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• 21[00:15:14] <notconnected> quick question, can a dumb switch connected to a managed switch be vlan'ed? like all devices connected to that dumb switch?
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• 23[00:15:25] <notconnected> its really a router on AP mode with devices connected to its switch
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• 41[00:30:11] <RoyK> notconnected: not sure what you mean - just use a separate vlan for that switch?
• 42[00:30:59] <notconnected> royk, thats what im doing, just isolating the dumb switch and every devices connected to it
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• 47[00:35:08] <logan__> notconnected: if you plug a dumb switch into an access port with VLAN #, then all switchports on the dumb switch are part of that VLAN
• 48[00:35:30] <logan__> dumb switches do not understand or use trunk ports
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• 56[00:36:59] <cinesc> hi
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• 58[00:37:16] <logan__> A better way to phrase it, is that a dumb switch isn't really a "switch" it is a bridge, or a splitter. It is an upgrade in efficiency from a hub, wherein all ports are operating in parallel continuously, but nothing more.
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• 67[00:40:10] <RoyK> Nothing4You: just allocate a separate port on the managed switch to that VLAN, don't tag it, and you'll be ok
• 68[00:40:38] <logan__> Good point Roy, dumb switches don't understand tagging either
• 69[00:40:57] <RoyK> logan__: if the dumb switch allows large frames, it'll forward the tagging, meaning whoever's connected can listen
• 70[00:41:32] <logan__> What would they hear from the tag?
• 71[00:41:50] <RoyK> logan__: the switch will just forward the packages with the tag
• 72[00:42:08] <logan__> Oh I see, flooding the frames like a hub
• 73[00:42:34] <RoyK> logan__: and a "dumb switch" is really a switch. a bridge is store-and-forward, a switch uses cut-through. a hub forwards everything to all ports
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• 75[00:43:31] <logan__> I'd also recommend doing a final check with something like Wireshark before signing off on your project whenever configuring layer 2 network
• 76[00:43:49] <RoyK> a switch has a mac address table, which works well unless you spam it with more mac addresses than it supports, at which point it starts working as a hub
• 77[00:45:10] <logan__> Yes very advisable to check and see what there is to be seen before assuming that your switches are working correctly
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• 79[00:47:44] <cinesc> is this reliable to trust If you need to update the microcode?
• 80[00:47:46] <cinesc> replaced-url
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• 93[01:01:34] <logan__> Never heard of updating microcode outside of BIOS updates personally.. maybe someone else has
• 94[01:02:20] <cinesc> did it on my laptop and it worked fine
• 95[01:02:39] <cinesc> although does this mean it´s fine?
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• 97[01:02:44] <cinesc> --w------- 1 root root 4096 Nov 3 01:01 /sys/devices/system/cpu/microcode/reload
• 98[01:02:48] <logan__> does it perform better now with the microcode update thing?
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• 100[01:03:03] <cinesc> nearly the same
• 101[01:03:19] <logan__> I would generally be hesitant to load things into non protected memory unless it's directly from the manufacturer
• 102[01:03:33] <cinesc> not sure how it performs worse but I doubt it solved the core issue
• 103[01:03:36] <logan__> If you don't explicitly need it, then probably don't install it
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• 105[01:04:07] <cinesc> I don´t want to underestimate a threat
• 106[01:05:10] <logan__> the threat seems to be data corruption or freezes, but the threat with loading code is malicious code, which I'd imagine could be worse
• 107[01:05:13] <cinesc> does what I pasted here mean that something I want to know is there is present or not?
• 108[01:05:25] <cinesc> oh yes
• 109[01:05:41] <FinalX> at least you dont have an AMD, they outdid Intel
• 110[01:06:11] <cinesc> how is not having an amd cpu a good thing?
• 111[01:06:26] <cinesc> they are safer than any intel
• 112[01:06:33] <cinesc> probably twice
• 113[01:06:51] <FinalX> random not always being random and sometimes just getting stuck returning 0xFFFFFFFF as random value 80 times in a row
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• 116[01:07:18] <FinalX> making things like your TLS session keys etc highly reproducable..
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• 121[01:07:55] <jmaher> doh
• 122[01:08:22] <cinesc> does --w------- 1 root root mean that I got what I need present to continue?
• 123[01:08:25] <FinalX> systemd recently got a patch against it, wireguard goes into an infinite loop because it tries to fetch a new session id that hasnt been used yet...and failing, infinitely
• 124[01:08:53] <FinalX> ..which is good of wireguard i guess
• 125[01:09:16] <Delf> multi-seat… anyone?
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• 128[01:10:00] <logan__> Until there is open source CPU i don't trust either
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• 138[01:13:39] <cinesc> @logan__ Indeed because these cpu flaws are nightmarish
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• 145[01:17:18] <debuser_> so, anyone here has baytrail mobile hardware or the like? It'm trying to debug backlight issues, and I _might_ have hit on something, but I need people to test it.
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• 182[01:33:57] <logan__> how many here use linux as their only OS
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• 184[01:36:21] <cinesc> me
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• 186[01:37:12] <logan__> :D
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• 188[01:37:46] <logan__> I think it's great for those who Linux can do everything they need and they don't use proprietary operating system
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• 190[01:39:39] <logan__> Though somehow windows and mac still look more polished so for those of us fixated on looks, I guess GNOME is close, but still they must be spending hours just to get the appearance down
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• 223[01:57:38] <becks`> hi, when connecting with a php ssh client, I only get a few environment variables (checked with 'var') vs. when I connect to it directly with putty... why's that?
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• 226[01:58:56] <tomreyn> "var"?
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• 229[01:59:03] <tomreyn> try env
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• 232[01:59:48] <becks`> same with env, the php ssh client must do something different :-/ I'm using the same login
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• 238[02:05:10] <crestfallen> hi I'm still having trouble booting buster on a new computer (wiping windows 7 on a dell i7 gen machine). I get an error at the beginning of the boot, in part 'radeon=100 ... missing Firmware. so I went into /etc/apt/sources.list and added contrib non-free to the first two listings. by the way, the machine is not on the premises. so... then I ran dmeg and got a huge output but saw that in red there were errors re: realtek so
• 239[02:05:10] <crestfallen> I installed the firmware with, I believe: $ sudo apt-get install firmware-realtek. that installed, but the system still won't boot. It hangs with a flashing cursor.
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• 244[02:08:09] <crestfallen> any ideas as to what I should install and how?
• 245[02:08:37] <tomreyn> crestfallen: are you able to get a full system log out of it?
• 246[02:08:58] <tomreyn> not on prem,ise means you cannot reboot? but then apparently you can?
• 247[02:09:24] <crestfallen> tomreyn sorry no it means the computer is at another location and I cannot access remotely
• 248[02:09:59] <tomreyn> so no out of band access?
