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2 [00:00:17] <maqr> anyone know why apt-get source tells me "Picking 'dropbear' as source package instead of 'dropbear-initramfs'"? what exactly is "dropbear-initramfs" if not a package with source?
3 [00:00:17] <dob1> whislock, what you did at 8 ??
4 [00:00:33] <whislock> dob1: Yup.
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6 [00:01:13] <dob1> well, nice!
7 [00:01:44] <gyuma1etyr> oh you *wrote* an assembler, or you wrote in assembly?
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9 [00:01:50] <whislock> Yes.
10 [00:01:55] <dob1> the first or the second?
11 [00:01:56] <gyuma1etyr> (i didn't write a compiler myself lol)
12 [00:02:04] <whislock> Both.
13 [00:02:09] <gyuma1etyr> ho ho nice
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15 [00:02:23] <whislock> There wasn't an assembler for a C64. Writing in machine language was tedious. So I wrote an assembler.
16 [00:02:37] <dob1> at 8 ?
17 [00:02:38] <gyuma1etyr> reallly! nice!
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19 [00:02:55] <gyuma1etyr> dob1, yes but it was 8 in hexadecimal
20 [00:03:03] <gyuma1etyr> ;)
21 [00:03:18] <whislock> dob1: Yes. (0x8 is still 8. ;)
22 [00:03:26] <gyuma1etyr> Indeed, that was the joke ;)
23 [00:03:43] <whislock> Humor sometimes eludes me, sorry.
24 [00:03:55] <dob1> 8 in hex is still 8
25 [00:03:57] <dob1> yes!
26 [00:04:00] <gyuma1etyr> yes!
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28 [00:04:14] <dob1> whislock, you were like a little genius imho
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30 [00:04:35] <whislock> I had - and have - a singular interest. It was to the detriment of most other skills, believe me.
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41 [00:12:40] <f8e3> if i mount image foo.iso how come i can copy eg scp it, if its at the same time mounted and written to?
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43 [00:13:03] <f8e3> is there concurrency, thus garpabage even?
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46 [00:13:28] <ratrace> f8e3: you'll probably end up with a corrupt copy if you copy the image file while it's being written to
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98 [00:49:18] <thekla> Hi!
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102 [00:50:53] <crestfallen> hello the machine is not in front of me, but in virtualbox there are settings for video quality, and I'm wondering if there is an equivalent in kvm: (Instructions in virtualBox): "Step 2 - Enable PAE/NX”. Step 3 - Allocate Video memory and 3D acceleration Select Display > Video and set Video Memory to 128MB. This allows you have a good responsive desktop environment."
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106 [00:52:01] <cardace> #distrotube
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131 [01:03:44] <crestfallen> hi anyone answer my question above re: kvm and improvement of video virtualization?
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244 [02:27:40] <lf94> Hey! I'm looking to package libsdl2 2.0.6 (oldstable (stretch) currently has 2.0.5). Where in the packaging documentation should I start? The actual project itself has a debian/ directory pre-configured. I was able to build a package and install it with the problem of it not wanting to override the currently installed one.
245 [02:27:48] <lf94> (For that I used --force-all)
246 [02:28:13] <lf94> Second question is: what are the chances of it being accepted into oldstable? Or would it have to be submitted to backports?
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250 [02:31:11] <oiaohm> lf94: replaced-url
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252 [02:31:35] <lf94> Yeah. That's what I'm using
253 [02:31:40] <oiaohm> lf94: I don't know if LTS will be keeping the libsdl package.
254 [02:31:43] <lf94> I plan to update during the holidays
255 [02:31:46] <abrotman> !sdn
256 [02:31:46] <dpkg> replaced-url
257 [02:31:55] <lf94> Ah ok.
258 [02:31:59] <lf94> I guess I can distribute the package on its own then
259 [02:32:01] <lf94> :)
260 [02:32:18] <oiaohm> lf94: at this bellup is mainline and backports not accepting anything any more. Now LTS might.
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265 [02:32:34] <oiaohm> lf94: at this point it talk to the LTS group.
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267 [02:32:49] <lf94> Gotchya. I think it will be too much trouble for what it's worth.
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269 [02:33:00] <lf94> I'm probably one of the few thousand using stretch still...
270 [02:33:41] <oiaohm> lf94: please note LTS only give stretch until June 2022
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272 [02:34:07] <maqr> is there some way to get all build dependencies i need to build from source? ./configure fails because some things are missing, not sure if i need to manually install them or if there's a debian way of doing it
273 [02:35:02] <oiaohm> lf94: and then you move to extend LTS>
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277 [02:36:08] <lf94> oiaohm: ah
278 [02:36:24] <lf94> I mean ideally, it's nice to have people (myself included) support something as long as possible
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280 [02:36:54] <oiaohm> lf94: replaced-url
281 [02:37:14] <lf94> Even if I'm supporting them myself?
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283 [02:38:40] <abrotman> no, not if you support them yourself
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290 [02:41:00] <oiaohm> lf94: supporting yourself means you have no peer review that you have it right.
291 [02:41:49] <oiaohm> lf94: LTS stage you can possible submit the package you have made to be reviewed at no cost as long as it a package the still support.
292 [02:42:23] <abrotman> there's a #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net
293 [02:42:43] <lf94> Do you think contacting the maintainers, to update to a newer version, is worth it? I was able to build it locally no problem on stretch.
294 [02:42:51] <lf94> (It -> libsdl2 2.0.6)
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296 [02:44:02] <oiaohm> lf94: it can be worth it sometimes when they run a package review they can find hey you have X install file slightly wrong or something like that.
297 [02:44:24] <oiaohm> lf94: that might only show up later when you attempt to update the package again breaking a lot of stuff.
298 [02:44:52] <lf94> How do you normally contact maintainers? Just an email?
299 [02:45:04] <lf94> Ah. Maintainer: Debian SDL packages maintainers <pkg-sdl-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org>
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302 [02:45:13] <lf94> So I just send an email to this list?
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306 [02:46:08] <oiaohm> lf94: replaced-url
307 [02:46:21] <lf94> oiaohm: I mean the package maintainer :)
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309 [02:46:30] <abrotman> lf94: really, ask them .. we're not going to be much help
310 [02:46:38] <lf94> Ok :)
311 [02:46:42] <lf94> Thank you!
312 [02:47:20] <oiaohm> lf94: I was more thinkign with the LTS as you being the LTS support person and sending the package up for review.
313 [02:47:47] <oiaohm> So get extra support that you have not screwed something up that bites you in 6 or 8 months time.
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342 [03:10:27] <violentE> so I thought I had this issue resolved - I'm unable to resolve some domains but others are okay. I originally had an issue with dns after a fresh install but it turned out that I had to active ethernet connections and removing one solved the issue but I think I only made a work around. So basically the fix: putting "nameserver 8.8.8.8" into /etc/resolv.conf works but I can't figure out a long term solution to this
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344 [03:10:50] <violentE> *two
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347 [03:12:14] <jim> violentE, how do you configure your net?
348 [03:13:09] <violentE> I'm using ethernet if that's what your wondering
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350 [03:14:12] <jim> violentE, and do you use the /etc/network/interfaces file to configure it?
351 [03:14:24] <jim> or something else?
352 [03:14:56] <jim> also, could you show the output of: ls /sys/class/net
353 [03:15:05] <violentE> I'm unsure and yes one sec
354 [03:15:38] <jim> maybe your net was configured when you installed debian, and you didn't touch it after that
355 [03:15:44] <abrotman> does it have te same problem when not using your VPN?
356 [03:16:03] <jim> he has a vpn?
357 [03:16:21] <abrotman> based on his hostmask, I'd guess so
358 [03:16:25] <violentE> yes that correct but then I started messing with a bit because my vpn wasn't working but it did work after install until I tried to do connect the vpn
359 [03:16:45] <violentE> also /sys/class/net is a directory
360 [03:16:48] <jim> abrotman, oh okj
361 [03:17:02] <jim> violentE, yes
362 [03:17:14] <violentE> and yes I have a vpn, currently unable to connect to it, and while not connect can't ping the vpns domain
363 [03:17:43] <violentE> oh alright its: enp2s0f0 enp2s0f1 enp3s0 lo
364 [03:17:51] <jim> there's stuff in that dir, and I'm interested in seeing the listing of what that dir has (by some coincidence, they are also the names of your interfaces)
365 [03:18:03] <jim> you have three ethernet ports?
