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2[00:01:14] <Lope> SerajewelKS, cool. goodnight
3[00:01:21] <SerajewelKS> Lope: night
4[00:01:38] <Lope> ratrace, SerajewelKS. finished my setup 100% and I'm super stoked! Huge upgrade for me.
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6[00:01:48] <SerajewelKS> Lope: congrats and enjoy!
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9[00:02:51] <Lope> My old server was 16G RAM on dual 1TB rust, no encryption. This new server is 64G RAM, 2x240G SSDs 2x4T HDDs, encryption cache, zil. Etc. So looking forward to using it.
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63[00:29:29] <kadiro> wow after upgrading to buster my script magically works cool
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67[00:31:36] <kadiro> karlpinc, thank you very much
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80[00:39:44] <kadiro> what the meaning of: "The following packages have been kept back:" when doing an apt-get upgrade
81[00:40:09] <wxb> Okay. So ##linux helped be to get the broadcom detected, but I still can't see wifi networks and much less connect to them.
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83[00:40:27] <wxb> nmcli device wifi list is empty
84[00:40:28] <dvs> kadiro, it means that there are packages that need to install new packages.
85[00:40:42] <wxb> nmcli radio shows all enabled.
86[00:40:51] <wxb> Any thoughts?
87[00:40:59] <kadiro> dvs, how do i force install them
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89[00:41:20] <dvs> kadiro, apt-get full-upgrade
90[00:41:22] <somiaj> kadiro: pay attention to upgrade vs dist-upgrade (some packages require removing old packages to upgrade, and apt won't let this)
91[00:41:33] <kadiro> in the end of that list it show this: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 878 not upgraded.
92[00:41:44] <somiaj> kadiro: this shouldn't happen in stable, but if you are running testing/unstable happens way more often (what versino of debian are you running)?
93[00:41:48] <kadiro> ah
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95[00:42:19] <kadiro> I just replaced stretch to buster in the source.list and upgraded
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97[00:42:44] <kadiro> I'm in buster
98[00:42:52] <cinesc> is that how you correctly update the debian version?
99[00:42:57] <dvs> not yet, but soon
100[00:43:20] <cinesc> how do you usually upgrade to a new version?
101[00:43:25] <dvs> cinesc, there are release notes for each major release which outlines what needs to be done.
102[00:43:31] <cinesc> ok
103[00:43:46] <kadiro> cinesc, apt-get update then apt-get upgrade
104[00:44:09] <cinesc> to get from debian 9 to debian 10?
105[00:44:29] <kadiro> that what i did, not sure if i'm correct
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107[00:44:43] <cinesc> Don´t think it works that way
108[00:44:44] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
109[00:45:16] <aaro> kadiro: you're not, read docs first
110[00:45:19] <cinesc> It´s rather how you update to the latest possible of what version you use
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112[00:45:46] <cinesc> Highest I can think of being possible would be debian 9.9 or something like that
113[00:46:31] <kadiro> i think i need to fresh install
114[00:46:51] <cinesc> been thinking about that too
115[00:47:11] <cinesc> might give one computer a reinstall twice
116[00:47:57] <wxb> I think the issue is at wlp2s0. nmcli device wifi list says: wlp20 wifi disconnected --
117[00:48:04] <kadiro> jmcnaught, which section exactly i need to follow from that link
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119[00:48:24] <jmcnaught> kadiro: read the whole release notes is my advice
120[00:48:30] <wxb> tried to follow this too replaced-url
121[00:48:31] <kadiro> oh
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123[00:49:10] <kadiro> I don't think with my little english i can understand the whole thing, thank you anyway
124[00:49:41] <jmcnaught> kadiro: it's available in other languages: replaced-url
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130[00:51:21] <cinesc> apt-get install was functionally similar when you upgrade after using the update variation of the command?
131[00:51:34] <cinesc> to when*
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141[00:58:34] <cinesc> is pcsuggest a reliable source?
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154[01:04:24] <cinesc> might be a little offtopic but who else here is programming .rdb and .rpk files too?
