6[00:04:20] <galvanoport> it is boring to type regularly PATH=$PATH:$HOME/.local/bin to terminal. Also when I was install Debian 10 on my computer, it has no "/usr/bin" in the $PATH. Then I added that to /etc/profile
63[00:39:29] <bit1> cups issue? I've sent a file.ps to a remote server without filter (raw queue), and it works fine, but when I configure that remote printer it fails: I get " [CGI] Saw EOF, expected \'}\'!" . Any hint?
110[01:32:30] <whislock> The cups server is what applications submit print jobs to. It's entirely possible that every debian workstation would have the cups server installed, if they've all individually configured their printers.
114[01:35:07] <bit1> whislock, oki, but I've sending my file to my localhost which were sending to remote host. It's easier to sent directly to remote host. Haven't I?
288[03:07:16] <whislock> subcool: Same concept as Nord, I just don't have to pay another provider to quite possibly monitor my traffic while promising they don't.
289[03:07:32] *** Quits: Alpha-Krill (~Alpha-Kri@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
290[03:08:13] <whislock> ksk: Your horses comment is as bizarre as it is irrelevant, by the way.
291[03:08:14] <subcool> yeah.. still confusing. i get the secure access to home network.
292[03:08:29] <whislock> subcool: Which you then route out to the internet the same as your home traffic.
293[03:08:39] <whislock> It's the *exact same thing* Nord is doing.
294[03:08:42] <subcool> but then your local ISP sees it anyways
295[03:08:44] <ksk> I am just trolling, nevermind me. You are still using sys-v-init I suppose? ;)
296[03:08:49] <whislock> ksk: No.
297[03:08:56] <subcool> i get that, but they are IN the cloud already.
303[03:09:27] <whislock> 1. If you're going to insecure websites, everyone sees the traffic anyway. Doesn't matter if you're going through Nord or not.
304[03:09:43] <whislock> 2. If you're going to secure websites, no one can see that traffic, including your home ISP.
305[03:09:56] <subcool> kinda..
306[03:09:58] <subcool> right.
307[03:09:59] <ksk> your home ISP will however be able to see which site you visit.
308[03:10:12] <subcool> because they have the inital key to the certs
309[03:10:12] <whislock> ksk: Not with TLSv1.3.
310[03:10:17] <whislock> subcool: No.
311[03:10:20] <ksk> (totally valid what whislock said though)
312[03:10:36] <ksk> whislock: eh, okay? you mean they cannot see the server name in the handshake?
313[03:10:42] <ksk> they for sure still can see the IP you connect to
314[03:10:45] <whislock> ksk: Correct. TLSv1.3 includes encrypted SNI.
315[03:10:48] <whislock> So?
316[03:10:52] <ksk> kk, good to know.
317[03:11:02] <whislock> Most everything goes through a CDN or something, so the endpoint IPs for most web traffic tell you jack.
321[03:12:16] <whislock> subcool: This whole "omg, my home isp" thing is kinda pointless. My home isp isn't my concern. It's what connection I'm using when I'm not at home.
339[03:14:24] <whislock> subcool: The fact that you believe that BS is kinda sad, not going to lie.
340[03:14:38] <subcool> which part?
341[03:14:50] <valdyn> subcool is probably in a country where the isp is obligated to disclose his identity for copyright infringement while nordnet may not be
342[03:14:52] <whislock> That they're not going to hit you with copyright infringement letters.
343[03:14:58] <subcool> I get notifications from my ISP about this BS copyright shit- They turn off my internet. LIterally.
344[03:15:12] <subcool> valdyn: yea~
345[03:15:16] <whislock> You think Nord is going to take liability for you? Good luck with that.
347[03:15:19] <nb-ben> "Internet service providers in many countries are legally required (e.g., via Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) in the U.S.) to allow law enforcement agencies to monitor some or all of the information transmitted by the ISP, or even store the browsing history of users to allow government access if needed (e.g. via the Investigatory Powers Act 2016 in the United Kingdom)." ... and more stuff
386[03:19:38] <ksk> then we cannot tell, without additional information.
387[03:19:42] <whislock> I have the information,.
388[03:19:54] <whislock> This was discussed way back before the VPN rabbithole.
389[03:20:13] <nb-ben> suppose if you live in a certain juristiction you could use a VPN to make your local authorities unable to get information from a local ISP
390[03:20:14] <whislock> Two hosts, same LAN, this one won't accept SSH connections, most likely because Nord added replaced-url
404[03:23:15] <whislock> subcool: That should do the trick, but the problem is if Nord rewrites your iptables rules again, I have no idea what will happen.
405[03:23:41] <subcool> THanks, i appreaciate it. Ill note it.
451[03:43:10] <fx7> Hi. May you help please? I have WD My Cloud device and as I use factory settings, I lost EXT4 partition. It means.. The old with all data was remowed and quick formated. So Data are not owerwritten. But the question is, how to renew EXT4 partition, or which tool to use to find lost dat.
519[04:01:35] <nyov> fx7: I would also visit any ext* FS developer channels, they probably know best how metadata can be recovered, if any, without superblocks
571[04:23:19] <joepublic> I was wondering earlier why anyone would want to settle the "consolation prize" freezeland, but then observed that the population centers are quite properly in the southern part of same, so that makes a little more sense I guess.
856[08:47:56] <Lope> jm_, is there an apt repo to run the bleeding edge nut?
857[08:48:23] <jm_> Lope: unstable has the newest stuff, but I wouldn't recommend that to you
858[08:49:21] <jm_> I would try this with nut-server package:
859[08:49:23] <jm_> !ssb
860[08:49:23] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
885[08:56:26] <judd> Search for nut-scanner in sid/amd64: nut-server: bin/nut-scanner
886[08:56:43] <nvz> o.O
887[08:57:15] <Haohmaru> if i've installed 32bit debian10 (i don't drink, but i must have been drunk or something), and i haven't done severly naughty things with it.. like.. the most eggzotic thing i've done is installed a few programs from backports.. synaptic doesn't show any "obsoleted" packages ... is it a bad idea to try to "crossgrade" it to 64bit?
888[08:57:30] <Haohmaru> ..or can things still "break"
889[08:57:47] <nvz> heh
890[08:58:29] <Haohmaru> i got customizations on it that i don't wanna redo again, otherwise i'd just install over it
891[08:58:48] <Lope> nvz, thanks bud, I've gotta sort out internet then will be back to try get NUT working.
892[08:59:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1524
893[08:59:09] <Lope> But in the mean time I'll mention, I came up with this for the ups.conf
902[09:01:07] <Lope> nvz, so did you find nut-scanner in the buster backports?
903[09:01:12] <nvz> Haohmaru: attempting to convert a i386 install to amd64 is going to be a VERY difficult thing to do.. and won't even be remotely possible if your kernel is 32bit
906[09:02:14] <nvz> Lope: no, its not backported.. what I didnt get is why buster has 2.7.4-8 and sid has 2.7.4-10 which suggests both are upstream 2.7.4 and one has nut-scanner and the other doesnt
941[09:10:33] <nvz> people act like there are just dark crevices like HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\CLSID\{645FF040-5081-101B-9F08-00AA002F954E} where they renamed their Recycle Bin, in linux..
942[09:10:35] <Haohmaru> i don't know.. all i know is that a pile of the default settings on a debian are not very noice for me, like mouse config, bitmap fonts (they banned by default), a few others i forgot.. then i have also done some fancy file associations, i don't remember if all of these things are in /etc/
943[09:10:37] <nvz> thats not the case..
944[09:11:18] <Haohmaru> my /home/ is in a separate partition
945[09:11:55] <nvz> Haohmaru: so copy all 10 megabytes of /etc to a 2 megabyte tar and stick it on that partition too :P
946[09:12:05] <nvz> then reinstall and don't format that partition
947[09:12:27] <nvz> add to that a list of installed packages..
948[09:12:34] <Haohmaru> you mean like.. to copy/paste the whole /etc afterwards?
949[09:12:42] <Haohmaru> wouldn't that mess up a lot of things then?
950[09:12:46] <nvz> more like tar/untar but yeah..
951[09:12:58] <nvz> how the hell could it mess anything up?
972[09:16:33] <Haohmaru> okay.. so copying the whole /etc from my 32bit installation and then pasting it onto a 64bit installation shouldn't cause a mess?
