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0 [00:00:06] <TandyUK> or get the new gen9+ kit, and it has an 'ambient temp' setting in bios
1 [00:00:21] <TandyUK> set it to 45C and its like you have a jet engine in the room
2 [00:00:30] <raidghost> Ive got a Ubiquiti USG firewall in my livingroom
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5 [00:00:50] <raidghost> My girlfriend says its noizy. I cant say that i hear it. I am used to that kind of sounds
6 [00:01:21] <raidghost> i had my little brother over on visit last summer. He did borrow the livingroom on madrass to sleep on.
7 [00:01:39] <raidghost> I had to turn the router off for him to be able to sleep
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11 [00:03:34] <TandyUK> yeah the smaller stuff is the noisier it is, we just get used to it
12 [00:03:39] <TandyUK> (or go deaf)
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15 [00:04:37] <TandyUK> at a customer of mine we recently replaced a rack of stuff (cisco router, 2 switches, 4U 16 drive NVR, and various other noisy bits) with a single hdmi channel video decoder
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17 [00:04:57] <raidghost> TandyUK: Cheap colocation?
18 [00:05:06] <TandyUK> the idea was to cut down the noise in their office... the little decoder makes more noise than the entire rack did.....
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20 [00:05:35] <raidghost> Decoder, like TV?
21 [00:05:38] <TandyUK> nah cctv for a business
22 [00:05:44] <raidghost> aah, i see.
23 [00:05:50] <TandyUK> yeah, so the old recorder was plugged in via hdmi
24 [00:06:09] <TandyUK> so they can still watch cctv in there, we suggested this decoder, and we build a new server room....
25 [00:06:35] <TandyUK> i think we'll end up running a 30M hdmi lead to the new server room lol
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38 [00:11:47] <raidghost> Ive tested 4 DUALTuner DVB-C cards
39 [00:11:59] <raidghost> With tvheadend and a usb smartcard reader. it works like a charm.
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69 [00:48:40] <magic_ninja> dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: files list file for package 'plymouth' is missing final newline
70 [00:48:40] <dpkg> magic_ninja: what are you talking about?
71 [00:49:23] <magic_ninja> I suspect that I may have had a bad disk here, so I went ahead and did a data dump to a new disk, and wanted to clean that one corrupt package up.
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73 [00:52:44] <TomTheDr1gon> Is there any particular reason firefox is included (firefox-esr) and not seamonkey suite?
74 [00:53:33] <magic_ninja> TomTheDr1gon, generally debian goes for stable software, in the sense that it doesn't change much. So they do versions intended for long term support of software so that they have time to iron out as many bugs as possible for an official release.
75 [00:54:00] <somiaj> TomTheDr1gon: seamonkey suit was dropped by mozzila, and is now only community run. Debian had it for a while, but deemed security support for it difficult
76 [00:54:14] <somiaj> TomTheDr1gon: we use to have a rebranded version iceape until about 2-3 releaees ago
77 [00:54:42] <TomTheDr1gon> I see... I remember iceape, and used it at some point.
78 [00:55:22] <somiaj> replaced-url
79 [00:55:23] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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83 [00:56:02] <somiaj> anyways, it maybe better, but three was some gap between mozilla dropping support and a community continuning support, but security issues are a bit hard to deal with in seamonkey so debian has chosen not to add it back
84 [00:56:04] <TomTheDr1gon> Trying to compile SM mail on my new rockpro64... compiling it is kind of a bear
85 [00:56:21] <somiaj> why not just use thunderbird?
86 [00:56:52] <raidghost> Is this wrong way to make a bootable USB? sudo dd if=/home/raidghost/downloads/iso/debian-live-10.1.0-amd64-gnome+nonfree.iso of=/dev/sdc1 bs=1MB
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88 [00:57:13] <raidghost> It wont start from usb at all. Just booting ubuntu as nothing is changed.
89 [00:57:31] <somiaj> raidghost: of=/dev/sdc (put it on the usb drive, not the first parition). Note this will destory the partition table and all data on the drive
90 [00:57:31] <TomTheDr1gon> Because my buddy here is used to SM, which he just downloaded a binary off the web before. Not really an option on arm.
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95 [00:58:36] <TomTheDr1gon> somiaj: are all the filters and settings compatible?
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97 [00:58:52] <somiaj> TomTheDr1gon: you could try to cross compile, there are ways to do that with qemu on a more powerful system
98 [00:58:56] <magic_ninja> anyone got a guide on troubleshooting dpkg stuff.
99 [00:58:59] <somiaj> TomTheDr1gon: I don't know, I don't use either.
100 [00:59:01] <somiaj> !bat
101 [00:59:01] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
102 [00:59:05] <magic_ninja> Trying to get rid of these corrupted packages and redownload and install
103 [00:59:08] <somiaj> magic_ninja: no real guide, just experience.
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105 [00:59:45] <magic_ninja> Is there a way that I can delete all downloaded files and redownload?
106 [00:59:54] <TomTheDr1gon> somiaj: to be honest my x86 and amd64 machines are weak
107 [01:00:01] <magic_ninja> Something like apt-get remove --purge <package> and then delete all the cached files?
108 [01:00:25] <TomTheDr1gon> somiaj: I'd imagine qemu, rather than a native cross compiler, would be terrible
109 [01:00:35] <somiaj> TomTheDr1gon: I got lazy and just use the web gmail for all my needs
110 [01:00:54] <somiaj> TomTheDr1gon: it actually works quite nice, but might depend on what youa rebuilding.
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118 [01:04:08] <TomTheDr1gon> somiaj: What target system did you compile for?
119 [01:06:38] <somiaj> replaced-url
120 [01:09:22] <somiaj> I do see mention of qemu has user mode emulation, this isn't full emulation "QEMU can launch Linux processes compiled for one CPU on another CPU. For example, it can be used to launch Wine or to ease cross-compilation and cross-debugging."
121 [01:09:51] <somiaj> replaced-url
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131 [01:23:05] <TomTheDr1gon> somiaj: yeah, it's better than system emulation, that's true
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145 [01:33:04] <Apyr> Hi, I m trying to setup a php server on a debian VM located on my internet box hdd, I installed nginx and php that's ok but I have issues starting nginx services, it tells me port80 already used
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147 [01:34:05] <ratrace> Apyr: is it? something else listening, like apache? ss -lnp will tell you
148 [01:34:46] <Apyr> can I post screen shot there
149 [01:34:58] <Apyr> replaced-url
150 [01:35:14] <Apyr> I did a netstat -tulpn
151 [01:35:20] <Apyr> here the result
152 [01:35:54] <ratrace> ah no, I think your nginx config is busted. are you using ipv6_only or such directives?
153 [01:36:33] <ratrace> Apyr: wait, I 'm stupid.... you're running sudo nginx while the service is already running (and using port 80)
154 [01:36:49] <ratrace> Use the service, Luke
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157 [01:37:28] <dvs> >_>
158 [01:37:42] <Apyr> talkin about that ? replaced-url
159 [01:37:49] <Apyr> oh ok
160 [01:37:55] <Apyr> welp ok
161 [01:37:59] <Apyr> :'D
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169 [01:40:51] <Apyr> tho I can't get my index.php and idk why, it's well on var/replaced-url
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171 [01:41:39] <Apyr> it gives me 404 not found
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173 [01:41:53] <DammitJim> ugh, how can I find out what was last updated?
174 [01:41:55] <ratrace> Apyr: from that screenshot you posted, it looks like you maybe aren't using fastcgi_pass to the FPM
175 [01:41:57] <Apyr> ( but I've well nginx started on the 404 page
176 [01:42:08] <DammitJim> since Saturday, after I perform a debian update, my touchpad is crazy sensitive
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178 [01:42:15] <ratrace> DammitJim: /var/log/apt/history.log
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181 [01:42:34] <Apyr> and how could I use it ? :'
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184 [01:42:55] <DammitJim> thanks
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187 [01:43:05] <DammitJim> weird... not sure these packages would make the touchpad more sensitive
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189 [01:43:19] <DammitJim> xdg-dbus-proxy:amd64
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193 [01:43:48] <ratrace> Apyr: operating a public web server requires knowledge, perhaps train yourself on an intranet/VM thing first, before you put that online :)
194 [01:43:54] <DammitJim> libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37
195 [01:44:08] <DammitJim> libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0-18
196 [01:44:12] <Apyr> mwelp haha
197 [01:44:27] <DammitJim> and what it is, is that when I move my mouse (using the touchpad), now it's highlighting text
198 [01:44:32] <DammitJim> it's really weird
199 [01:44:36] <ratrace> Apyr: that'd be responsible thing to do
200 [01:44:43] <Apyr> do u know a better virtual machine than oracle one
201 [01:45:19] <ratrace> Apyr: qemu-kvm is native hypervisor on Linux, and there's virt-manager GUI application for it
202 [01:45:30] <`w> All I want to do is play poker and wine keeps whinning.
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205 [01:45:50] <`w> T.T
206 [01:45:51] <Apyr> I'm using windows tho, I would use debian in a VM to run a local php server
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208 [01:45:59] <Apyr> but oracle pandora is shit
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210 [01:46:05] <ratrace> There's VMWare
211 [01:46:10] <Apyr> thx
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213 [01:46:27] <melpy> `w use a virtual machine
214 [01:46:27] <Apyr> sheit it's not free :D
215 [01:47:02] <`w> melpy, what would you recommend? I'm Chrome OS.
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218 [01:47:40] <melpy> oh... >_>
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220 [01:47:48] <melpy> what are you using, pokerstars client or something?
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222 [01:48:06] <`w> trying to get americas cardroom up and running.
223 [01:48:16] <ratrace> kinda offtopic here
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225 [01:48:19] <`w> wine was complaining about html.
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227 [01:48:37] <`w> sorry ratrace
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230 [01:49:18] <melpy> well need to know client/software
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232 [01:50:00] <`w> americas cardroom... doesn't linux have a couple vm's debian's repo would have?
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236 [01:51:57] <melpy> well you could try crossover on chrome os maybe
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240 [01:52:49] <`w> I saw the name... but that's a play app no? I keep having bad luck with them crashing. kvm would let me install windows no?
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245 [01:54:31] <melpy> you can try :) sorry, I don't know anything about chromeOS
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251 [01:55:49] <TomTheDr1gon> I've heard, and I don't know how true, that Chrome OS is Gentoo-derived.
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253 [01:56:12] <Apyr> 40e4.4058: Error -101 in supR3HardenedWinReSpawn! (enmWhat=3)
254 [01:56:12] <Apyr> 40e4.4058: NtCreateFile(\Device\VBoxDrvStub) failed: 0xc000000e STATUS_NO_SUCH_DEVICE (161 retries)
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256 [01:56:13] <Apyr> :mad:
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265 [02:04:34] <`w> I thought Crostini was basically Debian stretch sharing a kernel with Chrome OS. Idk though. I didn't read much.
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267 [02:05:18] <`w> replaced-url
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276 [02:14:10] <Apyr> php fpm should be using tcp port, nginx well started, why I can't access my index.php :'
277 [02:14:13] <Apyr> replaced-url
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286 [02:22:17] <Apyr> ok solved
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311 [02:41:27] <Scruloose> I'm trying to build a deb from projectM's latest release tarball in order to get past the bug documented here: replaced-url
312 [02:41:28] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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314 [02:42:23] <Scruloose> My requirements for the resulting deb are "installs on the machine where I compiled it". I'm currently using "sudo checkinstall make install"
315 [02:42:51] <Scruloose> (I'm open to suggestion if that's not the current/best/recommended tool for this situation)
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317 [02:43:54] <Scruloose> Currently, it's spitting out hundreds and hundreds of tar error messages along the lines of:
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320 [02:44:28] <Scruloose> tar: ./usr/local/share/projectM/presets/foo.milk: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
321 [02:44:47] <Scruloose> tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors
322 [02:45:21] <Scruloose> Any pointers on where I should look for the cause of that?
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324 [02:53:18] <`w> wouldn't you extract it first and build from source?
