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0 [00:00:30] <GenTooMan> petn-randall well anyhow thanks? LOL
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4 [00:03:54] <kadiro> wow first time i see someone in irc have dvb device except me
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11 [00:12:43] <GenTooMan> kadiro I use it for 24MHz-1700MHz instead of DVB digital FM for example or HAM or looking at 868MHz range.
12 [00:13:13] <kadiro> cool
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14 [00:13:26] <kadiro> Mine is dvb-s
15 [00:13:53] <kadiro> GenTooMan, can dvb-t catch the FM?
16 [00:14:31] <kadiro> I mean any dvb-t
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21 [00:18:36] <GenTooMan> you have to use a different antennae 87.5 108MHz according to EN 302 018 which is lower than DVB-T which is EN 302 296 174MHz - 230MHz 470MHz - 790MHz
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23 [00:19:42] <kadiro> GenTooMan, ah nice, thanks
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25 [00:21:54] <GenTooMan> kadiro if you want a reference replaced-url
26 [00:22:25] <GenTooMan> kadiro that should give you the entire European spectrum used
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28 [00:22:46] <kadiro> thank you very much
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33 [00:24:27] <GenTooMan> kadiro you can tune the entire range using GQRX you do need to change your receiver element (antennae) depending on the frequency. GQRX is in debian sd gqrx-sdr.
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36 [00:25:57] <senecaty> im wiping a usb stick with cat /dev/zero > /dev/sdb, but it hangs my terminal after emitting `No space left on device`
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38 [00:26:24] <kadiro> GenTooMan, gotcha, It will be my first time using dvb-t
39 [00:26:33] <senecaty> CTRL-C does not end the cat process
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43 [00:27:21] <kadiro> senecaty, I think using dd in that case is much better
44 [00:27:23] <ratrace> senecaty: it'll finish. kernel is buffering writes and reporting finished sooner than it actually wrote to the device, and since usb is slow, it has to catch up
45 [00:28:41] <ratrace> dd with conv=sync and a reasonable block size (say 128k) will show status closer to the real time truth
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48 [00:29:33] <ratrace> conv=fdatasync I mean
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51 [00:32:01] <oxek> on debian, does systemd fully replace cron?
52 [00:32:31] <kadiro> it has timer
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57 [00:40:16] <pedahzur> If there is a better place to ask this, please point me there. :) I'm trying to create a repo (with reprepro) and sign it. I'm signing it with a key with signature FFFFB3557. On the system accessing the new repository, `apt-key list` shows a key imported with signature FFFB 3557. However, when I run apt-get update, I get "InRelease: The following signatures were invalid: 347D7D44139452B2214B771EC0C819FFFFFB3557" That's obviously the
58 [00:40:18] <pedahzur> key I signed it with, and that key is imported. So, if it has the key imported, why is the signature (which appears correct) invalid? What is the best way to go about troubleshooting this? Pointers to docs welcome. :)
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62 [00:42:49] <somiaj> There might not be many here who understand the details of creating a signed repo. You may want to ask on the mailing list (though unsre which one is most appropriate) replaced-url
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64 [00:43:06] <somiaj> pedahzur: you could also check out the channels on irc.oftc.net replaced-url
65 [00:43:26] <pedahzur> somiaj: Thanks!
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67 [00:45:04] <somiaj> the debian-custom mailing list looks promising (Developing common infrastructure for custom Debian distributions) -- since this might be something common a distribution has to do
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73 [00:50:54] <pedahzur> somiaj: I appreciate it! #debian-apt on irc.oftc.net looks like it might be a good place, but it's a small channel. I posted there. Might try a mailing list next if I don't hear back.
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82 [00:54:34] <somiaj> pedahzur: yea, some questions are just better asked on the mailing list, with a wat.
83 [00:54:37] <somiaj> wait
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115 [01:13:29] <Kobaz> soooo, having an order-of-operations problem with ldconfig
116 [01:13:47] <Kobaz> i have 00_postgres.conf in /etc/ld.so.conf.d
117 [01:14:16] <Kobaz> and when ldconfig is running, it puts /usr/lib etc in the cache first, even though 00 is first... is there another way to do ordering?
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127 [01:17:48] <Kobaz> looks like putting in /etc/ld.so.conf file works instead of using /etc/ld.so.conf.d/
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132 [01:19:26] <Kobaz> oh duh. /etc/ld.so.conf was missing entirely... so in include *.conf
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158 [01:49:59] <oxek> is it possible to do the almost-full-disk-encryption after debian has been installed unencrypted? Like how Truecrypt/BitLocker do it on windows?
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162 [01:51:08] <oxek> all the online guides cover only removable media or additional drives added to the system
163 [01:51:19] <oxek> none cover encrypting the unencrypted system drive
164 [01:52:30] <ZaZaGX> i asked the same thing last time
165 [01:52:47] <ZaZaGX> i just formatted and enable it on the new install of debian
166 [01:52:52] <whislock> That's the best way to do it.
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169 [01:53:23] <ZaZaGX> the easiest too
170 [01:53:35] <oxek> yes, that would be the best way, but if windows can do it, then why couldn't linux (debian) do it?
171 [01:54:07] <somiaj> They might be able to, but often times with encryption, doing things a poor way won't have tools
172 [01:54:24] <somiaj> just like why the installer does a full wipe of the deive before setting up the encryption, it is needed for security
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176 [01:56:30] <oxek> somiaj: I think I get what you mean
177 [01:56:34] <oxek> there's no nice tool for it
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179 [01:56:54] <oxek> so the only way to do it would be copy files away to some temporary storage, encrypt the system drive, copy files back
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182 [01:57:20] <oxek> btw doing a full wipe of an empty drive is pointless
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195 [02:11:03] <shibboleth> anyone know if ub will force netplan in upcoming lts?
196 [02:11:09] <shibboleth> whether...
197 [02:11:13] <shibboleth> whatever
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199 [02:16:15] <whislock> shibboleth: Ub?
200 [02:16:39] <wxb> ubuntu?
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202 [02:16:51] <whislock> Given that this is #debian, I assumed it would be something on-topic.
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204 [02:17:11] <wxb> ubster?
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207 [02:18:46] <shibboleth> yeah, well. i'm asking here
208 [02:18:51] <shibboleth> ub chan being coy about it
209 [02:18:56] <shibboleth> as usual
210 [02:19:07] <whislock> shibboleth: This is #debian. Why you'd ask about !Debian here is a mystery.
211 [02:19:26] <wxb> shibboleth, Did you try ##linux?
212 [02:19:39] <shibboleth> yeah. i thought we all secretly did not trust them. they are not replying, what are they forking this time?
213 [02:20:07] <whislock> !offtopic
214 [02:20:07] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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216 [02:22:28] <shibboleth> yes, i'm very much looking forward to get away from ub
217 [02:22:35] <shibboleth> i'm asking a quick question
218 [02:22:40] <shibboleth> you know the answer?
219 [02:23:19] <whislock> shibboleth: Your question is irrelevant to this channel. Please respect everyone else in this channel and take your question to somewhere that it belongs, such as #ubuntu or #ubuntu-social.
220 [02:23:27] <wxb> Nope, but Debian would be a great choice!
221 [02:23:29] <whislock> If anyone here cared about Ubuntu, we'd be there.
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225 [02:24:15] <dvs> just kidding
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227 [02:24:19] <shibboleth> i retract the question
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229 [02:24:25] <shibboleth> they did not want to answer
230 [02:24:28] <shibboleth> that's all
231 [02:24:33] <mutante> shibboleth: try a mailing list
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237 [02:26:23] <amex_dmz> hi folks!
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249 [02:36:42] <TESTED123> hey. im having problems with grub. From one moment to another grub stoped botting my sdc drive
250 [02:37:03] <TESTED123> i can see all the partitions of the debian machine only grub doesnt recgnozite
251 [02:37:33] <TESTED123> when i type HD and then tab , it doesnt appear HD2 as it should
252 [02:37:50] <TESTED123> fdisk,lsblk,blkid,parted -lm, etc all recnogize sdc
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254 [02:39:36] <kadiro> better to use UUID rather than sdx
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257 [02:39:46] <TESTED123> yes i use it
258 [02:39:48] <TESTED123> :)
259 [02:40:01] <TESTED123> ah on booting ?
260 [02:40:13] <TESTED123> instead of HD0 for instance?
261 [02:40:17] <kadiro> In grub to find your sdx
262 [02:40:28] <TESTED123> isnt that HD0 for instance?
263 [02:40:38] <TESTED123> i used the tab trick, and ls, but it wont rechnoize the drive
264 [02:41:04] <kadiro> that can change if the bios change booting order from what i understand
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266 [02:41:09] <TESTED123> how can i copy paste the uuid into grub console?
267 [02:41:31] <TESTED123> i didnt change the bios setup i think
268 [02:41:35] <kadiro> wait, it didn't recognize it in grub?
269 [02:41:42] <TESTED123> yeah it wont recognize it
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271 [02:42:03] <kadiro> did you try to use another usb port?
272 [02:42:04] <TESTED123> say invalid cylinder ,sectors etc
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274 [02:42:11] <kadiro> ah
275 [02:42:40] <TESTED123> another usb port ?? i guess i could do that, ive always had problems with one of my usb ports
276 [02:42:43] <kadiro> I think that's a problem of the usb itself not the grub
277 [02:42:54] <TESTED123> ok then i must reboot right?
278 [02:43:01] <TESTED123> and change the usb port of the drive right?
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280 [02:43:12] <kadiro> yeah that doesn't hurt :)
281 [02:43:15] <TESTED123> ok
282 [02:43:18] <TESTED123> brb
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289 [02:49:31] <TESTED123> hey..it worked thanks :) how did you know it was the usb thign?
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294 [02:51:22] <kadiro> TESTED123, just a kind of guess :)
295 [02:51:31] <TESTED123> hehe ok thnks mate
296 [02:51:33] <TESTED123> :)
297 [02:51:44] <kadiro> You're welcome
298 [02:52:20] <rue_mohr> can I load a kernel module to get /proc/config.gz ?
299 [02:52:42] <petn-randall> rue_mohr: IIRC it's a compile time setting, I might be wrong though.
300 [02:52:59] <rue_mohr> I dont know if it can be done as a module
301 [02:53:08] <rue_mohr> not in the default debain kernel
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304 [02:56:28] <rue_mohr> oh, config is left in /boot
305 [02:56:30] <rue_mohr> hah
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353 [03:43:41] <crestfallen> hi just installed buster finally. Had huge troubles figuring out I needed firmware for an advanced video card on the machine. anyway...
354 [03:45:19] <crestfallen> now I need help setting up wired internet. I have ip, mask router and 2 DNS servers written down by our sys admin. how do I - precisely - do it from the cli?
355 [03:45:43] <crestfallen> thanks
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358 [03:48:08] <FukAllSpics> I AM THE KING OF THE WORLD
359 [03:48:10] <FukAllSpics> FUCK ALL SPICS
360 [03:48:30] <FukAllSpics> NIGGERS FUCK KANGAROOS
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363 [03:50:28] <rue_mohr> crestfallen,
364 [03:50:33] <rue_mohr> pump -i eth0
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366 [03:52:09] <crestfallen> rue_mohr: I need to switch back to the machine. I'm on a mac now to use the chatroom. could you just walk me through it beginning with pump -i ethO ? thanks
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368 [03:52:40] <rue_mohr> yea, type pump -i eth0 then your on the network
369 [03:53:00] <rue_mohr> :)
370 [03:53:09] <crestfallen> that's an uppercase 'O' right? rue_mohr
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373 [03:53:18] <rue_mohr> zero
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375 [03:53:44] <rue_mohr> (but yes, its an uppercase zero)
376 [03:54:11] <crestfallen> lol so when I use that command it will prompt me for all the fields? rue_mohr
377 [03:54:23] <crestfallen> mask etc?
378 [03:54:26] <rue_mohr> no it'll dhcp you to the network
379 [03:54:55] <rue_mohr> cause its the 90's and people use dhcp now
380 [03:55:34] <crestfallen> that would be so sweet if it were true. I hope I didn't screw up anything trying to configure manually. ok please stand by if you're still around in like 10 minutes if I have problems. thanks kindly
381 [03:55:37] <crestfallen> rue_mohr:
382 [03:55:51] <rue_mohr> I'm always
383 [03:55:57] <crestfallen> cool
384 [03:56:03] <rue_mohr> if I'm not here, I'm in #avr and #robotics
385 [03:56:12] <crestfallen> ok
386 [03:56:29] <MyNickSucks> i have a ten foot long dong
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389 [03:56:54] <rue_mohr> I see spam didn't become a thing of the past
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391 [03:57:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o petn-randall
392 [03:57:05] *** petn-randall sets mode: +q *!*@198.98.61.83
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395 [03:57:22] <dvs> !confuse rue_mohr
396 [03:57:22] <dpkg> No, how is their badger yesterday, rue_mohr? Trousers of the Monarchy of Mongolia with extra crabpaste.
397 [03:57:36] <rue_mohr> is this still all comming from that one pissed off guy in charge of .... whatever that thing is goat-something
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401 [03:58:32] <rue_mohr> what was his name, mohammed?
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404 [03:58:55] <rue_mohr> ugh, anyhow, you have to give it to him/them for persistance
405 [03:59:01] <petn-randall> rue_mohr: No need to comment on spam. It's best to not give them any attention.
406 [03:59:18] <rue_mohr> its just bots anyhow, they wont get off on attention
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408 [04:00:17] <rue_mohr> crc_ccitt_table hmm, must be a kernel option
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411 [04:01:36] <rue_mohr> CONFIG_CRC_CCITT=m
412 [04:01:41] <rue_mohr> huh
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417 [04:05:35] <crestfallen> rue_mohr: command not found
418 [04:05:48] <crestfallen> this is a brand new install
419 [04:06:00] <rue_mohr> hmm
420 [04:06:03] <rue_mohr> awkward
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423 [04:06:08] <rue_mohr> you need network access to install it
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425 [04:06:20] <rue_mohr> ok, what ip / netmask did the admin give you?
426 [04:06:22] <Arrowmaster> very awkward replaced-url
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430 [04:06:50] <crestfallen> not awkward on my end I really appreciate the help
431 [04:06:57] <TenFootLongDong> my weiner is ten feet long
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435 [04:07:24] <rue_mohr> the only way to solve it is with a 10' bbq
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437 [04:07:34] <rue_mohr> crestfallen, what did the admin give ya?