973[09:16:57] <Haohmaru> perhaps i need to clear /etc before pasting ;P~
974[09:17:11] <nvz> I not long ago moved my father to a completely different system... simple.. you dpkg --get-selections or such dump that to a file.. thats all the packages that are installed.. you tar up /etc/, you backup /home/ then you go install debian.. just a base even .. then migrate /home to new install, set all the package selections, install all same packages, untar /etc/ its the same damn system
975[09:17:50] *** Quits: inhetep (~cubie@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
984[09:19:16] <nvz> Haohmaru: not required in your case you're staying on the same system.. in your case you just have to make sure you say "keep existing data" and don't format that partition
996[09:21:43] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
1003[09:22:59] <nvz> Lope: as long as you have the backports enabled and a deb-src line for sid and the apt cache is updated, you need only apt build-dep nut-server and apt -b source nut-server then dpkg -i nut-server.deb
1004[09:23:09] <Lope> nvz does that mean when there are updates it will recompile the new versions?
1008[09:23:42] <Lope> nvz, well then it seems a lot more complicated than just building nut from source instead of frankensteining my sources.list?
1009[09:23:47] <nvz> Lope: you'd have to apt -b source nut-server and dpkg -i nut-server again
1010[09:24:23] <Haohmaru> no idea how i've installed 32bit last time, all i remember was that the debian was on btrfs, and then the harddisk broke, and i evacuated it to ext4 (installed debian on ext4, then iirc i rsync'ed everything from the dying hdd) .. i guess i've put the wrong netinst iso and didn't notice it
1011[09:24:29] <nvz> Lope: its not really frankensteining.. a deb-src line is only for source packages, backports only pulls things when you explicitly say -t buster-backports..
1012[09:24:55] <Haohmaru> or maybe it was 32bit originally
1013[09:24:58] <nvz> Lope: and doing it with apt, you need not know anything about the build system, it automatically fetches the dependencies, and automatically rebuilds the deb
1014[09:25:27] <nvz> Lope: and in this case you don't even need to enable backports
1023[09:29:02] <nvz> Lope: should be no need.. when you install the deb that apt -b source nut-server creates, it will isntall over top of it.. cause its going to be a higher version number
1024[09:29:07] <nvz> dpkg will see it as an upgrade
1025[09:29:07] <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, nvz
1026[09:29:13] <nvz> dpkg: shaddup
1027[09:29:13] <dpkg> No, I won't, you shaddup, you
1033[09:34:08] <MaxFrames> I am trying to copy text from nano running in putty terminal emulator to the clipboard, and paste it in windows, but I am unable
1036[09:34:28] <Haohmaru> i mean, it smells familiar
1037[09:34:28] *** Quits: r1nt3c (~inerin@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
1038[09:34:31] <nvz> Haohmaru: and I would imagine you know how to tar up /etc/
1039[09:34:39] <MaxFrames> I select a multiple line text with ctrl+6 and then ctrl+k to cut it, but when I paste it, only the first line is pasted, dunno why
1040[09:34:44] <Haohmaru> uhm, i don't know how to tar
1041[09:34:50] <Haohmaru> i use .zip
1042[09:35:05] <nvz> !yinzersmite Haohmaru
1043[09:35:05] * dpkg pooshes Haohmaru aht da winda an yells "chawt dahnere".
1044[09:35:20] <Lope> nvz thanks
1045[09:35:36] <Haohmaru> chawt dah-wat?
1046[09:35:38] <nvz> Haohmaru: tar cvf etc.tar /etc
1047[09:35:48] * Haohmaru grabs onto teh curtains
1048[09:36:09] <Haohmaru> is zipping it not gonna work?
1049[09:36:12] <nvz> or perhaps tar cvf /home/etc.tar /etc
1050[09:36:32] <nvz> I doubt a zipfile will preserve the permissions
1056[09:39:26] <nvz> the pz is probably advisable.. heh
1057[09:39:39] <Haohmaru> tar cfpvzwtfomgyudodisnvz /home/etc.tar.gz /etc
1058[09:39:41] <nvz> though /etc/ is probably not more than 20mb so the z isn't too important
1059[09:40:17] <nvz> but the p is for preservation of owner and such.. which probably isnt real important either.. since pretty much all of it is gonna be owned by root :P
1060[09:40:34] <nvz> but the permissions may be varied
1061[09:40:37] <nvz> so..
1062[09:40:52] <Haohmaru> i thought so too but who knows wut creepz in teh shady cornerz of /etc
1102[09:49:07] <nvz> its a bash script using zenity.. a simple iso writer..
1103[09:49:22] <nvz> fancy way of doing cp debian.iso /dev/sdc kinda deal
1104[09:49:26] <nvz> with visuals
1105[09:49:27] <Regor> i am using default vim-tiny package in debian 10... Does it support spell check ?
1106[09:49:42] <MaxFrames> is it normal on debian 10 that it responds to ping even after installing ufw and setting the default block rule? I did not explicitly create a rule to allow ping reply
1107[09:50:01] <nvz> Regor: thats kind of a silly question.. you're using it.. I'm not.. and you're asking me. :P
1108[09:50:01] <Regor> what packages do i need to enable it?
1109[09:50:01] <MaxFrames> sorry echo request I mean. default is DROP incoming and ALLOW outgoing
1110[09:50:06] <Haohmaru> nvz the point is, there should be some built-in thing for this in debian, IMO
1111[09:50:26] <Haohmaru> if i gotta install sh*t just to get a progress bar then meh
1112[09:50:39] <Haohmaru> unless it's a huge ISO, then i would
1113[09:51:22] <nvz> Haohmaru: my solution is 32 lines of bash code :P
1114[09:51:22] <tarzeau> dd has an option called status=progress
1115[09:51:47] <Haohmaru> tarzeau i know, that's what i used
1116[09:52:03] <Haohmaru> anyway, can i tar /etc while the system is akchually running?
1117[09:52:39] <tarzeau> Haohmaru: yes absolutely, not sure about systemd/* though
1118[09:52:53] <Haohmaru> systemd is naughty
1119[09:52:59] <nvz> you're probably not ever gonna touch that tarball anyhow
1120[09:53:02] <tarzeau> if you want a complete system config file backup you ought to not forget /var/spool/cron though
1121[09:53:07] <nvz> cause there probably wont be anything in it you need
1146[09:55:37] <Haohmaru> i use a normal 3 butten mouse
1147[09:55:44] <Haohmaru> but i don't like acceleration
1148[09:56:08] <nvz> but I was thinking of writing a more general tool that just is a regular settings wizard.. for navigating complexities of things like sysfs, udev, etc.
1149[09:56:15] <Haohmaru> the GUIs in the desktop for adjusting mouse settings no longer akchually work since debian9
1150[09:56:35] <nvz> they work for my touchpad.. the stuff in MATE anyhow
1151[09:56:37] <BazookaTooth> what is this hooked on phonics bullshit?
1152[09:56:41] <Haohmaru> because something with the drivers changed and the GUIs adjust settings for the previous driver
1153[09:56:49] <Haohmaru> xinput is the current one or something like that
1154[09:56:49] <nvz> but I just use it to disable my touchpad
1201[10:18:08] <MaxFrames> I need help with arpwatch.... I was able to make it work with exim4 following this: replaced-url
1202[10:18:52] <MaxFrames> now it no longer sends any email... exim4 log says it did not even try... all I did after I checked it was working, is changing the ip address of debian (same eth0 adapter)
1203[10:19:20] <MaxFrames> I am forcing triggering send mail by changing the ip address of a pc.... exim4 does not send any mail
1208[10:20:56] <MaxFrames> the only mail it sent was the one when it detected that its own ip address had changed... this mail was sent and I can see it in exim4 mainlog... but after that, it did not send any other
1209[10:21:24] <MaxFrames> rabbitear_g: what is that supposed to mean?
1210[10:21:32] <jm_> tried restarting exim after changing IP?