366 [03:18:08] <violentE> yes
367 [03:18:12] <jim> ok
368 [03:18:33] <violentE> it should be noted that one is unmanaged
369 [03:18:48] <violentE> it I switch it to managed=true stuff breaks
370 [03:18:50] <jim> yeah, I stuck a 4-port into a machine I have, so it has 5 total
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375 [03:20:02] <jim> violentE, can you run: dig @8.8.8.8 yahoo.com successfully?
376 [03:20:28] <violentE> yes
377 [03:20:42] <jim> ok, so you see the A record at least
378 [03:20:50] <jim> records that is
379 [03:21:06] <violentE> yes several
380 [03:21:27] <jim> ok, good so far...
381 [03:21:57] <jim> do you have nc installed? ( which nc returns something like /bin/nc)
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384 [03:22:26] <violentE> no I'm installing it now
385 [03:22:34] <violentE> ok
386 [03:22:42] <jim> package name is netcat
387 [03:23:07] <violentE> installed
388 [03:23:13] <jim> great...
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395 [03:24:39] <jim> abrotman, could his interfaces file have sensitive info in it?
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398 [03:25:04] <jim> passwords and such
399 [03:25:13] <violentE> why would it
400 [03:25:27] <jim> well take a look at it and see
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403 [03:26:40] <violentE> /etc/network/interfaces right? its good
404 [03:26:43] <jim> I was thinking that because you have a vpn, the credentials for it could be in the interfaces file, in which case you shouldn't pastebin it
405 [03:26:57] <jim> we'd have to figure something else out
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410 [03:28:27] <jim> violentE, yeah, ok, you're good with sharing it? if so, run this: cat /etc/network/interfaces | nc termbin.com 9999
411 [03:29:15] <jim> the nc will show a link, that's the pastebin with the interfaces file
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413 [03:29:36] <abrotman> doubtful
414 [03:29:58] <violentE> is termbin indexed
415 [03:30:15] <jim> I have no idea :)
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417 [03:31:34] <violentE> eh w.e here you go - replaced-url
418 [03:31:38] <violentE> that is p cool thought
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420 [03:32:34] <violentE> sorry - replaced-url
421 [03:32:56] <mrcrypto08> Can anyone tell me the difference between kali and Debian?🙄🙄
422 [03:34:00] <jim> mrcrypto08, debian is the "parent" to dists like kali, ubuntu, knoppix, others
423 [03:34:01] <abrotman> mrcrypto08: ask the Kali channel
424 [03:34:28] <abrotman> (they would know how they've changed it, we wouldn't)
425 [03:34:48] <mrcrypto08> Okay
426 [03:35:17] <jim> mrcrypto08, generally speaking, I've found debian to be the most stable, also, package mirrors are much faster (given one's practically on top of me)
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428 [03:36:33] <mrcrypto08> I am studying pentestin and my primary os is kali but someone on freenode channel told me to not to use kali as your primary os
429 [03:36:34] <jim> many things in kali just don't work when you -install- it, instead, you should just boot it as a usb boot
430 [03:37:06] <jim> yeah, kali doesn't work for some things
431 [03:37:36] <mrcrypto08> Okay
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434 [03:38:19] <mrcrypto08> I try to use kali with virtual box my i am not able to run any os on virtual box properly
435 [03:38:30] <jim> it might be possible to build the pentesting tools from kali on debian, if you can get source packages... this is a windy, twisty journey though
436 [03:38:59] <mrcrypto08> I have 5th gen i5 with 4 gb ram but I don't know why virtual box not run smoothly
437 [03:39:08] <Logan2000> You can't run hacking tools that need hardware access very efficiently with cloud computing like virtualbox
438 [03:39:24] <violentE> 4gb ram? eh
439 [03:39:31] <Logan2000> So regardless, it does not matter too much for all practical purposes, does it?
440 [03:39:35] <grimR_> have you tried parrot linux?
441 [03:39:44] <mrcrypto08> No
442 [03:39:51] <jim> 4gb ram is on the low side, but it will work
443 [03:39:52] <violentE> thats how big you vbox should be to be functional, maybe running as usb *would*be better
444 [03:39:53] <grimR_> it's great. It is designed to be a daily driver
445 [03:39:57] <grimR_> or run live
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447 [03:40:06] <grimR_> it's all I use and you will love it.
448 [03:40:11] <violentE> yeah but this is kali its bloated
449 [03:40:27] <grimR_> kali is bloated. Parrot is leaner and great on resources
450 [03:40:44] <violentE> parrot imo is bloated too :p
451 [03:40:49] <violentE> waay to many tools
452 [03:40:55] <jim> violentE, ok, the paste shows that one of your ethernets will be used to pull dhcp
453 [03:40:58] <grimR_> I only use 400megs ram on it
454 [03:41:06] <grimR_> unless running extra resource intensive stuff
455 [03:41:27] <grimR_> it is definitely much faster than kali... acording to most who try it. I have no delay w/anything
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457 [03:41:47] <violentE> jim yes I'm using only one of the ethernet ports atm
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459 [03:41:51] <mrcrypto08> Kali is also very fast
460 [03:42:04] <grimR_> your experience of course may vary but I use i3 intel processor 2.1GHZ 4gigs ram. and have no issues.
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462 [03:42:12] <violentE> kali isn't fast
463 [03:42:27] <jim> violentE, what you can do, is install a package named resolvconf which adds new syntax possibilities to /etc/network/interfaces, that allow you to set a dns server
464 [03:42:28] <grimR_> ya I never heard anyone say kali was fast before.
465 [03:42:33] <violentE> actually not true if you gut it and run as usb -- super fast
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467 [03:42:54] <violentE> jim but I already installed that, should I reinstall?
468 [03:43:09] <jim> oh you did...
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470 [03:43:35] <jim> ok, it's active, and you can add lines that specify the name server
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472 [03:43:59] <abrotman> violentE: if you don't set your DNS to 8.8.8.8, which ones does it give you? The ones from your VPN provider, or your ISP?
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474 [03:44:27] <violentE> this fixes is abrotman but I want to actually fix it not have a work around
475 [03:44:38] <mrcrypto08> My hard disk is going to die does that effect virtual box?🙄🙄
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477 [03:45:09] <abrotman> it affects everything
478 [03:45:11] <violentE> sorry just read that last part, what
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481 [03:45:20] <mrcrypto08> When I start my system it shows an error that your harddisk is going to die
482 [03:45:23] <abrotman> violentE: you can set a DNS server in your dns client configuration
483 [03:45:39] <abrotman> mrcrypto08: and we don't support Kali here
484 [03:46:38] <mrcrypto08> I am not supporting kali i am just asking which os is better for a penetration testing prospective
485 [03:47:01] <jim> I dunno what to tell you about that
486 [03:47:08] <abrotman> it's about the tools, not the OS ..
487 [03:47:22] <violentE> and your talking about something other than adding 8.8.8.8 to /etc/resolv.conf
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489 [03:47:47] <mrcrypto08> But we can run the tools from the os
490 [03:48:00] <jim> debian is the (much) more stable platform, if you can compile the tools there, that would be a better choice
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492 [03:48:34] <mrcrypto08> Okay thanks i will try
493 [03:49:19] <Logan2000> Mrcrypto, why don't you get a new HDD to use as your system drive regardless...
494 [03:49:36] <jim> violentE, you put it in /etc/network/interfaces under the iface declaration (I forgot the exact syntax, it might be (tab or indent)dns-nameserver 1.2.3.4
495 [03:49:46] <Logan2000> Unless you are trying to conduct a data loss science experiment
496 [03:50:13] <grimR_> when I have a dying hard drive I just break out one of my old broken laptops and switch hard drives. I don't know if this is an option for you. But it is easy to just throw another hard drive in autodetected etc.
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501 [03:53:38] <Logan2000> grime,
502 [03:53:51] <violentE> abrotman, ok thats set but what are you trying to see?
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504 [03:54:19] <Logan2000> *grimr agreed, especially for a system hard disk with errors. It's too easy to swap, and not worth the risk
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507 [03:56:26] <violentE> oh
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509 [03:57:38] <violentE> ok so my /etc/network/interfaces has uses enp3sf0 but I'm using enp2s0f1
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513 [04:01:34] <violentE> eh changed it nothing happened
514 [04:01:47] <violentE> or changed I should say
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520 [04:12:33] <violentE> ok, I think I'm back to the beginning where I orginally started. I plugged the ethernet port back into the port that was originally having a problem, and restarted the network manager and but back what I changed in /etc/network/interfaces
521 [04:12:45] <violentE> I isn't able to resolve any domains now
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530 [04:21:51] <derpadmin> <violentE>
531 [04:21:54] <derpadmin> <violentE>
532 [04:22:04] <derpadmin> violentE can you ping 8.8.8.8 ?