• 249[02:10:29] <crestfallen> I got a huge output with dmesg and could only see the tail end of it in the recovery shell... sorry don't understand last question
• 250[02:11:10] <tomreyn> can you share the system journal? journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
• 251[02:11:17] <tomreyn> alternatively dmesg is fine, too
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• 253[02:12:38] <crestfallen> sorry no I only have chat on this machine now, the machine is at another location. I was hoping to get help now and then try to remedy it later on. just with a literal notebook so to speak
• 254[02:13:34] <crestfallen> I'm pretty sure I need to install firmware packages for an i7 machine that has always run windows
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• 258[02:15:14] <tomreyn> crestfallen: do you know the exact model by chance?
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• 265[02:17:49] <crestfallen> trying to ask friend who gave me the Dell machine.. one moment tomreyn.
• 266[02:18:11] <tomreyn> crestfallen: there are many different firmware packages, and which ones you may want to install certainly depends on which hardware you have, that's why i'm asking: replaced-url
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• 270[02:19:29] <tomreyn> the most cdommonly installed non-free firmware packages are replaced-url
• 271[02:20:31] <crestfallen> can I install those common ones as (a) package/s ?
• 272[02:20:41] <crestfallen> with apt-get?
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• 274[02:21:11] <tomreyn> yes, if you have (network?) access to an apt repository
• 275[02:21:31] <tomreyn> alternatively, directly from previously verified files works, too
• 276[02:23:25] <crestfallen> thanks, I don't know linux at all, but was able to install $ sudo apt-get install firmware-realtek. so should I remove that and install firmware-xxx using apt-get ? please indicate exactly the commands to use from the recovery shell tomreyn
• 277[02:23:54] <crestfallen> for the likely packages
• 278[02:23:57] <tomreyn> crestfallen: depends. what prompted you to install firmware-realtek?
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• 280[02:25:03] <crestfallen> in the tail end of the dmesg output , I saw errors in red indicating realtek. so based on a blog that was discussing apt-get install firmware-realtek as a solution, I installed it
• 281[02:25:36] <crestfallen> Iwas not able to view the entire output. there is no scrollback
• 282[02:25:43] <tomreyn> hmm, i guess without more details i can't recommend anything really.
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• 287[02:27:37] <tomreyn> it'll be best to boot to recovery, mount file systems / enable networking, drop to a shell and then get an lspci -knn && lsusb and come back here for further suggestions
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• 289[02:28:06] <crestfallen> tomreyn ok I can run those. thanks kindly
• 290[02:28:35] <tomreyn> you're welcome, good luck
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• 293[02:29:38] <crestfallen> tomreyn, thanks, I'm surprised the installation doesn't make it clear what are missing. I suppose a legal issue is involved
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• 304[02:31:43] <tomreyn> crestfallen: the default debian installer doesn't provide any non-free firmware. debian generally prefers setups which do not depend on non-free software and firmware
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• 306[02:33:04] <crestfallen> one more thing, if I run those commands you suggested, how to copy the output? I imagine myself writing it down on paper :)
• 307[02:33:09] <crestfallen> tomreyn,
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• 309[02:33:22] <tomreyn> i think the debian project considers this as a way of supporting free software by ensuring people actually know which non free software and firmware they depend on.
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• 311[02:35:02] <crestfallen> all I know is that the Dell i7 machine is a small model, about 8 years old, bought en masse for a university
• 312[02:35:06] <logan__> *coughs* a lot *cough*
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• 316[02:36:17] <tomreyn> crestfallen: if you'll have network access you can pipe the output to the termbin.com pastebin-like service, e.g. lspci -knn | nc termbin.com 99999 (you will likely need to "apt install netcat" beforehand).
• 317[02:36:53] <tomreyn> logan__: if you can put it better than i did, please do, i'm happy to learn
• 318[02:37:57] <tomreyn> crestfallen: once again, i had a typo there:
• 319[02:38:04] <tomreyn> crestfallen: if you'll have network access you can pipe the output to the termbin.com pastebin-like service, e.g. lspci -knn | nc termbin.com 9999 (you will likely need to "apt install netcat" beforehand).
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• 321[02:38:17] <tomreyn> this will return a url you can then share here
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• 323[02:39:29] <crestfallen> man complicated... thanks again
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• 325[02:41:43] <crestfallen> btw O
• 326[02:41:53] <crestfallen> I've used termbin before thanks
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• 329[02:42:32] <tomreyn> ah, so you're not completely new tot he terminal, good!
• 330[02:43:33] <crestfallen> I study haskell so I use termbin to paste my programming fiascos so the chatroom can grill me
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• 332[02:46:03] <crestfallen> tomreyn, to be clear, I've been using debian for 5 years, but whenever I learn something I forget it, because I've been focused on haskell. but this booting issue is the hardest thing I've dealt with. (also getting my os to recognize a bluetooth device .. uggh)
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• 334[02:46:56] <crestfallen> I spent nearly 2 hours with a member here to get my bluetooth paired and operating
• 335[02:47:01] <tomreyn> wow, if that's the hardest thing you ever had to deal with then you're quite lucky ;)
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• 337[02:48:04] <crestfallen> pax
• 338[02:48:30] <tomreyn> it can be useful to take notes on what you do, like keeping a (b)log for yourself, one you can later search.
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• 341[02:49:20] <tomreyn> that's because you will likely run into the same obstacles again even after years.
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• 344[02:51:11] <tomreyn> the general rule is: as long as you buy the right hardware, it will work fine out of the box. unfortunately it'S also very difficult to know which hardware you are buying exactly.
• 345[02:52:00] <crestfallen> yeah I take some notes, like I was able to use a bluetooth speaker after forgetting how. I have to go into sound and re-tweak a bunch of stuff, it doesnt stick...just to watch a movie.. yeah this computer in question was given to me from a university surplus
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• 347[02:52:41] <swift110> nice crestfallen
• 348[02:52:46] <tomreyn> if you need to manually do this every time you boot, you should certianly automate it.
• 349[02:52:58] <swift110> tomreyn, good idea thats what i did back in 2011
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• 351[02:53:51] <tomreyn> swift110: what did you do in 2011? automate things? ;)
• 352[02:54:10] <crestfallen> anyway I'll get the exact model and the output as per your suggestion
• 353[02:54:15] <crestfallen> later.
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• 357[02:56:58] <swift110> tomreyn, I started blog then
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• 360[02:57:23] <tomreyn> oh i see
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• 478[04:31:55] <oxek> I can't get wifi to work on debian:
• 479[04:32:05] <oxek> the error I get is with wpa_supplicant
• 480[04:32:15] <oxek> systemctl status wpa_supplicant shows this:
• 481[04:33:02] <oxek> dbus: Could not acquire the system bus: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.FileNotFound - Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory
• 482[04:33:10] <oxek> I googled, and this error does not exist yet
• 483[04:33:17] <oxek> this is on debian stable
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• 487[04:34:38] <oxek> any advice on how to proceed?
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• 489[04:34:55] <oxek> replaced-url
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• 493[04:36:17] <oxek> and before anyone asks, yes, I have proper driver for wifi and proper firmware as well
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• 495[04:36:57] <dvs> oxek, replaced-url
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• 497[04:38:23] <oxek> dvs: no error if you run sudo systemctl restart wpa_supplicant.service?
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• 499[04:39:06] <oxek> when I run that, I get "Failed to restart wpa_supplicant.service: Unit dbus.socket not found."
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• 503[04:40:24] <dvs> oxek, why would I run that? I'd do ifdown wlan0 && ifup wlan0
• 504[04:41:00] <rpthms> oxek: Do you have dbus installed?
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• 506[04:41:24] <oxek> rpthms: `apt list --installed | grep dbus` shows that it is installed
• 507[04:42:31] <rpthms> Next thing to check would be if dbus is actually running
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• 509[04:43:09] <oxek> rpthms: how do I check that?
• 510[04:43:53] <rpthms> What does "systemctl status dbus" tell you?
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• 512[04:44:21] <rpthms> Copy its output to a pastebin site
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• 514[04:44:27] <oxek> "Unit dbus.service could not be found"
• 515[04:44:41] <oxek> I'll go try debug this issue now, since it looks like I am making progress
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• 517[04:45:18] <rpthms> Hmm, that's not supposed to happen. Maybe try reinstalling the dbus package
• 518[04:45:57] <oxek> rpthms: not supposed to happen indeed. Will be hard to reinstall given no internet access on that machine due to this error.
• 519[04:46:01] <oxek> I'll see what I can do
• 520[04:46:44] <rpthms> Alright, good luck!
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• 549[05:06:59] <oxek> is there a way of connecting to wifi when dbus does not work?
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• 551[05:07:23] <oxek> I tried all the manual methods, but nothing works
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• 560[05:17:41] <oxek> I put the .deb on usb stick and installed manually using dpkg
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• 562[05:17:47] <oxek> dbus is now working
• 563[05:18:04] <oxek> wifi still not, but we have progress
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• 585[05:50:36] <ensamvarg> Has someone of you running the Amazon Shopping App for Android on Intel x64?
• 586[05:50:38] <ensamvarg> I get the error on Anbox: Failure [INSTALL_FAILED_NO_MATCHING_ABIS: Failed to extract native libraries, res=-113]
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• 597[06:04:56] <rpthms> oxek: You only need dbus if you're running wpa_supplicant using systemd, as wpa_supplicant uses the "dbus" type. You could always run wpa_supplicant manually and give it a temporary config file containing your WiFi credentails
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• 599[06:06:44] <rpthms> Here's a section from the Arch wiki that shows you how to do it: replaced-url
• 600[06:07:23] <rpthms> Once the WiFi is setup, run a DHCP client or set a static IP and you should be set
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• 611[06:23:31] <oxek> rpthms: thanks, I got wifi running using the arch wiki
• 612[06:23:43] <oxek> well "running", it seems to timeout all the time
• 613[06:23:54] <oxek> but at least I got it to once give me dhcp
• 614[06:24:02] <oxek> so it is a different problem now
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• 616[06:24:05] <oxek> but hey, progress
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• 631[06:59:52] <oxek> why do I need to put my WPA-PSK both into /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf and /etc/network/interfaces?
• 632[07:00:05] <oxek> I get that wpa_supplicant needs it in its .conf file
• 633[07:00:25] <oxek> but the /etc/network/interfaces should just have the SSID logically, no?
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• 735[08:35:45] <finn0> Is anybody here using Chromium browser in GNOME desktop environment? I need to confirm an issue. Chromium isn't opening in same workspace from which I launch it.
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• 747[08:40:12] <finn0> here output when `Chromium` is launched from terminal: replaced-url
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• 750[08:44:22] <finn0> If I'm correct this error message has to something to do with the issue
• 751[08:44:32] <finn0> [25884:25884:1103/130413.077083:ERROR:buffer_manager.cc(488)] [.DisplayCompositor]GL ERROR :GL_INVALID_OPERATION : glBufferData: <- error from previous GL command
• 752[08:44:51] <finn0> (see 2nd line in paste)
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• 799[09:26:16] <aZz7eCh> hi #deb. madam mirror raid. i notice every so often my file server churning away with the hdd light on steady. never sure what its up to but presume nothing bad. today i decided to 'cat /proc/mdstat' while its doign and notice it reads with an additional line saying [=======>.] check = X%.
• 800[09:26:29] <aZz7eCh> it has now finished and if i cat it again the check line is now gone.
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• 802[09:27:09] <aZz7eCh> does madam do this automatically weekly or daily or something? its not indicative of something having gone wrong with my array, right?
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• 959[10:05:11] <annadane> where can i read up about ssd trim/general use in debian?
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• 1005[10:12:02] <annadane> i actually thought i read a thing saying 'trim isn't necessary in buster' but now i can't find it
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• 1009[10:16:04] <annadane> replaced-url
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• 1021[10:26:00] <ratrace> annadane: because the fstrim service is already enabled by default?
• 1022[10:26:37] <annadane> is it? oh cool.
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• 1025[10:27:23] <ratrace> annadane: i'm actually asking, I can't remember if I enabled mine manually or it was there already :)
• 1026[10:27:44] <annadane> IDK.
• 1027[10:28:00] <annadane> if you're asking me questions about technical knowledge something is very, very wrong
• 1028[10:28:02] <jpw> i think fstrim.timer needs to be manually enabled
• 1029[10:28:12] <ratrace> annadane: looks like part of util-linux and vendor enabled bs default
• 1030[10:28:15] <ratrace> *as
• 1031[10:28:50] <ratrace> jpw: vendor preset: enabled -- I'm assuming that means it was enabled by default?
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• 1035[10:30:11] <ratrace> annadane: I was asking what the thing you read said why it wasn't necessary on buster :)
• 1036[10:30:41] <ratrace> but anyway, I think it's on by default. I know for sure it is on Ubuntu.
• 1037[10:31:24] <annadane> nice of the wiki writer to not tell us *why* you don't need to enable it on debian
• 1038[10:31:26] <ratrace> It clears 20-30 GB per week for me. huh... most of that is just from the browser cache lol
• 1039[10:31:30] <annadane> on buster*
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• 1042[10:33:12] <jpw> hm it's enabled here too. i'm sure recently i had to enable it on a fresh install
• 1043[10:34:07] <annadane> okay, really stupid question. i should know this already. but if i have a debian image lying around along with its sha512sums and sha512sums.sign in a directory, on minor versions (10.2, 10.3) i don't need to replace those right? the keys and signatures won't change? maybe only on every major version like debian 11/12
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• 1045[10:35:48] <ratrace> annadane: you need new checksums for each new iso that gets released, and there's a new ISO for each point release
• 1046[10:36:18] <annadane> well, yes, i knew the latter, just asking about the checksums. but okay
• 1047[10:36:24] <ratrace> but you _can_ use an older ISO (say, 10.0), with corresponding checksum, and the just run apt upgrade to 10.x
• 1048[10:36:32] <annadane> yep i know
• 1049[10:36:42] <ratrace> annadane: well the checksums file only lists known ISOs at the time of that file creation
• 1050[10:36:44] <zleap> if the current version is say 10.4 and your iso is for 10.2 I am sure you end up with 10.4 post install from that image
• 1051[10:36:46] <annadane> i obsessively download/burn the minor versions as they come out, though
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• 1053[10:36:56] <ratrace> for example, at the time 10.0 was released, it had no clue bout the 10.1 ISOs
• 1054[10:37:01] <annadane> makes sense
• 1055[10:37:10] <aZz7eCh> jelly, thanks
• 1056[10:37:44] <ratrace> this reminds me, I have to upgrade my debian rescue USB stick thingy
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• 1075[10:48:40] <ratrace> lol the importance of apparmoring Firefox... was testing modprobe block for the vivid driver (there's a vuln in it) earlier..... and what do I find now in the logs? AppArmor denial for Firefox trying to access /dev/video0. LOL!
• 1076[10:49:26] <ratrace> spyware... all of it. everyhwere. anywhere. cut your UTP cables today! burn your wifi APs.
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• 1087[10:54:18] <annadane> jesus christ virt-manager is slow.
• 1088[10:54:28] * annadane needs a faster computer in general
• 1089[10:54:50] <ratrace> do you mean qemu-kvm is? virt-manager is supposed to be just UI for it
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• 1091[10:55:06] <annadane> oh, apparmor... yeah, i tried firejailing firefox earlier, couldn't figure out the syntax, now i'm trying to apparmor it
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• 1094[10:56:30] <ratrace> yeah. just imagine, I modprobed a module and FF immediately tried to grab the interface...
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• 1096[10:59:00] <annadane> i just have the typical adblocking stuff so i assumed i was okay
• 1097[10:59:07] <annadane> sweet summer child etc
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• 1100[11:02:48] <schumaml> ratrace: you're sure that this isn't just firefox checking whether you got a camera?
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• 1102[11:03:18] <schumaml> for use with e.g. a webrtc connection
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• 1104[11:04:37] <schumaml> a quick search suggests replaced-url
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• 1116[11:10:38] <ratrace> schumaml: I don't know and maybe it is. I'm still glad I apparmored that thing.
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• 1131[11:19:48] <annadane> screw man pages! i'm using internet tutorials.
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• 1137[11:23:00] <ratrace> sudo curl replaced-url
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• 1140[11:24:09] <annadane> GOOD internet tutorials. =/
• 1141[11:24:14] <ratrace> :)
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• 1145[11:24:52] <ratrace> I was just being facetios wrt GitLab's official curl|sudo bash installation instructions....
• 1146[11:24:59] <ratrace> *ous
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• 1150[11:27:13] <annadane> actually the man pages probably are better...
• 1151[11:27:36] <ratrace> properly written ones are, yeah
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• 1160[11:33:10] <annadane> besides being dangerous curl | sudo bash is really lazy
• 1161[11:33:24] <annadane> not that everyone does read every bit of code they download from the internet but...
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• 1163[11:34:53] <annadane> jesus. when it takes 5 seconds to open mpv, you may need a new hard drive
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• 1171[11:37:44] <debuser_> anyone here who's still willing to look into backlight adjustment on baytrail (and the like) mobile hardware?
• 1172[11:38:04] <debuser_> I'm pretty sure I may have found something
• 1173[11:38:05] <ratrace> Day three now? congrats on the persistence.
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• 1175[11:38:37] <annadane> it's almost worth it to use apparmor for every bit of untrusted code (or even trusted code) you download from the internet but ain't nobody got time for that, i guess
• 1176[11:39:43] <ratrace> that's why the idea behind snaps (but not the implementation) is very nice
• 1177[11:40:01] <ratrace> containerized, apparmor enforced, application delivery and usage.
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• 1180[11:41:11] <ratrace> (or flatpaks but those are enforced with selinux methinks)
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• 1182[11:42:18] <annadane> i wonder if i should just enable *all* the filters in ublock origin including the country specific ones...
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• 1184[11:42:26] <annadane> anyway, i'm babbling, debuser has a question
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• 1223[12:10:48] <wxb> Hi. I can't seem to add a partition with gparted. I open it up, password, and I ensure that the flashs drive is not mounted. I right click, but the 'new' option is greyed out. I can format the drive, but that's it. Same issue on two drives. Any thoughts?
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• 1227[12:12:51] <debuser_> wxb, does the flash drive have an existing partition?
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• 1230[12:13:23] <wxb> debuser_, No, just the whole thing is FAT.
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• 1233[12:14:39] <debuser_> wxb, that's your issue then. you need to shrink the fat partition and create some space that's unpartitioned altogether
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• 1236[12:15:38] <debuser_> wxb, do keep in mind though that some operating systems may be unable to address anything but the _first_ partition on an external USB drive
• 1237[12:15:54] <debuser_> wxb, not a problem for linux, but it can be one elsewhere
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• 1239[12:16:16] <mystic> i disagree
• 1240[12:16:22] <mystic> wxb has issues
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• 1245[12:18:53] <wxb> debuser_, Hmmmm... fdisk was able to create a partition, but now the flash drive won't mount automatically...
• 1246[12:19:00] <wxb> mystic, What do you think is up?
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• 1249[12:19:58] <mystic> well, i went there and they tried to bend me over
• 1250[12:20:17] <debuser_> wxb, I wouldn't bother with fdisk. gparted can do _mostly_ anything that fdisk can. noye that you do need a partition _table_ (MBR/GPT) but that has nothing to do w/ FAT per se
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• 1255[12:22:01] <annadane> you need both? :/
• 1256[12:22:14] <mystic> Fat percy ?
• 1257[12:22:25] <annadane> i formatted something as vfat recently and copied my files over to it and it didn't work on someone else's computer, did i need to also make it MBR?
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• 1259[12:22:50] <mystic> the new method is fivematting
• 1260[12:22:58] <annadane> STFU and stop trolling the channel.
• 1261[12:23:28] <mystic> dont be bitter.. im just oiling the skids for you
• 1262[12:23:28] <debuser_> annadane, MBR is a partition-table type. if your drive has a vfat partiytion already on it, you do not need to bother w/ that stuff
• 1263[12:23:34] <mystic> a thankless task
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• 1265[12:24:46] <ratrace> jelly: ping
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• 1267[12:25:35] <mystic> i do a good denzil washington impresson
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• 1271[12:26:31] <wxb> debuser_, Ah... I first had to create a partition table! I did msdos and now I've added a FAT partition. Cool
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• 1310[12:41:59] <finn0> !irclog
• 1311[12:41:59] <dpkg> [irclog] #debian on <freenode> is logged at replaced-url
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• 1323[12:48:50] <finn0> Is anybody here using Chromium browser in GNOME desktop environment? I need to confirm an issue. Chromium isn't opening in same workspace from which I launch it.
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• 1325[12:49:11] <finn0> here output when `Chromium` is launched from terminal: replaced-url
• 1326[12:49:43] <finn0> If I'm correct this error message has to something to do with the issue
• 1327[12:50:07] <finn0> [25884:25884:1103/130413.077083:ERROR:buffer_manager.cc(488)] [.DisplayCompositor]GL ERROR :GL_INVALID_OPERATION : glBufferData: <- error from previous GL command
• 1328[12:50:19] <finn0> (see 2nd line in paste)
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• 1337[12:54:06] <no_gravity> One thing I miss when working in screen is that I cannot scroll up with the mouse wheel (or in any fashion for that matter). Is there a way to fix that?
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• 1345[12:56:13] <ratrace> no_gravity: like this? replaced-url
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• 1347[12:56:55] <no_gravity> ratrace: Not sure what you mean.
• 1348[12:57:30] <ratrace> yeah I don't know why I read you needed this in tmux.....
• 1349[12:58:04] <ratrace> this then? replaced-url
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• 1351[12:58:42] <no_gravity> Hmm... Putting this into my screenrc seems to make scrolling work: termcapinfo xterm* ti@:te@
• 1352[12:58:45] <no_gravity> I wonder if it has any side effects.
• 1353[12:59:02] <no_gravity> ratrace: Yeah, just read that too :)
• 1354[12:59:27] <ratrace> JustUseTmux(tm) ;)
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• 1393[13:19:25] <finn0> seems like those error messages have nothing to do with my problem; those error happens due to GPU issue.
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• 1450[13:51:49] <oo_miguel> msmtp seems not to write any logs and my /var/log/messages tells me that apparmor is denying access to the log files. I am basically on a fresh debian stable install. Do I need to make some additional adjustments?
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• 1461[13:54:38] <AD> Salut !
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• 1479[14:03:04] <Deb10newbie> anyone knows why root, with su, in terminal xfce is not alwayds working but sometimes adding sudo in front of command will work eventhough I'm not a "sudo user" per se
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• 1491[14:08:15] <cinesc> Don´t know if this is the right thread to ask but how can you heat up plastic easily if you need to apply it like you apply tin or some other material on a surface you want to change?
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• 1493[14:08:44] <cinesc> as in what tool to heat up is recommended
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• 1499[14:13:34] <jelly> Deb10newbie: you probably want to use "su -" to become root, not just "su"
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• 1504[14:15:10] <Deb10newbie> I will try su - thanks jelly
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• 1506[14:15:38] <jelly> ratrace: 64 bytes from jelly: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=7200000ms
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• 1531[14:26:03] <jelly> cinesc: uh... try asking the ##hardware channel?
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• 1547[14:32:15] <cinesc> tried there but got too offtopic even there
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• 1557[14:37:02] <sponix> cinesc: there is such a thing as a "Heat Gun" .. But most liquid cooling tube benders use a Hair Dryer in a pinch :)
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• 1560[14:41:18] <cinesc> Was going to use one but that will be loud
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• 1563[14:41:49] <jelly> oo_miguel: users have stumbled onto other issues with msmtp package apparmor profile. replaced-url
• 1564[14:41:50] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1574[14:45:46] <sk__> i want to upgrade from debian9 to debain 10 how much internet data i needed for this
• 1575[14:46:14] <dvs> sk__, it depends how many packages you installed.
• 1576[14:46:44] <sk__> i want full upgrade including all installed apps
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• 1578[14:46:52] <blackmajic> How do i take the space from /dev and move it to /? I know ill need a live CD, but i dont know what sets the size on /dev. Its not in the fstab.
• 1579[14:47:15] <jelly> blackmajic: /dev is a virtual filesystem, its space is provided by your RAM
• 1580[14:47:56] <jelly> it does not exist on disk, so space can't be reallocated that way
• 1581[14:48:00] <blackmajic> So the size of /dev isnt taken from my harddrive, but my ram? Kind of like a ramdisk?
• 1582[14:48:30] <jelly> it's (exactly like) a ramdisk with a specific purpose, yes
• 1583[14:48:47] <blackmajic> Okay, just wanted to make sure it wasnt from my hard drive :)
• 1584[14:49:07] <jelly> !tmpfs
• 1585[14:49:07] <dpkg> tmpfs is a file system which keeps all files in virtual memory; you can change its default size by editing /etc/default/tmpfs. Temporary filesystems can be mounted with a line such as "tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0" in /etc/fstab. replaced-url
• 1586[14:49:49] <blackmajic> I knew the later portion of that, but not the tmpfs file :)
• 1587[14:49:56] <jelly> blackmajic: the "mount" command will tell you the filesystem type for /dev is either tmpfs or devtmpfs
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• 1589[14:50:19] <blackmajic> udev devtmpfs is what it says
• 1590[14:50:23] <jelly> right
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• 1593[14:52:43] <jelly> devtmpfs is slightly different than tmpfs, and apparently it creates some entries in /dev automatically
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• 1595[14:53:01] <blackmajic> yeah thats what i figured out
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• 1607[15:04:56] <ratrace> jelly: "mystic" had a kickban wish, but they're gone now :)
• 1608[15:06:07] <jelly> ratrace: ah. Best use !ops for that purpose
• 1609[15:06:48] <ratrace> jelly: I would had it escalated ;)
• 1610[15:07:06] <ratrace> thought oyu were around for a "soft" nudge to your attention ;)
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• 1616[15:11:59] <jelly> ratrace: "don't focus on a single helper" applies here as well, if op is needed, call an op, not a specific one. If I'm around I'll respond, if someone else is around they will.
• 1617[15:12:29] <ratrace> jelly: mkay, soz.
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• 1634[15:20:55] <debuser_> anyone here who's still willing to look into backlight adjustment on baytrail (and the like) mobile hardware? kernel/initrd devs are also welcome
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• 1637[15:21:24] <debuser_> I'm pretty sure I may have found something that may warrant filing as a bug, but I'd need some help testing it
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• 1639[15:23:23] <jelly> not many kernel devs in here
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• 1642[15:25:53] <debuser_> jelly, I just meant someone who's involved in Debian as a developer/maintainer, and familiar with that area
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• 1645[15:29:55] <finn0> sk__: apt will inform you; how much data is required, when you run "apt upgrade" or "apt dist-upgrade".
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• 1744[16:44:02] <Gerowen> Question. I have two drives in RAID 1. One of them has failed (/dev/sdc1). When I try mdadm /dev/md0 --fail /dev/sdc1 --remove /dev/sdc1 I get "Cannot get array info for /dev/md0"
• 1745[16:44:13] <Gerowen> But /dev/md0 is the array, as specified in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
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• 1760[16:52:15] <kia_> hi
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• 1792[17:10:39] <dopeware> to
• 1793[17:10:41] <dopeware> yo
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• 1820[17:24:40] <mystic> is 20,000 leagues unde the sea a good film?
• 1821[17:25:30] <dopeware> maybe
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• 1823[17:25:48] <mystic> must be with a name like that
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• 1825[17:26:10] <dopeware> u can check reviews
• 1826[17:26:13] <dopeware> for this film
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• 1828[17:26:25] <mystic> id rather hear your opinion
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• 1830[17:27:12] <mystic> replaced-url
• 1831[17:27:14] <kadiro> for series i'd suggest the walking dead
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• 1835[17:29:31] <mystic> the titel isnt ass good
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• 1864[17:56:27] <KOLANICH> Hi everyb9dy.
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• 1867[17:57:10] <KOLANICH> Are there anyone using CI for building packages here
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• 1869[17:57:18] <dvs> !anyone
• 1870[17:57:19] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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• 1874[17:59:54] <jolitoledo> I'm unable to get Xorg to work on my old Geforce 8800 card. Anyone familiar with how to get tha working?
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• 1881[18:02:59] <KOLANICH> …te hardware-virtualized VM. So I wonder what are the best practices for building packages in GitLab.
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• 1885[18:03:43] <KOLANICH> I mean if I can spawn jobs from within a job and collec their results.
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• 1890[18:03:55] <KOLANICH> *collect
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• 1918[18:18:22] <moldy> hi
• 1919[18:18:34] <moldy> can i upgrade jessie to buster directly, or should i go via stretch?
• 1920[18:19:12] <towo`> no, you can't
• 1921[18:19:20] <towo`> you have to di it step by step
• 1922[18:19:25] <towo`> *to do
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• 1925[18:20:23] <Miles> be careful if you have old video card... they dropped the video driver in buster...!
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• 1933[18:22:45] <ratrace> Miles8of9: what driver?
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• 1935[18:23:11] <Miles8of9> nvdia-legacy-304xx
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• 1939[18:24:43] <whislock> Miles8of9: What GPU do you have?
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• 1946[18:26:00] <moldy> towo`: thanks
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• 1950[18:26:39] <Miles8of9> Geforce GO 6600
• 1951[18:26:51] <Miles8of9> not supported in 340 driver
• 1952[18:26:56] <Miles8of9> only driver i 304
• 1953[18:27:39] <ratrace> 304 legacy is available in sid though
• 1954[18:28:00] <whislock> ,checkbackport nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver
• 1955[18:28:01] <judd> Backporting package nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver in sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster.
• 1956[18:28:06] <whislock> !ssb
• 1957[18:28:06] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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• 1959[18:28:20] <Miles8of9> there is a problem... xorg version in buster is 1.20
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• 1961[18:28:56] <ratrace> huh replaced-url
• 1962[18:28:57] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1966[18:30:51] <Miles8of9> even if in sid you can't use it :|
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• 1969[18:31:15] <whislock> Might be time to get a newer cheapo GPU.
• 1970[18:31:31] <whislock> Ancient hardware can't be expected to work forever, especially when upstream EoLs the driver.
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• 1974[18:33:23] <Miles8of9> it's a notebook... i can't change video card...
• 1975[18:33:32] <whislock> Don't know what to tell you, then.
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• 1977[18:34:20] <whislock> That's 15 year old hardware.
• 1978[18:34:29] <kadiro> oh that sad
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• 1980[18:34:47] <whislock> Miles8of9: replaced-url
• 1981[18:34:54] <whislock> Last release was 2017.
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• 1992[18:39:01] <jolitoledo> I finally got xorg back. I did this: removed all the nvidia-drivers i could find and install the nvidia-legacy-340xx drivers again. It seems I have a lot of cruft haning around from prior upgrade.
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• 1999[18:43:52] <kadiro> I have a little problem ( I guess ) with vdr, the signal is very good (tested in windows xp just fine ), got the channel hang for about 12 seconds or more, the error/info I get is this: [input_vdr] No data in 8 seconds, queuing no signal image
• 2000[18:43:58] <Miles8of9> i think i'll reinstall debian and keep stretch as long as it lasts...
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• 2014[18:53:32] <jolitoledo> Miles8of9, I had to fully remove a bunch of older drivers and re-install the legacy-340 (for my gforce 8800) and finally it worked. Make sure you start out with 'startx' because the display managers can be funky.
• 2015[18:54:17] <ratrace> Miles8of9: you can also consider Ubuntu Bionic, it has xorg <1.20 and will be supported longer than Stretch
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• 2020[18:57:19] <Miles8of9> ehmmm... well... my system is i386... not amd64.. so, no bionic :D
• 2021[18:57:38] <Miles8of9> ubuntu dropped non-64 versions a while ago
• 2022[18:57:43] <ratrace> only ISOs
• 2023[18:58:15] <ratrace> you could install 32-bit xenial and bump it to bionic for example.
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• 2025[18:58:42] <Miles8of9> it could be a good idea :D
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• 2028[19:00:42] <debuser_> Miles8of9, how does that graphics card behave w/ nouveau?
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• 2031[19:01:28] <debuser_> Miles8of9, generally older cards are reasonably well supported
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• 2033[19:02:04] <Miles8of9> seems quite slow... and of course no 3d support but that's not a problem
• 2034[19:02:31] <Miles8of9> nvidia driver was better
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• 2036[19:03:22] <RoyK> ratrace: I somewhat doubt that would work too well replaced-url
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• 2038[19:04:11] <ratrace> RoyK: it would work just fine, what you linked is about 19.10 and onward. bionic is supported for 5 years (since 2018) plus extra 5 paid extended for 10 yr total
• 2039[19:04:29] <RoyK> but hell - seems debian still supports 32bit
• 2040[19:04:32] <ratrace> also, 19.10 and 20.04 at least will retain 32-bit support for strategic packages like steam, wine.
• 2041[19:04:47] <ratrace> RoyK: maybe it's time to reconsider that for the future releases :)
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• 2045[19:05:14] <RoyK> ratrace: what that statement says is "retain 32bit support in a 64bit kernel", meaning it won't work on a 32bit kernel
• 2046[19:05:34] <ratrace> RoyK: yea but those are releases _after_ bionic
• 2047[19:05:49] <ratrace> bionic will be supported 'til 2023 for community, and +5 years if you pay up
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• 2049[19:06:00] <RoyK> !sns
• 2050[19:06:00] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
• 2051[19:06:16] <ratrace> how does sns tie into this
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• 2053[19:06:49] <RoyK> for a 15 old machine with 32bit cpu, why would you need a modern kernel and libs?
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• 2055[19:07:25] <ratrace> uhm... I recommended Bionic because it's the last release that still supports nvidia 304
• 2056[19:07:46] <ratrace> and one that will be supported for 5 years
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• 2058[19:08:21] <ratrace> unlike stretch that EOLs next year and LTS support is very limited and also a year shorter than bionic, so if Miles8of9 wants to squeeze out last drop of support from that laptop, bionic makes sense :)
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• 2061[19:09:18] <RoyK> and btw, why are we discussing ubuntu in here? I thought that was like swearing in church ;)
• 2062[19:09:28] <ratrace> I like to defy god. Hail Satan :)
• 2063[19:09:31] <Miles8of9> !moving target
• 2064[19:09:31] <dpkg> Sure, testing might be shinier than stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Configuration file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer than working *on* your computer, you might not want that. See <testing security>.
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• 2068[19:10:54] <Miles8of9> ahhahah, come on, ubuntu is debian based... and not done by M$..!
• 2069[19:10:56] <nvz> Debian Buster (MATE): Been using fingerprint login with lightdm for ages, no password..account disabled.. now I've set a password and regardless if I do passwd or fingerprint my login keyring no longer unlocks at login.
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• 2071[19:11:44] <trui> literally over a hundred distros are 'debian based'
• 2072[19:11:57] <Miles8of9> linux has support for fingerprint login thing?? OO
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• 2074[19:12:18] <trui> it'd be chaos if we chatted about them all here :P
• 2075[19:12:33] <ratrace> Miles8of9: frankly I no longer consider it debian based given how much it debiated (sic!) :) it's based on some debs taken from sid every few months and heavily modified.
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• 2079[19:13:47] <ratrace> nvz: and if you unset it?
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• 2083[19:15:00] <whislock> Miles8of9: Whether or not something is made by MS isn't really a factor. Ubuntu also loads Amazon crapware into their desktop release.
• 2084[19:15:20] <Miles8of9> uhh..? Oo
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• 2086[19:16:16] <ratrace> I thought they stopped some years ago, I think since they dropped unity (and thus amazon integration in the "lens")
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• 2088[19:16:25] <whislock> Nope. Even the current desktop release has it.
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• 2091[19:18:21] <trui> okay, i guess around 60-70 distros on distrowatch are debian based, and if you include ubuntu based distributions, over 100
• 2092[19:18:44] <Miles8of9> what packages from amazon are in ubuntu?
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• 2095[19:21:38] <whislock> Miles8of9: There's an amazon launcher built-in, and your dash search queries are sent to amazon and return product results in addition to searching your local system.
• 2096[19:21:48] <whislock> Anyway, this is #debian, and I should probably stop talking about !debian.
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• 2098[19:22:02] <Miles8of9> uhhh OO
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• 2110[19:32:33] <nvz> ratrace: idk.. haven't tried that.. been working hard.. my hands are tore up.. fingerprints rarely work anymore
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• 2112[19:33:20] <nvz> ratrace: its just annoying cause chromium has a fit.. 6 or more dialogs about the keyring.. I am sure I can fix it.. probably by opening seahorse and setting login keyring password but its just annoying
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• 2116[19:35:21] <ratrace> nvz: I wouldn't know :) I was thinking about some pam integration going bust and was curious if all is well again if you revert to no password
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• 2125[19:42:56] <nvz> yeah pam leaves much to be desired..
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• 2131[19:45:23] <SerajewelKS> pam is like ldap
• 2132[19:45:32] <SerajewelKS> it's nice when it works. when it doesn't, it's infuriating.
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• 2134[19:45:55] <l9> conntrack table filling up with over 63000 connections
• 2135[19:46:00] <l9> what is going on ?
• 2136[19:46:09] <nvz> yeah well I barely understand it.. and maybe I could set it up better but as-is I have to fail fingerprint 3x to passwd login
• 2137[19:46:18] <SerajewelKS> l9: possibly a DoS attack?
• 2138[19:46:25] <nvz> which I'd rather it work more intuitively like android.. where I can easily do either
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• 2141[19:46:54] <l9> SerajewelKS: yeah i am thinking the same, and long timeout on established connections?
• 2142[19:47:05] <nvz> fprintd itself is rather half baked though
• 2143[19:47:27] <ratrace> l9: TIME_WAIT states mostly?
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• 2145[19:48:23] <SerajewelKS> l9: could also just be a spike in traffic. we had something similar happen where i work.
• 2146[19:49:15] <SerajewelKS> l9: one of our clients was featured on the apprentice (US TV show) and didn't tell us in advance so we didn't set up any kind of caching. we eventually had to just turn off their site for a few hours because it was killing other sites on the same server.
• 2147[19:49:22] <SerajewelKS> l9: but it looked like a DoS at first
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• 2152[19:51:04] <l9> SerajewelKS: yeah that would do it, I am just asking for a friend of mine. I think they might have been hit by a DDoS that spawned alot of connections and then stopped
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• 2154[19:51:26] <l9> ratrace: i think most was established
• 2155[19:51:58] <ratrace> l9: to what destination port?
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• 2157[19:53:05] <l9> 443
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• 2159[19:54:07] <ratrace> l9: can you see corresponding number of connections in the web server stats? nginx for example has a nice, graphable status page
• 2160[19:55:45] <l9> ratrace: the owner solved it the easy way he firewalled off those connections that had too many connection and dropped them. So i can't get more data :s
• 2161[19:56:19] <ratrace> you mean IPs that had too many connections?
• 2162[19:56:29] <l9> yeah
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• 2166[19:58:02] <l9> ratrace: 20 000 was in SYN_RECV is all i know, and for me it sounds like he got hit by some for of DDoS or something
• 2167[19:58:12] <ratrace> not sure I understand what your role is here, and where you're reading those connstates if the "owner" "firewalled off" those and you can't look into the webserver stats :) nvm, though.
• 2168[19:58:24] <ratrace> here = in that firewall
• 2169[19:58:35] <ratrace> 20k is nothing for a DDoS
• 2170[19:58:51] <ratrace> maybe times a thousand or tenfold that
• 2171[19:59:53] <ratrace> (I'm talking about syn flood, of course you can deny service with far less requests if you hog the application that's responding to them)
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• 2174[20:00:29] <ratrace> like a badly configured no-upper-bound prefork-mpm mod_php image processor still running 5.x :)
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• 2311[21:45:54] <BlackFerdyPT> hi everyone. I need to know if the Twitter font is being properly displayed on my computer. can anyone here, who is still using Debian 9 with GNOME, tell me which is his/her output of the command "fc-match gotham"?
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• 2313[21:46:17] <mystic> i think its cos ure using linux
• 2314[21:46:22] <mystic> hope that helps
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• 2316[21:47:13] <Habbie> BlackFerdyPT, i want to make it very clear that i am on debian 10, not 9, but here it is: DejaVuSans.ttf: "DejaVu Sans" "Book"
• 2317[21:47:53] <BlackFerdyPT> hi, Habbie , maybe that will help anyway. thank you very much for your help. :)
• 2318[21:48:02] <Habbie> :)
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• 2321[21:49:10] <BlackFerdyPT> yep. same result on my side. the small difference I observe must be some slightly different rendering issue, then. thanks again, Habbie
• 2322[21:50:08] <BlackFerdyPT> (I'm using a minimal installation with Fluxbox. that's why I'm not sure everything was properly setup...)
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• 2324[21:51:11] <BlackFerdyPT> thanks, again. bye all
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• 2347[22:07:43] <trysten> can someone help me remember the place to find reasons why a package is somehwere
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• 2350[22:08:08] <trysten> like, i'm trying to findout why guacamole isn't in stable or testing. I think I've even seen it before somewhere
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• 2355[22:10:52] <mystic> .yt Revolting Cocks - Da Ya Think I'm Sexy?
• 2356[22:11:14] <trysten> it's in the tracker
• 2357[22:11:19] <Habbie> replaced-url
• 2358[22:11:22] <Habbie> i bet it can be found via here
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• 2362[22:11:59] <Habbie> ah, which does indeed eventually get you to, say, replaced-url
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• 2365[22:13:25] <Ankman> mystic: Rod Steward?
• 2366[22:13:35] <Ankman> loving that song
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• 2395[22:35:20] <LtL> irc.oftc.net/6697
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• 2452[23:02:10] <trysten> so i uninstalled some packages I was using. aaaand they are gone. how do i get php5 on debian stable?
• 2453[23:02:18] <trysten> I just need it temporarily, to upgrade a site
• 2454[23:02:49] <nkuttler> ,v php5
• 2455[23:02:50] <judd> Package: php5 on amd64 -- jessie: 5.6.33+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.40+dfsg-0+deb8u7
• 2456[23:02:58] <nkuttler> !jessie
• 2457[23:02:59] <dpkg> Jessie is the codename for the current <oldoldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25. Security support ended 2018-05-17, repos removed from mirrors around 2019-03-24, except for <jessie-lts>. Jessie is the cowgirl in Toy Story 2. See replaced-url
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• 2459[23:03:25] <nkuttler> trysten: spin up a jessie vm/container?
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• 2463[23:04:53] <trysten> nkuttler: good point. Why am I not using docker already. Thanks!
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• 2466[23:07:31] <tds> ondrej sury is also still maintaining php5 repos which can be useful in a pinch
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• 2479[23:13:22] <b1anc> nevermind
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• 2488[23:21:37] <Janni> Hello. I have a quick question concerning cat. I just ran cat on an AES encrypted file. Afterwards I found the following string on my terminal "62;1;2;6;9;15;22c62;1;2;6;9;15" to the right of the prompt as if I had just typed it. Pressing enter gave me a couple of "unknown command"s. Now I'm wondering...
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• 2490[23:22:12] <Janni> This behaviour is surely based on some characters in the file that correspond to some shell escape sequences.
• 2491[23:22:33] <jhutchins> Janni: Yup. Your question?
• 2492[23:23:12] <Janni> Could someone use such sequences in order to have someone else execute some malign code by asking them to cat a prepared file?
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• 2495[23:23:33] <whislock> Janni: A design goal of most modern encryption algorithms is that encrypted data should be indistinguishable from random data. So, conceivably, you could get the same thing from 'cat /dev/urandom'.
• 2496[23:23:34] <jhutchins> Yes.
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• 2498[23:23:59] <Miles8of9> just a question... why there is no Unity window manager package in debian? is it unsecure?
• 2499[23:24:02] <whislock> Janni: You'd have to figure out which plaintext and which key would encrypt to the necessary blob of data to get that to happen.
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• 2501[23:24:19] <mystic> and nerd girls like a fit b/f? i dont inderstand linux tho. be warned
• 2502[23:24:27] <mystic> but i can ring your bell ;)
• 2503[23:24:33] <mystic> any*
• 2504[23:24:36] <whislock> !ops
• 2505[23:24:36] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
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• 2508[23:24:43] <Janni> whislock: My question isn't related to cryptography at all... (so I guess I shouldn't have mentioned it).
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• 2510[23:24:45] <whislock> dpkg: ops mystic spamming
• 2511[23:24:45] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: whislock complains about a problem (see above)
• 2512[23:25:15] <whislock> Janni: Ah. Then theoretically, yes, a prepared file could generate the necessary escape sequences to prepare a malicious string on the shell.
• 2513[23:25:30] <Janni> So how would I print some arbitrary file's content to the terminal without it meddling for instance with colour codes etc. Cat it without interpreting...
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• 2515[23:25:39] <whislock> I wouldn't.
• 2516[23:25:54] <whislock> 'file' to first verify that it's sane to just cat to stdout.
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• 2519[23:26:40] <Janni> Hmm. Would `cat -v` be safe?
• 2520[23:26:50] <mystic> David boreanis
• 2521[23:27:00] <whislock> Janni: Looks like it. Thanks for showing me that, actually.
• 2522[23:27:11] <whislock> I just did 'cat -v /dev/urandom' and it didn't spaz everything out.
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• 2524[23:27:33] <sponix> Miles8of9: Regular Gnome has been taken in favor of Unity by everyone -- even Ubuntu. You should take that hint
• 2525[23:27:45] <jhutchins> whislock: Well, there's no guarantee that an arbitrary random string is going to emulate control characters.
• 2526[23:27:48] <mystic> they are both dung imo
• 2527[23:28:00] <Janni> whislock: Same here. However it doesn't even print Unicode.
• 2528[23:28:06] <whislock> jhutchins: I know, but his question wasn't necessarily related to random strings. Just in general.
• 2529[23:28:14] <whislock> jhutchins: It was phrased misleadingly at first.
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• 2533[23:29:19] <kingsley> Which program or package would you recommend for automating writing a file to a DVD from the command line? Ideally, if the DVD isn't already formatted, I'd prefer it to be automatically formatted, or at least exit with an informative error status. If the DVD is formatted, but there's not enough space on it for the file, it'd be nice if the program exited with a different error status. Plus, I'd like to add the file to the DVD in multi-se
• 2534[23:29:19] <kingsley> ssion mode, so pre-existing data on the DVD isn't lost. If you happen to know of such a convenient and versatile program or package, and you happen to have the time and are so inclined, feel free to enlighten me.
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• 2539[23:29:55] <mystic> heard of blu ray? its this new dvd thing thats much clearer
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• 2541[23:30:12] <mystic> i watched a rap singer concert on it
• 2542[23:30:17] <mystic> it was really clear
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• 2545[23:32:22] <kingsley> mystic: If I understand correctly, thanks for asking if I'd heard of blue ray. I have. But, I happen to have DVDs, intent to write data (not video) and would appreciate user friendly software.
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• 2554[23:37:01] <clairedesu2> Hello! I bought a thin client online, but I was stupid and forgot that I don't own a DVI cable. Is there any way to preseed a debian installation for a mosotly-unknown platform?
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• 2556[23:37:39] <clairedesu2> I was thinking maybe I could modify a live image to auto-boot so i could get SSH to the machine?...
• 2557[23:37:54] <whislock> clairedesu2: replaced-url
• 2558[23:37:58] <whislock> I think that might do what you want.
• 2559[23:38:31] <clairedesu2> would using a VM to go through a debian CLI installation and copying the VM image to the HDD work?
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• 2561[23:41:34] <jhutchins> clairedesu2: The VM probably wouldn't match the hardware very well.
• 2562[23:42:01] <clairedesu2> i've heard with windows you can "generalize" an HDD image and then transplant it to another computer
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