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• 7[00:03:16] <ryouma> karlpinc: what did you want me to look at there? in reality i have 2 problems. (1) i want to do as described (i.e. programmatically run dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc with a defined answer to the question of which drive to install to) and (2) stretchf or some reason is throwing up whiptail ansi sequences in a dumb terminal.
• 8[00:03:26] <ryouma> i.e. which part of man page?
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• 12[00:04:50] <karlpinc> ryouma: I'm not paying close attention to you but IIRC at least one of your questions is addressed by the part of the docs that describe the "front end" choice, which includes some sort of "none" for automatic configuration.
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• 14[00:06:52] <karlpinc> ryouma: "dumb terminals" accept ansi sequences. Which sequences are sent depends on your TERM env var, and the associated termcap entry. You may need to set the right terminal type.
• 15[00:06:54] <cinesc> hi there
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• 18[00:07:02] <karlpinc> !ask
• 19[00:07:02] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 20[00:07:44] <ryouma> karlpinc: yeah i use the frontend that isn't supposed to be a tui but just plain text. and term is set to dumb. literally. it is emacs shell mode.
• 21[00:07:50] <ryouma> (comint, not terminal)
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• 24[00:09:16] <ryouma> lol at "Deb‐ conf's author prefers to not comment regarding the circumstances that led to this frontend being written."
• 25[00:09:24] <karlpinc> ryouma: Who knows what kind of terminal emacs thinks it is. (Probably gets it from the shell that invokes it, normally.) Anyway, thought I could help by sending pointers your way.
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• 28[00:09:58] <cinesc> is the commands for raspian the same as in usual debian?
• 29[00:10:05] <karlpinc> !raspian
• 30[00:10:06] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 31[00:10:23] <cinesc> thank you
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• 33[00:10:30] <karlpinc> cinesc: We don't know raspian. A whole lot-o-linux is the same, until it's not.
• 34[00:10:35] <karx> cinesc mostly
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• 41[00:16:31] <crestfallen> cirilos:
• 42[00:17:06] <ryouma> karlpinc: actually i think that dpkg-reconfigure should read TERM and figure out that it should NOT use whuiptail or whatever. it should drop down to noninteractive. previous versions of debian did this. but i will try --debian-frontend. but that still does not solve the problem of programmatically running dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc. even if it were ok to do it manually, the noninteractive frontend lacks any indi
• 43[00:17:06] <ryouma> cation of what the default setting is, unlike the tui.
• 44[00:17:16] <crestfallen> thanks kindly I'm getting this error: invalid prefix for given prefix length. let me paste the output...
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• 47[00:17:37] <ryouma> karlpinc: it's a dumb terminal that can do ansi colors and curl updates and stuff but not much more
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• 50[00:19:26] <crestfallen> cirilos: I double-checked the ip and router nums replaced-url
• 51[00:19:32] <karlpinc> ryouma: FWIW, man dpkg-reconfigure says to use debconf-show to see the "current configuration".
• 52[00:20:28] <cirilos> crestfallen, `ip route <IP>/25 via <GW>/25`
• 53[00:20:54] <karlpinc> ryouma: You might consider working with buster, just because sooner or later you'll need to upgrade and maybe some of your problems are already resolved.
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• 56[00:21:58] <crestfallen> cirilos: to be sure, is that 'ip route add ...' or should I drop the 'add' ?
• 57[00:22:13] <cirilos> crestfallen, `ip route add <IP>/25 via <GW>/25` sorry
• 58[00:22:22] <crestfallen> excellent thanks!
• 59[00:22:44] <cirilos> crestfallen, this is temporary
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• 63[00:23:15] <cirilos> crestfallen, it will not preserve on reboot
• 64[00:23:43] <crestfallen> ok hopfully you can walk me through it . those debian pages are pretty intimidating
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• 67[00:24:01] <cirilos> crestfallen, no they are not!
• 68[00:24:44] <crestfallen> pls stand by if you have time
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• 79[00:32:38] <crestfallen> cirilos: Error: Inet address is expected rather than "128.32.176.120/25"
• 80[00:33:01] <`w> Do you add a path to .bashrc or .profile?
• 81[00:33:09] <crestfallen> correction "128.32.176.129/25"
• 82[00:33:29] <karx> `w, what do you mean by path?
• 83[00:33:30] <ryouma> karlpinc: yes, as i wrote, debconf-show will show it. but that's not the same as doing programmatically what dpkg-reconfigure does. i should upgrade to buster, but it is an intimidating dist-upgrade with various things youh ave to do and check.
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• 86[00:34:21] <jhutchins> ,v checksvc
• 87[00:34:22] <judd> No package named 'checksvc' was found in amd64.
• 88[00:34:41] <jhutchins> ,v chkservice
• 89[00:34:42] <judd> Package: chkservice on amd64 -- buster: 0.1-3; bullseye: 0.1-3+b1; sid: 0.1-3+b1
• 90[00:35:02] <jhutchins> systemd compatible replacement for chkconfig
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• 92[00:35:28] <`w> karx, path to a binary I'm guessing. I have a go installation and the command go does nothing, github says to export GOPATH in your .bash_profile except my installation has none. I have a .bashrc and .profile.
• 93[00:36:18] <crestfallen> the tech guy where I work called it 'router 128.32.176.129' not gateway. Am I entering the right number cirilos ?
• 94[00:37:01] <crestfallen> ok it must be right
• 95[00:37:54] <`w> karx, .profile did nothing I'm assuming it.s .bashrc.
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• 97[00:38:40] <karx> `w, .bash_profile and .bashrc are specific to bash, whereas .profile is read by many shells in the absence of their own shell-specific config files. If you need to set a variable as your Go installation path, you could put it in .bashrc - but be sure to backup your .bashrc first!
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• 101[00:39:36] <crestfallen> I mean it must be the router (gw) number .. this is what I did to get that error '$ ip route add 128.32.176.159/25 via 128.32.176.129/25'
• 102[00:40:12] <crestfallen> Error: Inet address is expected rather than "128.32.176.129/25"
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• 111[00:44:00] <cirilos> crestfallen, try `ip route add 128.32.176.129/25 dev eno1`
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• 113[00:44:13] <karx> `w, any luck yet?
• 114[00:44:32] <crestfallen> ok thanks
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• 117[00:48:00] <`w> karx, yeah I got it. thanks for the explanation.
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• 121[00:49:42] <crestfallen> `ip route add 128.32.176.129/25 dev eno1` > Error: invalid prefix for give prefix length << sorry cirilos the same error as earlier.. :(
• 122[00:49:58] <crestfallen> given*
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• 125[00:51:25] <crestfallen> what is going on what a disaster
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• 132[00:56:28] <Habbie> crestfallen, a /25 network ends in .0 or .128, not .129
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• 134[00:56:42] <Habbie> crestfallen, in your case, i bet it's .128 :)
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• 138[00:57:50] <crestfallen> cirilos: Habbie my mask is apparently 255.255.255.128
• 139[00:57:55] <crestfallen> the router as well?
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• 141[00:58:37] <Habbie> crestfallen, that mask matches /25
• 142[00:58:46] <cirilos> Habbie, so it would be like `ip route add 128.32.176.128/25 via 128.32.176.129` ??
• 143[00:58:58] <crestfallen> there's another issue. I think $ route -n returned 'command not found'
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• 145[00:59:08] <Habbie> crestfallen, that's okay, 'ip route' can do all you need
• 146[00:59:13] <Habbie> cirilos, probably
• 147[00:59:14] <crestfallen> ok
• 148[00:59:46] <crestfallen> but Habbie that ends with 129 above ..
• 149[00:59:54] <Habbie> hmm?
• 150[01:00:18] <crestfallen> you said it probably ends in 128 (re: to what cirilos just posted)
• 151[01:00:25] <Habbie> the network, not the via
• 152[01:00:28] <cirilos> crestfallen, just try it and see, its not the end of the world
• 153[01:00:42] <crestfallen> try what? you mean the 128 ?
• 154[01:00:50] <Habbie> i'm off, good luck
• 155[01:00:57] <cirilos> lol
• 156[01:01:00] <crestfallen> with or without dev eno1 ?
• 157[01:01:15] <crestfallen> no Habbie please stay I'll buy you ice cream
• 158[01:01:27] <crestfallen> I'm having a hell of a time.
• 159[01:01:29] <cirilos> crestfallen, what Habbie says is like `ip route add <Network>/24 via <GW-IP>
• 160[01:01:58] <crestfallen> ok trying it thanks!
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• 167[01:05:15] <BlackFerdyPT> does anyone know how to remove the "en_US" spell checking dictionary from Firefox? I've tried everything - removing corresponding hunspell, aspell, myspell, "wamerican" dictionaries - and, it doesn't go away...
• 168[01:05:46] <jundran> I'm thinking about trying Hyperbola but I have an Nvidia card and need to be able to install the propriety drivers. I assume I can just download and build the package from the Arch repo through its website? I would like a foss OS but the ability to explicitly install propriety packages when I need to. At least this was I know what non-free code is on my system.
• 169[01:05:57] <karx> BlackFerdyPT, that sounds like a firefox thing and not a debian thing.
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• 171[01:06:29] <slackjeff> Hello! Sharing with you a program I created called (Hack TUITE) a minimalist, decentralized and static microblog!
• 172[01:06:32] <slackjeff> Created in bash shell.
• 173[01:06:34] <slackjeff> Github:
• 174[01:06:40] <slackjeff> replaced-url
• 175[01:06:49] <BlackFerdyPT> karx, maybe... I have the impression it didn't happen before. and, it definitely is there (i've check for specifically american words)
• 176[01:07:13] <crestfallen> cirilos: what do you mean by <GW-IP> ? does that mean without the /25 or /24 ?
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• 178[01:07:56] <karx> BlackFerdyPT, try searching for the solution from a Firefox standpoint and see where that gets you.
• 179[01:09:43] <BlackFerdyPT> karx, i've tried that already, and people say to remove dictionaries at /usr/share/hunspell/ - which I did, using synaptic, and it doesn't solve issue. seems to be hardcoded into firefox?
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• 181[01:10:32] <BlackFerdyPT> karx, (thunderbird doesn't have this problem. only dictionaries i want are shown)
• 182[01:11:01] <cirilos> crestfallen, try `ip route add 128.32.176.128/25 via 128.32.176.129`
• 183[01:11:19] <BlackFerdyPT> karx, it must be some firefox bug, then. thank you for your help
• 184[01:11:57] <crestfallen> ok thanks no dev eno1 then...
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• 186[01:12:18] <BlackFerdyPT> i was just wondering if anyone else has tried this, with no results also?...
• 187[01:12:32] <cirilos> crestfallen, where `128.32.176.128/25` donates your network-id and `128.32.176.129` your gateway address
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• 191[01:13:17] <crestfallen> yeah but happy said /24 right? im confused cirilos
• 192[01:13:23] <cirilos> crestfallen, the same thing can be achieved with `ip route add 128.32.176.129 dev eno1`, if the network is correctly setup in that device (`ip a`)
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• 196[01:15:11] <BlackFerdyPT> karx, and all, I've just found out there's a firefox channel here, on freenode. I'll ask there, instead
• 197[01:15:31] <BlackFerdyPT> karx, thanks again for your help
• 198[01:15:35] <BlackFerdyPT> bye all
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• 242[01:51:04] <doughy> I have a question about encrypting a file being edited in vi
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• 245[01:54:03] <karx> doughy, we can't help you unless you actually ask the question
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• 248[01:54:18] <doughy> I didn't know if anyone was here
• 249[01:54:21] <doughy> talking that is
• 250[01:54:35] <doughy> ok my quetion is I accidentally encrypted a file I was editing in vi
• 251[01:54:47] <doughy> so when I try to compile it it gives me a bunch of garbage
• 252[01:55:22] <doughy> I even piped the source code file from cat to a new file and try to compile it and still the same result
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• 263[01:59:01] <crestfallen> hi again I'm worried that my nm-connection-editor settings are wrong. I was told my netmask number translates to /24 and not /25. so I've been doing various commands as following:
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• 265[01:59:45] <crestfallen> $ ip route add <IP>/24 dev eno1 and..
• 266[02:00:10] <crestfallen> $ ip a add <IP>/24
• 267[02:00:31] <doughy> what is the ip address you're trying to set the mask /24 to?
• 268[02:00:40] <doughy> is it a class c address?
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• 270[02:01:17] <crestfallen> doughy thanks let me give you exactly what our sys admin gave me on a handwritten stickie:
• 271[02:01:26] <doughy> ok
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• 273[02:01:40] <crestfallen> 1) 128.32.176.159
• 274[02:01:51] <doughy> that is a class b address I believe
• 275[02:01:53] <crestfallen> 2) mask 255.255.255.128
• 276[02:02:10] <crestfallen> 3) router 128.32.176.129
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• 278[02:02:57] <crestfallen> 4) DNS Servers: 128.32.136.9 128.32.136.12
• 279[02:03:27] <doughy> the subnet mask is incorrect
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• 281[02:03:57] <doughy> if you're using CIDR notation that is not the same as 128
• 282[02:04:10] <doughy> try using /25 as your CIDR address
• 283[02:04:37] <crestfallen> with that alone, I'm trying to set up the network on a new install of buster. I may have screwed up the nm-connection-editor settings in IPv4 or the other settings under ethernet. is it even ethernet?
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• 287[02:04:44] <doughy> your mask is defiantely /25
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• 289[02:05:33] <doughy> it's most likely ethernet
• 290[02:05:44] <crestfallen> ok under General and Ethernet settings in nm-connection-editor I was screwing around. could I have set something incorrectly? doughy
• 291[02:05:56] <doughy> most likely
• 292[02:06:06] <doughy> I'm not even sure what nm-connection-editor is
• 293[02:06:35] <crestfallen> network-manager-gnome returns command not found
• 294[02:06:37] <petn-randall> ratrace: Yes, I used 'fnotifystat -c -i <dir>' to find the PID creating files.
