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29[00:28:33] <Gassisy> hello together, which Debian package do I need for GCC arm 32 toolchain?
30[00:28:57] <Gassisy> Error: CROSS_COMPILE_ARM32 not defined or empty
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40[00:39:50] <nvz> Gassisy: replaced-url
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91[01:24:43] <bully> hello
92[01:25:09] <bully> its been about 10 years since i used linux so im having a few rather stupid questions probably
93[01:25:34] <bully> is gnome outdated? whats the preferable desktop ?
94[01:25:55] <bully> i couldnt resolve gnome.org
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96[01:26:13] <oerheks> gnome2 is outdated, .. but we have gnome3 now
97[01:27:00] <bully> ok
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99[01:28:03] <bully> how can i print the output of dmesg constantly to terminal window? so i can see the output when i plug in for example a usb device to see errors
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102[01:29:01] <nvz> bully: less -S +F /proc/kmsg
103[01:29:06] <bully> and another question, debian keeps logging out my desktop when i switch to terminal by ctrl + alt + f6, i tried removing .x-Authority file but no luck
104[01:29:17] <bully> Thanks
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106[01:30:44] <nvz> bully: dmesg -w
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108[01:31:27] <nvz> I guess with /proc/kmsg you need only use cat
109[01:32:29] <nvz> cause it has no EOF anyhow
110[01:32:38] <nvz> its reading the buffer directly
111[01:32:54] <nvz> but the less -S +F thing works well for normal logs
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113[01:34:33] <nvz> bully: the file is called ~/.Xauthority not .x-Authority, and it has nothing to do with your login at all
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115[01:35:15] <nvz> its a file storing session authentication info for making sure clients are authorized to use the server
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117[01:35:44] <nvz> if your DE is logging out, thats probably a setting in your DE
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119[01:35:57] <nvz> I know most of them have autolock and crap enabled by default
120[01:38:32] <bully> another issue i have, i have a linksys wifi adapter and built in wifi, and the connection is awful even though the router is next to the setup and it barely connects
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122[01:44:11] <bully> nvz, ok i saw some post on google where they suggested that was the issue due to login in to x as root
123[01:45:03] <nvz> yes, well you shouldn't login to X as root, thats just stupid
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125[01:45:54] <nvz> you may as well just toss your computer in the microwave.. at least then you'll know when its done
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129[01:49:34] <bully> it was by mistake, i hit f10 or whatever it is and got logged in
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131[01:51:26] <nvz> @.@
132[01:51:44] <nvz> gnome3 is outdated.. gnome2 was just renamed to MATE
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134[01:52:42] <whislock> MATE was a gnome2 fork, not just renamed.
135[01:53:26] <nvz> a fork is being renamed :P
136[01:54:10] <whislock> That might be one (small) element of a fork, but that's hardly the correct description.
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152[02:04:07] <bully> what happend to ifconfig?
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154[02:04:17] <whislock> bully: Deprecated over ten years ago.
155[02:04:22] <whislock> bully: See 'ip'.
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159[02:05:34] <daeros> I am running 2019.4 and every time I try to run winecfg it tells me it cannot find wine32 even though I installed libwine... I cannot figure out how to fix this and i've tried googling...
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161[02:05:53] <daeros> I need to install the 32 bit version of wine
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163[02:06:00] <daeros> and cannot figure out how
164[02:06:01] <whislock> daeros: 2019.4 of what?
165[02:06:05] <daeros> kali linux
166[02:06:11] <whislock> Wrong channel.
167[02:06:16] <daeros> sorry
168[02:06:18] <daeros> whoops
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171[02:06:54] <darthdeus> hey guys, is there some way to download a .deb package from repositories online? I'm probably dumb, but I just don't see it here replaced-url
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173[02:07:16] <darthdeus> there are only downloads for the source :\
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178[02:11:03] <oerheks> click your arch, replaced-url
179[02:11:25] <oerheks> then the mirror
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181[02:12:31] <darthdeus> oerheks: thanks!
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297[04:19:34] <magic_ninja> how can I change the timing for unattended upgrades. They always happen in the middle of the evening.
298[04:20:39] <nvz> replaced-url
299[04:21:04] <nvz> I think they got something in there that by default tries to mix up the times to even out the load on mirrors
300[04:21:20] <nvz> I haven't really looked into it, as I'm not a fan of auto updates
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303[04:22:28] <nvz> replaced-url
304[04:22:43] <magic_ninja> thanks
305[04:22:48] <magic_ninja> I don't mind it for security updates.
306[04:22:54] <magic_ninja> I just wish it didn't use up my entire connection
307[04:23:22] <nvz> idk I rarely see bottleneck on the download.. its the dpkg db thrashing that slows most machines
308[04:23:35] <nvz> thats after the download is finished
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310[04:24:07] <nvz> the download is just an http get and typically doesnt do more than 2-3 at a time at most
311[04:24:16] <nvz> and I believe you can configure that as well
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346[05:03:17] <sponix> nvz: you still alive ?
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348[05:03:57] <nvz> how would I know?
349[05:04:35] <nvz> I havent farted in hours.. I might not be..
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351[05:04:51] <sponix> I had to ditch the unattended updates. When my rig takes an Nvidia update everything starts to go sideways if I don't reboot after. Back in Nvidia 390 and so that didn't happen though
352[05:05:26] <nvz> you ever look at your kernel messages?
353[05:05:52] <nvz> you'll find one that says something to the effect of "this module taints your kernel"
354[05:05:55] <nvz> heh
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358[05:22:00] <sponix> nvz: you said taint - lol
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423[06:30:23] <chimp> if I right click on desktop I get no menus , not sure how to troubleshoot it
424[06:30:54] <chimp> also I am unable to add any desktop backgrounds , have been trying to remove everything but xfce
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434[06:40:03] <oxek> will debian be packaging powershell eventually? or is there something preventing debian from packaging it?
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439[06:43:13] <themill> ,wnpp powershell
440[06:43:14] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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498[07:41:09] <xcorshinex> guys is there something wrong with debian 10? those apps that I downloaded from snapcraft dont appears on my list
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504[07:47:05] <diogenes_> xcorshinex, what list?
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507[07:47:55] <jelly> oh dear, deb.sury.org backports things like icu and openssl :-\
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509[07:48:37] <Unit193> Indeed. :/
510[07:49:10] <xcorshinex> diogenes_: I mean I searched it, but I cant find it
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512[07:50:21] <diogenes_> xcorshinex, sometimes you need a re-log in order for the shortcut to appear in the menu.
513[07:50:22] <jelly> welp, so much about recommending that
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515[07:51:12] <xcorshinex> diogenes_: relogin? you mean reboot the machine?
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518[07:51:45] <diogenes_> xcorshinex, no, logout and back.
519[07:51:56] <xcorshinex> diogenes_: ah okay will try it
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524[07:53:43] <xcorshinex> diogenes_: it works!! thanks mate
525[07:54:07] <diogenes_> np
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567[08:51:00] <MaxFrames> hello
568[08:53:00] <MaxFrames> I need to install a debian 10 virtual machine from scratch, and configure some services exactly as they were in an old debian 7 installation, so I will export the configurations and try to set up the services on the new machine
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571[08:53:53] <MaxFrames> one question: the old machine is x86; I would like to install the new one as amd64; will I have problems with exporting/importing the service configurations? namely openvpn, but also isc-dhcp-server and arpwatch
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580[09:00:22] <jm_> MaxFrames: in general no, there are obviously tools where this won't work
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583[09:01:24] <MaxFrames> do you think the three services I mentioned are among them?
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585[09:03:03] <jm_> my guess is you should be fine - the problem can happen if tools use some kind of binary storage format - I have converted several systems from x86 to amd64 and only run into an issue with bogofilter's database AFAIR
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602[09:16:19] <erkana> Hi, I am receiving no kernel modules loaded error on testing non free installer, I tried downloading 2 times, burned usb using rufus on windows and dd on a linux box but nothing changed. I downloaded from /cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/weekly-live-builds/amd64/iso-hybrid/. What might be going wrong?
