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• 38[00:30:06] <sbingner> I have a package that needs to use dpkg-divert and I tried to make a rule that would correctly remove it in postrm when the package was downgraded "aka upgraded" to a lower version... but it seems that the file it installs in place of the diversion has not been removed yet on postrm, does anybody have any ideas? replaced-url
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• 41[00:33:37] <sbingner> ok yeah that code didn't work, dpkg just deleted the file after running postrm lmao
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• 49[00:36:44] <sbingner> yeah ok followed the flow chart, can confirm this is not possible and I don't understand the logic
• 50[00:37:06] <sbingner> why would postrm need to be run before old files are removed OR renamed :(
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• 59[00:47:43] <f0r3ns1cs> guys, whats the difference between DVD offline installations??
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• 63[00:52:01] <somiaj> f0r3ns1cs: very little. Installing from DVD means you most likely don't have the newest security fixes
• 64[00:53:52] <f0r3ns1cs> somiaj, so installing the 3.6gb or 4.4gb have no difference, except for the security fixes?
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• 67[00:54:55] <somiaj> f0r3ns1cs: what do you mean by that? I don't know what the 3.6gb or 4.4gb means. What matters is the collection of packages you want to install. DVD imaages only have a limited number of packages (though often what most people actually use)
• 68[00:55:36] <somiaj> provided you install the same packages it makes no difference what dvd image or if you install them from online. Here I am assuming you are using dvd images for stable 10.1, and the only difference between the images and using netinstall, is access to the security fixes since the 10.1 release
• 69[00:56:37] <f0r3ns1cs> somiaj they are sizes of the installations dvds, but you answer was useful
• 70[00:56:47] <f0r3ns1cs> somiaj ty mate
• 71[00:57:01] <somiaj> the only thing that would matter is if you wanted to install a package that was on the bigger image but not on the smaller one
• 72[00:57:30] <somiaj> but the dvd images contain more packages than you will probably install, depending on which DE and other software you choose
• 73[00:58:08] <f0r3ns1cs> somiaj, excellent explanation!
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• 99[01:20:37] <bigMouthCommie> running deb10, when i use SOME apps, it spits locale errors while tab-completing. it happens with scp, but not for cp
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• 101[01:21:16] <bigMouthCommie> also, the system has never had a monitor attached since install, but i run an x server with lightdm. can i force another resolution? i use it over vnc
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• 123[01:42:38] <bigMouthCommie> running deb10, when i use SOME apps, it spits locale errors while tab-completing. it happens with scp, but not for cp
• 124[01:42:41] <bigMouthCommie> also, the system has never had a monitor attached since install, but i run an x server with lightdm. can i force another resolution? i use it over vnc
• 125[01:43:29] <wskyx> have you got your locales installed?
• 126[01:44:04] <wskyx> check /etc/locale.gen
• 127[01:45:05] <bigMouthCommie> wskyx i've tried fixing my locales probably a half dozen separate times, following various tips, and this seems to be the last broken bit
• 128[01:45:38] <wskyx> if in doubt
• 129[01:45:46] <wskyx> dpkg-reconfigure locales
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• 131[01:46:15] <bigMouthCommie> en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8
• 132[01:46:29] <bigMouthCommie> thats the only uncommented one in locale.gen
• 133[01:46:48] <wskyx> and what's the locales you're lacking?
• 134[01:47:02] <wskyx> what does the message say?
• 135[01:47:12] <bigMouthCommie> oh! just a min! i'll get them
• 136[01:47:44] <bigMouthCommie> bash: warning: setlocale: LC_CTYPE: cannot change locale (en_NZ.UTF-8)
• 137[01:48:19] <bigMouthCommie> is that set in my .bashrc or something?
• 138[01:48:57] <bigMouthCommie> cat .bashrc |grep NZ
• 139[01:49:01] <bigMouthCommie> that returns no results
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• 160[02:02:41] <wskyx> bigMouthCommie: uncomment the en_NZ.UTF-8 line in /etc/locale.gen
• 161[02:02:47] <wskyx> then run locale-gen
• 162[02:03:45] <wskyx> that or use dpkg-reconfigure locales as root
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• 183[02:16:43] <bigMouthCommie> man. i just ran "locale" as user, and its STILL populating a bunch of en_NZ
• 184[02:17:52] <wskyx> your system is set to locales that is not enabled
• 185[02:18:15] <wskyx> you need to enable the locales syste-wide
• 186[02:18:53] <wskyx> system-wide
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• 191[02:23:44] <bigMouthCommie> so... how? i've run all the commands you've given me
• 192[02:23:50] <bigMouthCommie> and i know i've done it before
• 193[02:23:50] <bigMouthCommie> :(
• 194[02:23:54] <bigMouthCommie> i am very frustrated
• 195[02:24:28] <mutante> bigMouthCommie: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
• 196[02:24:30] <mutante> ?
• 197[02:24:43] <bigMouthCommie> more times than i can count
• 198[02:24:46] <mutante> there should be some menu to let you select them
• 199[02:24:46] <bigMouthCommie> but one more for my homies
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• 201[02:25:02] <whislock> bigMouthCommie: grep 'en_NZ' /etc/locale.gen
• 202[02:25:07] <whislock> What's the output?
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• 204[02:25:42] <bigMouthCommie> # en_NZ ISO-8859-1
• 205[02:25:42] <bigMouthCommie> # en_NZ.UTF-8 UTF-8
• 206[02:25:54] <whislock> So edit the file and remove the '# ' at the front of the UTF-8 line.
• 207[02:26:04] <bigMouthCommie> i just ran the command from mutante, only choosing en us utf8
• 208[02:26:14] <bigMouthCommie> whislock i dont want nz
• 209[02:26:19] <bigMouthCommie> i only want us
• 210[02:26:20] <whislock> Which one DO you want?
• 211[02:26:28] <whislock> grep 'en_US' /etc/locale.gen
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• 213[02:26:44] <bigMouthCommie> # en_US ISO-8859-1
• 214[02:26:44] <bigMouthCommie> # en_US.ISO-8859-15 ISO-8859-15
• 215[02:26:44] <bigMouthCommie> en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8
• 216[02:26:54] <whislock> echo $LANG
• 217[02:27:14] <bigMouthCommie> $ echo $LANG
• 218[02:27:14] <bigMouthCommie> en_NZ.UTF-8
• 219[02:27:29] <whislock> localectl set-locale LANG=en_US.UTF-8
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• 221[02:29:01] <bigMouthCommie> uh... should i include that in .bashrc
• 222[02:29:02] <bigMouthCommie> ?
• 223[02:29:04] <whislock> No.
• 224[02:29:06] <whislock> Just type it.
• 225[02:29:10] <whislock> As root, obv.
• 226[02:29:15] <bigMouthCommie> oooohh
• 227[02:29:17] <bigMouthCommie> just a min
• 228[02:29:19] <whislock> DID you add something lang-related to .bashrc?
• 229[02:29:57] <bigMouthCommie> not afaik
• 230[02:30:02] <whislock> Check. ;)
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• 232[02:31:27] <bigMouthCommie> just grepped it for lang
• 233[02:31:33] <bigMouthCommie> earlier i grepped it for nz
• 234[02:31:41] <bigMouthCommie> neither returned any results
• 235[02:31:53] <whislock> Let me know if that solves your issue.
• 236[02:32:08] <bigMouthCommie> nope
• 237[02:32:26] <whislock> Spawn a new login shell. 'su -'
• 238[02:32:28] <bigMouthCommie> i am connecting to this machine with ssh, and running all these commands in a screen session
• 239[02:33:01] <whislock> echo $LANG from within the new shell.
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• 242[02:33:18] <bigMouthCommie> uh... su - doesnt accept my userpass
• 243[02:33:29] <whislock> That's because it wants the root password.
• 244[02:33:31] <whislock> su != sudo
• 245[02:33:57] <bigMouthCommie> aha
• 246[02:33:58] <bigMouthCommie> ok
• 247[02:34:03] <bigMouthCommie> it looks like it did the thing
• 248[02:34:08] <bigMouthCommie> i even su user 'ed
• 249[02:34:13] <bigMouthCommie> and htat looks to be working
• 250[02:34:19] <whislock> Yeah, environment variables get set when you spawn a new login shell. :)
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• 252[02:34:39] <bigMouthCommie> well i did it but it's still not gonna apply to the current screen session is it?
• 253[02:34:44] <whislock> Nope.
• 254[02:34:47] <bigMouthCommie> also, THANK YOU WHISLOCK
• 255[02:34:57] <whislock> Though you can 'export LANG=en_US.UTF-8' in each currently-active shell.
• 256[02:34:59] <bigMouthCommie> this has been bugging me for, literally, years
• 257[02:35:02] <whislock> Its easiest to log out and back in, then.
• 258[02:35:18] <whislock> Years? Holy crap.
• 259[02:35:31] <bigMouthCommie> yo, i've run all the ol' commands you gve me except this lang command
• 260[02:35:35] <bigMouthCommie> $lang
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• 263[02:35:56] <bigMouthCommie> anyway... any tips on my other issue?
• 264[02:36:00] <whislock> Which other issue?
• 265[02:36:04] <whislock> I just sat down. :P
• 266[02:36:09] <bigMouthCommie> the system has never had a monitor attached since install, but i run an x server with lightdm. can i force another resolution? i use it over vnc
• 267[02:36:51] <whislock> I avoid VNC like the plague, so I doubt I'd be much help there.
• 268[02:37:10] <bigMouthCommie> well what if you wanted to run an x session headlessly
• 269[02:37:26] <bigMouthCommie> i doubt that the vnc bit is doing any of the real interaction
• 270[02:37:28] <whislock> I don't use VNC. I'd just forward X to my local terminal.
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• 272[02:37:51] <bigMouthCommie> whislock: you mean ssh -XYC ? or is there some other method?
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• 274[02:38:02] <wskyx> ssh -X
• 275[02:38:16] <bigMouthCommie> right ok. but the terminal i'm at doesnt have a local x server
• 276[02:38:21] <bigMouthCommie> (win10)
• 277[02:38:33] <whislock> So install one.
• 278[02:38:42] <wskyx> there is X.org implementation for windows
• 279[02:38:42] <bigMouthCommie> i'm user-privileged
• 280[02:38:46] <bigMouthCommie> (at work)
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• 282[02:39:07] <wskyx> then ignore the error, it's not crucial
• 283[02:39:17] <whislock> Xming doesn't need admin rights.
• 284[02:39:56] <bigMouthCommie> well i'm already comfortable with the vnc client, i'm just wondering how to get X or lightdm to choose a higher res
• 285[02:40:17] <bigMouthCommie> xfce's config gui has all the options greyed out
• 286[02:40:33] <bigMouthCommie> and configging x is.... intimidating
• 287[02:40:55] <bigMouthCommie> every time i've done it over the last decade and a half... it's felt like i'm just chanting magic words and waving my hands
• 288[02:41:01] <bigMouthCommie> idk how to really do anything with ti
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• 292[02:42:10] <whislock> bigMouthCommie: I can give this a WAG. What VNC server are you using?
• 293[02:42:17] <bigMouthCommie> x11vnc
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• 295[02:42:46] <bigMouthCommie> i'm not sure where the problem really is, but i srsly doubt its in the vnc server
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• 298[02:43:45] <whislock> Try launching x11vnc with '-geometry <width>x<height>'
• 299[02:43:58] <bigMouthCommie> ok... just a min
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• 303[02:45:15] <whislock> To be clear, I meant start the server that way.
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• 305[02:46:14] <bigMouthCommie> so
• 306[02:47:22] <bigMouthCommie> i did the thing yea but it just... renders bigger pixels? like the display is running openbazaar, which has a minimum window size, and it doesnt fit on the screen, and running the x11vnc server like that seems to just stretch the display, not add mor real pixels to it
• 307[02:47:32] <whislock> Oh, oops.
• 308[02:48:14] <whislock> bigMouthCommie: Okay, you're launching the server process manually, right?
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• 310[02:48:34] <bigMouthCommie> yea
• 311[02:48:42] <whislock> What resolution are you going for?
• 312[02:48:44] <bigMouthCommie> but not the x server
• 313[02:48:50] <bigMouthCommie> the x server comes up at boot
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• 316[02:49:03] <bigMouthCommie> idk. i think i'd be happy with 1600x900
• 317[02:49:12] <whislock> Try this one for me.