1211[10:21:50] <MaxFrames> jm_: yes, I actually rebooted the whole machine multiple times
1239[10:29:47] <metbsd> i want to delete a repositories
1240[10:29:51] <MaxFrames> arpwatch -d => no echo
1241[10:30:06] <metbsd> uninstall everything about this repository
1242[10:31:19] <MaxFrames> "/var/lib/arpwatch/eth0.dat" (the file that is supposed to keep a database of mac/ip pairs) does not have any entry for my recent ip changes. so arpwatch is not updating this file anymore
1243[10:31:41] <jm_> well if you only want apt to prevent installing stuff from that repository, then yeah, if it's a file in sources.list.d, you just delete the file, otherwise if it's /etc/apt/sources.list edit it and remove the lines for it
1244[10:31:56] <jm_> if you want to uninstall packages from that repository, then this shall help:
1245[10:32:01] <jm_> !which repo
1246[10:32:01] <dpkg> To see what repository a package may have come from, try replaced-url
1263[10:41:31] <MaxFrames> if I stop arpwatch and then manually give the same command "usr/sbin/arpwatch -u arpwatch -i eth0 -f eth0.dat -N -p -m myemailaddress@foo.com -F" it does not accept it, like the syntax is wrong
1264[10:41:58] <jelly> MaxFrames: what's the actual error you get doing it manually
1265[10:42:18] <MaxFrames> it just throws the "usage:" text
1290[10:53:20] <neoclust> Hello, a friend have a pb with his debian. His syslog is flooded by [ 5394.854366] hid-sensor-hub 001F:8087:0AC2.0003: hid_field_extract() called with n (192) > 32! (kworker/1:1)
1291[10:53:52] <neoclust> he tried to add :msg, contains, "hid-sensor-hub 001F:8087:0AC2" ~ in /etc/rsyslog.d/10-hidesensor.conf but still the same issue
1292[10:54:50] <neoclust> does someone has an idea ?
1324[11:06:30] <MaxFrames> now I have rebooted. /var/lib/arpwatch/eth0.dat was automatically created. arpwatch is running. eth0.dat is empty and is not being updated when I change ip address.
1325[11:06:45] <MaxFrames> all this happened just because I've change the ip address of the arpwatch machine
1326[11:07:36] <Haohmaru> well, wuddayaknow.. "the attempt to mount a file system with type ext4 in SCSI2 partition #2 at / failed" <- this in the debian installation
1332[11:08:56] <Haohmaru> what i did was, in the partitioning step, i formatted the / partition, set it to be used as ext4, and mounted as / ... then i set the existing /home partition to be mounted as /home, and that's all
1333[11:08:57] <Tekmans_> ratrace, thx i'll check for the target file
1334[11:09:37] <Haohmaru> and now it says "you may resume partitioning"
1335[11:10:30] <ratrace> Tekmans_: there's nothing to check, you specify it immediately after the filter line... & ~ that's why I asked to pastebin the file so we can see the full stanza
1340[11:11:06] <MaxFrames> journalctl | grep arpwatch => it is running, listening on eth0, and there are even three "new station" entries, so it is working somehow, but not writing anything to the .dat file and not sending mail
1346[11:14:53] <MaxFrames> I will have to throw away 10 days of work because of this silly arpwatch situation... it only detects changes in its own subnet range it seems... but arp should listen at layer 2... I change my laptop ip address to a random ip and arpwatch does not detect it... they are in the same lan... makes no sense
1347[11:15:50] <MaxFrames> upon starting it only detected its own ip address and the gateway's, and btw did not write them to eth0.dat, and now it won't do anything else
1357[11:17:53] <Haohmaru> if i continue partitioning (everything appears right) and just click finish partitioning, it says "No partition table changes and no creation of file systems have been planned. if you plan on using already created file system, be aware that existing files may prevent the successiful installation of the base system"
1358[11:18:24] *** Quits: Tekmans__ (~Tekmans@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
1359[11:18:31] <Haohmaru> shall i shrug and continue with the installation?
1360[11:18:37] <MaxFrames> gosh... eth0.dat was finally updated and mail sent... it looks like this latest arpwatch does not react in realtime... as opposed to the old one?
1385[11:36:14] <coding_horribly> Hi all, noob networking fail here. I can't connect to the internet, and have tried everything I can think of. Currently `ip route` comes up blank, and I'm not sure what to do next. Anyone want to try and work me through this?
1386[11:37:23] <coding_horribly> ip a s shows a connection (DOWN), but ifup tells me it's already configured.
1387[11:37:31] <jm_> Haohmaru: check other tty-s if there are any details about the issue
1388[11:38:40] *** Quits: MenschZwoNull (~MenschZwo@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
1389[11:38:59] <jm_> coding_horribly: you will have to describe the basics first, what kind of connections, what have you configured so far etc.
1393[11:40:22] <coding_horribly> jm_: Ethernet connection, it worked out of the box, but then I messed it up by accident because I thought it needed a static connection when it didn't,
1394[11:40:47] <coding_horribly> after that I'm pretty sure I got it back up by adding a line into /etc/network/interfaces,
1395[11:40:55] <coding_horribly> needed to restart today, and no internet.
1396[11:41:21] <coding_horribly> I've been messing around with /etc/network/interfaces and NetworkManager, so I may have managed to make things worse.
1403[11:43:48] <hesco> I'm having troubles writing an /etc/network/interfaces which survives a service networking restart without a trip to the datacenter and manual intervention to flush an interface. Can anyone please take a look at this and advise? Your help is appreciated. Thanks.
1418[11:48:02] <hesco> coding_horribly: so you are concerned with internet connectivity from your desktop, through your router to the world. Is that right?
1419[11:48:13] <coding_horribly> Yes.
1420[11:48:38] <hesco> is your router running dhcp? or are you assigning your desktop a static IP?
1421[11:49:07] <coding_horribly> I'd like to be dhcp. I got into this mess by thinking I needed static, but I'm pretty sure it's running dhcp now.
1422[11:49:17] <MaxFrames> bah. arpwatch in debian is one of the most poorly documented, badly implemented pieces of crap :(
1430[11:52:55] <hesco> most routers will record your desktop's nic'smac address in its routing table and assign you a static private IP on the subnet it manages.
1434[11:55:29] <hesco> bestwin, as root, plenty of hardware information is accessible with use of dmedecode, but generally for BIOS documentation you need to review what your hardware manufacturer provides.
1435[11:57:29] <hesco> Just in case my own networking issue got lost in my back and forth with coding_horribly discussing his connectivity issues, I'm seeking guidance on how to resolve issue documented here:
1441[12:01:33] <ratrace> hesco: first of all, you only need "address" (in CIDR notation) and "gateway" in the inet static stanza. the rest is calculated from the CIDR and deprecated. second, you can't have two "gateway" entries.
1444[12:02:39] <ratrace> hesco: then to add multiple IPs, you just have multiple inet static stanzas, as described here (iproute2 method) :: replaced-url
1482[12:26:38] <ratrace> hesco: you still have two gateways
1483[12:27:07] <ratrace> hesco: a "gateway" is just an IP where all packets with no explicit routing are sent, and thus there can be only one.
1484[12:27:13] *** Guest25 is now known as NetTerminalGene
1485[12:27:43] <ratrace> technically you can have more than one, but not with "gateway" option, you'd need to do some manual routing
1486[12:29:44] <Haohmaru> jm_ on that screen, somewhere above (earlier in the installation) i see some stuff like "partman: No matching physical volumes found" "partman: " Reading all physical volumes. this may take a while..." "kernel [ some.numbers ] perf: interrupt took too long ( .. > .. ), lowering kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to ..."
1487[12:30:31] <tarzeau> why can't i run qemu without vnc anymore?
1488[12:30:37] <tarzeau> and -display sdl is not supported???
1490[12:31:04] <jm_> Haohmaru: [some.numbers] is a timestamp, dmesg -T will give you human readable times - try to remember last line in dmesg output, repeat the issue, see if anything pops up after remembered line
1491[12:31:25] <nyov> tarzeau: just remove the -display sdl. you can still have a display
1492[12:31:27] <Haohmaru> that's what i did
1493[12:31:38] <tarzeau> nyov: i'm not getting a display i get some freaking vnc shit
1494[12:31:43] <Haohmaru> when it says it can't mount /, i see only 3 new lines printed
1495[12:31:45] <tarzeau> VNC server running on ::1:5900
1497[12:32:38] <Haohmaru> so.. what to do now? step back before the partitioning and then step into it again? i doubt that's gonna make any difference but should be easy to try
1501[12:34:14] <Haohmaru> as a side note: it's a little funny how the partition manager has "Done setting up the partitions, write changes to disk" when before that, when you click on "erase data on this partition" - it simply erases it immediately
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1503[12:34:43] <Haohmaru> luckily i think i clicked on the right one ;P~
1504[12:34:45] <nyov> tarzeau: I have -vga std in there, maybe that's needed
1509[12:37:43] <Haohmaru> okay i stepped back, then forward, clicked around in the partition manager, "Done setting up partitions" and now it told me it's gonna format the / partition to ext4
1510[12:37:59] <Haohmaru> this smells right.. let's see
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1513[12:39:15] <jm_> just as long as it has / on the right one
1514[12:39:47] <Haohmaru> hm, maybe what i've done before that was.. the / partition by default was probably "do not use this partition" and then i've "erase data on this partition" and it filled with zeros, then i've changed it to ext4 and set it to mount as /, but i guess this didn't "format" it to ext4
1516[12:40:27] <Haohmaru> does this sound plausible?
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1518[12:41:04] <Haohmaru> seriously, i'm kinda worried that you are allowed to erase stuff before selecting "done setting up partitions, write changes to disk"
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1520[12:41:20] <hesco> ratrace: thanks. I had to `ip addr flush dev eno3` to get a clean restart, but now it seems to be working to attach the IPs to the interface. But I seem unable to traceroute the 2d IP, or to ping it, or ssh into it, obviously.
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1546[12:45:42] * Haohmaru shakes jelly gently, in a friendly way
1547[12:45:43] <sn5aYy> spam fuku 20000
1548[12:45:50] <sn5aYy> to everyone in Clarion PA your cell phone is hacked by the police to everyone in Clarion PA your cell phone is hacked by the police to everyone in Clarion PA your cell phone is hacked by the police to everyone in Clarion PA your cell phone is hacked by the police to everyone in Clarion PA your cell phone is hacked by the police to everyone in Clarion PA your cell phone is hacked by the police to
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1550[12:46:09] <hesco> ratrace: marcus010, my notebook, is on a desk at the data center. Not many hops from here to the cluster in the rack back on the floor. But if I can sort this out, I'm hopeful I can do this from home.
1551[12:46:21] <ratrace> ops, can I haz 62.102.148.0/24 ban pls
1571[12:54:05] <ratrace> hesco: swell. seems like routing outside of that machine could be borked. can you repeat that test but try a public IP? say, ping googs at 8.8.8.8. no need to pastebin, just confirm it passed
1572[12:54:07] <jm_> coding_horribly: you don't want two things managing a single device
1573[12:54:12] <coding_horribly> Got it
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1580[12:56:38] <ratrace> hesco: neat. it works then. do you perhaps have packet filtering in place that doesn't allow new ICMP packets (non-established) to that IP?
1581[12:57:04] <coding_horribly> Alas, no connection after configuring dhcp using the link and disabling & stopping NM then restarting networking
1582[12:57:34] <ratrace> coding_horribly: can you pastebin some configs? like /etc/network/interfaces
1583[12:57:48] <coding_horribly> sure
1584[12:58:07] <coding_horribly> but it's super simple (3 lines) should I just put it in here?
1625[13:18:33] <ratrace> coding_horribly: NO-CARRIER ... is the cable connected? broken? switch on the other side working? does the NIC need firmware? dmesg | grep -i firmware
1630[13:20:38] <coding_horribly> I did two things at once, not sure what did it. One, I remembered that I'd tweaked NetworkManager.conf, and I thought maybe it was making problems, so I switched what I had originally done, and restarted networking.
1636[13:21:36] <coding_horribly> Also, I did check the cable, and while I think it was connected, it was an itty-bit wiggly, so I won't rule out a cringe-worthy cable fail.
1646[13:24:46] <Haohmaru> aww, now i don't see anything on the screen because the radeon haz no driver.. fortunately i installed ssh server on it, unfortunately, i don't know teh IP
1657[13:27:11] <Haohmaru> is there some trick to find out what IP it uses without being able to see?
1658[13:27:20] <coding_horribly> ratrace: I suppose?
1659[13:27:32] <Haohmaru> this is basic h4x0r 101 i guess
1660[13:27:54] <ratrace> coding_horribly: well does it work now? it got the IP via DHCP and you can access stuff?
1661[13:28:04] <coding_horribly> I mean, I did like a million things in between losing internet and getting it back, and the last thing was fixing the cable, so it could've been just that the whole time, but I sort of suspect not?
1662[13:28:14] <ratrace> ah, k.
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1664[13:29:39] <coding_horribly> Thanks a ton for the help, though. I was totally lost, and hadn't thought about the cable, especially since I had just had some networking issues.
1665[13:30:45] <coding_horribly> Haohmaru: Are the problems on a local machine?
1666[13:31:12] <Haohmaru> yes, it's right here, but the monitor says "out of range"
1667[13:31:31] <Haohmaru> i can only see up to GRUB and then slighty more from systemd before it switches resolution
1668[13:31:36] <coding_horribly> ratrace: Can you reboot and connect the monitor through VGA?
1740[13:53:30] <Haohmaru> Fox it's a fresh install
1741[13:53:33] <whislock> Haohmaru: What you can do is extract your archive, then see what files are in /etc that aren't in your archive and remove them.
1742[13:53:56] <Haohmaru> crap :~(
1743[13:54:01] <whislock> It's easy.
1744[13:54:47] <ratrace> tip of the day: diff can show differences between dirs too
1761[13:58:06] <andre144k> hi all... i have a <special> problem... maybe someone have an idea? in basement we connect an ESX-Host with 10G network (light) on cisco switch. in firstflore i have an linux-server with samba. - when i copy files from a guest on esx-server to linux server i have 1mb/s speed... when u use instead of 10G network (light) 1G network (copper) i have 100mb/s speed...
1763[13:58:43] <Haohmaru> the whole problem here was that, for some reason i had installed 32bit debian10.. no idea why, and now i'm doing this whole operation to change it to 64bit and keep all my stuff intact (supposedly)
1764[13:59:09] <andre144k> when i messure speed over light (10G network) via iperf3 i get round about 40mb/s - when i messure over copper (1G network) via iperf3 i get round about 110mb/s
1765[13:59:24] <diogenes_> Hello guys, in the process of updating ebian 10 i got this ncurses question about selecting keyboard layout, which one is recommended? replaced-url
1766[13:59:37] <Haohmaru> in this packages.lst i see a pile of :i386
1779[14:02:10] <whislock> andre144k: Protocols are not beholden to line speeds. It is a universal truth that a protocol will always be slower than the line it's using.
1780[14:02:11] <Haohmaru> whislock more like.. gotta avoid installing 32bit on a 64bit machine
1781[14:02:25] <ratrace> andre144k: I'm assuming you mean MB/s (mega BYTES) not bits (lowercase b)? Does your NIC require firmware? check dmesg | grep -i firmware . Also what whislock said.
1784[14:03:14] <ratrace> andre144k: and also, you can have infinite network speed, but you'll be confined to hard disk (and SATA, and memory, and ...) throughput when you serve files over the pipe
1785[14:03:35] <Haohmaru> whislock i ran that and i still see :i386 in the file
1837[14:14:41] <simplicius> I've installed the software but I get this: replaced-url
1838[14:14:42] <ratrace> Haohmaru: perhaps too late now, but come to think of it, I'd rather suggest reinstalling only manually installed packages, eg. those from apt-mark showmanual list not whole selections, as i386 might have different dependencies
1840[14:15:01] <Haohmaru> ehm, dpkg says, at the end "warning: found unknown packages; this might mean the available database is outdated and needs to be updated thru a frontend method;"
1841[14:15:33] <ratrace> simplicius: when you connected the phone via USB, did you change, on the phone to mtp/file transfer? depending on your android version, it may or may not be default
1842[14:15:49] <Haohmaru> okay, so basically the packages.lst i made is pretty much useless, i shall go ahead and install everything manually
1843[14:15:50] <Haohmaru> meh
1844[14:15:55] <simplicius> ratrace, yes I selected MTP not usb charhing
1868[14:22:05] <ratrace> diogenes_: well yeah, if that was during update, it would show current selection, so you can just hit enter until it finishes
1869[14:22:31] <hesco> yes, ratrace: thanks. Pretty sure you are right that my issue is my iptables. Been sorting through my puppet manifests to fix them. Really appreciate your help getting this far. Although I am still at it, opening up the firewall to that second IP bound to that interface.
1870[14:22:33] <diogenes_> and there you got a great "surprise" the new firefox
1871[14:22:48] <diogenes_> is incompatible with the bookmarks and everything from the previus one.
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1876[14:24:26] <ratrace> diogenes_: and it will be again for next ESR.... that pisses me off to no end and NO I will NOT sign up for a mozilla account just to transfer my settings.
1893[14:31:51] <Haohmaru> uh oh, "dpkg: error processing package initramfs-tools (--configure): installed initramfs-tools package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 127" "Errors were encountered while processing initramfs-tools"
1894[14:32:10] <Haohmaru> i messed it up, didn't i
1895[14:33:24] <Haohmaru> or could that be because i ran dpkg --set-selections < packages.lst, and maybe some of the things there were "accepted" sorta, but.. i guess further steps are required to finish that job?