• 295[02:07:15] <crestfallen> doughy could I just get all those settings to default and connect on the cli alone?
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• 297[02:07:30] <crestfallen> having a very hard time..
• 298[02:07:39] <doughy> cli?
• 299[02:07:43] <crestfallen> terminal
• 300[02:07:54] <doughy> I don't know what network you're on
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• 303[02:08:36] <doughy> can you ping any other hosts?
• 304[02:08:49] <crestfallen> this place is a university with a secure network. if that helps
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• 306[02:09:32] <doughy> try pinging a host
• 307[02:09:38] <doughy> that's on the same subnet as you
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• 310[02:11:06] <crestfallen> doughy explain
• 311[02:11:09] <crestfallen> please
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• 314[02:11:49] <crestfallen> I've been trying ping 1.1.1.1 after the various ip route add commands
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• 316[02:12:54] <doughy> what are you trying to do?
• 317[02:13:02] <crestfallen> also btw doughy this is my /etc/network/interfaces file replaced-url
• 318[02:13:02] <doughy> seems to me like you're online and doing fine
• 319[02:13:15] <crestfallen> No I'm on another machine
• 320[02:13:34] <doughy> can you ping a address?
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• 322[02:13:43] <doughy> type: ping linux.org
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• 324[02:14:48] <crestfallen> doughy I need to sleep this mac machine and power up the debian machine in question. it takes a little time..
• 325[02:15:10] <crestfallen> will try a few things if you can stay on a bit..
• 326[02:15:15] <doughy> ok
• 327[02:15:18] <crestfallen> thanks
• 328[02:15:21] <doughy> I'll be here
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• 333[02:20:39] <cirilos> doughy, vi keeps backup at location '.filename.swp' if its still open
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• 335[02:21:14] <doughy> it's been closed
• 336[02:21:48] <cirilos> say bye to that file
• 337[02:21:56] <doughy> I can open it again and read it
• 338[02:22:06] <doughy> I just can't compile
• 339[02:22:13] <doughy> ...the file in question
• 340[02:22:38] <cirilos> you can copy paste into an unencrypted file
• 341[02:22:55] <doughy> I'll try that. I just didnt' want to write all this code out again
• 342[02:23:17] <cirilos> what did you mean 'accidentally encrypted' ??
• 343[02:23:50] <doughy> there's a macro that will get triggered sometimes when I am in a rush saving a file
• 344[02:24:13] <doughy> so this one time I entered passwords for the file to see what it was about and I had this happen
• 345[02:24:30] <cirilos> ok
• 346[02:26:23] <doughy> it's garbage when I open it up in a editor which makes sense
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• 349[02:26:59] <doughy> and the macro triggered was this
• 350[02:27:08] <doughy> when you close a file it's :-x
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• 352[02:27:23] <doughy> and to encrypt the file it's :-X (uppercase)
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• 355[02:29:52] <cirilos> interesting, i didnt know about this
• 356[02:30:18] <cirilos> thanks doughy
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• 359[02:30:35] <doughy> I like the fact you can encrypt a file but how the heck do you compile it?
• 360[02:31:11] <cirilos> gcc cannot understand the encrypted version ofcourse
• 361[02:31:28] <cirilos> you cant encrypt a source-code file
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• 363[02:32:10] <doughy> wb crestfallen
• 364[02:32:21] <crestfallen> doughy sorry I returned your pm cirilos gonna try that next round.
• 365[02:32:27] <crestfallen> hey
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• 370[02:34:41] <crestfallen> doughy in the nm-connection-manager I set the IP, Mask and router addresses to the best of my ability, with the mask at 25. that didn't work, so I deleted that because now I believe that those are static settings. so I set it back to DHCP automatic ...
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• 372[02:35:27] <doughy> can you type: ifconfig -a and tell us what's the address?
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• 376[02:36:19] <doughy> also, are you on a wired ethernet or wap?
• 377[02:37:22] <crestfallen> let me try that doughy It's a hard wire. what's a wap?
• 378[02:37:36] <doughy> wireless access point
• 379[02:37:53] <crestfallen> no its wired
• 380[02:37:57] <doughy> ok
• 381[02:38:09] <crestfallen> doing ifconfig -a now ...
• 382[02:38:12] <doughy> ok
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• 384[02:38:50] <crestfallen> bear in mind I deleted the IPv4 settings and went to DHCP Automatic. is that wrong?
• 385[02:39:03] <crestfallen> doughy
• 386[02:39:18] <doughy> we'll know if dhcp worked or not by the result of the ifconfig -a
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• 388[02:39:28] <crestfallen> ok give me a few..
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• 390[02:41:08] <leden> crestfallen, 2) netmask should be 255.255.255.0
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• 412[03:08:20] <crestfallen> leden oh boy really?
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• 414[03:08:42] <crestfallen> ok this is what I did on that last submarine voyage:
• 415[03:08:50] <crestfallen> doughy cirilos leden
• 416[03:09:35] <crestfallen> I commented out the last line of interfaces: # iface eno1 inet dhcp
• 417[03:09:59] <crestfallen> I set the ipv4 'Method' to manual.
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• 419[03:10:48] <crestfallen> I tried both checking and unchecking the box at bottom: Require ipv4 addressing for this connection to complete
• 420[03:11:53] <crestfallen> here is the output of ip a (ifconfig is not recognized as a command, trying $ inconfig -a )
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• 422[03:12:56] <crestfallen> ip a has output seen in the following paste, which is nearly identical to output of ip address :
• 423[03:13:48] <crestfallen> replaced-url
• 424[03:14:25] <cirilos> so ?
• 425[03:14:40] <cirilos> does it work or not ?
• 426[03:14:55] <crestfallen> no
• 427[03:15:03] <cirilos> dear god
• 428[03:15:11] <crestfallen> holy mother of god
• 429[03:15:41] <crestfallen> does the output of ip a look right?
• 430[03:15:50] <crestfallen> one more thing:
• 431[03:16:21] <crestfallen> under ethernet I think I have cloned MAC address set to Permanent
• 432[03:16:49] <crestfallen> with the selections being: Preserve, Permanent, Random, Stable
• 433[03:17:00] <cirilos> it does
• 434[03:17:14] <cirilos> you mac address is not important
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• 436[03:17:23] <crestfallen> ok also:
• 437[03:17:37] <crestfallen> under General I have Connect Automatically
• 438[03:17:37] <cirilos> you should try to ping someone on the same subnet
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• 440[03:17:49] <cirilos> and someone on the internet, like 1.1.1.1
• 441[03:17:54] <crestfallen> and Metered Connection Automatic
• 442[03:18:04] <cirilos> ^ it doesnt matter
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• 444[03:18:15] <crestfallen> I try that each time $ ping 1.1.1.1
• 445[03:18:32] <cirilos> and does it reply ?
• 446[03:18:55] <crestfallen> No it says no connection each time
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• 448[03:19:02] <crestfallen> or similar
• 449[03:19:27] <crestfallen> what about the output of ip a does that look right?
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• 451[03:19:39] <cirilos> it does
• 452[03:19:57] <cirilos> what about the route gateway ? `ip route`
• 453[03:20:17] <crestfallen> the output of $ nm-connection-editor ipv4 settings just opens the dialog box. oh yeah cirilos: no output to that command
• 454[03:20:28] <crestfallen> ip route
• 455[03:20:33] <crestfallen> zippo
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• 457[03:21:50] <cirilos> that means you didnt set the gateway yet
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• 460[03:22:55] <doughy> can you get anything back from a ping wheather it be a internet address or a LAN address?
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• 462[03:23:23] <cirilos> so it goes back to `ip route add 128.32.176.128/25 via 128.32.176.129`
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• 465[03:23:41] <crestfallen> could we go over exactly what the ip route add ... commands should be? no doughy nothing
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• 467[03:23:54] <crestfallen> ok copy that cirilos
• 468[03:24:09] <cirilos> but you can set it from the gui of NetworkManager, in order to be persistent
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• 472[03:25:46] <crestfallen> you mean under ipv4 right cirilos ? Also there is a button 'Routes' in the ipv4 dialog, after the static settings, which I don't know how to set up.
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• 474[03:26:26] <crestfallen> there is a last field after the address fields, which I don't understand.
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• 476[03:26:45] <crestfallen> in that Routes dialog
• 477[03:26:51] <doughy> you can also use the dhclient command to see if you're getting a dhcp answer
• 478[03:27:27] <crestfallen> but I thought that I would turn off everything dhcp ? including the commented line ?
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• 480[03:27:57] <doughy> just to see if you're getting anything back from the network you're on try using the command dhclient from the root cli
• 481[03:28:48] <doughy> do you have a firewall up?
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• 484[03:30:48] <crestfallen> you know I thought I set up a machine in this office doughy , a while back, but HELL, there may be a firewall.
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• 486[03:31:39] <crestfallen> we could have a good cry together. Is there a way to check that from this mac system?
• 487[03:31:47] <doughy> I dont' use apple
• 488[03:32:17] <doughy> a better way of saying that is I've never used one
• 489[03:32:54] <crestfallen> I have buster at home, study some programming, mac is for THE BIRDS
• 490[03:33:07] <doughy> I'm using buster here
• 491[03:33:11] <doughy> and windows 10
• 492[03:33:25] <crestfallen> anyway I'll try the dhclient command ok?
• 493[03:33:30] <doughy> as root
• 494[03:33:47] <doughy> if you don't have the command you might want to do apt install dhclient
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• 496[03:34:04] <crestfallen> ok one sec.. no I can't you know? I can't get online
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• 498[03:34:21] <doughy> I'm not sure what you mean
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• 500[03:34:40] <ryouma> this does not ask me where to install grub to. why? i am in a chroot. dpkg-reconfigure -phigh -fnoninteractive grub-pc
• 501[03:34:46] <metbsd> clonezilla can clone entire debian os?
• 502[03:34:46] <crestfallen> the machine in question is the one we are trying to connect. that's the linux machine
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• 505[03:35:01] <metbsd> i have a perfect setup and want to clone whole thing incase
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• 507[03:35:12] <crestfallen> doughy: ^
• 508[03:35:14] <doughy> ok
• 509[03:35:36] <crestfallen> one sec going underground again...
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• 533[04:01:14] <crestfallen> THANKS SO MUCH EVERYONE FOR HELPING .. I rebooted and was connected. Also I did a full power-down and restarted so it is persistent
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• 543[04:11:33] <crestfallen> dvs I caught you. finally got booted up and connected. spent 9 hours total. thanks for all the help the last few days
• 544[04:12:03] <ryouma> metbsd: i don't think there is anything out there to copy a live running system to a drive. i have written one for myself that won't transfer to you. my question is related to that coincidentally. to install grub you have to use a chroot. and to make upgrades not install the wrong drive to boot from youh ave to use dpkg-reconfigure, not grub-install. and yet it is not working. and thereis no kown programmatic
• 545[04:12:03] <ryouma> interface to run dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc with the drive to install to, or the current drive.
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• 568[04:40:15] <ryouma> does dpkg-reconfigure -phigh -fnoninteractive grub-pc work on stretch for anybody? i.e. does it asjk you where to install?
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• 570[04:43:38] <dvs> ryouma, how can it ask you for something if you use the -fnoninteractive option?
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• 594[05:04:13] <rue_mohr> cant find the package 'pump' on the 64 bit install, did it change names?
• 595[05:04:29] <rue_mohr> dpkg, search pump
• 596[05:04:29] <dpkg> rue_mohr: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
• 597[05:04:33] <doughy> for dhcp client request?
• 598[05:04:42] <rue_mohr> yes, specifically NOT dhclient
• 599[05:05:01] <rue_mohr> pump works and does a better job of it
• 600[05:05:12] <rue_mohr> dhclient just falls over
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• 602[05:05:28] <doughy> there's probably many versions of dhclient if you searched the apt repository
• 603[05:05:38] <rue_mohr> how about the one called 'pump'
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• 606[05:05:48] <rue_mohr> dpkg pump
• 607[05:05:48] <dpkg> pump is a BOOTP and DHCP client written by RedHat and was the default DHCP client in <potato>. It has issues with lease expiration and passing data to the DHCP server, see <home-dhcp> for example. Install the isc-dhcp-client package instead. See also <dhcp client>.
• 608[05:06:03] <rue_mohr> wtf
• 609[05:06:21] <themill> ,bug rm pump
• 610[05:06:24] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 612[05:06:35] <rue_mohr> ugh
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• 617[05:07:07] <rue_mohr> ok, how the hell do you get dhclient to get a new address for interface eth0 without writing any config files
• 618[05:07:19] <rue_mohr> equiv "pump eth0"
• 619[05:07:21] <doughy> just type dhclient
• 620[05:07:52] <rue_mohr> they better 'ave fixed the issues, like it not registering the machine name with the dhcp server
• 621[05:07:57] <rue_mohr> damnit, pump worked
• 622[05:08:07] <doughy> it should I haven't used pump in years
• 623[05:08:13] <doughy> dhclient works just for me
• 624[05:08:34] <rue_mohr> do you run a local dhcp server that tracks machine names when they get leases?
• 625[05:08:36] <themill> send host-name = gethostname(); ← default for about a decade.
• 626[05:08:57] <rue_mohr> well, it was prolly over 10 years ago I gave up on dhclient
• 627[05:09:51] <rue_mohr> wait dhclient isn't availale either
• 628[05:10:00] <doughy> there's a lot of dhcp clients in the apt repository
• 629[05:10:04] <rue_mohr> wtf do you run to lease an interface commandline
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• 632[05:11:33] <rue_mohr> no there is only isc-dhcp-client
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• 634[05:11:57] <whislock> And that's a good one to use.
