089[19:33:37] <annadane> i backup very little when i reinstall
• 2090[19:33:52] <annadane> though that's also just me being me and keeping backups fairly regularly anyway
• 2091[19:33:54] <annadane> !things to backup
• 2092[19:33:54] <dpkg> Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/backups /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/replaced-url
• 2093[19:34:11] <ChmEarl> my buster install had /var/lock as a directory, not symlinked /run/lock . Is this always the case?
• 2094[19:34:14] <annadane> my own personal preference is to have a relatively fresh system
• 2095[19:34:37] <|san|> annadane; yeah that was also why i decided to start all over this time...and then try to do it better this time...
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• 2097[19:35:23] <Inconvenience> how do i find which ips are connected
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• 2099[19:35:36] <karlpinc> ss
• 2100[19:36:02] <jhutchins_wk> netstat
• 2101[19:36:17] <karlpinc> ss is newer
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• 2103[19:36:27] <jhutchins_wk> ChmEarl: I believe there's an explanation in the release notes.
• 2104[19:36:28] <|san|> whenever i sit with my linux box i'm doing hundreds of google searches for everything...really time consuming, but also fun and educating...especially when someone remembers the details
• 2105[19:36:44] <annadane> !newcomer
• 2106[19:36:44] <dpkg> Welcome to Debian! Here's some resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook: replaced-url
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• 2108[19:36:47] <|san|> that someone being "me".
• 2109[19:36:54] <annadane> |san|, once you've decided to run debian and not debian based, check that out
• 2110[19:37:00] <karlpinc> |san|: You might try the man and info pages before random advce from strangers.
• 2111[19:37:11] <annadane> yeah, careful with random internet advice
• 2112[19:37:16] <|san|> annadane: Cool, thanks.
• 2113[19:37:39] <|san|> yeah, i already messed up some things where the advice differ on some essential things
• 2114[19:38:04] <annadane> debian changes, internet advice stays around forever
• 2115[19:38:10] <annadane> on top of the already bad advice
• 2116[19:38:11] <|san|> lol true :-)
• 2117[19:38:20] <annadane> "want this software? just add an ubuntu ppa, and..."
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• 2119[19:38:55] <|san|> i just got the linux bible 9th edition from the library, i guess the different editions actually mean something
• 2120[19:39:03] <somiaj> !don't break debian
• 2121[19:39:03] <dpkg> i guess dont break debian is replaced-url
• 2122[19:39:17] <somiaj> problem is you aren't running debian, so if you ask debian what to do, they may not give you proper advise
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• 2126[19:40:05] * annadane looks at the handbook
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• 2130[19:40:08] * annadane "debian 8"
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• 2135[19:40:39] <somiaj> it is still mostly relvent, a lot of that stuff hasn't really changed for 10+ years
• 2136[19:40:40] <greycat> Writing books is hard and time-consuming, and Debian 8 at least has systemd, so the basics are the same.
• 2137[19:41:08] <annadane> no for sure, it's just funny in the context of 'don't consult the internet, use the debian resources'
• 2138[19:41:08] <somiaj> and it includes systemd, just missing fine details, but those can differ from system to system
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• 2140[19:42:14] <annadane> i'm sure there have been debian 9/10 revisions but the problem is if you put 'debian 10' as the title then it's another way of saying 'this is guaranteed proof-read that all of this is accurate for debian 10'
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• 2285[21:12:08] <Akuw> i just configure reposity as local
• 2286[21:13:01] <Akuw> but after copy some packages to directory i got error Failed to fecth file
• 2287[21:13:10] <Akuw> so, how can i update Package file
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• 2298[21:19:10] <lilith93> Hi, I want to change LC_NUMERIC=de_DE.UTF-8 to LC_NUMERIC=en_US.UTF-8 and I modified the /etc/default/locale file already. But after reboot "locale" still shows me the german version for LC_NUMERIC
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• 2300[21:19:31] <somiaj> I think systemd has it's own method for setting locale, see localectl
• 2301[21:19:32] <lilith93> Can anyone help, please?
• 2302[21:19:35] <greycat> Are you using GNOME? Are you using gnome-terminal?