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327 [02:55:31] <Scruloose> Oh, yes. That is what I'm doing... I sort of thought that part went without saying. I have extracted the tarball into a working dir in my home dir, successfully did the steps "./configure" and "make"
328 [02:56:22] <Scruloose> ...and from that point, I am trying to use "checkinstall make install"
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331 [02:57:41] <`w> I'm a noob I need explanations.
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334 [02:58:08] <`w> give me a link to the source I want to try building it
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336 [02:59:27] <Scruloose> Here it is: replaced-url
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338 [03:00:52] <Scruloose> And here's some instructions: replaced-url
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340 [03:02:09] <Scruloose> On my system I had to specify LIBS="-lQt5Gui -lQtOpenGL" on the ./configure line, otherwise the subsequent make would die with errors about undefined references.
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440 [04:46:56] <NetGirl> installed gedit and ssh -X to the remote server that doesn't run a desktop. Not working. x11-stuff got installed as dependencies with gedit. Ideas?
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450 [04:56:09] <LtL> NetGirl: why would you you want to run gedit on a server?
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455 [04:58:59] <NetGirl> LtL: edit files remotely with something nicer than a console editor
456 [04:59:10] <NetGirl> more convenient than setting up a network disk or something as well
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458 [05:01:13] <LtL> NetGirl: a console editor is far easier as you're finding out.
459 [05:02:09] <NetGirl> LtL: can't compare to an IDE on a desktop
460 [05:02:17] <NetGirl> goes without saying
461 [05:02:26] <NetGirl> even if there are fancy shortcuts etc in a console.
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463 [05:02:54] <LtL> NetGirl: but you're not on a desktop.
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468 [05:08:38] <fructose> NetGirl: It very much can compare.
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476 [05:18:01] <LtL> NetGirl: you would need a running X server on your server and use X forwarding. That sounds risky to be doing on a production server.
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478 [05:18:55] <fryguy> The X server doesn't run on the server, it runs locally (wherever the keyboard, video, mouse are)
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480 [05:22:37] <LtL> fryguy: okay, never tried it myself. So why is it not working for her?
481 [05:24:18] <fryguy> "not working" isn't descriptive enough to make any guesses as to what the real problem is, unfortunately.
482 [05:24:33] <LtL> true
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484 [05:25:39] <LtL> NetGirl: maybe /etc/ssh/sshd_config but X11Forwarding is yes by default. might check that out.
485 [05:25:41] <fryguy> first guess in the dark would be to use -Y instead of -X for forwarding, and work from there
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503 [05:42:12] <Apyr> hey, trying to install debian on vm hosted on windows10, grub installation failed and it tells me to boot vmlinuz
504 [05:42:23] <Apyr> I dont find how to
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514 [05:49:09] <NetGirl> nice
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556 [06:25:05] <annadane> why am i unable to switch windows around in KDE's task manager?
557 [06:25:29] <annadane> i set sort to manual
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560 [06:26:07] <annadane> oh. there it goes, never mind
561 [06:26:26] <annadane> i always could, it just turns out it requires a bit of extra mouse impulse
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573 [06:34:29] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone, i'm on debian buster and i'm searching for the curl include path and library path
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576 [06:37:46] <rocketmagnet> i've installed apt-get install curl but there is no curl.so.* somewhere
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578 [06:39:36] <annadane> rocketmagnet, i'm not sure but maybe ldd /usr/bin/curl?
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583 [06:44:14] <oerheks> i see /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl-gnutls.so.4.5.0
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684 [08:07:13] <pragomer> hi. I am trying out a so called "vserver" of my isp. debian stable is installed. I also installed the xfce desktop, because I want to get access to that vm (its not supposed to be a "real server", just for playing arround) via teamviewer. how can I check if the xfce desktop is really started? because connecting via teamviewer doesnt work, although the teamviewer daemon runs
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688 [08:10:31] <grisher> pragomer: how did you install xfce?
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695 [08:16:36] <pragomer> via apt
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697 [08:19:11] <jelly> pragomer: a desktop environment is only "started" after a user is logged in, manually or automatically, using startxfce on the console or logged in via a *dm
698 [08:20:22] <jelly> pragomer: if you have a headless container without real graphical hardware I suppose you'll have to do extra work to set up a virtual X server to be able to run xfce at all
699 [08:20:24] <pragomer> I only know desktop linux systems :-( how could I "check" if there is an autologin to xfce, like on debian desktop with lightdm or so?
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702 [08:21:02] <Unit193> You could check if lightdm, xfwm, or xfdesktop are running.
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704 [08:21:09] <pragomer> I CAN start for example thunar (when using the ssh -X option)
705 [08:21:26] <pragomer> lightdm is installed.
706 [08:21:44] <grisher> you'd be better of using vnc
707 [08:21:51] <grisher> rather than teamviewer
708 [08:21:54] <jelly> pragomer: ssh -X works because you have an X server running already at your end.
709 [08:22:03] <grisher> off*
710 [08:22:16] <pragomer> jelly: ah ok.. so ssh -X does not mean that the desktop is ready, right?
711 [08:22:40] <jelly> apps running that way connect to the existing session on your local system
712 [08:22:52] <pragomer> I will try to setup my lightdm.conf... see if this helps
713 [08:23:13] <jelly> that won't work until you have an actual X server running
714 [08:24:06] <jelly> and I'm not sure if running a virtual X server is the best way to keep a fully remote session
715 [08:24:12] <pragomer> how could I check if an xserver is running?
716 [08:24:34] <jelly> ps -fe |grep X
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720 [08:25:15] <jelly> fuser fuser /tmp/.X11-unix/X*, as root
721 [08:25:17] <pragomer> ok, according to the ps output, it isnt running.
722 [08:25:22] <jelly> just one fuser.
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725 [08:25:41] <jelly> pragomer: it won't be running automatically without a GPU present, no
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728 [08:26:48] <grisher> pragomer: can you not view the console of the server?
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730 [08:27:04] <pragomer> this is what shows me lshw: replaced-url
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734 [08:27:43] <jelly> grisher: "vserver", if it's really that, is a container-based solution. No hardware access, no hardware emulated
735 [08:27:59] <jelly> pragomer: what does lspci say?
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739 [08:28:35] <grisher> oh, it's vserver
740 [08:28:35] <pragomer> the server is one of those:
741 [08:28:37] <grisher> missed that part
742 [08:28:37] <pragomer> replaced-url
743 [08:28:58] <pragomer> lspci says: replaced-url
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745 [08:29:17] <jelly> and could you maybe use a text pastebin for text
746 [08:29:28] <pragomer> I get the idea that a "real desktop" is not doable with this product, right?
747 [08:29:29] <jelly> right, no hardware
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750 [08:30:03] <jelly> pragomer: Xvfb might have some use. VNC servers also have their own X servers.
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752 [08:30:25] <pragomer> jelly: ok.. my 2nd choic was to to with a raspberry pi *LOL*... then I think I will go with that
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755 [08:30:58] <jelly> pragomer: keeping a remote X session is not really a common workflow on Linux
756 [08:31:01] <pragomer> yes.. the thing with vnc is: I want to set up this for an absolute newbie.. who knows teamviewer but cannot deal with vnc clients..
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760 [08:31:49] <pragomer> I think you are right.. think I will go with raspbian
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764 [08:32:14] <jelly> that will still be a remote X session, just on a hw platform
765 [08:32:59] <grisher> pragomer: might just be better off learing command line
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769 [08:35:16] <grabbler2> hey, for some reason for the past couple of days acpi doesn't work reliably at all on my laptop. charging from 0% shows 99% charged with 00:00 remaining even though i know the battery is empty. is there a way to recalibrate acpi?
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777 [08:36:25] <pragomer> thank you in any way. very kind! thank you
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824 [09:14:12] <forester> Hullo. Is it possible to install a package (latest brisk-menu from sid), that depends on latest mate-desktop (in sid), but on current stable mate-desktop in stretch?
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826 [09:14:52] <forester> it needs mate 1.22, but system has mate 1.20
827 [09:15:10] <forester> I use sudo dpkg -i *.deb
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829 [09:15:48] <forester> Is there any special flag to install it?
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831 [09:16:12] <Habbie> !frankendebian
832 [09:16:12] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
833 [09:16:14] <Habbie> forester, ^
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842 [09:18:13] <forester> I sure suppose that there should be a special flag. Maybe aptitude could solve that? What could you say?
843 [09:18:37] <Habbie> forester, i say that this channel cannot support mixing packages like that - it is likely to end in tears
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846 [09:22:58] <forester> Habbie: I do not ask this channel to support mixing packages, but about ability (opportunity) to make this technically. Do feel difference?
847 [09:23:30] <forester> Is it possible or not?
848 [09:23:38] <forester> For testing reason.
849 [09:23:43] <Habbie> many things are possible; but we would not help with it, sorry
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852 [09:25:03] <forester> Then you just don't know how to do that. Thank you. I thought that debian community members more trained that in others. Excuse me sir.
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855 [09:27:14] <Habbie> forester, please don't assume what i do or do not know
856 [09:27:19] <forester> Pardon me and my English
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867 [09:33:51] <boktan> hi i did installed my wifi adaptor but it is not working :/ not light blinking not wifi interface on settings nothing :/ what to do? usi
868 [09:33:53] <boktan> using AUS036ACH
869 [09:34:35] <boktan> replaced-url
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872 [09:35:16] <jvava> I can't install cafeine extension in this buster system, (it works well in my notebook), so, how can I disable the boring suspend, please
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875 [09:36:05] <jvava> I have tried systemd mask sleep.target ..., no use
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877 [09:37:00] <boktan> and i have this on dmesg [ 252.243646] WARNING: CPU: 10 PID: 719 at /var/lib/dkms/realtek-rtl88xxau/5.2.20.2~20190617/build/os_dep/linux/os_intfs.c:1573 rtw_os_ndev_register+0xc6/0x181 [88XXau]
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884 [09:42:21] <jvava> please help me disable suspend of bustard debian,
885 [09:44:22] <jvava> which tortured me for weeks
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906 [09:54:30] <jvava> hi, I got answer. in settings, set power to never. done
907 [09:54:33] <jvava> thank you
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911 [09:56:24] <blackmajic> If i do ncdu -x /, it only adds up to 15GB collective. But if i do df -h, it shows 23GB used.. how do i find an absolute usage?
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921 [10:07:33] <jelly> blackmajic: make sure to run "du -x /" or equivalent as root; if there's still a large difference, perhaps some data is hidden below another existing mountpoint under /
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923 [10:07:55] <__that__> Hi all
924 [10:08:31] <__that__> what is the default directory you would install a library manually - not shipped as .deb - that will be used by all users of the system please?
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927 [10:10:46] <towo^work> __that__, /usr/local/lib/
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935 [10:15:14] <__that__> towo^work, thanks
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959 [10:33:42] <qam4r> Hey channel, is it possible that Match Address in /etc/ssh/sshd_config is not working? When i try to whitelist a ip for root login, the sshd service won't start. I' running an up2date Debian Buster. Fresh install with only that config change in sshd_config.
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962 [10:35:17] <qam4r> Match Address 192.168.178.54 \n\t PermitRootLogin Yes
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1057 [11:21:25] <annadane> is there a way to un-qtify my debian? i installed kde after having mate installed and now applications take on the qt look and i'd like mate to use gtk
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1084 [11:40:46] <Kyros> its probably just the theme
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1090 [11:44:08] <annadane> Kyros, it's not. it says "blue submarine", which is mate specific
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1092 [11:44:49] <annadane> also please highlight me if you're going to respond 19 minutes later
1093 [11:44:56] <annadane> i only happened to see it
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1097 [11:48:41] <Kyros> annadane: I'd make a new user and login to mate and see 1. if everything is qtified 2. look for difference in .config files etc
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1106 [11:54:49] <jelly> annadane: did you try chaging to a different theme and changing it back?
1107 [11:55:22] <annadane> i didn't, i'll do that now
1108 [11:55:24] <jelly> a DE might not be aware something changed gtk settings behing its back
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1114 [11:58:39] <annadane> okay, that was weird, changing the theme away and back again (to "custom") freezes hexchat, but anyway... near as i can tell hexchat itself still has the qt'd look
1115 [11:58:55] <annadane> other applications... don't?