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• 641[05:14:22] <rue_mohr> I just hoep it works when I'm alraedy knee deep in other problems
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• 643[05:14:59] <melissa666> Anyone know how to fix this problem with my intel audio? --> replaced-url
• 644[05:15:00] <rue_mohr> there is nothing like having a machine not reconnect cause the dhcp server went down for a few mins
• 645[05:15:34] <n_blownapart> rue_mohr, you're another person to thank. from last night. chatting on my new buster machine. THANK YOU
• 646[05:15:38] <melissa666> I've got no sound ... pulse isn't able to see the card anymore and it looks like the kernel module isn't loading properly
• 647[05:16:03] <n_blownapart> oops .. weird .. my moniker is crestfallen rue_mohr
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• 652[05:17:14] <kadiro> sound like a hardware issue
• 653[05:17:26] <crestfallen> ok. thanks again
• 654[05:17:47] <rue_mohr> crestfallen, did you get it workin?
• 655[05:17:54] <melissa666> kadiro, you talking to me? because yeah, I was concerned about that ... it just started happening randomly (no updates or anything that caused it)
• 656[05:18:15] <kadiro> melissa666, If you try with an older kernel, does that also gives you those errors?
• 657[05:18:19] <rue_mohr> melissa666, pulse is a bloatware layer, try a program that goes directly to alsa
• 658[05:18:23] <crestfallen> yeah it was hell. really appreciate it rue_mohr .. you had your hands full last night with a disturbed soul
• 659[05:18:53] <rue_mohr> crestfallen, sorry I couldn't get there for ya, need net-tools!
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• 661[05:19:07] <melissa666> kadiro, I'll check that out - I haven't tried yet (although like I said, I didn't update the kernel and it's been working for months before this with the same kernel ...)
• 662[05:19:09] <crestfallen> no man it's all good I learned alot
• 663[05:20:55] <rue_mohr> if its of any consolation, I'm still working on the same problem after a reinstall
• 664[05:21:37] <crestfallen> next thing is: when I configured the machine, I defined the root and a user. but if I'm as my regular user, and I sudo apt update, say.. it rejects my root password. how can I go from reg. user to root without using $ su ?
• 665[05:22:39] <rue_mohr> so, if you use 'su' in a console it wont accept the password?
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• 667[05:22:57] <crestfallen> rue_mohr, really? one thing I did was comment out the last line of /etc/network/interfaces
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• 669[05:23:19] <maqr> if i install debian encrypted, does that result in an unencrypted /boot and a luks2 root?
• 670[05:23:25] <crestfallen> no if I do su then it accepts the password.
• 671[05:23:41] <rue_mohr> ok after su you ARE root
• 672[05:23:51] <rue_mohr> anything you do does not need sudo cause your already root
• 673[05:24:24] <crestfallen> but john $ sudo apt-get update does not accept the root password. shouldn't that be asking for the root?
• 674[05:24:33] <rue_mohr> if your unsure, use the command whoami
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• 676[05:24:48] <rue_mohr> not if you ARE root already
• 677[05:24:52] <rue_mohr> aka if you ran su
• 678[05:25:27] <whislock> crestfallen: No. sudo, in its default configuration, is asking for the password of the user entering the command. I.e. your user, not root.
• 679[05:25:40] <rue_mohr> huh
• 680[05:25:54] <crestfallen> right whislock rue_mohr but neither password works with sudo. it's strange
• 681[05:26:11] <rue_mohr> how would apt-get install packages without root permissions tho whislock ?
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• 683[05:26:23] <whislock> rue_mohr: No one ever said it would?
• 684[05:26:25] <rue_mohr> crestfallen, you can also specify
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• 686[05:26:41] <rue_mohr> crestfallen, sudo -u root apt-get install ...
• 687[05:26:50] <whislock> That is redundant.
• 688[05:26:58] <whislock> root is assumed if a user is not specified. That's not going to help.
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• 690[05:27:10] <rue_mohr> then would it not be asking for the root password?
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• 692[05:27:18] <crestfallen> john is just joe user, but john$ sudo apt update will not accept either of my two passwords I set initially
• 693[05:27:20] <rue_mohr> otherwise any user could sudo a command?
• 694[05:27:32] <whislock> Unless you've modified etc/sudoers, it will NEVER ask for the root password.
• 695[05:27:39] <whislock> crestfallen: Did you add your user to the sudo group?
• 696[05:27:55] <whislock> Because if you set a root password during install, your normal user will NOT be in that group.
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• 698[05:28:04] <rue_mohr> whislock, your confusing me
• 699[05:28:07] <crestfallen> whislock, so basic , sorry, no. I did that once about 5 years ago.. how to do that?
• 700[05:28:17] <whislock> crestfallen: 'su -' to root.
• 701[05:28:20] <rue_mohr> sudo runs a program as another user
• 702[05:28:28] <whislock> crestfallen: 'adduser <user> sudo'
• 703[05:28:32] <rue_mohr> the ....
• 704[05:28:39] <crestfallen> got it thanks...
• 705[05:28:50] <whislock> crestfallen: If you aren't in the sudo group, you can't run ANYTHING as sudo. You will be rejected every time.
• 706[05:28:57] <rue_mohr> wait, wait, I'm always root, I'v always sudo'd DOWN so it never asks for a password....
• 707[05:29:08] <whislock> s/as sudo/via sudo/
• 708[05:29:08] <rue_mohr> crestfallen, just run su
• 709[05:29:12] <rue_mohr> -first-
• 710[05:29:15] <rue_mohr> so that your root
• 711[05:29:21] <rue_mohr> then run your commands without sudo
• 712[05:29:34] <whislock> rue_mohr: Please stop spamming him with less useful data.
• 713[05:29:46] <crestfallen> hold up please...
• 714[05:30:11] <crestfallen> I'm as root now, but adduser outputs: adduser: command not found
• 715[05:30:32] <rue_mohr> did you do su or su -
• 716[05:30:43] <rue_mohr> su - resets everything about your identity
• 717[05:30:44] <crestfallen> oh that's a tilde ?
• 718[05:30:49] <rue_mohr> dash
• 719[05:30:59] <crestfallen> ok dash...
• 720[05:31:06] <rue_mohr> it will be as if you logged in a root and were never a different user
• 721[05:31:37] <rue_mohr> but there is a hint of soemthing odd going on
• 722[05:32:33] <whislock> crestfallen: After you add your user to the 'sudo' group, you will have to log out and back in for the group change to take effect.
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• 724[05:33:10] <crestfallen> close the terminal right?
• 725[05:33:18] <rue_mohr> ok, if ncurses is needed to make the kernel, why is it not part of build-dep linux ?????
• 726[05:33:19] <whislock> That would do it.
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• 728[05:33:35] <whislock> rue_mohr: ncurses isn't needed to build the kernel. Only for the ncurses-based configuration editor.
• 729[05:34:02] <rue_mohr> like make menuconfig?
• 730[05:34:28] <whislock> Correct.
• 731[05:34:57] <crestfallen> hell! I closed the term. I got 'john has been added to sudoers'. it's not working . what a day
• 732[05:35:00] <rue_mohr> so everyone directly edits the .config to configure their kernel
• 733[05:35:09] <whislock> crestfallen: Calm.
• 734[05:35:12] <rue_mohr> I didn't see anything ncurses related in suggested
• 735[05:35:22] <whislock> crestfallen: What are you entering, and what is the response?
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• 738[05:36:07] <crestfallen> root# adduser john sudo
• 739[05:36:17] <rue_mohr> nope
• 740[05:36:19] <rue_mohr> heh
• 741[05:36:23] <rue_mohr> descent guess tho
• 742[05:36:26] <crestfallen> The user `john' is already a member of `sudo'.
• 743[05:36:30] <whislock> Okay.
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• 745[05:36:54] <whislock> So open a new terminal as your user, and try something simple. 'sudo apt update' for example.
• 746[05:37:22] <rue_mohr> ? hu
• 747[05:37:32] <themill> If this is a GUI, you probably need to log out and log back in again, rather than just close the terminal emulator
• 748[05:38:40] <crestfallen> $ sudo apt update >> [sudo] password for john:
• 749[05:38:48] <crestfallen> john is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported
• 750[05:38:56] <themill> crestfallen: is this GNOME?
• 751[05:39:00] <crestfallen> yeah
• 752[05:39:01] <whislock> Then themill is right, you'll need to fully log out of your session and log back in.
• 753[05:39:15] <whislock> Or restart the system, in the event that processes will continue as your user in the background.
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• 755[05:40:04] <crestfallen> ok I'll restart. what a day
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• 757[05:40:36] <themill> You can get a single shell with that sudo-ability easily enough, but you'll forget and then...
• 758[05:40:47] <whislock> newgrp, etc.
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• 761[05:42:51] <lembron> is there any clue why "jessie" in docker is so innnsaaaneeelllyyyy slow - where as stretch and buster are just fine? - talkin of "apt-get update" running 40seconds VS 3-10... :/
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• 763[05:44:34] <crestfallen> whislock themill thanks KINDLY the restart did it.
• 764[05:45:01] <whislock> crestfallen: Group membership changes don't take effect until the user is COMPLETELY logged out - as in "no processes running as that user."
• 765[05:45:03] <themill> lembron: jessie is probably getting lots of 301 redirects from deb.debian.org while stretch onwards would be using SRV records.
• 766[05:45:12] <whislock> crestfallen: That's bitten me a few times.
• 767[05:45:33] <crestfallen> thanks so there are like background processes even when you close the term.
• 768[05:45:49] <whislock> When you're logged into a GNOME session, there are a TON.
• 769[05:46:01] <lembron> themill that was my first guess - and ive tried the local ftp. directly as well as going fastly-cdn directly - what goes "from 40 to 35 seconds" :/
• 770[05:46:13] <themill> lembron: ah
• 771[05:46:21] <crestfallen> I see, so there is metaData saying 'john is still logged in'
• 772[05:46:51] <themill> crestfallen: it's not really metadata when there's an X session running as your user
• 773[05:47:11] <crestfallen> ok I was just trying to use big words :)
• 774[05:47:17] <themill> ;)
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• 776[05:47:47] <crestfallen> got it all sussed! now back to learning haskell
• 777[05:48:54] <rue_mohr> heh :)
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• 828[07:07:01] <maqr> if i've installed a package by mistake, but i forget all the dependencies it installed, is there a convenient way to undo it?
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• 830[07:09:11] <maqr> ah, "purge", nevermind :)
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• 835[07:16:52] <crestfallen> hi I'd like to play around with vm's on a buster machine. I guess virtualbox is not available. a few years ago I was trying to get kvm/qemu working. never made it. I wonder if it's any easier to use nowadays..
• 836[07:17:36] <crestfallen> or i.e. what's the most beginner friendly why to set up vm's on debian
• 837[07:17:40] <maqr> crestfallen: i'm about to find out... libvirt seems to be the way to go these days
• 838[07:18:04] <maqr> crestfallen: replaced-url
• 839[07:18:15] <Unit193> Not sure I should mention it, but there *is* replaced-url
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• 841[07:18:36] <maqr> virtualbox is neat software, but it doesn't really work for what i'm trying to do anyway
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• 845[07:19:38] <crestfallen> maqr, Unit193 interesting. .. the kvm stuff is more true to debian and I guess the learning curve is steeper. I had a rough time about 3 years ago when I first installed linux
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• 847[07:20:03] <maqr> crestfallen: there's a libvirt manager that supposedly makes it easy
• 848[07:20:44] <crestfallen> yeah I used that. I bet its easier and a nicer environment now
• 849[07:21:40] <crestfallen> I was using something called vagrant (from hashicorp) to 'spin' vm's , and that used virtualbox. I got those to work
• 850[07:22:25] <crestfallen> something else I read about was proxmox
• 851[07:22:35] <maqr> crestfallen: i just gave up on proxmox and installed debian
• 852[07:23:05] <maqr> crestfallen: it worked great for VMs, couldn't be simpler, but i could not make full disk encryption work no matter how hard i tried to figure it out
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• 854[07:23:47] <maqr> i did learn that thin lvm is a mess to be avoided though
• 855[07:24:16] <crestfallen> full disk? you were trying to encrypt the vm's themselves maqr ?
• 856[07:24:30] <maqr> crestfallen: well, the whole host, but yeah
• 857[07:25:15] <crestfallen> so what is proxmox, you said you replaced it with debian? I'm missing something
• 858[07:25:43] <maqr> crestfallen: proxmox is pretty much debian with vm management stuff in it
• 859[07:26:00] <maqr> but you can also install proxmox on debian if you want, which is my plan b if i can't figure out libvirt
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• 864[07:27:11] <crestfallen> huh, I'm not a programmer at all, I'm just playing around. I'm learning haskell (hard as hell) and like linux stuff
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• 868[07:28:05] <crestfallen> so if you install it on debian, you can encrypt little vm's sitting on your debian system? maqr
• 869[07:28:29] <maqr> crestfallen: no, i don't care about encrypting the vms, i want the host os encrypted
• 870[07:28:39] <maqr> by extension that'll mean the vms are encrypted too though
• 871[07:29:07] <crestfallen> so you have a better shot at encrypting the system using kvm et al?
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• 873[07:29:29] <maqr> crestfallen: no, has nothing to do with that... but debian's installer has a very convenient luks setup built into it, and the proxmox installer doesn't
• 874[07:29:55] <crestfallen> hmm, luks ? sorry this is new..
• 875[07:30:34] <maqr> yeah, luks is the disk encryption suite
• 876[07:30:41] <crestfallen> I see its a partition thing
• 877[07:31:28] <crestfallen> interesting, so encrypt a designated partition. I guess you do that on the install of a new debian os
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• 879[07:32:02] <maqr> yeah, pretty much, /boot remains unencrypted but that's solvable in a number of other ways
• 880[07:33:18] <crestfallen> interesting , I'll save the log of our chat and look this stuff up. that's great if you can encrypt a partition and run vm's, who needs tails and tor and that stuff, right maqr ?
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• 883[07:33:48] <maqr> crestfallen: well those are important projects in their own right, i'm just trying to run a home server with full disk encryption and a few VMs, nothing fancy
• 884[07:34:29] <crestfallen> cool that's inspiring in any case. so learning kvm will keep you busy ;)
• 885[07:35:08] <maqr> hopefully not, it should be quick
• 886[07:35:25] <crestfallen> and that proxmox is dead easy is also inspiring, just for creating vm's
• 887[07:35:52] <maqr> yeah, i'm still open to installing that on debian, but it's probably more than i need if i can get pfsense to run properly in libvirt
• 888[07:36:10] <crestfallen> pfsense ?
• 889[07:36:36] <maqr> it's a popular router bsd distribution, worth knowing about
• 890[07:37:27] <crestfallen> that's so cool. reading wikipedia
• 891[07:37:43] <crestfallen> I know bsd is not for the weak hearted
• 892[07:38:37] <maqr> pfsense is pretty neatly done, you can know pretty much nothing about bsd and still make use of it
• 893[07:38:55] <maqr> i think there's a linux project that does something similar called ipfire, but i haven't used it
• 894[07:40:46] <crestfallen> yeah reading a comparison: ipfirewall
• 895[07:41:18] <crestfallen> maqr, are you interested in blockchain stuff?
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• 897[07:41:40] <maqr> not really, there's not much to know until people start using it
• 898[07:41:59] <crestfallen> I'm just a dabbler.
• 899[07:42:29] <crestfallen> thanks definitely going to spend a day based on our chat.
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• 901[07:42:54] <maqr> i'm hoping i'll have this set up in less than a day :P
• 902[07:44:13] <crestfallen> I mean just reading.. I hope you get great results with kvm et al
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• 904[07:46:28] <maqr> heh, thanks, me too
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• 916[08:06:58] <poet> Hello, would someone please tell me how I'd go about fixing this error: "error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.1.0.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
• 917[08:07:29] <poet> I'm not sure which package to install.
• 918[08:07:35] <maqr> sounds like you're missing openssl
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• 920[08:08:26] <poet> maqr: Should I try to download that through apt-get?
• 921[08:08:37] <maqr> poet: maybe? what gave you the error?
• 922[08:09:24] <poet> maqr: I downloaded an astronomy program called SAOImageDS9. When I tried to run it, I got that error.
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• 924[08:10:15] <poet> Just now: "openssl is already the newest version (1.1.1d-0+deb10u2)."
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• 926[08:11:11] <maqr> poet: yeah you have 1.1.1 and it wants 1.0.2... but you should see if that software has a debian package to handle the dependencies for you
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• 929[08:11:38] <maqr> poet: i guess you can install libssl1.0.2
• 930[08:11:44] <maqr> looks like there's a package for that
• 931[08:12:23] <poet> maqr: I used the link provided. Their package is for Debian 9. I'm on Debian 10.
• 932[08:12:45] <poet> maqr: I also tried building from source, but that was a failure as well. =(
• 933[08:12:51] <maqr> poet: i'd probably try installing it anyway, but i'm no expert on dpkg
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• 935[08:13:33] <poet> maqr: Okay I will give it a go. Thank you for your help. =)
• 936[08:13:47] <maqr> you might be able to get libssl1.0.2 from stretch to install somehow also?
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• 938[08:13:59] <maqr> in theory multiple libssl versions should be able to coexist
• 939[08:15:04] <poet> I was thinking that might have to be my next step... actually downgrading openssl.
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• 941[08:15:19] <maqr> poet: you wouldn't downgrade it, you'd just install libssl1.0.2
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• 943[08:15:42] <poet> Oh, they'd coexist seperately then?
• 944[08:16:01] <maqr> poet: yeah, that's why the version number is in the filename
• 945[08:16:17] <poet> maqr: Ahh okay, gotcha!
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• 954[08:25:57] <melissa666> Anyone know how to fix this problem with my intel audio? --> replaced-url
• 955[08:26:00] <melissa666> I've got no sound ... pulse isn't able to see the card anymore and it looks like the kernel module isn't loading properly
• 956[08:26:42] <melissa666> I'm worried it might be a faulty sound card or something because it just started happening randomly (I didn't update kernel or anything, and the sound has been working fine for months)
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• 966[08:33:16] <Wulf> melissa666: never seen that one. I think "faulty sound card" is a reasonable assumption
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• 972[08:35:31] <melissa666> Wulf, I am not very knowledgable about hardware, so forgive me if this is a stupid question, but is it possible to damage a sound card by "overworking" it? I have had this laptop for a year with no problems, and then when I hooked up my midi keyboard and hooked up a bunch of separate instruments simultaneously, I'm wondering if having 10+ audio streams playing at once could damage the hardware or something?
• 973[08:36:05] <melissa666> just trying to understand why it randomly gave out ... playing with the midi keyboard (no new packages installed though) is the only thing I was doing different lately
• 974[08:37:50] <maqr> melissa666: there's a bunch of results on google in the last few days with errors that look very similar... you sure you haven't changed anything?
• 975[08:38:43] <Wulf> melissa666: it's usually not possible to damage hardware through software. But when you connected other hardware (midi stuff) directly to your soundcard, perhaps that caused it.
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• 977[08:39:03] <melissa666> maqr - yeah, I tried an update after the problem started occuring to see if it would fix it, but before the sound went out I had been playing with the keyboard for a week or two and hadn't done any updates ...
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• 979[08:39:32] <melissa666> maqr, do you have an example link for a bug report or something?
• 980[08:39:45] <Wulf> melissa666: try booting from some live images
• 981[08:39:47] <maqr> melissa666: hmm, weird, Wulf is right though, it's very unlikely you broke anything with software, and it's plausible that the midi port could fry hardware if you hooked up something weird to it
• 982[08:40:15] <maqr> melissa666: replaced-url
• 983[08:40:16] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 986[08:42:30] <maqr> well, libvirt booted pfsense on the first try, so that's a good sign
• 987[08:43:33] <melissa666> maqr, hmmm thanks ... I'm not sure why I just started having the error (I didn't do a kernel update) ... but it looks like it's been fixed in kernel 5.3.9 so I just need to update to newer kernel.
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• 992[08:44:36] <melissa666> true, I'll try that first. thanks again y'all
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• 1105[10:10:31] <ratrace> petn-randall: oh, great, thanks!
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• 1117[10:17:05] <mtcdood> I have a cron job that has tons of if statements and I'm wondering if there's a better way to do what I'm doing
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• 1119[10:17:22] <mtcdood> I'm testing whether or not the directories and files the script needs exist and are readable
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• 1121[10:18:15] <mtcdood> is there a better way to do this than one `if [[ ! -d foo]]; then exit 1` or `if [[ ! -f bar ]]; then exit 1` per directory or file?
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• 1126[10:21:50] <ratrace> mtcdood: yea, [ is basically a command with an exit code. you can do stuff like [ ! -d foo ] && do_something_when_foo_is_missing
• 1127[10:22:11] <mtcdood> isn't that the same thing?
• 1128[10:22:11] <ratrace> %s/command/executable/
• 1129[10:22:20] <ratrace> it is but it's shorter, less noise
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• 1132[10:22:31] <mtcdood> so just easier to read in code?
• 1133[10:22:38] <mtcdood> which is still a goal
• 1134[10:22:39] <ratrace> I mean... assuming you do want to do that. do something IF a dir does or does not exist
• 1135[10:22:57] <ratrace> how about give actual example of what you want to achieve?
• 1136[10:23:05] <mtcdood> but my primary concern is not being inefficient without actually changing to a different programming language yet
• 1137[10:23:09] <mtcdood> one sec
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• 1139[10:23:35] <ratrace> personally I'd stick all the program logic into a script and then I'd just call that script from the crontab
• 1140[10:24:24] <Wulf> mtcdood: I wouldn't write complex programs in shell. Rewrite this in a proper programming language and call the program from crontab.
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• 1143[10:24:43] <mtcdood> yeah I can totally do that
• 1144[10:25:02] <mtcdood> then I can wait a month before I replace my duct tape and dental floss bash script with a good Python script
• 1145[10:25:10] <ratrace> testing if a dir or file exist and then running something IS shell scripting job though. but again, it all depends on WHAT needs to be achieved
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• 1148[10:25:24] <mtcdood> instead of waiting a day before I replace my duct tape and dental floss bash script with a adequate bash script, and focus on moving to Python later
• 1149[10:25:56] <mtcdood> replaced-url
• 1150[10:26:22] <mtcdood> seems fine but it's ugly, that's why I ask if there's a better way to do this particular piece of functionality in Bash
• 1151[10:27:24] <Wulf> mtcdood: you can create an array with file/directory names and error messages, then iterate through it.
• 1152[10:29:07] <ratrace> mtcdood: that's all the cron job would do? test files/dirs for existence?
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• 1155[10:30:42] <mtcdood> no, not at all
• 1156[10:31:04] <mtcdood> it later pulls the status of live streams on YouTube from their API and if someone's live it downloads the footage
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• 1158[10:33:01] <voldial> did surfraw move? replaced-url
• 1159[10:33:36] <mtcdood> Alioth has been switched off. You cannot use it anymore!
• 1160[10:33:57] <ratrace> well, you can make those shorter by removing if and chaining commands based on output, eg. [ ! -d /path/to/conf/dir ] && (>&2 echo "Conf dir not found!") && exit 1
• 1161[10:34:04] <ratrace> mtcdood: ^^
• 1162[10:34:29] <mtcdood> Alioth has been gone for over a year I guess
• 1163[10:34:32] <mtcdood> September 2018
• 1164[10:35:15] <voldial> mtcdood: any idea where that upstream repo is now?
• 1165[10:35:16] <Wulf> ratrace: or create two functions check_dir check_file
• 1166[10:35:27] <mtcdood> I could create a function for it
• 1167[10:35:31] <mtcdood> that'd be an improvement
• 1168[10:35:42] <Wulf> voldial: Homepage: replaced-url
• 1169[10:35:52] <voldial> Wulf: ah. thx!
• 1170[10:36:08] <ratrace> Wulf: oh that too yeah
• 1171[10:36:46] <mtcdood> ratrace, I don't believe that works
• 1172[10:37:01] <mtcdood> I tried something similar and it always exited
• 1173[10:37:20] <mtcdood> but I did use the inverse and checked for failure rather than sucess, ||
• 1174[10:37:26] <mtcdood> maybe that was the issue
• 1175[10:37:43] <ratrace> ah maybe, the above relies on first && failing as the second && will always trigger on echo returning 0
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• 1185[10:42:27] <mtcdood> if [[ ! -d /home/mtcdood/test_root/etc/youtube-archiver ]]; then echo "Configuration directory doesn't exist" 1>&2; exit 1; fi
• 1186[10:42:29] <mtcdood> vs
• 1187[10:42:36] <mtcdood> [[ ! /home/mtcdood/test_root/etc/youtube-archiver ]] && echo "Configuration directory doesn't exist" 1>&2 && exit 1
• 1188[10:42:49] <mtcdood> which is a slight improvement but not enough to worry about it I don't think
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• 1190[10:45:56] <ratrace> you can't do better than that, except writing a generic test_dir or test_file function and run it like test_dir /home/.... "Configuration directory doesn't exist" and then in test_dir use $1 and $2 where needed.
• 1191[10:46:54] <ratrace> that's the cleanest you can get . if you rewrite that in python it'll get uglier actually. import os ; if not os.path.exist("..."):\n print("blah blah")\n exit(1)
• 1192[10:47:06] <mtcdood> yeah
• 1193[10:47:17] <mtcdood> Python might not be an option ultimately
• 1194[10:47:35] <mtcdood> I do use a few system binaries right now that have Python modules or builtins available
• 1195[10:47:41] <mtcdood> but I haven't checked all of them
• 1196[10:47:49] <ratrace> python is poor for shell scripting and recommended only if you need higher functionality, like structured data handling or functions that don't exist as something you can call up in bash
• 1197[10:47:56] <mtcdood> like iconv and recode
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• 1218[10:58:27] <mtcdood> yeah I use 24 system binaries from the script that aren't Bash builtins
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• 1221[10:59:24] <ratrace> whoever designed TWO different clipboards in Xorg should be tarred and feathered and banned from using computers ever again
• 1222[10:59:48] <mtcdood> 5 of which are mkdir, touch, mv, cp, and rm
• 1223[11:00:04] <mtcdood> so no Bash replacements for those
• 1224[11:01:18] <mtcdood> 9 are text procesing, some of which might be able to replace with builtins
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• 1226[11:02:17] <ratrace> why tho. shell scripting is specifically designed to take advantage of programs working with files, stdins stdouts, piping, .... the "unix way"
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• 1228[11:02:49] <mtcdood> no I just mean I'd like to do what I can in Bash, and only call system binaries when I can't do what I'm trying to accomplish in Bash
• 1229[11:04:28] <mtcdood> replaced-url
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• 1231[11:05:03] <mtcdood> could probably move a lot of the sed to awk too, to reduce the number of system binaries I'm calling and be more consistent with how I'm processing text the few times I do it
• 1232[11:05:16] <Tuor> [Debian 10, freshly installed 30min ago, ESXi VM (vmware)] Hi, I have a OpenSSH Server running and I'm connecting to it, with the built in OpenSSH Client from Windows 10. Generally all works fine, but: When I paste text into my ssh session for example into vim, my session breaks. Breaking meens: it doesn't do anything at first, then it prints "reset by ...". I then tried to access the VM with it's virtual Display, but even there the VM doesn't react to
• 1233[11:05:16] <Tuor> any key strokes (even ctrl+alt+delete -> reboot). I could only reset the VM to get it working again. This happened with Debian 10 and Ubuntu 18.04. I tried a different virtualisation host and fresh installation without any additional programs/services. I don't know if it's a bug of the Windows 10 OpenSSH implementation or the OpenSSH Server running in the Debian VM or if it has to do with ESXi or even something else. What do you think, where should I
• 1234[11:05:16] <Tuor> search first?
