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• 8[00:03:55] <ryouma> is this box gong to be supported by debian do you think? (for those looking for graphics card it seems to be intel 630 graphics. i don't want binary blob graphics drivers.) replaced-url
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• 10[00:04:50] <ryouma> that seems tob e the spec list for this which ia m considering replaced-url
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• 12[00:06:21] <somiaj> intel graphics works fairly well, though newer ones do need non-free firmware, but not a binary blob driver
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• 18[00:09:44] <ryouma> is that a newer one?
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• 23[00:11:50] <ryouma> i just don('t want to have to suddenly get a video card in 6 years because it is no loonger supported. i am guessing the privacy risk is not really increased because thyalredy put lots of anti-privacy stuff in there. but that is just a guess.
• 24[00:11:52] <somiaj> I don't know intel cards that well, but I would worry to much about having to have to use nonfree firmware with it.
• 25[00:12:24] <somiaj> you just may need to install firmare-misc-nonfree for that card
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• 30[00:14:26] <jxel> Afternoon :smiley:
• 31[00:14:27] <jxel> fuck
• 32[00:14:31] <jxel> afternoon! :D
• 33[00:14:56] <annadane> message ruined
• 34[00:15:09] <annadane> ain't no picture emojis in irc!
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• 36[00:15:43] <ryouma> :) is a picture!
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• 38[00:16:33] <nerdboy> ascii art on a giant line printer...
• 39[00:17:10] * nerdboy used to have one that sounded exactly like george jetson's car...
• 40[00:17:27] <nerdboy> * on startup
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• 42[00:18:42] <nerdboy> that reminds me about how old is new again
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• 46[00:19:46] <nerdboy> replaced-url
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• 58[00:29:27] <clarity> okay
• 59[00:29:34] <clarity> I figured out why my wifi isn't working
• 60[00:29:40] <clarity> it's not supported until the latest release
• 61[00:29:43] <clarity> err
• 62[00:29:47] <clarity> kernel 5.1+
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• 66[00:31:31] <sponix> clarity: there is kernel 5.2.17 available in the backports
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• 69[00:33:33] <clarity> is there a way I can download this, stick it on usb drive, and move install it from there?
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• 76[00:39:00] <clarity> I think I got it
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• 82[00:44:52] <clarity> nope
• 83[00:44:53] <clarity> no clue
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• 114[01:03:48] <gunix_> Hi, I want to create a custom distro (not live). I am using Debian based OS (Pardus), is there any simple way to modify .iso file? Just an example: I want to remove firefox browser from .iso and add Chromium. Thanks..
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• 120[01:08:11] <somiaj> !based on debian
• 121[01:08:11] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
• 122[01:08:30] <somiaj> gunix_: I don't know the best place for your question, but in general we don't support anything based on debian.
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• 126[01:13:31] <gunix_> It's pure debian, there is just language modifications. So my question is I'm using Debian, I want to create a custom distro (not live). Is there any simple way to modify .iso file? Just an example: I want to remove firefox browser from .iso and add Chromium. Thank you again..
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• 134[01:18:32] <ayekat> gunix_: from a quick $searchengine search... replaced-url
• 135[01:19:44] <ayekat> then again, that's debian - we can't tell if it applies to your distro (because your question makes little sense in the debian context)
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• 139[01:21:44] <gunix_> @ayekat I searched it but the results are difficult to understand for me (I am newbie). Anyway, thank you for your help, I will try.
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• 141[01:23:45] <ayekat> the results are probably difficult to understand because again it has little to do with debian, so you'll hardly find any useful information on your problem
• 142[01:27:00] <RoyK> gunix_: why do you want to create a new iso file?
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• 146[01:29:38] <annadane> can this be covered via preseeding?
• 147[01:30:08] <ayekat> I'll wildly guess and assume that their distro provides a "Try it out!" live system with a DE and everything (similar to the Ubuntu ISO), and they want to change the setting there
• 148[01:30:29] <ayekat> (hard to tell/verify, because the website appears to be all in turkish)
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• 151[01:31:49] <RoyK> annadane: probably - I've never tried preseeding myself, but I don't see why it shouldn't work. I was thinking in the direction of an ansible playbook after installing, but preseed would probably be better
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• 153[01:33:36] <gunix_> we have more than 150 computers in lab (different hardware), we need to use some specific programs and manual installation is not good for my health. I made a bash script for it but I don't want to wait installation progress after OS installation.
• 154[01:34:06] <ayekat> so you don't actually want to modify the ISO, you just want to change the default selection of packages that get installed?
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• 157[01:35:02] <RoyK> !ansible
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• 159[01:35:07] <ayekat> (this feels like a textbook example of an XY problem)
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• 161[01:36:03] <RoyK> ayekat: I'd use ansible for that, but then, preseed might also work, I just haven't used it yet
• 162[01:36:47] <ayekat> I'd use meta-packages, but to each their own - config management tools like ansible are probably fine too (especially in an environment with 150 computers)
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• 164[01:37:32] <ayekat> better: use preseeding to set up the systems such that you can take over with ansible to configure/install the rest :-)
• 165[01:37:49] <ayekat> (ideal: combine with PXE)
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• 168[01:38:53] <RoyK> ayekat++
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• 171[01:41:13] <gunix_> @ayekat I want to install programs that are not in the package manager so I think I have to modify .iso for this.
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• 178[01:42:11] <mutante> gunix_: i'd use puppet
• 179[01:42:53] <mutante> just like ansible it is made to solve this problem. lots of computers, different roles, install software depending on role.
• 180[01:43:17] <ayekat> gunix_: then I'd create packages for them - and modifying the ISO is really not a very elegant approach, because the ISO only covers the installation
• 181[01:43:22] <mutante> creating new .iso's isn't the scalable solution for this i think
• 182[01:43:41] <ayekat> you'll likely want a solution that allows you to configure and setup and change the systems also after you're done with the installation
• 183[01:43:56] <RoyK> puppet, ansible, chef, whatever - choose one you like. I prefer ansible.
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• 185[01:44:24] <mutante> yea, one of those. configuration management is what you want for exactly this situation
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• 188[01:47:15] <gunix_> Thank you @ayekat, @RoyK, @mutante, @annadane. I'll look at your solution suggestions.
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• 200[01:58:52] <gunix_> Thank you ayekat, RoyK, mutante, annadane. I'll look at your solution suggestions.
• 201[01:59:23] <gunix_> Thank you ayekat-RoyK-mutante-annadane. I'll look at your solution suggestions.
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• 206[02:00:06] <ayekat> Ó_ô
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• 211[02:01:17] <annadane> ugh multiple pings
• 212[02:01:20] <annadane> stahp
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• 214[02:01:42] <annadane> also i love not helping yet somehow still getting thanked
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• 220[02:06:57] <RoyK> annadane: hehe
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• 238[02:15:35] <ZaZaGX> so i did this
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• 241[02:15:37] <ZaZaGX> echo 'blacklist usbhid' > /etc/modprobe.d/usbhid.conf
• 242[02:15:44] <ZaZaGX> how do i check it is blacklisted?
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• 245[02:19:04] <oxek> On debian 10, what program is responsible for resolving DNS, and which tool do I use to configure it?
• 246[02:19:14] <oxek> is it systemd-resolvd?
• 247[02:19:20] <oxek> or NetworkManager?
• 248[02:19:23] <oxek> or dhcpd?
• 249[02:19:30] <oxek> they all seem to be able to do stuff with DNS
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• 269[02:28:03] <oxek> has anyone alerted debian maintainers of VNC programs about this replaced-url
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• 276[02:31:58] <derpadmin> systemd-resolved
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• 301[02:48:36] <RoyK> hrmf - how do I configure systemd-resolved to add a 'search' line to /etc/resolv.conf ?
• 302[02:48:47] <RoyK> I'm on buster
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• 327[03:08:39] <jim> RoyK, apt install resolvconf
• 328[03:09:10] <jim> then /etc/network/interfaces has new syntax
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• 340[03:18:45] <tds> RoyK: did you get that working in the end? if not, is this a desktop install or not?
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• 349[03:23:59] <RoyK> tds: server
• 350[03:24:29] <tds> did you manually install systemd-resolved? how are you doing your network config etc?
• 351[03:25:19] <RoyK> systemd-resolved is installed - network config is in /etc/network/interfaces
• 352[03:25:23] <derpadmin> got systemd-resolvd working RoyK
• 353[03:25:40] <derpadmin> thanks to the arch linux tutorial
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• 355[03:27:00] <RoyK> seems installing resolvconf did it - configuring systemd-resolvd didn't
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• 357[03:27:09] <derpadmin> so you have the choice to use systemd-resolvd or good ol' resolv.conf
• 358[03:27:56] <derpadmin> vi /etc/systemd/resolved.conf
• 359[03:28:08] <RoyK> that was my first attempt - didn't work
• 360[03:28:12] <derpadmin> put your search domain here ^
• 361[03:28:16] <derpadmin> wait :)
• 362[03:28:21] <derpadmin> systemctl start systemd-resolved.service
• 363[03:28:30] <derpadmin> dig +short @127.0.0.53 google.ca A
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• 366[03:28:40] <derpadmin> mv /etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf.bak
• 367[03:28:47] <derpadmin> ln -sf /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf
• 368[03:28:53] <derpadmin> systemctl restart systemd-resolved.service
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• 370[03:29:06] <derpadmin> this works for me
• 371[03:29:28] <derpadmin> systemd-resolvd is listening on 127.0.0.53:53
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• 373[03:31:04] <RoyK> derpadmin: it doesn't work - resolvconf does
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• 376[03:32:04] <derpadmin> you did the symlink?
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• 378[03:32:14] <derpadmin> systemd-resolvd is started?
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• 380[03:32:35] <derpadmin> I am on buster as well...
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• 382[03:32:59] <tds> resolved is only particularly useful if you want a caching/validating stub resolver, or if you're using some other network manager (eg networkmanager, systemd-networkd) to push config to it over dbus
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• 384[03:33:18] <tds> if you're using /etc/network/interfaces, that's just plain old ifupdown, easy option is to just write resolv.conf manually
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• 386[03:33:43] <derpadmin> yup, I am just trying to stop hating systemd
• 387[03:33:47] <derpadmin> and using it
• 388[03:33:49] <derpadmin> :)
• 389[03:33:58] <RoyK> it's rather confusing how several services compete
• 390[03:33:59] <derpadmin> my resolv.conf was manual
• 391[03:34:23] <derpadmin> RoyK : yes
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• 394[03:34:35] <derpadmin> never found the utility to resolvconf
• 395[03:34:51] <derpadmin> and I won't use systemd-resolvd either
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• 471[05:00:56] <atrus_> \help
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• 495[05:40:48] <eightyone> hi debian
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• 506[05:55:30] <violentE> I think I really messed up this time. I have a fresh debian 10 install with nonfree firmware. On install everything was fine, and had internet connection without issue. Then suddenly I lost connection. After restarting somethings, I realise that while I was connected to the network (this is all via ethernet) I couldn't resolve domains. I never actually learned the real way to solve this problem except to add 8.8.8.8 to /etc/resolv.conf
• 507[05:55:30] <violentE> so I poked around and messed things up further and no I can't even ping 8.8.8.8 all it says is: Destination Host Unreachable. Please help. I have three ethernet ports and one isn't even recognized, and while I was messing around I changed the mac address around (thats when I noticed this new error)
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• 533[06:23:25] <violentE> I got it nvm
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• 561[06:46:55] <skyline> Hello, World!
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• 566[06:52:13] <eightyone> hello skyline
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• 577[07:04:53] <skyline> Hello eightyone
• 578[07:06:46] <skyline> I've spent the last five hours trying to figure out how to partition a usb for a persistent live drive of Parrot OS! I just start a pot of coffee and am bunking in for the night on this issue... :)
• 579[07:07:34] <skyline> Any info you could sent would be greatly appreciated
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• 583[07:13:28] <maqr> skyline: you figure it out?
• 584[07:13:30] <eightyone> oh wow skyline. i wish you the best.
• 585[07:13:57] <eightyone> im new to this all. i havent done a persistent usb. do you mean that it will save your data in a persistant live way?
• 586[07:16:23] <maqr> skyline: 1 ntfs partition (first) if you want generic storage, then 1 fat32 partition for boot stuff, then however you want to do persistence (another partition or a file or whatever, doesn't matter once you're booting), use something like this for your menuentry then replaced-url
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• 590[07:22:23] <skyline> @maqr, no not yet
• 591[07:22:39] <skyline> @eightyone yes
• 592[07:24:18] <skyline> @maqr I could make the whole drive in fat32, fuse the iso then resize that partition and creat the ext4 for the live partition
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• 594[07:27:03] <maqr> skyline: i'm not sure how boot on usb without grub works, but maybe?
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• 598[07:29:06] <skyline> its basically where you install a bootable usb that loads into memory. Just change the boot order and wahla Operating System of choice. :)
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• 600[07:31:24] <maqr> skyline: i just learned how to use grub, so i'm all jazzed on that, i've got a bunch of isos sitting on /boot and i can use any of them from the grub menu
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• 602[07:33:49] <pie3> anyone used latex?
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• 606[07:37:57] <Dibejzer> hi
• 607[07:38:00] <skyline> @maqr I'm not to familiar with grub, i thought that it was only needed to load from an HDD or SSD
• 608[07:38:44] <eightyone> i cant figure out the efi/boot stuff for the life of me. i think my brain is damaged and unable to comprehend it
• 609[07:39:01] <eightyone> been dual booting mac/linux lately
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• 914[12:33:31] <FinalSolution> Sieg Heil!
• 915[12:33:35] <FinalSolution> I am Adolf Hitler.
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• 933[12:42:29] <test2> hello hello, this is a first-time test on irc. sorry for this...
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• 935[12:43:09] <mase-tech> Hi
• 936[12:43:21] <mase-tech> I have a question about mx linux
• 937[12:43:39] <mase-tech> are questions related to that distro allowed ?
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• 959[12:53:51] <ratrace> !tell mase-tech about based on debian
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• 965[12:57:04] <annadane> !tell mase-tech about mxlinux
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• 967[12:58:07] <wasamasa> mase-tech: no
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• 969[12:59:44] <humbot> so mean
• 970[12:59:57] <ratrace> perpetrators shall be tarred and feathered!
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• 979[13:04:33] <abrotman> mase-tech: you could perhaps try ##linux
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• 981[13:05:10] <srged> does anyone know if my config file is correct for unattended updates? replaced-url
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• 988[13:08:40] <mase-tech> solved problem
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• 996[13:10:50] <srged> can anyone help me with unattended upgrades ?
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• 1006[13:17:46] <abrotman> srged: it seems fine, but it's easily validated
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• 1016[13:23:12] <goody7> anyone chat.... almost 9 yrs
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• 1020[13:25:39] <srged> abrotman: yea well it seems that everything was already setup properly. yet it does not upgrade automatically... what could it be ?