1116 [11:58:57] <jelly> hexchat is a bit special
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1118 [11:59:13] <jelly> you can quit and start it again
1119 [11:59:22] <annadane> i mean in the end it really doesn't matter, it's not like it affects my workflow
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1122 [12:00:15] <annadane> brb then, restarting hexchat
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1129 [12:02:35] <ws2k3> got a debian 9 install in virtualbox. but after grub it just shows a blinking indicator and it does not continue boot
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1131 [12:02:56] <ws2k3> i already tryed to boot to single user mode by adding init=/bin/bash but then it still hangs. how should i continue
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1134 [12:03:17] <annadane> okay, i don't know, then. now hexchat just freezes on startup
1135 [12:03:24] <annadane> i'm on irssi now
1136 [12:03:38] <wsky> way to go, irssi++
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1138 [12:04:03] <annadane> clearly a sign from god
1139 [12:04:10] <wsky> might be
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1144 [12:05:40] <annadane> i'm sure i can always just rm -r .config/hexchat
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1146 [12:06:30] <annadane> (KDE is still a buggy piece of crap, i'd like to report)
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1151 [12:09:54] <wsky> annadane: no need, everyone knows that
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1153 [12:10:15] <annadane> "everyone"
1154 [12:10:24] <wsky> yeah, ask my mom
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1157 [12:10:45] <Kats99> hmm
1158 [12:10:46] <annadane> forget it, i'm going back to xfce
1159 [12:10:56] <annadane> mate is nice, but no middle click = close on mate terminal is icky
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1162 [12:11:04] <annadane> (yes i know you can mix and match)
1163 [12:11:06] <wsky> that's a sololid de, i'm on gnome 3 now
1164 [12:11:35] <wsky> both xfce and mate are worth installing
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1166 [12:12:16] <annadane> i just generally prefer xfce's default applications
1167 [12:12:20] <annadane> to mate's
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1169 [12:12:26] <annadane> but i've grown to appreciate mate more
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1172 [12:13:47] <annadane> is KDE seriously known as generally really buggy? even as of 5.14?
1173 [12:13:53] <annadane> i think 5.8 in stretch had some growing pains, but...
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1178 [12:16:20] <annadane> time for a fresh install though i think, this machine now has too many packages
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1193 [12:23:41] <jim> annadane, why not just uninstall them?
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1195 [12:24:10] <annadane> jim: because i'm dissatisfied now. :P it doesn't take much work to get a new system up to scratch
1196 [12:24:21] <annadane> i like things to be cleaner
1197 [12:25:52] <jim> ok, that's fair
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1201 [12:26:32] <annadane> believe me, i know i *can*. anyway, ciao, see you on my xfce thingy
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1218 [12:38:42] <ws2k3> got a debian 9 install in virtualbox. but after grub it just shows a blinking indicator and it does not continue boot
1219 [12:38:45] <ws2k3> i already tryed to boot to single user mode by adding init=/bin/bash but then it still hangs. how should i continue
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1223 [12:40:48] <wsky> seems like it's an "install"
1224 [12:40:55] <wsky> what's the virtual machine software you use?
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1227 [12:44:06] <ws2k3> virtual bnoc
1228 [12:44:14] <ws2k3> virtual box*
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1230 [12:44:34] <wsky> was that first time you installed debian?
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1234 [12:45:24] <ws2k3> wsky no
1235 [12:45:39] <wsky> either you installed it wrong or your vbox is missconfigured
1236 [12:45:44] <ws2k3> but the vm was created on ubuntu and now is booting on macosx but i think that shoudnt matter
1237 [12:46:00] <wsky> no it should not
1238 [12:46:10] <wsky> i'd recommend #vbox for this issue
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1251 [13:04:28] <zzarr> hello!
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1253 [13:04:54] <zzarr> if I have a source package (.deb) how do I build/install it?
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1259 [13:06:38] <Wulf> zzarr: source packages are not .deb
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1261 [13:07:14] <wsky> zzarr: dpkg-buildpackage
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1264 [13:07:36] <zzarr> Wulf: the package is called glibc-source_2.29-3_all.deb
1265 [13:07:41] <wsky> after running apt-get build-dep package
1266 [13:07:44] <zzarr> thanks wsky
1267 [13:08:12] <zzarr> wsky: I'll do that :)
1268 [13:08:28] <wsky> that will work only if the source commes from debian repository
1269 [13:08:34] <wsky> (by using apt-get source package)
1270 [13:08:53] <wsky> if the source comes from upstream you want checkinstall
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1273 [13:09:46] <Wulf> zzarr: that's not a source package, even though it contains sources. Install it like any other package (dpkg -i), then go into /usr/src/glibc/ and type dpkg-buildpackage
1274 [13:10:45] <zzarr> thanks both wsky and Wulf
1275 [13:11:14] <zzarr> Wulf: that explains it, thanks
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1279 [13:14:42] <zzarr> I just realized that I may have began this from the wrong end, I have a server that runs buster, but I need glibc 2.29 for a project, should I upgrade to bullseye?
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1281 [13:16:13] <zzarr> (buster uses glibc 2.28)
1282 [13:16:48] <wsky> i'd rather not modify the os by myself like that
1283 [13:16:57] <wsky> upgrade would be more tempting to me
1284 [13:17:12] <zzarr> then.. I'll do that
1285 [13:17:21] <Kats99> irrelevant question: can somebody help me in configuring my tinyfugue client?
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1335 [13:46:04] <m04ftKK> Join #ruby,#Linux
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1338 [13:46:54] <ratrace> No.
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1341 [13:48:15] <jelly> m04ftKK: you'll have to do it separately for each channel and put a / right before, /join #ruby
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1343 [13:48:38] <jelly> m04ftKK: also #Linux is really ##Linux
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1346 [13:49:18] <m04ftKK> @Jenny thanks
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1350 [13:53:52] <abrotman> Jenny eh?
1351 [13:53:53] <ratrace> yeah @Jenny, thanks.
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1397 [14:19:10] <rocketmagnet> asdf
1398 [14:19:15] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone
1399 [14:19:20] <new> hi
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1401 [14:19:54] <rocketmagnet> i've the follwoing problem, i try to use glfw with opengl and i get the error: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libOpenGL.so.0: undefined symbol: _glapi_tls_Current
1402 [14:20:16] <rocketmagnet> it worked in previous debian versions
1403 [14:20:44] <rocketmagnet> i'm now on buster+
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1405 [14:20:57] <whislock> Define "buster+"
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1410 [14:21:23] <wxb> Buster and Beyond (c)
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1419 [14:23:18] <whislock> rocketmagnet: ?
1420 [14:23:29] <grzesiek11> buster + backports maybe?
1421 [14:23:47] <whislock> Or buster + testing. That's why I'm trying to clarify.
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1434 [14:32:33] <whislock> rocketmagnet: Did you want to clarify what "buster+" means?
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1436 [14:33:03] <rocketmagnet> i want to know why i get this linking error
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1438 [14:33:14] <rocketmagnet> it worked with the last stable version
1439 [14:33:21] <whislock> rocketmagnet: I want you to answer my question. Define "buster+" please.
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1441 [14:34:01] <rocketmagnet> buster is my distribution
1442 [14:34:07] <whislock> Then what is the +?
1443 [14:34:14] <rocketmagnet> typo
1444 [14:34:18] <wsky> lol
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1446 [14:34:47] <whislock> I don't buy that, frankly. + is a hard thing to typo when you're not using the shift key in anything you say
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1449 [14:35:33] <rocketmagnet> the points is i'm using the buster distro
1450 [14:35:50] <whislock> And the fact that you're dodging the question makes this even more suspicious.
1451 [14:35:51] <rocketmagnet> and i get this strange linking error on opengl
1452 [14:36:01] <whislock> So please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list file.
1453 [14:36:02] <whislock> !paste
1454 [14:36:02] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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1456 [14:36:19] <lorban> starting to learn how to use IR
1457 [14:36:23] <lorban> IRC
1458 [14:36:30] <lorban> is there someone here?
1459 [14:36:48] <whislock> lorban: Lots of people, though many are inactive based on time of day.
1460 [14:36:54] <rocketmagnet> replaced-url
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1463 [14:37:36] <whislock> rocketmagnet: Line 19 tells me that you modified that before pasting it.
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1465 [14:37:45] <whislock> !frankendebian
1466 [14:37:45] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
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1472 [14:39:37] <lorban> I'm trying to learn commands
1473 [14:40:08] <rocketmagnet> that's my current source.list file: replaced-url
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1475 [14:40:14] <whislock> lorban: IRC commands or Linux commands in general?
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1477 [14:40:45] <lorban> I want to try to send some pvt message, who is available to get some message? irc messages btw
1478 [14:41:04] <lorban> maybe I should go for one other specific channel
1479 [14:41:15] <whislock> lorban: Most people do not appreciate unsolicited private messages, to be aware.
1480 [14:41:49] <Fox> lorban: /join #test
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1483 [14:42:32] <lorban> yes that's why I'm asking here
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1492 [14:47:21] <lorban> how can I quote sentences?
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1505 [14:55:32] <lxsameer> hey folks, I have the right timezone on /etc/timezone and timedatectl reports the correct time zone, but `date` is -05 hourse
1506 [14:55:38] <lxsameer> how can i debug this ?
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1510 [14:58:23] <dvs> lxsameer, it depends what the command "hwclock" says and what the third line in /etc/adjtime says.
1511 [14:58:55] <lxsameer> dvs: hwclock returns the wrong time
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1513 [14:59:17] <lxsameer> dvs: and i don't have /etc/adjtime
1514 [14:59:39] <dvs> lxsameer, is the time 5 hours off?
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1516 [14:59:58] <lxsameer> dvs: hwclock return -5 hours
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1519 [15:00:09] <dvs> well...?
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1521 [15:00:29] <dvs> it means your BIOS clock is off.
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1524 [15:00:49] <lxsameer> dvs: cool, thanks
1525 [15:00:54] <dvs> np
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1538 [15:08:15] <Akuw> how can i delete a number of lines from current position to back in vim
1539 [15:08:37] <Akuw> i mean, i am on line 40 and want to delete all lines from 39 to 1
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1541 [15:09:21] <dvs> Akuw, go to line 1 and type "40dd" ?
1542 [15:09:51] <tangarora_> Akuw: dd?
1543 [15:10:22] <lxsameer> dvs: i setup ntp, and it return the wrong time as well, is that normal ?
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1546 [15:10:30] <tangarora_> dd = delete line... prepend with number of lines... try it
1547 [15:10:33] <Akuw> done
1548 [15:10:41] <Akuw> now from current line to end
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1550 [15:10:49] <Akuw> ddG ?
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1552 [15:11:48] <dvs> lxsameer, ntp should return the right time. I thought the hardware time was stored in the /etc/adjtime file but they may have changed where that file is.
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1555 [15:12:50] <lxsameer> dvs: hmmm weird
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1572 [15:22:32] <lxsameer> dvs: apparently if the time difference between what ntp returns and hwclock is big ntp does not update the time
1573 [15:23:46] <dvs> lxsameer, it should be the difference between ntp and the date command?
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1575 [15:23:52] <dvs> right?
1576 [15:24:02] <karlpinc> Akuw: I don't want to start an editor war here but if you find vi troublesome and want to try emacs then be sure to install the emacs<VERSION>-common-non-dfsg package to get the emacs documentation, including the tutorial. The emacs splash screen says how to run the tutorial (if you read the page).
1577 [15:24:18] <dvs> too late!
1578 [15:24:23] <dvs> !start an editor war
1579 [15:24:24] <dpkg> edlin bites.
1580 [15:24:28] <Akuw> hehehehe
1581 [15:24:37] <Akuw> vim is nice no problem
1582 [15:24:40] <karlpinc> Akuw: I mention this because the docs are in the non-free section of the repos.
1583 [15:24:44] <Akuw> but i can try emacs too
1584 [15:24:57] <karlpinc> Akuw: Pick one or the other and get good at it.
1585 [15:25:21] <Akuw> sure
1586 [15:25:23] <RoyK> I beleive replaced-url
1587 [15:25:24] <karlpinc> Akuw: (You should at least get to the point where you can cut and paste using the editor instead of using the mouse.)