438 [04:07:54] <crestfallen> you want the ip and mask exactly?
439 [04:08:12] <rue_mohr> hmm, I suppose I dont need it
440 [04:08:19] <rue_mohr> so, run...
441 [04:08:33] <rue_mohr> wait, before I do this manually, anyone know how to use dhclient?
442 [04:08:35] <Arrowmaster> if its a basic install you can edit /etc/network/interfaces
443 [04:08:50] <rue_mohr> or that
444 [04:09:13] <crestfallen> I was in that earlier , the interfaces file. what should be in there exactly?
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446 [04:09:18] <LanDi> replaced-url
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448 [04:09:30] <rue_mohr> crestfallen,
449 [04:09:31] <LanDi> can someone help me with this ^
450 [04:09:49] <rue_mohr> crestfallen, lets do this route
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453 [04:09:58] <LanDi> I can not get my mysql.service running and I dont know why
454 [04:10:06] <rue_mohr> ipconfig -a
455 [04:10:13] <rue_mohr> there will be two entries
456 [04:10:19] <petn-randall> LanDi: I'd check the mysql logs why the startup is failing.
457 [04:10:33] <rue_mohr> haha
458 [04:10:36] <rue_mohr> ifconfig -a
459 [04:10:48] <petn-randall> windows user detected ;)
460 [04:11:10] <rue_mohr> there will be two entries, lo and something else, hopefully eth0, but maybe soemthing like ataipifatapi0
461 [04:11:36] <rue_mohr> cause, as soon as the door was opened to change interface names, everyone got stupid
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463 [04:12:03] <rue_mohr> what is the NON lo one called
464 [04:12:05] <crestfallen> ipconfig is deprecated isn't it?
465 [04:12:14] <rue_mohr> I should hope so, use ifconfig
466 [04:12:41] <petn-randall> ipconfig is a windows tool. ifconfig is "deprecated", and the newer tool is `ip`.
467 [04:13:04] <rue_mohr> petn-randall, no, dont tell me they are using a totally different option format too...
468 [04:13:24] <crestfallen> yep, neither ifconfig nor ip has worked. I've been working for hours..
469 [04:13:25] <rue_mohr> every since they ditched nslookup I cant lookup name records
470 [04:13:36] <petn-randall> hahahaha
471 [04:13:37] <rue_mohr> crestfallen, were you root when you ran it?
472 [04:13:41] <crestfallen> yeah
473 [04:13:53] <rue_mohr> hmm, your missing a few packages
474 [04:14:01] <rue_mohr> did you install from cd?
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476 [04:14:19] <crestfallen> what about firing up wifi from the cli ?
477 [04:14:25] <rue_mohr> no
478 [04:14:28] <rue_mohr> did you install from cd?
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480 [04:14:43] <crestfallen> netinst.iso on a usb
481 [04:14:50] <rue_mohr> ok
482 [04:14:53] <rue_mohr> still have it?
483 [04:14:58] <crestfallen> yep
484 [04:15:15] <rue_mohr> erm, just a sec, try dhclient
485 [04:15:20] <rue_mohr> tell me if it knows that one
486 [04:15:39] <crestfallen> I think not. very sorry almost certain I tried to run it
487 [04:15:58] <crestfallen> I'll try again if you could stand by ...
488 [04:16:01] <rue_mohr> interesting
489 [04:16:08] <rue_mohr> ok, lets try this
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491 [04:16:12] <rue_mohr> ls /dev/eth*
492 [04:16:16] <rue_mohr> does it list anything?
493 [04:16:24] <crestfallen> ok give me 7 minutes
494 [04:16:45] <LanDi> petn-randall, there is no logs since it's not even started
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496 [04:17:12] <rue_mohr> where...
497 [04:17:36] <rue_mohr> well how the heck does he know what the interface is called if
498 [04:19:15] <petn-randall> LanDi: Which OS and MySQL release is this?
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503 [04:20:49] <crestfallen> rue_mohr: no such file or directory
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505 [04:21:04] <rue_mohr> yea, I lost ya, it doesn't do that
506 [04:21:15] <crestfallen> pardon?
507 [04:21:19] <rue_mohr> ok, what do you have in /etc/network/interfaces now?
508 [04:21:30] <crestfallen> 6 minutes....
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512 [04:22:21] <rue_mohr> should look like auto lo ... auto eth0
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529 [04:35:01] <crestfallen> rue_mohr: replaced-url
530 [04:35:36] <oxek> can someone please report a small bug for me?
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532 [04:36:18] <oxek> `man adjtime` reads "...from hwckock(8) man page." it should say hwclock(8)
533 [04:36:52] <petn-randall> oxek: You can easily report it with `reportbug`.
534 [04:37:06] <oxek> petn-randall: reportbug requires a working email address which I do not have
535 [04:37:31] <crestfallen> plus a bunch of commented line
536 [04:37:32] <crestfallen> s
537 [04:38:00] <rue_mohr> crestfallen, heh
538 [04:38:04] <rue_mohr> its missing one line
539 [04:38:09] <rue_mohr> well
540 [04:38:19] <rue_mohr> change allow-hotplug to auto
541 [04:38:21] <crestfallen> sorry that last line is iface eno1 ...
542 [04:38:27] <petn-randall> oxek: Not really, though in other cases it would make follow-up questions impossible.
543 [04:38:35] <rue_mohr> and reboot :)
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545 [04:38:45] <crestfallen> * iface eno1 inet dhcp
546 [04:38:57] <oxek> petn-randall: Can you share a link to a guide on how to use reportbug to submit a bugreport without using an email address?
547 [04:38:59] <crestfallen> ok will do . more drama soon... thanks
548 [04:39:01] <oxek> if that works, then I'll do it
549 [04:39:09] <rue_mohr> crestfallen, change 'allow-hotplug' to 'auto'
550 [04:39:23] <crestfallen> auto eno1 right?
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552 [04:39:33] <rue_mohr> yes
553 [04:39:36] <crestfallen> copy
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557 [04:40:01] <petn-randall> oxek: IIRC you can't just add a bogus mail address. It never gets checked.
558 [04:40:07] <petn-randall> *can
559 [04:40:34] <rue_mohr> ok, I can, lets see
560 [04:40:37] <oxek> petn-randall: but reportbug uses sendmail to send the bugreport, no? so it needs smtp and all that stuff
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562 [04:41:03] <petn-randall> oxek: No, it talks straight to the BTS servers.
563 [04:41:21] <petn-randall> (though you can configure it to go through your MTA).
564 [04:41:23] <rue_mohr> petn-randall, I need help here
565 [04:41:25] <somiaj> But if you don't use a real email address, you won't get any updates to the bug. You can manually check for some, but it does make it harder for the matainer to actually reply to the bug and get more info.
566 [04:41:29] <rue_mohr> using repor.... wait a min
567 [04:41:39] <oxek> petn-randall: news to me, I'll give it a try, thanks!
568 [04:41:56] <rue_mohr> ok, thought it wanted to remove my kernel to install reportbug ;)
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570 [04:42:29] <petn-randall> oxek: You're welcome! If it fails, let me know and I'll file the bugreport.
571 [04:42:50] <rue_mohr> oxek, hey
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573 [04:43:04] <rue_mohr> you got it?
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577 [04:50:17] <crestfallen> rue_mohr: dang no good. anything else you could suggest?
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579 [04:52:05] <crestfallen> I did an update and a reboot. during the reboot I got a funny message: "A start job is running for Raise Network Interfaces [time counter]"
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582 [04:52:36] <rue_mohr> huh
583 [04:52:46] <rue_mohr> did you change the network adapter after your install?
584 [04:53:32] <crestfallen> uh, I was screwing around with some settings for certain. but it seemed they didn't stick
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587 [04:54:00] <rue_mohr> but you didn not change the physical network card since the install
588 [04:54:02] <rue_mohr> right?
589 [04:54:13] <crestfallen> no
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591 [04:54:47] <crestfallen> there's a question mark where the wifi icon normally is
592 [04:55:13] <rue_mohr> ok, lets start guessing
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595 [04:56:00] <crestfallen> one other thing, this is a secure university network. the sys admin gave me the ip and mask etc. to be entered manually I think.
596 [04:56:09] <rue_mohr> in /etc/network/interfaces change 'eno1' to 'eth0', if that doesn't work, try 'eno0'
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600 [04:56:25] <rue_mohr> hmm
601 [04:56:36] <rue_mohr> it would be quite odd if they aren't running a dhcp server
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603 [04:57:26] <crestfallen> you know when debian installer asks you to enter the ip etc when you're setting up and selecting partitions, etc
604 [04:57:47] <crestfallen> the initial set up
605 [04:57:57] <rue_mohr> mhm, well it would usualyl save that
606 [04:58:13] <crestfallen> should I try your above suggestions?
607 [04:58:34] <rue_mohr> see, our problem is that you dont ahve net-tools installed
608 [04:58:46] <coruja> crestfallen, you mentioned a wifi icon, which software provides that?
609 [04:58:57] <rue_mohr> yea I dont do gui
610 [04:59:07] <crestfallen> gnome
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612 [04:59:21] <crestfallen> on my home machine I also have buster
613 [04:59:30] <coruja> so probably networkmanager
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615 [05:00:00] <crestfallen> so I can't get the uni's wifi from the command line?
616 [05:00:18] <crestfallen> to install whatever I need?
617 [05:00:27] <rue_mohr> wifi from command line is excessive typing
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621 [05:00:58] <coruja> crestfallen, if a gui tool is already running, why not use it?
622 [05:01:27] <crestfallen> what do you mean a gui tool? I mentioned the desktop env.
623 [05:01:33] <crestfallen> gnome
624 [05:01:37] <coruja> and btw, networkmanager also has a cli
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627 [05:02:17] <crestfallen> sorry, don't follow. what should I try next?
628 [05:02:18] <coruja> have you already tried to (right or left) click on that 'wifi icon'?
629 [05:02:56] <crestfallen> no there's a question mark where the wifi icon normally is on a set up (my home's for example) system
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631 [05:03:35] <crestfallen> there's nothing where there is normally wifi and wired selections
632 [05:03:47] <crestfallen> in the pull down menus
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634 [05:04:15] <coruja> and, just to be sure, you mean really wifi at university and not connecting to an internal network by vpn e.g.?
635 [05:04:52] <crestfallen> yeah we have visitor's wifi and another called AirBears
636 [05:05:04] <coruja> ok
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639 [05:07:52] <crestfallen> so to regress that /etc/network/interfaces file is ok with the edit 'auto eno1' right? that won't haunt me later coruja
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641 [05:08:31] <crestfallen> from 'allow-hotplug' eno1'
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643 [05:09:43] <coruja> i would rather recommend a gui tool, but if you want to follow the interfaces approach, let those help you who have pushed you so far
644 [05:09:59] <crestfallen> oh boy
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646 [05:10:17] <crestfallen> I have no preference, fire away if you have time
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649 [05:11:18] <rue_mohr> I got nowhere
650 [05:11:29] <coruja> in network-manager gui, it would be something like 'new connection' dialog where you can set the type of connection and enter details and credentials if needed
651 [05:11:30] <rue_mohr> none of the stuff I need installed is there
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653 [05:12:32] <crestfallen> rue_mohr: pertaining to what endeavor?
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657 [05:13:23] <crestfallen> coruja: but how do I get that package?
658 [05:13:41] <coruja> the package is called network-manager-gnome
659 [05:14:03] <rue_mohr> he has no network, hows he supposed to get a package for setting up networking?
660 [05:14:11] <rue_mohr> he/she/it
661 [05:14:14] <crestfallen> he
662 [05:14:19] <rue_mohr> sure
663 [05:14:30] <crestfallen> try your suggestions above rue_mohr ?
664 [05:14:43] <rue_mohr> I'm not sure
665 [05:15:02] <rue_mohr> the best last clue I can think of, is that for SOME reason, when it rebooted the card moved from 1 to 0
666 [05:15:16] <sponix> we having fun ?
667 [05:15:18] <rue_mohr> in which case eno1 should be eno0
668 [05:15:44] <rue_mohr> but you dont have anything installed to get a list of network devices
669 [05:16:57] <coruja> crestfallen, if you haven't installed without recommends, network-manager-gnome should be installed already (at least it's recommended by task-gnome-desktop)
670 [05:17:33] <sponix> Is everyone in here having network issues... Or just crestfallen ?
671 [05:18:13] <crestfallen> so network-manager-gnome is the command to run?
672 [05:18:35] <crestfallen> if it's there, because I don't think I've tried that yet
673 [05:18:38] <coruja> nm-connection-editor is the dialog i mentioned earlier
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675 [05:18:52] <rue_mohr> sponix, my network isn't fast enough
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677 [05:19:17] <crestfallen> that's another command to run precisely as you posted it coruja ?
678 [05:19:38] <coruja> nm-connection-editor
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680 [05:20:17] <sponix> rue_mohr: If it functions, and it is stable -- even if slow. you are doing better than most
681 [05:20:46] <crestfallen> ok I'll try all the above including rue_mohr 's tip. *thanks kindly for all the help* if I can't get it this time I'll try tomorrow coruja
682 [05:20:51] <rue_mohr> but I used cat7e cable!
683 [05:21:06] <coruja> crestfallen, good luck
684 [05:21:48] <sponix> crestfallen: a backup and re-install might be in order if you have networking function during the install process itself
685 [05:22:17] <rue_mohr> install net-tools before you reboot!
686 [05:22:37] <sponix> rue_mohr: I _really_ think those net-tools should be in the base lol
687 [05:23:20] <rue_mohr> I was surprised after my last install
688 [05:23:45] <rue_mohr> my post-install adjustment lists grows again
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690 [05:23:51] <rue_mohr> and wtf happened to vim!?
691 [05:24:13] <rue_mohr> its like it got zipped back to 2001
692 [05:24:37] <sponix> At least regular vi is there. If they prune it I'll be like screwed
693 [05:24:38] <rue_mohr> backspace doesn't work, redraw problems, ...
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695 [05:25:27] <sponix> I just learned how to finally show an ip with "ip addr" the other day... I was like wtf is ifconfig ?
696 [05:25:45] <rue_mohr> oh no, they went to cisco syntax!?!?!1
697 [05:25:52] <rue_mohr> kill me now
698 [05:26:22] <sponix> I need an "Old person compatibility mode" or something
699 [05:26:42] <sponix> did you know a "rename" command actually exist now ?