1896[14:33:40] <ratrace> Haohmaru: is your /boot full?
1897[14:33:59] <Haohmaru> i.. doubt?
1898[14:34:10] <Haohmaru> the / partition is like over 60GB
1899[14:34:29] <Haohmaru> assuming that's where /boot is
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1997[15:18:17] <MaxFrames> I've noticed that on my debian buster vm if I display the gnome session there is a warning on the logon screen that the computer will suspend soon
1999[15:18:59] <MaxFrames> not knowing any better, I've tried to log on to gnome and disable the auto suspend feature from the settings control panel, but that did not change a thing, the warning is still displayed
2000[15:19:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1573
2001[15:19:17] <MaxFrames> is this a false warning? is there another way to disable the auto suspend?
2009[15:21:07] <MaxFrames> another strange thing is that I can no longer open the energy saving settings in gnome: as soon as I open them, the screen locks again (I need to reauthenticate)
2011[15:22:37] <MaxFrames> journalctl last line is: Error looking up permission: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.impl.portal.PermissionStore was not provided by any .service files
2012[15:23:48] <MaxFrames> how do I determine if the logon screen is gdm? this is a default debian 10 installation anyway, meaning I left all the choices at default
2015[15:25:23] <MaxFrames> another error is gsd-rfkill[5541]: Error setting up rfkill: Could not open RFKILL control device, please verify your installation
2016[15:26:05] <humbot> this is a vm right
2017[15:26:13] <MaxFrames> yes
2018[15:26:29] <humbot> do you need a login screen or any power management?
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2021[15:27:31] <MaxFrames> I just need this vm to never go to sleep
2022[15:28:11] <MaxFrames> though it unnerves me that if I (which I don't plan to do often) log on to gnome and try to change some settings, I immediately get disconnected from the session for no apparent reason
2037[15:39:59] <MaxFrames> I have disabled wayland on the login screen with the WaylandEnable=false directive in /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf
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2040[15:40:14] <MaxFrames> I dunno... what else to do
2041[15:40:26] <Haohmaru> well, i reinstalled yet again, this time, after merely extracting my old etc.tar.gz into /etc - immediately the monitor went into some cyclic sh*t
2043[15:42:26] <Miles8of9> Normally Linux systems can only read from Windows NTFS partitions, but not write to them which can be very annoying if you have to work with Linux and Windows systems <-- wtf legal issues!
2068[15:51:35] <MaxFrames> I can't help thinking that it should not be this hard. these are trivial issues, the solution cannot be some mysterious alchemy.
2069[15:52:14] <jelly> MaxFrames: best adjust your expectation of how polished things are on debian
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2073[15:52:42] <MaxFrames> it appears so. I just did not have these problems with wheezy.
2074[15:53:21] <MaxFrames> I just want to disable auto suspend. and be able to use a control panel without the session crashing (or disconnecting?) by itself. nothing else
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2088[15:57:34] <EdePopede> Haohmaru: files kept open at that moment should still be available for the application, the other ones can be reinstalled (or copied back)
2096[15:59:02] <Haohmaru> well, after a reinstall, in text mode i logged in as root, and did "tar xpf /home/etc.tar.gz -C /"
2097[15:59:19] <Haohmaru> and this time immediately the monitor went into a black cycle
2098[15:59:42] <Haohmaru> i couldn't do much besides ctrl+alt+del a pile of times
2099[15:59:53] <Haohmaru> and now the sh*t looks pretty broken
2100[16:00:37] <Haohmaru> the first time i did this same thing, it went "okay" and i could even do "apt-get update" and i could see it's using my old sources.list which has backports and stuff
2101[16:01:01] <Haohmaru> but this time it reacted (badly) immediately as i uncompressed the stuff onto /etc
2102[16:01:53] <TimBandTech> When I choose LXDE on a fresh standard install it chooses wicd for the network manager, which fails to recognize my wifi. It's a Dell Precision M3400 with the 3411 Broadcom wifi pci adapter. I load the b43 after the network install over wired eth. Then I change over to gnome's network manager and everything is fine. I'm blaming wicd, but i have not dug deep on this one.
2103[16:02:11] <Haohmaru> now if i try to re-extract the stuff into /etc, i get piles of errors like "tar: etc/console-setup: cannot change ownership to uid 0, gid 0: read-only file system"
2104[16:02:15] <EdePopede> oh so you literally threw some old stuff over /etc. i thought it was as least some .deb unpacking
2113[16:04:07] <Haohmaru> no idea.. basically, after a fresh install, i can't use login screen because the radeon doesn't have the fancy driver and throws an odd resolution at the monitor, so i switch to ctrl+alt+F1, login as root, and extract my old etc.tar.gz on top of /etc
2115[16:04:37] <hugo_> Hello all, i usually use "ssh-agent && ssh-add" commands to save my ssh passphrase. What command could i use to know if my ssh key was added to the session ?
2116[16:05:00] <Haohmaru> no idea about syslogs, there were 2 reboots since then
2117[16:05:06] <Haohmaru> maybe it's gone
2118[16:05:15] <EdePopede> fixing a gpu issue like this brought up a gpu issue. may be related ;)
2138[16:11:35] <jelly> MaxFrames: does the workaround described in that bug report not work?
2139[16:11:41] <Haohmaru> "gzip: /var/log/syslog*gzls.gz: no such file or directory" "/var/log/syslog:Dec 9 16:34:37 cad kernel: [ some.numbers] EXT4-fs (sda2): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro"
2140[16:12:09] <MaxFrames> jelly: I have applied it an am waiting to see if the suspend warning will still come up
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2142[16:12:32] <EdePopede> Haohmaru: that's it. now the question is, why was it remounted? related to the unpacking maybe?
2143[16:12:40] <Haohmaru> hm, EdePopede seems i've entered the wrong command
2144[16:12:50] <MaxFrames> that said, the system never went to sleep. I've left it unattended for about two hours. so I don't even know if the suspend warning is "real" or a red herring
2145[16:12:56] <Haohmaru> ls actually returns just /var/log/syslog
2146[16:12:59] <EdePopede> btw, the numbers are the timestamp as %s.%N (man strftime, man date)
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2167[16:18:21] <jim> I did: checkbackport git, and the reply was: "Backporting package git in sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster, virtual.", and my question is, what's this virtual thing?
2173[16:19:26] <dpkg> i guess virtual is when you can see it, but its not there, as opposed to hidden, where you can't see it, but it is there, when its gone, then you can't see it and it isn't there. a model of reality, in a handy carrying case, or <virtual package>, or <virtualization>.
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2175[16:20:14] <EdePopede> Haohmaru: either you could reformat the timestamp to something readable: $ date -d @<YOUR_TIMESTAMP_HERE> ## and then do `ls -lctr` on a directory which the files you changed, this brings the newest files at the end. and then check the timings.
2181[16:22:03] <EdePopede> Haohmaru: or do a 'stat -t' on such a directory and grep for a timestamp similar to the one from that log line. e.g. it was just 1575904851, in this case i'd check for 1575904, that's around 14 minutes
2206[16:27:14] <Haohmaru> altho i do wonder why i was able to extract etc.tar.gz over /etc on the first reinstall and then it seemed to "work" enough so as to do apt-get update and get no errors
2207[16:28:05] <Haohmaru> is there anything i can try to do that would take less time than another full reinstall?
2220[16:31:32] <Haohmaru> hm, but if with netinst i have to type crazy commands to "mount" partitions - then no, i'd rather take a live image cuz that works easier x_x
2221[16:31:35] <horseshoecrab> Haohmaru: the only thing that should matter is if the "live image" has enought "tools" to do what you want.
2222[16:31:52] <horseshoecrab> (although im not entirely sure i understand exactly what you are trying to do)
2223[16:31:57] * horseshoecrab scrolls up a bit...
2224[16:32:06] <Haohmaru> horseshoecrab they do.. don't they? i even apt-get install gparted in a live iso
2225[16:32:28] <horseshoecrab> i think netinst is pretty minimal
2226[16:32:39] <Haohmaru> yeah, i know.. it probably won't work
2227[16:32:41] <horseshoecrab> but im not 100% sure
2228[16:32:47] <Haohmaru> or at least.. not so "easy"
2229[16:32:57] <horseshoecrab> if you are in the doo-doo and you gotta boot from some media
2230[16:33:00] <horseshoecrab> and mount your disks
2231[16:33:04] <horseshoecrab> and maybe chroot etc...