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1589 [15:25:40] <Akuw> yy
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1614 [15:38:08] <OS-61510> /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER OS-61510 bqkpsxnhxhrj
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1629 [15:48:58] <section1> lol
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1632 [15:49:59] <ratrace> ofsec haxxor wannabe fail
1633 [15:50:05] <RoyK> section1: yeah, someone should reset his or her password :)
1634 [15:50:15] <section1> :)
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1636 [15:50:30] <ratrace> that was registration confirmation token, not a pass
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1638 [15:50:55] <section1> oh ok
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1700 [16:17:05] <wwilliam> hello how do i password protect a directory from being deleted in debian: Operating System: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch)
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1702 [16:17:15] <befree22> how do i create a boot partition on a usb stick that can mount my nvme root partition drive?
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1706 [16:17:28] <befree22> bios doesnt support booting the nvme drive directly
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1710 [16:19:48] <DrOwl> wwilliam: you can not as such do that, you could have it owned by a diffent user and then give read only permissions
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1714 [16:20:41] <wwilliam> It would be nice that not even root can deleted without a pw many people here have the root pw.
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1716 [16:20:51] <wwilliam> Thanks DrOwl
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1718 [16:21:11] <trek00> befree22: do you need a temporary fix, or something permanent?
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1720 [16:21:22] <befree22> trek00 both
1721 [16:21:29] <befree22> i just broke my working grub
1722 [16:21:31] <trek00> wwilliam: you can't prevent root removing something
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1724 [16:22:03] <trek00> befree22: try with debian live on your usb stick, it could help you to boot into your nvme
1725 [16:22:07] <befree22> trek00 i would like the temporary fix so i can have a working environment
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1727 [16:22:19] <befree22> i need to install grub to the usb drive
1728 [16:22:20] <jhutchins_wk> befree22: What hardware is this on?
1729 [16:22:27] <befree22> a laptop
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1731 [16:22:33] <trek00> befree22: moreover the debian installer has a rescue menu to reinstall grub
1732 [16:23:02] <befree22> i dont understand how it can boot on a different drive than root i've never dont that before
1733 [16:23:21] <DrOwl> wwilliam: maybe you could play with mounts... i.e. have that dir on a seperate mount and mount it ro
1734 [16:23:37] <trek00> DrOwl: good tip :)
1735 [16:23:48] <eggplant_emoji> Is begging on IRC the best way to get a package backported?
1736 [16:24:03] <wwilliam> thanks DrOwl
1737 [16:24:23] <greycat> !simple sid backport
1738 [16:24:24] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
1739 [16:24:41] <DrOwl> most welcome
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1741 [16:25:00] <jhutchins_wk> eggplant_emoji: There is also a backports mailing list, and I believe you can file an RFP "bugreport" requesting it.
1742 [16:25:12] <befree22> any ideas?
1743 [16:25:17] <greycat> !any ideas
1744 [16:25:17] <dpkg> Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of herring, a little WD-40, and a dozen starving goats. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours!
1745 [16:25:25] <jhutchins_wk> eggplant_emoji: What package are you looking for?
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1747 [16:26:00] <trek00> befree22: i don't understand your last question
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1749 [16:26:15] <befree22> what do i do?
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1752 [16:26:35] <DrOwl> befree22 /boot is usually a seperate mount anyway
1753 [16:26:36] <eggplant_emoji> greycat: this is a fairly helpful robot
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1755 [16:26:57] <befree22> DrOwl ok?
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1758 [16:28:44] <trek00> befree22: may be this can help you, it's the guide to rescue from the debian installer iso/usb replaced-url
1759 [16:28:48] <eggplant_emoji> greycat: are those numbers steps to be followed in order, or alternatives?
1760 [16:28:55] <greycat> In order.
1761 [16:29:19] <befree22> can anyone explain it to me?
1762 [16:29:56] <eggplant_emoji> greycat++
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1765 [16:30:39] <ratrace> !greycatsnack
1766 [16:30:39] <dpkg> hey greycat, here's a peanut butter cookie for all the hard work
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1769 [16:31:43] <jhutchins_wk> befree22: Perhaps a preliminary step would be to boot to a live image and see if the OS can even read the nvme?
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1772 [16:31:59] <befree22> it can
1773 [16:32:10] <befree22> it just cant boot directly to it
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1775 [16:32:50] <befree22> i need to boot from a usb which mounts root on the nvme drive
1776 [16:33:01] <befree22> how do i do that?
1777 [16:33:36] <sweep90> does anyone have experience with code::blocks crashing a lot?
1778 [16:34:41] <befree22> rebooting, trying random stuff
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1780 [16:35:01] <trek00> befree22: if it is a bios issue, may be you can boot from usb adding this kernel commandline to grub: root=/dev/yourdevice...
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1795 [16:48:58] <JamesBong> hi there
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1814 [17:00:19] <dataCobra> Hello, if I found a problem that makes it impossible to install debian buster via debootstrap on different systems, to which person, group, email, etc. should I report this?
1815 [17:00:45] <dataCobra> It's a problem in the mkconfig of grub
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1821 [17:01:42] <dataCobra> But I think that it has something to do with the whole installation process.
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1823 [17:02:18] <ratrace> dataCobra: what problem? I install debian servers exclusively with debootstrap...
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1825 [17:02:41] <dataCobra> Okay, I try to explain.
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1827 [17:03:06] <ratrace> as for your actual question...
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1829 [17:03:13] <ratrace> !reportbug
1830 [17:03:13] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
1831 [17:03:52] <dataCobra> So I use GRML2018.12 as a LIVEcd to install debian via debootstrap
1832 [17:04:13] <dataCobra> First of all I use fdisk to partition my disk
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1834 [17:04:44] <dataCobra> after this i create /dev/sdx1 as boot with ext4 and /dev/sdx2 as lvm with lv_root and lv_swap (as an example)
1835 [17:05:35] <dataCobra> After mounting all the stuff to /mnt/chroot I make "debootstrap --arch=amd64 buster replaced-url
1836 [17:05:59] <dataCobra> This works without any problem
1837 [17:06:01] <dataCobra> but then
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1841 [17:06:21] <dataCobra> I bind /dev /prov/ sys and chroot into the new system
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1843 [17:06:32] <dataCobra> first of all I install vim and lvm2
1844 [17:06:38] <ratrace> dataCobra: /dev/pts too?
1845 [17:06:56] <dataCobra> Let me check my documentation
1846 [17:07:05] <dataCobra> I don't think that I mount pts
1847 [17:07:06] <ratrace> dataCobra: and sdx1 to /boot of course?
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1849 [17:07:14] <dataCobra> yeah of course :)
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1851 [17:07:24] <ratrace> /dev/pts is needed
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1853 [17:07:44] <dataCobra> but if i bind mount /dev to /mnt/chroot/dev pts should be there also
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1856 [17:08:02] <ratrace> dataCobra: only if you --rbind or -R. it's not with -B or --bind
1857 [17:08:09] <dataCobra> hmm
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1859 [17:08:19] <dataCobra> so let me try to explain what happens then
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1862 [17:08:43] <ratrace> but then rbind will flak your host's systemd for some reason so I stopped using it in favor of explicitly -B(inding) all parts
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1865 [17:08:54] <dataCobra> lvm2 takes about 10+ minutes when it tries to configure after apt install
1866 [17:09:11] * ratrace 's hate of systemd is growing daily, especially this week
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1869 [17:09:58] <dataCobra> After lvm2 is done after an unreasonbale amount of time
1870 [17:10:19] <dataCobra> I configure /etc/fstab and all the other necessary parts
1871 [17:10:19] <jelly> dataCobra: do you have an unreasonable amount of disks or paths to disks?
1872 [17:10:27] <dataCobra> na
1873 [17:10:29] <dataCobra> no
1874 [17:10:44] <dataCobra> the config time does not depend on the amount of disks or stuff
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1876 [17:11:07] <dataCobra> even if I have onyl sda with sda1 as boot and sda2 as vg with lv1 root and lv2 swap
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1882 [17:11:48] <dataCobra> Then I install all the other stuff like kernel and such
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1884 [17:12:05] <dataCobra> and of course grub-pc or grub-amd64-efi
1885 [17:12:10] <jelly> dataCobra: wait, you first install lvm2 and then the kernel and boot loader?
1886 [17:12:12] <dataCobra> depending on the system
1887 [17:12:23] <ratrace> and lvm2?
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1889 [17:12:52] <dataCobra> like I told you directly after I chroot I first install only lvm2 and vim
1890 [17:13:04] <ratrace> ah sorry missed that.
1891 [17:13:06] <dataCobra> Also this documentation of mine work perfectly for stretch
1892 [17:13:08] * ratrace clicks Continue
1893 [17:13:10] <jelly> dataCobra: is /run bind mounted into chroot as well? Do you manual chroot or grml-chroot?
1894 [17:13:20] <dataCobra> manualy chroot
1895 [17:13:23] <jelly> ok
1896 [17:13:33] <dataCobra> run is not bind mounted
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1898 [17:13:49] <jelly> because grml-chroot does a lot of that automagically and I don't know precisely what it does
1899 [17:13:51] <dataCobra> Then grub tries to configure and stand still for forever
1900 [17:13:54] <dataCobra> nothing happens
1901 [17:14:14] <dataCobra> I tried it on different systems with different approchas it does not matter
1902 [17:14:16] * ratrace doesn't (bind) mount /run and that doesn't seem to bother the installation
1903 [17:14:18] <jelly> grub-pc or grub-efi or happens on both?
1904 [17:14:25] <dataCobra> on both
1905 [17:14:28] <jelly> weird
1906 [17:14:31] <dataCobra> also system independent
1907 [17:14:37] <ratrace> oh wait, there's a known bug about this, was mentioned here few days ago
1908 [17:14:45] <ratrace> if only I bookmarked it
1909 [17:14:47] <dataCobra> I also tried in a kvm/qemu vm
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1911 [17:15:29] <dataCobra> My first thougth was that there is a problem with fstab or lvm
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1913 [17:15:54] <dataCobra> But when I make sda2 a luks container and in this lvm the problem is also the same
1914 [17:16:09] <dataCobra> I also tried fstab with UUID,LABEL and normal path to dev
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1917 [17:16:45] <ratrace> dataCobra: someone else mentioned this here few days ago, and they found a bug report, grub-mkconfig hanging in chroots when lvm is involved
1918 [17:16:46] <dataCobra> At the moment I always use my documentation for stretch and dist-upgrade to buster. But this is not worth my time
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1920 [17:16:54] <dataCobra> OH
1921 [17:16:58] <dataCobra> There is a bug report now?
1922 [17:17:06] <dataCobra> I will look for this
1923 [17:17:11] <ratrace> they linked it here and I didn't bookmark it
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1925 [17:17:20] <dataCobra> Last time I looked it up I found nothing
1926 [17:17:29] <dataCobra> and was thinking I'm the one to blame
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1929 [17:18:37] <ratrace> dataCobra: see if binding /run from the host helps
1930 [17:18:56] <dataCobra> I will try that :)
1931 [17:19:29] <jelly> I suspect it might unhelp
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1937 [17:20:04] <dataCobra> Hmm....
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1939 [17:20:27] <dataCobra> So I can't find a bugreport in grub for that
1940 [17:20:51] <jelly> it will be a bug for lvm2 presumably
1941 [17:21:07] <ratrace> I think this was the bug report replaced-url
1942 [17:21:08] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1943 [17:21:31] <dataCobra> judd: Oh thank you very much. :)
1944 [17:21:44] <ratrace> you're welcome.
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1948 [17:23:50] <jelly> the linked RHEL bug is informative
1949 [17:23:53] <jelly> replaced-url
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1960 [17:27:30] <eblip> hey how do you get skype on debian buster
1961 [17:27:43] <eblip> do i have to install pidgin
1962 [17:27:52] <wsky> no need
1963 [17:27:58] <wsky> just dpkg -i the deb
1964 [17:28:03] <wsky> then apt-get -f install
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1967 [17:28:14] <eblip> ah wsky ..ill look into that
1968 [17:28:17] <dataCobra> You could also apt install the deb
1969 [17:28:37] <eblip> once i install it ...will it be updated with apt update
1970 [17:28:44] <dataCobra> No thats not the case
1971 [17:28:49] <dataCobra> It's not in the archives
1972 [17:29:10] <dataCobra> Do you only write text or do you want to use the video feature also?