• 318[02:49:26] <whislock> X11VNC_CREATE_GEOM=1600x900 x11vnc [whatever other flags you use]
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• 320[02:50:52] <bigMouthCommie> literally just reverted back to how it looked before. i think its 800x600
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• 323[02:51:43] <bigMouthCommie> i feel strongly we are after the wrong tact here, and its somewhere in the x11 configs, not vnc
• 324[02:52:16] <whislock> Quite possibly. 1. I don't use VNC. 2. This is TRIVIAL with a reasonable VNC server.
• 325[02:52:31] <bigMouthCommie> thx anyway
• 326[02:52:42] <bigMouthCommie> going to ask in #emacs
• 327[02:53:12] <whislock> Those guys know everything except for text editors. ;)
• 328[02:53:22] <bigMouthCommie> twb is a genius
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• 338[03:07:47] <bigMouthCommie> well he gave me a good lead. he thinks my gfx card is being used
• 339[03:07:48] <bigMouthCommie> and
• 340[03:08:15] <bigMouthCommie> there might be some fix related to xvfb, but he wasnt clear on whether i should or shouldn't be using that
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• 343[03:12:03] <wskyx> maybe you want another vnc client
• 344[03:12:13] <wskyx> there is plenty of them
• 345[03:14:28] <bigMouthCommie> i am still convinced i should be able to just tell x what the resolution should be
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• 360[03:33:00] <graphicsv> I using LXQt and just can't see WiFi networks for some reason. Anyone?
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• 362[03:33:34] <wskyx> can you see them in the terminal?
• 363[03:33:46] <wskyx> using iw
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• 366[03:35:44] <Kyros> take off your tinfoil hat
• 367[03:35:52] <graphicsv> wskyx: Yes
• 368[03:36:15] <wskyx> is nm-applet running?
• 369[03:36:54] <wskyx> and is network-manager running
• 370[03:36:55] <graphicsv> Not sure what that is. I have the GUI to see WiFi networks on LXQt but it's just empty
• 371[03:37:01] <graphicsv> networkmanager is running, yes
• 372[03:37:15] <graphicsv> in fact, I restarted it several times
• 373[03:37:26] <wskyx> that's good, now you need a client called nm-applet to access networkmanager
• 374[03:38:03] <wskyx> there are many implementations of the client, lxqt might have one of it's own
• 375[03:38:41] <graphicsv> There's something called "Connman" here. Maybe that's the one?
• 376[03:38:54] <graphicsv> I remember seeing networks before but it's just not there anymore for some reason
• 377[03:39:03] <graphicsv> I'm guessing it's a LXqt bug. Maybe it's not ready on Debian Buster
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• 397[03:58:28] <tharkun> There used to be a snakeoil certificate on debian. Is it still being distributed?
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• 402[04:02:39] <graphicsv> Apparently this problem only happens on resume after hibernation!!
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• 404[04:05:21] <wskyx> maybe your wifi card isn't being woken up after sleep?
• 405[04:05:43] <wskyx> have you looked into rfkill?
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• 408[04:07:09] <tharkun> nm-cli might be an option and checking if the wifi switch is on might also help.
• 409[04:07:30] * tharkun slips to the back of the channel and continues to lurk.
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• 413[04:12:02] <graphicsv> wskyx: rfkill says wlan is softly unblocked and also hardly unblocked
• 414[04:12:18] <wskyx> and you still can't see the networks?
• 415[04:12:36] <graphicsv> After turning on/off, now I can see networks. But seems inconsistent for some reason.
• 416[04:12:46] <graphicsv> I mean, it works sometimes and sometimes it doesn't
• 417[04:13:06] <wskyx> this sounds like your driver has issues
• 418[04:13:10] <wskyx> what wlan card is that?
• 419[04:14:00] <wskyx> is your firmware up to date?
• 420[04:14:09] <graphicsv> wskyx: `05:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 31)` :)
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• 422[04:14:51] <graphicsv> wskyx: How can I see if firmware is up to date?
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• 425[04:15:37] <wskyx> what does dpkg -l firmware-atheros say?
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• 427[04:16:39] <wskyx> is the chip new?
• 428[04:17:14] <wskyx> you might want to use latest firmware
• 429[04:17:23] <wskyx> and a recent kernel
• 430[04:17:34] <wskyx> sounds like drivers bug
• 431[04:17:44] <graphicsv> wskyx: replaced-url
• 432[04:17:55] <graphicsv> wskyx: Version 20190114-2
• 433[04:18:02] <wskyx> this is recent firmware
• 434[04:18:12] <wskyx> i'd check it under a backported kernel
• 435[04:18:30] <wskyx> what debian is this you're using?
• 436[04:18:37] <wskyx> stable?
• 437[04:20:41] <graphicsv> Yes. latest version. I think it's related to hibernation. It was working fine with latest version of Plasma. This is fresh install with LXQt and I enabled hibernation and suddently stopped working.
• 438[04:20:41] <graphicsv> Let me try hibernating it again
• 439[04:20:41] <wskyx> this might depend on your driver, try a different kernel perhps
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• 448[04:27:06] <wskyx> graphicsv: have you looked in dmesg?
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• 456[04:35:06] <graphicsv> Apparently turning off and on makes the Wi-Fi to work again
• 457[04:35:34] <wskyx> like with a hardware switch?
• 458[04:35:41] <wskyx> have you tried that?
• 459[04:36:34] <graphicsv> wskyx: Yes, turning off and on with the Fn button. Then it works again.
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• 461[04:36:45] <wskyx> cool beans
• 462[04:36:52] <graphicsv> These are the last lines of dmesg after resuming from hibernation -> replaced-url
• 463[04:37:14] <graphicsv> This hibernation feature it's quite nice because it saves a lot of battery. So I want to keep using it :)
• 464[04:37:25] <wskyx> yeah some driver/firmware bug
• 465[04:39:55] <wskyx> i guess using the switch is convinient enough
• 466[04:40:05] <wskyx> what's your kernel btw?
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• 493[05:17:07] <graphicsv> wskyx: Latest version of Debian Buster
• 494[05:17:25] <graphicsv> wskyx: What exactly do you mean by switch?
• 495[05:17:30] <wskyx> you might want to try backported kernel
• 496[05:17:43] <graphicsv> Alright. Let me do that just now
• 497[05:18:27] <wskyx> well you got a hardware wifi switch in your laptop you just used
• 498[05:18:40] <wskyx> buttons that turn wifi of or on
• 499[05:19:54] <wskyx> off and on*
• 500[05:20:34] <graphicsv> I'm going to try 5.2 *-*
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• 553[06:17:31] <timahvo1> Hi, I am trying to get back my right click context menu(open,open with,copy,cut,paste) in thunar. It used to be bound to the multi key but not anymore. Any ideas how to go about this ?
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• 557[06:21:29] <graphicsv> Same thing :/
• 558[06:21:46] <wskyx> well nothing can be done then
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• 560[06:21:54] <wskyx> just use the buttons
• 561[06:22:08] <wskyx> you can file a bug in the driver then
• 562[06:22:28] <graphicsv> No need. It works when I toggle, so...
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• 565[06:22:52] <wskyx> yeah that's not perfect bood good enough
• 566[06:23:00] <wskyx> i guess
• 567[06:23:14] <wskyx> happens so often on linux
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• 569[06:24:25] <graphicsv> Would you know if guys have a fix for this bug already? replaced-url
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• 604[07:13:01] <rue_mohr> anyone know how to install source for the kernel, I did an apt-get source and it kacked without unpacking the files and applying the patches, which I'm not sure how to do by hand
• 605[07:13:20] <KOLANICH> Hello everybody. Does anybody know how to use python gpgme with a concrete keyring file?
• 606[07:13:23] <rue_mohr> am I better off downloading the real kernel source and compling my own?
• 607[07:14:46] <rue_mohr> I guess I can try that route while I wait another 24 for an anser
• 608[07:18:30] <wskyx> graphicsv: replaced-url
• 609[07:18:41] <wskyx> that's backported, newer firmware for your chip
• 610[07:19:01] <wskyx> you might want to intall it
• 611[07:19:15] <wskyx> install*
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• 638[07:34:13] <rue_mohr> hmm, building a custom kernel on debian might be more of a challange than is used to be
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• 706[08:34:09] <Azimoth> Hi, I'm running a distro where there's no user called "replaced-url
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• 709[08:35:49] <wskyx> Azimoth: if there is no replaced-url
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• 712[08:37:05] <Azimoth> wskyx: yes, by default by a user called "nginx". I'm trying to figure out, if I can simply use this or whether I should expect to run into permission issues down the road...
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• 714[08:37:19] <wskyx> ask elsewhere
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• 716[08:37:27] <wskyx> this is a debian channel
• 717[08:37:43] <Azimoth> And replaced-url
• 718[08:38:14] <Azimoth> I thought I remembered, this user was automatically available on debian last time, but that's a few years ago...
• 719[08:38:16] <wskyx> maybe a package install script creates it?
• 720[08:38:44] <Azimoth> if it's not a default thing, maybe, yes...
• 721[08:38:50] <jelly> Azimoth: it exists by default.
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• 724[08:39:49] <jelly> Azimoth: and a group with the same name as well.
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• 726[08:40:39] <Azimoth> jelly: so what would I need to use with useradd to have an equivalent user to the debian default?
• 727[08:40:55] <wskyx> ask at your distro support channel\
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• 729[08:41:23] <jelly> Azimoth: Debian's web servers are compile-time configured and built to use that user by default. If your web server is built in a different manner, there's no particular reason to have a user or group with that same name
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• 734[08:44:18] <Azimoth> jelly: ok, I'll try my luck with "the other" default then...
• 735[08:44:46] <jelly> we don't know how other distros build their nginx and why
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• 741[08:47:40] <Azimoth> jelly: of course not, hence I asked for the debian default for replaced-url
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• 754[08:54:37] <jelly> Azimoth: you can find /etc/passwd and /etc/group initial settings in base-passwd package. replaced-url
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• 759[08:58:48] <Azimoth> jelly: thx! I think this is what I was looking for!
• 760[08:58:50] <Azimoth> _9
• 761[08:58:54] <Azimoth> :)
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• 773[09:08:43] <aHoo> there is a problem with PHP and apache2.
• 774[09:09:01] <aHoo> in buster/current
• 775[09:09:04] <jelly> nowai
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• 778[09:09:58] <aHoo> i'm talking about an out-of-the-box-insecurity
• 779[09:10:11] <breakout> Windows ?
• 780[09:10:12] <jelly> !ask
• 781[09:10:12] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 782[09:11:01] <aHoo> simply installing the debian web server install profile and hosting php to the public opens an fupload unintentional backdoor
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• 784[09:11:21] <aHoo> replaced-url
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• 787[09:11:49] <aHoo> these work, out of the box
• 788[09:11:55] <aHoo> with no special apache config
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• 790[09:12:18] <aHoo> php.ini default
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• 793[09:15:01] <jelly> aHoo: what does "hosting php to the public mean"? A <?php phpinfo(); ?> page or more? What does "work" mean?
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• 795[09:16:05] <aHoo> a) having PHP enabled on the server and having set-up the default vhost to execute php
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• 797[09:16:35] <aHoo> b) uploading any file and executing it
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• 800[09:17:16] <humbot> a) okay fine, b) ...WHAT
• 801[09:17:16] <aHoo> (in php)
• 802[09:17:18] <jelly> aHoo: to upload a file you need a valid user with write permissions already, do you not?
• 803[09:17:44] <aHoo> jelly, i have not change any permission.
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• 807[09:21:01] <jelly> aHoo: so you're saying if you have put a php page that allows for upload, if you allow upload to happen inside DocumentRoot, and do not do any validation in that app, someone will be able to upload a file with .php extension under DocumentRoot and call it?
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• 809[09:22:48] <aHoo> i have not fully comprehend what the code does.
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• 811[09:23:08] <aHoo> fact is i have found an .index.php.swp file in my document root
• 812[09:23:09] <jelly> isn't that an application issue? (and how can interpreter config help with that)
• 813[09:23:17] <aHoo> is there a binary snippet service?
• 814[09:23:33] <aHoo> b0nano 3.2 � root deb-ras-dev /home/johndoe/drama/0002/index.php
• 815[09:23:33] <jelly> that's a lock file for vim
• 816[09:23:33] <aHoo>
• 817[09:23:34] <aHoo> U
• 818[09:23:43] <ayekat> .index.php.swp looks like a vim swap file
• 819[09:23:47] <wskyx> you're spamming, buddy
• 820[09:23:49] <aHoo> exactly
• 821[09:23:55] <aHoo> (sorry about that)
• 822[09:24:04] <jelly> if you run "vim index.php" such a file will be created
• 823[09:24:11] <aHoo> someone opened and saved my index.php with vim.