700 [05:26:51] <sponix> At least it does in Linux Mint -- No lies
701 [05:27:09] <rue_mohr> maybe someone should write a perl script to abstract
702 [05:27:23] <sponix> bbiab gotta take the wife to work
703 [05:27:40] <rue_mohr> we can put a package on a rouge server cause debain is too insane about people making official packages
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707 [05:31:28] <torchinz> Hi. I am on Debian + Windows dual boot. Can I use veracrypt to encrypt the entire Debian drive? Unlike Windows, I cannot see the option of "Encrypt/Decrypt System Drive" on my Debian partition
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712 [05:33:44] <oxek> petn-randall: reportbug is so complicated, it wants to include all sorts of config files of my system that I want to keep private. I know there are switches, but verifying it all is so much work. I am reporting a typo in a manpage, none of this should be necessary.
713 [05:34:30] <oxek> can you report it for me please?
714 [05:35:23] <oxek> why can't debian have the standard github (or bugzilla or jira etc.) issues?
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723 [05:39:36] <crestfallen> coruja: rue_mohr well yeah I did get into nm-connection-editor earlier today. I wasn't certain how to set the General settings, but went to IPv4 settings and entered the ip, the netmask, the server (router?), and 2 DNS servers separated by a space. I click save, but strangely when I go back the mask only reads '25' instead of '255.255.255.128'
724 [05:40:02] <crestfallen> I got into the editor not with the cli command but through a gui somehow
725 [05:40:16] <rue_mohr> hmm
726 [05:40:46] <crestfallen> also separated by a space becomes a comma after the save on the DNS servers
727 [05:41:29] <rue_mohr> yea, the command line stuff just isnt' erhe for me to help
728 [05:41:31] <crestfallen> so my General settings I didn't touch
729 [05:42:03] <crestfallen> no well I tried to set it up in the gui
730 [05:42:20] <crestfallen> the netmask field is not sticking
731 [05:42:32] <crestfallen> total clusterF
732 [05:43:19] <rue_mohr> yea, if you had net-tools and pump it would be workable
733 [05:43:25] <sponix> crestfallen: most home networks are 192.168.0/1.X with a netmask of 255.255.255.0
734 [05:43:38] <crestfallen> this is a uni sponix
735 [05:43:38] <rue_mohr> its a university network
736 [05:43:46] <sponix> Oh
737 [05:43:55] <crestfallen> what to do I'm pretty burnt
738 [05:44:03] <rue_mohr> crestfallen, ok try this
739 [05:44:09] <crestfallen> yay!
740 [05:44:12] <rue_mohr> boot the install drive back up
741 [05:44:21] <crestfallen> ok
742 [05:44:22] <rue_mohr> and when it comes up, press alt-f1
743 [05:44:30] <rue_mohr> it will give you a command prompt
744 [05:44:40] <crestfallen> comes up?
745 [05:44:42] <rue_mohr> you might have to do it after that bit about the drivers
746 [05:44:50] <rue_mohr> try ifconfig -a
747 [05:44:52] <rue_mohr> and see whats listed
748 [05:45:16] <rue_mohr> we need to know the interface name
749 [05:45:33] <crestfallen> when precisely do I hit alt-f1?
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751 [05:46:18] <rue_mohr> after it starts the first set of install questions
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753 [05:46:26] <rue_mohr> like what keyboard your using
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756 [05:46:50] <rue_mohr> you know the part where it downloads and installs the kernel modules?
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758 [05:46:55] <oxek> rue_mohr: terminal is on Alt F2 and Alt F3, installer is on Alt F1, and log on Alt F4
759 [05:46:55] <rue_mohr> you might need to do it after that
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761 [05:47:10] <rue_mohr> crestfallen, you might want to try alt-f2
762 [05:47:14] <rue_mohr> instead
763 [05:47:19] <rue_mohr> just a hunch...
764 [05:47:36] <crestfallen> ok trying alt F2 now ...
765 [05:47:42] <rue_mohr> no, during the installer
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767 [05:47:53] <rue_mohr> you dont ahve to go thru with an install
768 [05:48:18] <rue_mohr> you just need it to get the installer going so there is a hidden shell you can ask what the flipping network interface is called
769 [05:48:34] <crestfallen> right don't worry I'm on my mac. ok so my installed system will be preserved if I do alt F2
770 [05:48:50] <crestfallen> right?
771 [05:49:04] <rue_mohr> it would not even modify your drive untill its asking about the hard drive partitions
772 [05:49:08] <oxek> crestfallen rue_mohr: might be better to use the rescue option of the installer so that nothing gets accidentally installed
773 [05:49:18] <rue_mohr> which is waaay deep into the installer
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776 [05:49:44] <rue_mohr> oxek, would the rescue have ifconfig ?
777 [05:49:45] <crestfallen> you mean recovery shell oxek ?
778 [05:49:58] <crestfallen> so don't use the recovery shell
779 [05:50:29] <rue_mohr> use either, one of them might have ifconfig
780 [05:50:31] <oxek> rue_mohr: the rescue option has networking, so I'd imagine yes
781 [05:50:40] <sponix> rue_mohr: "ip addr" should list devices the same as ifconfig -a ... thought I just said that earlier ?
782 [05:51:06] <rue_mohr> is ip part of the default install?
783 [05:51:17] <sponix> rue_mohr: Yes
784 [05:51:19] <rue_mohr> oh
785 [05:51:33] <rue_mohr> sponix, help crestfallen find out what his interface names are!
786 [05:51:34] <sponix> Its the "new hotness"
787 [05:52:04] <sponix> rue_mohr: actually if you don't have an issue with my deviant ways -- I'd like to go a different direction entirely
788 [05:52:19] <rue_mohr> wel you go for it
789 [05:52:26] <sponix> crestfallen: you have a working network on your Mac ?
790 [05:52:32] <crestfallen> yeah
791 [05:52:32] <rue_mohr> remember, it takes him 3 minutres to _get_ to the computer he's trying to work on
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793 [05:53:06] <sponix> crestfallen: download the image writing tool from etcher.io (the dmg) for your Mac and Install it
794 [05:53:22] <sponix> crestfallen: You Mac has at least 1 real USB port ?
795 [05:53:35] <oxek> wait what's the issue anyway? Netmask of 25 IS 255.255.255.128
796 [05:54:00] <crestfallen> 25 is an abbreviation ?
797 [05:54:11] <rue_mohr> 25 bits
798 [05:54:18] <oxek> crestfallen: it's a different notation for the same thing
799 [05:54:18] <crestfallen> geez
800 [05:54:19] <rue_mohr> its all 1's from the left
801 [05:54:23] <sponix> crestfallen: /24 = .0 /25 = .128
802 [05:54:44] <rue_mohr> I thoguht he meant 25.255.255.128
803 [05:54:48] <sponix> CIDR is the name of the "notation"
804 [05:54:52] <rue_mohr> aka ui error
805 [05:54:57] <oxek> replaced-url
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807 [05:55:06] <crestfallen> ok so what should I do .. pretty confused
808 [05:56:05] <sponix> crestfallen: Machine you are to run Linux on. Is it ONLY Linux ?
809 [05:56:40] <crestfallen> sponix: yes
810 [05:57:22] <rue_mohr> crestfallen, after all this, install net-tools, ping, pump !!!
811 [05:57:50] <crestfallen> all what?
812 [05:58:10] <rue_mohr> this trouble, after you get the networking going
813 [05:58:30] <crestfallen> let me do the ifconfig -a command
814 [05:58:40] <crestfallen> stand by please
815 [05:58:48] <rue_mohr> you cant, it doesn't have ifconfig
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817 [05:58:54] <sponix> hmm, what a trooper :)
818 [05:59:16] <crestfallen> I don't understand
819 [05:59:17] <sponix> crestfallen: You got a USB stick handy ?
820 [05:59:21] <crestfallen> yeah
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822 [05:59:38] <rue_mohr> follow sponixs instructions
823 [06:00:09] <crestfallen> all ears
824 [06:00:12] <sponix> crestfallen: give me your attention. I will get you up and going on Linux with Networking unless your hardware sucks :)
825 [06:00:24] <crestfallen> ok shoot
826 [06:00:27] * rue_mohr gets popcorn
827 [06:00:32] <sponix> crestfallen: Get that etcher.io USB imaging tool installed on your Mac yet ?
828 [06:00:57] <crestfallen> no, hold on.
829 [06:01:09] <sponix> crestfallen: when you do, pull down this Live USB Installer Image. Burn it to the USB Stick, and boot off of it replaced-url
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832 [06:03:56] <rue_mohr> anyone know why apt-spy is being removed?
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834 [06:04:51] <blow_me> * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * *
835 [06:04:54] <oxek> rue_mohr: because deb.debian.org will always be fastest
836 [06:05:06] <rue_mohr> not if everyone uses it
837 [06:05:20] <rue_mohr> did the fucntionallity move to another package?
838 [06:05:24] <oxek> rue_mohr: it's behind a massive cd, it can handle all debian users
839 [06:05:31] <oxek> s/cd/cdn/
840 [06:05:59] <rue_mohr> nope, I'm mentally picturing a huge CD now, you blew it
841 [06:06:22] <oxek> rue_mohr: well, you can fit all of debian onto a big multilayer blu-ray
842 [06:06:30] <rue_mohr> its 40 feet wide and the room its spinning in looks like a disco
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847 [06:08:22] <crestfallen> sponix: I downloaded the imaging tool, where is it? what the hell is it called?
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851 [06:10:30] <sponix> crestfallen: replaced-url
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854 [06:10:53] <sponix> crestfallen: it should be called that name, and you have to at least double click the dmg for the image to mount, and then run the app
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856 [06:11:42] <sponix> crestfallen: I can make this easy. But probably not Mac user easy... Gonna have to step up your game a lil bit
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860 [06:13:13] <crestfallen> working its not opening on a double click
861 [06:13:31] <blow_me> hi
862 [06:13:37] <sponix> eir: any chance you could k-line blow_me while you are at it ?
863 [06:13:48] <rue_mohr> blow_me, mohammed!
864 [06:13:51] <blow_me> sponix: eir is a bot
865 [06:13:59] <blow_me> it removes expired bans
866 [06:14:06] <blow_me> it does not ban anyone
867 [06:14:11] <blow_me> rue_mohr: what?
868 [06:14:14] <sponix> blow_me: doesn't change my request at all
869 [06:14:22] <blow_me> sponix: im sure it doesnt
870 [06:14:30] <rue_mohr> your still on a mission to destroy freenode?
871 [06:14:38] <blow_me> but the one you gave it to is unable to fulfill it
872 [06:14:54] <blow_me> rue_mohr: my name is not mohammed and i dont destroy anything
873 [06:15:07] <blow_me> just fuck off you islamic piece of shit
874 [06:15:24] <blow_me> * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * *
875 [06:15:46] <rue_mohr> your mohammed from goatcx ?
876 [06:16:11] <blow_me> no
877 [06:16:16] <rue_mohr> the one slamming freenode with all the religious spam
878 [06:16:21] <blow_me> uhm no
879 [06:16:23] <crestfallen> sponix that app doesn't open on the double click
880 [06:16:26] <rue_mohr> casue you have some mission
881 [06:16:40] <oxek> sponix rue_mohr crestfallen do you all realize that editing /etc/network/interfaces will prevent network manager from working?
882 [06:16:50] <oxek> that file should only contain the loopback interface
883 [06:16:52] <blow_me> i was spamming against islam the other day but i never been on goatcx whatever that is
884 [06:17:19] <rue_mohr> interesting denial tactic
885 [06:17:45] <rue_mohr> so you wrote some of the freenode code eh?
886 [06:17:53] <crestfallen> oxek what should it look like I have this : replaced-url
887 [06:18:11] <blow_me> no?
888 [06:18:20] <blow_me> where are you getting these theories?
889 [06:18:20] <sponix> crestfallen: So when you open that image, and double click on the app it does "nothing" at all ?
890 [06:18:41] <rue_mohr> that banner you posted there kinda says it all
891 [06:18:42] <crestfallen> no a typo there last line is iface eno1 inet dhcp oxek
892 [06:18:42] <blow_me> it sounds like you are pulling them out of your fat islamic ass
893 [06:18:49] <oxek> crestfallen: should look like this replaced-url
894 [06:19:02] <oxek> then reboot and configure network using the graphical tool
895 [06:19:16] <blow_me> rue_mohr: can't you see I am trying to spam here?
896 [06:19:40] <blow_me> * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * *
897 [06:19:40] <rue_mohr> I been watching you spam since 2002
898 [06:19:53] <blow_me> well i started irc like maybe five years ago
899 [06:19:57] <rue_mohr> 2002? ever since, whats-his-name died
900 [06:20:04] <oxek> rue_mohr: is that reply to me?
901 [06:20:12] <crestfallen> oxek: ok I'll fix that
902 [06:20:19] <blow_me> and I was starting kindergarten around 2002 so i think you are mistaken
903 [06:20:28] <rue_mohr> oxek, no, I'm finally talking to the guy who been spamming freenode for 17 years
904 [06:20:43] <crestfallen> yeah sponix I can't get it to open in the finder
905 [06:20:48] <oxek> rue_mohr: hmm, must be on my ignore list then
906 [06:20:54] <rue_mohr> will be yea
907 [06:21:11] <oxek> can you post the name so that I check?
908 [06:21:13] <sponix> crestfallen: can you take a screen shot of where you are in the finder, and post it to like imgur.com and drop the link here ?
909 [06:21:20] <rue_mohr> blow_me
910 [06:21:35] <blow_me> the only troll i heard of that might be close to that ancient is cholby. he was active not too long ago but IDK if he still is
911 [06:21:37] <rue_mohr> (its mohammed, who has been attacking freenode since 2002)
912 [06:21:55] <oxek> rue_mohr: yes, on my ignore list. For a moment I thought you asked me to blow you...
913 [06:22:09] <rue_mohr> cause when whats-his-name died, he thinks he should have inherrited freenode
914 [06:22:31] <rue_mohr> oxek, hey, your a free person, do what you want.
915 [06:22:41] <blow_me> yeah im 22 years old you faggot
916 [06:23:03] <blow_me> so i srsly doubt i could have had access to this site 17 years ago
917 [06:23:22] <blow_me> in freaking kindergarten
918 [06:23:24] <sponix> blow_me: shouldn't you be trolling on Discord right now then ? Maybe playing some Fork Knife ?
919 [06:23:29] <crestfallen> sponix it is in the finder as balenaEtcher-1.5.63.dmg
920 [06:23:32] <rue_mohr> so you must know that other guy
921 [06:23:42] <blow_me> sponix: i dont have discord
922 [06:23:42] <crestfallen> but when I double click on it there is nothing
923 [06:24:04] <sponix> crestfallen: look under your "volumes" it should make what appears to be a "New Drive"
924 [06:24:07] <blow_me> discord is for retarded gamers
925 [06:24:16] <jmcnaught> !ops blow_me
926 [06:24:16] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: jmcnaught complains about a problem (see above)
927 [06:24:20] <sponix> blow_me: that is why I recommended it to you :)
928 [06:24:35] <blow_me> oh thanks jmcnaught i forgot about !ops
929 [06:24:37] <blow_me> !ops
930 [06:24:37] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
931 [06:24:38] <sponix> jmcnaught: thanks, I never can remember that trigger
932 [06:24:40] <blow_me> !ops penis
933 [06:24:40] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: blow_me complains about a problem (see above)
934 [06:24:46] <blow_me> !ops fuck
935 [06:24:46] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: blow_me complains about a problem (see above)
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937 [06:25:05] <rue_mohr> blow_me, so what brings you here today spamming? is it making you feel like a big boy?
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939 [06:25:11] <blow_me> !ops weiner shit penis cock dong
940 [06:25:11] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: blow_me complains about a problem (see above)
941 [06:25:16] <Ede|Popede> !games
942 [06:25:16] <dpkg> [games] Some cool multiplayer games: koth, netris, <quake>, xevil, bzflag, <netrek>, the only piece of software that is allowed to be non-free, because they are more like an art form than a program, #gametome (irc.freenode.net) for newer games. replaced-url
943 [06:25:18] <jmcnaught> don't respond to them…
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947 [06:25:31] <Ede|Popede> just to fill that gap :P
948 [06:25:44] <sponix> crestfallen: Anything ?
949 [06:25:49] <blow_me> !ops peeeeenis
950 [06:25:49] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: blow_me complains about a problem (see above)
951 [06:26:03] <oxek> what is going on with dpkg??
952 [06:26:09] <crestfallen> no where is volumes?
953 [06:26:13] <crestfallen> sponix:
954 [06:26:25] <rue_mohr> well, if somone doesn't ban blowme your issue will continue
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956 [06:26:30] <rue_mohr> kickban
957 [06:26:31] <sponix> crestfallen: holy shit.. I wish I still had my "Mac for Dummies" book handy
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959 [06:27:16] <crestfallen> dude I'm smoked. I broke my toe 2 days ago. sponix
960 [06:27:29] <crestfallen> I've been working on this install for 10 hours
961 [06:28:07] <sponix> crestfallen: do you know how to run a "terminal" in Mac OS ?
962 [06:28:19] <crestfallen> sure
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964 [06:28:45] <sponix> crestfallen: Okay, did you download the ISO from the Link I gave a bit ago ?
965 [06:28:56] <crestfallen> yeah
966 [06:29:03] <Ede|Popede> c2.com still has problems, if it's not gone forever :/
967 [06:29:37] <crestfallen> yeah it shows in Downloads in the term sponix
968 [06:29:41] <sponix> crestfallen: well "cd /place/it/is/stored/on/Mac"
969 [06:29:42] <blow_me> MY FARTS is where we get the GAS for Auschwitz
970 [06:29:50] <sponix> crestfallen: so likely "cd Downloads"
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972 [06:30:19] <crestfallen> yeah I'm there
973 [06:30:35] <crestfallen> it's a nice name btw
974 [06:31:17] <crestfallen> what's the command to open it?
975 [06:31:22] <crestfallen> sponix
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977 [06:31:45] <OneNut> I downloaded the i386 and the 64 bit testing; They both say "Ne Kernels modules were found, ~~~~~ The install will probably faile " so what is up with the very first message? Is there a fix?
978 [06:33:19] <sponix> crestfallen: sudo dd if=./MX-19_x64.iso of=/dev/USBStickName bs=8m
979 [06:33:35] <sponix> crestfallen: you might need to do "df -h" or "mount" to see the name of the USB Stick in the drive
980 [06:34:04] <sponix> crestfallen: if you aren't sure.. Do NOT run that command though
981 [06:34:38] <sponix> crestfallen: cause it can just as easily wipe your whole Mac OS and leave you with a live MX Linux session that might not even boot on it :)
982 [06:35:06] <sponix> crestfallen: Actually to check the device name of it, you can use the Mac "Disk Util"
983 [06:35:45] <OneNut> Why is linux so risky for users? It is the users that have money, ask bill gates.
984 [06:36:00] <crestfallen> $ mount gave me ' /dev/disk0s2 on / (hfs, local, journaled) ' as the first entry. I think that's the thumbdrive sponix
985 [06:36:04] <OneNut> Fix the install script please
986 [06:36:26] <sponix> crestfallen: do me a favor and check with the Mac Disk Utility (GUI) just to be sure
987 [06:37:00] <sponix> OneNut: if you don't want/expect broken shit -- get off of testing lol
988 [06:37:09] <Ede|Popede> OneNut: testing isn't really meant for "users"
989 [06:37:26] <crestfallen> oh man, very sorry sponix. I'm nearly in tears. I'll get help from my sys admin. thanks so much
990 [06:37:57] <crestfallen> with this insane person on the channel and all
991 [06:38:06] <crestfallen> ok?
992 [06:38:12] <sponix> crestfallen: you are fine
993 [06:38:26] <sponix> crestfallen: and if you want to silence the nonsense just type /ignore blow_me
994 [06:38:57] <crestfallen> oh good I thought he had bypassed an ignore !
995 [06:39:50] <OneNut> anyway, what is up with the message
996 [06:39:57] -blow_me- * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * *
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998 [06:40:36] <OneNut> LOL
999 [06:41:05] <blow_me> OneNut: are you a retarded butt brain?
1000 [06:41:07] <OneNut> I just downloaded 3 dvd's, and your not going to help me
1001 [06:41:11] <blow_me> once upon a time i farted
1002 [06:41:21] <blow_me> and gas came out
1003 [06:41:32] <blow_me> i sold it to the germans
1004 [06:41:43] <blow_me> and it is the auschwitz gas
1005 [06:41:46] <sponix> OneNut: my recommendation is to pull down the Debian 10 netinstall. Put that on a USB Stick, and see if things go better for ya :)
1006 [06:41:48] <blow_me> my farts are that deadly
1007 [06:42:03] <blow_me> OneNut: hello?
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1010 [06:44:16] <sponix> crestfallen: I will have some free time tomorrow likely. And I can also see about putting Mac OS in a virtual machine to help with instructions if needed
1011 [06:44:27] <sponix> crestfallen: What made you want to do Linux ?
1012 [06:44:31] <blow_me> !ops sponix is sexually harassing me
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1015 [06:45:04] <crestfallen> I have it at home and never had a problem upgrading to buster from stretch sponix
1016 [06:46:10] <sponix> crestfallen: you don't happen to have "TeamViewer" on that Mac do you ?
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1018 [06:48:32] <crestfallen> not sure sponix but check this out I got the app to attach replaced-url
1019 [06:49:59] <crestfallen> copying to applications ....
1020 [06:49:59] <sponix> crestfallen: progress, but that is what should have already happened when you double clicked it :)
1021 [06:50:27] <sponix> Mac OS might have some new security settings preventing Internet downloaded DMG files from mounting easily ?
1022 [06:50:31] <crestfallen> yeah I used hdiutil as you can see
1023 [06:50:38] <sponix> whatever works
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1025 [06:51:12] <sponix> Seems VMWare Workstation dropped support for Mac OS .. So I'm a bit screwed
1026 [06:51:43] <crestfallen> anyway I gotta go home on uber. thanks a million sponix what time you around tomm?
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1028 [06:52:06] <sponix> well I'm in Kansas so it is 23:50 here right now
1029 [06:52:24] <sponix> I likely will not be on until around 10:00 or a lil after
1030 [06:52:35] <sponix> depending on how stoned I get here in a few minutes
1031 [06:52:45] <crestfallen> 10pm Kansas time?
1032 [06:53:07] <sponix> 10:00 is 10 -AM Kasas Time
1033 [06:53:30] <sponix> But Yeah.. I'll be on most of the afternoon/night
1034 [06:53:31] <crestfallen> ok gotta go thanks
1035 [06:53:40] <crestfallen> sweet peace out
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1037 [06:54:40] <blow_me> hail hitler
1038 [06:54:47] <blow_me> * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * * * g o a t s e x * * *
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1040 [06:55:14] <CodeLyoko> sponix: due to catalina dropping support for 32-bit app i had to switch back to linux
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1042 [06:55:45] <CodeLyoko> I really did like MacOS but dropping 32-bit entirely was the breaking point for me
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1046 [06:58:16] <sponix> CodeLyoko: Linux works well for everything I do. And I believe in using whatever works best for the workload
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1048 [06:58:44] <sponix> If most of my apps ran better on Mac or Windows 10 ... I'd do that
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1056 [07:06:06] <annadane> ubuntu dropped 32 bit as well AFAIK
1057 [07:06:10] <annadane> nice to know debian still supports it
1058 [07:08:04] <CodeLyoko> annadane: they where going too but kept certain libriarys for games and other software, see replaced-url
1059 [07:08:20] <sponix> annadane: Nope, that was just someone having a bad day. They changed their mind quickly
1060 [07:08:43] <annadane> still though, it's nice how "upstream" debian is
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1062 [07:09:24] <CodeLyoko> as of i think 16 though they no longer offer 32-bit ISO's though
1063 [07:09:27] <sponix> quit it.. You are gonna make me feel bad for not running Debian lol
1064 [07:09:37] <annadane> i want to!
1065 [07:09:39] <annadane> shame!!!!
1066 [07:10:58] <sponix> MX Linux is close enough to real Debian for me
1067 [07:11:15] <sponix> And I do have some regular Debian -- but in Virtual Machines ;)
1068 [07:11:41] <CodeLyoko> I'm only running Ubuntu because it works OOTB with my MBP wifi card :P
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1070 [07:12:51] <sponix> CodeLyoko: should check with a live stick of MX Linux, or even the Debian non-free
1071 [07:13:34] <sponix> A lot of the firmware that Ubuntu ships with Debian only has in the non-free section because well, it is proprietary blobs needed
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1073 [07:14:11] <sponix> CodeLyoko: I'm not tossing any Shade.. I've been doing Linux Mint for a LONG Time
1074 [07:14:26] <CodeLyoko> I've been all over
1075 [07:14:38] <CodeLyoko> Ubuntu, Debian, Arch, Fedora
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1080 [07:17:14] <tuxic> hello guys
1081 [07:17:17] <sponix> If I had more time I'd be on Arch
1082 [07:17:25] <grisher> < annadane> ubuntu dropped 32 bit as well AFAIK
1083 [07:17:30] <grisher> no way they'd be that stupid
1084 [07:17:44] <grisher> means steam wouldn't even run on it
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1086 [07:18:00] <sponix> grisher: there was a chatter of it, but in less than 24 hours they wised up
1087 [07:18:08] <tuxic> can I connect to an openvpn server in a virtual machine on the same network??
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1089 [07:18:27] <grisher> yeah i know, as soon as i saw that news i knew they'd back peddle
1090 [07:18:33] <grisher> that'd be way too dumb
1091 [07:18:46] <sponix> tuxic: can you ?
1092 [07:18:59] <tuxic> YEA I'm asking :D
1093 [07:19:01] <tuxic> Its a question
1094 [07:19:05] <grisher> tuxic: why wouldn't you be able to?
1095 [07:19:09] <annadane> i think no one has to choose just one, i can see using debian for a server, mint for a desktop, arch for a programming workstation, etc etc...
1096 [07:19:12] <sponix> grisher: I think a dev or two must have gotten stoned, and hit a blog or something
1097 [07:19:41] <grisher> i use debian for a server, debian for a desktop, debian for a programming workstation...
1098 [07:19:55] <tuxic> VPNS advertises that it hides your real IP which is fake in my opinion
1099 [07:19:58] <annadane> same, but i'm just saying
1100 [07:20:02] <tuxic> I just want to encrypt my traffic
1101 [07:20:04] <sponix> grisher: good choice :)
1102 [07:20:37] <sponix> tuxic: then use a VPN :)
1103 [07:20:43] <grisher> lol yeah, def sounds like a stoner moment
1104 [07:20:53] <annadane> for me debian does everything i want
1105 [07:21:24] <grisher> the difference in my OS's is what spin i use
1106 [07:21:53] <grisher> my laptop is sid, desktop is testing, server is stable
1107 [07:21:54] <tuxic> guys should I run my web servers ( nginx reverse proxy ) directly on my desktop debian or should I isolate them inside a virtual machine or a container ??
1108 [07:22:12] <sponix> tuxic: If you question was simply "is it possible to use a VPN from inside a virtual machine" .. My answer is - I have done it before
1109 [07:22:50] <tuxic> sponix: I tried to run openvpn from LXC it didn't let me connect
1110 [07:23:09] <sponix> tuxic: LXC is a container - not a virtual machine :)
1111 [07:23:14] <tuxic> yea !
1112 [07:23:15] <tuxic> :D
1113 [07:23:16] <grisher> that's because LXC doesn't suppport tun/tap because it's not a VM
1114 [07:23:56] <tuxic> grisher: I didn't know this part . I'm a noob
1115 [07:23:56] <sponix> tuxic: guess it depends on what your feel comfortable with
1116 [07:24:11] <grisher> it's cool, now you know
1117 [07:24:21] <CodeLyoko> i've never actualy used base debian extensivly, only for a few days. I've only used its derivatives for long periods of time
1118 [07:24:41] <sponix> I run most of my stuff off my Host OS with just apache2+php ... But I do host a torrent seedbox for a friend inside a Virtual Machine also
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1120 [07:25:18] <grisher> my server actually runs proxmox
1121 [07:25:24] <sponix> For hosting him, a VM makes more sense -- so he can't jack up my Host OS by accident
1122 [07:25:30] <grisher> so everything is in VMs or containers
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1124 [07:26:13] <sponix> grisher: I likely need to look into that sometime. Is it free, and based around kvm/qemu or what ?