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534 [04:23:15] <violentE> derpadmin, yes but I might have mucked it up further I can no long resolve google.com
535 [04:23:45] <violentE> oh and now I have two wired connections for one ethernet port when I restart network-manager
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543 [04:26:29] <derpadmin> the goal is simply resolving?
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545 [04:26:45] <violentE> essentially yes
546 [04:27:00] <derpadmin> what is the command "ip a" gives you interface wise?
547 [04:28:37] <violentE> enp2s0f0 enp2s0f1 enp3s0 and lo
548 [04:28:42] <sponix> derpadmin: ip addr
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550 [04:29:02] <derpadmin> so you have 3 interfaces?
551 [04:29:09] <violentE> yes
552 [04:29:21] <derpadmin> which one do you want to use?
553 [04:29:40] <derpadmin> sponix : be my guess to type 3 extra letters
554 [04:29:46] <derpadmin> :)
555 [04:29:48] <violentE> but if should be noted that technically only in the network manager there are 4
556 [04:30:07] <violentE> *it
557 [04:31:11] <derpadmin> which is the one you want to use?
558 [04:31:35] <derpadmin> (3 interfaces is awesome)
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560 [04:32:13] <violentE> well enp3s0 is the one in use and the one I installed on so lets just go with that
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562 [04:32:24] <violentE> but using that one means I can't ping anything
563 [04:32:40] <violentE> not even my router
564 [04:32:40] <derpadmin> not even 8.8.8.8 ?
565 [04:32:47] <violentE> not even 8.8.8.8
566 [04:33:02] <derpadmin> is ip addr show the interface as UP?
567 [04:33:20] <violentE> yes
568 [04:33:40] <derpadmin> okay, edit /etc/network/interfaces
569 [04:33:41] <karlpinc> And the other interfaces are down?
570 [04:33:46] <derpadmin> add :
571 [04:34:02] <derpadmin> auto enp3s0
572 [04:34:10] <derpadmin> allow-hotplug enp3s0
573 [04:34:10] <violentE> lol no all are up
574 [04:34:36] <derpadmin> you have a cable in each?
575 [04:35:14] <violentE> replaced-url
576 [04:35:20] <karlpinc> Well, if your default route is through an interface that is not, ultimately, connected to the net your pings won't go anywhere.
577 [04:35:26] <violentE> no only one cable in the one
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579 [04:36:31] <derpadmin> iface enp3s0 inet dhcp
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581 [04:36:35] <violentE> but even when I stop and then start network-manager it does this. I'd think they'd start in a - DOWN - state
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583 [04:37:02] <derpadmin> systemctl restart networking.service
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585 [04:37:50] <derpadmin> cant see your post at replaced-url
586 [04:38:03] <violentE> "Job for networking.service failed because the control process exited with error code"
587 [04:38:29] <sponix> derpadmin: hmm, well pretty sure I found that from the "man ip" ... And it does work
588 [04:38:49] <violentE> oh I can use bpaste was just using that cos jim said to use it
589 [04:38:49] <sponix> derpadmin: after typing ifconfig -a a half dozen times lol
590 [04:38:50] <derpadmin> you are right sponix
591 [04:38:57] <derpadmin> I am just lazy
592 [04:39:12] <derpadmin> ip a works
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594 [04:40:26] <violentE> oh right, forgot I don't have a connection anymore scratch pasting logs
595 [04:40:44] <violentE> but the point is that thats what I have derpadmin
596 [04:40:57] <violentE> iface enp3s0 inet dhcp - bit
597 [04:41:00] <derpadmin> and what "arp -a gives you?"
598 [04:41:12] <derpadmin> and what "arp -a" gives you?
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600 [04:41:39] <derpadmin> do you have the mac address and the ip of the router in there?
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602 [04:42:32] <violentE> ip yes, mac address no
603 [04:42:59] <derpadmin> should give you something like this :
604 [04:42:59] <derpadmin> root@homebase:~# arp -a
605 [04:42:59] <derpadmin> ? (10.10.10.1) at 00:0d:b9:53:c8:1a [ether] on enp2s0
606 [04:43:15] <violentE> oh
607 [04:43:26] <violentE> I have <incomplete> where the mac address should be
608 [04:43:42] <derpadmin> ok, so the problem is below the layer 3
609 [04:43:46] <derpadmin> it is now layer2
610 [04:43:57] <violentE> erp wait a sec
611 [04:44:23] <violentE> lol nevermind
612 [04:44:42] <derpadmin> ok, let's start with the basics
613 [04:44:47] <derpadmin> is the cable working
614 [04:44:50] <violentE> I had stopped network-manager but apparently that doesn't matter
615 [04:45:04] <derpadmin> does the router is a dhcp server?
616 [04:45:20] <derpadmin> is the router a dhcp server?
617 [04:45:43] <derpadmin> you don't need network-manager
618 [04:45:53] <derpadmin> did you restarted networking service?
619 [04:46:19] <derpadmin> and do you have :
620 [04:46:20] <derpadmin> auto enp3s0
621 [04:46:22] <violentE> cable works
622 [04:46:28] <derpadmin> allow-hotplug enp3s0
623 [04:46:30] <derpadmin> and
624 [04:46:34] <violentE> router is not dhcp server
625 [04:46:40] <derpadmin> iface enp3s0 inet dhcp
626 [04:46:48] <violentE> I can't restart network.service
627 [04:46:48] <derpadmin> router is not a dhcp server?
628 [04:47:00] <derpadmin> did you set an ip manually?
629 [04:47:27] <violentE> oh guess I don't know what dhcp server is
630 [04:47:28] <derpadmin> where you root when you tried to restart network.service
631 [04:47:28] <violentE> no
632 [04:47:34] <violentE> yes
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634 [04:47:47] <derpadmin> dhcp is the one that give you an ip
635 [04:48:01] <derpadmin> if you get ip automatically, router is a dhcp server
636 [04:48:17] <violentE> I think I was just trying to say that in the way of dhcp I didn't set anything up particularly
637 [04:48:25] <violentE> ok
638 [04:48:49] <derpadmin> it is pretty standard
639 [04:49:19] <derpadmin> does systemctl status network.service give a hing
640 [04:49:25] <derpadmin> hint*
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642 [04:49:43] <derpadmin> usually journalctl and another command to inspect the logs
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644 [04:50:00] <violentE> <status>
645 [04:50:11] <violentE> networking.service - Raise netwrok interfaces
646 [04:50:15] <violentE> Loade ...
647 [04:50:28] <violentE> Active: failed (result: exit code)
648 [04:50:45] <violentE> Process: 32595
649 [04:51:22] <violentE> .. than a configuration isues please read the section on submitting buts on either out web apage at ...
650 [04:51:28] <violentE> exiting
651 [04:51:45] <violentE> netwroking.servic: Main process exit code-exited, status=1/FAILURE
652 [04:51:55] <violentE> Faile to start Raise netwrok interfaces
653 [04:51:58] <violentE> </status>
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655 [04:52:15] <derpadmin> can you paste your /etc/network/interfaces to pastebin
656 [04:52:23] <derpadmin> seems to be a config issue
657 [04:52:33] <violentE> I'm affraid I can no longer make a new past
658 [04:52:36] <violentE> *pate
659 [04:52:39] <violentE> **paste
660 [04:53:15] <violentE> if you want to dare look use http then whats on the termbin is current
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662 [04:53:25] <derpadmin> ok... fair... sure
663 [04:53:48] <derpadmin> FEHLER 404 - Nicht gefunden!
664 [04:54:21] <violentE> I don't speak ^^ that but I take it 404'd
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667 [04:54:50] <derpadmin> it is
668 [04:54:57] <violentE> fuck let me type it
669 [04:55:02] <derpadmin> ok
670 [04:55:04] <derpadmin> sorry
671 [04:55:30] <violentE> </etc/network/interfaces>
672 [04:55:44] <violentE> source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*
673 [04:55:49] <violentE> auto lo
674 [04:55:54] <violentE> iface lo inet loopback
675 [04:56:06] <violentE> allow-hotplug enp3s0
676 [04:56:08] <Kobaz> trying to (xorg) startx -- :2 for a second session... and getting (EE) parse_vt_settings: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (Permission denied)
677 [04:56:15] <violentE> iface enp3s0 inet dhcp
678 [04:56:26] <violentE> </etc/network/interfaces>
679 [04:56:33] <Kobaz> Xwrapper has allowed_users=anybody
680 [04:56:34] <derpadmin> auto enp3s0 is missing
681 [04:56:45] <violentE> oh
682 [04:56:54] <violentE> is that just a line by its self?
683 [04:56:55] <derpadmin> on top of allow-hotplug enp3s0
684 [04:57:01] <derpadmin> yes
685 [04:57:01] <violentE> before allow-hotplug
686 [04:57:03] <violentE> oh
687 [04:57:06] <derpadmin> on it's own line
688 [04:57:12] <derpadmin> then
689 [04:57:21] <derpadmin> sudo systemctl restart networking.service
690 [04:58:14] <violentE> still nado :/
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692 [04:58:35] <derpadmin> ping 8.8.8.8 ?
693 [04:58:39] <derpadmin> arp -an
694 [04:58:47] <violentE> nope
695 [04:58:59] <derpadmin> did restart networking.service spitted an error?
696 [04:59:35] <violentE> same as last - failed cos control process exited with error code
697 [04:59:42] <violentE> and arp -a is still the same
698 [04:59:43] <derpadmin> can you stop network-manager
699 [05:00:00] <derpadmin> and try to restart networking.service again
700 [05:00:06] <violentE> yup
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702 [05:01:03] <violentE> oh
703 [05:01:15] <violentE> I was able to stop networking.service now
704 [05:01:22] <derpadmin> good
705 [05:01:25] <derpadmin> start it
706 [05:01:34] <derpadmin> ping 8.8.8.8
707 [05:01:36] <violentE> and now I have an error
708 [05:01:36] <derpadmin> arp -an
709 [05:01:40] <derpadmin> ffuu
710 [05:01:51] <derpadmin> any files in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ ?
711 [05:02:17] <violentE> setup
712 [05:02:25] <derpadmin> delete it
713 [05:02:36] <derpadmin> and try to restart networking.service
714 [05:02:41] <derpadmin> (or move it)
715 [05:02:47] <violentE> noice
716 [05:02:52] <violentE> it started
717 [05:02:56] <derpadmin> ping 8.8.8.8
718 [05:03:01] <violentE> no ping though
719 [05:03:05] <derpadmin> arp -an
720 [05:03:11] <violentE> still destination unreachable
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722 [05:03:37] <violentE> arp -a is still the same
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724 [05:03:52] <derpadmin> ip a
725 [05:04:08] <derpadmin> shows enp3s0 UP and the rest down?<
726 [05:04:16] <violentE> no all are up
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728 [05:04:31] <derpadmin> can you :
729 [05:04:56] <derpadmin> dhclient -i enp3s0
730 [05:05:04] <derpadmin> to try to get an ip...
731 [05:06:39] <derpadmin> is the cable really in enp3s0 ???
732 [05:06:41] <derpadmin> :P
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735 [05:08:15] <violentE> fuuuuu
736 [05:08:29] <violentE> your not gonna like this
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738 [05:08:37] <derpadmin> hahahaha
739 [05:08:41] <derpadmin> I might, try me
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741 [05:08:49] <violentE> I took the cable out to make sure that it worked, and forgot to plug it back it
742 [05:08:50] <violentE> *in
743 [05:08:57] <derpadmin> hahahaha
744 [05:09:01] <violentE> um but it still doesn't work
745 [05:09:10] <Kobaz> sooooo, trying to (xorg) startx -- :2 for a second session... and getting (EE) parse_vt_settings: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (Permission denied)
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747 [05:09:25] <derpadmin> did you tried it to every ethernet ports?
748 [05:09:44] <derpadmin> and restart networking.service between each attempt?
749 [05:09:48] <derpadmin> and ping 8.8.8.8
750 [05:10:10] <violentE> yes we can switch to a diff one and have half the problems but its skerting around the issue you'll see one sec
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752 [05:10:34] <derpadmin> just to make sure we have the right port...
753 [05:11:30] <derpadmin> violentE : we configured exactly one interface
754 [05:11:55] <derpadmin> if it works in another port, it means we were not plugged into enp3s0
755 [05:11:59] <violentE> yeah and so now when we switch that stuff in interfaces will be wrong
756 [05:12:21] <derpadmin> if we have the right port, yes
757 [05:12:27] <derpadmin> dont change the config
758 [05:12:32] <violentE> ok
759 [05:12:36] <derpadmin> just try it in every port
760 [05:12:45] <violentE> ok I restarted networking.service
761 [05:13:13] <derpadmin> no joy?
762 [05:13:23] <violentE> now I have in ip a: all are up but two have inet.. stuff
763 [05:13:38] <violentE> and I can ping
764 [05:13:38] <derpadmin> aahh
765 [05:13:47] <violentE> yeah idk I really think I fucked meh shit
766 [05:13:50] <derpadmin> enp3s0 have an ip ?
767 [05:13:57] <violentE> worried your goin to tell me to reinstall
768 [05:13:58] <derpadmin> do you have a bridge interface???
769 [05:14:02] <derpadmin> br0
770 [05:14:08] <derpadmin> or something similar
771 [05:14:09] <violentE> yes it does
772 [05:14:14] <derpadmin> aahh
773 [05:14:15] <derpadmin> why
774 [05:14:20] <violentE> wait what
775 [05:14:31] <violentE> I don't have br0
776 [05:14:35] <derpadmin> ok
777 [05:14:50] <derpadmin> so 2 interfaces have an ip now?
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779 [05:14:56] <violentE> yes
780 [05:14:58] <derpadmin> with a single cable plugged in???
781 [05:15:02] <violentE> yes
782 [05:15:07] <derpadmin> same ip?
783 [05:15:21] <violentE> no
784 [05:15:36] <derpadmin> same subnet? eg : 192.168.1.x
785 [05:15:49] <violentE> one is something I recognize 192... etc and the other which is on enp3s0 is 169 and is nothing I have
786 [05:15:49] <derpadmin> where x can be 1 to 254
787 [05:15:56] <derpadmin> ah
788 [05:16:03] <derpadmin> 169 is an apipa address
789 [05:16:13] <derpadmin> an address he put when he cannot get an address
790 [05:16:18] <derpadmin> autoconf
791 [05:16:22] <derpadmin> of something like that
792 [05:16:27] <whislock> 169.254.0.0/16
793 [05:16:34] <violentE> oh
794 [05:16:35] <whislock> APIPA. Automatic Private Internet Protocol Address.
795 [05:16:37] <derpadmin> yup, thanks ehislock
796 [05:16:41] <derpadmin> yup, thanks whislock
797 [05:16:54] <derpadmin> so... <violentE>
798 [05:17:13] <derpadmin> the port where you are plugged is in fact... enp3s0
799 [05:17:24] <derpadmin> LABLE IT
800 [05:17:29] <derpadmin> LABEL IT
801 [05:17:30] <derpadmin> :P
802 [05:17:31] <derpadmin> lol
803 [05:17:34] <violentE> lol but that doesn't make sense
804 [05:17:42] <violentE> ok on my motherboard
805 [05:17:43] <derpadmin> you got an ip...
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807 [05:17:51] <derpadmin> it is the only cable...
808 [05:18:07] <derpadmin> it is the only explanation I see
809 [05:18:10] <violentE> I have two etherport next to each other - these belong to a card I have in there
810 [05:18:23] <violentE> then theres the one directly connected to the mother board
811 [05:18:40] <violentE> It only makes sense that enp3s0 is the motherboard one
812 [05:19:12] <violentE> because enp2s0f0/1 are the same likeness
813 [05:19:31] <violentE> idk I don't really know a lot about this but thats what my thinking is
814 [05:19:54] <derpadmin> I would agree with you
815 [05:20:37] <violentE> but the one that is in use rn is the one on the of the two on the card
816 [05:20:42] <derpadmin> enp2s0f0 enp2s0f1 enp3s0
817 [05:20:46] <derpadmin> wait
818 [05:20:51] <derpadmin> I may know
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821 [05:22:27] <derpadmin> is the mac address of enp3s0 hardcoded here : /etc/udev/rules.d/70-local-persistent-net.rules
822 [05:23:42] <derpadmin> or any interfaces for that matter
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824 [05:25:05] <violentE> eh I don't have that file
825 [05:25:10] <derpadmin> ok, good
826 [05:26:05] <derpadmin> does ls -la /sys/class/net
827 [05:26:46] <violentE> yes that are 4 interfaces
828 [05:26:56] <violentE> all links
829 [05:27:13] <derpadmin> gives pci numbers (000:00/000:00:XX.X..........) similar for your 2 enp2s0f interfaces?