• 824[09:24:20] <aHoo> i got practically rooted.
• 825[09:24:29] <wskyx> sorry to hear man
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• 827[09:24:46] <ayekat> aHoo: was that someone you? or are you 100% sure you never ever ran vim?
• 828[09:24:50] <jelly> yeah, that happens if your web developer writes unsafe php apps
• 829[09:25:27] <aHoo> i have not installed or executed any php on that server yet, ayekat.
• 830[09:25:37] <aHoo> i mean jelly.
• 831[09:25:41] <bolt> C++ has that same vulnerability! D:
• 832[09:25:41] <jelly> aHoo: who put that index.php there?
• 833[09:25:49] <jelly> no you?
• 834[09:25:57] <ayekat> aHoo: php doesn't need to be installed on a server in order for .php files to exist on a machine
• 835[09:26:00] <aHoo> ayekat, i hate vim. whenever i launch it by accident, all i do is hit escape, . and !
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• 837[09:26:26] <aHoo> ayekat, lol are you denying it's a php thing?
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• 839[09:26:30] <bolt> aHoo: <esc> :q! <enter>
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• 841[09:26:32] <ayekat> that does not answer my question
• 842[09:26:51] <aHoo> bolt, right, i konfabulated again.
• 843[09:27:01] * ayekat .oO(ugh, this is going nowhere)
• 844[09:27:24] <aHoo> please, what was your question, ayekat?
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• 846[09:27:47] <ayekat> aHoo: did you put that index.php there or not?
• 847[09:27:59] <ratrace> > installs PHP > complains that it's set up to work out of the box
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• 849[09:28:17] <aHoo> ayekat, of course NO i did not put fucking trojan software into my docroot
• 850[09:28:48] <aHoo> ratrace, fuck yes!
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• 853[09:29:08] <aHoo> ratrace, after all this is fuckin debian. not ubuntu. tho they probably have a save setup.
• 854[09:29:12] <jelly> aHoo: okay, and which user and group is it owned by? ls -ld /path/to/the/file
• 855[09:29:16] <ratrace> but that's debian. packages are set up to work out of the box, where possible, upon installation
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• 857[09:29:40] <bolt> aHoo: are you saying that if I take a brand new install, add apache2, enable php(7?), i'm vulnerable? without adding any php code?
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• 859[09:29:56] <wskyx> aHoo: debian is not responsible for all the 3rd party stuff you do
• 860[09:30:25] <wskyx> this is just a platform
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• 862[09:30:56] <revolutionary> Hi all. I am doing these steps (cryptsetup-team.pages.debian.net/cryptsetup/encrypted-boot.html) but i am getting "/dev/sda5/ still in use" error. then i tried to umount /dev/sda5 but this time i got not umounted. Can someone help me? I stuck.
• 863[09:31:03] <aHoo> so you're saying the supplied standard packages are not configured safe out of the box?
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• 866[09:31:11] <revolutionary> i stuck 2.2.1 section. when i tried to convert LUKS2 to LUKS1 i am getting /dev/sda5 in still use. then i rebooted for doing with live cd this time i am seeing grub-rescue
• 867[09:31:27] <bolt> aHoo: they are perfectly safe, unless you ask them to not be
• 868[09:31:29] <bolt> aHoo: are you saying that if I take a brand new install, add apache2, enable php(7?), i'm vulnerable? without adding any php code?
• 869[09:31:38] <wskyx> aHoo: lets say you put your login:pass on the front page, who's fault is it
• 870[09:31:43] <aHoo> bolt, yes i'm saying that BUT
• 871[09:31:49] <jelly> aHoo: there's not enough info to say anything. The symptoms described, right now, don't even point to a problem with php at all. Might be someone logged in and edited files.
• 872[09:31:53] <revolutionary> anyone?
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• 874[09:32:14] <ratrace> revolutionary: patience
• 875[09:32:18] <aHoo> bolt, i'm not saying it until i have proof which is why i do exactly that. install all vanilla on that machine and run a penetration test.
• 876[09:32:24] <revolutionary> ok sorry
• 877[09:32:31] <aHoo> but for, i'll give ubuntu server another try
• 878[09:32:42] <aHoo> which is useless
• 879[09:32:43] <wskyx> and you'll get hacked again
• 880[09:32:51] <aHoo> because they use the same packages right?
• 881[09:33:03] <bolt> aHoo: they'll both do what you ask them to
• 882[09:33:06] <wskyx> because the problem is not your platform itself
• 883[09:33:06] <jelly> aHoo: unless you can provide more info, it will still be hard to figure out what happened and how.
• 884[09:33:09] <ayekat> unless you understand the problem, there is no point in randomly picking distributions and pray that the problem magically goes away
• 885[09:33:30] <ratrace> I have yet to understand what the problem is here
• 886[09:33:55] <jelly> wskyx: it might be, it might not, we don't know yet
• 887[09:34:05] <wskyx> this is not a 0day scenario
• 888[09:34:08] <aHoo> there is no problem. i have no proof yet so everything i'm saying is anectodal and nonsense.
• 889[09:34:35] <jelly> aHoo: what you're NOT saying is ls -ld /path/to/index.php
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• 891[09:35:09] <aHoo> don't ask me.
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• 894[09:35:24] <ratrace> revolutionary: is this the first installation? or are you trying to convert an existing one?
• 895[09:35:53] <revolutionary> ratrace my installation is done. i am trying to encrypt /boot partition
• 896[09:36:01] <revolutionary> but i stuck
• 897[09:36:20] <jelly> revolutionary: get your shell out of /boot directory
• 898[09:36:26] <ratrace> revolutionary: please pastebin the command you executed and its output
• 899[09:36:29] <revolutionary> my OS is ready to use. i am just trying to encrypt /boot
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• 902[09:36:44] <wskyx> revolutionary: /boot has to be plain unencrypted
• 903[09:36:48] <ratrace> wskyx: nah
• 904[09:36:51] <jelly> revolutionary: you can't umount a filesystem if a process is using it (as a current dir)
• 905[09:37:25] <jelly> revolutionary: or if there's a mountpoint below, like /boot/efi
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• 907[09:37:37] <wskyx> ratrace: ya-ha
• 908[09:37:38] <revolutionary> jelly but when i rebooted i am seeing grub-rescue because i encrypted /boot parititon on previuous steps and it is not finished yet
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• 910[09:38:13] <ratrace> wskyx: le sigh.... grub can work with encrypted /boot.
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• 912[09:38:35] <wskyx> either way, it's not osmething that works just like that
• 913[09:38:40] <ratrace> wskyx: there are just some gotchas. 1) you need to enable that in the grub config, and 2) apparently it needs to be LUKS1 which I'm not personally sure of
• 914[09:38:41] <jelly> revolutionary: oh, so which steps did you do and which not?
• 915[09:38:45] <revolutionary> ratratce i am using cryptsetup convert --type luks1 /dev/sda5 and i am getting "Cannot convert device /dev/sda5 which still in use"
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• 917[09:39:13] <wskyx> revolutionary: because the device is in use
• 918[09:39:15] <revolutionary> wskyx i know buddy. my website does have all steps, thanks but i stuck at converting step
• 919[09:39:16] <ratrace> revolutionary: right you probably have to luksClose it first, aftre you've umounted the fs on it, after you've cd'd out of there as jelly suggested
• 920[09:39:25] <jelly> revolutionary: because you seem to be saying contradictory things
• 921[09:39:27] <wskyx> it can't do that on a system on the run
• 922[09:39:51] <wskyx> the container is open and the fiesystem is mounted
• 923[09:40:00] <wskyx> so it can't do that
• 924[09:40:07] <revolutionary> ratrace you mean first close luks and then umount? but this is system partition can i umount?
• 925[09:40:33] <ratrace> revolutionary: no, first umount and then luksClose. we're talking about separate /boot here, correct?
• 926[09:40:51] <ratrace> you can totally do that on a running system, /boot is not critical like /
• 927[09:40:52] <revolutionary> ratrace when i try to umount i am getting not umounted error
• 928[09:41:05] <ratrace> revolutionary: please pastebin the command you executed and its output
• 929[09:41:13] <revolutionary> can you tell me exact command for umount
• 930[09:41:20] <ratrace> umount /boot
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• 932[09:41:39] <revolutionary> not boot
• 933[09:41:44] <ratrace> ?
• 934[09:41:48] <revolutionary> i must umount /dev/sda5
• 935[09:41:55] <revolutionary> i wrote above
• 936[09:41:57] <ratrace> what's on sda5?
• 937[09:42:00] <revolutionary> please read
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• 939[09:42:16] <revolutionary> i am trying to convert LUKS2 to LUKS1
• 940[09:42:18] <ratrace> what's on sda5?
• 941[09:42:21] <revolutionary> i am trying to convert LUKS2 to LUKS1
• 942[09:42:25] <ratrace> revolutionary: what's on sda5?
• 943[09:42:46] <revolutionary> ratrace sda5 means sda, right?
• 944[09:42:53] <ratrace> no
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• 947[09:43:10] <revolutionary> sda5 my luks container
• 948[09:43:16] <ratrace> revolutionary: please pastebin the command you executed and its output
• 949[09:43:22] <revolutionary> ok
• 950[09:44:17] <revolutionary> i can't use pastebin because it is on seperate pc. My command: umount /dev/sda5 and output: umount: /dev/sda5: not mounted
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• 952[09:44:43] <ratrace> revolutionary: so then what's the problem?
• 953[09:44:46] <ayekat> revolutionary: for unmounting, you specify the path where it is mounted, not the device itself
• 954[09:44:54] <ratrace> revolutionary: it's not mounted. what's the next command you're trying?
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• 956[09:45:03] <PureHate> like media on ubuntu
• 957[09:45:10] <ratrace> ayekat: eh no you can specify the device too
• 958[09:45:12] <jelly> revolutionary: if you don't know what /dev/sda5 partition is used for, pastebin the output of "lsblk" and "blkid". The whole of "2.2" section is done under the assumption you don't want a separate /boot.
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• 961[09:45:52] <ayekat> ratrace: oh, true
• 962[09:45:58] <jelly> revolutionary: if you actually want a separate /boot, and did 2.1, there's no need to do 2.2 AT ALL
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• 964[09:46:08] <jelly> > Alternatively, it can be moved to the root file system [...]
• 965[09:46:23] <revolutionary> jelly ayekat ratrace i just want to encrypt /boot partition. That's all
• 966[09:46:24] <ratrace> that's what I assumed was being done here, sda5 being /boot
• 967[09:46:27] <revolutionary> which steps can i skip?
• 968[09:46:34] <ratrace> revolutionary: answer the question first
• 969[09:46:36] <jelly> revolutionary: did you do 2.1?
• 970[09:46:47] <revolutionary> 2.2.1
• 971[09:47:05] <jelly> revolutionary: I'm asking about 2.1, did you do that?
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• 977[09:48:47] <revolutionary> jelly yes i did those yesterday night and i couldn't umount (my silly) and then i rebooted for doing on live cd this time i saw grub-rescue screen. then i today re-formatted again
• 978[09:49:06] <revolutionary> and when i tried to convert LUKS2 to LUKS1 i got /dev/sda5 can not convert which still in use. I guess this means first close luks container and then convert, right?
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• 980[09:49:11] <jelly> if you "reformatted" all the things done before that are irrelevant.
• 981[09:49:33] <jelly> revolutionary: do you have a separate /boot filesystem?
• 982[09:49:34] <ratrace> what does "reformatted" even mean. there's no "format C:" in debian
• 983[09:49:35] <revolutionary> jelly but i was seeing grub-rescue screen and i didn't know how can i pass that
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• 985[09:49:39] <revolutionary> no
• 986[09:49:43] <revolutionary> not seperate
• 987[09:49:55] <revolutionary> what do you mean seperate
• 988[09:50:06] <revolutionary> on USB Drive something like that?
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• 990[09:50:15] <jelly> revolutionary: a separate partition just for stuff that's in /boot
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• 993[09:50:52] <revolutionary> my setup is sda1 /boot, sda5 LUKS container
• 994[09:51:04] <ratrace> LOL!
• 995[09:51:06] <jelly> revolutionary: that means you DO have a separate /boot on /dev/sda1
• 996[09:51:11] <jelly> good
• 997[09:51:20] <jelly> revolutionary: you have two options.
• 998[09:51:41] <revolutionary> i am listening
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• 1001[09:52:26] <jelly> revolutionary: either convert that separate unencrypted /boot to LUKS1 and /boot on top, the steps in 2.1 OR, BUT NOT BOTH, move all the contents of /boot back to / filesystem and convert that from LUKS2 to LUKS1, that's 2.2
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• 1004[09:53:15] <revolutionary> jelly then i don't need to umount /dev/sda5 because that error means first close LUKS, right?
• 1005[09:53:28] <ratrace> 3rd) ask yourself do you even need encrypted /boot because it doesn't sound like you know what you're doing
• 1006[09:53:35] <jelly> revolutionary: you tell us which choice you're making
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• 1011[09:53:52] <jelly> revolutionary: separate /boot or not?
• 1012[09:54:07] <revolutionary> jelly which one is more secure?
• 1013[09:54:15] <revolutionary> separate or not?
• 1014[09:54:15] <jelly> they're equivalent
• 1015[09:54:35] <revolutionary> i don't want to separate
• 1016[09:54:48] <jelly> you ALREADY HAVE a separate /boot
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• 1018[09:55:02] <revolutionary> but you said you can move that
• 1019[09:55:09] <jelly> it's sligthly easier to just leave it that way.
• 1020[09:55:11] <revolutionary> to the / filesystem
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• 1022[09:55:59] <jelly> revolutionary: yes. You can either encrypt /boot in the same place, OR move it to already encrypted / but then you need to convert / back from LUKS2 to LUKS1
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• 1024[09:56:40] <revolutionary> if i want to move /boot to the / filesystem then i need to convert LUKS2 to LUKS1, right?
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• 1029[09:57:00] <revolutionary> and by the way how can i close a luks container
• 1030[09:57:16] <jelly> revolutionary: you'd probably need to do that from a live cd
• 1031[09:57:43] <revolutionary> jelly when i rebooted to live cd after that i am seeing grub rescue
• 1032[09:57:50] <revolutionary> because i did all steps before that
• 1033[09:57:59] <revolutionary> encrypt boot etc.
• 1034[09:58:03] <jelly> revolutionary: did you do steps in 2.1?
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• 1036[09:58:28] <ratrace> revolutionary: if you reboot to live cd then you should see live CD and not grub rescue, unless your live CD is broken
• 1037[09:58:30] <revolutionary> yes i did but i saw grub-rescue then i started from scratch
• 1038[09:58:43] <revolutionary> ratrace you couldn't get the issue
• 1039[09:58:53] <ratrace> you LITERALLY said that
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• 1041[09:59:00] <jelly> revolutionary: and where are you right now, after starting from scratch?
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• 1044[09:59:10] <revolutionary> jelly i didn't do anything now.
• 1045[09:59:25] <revolutionary> i am just waiting an answer for converting luks2 to luks1
• 1046[09:59:35] <revolutionary> just my installation is done and OS ready to use
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• 1048[10:00:04] <ratrace> revolutionary: 1) boot to live CD 2) do not unlock, mount or anything on the sda* 3) run the convert command
• 1049[10:00:34] <jelly> revolutionary: the answer to that question is "you did not need to do it AT ALL since you did the alternative separate encrypted /boot steps"
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• 1051[10:00:47] <revolutionary> jelly
• 1052[10:01:14] <jelly> revolutionary: you EITHER do steps in 2.1 or you do steps in 2.2., not both
• 1053[10:01:16] <revolutionary> could you please tell me if i don't want to mount /boot partition to the / filesystem which steps should i skip?
• 1054[10:01:29] <jelly> revolutionary: skip the whole of 2.1.
• 1055[10:01:30] <revolutionary> i don't want to mount /boot to the /
• 1056[10:01:36] <jelly> why not?
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• 1059[10:02:18] <revolutionary> because i need to convert luks2 to luks1
• 1060[10:02:21] <revolutionary> isn't it?
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• 1063[10:03:25] <jelly> revolutionary: you only "need" that if you choose to do it that way
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• 1066[10:05:25] <revolutionary> jelly the problem is if i want to move /boot to the /root i need to do all steps until 2.2.2 and i can't close luks container and i need to reboot to live cd. I rebooted to live cd and made the changes. After this when i rebooted to normal OS i saw grub-rescue BECAUSE i didn't complete all the steps.
• 1067[10:05:31] <revolutionary> i hope i could explain
• 1068[10:06:00] <revolutionary> you are saying boot live cd. Okay i will but after that i will see grub-rescue screen
• 1069[10:06:03] <jelly> revolutionary: let's stick to current state.
• 1070[10:06:28] <revolutionary> current state?
• 1071[10:06:40] <jelly> revolutionary: what you have right now.
• 1072[10:06:48] <PureHate> os-prober
• 1073[10:06:48] <jelly> revolutionary: do you have a bootable system?
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• 1075[10:07:04] <revolutionary> yes my installation is done now and ready to use
• 1076[10:07:06] <revolutionary> debian 10 buster
• 1077[10:07:42] <revolutionary> i have to take water, just 2min
• 1078[10:07:49] <jelly> revolutionary: that's current state. If you let debian-installer do its thing, you have a separate, unencrypted /boot, and a LUKS2 container for / and everything else.
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• 1080[10:08:17] <jelly> revolutionary: at this point, you can freely pick: EITHER a separate encrypted /boot, and do steps 2.1, OR copy all the /boot stuff back to /, and do steps in 2.2.
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• 1084[10:10:23] <jelly> revolutionary: if you choose 2.1 there is no need to copy /boot, there is no need to convert LUKS2 to LUKS1
• 1085[10:10:45] <jelly> so the question about the previous state is moot
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• 1087[10:12:00] <jelly> if you choose to do 2.2 instead, then 2.2.1 involves a live cd (and it says so right there)
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• 1090[10:13:22] <jelly> personally I'd do 2.1 because the final state leaves that tiny partition on /dev/sda1 unused and that's silly
• 1091[10:14:08] <ratrace> yeah my OCD would be screaming at that
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• 1093[10:14:38] <PureHate> mine 2
• 1094[10:15:07] <PureHate> touch *
• 1095[10:15:12] <PureHate> would drive me nuts
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• 1099[10:17:36] <revolutionary> jelly if i don't want to move /boot to the /root section i can skip whole 2.2 steps, right?
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• 1101[10:17:48] <ratrace> side-note, can the debian installer do a fully encrypted / with no separate /boot ? I think that with manual partitioning that'd be possible, one would just have to fix /etc/default/grub with GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK and re-run grub-update from the chroot
• 1102[10:18:25] <ratrace> *update-grub
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• 1105[10:19:47] <PureHate> apt update ;;; os-prober ;;; update-grub
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• 1110[10:22:07] <jelly> revolutionary: correct
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• 1120[10:28:59] <revolutionary> jelly if i want to move /boot partition to the /root file system what should i do exactly?
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• 1122[10:30:11] <jelly> revolutionary: I don't know exactly. Roughly, skip the 2.1 steps and do 2.2 instead.
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• 1143[10:40:23] <revolutionary> ratrace the problem is GRUB2 doesn't support LUKS2
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• 1145[10:40:40] <wskyx> then why did you convert your luks volume
• 1146[10:40:46] <wskyx> revert it now
• 1147[10:41:33] <ratrace> revolutionary: yea
• 1148[10:42:05] <ratrace> wskyx: they didn't, they probably used the default debian installer to install encrypted root, which does LUKS2 with separate, unencrypted /boot
• 1149[10:42:21] <wskyx> that's what it does indeed
• 1150[10:42:28] <wskyx> '
• 1151[10:42:30] <ratrace> in fact, it doesn't do LUKS2 explicitly but that's default these days for cryptsetup
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• 1153[10:43:02] <wskyx> eh i'm out of context here
• 1154[10:43:10] <ratrace> yup ;)
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• 1161[10:51:02] <revolutionary> jelly if you read 2.2.1 downgrading LUKS2 to LUKS1 section they are explaining to use initramfs-shell for this job.
• 1162[10:51:13] <revolutionary> how can i enter initramfs-shell
• 1163[10:51:19] <revolutionary> i guess this is the solution
• 1164[10:52:07] <revolutionary> and if you notice they did all the steps from initramfs-shell
• 1165[10:52:21] <revolutionary> on left (initramfs) writing
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• 1197[11:08:50] <jelly> !debug initramfs
• 1198[11:08:50] <dpkg> i guess initramfsdebug is replaced-url
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• 1200[11:08:58] <jelly> revolutionary: it's easier to do those from a separate live cd however
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• 1204[11:13:10] <revolutionary> but when i tried to reboot live cd and after i did that job i am dropping to grub-rescue. is this normal?
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• 1206[11:14:12] <ratrace> obviously not
• 1207[11:14:37] <revolutionary> how can i fix this?
• 1208[11:14:56] <ratrace> depends on what you did exactly that broke grub
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• 1212[11:15:50] <revolutionary> i didn't do something. just i rebooted in that step for doing convert process and i encountered grub rescue. i guess i didn't complete all the things like grub config.
• 1213[11:16:03] <revolutionary> how can i enter initramfs-shell. i want to try with that
• 1214[11:16:17] <revolutionary> or should i go on live?
• 1215[11:16:44] <ratrace> you should use the liveCD
• 1216[11:16:53] <krasnij> revolutionary: you can chroot using livecd
• 1217[11:17:03] <krasnij> and do what you need then
• 1218[11:17:08] <ratrace> also which step is "that step"? since you've been asking whether to go with 2.1 or 2.2
• 1219[11:17:17] <revolutionary> krasnij what do you mean by chroot. i couldn't get.
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• 1221[11:17:29] <revolutionary> 2.2.1 downgrading luks2 to luks1
• 1222[11:17:33] <krasnij> revolutionary: i will get you a nice guide, one sec
• 1223[11:17:46] <ratrace> krasnij: no you will just confuse them even more, if that's possible at all
• 1224[11:17:53] <revolutionary> if you read those lines they are explaining to use this job on initramfs-shell
• 1225[11:17:54] <krasnij> hahaha
• 1226[11:17:57] <ratrace> revolutionary: so you opted to keep /boot as part of rootfs?
• 1227[11:17:59] <krasnij> replaced-url
• 1228[11:18:07] <krasnij> that's useful knowledge
• 1229[11:18:19] <revolutionary> thanks very mucj krasnij
• 1230[11:18:23] <revolutionary> much*
• 1231[11:18:32] <krasnij> it should get you going
• 1232[11:19:03] <ratrace> that guide is gentoo-specific, wants to unpack the portage tree
• 1233[11:19:43] <revolutionary> ratrace if you read the beginning of 2.2.1 you will understand why i want initramfs-shell
• 1234[11:20:39] * jelly will not understand
• 1235[11:20:55] <ratrace> revolutionary: no you don't need initramfs-shell, you can run cryptsetup convert from a live c
• 1236[11:20:58] <ratrace> *cd
• 1237[11:21:15] <revolutionary> ahh ok got it now
• 1238[11:21:28] <ratrace> revolutionary: so if you did NOT do the 2.2.1 step YET.... how did you break grub?
• 1239[11:21:34] <revolutionary> but i will use separate /boot partition for now until i understand :)
• 1240[11:21:41] <revolutionary> i did
• 1241[11:21:45] <ratrace> yes, how
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• 1243[11:22:13] <revolutionary> i did until downgrading luks2 to luks1 step
• 1244[11:22:19] <jelly> did they break grub AGAIN or are they telling about the previous, irrelevant try
• 1245[11:22:22] <revolutionary> then i rebooted and grub-rescue
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• 1247[11:24:15] <ratrace> revolutionary: which steps are those? did you do 2.1? because 2.1 contradicts 2.2 and 2.2 does not break grub until 2.2.2
• 1248[11:24:32] <ratrace> so if you did 2.1 and you should've, you've broken your system, so yeah livecd is what you need
• 1249[11:24:40] <ratrace> *should'nt've
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• 1251[11:25:02] <revolutionary> yes i did 2.1
• 1252[11:25:17] <revolutionary> until 2.2.2 i did except convert luks2 to luks1
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• 1255[11:25:39] <ratrace> revolutionary: 2.1 is contradicting 2.2. which one of the 2 you want to do? 2.2? keep /boot part of the rootfs?
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• 1257[11:26:00] <revolutionary> ratrace yes but i am afraid i will drop grub-rescue again
• 1258[11:26:04] <revolutionary> i want to move /boot to the /
• 1259[11:26:08] <ratrace> my question was not a yes/no question
• 1260[11:26:15] <ratrace> ah ok. so you need 2.2.1
• 1261[11:26:20] <josuah`> hello! note that there is a dead link for reaching the source packages on packages.debian.org:
• 1262[11:26:22] <ratrace> and since oyu broke grub with 2.1, you need live cd
• 1263[11:26:23] <josuah`> replaced-url
• 1264[11:26:30] <revolutionary> got it
• 1265[11:26:34] <josuah`> the link at the bottom is dead: replaced-url
• 1266[11:26:40] <josuah`> that is not for a specific package.
• 1267[11:26:56] <josuah`> maybe related to the announce here: replaced-url
• 1268[11:27:34] <ratrace> josuah`: replaced-url
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• 1270[11:28:45] <josuah`> ratrace: thanks for this. Is sources.debian.org new?
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• 1272[11:29:03] <josuah`> maybe some redirection is needed to avoid zillions of dudes like me coming and asking
• 1273[11:30:00] <ratrace> josuah`: I don't remember when that started being using, but you can access it from the tracker: replaced-url
• 1274[11:30:21] <revolutionary> jelly if i want to move /boot partition to the / should i do all (from the beginning to end) steps in that page? Or should i start from 2.2 Moving /boot to the root file system
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• 1276[11:31:30] <ratrace> we told you that already several times
• 1277[11:31:32] <josuah`> oh, we do not get this issue with replaced-url
• 1278[11:31:46] <josuah`> maybe the URLs are not built, but stored in some database
• 1279[11:31:55] <revolutionary> i am bit new on Debian. forgive for this
• 1280[11:31:56] <josuah`> reason why I only get the bug for old packages
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• 1282[11:32:48] <josuah`> in any case, thanks for the tip ratrace!
• 1283[11:32:53] <josuah`> o/
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• 1285[11:33:08] <ratrace> revolutionary: nothing to do with debian. we told you that 2.1 and 2.2 are mutually exclusive. so no, you should NOT do all (from the beginning to end) steps in that page if you want only 2.2 where /boot is part of the rootfs
• 1286[11:33:43] <revolutionary> you mean if i want to move /boot to the /root i should start from 2.2
• 1287[11:33:49] <revolutionary> correct?
• 1288[11:34:04] <ratrace> for, like, a millionth time now, yes.
• 1289[11:34:17] <revolutionary> appreciate for your effort
• 1290[11:34:22] <revolutionary> thanks
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• 1296[11:38:12] <jelly> revolutionary: you should skip 2.1.
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• 1301[11:39:57] <ratrace> revolutionary: also since you will be doing this from the liveCD, you will need to mount your / in a chroot, in order to run step 3 and onward. This is the closest I found to a usable guide you need here, that doesn't do a ton of other, unneeded steps: replaced-url
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• 1304[11:40:51] <ratrace> revolutionary: you need only the "Mount the special filesystems" part, and running the chroot itself
• 1305[11:42:56] <ratrace> both quides assume you'll be running the commands by understanding what they do first, and NOT literally copy them to your shell
• 1306[11:43:16] <revolutionary> ratrace this is little bit hard for me!
• 1307[11:43:25] <revolutionary> by the way it worked!
• 1308[11:43:32] <revolutionary> encrypted /boot partition is working good
• 1309[11:44:10] <ratrace> revolutionary: you mean step 2.1 ?
• 1310[11:44:13] <TwoTall> I waited to hear that... nice
• 1311[11:44:51] <revolutionary> ratrace: no without moving /boot partition is working good
• 1312[11:45:08] <revolutionary> i will try now moving /boot to the / but i am afraid i will stuck at chroot step
• 1313[11:45:37] <revolutionary> it is asking pass twice
• 1314[11:46:09] <ratrace> revolutionary: "working good" ... what is? encrypted separate /boot as done in step 2.1? because before that you did NOT have encrypted /boot . you're giving now contradicting information
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• 1316[11:46:55] <revolutionary> ratrace: if skipped 2.2 moving /boot partition section.
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• 1319[11:47:07] <revolutionary> i have encrypted separate /boot partition now
• 1320[11:47:11] <revolutionary> this is working good.
• 1321[11:47:15] <ratrace> revolutionary: so you did the 2.1 step?
• 1322[11:47:29] <revolutionary> ratrace: correct
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• 1324[11:48:07] <TwoTall> This was worth all my lurking, congrats buddy
• 1325[11:48:18] <ratrace> revolutionary: now you can do step 4 to deal with the extra password prompt. if it's working, do you really need to migrate /boot back into the rootfs?
• 1326[11:48:53] <revolutionary> ratrace: yes this is working actually i don't need to migrate /boot to the /
• 1327[11:49:02] <ratrace> awesome.
• 1328[11:49:06] <revolutionary> i will try extra password avoiding section
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• 1338[11:59:40] <aHoo> how to re-run network setup? i want to change default gw
• 1339[12:01:16] <ratrace> aHoo: using /etc/network/interfaces? Is that a static network setup?
• 1340[12:01:26] <aHoo> it's dynamic atm but i want to change to static
• 1341[12:01:41] <aHoo> the ncruses thing
• 1342[12:01:43] <aHoo> how to run it?
• 1343[12:02:16] <mzs114> aHoo: afaik, there is no stock ncurses tui installed in Debian. its a centos/rhel thing
• 1344[12:02:39] <aHoo> but it's a task at the installer
• 1345[12:02:42] <aHoo> innit?
• 1346[12:02:51] <aHoo> is that for dhcp only?
• 1347[12:02:56] <mzs114> oh so you are installing ?
• 1348[12:03:00] <aHoo> no
• 1349[12:03:03] <aHoo> i only remember it
• 1350[12:03:04] <ratrace> aHoo: replaced-url
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• 1352[12:03:14] <aHoo> hanks.
• 1353[12:03:16] <aHoo> thanks.
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• 1355[12:03:24] <ratrace> that's the basic setup for static networking and you can consult the rest of that document for more info
• 1356[12:03:56] <ratrace> aHoo: that's setting up /etc/network/interfaces btw, if it's not clear
• 1357[12:05:41] <aHoo> yeah i've got it, thanks.
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• 1360[12:08:06] <OhMyGuru> hi
• 1361[12:08:25] <OhMyGuru> it's not the better channel for my question, sorry for that. i'm looking a way ssh tunnel related, to do this: 127.0.0.1:9998 is a ssh tunnel through central-server-acces (10.10.90.x) to a mongodb server which is on 10.10.40.x:27017
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• 1373[12:21:54] <Fox> OhMyGuru: replaced-url
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• 1375[12:22:21] <jomofcw> Hello !
• 1376[12:22:47] <jomofcw> Is there a way to avoid a user to see parents directory of his home directory when connecting using SSH/SFTP, please ?
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• 1378[12:23:46] <ratrace> jomofcw: for SFTP yes, but not for regular ssh unless you build a full chroot with all the required /dev nodes etc...
• 1379[12:24:18] <ratrace> jomofcw: look into ChrootDirectory directive of the sshd_config manpage, take note of the permissions requirement!
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• 1384[12:26:44] <jomofcw> ratrace hello ! Thanks for your answer. OK ... it make meaning to me, I had probably already asked this here in fact xD... and so, how can I enable SFTP but disable SSH access ? To me, it's "linked".
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• 1387[12:27:46] <ratrace> jomofcw: by forcing the internal-sftp command for the user or group. see examples here: replaced-url
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• 1391[12:29:21] <jomofcw> So i create a group sftponly and add the user to it, right ?
• 1392[12:29:32] <jomofcw> [and add config to the config file]
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• 1394[12:30:08] <jomofcw> [I have PAM authentication set to YES]
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• 1397[12:31:47] <ratrace> jomofcw: you can do that or you can Match User just for that user. or Match Group for another group. The ChrootDirectory and ForceCommand are the basic two options you need for the SFTP chroot -- and of course the home dir permissions as explained in the sshd_config manpage
• 1398[12:33:10] <jomofcw> ratrace OK I think I get it. I give it a try, thanks.
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• 1407[12:42:15] <jomofcw> OK... so I may be wrong... i add the lines Match Group sftponly and those aboves, add my user to a group sftponly I've just created, restart services... and it doesn't change anything :/ I still have access through SSH and access trough SFTP enable me to see the parents directory of the users's home directory :s.
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• 1410[12:43:23] <jomofcw> here is my sshd_config : replaced-url
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• 1414[12:45:19] <ratrace> jomofcw: did you change the home dir ownership and permission as instructed?
• 1415[12:45:34] <ratrace> also is there a complaint about it in the logs? /var/log/auth.log or journal
• 1416[12:46:45] <OhMyGuru> Fox, ty
• 1417[12:46:49] <OhMyGuru> it's ok :)
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• 1424[12:52:11] <jomofcw> OK, SSH connection is blocked (i've tried it on a SU previously... bad idea :x)
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• 1426[12:53:12] <jomofcw> So it seems to be OK on this part. But I still be able to see the parents directory of the home directory. I can't set the ownership to this new user, because I need it to be owned by another. But I chown it to the group the user is in.
• 1427[12:53:17] <jomofcw> IS it enough ?
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• 1432[12:57:16] <ratrace> jomofcw: user's home dir needs to be owned by root for sftp chroot to work
• 1433[12:57:39] <ratrace> (and not writeable by anyone else)
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• 1435[12:58:52] <jomofcw> hm ratrace not sure to understand... so I chown it to root (not to myuser) ?
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• 1437[12:59:43] <ratrace> jomofcw: it is explained in the second sentence for ChrootDirectory of the sshd_config manpage. the home dir needs to be owned by root (group can be regular user's group) and must NOT be writeable by anyone else but root.
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• 1439[13:00:09] <ratrace> if you want an example..... chown root:someuser /home/someuser ; chmod go-w /home/someuser
• 1440[13:00:09] <jomofcw> OK I may read it again :s.
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• 1443[13:00:58] <jomofcw> What does the chmod do here, please ?
• 1444[13:00:59] <ratrace> jomofcw: that also means your someuser can NOT create files or dirs in the root directory
• 1445[13:01:03] <ratrace> jomofcw: man chmod
• 1446[13:01:07] <jomofcw> OK
• 1447[13:01:27] <ratrace> jomofcw: removes w(rite) permission from g(roup) and o(thers)
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• 1452[13:02:17] <ratrace> by default the home dir probably did NOT have write permission for go, but the example here was to make sure what state needs to be achieved, if it's not already
• 1453[13:03:02] <murii> Is debian 10 stable?
• 1454[13:03:10] <murii> for how long can I still use debian 9?
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• 1456[13:03:22] <murii> I like version 9 and I'd like to stay with it
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• 1458[13:03:29] <annadane> you get full support for a year after release of the new debian stable
• 1459[13:03:40] <annadane> then LTS kicks in for more server focused packages
• 1460[13:03:50] <tarzeau> murii: as stable as linux can be
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• 1462[13:04:22] <vampirefrog> you can put your horses in it, it's that stable
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• 1466[13:04:34] <murii> tarzeau: idk how I should interpret that. Both Arch and Debian are linux and I find Debian a lot more stable
• 1467[13:04:40] <murii> annadane: thanks
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• 1478[13:07:20] <ratrace> vampirefrog: +1
• 1479[13:07:24] <xinming> !podman
• 1480[13:07:51] <xinming> Anyone here knows how to install podman?
• 1481[13:08:03] <ratrace> !info podman
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• 1483[13:08:20] <ratrace> nah, methinks that's RedHat only tech
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• 1487[13:09:00] <xinming> ratrace: Does that mean podman might not be in debian ever?
• 1488[13:09:00] <ratrace> first hit on google for "install podman on debian" returns this tho replaced-url
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• 1490[13:09:37] <ratrace> xinming: no idea, but so far there doesn't seem to be a regular debian package of it
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• 1499[13:14:25] <annadane> i can somewhat understand avoiding debian x.0
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• 1501[13:14:32] <annadane> because *some* kinks can get ironed out
• 1502[13:14:39] <xinming> replaced-url
• 1503[13:14:42] <annadane> first point release is generally safe though
• 1504[13:14:43] <xinming> I jsut got this.
• 1505[13:15:03] <ratrace> it's a WIP docu that doesn't say much
• 1506[13:15:24] <xinming> Yea, at least we know, It'll be in debian
• 1507[13:15:38] <ratrace> we don't :)
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• 1509[13:16:06] <ratrace> it's a wiki page. anyone can write a wiki page. maybe it'll end up being a guide on how to install podman manually because there's no package. we don't know yet ;)
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• 1513[13:19:19] <annadane> but yeah most people can certainly use the latest stable, and the .0 release within that latest stable... debian is tested so much for a reason
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• 1531[13:35:58] <omnio> hi, I'm trying to have in windowmaker and icewm the same menus I have in XFCE, LXQT etc., I installed menu and menu-xdg, I ran update-menus but the menu still looks strange, apps are missing etc.
• 1532[13:36:05] <omnio> any idea about this?
• 1533[13:37:07] <omnio> so far I understood that I need *only* the XDG standard but I have no clue what to do
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• 1538[13:39:36] <debian> hello
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• 1541[13:40:59] <wxb> Hi. I installed deja-dup on Debian 10.1. and had set backups from a local folder to a flash drive. I wanted to change the destination folder (to be local as well - with the thought of using luckybackup to copy the backups off the computer...) but when I do that I get 'Another duplicity instance is already running with this active directory' I tried to autoremove and reinstall and get the same message. What is going on?
• 1542[13:42:06] <Guest4028> Bus 002 Device 010: ID 0846:4260 NetGear, Inc. WG111v3 54 Mbps Wireless [realtek RTL8187B]
• 1543[13:42:13] <Guest4028> I have this USB device I'd like to use for wireless internet
• 1544[13:42:29] <Guest4028> it seems to recognize the available wireless access points including mine, I put in my password and stuff
• 1545[13:42:46] <Guest4028> but it doesn't connect to it. I use the network manager thing in the top right of xfce4
• 1546[13:43:02] <Guest4028> how do I debug this? I have installed various firmware things
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• 1550[13:43:41] <ratrace> Guest4028: dmesg and journal should have plenty of hints on what went wrong
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• 1592[14:20:11] <wxb> Nevermind for the deja-dup question. God some help in ##linux and turns out that all was needed was a simple reboot!
• 1593[14:21:12] <zodd_> the *actual* need for reboots in Linux is rare. It is not Windows
• 1594[14:21:57] <zodd_> Is there a non-intrusive(!) way to test the performance of disks (nvme/usb) ?
• 1595[14:23:17] <netcrash> Hello , is there anything like kickstart for debian?
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• 1598[14:23:47] <Guest94041> replaced-url
• 1599[14:23:57] <Guest94041> can anyone help me i can see but not connect to wifi
• 1600[14:24:13] <Guest94041> I don't know why it fails to connect or how to fix it
• 1601[14:24:14] <wxb> zodd_, Yeah, I mean I'd rather reboot in a few minutes than spend 2 hours trying to figure out what is going on!
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• 1617[14:40:41] <Guest94041> it's a USB wireless thing, NetGear, Inc. WG111v3 54 Mbps Wireless [realtek RTL8187B]
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• 1622[14:45:41] <annadane> what is the general way to get rid of nvidia? apt purge nvidia* ?
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• 1625[14:47:25] <annadane> or i guess apt remove would be bette
• 1626[14:47:26] <annadane> r
• 1627[14:47:45] <greycat> I doubt there's any meaningful configuration that would make it matter.
• 1628[14:48:30] <annadane> yeah, i agree
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• 1690[15:42:33] <Guest94041> Anybody know how to debug wifi that is recognizing access points but failing to connect?
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• 1692[15:43:02] <wskyx> have you looked into dmesg?
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• 1695[15:43:13] <colo-work> look at both stations' authentication debugging logs
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• 1697[15:43:28] <colo-work> (the remote AP might not have those available, unless it's something running openwrt or the like)
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• 1699[15:44:03] <Guest94041> how do I view the access log on my debian computer?
• 1700[15:44:09] <Guest94041> I checked dmesg but I couldn't understand it well
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• 1702[15:44:10] <Logan2000> Can you connect to open wifi?
• 1703[15:44:22] <Guest94041> i don't think so, there isn't any open wifi here
• 1704[15:44:25] <Guest94041> i just have my router
• 1705[15:44:36] <wskyx> what's the system and the chip model?
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• 1708[15:46:44] <gh00p> rsync-filter question... I know that --include identifies files which should be ignored by --exclude, but can I add another level of excludes inside a set identified by --include? What I've got is `rsync -a --exclude=. --inlclude=importantstuff/ ./ target/` but I further want to exclude my .git directory in importantstuff/. How do I do this?
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• 1710[15:47:28] <greycat> sounds like a good question for #rsync
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• 1721[15:52:24] <u0_a162_> ola
• 1722[15:52:32] <commander123> sup
• 1723[15:52:47] <Guest94041> wskyx: it's a NetGear, Inc. WG111v3 54 Mbps Wireless [realtek RTL8187B]
• 1724[15:53:01] <wskyx> sounds sketchy and old
• 1725[15:53:08] <Guest94041> yeah
• 1726[15:53:10] <wskyx> use something that works
• 1727[15:53:16] <Guest94041> unhelpful
• 1728[15:53:38] <colo-work> Guest94041, chances are the AP just doesn't support 802.11b rates any more
• 1729[15:53:38] <wskyx> udde, no one is gonna patch the pooey firmware and drivers you got for this
• 1730[15:53:45] <wskyx> dude*
• 1731[15:53:46] <Guest94041> ok thanks
• 1732[15:53:50] <Guest94041> it works on my windows system
• 1733[15:53:55] <Guest94041> i just cant make it work on linux
• 1734[15:53:56] <colo-work> (that's a common optimization for 802.11n-capable networks)
• 1735[15:53:58] <colo-work> hm ok
• 1736[15:54:11] <wskyx> dcompletly different development model and audience taret
• 1737[15:54:13] <colo-work> then maybe the driver is broken, and noone really cares about the device any more
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• 1739[15:54:21] <Guest94041> makes sense
• 1740[15:54:46] <wskyx> that's hal times, long time ago
• 1741[15:54:53] <colo-work> I think I had the very first revision of the WG111 (with zydas wifigoodness) back in 2004 :)
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• 1743[15:55:03] <colo-work> wifi goodness*
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• 1745[15:55:17] <wskyx> 2004 is when things didn't work just like that
• 1746[15:55:31] <colo-work> except for zydas!
• 1747[15:56:42] <commander123> anyone still one ppc debian?
• 1748[15:56:51] <commander123> *on
• 1749[15:57:05] <Logan2000> Try stopping and restarting the networkmanager service
• 1750[15:57:40] <greycat> !ppc
• 1751[15:57:40] <dpkg> PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (replaced-url
• 1752[15:58:21] <commander123> noice i might have killed my g5 tho :(
• 1753[15:58:29] <commander123> ground loop i suspect
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• 1755[15:58:55] <colo-work> it's slower than a RPi4 anyway
• 1756[15:59:15] <commander123> ah yes
• 1757[15:59:18] <colo-work> (at least that's the impression I got before I finally trashed my PowerMac G5 a few years ago)
• 1758[15:59:29] <commander123> rpi4 is practically my desktop these days
• 1759[16:00:02] <commander123> aarch64 still not very well developed tho
• 1760[16:00:13] <commander123> (( in regards to rpi4 software ))
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• 1765[16:01:26] <gh00p> greycat: I thought it would be a good candidate for #rsync as well, but it seems that nobody's paying attention to that channel.
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• 1791[16:17:06] <ratrace> gh00p: --exclude=/importantstuff/.git/
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• 1801[16:20:42] <deadrom> hi
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• 1813[16:22:57] <deadrom> deb9 VM in Virtualbox, runs for a couple hours, days sometimes, then I can't ssh anymore (connection reset by peer) and only reset the VM. I suspected a memleak , so I wrote a loop that would dump top/ordered by mem into seperate txt files every 5 seconds. eventually the txt files would drop from 2k size to plain 0, but they do get created. disk space is plenty.
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• 1816[16:23:27] <deadrom> no idea how to catch what's going on. dmesg/syslog register nothing out of the ordinary.
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• 1819[16:23:53] <deadrom> host logs neither
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• 1823[16:24:43] <ratrace> deadrom: is a headless VM?
• 1824[16:24:57] <deadrom> actually, 0-size files only get written for another 20 seconds, then they stop, too.
• 1825[16:25:00] <deadrom> ratrace: yes
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• 1831[16:26:40] <jelly> deadrom: which filesystem type is used within the VM?
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• 1833[16:27:15] <deadrom> ratrace: uh, no, sorry: the VM runs xfce, but VBox is set not to use vrde.
• 1834[16:27:24] <ratrace> deadrom: replaced-url
• 1835[16:27:41] <ratrace> deadrom: oh. so when that happens, you have access to the VM to run diagnostic?
• 1836[16:27:54] <deadrom> jelly: ext4
• 1837[16:28:13] <jelly> so pretty standard
• 1838[16:28:52] <deadrom> yes. mem usage stays below 20% of 4GB all the time, too.
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• 1840[16:29:34] <deadrom> ratrace: "access" in what way? ssh not, I can spawn the VBox gui, but that's it
• 1841[16:29:47] <gh00p> ratrace: I think I see what I need to do... The FILTER RULES section of the man page suggests that as the file list is built, each file is compared against the list of filter rules. The first match is used, and the file is then taken out of consideration.
• 1842[16:30:12] <gh00p> So if I `--exclude=.git --include=/importantstuff --exclude=./` I may get what I want.
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• 1845[16:30:41] <ratrace> gh00p: .git/ that slash is important.
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• 1847[16:31:02] <tgunr> very
• 1848[16:31:05] <ratrace> deadrom: GUI access on the host side
• 1849[16:31:16] <gh00p> ratrace: That will exclude the directory contents, but will it exclude the directory itself, too?
• 1850[16:32:08] <ratrace> deadrom: also I posted wrong link above, I was looking for a site that exaplains how to use VB with serial ports for debugging -- you can then instruct the kernel to output the ringbuffer on the serial port so you can monitor it on the host side and see what happens when it hogs up
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• 1854[16:32:49] <ratrace> gh00p: "if the pattern ends with a / then it will only match a directory, not a regular file, symlink, or device."
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• 1856[16:33:23] <ratrace> and since you don't have leading slash, the pattern can be anywhere in the path, thus the anchor
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• 1860[16:33:51] <gh00p> Ah, makes sense. Thanks.
• 1861[16:34:05] <deadrom> ratrace: yes, host gui I have. but you mean dump the VM's COM port to file and tell the VM kernel to log to COM? how do I make the kernel do that?
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• 1868[16:35:31] <ratrace> deadrom: for example: replaced-url
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• 1896[16:49:06] <deadrom> d'oh! I just noticed the main application running on the machine gets spawned twice on reboot due to config error... I guess they fought over ports forever, so well see, maybe it's no VM issue at all
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• 1900[16:50:25] <coyotesays> hey, i'm here with a friend and he has a mondo problem. he needs to make a new boot stick from within the only working OS he has: a live OS of parrot. we can't get anything to install even though we're in persistent mode. please hayyyylp!
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• 1903[16:52:12] <ratrace> !parrot os
• 1904[16:52:12] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
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• 1906[16:52:24] <vlt> coyotesays: You can download a Debian install ISO and write that to a USB drive.
• 1907[16:52:29] <deadrom> I followed dpkg's tl;dr on stretch-> buster and updated the sources, apt update ok, but apt-upgrade says "unmet dependencies: gnustep-base-runtime : Depends: gnustep-base-common (= 1.26.0-4) but 1.24.9-3.1 is to be installed / libgnustep-base1.26 : Depends: gnustep-base-common (= 1.26.0-4) but 1.24.9-3.1 is to be installed"
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• 1910[16:53:06] <greycat> This is the second time I've seen someone report an issue with gnustep during a buster upgrade, unless that was you last time.
• 1911[16:53:07] <coyotesays> vlt thanks for replying. our problem is putting the ISO to the USB drive
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• 1913[16:53:19] <deadrom> greycat: no, first attempt
• 1914[16:53:42] <ratrace> yeah, someone asked about that last week
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• 1916[16:53:52] <greycat> Well, I told the other person to try "apt install gnustep-base-common" or "apt full-upgrade" and see what happens. Didn't hear anything after that.
• 1917[16:53:56] <coyotesays> vlt: rufus needs wine32
• 1918[16:54:11] <coyotesays> can't install it
• 1919[16:55:03] <coyotesays> tried to install makebootfat but couldn't install that either. synaptic and apt in command line both 'fail to fetch'
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• 1924[16:56:00] <vlt> coyotesays: Just write the ISO to USB using a tool like dd, ddrescue, pv, cat, ...
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• 1926[16:56:09] <deadrom> greycat: full-upgrade goes to work. we'll see.
• 1927[16:56:31] <coyotesays> oh right. thx vlt will look for instructions and try dd
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• 1929[16:56:36] <ratrace> cp even.... cp the.iso /dev/usbdevice
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• 1931[16:56:57] <deadrom> coyotesays: double, better triple check the device you let dd or ddrescue write to
• 1932[16:57:19] <aeon90> I have a Thinkpad W541, whenever I close the lid, it never turns back on, this only happens _after_ logging in, in the login manager (when X is already running) there is no such issue with the lid, what's wrong? I've tried to disable all power management in the window manager (XFCE)
• 1933[16:57:24] <deadrom> ratrace: cp does that? whoa
• 1934[16:57:33] <ratrace> deadrom: for quite some time now
• 1935[16:57:39] <deadrom> I'm old
• 1936[16:58:01] <deadrom> I know linux things from th 90s. some things escaped me the last couple years.
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• 1938[16:59:02] <themill> deadrom: that is not a new thing
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• 1940[16:59:07] <deadrom> aeon90: I think this might have to do with xfce and how it handles displays. can you install... some other, say.. openbox or even kde and see how that works?
• 1941[16:59:27] <aeon90> deadrom, it also happens with Ubuntu live CD
• 1942[16:59:38] <aeon90> or actually, that might have been XFCE too
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• 1944[16:59:44] <aeon90> I'll try some other window manager then
• 1945[16:59:47] <aeon90> thanks
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• 1947[17:00:36] <deadrom> aeon90: check on that. I don't knwo how reliable live CDs are for power management stuff. I had a T530 for quite a while which worked *marvellous* with xfce and suspending, which I cannot say about that Dell M4800 here...
• 1948[17:00:36] <omnio> hello. I'm trying to have in windowmaker and icewm the same menus I have in XFCE, LXQT etc. = to show the apps from /usr/share/applications (I am told this is called the XDG menu/standard). I installed menu and menu-xdg, I ran update-menus but the menus still look strange, apps are missing etc. Right now I have in the menu some strange entries like xclock, xeyes, ...
• 1949[17:01:21] <omnio> any idea about this?
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• 1951[17:02:16] <ratrace> aeon90: check if any of the /etc/systemd/logind.conf options could help
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• 1955[17:03:50] <aeon90> ratrace, everything in that file is commented out
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• 1958[17:04:15] <aeon90> is XFCE's power management a wrapper for systemd?
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• 1967[17:06:48] <ratrace> aeon90: so what if it is commented out, look them up in the logind.conf manpage and see if any can help
• 1968[17:07:05] <ratrace> it wouldn't be the first time that logind.conf options fixed a problem with laptop lids
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• 1972[17:08:55] <aeon90> switching to GNOME seems to have resolved the issue
• 1973[17:09:13] <aeon90> I think power management was just as bad 10 years ago as it is now
• 1974[17:09:24] <aeon90> it never seems to get any better
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• 1977[17:11:07] <tsujp> When installing a lets encrypt cert to `/usr/local/share/ca-certificates/` do you copy `fullchain.cer`?
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• 1980[17:12:32] <aeon90> nah, still doesn't work
• 1981[17:13:13] <ratrace> tsujp: which tool you're using? typically the tool should produce a .pem (with intermediaries) and a .key file. also that location is a bit weird to put local certs in
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• 1983[17:13:25] <tsujp> I'm using `acme.sh` to get my certs ratrace
• 1984[17:13:26] <aeon90> I will play with those settings, thanks ratrace
• 1985[17:14:10] <ratrace> tsujp: does it not produce a single PEM file with all the intermediaries?
• 1986[17:14:29] <tsujp> It procues a `.cer` and `.key` and a fullchain.pem
• 1987[17:14:50] <tsujp> `.cer` is `-----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----`
• 1988[17:14:54] <tsujp> `.key` is an RSA private key
• 1989[17:15:00] <tsujp> `fullchain` is two `-----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----`
• 1990[17:15:18] <tsujp> `fullchain.cer`*
• 1991[17:15:31] <ratrace> tsujp: I'm seeing the docs now. I think the --fullchain-file is THE certificate you should use for services
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• 1997[17:17:35] <jack624> i did read that tor user enter into a extremists database of the nsa. this happens automatically because of nsa's spying program xkeyscore. my question is if this affects also debian tor user??
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• 2001[17:18:09] <greycat> How could we possibly know?
• 2002[17:18:14] <ratrace> !8ball
• 2003[17:18:15] <dpkg> Insufficient entropy to continue.
• 2004[17:18:18] <ratrace> darn...
• 2005[17:18:49] <jack624> greycat i did hope that maybe someone here works in the nsa
• 2006[17:18:56] <ballot> Hello. I'm trying to build a debian package for several distribution and I want to use different control/changelog files. Several commands, like dpkg-source, support -c<control file> and -l<changelog file>, but I cannot find a way to cascade those options from debuild or dpkg-buildpackage. Did anyone face a similar situation and how did you solved it ?
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• 2011[17:21:51] <jack624> or maybe someone have the soure code of xkeyscore and can read it and answer for me the question
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• 2013[17:22:02] <jack624> then i would be very thankful thank you
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• 2015[17:23:47] <ratrace> yeah the NSA employees here can't wait to spill the beans on their spying programmes!
• 2016[17:24:02] <section1> lol
• 2017[17:24:14] <jack624> i did hope that maybe someone of them is like edward norton
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• 2019[17:24:20] <ratrace> they're not responding because they're fighting each other to see who will be the lucky one to reveal the programme secrets to you!
• 2020[17:24:37] <section1> more lols
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• 2025[17:27:34] <jhutchins_wk> jack624: You can download the source code yourself.
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• 2027[17:28:22] <jack624> jhutchins_wk but i can not read it so it would not be helpful
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• 2031[17:28:40] <jack624> can you read it for me jhutchins
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• 2035[17:29:45] <jack624> maybe they have change their code since snowdens did make it public
• 2036[17:29:58] <jack624> the nsa is too smart for us normal people
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• 2060[17:43:07] <jhutchins_wk> jack624: I really don't think this is a #debian issue.
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• 2063[17:43:31] <jack624> why do you say this
• 2064[17:44:00] <jack624> i have debian linux system version name buster from toy story
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• 2067[17:44:53] <greycat> jack624: Nobody here knows what the NSA is doing. It's off topic. We can't help you. Go seek psychiatric help.
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• 2069[17:45:25] <jack624> greycat now please dont get abusive
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• 2071[17:45:51] <greycat> If you want to continue ranting about the NSA, take it to #debian-offtopic or some other place where that kind of discussion is tolerated.
• 2072[17:45:55] <jack624> i just do not want to enter into a extremists database
• 2073[17:46:04] <ratrace> you already are there.
• 2074[17:46:17] <jack624> but it is a mistake
• 2075[17:46:41] <jack624> i did send a mail to the nsa already but they didnt answer or say that they deleted me from the database now
• 2076[17:46:41] <greycat> and jhutchins_wk, if they're being QUIET, don't POKE at them
• 2077[17:47:11] <jack624> maybe they think they didnt make a mistake
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• 2123[18:16:31] <GPenguin> could somebody explain to me why there are many processes related to /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon?
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• 2137[18:24:18] <ratrace> GPenguin: only gnome devs know what they were thinking
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• 2139[18:24:24] <revolutionary> hi all. is there any way to backup /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ stuff?
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• 2141[18:24:44] <ratrace> revolutionary: backup? are you talking about making those settings permanent?
• 2142[18:24:47] <revolutionary> i had made some changes on there and i will format my hdd. i don't want to lose those
• 2143[18:24:54] <revolutionary> ratrace yup
• 2144[18:24:58] <ratrace> via sysctl.conf
• 2145[18:25:10] <ratrace> /proc rebuilds on reboot
• 2146[18:25:11] <revolutionary> may i ask where is it?
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• 2150[18:25:19] <GPenguin> in /etc
• 2151[18:25:22] <ratrace> /etc/sysctl.conf and sysctl.d/
• 2152[18:25:27] <revolutionary> let me check
• 2153[18:25:45] <revolutionary> ratrace by the way encrypted /boot partition is done!
• 2154[18:25:51] <ratrace> cool
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• 2156[18:26:01] <revolutionary> i am migrating my stuff to Debian now :)
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• 2160[18:27:11] <CQ> hello, how smart is it to resize a live-running systems root partition with fdisk (keeping the same start sector, extending the end sector), and then doing partprobe and resizefs ? ... and yes, I have a backup
• 2161[18:27:19] <revolutionary> thanks GPenguin and ratrace i found sysctl stuff! Appreciate
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• 2163[18:27:44] <GPenguin> sysctl -p saves the reboot
• 2164[18:27:56] <greycat> CQ: depends on the file system type. If the file system is capable of increasing size while mounted, then it's fine. As long as you're increasing, not decreasing.
• 2165[18:28:05] <CQ> greycat, ext4
• 2166[18:28:28] <revolutionary> GPenguin when i copied this files to the Debian what should i do for applying those?
• 2167[18:28:31] <CQ> so it should be OK
• 2168[18:28:37] <ratrace> revolutionary: GPenguin: that's not what -p does
• 2169[18:28:55] <ratrace> revolutionary: reboot. or use sysctl -p to reload the file
• 2170[18:28:56] * GPenguin checks
• 2171[18:29:07] <GPenguin> uh
• 2172[18:29:14] <revolutionary> I guess reboot is enough
• 2173[18:29:18] <revolutionary> thanks
• 2174[18:29:23] <GPenguin> i should have used "
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• 2177[18:30:34] <revolutionary> i am leaving now. i hope my installation will not fail. see you again on my new Debian :)
• 2178[18:30:39] <revolutionary> Thanks for everything
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• 2182[18:31:34] <revolutionary> i want to ask something about LUKS.
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• 2184[18:31:44] <revolutionary> is there any way to change current LUKS options?
• 2185[18:32:06] <revolutionary> for example i used default options and i want to change it's --iter-time
• 2186[18:32:10] <revolutionary> is that possible?
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• 2192[18:34:54] <ratrace> revolutionary: you can add a new key with its own --iter-time
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• 2195[18:35:08] <ratrace> (and then remove the old key if you so wish)
• 2196[18:35:47] <revolutionary> you mean remove and re-do again with my options, correct?
• 2197[18:36:29] <ratrace> revolutionary: -i is option for the key, so you can luksAddKey with different -i . But that will make your LUKS container have two keys, so if you want, you can luksRemoveKey the old one
• 2198[18:37:24] <ratrace> there is also luksConvertKey where you can supposedly change the params for existing slot, but I haven't toyed with that one
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• 2200[18:38:18] <revolutionary> ratrace i guess -i option is enough for now
• 2201[18:38:47] <ratrace> default should be quite sufficient
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• 2206[18:40:01] <revolutionary> i agree
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• 2211[18:42:04] <CQ> is there a CLI fdisk variant that allows just changing the partition ending?
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• 2216[18:43:58] <CQ> parted with resizeart looks like a candidate...
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• 2237[18:55:38] <jelly> CQ: sfdisk is not exactly CLI, but if you're good with numbers, you can dump the config, change the ending number, and rewrite the partition table
• 2238[18:56:25] <jelly> sfdisk -d /dev/sdX > sdX.sfdisk; vim sdX.sfdisk; sfdisk /dev/sdX < sdX.sfdisk
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• 2330[19:51:09] <nyov> Does anyone know commandline tools to handle mail delivery to MH-dirs, which are used by Sylpheed/Claws-Mail (maildir-like)?
• 2331[19:51:32] <greycat> holy shit, mh directories still exist?!
• 2332[19:51:46] * ratrace tries to google those
• 2333[19:52:37] <btabitha> I'm importing keys to verify my installation image. I passed the command $gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv-keys 6294BE9B. The first line of output was: "gpg: key DA87E80D6294BE9B: 5 signatures not checked due to missing keys"
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• 2338[19:53:21] <btabitha> what is the number key DA87E80D6294BE9B? It is not the fingerprint, because I checked the fingerprint with --fingerprint option
• 2339[19:53:40] <greycat> your 6294BE9B is part of it, so it apparently matched
• 2340[19:53:42] <jelly> mutt can open them, not sure which MDA might deliver the functionality you need
• 2341[19:54:33] <btabitha> ok greycat, I just it's just a longer name for the key i.d. So everything so far so good?
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• 2359[20:02:30] <nifker> What can I do about the issue not being able to run FF 68 nativly on wayland?
• 2360[20:02:42] <nifker> As Dbus doesnt support dash in identifiers
• 2361[20:02:50] <nifker> (firefox-esr)
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• 2365[20:02:59] <sponix> guess you can quit using Wayland ?
• 2366[20:03:24] <Cyb0ti> Or update FF?
• 2367[20:03:28] <nyov> quit using FF :D
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• 2369[20:04:54] <jelly> nifker: sounds like a silly bug in dbus
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• 2376[20:06:16] <nifker> thats the error message "dbus[24719]: arguments to dbus_message_new_method_call() were incorrect, assertion "_dbus_check_is_valid_path (path)" failed in file ../../../dbus/dbus-message.c line 1366."