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• 2304[21:19:47] <lilith93> greycat: XFCE
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• 2306[21:20:37] <greycat> just for grins, if you login directly on a console (ctrl-alt-f2), do you get the correct local in the login shell?
• 2307[21:20:41] <greycat> locale*
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• 2309[21:21:28] <lilith93> greycat: Yes!
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• 2311[21:21:51] <greycat> then it sounds like xfce has its own ideas about your locale, and it's overriding what PAM sets
• 2312[21:22:12] <lilith93> greycat: do I have to change the keyboard settings?
• 2313[21:22:23] <greycat> I don't know anything about desktop environments.
• 2314[21:22:39] <lilith93> ok
• 2315[21:22:41] <lilith93> thanks
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• 2318[21:23:04] <diogenes_> graingert, you live in cli?
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• 2321[21:23:26] <graingert> Yes
• 2322[21:23:29] <greycat> wooledg 733 724 0 Nov18 tty1 00:13:20 fvwm
• 2323[21:23:55] <graingert> ??
• 2324[21:24:01] <greycat> graingert: they meant me, probably
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• 2326[21:24:23] <diogenes_> graingert, sorry it was meant for greycat
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• 2328[21:24:44] <graingert> Oh
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• 2330[21:25:26] <diogenes_> i never heard of fvwm.
• 2331[21:25:37] <BLZbubba> that is the classic virtual window manager from the 90's
• 2332[21:25:46] <BLZbubba> my first *nix desktop environment
• 2333[21:25:51] <greycat> it's one of the older ones, yes
• 2334[21:26:40] <BLZbubba> it was great, i still miss the app swallow feature
• 2335[21:26:43] <Akuw> why i am getting errors with Packages file
• 2336[21:26:52] <Akuw> whe do apt-get update
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• 2338[21:27:28] <diogenes_> greycat, but you won't install it on family members PCs right? or they use macs.
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• 2340[21:27:50] <greycat> Worse.
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• 2342[21:28:13] <diogenes_> windows?
• 2343[21:28:29] <somiaj> Akuw: you have to give us some actual output
• 2344[21:28:29] <somiaj> !bat
• 2345[21:28:31] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2346[21:28:39] <somiaj> Akuw: ^^ provide us all the above information
• 2347[21:29:22] <annadane> i'll use fvwm... someday... maybe... nah
• 2348[21:29:27] <Akuw> i am using deb [trusted=yes] file:///srv/loacl-apt-repository in my /etc/apt/sources.list.d/local-apt-repository.list
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• 2354[21:31:40] <BLZbubba> greycat: dos 3.3?
• 2355[21:31:52] <greycat> hah, no. windows.
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• 2408[22:06:54] <ws2k3> lets say i create a br0 in my /etc/network/interfaces how do i bridge it with eth0. where would that be defined?
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• 2410[22:10:16] <somiaj> also in your interfaces file
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• 2413[22:11:02] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 2414[22:12:35] <ws2k3> somiaj lol i just see it now in my config xD
• 2415[22:13:02] <ws2k3> somiaj so..... this means eth0 is connected to br0?
• 2416[22:13:24] <ws2k3> somiaj so can i configure the ip on eth0 and br0? is there a difference which one is woukd pick?
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• 2419[22:14:26] <somiaj> you configure the ip on br0, its been a while since I've done this, I just followed the samples in the wiki I linked
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• 2422[22:15:09] <ws2k3> somiaj but currently my biggest question is can i also configure the ip on eth0?
• 2423[22:15:30] <somiaj> I don't think so, it is being used as a bridge
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• 2425[22:15:48] <somiaj> but you could configure another virtual interface that uses the bridge
• 2426[22:15:52] <somiaj> (I think that is how it works)
• 2427[22:16:26] <somiaj> if no one answers here people in ##networking might actually know what is going on, I just only ever set it up once so my vms could be visible on my network (and not on a virtual network)
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• 2429[22:16:36] <DammitJim> do you guys have recommendations on external hard drives?