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156[01:04:49] <cinesc> or more like scripting
157[01:05:24] <kadiro> not me
158[01:05:37] <cinesc> then I must be lonely
159[01:05:42] <kadiro> lol
160[01:06:13] <cinesc> wondering if anyone else happens to be familiar with it
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162[01:07:31] <wxb> I'm trying to use replaced-url
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167[01:08:52] <ws2k3> im struggeling with a cp i wanne do. i wanne run something like cp */*/custom_hooks/post-receive */*/hooks/post_receive. but im not entirely sure how i should do this any advice?
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169[01:11:10] <cinesc> is apt-get update a real command?
170[01:11:29] <kadiro> i think so
171[01:13:31] <mutante> yes
172[01:13:49] <mutante> apt-get is older than apt. both are fine to use.
173[01:13:52] <cinesc> If I want to do apt-get install intel-ucode to see if there is something I want to get hold of, should I use apt-get update intel-ucode before I use the first command I mentioned?
174[01:14:25] <mutante> cinesc: that command updates the list of packages, not the packages themselves
175[01:14:38] <kadiro> except the upgrading steps, i can't understand the part said backup things
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178[01:15:29] <Zathras> ws2k3 wildcards (*) are common at the end of cp commands, not at the start of a path
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180[01:15:48] <Zathras> wxb, is the driver loaded?
181[01:16:15] <wxb> Zathras, Yep. Got the networks showing up... can't connect yet...
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184[01:16:42] <cinesc> apt-get update intel-ucode does not work
185[01:16:48] <Zathras> kadiro, basically you want a backup of the list of installed packages (+versions) and their config as well as your private/user data in case of failure
186[01:17:43] <Zathras> wxb, showing up where/how? With what are you attempting to connect? Have you checked logs?
187[01:17:56] <kadiro> Zathras, that include anything inside the /et/apt directory or a specific files?
188[01:18:03] <kadiro> etc*
189[01:18:03] <wxb> Zathras, nmcli
190[01:18:34] <Zathras> kadiro, dpkg -l lists packages + version nrs
191[01:18:48] <Zathras> wxb, outch NetworkManager...
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202[01:19:26] <wxb> Zathras, I don't have a gui yet.
203[01:19:27] <cinesc> I think I developed a bad habit of using ctrl+shift+c
204[01:20:31] <kadiro> Zathras, it gives many packages starting with ii and other few with rc
205[01:20:50] <kadiro> I think ii is for installed one
206[01:20:53] <Zathras> wxb, have you tried iw/iwconfig/iwspy etc?
207[01:21:25] <Zathras> kadiro, ii is properly installed, rc are packages with issues
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211[01:21:47] <kadiro> ah
212[01:22:15] <Zathras> not fully installed, deprecated etc. See docs
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214[01:22:37] <kadiro> in that case i have 6 with rc
215[01:22:45] <Zathras> that is not bad
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217[01:22:53] <cinesc> hmm... using sudo apt-get install intel-ucode gives me E: Unable to locate package intel-ucode
218[01:23:22] <Zathras> sudo? ubuntu?
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222[01:24:00] <cinesc> oh wait I think I wrote something wrong to you
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224[01:24:39] <cinesc> apt-get install intel-ucode as root gives E: Unable to locate package intel-ucode
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233[01:24:44] <Zathras> cinesc, try aptitude to search for packages
234[01:24:57] <wxb> So the issue is now: nmcli device wifi list gives output, but I can't connect to anything with nmcli device connect (network) password (password)
235[01:25:08] <cinesc> instead of apt-get
236[01:25:16] <Zathras> yes
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238[01:25:23] <user_> hi there, i've been trying to make a debian live 32bit bootable pendrive but having no success, is there anyone out there that has managed to do it via the command line ? and can refer me to a webpage that will list all of the steps to complete the task ?