• 2377[20:07:23] <jelly> nifker: check the bts for firefox-esr, and file a new bug report if there isn't one
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• 2379[20:08:35] <jelly> nifker: if it's a regression from 60esr it probably should get fixed
• 2380[20:09:11] <jelly> nifker: which DE are you using with wayland, gnome?
• 2381[20:09:24] <nifker> replaced-url
• 2382[20:09:26] <nifker> sway
• 2383[20:09:35] <jelly> and which debian release?
• 2384[20:09:45] <nifker> buster
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• 2388[20:11:16] <jelly> hmm. and what's the way to attempt running firefox-esr in wayland mode, just run it?
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• 2390[20:11:45] <jelly> or is there an env.var. to set or whatnot
• 2391[20:11:49] <nifker> env MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 firefox
• 2392[20:11:49] <nifker> yes
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• 2395[20:12:33] <jelly> yeah, so you found the upstream bug, you can mention that url when filing it for firefox-esr in debian
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• 2406[20:16:03] <jelly> nifker: can you work around it by setting a dash-less MOZ_APP_REMOTINGNAME ?
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• 2444[20:37:18] <dob1> I typed chmod + somefilename
• 2445[20:37:21] <dob1> what I did?
• 2446[20:37:43] <dob1> no errors, so something happend...
• 2447[20:38:40] <Habbie> i think that does nothing
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• 2456[20:40:40] <dob1> I don't know..
• 2457[20:41:18] <Habbie> i'm pretty sure it does nothing
• 2458[20:41:25] <Habbie> it's like adding zero to a number
• 2459[20:41:28] <Habbie> it does not change the number
• 2460[20:41:36] <dob1> ok then
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• 2462[20:42:12] <greycat> it appears to do nothing in the 3 cases I tested
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• 2464[20:42:44] <dob1> ok thanks
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• 2518[21:30:48] <berber> hey guys! i have an installation image (x86-64 Debian 10), and one one of my machines, I can boot the stick, but on the relevant machine on which I want to install debian, I can't boot the stick. What could be wrong?
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• 2526[21:33:25] <berber> eh whatever, it's fine, i resetted all bios settings and now it works
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• 2544[21:47:25] <c63> Hej, could someone tell me how to turn this package replaced-url
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• 2546[21:48:07] <greycat> !dpkg-buildpackage
• 2547[21:48:07] <dpkg> [dpkg-buildpackage] a program in the dpkg-dev package that builds .debs from source. "aptitude install fakeroot devscripts dpkg-dev build-essential" and run 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot' in the source directory. Ask me about <package recompile> <debian/rules> <source>.
• 2548[21:48:21] <greycat> *if* the debian/ subdirectory is correct, then that might work
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• 2550[21:48:38] <greycat> you may need to install build-dependencies as well
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• 2553[21:49:22] <c63> greycat: alright, I give it a try, thank you!
• 2554[21:49:26] <greycat> (I mean, some set of package-specific build dependencies, which you cannot know in advance)
• 2555[21:49:38] <c63> btw, I assumed apt is now preferred over aptitude?
• 2556[21:49:56] <greycat> they're different. use whichever one is appropriate for what you're doing, or whichever one you prefer.
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• 2576[22:04:35] <revolutionary> hi all. i installed Debian Buster and also gnome. desktop icons are missing and right click doesn't work
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• 2578[22:04:52] <revolutionary> is there any solution?
• 2579[22:05:02] <boktan> hello people i need your help replaced-url
• 2580[22:05:23] <greycat> use lsof -i :53 or ss or netstat, to find out what's using it
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• 2583[22:06:17] <boktan> greycat replaced-url
• 2584[22:06:59] <towo`> why you post a picture for a simple text output?
• 2585[22:07:21] <boktan> why you asking this? towo
• 2586[22:07:37] <greycat> because most people will not open an image of text
• 2587[22:07:45] <boktan> okay...
• 2588[22:07:45] <revolutionary> +1
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• 2590[22:08:07] <towo`> revolutionary, gnome does not support desktop icons
• 2591[22:08:13] <boktan> replaced-url
• 2592[22:08:18] <revolutionary> towo what should i do
• 2593[22:08:30] <towo`> revolutionary, install gnome-tweak-tool
• 2594[22:08:36] <greycat> What he pasted is
• 2595[22:08:37] <greycat> systemd-r 700 systemd-resolve 12u IPv4 17292 0t0 UDP localhost:domain
• 2596[22:08:38] <towo`> and then use it
• 2597[22:08:54] <greycat> So, systemd-resolved is running. Something or someone turned it on. If you don't want to use it, stop it and disable it.
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• 2599[22:09:06] <revolutionary> let me try
• 2600[22:09:18] <boktan> greycat im new on debian how to stop it?
• 2601[22:09:37] <greycat> "systemctl stop systemd-resolved" and "systemctl disable systemd-resolved"
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• 2603[22:09:51] <greycat> The better question, though, is *who* turned it on, if not you?
• 2604[22:09:55] <greycat> It's not on by default.
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• 2606[22:10:14] <greycat> Was this system installed by a hosting provider or something like that?
• 2607[22:10:17] <boktan> i dont know on default it was on in digitaloceans
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• 2609[22:10:32] <greycat> Probably something that D.O. changes, then.
• 2610[22:11:11] <revolutionary> towo` i installed that but when i try to open that i am getting gnome-tweak-tool not found
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• 2613[22:13:48] <boktan> how to change the port of this proccess? greycat (sorry for my bad english)
• 2614[22:14:04] <greycat> You don't. It's a DNS resolver. DNS resolvers *always* listen on port 53.
• 2615[22:14:19] <greycat> You can only run one DNS resolver or DNS server per interface.
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• 2617[22:14:24] <towo`> revolutionary, how you try to start it?
• 2618[22:14:30] <boktan> i see thank you greycat
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• 2620[22:15:00] <revolutionary> towo` i found now. i run gnome-tweaks but there is no Desktop section :S
• 2621[22:15:13] <towo`> what?
• 2622[22:15:20] <towo`> there is a desktop entry
• 2623[22:15:29] <revolutionary> i found a page on the internet and in that picture Desktop entry does exist
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• 2625[22:15:33] <towo`> it's named opimize or similar
• 2626[22:15:45] <revolutionary> there is no Desktop entry :S
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• 2630[22:16:47] <btabitha> To check debian-10.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso I passed this command "sha515sum -c SHA512SUMS 2>&1 | grep OK" and received output debian-10.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso: OK. So everything looks good about the verification process, but I'm curious about how does the computer even know to interact with the debian.iso file based on the command? I didn't reference the iso file at all in the command
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• 2632[22:18:01] <greycat> the SHA512SUMS file contains the name of the .iso file
• 2633[22:18:43] <btabitha> thank you greycat
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• 2637[22:20:04] <KOLANICH> hi everyone.
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• 2651[22:25:20] <revolutionary> i can't see Desktop entry in gnome-tweaks. Is this normal?
• 2652[22:25:25] <revolutionary> hi KOLANICH
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• 2657[22:27:15] <towo`> revolutionary, what package your have installed?
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• 2662[22:29:12] <revolutionary> towo` i installed gnome-tweak-tool and i noticed Tweaks already installed
• 2663[22:29:23] <revolutionary> which package should i install?
• 2664[22:29:30] <towo`> is right
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• 2667[22:29:43] <revolutionary> but Desktop entry doesn't exist
• 2668[22:29:54] <revolutionary> should i uninstall and install again?
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• 2671[22:30:44] <towo`> revolutionary, gnome-tweaks: /usr/share/applications/org.gnome.tweaks.desktop
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• 2681[22:33:46] <revolutionary> towo` how can i run from that directory?
• 2682[22:34:13] <towo`> you haven't
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• 2684[22:34:19] <towo`> restart your gnome
• 2685[22:34:26] <revolutionary> how
• 2686[22:34:28] <revolutionary> reboot?
• 2687[22:34:32] <_DeLa_> Not 100% Debian specific, please excuse me: Has anyone tried using replaced-url
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• 2690[22:35:03] <revolutionary> how can i restart gnome?
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• 2696[22:38:04] <towo`> revolutionary, systemctl restart gdm3
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• 2699[22:38:23] <somiaj> _DeLa_: I once used grml freeDos image to boot up into dos to run an .exe to flash a bios. replaced-url
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• 2701[22:38:48] <somiaj> _DeLa_: also may want to check your actual machine, I've been lucky with the dell machines I've been using, they allow me to update the bios from directly within the firmware (no need to use freedos)
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• 2703[22:38:54] <towo`> somiaj, would not help
• 2704[22:38:56] <revolutionary> towo` i learned from the internet gnome desktop icon support has been removed since 3.28
• 2705[22:39:11] <_DeLa_> somiaj: you mean from within the BIOS menu?
• 2706[22:39:15] <towo`> somiaj, many vendors only provides windows executables
• 2707[22:39:25] <_DeLa_> towo`: correct
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• 2709[22:39:47] <somiaj> towo`: they don't work in FreeDos any more, I thought freedos had a way to run 64bit .exe files.
• 2710[22:39:54] <towo`> that's why i buy only mainboards which have in place update function
• 2711[22:40:14] <towo`> somiaj, windows-executable != dos executable
• 2712[22:40:20] <somiaj> _DeLa_: yea, a lot depends on the actual firmware. I guess I've been lucky, machines I have either can update the bios from within the firmware or run on freedos
• 2713[22:40:25] <towo`> somiaj, thy need gui functions
• 2714[22:40:38] <somiaj> towo`: yea, I guess I'm not use to vendors who only provide that method.
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• 2716[22:41:09] <towo`> revolutionary, i don't get your problem
• 2717[22:41:28] <towo`> gnome-tweak-tool can reenable desktop-icons
• 2718[22:41:37] <_DeLa_> somiaj: I quopte from replaced-url
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• 2720[22:41:52] <_DeLa_> I guess I'll give it a shot
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• 2722[22:42:07] <revolutionary> towo` the problem is gnome-tweak tool doesn't have Desktop entry
• 2723[22:42:08] <revolutionary> that's all
• 2724[22:42:14] <towo`> revolutionary, it has
• 2725[22:42:17] <somiaj> _DeLa_: I usually think advice from archwiki is good.
• 2726[22:42:24] <towo`> revolutionary, i have show it to you
• 2727[22:42:39] <_DeLa_> somiaj: thanks for your feedback :-)
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• 2729[22:43:24] <_DeLa_> although it is the forum and not the wiki ... ;-)
• 2730[22:43:30] <towo`> revolutionary, and if you can't use that simple tool, then use cinnamon, it has desktop icons by default
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• 2732[22:45:05] <somiaj> oh missed that, anyways, if you want some extra verification, maybe ask in ##windows, they might know about such tools
• 2733[22:45:17] <somiaj> _DeLa_: ^^
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• 2776[23:14:43] <rtfmoz> hi guys
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• 2778[23:15:05] <martigan> Hey, how are you?
• 2779[23:15:30] <akko> bed
• 2780[23:16:22] <rtfmoz> yeah good, had an debian issue but I soved it in the end
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• 2782[23:16:56] <rtfmoz> after a journy though interface.d,.. networkd.... and back again
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• 2784[23:17:25] <rtfmoz> damn spelling today. *solved it, *journey
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• 2792[23:25:28] <ryouma> i just looked up the -m option for mkfs.ext4. it says that the reserved space reduces fragmentation. does this mean that the reserved space is actually an abstract quantity whose physical blocks can be anywhere? e.g. it will use a contiguous block while reserving a non-contiguous one to reduce fragmentation. sounds like i should leave it at the default for even huge /home or /big?
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• 2819[23:43:37] <bolt> ryouma: it doesn't reduce fragmentation any more than not filling up your drive would, afaik
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• 2822[23:45:20] <bolt> ryouma: it simply means that if the drive is over 100-(m)% full, only root can write
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• 2824[23:46:28] <ozfalcon> Anyone know how to write a freedos USB from debian. (To update bios).
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• 2833[23:51:26] <kadiro> ozfalcon, first search from google gives me this: replaced-url
• 2834[23:51:39] <kadiro> becarful when dealing with devices
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• 2836[23:54:58] <ozfalcon> I have tried many google searches. Most need unetbootin.
• 2837[23:55:20] <ozfalcon> Back soon. Just about to try again. (Rebboot).
• 2838[23:55:27] <kadiro> ah you mean you want that happen wothout unetbootin?
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• 2840[23:55:50] <ozfalcon> yes. back soon.
• 2841[23:55:56] <kadiro> ok
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