1973 [17:29:21] <wsky> skype deb scripts install their repo to the system, it will get updates
1974 [17:29:26] <eblip> i want to use it for international phone calls
1975 [17:29:38] <eblip> fantastic wsky
1976 [17:30:33] <themill> btw it's better to use "apt install ./foo.deb" rather than "dpkg -i foo.deb; apt-get -f install"
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1978 [17:31:41] <dataCobra> themill: eblip: it will install dependencies automaticly with "apt install ./foo.deb" that's why this is better. :)
1979 [17:32:03] <wsky> i might be old fashioned
1980 [17:32:17] <dataCobra> wsky: nah its okay everybody has it's way
1981 [17:32:19] <eblip> yes this sounds great...thank you all so much
1982 [17:32:42] <wsky> works fine, i talked today on skype running on debian buster
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1985 [17:33:39] <themill> the common follow up question to "dpkg -i foo.deb; apt-get -f install" is "why does apt want to remove foo (for this completely incompatible package)"
1986 [17:34:07] <greycat> one wonders if "apt install ./foo.deb" might be more clever
1987 [17:34:19] <dataCobra> themill: Oh I'm a bad debian user. Never read that text :O
1988 [17:34:53] <domovoy> just a thought: since i manage /foo and everything under it using ACLs, wouldn't it be easier to just 'chown -R root:root /foo; chmod -R u=rwX,g=rwXs,o-rwx /foo', and then manage _all_ permissions using setfacl? anything wrong with that?
1989 [17:34:58] <dataCobra> greycat: I think it' not more clever but another way to do it. With less characters
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1991 [17:35:30] <greycat> I would imagine apt is far less likely to recommend removing foo, if you are explicitly asking to install foo
1992 [17:35:34] <domovoy> appart maybe for the fact that the actual permissions are not obvious with a simple 'ls -l'
1993 [17:35:38] <themill> greycat: yeah, it will just tell you that the dependencies can't be fulfilled and so will do nothing, rather than half-breaking the package manager first
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1997 [17:37:01] <dataCobra> jelly: ratrace: So I read the bugreport stuff. I'm a little scared about this. Because there is no response till 24jul to this report... :/
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1999 [17:39:40] <ratrace> dataCobra: InstallZFS(tm)
2000 [17:39:56] <dataCobra> ratrace: ppffff... I dont think so
2001 [17:40:07] * ratrace shrugs
2002 [17:41:43] <dataCobra> I mean there is no BIG problem with install stretch first and then dist-upgrade to buster. But this is a problem since the release of buster and there is nothing done yet.
2003 [17:42:23] <greycat> Debian is many things, but "fast to respond" isn't generally one of them.
2004 [17:45:35] <ratrace> also debootstrapping prolly isn't that widespread to become visible as a release-critical bug
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2010 [17:47:11] <wsky> probably somewhere in oldstable
2011 [17:47:20] <dataCobra> I wonder why this problem does not occure in normel deb install
2012 [17:47:33] <dataCobra> *normal
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2014 [17:48:07] <greycat> debootstrap gets a LOT less testing
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2019 [17:49:55] <revolutionary> hi all. Is there any way to disable "completely" display managers on Buster?
2020 [17:50:00] <ratrace> I depend so much on debootstrap, that if it failed on me, I'd build my own, with blackjack and hooker, and prolly based on a working "regular" installation, converted to ZFS and turned into a tarball
2021 [17:50:03] <greycat> !nodm
2022 [17:50:03] <dpkg> In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
2023 [17:50:37] <revolutionary> greycat how can i understand am i systemd or not?
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2026 [17:50:52] <greycat> ls -l /sbin/init
2027 [17:50:53] <ratrace> you are, if you need to ask.
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2029 [17:50:58] <themill> much much older than oldstable replaced-url
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2031 [17:51:33] <themill> judd, bug 2297
2032 [17:51:34] <revolutionary> greycat what is the other alternative except systemd?
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2034 [17:51:34] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2036 [17:52:03] <greycat> themill: are they deleted from the "bugs" table when they're closed?
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2038 [17:52:16] <themill> when they are archived
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2044 [17:52:49] <ratrace> Someone should reply to Mrs. Wang. She seems to have an interesting proposal. replaced-url
2045 [17:53:14] <ratrace> oh you already posted it, themill :)
2046 [17:53:34] <dataCobra> :D
2047 [17:54:47] <revolutionary> how can i view installed display managers?
2048 [17:55:12] <greycat> revolutionary: dpkg -l gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm # might be a good enough start
2049 [17:55:15] <revolutionary> i remember something dpkg --configure x-session or something like that?
2050 [17:55:32] <greycat> x-session-manager is your desktop environment, not your display manager
2051 [17:55:43] <greycat> I have a feeling you have been asking the wrong questions all along. What are you trying to do?
2052 [17:56:01] <revolutionary> i am trying to view installed dmS
2053 [17:56:07] <greycat> What do you believe a "dm" is?
2054 [17:56:15] <revolutionary> display manager
2055 [17:56:17] <kadiro> you can see the default one in /etc/X11/default-display-manager
2056 [17:56:24] <greycat> Explain in English what you belive a displaya manager is.
2057 [17:56:41] <revolutionary> sddm or lightdm or something like that
2058 [17:56:49] <greycat> revolutionary: dpkg -l gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm # might be a good enough start
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2061 [17:57:39] <dataCobra> All that is listed with dpkg -l is installed
2062 [17:57:48] <greycat> Not always.
2063 [17:57:53] <dataCobra> ?
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2065 [17:58:07] <dataCobra> In which weird configurations would dpkg -l not show installed?
2066 [17:58:20] <ratrace> rc
2067 [17:58:25] <kitsune> can anyone help me im having an issue changing the background in gdm3
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2069 [17:58:30] <greycat> sometimes it shows things that are removed-but-not-purged, or things that have never been installed, but show up because they're mentioned by something else, I dunno, never quite understood
2070 [17:58:35] <kitsune> i tried following the debian wiki instructions but they didnt work
2071 [17:58:58] <greycat> replaced-url
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2075 [17:59:15] <greycat> Why did it show mdadm? I have no idea.
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2077 [18:00:01] <annadane> kitsune, for what?
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2080 [18:01:07] <dataCobra> kitsune wants to do this: can anyone help me im having an issue changing the background in gdm3
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2086 [18:01:56] <annadane> knowing gnome? probably some obscure nonsense
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2088 [18:02:15] <annadane> replaced-url
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2090 [18:02:18] <dataCobra> Isn't there a update alternatives for the gnome background?
2091 [18:02:40] <kadiro> I believe most DM have right click menu from desktop to do that
2092 [18:02:45] <dka> how can I open an obex url on debian ?
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2094 [18:02:51] <annadane> gnome probably doesn't (but i don't know)
2095 [18:03:04] <dka> I have tried nemo obex://08:AE:D6:84:A7:57 , didnt work
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2098 [18:03:15] <mad_monk> How can I install xtables-addons-common on debian 10 (buster)?
2099 [18:03:21] <dataCobra> What is obex for a protocol?
2100 [18:03:25] <dataCobra> Never heard of it
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2102 [18:03:48] <trek00> dataCobra: bluetooth
2103 [18:03:49] <dka> replaced-url
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2105 [18:04:29] <dataCobra> trek00: ph
2106 [18:04:34] <dataCobra> trek00: *oh
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2108 [18:04:39] <kitsune> dataCobra, annadane: I've tried changing /etc/gdm3/greeter.dconf-defaults as per the wiki and /usr/share/gnome-shell/theme/gnome-classic.css and neither work
2109 [18:05:00] <dataCobra> Which background in the gdm did you tried to change in particula
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2111 [18:05:03] <annadane> you probably don't need to do that purely for backgrounds
2112 [18:05:04] <dataCobra> *particular?
2113 [18:05:20] <kitsune> im trying to change the login background
2114 [18:05:24] <dataCobra> the grey one when typing login credentials or the normal
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2116 [18:05:27] <annadane> ah.
2117 [18:05:29] <kitsune> the grey one
2118 [18:05:31] <dataCobra> Ahhh
2119 [18:05:34] <dataCobra> okay
2120 [18:05:39] <dataCobra> I've did that some time age
2121 [18:05:41] <dataCobra> *ago
2122 [18:05:47] <dataCobra> Let me look it up for you
2123 [18:05:58] <dka> it's written here : replaced-url
2124 [18:05:58] <dka> obex://[00:01:02:03:04:05]
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2126 [18:06:03] <dka> but that's not true
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2128 [18:06:22] <trek00> dka: if you need to work with bluetooth you should install bluez
2129 [18:06:23] <dataCobra> dka: maybe some \ for the [
2130 [18:06:30] <dka> It says nemo cannot handle obex locations
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2132 [18:06:43] <dka> No I guess nemo cant do it
2133 [18:06:50] <dka> how can I browser file over obex on debian?
2134 [18:06:50] <annadane> if the wiki DOES say that, and it doesn't work, i'm 99% certain GNOME changed its behavior from the last release in debian which means the wiki entry needs to be changed
2135 [18:06:59] <kitsune> dataCobra: ive tried pretty much every solution google has gave me and none work
2136 [18:07:20] <kitsune> dataCobra: the debian wiki instructions for gdm are incorrect
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2138 [18:07:46] <trek00> dka: with obexfs you can mount obex filesystems
2139 [18:07:59] <dka> I want something more friendly it's for my personal laptop
2140 [18:08:05] <dataCobra> kitsune: so you edit "/usr/share/gnome-shell/theme/gnome-shell.css"
2141 [18:08:07] <dka> no need the command line for thos
2142 [18:08:20] <kitsune> there is no gnome-shell.css in that directory
2143 [18:08:22] <dka> I'd want to have the button browser file available and working and for that I need a GUI fs for obex
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2146 [18:08:26] <revolutionary> how can i test are display managers are really displayed? Is there any test process?
2147 [18:08:39] <revolutionary> for example gpg prompts
2148 [18:08:40] <trek00> dka: may be there is some plugin related to your filemanager and bluez/obex
2149 [18:08:46] <kadiro> kitsune, try to create it
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2151 [18:08:55] <kitsune> dataCobra: only gnome-classic.css and gnome-classic-high-contrast.css
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2155 [18:09:08] <dataCobra_> revolutionary: could you explain this a bit more?
2156 [18:09:41] <revolutionary> dataCobra_ i removed sddm from my computer and i wanna test display managers are really removed
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2159 [18:10:11] <dataCobra_> revolutionary: do I understand correct that you want to know if sddm is really removed from the system?
2160 [18:10:19] <revolutionary> yes
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2164 [18:10:42] <kadiro> remove/purge it
2165 [18:11:04] <dataCobra> kitsune: "update-alternatives --config gdm3.css" what does this tell you?
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2167 [18:11:24] <dataCobra_> revolutionary: so use "apt autoremove --purge sddm
2168 [18:11:44] <dataCobra_> revolutionary: but be careful and look up which packages get uninstalled from the system
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2170 [18:12:04] <dataCobra_> revolutionary: because of dependencies you could break more then you might think
2171 [18:12:28] <dataCobra_> It's weird to write with 2 accounts at once
2172 [18:12:37] <dataCobra_> disconnect on my laptop
2173 [18:12:39] <revolutionary> dataCobra_ making apt autoremove all things is a good idea for saving place?
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2176 [18:13:04] <trek00> dka: do you have gvfs-backends installed?
2177 [18:13:14] <kadiro> that's for autoclean I believe
2178 [18:13:17] <dataCobra_> revolutionary: do you mean diskspace with place?
2179 [18:13:25] <revolutionary> yes
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2181 [18:14:08] <dataCobra_> If apt autoremove tells you to remove something it frees up some disk space yeah
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2183 [18:14:38] <annadane> i mean do pay attention to what it actually offers to remove
2184 [18:14:44] <dka> Yes I do trek00
2185 [18:14:50] <kitsune> dataCobra: update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for gdm3.css
2186 [18:14:55] <annadane> don't just blindly remove stuff that'll wreck your system
2187 [18:14:58] <dka> I am not able to understand how I can use the obex ftp at all
2188 [18:14:58] <dataCobra_> kitsune: hmmm
2189 [18:15:02] <dka> I am on Debian buster latest version
2190 [18:15:09] <dka> nemo can't open obex:// url
2191 [18:15:15] <dataCobra_> maybe let my fast install a vm with debian gnome
2192 [18:15:17] <dka> Is there any file browser that can ?