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1126 [07:26:23] <tuxic> thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge guys
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1129 [07:27:22] <sponix> tuxic: no problem.. Only been doing this stuff for 30 years+ lol
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1132 [07:28:02] <grisher> sponix: it's based on debian with kvm/qemu, yeah
1133 [07:28:08] <grisher> it's free but has a nag window
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1135 [07:28:24] <sponix> tuxic: If your hardware is up to snuff for virtual machines. I recommend doing a few of them, if anything just to learn on.. So you can get over the fear of breaking stuff
1136 [07:28:26] <tuxic> I just checked it out . It looks like virt-manager
1137 [07:29:02] <tuxic> sponix: I'm familiar with virt-manager and KVM
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1139 [07:29:19] <sponix> tuxic: If qemu/kvm/virt-manager gives you issues, most get their feet wet with "VirtualBox" ... it isn't as good/light/powerful -- but is super easy :)
1140 [07:29:50] <tuxic> sponix: Thank you for your recommendation !
1141 [07:29:50] <sponix> grisher: how much do you need to donate to the cause to rid the nag ?
1142 [07:30:08] <binaryhermit> I will say, given some of the fairly obscure architectures Debian supports, x86 is probably around for a while
1143 [07:30:55] <sponix> binaryhermit: Yeah in that regard Debian is the "NetBSD" of the Linux world lol
1144 [07:31:09] <grisher> sponix: it's a subscription model
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1146 [07:31:19] <grisher> but there's scripts you can use to remove the nag
1147 [07:31:24] <binaryhermit> although MIPS was big in some circles back in the day
1148 [07:31:36] <sponix> grisher: hmm, Damn.. I'd rather it be a one and done ordeal
1149 [07:31:41] <grisher> just don't be a dick and use it comercially
1150 [07:31:42] <binaryhermit> the Nintendo 64 and first two gens of Playstations were MIPS?
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1152 [07:32:07] <binaryhermit> And I think silicon graphics workstations were MIPS???
1153 [07:32:12] <binaryhermit> anyway, dropping it
1154 [07:32:21] <grisher> yeah same, but as long as you're just using it personal it's fine to get rid of the nag imo
1155 [07:32:31] <grisher> for personal use*
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1157 [07:33:28] <jvava> hi, I don't know how to disable screensaver
1158 [07:33:42] <annadane> jvava, which desktop?
1159 [07:33:43] <grisher> it def sucks tho, i'd be happy to chuck 'em like $80 to get rid of it for non-commercial reasons
1160 [07:33:45] <tuxic> checkout power management
1161 [07:33:50] <sponix> getting a bit late. I had better take my night meds and start getting ready to crash out
1162 [07:33:51] <jvava> annadane, it is buster debian
1163 [07:34:21] <tuxic> jvava: It might be in your power / power management options
1164 [07:34:24] <grisher> jvava: what desktop environment though?
1165 [07:34:24] <annadane> jvava, i mean, which graphical desktop are you using? did you just select the default?
1166 [07:34:36] <grisher> gnome, xfce, kde, etc?
1167 [07:34:36] <sponix> grisher: got a friend that is always raving about "Qubes"
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1169 [07:34:44] <jvava> gnome, all
1170 [07:34:53] <grisher> QubesOS is a cool concept but it's annoying to use daily
1171 [07:35:00] <tuxic> sponix: you need 30 cores and 100GB RAM to run qubes
1172 [07:35:04] <tuxic> lol
1173 [07:35:11] <binaryhermit> I suggest you gift that friend a tinfoil hat to that friend?
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1175 [07:35:18] <binaryhermit> qubes is what I think it is, right?
1176 [07:35:21] <jvava> annadane, gnome3
1177 [07:35:28] <sponix> grisher: its base is a stripped down RH/Fedora or something though. So I can't bring myself to even try it out
1178 [07:35:33] <annadane> replaced-url
1179 [07:35:34] <grisher> replaced-url
1180 [07:35:35] <grisher> it's that
1181 [07:35:47] <tuxic> gnome3 you need Caffiene extension I think
1182 [07:35:49] <grisher> sponix: eh, i actually quite like fedora
1183 [07:35:56] <annadane> which... thanks, GNOME. good to see how... user friendly you are...
1184 [07:36:10] <jvava> thank you, annadane
1185 [07:36:21] <jvava> thank you, all
1186 [07:36:26] <sponix> You need an extension just to "disable" the screen saver ?
1187 [07:36:30] <annadane> apparently.
1188 [07:36:32] <grisher> fedora is useful if you want to persue a linux career
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1190 [07:36:35] <sponix> Wow Gnome is just starting to suck more and more
1191 [07:36:37] <grisher> because red hat is based on fedora
1192 [07:36:40] <tuxic> LOL
1193 [07:36:50] <annadane> i've lobbied for a while for debian to just use xfce by default instead of gnome
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1195 [07:37:04] <grisher> nah
1196 [07:37:16] <grisher> debian should use i3 as default
1197 [07:37:17] <grisher> ;]
1198 [07:37:24] <annadane> yeah that'd go over well
1199 [07:37:28] <annadane> "HELP HOW DO I DO THINGS"
1200 [07:37:28] <sponix> grisher: spare me the lectures. I'll take my .deb's - keep Linux as my hobby. And work my stupid 9-5 data entry job to pay the bills
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1203 [07:37:55] <grisher> annadane: bold of you to assume they could open the browser/irc client to even ask :P
1204 [07:38:11] <sponix> grisher: Plenty of spots for me to go back to "Windows Server Admin" also -- No thanks
1205 [07:38:32] <grisher> hey man, do what you want
1206 [07:38:45] <grisher> i'm just saying fedora is a good OS
1207 [07:38:54] <sponix> lol
1208 [07:39:12] <sponix> Fedora is an experiment at best
1209 [07:39:16] <grisher> i think distro elitism is boring
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1211 [07:40:09] <grisher> i mean, an OS that practically runs the internet based on fedora
1212 [07:40:17] <grisher> so it's more than just an experiment
1213 [07:40:34] <tuxic> RHEL and centos !== fedora
1214 [07:40:41] <tuxic> huge difference :D
1215 [07:40:55] <grisher> dude, RHEL is literally based off fedora
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1217 [07:41:38] <grisher> RHEL 8 is Fedora 28
1218 [07:41:57] <sponix> sure, after the fedora beta testers have been at it reporting and fixing the bugs for 6 months to a year -- It enters RH :)
1219 [07:42:07] <tuxic> RHEL is running very old stable packages tho
1220 [07:42:36] <grisher> it's not 6 months - a year
1221 [07:42:43] <grisher> it's a lot longer than that, lol
1222 [07:42:56] <sponix> I didn't say Fedora was useless, just that its an experiment :)
1223 [07:43:09] <grisher> i'm not sure how
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1225 [07:44:09] <sponix> Wayland for just one example -- or btrfs ... both far from ready for real use -- both introduced in Fedora to play with
1226 [07:44:59] <grisher> if you use gnome, yeah
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1228 [07:45:12] <grisher> btrfs is optional
1229 [07:45:42] <sponix> it was either Fedora or OpenSuse Tumbleweed that had it as the default for a bit
1230 [07:46:02] <sponix> and Gnome is the default for Fedora to my knowledge, did that change ?
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1232 [07:46:32] <grisher> fedora has btrfs, yeah. but it's not default
1233 [07:46:33] <sponix> If you want to run your Mission critical stuff on Fedora -- be my guest, and more power to ya
1234 [07:46:38] <grisher> also, btrfs runs pretty well imo
1235 [07:47:02] <annadane> fedora had systemd (naturally) when it first came out and people had problems with it... it's nice to know that you can be on debian and not necessarily be exposed to the shiny new things that break everything
1236 [07:47:19] <annadane> debian got systemd too but only after it'd been out for a while which probably mitigated some of the problems
1237 [07:47:22] <grisher> nah, gnome is still default but there are plenty of spins
1238 [07:47:31] <sponix> Wayland does well too -- for like all 5 apps :)
1239 [07:47:49] <annadane> yeah that's the thing. it'll be better in bullseye
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1241 [07:48:13] <grisher> eh, wayland has xwayland which helps
1242 [07:48:34] <grisher> but as if i'd even use gnome anyway, terrible desktop
1243 [07:48:42] <sponix> annadane: I understand why there is testing/unstable/stable branches. And again, said Fedora does have its place.. But I just keep things in perspective
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1246 [07:50:16] <sponix> annadane: yeah, systemd has a LOT of moving parts, I'm sure that took a while to iron out. Aside from being a pain to learn to add services to it, I've not had systemd get in my way other than that resolve nonsense (I disable that)
1247 [07:50:29] <grisher> i dunno, my old work used a lot of fedora machines for their artists and it worked rather well
1248 [07:50:43] <grisher> (visual production company)
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1250 [07:51:23] <sponix> Davinci Resolve by chance ?
1251 [07:51:39] <grisher> nah
1252 [07:51:56] <grisher> big company tho, they've worked on a lot of the marvel films and what not
1253 [07:52:01] <sponix> well it is an easy install on RH, and a pain in the ass on everything else
1254 [07:53:55] <grisher> yeah DaVinci Resolve was on the RH boxes
1255 [07:54:03] <grisher> not the fedora ones
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1281 [08:25:05] <kevoroid> any ideas? how can i log these kernel panics/freezes (im assuming the freeze is due to a kernel panic) so i can debug later?
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1364 [09:36:45] <turds> poop crap turd shit
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1367 [09:41:35] <turds> X5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H*
1368 [09:41:39] <turds> vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina
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1373 [09:48:31] <ratrace> !ops
1374 [09:48:31] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
1375 [09:49:24] <turds> !ops ratrace is sexually harassing me
1376 [09:49:24] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: turds complains about a problem (see above)
1377 [09:49:34] <ratrace> oh cool.
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1381 [09:49:49] <turds> it pings all the ops for you
1382 [09:50:18] <turds> because if you pinged that many people yourself then Sigyn would issue a network wide ban
1383 [09:50:20] <ratrace> what's with the eicar string, I'm really curious.
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1385 [09:50:33] <turds> ratrace: it is a standard antivirus test string
1386 [09:50:41] <ratrace> I know but what were you expecting to happen.
1387 [09:50:44] <turds> and if it ends up in your IRC log file
1388 [09:50:54] <turds> fun things happen to some antivirus programs
1389 [09:51:01] <turds> because your log file is a test virus
1390 [09:51:11] <turds> many clients keep logs in a plain text file
1391 [09:51:18] <turds> which would then contain that string
1392 [09:51:23] <turds> its very funny
1393 [09:51:27] <turds> a classic irc crank
1394 [09:51:42] <turds> also a good way to get a kline
1395 [09:51:45] <ratrace> but don't AVs recognize it as a test sequence?
1396 [09:51:55] <turds> yeah it would say test
1397 [09:52:07] <turds> still a hassle to go grab your logs from quarantine and remove it
1398 [09:52:16] <turds> there IS another string
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1400 [09:52:40] <turds> one that is flagged as a virus due to being a hidden reference to a page that USED to have malicious scripts
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1402 [09:52:48] <turds> its a snippet of HTML
1403 [09:53:18] <turds> and Windows Defender still (after nearly a decade) thinks it is bad, and not just in the context of .html files
1404 [09:53:33] <turds> so it does the same thing except the warning looks real
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1406 [09:53:52] <ratrace> so basically... you're pentestrolling by showing admins how poorly their input sanitizers are set up through annoyance.
1407 [09:54:05] <turds> but freenode staff programmed Sigyn (a anti spam bot present on many big channels including this) to k-line anyone who says it
1408 [09:54:15] <turds> so I switched to using eicar on those chans
1409 [09:54:22] <ratrace> sounds legit.
1410 [09:54:37] <ratrace> hey, can you kick out chinese users with that string that triggers the great firewall? :)
1411 [09:54:48] <turds> idk what string that is?
1412 [09:54:51] <ratrace> used to be "fun" back in the day
1413 [09:55:10] <ratrace> something about the tiananmen square but written in chinese
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1415 [09:55:31] <turds> never heard of it..... but i assume SSL makes that moot these days
1416 [09:55:53] <ratrace> unless the great firewall mitms them :)
1417 [09:55:55] <ratrace> okay, enough ot from me lest I get fed a kickbun for enabling you :) cheers.
1418 [09:56:11] <turds> lol
1419 [09:56:15] <turds> cya later
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1428 [10:03:08] <Ede|Popede> Windows Defender. must be in non-free, couldn't find it in main at least.
1429 [10:06:16] <ratrace> it's managed by virtualbox package manager
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1433 [10:07:03] <ratrace> also I'm not convinced one bit that AVs would quarantine files with eicar. if they do, they're dumber than I thought.
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1435 [10:08:28] <annadane> linux is the windows defender ...
1436 [10:08:37] <ratrace> touché
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1439 [10:08:51] <_GNAA_> hello
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1480 [10:42:14] <FightingFalcon> How come apt-get update and then upgrade doesnt upgrade php 7.2 to 7.3 ?
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1482 [10:43:22] <rudi_s> FightingFalcon: Can't find php7.2 in Debian, where did you get it?
1483 [10:44:32] <FightingFalcon> i dunno
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1485 [10:44:51] <rudi_s> apt-cache policy php7.2
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1487 [10:45:51] <FightingFalcon> 500 replaced-url
1488 [10:47:24] <nkuttler> FightingFalcon: that's not debian
1489 [10:48:53] <Ede|Popede> !sury
1490 [10:48:53] <dpkg> Short instructions for sury's php deb builds can be found at replaced-url
1491 [10:49:15] <mtcdood> I have a program that I can't build because it believes pkg-config can't find libxml-2.0, but `pkg-config --list-all` clearly shows it is present
1492 [10:49:17] <Ede|Popede> afaik this is an option for people in need of newer versions
1493 [10:49:22] <mtcdood> what can I do?
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1499 [10:52:17] <FightingFalcon> nkuttler thanks
1500 [10:53:21] <valdyn> mtcdood: pkg-config does not know that debian splits out the -dev part of packages
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1504 [10:53:56] <mtcdood> possibly, but I also found out the issue had nothing to do with libxml2
1505 [10:54:23] <mtcdood> the build log showed it actually failed later when trying to find an unrelated library and for some reason wasn't giving helpful console output
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1507 [10:55:02] <FightingFalcon> nkuttler i exactly did everything in the instructions but it didnt update anything
1508 [10:57:05] <nkuttler> ,v php7.3
1509 [10:57:06] <judd> Package: php7.3 on amd64 -- buster: 7.3.4-2; bullseye: 7.3.10-1; sid: 7.3.10-1; buster-proposed-updates: 7.3.11-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 7.3.11-1~deb10u1
1510 [10:57:48] <FightingFalcon> i still have 7.2
1511 [10:57:52] <nkuttler> FightingFalcon: 7.3 is in debian, you should probably use debian packages. if you use third party packages you'll have to ask whoever builds them for support
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1514 [10:58:09] <nkuttler> well in buster it's just apt-get install php7.3
1515 [10:58:16] <FightingFalcon> oh
1516 [10:58:19] <valdyn> ,v php
1517 [10:58:20] <judd> Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; bullseye: 2:7.3+69; buster: 2:7.3+69; sid: 2:7.3+69
1518 [10:58:23] <FightingFalcon> apt-get does not upgrade 7.2 to 7.3 ?