830 [05:27:26] <derpadmin> this is the vendor number
831 [05:27:44] <derpadmin> enp2s0f should have similar verdor
832 [05:27:51] <derpadmin> and enp3s0 a different one
833 [05:28:10] <violentE> yes the two are the same
834 [05:28:18] <violentE> enp3 is different
835 [05:28:23] <derpadmin> ok
836 [05:28:25] <violentE> well the two are EXACTLY the same
837 [05:28:31] <derpadmin> yup
838 [05:29:06] <derpadmin> there is only one cable plugged in the ethernet port of the motherboard now right?
839 [05:29:06] <violentE> of by 00000/000000/000000/2:00.x
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841 [05:30:08] <violentE> there is only cable plugged in and that one is plugged into a card on the motherboard yes
842 [05:30:28] <derpadmin> on the card, yes sorry
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844 [05:30:53] <derpadmin> which interface have a 192.x.x.x ip ?
845 [05:31:03] <derpadmin> ip a
846 [05:31:14] <violentE> enp2s0f1
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849 [05:32:08] <derpadmin> ok... if network manager is off... and only enp3s0 is defined.... who the fuck enp2s0f1 got an ip
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851 [05:32:35] <violentE> oh network-manager is no long off
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853 [05:33:43] <derpadmin> ah
854 [05:33:52] <derpadmin> stop it
855 [05:33:54] <derpadmin> and also
856 [05:34:02] <derpadmin> systemctl stop systemd-networkd.service
857 [05:34:03] <violentE> done
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859 [05:34:20] <violentE> and done
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861 [05:34:28] <derpadmin> and restart networking.service
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863 [05:35:00] <derpadmin> do you still have a 192.x.x.x ip on enp2s0f1?
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865 [05:35:27] <violentE> still working on starting it :o
866 [05:35:43] <violentE> ok
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869 [05:35:58] <violentE> yes and now enp3s0 doesn't have an ip
870 [05:36:07] <derpadmin> good
871 [05:36:19] <derpadmin> plug the cable back to the motherboard port
872 [05:36:27] <derpadmin> and restart networking.service
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874 [05:36:47] <derpadmin> ip a
875 [05:36:52] <derpadmin> ping 8.8.8.8
876 [05:36:54] <derpadmin> arp -an
877 [05:37:41] <violentE> ip a: both enp2sf1 and enp3s0 have ips
878 [05:37:52] <violentE> can ping thought
879 [05:37:57] <derpadmin> which one have the 192 ip ?
880 [05:38:11] <violentE> and I have stuff
881 [05:38:13] <violentE> mmm wait
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883 [05:38:28] <violentE> I have mac for one of them
884 [05:38:35] <derpadmin> yes
885 [05:38:36] <violentE> for arp -a that is
886 [05:38:39] <derpadmin> your router
887 [05:38:43] <derpadmin> good
888 [05:38:45] <violentE> ok
889 [05:38:57] <pie3> is it possible to send email to someone without using PGP key
890 [05:38:59] <derpadmin> I think we are here
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892 [05:39:26] <violentE> AND I can ping google.com
893 [05:39:30] <derpadmin> pie3 : eeerr yes... I think you may want to rephrase that
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895 [05:39:43] <derpadmin> violentE : YES WE CAN!
896 [05:39:53] <violentE> lol but
897 [05:39:55] <violentE> but
898 [05:39:57] <derpadmin> can you paste me your ip a now
899 [05:40:01] <derpadmin> on pastebin
900 [05:40:04] <violentE> ya
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902 [05:41:14] <derpadmin> Penix is the mix of a phoenix and a penis
903 [05:41:41] <derpadmin> hideous creature
904 [05:41:57] <violentE> I pmd it to you so it wont be on the record foreva
905 [05:42:03] <derpadmin> ok
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952 [06:12:27] <DJDan> can you go from debian 8.5 direct to buster 10 without going to 9 first?
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954 [06:13:27] <dondelelcaro> DJDan: better to go to 9 first
955 [06:13:28] <dvs> nope
956 [06:13:29] <DJDan> i mean from debian 9.5 to buster
957 [06:13:43] <dvs> still nope
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959 [06:14:31] <DJDan> why cant u go debian 9.5 to buster 10
960 [06:14:34] <DJDan> shouldnt that work
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962 [06:15:06] <dvs> DJDan, the release notes recommends upgrading to the latest 9 before upgrading to 10
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964 [06:15:53] <DJDan> yeah so if im on 9.5 i just do apt-get update then apt-dist upgrade ?
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966 [06:16:20] <dvs> DJDan, yes and then change your sources to 10
967 [06:16:38] <dvs> not before
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976 [06:25:53] <DJDan> dvs: what do you mean, when do i change the sources apt-get update then change then apt-dist
977 [06:26:57] <dvs> DJDan, you have to do an apt update and apt dist-upgrad BEFORE you change the sources too.
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980 [06:27:54] <DJDan> dvs: oh so apt-get update, apt-get upgrade then change sources then apt-fullupgrade. got it....
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982 [06:28:03] <hk239> hello, is it possible to somehow organize/filter fonts so that fewer would appear in the dropmenus? For an example, while it might be nice to have certain fonts so that they can be rendered on websites, it would be nice if they wouldn't appear in the font list
983 [06:28:28] <dvs> DJDan, both an upgrade and then dist-upgrader after the source change.
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986 [06:28:57] <hk239> since it's kind of tedious to filter through a bunch of non-latin scripts when looking for an aesthetic choice of latin script
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988 [06:29:04] <DJDan> dvs: apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, change sources, apt-upgrade, apt-fullupgrade
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990 [06:29:14] <dvs> yes
991 [06:29:32] <dvs> oh, you have to do an update after the source change
992 [06:29:43] <DJDan> does upgrading keep everything thats running or installed
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996 [06:30:02] <DJDan> apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, change sources, apt-get update, apt-upgrade, apt-fullupgrade
997 [06:30:28] <dvs> DJDan, it will stop individual packages when they are upgraded.
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999 [06:31:11] <DJDan> but it will still keep all files, then restart apache or whatever else
1000 [06:31:23] <DJDan> that was previously loaded
1001 [06:31:55] <dvs> DJDan, yes but it will ask you if it should replace each config file. Just say no when that prompt comes up.
1002 [06:32:25] <hk239> any ideas about this?
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1097 [08:07:08] <DJDan> dvs: i upgraded the debian vps.but now i cant ssh via the ssh terinal command only there console
1098 [08:07:12] <DJDan> terminal
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1100 [08:07:26] <DJDan> why did i loose ssh access
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1102 [08:07:56] <DJDan> only works through there control panel qemu program not via ssh directly
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1104 [08:09:25] <DJDan> dvs: did upgrading loose the ssh server service or something
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1152 [08:48:35] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys ya here
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1174 [09:03:08] <annadane> Eryn_1983_FL, just try asking your question and if anyone's awake maybe they'll answer
1175 [09:03:12] <annadane> or try a mailing list
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1223 [09:36:46] <ratrace> annadane: I guess that was the question :)
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1254 [09:54:23] <Stein> Are you guys using weechat? lol
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1274 [10:10:47] <ratrace> No. lol
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1314 [10:38:58] <oxek> is there a manpage for the easy-rsa package?
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1372 [11:14:09] <GWM> Hello, I got an error with a Debian machine becoming unavailable/hung and requiring a hard reboot, /var/log/system only shows "^@^@^@" repeating forever, where should I look for more information?
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1375 [11:16:56] <ratrace> GWM: sounds like filesystem corruption
1376 [11:17:27] <GWM> ratrace, base fs is on raid1 ext4 and looks good, zfs reports no errors
1377 [11:18:06] <ratrace> GWM: wait, how are zfs and raid1 ext4 related then here
1378 [11:18:25] <GWM> zfs is for VM storage on the box
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1380 [11:18:33] <ratrace> and more importantly, which of those is storing /var/log/syslog
1381 [11:18:36] <GWM> and / is on raid1 ssd
1382 [11:19:03] <GWM> I mean, I guess I could have some silent ext4 corruption?
1383 [11:19:15] <ratrace> of course. unlike zfs, ext4 wouldn't be aware of it
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1385 [11:20:22] <GWM> Anymore ways I could find out what's going on?
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1387 [11:20:51] <ratrace> you could try e2fsck with -c
1388 [11:21:22] <GWM> I can't do that while the system is live right?
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1390 [11:21:53] <GWM> has to be done from tmpfs?
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1392 [11:22:18] <ratrace> funnily, I rebooted my debian workstation for 10.2 update yesterday, and I had at least one file corrupt like that. ext4 on ssd. migrating that setup to a hdd zfs mirror now
1393 [11:22:33] <ratrace> GWM: no I think you'll need a rescue/live env to do that for the rootfs
1394 [11:23:02] <GWM> I think I'm going to migrate the rootfs to ZFS
1395 [11:23:23] <ratrace> yeah. that's what I'm doing right now
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1397 [11:24:11] <ratrace> wanted to do it earlier, get me a nice pair of 1TB SSDs for that mirror, but this incident forced me to do it sooner, and I'll use a pair of HDDs temporarily until I get some SSDs
1398 [11:24:42] <GWM> the fans turn off the computer while it gets into this hung state though
1399 [11:24:51] <GWM> so I'm not 100% sure it's disk corruption causing it
1400 [11:25:01] <GWM> but that there may be some as a side effect
1401 [11:25:21] <ratrace> true it could be the motherboard or RAM, but I'd start checking the disks first as those are usually most likely to fail
1402 [11:26:30] <ratrace> GWM: btw since that's raid1, is it hardware or mdadm raid? if mdadm, any hints of problems in dmesg?
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1405 [11:28:17] <GWM> ratrace, hw
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1412 [11:33:35] <ratrace> GWM: then that's another possible cause of corruption
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1423 [11:41:16] <ratrace> Can someone help me understand this warning? It's... mind boggling. It warns there may not be cryptsetup bins in initramfs, and then suggests UN-installing cryptsetup-initramfs (which contain the things it warns may not be present)...... WTH..... meanwhile of course all the tools are present and working...
1424 [11:41:21] <ratrace> replaced-url
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1432 [11:44:36] <ratrace> It's basically telling me: "WARNING: your computer may work just fine without some the tools you've installed, if that's on purpse then uninstall them!" ehhhh?
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1434 [11:44:51] <JPT> No, that's not what it's telling.
1435 [11:45:08] <ratrace> then what is it telling me?
1436 [11:45:11] <JPT> It's telling you that seom crypto components may NOT be present in your initramfs.
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1438 [11:45:27] <JPT> So if you NEED these components, you want to fix your configuration
1439 [11:45:35] <ratrace> JPT: doesn't say "some" -- that's why it's confusing
1440 [11:45:41] <JPT> If you do NOT need these components, THEN you may uninstall that package it mentioned.
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1442 [11:46:01] <ratrace> JPT: no, read again, it says if that's on purpose, I may want to UNINSTALL (UN-install) the package that brings those very tools in
1443 [11:46:25] <ratrace> the warning is total mindfuq
1444 [11:46:28] <JPT> Yes, because if you do not include cryptsetup in your initramfs, you might aswell uninstall the cryptsetup hook package
1445 [11:47:07] <ratrace> JPT: include how tho? they ARE included. crypttab is correct, it works, initramfs contains the tools. and yet it warns me they're missing and if that's on purpose, I should uninstall the package that brings them...
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1449 [11:47:52] <JPT> The initramfs you checked in that pastebin does not contain cryptsetup.
1450 [11:48:29] <JPT> If your / is encrypted, you will need that in your initramfs to decrypt / during boot
1451 [11:48:50] <ratrace> oh ffs wrong copypasta
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1459 [11:51:00] <ratrace> oh I see what happened here... that script it stupid as hell... I changed the mapper name and now it doesn't see the _current_ rootfs mapper in crypttab and it therefore refuses to put cryptsetup into initramfs.... because it THINKS rootfs is not encrypted, while it is.
1460 [11:51:26] <ratrace> if I revert the name in cryttab to the one _currently_ in use, there's no warning, cryptsetup is installed. mind blown.
1461 [11:51:48] <JPT> Oh, i guess that explains everything then. :)
1462 [11:53:22] <ratrace> that's very..... moronic of it. if I installed cryptsetup-initramfs and I have crypttab, then don't assume I don't want it in initramfs.... I don't even!
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1472 [11:57:03] <ratrace> now I can't change the mapper name without doing the whole reboot to rescue + chroot dance.
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1555 [12:57:23] <jubo2> why is there a user with my name logged in on tty? Is this to do with the supposed hosting provider providing a VNC?
1556 [12:57:34] <jubo2> ^ on a server
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1622 [13:48:52] <goody> hi
1623 [13:48:56] <goody> anyone pm
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1627 [13:51:44] <ratrace> nope
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1635 [13:57:18] <martin__> Is someone here who is involved with maintaining the neomutt package? Even without changing anything in the sid version it fails building: replaced-url
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1638 [13:58:05] <martin__> Looks the date checking is wrong as it expects the hour to be 11 or 12 but here in GMT+1 it is 13:57 now.
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1641 [14:00:37] <martin__> oh, I see there is #debian-next
1642 [14:00:53] <martin__> As I'm talking about a sid package I better ask there I guess.
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1644 [14:01:12] <martin__> Can someone invite me there?
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1651 [14:03:09] <ksk> !next
1652 [14:03:09] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
1653 [14:03:13] <ksk> !debian-next
1654 [14:03:14] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1655 [14:03:21] <ksk> martin__: its not on this network, but over on OFTC ;)
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1659 [14:04:12] <ksk> not thats a bad Idea to post/ask in irc, but if there is a bug in sid you could also just report it I suppose
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1662 [14:04:52] <martin__> ksk, thx :)
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1664 [14:05:36] <martin__> I don't think it is a bug as the package obviously builds as it is available in sid. But it doesn't build locally for me.
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1666 [14:06:25] <ksk> martin__: mhhm, maybe sharing the steps you did so far and the error would help, but lets take it to #debian-next :)
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1673 [14:08:54] <martin__> Still trying to figure out how to join a channel on a different server. ^^ I forgot everything about IRC as I haven't used it in 15+ years. :D
1674 [14:09:50] <martin__> Ah, found out.
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1676 [14:10:23] <martin__> `Closing Link: p5090FD60.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (Sorry, server is full - try later)` ;-(
1677 [14:10:24] <ksk> I dont see a "martin__" over there.. ;)
1678 [14:10:34] <ksk> uh, mhmkay!?
1679 [14:10:41] <martin__> I'm not allowed to connect as the server is full
1680 [14:10:59] <ksk> you are trying something like "/server irc.oftc.net"?
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1682 [14:11:34] <martin__> ksk, just picked OFTC in HexChats Server list and hit "connect" button
1683 [14:11:47] <ksk> k, that should do the trick, maybe try again later then.
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1686 [14:12:06] <martin__> Or I try via one of the xmpp2irc bridges...
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1689 [14:13:06] <eugen> Hello - did anything change in the preseed configuration arround partman using partman-auto/expert_recipe ?
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1691 [14:13:36] <ksk> eugen: I am not too familiar with preseed, but not sure if anyone could answer such a question.. ;)
1692 [14:13:39] <eugen> (sorry - with buster). My stretch preseed does not work in the way that 2 additional questions are display
1693 [14:13:59] <ksk> ah, so you are asking if anything changed between stretch and buster, kk.
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1695 [14:14:24] <ksk> eugen: might that just be related to parman having (two) new options?
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1697 [14:14:48] <eugen> I checked the docs and changelogs, but did not find anything
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1699 [14:15:19] <ksk> martin__: I will ask OFTC staff if they know about the "server full" message, Ill hit you up if I get any reply.
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1705 [14:16:27] <martin__> thx
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1707 [14:16:45] <martin__> Maybe it's also me holding HexChat wrong. ^^
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1710 [14:17:29] <eugen> ksk the pitty is, anything else just works fine, if i press enter 2 times the whole provisioning works just fibe
1711 [14:17:32] <eugen> *fine
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1713 [14:17:55] <ksk> eugen: sorry, apart from "you missed an option" I have no Idea. (as I said I am not into pressed.)
1714 [14:18:00] <ksk> maybe just wait a little bit in here
1715 [14:18:11] <ksk> it tends to be more silent on weekends ;)
1716 [14:18:24] <StyXman> I'm completely new to ACLs and I'm baffled by this: replaced-url
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1719 [14:19:31] <ksk> StyXman: would you mind explaining that? :)
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1722 [14:20:49] <StyXman> Iḿ trying to give replaced-url
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1725 [14:21:11] <ksk> ah.
1726 [14:21:16] <ksk> you need X on a dir, to change into it.
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1728 [14:21:47] <ksk> StyXman: and furthermore, judging from that, you might not need ACLs for that, at all ;)
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1730 [14:22:11] <StyXman> ksk: it's a backup dir, so I don't the usual perms to change
1731 [14:22:15] <ksk> I think there is nothing bad with ACLs in general, they have a purpose, but most people just dont get they could do many things with basic unix permissions
1732 [14:22:20] <StyXman> just sidestep them with acls
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1735 [14:23:25] <StyXman> ksk: yeah, it was the x
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1737 [14:23:47] <StyXman> I was sure that r was enough for traversing dirs,..
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1740 [14:25:30] <ksk> no, sir.
1741 [14:25:49] <ksk> in fact, you can traverse/enter it by having +x
1742 [14:26:04] <ksk> but not be able to read anything (ls) if you only have x and not r
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1754 [14:33:33] <StyXman> ah, it was the other way around
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1775 [14:50:31] <Kobaz> Xwrapper has allowed_users=anybody
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1887 [16:12:06] <eugen> Trying to migrate my vagrant debian-9 build to debian-10. Somehow it seems the preseeding does not longer work in 2 aspects of partman - i get 2 of those questions during the installtion: replaced-url
1888 [16:12:06] <eugen> replaced-url
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1890 [16:13:02] <eugen> i looked at replaced-url
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1897 [16:14:15] <kristian_on_linu> hi, so this is a raspbian/raspberry pi question, but I hope that's okay
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1904 [16:16:16] <dvs> !raspbian
1905 [16:16:16] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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1908 [16:17:10] <Aram> hi. I am using debootstrap to create sysroots for cross-gcc. however, they are single arch. is it possible to use debootstrap to create a multiarch root?
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1917 [16:23:32] <Arlington> My network manager's DNS setting keeps getting reset to the router's.
1918 [16:23:46] <Arlington> I think it happens whenever DHCP lease is renewed.
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2006 [17:32:18] <FightingFalcon> how could i make it so that root@debian-4gb-nbg1-1:~# root here is in red color?
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2013 [17:35:30] <EdePopede> FightingFalcon, you can use ANSI sequences: replaced-url
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2029 [17:38:18] <FightingFalcon> do i have to restart after changing .bashrc file?
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2031 [17:38:57] <n4dir> source .bashrc
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2033 [17:39:03] <xdiff0rke> no, use 'source .bashrc'
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2035 [17:40:32] <FightingFalcon> wow
2036 [17:40:34] <FightingFalcon> it worked :D
2037 [17:40:36] <FightingFalcon> thanks
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2093 [18:02:34] <Guest8794> #HelloFriends
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2100 [18:04:00] <Guest8794> debian developers here?
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2106 [18:05:38] <ksk> !ask
2107 [18:05:38] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
2108 [18:06:20] <ksk> ehm, nevermind.
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2110 [18:06:25] <LambdaComplex> hey, maybe that was the question!
2111 [18:06:29] <LambdaComplex> hashtag optimism
2112 [18:06:48] <LambdaComplex> and now i'm gonna shamelessly crosspost from ##linux
2113 [18:06:58] <LambdaComplex> 12:02 <LambdaComplex> does isc-dhcp-client provide a way to ignore options provided by the dhcp server? i would _guess_ that providing no argument to supersede (e.g. `supersede domain-search;`) would work, but i can't find anything in the man pages confirming or denying that
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2116 [18:10:08] <n_1-c_k> LambdaComplex, yes, you can remove them from dhclient.conf.
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2122 [18:12:06] <LambdaComplex> n_1-c_k: you mean remove them from the request statement?
2123 [18:12:15] <LambdaComplex> or do you mean use supersede like i said?
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2126 [18:13:10] <n_1-c_k> LambdaComplex, I answered "a way to ignore options", which is don't ask for them in the conf file. Just delete them or comment out.
2127 [18:13:55] <LambdaComplex> what about the case where the client doesn't request an option but the server provides it anyways? or is that something that should not occur?
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2130 [18:15:23] <n_1-c_k> LambdaComplex, that's my situation, where I don't want my router's DNS. Removing it from the client's conf fixed that.
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2142 [18:19:50] <LambdaComplex> alright, that did work. although i don't know if that actually resulted in the dhcp server not sending those options. i took a packet capture so i should have an answer to that shortly
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2147 [18:24:04] <n_1-c_k> LambdaComplex, jolly good, let us know?
2148 [18:24:05] <LambdaComplex> the dhcp server did not provide the options that i removed from the request
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2150 [18:24:20] <n_1-c_k> righto
2151 [18:24:45] <LambdaComplex> great, so now i'm wondering how the client behaves if it does receive stuff that it didn't ask for >:(
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2153 [18:24:53] <LambdaComplex> maybe i'll look into that later
2154 [18:24:55] * LambdaComplex is lazy though
2155 [18:25:01] <Delta706> I am wanting to implement a sleep in C on debian and I do not want the sleep to be interrupted. Is it as simple as turning off signals during the sleep, or is it more complicated?
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2157 [18:25:45] <LambdaComplex> i feel like that's less a debian question and more a linux question or perhaps a programming question
2158 [18:27:06] <Delta706> so I could go to #linux?
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2160 [18:27:24] <Ankman> or a C channel?
2161 [18:27:39] <LambdaComplex> i was gonna say either linux or programming. or, yeah, a C channel
2162 [18:27:47] <LambdaComplex> which would be ##C on freenode
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2164 [18:27:51] <Delta706> well sometimes things like POSIX are broken on certain OS's
2165 [18:28:31] <Delta706> so I am asking about debian deviations from posix
2166 [18:28:31] <jaakkos> Delta706: what do you mean by being interrupted? You mean by OS scheduler? It is going to be more complicated. Linux is not a real-time OS.
2167 [18:28:34] <LambdaComplex> i honestly don't know how much the debian maintainers customize the linux kernel for debian, but i doubt anything they do would affect the answer to your question
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2170 [18:29:38] <Delta706> I will try ##C
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2174 [18:30:40] <LambdaComplex> "I do not want the sleep to be interrupted"
2175 [18:30:43] * LambdaComplex laughs in SIGKILL
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2189 [18:38:24] <xormor> LambdaComplex, kill -1 %1 then kill %1 then kill -9 %1
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2191 [18:39:53] <xormor> LambdaComplex, I learned the %1 trick from the book Linux for Dummies, in the library. it is now an old book. it was from the time one might've had to run X with root privileges. a bad idea. like logging into IRC with root. only use root when necessary, otherwise a "normal" user. sudo should use the root password. I still wonder about the Synaptic integration. it asks my normal password in Modern Gnome the desktop (in X).
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2193 [18:41:02] <lupine> if you've got a handy device, you can make things immune to sigkill
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2196 [18:41:20] <lupine> process state d is magic
2197 [18:41:24] <xormor> /etc/sudoers: "Defaults rootpw"
2198 [18:41:34] <xormor> lupine, oh I could just program it to ignore it...
2199 [18:41:51] <xormor> lupine, I know C and C++ and amd64 and x86 assembly.
2200 [18:41:54] <lupine> well, that's kind of the point, you can't
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2204 [18:44:06] <xormor> lupine, I had to use kill -9 two times.
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2206 [18:44:40] <xormor> lupine, signal(SIGKILL, sigintHandler);
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2208 [18:44:58] <Habbie> no process can ignore -9
2209 [18:45:00] <xormor> lupine, there must be a way. it is device depenent.
2210 [18:45:13] <xormor> Habbie, there must be a hardware way to do it.
2211 [18:45:42] <Habbie> sure, there's also a kernel patch way to do it
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2213 [18:45:51] <Habbie> i did not realise it was that kind of conversation
2214 [18:46:02] <Habbie> oh process state D
2215 [18:46:13] <Habbie> you can kill -9 a hundred times and D won't budge
2216 [18:46:18] <Habbie> so your second -9 did no more than the first
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2223 [18:48:25] <xormor> Habbie, it was killed because it was running in the background. when it was stopped it was not killed, until I did a second SIGKILL (-9).
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2226 [18:50:39] <xormor> lots of Swedes are of German origin, but I think Goths were a mixed lot.
2227 [18:50:41] <B|ack0p> hi
2228 [18:51:19] <xormor> many Finn-Swedes came from Germany to Scandinavia and ultimately Finland, that can arguably called a Nordic country as well, and Baltic-Scandinavian.
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2230 [18:51:46] <xormor> I think the Germans went to Denmark and South Sweden and sailed to South-West Finland and West Finland.
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2233 [18:52:19] <lupine> Well. I tried
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2236 [18:52:55] <xormor> my ancestors might have lived within Finland for centuries, even millennia. no idea where they were before Christianization of Finland, even the Catholic era. There are church records from the Lutheran era of 1500's and tombstones from the 1700's and 1800's and 1900's and 2000's.
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2238 [18:54:06] <xormor> one of my ancestors was Johan Johansson, and I think he may have been called Israel or maybe it was Klemetti Klemetinpoika and Israel Klemetinpoika, and Johan Johansson. From my mother's side. My father's side is a bit shady. more from the East regions of Finland.
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2240 [18:54:46] <xormor> maybe my father is Ugrian and mother is Germanic/Scandinavian. my father has so dark hair he might even be an Aryan, since I and he have quite dark blue eyes and pale complexion.
2241 [18:55:14] <xormor> my grandfather Esko looked like a Nazi in his glasses and suit for the gas station he owned.
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2243 [18:55:45] <xormor> maybe there is a mixture of 2 populations when I and my father married and got children. we might as well be Uralic-Scandinavian.
2244 [18:56:01] <xormor> my mother and my father married
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2246 [18:56:04] <xormor> Freudian slip
2247 [18:56:30] <xormor> it would have been funny if I and my father had married. we would have been homosexuals and in an incest relationship, but would not be able to make children.
2248 [18:56:45] <xormor> sometimes he came a bit too close, so my mother did. so I pushed them down the stairs.
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2253 [18:59:30] <jubo2> I have the package net-tools installed, but I have no arp cli command
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2255 [18:59:39] <jubo2> Whats gone wrong?
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2258 [19:00:43] <xormor> lupine, this is the wrong channel. am I insane? maybe I should tell the nurse who gives me my meds in about 15 mins - 30 mins.
2259 [19:00:51] <xormor> lupine, this is a bad slip.
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2267 [19:02:58] <druid99> Sup
2268 [19:03:15] <jim> jubo2, which dist?
2269 [19:03:30] <jim> oh, sorry...
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2271 [19:03:47] <jim> , find bin/arp
2272 [19:03:53] <judd> Search for bin/arp in buster/amd64: net-tools: usr/sbin/arp
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2276 [19:04:12] <jubo2> jim: Debian10
2277 [19:04:36] <jim> jubo2, so it's there, as a plain user you usually don't have /usr/sbin in your path
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2309 [19:28:19] <karlpinc> !buster su
2310 [19:28:20] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To use the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
2311 [19:29:17] <absurdist> i need a mipsel porterbox
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2371 [20:13:06] <gonzo11> Hello, is there a tool to deal with version 5 .rar files?
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2373 [20:13:47] <gonzo11> unrar seems to handle up to version 2 .rar files
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2377 [20:15:50] <ratrace> gonzo11: there's two unrars -- free and non-free -- tried both?
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2467 [21:12:41] <codejunky> Hi there, I have net.ipv6.conf.eth0.use_tempaddr = 0 but ifconfig eth0 show my public ipv6 address does not match my mac-adress of eth0. Any ideas what I maybe additionally missing? ipv6 in general works, ping6 is fine. But i need the ipv6 address match the mac address
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2570 [22:19:29] <ice9> from where can I download older debian iso's?
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2645 [23:22:30] <jim> can I search files for a partial file name (like mod_ftp*)?
2646 [23:22:47] <sponix> what format should I use on my new 12TB drive ? Gonna be storing Movie Media on it mainly.. xfs, jfs, ext4, zfs ?
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2648 [23:23:00] <jim> on judd that is
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2650 [23:23:38] <Namarrgon> zfs requires out-of-tree modules and i don't know anyone who's still using jfs
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2654 [23:23:52] <ratrace> , find /usr/bin/pin*
2655 [23:23:56] <judd> Search for /usr/bin/pin* in buster/amd64: [truncated] pinentry-qt4: usr/bin/pinentry-qt4; pinentry-curses: usr/bin/pinentry-curses; pinentry-fltk: usr/bin/pinentry-fltk; pinentry-x2go: usr/bin/pinentry-x2go; ctdb: usr/bin/ping_pong; plaso: usr/bin/pinfo.py; coreutils: usr/bin/pinky; pinentry-gnome3: usr/bin/pinentry-gnome3; pinfo: usr/bin/pinfo; pinot: usr/bin/pinot, usr/bin
2656 [23:23:57] <judd> /pinot-dbus-daemon, usr/bin/pinot-index, usr/bin/pinot-label, usr/bin/pinot-prefs, usr/bin/pinot-search; pinentry-gtk2: usr/bin/pinentry-gtk-2; python3-gpiozero: usr/bin/pinout; kwalletcli: usr/bin/pinentry-kwallet; pinentry-tty: usr/bin/pinentry-tty; pinentry-qt: usr/bin/pinentry-qt
2657 [23:24:03] <ratrace> jim: yeup.
2658 [23:24:11] <sponix> Namarrgon: I use zfs for a raidz already... It is pretty simple
2659 [23:24:26] <ratrace> zfs ftw
2660 [23:24:40] <ratrace> sponix: if you're alraedy using it, why you ask then?
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2663 [23:25:49] <sponix> ratrace: well, I have it going on a 5 x 1TB raidz... But wasn't sure what would be best for a Media library on this new 12TB single drive
2664 [23:26:02] <ratrace> sponix: ZFS of course
2665 [23:26:13] <sponix> fair enough :)
2666 [23:26:19] <ratrace> the larger the data stack, the better ZFS fits to it
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2673 [23:28:17] <jim> ratrace, thanks
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2693 [23:41:08] <lel> So i followed the steps here replaced-url
2694 [23:42:38] <lel> like when i open the lid to end the suspend or key mash even after less than five minutes it instantly hibernates
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2703 [23:47:54] <tuxic> hello peeps
2704 [23:48:08] <tuxic> I'm facing an issue with virt-manager & network bridging
2705 [23:48:20] <tuxic> It doesn't want to detect my network bridge
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2707 [23:48:36] <tuxic> replaced-url
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2717 [23:56:33] <ob-sed> hi
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2719 [23:57:01] <ob-sed> is debian+kde good for a production django server ? 5 million users per month
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2721 [23:57:24] <wasamasa> kde?
2722 [23:57:27] <ratrace> ob-sed: why would you put kde on a _django_ server for?
2723 [23:57:47] <wasamasa> to give hackers a wide open backdoor :D
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2726 [23:58:11] <ob-sed> ratrace: i like the user interface and i would develop the app inside django and sublime text in a VM on my home PC, and i would prefer the KDE for my developement box
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2728 [23:58:27] <ob-sed> the production server would probably have Xfce
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2730 [23:58:45] <ob-sed> wasamasa: what wide open backdoors specifically does KDE have ?
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2732 [23:59:00] <wasamasa> there's search engines that list X11/VNC ports without authentication
2733 [23:59:03] <tuxic> graphical user interface = bigger attack surface
2734 [23:59:06] <wasamasa> I wouldn't want you to land on such a list
2735 [23:59:10] <ob-sed> yeah
2736 [23:59:19] <ob-sed> I firewall of X11 port
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2738 [23:59:27] <ratrace> ob-sed: there's no benefit from running a desktop on a web server
2739 [23:59:30] <ob-sed> and i tell the server not to allow network logins
2740 [23:59:40] <ob-sed> ratrace: ease of use
2741 [23:59:47] <ratrace> ob-sed: what use? it's a server
2742 [23:59:50] <ob-sed> editing stuff in sublime text
2743 [23:59:53] <wasamasa> all that X11 is taking away precious space on the server
2744 [23:59:59] <tuxic> if you are running your servers from your home network you probably should use virtual machines or containers
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