• 1235[11:06:11] <mtcdood> try using PuTTY
• 1236[11:06:28] <mtcdood> if it works, that increases the likelihood it's Windows' client
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• 1238[11:07:12] <ratrace> Tuor: does it happen with Putty?
• 1239[11:07:18] <ratrace> yeah what mtcdood said
• 1240[11:07:30] <mtcdood> is there a way to remove emojis in awk?
• 1241[11:07:33] <Tuor> ratrace: I can try.
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• 1243[11:07:47] <mtcdood> I do it now by using iconv to translate utf8 into ascii
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• 1246[11:09:13] <elm_> can I use debootstrap with a cdrom?
• 1247[11:09:26] <elm_> it complains that it can not find InRelease
• 1248[11:09:36] <elm_> the cdrom only has a Release file
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• 1250[11:10:13] <elm_> I need to install Debian 6.0.3 and not Debian 6.0.x to test verification via debcheckroot
• 1251[11:10:34] <elm_> what if I am offline and want to install a Debian chroot?
• 1252[11:10:57] <ratrace> elm_: Debian 6? Squeeze? What on earth for?
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• 1254[11:13:21] <elm_> for testing latin1 filenames
• 1255[11:13:30] <elm_> I still have some old games for Debian6
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• 1261[11:17:06] <mtcdood> that's an 8 year old system that hasn't been supported for 6 years (at least I think support cycle was 2 years back then)
• 1262[11:17:50] <mtcdood> replaced-url
• 1263[11:17:56] <mtcdood> there's its documentation
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• 1267[11:19:30] <elm_> why does debootstrap not install apt-get?
• 1268[11:20:23] <elm_> ok; now it does; I had minbase first and then I tried to override with a normal install
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• 1275[11:25:12] <ratrace> elm_: tried running those games on a modern debian? chances are they'd work just fine
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• 1282[11:28:56] <Tuor> ratrace: can't reproduce with putty. Putty works.
• 1283[11:29:25] <Tuor> Can't find a website to report a bug about OpenSSH Client (Windows 10)
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• 1287[11:30:42] <ratrace> Tuor: maybe here? replaced-url
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• 1297[11:37:18] <Yruama_Lairba> hello, i found a problem in a debian package from buster, but this problem is not present in testing or sid. Can i use bugreport to ask for a fix ?
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• 1300[11:38:29] <Yruama_Lairba> the problem is very simple, a header is missing in "lv2-dev" package
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• 1306[11:42:51] <ratrace> !tell Yruama_Lairba about reportbug
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• 1310[11:49:11] <Yruama_Lairba> ratrace, i already looked the general documention about bug report, but i didn't find my answer to my particular question
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• 1312[11:50:48] <annadane> does MATE have a GUI MIME type editor like xfce does?
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• 1320[11:57:01] <ratrace> Yruama_Lairba: yes you can
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• 1325[11:58:21] <Yruama_Lairba> ratrace, thank you
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• 1346[12:22:30] <Tuor> ratrace: ok thx!
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• 1350[12:24:03] <fighter_fish> I cannot access the internet even after setting my ens33 interface up.
• 1351[12:24:25] <fighter_fish> Firefox says it cannot access the internet and apt cannot download things too
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• 1355[12:28:01] <unixbassen> @fighter_fish have checked that you can ping you gateway and if so, can you make dns requests?
• 1356[12:28:33] <Wulf> fighter_fish: how did you set it up?
• 1357[12:29:27] <fighter_fish> Wulf: With ip. This is what I did: ip link set ens33 up
• 1358[12:29:53] <unixbassen> so you have not set an ip?
• 1359[12:30:00] <Wulf> fighter_fish: means you didn't configure it with an address nor route nor dns settings?
• 1360[12:30:01] <fighter_fish> unixbassen: my internet provider doesn't allow me to ping
• 1361[12:30:24] <mossylane> your internet provider doesn't allow ping???
• 1362[12:30:27] <fighter_fish> Wulf: probably? It worked on arch....
• 1363[12:30:32] <mossylane> lame :)
• 1364[12:30:37] <unixbassen> you could run 'dhcclient ens33', then you should get dhcp on the interface
• 1365[12:30:40] <fighter_fish> mossylane: yeah
• 1366[12:31:24] <fighter_fish> unixbassen: I don't seem to have that installed, didn't have dhcpcd
• 1367[12:31:29] <fighter_fish> either
• 1368[12:31:32] <unixbassen> i might have misspelled
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• 1370[12:31:40] <unixbassen> its either dhclient or dhcclient
• 1371[12:32:16] <fighter_fish> strange
• 1372[12:32:21] <unixbassen> ?
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• 1374[12:32:33] <ratrace> it's dhclient, and other that for testing, you shouldn't call it directly on a NIC
• 1375[12:32:44] <fighter_fish> When freshly installed, debian didn't have programs like user mod and visudo
• 1376[12:32:48] <ratrace> you can set up /etc/network/interfaces for dhcp
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• 1378[12:32:59] <fighter_fish> At least that's what happened to me
• 1379[12:33:06] <Tuor> ratrace: I reported: replaced-url
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• 1382[12:35:06] <ratrace> Tuor: nice
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• 1384[12:35:26] <fighter_fish> unixbassen: i don't seem to have it installed
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• 1387[12:37:00] <unixbassen> @fighter_fish like ratrace mentioned, you can set an ip, netmask, gw, ... in the file /etc/network/interfaces for the interface ens33
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• 1389[12:37:32] <ratrace> netmask is deprecated, use cidr notation
• 1390[12:37:33] <fighter_fish> unixbassen: don't I need a dhcp client?
• 1391[12:37:44] <ratrace> fighter_fish: you can use it if you want to
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• 1393[12:37:56] <ratrace> depends on what you want: static network configuration, or DHCP based
• 1394[12:38:21] <unixbassen> @fighter_fish depends on if you get an ip from dhcp or you set it static
• 1395[12:38:23] <fighter_fish> Well NetworkManager has been doing all this work so far for me, but it suddenly crashed
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• 1397[12:38:42] <fighter_fish> what is network manager
• 1398[12:38:48] <unixbassen> maybe the service stopped?
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• 1403[12:39:10] <fighter_fish> unixbassen: yeah but on reboot it didn't bounce back up
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• 1405[12:39:26] <unixbassen> @fighter_fish maybe have a look at replaced-url
• 1406[12:39:39] <ratrace> unixbassen: btw this ain't twitter, don't prefix users with @ as some irc client's wont hilight then
• 1407[12:39:53] <unixbassen> ratrace: sorry
• 1408[12:40:43] <ratrace> fighter_fish: slow down and start from the beginning. you have a desktop environment there? which one?
• 1409[12:40:59] <fighter_fish> I installed xfce4, replaced xfwm with openbox
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• 1411[12:41:14] <ratrace> fighter_fish: okay and you use NetworkManager to manager your network connections?
• 1412[12:41:21] <ratrace> *manage
• 1413[12:41:41] <fighter_fish> Yes, I used a graphical install so debian did that automatically
• 1414[12:42:46] <fighter_fish> While I was tinkering with open box network manager crashed suddenly. I found that strange so I rebooted. But network manager never started again. What is its name so I can access it on the terminal?
• 1415[12:43:04] <ratrace> fighter_fish: okay, so now question two: do you want static or DHCP network configuration for your main network interfaces?
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• 1417[12:43:14] <fighter_fish> ratrace: dhcp
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• 1419[12:43:49] <ratrace> fighter_fish: okay, so you can set up your main interface via /etc/network/interfaces for DHCP, and being set there, NM won't interfere with it
• 1420[12:43:53] <Sweden> selam pardus kullanicilari nerden
• 1421[12:44:07] <Sweden> bir yarimci olacak vatansever yokmu
• 1422[12:44:11] <lord_rob> Hi! I remembered I have an old Nexus 7 2002 tablet. Sure I can't use full latest Android on it, but I've tried adb devices and it booted even if the power button itself did not work (because 2% battery :). Can't I use just AOSP on it and still use it, for example without internet access? Or with a minimal linux distro?
• 1423[12:44:16] <ratrace> fighter_fish: look at this stanza from the link unixbassen gave you: replaced-url
• 1424[12:44:40] <ratrace> fighter_fish: that's all you need, except of course use your actual NIC name, not eth0
• 1425[12:44:48] <fighter_fish> sure
• 1426[12:44:51] <fighter_fish> just a sec
• 1427[12:44:57] <lord_rob> sorry wrong channel
• 1428[12:44:59] <ratrace> fighter_fish: so auto ens33 and in the new line iface ens33 inet dhcp
• 1429[12:45:26] <ratrace> fighter_fish: then run systemctl restart networking.service as that will call ifdown and ifup on the configured interfaces, and you should have the network
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• 1432[12:47:12] <fighter_fish> ratrace: wow, thanks that seemed to do the trick
• 1433[12:47:16] <fighter_fish> thank you !!
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• 1436[12:48:02] <ratrace> fighter_fish: just remember that interface now won't be touched by NM
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• 1438[12:48:20] <ratrace> fighter_fish: which doesn't matter if a default DHCP setup is all you want of it. NM will still handle others, like wifi or whatnot
• 1439[12:48:35] <fighter_fish> ratrace: what name is NM referred to in the terminal?
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• 1441[12:48:51] <ratrace> fighter_fish: there's nmcli I think for the CLI interface for NM
• 1442[12:49:03] <ratrace> don't much about it though, I don't use NM at all
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• 1444[12:49:28] <fighter_fish> ratrace: I don't have either nmcli or nmtui, how did NM work in the first place?
• 1445[12:50:05] <ratrace> fighter_fish: do you have the network-manager package installed? if yes, you should have /usr/bin/nmcli
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• 1447[12:50:22] <fighter_fish> ratrace: is it just me? when i first installed debian, despite having my unprivileged account in the sudo group, I was still denied access. I needed to reboot for that to work
• 1448[12:50:46] <ratrace> fighter_fish: for what to work? sudo?
• 1449[12:51:07] <fighter_fish> ratrace: yes, visudo didn't work until a reboot either
• 1450[12:51:49] <ratrace> "didn't work"? you had to run visudo as root, eg. su -l to become root (note the -l flag!) and then visudo
• 1451[12:52:22] <fighter_fish> ratrace: yes I know, but debian told me visudo wasn't installed, despite having sudo installed
• 1452[12:52:51] <ratrace> fighter_fish: did you su -l with -l (or just with - ) ? that's very important
• 1453[12:52:54] <ratrace> !buster su
• 1454[12:52:54] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To use the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
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• 1456[12:53:23] <ratrace> fighter_fish: because visudo is in sbin and without that, it probably wasn't in your PATH
• 1457[12:53:26] <fighter_fish> ratrace: i did su - only
• 1458[12:53:40] <fighter_fish> ratrace: it worked on a reboot though?
• 1459[12:54:22] <fighter_fish> ratrace: I'll just call it an unlucky glitch
• 1460[12:54:36] <ratrace> fighter_fish: reboot from what though? regular installation or the installer environment?
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• 1462[12:54:53] <fighter_fish> a regular installation, sorry for not being clear
• 1463[12:55:02] <ratrace> fighter_fish: in which you just installed sudo?
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• 1466[12:55:19] <fighter_fish> ratrace: no, sudo was automatically installed
• 1467[12:55:56] <ratrace> fighter_fish: that'd mean you installed debian with no root password set? I think that's what it does now
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• 1469[12:56:16] <fighter_fish> ratrace: No I did install with a root password set
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• 1471[12:56:38] <TandyUK> if you set a root pass, sudo isnt installed
• 1472[12:56:50] <TandyUK> you only get sudo 'out of the box' if you leave root pw blank
• 1473[12:56:54] <ratrace> right, that's why I'm asking.... is this actually Debian, or a derivative?
• 1474[12:57:30] <ratrace> and if sudo WAS installed, so was the definition for the %sudo group and all you had to do was add your user to that group, unless it already was, and it would iirc if you installed with no root password
• 1475[12:57:38] <TandyUK> and then it automagically adds the user you create during install to the sudoers group
• 1476[12:57:50] <ratrace> so this either isn't Debian, or you didn't do what you said you did :)
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• 1478[12:58:14] <fighter_fish> ratrace: maybe :P, i may have installed sudo out of habit
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• 1481[12:58:41] <fighter_fish> ratrace: but on my fresh install, i found programs like usermod not installed, what's up with that?
• 1482[12:59:09] <TandyUK> sounds very dodgy lol
• 1483[12:59:28] <ratrace> are you sure it wasn't installed? or you just tried it unprivileged, and sbin is not in your PATH?
• 1484[12:59:30] <fighter_fish> TandyUK: I think my VM just hates debian for whatever reason
• 1485[12:59:30] <TandyUK> would be interested if you can replicate that experience
• 1486[12:59:45] * ratrace suspects this isn't Debian at all, but a derivative
• 1487[13:00:03] <fighter_fish> ratrace: no i downloaded for debian's official website
• 1488[13:00:32] <snooky> mooin
• 1489[13:00:36] <fighter_fish> ratrace: usermod was installed, but debian just said it wasn't installed
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• 1492[13:00:53] <ratrace> fighter_fish: wasn't installed or "command not found"?