2232[16:33:25] <Haohmaru> i certainly know i can do it with a LXDE live image, i can click via the PCManFM filemanager to get stuff mounted and then type commandz in terminal
2233[16:33:34] <horseshoecrab> if its got to that horrible stage already, why make it worse? start downloading the fattest live iso you can find and get the coffee on.
2234[16:33:54] <Haohmaru> i don't wanna waste more time
2239[16:34:32] <horseshoecrab> i tend to agree with whislock
2240[16:34:39] <Haohmaru> what does that mean?
2241[16:34:55] <Haohmaru> what should i do?
2242[16:35:01] <horseshoecrab> Haohmaru: i think if you did something like: i can just take a tarball of the machine in this state and then extract it
2243[16:35:07] <Haohmaru> forget my etc.tar.gz and start from zero?
2244[16:35:11] <horseshoecrab> (not being mean)
2245[16:35:22] <horseshoecrab> you've demonstrated a certain lack of understanding. :P
2246[16:35:40] <Haohmaru> i haven't claimed i know wtf i'm doing
2247[16:35:46] <horseshoecrab> you can continue messing around and it will (depending on your personal attitude to life) possibly be a very good learning experience
2248[16:36:03] <EdePopede> Haohmaru: shure, / is read-only. no chance at all to create or change anything there until it is mounted rw again.
2249[16:36:05] <horseshoecrab> but if you just want it to work, then you should probably look at other options (which means a reinstall) :(
2250[16:36:28] <Haohmaru> okay, so another reinstall then
2251[16:36:39] <EdePopede> of the packages or of the os?
2252[16:36:41] <whislock> Haohmaru: Reinstall and fresh configuration. Don't try this /etc thing again.
2253[16:36:50] <Haohmaru> the reason i did this etc.tar.gz thing is because mr nvz told me so
2254[16:36:58] <horseshoecrab> i mean its fine to try
2255[16:37:06] <horseshoecrab> i might even try it if i was desperate enough
2256[16:37:12] <Haohmaru> (because i wanted to keep all my configz and customizations there)
2257[16:37:21] <EdePopede> /etc is apt-get wonderland. restricted area, prosecutors will be... punished ;)
2258[16:37:23] <horseshoecrab> but i wouldnt expect it to work on any machine that didnt have a very simple config.
2259[16:37:47] <Haohmaru> EdePopede that's what i told nvz too, because i thought it's gonna mess up things
2260[16:37:48] <horseshoecrab> Haohmaru: keeping the old /etc/ to help you rebuild the new machine is a different matter.
2261[16:37:53] <horseshoecrab> that can be very useful
2262[16:37:53] <EdePopede> manual changes have to be done carefully and minimalinvasive as possible (i don't even touch the original apache files)
2263[16:38:03] <horseshoecrab> but a drag and drop is chancing it at best (imvho)
2264[16:38:16] <Haohmaru> okay
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2286[16:46:07] <EdePopede> some features of total commander from windows would be nice to have, maybe i even would switch then. but if this would replace mc's subshell paradigm?
2287[16:46:32] <Haohmaru> i knew i shouldn't trust him
2298[16:50:43] <Haohmaru> it's not the first time he's suggesting things i should try, and then he vanishes away, and leaves me alone as the brickwall approaches
2315[16:57:14] <Haohmaru> EdePopede well, as i said, on the first reinstall, extracting the tar "worked" .. what didn't work was the dpkg --set-selections
2316[16:57:37] <Haohmaru> because my packages.lst contains too many things that had :i386 (duh)
2317[16:58:07] <Haohmaru> that's why i'm thinking maybe it could work but not while the system is running
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2325[16:59:21] <Haohmaru> monitor went black, into some cycle, had to reboot it by pumping ctrl+alt+del, then systemd wanted to vomit
2326[16:59:57] <EdePopede> i had just a few i386 things installed over the years. mostly i remember skype, and i think it is(was?) one of the typical proprietary software issues: they want to build only one version, and there were 64bit for intel AND amd. so typing `make` 3 times? nah, by far too much work
2327[17:00:00] <MaxFrames> that is some colorful description
2328[17:00:13] <Haohmaru> EdePopede my whole debian installation was 32bit
2329[17:00:23] <Haohmaru> i don't remember why
2330[17:00:32] <EdePopede> a good reason to do a clean install with 64bit ;)
2331[17:00:45] <Haohmaru> that's.. what i thought i was doing
2332[17:00:46] <jelly> perhaps you installed it first back when there was no 64bit
2333[17:00:49] <EdePopede> downloaded the wrong iso for the initial install?
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2335[17:01:36] <Haohmaru> jelly i think it might have been either debian 8 or 9, and i read about "btrfs" and had the impression it might be kewl, so i installed it on btrfs
2336[17:01:47] <Haohmaru> and maybe i've went for 32bit then
2369[17:09:13] <Haohmaru> he was already on it, i don't know why i gave him a chance
2370[17:09:21] <horseshoecrab> i think a good takeaway might be: "etc has a lot files. some of these are very simple default boilerplate stuff, but some are very complicated"
2371[17:09:38] <Haohmaru> basically, i knew this already
2372[17:09:42] *** Parts: MaxFrames (~MaxFrames@replaced-ip) ("It's awfully considerate of you to think of me here, and I'm most obliged to you for making it clear that I'm not here.")
2374[17:09:57] <horseshoecrab> Haohmaru: you needed help and he appeared helpful. id prefer not to project to much, i kind of assume he was trying to help as well. :)
2375[17:10:07] <horseshoecrab> i dont see much evidence of him being malicious per se.
2376[17:10:31] <Haohmaru> that's why i was looking at alternative ways like "CrossGrading" (but they told me it's very difficult), and reinstalling (which i didn't want to do if there's a faster way)
2377[17:11:04] <simplicius> I have mounted a device with sudo jmtpfs /home/gidna/simplicius
2378[17:11:06] <greycat> "Crossgrading" is the word used for "in-place architecture gration"
2379[17:11:10] <greycat> mi
2380[17:11:17] * greycat glares at fingers and keyboard
2381[17:11:27] <Haohmaru> horseshoecrab he's on my list not because he's malicious, but because he's probably in a different timezone, and as i try out what he suggested, he's already gone
2382[17:11:31] <simplicius> I cannot access without root priviledges
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2387[17:12:22] <Haohmaru> it would've been funny if you were a greyoctopus
2388[17:12:31] <greycat> "Crossgrading" is the word used for "in-place architecture migration". Whether it WORKS or not is highly questionable. It is definitely a "back up everything first" situation.
2390[17:12:57] <EdePopede> Haohmaru: just for fun i did a minimal istall on the lenovo. still 200+ packages. when i started with linux (slackware, then debian with a 2.0 kernel) everything was much smaller. no useable internet, so i had the peace of mind to walk through my filesystem.
2391[17:12:58] <horseshoecrab> it sounds scary.
2392[17:13:10] <Haohmaru> yeah i had packed up my projects, just didn't want to loose my configs and customization.. my /home is a separate partition
2393[17:13:21] <Haohmaru> but i got stuff in /etc for sure
2394[17:13:23] <horseshoecrab> Haohmaru: that can be very hand.
2396[17:13:39] <EdePopede> maybe have a 2nd system or a vm to potentially break things
2397[17:13:47] <horseshoecrab> Haohmaru: id take the approach of regularly backing up etc. but just not to "drop in place" when i came to restore / rebuild
2398[17:14:12] <horseshoecrab> more a reference. i might selectively just copy *some* stuff over network/interfaces perhaps
2399[17:14:33] <horseshoecrab> but never just all of it and expect to work - but that comes from bitter experience. :)
2402[17:14:40] <Haohmaru> right.. it originally never even passed thru my mind to do such things with /etc/ because i knew it has delicate things there.. untill nvz changed my mind
2403[17:15:12] <Haohmaru> and as i said, it appeared that it might work, and it also appeared that it can break horribly
2404[17:15:14] <Haohmaru> ;P~
2405[17:15:29] <horseshoecrab> also this might be worth considering, even though i am fairly experienced i tend to "leave my own version and ignore package maintainers..."
2452[17:27:40] <annadane> right now it's just for reddit enhancement suite, and i think before that it was because of dns over https (though i think in esr 60 you could still set it in about:config)
2453[17:28:03] <ratrace> oh you actually _want_ that feature :)
2454[17:28:38] <annadane> maybe eventually i'll get tired of breakage or changes or whatever and use esr i guess
2455[17:28:55] <generic> how do i update one packet ?
2460[17:30:55] <annadane> the browser is essentially the one thing i want a new version of
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2462[17:31:09] <ratrace> btw, how is firefox 70 using alsa, I thought they default builds to pulseaudio since... many versions now. you'd need to recompile for alsa, no?
2473[17:35:38] <unborn> @generic: apt update packagename should solve your problem.. if you on sid, perhaps you should ask on debian-next channel, however sid runs very smooth..
2489[17:38:27] <nvz> technically apt update, updates the apt cache
2490[17:38:27] <unborn> apt update would only update current db apt upgrade will upgrade all installed packages and apt install package name would install your beasts.. I was incorrect how to update the installed packages.. sorry about that
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2507[17:40:46] <greycat> you're allowed your opinion
2508[17:40:54] <nvz> apt install foo would install package foo, if its already installed and a newer version is available in the cache, it will upgrade, and if no newer version is available and its auto-installed it will be marked manually installed
2509[17:41:18] <unborn> greycat: please correct me with your greatest know-how however I would do it is apt upgate and then apt upgrade package..
2533[17:44:54] <jelly> nvz: well at least it tells you about it
2534[17:45:00] <srged> k
2535[17:45:16] <unborn> srged: since 3th gen of ss evos does run 3d nand with mx you should not feel the differences but if you run older version you could after few minutes of starting copying files
2536[17:45:30] <nvz> jelly: yeah well.. I THOUGHT it wouldnt do that if you said upgrade.. but it does it either way if no new version is available
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2540[17:46:54] <nvz> jelly: it'd make sense for it not to do it on upgrade.. cause you're TELLING it that you want to UPGRADE.. where when you tell it you want to install... if its already installed its understandable to take that to mean you want it manually installed
2541[17:47:32] <unborn> its normal.. even under windows.. mb degrade the speed as files or electronic impulses come into flow which means you would often would be left with slower speed while copying - something similar with cheap mirco cards in phones.. the more youre copying the slower process would be.. you can google it all..
2542[17:47:47] <whislock> unborn: What the hell are you going on about?
2548[17:49:26] <whislock> Write caching. Writes get cached in memory until the filesystem is synced. Memory absorbs writes a hell of a lot faster than the disk does. Simple.
2549[17:49:40] <unborn> whislock: Im sorry just google it.. he asked and I answered there is huge difference how flash memory process the things regards mb and mx types.. there are even helpful videos about it on youtube :)
2550[17:49:48] <Cerb> hi. I am trying to install the clisp package on debian stretch . it seems it is not in the repositories that I am using and I cannot find a source that tells me how to update them
2551[17:50:06] <whislock> unborn: Just stop, please. There's enough garbage information on the internet, we don't need to add to it here.
2552[17:50:13] <nvz> I think you're confusing Crucial MX and BX SERIES
2570[17:52:32] <greycat> You can either upgrade to buster, or attempt to backport the clisp package to stretch, or attempt to build upstream's clisp on stretch.
2571[17:52:45] <nvz> whislock: way I see it is, its easier to get them to understand something that doesnt exist in reality than understand the meaning of a question :P
2572[17:53:04] <whislock> nvz: If you can't dazzle with brilliance, baffle with bullshit?
2573[17:53:04] <nvz> there is no mb vs mx.. that is more easily verifyable :P
2581[17:54:43] <Furry_Kitty> It appears they have decided to officially support systemd only
2582[17:54:48] * Haohmaru eyeballz nvz
2583[17:54:49] <Cerb> greycat: thanks. all options (other than upgrading to buster) seem beyond what i am able to do. it is strange because i am trying to install a very old software that requires clisp...and wants version at least as new as one from 2006
2584[17:54:52] <whislock> Sensible.
2585[17:54:56] <greycat> whislock: there is a vote upcoming about the init system, and all the systemd-haters are in a turmoil about it
2586[17:54:58] <annadane> no, but there's a current resolution
2587[17:55:05] <annadane> yeah what greycat said
2588[17:55:15] <annadane> it's systemd decision part 2
2590[17:55:46] <Furry_Kitty> nvz It's 2019. I was not speaking of the default init system Debian is using, which is systemd for very good reasons. I was speaking about supporting other systems of which I don't see a point
2646[18:03:30] <karlpinc> Is there a way to check the installed packages to see that required(or even recommended) packages are installed? I'm thinking of what happens when apt (apt-get, etc.) start giving me choices about resolving conflicts and how to find out if bad choices have been made in the past.
2657[18:06:46] <karlpinc> greycat: Thanks. I see the approach. I've never had to worry about this before but am walking onto a system which someone else has been administering and am afraid there's going to be cleanup required.
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2660[18:07:28] <annadane> if i want to zero out a hard drive fully before installing debian, a) how long does it take roughly and b) it's just "dd if=dev/zero of=/dev/sda" and then install?
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2662[18:07:41] <jelly> karlpinc: don't do any install or upgrade or {dist,full}-upgrade before making sure sources and pinning are sane
2663[18:07:51] <greycat> missed a slash in if=
2664[18:08:10] <greycat> dd's default block size is rather small, so you might also want something like bs=64k
2665[18:08:12] <karlpinc> jelly: It's a little late for that. Which is why I asked.
2666[18:08:13] <annadane> yeah /dev/zero
2667[18:08:14] <eblip> hey i have installed okular on debian to opena an epub...but there is not the option to open a epub
2668[18:08:18] <eblip> any ideas
2669[18:08:21] <jelly> !pal karlpinc
2670[18:08:21] * dpkg points at karlpinc and laughs hysterically
2684[18:11:10] <dka> Hi, I am looking for the name of the movie of the Bruce Lee's life. It's in two part and part 1 was when he was kid and went to US. what's the second movie ?
2685[18:11:19] <karlpinc> annadane: Secure erase is nice. As a bonus you can then make sure that there's enough free space reserved (0%-20%, depending on SSD quality) that you don't get write amplification. Best is to simply not partition the reserved space.
2700[18:20:05] <karlpinc> annadane: SSDs can suffer from write amplification, which means very slow writing, forever, once the drive has started to get full. Spinning disks, if you're going to be tweaky, are faster on the outer cylinders because the heads don't have to move to the next track as often. So you can put the stuff you want to be really fast in (the) partition(s) at the beginning of the drive.
2708[18:23:29] <unborn> dka: we are open source community supporting something else here.. we do not share files or torrents to illegal activity, we only share our knowledge and torrents leading to debian linux operating system. have good day - ALL.
2715[18:26:49] <annadane> it wasn't even a 'i have adversaries' question, it was just like, making sure the drive was clean... or something... before installing
2716[18:26:58] <annadane> despite the fact the d_i probably does that already
2717[18:27:13] <greycat> It's simply not a thing one needs to do.
2720[18:27:49] <annadane> when i inevitably trash this computer then yeah i'll dd it
2721[18:27:55] <greycat> When you make a file system, it initializes whatever sectors it actually has to initialize and declares the rest of the disk to be "available", regardless of whatever rubbish is on it.
2722[18:28:07] <annadane> yeah yeah yeah.
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2726[18:30:38] <GenTooMan> if you wish to securely wipe a hard disk I've used shred it takes overnight on a 2T hard disk however.
2727[18:32:47] <unborn> GenTooMan: drill bit and drill.. few minutes like 2 minutes, rest could be microwaved in 2 minutes and there is zero... its shredded properly
2728[18:33:10] <annadane> WHAT are you TALKING about
2729[18:33:37] <greycat> unborn: wipe as in "reuse it afterward", not destroy
2730[18:33:44] <EdePopede> or throw it into an aluminium fire
2731[18:34:15] <GenTooMan> wiping a hard disk clean. you can't reformat a modern HD as that can only be done by the manufacturer.
2732[18:34:39] <GenTooMan> secure erase is the closest thing at this time to reformatting one.
2736[18:36:52] <unborn> greycat: ah I see.. well.. yes - Im after night shift here it is 17:36 and I had been up since day before and before that time...I know not excuse for me.. I think I will get a sleep... that is perhaps I get destroy like wipe out.. means I am tired.. Im sorry about that. - but be devil and do destroy everything to lead towards you ;) night night.
2737[18:37:24] <jelly> GenTooMan: shred(1) with its 3 overwrites is probably overkill on modern disks
2747[18:38:56] <GenTooMan> jelly yes you are very likely right (almost wrote that write ... ) at the time I had some old maxtors and was doing those at the time.