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• 1023[13:27:54] <annadane> goody7, this is a support channel for debian questions, if you want to just be social try #debian-offtopic
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• 1026[13:30:00] <abrotman> srged: might want to share your sources.list
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• 1030[13:33:24] <srged> abrotman: here.... replaced-url
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• 1034[13:36:40] <abrotman> I'd take a (horrible) guess and say you're referencing stable in your upgrades file, and buster in your sources?
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• 1037[13:39:58] <srged> abrotman: and what do u suggest ?
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• 1040[13:42:40] <srged> ah ok
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• 1122[14:48:17] <martian67> oh good, PIA (private internet access) has been bought out by a VPN spyware company (PIA took over freenode some time ago)
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• 1125[14:50:15] <CrystalMath> why is that good?
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• 1128[14:51:24] <martian67> it isn't
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• 1134[14:52:28] <CrystalMath> oh well, we'll always have irc.debian.org
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• 1146[14:59:11] <ratrace> yeah because OFTC (which is irc.debian.org) is not run by corporate overlords and spymasters
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• 1148[15:00:29] <CrystalMath> so who's the new owner?
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• 1150[15:01:22] <martian67> some company called "Kape" that seems to be infamous for buying out VPN brands and turning them into data harvesting operations
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• 1165[15:08:00] <annadane> PIA... owns freenode? wut?
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• 1169[15:09:09] <martian67> annadane: freenode claimed it was a "partnership" but control of the company registration etc was moved to PIA
• 1170[15:09:20] <martian67> so very obviously PIA now owns it
• 1171[15:09:52] <martian67> replaced-url
• 1172[15:10:23] <martian67> replaced-url
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• 1174[15:11:12] <annadane> well, not much #debian can do, there's always #freenode to raise concerns i guess
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• 1179[15:13:03] <user1_fn> Is editing "/etc/network/interfaces" deprecated since systemd?
• 1180[15:13:13] <martian67> note: Andrew Lee is the owner of PIA
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• 1182[15:13:28] <martian67> from the second link
• 1183[15:13:43] <annadane> shouldn't be
• 1184[15:13:50] <annadane> re: network/interfaces
• 1185[15:13:50] <karlpinc> user1_fn: No.
• 1186[15:14:12] <karlpinc> #debian-offtopic for freenode discussions?
• 1187[15:14:16] <nvz> user1_fn: no systemd networkd is disabled by default
• 1188[15:14:42] <nvz> user1_fn: nm ignores ifs conf in there
• 1189[15:14:51] <martian67> im not moving to #debian-offtopic.
• 1190[15:15:20] <user1_fn> nvz, for all of stable/testing/unstable?
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• 1193[15:15:56] <nvz> user1_fn: afaik though i havent kept up ask on oftc in #debian-next maybe
• 1194[15:16:07] <nvz> or on mailing lists
• 1195[15:16:14] <user1_fn> karlpinc, nvz, thanks.
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• 1231[15:41:36] <madrid> Someone is using jackd and qjackctl in buster? Running this kind of error running qjackctl:
• 1232[15:41:40] <madrid> $ qjackctl
• 1233[15:41:40] <madrid> Warning: Ignoring XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland on Gnome. Use QT_QPA_PLATFORM=wayland to run on Wayland anyway.
• 1234[15:41:40] <madrid> [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
• 1235[15:41:40] <madrid> Using host libthread_db library "/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libthread_db.so.1".
• 1236[15:41:40] <madrid> 0x00007f254ea3c094 in __waitpid (pid=3625, stat_loc=0x7fffb61fe5bc, options=0) at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/waitpid.c:30
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• 1244[15:43:21] <jmd> Which package provides /usr/bin/mail ?
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• 1246[15:44:58] <ayekat> jmd: apt-file might help there
• 1247[15:45:00] <karlpinc> jmd: You can use apt-file to find it.
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• 1249[15:45:25] <karlpinc> jmd: Probably mailx (or something with that in the name, like bsd-mailx). But there might be multiple choices.
• 1250[15:45:43] <karlpinc> jmd: (Unless it's managed through the alternatives system, but probably not.)
• 1251[15:45:46] <jmd> Ok so which package provides apt-file ?
• 1252[15:45:54] <karlpinc> jmd: apt-file
• 1253[15:46:16] <karlpinc> !search
• 1254[15:46:16] <dpkg> Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See replaced-url
• 1255[15:46:32] * karlpinc likes debtags
• 1256[15:46:38] <jmd> karlpinc: Please don't use bots to rebuke people like that.
• 1257[15:46:57] <karlpinc> jmd: It is not a rebuke. It is giving you info on how to find packages.
• 1258[15:47:43] <madrid> apt-file search /usr/bin/mail
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• 1260[15:48:32] <karlpinc> jmd: Bot responses can't be fine-tuned to circumstances.
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• 1262[15:49:07] <jmd> Which is why they are of little use.
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• 1264[15:50:37] <ayekat> jmd: it's similar to being pointed to a piece of documentation, except that the documentation information is inlined in IRC
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• 1267[15:53:17] <f8e3> cpuinfo: bugs : cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2 spec_store_bypass l1tf mds swapgs
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• 1269[15:53:21] <f8e3> what should i do now?
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• 1273[15:54:51] <f8e3> please help
• 1274[15:54:55] <ayekat> f8e3: what's the issue?
• 1275[15:55:08] <f8e3> the bugs and i dont know what todo
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• 1277[15:55:24] <ayekat> f8e3: that lines means that the kernel is aware of those CPU bugs
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• 1279[15:56:01] <ayekat> (if e.g. cpu_meltdown wasn't in there, the kernel wouldn't be aware of Meltdown, which is probably a bad thing)
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• 1281[15:56:30] <f8e3> how come, the cpu is i3 gen2, the bug was public postum, who patched? it
• 1282[15:56:53] <ayekat> please rephrase
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• 1285[15:57:24] <f8e3> the cpu is around 2011 manufactured with many of the bugs after shipping found, who ptached the cpu
• 1286[15:57:33] <shiin> I'm trying to understand where the mozjs binary went in replaced-url
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• 1288[15:58:09] <f8e3> ayekat are there debian updating the intel cpu?
• 1289[15:58:46] <ayekat> f8e3: replaced-url
• 1290[15:59:26] <ayekat> tl;dr the information there is of limited use, don't put much weight on it
• 1291[15:59:29] <f8e3> ayekat aye, thank you
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• 1296[16:05:00] <karlpinc> shiin: There's a bot command to check for that sort of stuff, but I don't know what it is. You'll have to look in the bug tracking system, bugs.debian.org.
• 1297[16:05:29] <karlpinc> shiin: (Or use apt-file, etc., to search the package space.)
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• 1299[16:05:43] <f8e3> how secure is a debian with /boot readable but the main partition in crypt-luks? where is the key stored to enter the main system?
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• 1303[16:06:34] <ratrace> f8e3: the key is not stored unles you explicitly configured unlocking via a keyfile stored somewhere
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• 1306[16:07:23] <f8e3> ratrace yes, whats left is keyloggers, how can i be sure its not logged on deb9?
• 1307[16:07:40] <ratrace> you can't
• 1308[16:07:54] <shiin> replaced-url
• 1309[16:07:55] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1311[16:08:30] <f8e3> ratrace what should i do to mitigate this?
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• 1314[16:08:56] <abrotman> stop using computers ..
• 1315[16:09:01] <shiin> Not like I haven't investigated that. But it's mysterious where the binary went. Apparently Gnome 3.30 depends on the newer mozjs versions. Maybe they're just loading the library.
• 1316[16:09:26] <ratrace> f8e3: nothing much
• 1317[16:10:10] <ratrace> f8e3: you might try with some EFI trusted boot thingy where you validated all the keys yourself and signed the loaders but then you can't be sure, if youre using Intel CPU, that the mini-OS hiddein in the IME is not keylogging
• 1318[16:10:16] <ratrace> so in other words, you can never be sure.
• 1319[16:10:25] <ratrace> that IME chip? there's a whole damn MINIX OS inside it.
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• 1324[16:12:47] <karlpinc> f8e3: Technically with LUKS the key is stored, but encrypted. The password used to encrypt is not stored. You can configure LUKS to store the key elsewhere if you like. Like on a usb stick.
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• 1326[16:13:05] <f8e3> wtf "microprocessor that runs independently of the main CPU and operating system"
• 1327[16:13:27] <karlpinc> f8e3: Hey, UEFI is it's own OS.
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• 1329[16:13:54] <f8e3> karlpinc ok, thank you
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• 1331[16:14:10] <cybercrypto> !backports
• 1332[16:14:11] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
• 1333[16:14:18] <karlpinc> f8e3: Just use a good luks password(s).
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• 1335[16:15:32] <ratrace> karlpinc: with cryptsetup and luks key == passphrse. you can echo -n "your passphrase" into a file and then use it as a keyfile
• 1336[16:15:33] <shiin> replaced-url
• 1337[16:15:50] <cybercrypto> have anyone tried native zfs encryption on debian? any educated advices?
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• 1339[16:16:01] <ratrace> karlpinc: and that is not stored anywhere unless you explicitly set it up with keyfiles, which means you control WHERE the keyfile is
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• 1341[16:17:53] <f8e3> replaced-url
• 1342[16:18:38] <f8e3> how to protect against the 100 of embdded chips running their own bs under hood without needing to trust them?
• 1343[16:18:53] <ratrace> f8e3: run a DIY RISC-V computer
• 1344[16:19:16] <f8e3> ratrace is raspypi enough?
• 1345[16:19:20] <f8e3> or quebeos?
• 1346[16:19:28] <karlpinc> ratrace: To be technical, the encryption key itself is stored in the luks header. The keyfile is used to decrypt the key in the key in the header. The header is stored with the encrypted device by default but the encryption header can be backed up elsewhere or never written and kept separately.
• 1347[16:19:35] <ratrace> or shell out for an IBM POWER 9, say a Raptor Talos (tm) machine, they're supposedly without nasty things like IME
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• 1351[16:20:56] <ratrace> karlpinc: indeed. rather confusing terminology as they're all keys. key to unlock a key that does the decryption etc....
• 1352[16:21:02] <ratrace> so I assumed by "key" they meant the first one
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• 1355[16:22:09] <karlpinc> ratrace: I bought a HP T520 Thin Client based on your remarks. Seems to work. Came with a SSD drive which works, FYI, so it's possible to stick a drive in.
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• 1358[16:22:44] <ratrace> karlpinc: my remarks?
• 1359[16:23:02] <karlpinc> ratrace: About 3 or 6 months ago.
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• 1361[16:23:37] <ratrace> I can barely remember what I had for breakfast :)
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• 1373[16:34:31] <shiin> I'm rewriting my shell scripts to jq now instead of jsawk which used the mozjs24 binary
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• 1391[16:43:24] <gyuma1etyr> Hi!
• 1392[16:43:36] <gyuma1etyr> Does Debian 10 still include Python2 by default, after a standard install?
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• 1398[16:46:24] <f8e3> i have .ssh/authorized_keys added the id_rsa.pub key yet i cant login from client to this server via root@serverip?
• 1399[16:46:30] <f8e3> error: Permission denied (publickey).
• 1400[16:46:31] <gyuma1etyr> I can imagine both are available via apt-get
• 1401[16:46:44] <gyuma1etyr> but I mean by default, after an install, is python 2 still installed?
• 1402[16:47:28] <mtn> gyuma1etyr: pretty sure it is, did you look?
• 1403[16:47:43] <gyuma1etyr> I don't have it installed here, I still have older versions
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• 1405[16:48:13] <mtn> gyuma1etyr: as far as I know, all distros still have python 2 at this time
• 1406[16:48:25] <karlpinc> gyuma1etyr: Check packages.debian.org and see what the python2 package priority is.
• 1407[16:48:37] <gyuma1etyr> mtn, "still have": do you mean "available with apt-get" or installed by default?
• 1408[16:48:54] <mtn> gyuma1etyr: I mean by default
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• 1411[16:49:40] <gyuma1etyr> karlpinc, replaced-url
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• 1415[16:52:08] <gyuma1etyr> mtn, is py3 also installed by default?
• 1416[16:52:16] <gyuma1etyr> or do i have to manually apt install python3 ?
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• 1428[16:58:02] <gyuma1etyr> mtn any idea?
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• 1501[17:42:32] <valdyn> FingerlessGloves: its somewhat application specific i believe. but maybe you get most by editing /etc/gai.conf
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• 1507[17:45:13] <_DeLa_> FYI: Installing replaced-url
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• 1516[17:52:34] <rrttyy> I'm using debian stable. There's a process called [watchdogd] running. Does anyone know what this is?
• 1517[17:52:42] <rrttyy> *running as root
• 1518[17:52:57] <rrttyy> "watchdog" is not installed.
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• 1533[18:00:05] <JesusInJeans> rrttyy, it has to do what the processor does when there is an unexpected "reboot" or "poweroff" I think.. I am not sure.
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• 1537[18:01:15] <rrttyy> right, but is that named "watchdogd"?
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• 1539[18:01:35] <rrttyy> This? replaced-url
• 1540[18:02:21] <JesusInJeans> rrttyy, replaced-url
• 1541[18:02:41] <rrttyy> ...I haven't installed that.
• 1542[18:02:50] <rrttyy> Does that come with the distribution?
• 1543[18:03:13] <JesusInJeans> rrttyy, let me check my system... I think it may
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• 1545[18:03:53] <JesusInJeans> rrttyy, yes it does: "$ ps -ef|grep watchdog root 45 2 0 marras22 ? 00:00:00 [watchdogd]"
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• 1547[18:04:11] <JesusInJeans> rrttyy, I did not install it, it came with the installation of my system.
• 1548[18:04:13] <rrttyy> Oh, that's a relief! I can stop hyperventilating now
• 1549[18:04:21] <rrttyy> thanks, JesusInJeans
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• 1552[18:05:21] <abrotman> ah .. no
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• 1555[18:06:48] <JesusInJeans> abrotman, what would happen if I tried to remove the watchdog[d]?
• 1556[18:07:01] <JesusInJeans> abrotman, would my system be reset every now and then?
• 1557[18:08:11] <jhutchins> JesusInJeans: I believe that processes shown in brackets are kernel processes.
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• 1559[18:09:29] <jhutchins> JesusInJeans: Pretty sure watchdogd is internal
• 1560[18:09:43] <JesusInJeans> jhutchins, can I try to trigger a condition via a simulation of a condition for the watchdog to reset my computer system via reboot or "reset"?
• 1561[18:10:17] <JesusInJeans> jhutchins, I think the so-called "Reset Button" fell out of favor in the 1990's.
• 1562[18:10:39] <JesusInJeans> jhutchins, what I do not want to do is overheat my system, but I could try something else.
• 1563[18:11:34] <jhutchins> JesusInJeans: Try some google searches for watchdogd and you'll probably find a full explanation of what it does. Also see man wdctl.
• 1564[18:12:28] <FingerlessGloves> valdyn, yes edited the label line for fc00::/7 from 7 to 2 and its working :-)
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• 1617[18:55:49] <gouhoband> Ahoy-hoy
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• 1620[18:57:30] <TheM4rco> Hello who can help me there, I would like to mount "/ vendor / lib / modules" in "/ system / lib / modules"! replaced-url
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• 1622[18:58:14] <_DeLa_> gouhoband: Arrrrrrrrrrrrrr ;-)
• 1623[18:58:26] <TheM4rco> but system / vendor has a link to / vendor
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• 1635[19:04:18] <nvz> TheM4rco: you should not use pastebin.com, and your question is unparsable
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• 1637[19:05:23] <nvz> you shouldnt quote things that aren't literal, and paths typicall dont have paces nor is /vendor or /system paths in a debian system
• 1638[19:05:37] <nvz> s/paces/spaces/
• 1639[19:06:05] <TheM4rco> nvz replaced-url
• 1640[19:06:21] <TheM4rco> I see pastebin is not working
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• 1643[19:06:58] <ayekat> dat if condition O_o
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• 1645[19:07:12] <nvz> replaced-url
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• 1647[19:07:25] <nvz> !pastebin.com
• 1648[19:07:25] <dpkg> pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, is full of js, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like replaced-url
• 1649[19:07:50] <TheM4rco> The problem is that he already has a link in / system / with vendor
• 1650[19:08:02] <nvz> I for one am currently on shotty signal bouncing off places.. I'm able to load a sane pastebin like paste.debian.net
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• 1653[19:08:16] <TheM4rco> replaced-url
• 1654[19:08:17] <ayekat> TheM4rco: please don't put random spaces in paths - and please explain the goal
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• 1659[19:09:17] <ayekat> (i.e. what are you trying to achieve?)
• 1660[19:09:18] <nvz> I still don't have the vaguest clue as to what you're doing, why, or what's wrong
• 1661[19:09:44] <nvz> often when stuff like this comes up its somene going about something all wrong and we can't even suggest a better way if we can't figure out what you're trying to do and why
• 1662[19:09:52] <TheM4rco> I want to mount the vendor / lib / modules in / system / lib / modules
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• 1664[19:10:11] <TheM4rco> that he has a link there
• 1665[19:11:03] <ayekat> TheM4rco: so there is a third-party /system/lib/modules directory, and you want its content to be made available under /lib/modules?
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• 1667[19:11:04] <nvz> there is no vendor / lib / modules or / system / lib / modules
• 1668[19:11:05] <skyline> TheM4rco: so you want the library of a vendor in you systems modules library?
• 1669[19:11:08] <nvz> neither thing exists
• 1670[19:11:18] <nvz> thats why nobody here is understanding you
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• 1672[19:11:42] <nvz> you assume we follow what you're doing but we use debian and none of this has ever come up in my 20 years using debian
• 1673[19:11:52] <ayekat> (also a bit off-topic, but you can do simply `if mountpoint -q /path/to/directory; then […]`)
• 1674[19:12:06] <skyline> TheM4rco: Is this right?
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• 1676[19:12:09] <TheM4rco> skyline Yes yes that they are linked there
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• 1679[19:12:16] <ayekat> (or `if ! mountpoint […]`, in this case)
• 1680[19:12:23] <skyline> what is the vendor?
• 1681[19:12:29] <ayekat> what link are you talking about?
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• 1686[19:14:01] <skyline> TheM4rco: You there?
• 1687[19:14:06] <TheM4rco> Yes
• 1688[19:14:18] <skyline> What is your need?
• 1689[19:14:24] <skyline> What is the vendor?
• 1690[19:14:46] <skyline> I might be able to help.
• 1691[19:15:02] <TheM4rco> I want it to be the driver modules in / system / lib / modules
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• 1693[19:16:05] <ayekat> stahp
• 1694[19:16:10] <TheM4rco> I want him to create a link from / vendor / lib / modules to / system / lib / modules that he accesses / vendor
• 1695[19:16:10] <ayekat> please don't put spaces in paths like that
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• 1697[19:16:32] <ayekat> it's difficult and irritating to read (and wrong)
• 1698[19:16:50] <skyline> so you want the driver modules of what?
• 1699[19:17:22] <TheM4rco> from /vendor/lib/modules
• 1700[19:17:27] <TheM4rco> to
• 1701[19:17:43] <TheM4rco> /system/lib/modules
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• 1703[19:17:51] <TheM4rco> mount
• 1704[19:18:06] <skyline> what vendor? replaced-url
• 1705[19:18:39] <skyline> Are you meaning a Distribution as vendor?
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• 1707[19:19:13] <skyline> Are you meaning software of a sort as vendor?
• 1708[19:19:15] <TheM4rco> yes
• 1709[19:19:27] <ayekat> there is a /lib/modules in Debian, but neither /vendor/lib/modules nor /system/lib/modules exist
• 1710[19:19:37] <TheM4rco> A software used / vendor
• 1711[19:19:45] <ayekat> do you want to make custom/third-party kernel modules available under /lib/modules?
• 1712[19:19:48] <skyline> yes To Distribution or yes to software
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• 1714[19:19:59] <TheM4rco> yes
• 1715[19:20:05] <nvz> heh
• 1716[19:20:10] <TheM4rco> custom/third-party kernel modules
• 1717[19:20:17] <ayekat> and that third-party kernel modules currently lives under /vendor/lib/modules?
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• 1719[19:20:24] <TheM4rco> yes
• 1720[19:20:43] <ayekat> alright, so we got this information, at last
• 1721[19:20:49] <nvz> TheM4rco: as I tell people often enough.. you need to back up a few steps and get us up to speed with where you are..
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• 1723[19:21:10] <skyline> then it seems you need a repo for what ever source your looking for added to your sources.list
• 1724[19:21:10] <nvz> TheM4rco: are you looking to make something to handle multiple machines like a vps solution, rapid deployment..
• 1725[19:21:21] <ayekat> ?
• 1726[19:21:22] <skyline> that would be my guess at this time
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• 1728[19:21:44] <ayekat> I don't think this has anything to do with sources.list or package repos
• 1729[19:21:58] <nvz> cause there are tons of such technologies out there we could probably help you with if we knew that was what you were doing
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• 1731[19:22:11] <skyline> i could be mistaken,
• 1732[19:22:23] <TheM4rco> nvz Yes, it's an experiment with a server
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• 1734[19:22:38] <skyline> what kind of server
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• 1736[19:23:04] <nvz> well from our debian mindest there is no reason to be bending debian to the will of something else if you can just do things a debian way (tm)
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• 1738[19:23:26] <jak2000> i want install GuestOs Debian 9, wich kernel recomend me choose: 5.x 2.6 Kernes or 2.4 Kernel?
• 1739[19:23:29] <nvz> only reason something like what you seem to be talking about would be necessar is where the user doesnt have control over the plaform at all
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• 1741[19:24:03] <nvz> and the content is not being provided by the one who does have control or otherwise that one is trying to be distro agnostic
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• 1743[19:24:26] <skyline> nvz: like a remote * ?
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• 1745[19:24:44] <nvz> cause th way we're doing thigs is typically just installing dkms deb packages for modules
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• 1747[19:25:14] <nvz> like if I were hosting a vps server with cent, gentoo, debian, whatever.. and I wanted to provide site-specitic modules to any user of any such distro
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• 1749[19:25:31] <nvz> then I might do some rub shit like this if I were too lazy to do it right
• 1750[19:25:42] <nvz> and package specific to the distros I will support
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• 1752[19:25:54] <nvz> s/rub/rube/
• 1753[19:26:01] <TheM4rco> ayekat How can I create this link now " third-party kernel modules vendor/lib/modules to /system/lib/modules how do I mount this in the bash script
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• 1759[19:26:43] <ayekat> TheM4rco: I can't answer that question, because I'm still missing a lot of information there
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• 1763[19:27:42] <TheM4rco> ayekat: what information do you need?
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• 1766[19:27:53] <ayekat> what's the content of /vendor/lib/modules? why do you keep mentioning (a non-existent) /system/lib/modules?
• 1767[19:28:00] <TheM4rco> wait
• 1768[19:28:11] <ayekat> do you what you are doing? because mounting something over /lib/modules just like that is also a bad idea
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• 1770[19:28:32] <nvz> in my theory(guess) of what they're doing.. /vendor and /system are on a dom0 kinda host and /lib/modules are on guests
• 1771[19:28:40] <ayekat> also, I have to leave now, but there's plenty of other people in here who can help (if you give them useful information)
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• 1773[19:29:22] <Ankman> is there a way to directly start a second X session on the comand line *and* select a different than the default desktop manager? gnome is default here but i want to start mint. when i execute "startx mate -- :2" (or mate-wm or mate-session) it appears to work but aborts. and there are no EE in the log
• 1774[19:29:28] <nvz> where /vendor is a host provided shared dir and /system is the rootfs of a guest on that system
• 1775[19:29:39] <Ankman> when i just use "startx -- :2" it starts gnome :-(
• 1776[19:29:51] <TheM4rco> replaced-url
• 1777[19:29:57] <Ankman> mate i mean, not mint
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• 1779[19:31:02] <TheM4rco> nvz: support in rootfs
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• 1781[19:31:08] <nvz> Ankman: different ways of starting x may/will read different files but ~/.Xsession or ~/.xinitrc are common
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• 1783[19:31:28] <ayekat> startx uses ~/.xinitrc
• 1784[19:31:33] <nvz> Ankman: putting mate-session or something like choosewm in there would work
• 1785[19:31:39] <nvz> ,i choosewm
• 1786[19:31:40] <judd> Package choosewm (x11, optional) in buster/amd64: fake x-session-manager allowing the user to choose a wm. Version: 0.1.6-3+b2; Size: 17.5k; Installed: 66k; Screenshot: replaced-url
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• 1788[19:32:03] <Ankman> that's what i read too. i hoped there was a direct way though overwriting the default manager in the config files
• 1789[19:32:20] <PyCD21> TheM4rco: do you have the two directories the wrong way round? it's like mount --bind /path/to/existing/dir /path/to/new/mountpoint
• 1790[19:32:33] <nvz> Ankman: well do you use a DM at all?
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• 1793[19:32:59] <nvz> Ankman: cause if first session is already started through a dm, then this isn't an issue, and in fact many dm may have ways to start other sessions
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• 1796[19:33:03] <Ankman> nvz: i have three or four installed
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• 1798[19:33:27] <nvz> Ankman: I'd make use of them.. or nodm if you want them just autologged in to specific sessions
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• 1800[19:33:38] <nvz> this is what display managers are for, to automatically start sessions
• 1801[19:34:05] <Ankman> until past month i could click in the main gnomemenue at my user name and select to switch to a different user. that option is gone for some reason so i hoped start is comes to the rescuue
• 1802[19:34:24] <Ankman> so basically it worked over GDM
• 1803[19:35:16] <nvz> yes well avoiding your DM cause something changed prob is where you're going wrong.. switch DM or otherwise learn to configure whatever DM you choose, and that'll best suit you in this situation
• 1804[19:35:38] <nvz> I have been using lightdm lately.. its not ideal.. but its highly configurable for things like auto login, multiple seats, sessions, etc
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• 1807[19:35:56] <TheM4rco> PyCD21T he problem is also the / system also has a mount to / vendor /system/vendor
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• 1810[19:36:45] <Ankman> umm, i also should mention the second session is run on a different user
• 1811[19:38:18] <nvz> TheM4rco: yes well nobody understands what you got going on there to advise you properly.. but generally speaking if I have /foo mounted to /bar/foo and I want /foo/baz/qux to show up on /bar/baz/qux I can just do that.. and if that directory already exists, I can overlay or such
• 1812[19:38:30] <nvz> TheM4rco: for all I know some sort of overlay mount may be what you want
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• 1814[19:38:51] <nvz> TheM4rco: for some time now binding isnt the only option, you can actually overlay two FS and show both in same place
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• 1816[19:39:01] <nvz> but not with symlinks.. has to be mounts with overlays
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• 1822[19:41:38] <TheM4rco> nvz: I understand your concerns but it is not possible to create a link in / system / lib / modules / after -> / vendor / lib / modules?
• 1823[19:41:56] <nvz> its not possible for any of us to understand a word you're saying
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• 1825[19:42:20] <nvz> I'm doing other things and when I look in and see "link in / system / lib / modules / after -> / vendor / lib / modules" I just ignore all of it
• 1826[19:42:25] <nvz> cause I can't parse wtf it says
• 1827[19:42:37] <nvz> if its a path it should be /system/lib/modules/
• 1828[19:42:55] <nvz> and I should be able to read that at a glance starting with the directory root / of the vfs all the way to the first space
• 1829[19:43:11] <nvz> when i hit a space, thats the end of the path
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• 1831[19:43:15] <jhutchins> TheM4rco: symlinks, which are what you want, not mounts, are persistent between boots.
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• 1833[19:43:55] <TheM4rco> how can I set this
• 1834[19:45:29] <nvz> in my mind you are probably doing some kinda virtual server and trying to link something up.. thats all I know.. and I can't even begin to tell you how to do it cause I have no idea what that setup looks like.. what OSes, filesstems, etc..
• 1835[19:46:29] <nvz> for all I know the VM doesnt follow symlinks, or the fs doesn't support them.. hell if I know
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• 1838[19:47:21] <nvz> if I wanted one directory somewhere else, most the time I'm gonna use a mount, and fstab if I want it persistent
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• 1840[19:47:43] <nvz> mount is WAY more flexible than a symlink and transparent to everything else
• 1841[19:47:56] <nvz> symlinks are highly dependant on OS, FS, VM, etc.. all respecting them
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• 1843[19:48:04] <nvz> otherwise they are just signs that nobody reads
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• 1845[19:49:20] <Ankman> a n00b might have problems to understand this
• 1846[19:49:37] <Ankman> he's reading but fails to implement it
• 1847[19:49:42] <nvz> a symlink is a tretise between all concerned parties, a mount (bind, overlay, or otherwise) is unknown to all but the kernel
• 1848[19:50:56] <nvz> mounts are way down here at the kernel block layer.. symlinks are followed by apps on top of shells on top of fs on top of kernel
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• 1851[19:51:26] <nvz> thats called a stack.. buncha software all working together.. I have no idea what your stack is
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• 1853[19:51:54] <nvz> the stack doesnt know about the mount.. it just sees what the kernel wants it to see
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• 1857[19:54:09] <gouhoband> nvz: that is a great summary. Props
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• 1860[19:55:33] <PyCD21> TheM4rco: does the command 'mount -r -o bind /system/lib/modules $mnt/lib/modules' fail with an error message?
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• 1870[19:59:48] <TheM4rco> PyCD21: yes
• 1871[20:00:10] <PyCD21> TheM4rco: would you then mind telling us, the error message?
• 1872[20:00:11] <TheM4rco> no such file or directory
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• 1878[20:02:22] <Ankman> mount -r -o bind /system/lib/modules /mnt/lib/modules
• 1879[20:02:32] <Ankman> thee was a $ before mnt before
• 1880[20:02:40] <nvz> a bind mount will quash the underlying fs
• 1881[20:02:45] <nvz> overlay won't
• 1882[20:03:10] <Ankman> i use bind to mount directories for my ftp server
• 1883[20:03:14] <nvz> I haven't experimented with it yet.. but its now possible to merge two FS with mounts
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• 1885[20:03:39] <PyCD21> TheM4rco: put a '$busybox mkdir -p $mnt/lib/modules' before the mount command
• 1886[20:03:53] <nvz> I been meaning to fool with it cause I dont know how it determines which FS actually gets written to, how it deals with possible duplicate filenames.. etc
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• 1892[20:08:14] <TheM4rco> PyCD21: oky Thx i test it
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• 1914[20:18:53] <lembron> got a new server, nvme drives with mdadm mirror ontop - munins diskstats plugin reports "99.9% utilization" at all times - while the raid is fine (no rebuilds) and "iotop" doesnt show a single thing going on (0writing 0reading 0%io) -- where to start digging? ;/
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• 1916[20:20:26] <lembron> also everything application wise is stopped (exept base os obvs.) - and if i want to actually use the disks, i smoothly get 600M just fine
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• 1930[20:26:13] <TheM4rco> PyCD21: PyCD21: does not work
• 1931[20:26:37] <PyCD21> TheM4rco: does the mount command still fail with an error message?
• 1932[20:27:46] <TheM4rco> yes
• 1933[20:28:35] <TheM4rco> when I look in / system / lib / no folder modules
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• 1935[20:29:15] <TheM4rco> I only see the folder in system / vendor which is there
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• 1939[20:30:01] <TheM4rco> but the folder is linked with / vendor
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• 1944[20:31:56] <n_1-c_k> lembron, places to dig might be /usr/share/munin/plugins/diskstat* - looks hairy to me, g'luck.
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• 1950[20:34:23] <lembron> it works fine everywhere else - and ive even got other deb10 hosts with i belive even the exact same disks that seem to report fine...
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• 1953[20:35:15] <lembron> (the fine one is pve6 so deb10 - the fresh "borky" one is a vanilla deb10)
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• 1962[20:41:24] <lembron> "35u" disk latency also looks perfectly fine - almost suspecting some number-wrapping to mangle it or so,
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• 1965[20:42:08] <lembron> and checking directly -> cat /sys/block/nvme1n1/stat - 605030940 630555388 and a second later 605036388 630560844 - doesnt look horrific ether rly..
• 1966[20:42:12] <PyCD21> TheM4rco: try this replaced-url
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• 1977[20:45:22] <TheM4rco> PyCD21 Okay Thx i try
• 1978[20:45:41] <aaii> Hi, When i install nginx (apt install nginx ) i faced to this error how i can fix it?
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• 1981[20:46:21] <aaii> dpkg: error processing package nginx (--configure):
• 1982[20:46:21] <aaii> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
• 1983[20:46:21] <aaii> Errors were encountered while processing:
• 1984[20:46:21] <aaii> nginx-full
• 1985[20:46:21] <aaii> nginx
• 1986[20:46:21] <dpkg> aaii: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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• 1991[20:46:56] <aaii> sorry :|
• 1992[20:47:05] <aaii> wrong pastte :////
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• 1994[20:47:32] <aaii> replaced-url
• 1995[20:47:57] <gettype> hi, if you are not busy, i was wonderin if i could ask i question, i am working on mount and i am trying to do mount all files in my iso folder to /mnt. I did bash script for it like for i in {1..3}; do mkdir /mnt/"$i"; done; for i in {1..3}; do mount -o loop filename-"$i".iso /mnt/"$i"; done. But was not satisfactory. Is there an easy method for this?
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• 1999[20:48:48] <f8e3> hey guys, if i livecd start debian besides the main hdd debian, what virus-XY could still screw me over, what type what to google?
• 2000[20:48:58] <f8e3> gettype y might want to try #bash too
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• 2004[20:49:43] <gettype> f8e3: I've tried now.
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• 2006[20:50:01] <TheM4rco> PyCD21: mkdir: can creat directory "/system/lib/modules: Read-only file system -- and mounting /vendor/lib/modules on /system/lib/modules failes no such file or...
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• 2107[21:46:39] <gunix_> Hi, is it possible to install any .deb package with preseed? Just an example: I want to install "pale moon" browser in os installation progress (or after os installation). I don't want to do it manually and there is no network so I can't use puppet, ansible etc.
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• 2111[21:49:24] <TheM4rco> PyCD21: i fix mount -o rw,remount /dev/block/mmcblk0p63 /system <-- to fix Read-only file system but the modules are not empty in the folder / system / lib / modules folder
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• 2116[21:54:21] <notconnected> quick question, are all sata cables the same?
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• 2119[21:54:35] <notconnected> is it up to the controller that determine the speed of the hdd/controller?
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• 2131[22:05:48] <FightingFalcon> How do i install python 3.7.4? apt-get install pyton3.7.4 or something like that?
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• 2137[22:10:07] <mtn> FightingFalcon: is it in the debian repos? replaced-url
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• 2140[22:11:46] <FightingFalcon> i dunno
• 2141[22:11:53] <Habbie> FightingFalcon is getting answers in #python
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• 2147[22:14:18] <FightingFalcon> im not, actually
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• 2150[22:16:25] <mtn> FightingFalcon: did you ever figure out if it is in the repos or not?
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• 2152[22:17:14] <FightingFalcon> Its in the repos
• 2153[22:17:18] <FightingFalcon> but not the latest version
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• 2156[22:18:08] <nkuttler> ,v python3.7
• 2157[22:18:09] <judd> Package: python3.7 on amd64 -- buster: 3.7.3-2; bullseye: 3.7.5-2; sid: 3.7.5-2
• 2158[22:18:26] <nkuttler> ,checkbackport python3.7
• 2159[22:18:27] <judd> Backporting package python3.7 in sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster.
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• 2161[22:18:43] <nkuttler> FightingFalcon: you could backport 3.7.5
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• 2164[22:19:05] <nkuttler> what's wrong with 3.7.3 anyway?
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• 2166[22:20:02] <m0rd3cai> Got a quick question about gnome tracker-miner-fs. All that does is gather and index our online information and content right?
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• 2168[22:20:23] <FightingFalcon> Why shouldnt i get the "latest" version?
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• 2173[22:20:39] <nkuttler> !stable
• 2174[22:20:39] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Buster (10.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). replaced-url
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• 2187[22:27:35] <irvinghuhuh> Hi everyone
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• 2192[22:29:07] <irvinghuhuh> Just a quick question : I have a new laptop with Intel HD Graphics 5500 in it, how can I know if the drivers work properly ? I didn't install graphics drivers yet
• 2193[22:33:25] <abrotman> it likely just works
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• 2195[22:36:00] <SkynetNeverDies> irving you can message me if you want some more detailed instructions to make sure the proper drivers are all installed and configured correctly
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• 2198[22:37:40] <abrotman> please keep it in the channel
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• 2200[22:38:13] <abrotman> irvinghuhuh: "glxinfo" is a reasonable way to check what's going on with your drivers
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• 2215[22:49:16] <jhutchins> Do modern (core 2 duo) motherboards even have floppy connectors any more?
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• 2223[22:57:10] <dob1> only 5 1/4 inches
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• 2230[23:04:39] <DogManJr> How do we convince Arch users Debian is the best?
• 2231[23:04:49] <lupine> why would we?
• 2232[23:04:50] <DogManJr> Wait sorry
• 2233[23:04:58] <DogManJr> This isn't an off topic channel
• 2234[23:04:59] <SkynetNeverDies> lol
• 2235[23:05:08] <EdePopede> !best
• 2236[23:05:08] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
• 2237[23:05:43] <dob1> debian logo is better
• 2238[23:06:15] <EdePopede> for what i've seen here, if your hardware is sns, debian may not necessarily be the best distro to use
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• 2241[23:08:00] <dob1> they are different, archlinux uses rolling releases model, debian has a stable every n years
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• 2243[23:09:04] <DogManJr> I don't really care about bleeding edge stuff, and I have a separate beefier but less portable laptop running Windows for gaming, so Debian is best for me.
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• 2248[23:10:40] <dob1> for you is not for every one+
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• 2253[23:12:12] <DogManJr> I know :) I was joking in the beginning but I meant to send that in the offtopic channel
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• 2258[23:21:06] <gunix_> I couldn't show destination of preseed.cfg on virtualbox, I'm not using netbooting tried preseed/file=/cdrom/preseed.cfg and preseed/file=/hd-media/preseed.cfg
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• 2260[23:21:20] <gunix_> any help?
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• 2274[23:32:29] <gyuma1etyr> Hi
• 2275[23:32:31] <gyuma1etyr> How to disable internet for one particular user?
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• 2277[23:33:23] <gyuma1etyr> How would you do this?
• 2278[23:33:26] <gyuma1etyr> from command line?
• 2279[23:33:28] <gyuma1etyr> a GUI tool?
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• 2281[23:34:56] <dob1> just for the browser or for everything?
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• 2288[23:36:06] <gyuma1etyr> dob1, for everything
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• 2291[23:36:36] <dob1> he will be the only one connected to the pc ?
• 2292[23:37:32] <dob1> I don't know how to do it, but I was thinking at some hook at login/logout with an iptables rules to drop everything in output and delete the rule on logout
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• 2294[23:37:58] <whislock> gyuma1etyr: What is the actual problem leading you to want to do this?
• 2295[23:38:13] <gyuma1etyr> it's for my 8 yo son, I'm ok that he learns about computer, etc.
• 2296[23:38:18] <gyuma1etyr> but not go on internet alone ;)
• 2297[23:38:25] <whislock> Then supervise your child.
• 2298[23:38:26] <DogManJr> Regardless of the actual problem, it's an interesting question
• 2299[23:38:50] <whislock> There are also technical solutions like OpenDNS that will allow you to filter content.
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• 2302[23:42:07] <dob1> you can also use some public list for filtering contents using dnsmasq. similar to what pi-hole do
• 2303[23:43:04] <gyuma1etyr> For now, I would like him to give total freedom on computer but *without* internet at all
• 2304[23:43:22] <aaro> content filter is a real issue becasue you don't need to leave google page to watch al kind of images and videos, so first thing you should do is activate safesearch in google options
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• 2307[23:43:40] <gyuma1etyr> Like I did when I was a child: I was allowed to do anything on it, but internet didn't exis :p
• 2308[23:43:47] <gyuma1etyr> so i started programming etc. ;)
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• 2310[23:44:32] <whislock> aaro: Content filtering has come a long way since "what domain is it?"
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• 2312[23:44:55] <whislock> gyuma1etyr: That's fine, but this is not when you grew up. There are better solutions than "shut off the internet."
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• 2314[23:45:14] <gyuma1etyr> whislock, of course yes.
• 2315[23:45:25] <gyuma1etyr> Shut off the internet when he's alone with computer
• 2316[23:45:42] <whislock> Or... Utilize effective content filtering, as said previously.
• 2317[23:45:43] <gyuma1etyr> Turn on internet when we dedicate time to learn together with him how to use it
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• 2319[23:46:12] <gyuma1etyr> but these parenting questions apart, technically, how would you shut internet for a specific linux user?
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• 2321[23:46:51] <whislock> It's quite simple using iptables. Search results are rife with the answer.
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• 2323[23:48:06] <whislock> Something to the tune of 'iptables -A OUTPUT -p all -m owner --uid-owner <username> -j DROP'
• 2324[23:48:38] <gyuma1etyr> ok...
• 2325[23:48:39] <dob1> you can do this with iptables ? identify the user?
• 2326[23:48:43] <gyuma1etyr> and to make it permanent?
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• 2328[23:48:54] <gyuma1etyr> it was probably /etc/rc.local
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• 2330[23:48:58] <gyuma1etyr> but now with systemd?
• 2331[23:49:18] <maqr> can someone kick me in the right direction on how to build a patched dpkg? i'm trying to patch/rebuild dropbear-initramfs, but apt-get source is telling me i should git clone instead (even though it downloads packages)
• 2332[23:49:24] <whislock> ,v iptables-persistent
• 2333[23:49:26] <judd> Package: iptables-persistent on amd64 -- jessie: 1.0.3+deb8u1; stretch: 1.0.4+nmu2; buster: 1.0.11; buster-backports: 1.0.14~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1.0.14; sid: 1.0.14
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• 2335[23:50:34] <whislock> Install that, and 'iptables-save > /etc/iptables/rules.v4'
• 2336[23:51:34] <gyuma1etyr> whislock, except this, is there an equivalent of ~/.bashrc that gets executes everytime a user logs with the GUI?
• 2337[23:51:52] <whislock> gyuma1etyr: This doesn't seem related to your original question. Am I incorrect?
• 2338[23:52:20] <gyuma1etyr> it is, I often have this problem: how to do something everytime someone logs in?
• 2339[23:52:30] <gyuma1etyr> here it would be: iptables -A OUTPUT -p all -m owner --uid-owner <username> -j DROP
• 2340[23:52:35] <whislock> No, it wouldn't be.
• 2341[23:52:59] <whislock> Lesson 1 of security controls: Do not impose a control as the user you're controlling. That means that that user can also REMOVE the control.
• 2342[23:53:33] <whislock> gyuma1etyr: Do what I said. As root, add that iptables rule. Then iptables-save it, and install iptables-persistent.
• 2343[23:53:55] <gyuma1etyr> Ok I'll try this
• 2344[23:54:17] <gyuma1etyr> but anyway, just to learn things, what's the equivalent of bashrc for "I logged in with GUI / window manager"?
• 2345[23:54:51] <whislock> Haven't the faintest idea.
• 2346[23:55:22] <whislock> gyuma1etyr: A word of caution: Never underestimate the power of 8 year old children behind a keyboard.
• 2347[23:55:54] <gyuma1etyr> hehe yes
• 2348[23:56:12] <gyuma1etyr> If he can revert the iptables trick with no internet to teach him how to do it
• 2349[23:56:22] <gyuma1etyr> then he's won, and deserves full internet ;)
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• 2351[23:56:39] <whislock> When I was your son's age, I was learning machine language programming on a Commodore 64, getting lazy, and writing an assembler in basic.
• 2352[23:57:11] <gyuma1etyr> haha good old times. same for me in Pascal, and a little bit of ASM 1 or 2 years later :p
• 2353[23:57:26] <gyuma1etyr> with a 286
• 2354[23:57:27] <whislock> Those WERE the good old times. :)
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• 2359[23:57:56] <dvs> fogies!
• 2360[23:58:00] <dvs> ;-)
• 2361[23:58:42] <gyuma1etyr> hehe
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