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• 1494[13:01:09] <fighter_fish> command not found i guess
• 1495[13:01:26] <fighter_fish> I think this just happened to me thanks to my vm
• 1496[13:01:36] <ratrace> well that's a huge difference. as sbin is not in your PATH by default, you can't run commands in it, without sudo or going root first (or adding sbin to PATH)
• 1497[13:01:41] <ratrace> fighter_fish: the VM has nothing to do with this
• 1498[13:02:15] <ratrace> (or using full path, of course, /sur/sbin/usermod )
• 1499[13:02:19] <fighter_fish> I'm sure I was in sudo or root while doing this...
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• 1502[13:03:01] <ratrace> well doesn't matter now, since you rebooted and can't verify what was before that.
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• 1504[13:03:07] <ratrace> fighter_fish: it all works now?
• 1505[13:03:16] <fighter_fish> Yup, everything
• 1506[13:03:22] <ratrace> !next
• 1507[13:03:22] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
• 1508[13:03:33] <fighter_fish> I blamed my vm because it's a little outdated
• 1509[13:03:43] <fighter_fish> thank you for your service
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• 1515[13:07:56] <dpkg> Yes, wskyx, you are online.
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• 1543[13:31:59] <DrBunsen> Hey all, I am upgrading all my systems to buster(stretch now) and I have had 1 system break on me, starting with this error 'The AppStream system cache was updated...' and that I need to check the verbose logs. Does anyone know where the logs of appstream is? I have a second machine with this error, and I want it to cleanly upgrade ;)
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• 1548[13:40:33] <DrBunsen> To add to me previous message, this is the log: replaced-url
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• 1553[13:43:23] <Unit193> appstream is related to gnome-software, I don't have it installed. You could remove appstream (provided you don't have things depending on it), optionally re-adding itt at the end of your update, then run apt-get autoclean && apt update to see if that clears the cache issues.
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• 1561[13:47:38] <DrBunsen> Unit193: I had the same idea. But it will wants to remove all gnome if I try to delete it. I tried reinstalling it. Then it works when the sources.list links to stretch, but when I change it to buster, it errors again. And my only failed upgrade was indeed a gnome using pc.
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• 1563[13:48:45] <TandyUK> you not using dist-update for a reason?
• 1564[13:48:57] <DrBunsen> it will error on appstream
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• 1566[13:49:04] <TandyUK> or dist-upgrade, or has something changed in buster?
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• 1568[13:49:39] <DrBunsen> so what I did: change stretch to buster in sources, apt-get update && apt-get dist-ugrade, appstream error.
• 1569[13:50:02] <DrBunsen> but now I did reinstall appstream using the buster sources, and it seems to work, fingers crossed
• 1570[13:50:32] <TandyUK> replaced-url
• 1571[13:50:56] <TandyUK> that has the full list of what you should have done, unless you were being brief, you missed a few steps
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• 1576[13:51:59] <Unit193> DrBunsen: That was going to be my next idea. Alternatly, it should be something you can ignore for now, until you upgrade.
• 1577[13:52:42] <DrBunsen> I love how they still say jessie in the text somehwere. But thanks. I normally do not do all these steps while upgrading though.
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• 1580[13:53:19] <DrBunsen> Unit193: we shall know in a few minutes. I will either say:"yay it worked" or I will leave the room ;)
• 1581[13:53:59] <Unit193> appstream, like apt-file, has a hook to fetch additional data when running `apt update`.
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• 1583[13:55:08] <DrBunsen> appstream is part of the gnome software centre right? I never cared for a software centre myself, but deleting it seems to want to delete half of gnome, so it is just an unused install here ;)
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• 1631[14:25:35] <AlienTrooper> Hello. I have a problem with the nvidia display. Is installed without no problems, but i have nvidia/intel crap and i can`t switch between them
• 1632[14:25:43] <AlienTrooper> I also can`t install nvidia-prime
• 1633[14:25:46] <AlienTrooper> Package nvidia-prime is not available, but is referred to by another package.
• 1634[14:25:47] <AlienTrooper> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
• 1635[14:25:47] <AlienTrooper> is only available from another source
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• 1637[14:26:00] <AlienTrooper> What is that another package?
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• 1648[14:32:36] <ratrace> AlienTrooper: see if this helps: replaced-url
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• 1651[14:34:30] <krumelmonster> rngd.service fails to start and /dev/random is blocking completely. How do I fix this and can I trust the ssh and tls keys I generated on this machine?
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• 1654[14:35:56] <boktan> i dont know where to start fix my problems my cpu is threshold error giving this errors i do have here : replaced-url
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• 1656[14:36:50] <ratrace> krumelmonster: yes you can trust them. if you have a problem with entropy and no RDRAND hardware, install haveged
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• 1660[14:38:50] <DrBunsen> Unit193: it seems it worked.
• 1661[14:39:35] <AlienTrooper> ratrace; I`m checking now. Thanks
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• 1663[14:39:49] <krumelmonster> ratrace: I'll read into that. Can I simply disable rngd.service as I don't have a hardware rng?
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• 1665[14:40:21] <ratrace> krumelmonster: I'm not familiar with that service
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• 1667[14:41:14] <ratrace> krumelmonster: ah I see... well haveged is just another kind of entropy gathering daemon, and one that works. you can either figure out why rngd doesn't, or use haveged
• 1668[14:41:27] <krumelmonster> When using haveged, is there any guarantee that true random bits are used at all?
• 1669[14:41:43] <ratrace> krumelmonster: there is never such guarantee
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• 1671[14:42:45] <ratrace> krumelmonster: also this ain't a joke :) replaced-url
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• 1673[14:43:21] <gvth> Is it still needed with buster to reboot a computer after a kernel update to load the new kernel?
• 1674[14:43:42] <ratrace> gvth: yes
• 1675[14:44:18] <ratrace> livepatch, if it exists for Debian at all, is not something installed by default
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• 1677[14:44:46] <gvth> ratrace: a couple of days ago I heard that starting with Linux kernel version 4 live patching is integrated by default
• 1678[14:45:11] <krumelmonster> Well, I mean will it fail/block when it cannot gather bits from any hardware inputs like sensors or periphery or will it simply fall back to a pure prng?
• 1679[14:45:20] <gvth> ratrace: if it isn't included by default, is it stable enough to activate it?
• 1680[14:45:42] <ratrace> gvth: probably not
• 1681[14:46:14] <ratrace> krumelmonster: haveged doesn't rely on such sources, it uses cpu timing imperfections. google up "havege" algorith
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• 1686[14:48:46] <Unit193> DrBunsen: Great!
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• 1690[14:53:59] <DrBunsen> Unit193: I am still having some minor issues I have to fix, zfs-zed, zfs-dkms and libvirt-daemon-system aren't working, but atlest it works ;)
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• 1756[15:39:02] <JyZyXEL> replaced-url
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• 1787[15:55:24] <Wulf> JyZyXEL: use a more reliable mirror. I hope deb.debian.org doesn't list outdated mirrors.
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• 1793[15:58:11] <JyZyXEL> i felt funet was reliable because i think they hosted the first ever release of linux
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• 1830[16:18:09] <gvth> Is hibernation stable nowsdays? Debian's wiki page about it seems to be pretty much outdated...
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• 1833[16:19:17] <gvth> *nowadays
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• 1835[16:20:21] <ensamvarg> gvth: You mean hibernation to disk?
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• 1840[16:22:30] <annadane> i guess the answer is generally yes, i suppose if you have missing firmware/drivers/whatever then hibernate may not work
• 1841[16:22:36] <annadane> probably depends on the machine
• 1842[16:23:28] <annadane> i think it also depends on the amount of RAM you have
• 1843[16:23:45] <annadane> hibernation is more based on RAM than suspend, AFAIK
• 1844[16:23:55] <annadane> i may be wrong there
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• 1847[16:24:41] <annadane> ...why do i answer questions i have no idea how to answer?
• 1848[16:24:50] <ensamvarg> Hibernate => to disk, Suspend => to RAM
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• 1850[16:26:15] <jubo2> What is the go-to-solution that enables me to unlock all the ssh keys once per login?
• 1851[16:26:40] <ensamvarg> jubo2: gnome-keyring
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• 1854[16:27:35] <ensamvarg> jubo2: The GUI for it is the seahorse application.
• 1855[16:27:37] <jubo2> ensamvarg: Thanks for info. Looking
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• 1861[16:31:38] <ratrace> annadane: the other way around
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• 1865[16:32:41] <RoyK> annadane: suspend just pauses the OS. hibernate dumps all the memory to swap and turns off the machine
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• 1870[16:38:31] <jubo2> ensamvarg: do you know something more useful. I need an intelligent solution for ssh keys to access servers, so I obviously need a tested way of revoking the keys on the servers
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• 1874[16:40:35] <jubo2> One solution that has come to mind would be to have one account with sudo rights that has difficult to guess account name and difficult password and use that to zap the keys, when the password to gain access to the keys has or may have been subjected to bruteforcing?
• 1875[16:41:25] <jubo2> there are good sides and bad sides to most solutions (not just in information security)
• 1876[16:41:57] <RoyK> ansible?
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• 1878[16:43:04] <Yruama_Lairba> :( i almost finish to do a bug report, but reportbug fail to send mail.
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• 1880[16:43:25] <bibble> SSH has an login solution that stays in ram to remember your key passwords.
• 1881[16:43:35] <Yruama_Lairba> "Client was not authenticated to send anonymous mail"
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• 1884[16:44:19] <Yruama_Lairba> how i fix that ?
• 1885[16:44:23] <bibble> jubo2: "ssh-agent"
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• 1892[16:51:47] <jubo2> bibble: yeah, I need ssh-agent and ssh-agent forwarding. Thank you for poiting this to me. I am keeping notes
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• 1894[16:52:04] <bibble> 😎👍
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• 1896[16:52:42] <n_1-c_k> Yruama_Lairba, from the host where you ran reportbug, how do you normally send email?
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• 1901[16:54:57] <Yruama_Lairba> n_1-c_k, by using a webmail
• 1902[16:54:59] <jubo2> I started an intrawiki for me and now I've taken to taking notes there. Public wikis are an excellent way to show either of these two things: #1 proficiency and #2 amateurship. So I get more information processed with less effort when I don't need to worry about history of amateur edits showing up
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• 1905[16:57:12] <n_1-c_k> Yruama_Lairba, ok, you probably have no MTA configured on that host. Your webmail provider might provide you with values you can use in reportbug's --smtp* options, look in reportbug's man page for what you'll need.
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• 1907[17:00:02] <Yruama_Lairba> how i send a prevously saved bug report ?
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• 1912[17:02:25] <n_1-c_k> By email :)
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• 1919[17:07:39] <Yruama_Lairba> n_1-c_k, ? i think my bugreport would go directly into trash if take the report file and past-it in a mail
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• 1942[17:26:02] <jubo2> ok. installed gnome-keyring and seahorse, but the seahorse will not read a private key hash
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• 1944[17:26:32] <jubo2> the fingerprints and everything show up in the dialogue, but the "import" button is grayed up
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• 1996[17:56:02] <Yruama_Lairba> i ask again, how i can open a saved bug report with reportbug ?
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• 2000[17:57:28] <Yruama_Lairba> and i already searched inside the manual
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• 2002[17:58:23] <jubo2> Ok. Thanks for information on the ssh issue. Debian is awesome!
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• 2006[17:59:09] <jubo2> And thank you for the awesomely stable and reliable Debian, I've been hosting my activist effort on it since 2002, except for 2005-2006 (?), when it was hosted at a partially-managed BSD system that actually worked till Mediawiki started requiring something they did not have. It somehow worked with having 2 sets of directories, one user space, one managed and somehow put together it worked really nicely.
• 2007[17:59:14] <jasonwc> Hello, I'm installing Debian Buster on a new system with an Intel 9700K CPU and I want to use its integrated graphics. Do I need to use the kernel from backports or is 4.19 fine?
• 2008[18:00:03] <themill> Yruama_Lairba: you can just copy-paste the email that was saved in /tmp into your email client
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• 2012[18:01:26] <Yruama_Lairba> themill, really ? it's automatically reformatted ?
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• 2014[18:01:57] <Yruama_Lairba> what adress mail should i use ?
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• 2016[18:02:15] <themill> that should be all in the saved file
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• 2019[18:02:38] <mixy> jasonwc: 4.19 should work.
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• 2036[18:05:00] <themill> Yruama_Lairba: alternatively, if you've got a working MTA on the box, you should be able to pass it directly to sendmail
• 2037[18:06:42] <Yruama_Lairba> sorry, but sendmail doesn't seems to work properly on my machine
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• 2040[18:07:26] <Yruama_Lairba> i installed it, but i need to be administrator to use it, and i don't know how to use it
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• 2044[18:08:15] <themill> I wouldn't install sendmail
• 2045[18:08:34] <themill> (dma or nullmailer or ssmtp or just about anything else)
• 2046[18:09:55] <themill> alternatively, if you've now configured reportbug correctly, you can slurp the saved bug report back in when it gives you an editor to write the message
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• 2057[18:13:29] <Yruama_Lairba> Fu**! my bug report have been ignored because badly written
• 2058[18:13:55] <Yruama_Lairba> i copy/pasted the full bug report
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• 2096[18:32:23] <k1tsun3> hi, im having an issue where my lockscreen wallpaper isnt changing
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• 2098[18:32:42] <sponix> k1tsun3: that's terrible
• 2099[18:32:52] <k1tsun3> i've set it in both gnome-tweaks and the settings menu
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• 2101[18:33:25] <k1tsun3> are there any config files that may be overwriting these settings?
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• 2103[18:33:41] <sponix> probably
• 2104[18:34:44] <k1tsun3> any idea which one or how i could go about fixing it?
• 2105[18:34:48] <k1tsun3> im running buster
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• 2108[18:37:20] <sponix> k1tsun3: with "Gnome" desktop ?
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• 2111[18:39:40] <k1tsun3> yes
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• 2115[18:46:58] <sponix> k1tsun3: I can google and see what that produces, but I have nothing running regular Gnome
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• 2119[18:50:18] <k1tsun3> i already tried googling :/
• 2120[18:50:28] <k1tsun3> also for whatever reason, grub-customizer isnt working
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• 2124[18:51:27] <k1tsun3> it isnt changing the grub background image
• 2125[18:51:47] <k1tsun3> jesus i though debian was supposed to be more stable than ubuntu? Yet none of the packages work properly
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• 2128[18:53:18] <sponix> k1tsun3: you know if you are using lightdm or gdm ?
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• 2133[18:54:04] <sponix> I see in the latest Gnome the screen locking is handled by a mixture of 3 other processes (nuts I know). And use of gdm seems to do better with honoring things like the screen locking background
• 2134[18:54:29] <sponix> Other recommendations are to disable the Gnome screen locking in favor of the faithful "xscreensaver" and its locking :)
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• 2138[18:55:51] <sponix> k1tsun3: If you are new to Linux, I highly recommend you try MX Linux out. It is "based off of Debian 10". But has a nice out of the box xfce4 setup, a dozen or so helpful extra tools, and their mxrepo has all the software I use on a daily basis right out of the box
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• 2142[18:56:18] <k1tsun3> I've been running ubuntu for about a year and a half now and wanted to upgrade to something a little more advanced
• 2143[18:56:34] <k1tsun3> i didnt know that meant i would have this much trouble changing a background
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• 2145[18:56:46] <k1tsun3> also im trying to stay with the GNOME enviornment
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• 2148[18:57:57] <sponix> k1tsun3: I've never liked Gnome... Cinnamon and Mate have been Okay. But xfce normally is the winner for me, just because I like light, fast, and it to stay out of my way and let me focus n apps :)
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• 2151[18:59:10] <sponix> k1tsun3: this little cairo-dock is all I run, to launch and switch between my apps and desktops replaced-url
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• 2161[19:04:24] <debian> which USB wifi adaptors work on debian? is there a list of ones that can be bought from amazon?
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• 2165[19:05:35] <sponix> Guest98097: Handful of them on Amazon literally say Linux compatible. What speed and price range ?
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• 2167[19:05:49] <Guest98097> id like to get the cheapest one
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• 2170[19:08:07] <lupine> USB wifi is dodgy
• 2171[19:08:29] <lupine> Even just giving a brand is fraught, some work, others don't
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• 2174[19:09:00] <Guest98097> it's frustrating, i just need to get a cable out of the way
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• 2177[19:09:37] <k1tsun3> anyone have experience with grub-customizer?
• 2178[19:09:50] <k1tsun3> because no matter what i do its not changing my grub background image
• 2179[19:09:56] <sponix> Guest98097: replaced-url
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• 2181[19:10:20] <Guest98097> that looks like a nice one, thanks. i read panda is workable
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• 2186[19:10:50] <Guest98097> I ight just give it a shot
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• 2198[19:20:38] <k1tsun3> okay so i was able to change lock screen but not login screen, is that a different config?
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• 2200[19:21:55] <aaii> Hey guys, What is the best way to connection to VPN in L2TP in Debian? ( I tried so many way as GUI and CLI but didn't work)
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• 2217[19:28:44] <sponix> k1tsun3: you need to find out if you are using gdm or lightdm and configure accordingly
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• 2219[19:29:46] <k1tsun3> anyone sponix: Im actually really confused, if i reboot my computer my lockscreen is default, however if i log out then back in it is changed
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• 2313[20:27:01] <Bella_TX> Hi, it's time for my Special Sunday Show. Join me for free and write "Show me something special" ----> replaced-url
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• 2315[20:27:34] <mason> !ops
• 2316[20:27:34] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
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• 2318[20:27:44] <mason> dpkg: ops ^
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• 2325[20:38:19] <oo_miguel> I need some simple "dynamic" (?) functionality to back a web-form. I just want to save some data people enter, into a textfile. Any suggestions of light solutions capable of doing this. currently I serve everything directly via nginx since I have only static content. Any suggestions how to approach this? Should I seriously consider installing a full-blown apache just for this single requirement?
• 2326[20:39:48] <somiaj> I don't see why you need apache for this, but you will need to use some languange, php/python/perl/c/etc to deal with the dynamic part.
• 2327[20:40:17] <somiaj> ngnix can work with dynamic content via a language.
• 2328[20:40:42] <oo_miguel> somiaj: oh I always thought nginx is for static stuff only...
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• 2330[20:41:44] <oo_miguel> my mistake it seems
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• 2334[20:42:20] <oo_miguel> all I want is to basically call some custom process on each request to a particular URI and pass the http data in
• 2335[20:42:20] <somiaj> maybe it was originally configured as such, but I don't see why it can't offload to another language
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• 2338[20:42:51] <somiaj> though I'm having trouble finding good info on this
• 2339[20:43:09] <oo_miguel> I am also not bound to nginx in any way
• 2340[20:43:52] <oo_miguel> just want to serve almost exclusively static content and have this single "special functionality" to save data from the form
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• 2345[20:45:28] <somiaj> I think the difference is ngnix doesn't include native process, but you can offload to stand alone language, so php-fpm (i.e. you wn't find moudles built in for this)
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• 2347[20:45:58] <oo_miguel> ok I will have a look, thanks for clarifying
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• 2349[20:46:34] <oo_miguel> I also just found a thing called "fcgiwrap" for nginx
• 2350[20:46:46] <somiaj> yea, I see fastcgi_pass to in the php example I have found
• 2351[20:47:05] <phogg> oo_miguel: you can sit apache behind nginx if that helps
• 2352[20:47:26] <jhutchins> phogg: How does that help? What good does nginx do in that configuration?
• 2353[20:48:13] <oo_miguel> phogg: yeah I am aware of that, and even used it for a couple of setups. still it seems a bit oversized for my use case.
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• 2358[20:49:14] <somiaj> On my machine most my apps are in vms with local access only, so ngnix just servs as my ssl proxy
• 2359[20:49:16] <phogg> jhutchins: if he mostly serves static content and already has nginx up but needs apache for a specific configuration it could make sense to just use both.
• 2360[20:49:46] <somiaj> I haven't actually used it for php, python, or using some other language to deal with POST and dynamic content, but seems you can do this with ngnix in various ways.
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• 2363[20:50:03] <phogg> oo_miguel: it's definitely a bit silly, but sometimes the pragmatic answer wins
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• 2368[20:51:16] <oo_miguel> yeah, ok thanks guys, I will experiment with a few setups and make a decision. thanks for pointing me in some (different) directions.
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• 2386[21:04:38] <jhutchins> phogg: I've seen ng whatever. it should drop down to noninteractive. previous versions of debian did this. but i will try
• 2387[21:05:07] <jhutchins> ngnix forwarding to apahe done, I've just never understood the functional advantage over direct apache.
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• 2389[21:05:54] <jhutchins> That was a strange post, sorry.
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• 2396[21:07:55] <jelly> jhutchins: apache used to be very, very bad with resource usage per connection, nginx as a reverse proxy in front had been an easy fix for some types of DoS
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• 2414[21:21:27] <sponix> jelly: I still use apache2 out of convenience
• 2415[21:21:44] <sponix> but I don't host anything large, it is just for my own personal use
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• 2438[21:38:04] <aaii> Wich CMS is a good choice for create static website?
• 2439[21:38:08] <aaii> *which
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• 2444[21:40:49] <RoyK> aaii: whatever suits you
• 2445[21:41:17] <RoyK> aaii: wordpress is a good start if you haven't tried anything yet
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• 2447[21:41:35] <aaii> RoyK, Wordpress is opensource?
• 2448[21:41:41] <RoyK> it is
• 2449[21:41:58] <RoyK> replaced-url
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• 2451[21:42:40] <RoyK> you can install it from a package too, but I prefer to download it directly from the site to get the newest stuff
• 2452[21:42:51] <jhutchins> aaii: For a static page you really don't need a CMS engine.
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• 2454[21:43:30] <RoyK> well, indeed
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• 2456[21:43:38] <RoyK> just vi index.html ;)
• 2457[21:43:49] <jhutchins> RoyK: Right on.
• 2458[21:44:06] <aaii> jhutchins, agreed, but if you have lazy team for doing CSS or HTML, you should using CMS and using themes :))
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• 2460[21:44:20] <sponix> my website is outstanding. should check it out -> sponix.tk
• 2461[21:44:22] <RoyK> jhutchins: it's just that a lot of people don't know html/css that well
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• 2463[21:44:39] <jhutchins> RoyK: They could learn it.
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• 2465[21:44:49] <RoyK> obviously
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• 2468[21:45:56] <jhutchins> KDE used to have a nice web page development environment, but it got killed in 4.x.
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• 2474[21:50:43] <revolutionary> hi all. I installed Debian Buster with UEFI encrypted installation. Installation is done without any error but when rebooted i dropped to the "grub >". What should i do for booting? It didn't ask any passphrase.
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• 2485[21:55:49] <jhutchins> aaii: I don't know what's available these days for a linux webpage editor, but that might be a better choice.
• 2486[21:57:11] <jhutchins> So what is it with encryption this past week or so? Biggest topic we've had. Is it something about 10?
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• 2489[21:57:51] <jhutchins> revolutionary: Did you follow the installation guide?
• 2490[21:58:09] <revolutionary> jhutchins: THis is not about that guide. This is about UEFI
• 2491[21:58:21] <revolutionary> I re-installed with UEFI
• 2492[21:58:40] <revolutionary> If you want to learn i can write what i did in debian-installer for UEFI
• 2493[21:58:48] <jhutchins> !encrypted filesystem
• 2494[21:58:48] <dpkg> Encryption is useful to keep data protected on your system. There is a nice guide on how to use LVM encrypted partitions at replaced-url
• 2495[21:59:33] <jhutchins> revolutionary: The IG covers UEFI.
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• 2497[22:00:01] <revolutionary> jhutchins: that link is empty, thanks for the info
• 2498[22:00:09] <jhutchins> revolutionary: If you're getting the grub prompt you're probably allready past the UEFI stage.
• 2499[22:00:50] <revolutionary> jhutchins: yes i am getting grub
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• 2507[22:05:04] <crestfallen> hi I'm wondering if kvm has gotten any easier to use over the last few years. about 3 years ago I was unable to figure it out. I"m also looking at proxmox but - correct me if I'm wrong - that requires to be set up on a debian install.
• 2508[22:05:31] <somiaj> libvirt makes it easier, with virt-manager you can basically use a gui to configure things.
• 2509[22:06:17] <crestfallen> thanks I was using that tool. I gave up and .. at the time .. virtualbox worked fine, though I guess it's not cool to use that now.
• 2510[22:06:47] <sponix> crestfallen: back for more punishment ?
• 2511[22:06:59] <somiaj> It is more that oracle's policy is in contrast to debian's policy, making it so debian cannot just provide virtualbox in its repos (they are working on this, but don't have a solution yet)
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• 2513[22:07:20] <somiaj> You can install virtualbox from oracle's repos and it should work just fine, but it is not supported by debian.
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• 2515[22:07:45] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 2518[22:07:46] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 2519[22:09:06] <crestfallen> sponix yeah! You have me inspired to set up vm's. judd somiaj thanks yeah after my travails the last few days to get buster working, I don't want bugs. not that buster is buggy; more like I'm buggy
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• 2522[22:09:47] <crestfallen> so what about proxmox sponix said it was easy for basic vm's
• 2523[22:10:10] <somiaj> !proxmox
• 2524[22:10:10] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
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• 2526[22:11:21] <somiaj> though I think you are talking about replaced-url
• 2527[22:11:23] <sandra24xi> hi is there a bug with debian and sudo ? it's been the third time i have installed debian and i can't get sudo to work
• 2528[22:12:16] <crestfallen> also If I may ask, luks and/or proxmox must be installed during host install?
• 2529[22:12:23] <somiaj> sandra24xi: what do you mean doesn't work?
• 2530[22:12:44] <somiaj> crestfallen: this is not the place for proxmox support. You have to pay for it, so ask their support team.
• 2531[22:13:00] <crestfallen> ok thanks somiaj
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• 2534[22:13:35] <sandra24xi> @somiaj, it says wrong password but i am sure it is correct
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• 2536[22:14:00] <somiaj> sandra24xi: are you using your users password? Also how are you installing sudo (apt install sudo) after the installation?
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• 2538[22:14:13] <crestfallen> sandra24xi, use adduser command in root : # adduser sandy sudo. then make sure you reboot or it won't stick
• 2539[22:14:22] <somiaj> crestfallen: you don't need to reboot
• 2540[22:15:08] <crestfallen> hmm yesterday I was told it wouldn't stick and they were right (here in chat)
• 2541[22:15:23] <somiaj> and better advise is to have someone edit the suders file via visudo, but if you want to give your user blanked sudo privlages, you need to add the user to the sudo group, 'adduser username sudo', then logout/login as that user to update the groups.
• 2542[22:15:39] <sandra24xi> i installed debian from USB key install, i used a password for root and then another one for regular user. when i use my user password it says not in the sudoers file
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• 2544[22:15:53] <jhutchins> crestfallen: It is sufficient to log out and log back in.
• 2545[22:16:01] <somiaj> crestfallen: group memeber ship is set when the user logins, all you need to do is login in as the user (or logout back in)
• 2546[22:16:05] <crestfallen> I believe that issue is with gnome which I have. but I'm a dork
• 2547[22:16:23] <somiaj> sandra24xi: read my comment about editing the sudoers file via visudo or just add your user to the sudo group (not done by default if you give root a password)
• 2548[22:16:33] <somiaj> crestfallen: you can logout and log back into gnome too
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• 2550[22:16:50] <somiaj> rebooting is the windows approach, but often times only a certain action needs to be done.