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2749[18:39:33] <annadane> i will never memorize man page conventions enough to use (1) in casual conversation :P
2750[18:39:37] <GenTooMan> unborn sleep is not over rated. It leads to sanity. :D
2754[18:40:26] <greycat> in this context, "shred(1)" means "the actual program whose name is shred, that you can execute as a command", as opposed to the English word, or the general concept of data shredding
2755[18:40:38] <annadane> oh that's fair enough then
2757[18:41:29] <unborn> GenTooMan: only open source and linux and human beings with love leads to sanity - yes sleep and sex too.. - man which part of the I am off you did not understood - now I am forced to dnd button - it looks nice somehow.. bey
2758[18:41:42] <jelly> annadane: uh, (1) for one normal command, (8) for root stuff requiring infinite power, (5) for file syntax, eg. hosts(5) ("hosts" has five letters)
2767[18:44:21] <GenTooMan> I dare someone to do man ffmpeg :D
2768[18:44:38] <jak2000> hi in my network 192.168.8.* i have a server that listen in 8006 port (proxmox server)... my question is, how to fin the server(which ip)?
2769[18:44:52] <greycat> *plonk*
2770[18:45:32] <annadane> man bash
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2804[18:56:57] <annadane> or rather, backported for stable so firefox can migrate
2805[18:57:02] <annadane> i'm not certain though
2806[18:57:27] <jelly> jak2000: read the manual, but in general do some sort of tcp scan on -p 8006 on 192.168.8.1-254 (I'm assuming it's a /24 segment, if it's not you might need to include .0 and .255 as well)
2807[18:57:47] <greycat> Is the build toolset significantly different between f-esr 68.2 and 68.3?
2890[19:21:39] <wrksx> How are you supposed to intall an older version of a package in debian? Not sure what happens, but I want to install an older version of mariaDB (10.3.17) but it only sees the 'current'version.
2910[19:27:34] <jhutchins_wk> Note that the dpkg system does not support rollbacks, you'd have to uninstall and install the older version. There might be features implemented in the database that aren't backwards compatible, but that shouldn't happen with a minor version change.
2922[19:32:58] <jak2000> apt install nmap give me this error: "subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" replaced-url
2942[19:41:44] <somiaj> I think wheezy has moved to archive.debian.org, now that lts support is over.
2943[19:41:51] <somiaj> !wheezy lts
2944[19:41:51] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See replaced-url
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2946[19:42:16] <somiaj> in general if your system is exposed to the internet, you shouldn't be running wheezy anymore
2947[19:42:22] <nyov> it has wheezed it's last breath
2971[19:51:58] <greycat> wheezy support ended May 31, 2016 and they put out wheezy 7.11 on June 4
2972[19:52:05] <jak2000> apt install nmap give me this error: "subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" replaced-url
2998[19:57:55] <somiaj> The netinstall won't, maybe you could point the netboot at the archive, I think the archive also has copies of sarges installer
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3000[19:58:12] <somiaj> also seems that wheezy/updates got coppied over to archive.debian.org which will contain LTS updates
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3042[20:10:28] <X200-1984> Hola
3043[20:10:33] <karlpinc> tom_work: The installer should let you choose from where you install. You can point it to the archive. (If nothing else, by editing sources.list in a vt. But that shouldn't be necessary.)
3047[20:13:09] <greycat> or, spend the bare minimum amount of time in the installer, and just add the additional pkgs you want after booting into the installed system
3053[20:15:15] <somiaj> karlpinc: I think you need to be careful there, the standard installer installs the base system from the installer (not where you point it to), the exepctio to this is the netboot image.
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3055[20:15:34] <genericum> and there i was Thinking that
3056[20:16:06] <genericum> updating Firefox might solve the problem
3083[20:30:30] <karlpinc> I don't use apt-get a whole lot. Does it (by default) always ask before removing packages?
3084[20:31:42] <karlpinc> I'm trying to see what it wants to do without doing it. --trivial-only seems to abort kind of early, telling me that it's not removing a package but I see "260 not upgraded" and I wonder what they are.
3085[20:34:43] <somiaj> apt-get asks for conformation if it ever has to do more than you told it to
3086[20:34:56] <somiaj> so if you say apt-get remove package1, but package2 also needs to be remoed, it will ask.
3087[20:35:07] <ksk> how about "--simulate"? :P
3088[20:35:21] <somiaj> simulate won't ask, it will just tell you what would have gotten removed
3126[20:59:15] <greycat> Well, I bit the bullet and upgraded my containered VPS wheezy system to jessie, by forcing the init system to remain decrepit. Because 2.6 kernel. Can't systemd. But I haven't rebooted it yet.
3179[21:31:18] <greycat> No, now I'm ignoring you, because YOU ARE STATING THINGS THAT FLY IN THE FACE OF COMMON SENSE AND OF EVERYONE'S EXPERIENCE, without giving any actual details to back up these outlandish claims.
3245[22:08:57] <physiology_> Never afraid to get torn apart by a room of Linux guys. :). I am trying to start from a base installation each morning (after we ruin the machine with testing during the day).
3253[22:11:49] <physiology_> Because we've been asked to test on physical machines now! We've found that some of the work that we are developing works on VMs but not physical. So we must test physical now to be sure.
3254[22:11:55] <physiology_> I guess manual instal is the only answer?
3256[22:12:58] <greycat> Well, the "real hardware" way is to copy the disk image to a disk, once a day, which will take a few hours. So, you probably want to have THREE copies of each hard drive -- the master, the one in use being destroyed, and the one you'll use next morning.
3258[22:13:42] <greycat> Come in, remove the destroyed disk, put in the one you copied yesterday, and begin the next copy onto the destroyed disk, to be used tomorrow.
3259[22:14:26] <greycat> see also /msg greybot b21
3283[22:19:12] <physiology_> somiaj: They will be done on a live system throughout the day. Then, at night, I'm aiming to reset the system through some automated means.
3288[22:20:12] <somiaj> physiology_: but you cuold use live-build to build a live system, boot from this live system, and do everything form the live system. Once the live system is shut down, it will always boot back to its initial state.
3289[22:20:16] <greycat> You cannot remove and reimage a physical disk "automatically" unless you program a robot to open up the machine, remove the disk, etc.
3295[22:21:32] <somiaj> depending on what you can do, this can be memeory intensive (since the whole system is being run in memeory and not from a physical hd)
3296[22:22:04] <physiology_> This is good to be talking it out with you guys. somiaj, that makes sense and at least is a place to start.
3298[22:22:14] <somiaj> but if what you are doing can be done from a live system, this can avoid the whole imagagin process, just boot the live system, destory it you want, then reboot and you are back to your base case (though you may need to learn to build your own custom live systems)
3299[22:22:15] <physiology_> Failing that, a bit of manual work needs to be done
3300[22:22:56] <somiaj> debian live has tools and documents on how to build a custom live system (using live-build) from debian.
3302[22:24:12] <physiology_> This could be a fun project. I've never been in that world.
3303[22:24:12] <nyov> physiology_: clonezilla can re-image harddisks from a central server over the network.
3304[22:24:20] <andres833> Hi everyone, anyone had trouble with ssh cipher when try access to old server with a Debian version old? thanks
3305[22:24:27] <physiology_> nyov: Can it be automated/scripted?
3306[22:24:55] <nyov> physiology_: if your client machines can be booted WOL, should work
3307[22:25:03] <nyov> Wake-On-Lan, that is
3308[22:25:39] <somiaj> physiology_: though imaging can take some time, hence I like greycat's idea of having multiple disks you swap around, so the imagaing is happening while you are working on the days system.
3309[22:25:54] <nyov> but check the docs. I remember we used norton ghost for that and windows clients
3310[22:25:54] <physiology_> I gotcha. I see no reason that they couldn't be. I'm not configuring it to any compliance level. Just plain install.
3311[22:25:56] <somiaj> physiology_: depending on the image size, it could take hours for the image to work over the network.
3333[22:35:59] <jhutchins_wk> physiology_: What about the idea of taking one snapshot, then restoring that every day. They do that for computer labs.
3334[22:36:32] <jhutchins_wk> physiology_: The other thing they do is have a master image on a server and boot to that image every day, without the ability to write back to the master.
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3336[22:36:53] <physiology_> jhutchins_wk: That ties in with using Clonezilla (or some similar solution), I think. Some centralized server would be required, but yeah.
3337[22:37:08] <physiology_> jhutchins_wk: I appreciate it. :)
3338[22:37:16] <greycat> Oh, that's a reasonable alternative too. Diskless clients that boot from the net.