239[01:25:37] <kadiro> wxb, (network) probably is the ssid
240[01:25:50] <Zathras> wxb, without more info it is hard to help. So exact errors and logs help
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242[01:25:55] <cinesc> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "intel-ucode"
243[01:26:03] <cinesc> Unable to apply some actions, aborting
244[01:26:32] <Zathras> cinesc, search for ucode of intel
245[01:26:44] <Zathras> are you sure such a package exists?
246[01:26:56] <wxb> Error. Failure of the activation of the connection IP configuration couldn't be reserve.
247[01:27:04] <cinesc> replaced-url
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249[01:27:20] <cinesc> it´s in there
250[01:27:48] <Zathras> cinesc, that is not a debian repo
251[01:27:50] <oerheks> intel-microcode perhaps
252[01:27:55] <Zathras> yes: replaced-url
253[01:27:58] <cinesc> yup
254[01:28:21] <cinesc> Having a feeling that it solved almost everything
255[01:28:48] <oerheks> no, what makes you think that github gives the latest? debian repo is up2date
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257[01:29:03] <kadiro> hmm only dis-upgrade can force those non updated package to be updated but it need more than one giga space
258[01:29:14] <wxb> Zathras, What logs wouldbe good?
259[01:29:31] <Zathras> wxb, syslog, messages
260[01:29:41] <n-iCe> help, how can I see my andrioid device in debian as external storage
261[01:29:46] <n-iCe> can't manage to do it
262[01:30:04] <Zathras> wxb, maybe there is a verbosity switch as well (I never use nmcli)
263[01:30:40] <wxb> Zathras, Okay. It's a bit of challenge because I have no ethernet, so have to transfer to flash drive between machines... which I don't know how to do from cli
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265[01:31:03] <Zathras> n-iCe, probably as a mtp
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267[01:31:41] <n-iCe> Zathras: yeah, but does not appear in debian
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269[01:31:44] <Zathras> wxb, don't post the full logs, just show relevant info
270[01:31:54] <karlpinc> n-iCe: I've always used adb.
271[01:32:02] <Zathras> n-iCe, "appear" ?
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273[01:32:39] <n-iCe> show
274[01:32:41] <n-iCe> in file manager
275[01:32:43] <Zathras> n-iCe, beware you also have to have the Android device in the correct mode
276[01:32:55] <n-iCe> Zathras: it is in the file transfer mode
277[01:33:00] <n-iCe> replaced-url
278[01:33:08] <karlpinc> n-iCe: adb does requires the android device to be in developer mode.
279[01:33:11] <cinesc> oerheks Because some packages that does what I am looking for is present only in windows updates but ever since I don´t use windows there could be an issue finding those microcode updates I am missing
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281[01:33:17] <n-iCe> I installed gvfs-backends and gmtp
282[01:33:20] <n-iCe> karlpinc: I want gui
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284[01:33:20] <kadiro> you may need to activate usb debug in your phone
285[01:33:27] <n-iCe> kadiro: it is activated
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288[01:34:05] <n-iCe> should be thunar compatible?
289[01:34:12] <n-iCe> i'm in xfce4
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291[01:34:29] <Zathras> n-iCe, check logs to find out if it does not connect or if the fm does not show it. 2 different things
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293[01:34:55] <kadiro> n-iCe, see the difference before pluging it and after with lsusb to make sure the usb cable is data not for charge
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298[01:40:27] <Justin683> What’s the best Debian for an amd a4?
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300[01:40:42] <dvs> ???
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302[01:40:56] <dvs> The latest Debian?
303[01:40:58] <Justin683> Debian distro
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307[01:41:33] <user_> the latest one is buster
308[01:42:11] <Justin683> Right now I’m using ParrotOS which is a Debian based distro.
309[01:42:40] <dvs> Justin683, then you're pretty much gonna get Debian as an answer here.
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317[01:46:58] <kadiro> wish me luck i puched the button
318[01:47:55] <dvs> oh noes!
319[01:48:22] <kadiro> i'm doing the dist-upgrade
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341[01:58:52] <sponix> Anyone else have Chrome lockup everything X after a couple days of it being left open ?
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347[02:00:01] <wxb> Zathras, Alright. So, same issue. nmcli will detect, but not connect to networks.
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349[02:00:19] <wxb> What infos are needed to move forward?
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372[02:12:11] <wxb> Still no wifi. Any experts out there?
373[02:12:41] <wxb> Almost at hour 18.
374[02:12:49] <Mr_Queue> What card?
375[02:12:57] <wxb> broadcom
376[02:13:09] <Mr_Queue> Errors?
377[02:13:11] <wxb> replaced-url
378[02:13:45] <wxb> nmcli will show me the networks but I cant connect to them.
379[02:14:20] <wxb> nmcli device wifi connect (network) password (password) not working
380[02:14:35] <wxb> it hangs.
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382[02:15:55] <Mr_Queue> Been a long time since I needed to mess around with WiFi.. You have the firmware installed right? Well fireware-non-free or whatever?
383[02:15:57] <sponix> wxb: sudo apt install inxi && inxi -Nxx | nc termbin.com 9999
384[02:16:07] <Mr_Queue> Whooooo
385[02:16:09] <wxb> And then gives something like: error: failed to enable connection : (5) the IP configuration could not be reserved (no address available, expired delay, etc.)
386[02:16:14] <Mr_Queue> don't do that.
387[02:16:22] <sponix> wxb: that should spit out a link telling us exactly what your network chipsets are
388[02:17:20] <wxb> sponix, Mr_Queue Broadcom Limited BCM43142 802.11b/g/n [14e4:4365] (rev 01)
389[02:17:22] <Mr_Queue> wxb: Did you simply forget you MAC filtered your network?
390[02:17:37] <wxb> I'm a total noob, so not sure...
391[02:17:40] <wxb> how can I tell?
392[02:17:57] <sponix> wxb: it isn't something you would have done by "accident" -- so we can assume that is a No
393[02:18:07] <wxb> sponix, cool :)
394[02:18:22] <Mr_Queue> On your AP.. Login and see if you are only accepting connections from a list of MAC addresses.
395[02:18:35] <Mr_Queue> I do it that way.
396[02:18:58] <wxb> nmcli device wifi list is saying that I *am* connected to a network...
397[02:19:09] <wxb> But ping gives 100% package loss.
398[02:19:21] <wxb> And then there is that error I just gave you.
399[02:19:30] <sponix> wxb: what address are you attempting to ping ?
400[02:19:37] <wxb> 8.8.8.8.8
401[02:19:39] <Mr_Queue> How did you get the IP? DCHP? Did you do it manually?
402[02:19:51] <sponix> wxb: got an extra 8 there, but I get ya
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404[02:22:50] <wxb> Okay. so ping 8.8.8.8 *is* working, but it's does a few lines of "64 byptes from 8.8.8.8:icmp_seq=21(other other numbers) ttl=53 time=75ms
405[02:23:03] <Mr_Queue> Then you're online.
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407[02:23:22] <Mr_Queue> do the same to 1.1.1.1
408[02:23:44] <wxb> Then 'From (ip address) icmp_seq=numbers Destination Host unreachable.
409[02:23:51] <wxb> Then back to ping.
410[02:23:56] <wxb> results
411[02:24:01] <wxb> Then hangs.
412[02:24:02] <wxb> And hangs
413[02:24:32] <wxb> Whereas on this machine (the healthy one) each seq is n+1
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415[02:24:56] <wxb> When I end the process on the sick machine packet loss= 96%
416[02:24:59] <wxb> What gives?
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419[02:25:35] <wxb> Is the wifi card just ill?
420[02:25:57] <wxb> seq jumped from 20 to 40!
421[02:26:07] <wxb> 82% package loss.
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424[02:26:48] <Mr_Queue> If you ping your GW do you have PL?
425[02:26:59] <wxb> GW? PL?
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427[02:27:08] <Mr_Queue> gateway/packetloss
428[02:27:10] <wxb> sorry, noob
429[02:27:10] <sponix> wxb: GW - Gateway
430[02:27:19] <wxb> how do I do that?
431[02:27:25] <wxb> what is my gateway?
432[02:27:28] <sponix> the gateway would be your router
433[02:27:33] <sponix> 192.168.1.1 for example
434[02:27:34] <Mr_Queue> route -n
435[02:27:42] <Mr_Queue> default gw
436[02:27:53] <wxb> route-n command not found
437[02:28:00] <Mr_Queue> add a space
438[02:28:00] <sponix> wxb: needs a space
439[02:28:23] <wxb> route -n command not found
440[02:28:28] <wxb> I'm in -bash
441[02:28:35] <wxb> #
442[02:28:37] <Mr_Queue> install network-tools
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444[02:28:54] <Mr_Queue> wait... that might be... um.... frustrating.. lol
445[02:29:03] <wxb> Mr_Queue, yep
446[02:29:05] <wxb> lol
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448[02:29:53] <sponix> Mr_Queue: there is a similar chipset with a fix listed by our Linux Mint wireless expert. It isn't exact though, but thinking it _might_ still work replaced-url
449[02:30:11] <wxb> Let's do it!!
450[02:30:33] <wxb> What do I do?
451[02:30:35] <sponix> wxb: what kernel are you on right now 4.19 ?
452[02:31:06] <sponix> why do I ask such questions lol
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454[02:31:27] <wxb> 4.19.0-6-amd64
455[02:32:05] <wxb> So, what should I run?
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457[02:32:43] <wxb> this ?
458[02:32:43] <wxb> sudo apt-get remove bcmwl-kernel-source
459[02:32:43] <wxb> echo "blacklist b43" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/broadcom.conf
460[02:32:43] <wxb> echo "blacklist ssb" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/broadcom.conf
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465[02:35:10] <sponix> Mr_Queue: is onto something
466[02:35:20] <wxb> ooohhhhh
467[02:35:24] <sponix> wxb: do you have a gui on this rig, or just the console/terminal ?
468[02:35:36] <wxb> no gui. minimal install
469[02:35:45] <wxb> firmware iso
470[02:35:57] <sponix> hmm, we get to do it the fun way then.. wait one while I confirm
471[02:37:09] <sponix> wxb: sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.Original
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473[02:37:25] <sponix> wxb: umm, if your user has sudo.. if not just run that as root ;)
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475[02:38:11] <wxb> sponix, Okay. did it.
476[02:38:14] <wxb> no output
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478[02:40:27] <sponix> wxb: nano /etc/apt/sources.list and on the line that says deb replaced-url
479[02:40:54] <sponix> wxb: then save that and run "apt update" again
480[02:41:48] <LtL> use contrib with non-free .. it's important.
481[02:42:08] <sponix> wxb: nano /etc/apt/sources.list and on the line that says deb replaced-url
482[02:42:32] <sponix> LtL: gonna take your word for it, I'm not a native Debian user lol
483[02:42:47] <LtL> sponix: trust me
484[02:42:54] <wxb> lol my only source is cdrom
485[02:43:04] <kadiro> oh
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487[02:43:33] <sponix> wxb: OMG.. I forgot, you will need internet to draw in support for your wireless anyway :P
488[02:43:43] <sponix> wxb: Can you hardware this thing for a bit ?
489[02:44:16] <wxb> hardware this thing?
490[02:44:31] <dvs> sponix, there is no ethernet
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492[02:45:13] <wxb> I mean, in theory I have wifi, it just loses like 95% percent of packages
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494[02:45:57] <sponix> wxb: well add that line to your sources then. And attempt to run apt update ;)
495[02:46:22] <Mr_Queue> You wouldn't be here with access to something with a working network connection so go grab firmware-nonfree from it.
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497[02:46:50] <Mr_Queue> replaced-url
498[02:46:53] <sponix> wxb: packages you need seem to be "broadcom-sta- common/dkms/source" .. If anything you might have to pull then down, USB stick them, and dpkg -i them into the system :)
499[02:47:31] <Mr_Queue> