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33[00:20:07] <troys> away -all stuff
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145[01:48:40] <zecolmeia> hello everyone
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147[01:49:33] <zecolmeia> what about publish a compress file containning all debian .git packages repo
148[01:49:36] <zecolmeia> ?
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150[01:50:04] <sponix> zecolmeia: or not
151[01:50:55] <zecolmeia> maybe yes, flexible custom branches/merges
152[01:51:02] <zecolmeia> project
153[01:51:04] <zecolmeia> s
154[01:51:25] <zecolmeia> testing
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160[01:52:58] <zecolmeia> a folder/sufolder pool
161[01:53:05] <zecolmeia> byebye
162[01:53:07] <zecolmeia> exit
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213[02:38:10] <Kurogane> Hello, how not install "The following additional packages will be installed" in a package.
214[02:38:34] <ksk> Kurogane: you can leave out recommendations with the "--without-recommends" switch
215[02:38:39] <ryouma> Kurogane: there aer options for the installation tools to not install recommendations
216[02:38:46] <ksk> if they are coming in because of dependencies, you need them, and cannot choose to not install
217[02:39:15] <ksk> "apt-cache show $pkg" will show you which are which
218[02:39:18] <ryouma> and maybe suggests is relevant, but i think maybe not by default?
219[02:39:52] <ksk> agreed :)
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221[02:44:39] <Kurogane> ksk, that option not work for me but --no-install-recommends and still try to install.
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223[02:45:02] <ksk> Kurogane: how about pasting the install command you use, and the apt output?
224[02:45:03] <ksk> !paste
225[02:45:03] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
226[02:45:29] <ksk> the right switch is "--no-install-recommends", I was mistaken.
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228[02:46:09] <ksk> and I already told you how to determine WHY these packages are installed
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236[02:52:13] <Kurogane> ksk, packages are installed? i not want to install it, replaced-url
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241[02:56:52] <Unit193> Hah, both mariadb-common and mysql-common? :D
242[02:58:28] <ksk> Kurogane: the package you want to install depends on "libmariadb3" - which depends on mysql-coomon
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245[02:59:35] <ksk> mysql-common is just a, eh, "various important implementation independent"-files package
246[03:00:14] <ksk> Kurogane: so, no way for you to not install that. anyway, why are installing 33kB of packages a problem for you? :o
247[03:00:28] <ksk> oh, 330kB ;)
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249[03:00:55] <Unit193> 934kB actually.
250[03:01:04] <ksk> you will not have a mysql-server installed, if that should be your concern..
251[03:01:07] <ksk> true :)
252[03:01:25] <Unit193> I'd still see if I can avoid one of the -common packages, seems silly to have both.
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254[03:01:57] <Unit193> `apt install --no-install-recommends libdbd-mysql-perl mysql-coomon-` then swap with mariadb-common if that one fails.
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256[03:03:14] <ksk> nope, mariadb-common depends on mysql-common - nono
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269[03:17:06] <Fufu> Those two package only contain some configuration files replaced-url
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322[04:06:02] <bsld> hello guys so im using debian on wsl2 does anyone of you knows where the "4.19.79-microsoft-standard" kernel is stored - i checked the /boot directory it's empty
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328[04:08:15] <whislock> bsld: I am uncertain as to whether or not the WSL build of Debian is supported here.
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333[04:10:11] <OS-16741> msg NickServ REGISTER
334[04:10:21] <whislock> OS-16741: It's amazing how much a / helps.
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341[04:14:09] <ksk> Im inclined to say not supported, as I heard its a modified debian of sorts..
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345[04:14:51] <ksk> bsld: but if that what you put in "" is a package, you can do "dpkg -L $pkg" to find where the package stores it files
346[04:15:08] <sponix> ksk: well the folks in ##windows aren't likely to be of any help :P
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348[04:16:17] <sponix> ksk: I'm almost curious as to where Microsoft published their changes made to that kernel lol
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354[04:19:12] <bsld> sponix: replaced-url
355[04:20:11] <sponix> bsld: interesting.. My google search didn't find that :)
356[04:20:32] <bsld> ksk: what's the kernel package
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358[04:21:43] <bsld> sponix: im currently cloning this repos and atm it's 24% percent and 630mib is that normal
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360[04:21:54] <bsld> seems rather large to me
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364[04:22:59] <whislock> bsld: Ever clone replaced-url
365[04:23:11] <sponix> bsld: not sure, you could pull the normal 4.15.x kernel and compare -- see how much bloat they added already :)
366[04:23:43] <whislock> sponix: 24% and 630M is positively svelte compared to the actual Linux repo.
367[04:24:12] <whislock> I'm cloning the repo now. 21%, 1.3G.
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371[04:25:20] <whislock> Now, that includes all of the commit history. Let's see what the actual source sizes are.
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374[04:26:01] <sponix> can't you just checkout that specific 4.19.x version of both for comparison ?
375[04:26:21] <whislock> The linux repo only has one branch.
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378[04:26:59] <whislock> I could probably go digging for the release tag, but I'm lazy.
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380[04:27:50] <whislock> Heh. The WSL sources are smaller.
381[04:27:54] <whislock> So much for bloat.
382[04:29:37] <sponix> whislock: that is amazing
383[04:30:15] <sponix> guess they are saving all the extra telemetry code for that rebranded chromium
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423[05:03:01] <inari> Do I have to do something special to the lvm mapper before i call shutdown? I.e. along the lines of umount. Do I need to "unregister" anything before shutdown?
424[05:03:04] <z8z> Did the some repository path change recently? I'm not getting the security updates even i see those in the update news. I fresh installation of Debian on another PC gets those updates tho. Preparing the 2 source.list files to paste..
425[05:04:06] <ksk> inari: no
426[05:04:13] <inari> K, thanks
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488[06:14:10] <z8z> Did the some repository path change recently? I'm not getting the security updates even i see those in the update news. A fresh installation of Debian on another PC gets those updates tho.
489[06:14:43] <z8z> These are the sources.list files in both PC. Why the second one doesnt find any update? replaced-url
490[06:15:07] <z8z> I see one has deb replaced-url
491[06:15:10] <z8z> and the other
492[06:15:22] <z8z> deb replaced-url
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495[06:15:33] <RoyK> no main on the latter
496[06:15:35] <n-iCe> hi
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498[06:16:02] <RoyK> z8z: only contrib, not main
499[06:16:32] <z8z> oh sorry there was another line below i didnt copy before pasting
500[06:16:32] <z8z> deb replaced-url
501[06:16:38] <z8z> so i guess it's not that
502[06:16:48] <RoyK> deb replaced-url
503[06:16:54] <RoyK> that lacks 'main'
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505[06:17:23] <z8z> Why these settings where working ok on Debian 9? :|
506[06:17:33] <RoyK> they probably didn't
507[06:18:15] <RoyK> add main there, do an apt update and upgrade (or dist-upgrade) and check the result
508[06:18:42] <z8z> But every security patch in the Debian Security was popping out with those settings. Sorry for asking.... just curious
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510[06:19:03] <RoyK> try to change that first, please
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512[06:19:24] <RoyK> my guess is you removed a bit too much while upgrading
513[06:19:40] <z8z> so would you mind to paste how it should be?
514[06:20:06] <RoyK> just add main after contrib
515[06:20:08] <RoyK> or before it
516[06:20:13] <RoyK> shouldn't matter
517[06:20:17] <z8z> Oh ok
518[06:21:07] <RoyK> and until next time - install etckeeper so that you can look back into what etc looked like before you did something
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520[06:21:43] <RoyK> it's a nice tool, especially if you manage to remove some files from /etc in a hurry
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522[06:22:10] <z8z> It's working thanks
523[06:22:19] <grisher> or just backup ya configs before you change 'em
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525[06:23:09] <RoyK> grisher: etckeeper is a nice way of doing that
526[06:24:41] <RoyK> grisher: so unless you do something as stupid as rm dash r slash etc, you'll be fine
527[06:24:43] <grisher> so is cp
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529[06:25:07] <RoyK> grisher: etckeeper uses a git repo - a bit more flexible
530[06:25:12] <grisher> don't need to keep pinging me mate
531[06:25:34] <z8z> I will actually go and check the backup later. I usually dont make such mistakes of removing extra stuff...
532[06:25:35] <z8z> :|
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534[06:25:48] <grisher> it's no big deal
535[06:25:53] <grisher> just add it and update/upgrade
536[06:26:28] * RoyK silently ignores grisher
537[06:26:46] <z8z> btw is "replaced-url
538[06:26:52] <grisher> i mean, go for it
539[06:26:57] <grisher> but you don't need to keep pinging me
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541[06:29:00] <grisher> z8z: it should be replaced-url
542[06:29:58] <z8z> ok thanks
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544[06:32:15] <z8z> reboot time ^^
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560[06:42:10] <dyy> anyone can help me with tor browser? It shows just black screen
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563[06:48:46] <grisher> dyy: screenshot?
564[06:52:01] <OerHeks> 'dark' web
565[06:53:27] <dyy> @grisher, her> dyy: screenshot?
566[06:53:44] <dyy> grisher, replaced-url
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568[06:56:23] <grisher> how did you install it?
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572[07:01:21] <dyy> grisher, it was preinstalled on parrot os
573[07:01:36] <dyy> do I need to reinstall it and see if the problem persist
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720[09:03:50] <Rabalidad> Hi, so I installed nvidia-driver and therefore I have driver version 418.74, but when I run nvidia-smi ir reports "CUDA Version: ERR!" even I have nvidia-cuda-dev installed
721[09:04:13] <Rabalidad> and I can not run any CUDA applications, does anybody know what might be wrong?
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746[09:13:09] <at0m> Rabalidad: i'd go from nvidia-detect, and see what driver that suggests for your hardware
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749[09:13:33] <at0m> then make sure you're not using any other
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755[09:16:21] <Rabalidad> nvidia-detect suggests the default driver, nvidia-driver
756[09:16:46] <Rabalidad> I installed "nvidia-cuda-toolkit" but still same issue
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773[09:22:42] <Rabalidad> I have Buster (stable) how to upgrade to testing (Bullseye)?
774[09:23:16] <at0m> Rabalidad: how would that solve your problem? or, why would you?
775[09:23:39] <at0m> (cos, if you need to ask how, i doubt that's the right thing to do)
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777[09:24:45] <at0m> also, for nvidia specific stuff, there's #nvidia, too
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779[09:25:16] <Rabalidad> besides the issue I have I just noticed that I have stable and I prefer to have testing
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782[09:25:50] <at0m> just "prefer"? you gonna debug and help bullseye become a better next stable?
783[09:26:19] <at0m> again, if you need to ask how, i'm doubt it's the right thing to do
784[09:26:28] <at0m> s/i'm/i
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786[09:28:00] <at0m> dpkg: tell Rabalidad about testing
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789[09:28:26] <at0m> dpkg: tell Rabalidad about bpo
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792[09:30:48] <at0m> Rabalidad: backports are an intermediate solution, where only specific newer packages are installed. usually that's used for specific features or fixes in these specific packages. an answer like "just cos i can", doesn't warrant the effort.
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804[09:36:42] <Rabalidad> I think there is no backport for the nvidia-driver
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806[09:37:47] <at0m> Rabalidad: reason i'm advising against testing in this case, is that while testing may offer newer versions, also it's meant for testing: stuff breaks, and you get to keep all the pieces if stuff breaks. people who run testing are supposed to submit bug reports, and know how to put the pieces back together in order to get a working system again.
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809[09:38:41] <at0m> so if you need to ask, i doubt you'll be able to recover in that case.
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813[09:40:15] <at0m> Rabalidad: instead, better search on the real problem you're facing, and try to fix that.
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816[09:41:01] <no_gravity> When I start a bash shell with "bash", can I somehow insert an alias into it?
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820[09:41:26] <no_gravity> I tried this, but then the shell exits: bash -c "alias x='echo x'"
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825[09:43:21] <Rabalidad> @at0m thanks for your advice, due to the nature of my work I need close to latest nvidia drivers possible, and I want to have them provided by debian instead of the .run file at nvidia webpage, that is why I consider moving to testing
826[09:43:32] <eightyone_> I’ve been having issues with other distros and I think I may go back to Debian. Are you guys all firm Debian believers ?
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830[09:44:30] <at0m> ,v nvidia-driver
831[09:44:31] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 390.116-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 418.74-1; bullseye/non-free: 430.50-2; sid/non-free: 430.50-2; experimental/non-free: 440.26-1
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836[09:46:17] <Rabalidad> nvidia-driver is a bit old, 418.74, my colleagues are using much newer
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839[09:48:12] <at0m> Rabalidad: dpkg told you where to go for that
840[09:48:25] <at0m> oops sorry was PgUp'd
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892[10:09:15] <Rabalidad48> oh look today I am a lucky bastard, after dist-upgrade nvidia-smi says: NVIDIA-SMI 430.50 Driver Version: 430.50 CUDA Version: 10.1
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902[10:16:24] <at0m> Rabalidad48: now, does it do what you need it to do?
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905[10:16:52] <at0m> also, for further support, #debian-next on OFTC
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907[10:17:06] <annadane> ,v nvidia-driver
908[10:17:07] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; stretch/non-free: 390.116-1; stretch-backports/non-free: 418.74-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 418.74-1; bullseye/non-free: 430.50-2; sid/non-free: 430.50-2; experimental/non-free: 440.26-1
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910[10:17:25] <annadane> yeah, uh, i hope you're not mixing sid with stable
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912[10:17:48] <annadane> !frankendebian
913[10:17:48] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
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916[10:18:38] <at0m> annadane: < Rabalidad> besides the issue I have I just noticed that I have stable and I prefer to have testing
917[10:18:45] <annadane> okay
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940[10:42:40] <np_complete> I went to ask to nvidia and cuda channels, still have the same issue, can not run even a simple CUDA sample program even nvidia-smi says CUDA 10.1 enabled
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960[10:55:56] <np_complete> I wonder if the cuda toolkit provided by debian is not working and I should get the CUDA toolkit from nvidia
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1009[11:27:27] <np_complete> I noticed that the module nvidia-uvm is not loaded, and if I try modprobe it, it returns no erro but lsmod does not list it, is not there
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1015[11:35:15] <np_complete> dmesg shows nothing regarding that morprobe
1016[11:36:16] <ratrace> np_complete: what about modprobe with -v or -nv ?
1017[11:38:00] <np_complete> modprobe returns no error, and does nothing
1018[11:38:22] <ratrace> np_complete: even with -v ?
1019[11:38:35] <np_complete> shows nothing
1020[11:39:30] <np_complete> only wiers thing on my system is that I have also the legacy 390xx drivers installed
1021[11:40:03] <np_complete> should I do "apt remove --purge *nvidia*" and then install nvidia-driver again?
1022[11:40:35] <annadane> does anyone know if flatpak's new version is due to make it into debian earlier than the day 10.2 gets released? it's mentioned in the point release that it'll be included but i thought point releaes are also just cumulative of stuff that's come before
1023[11:40:36] <ratrace> np_complete: I have no idea then, sorry. that's unusual of modprobe to not do anything and stay silent about it, even with -v
1024[11:40:59] <annadane> or rather it's mentioned in the email of the point release
1025[11:41:07] <ratrace> np_complete: because it should either error out, or show "insmod" line with -v
1026[11:41:16] <np_complete> I will try to remove all purge, and then install nvidia-driver again, wish me luck
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1028[11:41:35] <np_complete> some people suggest me to move to Ubuntu 18.04 but I do not want,.
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1030[11:42:31] <unknown_> Who can unsolve this?
1031[11:42:42] <unknown_> 7415963 789456123 74123 74123 74123698
1032[11:42:55] <unknown_> 78952 7415963 789456123 14789653 789456123
1033[11:43:03] <kadiro> ?
1034[11:43:05] <annadane> unknown_, this is not a cryptography channel
1035[11:43:09] <annadane> do you have a debian question?
1036[11:43:09] <ratrace> annadane: well the SUA mentions flatpak, but not the version
1037[11:43:11] <unknown_> 74123 74123698 74123
1038[11:43:25] <kadiro> hmm spamming
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1043[11:44:03] <annadane> well whatever, i'm sure i can wait until friday
1044[11:44:15] <ratrace> saturday :)
1045[11:44:15] <annadane> i considered using stable-proposed-updates but i don't want to start that stuff
1046[11:44:22] <annadane> yeah saturday
1047[11:45:02] <ratrace> annadane: current version in p-u is 1.2.5-0+deb10u1 so I'm guessing that's coming with 10.2
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1049[11:45:40] <ratrace> at least, according to this (I'm not sub'd the p-u repo): replaced-url
1050[11:45:50] <annadane> point releases are always a bit weird, they're meant to be something people can use for offline debian installs as a cumulative "here's everything you missed" but they're also used as real, "let's bundle eveything together to release on one day" things
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1054[11:49:27] <ratrace> AND they bring new stuff even if you updated religiously up until that saturday
1055[11:49:50] <ratrace> ferinstance, they bring ZFS slowdowns! (still butthurt about it, obvs)
1056[11:50:41] <annadane> to be fair it kind of does have to be standardized a bit
1057[11:50:48] <annadane> not every piece of software follows the same release track
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1066[11:53:37] <annadane> and also screw nvidia. i'm going to get AMD soon and then won't have to worry about "an old nvidia-driver versus the one in backports" or whatever
1067[11:54:04] <annadane> my card stops being fully supported in 2021 anyway, i think, so time to abandon ship
1068[11:54:23] <ratrace> aye! and me also AMD cpu. I'm fed up all these Intel bugs.
1069[11:54:32] <ratrace> Black friday? CPU me baby!
1070[11:54:33] <annadane> yep, AMD for both
1071[11:54:46] <ratrace> ryzzzzzen. preciousssss.
1072[11:55:18] <annadane> yeah i just don't know what hardware to get so Stable supports it
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1074[11:56:44] <np_complete> so yeah, wiped out all *nvidia*, and installed then nvidia-driver and nvidia-cuda-toolkit
1075[11:57:08] <np_complete> nvidia-msi says: NVIDIA-SMI 430.50 Driver Version: 430.50 CUDA Version: 10.1
1076[11:57:28] <np_complete> but sample apps do not work because tell that insufficient CUDA driver version
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1078[11:59:30] <ratrace> annadane: Imma put gentoo on it for maxxxxximum rice-up efficiency. no, actually, I am lol :)
1079[11:59:46] <annadane> good for you, i have no patience to figure out how to install gentoo
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1085[12:02:39] <np_complete> How to install CUDA using debian packet manager? am I missing something? I have installed nvidia-cuda-toolkit
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1092[12:05:42] <uso> The version of firefox-esr on buster is older than the one on stretch, probably some timestamp. So it refuses to start with the existing profiles after upgrade to buster. Is there any way to force it to use the existing profiles?
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1094[12:06:33] <ratrace> ,v firefox-eser
1095[12:06:34] <judd> No package named 'firefox-eser' was found in amd64.
1096[12:06:34] <ratrace> ,v firefox-esr
1097[12:06:35] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch: 60.7.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 60.8.0esr-1~deb10u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; jessie-security: 68.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 68.2.0esr-1~deb9u2; buster-proposed-updates: 68.2.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 68.2.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 68.2.0esr-1;
1098[12:06:37] <judd> sid: 68.2.0esr-1+b1
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1100[12:06:58] <ph4nt0m> nickserv identify lego_fatale
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1103[12:07:34] <yno> :)
1104[12:07:39] <uso> ratrace: the package version on buster is newer, but firefox inside of it apparently not (maybe later build date on stretch?), so firefox itself complains on start
1105[12:07:46] <ratrace> uso: what versions do you see? they're both supposed to be 68.2.0
1106[12:08:11] <ratrace> uso: firefox --version shows Mozilla Firefox 68.2.0esr for me
1107[12:08:15] <ratrace> (on buster)
1108[12:08:15] <uso> ratrace: indeed, both are 68.2.0
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1114[12:09:43] <ratrace> Guest14192: set up your IRC client for SASL and stop risking your passwords like this ftw :)
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1116[12:10:04] <uso> nevertheless it complains and thinks that the profiles are from a newer version
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1120[12:11:12] <uso> message on start: "Using an older version of Firefox can corrupt bookmarks ..." and the choices I have are "Create New Profile" and "Quit"
1121[12:11:37] <ratrace> weird.
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1124[12:12:35] <uso> I have about a dozen profiles and do not want to recreate them or can wait until a new firefox version arrives on buster
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1133[12:15:37] <pradatir> is that a way to prefix a cpu core dedicated to linux/subsystems ?
1134[12:16:05] <pradatir> module, video input/output
1135[12:16:10] <pradatir> graphics
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1153[12:30:12] <uso> The upgrade from stretch to buster aborted when configuring packages and told me: "APT had planned for dpkg to do more than it reported back" with a list of affected packages. Re-running apt-get dist-upgrade does nothing. Is there a way to automatically re-run the configuration step on the affected packages? Do I have to run a dpkg-reconfigure on each of these packages on my own? Or what can/should I do?
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1156[12:32:24] <n_1-c_k> uso, I saw that as a warning (prefixed with "W:") when installing etckeeper a while ago. I used the problem solving skill of "ignore it" which seems to have worked.
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1158[12:33:38] <uso> n_1-c_k: yes, the messages are warnings, I'm still a bit concerned that the affected packages are not completely or properly installed
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1161[12:34:02] <uso> is there a way to verify the proper installation of a package?
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1163[12:34:41] <n_1-c_k> 'dpkg --status', I guess?
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1166[12:35:30] <Fox> 'apt-get install -f' might solve a few problems too
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1168[12:37:33] <uso> n_1-c_k: does dpkg --status really check the package installation? I rather think is only reports the status from the package DB
1169[12:38:22] <uso> Fox: apt-get install -f also does nothing, I guess I also will ignore these warnings until I run into problems :)
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1171[12:39:06] <uso> at least the system is booting and starting up normally so far
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1173[12:39:50] <n_1-c_k> uso, such subtleties are beyond my ken I'm afraid. If things are working you're probably fine.
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1216[13:00:34] <MTB2019> for auto updates do i have to modify the default config file ?\
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1219[13:02:13] <ratrace> MTB2019: you mean using the unattended-upgrades package?
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1222[13:03:04] <MTB2019> ratrace: yes
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1224[13:04:34] <ratrace> MTB2019: you don't have to modify it but you can tweak it under /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/... And also keep in mind that it doesn't do all the security upgrades properly, ie. won't reboot your system and won't restart services on lib updates.
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1229[13:05:26] <MTB2019> ratrace: thats fine as i tend to shut down my pc when i leave or when i sleep
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1233[13:06:56] <MTB2019> ratrace: here is the content of the file. should i uncomment everything under ... Unattended-Upgrade::Origins-Pattern {
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1235[13:07:02] <MTB2019> ?
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1239[13:08:23] <MTB2019> would that be a good idea?
1240[13:08:36] <ratrace> !tell MTB2019 about unattended-upgrades
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1244[13:09:32] <MTB2019> ratrace: yeah sure i was reading that guy but still...
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1258[13:21:26] <AndreasLutro> I'm building a package which has a dependency. is it possible to add a pre-installation script which runs before my dependency's post-install script is invoked? something like pretrans in rpms?
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1273[13:32:21] <eggplant_emoji> AndreasLutro: Does that dependent package do something to your system that can't be undone when it gets to be your turn to postinst?
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1276[13:35:54] <eggplant_emoji> preinst sounds like it might be it. replaced-url
1277[13:36:57] <AndreasLutro> eggplant_emoji: basically v1 of my package did something wrong and is preventing upgrade of my dependency because its postinst crashes, so I'm trying to find the best way to build a v2 of my package which fixes the issue before the dependency gets upgraded. preinst seems to be invoked after the dependency's postinst
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1279[13:37:53] <AndreasLutro> so far best solution seems to be using prerm and checking if [ "$1" = 'upgrade' ]
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1283[13:40:05] <eggplant_emoji> Oof
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1290[13:43:19] <ladderff> morning
1291[13:43:24] <ladderff> EST
1292[13:44:02] <wsky> .gm
1293[13:44:28] <wsky> morning (UWT)
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1298[13:47:01] <AndreasLutro> that almost works, but unfortunately apt doesn't seem to re-read /etc/environment between my prerm script and the postinst of my dependency... I can't find a way to set an environment variable specifically for apt, nor a way to make apt re-read system environment variables
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1303[13:49:24] <kunkka> hi everyone
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1308[13:50:30] <kunkka> what about sharing repo/package|folder/package.git
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1310[13:50:42] <kunkka> main/contrib
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1486[13:51:17] <kunkka> compressed file containing all packages.git
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1492[13:52:22] <kunkka> what about sharing repo/package|folder/package.git
1493[13:52:27] <kunkka> main/contrib
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1678[13:54:13] <dob1> hi, can I search files on subdirectories (just first level) which creation date is between a range=
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1687[13:55:06] <ratrace> dob1: checked if find(1) has any options for date ranges?
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1693[13:55:25] <dob1> ratrace, I was thinking the same
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1712[13:56:29] <thiras> hello. i'm trying to update from 9 to 10
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1719[13:56:47] <thiras> i've updated my source list and do update and upgrade and then dist-upgrade
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1728[13:57:24] <thiras> but i'm getting Kernel must be upgraded This version of the GNU libc requires kernel version 3.2 or later. Please upgrade your kernel before installing glibc.
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1763[14:00:05] <ratrace> thiras: and what's your kernel version? uname -a
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1787[14:06:11] <thiras> i've found that it's openvz
1788[14:06:16] <thiras> it's impossible to upgrade 10
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1790[14:07:05] <ratrace> consider switching away to way more modern hosting solution, than an openvz container that you can't upgrade, as you can see
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1817[14:18:42] <ELFrederich> With RPM based package managers I can do proper source level modifications. Is this possible on Debian? By proper I mean there is a process and set of tools which gets the sources, applies the patches, and builds new .rpm files.
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1822[14:20:15] <eggplant_emoji> Yes, it is possible.
1823[14:20:16] <ayekat> ELFrederich: yes, but Debian has a fundamentally different approach to building packages than most other distributions
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1825[14:20:36] <ayekat> for building debian packages, you maintain a downstream fork of the code
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1828[14:21:03] <ayekat> so the process of "applying patches" is not really part of the build process per-se
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1832[14:22:24] <ELFrederich> ayekat: ahh... with RHEL based distros there is a .spec file which defines all patches and a command which applies them. You end up with a source tree exactly as it was when the original build was made. At that point you can add your own patch to the .spec file and build your own set of .rpm files
1833[14:23:03] <ELFrederich> ayekat: I'm assuming Debian also applies patches?... or does this fork already contain the patches?
1834[14:23:35] <ELFrederich> For reference: replaced-url
1835[14:23:35] <ayekat> ELFrederich: debian does apply patches - the debian workflow is IMHO actually more suited for maintaining downstream patches
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1838[14:23:52] <jelly> ELFrederich: sources and debian changes (including package building framework and any patches to source) are kept separate
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1840[14:24:03] <jelly> !nmg
1841[14:24:03] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
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1843[14:24:16] <jelly> !deb-src
1844[14:24:16] <dpkg> You can have apt download the <source package> from which a <binary package> was compiled using a "deb-src" line in your <sources.list>. A line like "deb-src replaced-url
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1857[14:30:58] <ayekat> ELFrederich: the rpm specfile approach is similar to what pacman/portage/nix/apkg do - but it helps to ignore anything you know about packaging when approaching debian's way
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1870[14:34:07] <annadane> apkg?
1871[14:35:18] <ELFrederich> ayekat: thanks... I'll look at those
1872[14:35:51] <uso> torbrowser only gets me a black window on buster. It might have to do with using awesome as a window manager, but setting wmname to LG3D which helped for some java applications does not help for torbrowser. Any ideas?
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1876[14:38:02] <Scruloose> I'm looking for suggestions for what webserver to install for a modest home server (mostly for static content, making files available to friends, that sort of thing). Easy "let's encrypt" (certbot?) integration is highly desirable, and my #1 priority is minimum headaches with configuration and maintenance. Thoughts?
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1878[14:38:51] <ayekat> annadane: ah, apk, not apkg ^^ (alpine's package manager)
1879[14:38:57] <FightingFalcon> Whats the best and simplest lazy load plugin for wordpress?
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1889[14:43:22] <n_1-c_k> Scruloose, I use lighttpd, though I have no plans for "let's encrypt". Works well enough for me.
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1892[14:44:21] <Scruloose> uso: my first thought is to try it on a more... traditional window manager, to see whether that's where the problem is coming from.
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1903[14:53:39] <karlpinc> Scruloose: Nginx is really simple to configure, although of course you have many features you _could_ configure.
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1909[14:56:00] <Scruloose> karlpinc: As long as I'm not running with insecure/broken/stupid defaults by completely ignoring most of its capabilities, that could be a fine choice.
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1912[14:57:51] <Scruloose> n_1-c_k: I've looked at lighttpd and been tempted. It doesn't seem to have certbot support, but apparently it's fairly painless to do "let's encrypt" auto-renewal via a systemd timer, so that's not necessarily a deal-breaker.
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1925[15:06:27] <ov3rmind> hello great guys!
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1929[15:07:18] <annadane> hello linux77
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1946[15:13:25] <FightingFalcon> `find /var/replaced-url
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1949[15:13:39] <FightingFalcon> how go i get the file names of this command WITHOUT directory names?
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1952[15:13:57] <greycat> if you're using -iname, it's already case-insensitive, so you don't have to use both *.jpg and *.JPG
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1954[15:14:59] <greycat> the easiest way to get "only the filenames" would be to cd /var/replaced-url
1955[15:15:50] <karlpinc> Scruloose: The nginx defaults do nothing but serve static pages. Hard to be insecure with that.
1956[15:16:14] <FightingFalcon> greycat, but i do run it from a script
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1959[15:16:48] <greycat> scripts can cd
1960[15:16:50] <FightingFalcon> is there a way to file name from the input?
1961[15:17:07] <greycat> you can use -printf and look up the option to print "only the basename of the file" in the manual
1962[15:17:10] <FightingFalcon> extract***
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1964[15:17:17] <greycat> but as I said, cd'ing first is the EASIEST
1965[15:17:19] <karlpinc> Scruloose: In the end, anything works. I always figure as long as I'm learning something I may as well learn only one thing that will serve all my needs. I've used lighttpd and like it too, but it's only suitable for some tasks.
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1967[15:18:08] <Scruloose> karlpinc: heh! fair enough. I just remember trying to set up Apache years ago and being confronted with a tree of, I dunno, hundreds? of config files. It was about as approachable as the cockpit of a jet-liner. That's what I want to avoid.
1968[15:18:34] <karlpinc> Scruloose: Apache's wack. It grew like topsy, without a plan.
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1971[15:19:59] <FightingFalcon> Im in the same directory but still directory names appear :(
1972[15:20:14] <greycat> specify . as the starting point
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1974[15:20:32] <Scruloose> karlpinc: As long as I can extend it from the totally simple default setup in manageable little chunks, I'm inclined to favour your approach of learning one tool which can grow with me if need be.
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1976[15:20:52] <karlpinc> Scruloose: Try and see.
1977[15:20:55] <ratrace> greycat: FightingFalcon: how about using basename on the result? -exec basename {} \; ?
1978[15:21:18] <greycat> ratrace: -printf is a better choice as long as it doesn't need to run on non-Debian systems
1979[15:21:33] <greycat> but cd and find . is still the easist, and is also 100% portable
1980[15:21:40] <Scruloose> karlpinc: Can't argue with that!
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1983[15:23:14] <FightingFalcon> ratrace, i have no idea how to use that
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1985[15:23:40] <greycat> that's fine, because it's not the best answer
1986[15:23:47] <FightingFalcon> do cwebp -quiet -q 80 ${x} -o /var/image${x}.webp;
1987[15:23:54] <ratrace> FightingFalcon: greycat has a point, you can use -printf '%f\n'
1988[15:23:54] <greycat> QUOTES!!
1989[15:24:04] <FightingFalcon> btw whats wrong with this? it gives the error: line 3: $'\r': command not found
1990[15:24:12] <greycat> FightingFalcon: carriage returns from Windows/DOS
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1992[15:24:17] <ratrace> I keep forgetting find has a printf function
1993[15:24:23] <karlpinc> Scruloose: When I setup certbot I always do the "certonly --webroot /foo" type of setup. It's a little more work but includes no voodoo. You have to understand that webroot is where a http connection is allowed to connect, without https, and configure that for yourself. IIRC the letsencrypt docs cover this. If not then the acme protocol rfc.
1994[15:24:24] <FightingFalcon> what carriage
1995[15:24:37] <greycat> \r is a carriage return character
1996[15:24:42] <greycat> !cr
1997[15:24:42] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, cr is Costa Rica. Carriage Return, or your fecking enter key ;)
1998[15:24:47] <greycat> *sigh*
1999[15:24:50] <greycat> /msg greybot cr
2000[15:24:52] <dvs> heh
2001[15:24:57] <FightingFalcon> huh
2002[15:25:28] <FightingFalcon> so how do i correct it?
2003[15:25:29] <karlpinc> Scruloose: It's all about how the acme protocol works to validate you own the domain.
2004[15:25:31] <greycat> some file was edited by a DOS/Windows application and the line endings are different from what Linux uses
2005[15:25:45] <FightingFalcon> ahhhhhhhhhh
2006[15:25:46] <FightingFalcon> i got it
2007[15:25:47] <FightingFalcon> thanks :d
2008[15:25:47] <greycat> As greybot says, "See replaced-url
2009[15:26:18] <ratrace> why don't you invite the little robot here as well
2010[15:26:30] <greycat> we already have more than enough bots here
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2012[15:26:59] <bolt> need more boats
2013[15:27:05] <greycat> dpkg, cr is also See <replaced-url
2014[15:27:06] <dpkg> okay, greycat
2015[15:27:55] <Scruloose> karlpinc: That definitely sounds like it'
2016[15:28:27] <Scruloose> oops, enter key != shift key
2017[15:29:06] <karlpinc> Scruloose: Using "certonly" you can setup for any webserver, not just the ones "supporting integration".
2018[15:30:28] <karlpinc> Scruloose: The nice thing about nginx is that you can leave the default configs untouched and do your configs in include files (in included directories). That way you pick up any changes in the default configs as you upgrade the nginx package.
2019[15:30:43] <Scruloose> karlpinc: sounds like it'll be helpful info--added to my notes file! My plan ultimately is to redirect all incoming http connections to https, and I definitely prefer solutions that minimize the amount of voodoo I don't understand. Especially security solutions.
2020[15:31:30] <karlpinc> Scruloose: The "trick" is to _not_ redirect to https that part of document root that is used by certbot.
2021[15:31:31] <teclo-> afternoon, everytime I try to use ntpdate to set the time on a machine, all I get is 14 Nov 15:30:56 ntpdate[6698]: no server suitable for synchronization found
2022[15:31:50] <teclo-> tried different servers
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2025[15:32:05] <teclo-> be.pool.ntp.org
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2027[15:32:11] <FightingFalcon> find /var/replaced-url
2028[15:32:12] <teclo-> ntp.belnet.be
2029[15:32:20] <FightingFalcon> this command doesnt work if there is space in name file name :/
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2031[15:32:36] <greycat> FightingFalcon: you did not listen to a SINGLE THING we told you. *plonk*
2032[15:32:41] <greycat> Next!
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2034[15:32:55] <FightingFalcon> huh
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2037[15:33:47] <karlpinc> teclo-: Can it talk to the servers? (Can you ping?) Is there something blocking the ntp ports? (use hping or some such to test) Is there anything else in the logs?
2038[15:33:47] <Scruloose> karlpinc: Oh! yes, good! So unattended-upgrades can actually do some good. (also, noted re: certbot's part of document root. Thanks!)
2039[15:34:12] <teclo-> karlpinc: to me it can talk to the servers, yes
2040[15:34:18] <teclo-> I'll check by pinging
2041[15:34:40] <teclo-> yeah the pings go through
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2044[15:35:07] <teclo-> karlpinc: which log should I look ?
2045[15:35:16] <karlpinc> teclo-: Ping is only the most basic level of connectivity. Next you need to check if traffic goes through to that port.
2046[15:35:34] <karlpinc> teclo-: /var/log/syslog (usually) has everything but security sensitive stuff.
2047[15:36:02] <teclo-> karlpinc: ok checking
2048[15:36:02] <karlpinc> teclo-: "ntpq -p" might be useful.
2049[15:36:36] <karlpinc> teclo-: ntpq might be able to do other diagnostics too.
2050[15:37:15] <teclo-> hm ntpq isn't there.. I guess I need to apt install ntpstat, right ?
2051[15:37:28] <greycat> ,file bin/ntpq
2052[15:37:30] <FightingFalcon> omg
2053[15:37:33] <FightingFalcon> please help me
2054[15:37:34] <judd> Search for bin/ntpq in buster/amd64: ntp: usr/bin/ntpq; ntpsec: usr/bin/ntpq
2055[15:37:46] <greycat> either ntp, or ntpsec, apparently
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2057[15:39:43] <teclo-> ok ntp installed
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2059[15:40:03] <teclo-> ntpq -p shows four remote servers starting with debian.pool.n
2060[15:40:03] <FightingFalcon> Will you help me before i start harming myself?
2061[15:40:15] <teclo-> and I can't see the rest of the hostname
2062[15:40:32] <annadane> ...you got addressed by greycat
2063[15:40:39] <annadane> and no new information since then
2064[15:41:30] <greycat> teclo-: the .POOL. entries are just an indicator that it'll look for one or more hosts in that pool. The individual hosts are listed later.
2065[15:41:45] <teclo-> greycat: ah thank you
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2068[15:43:40] <jelly> FightingFalcon: avoid making comments about self-harm, that won't be tolerated in here
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2070[15:44:42] <teclo-> well it appears now I've got a ntp server running
2071[15:44:49] <teclo-> but ntpdate server still fails
2072[15:45:00] <greycat> To recap, I told FightingFalcon that they don't need to repeat *.jpg and *.JPG when they're using -iname, and then ratrace and I gave them THREE options for how to get to their desired solution, zero of which were used in their example right before I /ignored.
2073[15:45:25] <greycat> !ntpdate
2074[15:45:25] <dpkg> ntpdate is an obsolete and unmaintained program to set a system clock via <NTP>. Just install the ntp package instead. Since Debian 5.0 "Lenny", ntp's default configuration files (NTPD_OPTS='-g' in /etc/default/ntp, 'iburst' option for default servers in /etc/ntp.conf) make ntpdate unnecessary. See also <why not ntpdate>.
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2082[15:50:19] <B|ack0p> hi
2083[15:50:25] <B|ack0p> newly installed debian 10
2084[15:50:39] <B|ack0p> i edited /etc/apt/sources.list for non-free
2085[15:50:53] <B|ack0p> but when i run update and full-upgrade nothng installed
2086[15:51:13] <B|ack0p> i need to get intel wireless please
2087[15:51:28] <jelly> B|ack0p: that is fine. Nothing will happen until you explicitely ask apt to install.
2088[15:51:28] <B|ack0p> how can i do?
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2090[15:51:41] <B|ack0p> thx jelly
2091[15:51:48] <B|ack0p> this is X61s not X40
2092[15:52:04] <B|ack0p> so it will handle 64bit debian 10 fine
2093[15:52:11] <B|ack0p> just i dont know how to setup wifi
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2095[15:54:34] <greycat> Figure out what your device (chipset) is, then find instructions for how to handle that specific device, then follow general instructions for how to configure a wireless interface.
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2097[15:55:27] <B|ack0p> intel wifi 3495
2098[15:55:48] <greycat> Either "lspci -nn" or "lsusb" is typically the first step in identifying the actual chipset.
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2100[15:56:47] <towo^work> apt instell firmware-iwlwifi
2101[15:56:50] <B|ack0p> here is lspci : replaced-url
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2103[15:57:02] <teclo-> greycat: ah thank you, I didn't know ntpdate was "legacy"
2104[15:57:09] <teclo-> or well, obsolete even
2105[15:57:12] <greycat> ugh, is that the site where you have to register to view the raw paste?
2106[15:57:34] <greycat> oh, hmm, curl-ing it is close enough to raw that I can read it
2107[15:57:46] <B|ack0p> towo^work great thank you
2108[15:57:54] <greycat> 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection [8086:4227] (rev 02)
2109[15:58:11] <greycat> ,pciid 8086:4227
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2111[15:58:13] <judd> [8086:4227] is 'PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'iwl3945', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also replaced-url
2112[15:58:47] <greycat> replaced-url
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2120[16:03:15] <B|ack0p> back on wifi :p
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2123[16:03:32] <B|ack0p> i didnt install any window manager just debian
2124[16:03:39] <B|ack0p> i mean i left it default
2125[16:03:51] <B|ack0p> so now how can i install gnome shell and gnome classic look please?
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2129[16:06:50] <greycat> "gnome classic look" sounds like "mate", right?
2130[16:07:00] <greycat> !install mate
2131[16:07:00] <dpkg> To install <MATE> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install mate-desktop-environment» (for more things, also install mate-desktop-environment-extras). To install using Debian-Installer: from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "MATE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue".
2132[16:07:20] <B|ack0p> greycat: not really
2133[16:07:22] <zenpac> Is there a standard/preferred way to install docker on 10.1? I see conflicting advisement on mr. google.
2134[16:07:28] <B|ack0p> i want plain gnome classic look
2135[16:07:30] <greycat> Then, you want GNOME 3.x?
2136[16:07:32] <greycat> !install gnome
2137[16:07:32] <dpkg> To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. replaced-url
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2139[16:08:41] <jelly> B|ack0p: if you have 2GB or less RAM on that X61s, you might want something a bit more lean than Gnome, but Gnome might probably work as well
2140[16:08:54] <B|ack0p> jelly: 8gb ram
2141[16:08:56] <greycat> You can try it and see how it goes.
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2143[16:09:10] <B|ack0p> greycat: it says task-gnome-desktop already installed
2144[16:09:20] <jelly> B|ack0p: oh, that's nice then
2145[16:09:29] <B|ack0p> jelly: ddr2 but fine :p
2146[16:09:42] <B|ack0p> it was rare 2x4gb ddr2 sticks
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2148[16:10:29] <B|ack0p> i regret not installing it at the beginning :S
2149[16:10:30] <B|ack0p> grrr
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2151[16:10:50] <B|ack0p> how can i install gnome xcfe and xde and others ?
2152[16:11:02] <B|ack0p> maybe it is better to reinstall everything
2153[16:11:17] <B|ack0p> i mean all those packs offered in debian installation
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2158[16:13:37] <greycat> You could run tasksel.
2159[16:13:47] <B|ack0p> ok brb
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2163[16:20:02] <teclo-> afternoon I'm a regular user of Debian GNU/Linux and I just clean installed 10.1 on my new server... I noticed that in text-mode the screen blanking has gone... is that a feature ? Is that because nowadays "most people use a LCD/LED screen" ?
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2166[16:21:37] <Ryblade> graphical login is not working in my fresh buster install
2167[16:21:59] <Ryblade> i chose Plasma as my DE in tasksel, didn't choose any other DEs. on first boot, i'm at the console instead of SDDM.
2168[16:22:24] <Ryblade> systemctl says sddm.service is active and running, but it isn't.
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2171[16:22:39] <greycat> Does startx work?
2172[16:22:42] <Ryblade> startx works fine, yeah
2173[16:22:54] <greycat> Tried Ctrl-Alt-F7 and Ctrl-Alt-F1?
2174[16:23:01] <Ryblade> yeah, nothing's on F7
2175[16:23:17] <Ryblade> F1 is just another console TTY
2176[16:23:17] <greycat> Then I guess the next step would be "journalctl -u sddm"
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2178[16:24:36] <Ryblade> just five lines, the typical Starting and Started are the first two, followed by Initializing... Starting... Logind interface found
2179[16:25:05] <Ryblade> hold on, i'll get it on a pastebin
2180[16:25:32] <greycat> I've got some stretch systems that run kde/sddm and there's a whole lot more in journalctl.
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2182[16:25:55] <greycat> replaced-url
2183[16:27:20] <Ryblade> replaced-url
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2185[16:27:55] <greycat> I don't know what that means. Google it?
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2188[16:29:31] <B|ack0p> hi again
2189[16:29:43] <B|ack0p> how can i install memtest86 and add in grub menu?
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2196[16:32:20] <greycat> Ryblade: first google result I get is from Arch, and they claim they needed to "add radeon module to initramfs". Dunno if that's relevant on Debian.
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2198[16:32:47] <gladioacuto> hi
2199[16:32:48] <Ryblade> yeah greycat i just finished reading that myself, and i just happened to have installed a radeon, too.
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2201[16:32:54] <Ryblade> i think that may be the culprit
2202[16:33:13] <Ryblade> gonna investigate further.
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2208[16:33:44] <gladioacuto> I am trying to use add ons in firefox-esr on my debian buster, but I get no updated version errors. But firefox-esr in Debian is at build number 68 and the required one is 48. How to solve?
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2210[16:34:32] <greycat> Find a different add-on that achieves the goal.
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2213[16:35:12] <gladioacuto> greycat, e.g. tg and whatsapp do not have another addon achieving the same goal
2214[16:35:36] * greycat googles ... oh, "tg" is this "telegram" thing
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2217[16:36:36] <greycat> replaced-url
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2233[16:40:30] <Lope> is mariadb functionally a replacement for mysql?
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2235[16:40:34] <greycat> yes
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2237[16:41:59] <Haohmaru> you're all cheating on mysql with this maria
2238[16:42:09] <teclo-> ok so regarding that screen blanking disabled by default on Debian 10.1 ... is that a feature ?
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2245[16:44:46] <Lope> greycat, my LXC container gave errors at the end of installing mariadb-server. Should I be worried? replaced-url
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2248[16:45:11] <Lope> it's an unprivleged LXC container.
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2250[16:45:35] <Lope> mariadb service is running
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2252[16:45:43] <Lope> so it couldn't have gone that badly.
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2256[16:46:34] <lunchslut> anyone here happen to multilingual and take advantage for ibus/uim fcitx or something for input method swithcing? ibu used to be all I neeeded, but quit working for me on 10.1
2257[16:46:50] <lunchslut> i'eve go no diea how to begin debugin it
2258[16:46:54] <lunchslut> It is reproducible thuogh
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2284[16:59:08] <KungFuJesus> is it normal on debian testing for /etc/os-release to indicate you're on sid?
2285[17:00:03] <jelly> yes, KungFuJesus
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2288[17:01:33] <lunchslut> does anyone know why OFTC debian doesnt permit tor-sasl users? I understand the inherent comlications, but a DSBL could be used with expemtions added. Not everyone want to connecto IRC in teh clear
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2290[17:02:11] <lunchslut> i'd ask there but i banned for reason above :<
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2322[17:18:41] <Ryblade> hey greycat, just wanted to pop back in and say thanks, i've got SDDM working now
2323[17:18:49] <greycat> what did you have to do?
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2326[17:19:19] <Ryblade> i had to install some more packages related to my video card.
2327[17:19:38] <Ryblade> found an article on the wiki relating to ATI/AMD cards, followed the Buster directions, bob's your uncle
2328[17:19:38] <B|ack0p> all set
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2332[17:21:21] <B|ack0p> on gnome-classic mode how can i disable dock that when i move the pointer at left-top corner?
2333[17:21:24] <Ryblade> this one replaced-url
2334[17:21:50] <Ryblade> turns out i needed firmware that isn't included by default, probably licencing reasons
2335[17:22:09] <Ryblade> anyway, take care
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2339[17:24:11] <B|ack0p> when i move the cursor at left-top dock is appearing
2340[17:24:14] <B|ack0p> annoying
2341[17:24:24] <B|ack0p> i already have applications at top-bar on gnome classic
2342[17:24:29] <B|ack0p> how can i disable that dock?
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2360[17:34:02] <jelly> lunchslut: I _think_ the workaround is to authenticate your NickServ user (with CertFP) and then you get a different cloak, but I'm not 100% sure that applies correctly to Tor connections
2361[17:34:32] <jelly> lunchslut: #oftc channel over there might know.
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2365[17:35:39] <jelly> lunchslut: in other words, you can't be both Tor and anonymous at the same time, you need to be pseudonymous, so we are able to ban your ass if you misbehave
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2368[17:36:58] <jelly> tor-sasl ought to work
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2377[17:40:57] <thalll> FOTOS EROTICAS REGISTRATE GRATIS replaced-url
2378[17:40:57] <thalll> FOTOS EROTICAS REGISTRATE GRATIS replaced-url
2379[17:40:58] <thalll> FOTOS EROTICAS REGISTRATE GRATIS replaced-url
2380[17:40:59] <thalll> FOTOS EROTICAS REGISTRATE GRATIS replaced-url
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2382[17:41:19] <B|ack0p> huh
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2384[17:42:46] <lunchslut> jelly: understanably, i jsut figured it was similar to tor that you get a /tor-sasl/username cloak that is bannable
2385[17:43:06] <lunchslut> and given that debian hosts hidden service mirriso i didn think it'd be restrictive :)
2386[17:43:14] <lunchslut> ill make sure im registered
2387[17:43:19] <jelly> lunchslut: from #oftc, <pastly> (1) oftc doesn't support sasl. (2) registered and verified users can enable their cloak and get into anti-tor rooms with their cloak on
2388[17:44:02] <lunchslut> damn, bummer. OK
2389[17:44:11] <lunchslut> thanks for looking into it for e
2390[17:44:16] <kadiro> o.O
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2392[17:44:40] <jelly> lunchslut: CertFP is probably good enough, look at that
2393[17:44:54] <ctrlrisc> is there a way to extract xar archives in linux other than using xar, which is long out of date and unbuildable? Google is giving me nothing, and I'm wondering if I'm missing something
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2397[17:45:21] <jelly> ctrlrisc: this is the first time I've heard of xar, do you have an example file?
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2399[17:46:00] <ctrlrisc> jelly: uh. well, I'm trying to extract some fonts from apple, apparently they use it for making pkg files
2400[17:46:43] <ctrlrisc> as far as I can tell, Google created it back in 2007, then apple started using it in OSX, and the last update to the code on github was 7 years ago
2401[17:46:53] <jelly> oh, do you have an example file that you can legally share?
2402[17:46:56] <ctrlrisc> it uses libssl1.0, which isn't available anymore
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2404[17:47:05] <ctrlrisc> hang on, there's a link on apple's site
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2408[17:48:17] <ctrlrisc> I downloaded the SF Mono font, which comes as a DMG. I used 7zip to extract it, which gives a pkg, while file says is an xar archive
2409[17:48:26] <ctrlrisc> $ file SF\ Mono\ Fonts.pkg
2410[17:48:29] <ctrlrisc> SF Mono Fonts.pkg: xar archive version 1, SHA-1 checksum
2411[17:48:47] <uniqdom> getting the md5sum of a big file turns my system unresponsive. what could be the problem?
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2415[17:49:17] <jelly> ctrlrisc: you can set up a debian 8 chroot if you have a binary that requires libssl.so.1.0.0, install libssl1.0.0 and run it in there
2416[17:49:17] <uniqdom> it's a i7 with 16GB
2417[17:49:27] <ctrlrisc> I wish I understood autoconf scripts, I can't figure out why this isn't detecting openssl libs tho. The function it's trying to check for exists still, and I got a test program to compile
2418[17:49:29] <uniqdom> could it be the io scheduler of the hdd?
2419[17:49:48] <kadiro> uniqdom, see what dmesg gives you
2420[17:49:51] <HEX0> any idea which debian could it be if uname returns "3.2.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.102-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux"
2421[17:49:58] <jelly> !debian suite
2422[17:49:58] <dpkg> cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions.
2423[17:50:00] <jelly> HEX0: ^
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2425[17:50:07] <ctrlrisc> jelly: woof. Heh I think I'm going to just not bother. I got linked to those fonts on a reddit post and was just curious
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2429[17:50:55] <jelly> ctrlrisc: and googling "unpack apple fonts on linux" does not yield useful results?
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2431[17:50:56] <HEX0> jelly: thanks it says wheezy
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2433[17:51:05] <uniqdom> kadiro: there are no messages related to this. the last message was about a USB mouse connected early in the morning, and the system becoming unresponisve was a few minutes ago.
2434[17:51:07] <jelly> HEX0: that's Debian 7, wheezy
2435[17:52:16] <kadiro> ah you already said that the file is big, it could be that
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2438[17:53:29] <uniqdom> the io scheduler selected for this hdd is [mq-deadline]
2439[17:53:49] <ctrlrisc> jelly: not for this case. "xar linux build" and any variant just mentions installing libssl1.0-dev which used to exist but not anymore. I'd like to ideally fix the xar code to build with openssl1.1 so that we have that tool for the future
2440[17:53:58] <HEX0> jelly: is there wheezy specific documentation which covers default logger init and everything specific to it?
2441[17:54:01] <jelly> uniqdom: which debian release is this? running md5sum on a single file should not cause responsiveness issues. Maybe if the file is on a USB2 external device and you're really unlucky with drivers.
2442[17:54:31] <uniqdom> i'm on testing
2443[17:54:33] <jelly> ctrlrisc: I'd build it in a jessie or stretch chroot.
2444[17:54:41] <greycat> HEX0: wheezy used sysvinit, and only had a "technology preview" of systemd. It's highly likely you're just using regular sysvinit from the good old days.
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2448[17:55:02] <jelly> dpkg, tell HEX0 about wheezy release notes
2449[17:55:31] <jelly> uniqdom: what does "uname -a" say?
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2451[17:56:02] <HEX0> and for daemon supervisor?
2452[17:56:11] <B|ack0p> how can i disable/remove gnome dock please?
2453[17:56:28] <greycat> HEX0: are you asking "how does sysvinit work?" Poorly.
2454[17:56:29] <jelly> HEX0: there is no daemon supervisor by default.
2455[17:56:42] <greycat> legacy init.d shell scripts
2456[17:56:55] <greycat> multiple layers of bolted-on cruft
2457[17:57:08] <HEX0> greycat: I'm just sshed into foreign server trying to figure it out
2458[17:57:11] <uniqdom> jelly: Linux ares 5.2.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.2.17-1 (2019-09-26) x86_64 GNU/Linux
2459[17:57:15] <jelly> HEX0: sysvinit does not do that. You can set up your own with tools like "monit" or replace functionality with "runit" or "daemontools"
2460[17:57:17] <ctrlrisc> jelly: that would solve the immediate problem, but I'm just amazed that this code has gone completely unmaintained. I'm going to poke around with rewriting it to not depend on openssl1.0
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2462[17:57:50] <jelly> ctrlrisc: that probably just says people who switched to OSX do not care about switching back
2463[17:58:45] <jelly> uniqdom: that looks like testing alright. Ask in the right channel, maybe file a bug report esp. if it happens on multiple systems.
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2465[17:58:50] <jelly> !debian-next
2466[17:58:50] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2467[17:58:55] <jelly> uniqdom: ^ the right channel
2468[17:59:00] <uniqdom> ok thanks
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2480[18:03:34] <elm_> can anyone tell me what desktop environment debian-live-10.1.0-amd64-standard+nonfree.iso employs?
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2482[18:03:46] <greycat> None?
2483[18:03:51] <elm_> it is neither xfce, nor gnome, nor cinnamon
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2485[18:04:00] <elm_> replaced-url
2486[18:04:01] <greycat> That would be my guess, anyway. If that's not correct, ask the #debian-live channel on OFTC.
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2488[18:04:23] <elm_> yes, you will be right
2489[18:04:57] <karlpinc> ctrlrisc: As long as you're going to maintain it, you might consider using libressl instead of openssl. I'm not advocating libressl, but am also not advocating openssl.
2490[18:05:45] <jelly> karlpinc: is libressl in debian?
2491[18:06:05] <karlpinc> jelly: I _thought so. Lemme look.
2492[18:06:05] <elm_> you mean irc.debian.org?
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2494[18:06:18] <elm_> I need to know the password for the screen saver as well
2495[18:06:23] <greycat> wooledg:~$ host irc.debian.org
2496[18:06:23] <greycat> irc.debian.org is an alias for irc.geo.oftc.net.
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2498[18:06:35] <greycat> !live password
2499[18:06:36] <dpkg> i heard live password is The debian-live images have a user account configured for you to use. username: user ; password: live
2500[18:06:58] <jelly> dpkg, literal live password
2501[18:06:58] <dpkg> "live password" is "The debian-live images have a user account configured for you to use. username: user ; password: live"
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2503[18:07:20] <jelly> dpkg, live password =~ s/The/<reply>The/
2504[18:07:20] <dpkg> OK, jelly
2505[18:07:32] <karlpinc> jelly: Guess not. So much for that.
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2512[18:10:37] <FightingFalcon> I want to make a script so that whenever i upload a jpg file to a specified directory, the script will convert the jpg file. is this possible?
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2514[18:12:44] <jelly> FightingFalcon: yes, it's possible
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2517[18:13:13] <jelly> I suspect you'll have another question immediately after that answer, tho
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2519[18:14:28] <FightingFalcon> no no, i need tips
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2521[18:14:41] <jelly> FightingFalcon: ##programming is over there however -> or if it involves web services, maybe try #web
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2531[18:18:21] <ctrlrisc> karlpinc: from what I can see so far, I think this archiver only uses ssl for the MD5 code. I'm pretty sure I can pull that from somewhere else
2532[18:18:24] <jelly> FightingFalcon: free general hint: you can separate the problem into functional blocks and then attack them one at a time eg. 1) how to detect a new file in a directory 2) how to make sure the file is complete and not still being uploaded 3) how to find out which file(s) are new and which have been dealt with already 3) how to do the desired conversion on a file
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2534[18:18:53] <ctrlrisc> karlpinc: the whole of SSL is a nightmare, I'd rather just completely remove any dependency on it or any derivation thereof
2535[18:18:57] <B|ack0p> how can i solve this problem? bluetooth hci0: firmware: failed to load brcm/BCM20702A1-0a5c-21e6.hcd (-2)
2536[18:19:14] <FightingFalcon> o m
2537[18:19:16] <FightingFalcon> o my god
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2539[18:19:19] <FightingFalcon> im a newbie
2540[18:19:36] <jelly> FightingFalcon: we were ALL newbies once, that's okay
2541[18:19:49] <jelly> judd: file brcm/BCM20702A1-0a5c-21e6.hcd
2542[18:19:54] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
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2544[18:20:46] <karlpinc> FightingFalcon: incron can be useful for isolating processing from a webserver.
2545[18:20:47] <jelly> FightingFalcon: don't get panicked, programming is not hard, but it requires some focus and perseverance
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2547[18:21:13] <jelly> and it should probably be taught in elementary schools, these days
2548[18:21:36] <jelly> but it's still out of scope for an operating system / distro channel
2549[18:21:38] <karlpinc> FightingFalcon: And you need to do things like learn to use an editor, understand file system permissions, and so forth before you can really get started.
2550[18:21:57] <jelly> they don't need to "understand file system permissions" to get STARTED
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2556[18:23:33] <karlpinc> jelly: Well, ok. No. Before putting a web page on the web though you'd better be sure that the whole world does not have write permissions to it.
2557[18:23:42] <FightingFalcon> ...
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2559[18:25:10] <karlpinc> There's just an annoying number of yaks to shave is my point.
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2562[18:26:18] <B|ack0p> bluetooth issue fixed
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2567[18:27:11] <ratrace> even better: before you deploy a linux server onto public internet, you better be sure you know what you're doing, or else you'll get pwn'd and then your box will be used to attack mine, and I don't like that.
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2577[18:30:59] <karlpinc> FightingFalcon: The whole point is to do stuff, which means making mistakes. So don't sweat it.
2578[18:31:27] <jelly> but also, ask in the right place for the question
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2580[18:32:04] <FightingFalcon> thanks karlpinc
2581[18:32:06] <karlpinc> First ask your distro, then ask the original software authors, then go looking for advice from random strangers on the net.
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2583[18:34:42] <FightingFalcon> yep
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2600[18:41:55] <lunchslut> jelly: Damn, even CertFP didn't help. :( Looks like they just baned all hostnames *tor-dnsbl* but thanks for the suggestions :)
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2604[18:43:05] <jackal> hello, why apt rei<TAB> doesnt autocomplete to reinstall and how to fix it?
2605[18:43:18] <jackal> running testing with bash as shell
2606[18:43:27] <lunchslut> oh but nevermind, i can get a public cloak it seems
2607[18:43:43] <jelly> lunchslut: talk to oftc NickServ about getting a per-user cloak, activate that cloak, and try again
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2610[18:44:37] <jelly> lunchslut: and try not to act surprised when you finally join official #debian and it's less than half the size of this one
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2624[18:56:26] <karlpinc> jackal: Are you pressing tab twice?
2625[18:56:52] <karlpinc> (In case there's more than one autocomplete.)
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2627[18:57:33] <mutante> no, i can confirm the issue he describes. autocomplete does not work for "apt reinstall" while it DOES work for "apt <something else>"
2628[18:57:51] <mutante> just "apt <tab>" by itself also shows all the options but not "reinstall"
2629[18:58:09] <mutante> i am also wondering now where to fix that
2630[18:58:34] <greycat> That would be in the bash-completion stuff, which is either shipped in the apt package, or in the bash-completion package.
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2633[18:59:08] <karlpinc> mutante: Somewhere there's a giant completion database. I suspect that the way to fix it is to use a backported newer version. Hopefully it's just data and painless to backport.
2634[18:59:15] <greycat> replaced-url
2635[18:59:18] <jackal> karlpinc, more than once or twice ;)
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2637[19:00:05] <mutante> aha, so for apt it is in the apt package and NOT in the separate autocompletion package. interesting
2638[19:00:48] <jackal> how come no one reported this or its not fixed when it documented in its manpage
2639[19:00:57] <greycat> !siyh
2640[19:00:57] <dpkg> hmm... siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? replaced-url
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2642[19:01:04] <mutante> " # supported options per command" "--reinstall --solver"
2643[19:01:29] <mutante> jackal: see in /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/apt
2644[19:01:42] <jackal> mutante, aware of that but reinstall alone is shorter :P
2645[19:01:42] <mutante> jackal: nobody reported it yet? i guess you should use "reportbug" on apt package
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2647[19:02:26] <jackal> im not 100% sure its not reported, i only assumed that since its not fixed
2648[19:02:35] <mutante> jackal: somebody forgot to add "reinstall" to line 73?
2649[19:02:36] <greycat> *snort*
2650[19:02:54] <karlpinc> !stable
2651[19:02:54] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Buster (10.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). replaced-url
2652[19:03:03] <greycat> Non-security bug fixing tends to be glacially slow
2653[19:03:04] <mutante> greycat: what does that comment mean?
2654[19:03:04] <karlpinc> It won't get fixed until the next major release.
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2657[19:03:25] <greycat> karlpinc: *if* it's reported, and *if* the maintainer of that particular package happens to care enough
2658[19:03:36] <jelly> karlpinc: surely it's the software authors that best know which completable options and parameters there are for their executables, not some giant database
2659[19:03:44] <jackal> karlpinc, good point! i dont have stable running, curious if anyone running it can confim?
2660[19:03:47] <jackal> confirm*
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2662[19:04:04] <mutante> jackal: confirmed on buster
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2664[19:04:08] <jackal> roger
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2667[19:04:58] <karlpinc> jelly: Poor wording. The giant db is built of smaller units. It's only giant on a running box.
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2671[19:05:25] <karlpinc> jelly: Anyway, you're right. The db isn't separate from the software.
2672[19:05:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: -o jelly
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2676[19:06:31] <karlpinc> (So there won't be something separate to backport.)
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2679[19:08:08] <jackal> mutante, so if i add reinstall to line 73, how to make it work? sourcing that file or /etc/bash_complete doesnt change anything
2680[19:08:52] <mutante> jackal: i dont know either. i just tried and also saw no difference when i expected one :(
2681[19:09:03] <greycat> There's a small #bash-completion channel on OFTC.
2682[19:09:20] <karlpinc> jackal: If you mess with that file it will likely get overwritten next time the package is updated.
2683[19:09:50] <karlpinc> jackal: (I've not looked, but seems likely.)
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2685[19:10:14] <mutante> it sure seems like you would want to add it to the "local COMMANDS=(" (line 38) but did not work for me
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2690[19:10:57] <FightingFalcon> karlpinc i made the script with inotifywait
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2692[19:11:17] <mutante> yea, messing with that file would be overwritten by package reinstall but at least you could already make a suggested patch to fix it
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2694[19:13:07] <jackal> mutante, i figured it out
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2696[19:13:22] <karlpinc> FightingFalcon: Note that inotify is not guarenteed. You'll need to run a cron job or something to cleanup just in case it misses an event.
2697[19:13:34] <jackal> add "reinstall" to line 42
2698[19:13:40] <jelly> mutante, jackal: you can use dpkg-divert to make package upgrades not overwrite your custom file
2699[19:14:01] <karlpinc> FightingFalcon: (In actual practice, it will always work. Until it doesn't. :)
2700[19:14:03] <jelly> if it's not a conffile
2701[19:14:13] <mutante> jackal: ah, i did that too but just failed to "source" it. works :)
2702[19:14:22] <jackal> yep
2703[19:14:37] <FightingFalcon> karlpinc, for some reason .sh script gives error about #!/bin/bash
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2708[19:15:48] <Lope> I resolved the problem I was having with the unprivleged container earlier if anyone's interested. I had accidentally clobbered the ownership of everything to UID 100000
2709[19:16:13] <Cyb0ti> Oh my... Thanks for the info
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2712[19:17:09] <Lope> bbl
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2725[19:21:45] <FightingFalcon> karlpinc, so this bash script will turn off when i close the terminal window right?
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2729[19:23:30] <currybullen> is using the esp as the boot partition generally a thing in debian?
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2737[19:26:01] <jelly> currybullen: no
2738[19:26:27] <jelly> separate /boot and /boot/efi (where ESP gets mounted to in Linux)
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2741[19:28:03] <currybullen> so if i have something like sda1 (esp), sda2 (boot partition) and sd3 (root partition), sda1 would be mounted at /boot and sda2 at /boot/efi?
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2745[19:29:14] <Habbie> currybullen, you mixed 1 and 2 up
2746[19:29:35] <currybullen> ah, right
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2781[19:50:46] <karlpinc> FightingFalcon: Unless you use "nohup". But that's probably not the right way to do it. Likely, you either want a systemd service or a cron job.
2782[19:51:24] <greycat> nohup is a vestigial command, serving virtually no purpose in this century
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2789[19:53:01] <revolutionary> is there any resource about installing encrypted physical volume on EFI systems? I couldn't find
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2800[19:56:49] <revolutionary> on Buster
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2803[19:58:25] <karlpinc> revolutionary: Why would EFI matter?
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2806[20:00:14] <revolutionary> karlpinc: i want to use EFI's secure feature
2807[20:00:23] <revolutionary> is this unnecessary?
2808[20:01:18] <karlpinc> revolutionary: Depends on the threat model. You probably want to install the cryptsetup package and read its readme.debian.
2809[20:01:21] <karlpinc> !readme.debian
2810[20:01:21] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
2811[20:02:00] <karlpinc> revolutionary: Otherwise, read the install guide.
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2814[20:02:33] <revolutionary> karlpinc: actually no. i want to install encrypted Debian Buster with debian-installer on UEFI BIOS.
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2816[20:03:33] <karlpinc> revolutionary: Then read the buster install guide.
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2818[20:04:22] <revolutionary> karlpinc: where is it? I couldn't find EFI installing steps with encrypted install
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2822[20:06:08] <karlpinc> I don't know offhand and can't look now.
2823[20:06:15] <revolutionary> i se
2824[20:06:17] <revolutionary> see*
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2826[20:06:48] <ws2k3> so i have a few vpn client. when they open the vpn tunnel they see this error /sbin/ip addr add dev tun0 172.15.145.232/24 broadcast 172.15.145.255
2827[20:06:48] <ws2k3> Error: Invalid prefix for given prefix length. what could this be?
2828[20:06:52] <choice> Hello! I have a VM that is supposed to have 50GB of disk space. But in "df -h" I only see 28GB mounted to / and some other very small devices. Where is the rest? How do I find out?
2829[20:07:07] <revolutionary> if someone knows that would be great. Thanks
2830[20:07:19] <telmich> choice: try fdisk -l
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2832[20:08:21] <karlpinc> revolutionary: Start here: replaced-url
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2834[20:09:04] <choice> telmich: Thanks. That shows me a sda of 50GiB, sda1 with 487M and sda2 with 29.5G. Where are the other 20GB?
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2836[20:09:33] <greycat> unpartitioned, it sounds like
2837[20:09:34] <karlpinc> ws2k3: It means you have bits set in the host part of your network mask. 232 turns on bits to the right of bit 24.
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2839[20:10:02] <karlpinc> ws2k3: You probably want 172.15.145.0/24
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2841[20:10:17] <choice> greycat: So they give you a 50G disk with 20 G unpartitioned?
2842[20:10:26] <greycat> who's "they"
2843[20:10:39] <B|ack0p> lagg
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2847[20:10:48] <annadane> the demons
2848[20:11:03] <choice> greycat: The provider.
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2850[20:11:28] <ws2k3> karlpinc hmm. no i dont think so. in my openvpn server i have this ifconfig-push 172.15.145.232 255.255.255.0 which tells the vpn client the ip it should use
2851[20:11:51] <Ankman> choice: may be when installed on a windows pc the missing part consists of the hidden partiton of the windows installation partition?
2852[20:12:20] <Ankman> fdisk -l might show it
2853[20:12:43] <choice> Ankman: It is a Linux VM.
2854[20:12:55] <Ankman> dang
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2856[20:13:55] <karlpinc> choice: Google for SSD write amplification. That could be why. Although 20G unused seems twice what'd be required worst case.
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2859[20:14:19] <choice> karlpinc: What is that?
2860[20:14:23] <karlpinc> ws2k3: I don't recall the syntax, but that's your problem.
2861[20:15:05] <karlpinc> choice: It means that hardware is designed for marketing reasons.
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2863[20:15:47] <jelly> ws2k3: shouldn't you upgrade to ws2k12r2
2864[20:15:50] * jelly hides
2865[20:15:52] <Ankman> choice: it might also be possible your VM does not show the Linux partition. i would't worry about this
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2867[20:15:59] <revolutionary> karlpinc: that page is not that i am looking for. Thanks, reserved
2868[20:16:42] <choice> Ankman: How do I check that?
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2871[20:19:38] <Ankman> choice: use the linux host, open a shell and type df
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2873[20:20:34] <choice> Ankman: replaced-url
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2881[20:22:53] <Ankman> choice: looks like linux has 474730 available
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2884[20:23:29] <somiaj> df -h will give you more readable numbers (like MB, GB, etc)
2885[20:23:32] <choice> Ankman: What does that mean?
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2887[20:23:48] <somiaj> choice: it is the number of bytes avaiable, though add a -h for more reasonable numbers.
2888[20:23:55] <Ankman> your VM seems not to see the full partition. suppose that's normal to no worry about it
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2890[20:24:20] <choice> Ankman: "see the full partition"?
2891[20:24:21] <Ankman> you see in your VM only the space you allocated to it
2892[20:25:14] <Ankman> which is less than you have available on Linux itself. suppose that's normal and i would not worry about it
2893[20:25:34] <choice> Ankman: I don't understand. How do I get the full 50GB?
2894[20:25:57] <choice> I noticed bacause I tried to create a 20GB file in / and it failed because "no more space on device".
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2908[20:29:51] <Ankman> choice: your /dev/sda1 has 474730 (almost 50) available. you might have assigned a smaller portion the the OS running in the VM. the OS in the VM cannot see how much space the host has available, which is a good thing
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2911[20:30:49] <rander2> hello all
2912[20:31:17] <jelly> Ankman: that's a 500MB /boot, it's not problematic
2913[20:32:00] <Ankman> sda1 should have 35 GB bytes available. no idea why 20GB allocated to the VM weren't not enough though
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2916[20:32:31] <jelly> choice: since you have LVM, you can use "vgs" to see if there's free space in the volume group. You can also use "lsblk" for a quick overview of how disk space is sliced up.
2917[20:32:47] <rander2> I'm going to reinstall debian, how may I copy a list of all installed packets, and replay it into new installation ?
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2919[20:32:55] <greycat> !clone debian
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2921[20:33:00] <greycat> ...
2922[20:33:10] <greycat> !debian clone
2923[20:33:10] <dpkg> One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>.
2924[20:33:15] <jelly> !pal greycat
2925[20:33:16] * dpkg points at greycat and laughs hysterically
2926[20:33:28] <choice> jelly: Well, I guess I first have to enlarge /dev/sda2 to use all 50GB
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2928[20:33:59] <jelly> choice: sorry, I missed the /dev/sda and /dev/sda2 sizes if you have shown them.
2929[20:34:00] <rander2> thx greycat
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2931[20:34:22] <Ankman> rander2: try Clonezilla
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2933[20:34:29] <choice> jelly: sda2 is 30GB and hosts the lvm shit.
2934[20:35:20] <jelly> choice: good. You can grow that partition, reboot, then grow the lvm PV, then grow the lvm LV and filesystem
2935[20:35:47] <rander2> Ankman, clonezilla is to clone disks or patitions, it's different
2936[20:36:14] <choice> jelly: I now did "parted /dev/sda" and inside that I did "resizepart 2 100%".
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2938[20:36:59] <jelly> choice: you will probably need a reboot for the kernel to become aware of the new size of the partition
2939[20:37:03] <choice> jelly: Looks like that enlarged /dev/sda2" to 50GB
2940[20:37:08] <beinbliss4> hi, i have apt downloaded linux-source-4.19 on stretch. But when i `make` it i get linux-image-4.19.67-rt24 deb is this ok? Why i get RT version?
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2944[20:37:50] <choice> jelly: fdisk -l already shows the 50G
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2947[20:38:53] <choice> Running "pvresize /dev/sda2" now ...
2948[20:38:54] <jelly> choice: fdisk and parted manipulate and read the disk directly. The kernel is not aware the partition changed under its feet, however. Look at /proc/partitions (numbers are 512B sectors IIRC)
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2951[20:39:03] <Ankman> choice: that means the OS in your VM doesn't see the linux partition. that's normal, don't worry about it (ignore it).
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2953[20:39:32] <choice> jelly: Looks like "pvresize /dev/sda2" changed the size of the lvm thing to 50G
2954[20:39:37] <choice> jelly: Rebooting now ...
2955[20:39:45] <jelly> choice: if "pvs" now shows 50G you don't even need to reboot
2956[20:39:58] <choice> jelly: Just for my sanity :)
2957[20:40:04] <Ankman> :-)
2958[20:40:21] <choice> I prefer to check if the reboot goes well.
2959[20:40:30] <jelly> no need. at work we split /boot and lvm into separate disks just to be able to avoid partitions and rebooting
2960[20:40:33] <Ankman> good luck
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2963[20:41:11] <jelly> but more often than not, parted asking the kernel to reread the partition table just does not work
2964[20:41:20] <choice> /dev/mapper/vg00-lv01 is still at 28G though.
2965[20:41:21] <choice> Do I have to resize that one as well?
2966[20:41:24] <jelly> and _then_ one needs a reboot
2967[20:41:51] <jelly> choice: yes. Before that, do you now see free space in the VG? "vgs"
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2969[20:42:19] <jelly> choice: if so, you can lvresize / lvextend
2970[20:42:20] <choice> jelly: Yes, 20G free
2971[20:42:27] <choice> jelly: Like this? lvresize -l +100%FREE /dev/vg00/lv01
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2974[20:42:52] <jelly> choice: that's good. If you're on a recent Linux you can also add -r so lvresize will also resize the filesystem
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2976[20:43:03] <choice> jelly: Too late :)
2977[20:43:14] <jelly> otherwise you need to call the appropriate filesystem resizing tool as the last step
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2979[20:43:22] <jelly> resize2fs for ext4
2980[20:43:23] <choice> jelly: ok
2981[20:44:20] <jelly> choice: I'd advise not to allocate the whole free space in VG immediately
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2983[20:44:40] <jelly> choice: it can be useful to be able to do snapshots, eg. for consistent backups
2984[20:44:46] <choice> Too late :)
2985[20:44:54] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2986[20:45:02] <choice> "resize2fs /dev/vg00/lv01" already did its work.
2987[20:45:06] <choice> I will reboot again...
2988[20:45:09] <jelly> no need
2989[20:45:18] <choice> Just for my sanity
2990[20:45:24] <jelly> that's it. resize2fs and lvresize are online operations.
2991[20:45:30] <choice> jelly: Thanks a ton!
2992[20:46:13] <jelly> if things have gone horribly wrong and something was corrupted, you'd either fail at first reboot, or you won't see it until something actually goes writing in the new space
2993[20:46:32] <choice> jelly: Ok
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2996[20:47:17] <jelly> but it's unlikely. This is commonly exercised functionality and ought to pretty much Just Work™
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3001[20:48:48] <jelly> I am kind of surprised kernel saw the new size before first reboot, that does not happen often for me and I have no idea why it usually does not work
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3003[20:50:07] <revolutionary> jelly: do you know any resource for installing encrypted Buster on EFI system?
3004[20:50:19] <jelly> revolutionary: buster install guide?
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3006[20:50:36] <jhutchins_wk> There's a rescan-scsi-bus script on some distros.
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3008[20:51:02] <revolutionary> jelly: i couldn't find the exact place
3009[20:51:24] <revolutionary> replaced-url
3010[20:51:36] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: that was during 2.2-2.6 times. Seeing the new whole disk size is not a problem. Convincing the kernel to update its idea of partition sizes is.
3011[20:51:55] <revolutionary> because that page is not explaining for installing encrypted Buster on EFI system
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3013[20:52:27] <jelly> revolutionary: You basically just do the normal installation, debian-installer guesses whether you have UEFI or not, and then you lead it to do encryption.
3014[20:52:54] <jelly> but I have not tested it with buster.
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3017[20:53:21] <revolutionary> jelly: i know but i want to use manual partitioning for changing encryption cipher and other options
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3019[20:54:12] <jelly> the usual way ought to end up with all the UEFI stuff being created, an unencrypted partition for /boot, and the rest on lvm on luks partition.
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3023[20:55:11] <revolutionary> jelly: as i understand i should create EFI System partition and also /boot partition and rest on lvm on luks, correct?
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3025[20:55:43] <jelly> revolutionary: good luck then. You can always boot a live cd, format stuff to your liking, mount the filesystems, then debootstrap and install kernel, boot loader, cryptsetup and bits on your own.
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3027[20:56:11] <jelly> revolutionary: and maybe a 1MiB partition for something for grub?
3028[20:56:23] <jelly> I have no idea about the specifics, sorry
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3033[20:56:38] <revolutionary> jelly: do you think to test on Buster?
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3035[20:56:58] <jelly> there was a user last week having done all that from the installer, and then switching to encrypted /boot
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3037[20:57:24] <jelly> maybe I can find their howto in irc logs
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3039[20:57:41] <revolutionary> jelly: that would be great
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3041[20:58:10] <jelly> wait
3042[20:58:13] <jelly> that was YOU
3043[20:58:14] <revolutionary> sure
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3045[20:58:22] <jelly> !
3046[20:58:29] <revolutionary> ahh i did those on NON UEFI system
3047[20:58:43] <revolutionary> I guess EFI is bit different and i have no experience on EFI systems
3048[20:58:43] <jelly> oh
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3052[20:59:22] <jelly> so you do the same thing, except with UEFI :-D
3053[20:59:51] <revolutionary> jelly: i guess you can test this and can tell me :-D
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3055[21:01:06] <jelly> sure I can, however my rate starts at $100/hr
3056[21:01:18] <revolutionary> hmm
3057[21:01:53] <FightingFalcon> what shall i define as wanted by? WantedBy=multi-user.target ? when im creating a systemd service?
3058[21:01:58] * revolutionary thinks jelly can do this for open-source world for Linux users :)
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3063[21:04:32] * karlpinc thinks jelly is undercharging
3064[21:05:05] <greycat> I'm wondering about "starts at", how high it goes, and what makes it go up.
3065[21:05:28] <jelly> wondering the right wonders
3066[21:05:29] <revolutionary> also me too
3067[21:05:32] <ratrace> jelly: wth, last time it was $200. don't dump the price, dude, hurts us all :)
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3070[21:06:58] <revolutionary> greycat: Test on EFI $100, try installing encrypted Buster $200 and encrypted /boot on EFI system is $400 i think
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3079[21:11:49] <beinbliss4> Is there a reason linux-source-4.19 builds -rt24*deb* only?
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3084[21:13:29] <somiaj> beinbliss4: the binary linux-source-4.19 package is different than the source package for linux
3085[21:13:56] <somiaj> if you just download the linux-source-4.19 package, you still have to configure what kernel it builds
3086[21:14:02] <jelly> beinbliss4: it ought to build all the flavor .deb, not just one, which command exactly are you running, does it finish successfully, and before all that, what are you actually trying to accomplish?
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3090[21:15:30] <FightingFalcon> I moved the service file to /lib/systemd/system folder and started with /Service myservice start.. it works fine. do i have to do anything else?
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3093[21:16:13] <somiaj> FightingFalcon: don't put custom unit files in /lib/systemd, use /etc/systemd
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3098[21:18:27] <FightingFalcon> ok, somiaj, i've removed it and moved to the said folder. do i have to do anything else?
3099[21:18:35] <FightingFalcon> is it going to start automatically when the pc boots?
3100[21:18:38] <beinbliss4> @jelly it finishes successfully ,i run make -j8 deb-pkg , (first i copy /boot/config-4.19.0-0.bpo.6-amd64 to .config, run make oldconfig). The output is linux-image-4.19.67-rt24_4.19.67-rt24-1_amd64.deb
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3103[21:19:08] <somiaj> FightingFalcon: systemctl status unitname (if the unit is enabled it should start automatically)
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3105[21:19:45] <FightingFalcon> yes enabled
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3107[21:20:33] <somiaj> It should start automatically then (there are some subtilties about targets, but I would only worry about that if it doesn't start)
3108[21:20:45] <somiaj> well targets and depends
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3112[21:24:22] <FightingFalcon> Cant i install imagemagick 7 with apt-get?
3113[21:24:35] <somiaj> ,v imagemagick
3114[21:24:37] <judd> Package: imagemagick on amd64 -- jessie: 8:6.8.9.9-5+deb8u12; jessie-security: 8:6.8.9.9-5+deb8u18; stretch: 8:6.9.7.4+dfsg-11+deb9u7; stretch-security: 8:6.9.7.4+dfsg-11+deb9u7; buster: 8:6.9.10.23+dfsg-2.1; bullseye: 8:6.9.10.23+dfsg-2.1+b2; sid: 8:6.9.10.23+dfsg-2.1+b2
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3118[21:25:26] <somiaj> FightingFalcon: imagemagick 7 has not made it into debian yet. Since buster is frozen, the short answer is you can't using debian repos. It could be in the future it is provided in backports, but it will have to make it into testing first.
3119[21:25:29] <FightingFalcon> somiaj, so what does that mean?
3120[21:25:39] <FightingFalcon> ok
3121[21:25:41] <FightingFalcon> thanks a lot
3122[21:25:44] <somiaj> that is the versions of imagemagcik in the different debian releases.
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3125[21:27:07] <jelly> beinbliss4: I have no idea where that flavor name came from
3126[21:28:08] <beinbliss4> it is RealTime kernel, but i wonder why it builds it by default and skips other flavors, like default
3127[21:29:20] <somiaj> beinbliss4: does the config you use have realtime enabled? Could be the upstream deb-pkg source detects rt and just names the kerel as such.
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3132[21:30:22] <somiaj> arg deb-pkg make target
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3134[21:31:38] <jelly> beinbliss4: not necessarily. The flavor name is independent of the rest of the config, might be called -rtBLAH and not have any rt config enabled at all
3135[21:31:49] <beinbliss4> no its not enabled CONFIG_PREEMPT is not set as i see it in config (i use "default" config of current system, it was on 4.9 but i added stretch-backports and apt installed linux-image-4.19.0-0.bpo.6-amd64
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3137[21:32:06] <jelly> !wayttd beinbliss4
3138[21:32:06] <dpkg> What Are You Trying To Do, beinbliss4?
3139[21:32:52] <jelly> (why are you starting from linux-source-foo at all, instead of, say, an upstream vanilla kernel)
3140[21:33:18] <beinbliss4> because i want to keep "debian way" or patches
3141[21:33:29] <beinbliss4> plus two security patches
3142[21:34:55] <jelly> the debian way of building a custom kernel is NOT to use linux-source-4.19, just go with upstream latest 4.19.x instead, apply your patches, then do make deb-pkg
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3147[21:36:21] <jelly> debian has lots of infrastructure in place to build a dozen flavors on a dozen architectures from the same source and you probably don't need that
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3149[21:38:43] <beinbliss4> ok
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3155[21:39:54] <beinbliss4> I was just following this: replaced-url
3156[21:40:16] <c0rnelius> hmm. i always use bindeb-pkg.
3157[21:40:21] <c0rnelius> is there a difference?
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3159[21:41:52] <jelly> beinbliss4: um, that says "apt-get source linux", and is different from getting the linux-source-4.19 _binary_ package.
3160[21:41:55] <beinbliss4> bindeb just builds binary and deb-pkg tars sources too
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3163[21:42:36] <c0rnelius> gotcha
3164[21:42:52] <somiaj> beinbliss4: note the deb-pkg is the upstream make target and it is just 'guessing' a name, using the actual linux source package might be preferable for your case (this will build the package using debian's build system, not the just the upstrem make target)
3165[21:42:53] <beinbliss4> jelly: i was reading 4.5 :(
3166[21:42:54] <jelly> oh, 4.5 goes with linux-source-foo
3167[21:43:14] <jelly> I don't know how (or if) that works, sorry
3168[21:43:17] <somiaj> it could be the name is just a bad guess and you have the kernel configured the same.
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3170[21:44:06] <beinbliss4> i see
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3172[21:45:23] <jelly> are those security patches that you want to apply publicly available?
3173[21:45:38] <somiaj> ,kernels
3174[21:45:40] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.3.0-trunk-686-pae (5.3.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.3.0-2-686-pae (5.3.9-2); bullseye: 5.2.0-3-686 (5.2.17-1); buster-backports: 5.2.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (5.2.17-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-6-686 (4.19.67-2+deb10u2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports:
3175[21:45:41] <judd> 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2~deb8u1)
3176[21:46:17] <somiaj> my guess is they are the new +deb10u2 patches that haven't made it into stretch-backports yet.
3177[21:46:53] <beinbliss4> yes somiaj is right
3178[21:47:26] <somiaj> beinbliss4: kernels are fairly stand alone, you might be able to get away with just installing the buster kernel (unsure how much work is required to backport it), or just wait until the kernel team backports the new patches.
3179[21:47:31] <jelly> if you have a deadline you can try just grabbing the linux-image-foo from buster
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3183[21:48:51] <jelly> but if you also need to build some out of tree modules, then you probably can't use those, different gcc versions
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3185[21:49:49] <jelly> and linux-headers-foo from buster won't be installable on stretch due to missing gcc deps
3186[21:50:15] <jelly> ,v linux-compiler-gcc-8-x86
3187[21:50:16] <judd> Package: linux-compiler-gcc-8-x86 on amd64 -- buster: 4.19.67-2; buster-proposed-updates: 4.19.67-2+deb10u1; buster-security: 4.19.67-2+deb10u2; buster-backports: 5.2.17-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 5.2.17-1+b1; sid: 5.2.17-1+b1
3188[21:51:16] <beinbliss4> actually i tried apt-get source linux and now i see everything will be ok, it is non rt version, control and rules files reflect that
3189[21:51:26] <beinbliss4> dunno why i didn't see it at the top of handbook page
3190[21:52:07] <FightingFalcon> find . -iname "*.jpg" -type f -exec identify -format '%w %h %i\n' '{}' \; | awk $1 > 300
3191[21:52:13] <FightingFalcon> whats wrong with this command? awk part
3192[21:52:45] <rander2> sorry, but the restoring don't go : replaced-url
3193[21:52:47] <somiaj> put $1 in quotes, it could be the shell is expanding that, not awk
3194[21:53:01] <somiaj> single quotes
3195[21:53:13] <FightingFalcon> thjanks
3196[21:53:19] <somiaj> FightingFalcon: for a test, compare echo $1 vs echo '$1'
3197[21:55:06] <rander2> if I install a single packet it go, but not from the selection
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3199[21:56:12] <FightingFalcon> i see
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3201[21:58:43] <jhutchins_wk> rander2: Did you do aptitude update?
3202[21:58:48] <rander2> I generated the list with : dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile ; as explained in dpkg bot , and I restored it with : dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade
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3204[21:59:07] <somiaj> !aptitude clone
3205[21:59:07] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
3206[21:59:20] <somiaj> rander2: not that it matters now, but I often prefer ^^ over using dpkg directly.
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3208[21:59:35] <rander2> jhutchins_wk, I did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ; isnt it the same ?
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3228[22:10:43] <rander2> replaced-url
3229[22:11:18] <rander2> I tried to cut the list with cut -f1 > selections2 ; but it's the same
3230[22:11:42] <rander2> cut -f1 seletions > selections2
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3232[22:13:31] <Habbie> rander2, try awk '{print $1}'
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3236[22:16:46] <rander2> Habbie, it's the same
3237[22:16:58] <greycat> It's not. Maybe with the one file you tested it on.
3238[22:17:23] <Habbie> both work for me on the output of `dpkg --get-selections`
3239[22:17:30] <Habbie> if they do not work for you, please show us
3240[22:17:34] <greycat> cut -f has a very strict idea of where fields begin and end. awk divides fields in a much more flexible way.
3241[22:17:50] <Habbie> indeed
3242[22:17:56] <Habbie> but they both happen to work here
3243[22:18:16] <rander2> dpkg: error: unexpected end of line in package name at line 1 ; this with awk '{print $1'
3244[22:18:16] <dpkg> rander2: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
3245[22:18:33] <greycat> pasting the command incorrectly is not helpful
3246[22:18:37] <rander2> # dpkg: error: unexpected end of line in package name at line 1 ; this with awk '{print $1'
3247[22:18:42] <Habbie> rander2, please show us what you are doing
3248[22:18:58] <greycat> they omitted the }
3249[22:19:03] <Habbie> that is not the only problem
3250[22:19:03] <livebrain> post the entire line you are using
3251[22:19:04] <rander2> ~# awk '{print $1}' selectionfile > selectionfile2
3252[22:19:32] <Habbie> what's in selectionfile?
3253[22:19:36] <rander2> dpkg --set-selections < selectionfile2 && apt-get dselect-upgrade
3254[22:19:36] <dpkg> i haven't a clue, rander2
3255[22:19:39] <livebrain> the selectionfile is the output of "dpkg --get-selections" ?
3256[22:19:47] <Habbie> it quite obviously is not :)
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3259[22:19:54] <Habbie> oh wait
3260[22:19:57] <Habbie> i get it
3261[22:19:59] <Habbie> yes it is
3262[22:20:09] <Habbie> but you can't just cut off the second column from get-selections and expect set-selections to be happy
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3264[22:21:02] <greycat> so... rander2, why are you altering the contents of selectionfile?
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3266[22:21:54] <rander2> I follow the istructions from dpkg bot , no the selectionfile it's correct but don't go, so I thinked the cut the 2 colon
3267[22:22:09] <rander2> column
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3269[22:22:34] <rander2> the original file is : replaced-url
3270[22:22:46] <greycat> Nowhere in the "debian clone" factoid does it say to use cut or awk on the output of dpkg --get-selections.
3271[22:22:55] <rander2> it begin from number 14
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3273[22:24:46] <rander2> greycat, it's true , but since it didn't work I tried to cut the second column
3274[22:24:58] <greycat> Well, don't.
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3277[22:25:38] <velix> Help! I've removed gpg and it killed apt and all other stuff :-)
3278[22:25:49] <ratrace> Gesundheit!
3279[22:26:07] <velix> ratrace: Danke.
3280[22:26:17] <annadane> plonk
3281[22:26:18] <greycat> download or sneakernet a gnupg .deb file onto the machine, and install it with dpkg -i
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3283[22:26:35] <annadane> sneakernet?
3284[22:26:43] <greycat> if necessary
3285[22:26:45] <Habbie> annadane, 'walk somewhere with a physical medium'
3286[22:26:49] <Habbie> annadane, like a floppy disk or a usb stick
3287[22:26:53] <annadane> kids these days, get off my lawn...
3288[22:26:58] <Habbie> but, removing gpg never killed apt for me, so that's a bit weird
3289[22:27:06] <velix> Can I use another debian installation, to get the URLs which are needed to reinstall the missing packages?
3290[22:27:13] <velix> I've plenty of them ;)
3291[22:27:15] <Habbie> velix, yes
3292[22:27:39] <rander2> greycat, to test is dpkg work, ok
3293[22:27:43] <rander2> if
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3299[22:31:04] <velix> Yipee, APT is back up again.
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3303[22:31:35] <Habbie> velix, yay
3304[22:31:40] <annadane> !win
3305[22:31:42] <velix> Habbie: Thanks for inspiration.
3306[22:31:47] <greycat> !win velix
3307[22:31:48] <dpkg> Congratulations, velix! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
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3309[22:31:57] <Habbie> !win spam
3310[22:31:57] <dpkg> Congratulations, spam! You have won the US presidency!
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3312[22:32:00] <annadane> i just wanted to see if it did anything without a name argument :P
3313[22:32:02] <Habbie> yass
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3315[22:32:08] <Habbie> !win
3316[22:32:13] <Habbie> !win annadane
3317[22:32:13] <dpkg> Congratulations, annadane! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
3318[22:32:21] <velix> I hate the small opener on the spam cans.
3319[22:32:31] <velix> They're always ripping off.
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3325[22:34:07] <velix> Interesting, do I need `tasksel` and `task` at all?
3326[22:34:27] <velix> It also got wiped
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3328[22:34:37] <somiaj> tasksel is optional
3329[22:34:45] <greycat> I don't know what "task" is. tasksel is something you almost never use.
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3331[22:35:16] <velix> greycat: it wiped "task-german".
3332[22:35:22] <velix> Maybe some language kit for tasksel?
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3334[22:35:30] <greycat> ,i task-german
3335[22:35:31] <judd> Package task-german (tasks, optional) in buster/amd64: German environment. Version: 3.53; Size: 0.9k; Installed: 6k
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3337[22:35:50] <greycat> ,depends task-german
3338[22:35:52] <judd> Package task-german in buster/amd64 -- depends: tasksel (= 3.53), manpages-de.
3339[22:35:58] <velix> thx
3340[22:36:02] <rander2> yes, dpkg -i work correctly. I installed mutt from deb
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3353[22:38:40] <rander2> sh..
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3414[23:12:41] <notsoever> worked for me
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3417[23:13:19] <notsoever> 2 step auth google in ubuntu i guess shall work for y
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3421[23:14:49] <notsoever> relieve to memorize a monster of password
3422[23:15:15] <notsoever> that we may forget
3423[23:15:59] <B|ack0p> what was the command to install firmware-intelwifi ?
3424[23:16:26] <B|ack0p> Intel Pro Wireless 2000/2915 network driver
3425[23:16:37] <B|ack0p> Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG
3426[23:16:39] <dvs> !iwlwifi
3427[23:16:39] <dpkg> The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports several Intel 802.11n (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N) and 802.11ac adapters. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices and troubleshooting hints are listed at replaced-url
3428[23:16:51] <notsoever> best place to ask
3429[23:16:54] <B|ack0p> i did but still wifi missing
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3432[23:17:15] <B|ack0p> does it mean wifi device is very old?
3433[23:18:21] <notsoever> the master is in jail for wifi kiddnesss
3434[23:18:25] <B|ack0p> i think i found something
3435[23:18:33] <B|ack0p> replaced-url
3436[23:19:00] <notsoever> b**h me
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3439[23:19:52] <B|ack0p> should i restart?
3440[23:20:05] <notsoever> confidence
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3444[23:22:17] <notsoever> music? deezer or spotify?
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3446[23:23:45] <notsoever> i am gratefuull
3447[23:24:01] <notsoever> for two step works
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3449[23:24:27] <notsoever> got me self teching
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3452[23:24:54] <notsoever> b**c not
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3454[23:25:13] <notsoever> i did my self
3455[23:25:23] <notsoever> ask me
3456[23:25:43] <notsoever> y dont need ubuntu
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3458[23:25:46] <notsoever> ops
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3460[23:26:02] <notsoever> did there
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3462[23:26:13] <notsoever> sorry
3463[23:26:29] <B|ack0p> all set
3464[23:27:12] <B|ack0p> i asked before but i couldnt get the answer
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3466[23:27:28] <B|ack0p> how can i disable gnome dock while on gnome-classic desktop?
3467[23:27:48] <B|ack0p> which appears when i move my cursor at left-top
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3469[23:28:14] <notsoever> ants
3470[23:28:16] <B|ack0p> i think it shows workspaces when i move cursor at the left-top corner
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3484[23:30:14] <notsoever> i gave nothing
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3486[23:30:35] <notsoever> just from ubuntu susscess
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3488[23:30:54] <notsoever> AND they did nothing
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3491[23:31:26] <notsoever> congratulations
3492[23:32:14] <B|ack0p> how can i install gnome extension?
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3495[23:32:17] <B|ack0p> replaced-url
3496[23:32:19] <B|ack0p> this one?
3497[23:32:21] <B|ack0p> on terminal?
3498[23:32:27] <notsoever> for the elsewhere experience
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3500[23:33:04] <B|ack0p> notsoever: are you ok?
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3505[23:34:34] <notsoever> B|ack0p: test me...
3506[23:34:49] <B|ack0p> you sound talking yourself
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3509[23:35:47] <notsoever> drug is a f*
3510[23:36:05] <notsoever> noone to help
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3512[23:36:23] <notsoever> sober people appear
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3519[23:38:50] <notsoever> i did 2 step shit without help
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3523[23:39:20] <notsoever> in yors ballls
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3537[23:45:09] <notsoever> help
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3539[23:45:29] <notsoever> not
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3541[23:46:20] <notsoever> do you and y are in eating grass come to mee
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3552[23:51:03] <FightingFalcon> um anyone familiar with imagemagick?
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3555[23:51:56] <Habbie> FightingFalcon, sure, just ask your question
3556[23:52:46] <FightingFalcon> how do i use mogrify and resize an image but keep aspect ratio?
3557[23:53:18] <Habbie> one
3558[23:53:23] <Habbie> don't use mogrify, use convert
3559[23:53:30] <Habbie> convert leaves your original file intact
3560[23:53:48] <FightingFalcon> I dont really need the original file
3561[23:54:57] <Habbie> you can do -resize 25%
3562[23:54:59] <Habbie> or -resize 200%
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3564[23:55:13] <Habbie> replaced-url
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3566[23:55:43] <notsoever> i hould give bytes
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3568[23:56:09] <FightingFalcon> I want to resize it to a specific pixel
3569[23:56:28] <Habbie> then follow that url to find out how
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3575[23:58:22] <notsoever> how we can say molhada?
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3577[23:59:13] <FightingFalcon> thx
3578[23:59:23] <notsoever> only today
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