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• 2431[22:16:57] <DammitJim> I'm looking for a usb 3.1 / thunderbolt 3 -> SSD
• 2432[22:17:23] <DammitJim> and what are sort of expected performance
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• 2435[22:20:04] <somiaj> I think the bottleneck is usb3, so getting an ssd won't help out much, unsure about thunderbolt, never used it
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• 2437[22:21:16] <Sleaker> 3.1 support 5Gb/s .. I imagine that's faster than most platter drives can handle though.
• 2438[22:23:11] <Sleaker> 7200 rpm drives cap out at what 1Gb/s
• 2439[22:23:42] <Sleaker> so an SSD *should* perform better than an HDD.
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• 2442[22:25:43] <somiaj> ahh guess it has been a while since I've used a 7200 drive, though they had a bit faster read/write speed
• 2443[22:25:44] <bzed> DammitJim: get an usb 3.1 <> nvme case and put a samsung evo plus 970 inside..
• 2444[22:26:24] <DammitJim> thanks
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• 2447[22:26:59] <Sleaker> there's no reason to get a m.2 nvme drive. just get the SSD version.
• 2448[22:27:43] <bzed> Sleaker: a nvme drive is - technically - an SSD drive
• 2449[22:27:49] <Sleaker> sorry, sata.
• 2450[22:28:01] <bzed> Sleaker: no. sata is way slower
• 2451[22:28:10] <Sleaker> you're rate limited on the USB bus anyway
• 2452[22:28:16] <Sleaker> no point in going nvme
• 2453[22:28:39] <bzed> DammitJim: replaced-url
• 2454[22:28:39] <DammitJim> so, what practical speeds should I expect?
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• 2457[22:29:20] <DammitJim> I've tried the usb 3.1 stuff but my speeds aren't that great
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• 2459[22:29:39] <bzed> DammitJim: maybe your system can't handle it
• 2460[22:29:56] <Sleaker> DammitJim: you're going to be rate limited to USB 3.1 if that's what it supports (500MB/s essentially) unless it has USB-C connector support and dual transfer
• 2461[22:30:22] <Sleaker> if it supports dual-lane USB-C then you can get up to 1GB/s
• 2462[22:30:23] <bzed> Sleaker: why would one not use usb-c?
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• 2464[22:30:33] <Sleaker> bzed: depends on what gen it supports
• 2465[22:31:07] <DammitJim> I have USB-C but the system isn't detecting it properly
• 2466[22:31:23] <bzed> DammitJim: then you should fix that first
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• 2469[22:31:37] <bzed> DammitJim: or, maybe you need to install the thunderbolt tools and allow connections on your ports
• 2470[22:32:11] <DammitJim> oh wow... I didn't know there were thunderbolt tools!
• 2471[22:32:14] <DammitJim> that's a good hint
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• 2475[22:35:09] <metbsd> is zfs the best fs so far?
• 2476[22:35:22] <somiaj> !best
• 2477[22:35:22] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
• 2478[22:35:35] <somiaj> metbsd: personally I prefer ext4 since it is standard and well tested on the linux kernel
• 2479[22:35:44] <metbsd> for file sharing
• 2480[22:35:49] <metbsd> file server
• 2481[22:36:08] <metbsd> 2-10g file
• 2482[22:36:17] <metbsd> movie
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• 2484[22:37:05] <greycat> why would you think you need fancy crap for a simple file server?
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• 2486[22:37:34] <DammitJim> bzed, what is the package name for thunderbolt tools you are talking about?
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• 2489[22:38:29] <bzed> DammitJim: there is a bolt package and a thunderbolt-tools package
• 2490[22:38:38] <bzed> not sure which one works better/different
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• 2494[22:41:59] <Sleaker> metbsd: I just use ext4
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• 2496[22:42:53] <metbsd> because i was watching people making cloud system at home. and they prefer zfs over others.
• 2497[22:43:03] <metbsd> so i guess zfs is better.
• 2498[22:43:09] <greycat> !sns
• 2499[22:43:09] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
• 2500[22:43:10] <bzed> metbsd: if you are asking that question you proably might want to start with a simple filesystem
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• 2506[22:44:36] <rander2> hello
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• 2508[22:45:06] <yann-kaelig> Hi
• 2509[22:45:09] <annadane> zfs from what i hear is certainly fine and really useful but i think using the defaults in general is an underappreciated thing
• 2510[22:45:16] <annadane> default filesystem for debian being of course ext4
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• 2513[22:45:33] <annadane> zfs isn't like btrfs which people have horror stories of failing
• 2514[22:45:48] <annadane> but that's just anecdotal, i'm very much not an expert
• 2515[22:46:11] <greycat> I've never used either one, but I can confirm I hear bad things about btrfs most often, out of all the file systems.
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• 2518[22:46:59] <ChmEarl> how can I find all packages that depend on libssh-4 in Stretch
• 2519[22:47:37] <greycat> ChmEarl: apt-cache showpkg libssh-4 and look under Reverse Depends.
• 2520[22:48:49] <ChmEarl> greycat, thanks , trying it now
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• 2523[22:52:32] <yann-kaelig> I need help :) Really, I try to find an answer to my problem but without succes. I'm creating a package.deb from a source files. Until this package , I had no problem to create my .deb, but with this one I get this warning: ignoring deletion of file package/deps.mak, use --include-removal to override. This file look like it's not extracted or droped when I execute dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot. Idon't know why. Everythign
• 2524[22:52:32] <yann-kaelig> look good inside the *.orig.tarball. I don't know what to do, can you help me ? thx
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• 2533[22:57:09] <jelangkung> hi, how do i debug themes?
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• 2535[22:59:25] <jelangkung> i copied themes and icons from manjaro and used it in debian 10 xfce but ram usage is significantly higher when using said themes/icon
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• 2574[23:19:17] <zerocool> friends is there a way with virt-p2v-make-disk to put non-free firmware, for like a perc card?
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• 2576[23:20:11] <ws2k3> how can i find out which mac adres i should use for an bridge interface in an lxc container
• 2577[23:20:26] <zerocool> well, to be honest, i don't know that this will be a problem yet im sorta predicting the problem
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• 2580[23:21:22] <ws2k3> eth0 is configured as 02:00:00:21:85:2f but when i add a eth1 with 02:00:00:21:85:2g it refuses to start lxc-start: conf.c: setup_hw_addr: 2205 mac address '02:00:00:21:85:2g' conversion failed : Invalid argument
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• 2582[23:21:46] <rander2> anyone here know as run hping3 script ? The script are written in tcl
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• 2584[23:23:20] <Sleaker> ws2k3: don't use invalid mac addresses
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• 2586[23:23:37] <ws2k3> Sleaker how do i know an mac adres is invalid?
• 2587[23:23:43] <Sleaker> ws2k3: use an online tool?
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• 2589[23:24:31] <Sleaker> pretty sure you can let lxc generate it's own mac's too anyway.
• 2590[23:24:58] <Sleaker> maybe not
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• 2595[23:26:42] <ws2k3> Sleaker thanks that worked. only it seems i cant have 2 ipv4 gateway in my config is this correct?
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• 2597[23:27:23] <whislock> ws2k3: You should only ever have default route in the routing table.
• 2598[23:27:26] <whislock> one
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• 2600[23:27:52] <ws2k3> whislock lxc.network.ipv4.gateway does this means default gateway?
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• 2602[23:28:22] <whislock> My familiarity with lxc is somewhat lacking, but that's what the name suggests.
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• 2609[23:30:57] <ws2k3> Sleaker whislock if i try to ping out on that interface i get Destination Host Unreachable ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
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• 2629[23:46:45] <ws2k3> turn out shorewall is blocking the traffic. now need to find out how i can allow everything on one zone
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• 2638[23:54:23] <karlpinc> !tell rander2 about anyone
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• 2643[23:57:04] <rander2> I'm trying to run hping3 default scripts, but ever I get error
• 2644[23:57:41] <karlpinc> !errors
• 2645[23:57:41] <dpkg> If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>.
• 2646[23:57:41] <rander2> ok, it's a old program , but tcl is again supported
• 2647[23:58:13] <karlpinc> rander2: Did you install it from the debian repos?
• 2648[23:58:22] <rander2> yes
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