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0 [00:00:36] <mumu63> somiaj maybe time to fork apt apt-get
1 [00:00:55] <somiaj> this has nothing to do with apt, it is the .deb that is being installed
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3 [00:01:18] <somiaj> and dpkg can install .deb's in custom locations, but this often won't help.
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5 [00:02:04] <somiaj> using .deb's not built for the debian release you are using to install thrid party software can break tings, and is never the suggested way to install third party software.
6 [00:02:43] <mumu63> somiaj update your ldconf and /opt/usr/lib will be searchable
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8 [00:05:13] <mumu63> i mention this thinking at ubuntu and/or another flavor
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12 [00:06:33] <bay-max> " <somiaj> using .deb's not built for the debian release you are using to install thrid party software can break tings, and is never the suggested way to install third party software. " <- I don't think that that is always true. For example, replaced-url
13 [00:07:03] <bay-max> That is, gzdoom is what I meant with that link.
14 [00:07:45] <mumu63> the problem is library conflict
15 [00:07:53] <mumu63> with same name
16 [00:08:07] <mumu63> but different path
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18 [00:08:21] <bay-max> Yeah that is never a good thing.
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21 [00:08:39] <mumu63> something like mesa opengl and nvidia opengl
22 [00:08:47] <mumu63> mesa libs
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27 [00:11:15] <mumu63> confusing window-manager about libs
28 [00:11:15] <mumu63> opengl libs
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30 [00:12:13] <somiaj> bay-max: if something is built to work on various versions of debian, I would say it is built with debian in mind. Most PPA's don't fall into this category, they are built with only ubuntu in mind.
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34 [00:13:30] <somiaj> yes some thrid party builds nice .debs, but over all I find this rare. Even places that say they build .debs for debian often build poor quality packages. In any case one should make sure the packages they are installing are built to be compadable with the release they are using.
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39 [00:14:33] <somiaj> but #debian only supports packages built by debian, and the don't break debian guidelines are decent for installing third party software.
40 [00:14:43] <mumu63> because of that should be good to go by ubuntu or any flavor do not "polute" standard build
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42 [00:15:09] <mumu63> and keep debian compatibility
43 [00:15:46] <mumu63> u will not suffer about a poor ppa quality
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47 [00:17:15] <mumu63> or minimize effects
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58 [00:22:23] <mumu63> for ex: /opt/ppa/usr/lib /opt/ppa/usr/bin
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60 [00:22:34] <mumu63> and update your /etc/ld.so.conf
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66 [00:24:49] <mumu63> and a apt apt-get install path modification
67 [00:24:50] <mumu63> to a a fork of these
68 [00:24:50] <mumu63> or link, maybe a alias
69 [00:24:51] <mumu63> custom link
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92 [00:45:38] <ksk> using Firefox ESR on buster, and recently having more of these "Messages from firefox" - Can I somehow easily disable them?
93 [00:46:00] <ksk> (things like: "register now, to get bookmark sync")
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99 [00:51:49] <sponix> ksk: what do you mean "messages from firefox" ?
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101 [00:53:08] <somiaj> ksk: have you searched through the options?
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104 [00:54:01] <ksk> sponix: I already gave the one example, the text is: "Having a Firefox Account and not using Sync is like going to the carnival and not riding the Ferris Wheel. Don’t miss out. "
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106 [00:54:40] <sponix> ksk: Oh.. in that case, use the Sync feature -- and you won't receive those messages lol
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109 [00:55:15] <ksk> I kind of did ask this, to imply the question "why did debian think it would be a good idea to keep this feature" - maybe ;)
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111 [00:55:53] <somiaj> ksk: I am not seeing any bug reports about this. But if you can't find a way to disable it, maybe file a minor bug asking this to be disabled.
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113 [00:57:21] <sponix> replaced-url
114 [00:57:40] <ksk> Yeah I just found that. many thanks :)
115 [00:57:51] <sponix> replaced-url
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117 [00:58:23] <sponix> Yeah.. I Googled -> firefox about:config sync messages
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141 [01:08:27] <giryoutube> replaced-url
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159 [01:30:16] <plantroon> I removed a disk from mdadm raid1 array. When starting the server though, it doesn't start as degraded but inactive and sets the disk as spare (S) - I want the array to start degraded but it doesn't. Does anyone else have a similar need/problem? I can fix this by hacking around initramfs's mdadm scripts
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173 [01:36:51] <jxel> hiii
174 [01:36:53] <jxel> how are we all
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176 [01:39:53] <annadane> tired and grumpy
177 [01:40:05] <sponix> plantroon: I do ZFS and things work as expected
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267 [02:51:35] <ahi2> fresh install 10.2 networking.service loaded but failed. anyone else have this?
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278 [03:02:37] <sponix> ahi2: no, my networking does okay
279 [03:02:54] <ahi2> hmm
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286 [03:05:02] <filpAM> s
287 [03:07:01] <sponix> ahi2: tried checking some dmesg, syslog, and so forth ?
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308 [03:23:43] <ahi2> fixed failed networking service by changing "auto eth0" to "allow-hotplug eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces.d/setup
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326 [03:38:18] <blueskies> i haven't used my laptop ina while and have forgotten my password. It is set to autologin. Trying to figure out how to fix my password??
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330 [03:40:14] <mutante> blueskies: does autologin mean you don't need a password?
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332 [03:41:31] <blueskies> to get to desktop. I need to fix my password to be able to update, install , etc
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336 [03:43:02] <mutante> blueskies: open a terminal and type "passwd"
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338 [03:43:54] <blueskies> right.. if I remembered my password i could do that
339 [03:43:58] <mutante> blueskies: ah.. wait.. so first become root and then use "passwd blueskies"
340 [03:44:42] <mutante> either you have sudo without password, then you can "sudo su -" or you use "root" as user and remember that other password
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345 [03:46:06] <mutante> if you dont remember either then boot from another medium and mount the disk and then edit directly /etc/shadow and replace the hashed password with a hash of a password you know
346 [03:46:44] <mutante> like you can first create a new user, give it a known pass..then copy/paste the hash to your other user.
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370 [04:08:42] <jeddi> or just go straight to single user mode via grub at boot.
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416 [04:51:28] <annadane> sorry, i've searched and can't find this, how do you enable popcon?
417 [04:54:52] <dvs> annadane, I though you just needed to install the package.
418 [04:55:02] <annadane> oh i don't even have it installed
419 [04:55:07] <annadane> thaaat's why
420 [04:55:15] <dvs> ,v popularity-contest
421 [04:55:16] <judd> Package: popularity-contest on amd64 -- jessie: 1.61; stretch: 1.64; buster: 1.67; bullseye: 1.69; sid: 1.69
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423 [04:55:47] <annadane> it's because if you select 'no' in the installer it still says "configuring popcon" or whatever
424 [04:55:55] <annadane> so i just assumed it's installed but just not activated
425 [04:55:59] <annadane> i'm smart, aren't i?...
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428 [04:56:09] <dvs> !prize annadane
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773 [09:24:24] <Haohmaru> maqr u so familiar
774 [09:24:55] <maqr> i dunno, i haven't been around for a while
775 [09:25:16] <Haohmaru> that's your sin
776 [09:25:24] <maqr> true
777 [09:25:33] <Haohmaru> musicdsp?
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779 [09:25:39] <maqr> oh shit, yeah, probably
780 [09:25:43] <Haohmaru> >:)
781 [09:25:49] <Haohmaru> hai there
782 [09:26:03] <maqr> haha hey :) that was *long* time ago, like 10 years, i can't believe you remember my nick
783 [09:26:13] <Haohmaru> bruh
784 [09:26:18] <maqr> yours looks familiar now too though
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786 [09:26:59] <Haohmaru> iz iz my job nickname
787 [09:27:02] * Haohmaru == antto
788 [09:27:35] <maqr> well it's good to be back on irc, i'm re-linuxifying my life
789 [09:27:44] <Haohmaru> nice
790 [09:28:10] <maqr> i got sucked into corporate nonsense for too many years, now i'm trying to reclaim my soul :P
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792 [09:28:47] <maqr> Haohmaru: i gotta get to bed, but it's good to see some old names around :)
793 [09:29:12] <Haohmaru> ;]
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795 [09:30:07] <dman3> hello, will low ram cause a linux debian vm to not boot and hang on black screen? cpu is 2gb. vm has 1gb allocated. thankyou
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797 [09:31:24] <Habbie> dman3, what do you mean, 'cpu is 2gb'?
798 [09:31:29] <EdFletcherT137> dman3: low memory can cause all manner of strange behavior in linux
799 [09:31:36] <strongestAvenger> prolly 2ghz :)
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801 [09:31:47] <Habbie> strongestAvenger, probably :)
802 [09:31:51] <dman3> i mean cpu is 2gbs of ram and the vm has half allocated
803 [09:31:55] <Habbie> right
804 [09:32:00] <Habbie> 1gb should be plenty to boot for most setups
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809 [09:33:15] <Habbie> most of my VMs are 1gb
810 [09:33:45] <dman3> should it be enough to boot whonix or buscador linux because both hang on black screen. if not does anyone know what might cause thiss issue.
811 [09:34:06] <Habbie> oh, i thought you had a debian question
812 [09:34:23] <dman3> buscador is debian based
813 [09:34:29] <dman3> sorry
814 [09:34:32] <Habbie> but it's not debian
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816 [09:34:45] <Habbie> !based on debian
817 [09:34:45] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
818 [09:35:07] <Habbie> it is a good idea to try to boot real debian
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821 [09:35:33] <dman3> oh ok thanks for your help
822 [09:35:35] <ratrace> 1GB of RAM is likely not the cause of boot black screen and hanging, if by "black screen" you mean kernel output _before_ xorg tries to use the gpu
823 [09:35:55] <ratrace> I mean, if you do NOT see that output, then that's not the cause
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826 [09:36:40] <dman3> i will try to boot real debian and see what happens
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830 [09:39:22] <muhaha> how to replace systemd-resolved? resolvconf+dnsmasq ?
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832 [09:42:07] <ratrace> muhaha: for what exactly? dhcp/dhclient can configure resolv.conf so at minimum you don't anything for it
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849 [09:52:05] <ranika_> #elasticsearch
850 [09:52:10] <ranika_> #elasticsearch
851 [09:52:35] <ranika_> exit
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860 [09:58:50] <wrksx> Mornin
861 [09:59:14] <wrksx> Just got locked out installing the fail2ban package
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863 [09:59:52] <wrksx> I forgot about that feeling
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870 [10:01:36] <wrksx> Hum, connection went back up, my bad.
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873 [10:02:25] <wrksx> Dunno what was happening behind the curtain, but the server would refuse ssh connections and suddently it came back. A few minutes after the install completed
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877 [10:05:45] <wrksx> Logs shows I was banned from 09:56:00 to 09:59:34
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898 [10:17:13] <waf00f> Bonjour
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942 [10:50:35] <wrksx> It seems that fail2ban read past logs on it's first run and blocked my IP based on PAST repeated failed login. Does someone now about this behavior?
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946 [10:54:21] <jelly> wrksx: I noticed that, it rereads the whole file on restart. But it also obeys "findtime"
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950 [10:55:54] <wrksx> jelly: oh, so it's gonna do that on each start. Not that it's going to restart often though.
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952 [10:56:48] <jelly> keeping track of file name, inode and what it parsed already is HARD
953 [10:57:21] <jelly> there I go, breaking my no sarcasm rule again
954 [10:57:53] <wrksx> jelly: I dunno about findtime, gonna check this out might be usefull if you mentionned it
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956 [10:58:52] <jelly> wrksx: man 5 jail.conf
957 [10:59:16] <wrksx> jelly: ah thx
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969 [11:01:15] <muhaha> ratrace: I would like to add some vhost aliases...
970 [11:01:37] <muhaha> of course I can edit /etc/hosts, but its not so easy to do it programatically
971 [11:01:44] <muhaha> in idepotent way
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975 [11:04:26] <jelly> muhaha: this is why we have DNS now
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977 [11:04:52] <jelly> someone figured out editing hosts files was HARD in 1987 or so
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982 [11:06:10] <muhaha> jelly: yes, but its a poc and I dont need to setup dns for that...
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985 [11:06:46] <jelly> it's it's a PoC you don't need to worrt about idempotency?
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993 [11:15:12] <muhaha> well, if something like /etc/host.d/ existis then its perfectly ok to add / remove files, but parsing /etc/hosts is little bit op
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1035 [11:56:34] <wrksx> I just made a test trying to ssh to my server, with 3 wrong passwords. It just logged 2 failed attempt in /var/log/auth.log. Is that somehow the expected behavior?
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1059 [12:08:13] <Kyros> If i remember correctly you need to configure fail2ban for like x failed login attempts in y amount of time
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1064 [12:08:49] <moistmoskito> o/ hi all ... first time installing debian
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1066 [12:09:19] <moistmoskito> wondering if it requires a reinstall on version updates
1067 [12:09:26] <moistmoskito> im used to rolling release distros
1068 [12:09:55] <Kyros> You can smoothly upgrade to minor releases such as 10.0 to 10.1 etc
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1070 [12:10:21] <Kyros> I'm not exactly sure about major ones. I personally just do a fresh install because it doesnt happen often
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1074 [12:11:34] <moistmoskito> is buster recent as well?
1075 [12:11:40] <moistmoskito> i should just look
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1077 [12:12:07] <Kyros> it's the newest stable
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1084 [12:14:30] <moistmoskito> by not often is it on a schedule? or just rare. i know debian is stable package release wise, so i assume it may be up to a year between releases
1085 [12:15:31] <DrOwl> replaced-url
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1087 [12:16:02] <moistmoskito> oh thank you. sry for the questions just unfamiliar with the site
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1090 [12:16:48] <DrOwl> upgrading the release is not to dificult mostly just a matter or adding the new repos and a few iterations of apt-get update / upgrade / dist-upgrade
1091 [12:16:51] <moistmoskito> so up to 5 years on a release. essentially the life of a laptop
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1093 [12:19:42] <moistmoskito> okay i switched from arch just to get away from constant updates so outside of learning apt and apt-get i shouldnt have too much trouble it seems
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1098 [12:23:25] <DrOwl> yes and if you dont want "automatic" major version updates you can point your sources at a specific version...
1099 [12:23:38] <[sID]> :]
1100 [12:24:12] <moistmoskito> looking at the tree seems even old versions get security updates to a point
1101 [12:24:25] <moistmoskito> appreciate it
1102 [12:24:45] <DrOwl> I tend to set up my sources like "deb replaced-url
1103 [12:25:28] <DrOwl> as aposed to "deb replaced-url
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1105 [12:26:12] <moistmoskito> yea had to set up mirrors manually as i needed wifi firmware
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1109 [12:26:24] <moistmoskito> so i did explicitly name the version
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1134 [12:47:08] <Reventlov> Hey
1135 [12:47:32] <moistmoskito> o/
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1143 [12:51:47] <moistmoskito> is installing a boot splash simple enough in debian? was a useless nightmare in arch
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1149 [12:54:27] <moistmoskito> hmmm seems i need to find a way to do prop nvidia kms
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1174 [13:04:19] <moistmoskito> so update-grub does not exist.... is this something i need to install?
1175 [13:04:29] <moistmoskito> pardon my ignorance on the matter
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1184 [13:07:25] <towo^work> moistmoskito, replaced-url
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1187 [13:09:27] <moistmoskito> two^work seems update-grub2 is in /usr/sbin ... can i safely run sh update-grub2
1188 [13:09:48] <towo^work> are you sure, you use deboan?
1189 [13:09:51] <towo^work> *debian
1190 [13:09:59] <towo^work> there is allway update-grub
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1193 [13:10:57] <moistmoskito> well wiki says since uefi i should run update-grub2
1194 [13:11:23] <towo^work> i'm using EFI since ages, never used update-grub2
1195 [13:11:24] <moistmoskito> and yes ... im on debian
1196 [13:11:24] <jelly> judd: file update-grub2
1197 [13:11:30] <judd> Search for update-grub2 in buster/amd64: grub2-common: usr/sbin/update-grub2
1198 [13:11:40] <jelly> judd: file update-grub$
1199 [13:11:44] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
1200 [13:11:54] <towo^work> update-grub2 is a symlink to update-grub
1201 [13:12:03] <jelly> judd: file bin/update-grub
1202 [13:12:07] <judd> Search for bin/update-grub in buster/amd64: grub2-common: usr/sbin/update-grub; grub-legacy: usr/sbin/update-grub
1203 [13:12:54] <moistmoskito> yea however update-grub doesnt work from command line... though it is there
1204 [13:13:23] <jelly> moistmoskito: how are you becoming root?
1205 [13:13:26] <towo^work> moistmoskito, you should use su - instead of su
1206 [13:13:50] <moistmoskito> su instead of su? well i have been using su
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1208 [13:13:59] <towo^work> su -
1209 [13:14:01] <jelly> specifically "su -"
1210 [13:14:02] <towo^work> open your eyes
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1212 [13:14:28] <jelly> !buster su
1213 [13:14:29] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To use the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
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1218 [13:16:52] <moistmoskito> if i have only edited some text, and done some package install as su that isnt gonna cause instability no?
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1224 [13:21:07] <xzcvczx> apt info <pkg> .... "N: there is 1 additional record. Please use the '-a' switch to see it"...... apt info -a <pkg> ...."E: Command line option 'a' [from -a] is not understood in combination with the other options".... err huh wtf
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1226 [13:22:42] <xzcvczx> ah it only works with show not with info
1227 [13:22:44] <jelly> xzcvczx: which package generates that first N: output?
1228 [13:23:00] <xzcvczx> nodejs because i have added the nodesource for version 8
1229 [13:24:12] <jelly> xzcvczx: use "reportbug" to check if it's already reported, and report as a bug if not please
1230 [13:25:21] <xzcvczx> reportbug
1231 [13:25:26] <jelly> !reportbug
1232 [13:25:26] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
1233 [13:25:30] <xzcvczx> ah my bad
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1250 [13:33:24] <moistmoskito> said n done ty all and sry for the misunderstanding about su- and su ... i switched to debian from arch cause i have cognitive decline... so know that im gonna ask silly questions or be completely confused by answers from time to time <3
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1260 [13:39:57] <xzcvczx> jelly: thanks, reportbug is pretty dang nice i must say :)
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1265 [13:43:53] <xzcvczx> Haohmaru: stop stalking me dagnammit
1266 [13:44:09] <Haohmaru> no, u
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1284 [13:54:11] <benja> hi
1285 [13:54:18] <nvz> hello
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1288 [13:54:55] <benja> could it be that /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper/Buildsystem/meson.pm is missing $this->{buildcmd} = "meson"; ?
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1290 [13:55:51] <benja> because it is failing on me with
1291 [13:55:54] <benja> dh_auto_test -a -O--buildsystem=meson\+ninja
1292 [13:55:55] <benja> Use of uninitialized value $word in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper/Dh_Lib.pm line 401.
1293 [13:55:57] <benja> Use of uninitialized value $word in substitution (s///) at /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper/Dh_Lib.pm line 414.
1294 [13:56:00] <benja> Use of uninitialized value $ret[0] in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper/Dh_Lib.pm line 418.
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1297 [13:56:21] <benja> sorry for the flood...
1298 [13:56:37] <GenTooMan> it suggests using the paste bin in the topic
1299 [13:56:46] <benja> i'll try with compat 12 and see what i got
1300 [13:56:51] <benja> ah right good suggestion
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1306 [13:58:27] <nvz> you may also want to join OFTC thats where the official channels and more developers hang out
1307 [13:58:56] <benja> ah ok
1308 [13:59:05] <nvz> replaced-url
1309 [13:59:23] <benja> thanks
1310 [13:59:33] <nvz> more likely to get packaging questions solved in places like #debian-mentors (OFTC)
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1315 [14:00:29] <Guest37117> hi
1316 [14:00:36] <moistmoskito> o/
1317 [14:00:51] <Guest37117> what USB wifi adaptors work on the debian linux?
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1319 [14:01:42] <moistmoskito> depends if you use nonfree in sources, or are seeking a foss one
1320 [14:01:52] <dvs> Guest37117, it depends what chipset it has
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1322 [14:02:24] <Guest37117> thanks
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1325 [14:02:48] <Guest37117> I'm ok to use nonfree, as long as it will work
1326 [14:02:55] <Guest37117> I bought one which does not work even with nonfree firmware
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1328 [14:03:07] <Guest37117> what should i learn about chipset?
1329 [14:03:10] <moistmoskito> do you know the chipset?
1330 [14:03:28] <moistmoskito> and does itshow up in lsusb
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1333 [14:03:46] <OerHeks> good start replaced-url
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1336 [14:04:33] <nvz> Guest37117: how does it not work? Doesn't show iup as an interface? or scans and doesnt connect?
1337 [14:04:36] <dvs> or here replaced-url
1338 [14:05:38] <moistmoskito> pardon i meant lspci
1339 [14:05:54] <nvz> lspci will tell you nothing about a usb wifi adapter
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1341 [14:06:33] <nvz> there are known issues with wifi and predictable interface names.. which is why I asked about the symptoms
1342 [14:06:48] <Guest37117> originally nothing happened at all when i plugged it in
1343 [14:07:01] <nvz> then you loaded the firmware..
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1345 [14:07:28] * nvz says with a falsetto chinese accent "an den..."
1346 [14:07:34] <Guest37117> i installed some firmware from github using dkms and then i see access points with it, but i can't connect - when I tried to connect it just repeatedly asked for the password
1347 [14:08:10] <nvz> Guest37117: edit /etc/default/grub change the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" to read GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0
1348 [14:08:16] <nvz> meh
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1350 [14:08:25] <nvz> hit enter prematurely withoyut the closing "
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1352 [14:08:37] <nvz> either way, save that file with changes, run update-grub and reboot
1353 [14:08:45] <nvz> see if this resolves the issue
1354 [14:09:01] <Guest37117> ok ill try it
1355 [14:09:02] <nvz> sounds like the predictable ifnames issue to me
1356 [14:09:25] <nvz> you'll get scanning, and it'll try connect but it'll be forcibly deauthing right away
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1358 [14:09:54] <nvz> the issue has never been run down cause the people with the experience to figure out exactly what the problem is don't have affected adapters to test
1359 [14:10:13] <nvz> but I've documented at least 3 different ones affected by this so far
1360 [14:10:36] <moistmoskito> nvz is this for usb adaptars specificly?
1361 [14:10:52] <Guest37117> I'll try rebooting now then, thank you - brb
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1363 [14:10:58] <nvz> I've only documented in usb adapters and te problem is thought to be in firmware
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1365 [14:11:10] <nvz> possibly due to the LENGTH of the ifname
1366 [14:11:33] <nvz> but I couldnt get systemd to cooperate with even renaming the interfaces to try names of different lengths
1367 [14:11:55] <nvz> someone needs to have an affected adapter and test this kinda crap out and get back to Michael about it
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1369 [14:13:08] <nvz> I think he'd closed the bug I had cause nobody ever followed up
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1372 [14:13:33] <nvz> I can't find the adapter I had here that did it.. the Netgear WG111v3 w/ RTL8168B orw/e it was
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1375 [14:13:51] <B|ack0p> hi
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1381 [14:14:25] <nvz> #933976
1382 [14:14:26] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1383 [14:14:35] <nvz> #933967
1384 [14:14:36] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1390 [14:15:19] <nvz> if you have an affected adapter email to 933967@bugs.debian.org and include the output of lsusb showing the id numbers of the adapter
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1392 [14:15:34] <nvz> and if you can help test things on it that would probably help get it solved
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1394 [14:15:50] <nvz> for now, the workaround is to disable predictable naming
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1401 [14:19:13] <moistmoskito> out of curiosity what is the difference in purpose of the debian irc and the freenode channel
1402 [14:19:24] <petn-randall> !debian irc
1403 [14:19:34] * petn-randall pokes the bot.
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1405 [14:19:52] <petn-randall> Oh wait, the factoid was another one.
1406 [14:19:54] <petn-randall> !irc move
1407 [14:19:54] <dpkg> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see replaced-url
1408 [14:19:58] <petn-randall> moistmoskito: ^^^
1409 [14:20:30] <annadane> freenode's is a bit more active and you're probably more likely to get an answer in freenode
1410 [14:20:35] <moistmoskito> oh okay ...so there is nothing neccessary to watch for in there
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1412 [14:21:09] <debian_> thanks i tried the grub command line change and it made my interface wlan0 but i still get the password asked repeatedly
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1414 [14:21:55] <petn-randall> debian_: The password for what?
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1416 [14:22:03] <debian_> to connect to my router
1417 [14:22:06] <dvs> WiFi I assume
1418 [14:22:16] <debian_> i also tried without password but it cannot connect still
1419 [14:22:25] <debian_> (i mean in router settings changed it to plaintext)
1420 [14:22:33] <debian_> replaced-url
1421 [14:22:39] <nvz> moistmoskito: this is the original channel.. we are just users helping users with general issues..
1422 [14:22:40] <debian_> this was what i followed to get the firmware in place
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1424 [14:22:55] <debian_> but I think i may need to return this and buy a different wifi dongle
1425 [14:23:08] <debian_> i cant figure out what one is good for debian linux though
1426 [14:23:33] <nvz> I have a cisco one here and a little generic nubby one that both work
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1430 [14:24:38] <nvz> and the netgear WG111v3 that had the issue with the ifnames worked fine with legacy naming
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1433 [14:25:05] <debian_> oh i shoudl try the old one that didn't work now that I changed the grub command line
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1435 [14:25:19] <nvz> certainly worth a shot
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1437 [14:25:42] <nvz> and I'd recommend documenting the lsusb id info on the BTS if its one of the affected adapters
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1439 [14:26:08] <nvz> email to 933967@bugs.debian.org and append the report
1440 [14:27:26] <nvz> though someone who can test various length ifnames on such an adapter would be more useful than continuing to list affected adapters
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1445 [14:28:24] <nvz> the hunch is the firmware somehow choaks on ifname length, but without being able to reprodce the issue and figure out exactly where the limitation is.. it'll never get resolved
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1447 [14:28:43] <nvz> personally I'd pay the few bucks to get an adapter I know does it for someone who could fix the damn thing :P
1448 [14:29:40] <nvz> cause I found it annoying and it took me a long time to figure out as much as I did.. and I know its affecting a lot of people
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1451 [14:30:48] <nvz> maybe when I have some spare time I can setup some kinda crowdfund to raise money to motivate someone to look into it more.
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1453 [14:31:33] <nvz> if its in proprietary firmware, most we could do is work around it more effectively I suppose
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1469 [14:41:19] <moistmoskito> is there anything similar to the aur in debian?
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1471 [14:42:10] <moistmoskito> like a community maintained repo... just noticing some things i would add if we have one
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1473 [14:42:29] <annadane> not really
1474 [14:42:32] <annadane> however...
1475 [14:42:33] <annadane> !wnpp
1476 [14:42:33] <dpkg> For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at replaced-url
1477 [14:44:45] <moistmoskito> well what do you know they are already on that list tyvm
1478 [14:46:01] <annadane> moistmoskito, also, keep in mind there basically never will be any new software in debian stable as packages and their versions are (mostly) fixed. you have to wait for next stable or maybe the packages in question get added to backports
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1480 [14:46:19] <annadane> unless you run testing/unstable
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1495 [14:51:27] <moistmoskito> annadane: thnx for info... so not only are versions fairly locked outside of neccessary fixes but no new additions either if i understand correctly
1496 [14:51:43] <annadane> sort of. there are exceptions
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1499 [14:52:08] <greycat> /msg dpkg stable
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1501 [14:52:47] <moistmoskito> may i ask then, as i really dont enjoy windows at all, i have been searching for a low maitenance distro with good reputation
1502 [14:52:54] <annadane> you've found it
1503 [14:52:58] <moistmoskito> and seems debian will fill that void
1504 [14:53:02] <Delta706> debian is good
1505 [14:53:21] <dvs> once things are set up, it's solid
1506 [14:53:46] <moistmoskito> good. ive been looking for a set and forget distro.... can't do maitenance anymore
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1509 [14:55:02] <moistmoskito> many i have looked at either have poor support on my laptop, or require a lot of work like arch which i used for like 10 years
1510 [14:56:26] <annadane> debian may have poor support for your laptop, because it doesn't include non free software like firmware by default. but you can add it
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1512 [14:56:56] <moistmoskito> yea thats done already
1513 [14:57:10] <moistmoskito> had to hardwire to set it up but not a big deal
1514 [14:57:35] <greycat> using the unofficial non-free firmware installer helps in a lot of cases
1515 [14:57:37] <debian_> sorry how do i get a netgear wg111v3 to work with debian?
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1517 [14:57:42] <debian_> replaced-url
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1521 [14:58:07] <moistmoskito> debian_: that page is for a realtek chip so netgear wont apply there
1522 [14:58:30] <moistmoskito> unless they use realtek chips ... which was not my experience
1523 [14:58:41] <debian_> and i've installed firmware-realtek and r8168-dkms
1524 [14:58:43] <nvz> the wg111v3 worked fine for me disabling predictable ifnames
1525 [14:58:53] <greycat> use "lspci -nn" or "lsusb" to see what the device actually is
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1528 [14:59:51] <debian_> its working!
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1530 [14:59:52] <debian_> thanks a lot
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1540 [15:03:16] <debian> yeah i am connected through wireless now, cheers again
1541 [15:03:29] <dvs> what fixed it?
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1543 [15:03:36] <Guest56567> the grub command line thing
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1545 [15:03:57] <dvs> !nvz++
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1551 [15:06:03] <Funkin-Stoopid> hello
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1554 [15:06:48] <Funkin-Stoopid> I have a bug with the floatbar of xfreerdp and I have no idea how to fix it
1555 [15:07:10] <Funkin-Stoopid> replaced-url
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1558 [15:08:38] <Funkin-Stoopid> I tried the packages of each version (buster,testing/unstable) and nothing work
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1560 [15:09:02] <Funkin-Stoopid> I even compiled from github
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1563 [15:09:18] <Funkin-Stoopid> replaced-url
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1581 [15:14:40] <moistmoskito> qtwebengine in debian i assume would be built without proprietary codecs.... if this is so is there an alternative in nonfree ? looking online for one
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1628 [15:37:50] <karlpinc> moistmoskito: Why don't you look with apt (etc.)? Random advice from strangers is not the option of first resort.
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1631 [15:38:22] <lagzilla> I deleted my php.ini in /etc/php/7.3/cli due to a bad script. apt-get install php-cli --reinstall is creating a new one
1632 [15:38:45] <lagzilla> I also tried apt purge php-cli and it still didn't work
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1637 [15:39:29] <whislock> lagzilla: php-cli is a metapackage. It essentially owns no files.
1638 [15:39:31] <jaggz> icedove won't run.. its openat() calls to load files in /home/jaggz/.config/multiple/stuff/here are yielding EACCES errors
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1643 [15:40:14] <jaggz> /home/ is a symlink but my own test in C of an openat call to the same dir/file succeeds
1644 [15:40:16] <moistmoskito> karlpinc i just ran netflix through firefox in the end... not feeling like building anything from source anyway
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1646 [15:40:38] <jaggz> openat(AT_FDCWD, "/home/jaggz/.config/pulse/cookie", O_RDONLY) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
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1650 [15:41:22] <greycat> very straightforward. find out which directory has the wrong perms and fix 'em.
1651 [15:41:41] <DrOwl> moistmoskito: could the repos from replaced-url
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1654 [15:43:44] <lagzilla> whislock: Thanks!
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1666 [15:50:43] <moistmoskito> DrOwl: it was just to watch netflix... didnt know linux could in firefox until now
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1674 [15:53:17] <jaggz> greycat, it seems to work on directories but not on files
1675 [15:53:19] <jaggz> replaced-url
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1677 [15:53:56] <jaggz> greycat, I pointed out that my own test works, run as my user. I'm not sure yet if icedove changes the user (but that wouldn't make much sense)
1678 [15:54:24] <jaggz> (my own openat() of the files failing with icedove)
1679 [15:54:27] <greycat> you're not showing what command you executed, or who it was executed *as*, or what the permissions on all the directories are
1680 [15:54:42] <jaggz> I type "icedove". or "thunderbird"
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1682 [15:55:03] <greycat> can you try "cat /home/jaggz/.config/pulse/cookie" or something?
1683 [15:55:07] <jaggz> perms are rwx for my user, and some mix of nothing or rx for group and other
1684 [15:55:21] <greycat> *sigh*
1685 [15:55:35] <greycat> ls -ld / /home /whatever/home/points/to /home/jaggz /home/jaggz/.config ...
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1687 [15:56:06] <jaggz> I can cat those files fine
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1689 [15:56:29] <greycat> OK, then my next guess is AppArmor. Find AppArmor logs.
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1698 [15:59:55] <moistmoskito> i used to use maldet on arch.... is there a decent malware scanner common for debian users?
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1700 [16:00:13] <ratrace> jaggz: journalctl _TRANSPORT=audit | grep "AVC apparmor" | grep "/home/jaggz/.config/pulse/cookie" any results?
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1703 [16:02:11] <jaggz> greycat, ratrace: app armor's doing it. never heard of apparmor
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1706 [16:02:33] <ratrace> jaggz: can you pastebin the result of the above command?
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1708 [16:03:03] <jaggz> AVC apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="thunderbird" name="/mnt/homefs/home/jaggz/.pulse-cookie"
1709 [16:03:37] <greycat> I bet it's because /home -> /mnt/homefs/home and you have not included /mnt/homefs/home/ in the AppArmor profile for this program
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1715 [16:04:07] <ratrace> jaggz: you can fix that. I don't use thunderbird so I can't look it up for you, but you can add a custom rule for the thunderbird profile in /etc/apparmor.d/local
1716 [16:04:26] <jaggz> reading about it.. thanks buds
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1719 [16:05:15] <ratrace> jaggz: basically you need a file like /etc/apparmor.d/local/thunderbird and in it a line like owner /mnt/homefs/home/jaggz/.pulse-cookie rw
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1721 [16:05:40] <ratrace> jaggz: though now that I think of it, I think you'll have much more problems as that is NOT a regular path to home dirs so other profiles will be failing as well
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1723 [16:06:23] <ratrace> jaggz: ah yeah and see if the thunderbird profile in /etc/apparmor.d/ does an #include line into local/, if it does, that's the filename you should use. if not, add one yourself
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1725 [16:06:52] <ratrace> jaggz: then run apparmor_parse -r /etc/apparmor.d/path.to.thunderbird.profile and restart your bird
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1727 [16:07:25] <jaggz> yeah the pulse-cookie files are failing as well as other .config/ stuff
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1729 [16:07:37] <greycat> I do wish AppArmor gave errno codes that couldn't be mistaken for actual permission problems....
1730 [16:07:56] <ratrace> jaggz: probably this won't fix anything as you're using nonstandard dirs. can't you mount your home directly under /home/ ?
1731 [16:08:01] <greycat> jaggz: you probably want to allow a lot more than just the one file
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1733 [16:08:08] <ratrace> directly = with your username directory in it, of course
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1735 [16:08:13] <jaggz> the first was /home/jaggz/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini or something
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1738 [16:08:34] <greycat> probably allow the entire .config/ directory
1739 [16:08:43] <ratrace> greycat: it can't. the program gets only permission denied, as the kernel has no mechanism to tell the program WHY it is denied
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1742 [16:09:21] <ratrace> the return code is numeric already. then again it's very simple to look up AA audit trails in those situations, like in the example above
1743 [16:09:25] <greycat> ratrace: they could've used EPERM or something instead of EACCES... *shrug*. Probably some esoteric reason that I'm just not aware of.
1744 [16:10:01] <ratrace> isn't EPERM specific for the DAC/unix permission model?
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1746 [16:10:55] <ratrace> ah no, I was thinking of something else
1747 [16:11:01] <greycat> EPERM is "operation not permitted" and is the general failure you get when you're not allowed to do something, and it's not specifically file system permissions that are the cause
1748 [16:11:09] <greycat> like mounting a file system when you are not root, etc.
1749 [16:11:51] <ratrace> main problem here is using non-standard paths with AA enabled. plain and simple.
1750 [16:12:02] <jaggz> openat(AT_FDCWD, "/home/jaggz/.config/pulse", O_RDONLY|O_NOCTTY|O_NOFOLLOW|O_CLOEXEC) = 37
1751 [16:12:12] <jaggz> that works (from icedove's strace)
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1754 [16:12:41] <jaggz> that's a dir. but an openat() above it fails: openat(AT_FDCWD, "/home/jaggz/.config/pulse/cookie", O_RDONLY|O_NOCTTY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 EACCES
1755 [16:12:43] <ratrace> jaggz: AA resolves symlinks so check what AA sees for the path in the audit trail which, as you said above was "/mnt/homefs/home/jaggz/.pulse-cookie"
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1758 [16:13:15] <ratrace> jaggz: so yeah, openat() fails at one side of the link, but AA resolves it and AA profiles are for RESOLVED links paths
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1761 [16:13:55] <ratrace> in other words, /mnt/homefs/.... is the cause here. Fix that. mount directly under /home/jaggz, not /mnt/homefs/home/jaggz
1762 [16:14:06] <ratrace> OR.... disable AA (which I wouldn't recommend really)
1763 [16:14:55] <ratrace> oh yeah, also, AA inside namespaces will resolve paths to absolute paths on the host, in case you're using a container or some nonsense like that
1764 [16:15:30] <jaggz> a mounted dir shouldn't be a problem.. perhaps just some config files that are specifically designed with /home/ being a standard?
1765 [16:15:58] <ratrace> jaggz: mounted dir IS THE problem in your case here
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1767 [16:16:07] <jaggz> (What I'm saying there is that tons of other folders used by apps might be through symlinks)
1768 [16:16:16] <ratrace> are you listening? AA sees /mnt/homefs/home/jaggz not /home/jaggz/
1769 [16:16:37] <jaggz> yes
1770 [16:16:47] <greycat> reading the existing AppArmor profile should make things really clear
1771 [16:16:51] <ratrace> so THAT is your problem if you wnat to use AA with installed profiles
1772 [16:17:02] <jaggz> but what if I had /home/jaggz/.config -> /mnt/something/common_config ?
1773 [16:17:14] <ratrace> AA has no concept of home dir. there's a tunable that's basically pattern matching into /home/
1774 [16:18:08] <ratrace> you _could_ alter the tunable, and assuming all profiles are using it, that'd work too (and assuming you don't have other /home/ dirs that aren't /mnt)
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1776 [16:18:33] <ratrace> jaggz: again, AA will resolve symlinks. it will see /mnt/something/common_config, NOT /home/jaggs/.config
1777 [16:19:31] <jaggz> yeah, the icedove config is using @{HOME} all over
1778 [16:19:58] <ratrace> and @{HOME} is just a pattern match into /home/, it's not a special variable that uses env $HOME or somthing
1779 [16:20:14] <jaggz> ok, so I can fiddle with this, or change my mount. However, I'm not sure how to do that. Should I do a bind type of mount?
1780 [16:20:37] <ratrace> jaggz: how did you set it up to begin with?
1781 [16:20:40] <jaggz> (since home is a dir in that mounted fs)
1782 [16:21:02] <jaggz> the root of that fs is not my home
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1784 [16:21:12] <ratrace> debian by default isn't using /mnt or mounting anything there, so you must have a fstab or a mount unit that does so, or your'e doing it manualy
1785 [16:21:48] <greycat> they definitely turned /home into a symlink on their own... Debian doesn't do that
1786 [16:21:53] <jaggz> yeah.. /dev/md2 /bigdrive ext4 defaults
1787 [16:22:11] <jaggz> then /home is just a symlink to /bigdrive/home
1788 [16:22:19] <ratrace> jaggz: you could try bindmount. I think that'd work as it's different from mnt namespace.... I think!
1789 [16:22:21] <jaggz> really /mnt/bigdrive but I'm keeping things short :)
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1791 [16:23:07] <jaggz> yeah I think with bind it won't be resolving symlinks.. but I'm not sure how openat() handles the fd checks
1792 [16:23:33] <ratrace> jaggz: also check /etc/apparmor.d/tunables/home.d/site.local
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1794 [16:23:48] <jaggz> a bit concerned about my system going down when I change this.. been running for years this way :) but I can fix it if I screw it up
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1796 [16:23:58] <jaggz> ratrace, ooh
1797 [16:24:00] <ratrace> perhaps altering the @{HOME} tunable would fix all you problem --- again assuming all profiles use it and you don't have any non-mounted dirs under /home
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1799 [16:25:05] <jaggz> by the way, I tried adding the literal two paths to the icedove apparmor config: /d/home/jaggz/.config/** r,
1800 [16:25:13] <jaggz> (and restarting apparmor)..
1801 [16:25:18] <jaggz> anyway.. I'll work on this. thanks a lot
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1803 [16:25:40] <ratrace> jaggz: don't change the profile. change the HOME tunable or your mount points
1804 [16:25:48] <jaggz> time to rest. have to take someone to a doctor's appt today :/
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1806 [16:25:59] <jaggz> ratrace, yeah, that's the most hopeful right now. thanks again.
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1814 [16:29:09] <jaggz> ratrace, works :)
1815 [16:29:24] <jaggz> adding /mnt/bigdrive/home as a single entry there fixes it
1816 [16:30:00] <greycat> It's good that ratrace was here, because nobody else knows even a fraction of what ratrace does about apparmor.
1817 [16:30:12] <jaggz> irc is hardly known by most kids nowadays. so sad. :)
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1819 [16:30:46] <jaggz> some 22 year old college grad's like, "ah, you code in perl? old school."
1820 [16:30:49] <annadane> well it's included in debian by default now so i guess it's about time we pony up and learn it
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1822 [16:31:05] <jaggz> okay.. nap time! thanks a lot :)
1823 [16:31:10] <greycat> I knew just enough to recognize it as a possible source of the problem.
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1825 [16:31:43] <jaggz> greycat, you figured it was apparmor first, or somewhat simultaneously, btw :)
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1827 [16:32:01] <jaggz> teamwork!
1828 [16:32:10] * jaggz & sleepwork'!'
1829 [16:32:30] <jaggz> ratrace, thanks again :)
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1839 [16:35:27] <dob1> it's right this: cat somefile | awk -F'\s+' '{print $5'} to print the 5th column of a file where fields are separated by spaces?
1840 [16:35:46] <greycat> dob1: awk '{print $5}' somefile
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1844 [16:36:18] <dob1> greycat, ok but why my regexp didn't work?
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1846 [16:36:41] <greycat> because awk does not use PCRE-type regexes, and because it's STUPID to try to explicitly give the existing default as an override
1847 [16:38:09] <dob1> I was trying
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1876 [16:41:49] <greycat> From awk(1) which is also gawk(1): "In the special case that FS is a single space, fields are separated by runs of spaces and/or tabs and/or newlines." and later, "FS The input field separator, a space by default."
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1880 [16:43:07] <dob1> greycat, yes the problem was the type of regexp used by awk too
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1883 [16:43:12] <dob1> *but
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1894 [16:45:03] <dob1> a program use a type of regexp another program another type, It's just difficult to learn regexp :)
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1897 [16:45:31] <greycat> awk uses ERE (Extended Regular Expressions). ERE does not have \s \w and so on. Those are perl-isms.
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1899 [16:46:00] <greycat> Basically, NONE of the traditional unix tools use perl-regexes.
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1902 [16:47:25] <dob1> ok it's me that I am used to perl-regexp
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1928 [17:07:20] <veek> i tried echo cfg but no luck
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1934 [17:10:34] <karlpinc> veek: You're running debian off a usb stick? In any case the #debian-live channel might have usb stick experience if you don't get an answer here.
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1936 [17:11:26] <veek> yep
1937 [17:11:33] <veek> thanks i'll check it out
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1939 [17:12:59] <veek> hmm sure that's the correct channel
1940 [17:13:14] <greycat> it's on OFTC, not here
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1944 [17:13:29] <greycat> all of the Debian channels are on OFTC except this one, and a few of the language-specific ones
1945 [17:13:29] <karlpinc> I should have said.
1946 [17:13:50] <veek> i should have remembered :p
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2018 [17:41:43] <greycat> if you're building a module with dkms, yeah, you'll need -headers to match -image
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2021 [17:42:47] <jelly> annadane: you need headers that match the running kernel, and also gcc that matches the compiler that compiled that kernel.
2022 [17:43:33] <greycat> oh, more plot twists
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2024 [17:44:27] <jelly> thankfully linux-header-foo packages depend on the right linux-compiler-gcc-* metapackage
2025 [17:44:47] <YesMan> Hello
2026 [17:44:53] <jelly> so I could have not mentioned it at all, sorry
2027 [17:45:26] <somiaj> annadane: and a nvidia driver that compiles against the kernel you have, I think the buster nvidia driver dosen't compile against the backports kernel, and last I checked there wasn't a backported nvidia driver.
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2029 [17:45:37] <somiaj> ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
2030 [17:45:37] <jelly> ,v linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86
2031 [17:45:38] <judd> Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 390.116-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 418.74-1; bullseye/non-free: 430.50-2; sid/non-free: 430.64-1; experimental/non-free: 440.31-1
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2033 [17:45:39] <judd> Package: linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86 on amd64 -- stretch: 4.9.189-3; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9.189-3+deb9u1; stretch-security: 4.9.189-3+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 4.19.67-2+deb10u2~bpo9+1
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2035 [17:45:59] <annadane> yeah, screw this noise, i'm replacing my computer
2036 [17:46:08] <jelly> !pal annadane
2037 [17:46:08] * dpkg points at annadane and laughs
2038 [17:46:22] <annadane> i'm not your pal, friend
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2041 [17:46:51] <jelly> !friend
2042 [17:46:51] <dpkg> man, /usr/share/doc/<package>/*, what else
2043 [17:47:03] <jelly> hmph.
2044 [17:47:15] <greycat> !factinfo friend
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2046 [17:47:16] <dpkg> friend -- it has been requested 47 times, last by jelly, 24s ago.
2047 [17:47:25] <greycat> so ancient it's not even timestamped
2048 [17:47:56] <moistmoskito> annadane: what happened/
2049 [17:48:30] <somiaj> annadane: outside of the backports kernel being newer, any reason you need it? It is often best to stick with the stable kernel if running stable.
2050 [17:49:27] <annadane> meh, i guess i don't, i just thought it may fix pulse issues but it may very easily be an xy problem
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2053 [17:51:14] <annadane> of course new kernels also bring new problems
2054 [17:51:29] <annadane> i do want a pc replacement in any case for a lot of different reasons
2055 [17:52:44] <jelly> a 2014 haswell pc is a-ok for linux. theoretically you can run it without any case
2056 [17:53:00] <somiaj> could try the backports kernel with nouveau and at least that will let you test the pulse issue, though if there is a sound issue, I often go back and just check out alsa.
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2058 [17:53:19] <annadane> yeah...
2059 [17:53:29] <jelly> somiaj: have you ever had nouveau work STABLE for more than a week of uptime, ever?
2060 [17:53:51] <somiaj> I don't use nouveau, but I thought it was supose to be okay for some cards.
2061 [17:54:02] <jelly> !pal somiaj
2062 [17:54:02] * dpkg points at somiaj and laughs uproariously
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2064 [17:54:24] <annadane> sure i could replace the components i want replaced individually: ssd, more ram, amd for both processor and gpu... but it's easier to just get a new computer
2065 [17:54:30] <somiaj> out side of my gaming machine that i use the non-free drivers, the rest of my machines use intel.
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2068 [17:55:09] <jelly> annadane: I got the latest possible second hand PC that could still use the same RAM
2069 [17:55:39] <somiaj> annadane: I have also had good luck backporting the nvidia drivers in cases where I needed newer ones in stable and they weren't in backports.
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2071 [17:55:47] <jelly> so went from a 2010 to a 2014 machine, replacing nvidia with a 3-monitor capable intel gpu in the process
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2085 [18:01:29] <jhutchins_wk> I've had good luck with MicroCenter refurbs.
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2088 [18:01:59] <moistmoskito> annadane: desktop?
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2091 [18:02:21] <annadane> yes desktop
2092 [18:02:45] <moistmoskito> do you build your own, or buy completes
2093 [18:03:26] <annadane> buy
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2097 [18:04:44] <moistmoskito> i was lookin at some of the predator models... not sure how they do these days with linux. but i don't pay much attention to desktops
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2106 [18:06:26] <annadane> shoppping for computer hardware is harder than it needs to be and i'm sure that's intentional
2107 [18:06:33] <annadane> they want you to spend more than you need to
2108 [18:06:49] <moistmoskito> yea and the hardware has changed a lot in last 10 years
2109 [18:07:27] <annadane> i have... one outlet near me, physically. the rest i have to look at online
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2111 [18:07:47] <moistmoskito> yea i bought my last laptop offline
2112 [18:07:55] <somiaj> the hard part is deciding what you want, my problem is I usually buy new, so I do a lot of trying to find the preformance/price break point
2113 [18:08:10] <moistmoskito> needed one with a gpu ... but price point paid into it
2114 [18:08:23] <annadane> yeah and then it's like, does Stable even run on it
2115 [18:08:25] <moistmoskito> a factor* thats what i was looking for
2116 [18:08:40] <moistmoskito> i guess i was lucky
2117 [18:08:49] <moistmoskito> is it uncommon for stable to run on some machines?
2118 [18:08:49] <somiaj> also I don't think building your own machine saves that much, often times bare bone systems that you can get prebuilt are about the same price as buying all the parts yourself.
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2121 [18:09:20] <annadane> it's the "gentoo" of pc building. great if you know how to do all that stuff but going out of my way for it...?
2122 [18:09:28] <somiaj> moistmoskito: certain hardware one should avoid, and I would say once the hardware was released within a year of the stable freeze date, it can get iffy.
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2125 [18:09:58] <moistmoskito> oh, guess im really lucky then... have a dell g5 5587 and no issues
2126 [18:10:16] <moistmoskito> cause its barely a year old
2127 [18:10:31] <somiaj> buster froze in 2019-02-12, so basically if the if the hardware is newer than say 2018 you can start to have issues on the buster kernel (a lot depends on the hardare though)
2128 [18:10:32] <karlpinc> moistmoskito: Yah. "Too new" can be a problem.
2129 [18:10:45] <karlpinc> moistmoskito: But buster's pretty new too.
2130 [18:10:54] <somiaj> moistmoskito: just because the laptop is new doesn't mean all the hardware in it is.
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2132 [18:11:05] <annadane> yeah somiaj that isn't a bad benchmark
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2134 [18:11:23] <somiaj> its about the actual chipsets that are being used, and often times even newer laptops use a bit older chipsets
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2136 [18:11:31] <moistmoskito> only thing i havent found so far is libsmbios ... cant figure out where to get that just yet, and fan is controlled by bios, though has been set before so not urgent
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2139 [18:11:52] * karlpinc wishes he had $$$, and would then by from the hardware vendors supporing FOSS.
2140 [18:12:12] <moistmoskito> i actually hear system76 doesnt have the greatest build quality
2141 [18:12:22] <moistmoskito> on FOSS vendor i can think of
2142 [18:12:29] <karlpinc> eracks has been good. YMMV.
2143 [18:12:31] <annadane> i've considered Think Penguin but i can't vouch their computers and they do ship from the US
2144 [18:12:32] <somiaj> karlpinc: I have thought about that, you can get some nice machines that use an open firmware on the mobo, wifi can still be an issue.
2145 [18:12:35] <annadane> (and i'm canadian)
2146 [18:12:58] <annadane> the thing is nobody cares about FOSS so computer websites won't advertise "free as in freedom drivers"
2147 [18:13:03] <moistmoskito> annadane: i did look that company up once... seem small so no real way to verify it
2148 [18:13:10] <karlpinc> Even open firmware or no, so long as it runs and I don't have to spend time I don't have....
2149 [18:13:24] <annadane> free software foundation does have a section devoted to hardware
2150 [18:13:33] <annadane> on their website
2151 [18:13:55] <somiaj> I am okay with companies that support FOSS, so intel machines are often okay for me (though I prefer amd cpu, I like intel chipsets, wifi, sound, networking)
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2153 [18:14:15] <moistmoskito> oh... just noticing debian doesnt seem to have lm-sensors which is odd
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2155 [18:14:23] <somiaj> even though they are not completely open, the stuff they provide with firmware they often have okay reasons for.
2156 [18:14:43] <jhutchins_wk> ,v lm_sensors
2157 [18:14:44] <somiaj> ,v lm-sensors
2158 [18:14:44] <judd> No package named 'lm_sensors' was found in amd64.
2159 [18:14:45] <judd> Package: lm-sensors on amd64 -- jessie: 1:3.3.5-2; stretch: 1:3.4.0-4; buster: 1:3.5.0-3; bullseye: 1:3.6.0-2; sid: 1:3.6.0-2
2160 [18:14:45] <greycat> ,info lm-sensors
2161 [18:14:47] <judd> Package lm-sensors (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors. Version: 1:3.5.0-3; Size: 111.6k; Installed: 402k; Homepage: replaced-url
2162 [18:14:52] <annadane> i'm not a foss fanatic, i just don't want nvidia and i'd rather not support intel either right now
2163 [18:15:03] <moistmoskito> i meant installed by default ... its lm-sensors in repo
2164 [18:15:16] <karlpinc> If I can avoid broadcomm I'm happy.
2165 [18:15:23] <somiaj> annadane: they actually build and support the open drivers in the kernel for their gpu, networking, and wifi cards. I just would rather have an amd cpu.
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2167 [18:15:51] <jelly> karlpinc: so you avoid pies with the most common fruit
2168 [18:15:58] <moistmoskito> karlpinc: luckily most gaming rigs ship with decent wifi chips
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2175 [18:17:44] <annadane> yeah but intel... has other problems
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2178 [18:17:50] <annadane> much rather support amd at the moment
2179 [18:18:04] <dokma> I've installed nvidia-cuda-toolkit which removed the driver I had installed. Do I now need to install another driver?
2180 [18:18:05] <moistmoskito> oh my intel wifi works ... i have the killer wifi chip
2181 [18:18:09] <moistmoskito> so there is that
2182 [18:18:43] <dokma> Or did I get some driver with the nvidia-cuda-toolkit?
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2187 [18:21:48] <annadane> it... probably depends on what specifically got removed?
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2192 [18:24:20] <annadane> i guess one approach is to run aptitude why-not <thing that got removed>
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2194 [18:24:51] <annadane> because cuda-toolkit doesn't have anything interesting in its Conflicts
2195 [18:25:22] <annadane> (speaking of why i want to get rid of nvidia for good...)
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2200 [18:30:13] <moistmoskito> annadane: amd has better linux support now... is that true in debian stable as well?
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2202 [18:30:22] <annadane> don't know
2203 [18:30:44] <annadane> i mean answer is "it depends", like what somiaj said about when buster became frozen
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2205 [18:30:52] <moistmoskito> yea no longer need catalyst... its all handled by the kernel but dont recall what version that became a thing
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2207 [18:31:15] * revolutionary says HI
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2209 [18:31:36] <moistmoskito> i dont make my sentences right, sorry but essentially the open source drivers are fully functional
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2211 [18:31:41] <revolutionary> Hi all. How can i use this DNS service? I couldn't understand what should i write on my Linux for using this. Can someone help me? replaced-url
2212 [18:31:46] <moistmoskito> verses nvidia crippling nouvea intentionally
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2214 [18:32:47] <annadane> i think the absolute newest thing nvidia came out with was like the threadripper, all the ryzen stuff should work? but i'm very much the wrong person to ask
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2216 [18:32:59] <annadane> s/nvidia/amd
2217 [18:33:00] <moistmoskito> and stable kernel runs my ps4 controller flawlessly so i think its within a similar timeline
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2219 [18:33:33] <moistmoskito> let me check on that for you since you planning to buy a new machine
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2221 [18:33:48] <petn-randall> revolutionary: You'd have to set up some DNS service on your system that does DoH or DoT, and the put 127.0.0.1 into /etc/resolv.conf.
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2225 [18:35:16] <moistmoskito> annadane: may i post a link in this irc?
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2227 [18:35:25] <moistmoskito> this is relevant to the ryzen chips
2228 [18:35:26] <annadane> i'm not an operator
2229 [18:35:27] <annadane> but yes
2230 [18:35:33] <moistmoskito> replaced-url
2231 [18:35:46] <moistmoskito> which doesnt look good at time of this post
2232 [18:35:51] <annadane> "on linux" and "on debian stable" may be two different things, but thanks
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2234 [18:36:04] <pgnd> general apt-usage Q's appropriate in here?
2235 [18:36:05] <moistmoskito> well it regarding big issues compiling
2236 [18:36:10] <moistmoskito> which may or may not affect you
2237 [18:36:11] <annadane> 2 years is a long time
2238 [18:36:16] <annadane> pgnd, yes
2239 [18:36:20] <jelly> pgnd: only if you're running actual Debian
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2241 [18:36:46] <annadane> i suppose if i absolutely had to i could run mint if something really didn't work with debian
2242 [18:36:48] <pgnd> jelly: -ish, not actual. raspbian ...
2243 [18:36:52] <annadane> !raspbian
2244 [18:36:53] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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2246 [18:37:05] <jelly> pgnd: they have a nice #raspbian channel and some of the people are the same
2247 [18:37:14] <revolutionary> petn-randall: could you please explain to me how can i do this job? Or can you recommend a website or guide?
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2249 [18:37:32] <pgnd> well, it's an apt usage Q, but OK -- l8r, thx
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2251 [18:38:20] <annadane> man, i just want a computer. why's it gotta be *work*
2252 [18:38:22] <annadane> :P
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2255 [18:39:16] <moistmoskito> well i am alreayd much happier with debian ... arch would take me a week to setup, and i get updates daily
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2258 [18:39:30] <moistmoskito> this is maitenance naptime
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2260 [18:39:51] <moistmoskito> much less of a hobby os
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2262 [18:40:51] <petn-randall> revolutionary: It really boils down to what you actually want to achieve with doing this. Everything else follows from that.
2263 [18:41:26] <moistmoskito> petn-randall: wondering if dnsmasq would accomplish what they desire
2264 [18:41:56] <annadane> dokma, can you maybe paste some output?
2265 [18:41:57] <annadane> !paste
2266 [18:41:58] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
2267 [18:42:09] <annadane> !bat
2268 [18:42:09] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
2269 [18:42:32] <revolutionary> petn-randall: i want to use encrypted DNS service on my Linux
2270 [18:43:09] <moistmoskito> revolutionary: dnsmasq , dns-proxy << cant remember the actual name one sec
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2273 [18:43:43] <moistmoskito> dnscrypt-proxy
2274 [18:44:20] <moistmoskito> revolutionary: though im brand new to debian and no clue how to set those up on here
2275 [18:44:41] <moistmoskito> but that will accomplish what you are doing to encrypt dns requests to a specific server
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2277 [18:45:41] <jelly> ,v gcc-9
2278 [18:45:42] <judd> Package: gcc-9 on amd64 -- bullseye: 9.2.1-19; sid: 9.2.1-19
2279 [18:45:51] <revolutionary> moistmoskito: i want to use these replaced-url
2280 [18:46:15] <revolutionary> non-profit and hobby ones
2281 [18:46:18] <moistmoskito> revolutionary: yes ... the tools you want i gave you names of... dnsmasq dnscrypt-proxy
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2283 [18:46:44] <moistmoskito> i am in no posistion on this distro, nor ability to guide you further though
2284 [18:46:46] <revolutionary> If you look to that website you will see the sections for IP addresses
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2286 [18:46:51] <revolutionary> okay
2287 [18:46:53] <revolutionary> got it
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2292 [18:47:45] <moistmoskito> revolutionary: make sure the dns server you are using updates their scripts in a timely manner... otherwise your ssl cert runs out and you have no dns
2293 [18:49:09] <revolutionary> gotcha
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2296 [18:49:42] <moistmoskito> from what i have noticed debian so far has a pretty decent wiki... so maybe a google search from here
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2305 [18:52:56] <jelly> moistmoskito: lots of it are HORRIBLY out of date
2306 [18:53:13] <jelly> take with huge grains of salt, even if Last updated date is recent
2307 [18:53:24] <moistmoskito> yea i see a lot with old codenames in the tags
2308 [18:53:31] <jelly> some pages are kept.
2309 [18:53:38] <jelly> well* kept
2310 [18:54:08] <annadane> stick to man pages and /usr/share/doc i guess, and irc
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2312 [18:55:10] <moistmoskito> well i would have pointed normally to the arch wiki, however A) doubt its compatible , B) know for certain different distros put elements of those packages in different places , C) not every distro runs it with a systemd unit
2313 [18:55:39] <moistmoskito> D) trying to keep my mouth shut till i learn things round here
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2315 [18:56:47] <moistmoskito> what i do know is setting that up is a "project"
2316 [18:56:58] <annadane> you'd think the debian wiki would be better, there's *less* changes to keep track of
2317 [18:57:17] <annadane> we basically need a nuremberg project of cleaning up the wiki
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2319 [18:57:31] <greycat> very few people write end user content for the Debian wiki
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2321 [18:57:37] <moistmoskito> yea but debian does come with a lot of sane defaults.... where as arch has amazing documentation because its a nightmare on its own
2322 [18:58:07] <annadane> just don't follow anything which is "as of squeeze..."
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2326 [18:58:51] <jelly> much of arch wiki explains or documents actual upstream software, and can be applicable on Debian as well
2327 [18:58:58] <annadane> ^
2328 [18:58:58] <jelly> YMMV
2329 [18:59:08] <jelly> their wiki is so good
2330 [18:59:24] <annadane> but yeah sane defaults do count for a lot, like debian has
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2335 [19:05:26] <moistmoskito> jelly yea i do know that but i have seen inconsistencies /me looks at opensuse
2336 [19:06:02] <annadane> you have to pick and choose
2337 [19:06:42] <moistmoskito> well it is good to hear people reference it in a positive light... i wont feel bad sharing elements of such in the future
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2339 [19:08:09] <moistmoskito> annadane: you game on linux then?
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2341 [19:08:35] <annadane> i imagine gentoo is very much more specific to gentoo
2342 [19:08:37] <annadane> what with USE flags
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2383 [19:34:37] <karlpinc> moistmoskito: The info pages are good too. But a lot of the useful info pages (tar, emacs, all the gnu stuff) are in the non-free repos due to conflics with the DFSG and the GFDL.
2384 [19:34:45] <dokma> annadane: pretty difficult because my X does not work now.
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2386 [19:35:25] <annadane> !termbin
2387 [19:35:25] <dpkg> well, termbin is you can paste to termbin.com from terminal via: cat /path/to/file | nc termbin.com 9999
2388 [19:35:45] <karlpinc> moistmoskito: bugs.debian.org is also occaisionly useful.
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2390 [19:36:12] <moistmoskito> ahh
2391 [19:36:21] <dokma> annadane: now that the driver has been removed I get: (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
2392 [19:36:43] <dokma> annadane: which is understandable since nvidia-cuda-toolkit removed the driver that was present.
2393 [19:36:46] <annadane> well i think you can temporarily re-install the driver if you wanted x as a workaround
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2396 [19:37:10] <dokma> my problem is that I do not understand why nvidia-cuda-toolkit demanded the driver to be deinstalled
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2398 [19:37:23] <dokma> and what is the appropriate thing to do now
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2400 [19:37:41] <jelly> dokma: if you need X working, install back the driver that made X work?
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2404 [19:38:10] <jelly> dokma: can you show the apt command and the output for that command which made the driver uninstall?
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2406 [19:38:13] <dokma> jelly: are you sure that won't break nvidia-cuda-tookit?
2407 [19:38:29] <jelly> dokma: it probably will. What's your priority?
2408 [19:38:44] <dokma> jelly: I cannot. What I remember is that nvidia-cuda-tookit depended on something like nvidia-uninstaller
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2410 [19:38:58] <jelly> you cannot what?
2411 [19:39:05] <dokma> jelly: my priority is to understand WHY nvidia-cuda-tookit demanded the deinstallation
2412 [19:39:10] <greycat> ,v nvidia-cuda-tookit
2413 [19:39:11] <judd> No package named 'nvidia-cuda-tookit' was found in amd64.
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2416 [19:39:18] <dokma> cannot show the apt command
2417 [19:39:22] <greycat> oh, there's a typo
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2419 [19:39:40] <jelly> dokma: okay. How did you install the driver in the first place?
2420 [19:39:55] <dokma> jelly: from nvidia proprietary package
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2423 [19:40:15] <jelly> dokma: did you get it from debian non-free section, or from nvidia and ran their .bin installer?
2424 [19:40:46] <dokma> nvidia's bin installer
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2426 [19:41:00] <dokma> and that was removed by nvidia-cuda-toolkit
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2428 [19:41:18] <jelly> dokma: debian's packaging is not compatible with nvidia's installers.
2429 [19:41:33] <dokma> So I suppose that whoever designed nvidia-cuda-tookit had some other driver in mind?
2430 [19:41:36] <jelly> get all nvidia stuff either from Debian, or from upstream.
2431 [19:41:45] <dokma> Is it nouveau if I spelled that right?
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2434 [19:42:01] <greycat> nouveau is the free driver, not from nvidia
2435 [19:42:12] <jelly> nouveau is a different driver, we're talking about the nvidia driver right now.
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2437 [19:42:32] <greycat> There is a Debian way to install the proprietary nvidia driver.
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2441 [19:42:54] <dokma> Then I probably need the Debian way to install the nvidia proprietary driver.
2442 [19:42:57] <dokma> What is it?
2443 [19:42:59] <jelly> dokma: some Debian maintainers package the nvidia driver as well, in neat little pieces.
2444 [19:43:04] <jelly> !nvidia dkms
2445 [19:43:04] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d && echo -e 'Section "Device"ntIdentifier "My GPU"ntDriver "nvidia"nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Reboot to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
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2448 [19:43:44] <jelly> !non-free sources
2449 [19:43:44] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
2450 [19:43:51] <dokma> So it is nvidia-kernel-dkms
2451 [19:44:01] <moistmoskito> anyone here game on debian?
2452 [19:44:07] <dokma> Let me try it.
2453 [19:44:09] <dokma> Thanks a bunch!
2454 [19:44:26] <jelly> use the exact very long command line as abot
2455 [19:44:36] <jelly> as the bot said above
2456 [19:44:49] <jelly> ,v nvidia-cuda-tookit
2457 [19:44:50] <judd> No package named 'nvidia-cuda-tookit' was found in amd64.
2458 [19:44:54] <jelly> ,v nvidia-cuda-toolkit
2459 [19:44:55] <judd> Package: nvidia-cuda-toolkit on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 6.0.37-5; stretch/non-free: 8.0.44-4; stretch-backports/non-free: 9.1.85-8~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 9.2.148-7; bullseye/non-free: 10.1.105-3+b1; sid/non-free: 10.1.105-3+b1; experimental/non-free: 10.1.168-1
2460 [19:44:59] <dokma> nvidia-cuda-toolkit
2461 [19:45:10] <jelly> you probably already have non-free enabled, then
2462 [19:45:14] <dokma> I do
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2468 [19:47:13] <revolutionary> hi all. what should i do when connection dropped i don't want to re-connect. I mean i don't want to make second try
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2470 [19:47:35] <revolutionary> which command i should add to the config file?
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2479 [19:52:15] <Ankman> revolutionary: wifi?
2480 [19:52:43] <revolutionary> wifi?
2481 [19:52:52] <revolutionary> no, openvpn
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2484 [19:53:11] <Ankman> oh. didn't scrolled up far enough
2485 [19:53:15] <Ankman> no idea then
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2488 [19:54:14] <dokma> jelly: so I installed the mentioned package, so kernel module got built. I rebooted but I still do not have nvidia driver per log.
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2494 [19:55:50] <jelly> dokma: does "modinfo nvidia-current" show anything? Did you do the whole command, including the part that creates a file under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ that picks the right driver?
2495 [19:55:52] <karlpinc> revolutionary: "man openvpn" Then search for "tries". (/tries)
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2501 [19:57:00] <dokma> jelly: it does
2502 [19:57:12] <dokma> amonst other things it says ---> name: nvidia
2503 [19:57:29] <dokma> version: 418.74
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2505 [19:57:48] <jelly> that means the kernel part of the driver is built and installed in the right place
2506 [19:57:57] <dokma> jelly: so what is missing?
2507 [19:58:07] <jelly> dokma: Did you do the whole command, including the part that creates a file under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ that picks the right driver?
2508 [19:58:41] <dokma> jelly: no. I tried to reboot with my old Xorg.conf.
2509 [19:58:47] <dokma> jelly: can you show that command again?
2510 [19:58:56] <jelly> dpkg, nvidia dkms
2511 [19:58:56] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d && echo -e 'Section "Device"ntIdentifier "My GPU"ntDriver "nvidia"nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Reboot to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
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2518 [19:59:39] <jelly> try not to have a whole /etc/X11/xorg.conf in place at all.
2519 [19:59:53] <jelly> just the tiny piece in .d/
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2522 [20:00:47] <jelly> dokma: and if "lsmod" shows nouveau as loaded, that means you're missing the blacklist for that for some reason
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2524 [20:01:40] <sa-ghosts> I still didn't get the debian 10.2 update
2525 [20:01:52] <sa-ghosts> the repo is really out of date ...
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2527 [20:02:13] <greycat> did you run "apt update"?
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2529 [20:02:23] <sa-ghosts> ... ofc
2530 [20:02:35] <jelly> sa-ghosts: pick a different mirror, maybe there's one in your country
2531 [20:03:16] <jelly> !mirror list
2532 [20:03:16] <dpkg> The best mirror for most users is <deb.debian.org>; other mirrors are listed at replaced-url
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2534 [20:03:33] <sa-ghosts> yeah that's what I will do, but it's concerning that repos can don't sync at the same time
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2536 [20:04:34] <jelly> since the fastly CDN apparently uses anycast and same IP everywhere, it's going to be pretty damn hard to detect WHICH of their mirror copies is out of date
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2538 [20:05:31] <jelly> greycat: context: their deb.debian.org is old; and /msg dpkg which deb.debian.org is not that helpful
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2540 [20:05:59] <jelly> the results appear the same from many places in the internet
2541 [20:06:19] <greycat> I still use .us.debian.org because every time I've ever tried one of the global alternatives, it has been bad.
2542 [20:06:21] <dokma> jelly: that command created an invalid config file for me
2543 [20:06:37] <dokma> and my Xorg.conf already has Driver "nvidia"
2544 [20:06:58] <greycat> the point is you should DELETE xorg.conf and only have the 2-or-so-line snippet in .d
2545 [20:07:20] <dokma> jelly: I have nvidia in lsmod
2546 [20:07:21] <jelly> dokma: can you get rid of (rename) the complete xorg.conf and have just that tiny piece
2547 [20:07:21] <greycat> oh god, the factoid got mangled
2548 [20:07:42] <greycat> the backslashes are missing
2549 [20:07:42] <dokma> That code creates invalid conf for me.
2550 [20:07:49] <dokma> I can reconstruct what was meant by it.
2551 [20:08:15] <jelly> dokma: the file is basically just this: replaced-url
2552 [20:08:37] * greycat wonders what happened to the backslashes
2553 [20:08:59] <jelly> they got slashed back?
2554 [20:09:26] <jelly> dpkg, factinfo nvidia dkms
2555 [20:09:26] <dpkg> nvidia dkms -- created by babilen <~babilen@babilen.user.oftc.net> at Wed Sep 5 09:13:44 2012 (2632 days); last modified at Wed Aug 28 19:33:56 2019 by greycat!~wooledg@139.137.128.43; it has been requested 722 times, last by greycat, 1m 53s ago.
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2557 [20:09:41] <dokma> jelly: same result. nvidia does not exist, no drivers available
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2559 [20:09:49] <jelly> huh
2560 [20:09:55] <jelly> dokma: which debian is this?
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2562 [20:10:33] <jelly> dokma: if you install and run "nvidia-detect", what does it say?
2563 [20:10:35] <dokma> buster
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2568 [20:13:02] <jelly> sigh, apt-file doesn't work well with foreign arch
2569 [20:13:33] <dokma> jelly: nvidia-driver was not installed
2570 [20:13:59] <dokma> jelly: so I need both the dkms package AND the driver explicitly installed
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2572 [20:15:11] <dokma> jelly: now it works
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2574 [20:15:29] <jelly> both depend on each other AFAIR
2575 [20:15:48] <jelly> ,depends nvidia-kernel-dkms
2576 [20:15:49] <judd> Package nvidia-kernel-dkms in buster/amd64 -- depends: dkms (>= 2.1.0.0), nvidia-kernel-support--v1,nvidia-installer-cleanup.
2577 [20:16:02] <jelly> is... that a typo
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2579 [20:16:36] <jelly> Depends: dkms (>= 2.1.0.0), nvidia-kernel-support--v1
2580 [20:16:36] <jelly> Pre-Depends: nvidia-installer-cleanup
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2582 [20:17:18] <jelly> Recommends: nvidia-driver (>= 418.74) | libcuda1 (>= 418.74) # they probably had the latter installed
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2589 [20:19:05] <sa-ghosts> when ever I try to change repos (by using synaptics) it gives me this error "The repository 'replaced-url
2590 [20:20:03] <greycat> !buster/updates
2591 [20:20:03] <dpkg> On Debian 10 "Buster" systems, there are two repositories that you should have in your sources.list aside from your main mirror. You should have an entry for "buster/updates" which is security updates (ask me about <security>) and also an entry for "buster-updates" which is other updated packages. See also <sources.list>.
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2594 [20:20:17] <greycat> buster/updates is security, not the regular stuff
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2596 [20:20:43] <dokma> jelly, annadane: everything cool now. thanks a bunch!!
2597 [20:20:50] <jelly> !win dokma
2598 [20:20:50] <mason> jelly: apt-file can take --architecture
2599 [20:20:50] <dpkg> Congratulations, dokma! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
2600 [20:21:05] <mason> jelly: Or are you saying that's not quite cricket?
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2602 [20:21:11] <dokma> And I'm super glad I went the Debian way!
2603 [20:21:18] <sa-ghosts> hmmm so I should just update it by using an editor like nano ? and not synaptics ? @greycat
2604 [20:21:30] <greycat> !buster sources.list
2605 [20:21:31] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
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2607 [20:21:39] <moistmoskito> greycat: oh neat i set up my sources.list right
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2609 [20:22:02] <jelly> mason: thanks, I did not expect it to have a syntax different from apt or dpkg in that regard.
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2611 [20:22:10] <sa-ghosts> I know about the sources list and the location. I was asking if it can't be done by synaptic @greycat
2612 [20:22:38] <greycat> I've never used synaptic in my life and I have no idea how it breaks *now*
2613 [20:22:39] <karlpinc> sa-ghosts: It does not matter how update it, so long as it comes out right. (I can't say what synaptic does or does not do.)
2614 [20:22:40] <jelly> sa-ghosts: volunteers in here might not be well versed in what GUI tools do
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2616 [20:22:51] <greycat> It came damn close to not being in buster at all.
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2622 [20:24:08] <sa-ghosts> jelly, I know but I always thought of synaptic as the debian thing.
2623 [20:24:20] <sa-ghosts> it's really awsome but does not work with wayland
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2626 [20:24:49] <EmleyMoor> I can live without synaptic and am grateful my other half never knew it
2627 [20:24:59] <greycat> so apparently it has stopped creating gpg files with the wrong owner/permissions and breaking, I take it
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2666 [20:54:16] <sa-ghosts> so I manged to make every thing okay for now, but I have a question.
2667 [20:54:18] <sa-ghosts> is it okay to use a repo near me for "buster main" and "buster-updates" but still use deb.debian.org/debian-security/ for buster/updates ?
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2672 [20:55:33] <somiaj> sa-ghosts: define near me? Yes it is okay to use any mirror you want for both buster and buster/updates
2673 [20:55:36] <somiaj> !deb.debian.org
2674 [20:55:36] <dpkg> deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See replaced-url
2675 [20:55:48] <greycat> yes, you can mix-and-match different mirrors
2676 [20:55:50] <somiaj> often works as a CDN to find something near you.
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2678 [20:56:35] <sa-ghosts> @somiaj, will deb.debian set me up with out dated repo
2679 [20:56:54] <sa-ghosts> @greycat, oh thank you.
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2682 [20:57:50] <nvz> please do not put @ in front of nicks this is irc not twitter
2683 [20:57:52] <somiaj> sa-ghosts: It should only use current mirrors.
2684 [20:58:14] <sa-ghosts> somiaj, will it didn't
2685 [20:58:18] <somiaj> sa-ghosts: note, it does take time for updates to propagate through all mirrors.
2686 [20:58:34] <greycat> They claimed that they "did not get the 10.2 update".
2687 [20:58:38] <somiaj> sa-ghosts: you'll have to give more output, run apt update, then apt policy packagname of package that is out dated
2688 [20:58:52] <greycat> base-files would be a good package name for this
2689 [20:59:01] <sa-ghosts> somiaj, I did that it was 1 week out of date
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2691 [20:59:26] <sa-ghosts> anyways it's sorted out right now so no biggy
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2694 [20:59:49] <somiaj> sa-ghosts: you are welcome to use a mirror that you find more reliable. I'm unsure why the mirror you got redirected to hasn't updated.
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2696 [21:00:23] <sa-ghosts> somiaj, to be fare security updates where on time and 10.1 was on time
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2698 [21:00:34] <sa-ghosts> but 10.2 was not I waited for a week
2699 [21:00:44] <sa-ghosts> and then changed the mirror
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2701 [21:00:55] <sa-ghosts> almost a week *
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2706 [21:02:43] <somiaj> sa-ghosts: well security is a different mirror than the regular mirrors (even if using deb.debian.org), but I out side of using a different mirror, I don't know where to report the mirror being used by deb.debian.org is not being updated.
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2711 [21:04:08] <sa-ghosts> somiaj, jelly tried to help me find the mirror and we know it was a fastily mirror but couldn't tell whitch one
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2717 [21:07:45] <Guest7438> Help. My root partition is full. Can I move /us/share outside the rootfs? HELP.
2718 [21:08:07] <greycat> start with "apt-get clean", or truncate some old log files in /var/log
2719 [21:08:24] <greycat> once the IMMEDIATE crisis is past, stop and take stock of what's where
2720 [21:08:40] <somiaj> yea, leave /usr alone (unless you have lots of stuff in /usr/local).
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2725 [21:10:06] <Guest7438> thanks awfully.
2726 [21:10:17] <nvz> if its a desktop system ~/.thumbnails and ~/.cache/thumbnails
2727 [21:10:26] <nvz> might also be large
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2731 [21:12:49] <Guest7438> ... but it would be possible to move it outside without doing any harm?
2732 [21:13:04] <nvz> sure
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2734 [21:13:33] <nvz> you would wanna do it offline or in single
2735 [21:14:11] <greycat> on my system, /usr/share is 1.1G out of 20G in / ... are you sure this is the best decision? why not move all of /usr?
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2738 [21:14:41] <rwp> Guest7438, Moving /usr/share out of root will _probably_ work okay. But officially Debian no longer supports having /usr outside of root. (Sigh.)
2739 [21:15:06] <greycat> where does it say that?
2740 [21:15:14] <nvz> @.@
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2742 [21:15:23] <greycat> (also, a separate /var is reasonable, if you haven't already separated /var)
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2744 [21:15:46] <rwp> There has been this huge discussion about no longer supporting a separately mounted /usr and I think that will including picking and choosing subdirectories beneath it too.
2745 [21:15:48] <greycat> This is what I mean by stopping and taking stock of what's where. Come up with a plan.
2746 [21:16:03] <rwp> Note that I don't like it as I think supporting a separately mounted /usr is okay.
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2749 [21:16:34] <rwp> Debian says that any separately mounted partitions like that need to be mounted in early boot in the initramfs stage.
2750 [21:16:49] <rwp> Which I think is just kicking the can down the road.
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2753 [21:17:34] <rwp> Primarily /usr/lib has been the issue. But I am sure that, for example, /usr/share/zoneinfo will also be of interest.
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2756 [21:18:59] <rwp> Agreed on a separate /var as that is one I always have separate too.
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2758 [21:20:57] <somiaj> For size reasons I wouldn't separate out /usr or /usr/foo, just make / big enough. I think the main use of seperation is to allow for read only filesystems wherever possible.
2759 [21:20:58] <rwp> On my system /usr/share is 3.0G and looking I see that texlive consumes a Gig, doc consumes 0.7Gig. So it really depends upon what is installed.
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2761 [21:21:45] <rwp> Traditionally the main use of a separate /usr was for reasons of not enough disk space in / for it.
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2763 [21:22:09] <somiaj> back in floppy days, or /boot had to be in the first X bytes of the disk to boot
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2765 [21:22:29] <jaggz> read-only, also on ssd's removing atime (noatime)
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2767 [21:22:34] <greycat> I concur with rwp. The main reason for space issues in a specific file system is because "this system was installed 10+ years ago".
2768 [21:22:52] <jaggz> in the old days to mitigate FS destructiveness?
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2770 [21:23:23] <rwp> Lots of reasons. You might be sharing the disk with winders and then can't use as much of it as you would like.
2771 [21:23:24] <greycat> kernels are like 100 times bigger now than they were a decade ago
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2773 [21:24:12] <jaggz> somiaj, actually that still was required with /boot for a long time with linux I think? or it wasn't /boot itself, but the boot loader stuff I guess
2774 [21:24:15] <nvz> microlithic kernels are the future </tenanbaum>
2775 [21:24:52] <rwp> I *still* always create a separate /boot. It just makes things a bunch simpler, more reliable, and easier to deal with interesting problems later.
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2779 [21:25:52] <greycat> OK, maybe not 100 times. But on the oldest system I can easily access, linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 has Installed-Size 58580; on buster, linux-image-4.19.0-6-amd64 has ux-image-4.19.0-6-amd64 | grep Size
2780 [21:26:01] <greycat> ... damned mouse
2781 [21:26:04] <greycat> has Installed-Size: 262512
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2783 [21:26:33] <somiaj> jaggz: that wasn't unique to linux, but the mbr partition table required bootloader info in the MBR of the disk or partition. They did away with having the kernel in the first X bytes of the disk a long time ago.
2784 [21:26:44] <rwp> But I have systems that have been upgraded, and upgraded, and upgraded, like a ship of Theseus, and so it is worth while to have a structure for being able to replace everything one part at a time.
2785 [21:26:49] <somiaj> jaggz: it was only the change to uefi and GPT that life got a bit easier.
2786 [21:26:53] <jaggz> somiaj, nod.. I just meant in terms of timing
2787 [21:27:02] <rwp> On the other hand if you are one who just does a pristine install every few weeks then it doesn't matter and all of that feels like extra work.
2788 [21:27:23] <annadane> rwp, /boot, / and swap?
2789 [21:27:34] <rwp> annadane, Plus /var
2790 [21:28:00] <rwp> I usually use LVM pretty much everywhere too. And on mdadm RAID mostly everywhere.
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2792 [21:28:28] <rwp> Which means one can, for example, add a new bigger disk and pour the bits from one disk to the bigger one. All live while the system is running.
2793 [21:28:57] <rwp> And then with LVM one can also expand partitions and do online resizing. All live while the system is running.
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2795 [21:29:07] <annadane> yeah i'd probably have a hard time splitting it into 4 bits without lvm
2796 [21:29:08] <rwp> Of course it is good to reboot too. But then the reboot time is short.
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2798 [21:30:01] <rwp> For example one can use pvmove to move data from a previous partitioning scheme onto a newer one.
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2801 [21:30:22] <rwp> Did I mention that can be done live while the system is running? :-)
2802 [21:30:30] <somiaj> a lot depends on use case, for desktop users, / and /home are the two partitions I suggest
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2804 [21:30:57] <somiaj> server users, or special cases require a bit more planing of the filesystem/partition structure.
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2806 [21:31:17] <annadane> yeah separate home is always good
2807 [21:31:36] <rwp> I have always been a "it's better if the /home is local" person but these days networking is faster and even I am moving my stuff to a NAS based /home.
2808 [21:32:41] <rwp> Everything is becoming an array of redundant and inexpensive devices.
2809 [21:32:45] <somiaj> I just have scripts that keep /home synced across my 3 machines, so it is easy.
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2811 [21:33:05] <somiaj> But yea, local networks are quite fast these days
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2814 [21:33:38] <annadane> unless you have a colluding ISP :P
2815 [21:34:28] <mutante> it's fun when your ssh keys are stored in your home dir but the NAS is down
2816 [21:34:28] <rwp> And there is the split between mobile devices like laptops, which need a local /home, and desktops which *should* IMNHO have a wired connection.
2817 [21:34:57] <jhutchins_wk> I keep a local home, but everything gets saved to the fileserver.
2818 [21:35:15] <rwp> If your NAS is down then the first thing you should be doing is not logging into your desktop and reading email but getting your NAS back online again!
2819 [21:35:15] <jhutchins_wk> ~/Documents, etc are symlinks to mounts.
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2822 [21:35:27] <annadane> !nas
2823 [21:35:27] <dpkg> nas is, like, a network audio system, a lot like <esound> with special features, like a module wich can hijack your /dev/dsp on clients. Network Attached Storage, see <nslu2>, <n2100>, <dns-323>.
2824 [21:35:33] <Guest7438> Can I move my /usr file from rootfs to /home and link with ln -s ?
2825 [21:35:48] <rwp> NAS is Network Attached Storage.
2826 [21:36:01] <rwp> SAN is a Storage Area Network. Often used in a larger NAS behind the scenes.
2827 [21:36:18] <rwp> NAS could be NFS or Samba or other without really saying which.
2828 [21:36:22] <mutante> rwp: how do you get your NAS back lone without a desktop ?:p
2829 [21:36:26] <mutante> online
2830 [21:36:34] <nvz> you can bit its not a good idea
2831 [21:36:37] <somiaj> Guest7438: yes, but if you are finding you need to do this, you might want to rethink your partition scheme and alloted size.
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2833 [21:36:43] <rwp> mutante, I use my laptop to log into it.
2834 [21:36:45] <mutante> i would suggest to use /etc/ssh/userkeys instead of ~ for the keys
2835 [21:37:03] <somiaj> Guest7438: though as rwp mentioned there maybe issues if /home isn't mounted quick enough during the boot, services may fail.
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2837 [21:37:11] <mutante> rwp: ah, so now you need 2 computers though
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2839 [21:37:35] <rwp> mutante, Also, when root logs in the home for root is always /root which is always local. Good enough to use for debug. Never log into X using root though. Cntrl-Alt-F1
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2843 [21:37:55] <rwp> mutante, Everything is becoming an array of inexpensive devices.
2844 [21:38:29] <rwp> I have my new laptop, my current laptop I am using, and my old laptop. Plus several dead ones kept for parts.
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2846 [21:38:34] <rwp> And the same for the desktops in the house.
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2849 [21:39:31] <rwp> And in the corporate environments they use NFS home directories everywhere universially. No local desktop backups for example. So everything must be on the NAS.
2850 [21:39:41] <mutante> ok. personally i dont want to have that many devices
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2854 [21:40:14] <rwp> One single desktop with one disk and everything in one partition is fully supported. No problem.
2855 [21:40:22] <rwp> It just makes upgrades more difficult.
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2858 [21:41:04] <rwp> And please do not forget about backup. Backup is very important.
2859 [21:41:04] <somiaj> not with debian, it makes failed upgrades/reinstalling though.
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2861 [21:41:18] <jhutchins_wk> Shared $HOME is a no-no in PCI.
2862 [21:41:43] <nvz> for awhile i had more thinkpads than disks and just popped them in a docking station to pxe boot them and ran from ram with home on network
2863 [21:41:52] <mutante> right.. though if the important data is in individual user home dirs there is also another problem
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2865 [21:42:08] <nvz> then upgrade the tftp and just reboot the machines
2866 [21:42:27] <rwp> jhutchins_wk, When working with credit cards there are specific security needs that must be addressed.
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2871 [21:43:36] <rwp> And then there are university environments where students don't have dedicated systems. Just pick one of the pool and log into it.
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2880 [21:48:01] <rwp> greycat, Re "where does it say that?" this is what I was referring to: replaced-url
2881 [21:48:48] <rwp> Which I guess I missed this part: "This means that for stretch all systems where /usr is a separate partition need to use an initramfs generator that will mount /usr. All initramfs generators in stretch do so."
2882 [21:49:17] <somiaj> with usrmerge default again, probably more an issue
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2884 [21:49:32] <Guest7438> rwp : thanks awfully
2885 [21:49:35] <greycat> yeah, I can see how this is a potential future issue
2886 [21:49:43] <rwp> Did that initramfs mounting happen later in the release cycle? I just remember the flames ^W discussion where /usr was no longer supported as a separate partition.
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2889 [21:50:45] <rwp> Guest7438, As greycat suggested, it would be good to inventory what is using the disk space. Perhaps removing unused large packages for example. On my system texlive is very large for example.
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2986 [22:39:20] <domovoy> i need to do something 'scp -r user@host:/some/directory local/directory' but i want to download only a limited number of files (i just need some to test some functionality locally, i don't want _all_ of them) any idea how i could do that?
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2993 [22:42:43] <somiaj> domovoy: pick some directory that only has a limited number of files, but the -r flag will recrusivally go through all files
2994 [22:43:29] <somiaj> domovoy: you could just hit ctrl-C after a bit and break the copy if your test works.
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3000 [22:44:45] <domovoy> somiaj> that's what i do, but there are quite a number of dirs, my laziness made me think "can't i 'script' that?"
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3003 [22:45:47] <domovoy> scp &; sleep; kill?
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3006 [22:46:26] <Ankman> domovoy: do the desired files have a common file extension?
3007 [22:47:13] <domovoy> Ankman> no
3008 [22:47:30] <Ankman> any pattern in their file names?
3009 [22:47:38] <Ankman> common pattern
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3011 [22:48:00] <somiaj> domovoy: the -r will recusrivally go through everythig, you could do something like scp user@host:/some/directory/{file1,file2,file3,file4} local/dir
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3013 [22:48:06] <somiaj> then it will only copy the files you list
3014 [22:48:53] <vlt> domovoy: What about rsync and --include=...?
3015 [22:49:02] <domovoy> somiaj> but then i need to manually check for those names anyway... goodbye my laziness ^^
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3017 [22:49:24] <domovoy> vlt> interesting, i'll take a look at man rsync, thanks
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3019 [22:50:27] <somiaj> domovoy: that is why Ankman was saying if you had some pattern, you could do glob matching foo*bar
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3023 [22:51:23] <domovoy> ho yeah right, that's pattern matching... i don't care what is downloaded, i just want to limit how much
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3037 [23:00:34] <domovoy> i'll have to try, but wouldn't 'scp&; sleep; kill' work?
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3127 [23:43:37] <CrystalMath> so there's another general resolution regarding init
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3147 [23:55:15] <duelle> I installed MariaDB 10.3.18 on latest Debian. Unfortunately MariaDB complains that it cannot raise the open file limit above 4096. According to MariaDB docs I increased the limit, but it still reports that it can't exceed 4096. Are there any ways to find the reason for the limit?
3148 [23:55:39] <duelle> ..or the source for that specific limit
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