2193 [18:15:17] <kitsune> i tried creating a gnome-shell.css so i will log real quick to see if it working
2194 [18:15:32] <dataCobra_> kitsune: I will make a vm with debian gnome
2195 [18:15:38] <dataCobra_> give mea 5 minutes
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2198 [18:16:35] <trek00> dka: i don't know, but did you paired bluetooth devices?
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2200 [18:16:50] <dataCobra_> dka: maybe nautilus can
2201 [18:17:00] <dataCobra_> dka: it has some very nice modules to offer
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2204 [18:17:16] <dataCobra_> dka: look it up in the archives
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2206 [18:17:32] <revolutionary> Is using non-free packages mean we are not safe, is this correct?
2207 [18:17:44] <dataCobra_> kitsune: you are currently on buster right?
2208 [18:17:46] <kitsune> alright so creating gnome-shell.css had no effect
2209 [18:17:46] <dataCobra_> 10.1?
2210 [18:17:53] <kitsune> dataCobra: yes buster
2211 [18:18:14] <dataCobra_> kitsune: so I'm currently installing a vm now with buster gnome
2212 [18:18:14] <kitsune> dataCobra: i just installed today using the latest unofficial iso
2213 [18:18:23] <dataCobra_> unofficial iso?! :D
2214 [18:18:42] <kadiro> maybe gnome-shell.css become gnome-classic.css ( not sure )
2215 [18:18:42] <somiaj> revolutionary: safe from what? Debian provides non-free packages according to the non-free licesense of said packages. You may want to read each license so you know what you are agreeing to.
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2217 [18:18:48] <kitsune> Yeah the one that comes with non-free software
2218 [18:19:09] <trek00> revolutionary: it means it is non-free software, may be it is even closed source, thus no one can inspect if it contains bugs
2219 [18:19:20] <revolutionary> somiaj: i am using iwlwifi non-free package for working WIFI. Is this safe or not?
2220 [18:19:42] <dataCobra_> revolutionary: it is safe to use non-free
2221 [18:19:50] <kitsune> revolutionary: its not unsafe, its just not FOSS
2222 [18:19:59] <dataCobra_> revolutionary: non-free does mean that the code is not opensource/freesoftware
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2224 [18:20:23] <dataCobra_> revolutionary: some devices need non-free drivers to work
2225 [18:20:31] <dataCobra_> revolutionary: so iwlwifi is fine
2226 [18:20:44] <kitsune> dataCobra: maybe its a bug with the latest version of gdm3 because i had the same issue in fedora
2227 [18:20:45] <dataCobra_> revolutionary: if it works with your wifi-card
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2229 [18:21:03] <dataCobra_> kitsune: Maybe but this would be odd
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2231 [18:21:49] <somiaj> revolutionary: you haven't defined safe. Do you trust intel? The wifi firmware is used mostly to control the frequences and power of the wireless communication. Intel does this with a closed source binary blob because of regulations on what sort of power/frequences can be used, and this is the way they choose to control this.
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2233 [18:21:57] <revolutionary> i am using Lenovo and i wanted to changed to wifi card today and i got error 1802 unsupported PCI card error on BIOS. THen i did some research on the internet and i found no-1802 tool for hacking BIOS "but" i am not sure for hacking BIOS for working Atheros wifi card. Do you have any opinions?
2234 [18:22:12] <kitsune> revolutionary: are you using a thinkpad?
2235 [18:22:20] <revolutionary> yep
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2238 [18:22:28] <somiaj> revolutionary: note with wifi, even if you have a card that doesn't use non-free firmware file, there is non-free firmware on the card, so for firmware, I would boil it down, do you trust the manufacture or not.
2239 [18:22:29] <kitsune> revolutionary: they have whitelisted cards in the bios
2240 [18:22:30] <jhutchins_wk> ,v xtables-addons-common
2241 [18:22:31] <judd> Package: xtables-addons-common on amd64 -- jessie: 2.6-1; stretch: 2.12-0.1; bullseye: 3.5-0.1; sid: 3.5-0.1
2242 [18:22:39] <revolutionary> kitsune: mine is too old :)
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2244 [18:22:45] <kitsune> revolutionary: i run a t430
2245 [18:22:50] <revolutionary> sl510
2246 [18:22:51] <somiaj> (though I guess some cards allow one to flash open firmware on it, this is a very rare case)
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2248 [18:23:06] <kitsune> revolutionary: you either need to reflash the BIOS which is extremely difficult
2249 [18:23:25] <revolutionary> kitsune: do you recommend any page for this? I can do this
2250 [18:23:25] <kitsune> revolutionary: or install a card that is compatible
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2253 [18:23:34] <dataCobra> I've lost the connection to the channel
2254 [18:24:02] <revolutionary> and kitsune: how can i find compatible wifi cards for my device?
2255 [18:24:22] <revolutionary> and free firmware ones :)
2256 [18:24:53] <dataCobra> revolutionary: to get free firmware wifi cards is really hard
2257 [18:25:05] <kitsune> revolutionary: replaced-url
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2259 [18:25:28] <revolutionary> kitsune: Custom BIOSes are safe? I mean hacking BIOS is safe?
2260 [18:25:29] <kitsune> i dont know if it will work with the sl510 though ive only ever seen it done with t-series or w-series
2261 [18:26:00] <kitsune> revolutionary: no its very unsafe, if you mess it up you will brick your machine and require a new MOBO
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2263 [18:26:21] <revolutionary> kitsune: are you serious?
2264 [18:26:22] <maqr> kitsune: not strictly true... a surprising amount of mobos have 2 bios's now because people screw them up
2265 [18:26:31] <kitsune> revolutionary: not with thinkpads
2266 [18:26:42] <kitsune> maqr: not with thinkpads*
2267 [18:26:59] <maqr> oh, no, sorry, not thinkpads, but a bunch of gaming mobos have that feature now with a little hardware switch you can toggle if you do something stupid
2268 [18:27:06] <revolutionary> if i can't achieve how can i install old BIOS for my device?
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2270 [18:27:27] <maqr> revolutionary: you'd need some kind of flashing hardware and if you have to ask you're probably not going to be able to do it easily
2271 [18:27:39] <kitsune> revolutionary: here is an example on the t430 replaced-url
2272 [18:27:53] <maqr> (if you bricked it, that is)
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2274 [18:28:08] <kitsune> revolutionary: honestly if you want to be 100% open source your better off not using wifi
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2277 [18:28:30] <kitsune> dataCobra_: how is the vm coming along?
2278 [18:28:44] <kitsune> dataCobra_: also thankyou for the time youre putting in to help me
2279 [18:29:23] <dataCobra> kitsune: its almost finished
2280 [18:29:28] <dataCobra> kitsune: no problem
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2288 [18:33:56] <Deihmos> what do you use to get cpu temp?
2289 [18:33:58] <dataCobra> kitsune: so vm is up. I'm examine this now
2290 [18:34:07] <Deihmos> lm-sensors ?
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2292 [18:34:22] <dataCobra> kitsune: I will give you a report in about 5 muin
2293 [18:34:24] <dataCobra> *min
2294 [18:34:28] <kitsune> Deihmos: lm-sensors is what i've always use
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2297 [18:34:44] <revolutionary> appreciate for your interest and help. how can i find a webpage for free-firmware WIFI cards? Do you know any?
2298 [18:34:50] <kitsune> Deihmos: there is also a GUI addon for lm-sensors if you like that kind of stuff
2299 [18:35:01] <revolutionary> kitsune: btw i am watching that video now, thanks.
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2301 [18:35:06] <Deihmos> i don't have a gui
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2303 [18:35:53] <kitsune> revolutionary: replaced-url
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2305 [18:36:16] <kitsune> Deihmos: you run debian cli?
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2309 [18:37:53] <kitsune> revolutionary: i would reccomend the atheros chipsets as i've used a couple of them before and they tend to work better with little configuration
2310 [18:38:26] <revolutionary> kitsune: i have a TL-WNN722N v1 external WIFI adapter. Is this safe?
2311 [18:38:41] <revolutionary> i guess it is not required non-free
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2313 [18:39:15] <kitsune> revolutionary: doing some packet injection? It all depends what you mean by "safe"
2314 [18:39:35] <Deihmos> Yes. I got the sensors.
2315 [18:39:47] <Deihmos> Debian host my Plex server
2316 [18:40:05] <revolutionary> kitsune: not packet injection. I mean it is using ath firmware and not required non-free firmwares. I checked from that wiki page
2317 [18:40:39] <kitsune> revolutionary: yes that should be fine, i actually have one of those cards myself
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2319 [18:41:11] <kitsune> revolutionary: the only issue is that only v1 of that card uses the correct chipset, so its hard to find v1 nowadays i beleive the latest revision is v3
2320 [18:41:25] <revolutionary> i have v1
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2322 [18:41:31] <revolutionary> ar9271
2323 [18:41:56] <kitsune> revolutionary: then with an external card you should be able to just install those drivers and run it without reflashing
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2325 [18:42:13] <kitsune> revolutionary: i thought you meant you had a new pciE card
2326 [18:42:27] <revolutionary> kitsune: how can i install the drivers for this device on Buster?
2327 [18:42:50] <revolutionary> kitsune: also i have a Atheros mini pciE card except this
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2330 [18:45:05] <mad_monk> any pointers to install xtables-addon-common on debian buster?
2331 [18:45:35] <mad_monk> replaced-url
2332 [18:45:43] <kitsune> revolutionary: replaced-url
2333 [18:46:04] <kitsune> dataCobra: find anything yet?
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2335 [18:46:41] <greycat> ,v xtables-addons-common
2336 [18:46:43] <judd> Package: xtables-addons-common on amd64 -- jessie: 2.6-1; stretch: 2.12-0.1; bullseye: 3.5-0.1; sid: 3.5-0.1
2337 [18:47:38] <kitsune> revolutionary: i would stick with the usb since the pciE card would require the bios flash
2338 [18:48:17] <dataCobra> kitsune: I looked up the guide on the archwiki now
2339 [18:48:25] <dataCobra> kitsune: it looks familiar to me
2340 [18:48:31] <dataCobra> I think I did it that way
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2343 [18:49:35] <Deihmos> sensors isn't that good. I thought it would work similar to htop with background updates.
2344 [18:49:39] <dataCobra> kitsune: Since this is very time consuming I'm sorry but for trying this for you I have no time :/
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2347 [18:50:10] <dataCobra> kitsune: replaced-url
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2349 [18:50:38] <dataCobra> If this does not help, maybe try to ask someone in the gnome channel
2350 [18:50:44] <revolutionary> kitsune: i will remove connectors from MOBO of intel and install USB :)
2351 [18:50:45] <revolutionary> thanks
2352 [18:51:24] <kadiro> Deihmos, I have conky for that kind of things ( cpus, gpus, fans, ... )
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2356 [18:56:38] <dataCobra> kitsune: I hope that helps you
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2402 [19:24:20] <revolutionary> kitsune: could you please build firmware and upload to a website for me? I am seeing ETA too long.
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2404 [19:24:46] <greycat> "build firmware"?
2405 [19:24:55] <revolutionary> yes atk9k_htc
2406 [19:25:06] <revolutionary> replaced-url
2407 [19:25:15] <wsky> firmware packages are binary blobs, proprietary
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2410 [19:25:32] <revolutionary> if you read the page you will understand what i mean :)
2411 [19:25:33] <greycat> "There's also a binary version prepared for the debian archives in the package firmware-ath9k-htc"
2412 [19:25:36] <wsky> ah there is open implementation as well
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2414 [19:25:53] <revolutionary> i stuck at make toolchain step
2415 [19:25:59] <revolutionary> it is taking too long
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2418 [19:26:43] <greycat> why can't you just use the binary package?
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2420 [19:27:21] <revolutionary> greycat: i didn't understand you. when i opened debian page i saw them and i thought this is correct way
2421 [19:27:29] <greycat> "There's also a binary version prepared for the debian archives in the package firmware-ath9k-htc"
2422 [19:27:33] <greycat> Second sentence on the page.
2423 [19:28:22] <revolutionary> greycat: just apt install firmware-ath9k-htc" and reboot? Will that work?
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2425 [19:28:39] <greycat> ,v firmware-ath9k-htc
2426 [19:28:40] <judd> Package: firmware-ath9k-htc on amd64 -- bullseye: 1.4.0-97-g75b3e59+dfsg-3; buster: 1.4.0-97-g75b3e59+dfsg-3; sid: 1.4.0-97-g75b3e59+dfsg-3
2427 [19:28:49] <greycat> if you're on buster, it should
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2429 [19:28:57] <revolutionary> yes i am on Buster
2430 [19:29:09] <revolutionary> i will try now that and i am cancelling current process
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2433 [19:30:49] <revolutionary> i installed. Now i will poweroff the computer and try. Let's see.
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2441 [19:36:33] <kitsune> dataCobra: thankyou, the archlinux instructions worked perfectly
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2450 [19:39:50] <UnLokitoFeliz> Help, Make sure you have pkg-config installed
2451 [19:39:50] <UnLokitoFeliz> In the case of gnutls configuration errors on debian,
2452 [19:39:50] <UnLokitoFeliz> Ubuntu, etc, you should ensure that you have installed
2453 [19:39:50] <UnLokitoFeliz> gnutls-bin as well as libgnutls-dev and libgnutls.
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2462 [19:43:58] <towo`> UnLokitoFeliz, context?
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2497 [19:58:57] <KOLANICH> Hello.
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2502 [19:59:58] <KOLANICH> Can anyone explain where the keys are stored if /etc/apt/trusted.gpg is missing?
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2504 [20:00:24] <greycat> there's /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/
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2506 [20:01:06] <KOLANICH> I tried to just add a gpg file there, but apt doesn't use it.
2507 [20:01:41] <greycat> If you're trying to add keys for your private repository, or for some third-party repository, see apt-key(8).
2508 [20:01:57] <greycat> even if you're NOT, see apt-key(8)
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2511 [20:03:41] <KOLANICH> greycat: yes, I know. Just don't want to reverse engineer it from source. Thanks anyway, it seems I will have to.
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2514 [20:04:25] <greycat> or, you could tell us what you're trying to do
2515 [20:04:43] <jelly> KOLANICH: keys are added as a single key per file in old gpg v1 compatible public key ring format
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2517 [20:05:09] <jelly> does not accept gpg 2.x default "keybox" format because REASONS
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2520 [20:05:48] * jelly had a command line example, but he ated it
2521 [20:05:52] <KOLANICH> jelly: thanks for the info!
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2542 [20:15:09] <annadane> can anyone tell me what version of debian is needed for this? replaced-url
2543 [20:15:20] <annadane> i guess ARM
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2545 [20:16:01] <annadane> arm64 specifically
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2550 [20:17:47] <Habbie> The ARM Cortex-A12 is the successor to the Cortex-A9 and is based on a 32 Bit ARMv7-A microarchitecture.
2551 [20:17:52] <Habbie> annadane, ^ so not arm64
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2553 [20:18:12] <annadane> so armhf?
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2555 [20:18:22] <jelly> annadane: people in #linux-rockchip will tell you where to read what that SoC is precisely capable of
2556 [20:18:29] <annadane> okay
2557 [20:18:30] <jelly> possibly even s/people/topic/
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2559 [20:19:22] <jelly> which "version of Debian" could or might work is a whole different question from "which debian architecture is going to work"
2560 [20:19:39] <annadane> i'm advising someone on what to get for their chromebook, which debian image, their self described specs are Rockchip Quad-Core RK3288C Processor, 4 GB RAM, 16 GB eMMC, Chrome OS)
2561 [20:19:57] <annadane> and, yeah, i meant architecture
2562 [20:20:01] <annadane> not version
2563 [20:20:22] <Habbie> it would have been much more useful if they specified the single word chromebook model name :)
2564 [20:20:30] <jelly> ^
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2566 [20:20:45] <annadane> i'll ask them
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2576 [20:26:03] <Sepultura> why Linux has no wopen(wchar_t* filename, int mode); ?
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2578 [20:27:09] <greycat> Filenames are byte arrays, not interpreted as characters in any particular character set.
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2580 [20:27:46] <greycat> If you make a filename with a Latin-1 character and then try to "ls" it in a UTF-8 locale, you'll get gibberish.
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2584 [20:30:26] <annadane> Habbie, ASUS Chromebook C201
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2586 [20:30:34] <annadane> though i've been informed by the other channel it's armhf
2587 [20:31:33] <revolutionary> greycat: i installed firmware-ath9k-htc package and rebooted. Now i can see the WI-FI names but i can't connect :S
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2589 [20:31:50] <Sepultura> greycat: I wonder that Windows wants wchar_t for their api
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2596 [20:34:34] <revolutionary> can someone help me about WIFI on Buster?
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2599 [20:35:30] <karlpinc> !ask
2600 [20:35:30] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
2601 [20:36:08] <karlpinc> revolutionary: Otherwise, you have to be patient.
2602 [20:37:29] <revolutionary> okay, let me explain my issue. I installed firmware-ath9k-htc package and rebooted. Then plugged my WIFI adapter, i can see the WIFI names but it stuck at connecting. It stuck at "Configuring interface" step.
2603 [20:37:31] <karlpinc> revolutionary: Also, details are necessary. How do you "see" them. How are you trying to connect? How do you know you're not connected? etc.
2604 [20:37:35] <revolutionary> okay, let me explain my issue. I installed firmware-ath9k-htc package and rebooted. Then plugged my WIFI adapter, i can see the WIFI names but it stuck at connecting. It stuck at "Configuring interface" step.
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2606 [20:37:57] <karlpinc> "it"?
2607 [20:38:03] <revolutionary> Computer
2608 [20:39:05] <revolutionary> i was using embedded Intel wifi adapter, then i removed that and plugged this one.
2609 [20:39:22] <karlpinc> revolutionary: The computer sits there until you run software. But "software" is useless. So... what software and how did you start it?
2610 [20:39:27] <revolutionary> if you have more details please ask
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2612 [20:39:38] <revolutionary> karlpinc i can't understand you what do you mean
2613 [20:40:30] <karlpinc> You are running some software that's trying to "configuring interface". What software? (How did you start the software, etc.)
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2615 [20:41:16] <revolutionary> karlpinc: WIFI section. I am seeing "Configuring interface" text on WIFI list under the AP's name
2616 [20:41:30] <karlpinc> WIFI section of what program?
2617 [20:41:36] <revolutionary> KDE
2618 [20:41:41] <revolutionary> Buster
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2623 [20:43:10] <karlpinc> Ok. So someone will probably tell you to try instead to start wifi on the command line so that we can follow along. (I'm not a wifi sorta person.)
2624 [20:43:59] <revolutionary> karlpinc: thank you
2625 [20:44:35] <karlpinc> revolutionary: You have to supply enough info for people to be able to reproduce your problem. What you typed, what you expected, what happened, etc.
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2627 [20:45:49] <RoyK> revolutionary: pastbin output of "lspci" and "ip link list", please
2628 [20:46:14] <greycat> lspci -nn is better than lspci, typically
2629 [20:46:17] <RoyK> add a "sudo" in front of those commands
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2631 [20:46:26] <greycat> I don't think that matters
2632 [20:46:36] <RoyK> probably not
2633 [20:46:59] <RoyK> better start with an overview and then dig further later
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2635 [20:47:33] <revolutionary> RoyK: replaced-url
2636 [20:47:45] <revolutionary> this is lsusb because i don't have pci network card
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2640 [20:49:26] <RoyK> !pastebin
2641 [20:49:26] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
2642 [20:49:36] <revolutionary> replaced-url
2643 [20:49:39] <RoyK> better use that instead of some fancy shit
2644 [20:49:45] <revolutionary> ip link list
2645 [20:49:51] <revolutionary> pastebin?
2646 [20:49:53] <revolutionary> okay
2647 [20:50:16] <RoyK> !pastebinit
2648 [20:50:16] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg 2>&1 | pastebinit". For a list of pastebin sites do "pastebinit -l". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
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2650 [20:50:41] <greycat> The excessively long pseudo-random "key" in the URL probably means it does Javascript decryption and therefore can't be opened with curl or w3m or lynx or whatever.
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2654 [20:51:00] <revolutionary> replaced-url
2655 [20:51:23] <RoyK> or pastebin.debian.org - damnit - pastebin.com is spamming!
2656 [20:51:34] <RoyK> pastebin.debian.net even
2657 [20:51:36] <greycat> Yup, curl replaced-url
2658 [20:51:51] <greycat> paste.debian.net is what you're trying for
2659 [20:51:58] <revolutionary> greycat JS is for encrypting. anyway i am uploading paste.debian.net
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2663 [20:52:56] <revolutionary> replaced-url
2664 [20:53:18] <karlpinc> lspci -nn had to be run as root last time I paid attention. (Please let me know if this is no longer true.)
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2666 [20:53:20] <revolutionary> replaced-url
2667 [20:53:50] <greycat> karlpinc: it's never been true
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2672 [20:55:11] <greycat> 1115960 appears to be "lsusb" output and includes this line: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0cf3:9271 Qualcomm Atheros Communications AR9271 802.11n
2673 [20:55:32] <RoyK> what is wlx90f6520ea30b ?
2674 [20:55:41] <annadane> cat walking on keyboard
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2677 [20:55:49] <revolutionary> RoyK: external WIFI adapter
2678 [20:55:54] <greycat> wireless interface under the new "predictable" naming scheme
2679 [20:55:56] <revolutionary> tl-wn722n
2680 [20:56:01] <RoyK> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0cf3:9271 Qualcomm Atheros Communications AR9271 802.11n
2681 [20:56:04] <RoyK> probably that one
2682 [20:56:08] <revolutionary> yep
2683 [20:56:19] <greycat> USB devices typically get named with their MAC address
2684 [20:56:23] <RoyK> revolutionary: have you configured it?
2685 [20:56:30] <karlpinc> greycat: Humm. I don't know what I'm thinking of then.
2686 [20:56:49] <revolutionary> RoyK: no. i don't know how can i do
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2703 [21:03:44] <boktan> hi this is my xorg file: replaced-url
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2706 [21:04:27] <boktan> if i just put those lines at bottom of file i stuck on boot screen
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2713 [21:07:44] <revolutionary> i solved
2714 [21:07:59] <RoyK> revolutionary: found the problem?
2715 [21:08:33] <revolutionary> i edited NetworkManager.conf and added these lines "[device] wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=0"
2716 [21:08:35] <revolutionary> and solved
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2718 [21:08:41] <boktan> help me please
2719 [21:08:42] <revolutionary> is this confirmed and trusted way?
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2721 [21:08:53] <revolutionary> found from the internet
2722 [21:09:26] <revolutionary> RoyK: how can i change my interface's name
2723 [21:09:27] <towo`> boktan, replaced-url
2724 [21:09:32] <revolutionary> to original one
2725 [21:09:37] <revolutionary> wlps5......
2726 [21:10:01] <greycat> replaced-url
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2728 [21:10:13] <boktan> thank you so much towo'
2729 [21:11:21] <revolutionary> greycat: can you tell me the original wifi interface name? i don't remember that
2730 [21:11:34] <greycat> Why on earth do you think I would know?
2731 [21:11:37] <boktan> towo` can i ask you why remove the last option from xorg.conf?
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2733 [21:11:52] <RoyK> revolutionary: no reason to do so - just keep the old one
2734 [21:11:53] <greycat> Here, I'll pick a name for you: walter.
2735 [21:11:58] <towo`> boktan, forget to copy
2736 [21:12:09] <greycat> You should name your interface walter.
2737 [21:12:22] <towo`> boktan, if you want help more often, don't use pastebin.com
2738 [21:12:24] <revolutionary> greycat: that page is too complex
2739 [21:12:45] <revolutionary> can you tell me the easiest way to change that and make permanent
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2741 [21:13:12] <RoyK> revolutionary: the page says "reconfigure udev to do so" - just do so
2742 [21:13:30] <greycat> Or leave things as they are.
2743 [21:13:38] <RoyK> greycat++
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2745 [21:13:50] <boktan> towo` okay thank you i also need to add one line below bus id thats all right?
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2747 [21:14:03] <towo`> boktan, exact
2748 [21:14:03] <boktan> which is Option "Interactive" "False"
2749 [21:14:09] <boktan> okay thank you very much
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2754 [21:15:36] <boktan> towo`its worked thank you so much again
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2770 [21:26:15] <revolutionary> that webpage is not supported on Buster
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2772 [21:26:26] <revolutionary> how can i change my WIFI's interface name?
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2774 [21:26:51] <Ankman> revolutionary: if the provider allows this
2775 [21:27:11] <revolutionary> Ankman: i am using Buster and i wanna change that
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2778 [21:27:19] <somiaj> revolutionary: what do you want to change it to?
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2780 [21:27:29] <Ankman> umm, you're not talking about your wifi router?
2781 [21:27:41] <somiaj> revolutionary: like do you want to go back to the old system, wlan0 or something like that, or use something particular?
2782 [21:27:41] <revolutionary> somiaj: it is using it's mac address
2783 [21:27:50] <revolutionary> wlan0
2784 [21:28:07] <Ankman> if you use hostapd on linux you can
2785 [21:28:22] <Aebian> hey, short question, I have a IPsec vpn on eth0 that creates a own ip on the adapter, 10.1.6.25/32 can I somehow force all outbound traffic over this ip instead of the default ip of eth0? version is latest buster
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2787 [21:28:37] <Ankman> ooooh, you want to change wlan0 into something different?
2788 [21:28:55] <revolutionary> no i wanna change to wlan0 from wlx8398493874
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2791 [21:29:19] <greycat> It's actually wlx90f6520ea30b. They can't even paste it correctly.
2792 [21:29:33] <somiaj> revolutionary: replaced-url
2793 [21:29:45] <somiaj> replaced-url
2794 [21:30:07] <annadane> has science gone too far?
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2798 [21:31:27] <somiaj> in that page, example 2 shows how to assign a specific name to a mac address
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2800 [21:32:37] <Ankman> revolutionary: stackexchange mentions "ip link set wlx8398493874 name wlan0"
2801 [21:32:53] <greycat> Ankman: that is not a permanent change
2802 [21:32:57] <somiaj> Ankman: probably not that useful of a solution if they want it set that way each time.
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2804 [21:32:58] <Ankman> this is not permanent. might use this command in /etc/rc.local
2805 [21:33:15] <greycat> Ankman: that's not the correct approach
2806 [21:33:17] <somiaj> rc.local is also not the best place to do that, just make a systemd .link unit as per the links I psated.
2807 [21:33:18] <revolutionary> greycat knows but not talking
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2809 [21:33:26] <Ankman> ok
2810 [21:33:28] <somiaj> revolutionary: I gave you a link that even provides an example
2811 [21:33:32] <greycat> revolutionary: you have been given TWO pages that say how to do it.
2812 [21:33:50] <revolutionary> what should i write for file name for that link?
2813 [21:33:57] <greycat> *plonk*
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2815 [21:34:42] <Ankman> first plonk i've seen in irc
2816 [21:34:51] <annadane> oh boy are you new.
2817 [21:35:09] <Ankman> not really. saw it a lot in the usenet though
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2821 [21:35:28] <revolutionary> btw my /etc/systemd/network/ folder is empty
2822 [21:35:29] <Ankman> using irc since the late 1990s
2823 [21:36:04] <somiaj> revolutionary: by default it will be, because the adminstrator has not put any custom .link units in there.
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2825 [21:36:16] <somiaj> it won't be empty once you add a .link unit for your interface
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2827 [21:36:50] <revolutionary> how can i prevent my computer for hibernation and suspend? When i close the lid it is entering suspend/hibernation and i can't turn on again
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2829 [21:39:49] <somiaj> revolutionary: yes, there is a way to do this in /etc/systemd/logind.conf, you need to have HandleLidSwitch=ignore
2830 [21:39:52] <somiaj> replaced-url
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2842 [21:43:06] <teclo-> evening, I am a regular user of Debian GNU/Linux and I did a clean install of Debian 10.1 on my server, I got a question... I've got my start_firewall.sh script that sets up NAT and firewall. I've been told to put a symlink to that script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d so it is started at boot time. But at boot time, it does not start ! Where should I link to my firewall script ?
2843 [21:44:02] <Wulf> teclo-: you can create a systemd unit
2844 [21:44:13] <whislock> teclo-: There are utilities that can manage the firewall for you. It might make your life considerably easier.
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2847 [21:44:22] <greycat> teclo-: interfaces(5) says the scripts in that directory are run by run-parts(8), so they have to follow the naming requirements of run-parts.
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2849 [21:44:36] <teclo-> greycat: ah, that I didn't know
2850 [21:44:47] <Wulf> whislock: I write my own firewall configs too. I know what I'm doing and I don't want to be restricted by some tool.
2851 [21:45:21] <whislock> Wulf: I also know what I'm doing. To absurd degrees. It's not restricting at all. Anything you can do in iptables, you can do in several tools.
2852 [21:45:34] <whislock> Without the annoyance of managing iptables rules manually.
2853 [21:45:48] <teclo-> whislock: yes but my script is written and it works... in particular my script does echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward .... not sure the firewall tools can do t hat
2854 [21:46:08] * Ankman doesn't have any firewall rules other blocking some "bad" pings
2855 [21:46:19] <Wulf> whislock: to be honest, I never really looked at those tools (ufw etc.). But I can't imagine how they allow full flexibility without adding any restrictions
2856 [21:46:32] <whislock> Wulf: Well, they do. /shrug
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2858 [21:46:52] <whislock> teclo-: Forwarding isn't a firewall function, so that's an odd place to put that. /etc/sysctl.d exists for a reason.
2859 [21:46:55] * teclo- reads the run-parts (8) manpage
2860 [21:46:56] <Ankman> in my opinion Linux doesn't need a firewall. you can bind most services to a device
2861 [21:47:08] <whislock> Ankman: EVERYTHING needs a firewall.
2862 [21:47:24] <Ankman> like my CUPS only listens to 127.0.0.1
2863 [21:47:24] <Wulf> Ankman: in theory you're right. In practice it's better to have multiple safeguards.
2864 [21:47:26] <teclo-> whislock: yes forwarding isn't a firwall function, but you need to enable it
2865 [21:47:41] <whislock> teclo-: Again, /etc/sysctl.d exists for that reason.
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2867 [21:47:47] <teclo-> Ankman: ah you don't need a firewall for that ;) .... you can tell CUPS to listen only to 127.0.0.1
2868 [21:48:00] <whislock> Doesn't mean you shouldn't be running a firewall on the host anyway.
2869 [21:48:32] <Wulf> Ankman: what you should really have, at least on servers, is a firewall blocking *outgoing* traffic.
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2878 [21:51:37] <Ankman> have no package filter since decades and no problem with it
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2880 [21:51:43] <livebrain> hi ppl, i want to rip to mp3 some audio cds, can you guys give me the name of a good program ? with the hability to name the tracks accordingly to the authorname ? cddba ?
2881 [21:51:54] <greycat> I use abcde.
2882 [21:51:55] <whislock> Ankman: Then you've been doing it wrong for decades. Don't know what else to tell you.
2883 [21:52:26] <Ankman> whislock: i never had a problem. nothing i'm doing wrong
2884 [21:52:34] <Ankman> livebrain: brassero
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2886 [21:53:16] <annadane> joke
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2889 [21:53:35] <Wulf> livebrain: mp3 is quite outdated. Can you use more recent formats?
2890 [21:54:09] <greycat> It may still be the best pick for some hardware players.
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2892 [21:54:17] <livebrain> isnt mp3 the most used format outhere ?
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2894 [21:54:22] <greycat> Totally dpends on what you plan to do with the files.
2895 [21:54:23] <Ankman> Wulf: if his files are mp3 he should not recode them to m4a or something because he'll lose quality
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2897 [21:54:43] <greycat> Ankman: they literally just said they're ripping audio CDs
2898 [21:54:47] <livebrain> im doing it for a DJ friend that he wants to convert some of his cds to mp3 to use in some dj tool thingy
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2900 [21:54:59] <Ankman> oh ripping, okay
2901 [21:55:09] <Ankman> then use m4a or ogg
2902 [21:55:15] <greycat> *sigh*
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2904 [21:55:35] <greycat> Good job not listening to anything they're saying.
2905 [21:55:37] <Wulf> livebrain: ask your DJ friend which format and settings he prefers.
2906 [21:56:05] <somiaj> livebrain: I would double check wht format's their 'dj tool thingy' supports. I know some djs won't want mp3s, because of quality (they prefer losses codecs like flac)
2907 [21:56:16] <wasamasa> Yeah, DJs like to work with lossless formats
2908 [21:56:36] <somiaj> livebrain: but if they want mp3, then I would make them into mp3, not some other format you think is better. Though might be worth investigating what format is the standard to use.
2909 [21:56:52] <livebrain> i will ask him, thanks for the info guys
2910 [21:56:58] <wasamasa> Some software like serrato doesn't accept anything else
2911 [21:57:07] <Wulf> livebrain: lossless ripping can be done with cdparanoia, but I think that tool isn't too good with meta data
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2913 [21:57:29] <greycat> usually you use a wrapper around cdparanoia, that does the metadata lookups
2914 [21:57:33] <wasamasa> I like using beets for tagging
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2916 [21:57:55] <Ankman> you can use apps like easytag to edit meta data after ripping
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2919 [21:58:36] <somiaj> I didn't think CDs have metadata, but some lookup wrapper is needed.
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2923 [21:59:50] <greycat> A straight "red book" CD does not have any metadata on it. CDDB applications make a hash out of the number and duration of the tracks, and then index the CDDB database by that hash. But some of the newer CDs have metadata. I don't know the details, but I've seen at least two different styles.
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2928 [22:01:35] <Ankman> when i was ripping CDs back in the day (hooray bladeencode ;-) into mp3 i used mp3tag to add an id2 header. not recommended today as better tools should be available
2929 [22:02:31] <somiaj> Ankman: and as greycat mentioned, the app used CDDB to look up info about the album to add the meta data. I wrote a script for this too. I was just surprised that newer CDs actually come with meta data (for some reason I thought the original format didn't allow this)
2930 [22:02:50] <ratrace> replaced-url
2931 [22:02:54] <Ankman> ok
2932 [22:02:56] <ratrace> Oops, meant that for -offtopic
2933 [22:02:57] <greycat> I've been using abcde for a long time. The CDDB stuff has changed, after the original CDDB folks absconded with the user-supplied data and made it proprietary.
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2935 [22:03:08] <teclo-> greycat: yep, you were right :) ... run-parts didn't like that the script had ".sh" at the end of the file name
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2937 [22:03:53] <greycat> somiaj: my car's player shows CD metadata on an LCD screen
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2940 [22:04:45] <greycat> The car's screen has three fields for Album, Title, Artist. Some CDs put values in all 3 fields. Some merge the title and artist into one field.
2941 [22:04:47] <Wulf> teclo-: you shouldn't add extensions to script anyway. Just make them executable.
2942 [22:05:03] <Wulf> teclo-: the language a script is programmed in is stated in the shebang.
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2971 [22:17:37] <teclo-> Wulf: I know, I know... extensions are for DOS and W*ndows
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2975 [22:19:12] <ratrace> wut
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2977 [22:19:25] <annadane> language, please
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2982 [22:21:43] <revolutionary> hi all. i have a WIFI problem on Buster. I was using pci card and removed that. Now i plugged external wifi usb adapter. I can see the WIFI names but i can't connect. It stuck at "configuring interface" step. I found a temp solution. edited /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf and added [device] wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=0 but this time it is taking random MAC addresses but i don't want to this because i am using MAC address
2983 [22:21:44] <revolutionary> filtering
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2988 [22:25:31] <Ankman> revolutionary: try to change wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=0 to wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=1
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