1519 [10:58:35] <valdyn> FightingFalcon: just install 'php'
1520 [10:58:37] <nkuttler> FightingFalcon: you don't have a debian php7.2
1521 [10:58:44] <FightingFalcon> what?
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1523 [10:58:56] <ratrace> FightingFalcon: it can't, the packages are separate. apt has no idea that one is the newer version of the other
1524 [10:59:18] <nkuttler> FightingFalcon: also if you installed a specific version like in a "php7.2" package, no, debian wouldn't upgrade that
1525 [10:59:29] <FightingFalcon> so if i type apt-get install php7.3 and 7.2 will be automatically removed?
1526 [10:59:46] <Mathisen> nope
1527 [10:59:55] <FightingFalcon> SO WHAT SHOULD i do
1528 [10:59:59] <Ede|Popede> from php (without any 7.0, 7.1, 7.2 or 7.3): "This package is a dependency package, which depends on Debian's default PHP version"
1529 [11:00:14] <ratrace> FightingFalcon: install php7.3, uninstall whatever version you currently have
1530 [11:00:23] <nkuttler> FightingFalcon: what is your goal?
1531 [11:00:23] <ratrace> also take care of updating config files.
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1533 [11:00:39] <valdyn> ratrace: now thats the hardest path really
1534 [11:01:05] <FightingFalcon> nkuttler, i have 7.2 in my debian 9 and i want to upgrade it TO 7.3
1535 [11:01:08] <ratrace> valdyn: shouldn't be as they're versioned in separate dirs. copying php.ini and fpm pools (if any) usually suffices
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1538 [11:01:43] <Ede|Popede> FightingFalcon: and if you look at the filename of replaced-url
1539 [11:01:59] <ratrace> and yes, install all the module packages you were using, but for 7.3
1540 [11:02:00] <CQ> hello, I deleted a swap partition, created a new one, and now want to use it, but there is no UUID for it in /dev/dsk/by-uuid ... in the oder by-* directories it shows up. any ideas?
1541 [11:02:15] <ratrace> CQ: you have to run mkswap on it first
1542 [11:02:17] <CQ> I have both run partprobe and rebooted already
1543 [11:02:22] <CQ> ratrace, ah, thans
1544 [11:02:25] <CQ> thanks
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1548 [11:03:09] <ratrace> CQ: otherwise you can refer to it via PARTUUID
1549 [11:04:04] <ratrace> CQ: and also consider using swapfiles instead. less hassle with partitions and stuff.
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1551 [11:04:06] <CQ> ratrace mkswap worked, thanks... but I still need to mkswap before using it, even with PARTUUID, right?
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1553 [11:04:16] <ratrace> CQ: yea
1554 [11:04:49] <CQ> ratrace, sure, but this is a simple webserver setup with one big partition, and I use the swap space at the end in case I ever need a boot partition or something else there... insurance policy ; )
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1558 [11:05:23] <ratrace> CQ: ah ok. I like to put swap at the beginning as that's the fastest part of the disk :)
1559 [11:05:43] <ratrace> (unless it's ssd)
1560 [11:06:12] <CQ> this is in a debian bhyve VM on a FreeNAS box, so it son't make much speed difference anyway
1561 [11:06:37] <ratrace> I see
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1564 [11:07:10] <Mathisen> FightingFalcon, best is if you upgrade to buster really so you can use debian own repos and not any 3.rd party one.
1565 [11:07:52] <Mathisen> FightingFalcon, but if you dont want to do that you need to uninstall/purge 7.2 and install 7.3 from that repo you using
1566 [11:08:30] <FightingFalcon> ok
1567 [11:08:34] <FightingFalcon> trying now, wish me luck :D
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1572 [11:11:00] <annadane> i've learned to stop purging stuff in general
1573 [11:11:09] <annadane> uninstall using the least destructive option
1574 [11:11:21] <annadane> unless you 100% know you'll never need configs
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1577 [11:13:06] <FightingFalcon> Shall i restart the system after all this mess?
1578 [11:13:19] <Mathisen> nope
1579 [11:13:24] <Mathisen> php --version
1580 [11:13:25] <AndikaSagala> somebody, could you help me setting my visual studio for linux dev? i was followed this instruction replaced-url
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1586 [11:16:23] <Mathisen> you may want to restart your web service doh, depending on what you doing
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1588 [11:17:39] <FightingFalcon> omg
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1590 [11:17:50] <FightingFalcon> now my server gives bad gateway error?
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1593 [11:18:52] <ratrace> FightingFalcon: look at the logs, first the web server's error log, then PHP's
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1596 [11:20:37] <ratrace> FightingFalcon: also did you remember to update the php config files? between 7.3 and 7.2, they should be in different dirs, so you need to take care of that
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1598 [11:21:33] <FightingFalcon> yes i fixed it
1599 [11:21:48] <FightingFalcon> i had to change php7.2-fpm to 7.3fpm in nginx config file
1600 [11:24:08] <FightingFalcon> thanks a lot everybody
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1606 [11:29:29] <FightingFalcon> btw is there a way to upgrade debian 9 to 10?
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1609 [11:31:22] <annadane> !buster release notes
1610 [11:31:22] <dpkg> The release notes for Debian 10 "Buster" are at replaced-url
1611 [11:31:27] <annadane> read those ^
1612 [11:31:53] <annadane> dpkg, stretch -> buster
1613 [11:31:54] <dpkg> i haven't a clue, annadane
1614 [11:31:57] <annadane> reeeee
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1616 [11:32:47] <FightingFalcon> ok
1617 [11:32:52] <FightingFalcon> i think there is no need to do that
1618 [11:32:52] <FightingFalcon> :D
1619 [11:33:00] <annadane> !stretch->buster
1620 [11:33:12] <annadane> well, it's your funeral
1621 [11:33:18] <annadane> i'm giving you the official recommendation
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1623 [11:34:43] <annadane> dpkg, stretch->buster
1624 [11:34:43] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
1625 [11:34:53] <annadane> i'm a genius
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1628 [11:35:30] <jelly> !win annadane
1629 [11:35:31] <dpkg> Congratulations, annadane! You have won the US presidency!
1630 [11:35:49] <jelly> they award that tojust anyone these days.
1631 [11:35:59] <wxb> jelly, lol
1632 [11:36:38] <wxb> who writes those commands? some of them are pretty good!
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1634 [11:37:01] <annadane> it's not just one person. you can add your own
1635 [11:37:15] <jelly> dpkg: factinfo cmd: win (.*?)
1636 [11:37:15] <annadane> i wrote this nifty one
1637 [11:37:15] <dpkg> CMD: win (.*?) -- created by sussudio <Suss@d51132d0.cable.wanadoo.nl> at Sun Feb 16 16:11:47 2003 (6109 days); it has been requested 1397 times, last by jelly, 1m 45s ago.
1638 [11:37:19] <annadane> !newcomer
1639 [11:37:19] <dpkg> Welcome to Debian! Here's some resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook: replaced-url
1640 [11:37:52] <jelly> dpkg: literal cmd: win (.*?)
1641 [11:37:52] <dpkg> "cmd: win (.*?)" is "($1): <reply> Congratulations, $1! You have won (second prize in a beauty contest|a one way ticket to (Baghdad|Cleveland|Nova Scotia|Christmas Island|Beirut|Rio de Janeiro|Fire Island|Gaza|Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!)|the US presidency|a lifetime supply of spam|the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120)!"
1642 [11:38:06] <annadane> lol
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1648 [11:39:10] <wxb> that's great!
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1652 [11:40:29] <annadane> s/a very good idea/absolutely mandatory
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1655 [11:42:26] <jelly> I'll have to remember that one exists
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1658 [11:43:30] <FightingFalcon> i will restart php7.3-fpm service and do i also have to restart other php services?
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1661 [11:44:39] <mtcdood> does anyone know how to identify what's wrong with a DASH manifest?
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1664 [11:45:02] <mtcdood> ffmpeg claims it found invalid input in it, and even with debug logging it provides zero information about what it was trying to do that didn't work
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1671 [11:53:31] <hans__> is this because i don't have an nvidia driver installed? replaced-url
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1674 [11:54:31] <annadane> isn't radeon amd specific?
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1676 [11:54:50] <hans__> .. right you are
1677 [11:54:54] <hans__> weird
1678 [11:55:07] <hans__> i just installed a nvidia GT 710
1679 [11:55:11] <annadane> install firmware-amd-graphics
1680 [11:55:24] <annadane> uh.
1681 [11:55:30] <annadane> well if you installed nvidia... i don't know.
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1683 [11:56:01] <no_gravity> Hello! "rsync -ain --ignore-times --checksum" still shows me subdirectories with changed timestamps. Is there a way to change that? I would like to only see subdirectories if they are about to be created or deleted.
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1691 [12:02:39] <Kats99> where are the init scripts stored
1692 [12:03:09] <Kats99> i see none in init.d or rc*.d
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1699 [12:06:45] <valdyn> Kats99: in /etc/init.d/
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1701 [12:07:42] <Kats99> oh ok..those green highlights make them look like executables
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1703 [12:07:56] <valdyn> Kats99: well, they are executables
1704 [12:08:06] <Kats99> like binary
1705 [12:08:20] <Kats99> i didnt know they were still text files
1706 [12:08:36] <valdyn> Kats99: yea, they're green if the are +x
1707 [12:08:42] <Kats99> hmm
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1722 [12:25:53] <LCRERGO> Hi, what is the pulseaudio mixer file in /dev?
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1734 [12:36:51] <no_gravity> Found it! --no-times
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1787 [13:08:33] <LCRERGO> what file it the one of /dev/mixer?
1788 [13:08:58] <LCRERGO> I mean the pulseaudio
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1797 [13:18:13] <ratrace> LCRERGO: lsof shows /dev/snd/control* files owned by the PA process here
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1799 [13:18:30] <ratrace> %s/owned/held open/
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1825 [13:44:00] <magic_ninja> I have a corrupted package, python-numpy that won't install and keeps other stuff from installing. I'm not sure how to fix it.
1826 [13:44:01] <magic_ninja> replaced-url
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1860 [14:10:21] <annadane> ,v python-numpy
1861 [14:10:23] <judd> Package: python-numpy on amd64 -- jessie: 1:1.8.2-2; stretch: 1:1.12.1-3; buster: 1:1.16.2-1; bullseye: 1:1.16.5-1; sid: 1:1.16.5-1
1862 [14:10:53] <annadane> !bat
1863 [14:10:54] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1864 [14:10:56] <annadane> magic_ninja, ^
1865 [14:13:40] <annadane> though if it's *only* a corrupted package and not a generic dependency issue...
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1869 [14:21:18] <magic_ninja> alright, I'll get it once I get the machine powered back up
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1871 [14:22:36] <annadane> magic_ninja, may not even be necessary, i'd probably wait for other answers
1872 [14:22:42] <annadane> not that such output *hurts*
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1874 [14:22:51] <magic_ninja> might point me to the problem too
1875 [14:26:34] <lunchslut> anyone use ibus on 10.1 and have issues changing keyboard layout in qt apps ?
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1933 [15:09:03] <magic_ninja> given it is on a pi, I'll probably just do a reinstall. It was a pretty fresh install,.
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1957 [15:33:13] <dob1> hi, can I less/more maintaining ansi escape code ? I mean the coor for example, without seeing the code
1958 [15:33:22] <dob1> s/coor/color
1959 [15:34:19] <dob1> ops less -r
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1996 [16:07:51] <dob1> can I get a diff or similar from a file in a debian package (original one) and the one installed on my system?
1997 [16:08:10] <dob1> or have I to download the package, extrat etc?
1998 [16:08:21] <petn-randall> dob1: You can compare two Debian packages with diffoscope.
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2000 [16:08:41] <dob1> petn-randall, no really what I mean I think
2001 [16:08:42] <petn-randall> dob1: But you can't really compare one installed and one not-installed one, no.
2002 [16:08:57] <petn-randall> dob1: What is the problem you're trying to solve?
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2004 [16:09:12] <petn-randall> dob1: Because for verifying files there's a tool, as well as one to reinstall the original config.
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2006 [16:09:23] <dob1> petn-randall, I want to compare a configuration file that I have edited with the one included in the original package
2007 [16:09:44] <petn-randall> !confmiss
2008 [16:09:44] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
2009 [16:10:00] <dob1> I don't want to overwrite it
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2011 [16:10:02] <petn-randall> dob1: You can copy the config away, and reinstall it with this ^. Then you can use diff to compare.
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2013 [16:10:31] <dob1> petn-randall, it's more simple to download the package manually then. thanks anyway
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2015 [16:10:37] <ratrace> Is there a mechanism that would CHANGE directory permission into nobody:root, for example if a chown or chmod was issued from an unprivileged process and something something failed and then something else erred on the side of caution and set owner to "nobody"?
2016 [16:10:56] <petn-randall> dob1: If the config is even packaged, and not generated during postinst.
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2019 [16:11:10] <petn-randall> ratrace: no
2020 [16:11:10] <ratrace> I'm trying to figure out what in the penguin god's name has changed replaced-url
2021 [16:11:28] <dob1> petn-randall, because I don't know how many config file there are, I am looking at just one
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2024 [16:11:53] <dob1> petn-randall, maybe it will restore other config file that I edit time ago and I don't remember :)
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2029 [16:12:46] <petn-randall> ratrace: If an unprivileged user could "give" files to root that would be a huge security issue.
2030 [16:12:49] <ratrace> petn-randall: that's what I thought and now I'm hunting down what on satan's earth might've done so. no cron, no systemd timer, no other service, no tmpfiles.d config, that would explain it, unless there's a bug in namespacing as /var/lib/nginx is a ReadWritePath to otherwise ProtectSystem=strict service
2031 [16:13:08] <ratrace> Imma ask in #systemd
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2049 [16:19:03] <CQ> hello, I have a DNS problem on my machine... DHCP gets the right IP, but for some reason name resolution does not work
2050 [16:19:15] <CQ> ping: google.com: Name or service not known
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2052 [16:20:37] <CQ> /etc/network/interfaces is set up as in replaced-url
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2058 [16:21:27] <CQ> /etc/resolv.conf is empty
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2060 [16:21:43] <CQ> ...which is probably the issue, but who should be filling it?