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604[09:18:10] <ratrace> erkana: what's the context of the error?
605[09:18:50] <towo^work> erkana, don't use rufus
606[09:19:02] <towo^work> it does change the iso
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609[09:19:59] <erkana> error was related to kernel mismatch
610[09:20:13] <erkana> No kernel modules were found. This probably is due to a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the Installer and the kernel version available in the archive.
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612[09:20:45] <erkana> I also used a linux box and dd to create the usb, still got same error
613[09:21:40] <ratrace> erkana: but what is the context, what are you doing exactly that results with that error?
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615[09:24:01] <erkana> I was trying to install nonfree testing build on my laptop. Error came at step after selecting regional settings on installer
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619[09:26:55] <jelly> erkana: eh, the build might be broken.
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626[09:28:46] <jelly> erkana: if your goal is to have debian testing installed, use stable installer, install the base system, then upgrade to testing
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628[09:28:55] <jelly> !firmware images
629[09:28:55] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
630[09:30:28] <jelly> erkana: those testing installer, and testing live images are used to test the installer or live builds, not to install testing
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633[09:31:14] <jelly> and after that,
634[09:31:17] <jelly> !debian-next
635[09:31:17] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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642[09:37:08] <erkana> jelly, thank you for the info
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664[09:54:43] <rue_mohr> does anyone know anything about a update of gimp causing it to segfault?
665[09:55:03] <rue_mohr> according to what I'v seen online, its got something to do with a library version being wrong
666[09:55:23] <rue_mohr> but this was via apt-get, so the correct libraries should have aleady been installed
667[09:55:41] <rue_mohr> its like the gimp package fails to require the right library version?
668[09:55:48] <jm_> in debian stable?
669[09:55:51] <Lycurgus> version?
670[09:56:13] <rue_mohr> yes stable
671[09:57:03] <Lycurgus> 2.8.22 has never done that for me
672[09:57:33] <Lycurgus> in fact in more than a decade of use I can't recall gimp ever segfaulting
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674[09:59:03] <rue_mohr> well, maybe your system got whatever my gimp needs, from a different package
675[09:59:35] <rue_mohr> how do I trace the fault?
676[09:59:59] <Lycurgus> well the referred to epoch spans a number of distros
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678[10:00:26] <rue_mohr> gimp -v
679[10:00:27] <rue_mohr> GNU Image Manipulation Program version 2.10.8
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681[10:00:30] <rue_mohr> interesting
682[10:00:31] <Lycurgus> my advice would be not to and instead address the config issue
683[10:00:42] <Lycurgus> directly, using common sense
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685[10:01:11] <rue_mohr> dpkg --reconfigure?
686[10:01:12] <dpkg> rue_mohr: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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688[10:01:40] <jm_> do you see anything useful if you start it from a terminal?
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690[10:01:55] <rue_mohr> no, it just waits a while and segfualts
691[10:02:05] <jm_> which version is it?
692[10:02:13] <rue_mohr> GNU Image Manipulation Program version 2.10.8
693[10:02:19] <jm_> dpkg version
694[10:02:19] <dpkg> Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_ , or run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Miscellaneous commands: try --version on the command. For the version of Debian, ask me about <debian suite>.
695[10:02:26] <jm_> dpkg -s gimp
696[10:02:26] <dpkg> Dingos ate my gimp!
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699[10:07:28] <rue_mohr> +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++
700[10:07:58] <Haohmaru> o hai therr mr rue
701[10:08:04] <rue_mohr> openat(AT_FDCWD, "lib/i386-linux-gnu/charset.alias", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
702[10:08:05] <rue_mohr> hi
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717[10:19:21] <rue_mohr> dpkg-reconfigure didn't fix it
718[10:19:38] <rue_mohr> maybe a purge and reinsatll?