• 2551[22:17:01] <sandra24xi> i am trying "sudo apt install -y lsb-release wget apt-transport-https
• 2552[22:17:09] <crestfallen> since multiple background processes interfere: debian thinks the terminal process is still running.
• 2553[22:17:22] <somiaj> sandra24xi: did you read what you have been told? We descirbed what needs to be done.
• 2554[22:17:32] <crestfallen> using gnome anyway
• 2555[22:17:47] <crestfallen> but sorry just trying to help if sandra uses gnome
• 2556[22:17:47] <sandra24xi> let me try, but i think i did try after looking around on forums
• 2557[22:17:48] <somiaj> crestfallen: if you logout of gnome and go back to the display manager, and logback in, login(1) is called, and the groups are updated.
• 2558[22:17:55] <jhutchins> crestfallen: Fix that.
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• 2560[22:18:14] <crestfallen> fix it?
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• 2562[22:18:16] <somiaj> crestfallen: you can also just run login or 'su - username' in the shell to get a login with the updated groups.
• 2563[22:18:36] <sandra24xi> i get command not found for adduser
• 2564[22:18:40] <jhutchins> crestfallen: Fix whatever is causing the session to persist.
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• 2567[22:19:04] <sponix> crestfallen: for just basic vm play virtualbox is fine. proxmox is essentially more like a VMware ESXi type setup where the host doesn't do much of anything except host the VM's
• 2568[22:19:13] <sandra24xi> crestfallen, i did install gnome as well yes
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• 2570[22:19:41] <sponix> crestfallen: so you managed to get Debian 10 installed and semi-functional ?
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• 2572[22:20:16] <crestfallen> cool, for me the take-away was that background processes potentially cause issues, if not in this case.
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• 2576[22:21:45] <sandra24xi> i installed debian 10, maybe i shouldn' have ?
• 2577[22:21:52] <crestfallen> sponix, yeah I'm writing from the machine. I tried to install antiX (tiny debian derivative) and was getting the same firmware errors. then found out it was the video card unrecognized.
• 2578[22:21:57] <sponix> crestfallen: replaced-url
• 2579[22:22:43] <saptech> sandra24xi, read this link, replaced-url
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• 2581[22:23:19] <jhutchins> sandra24xi: It's the official stable relese. What makes you think you shouldn't have installed it?
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• 2583[22:24:19] <sandra24xi> i read that there is a bug with this sudo thing
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• 2585[22:24:44] <crestfallen> sponix did you go the luks route?
• 2586[22:25:15] <jhutchins> sandra24xi: run the groups command, make sure you're in the group.
• 2587[22:25:17] <sandra24xi> thanks saptech but even the first line isn't working: apt-get update : Could not open lock file
• 2588[22:25:43] <sponix> crestfallen: lol... I don't encrypt anything
• 2589[22:25:52] <jhutchins> sandra24xi: That says either there's another process using it, or something crashed and left a lock file.
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• 2591[22:26:32] <sponix> crestfallen: All I store is Movie Media, and Porn. Neither of require encryption IMHO
• 2592[22:26:39] <sandra24xi> it's a brand new install
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• 2594[22:27:17] <boktan> hello all i have a question i want to try this crunch for example i want to make asd1@gmail.com i want that crunch creates new list but change just the number on the mail also asd2@gmail.com asd3@gmail.com etc... how to do it?
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• 2596[22:27:49] <sponix> crestfallen: my rig -> replaced-url
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• 2599[22:29:21] <jhutchins> sandra24xi: Can you confirm that your user is in the sudo group? Can you confirm that you're using the user password, not the root password?
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• 2601[22:29:43] <crestfallen> sponix way over my head except the photos..
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• 2603[22:29:56] <caterfxo> hi, is the #dash channel connected with #debian at all?
• 2604[22:31:03] <sandra24xi> jhutchins, i don't think my user is in the sudo group, when i do sudo first i tried my root password, does'nt work, tried user, works but ssys not in sudoer list
• 2605[22:31:06] <crestfallen> sponix oh yeah I had you confused with another member talking about luks partition encryption.
• 2606[22:31:11] <jhutchins> caterfxo: No, dash is an upstream, stand-alone project. Doesn't look like there's much to the channel.
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• 2608[22:31:27] <crestfallen> leading to my question:
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• 2610[22:31:48] <jhutchins> sandra24xi: So did you use adduser or vigr to add it?
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• 2612[22:32:08] <jhutchins> sandra24xi: You can also use usermod +G
• 2613[22:32:09] <crestfallen> can I install luks and set up the partition(s) easily, after the fact of my fresh buster install?
• 2614[22:32:50] <crestfallen> I want a sinister encrypted partition for little squirmy vm's
• 2615[22:32:53] <caterfxo> jhutchins: ok. yeah, the topic was set to something ..downright anti-dashian!
• 2616[22:32:59] <sandra24xi> jhutchins, when i tried adduser user sudo i was told command not found
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• 2618[22:33:05] <caterfxo> jhutchins: tx
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• 2620[22:33:17] <crestfallen> anyone?
• 2621[22:33:34] <jhutchins> crestfallen: I believe luks creates an empty partition, I don't think there's an encrypt-in-place option.
• 2622[22:33:50] <sponix> crestfallen: to my knowledge if you are doing the root of the os with crypto that = re-install
• 2623[22:34:24] <sponix> crestfallen: if you split your home off.. you could likely unmount that partition, crypto it and put it back in place with a little effort
• 2624[22:34:30] <sandra24xi> vigr commant not found as well
• 2625[22:34:46] <sponix> sandra24xi: you are just havinga hell of a day aye ?
• 2626[22:35:34] <sandra24xi> sponix, hell of a dayS ... it's a recurrent issue with debian, each install the sudo thing doesn't work
• 2627[22:36:03] <sponix> sandra24xi: ... yeah, but it is normally like a 5 minute fix :)
• 2628[22:36:12] <jhutchins> sandra24xi: Sorry to blame the user, but it's got to be something you're doing.
• 2629[22:36:18] <crestfallen> jhutchins, since I cannot quite follow kind sponix 's advice, what you say sounds like it can be done after the install
• 2630[22:36:45] <jhutchins> sandra24xi: I don't know if vigr is part of the standard install, but you do need to be root to adinister users.
• 2631[22:36:55] <sponix> replaced-url
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• 2633[22:37:17] <jhutchins> crestfallen: You can encrypt a blank partition, but I don't believe you can encrypt what's already installed.
• 2634[22:37:32] <sponix> sandra24xi: literally all you have to do is: usermod -aG sudo yourUserName
• 2635[22:37:48] <jhutchins> crestfallen: I know a few years back the encryption process included zeroing the disk.
• 2636[22:38:01] <crestfallen> ok so I cannot create a partition now to encrypt (which has always been a daunting task) jhutchins
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• 2638[22:38:11] <sandra24xi> jhutchins, i didn't do anything, i installed debian, during the install was asked for root password, gave one, then asked for user password gave one. Looged in to debia with user, tried to do sudo apt to install riot , not working, same thing severaldays ago with a new install tried to install ejabberd no luck
• 2639[22:38:21] <sandra24xi> sponix, let me try...
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• 2641[22:38:46] <jhutchins> sandra24xi: Ok, if you give the root password, the user is not in the sudo group (which you've seen).
• 2642[22:38:50] <sandra24xi> sponix, usermod not found
• 2643[22:38:54] <jhutchins> sandra24xi: The lock file issue is different.
• 2644[22:39:04] <jhutchins> sandra24xi: Are you trying to run these as root?
• 2645[22:39:24] <crestfallen> sorry is that the same as a zero-fill ?
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• 2647[22:39:30] * sponix checks his bare Debian 10 install
• 2648[22:39:30] <sandra24xi> no i am user and tried usermod -aG sudo user
• 2649[22:39:38] <jhutchins> credProbably. Writes zeros to all blocks.
• 2650[22:39:55] <sponix> sandra24xi: you must be root with the # prompt to run that
• 2651[22:40:06] <jhutchins> sandra24xi: Any user or system administration has to be done as root or with sudo.
• 2652[22:40:08] <sponix> sandra24xi: log out of your regular user, and in as root
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• 2656[22:40:21] <sponix> sandra24xi: then run it
• 2657[22:40:22] <jhutchins> sandra24xi: So what you need to do is become root with "su -" and root's password.
• 2658[22:40:24] <crestfallen> that sounds like a barren and creepy process.
• 2659[22:40:33] <jhutchins> sponix: You should not log in to a GUI as root.
• 2660[22:40:55] <crestfallen> sandra24xi, use $ su
• 2661[22:40:57] <jhutchins> crestfallen: Current documentation is likely to be a much better source than I am.
• 2662[22:40:59] <sponix> jhutchins: lol, I thought this was a headless rig and he was at a console -- my bad :)
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• 2664[22:41:17] <jhutchins> crestfallen: You won't have root's path unless you use "su -".
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• 2666[22:41:43] <sandra24xi> ok su - is the only thing that worked so far
• 2667[22:41:50] <crestfallen> oh yeah that's it sandra24xi
• 2668[22:41:54] * sponix drops out seeing there are way to many cooks in the kitchen
• 2669[22:42:03] <sponix> crestfallen: you good on everything ?
• 2670[22:42:07] <jhutchins> sandra24xi: Now you should have access to vigr and adduser.
• 2671[22:42:09] <sandra24xi> let me try to add user in sudo
• 2672[22:42:22] <sponix> jhutchins: and usermod .. and everything else :)
• 2673[22:42:23] <crestfallen> thanks sponix yeah I'm going to get in all sorts of trouble today :)
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• 2675[22:43:06] <sandra24xi> ok usermod -aG sudo user worked as well
• 2676[22:43:28] <sponix> sandra24xi: log out of your GUI, and back into it
• 2677[22:43:47] <sponix> sandra24xi: all your sudo apt update and other admin functions should work at this point
• 2678[22:44:26] <jhutchins> There might still be a lock file for apt/dpkg.
• 2679[22:44:54] <jhutchins> ... although no, that was "unable to open file" as a regular user, expected.
• 2680[22:45:29] <sandra24xi> sudo apt working so far
• 2681[22:45:37] <jhutchins> ++
• 2682[22:45:49] <sponix> now you can set the world on fire
• 2683[22:45:53] <sponix> congrats
• 2684[22:46:52] <sandra24xi> thanks, riot is being installed :D
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• 2686[22:47:50] <jhutchins> sandra24xi: If you don't give a root password when installing, the installer will set sudo up for the user you create.
• 2687[22:48:38] <jhutchins> sandra24xi: I don't recommend that, I think a root password is an important rescue/troubleshooting tool, and there are ways sudo fails to preserve root permissions if you're doing a multi-step command that can be confusing.
• 2688[22:48:40] <sandra24xi> that's the thing i did give a root password, so something isn't getting considered during the graphical install
• 2689[22:49:23] <jhutchins> sandra24xi: No, that's the way it's supposed to work. root password = no sudo, no root password = auto sudo.
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• 2691[22:49:52] <jhutchins> sandra24xi: A lot of people just log in to a console as root or use su -
• 2692[22:50:08] <jhutchins> sandra24xi: In a secure environment where root can't ssh in, I tend to use sudo -i.
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• 2694[22:50:36] <sandra24xi> oh so i shouldn't have entered a root password you saying ?
• 2695[22:50:40] <jhutchins> (Although I guess I could use su - after I connect... Have to test it.)
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• 2697[22:51:06] <jhutchins> sandra24xi: Yes, you should, but then you have the added chore of adding the user to the group before you can use it.
• 2698[22:51:44] <sandra24xi> ok i got it makes sense now
• 2699[22:52:11] <jhutchins> n to the next question!
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• 2701[22:52:49] <sponix> jhutchins: think last I checked root login through ssh is still allowed "by default" lol
• 2702[22:53:27] <jhutchins> sponix: Depends on distro/release. Last I checked the live image didn't allow it.
• 2703[22:53:53] <jhutchins> sponix: For me it's a question of whether it works at my job, where it's always disabled.
• 2704[22:54:05] <crestfallen> hi is the broadcast ip address the same as "internal ip"
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• 2706[22:54:49] <jhutchins> crestfallen: It's the address of the subnet.
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• 2710[22:55:50] <crestfallen> ok thanks..
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• 2724[23:00:33] <crestfallen> jhutchins, a bit confused. netmask is likey to be 255.255.255.0 .. and broadcast is mask? I know my mask is 255.255.255.128
• 2725[23:00:44] <crestfallen> likely*
• 2726[23:01:08] <jhutchins> !interfaces
• 2727[23:01:08] <dpkg> Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. replaced-url
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• 2731[23:03:54] <crestfallen> none of the numbers my sys admin gave me are in that file. I was working in there recently.
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• 2735[23:05:23] <crestfallen> it's like allow-hotplug eno1 iface lo inet loopback and auto lo. that's it
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• 2738[23:06:15] <crestfallen> jhutchins, so I'm confused how to discern what broadcast is
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• 2741[23:07:13] <crestfallen> this is to set up a bridge in kvm (example: br1)
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• 2746[23:10:18] <crestfallen> also the example in the man page includes the numbers for address and gateway, under the 'iface' listings
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• 2751[23:13:17] <crestfallen> anyone know if broadcast address for the network has alternative names?
• 2752[23:13:32] <crestfallen> the man page is like a Tolstoy novel
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• 2756[23:16:11] <crestfallen> ok I think I don't need it. it's for 'all nodes in the network'
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• 2775[23:35:37] <anoncon> replaced-url
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• 2808[23:57:01] <jhutchins> creat: A broadcast packet is sent to all of the hosts in the subnet. It's used for things like discovering ghe dhcp server.
• 2809[23:57:28] <jhutchins> cSorry, that was for crestfallen, who appears to have left.
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