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2086 [16:29:58] <yokowka> in easy tag part of songs are colored blue, other part has no color what that meaning, and how to rewright tags from not understanding symbols to cyrilic rus' yazyk?
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2096 [16:38:50] <seraphyn> CQ: Did you provide an DNS server via DHCP?
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2100 [16:41:10] <seraphyn> CQ: If not put in nameserver 8.8.8.8 ae
2101 [16:41:29] <CQ> seraphyn, yes, if I do that it works, but who should be setting that nameserver??
2102 [16:41:38] <CQ> something should set it automatically...
2103 [16:41:44] <CQ> I thought dhclient did that
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2105 [16:41:56] <CQ> this is a headless server, so no networkmanager
2106 [16:42:03] <seraphyn> CQ: Your DHCP Server normally, he freshs it up. with the local domain to search for
2107 [16:42:12] <CQ> afk; dinner, sorry...
2108 [16:42:22] <CQ> seraphyn, I'll dig around alittle later... that's what I thought too
2109 [16:42:24] <seraphyn> CQ: So it's your turn, and Server and DHCP. make it static
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2127 [16:51:33] <yokowka> in easy tag part of songs are colored blue, other part has no color what that meaning, and how to rewright tags from not understanding symbols to cyrilic rus' yazyk?
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2146 [16:59:33] <losgb1> Hi, I'm on Debian 10.1 Buster and I have issues with my printer. It's a samsung xpress C480w and I can't seem to make it print documents when connected to my computer. I have the right drivers installed and the printer is recognised by the computer (that is it shows in print settings and syslog reports the printer as connected) but still I can't
2147 [16:59:33] <losgb1> seem to be able to send tasks to it. Can anybody help fix this ?
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2159 [17:04:43] <seraphyn> losgb1: Go onto the cups admin page: replaced-url
2160 [17:04:53] <seraphyn> losgb1: So if there is anything fine
2161 [17:05:49] <losgb1> seraphyn With the printer on ?
2162 [17:06:04] <seraphyn> losgb1: Fore sure
2163 [17:06:07] <losgb1> ok
2164 [17:06:37] <seraphyn> losgb1: replaced-url
2165 [17:07:01] <seraphyn> losgb1: Everything you need to install your printer.
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2168 [17:07:36] <losgb1> seraphyn Just as a side not, it worked on Debian Stretch.
2169 [17:08:23] <seraphyn> losgb1: It is possible that you need some packages. So you need to install them extra. Could be some packages not upgraded well, or you dind't installt them now
2170 [17:08:46] <losgb1> ok
2171 [17:09:20] <losgb1> Just checked syslog and I got this message "systemd[1]: configure-printer@usb-001-066.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURENov 9 17:08:12 Net-PC2 systemd[1]: configure-printer@usb-001-066.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'."
2172 [17:09:49] <losgb1> "systemd[1]: configure-printer@usb-001-066.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILUREsystemd[1]: configure-printer@usb-001-066.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'."
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2177 [17:11:11] <losgb1> seraphyn What should I look for in the cups page ?
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2180 [17:12:01] <seraphyn> losgb1: Add your Printer
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2182 [17:12:56] <losgb1> ok
2183 [17:13:30] <dob1> can I do cat something |fzf when search in fzf and going to the line where the text I am search is?
2184 [17:13:38] <dob1> s/when/then
2185 [17:13:47] <dob1> damn bad english...
2186 [17:13:57] <dob1> can I do cat something |fzf when search in fzf and going to the line where the text I am searching is?
2187 [17:14:17] <losgb1> seraphyn Quick reminder, I have not installed cups as a print server for remote printing only as a local server. It asks for authentication, what should I give, my username and password ?
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2189 [17:15:18] <seraphyn> losgb1: See here, and root and rootpasswd
2190 [17:15:28] <losgb1> ok
2191 [17:15:29] <seraphyn> losgb1: Sorry need to go, buy some food for my family
2192 [17:15:35] <seraphyn> losgb1: BRB in 1 hour
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2213 [17:26:58] <losgb1> seraphyn When connected to cups I get this message for show completed jobs "canceled atSat 09 Nov 2019 17:21:23 CET "Filter failed""
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2229 [17:40:39] <_DeLa_> Why is replaced-url
2230 [17:41:16] <dob1> maybe it was bugged
2231 [17:41:35] <annadane> that package in sid is only available for arm64 and powerpc
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2233 [17:41:50] <annadane> well, powerpcspe, which i don't know if it's the same
2234 [17:42:01] <annadane> i imagine for inclusion in stable it has to be available for every arch
2235 [17:42:08] <annadane> check the tracker? tracker.debian.org
2236 [17:42:10] <_DeLa_> annadane: right! didn't notice that
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2238 [17:42:36] <annadane> it doesn't really answer the question because then the question becomes "why is it only available for those architectures?"
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2241 [17:43:50] <aHoo> installing php7.3-gd doesn't activate gd for my php
2242 [17:43:55] <aHoo> what am i missing?
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2244 [17:46:27] <DrBunsen> Hey all, it has been a few years since I last upgraded from a debian release to another. Are there any known issues with upgrading stretch to buster? I am most concerned about zfs surviving the upgrade. Any experiences?
2245 [17:47:37] <losgb1> There are a bunch of issues with installing Buster. I had to manually set suspend, lockscreen and a bunch of other things and now I'm having issues with my printer.
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2252 [17:49:45] <DrBunsen> losgb1: This is on a laptop? Because I am looking at a desktop install here. Laptops will be reinstalled if anything happens ;)
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2256 [17:52:39] <losgb1> Yeah laptop.
2257 [17:53:01] <annadane> i don't know about any show stopping problems but it's always worth it to read the release notes
2258 [17:53:04] <annadane> dpkg, stretch->buster
2259 [17:53:05] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
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2261 [17:53:40] <annadane> it links to section 4 but check out section 5 too
2262 [17:53:52] <annadane> "Chapter 5. Issues to be aware of for buster"
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2264 [17:54:45] <__marco__> Hello. An expert of python and Python/Debian quirks here? If I install my package as "sudo python setup.py install" it install the data files in /usr/local/share but I expect to find them in (python syntax) sys.prefix + '/share'
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2266 [17:56:03] <__marco__> Before, in the previous versions of Debian it was the case, I don't know what changed in the new versions and how I can get this installation dir
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2268 [17:57:36] <vlt> __marco__: Have you tried just installing it in a venv?
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2270 [17:58:21] <__marco__> vlt, I try. I just install it with --editable option that is not the same
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2272 [17:59:34] <_DeLa_> Noob question: Will installing replaced-url
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2274 [18:00:02] <jhutchins> Yes
2275 [18:00:39] <__marco__> vlt, the data files are installed in $VIRTUAL_ENV/share/{local,applications,pixmaps,..} and sys.prefix is correctly set to $VIRTUAL_ENV
2276 [18:01:16] <jhutchins> __marco__: THe problem is that you are installing a python package with a python script and asking for help in #debian.
2277 [18:01:48] <__marco__> vlt, so I can correctly access those files from python with "sys.prefix + '/share/...'
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2281 [18:03:10] <__marco__> vlt, if the package is installed globally, sys.prefix points to '/usr' but the data files are installed into '/usr/local'
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2284 [18:04:35] <__marco__> from replaced-url
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2286 [18:05:50] <__marco__> vlt, So, I don't know if something is changed in the new versions of Debian (10) that breaks this
2287 [18:06:49] <DrBunsen> annadane: thanks a ton
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2290 [18:09:55] <__marco__> vlt, Usually I put the data files into the package itself and use Python specific tools to load them, but someone pointed me out that mixing code and data file in a deb package causes Lintian (I don't remember the correct name of the tool) warnings and it will make the acceptance of the package in Debian more difficult
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2304 [18:21:08] <_DeLa_> jhutchins: If I install this .deb. file, all dependencies will still be met by debian 10 repositories (if they will be met), right? So it's not that bad, is it?
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2308 [18:22:19] <jhutchins> _DeLa_: The .deb file (if it comes from debian) will put things in location consistent with the rest of what debian has installed.
2309 [18:22:39] <jhutchins> _DeLa_: If it's a third-party .deb there's no guarantee of that.
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2318 [18:25:47] <_DeLa_> jhutchins: "consistent with the rest of what debian has installed." = what I have enabled in my sources.list, right
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2325 [18:29:50] <jhutchins> Debian packages should all make the same assumption about what files should go there. There's no absolute rule, which is why packages have to be built for a specific distribution. If a decision is made to change a standard, the change should take place at a major release point, which is why packages for a different release might not work.
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2327 [18:30:25] <jhutchins> Because there's no absolute cross-*nix rule for where things go, a third party package might not be consistent with the debian layout standard.
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2343 [18:40:46] <_DeLa_> jhutchins: thanks
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2350 [18:52:01] <ratrace> petn-randall: hey, did you figure out that audit/inotify problem you had?
2351 [18:52:27] <ratrace> I seem to have a similar now, I intend to use auditctl and put a watch on ownership change of some dirs...
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2353 [18:52:45] <no_gravity> Is there a way to create "virtual files" in memory that can be passed to programs as filename then? I vaguely remember that something like that could be done with pipes?
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2356 [18:55:26] <n_1-c_k> no_gravity, in bash you can do: $ cat <(echo "foo")
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2358 [18:56:08] <no_gravity> Yes, but the file needs to be read/write.
2359 [18:56:14] <no_gravity> For example: curl takes two cookie files as arguments. I would like to not have them on disk. Just in memory.
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2365 [18:59:46] <ratrace> no_gravity: you can create files under /dev/shm
2366 [19:00:08] <no_gravity> ratrace: That would be an option.
2367 [19:00:20] <no_gravity> ratrace: Is that guaranteed to be in memory?
2368 [19:00:25] <ratrace> no_gravity: it's a tmpfs on debian
2369 [19:00:38] <ratrace> no_gravity: or you can configure your /tmp to be a tmpfs too, and use that instead
2370 [19:00:56] <no_gravity> ratrace: Well, I want the script to run on as many environments as possible.
2371 [19:00:57] <ratrace> no_gravity: that said, there's no guarantee it won't end up in swap if that's what you're concerned with
2372 [19:01:06] <no_gravity> It would be nice if the file automaticall disappeard when the process ends that created it.
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2374 [19:02:02] <ratrace> no_gravity: in python, things like the tmpfile module ensures that (barring any bugs in the code, it's not ensured at the OS level, though files are created securely)
2375 [19:03:00] <no_gravity> I think I will simply create a file in /dev/shm
2376 [19:03:05] <ratrace> no_gravity: I think /dev/shm is bound to be a tmpfs on any linux distro
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2380 [19:03:37] <no_gravity> ratrace: Great, thanks!
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2383 [19:05:57] <ratrace> no_gravity: oh yea, /run too, at least on systemd systems
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2422 [19:27:18] <sponix> why did Docky get dropped from Buster ?
2423 [19:27:26] <sponix> ,v docky
2424 [19:27:27] <judd> Package: docky on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.0-2; stretch: 2.2.1.1-1
2425 [19:27:33] <ratrace> judd: bug rm docky
2426 [19:27:36] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2428 [19:28:07] <sponix> hmm, well I can't get plank to add a app launcher menu, tried many methods
2429 [19:28:24] <sponix> can cairo is said to be a resource hog
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2437 [19:31:46] <annadane> i hate plank
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2440 [19:31:51] <annadane> maybe i just used it wrong though
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2443 [19:32:38] <ratrace> I do plank every morning
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2447 [19:35:37] <annadane> i actually just use mate-panel these days and it does what i need it to
2448 [19:35:49] <annadane> plus rofi as application launcher
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2453 [19:38:27] <Ede|Popede> with a de or a wm? i installed icewm yesterday just to have a look at it (in Xephyr atm). using xfce since i returned to debian during squeeze (or was it wheey?), nice one, but i'm not sure what i am missing in the Xephyr environment tbh.
2454 [19:38:51] <annadane> de, mate
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2456 [19:40:00] <Ede|Popede> i think i never seriously used an alternative wm with a de (been on kde before for years)
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2460 [19:42:21] <alencar> Hello, guys. I'd like to know know to work/apply livepatch on Debian Buster. Do I need to work only with Kernel's source, or is there a way to work with compiled (deb pkg) kernel?
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2470 [19:51:50] <NetTerminalGene> does debian send every new kernel to microsoft to be signed?
2471 [19:52:06] <Mathisen> no
2472 [19:52:30] <NetTerminalGene> how do they sign it then?
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2474 [19:53:11] <Mathisen> if i understand you correct, it is just the shim that is signed to boot in secureboot
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2479 [19:56:28] <hans__> asdfgfr
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2483 [19:58:42] <jhutchins> alencar: I'm not sure livepatch is available on Debian yet.
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2488 [19:59:35] <jhutchins> I believe it's intel that does the signing.
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2490 [19:59:49] <jhutchins> NetTerminalGene: ^
2491 [19:59:54] <alencar> jhutchins: Got it, thanks
2492 [20:00:13] <NetTerminalGene> :O
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2494 [20:00:20] <jhutchins> alencar: It's a new thing in RHEL8 which just came out a couple of months ago.
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2497 [20:00:50] <jhutchins> (Actually, the concept has been worked on for decades.)
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2501 [20:01:38] <alencar> jhutchins: So, I need to do the old way: update kernel and reboot it, right?
2502 [20:01:43] <alencar> Well, thanks
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2505 [20:02:20] <ratrace> jhutchins: live patch? it's been available in Ubuntu quite some time now wiht a service, free tier + paid
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2515 [20:08:21] <jhutchins> ratrace: I've never heard of debian working on that, but that means nothing.
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2518 [20:08:59] <losgb1> Hi, I'm on Debian 10.1 Buster and I have issues with my printer. I have the correct drivers install but the printer does not print documents when connected to the computer. It is recognized by the computer (it shows in XFCE's print settings and syslog recognises the printer) but even then it doesn't print. All Iget when I plug the printer on is
2519 [20:08:59] <losgb1> this message "systemd[1]: configure-printer@usb-001-009.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE systemd[1]: configure-printer@usb-001-009.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'." and when I try and print a test page for instance, syslog tells me that the usb port the printer is connected is "removed". Any idea on how to fix
2520 [20:09:00] <losgb1> this ?
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2522 [20:09:12] <ratrace> jhutchins: I mean it's not a "couple of months ago" new thing, unless you specifically meant RHEL only
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2527 [20:11:28] <jhutchins> ratrace: Yeah, I've known of people working on it for various OSs for years, but it always seemed pretty non-mainstream.
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2529 [20:11:54] <jhutchins> 100% uptime is just insane. Sooner or later it has to break.
2530 [20:12:19] <ratrace> oh sure, and livepatch can't patch all the fixes, at least not in ubuntu
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2532 [20:12:50] <ratrace> imho it's just stupid. if you need max uptime, run redundancy at lower OSI layers and failover, replicate, load balance
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2534 [20:15:42] <jpw> Does anyone know why a systemd unit with Type=simple wouldn't immediately return like documented?
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2541 [20:20:02] <ratrace> jpw: where's that documented?
2542 [20:20:44] <emOne> ping
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2546 [20:21:11] <TandyUK> hey guys, im confused with debmirror.... replaced-url
2547 [20:21:36] <TandyUK> debmirror says network unreachable, yet wget (and curl/etc) can all download that url with no issues
2548 [20:21:39] <TandyUK> any ideas??
2549 [20:23:18] <jpw> @ratrace "the service manager will consider the unit started immediately after the main service process has been forked off." from `man systemd.service`
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2551 [20:24:44] <ratrace> jpw: I don't think that guarantees immediate return from the systemctl command though
2552 [20:25:00] <jpw> never mind, i'm an idiot
2553 [20:25:03] <ratrace> unless you meant something else by "return"?
2554 [20:25:11] <jpw> there was a Type=notify later in the unit
2555 [20:25:14] <ratrace> oh
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2569 [20:38:53] <emOne> hello
2570 [20:39:06] <Ankman> hello
2571 [20:39:29] <emOne> strange a certain irc channel on another server freezes for me
2572 [20:39:39] <emOne> a certain irc server I should say
2573 [20:39:43] <emOne> I though it was my VPN
2574 [20:39:51] <emOne> but everything works fine on freenode
2575 [20:40:12] <joze> freezing chatters?
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2583 [20:50:26] <Ankman> seems to be a server problem on IRC. sit it out
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2600 [21:01:38] <jpw> sounds like a question for that netowk's #help channel
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2604 [21:04:49] <vvor> Talking about freeze, any idea what can freeze an ssh conaction? I get the shell OK, type in any command press Enter and get a freeze...
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2620 [21:12:36] <ryouma> is it safe to just run tunefs -m 0 on a running or not-running fs?
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2623 [21:14:21] <jpw> i'm 90% sure it is. the man pages will warn you if there is anything to be aware of
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2638 [21:21:37] <ryouma> jpw: thanks. it says nothing for that. yay.
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2640 [21:22:48] <ryouma> jpw: i still don't get the fragmentation thing. why would reserved blocks prevent fragmentation, except inasmuch as root can write without affecting any non-root blocks?
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2651 [21:30:16] <ryouma> jpw: thanks. this is amazing. it's like you get a bigger disk for little effort.
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2667 [21:47:52] <TandyUK> tbf reserved blocks only really make sense on root drives (ie /, and perhaps /etc /var depending on your config)
2668 [21:48:37] <TandyUK> for example, if the disk fills (by user activity), and /var is on a disk with -m0, then you wouldnt be able to initiate a new ssh session, so without physical access youre screwed
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2671 [21:49:18] <TandyUK> but on a non-system data drive, it makes very little sense to reserve any blocks (mkfs.ext[234] default to '-m 5' though!)
2672 [21:49:46] <ryouma> i should run it on home and boot also
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2703 [22:20:59] <n_blownapart> hi I wonder if sponix is on with plenty of time to kill :)
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2710 [22:24:51] <crestfallen> replaced-url
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2715 [22:27:09] <crestfallen> the burn command the member suggested is this : sudo dd if=./MX-19_x64.iso of=/dev/USBStickName bs=8m
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2718 [22:28:06] <crestfallen> so first if someone could help, I want to be certain the command points to the right (usb) hard drive
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2721 [22:29:33] <revolutionary> hi all. how can i disable all display managers? For example i want to use gpg in TTY like asking passwords but i am seeing the "enter your password" section on display manager. Thanks
2722 [22:31:08] <crestfallen> I've used dd before, believing now that it properly formats the usb and wipes everything else on the usb.
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2735 [22:37:49] <RoyK> crestfallen: should work
2736 [22:38:12] <RoyK> crestfallen: dd just moves data, block by block, over to the new medium - nothing fancy
2737 [22:39:05] <crestfallen> thanks RoyK could you tell me how to write the target usb based on the screenshot replaced-url
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2739 [22:39:33] <crestfallen> i.e. the entire dd command?
2740 [22:39:55] <crestfallen> I'm not sure what I'm installing to the usb at all :)
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2743 [22:41:08] <RoyK> crestfallen: diskutil list
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2750 [22:44:03] <RoyK> crestfallen: that's the command in the terminal on macos to list the disks
2751 [22:44:06] <RoyK> attached
2752 [22:45:00] <crestfallen> copy that , it's confusing to read with all the partitions: replaced-url
2753 [22:46:44] <RoyK> looks to me like /dev/disk1 is your drive
2754 [22:46:54] <RoyK> try unplugging it and re-run diskutil list
2755 [22:47:02] <RoyK> then plug it in
2756 [22:47:06] <RoyK> and re-run it
2757 [22:47:14] <crestfallen> ok working...
2758 [22:47:16] <RoyK> so you won't overwrite anything crucial
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2761 [22:48:31] <RoyK> also - when using dd on a mac, don't dd to /dev/diskX
2762 [22:48:39] <RoyK> better dd to /dev/rdiskX
2763 [22:48:51] <RoyK> direct access - no buffering - it's way faster
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2766 [22:49:30] <crestfallen> ok yeah RoyK so disk2 contains the balenaEtcher thing which is confusing to me . that's sitting on its own disk or partition? copy that last post thanks RoyK
2767 [22:49:57] <RoyK> never mind
2768 [22:50:42] <b0br> hi all, people have been saying to me I should use Debian; I've been using Fedora and now Centos - SElinux is my friend, IPtables, fail2ban... I'm used to Yum, but, if I was to switch what could you see being teh advantages and disadvantages of Debian? Thank you <3 b0br
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2770 [22:51:07] <crestfallen> yeah so the command with the target would be sudo dd if=./MX-19_x64.iso of=/dev/rdisk1 bs=8m
2771 [22:51:08] <dob1> b0br, apt
2772 [22:51:17] <dob1> and no rpm
2773 [22:51:47] <RoyK> b0br: the advantage of debian, is it's stable like a rock. the disadvantage is that its packages may be a wee bit old
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2775 [22:51:54] <RoyK> b0br: but again - welcome
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2777 [22:52:16] <crestfallen> RoyK: do you fully understand what sponi.x was trying to help me with last night?
2778 [22:52:18] <RoyK> b0br: selinux isn't installed on debian by default
2779 [22:52:31] <RoyK> crestfallen: no
2780 [22:52:43] <crestfallen> ok :) !!
2781 [22:53:22] <crestfallen> I'll burn it anyway..
2782 [22:53:36] <revolutionary> ping
2783 [22:53:56] <RoyK> pong
2784 [22:54:06] <revolutionary> can someone help me?
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2786 [22:56:15] <cirilos> revolutionary, probably not, unless you try harder..
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2789 [22:57:02] <revolutionary> cirilos i tried harder but no luck. i found this systemctl set-default multi-user.target but didn't work. I disabled sddm but didn't work
2790 [22:57:54] <RoyK> !ask
2791 [22:57:55] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
2792 [22:58:02] <revolutionary> hi all. how can i disable all display managers? For example i want to use gpg in TTY like asking passwords but i am seeing the "enter your password" section on display manager. Thanks
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2797 [22:59:12] <crestfallen> RoyK: I wonder where and what that MX-19_x64.iso is. I've been looking inside /Volumes/balenaEtcher 1.5.63
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2806 [23:03:47] <RoyK> crestfallen: not really debian, is it?
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2809 [23:04:49] <cirilos> this MX thing looks promising. It says its based on debian repos
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2814 [23:05:51] <RoyK> still not supported here
2815 [23:06:31] <cirilos> lol
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2819 [23:07:33] <crestfallen> cirilos: any way you could guide me through this.. to get my network figured out on a new buster install?
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2823 [23:08:32] <cirilos> crestfallen, yeah sure, have you boot already ?
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2826 [23:09:50] <crestfallen> the thing boots. I went into nm-connection-editor , tried to set up the IPv4 settings . but the netmask keeps showing '25' after I save it, instead of 255.255.255.128. someone said last night that is was a formulaic abbreviation (25 was)
2827 [23:09:53] <crestfallen> cirilos
2828 [23:10:22] <crestfallen> I did nothing to the General settings in the editor, since I didn't know what to enter
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2830 [23:10:53] <crestfallen> also I'm writing you from another machine and sharing the hard wire. so its a bit tedious
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2834 [23:11:30] <cirilos> crestfallen, is this wired or wireless ? static or dhcp ?
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2836 [23:12:35] <crestfallen> well, it's wired. as for dhcp, it's a major uni network, so my admin gave me the addresses and DNS servers what-have-you
2837 [23:12:48] <crestfallen> not sure i.e.
2838 [23:13:42] <crestfallen> it boots nicely. all set to go..
2839 [23:14:20] <crestfallen> getting it to boot was murder. I had a fancy video card and took hours getting the firmware right..
2840 [23:14:51] <crestfallen> cirilos
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2845 [23:16:20] <cirilos> crestfallen, so what is the problem exactly ?
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2847 [23:17:16] <crestfallen> also, I was in /etc/network/interfaces trying various edits, based on members suggestions here.
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2850 [23:18:50] <crestfallen> I set IPv4 as best I could, using nm-connection-editor. the netmask field appeared to not be sticking.
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2853 [23:19:04] <crestfallen> giving '25' after the save
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2856 [23:19:18] <cirilos> crestfallen, 25 seems fine
2857 [23:19:23] <crestfallen> ok
2858 [23:19:40] <crestfallen> what about the General settings. what should it look like?
2859 [23:20:07] <crestfallen> or any settings on all those tabs. also if IPv6 is involved?
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2861 [23:20:25] <cirilos> crestfallen, General tab does not matter.. did you connect already ?
2862 [23:21:16] <crestfallen> no I haven't been able to connect. I did the working with the firmware on another machine in a different dept, so so far in my office I can't get internet
2863 [23:22:08] <crestfallen> i.e. I did the install in another building but burned the thumbdrive at home.
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2865 [23:23:37] <crestfallen> also for the record I used a netinst.iso that reads "firmware-included....iso" but that didn't help with missing firmware. I still needed to install the firmware manually. fwiw
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2870 [23:25:51] <crestfallen> cirilos: ^
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2873 [23:27:05] <cirilos> crestfallen, paste `ip a` `cat /etc/network/interfaces`
2874 [23:27:54] <crestfallen> ip command not found
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2876 [23:28:50] <cirilos> crestfallen, `ifconfig` then
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2878 [23:29:49] <crestfallen> sorry let me go to the machine now :P though I believe I wasn't getting ip to work yesterday. certainly not ifconfig cirilos
2879 [23:30:12] <crestfallen> give me 5 minutes I changed the file numerous times yesterday
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2886 [23:35:24] <ryouma> is dpkg-reconfigure getting less and less amenable to dumb terminals?
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2889 [23:37:15] <ryouma> from a shell script, i want to programmatically run dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc (or some tool that does exactly the same as dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc) and have it install grub to the specified disk. it will be run in a chroot. i don't want human interaction. i DO want the debconf settings to be done exactly like dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc would do if run manually.
2890 [23:38:11] <ryouma> (specifically, the remembered defaults need to be set in addition. which manual running of dpkg-reconfigure from a non-dumb terminal does.)
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2895 [23:40:24] <crestfallen> cirilos first off 'ip a' includes eno1 no carrier. let me upload a photo, hopefully you can see it.
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2897 [23:41:43] <crestfallen> cirilos: it worked! replaced-url
2898 [23:43:02] <crestfallen> so I tried to edit the interfaces file with eth0 eth1 eno0 etc. also changing 'allow-hotplug' to 'auto'
2899 [23:43:17] <crestfallen> I tried these changes yesterday. all failed.
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2901 [23:45:16] <ryouma> i have figured/found out that "debconf-show grub-pc | grep install.devices:" will SHOW me what debconf does when i run dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc (unless they change the keyword :/), but i do not know what to do in a non-interactive script to DO what dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc does.
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2904 [23:47:39] <rifataroo> hello there!
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2906 [23:48:21] <karlpinc> ryouma: man 7 debconf
2907 [23:49:58] <rifataroo> How do I make sure the audio is working in raspian?
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2912 [23:52:47] <ryouma> No manual entry for debconf in section 7
2913 [23:53:05] <ryouma> also, would that really do everything dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc would do?
2914 [23:53:07] <cirilos> crestfallen, you know you have to enable the connection through NetworkManager.. also look here <replaced-url
2915 [23:53:20] <ryouma> (i am using stretch)
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2917 [23:55:29] <rifataroo> Does it matter what audio controller you use or do I have to reconfigure something at the settings?
2918 [23:55:42] <crestfallen> enable? do you mean from the cli after the gui settings are set? also, please verify that IPv4 is where I should be setting the ip address et al. also , I don't think I was able to get 'network-manager-gnome' to run yesterday. thanks cirilos
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2921 [23:57:51] <karlpinc> ryouma: It's in the debconf-doc package.
2922 [23:57:52] <cirilos> crestfallen, just type `ip a add <yourIP>/25 dev eno1` and then `ip route add <yourIP/25> via <yourGW>` and then check with `ping 1.1.1.1`, for a temporary solution
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2924 [23:58:24] <ryouma> karlpinc: will try
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2926 [23:59:04] <xormor> Linux penguin 4.19.69-06666-g6c4f8cbba24e #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Sep 6 22:15:24 PDT 2019 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2927 [23:59:26] <cirilos> crestfallen, for a persistent solution outside NetworkManager, look here <replaced-url
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2929 [23:59:38] <crestfallen> cirilos: ok going to machine thanks kindly, hopefully you'll be around in a few minutes..
2930 [23:59:47] <cirilos> Linux turink 5.2.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.2.17-1 (2019-09-26) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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