719[10:20:23] <rue_mohr> I suppose if I cant get it, I need to compile it myself maybe?
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722[10:21:21] <jelly> ,v gimp
723[10:21:22] <judd> Package: gimp on amd64 -- jessie: 2.8.14-1+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.8.14-1+deb8u2; stretch: 2.8.18-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.8.18-1+deb9u1; buster: 2.10.8-2; bullseye: 2.10.12-1; sid: 2.10.14-2
724[10:21:33] <rue_mohr> just removing gimps 41 dependency packages
725[10:21:40] <rue_mohr> I'm 32 bit
726[10:21:48] <Haohmaru> aww
727[10:21:56] <jelly> rue_mohr: a purge and reinstall only makes sense if you're sure it's gimp to fault, and not something else
728[10:22:04] * Haohmaru donates one moar bit to rue_mohr
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731[10:23:43] <jelly> rue_mohr: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy gimp libgimp2.0 gimp-data" and "ldd /usr/bin/gimp"
732[10:23:45] <rue_mohr> huh nope, still segfaults
733[10:25:04] <rue_mohr> please stand by...
734[10:25:52] <rue_mohr> replaced-url
735[10:26:09] <rue_mohr> replaced-url
736[10:26:25] <rue_mohr> replaced-url
737[10:26:32] <rue_mohr> see anything?
738[10:27:37] <colo-work> [10:21:41] <rue_mohr> I'm 32 bit - why, though? :)
739[10:27:51] <colo-work> maybe also try a `sudo debsums --silent`
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741[10:27:53] <rue_mohr> the install is from 2002, upgraded thru the years
742[10:28:07] <colo-work> rue_mohr, but you're on a 64bit host?
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744[10:28:14] <rue_mohr> it is now
745[10:28:24] <rue_mohr> I dont know how to move over without reinstalling
746[10:28:27] <jelly> ^
747[10:28:36] <colo-work> you're aware you can install a 64bit kernel and install packages from amd64 due to multilib?
748[10:28:43] <rue_mohr> nope
749[10:28:45] <rue_mohr> :)
750[10:28:51] <rue_mohr> thats a good thing to be aware of!
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752[10:28:54] <jelly> colo-work: that does not fix the whole dpkg arch.
753[10:28:59] <colo-work> (but yeah, "properly" crossgrading is... messy)
754[10:29:01] <colo-work> jelly, I know
755[10:29:02] <rue_mohr> so, to do that, do I make the kernel first?
756[10:29:13] <colo-work> but it's still valuable to have select programs available in 64bit, I think
757[10:29:31] <jelly> rue_mohr: I have 64bit kernel and google-chrome-stable and skypeforlinux on an otherwise 32bit buster and stretch.
758[10:29:52] <rue_mohr> ok
759[10:30:05] <rue_mohr> I do a custom kernel, but I presume I just check the 64bit when I do?
760[10:30:13] <rue_mohr> this could use a new kernel anyhow
761[10:30:23] <rue_mohr> errrr, if my video card is supported...
762[10:30:33] * jelly stopped with custom kernels around 2005ish
763[10:30:47] <rue_mohr> NVIDIA Corporation GF106 [GeForce GTS 450] <-- driverness is ugly
764[10:31:18] <jelly> if it fails with nouveau, you can try debian's packaging of nvidia closed drivers
765[10:31:35] <rue_mohr> so far I'v had to use the drivers from nvidia
766[10:31:52] <rue_mohr> the noveau ones would crash regularily
767[10:32:12] <Haohmaru> paiNVIDIA x_x
768[10:32:24] <rue_mohr> yea...
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770[10:32:50] <jelly> rue_mohr: nothing immediately obvious but seeing as you have dmo repos installed, it's possible a library from there is used and disliked by gimp
771[10:32:53] <rue_mohr> do you know if new new pcie cards work on really early pcie motherboards?
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773[10:33:11] <jelly> that's a TIAS if I've ever seen one
774[10:33:23] <jelly> !tias
775[10:33:23] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
776[10:33:27] <rue_mohr> jelly, maybe if I shuffle the order to get it to pull gimp from the main deb repo?
777[10:33:55] <jelly> rue_mohr: the order of what, repos? That does not affect choice of installation candidate.
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779[10:34:01] <jelly> by apt
780[10:34:06] <colo-work> rue_mohr, unlike with AGP, there's not been a change in the physical interface (that I'm aware of) with PEG
781[10:34:22] <rue_mohr> well, I could turn off the multimedia source for now
782[10:34:56] <rue_mohr> k, re pcie, it looked like they have make a number of changes, and I wasn't sure if I was safe buying a new card
783[10:35:07] <rue_mohr> I'd like a tripplehead if I can find a descent one
784[10:35:18] <rue_mohr> (not a gamer, so should be easy)
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788[10:36:37] <colo-work> "debsums: Error: symlink loop detected in path 'usr/share/doc/elinks/changelog.Debian.gz'. Please file a bug again elinks." *chuckle*
789[10:37:01] <rue_mohr> heh
790[10:37:16] <colo-work> rue_mohr, you should be able to get something from ATI/AMD that will be very OK for your use case cheaply
791[10:37:55] <jelly> rue_mohr: it porbably does not help, but I "solved" my triple head issue in the end by moving from a 2010 machine with nvidia to a second-hand 2014 haswell workstation, with 2xDP 1xVGA and intel gpu
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793[10:38:34] <jelly> rue_mohr: aided by $4 chinese DP-HDMI adapters
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795[10:39:34] <jelly> the "new" machine was around 120EUR, and capable of using the same DDR3 RAM as the old one
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799[10:43:39] <Haohmaru> i use an old-ish model of radeon and it's fine
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806[10:48:02] <rue_mohr> hmm can minidisplayport -> dvi adapt?...
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811[10:50:22] <rue_mohr> replaced-url
812[10:51:09] <rue_mohr> oh tommorow... today is black friday... I wonder...
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820[11:03:26] <MaxFrames> a lame question: near the end of the debian 10 installation I am asked to install additional items, the first item (checked by default) is "Debian desktop environment", then there is a list of window managers (gnome, xfce etc.)
821[11:03:57] <MaxFrames> none of these is selected. do I have to select one, or is "debian desktop enviroment" enough to have a gui?
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825[11:04:41] <SPF> MaxFrames: no, you don't need to select one
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827[11:05:40] <MaxFrames> I want to keep this system minimal but I do need to have a gui and I will need to have remote desktop capabilities (so I think vnc? or is there something more secure nowadays?)
828[11:06:12] <MaxFrames> on the old machine I was using xrdp (since all the rest of my enviroment is windows, including my workstation) but that is not a requirement
829[11:06:40] <jelly> MaxFrames: if you have just the "Debian desktop enviroment" selected, a DE will be installed. And it's Gnome. If you also select Gnome it's exactly the same thing.
830[11:06:51] <MaxFrames> got it
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841[11:10:33] <humbot> environment
842[11:11:21] <MaxFrames> typpo
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883[11:48:36] <amosbird> hello, can I install debian package on ubuntu?
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885[11:49:33] <towo^work> why not, if you break something, not our problem since here is no support for ubuntu
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887[11:50:41] <amosbird> ok
888[11:50:56] <cookie4700> why would you want do that amosbird?
889[11:51:09] <amosbird> well, it's not very related
890[11:51:15] <amosbird> libdrm-dev drops .a
891[11:51:23] <amosbird> I need to build a customized one with .a
892[11:51:31] <amosbird> I only know how to do that in debian
893[11:52:11] <amosbird> now I wish I was on gentoo...
894[11:52:30] <cookie4700> distro hopping at its best :)
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916[12:07:57] <astra> wondering is there a way to disable vpngate
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918[12:08:29] <astra> it just keeps showing up whenever i try connecting to my own private vpn service
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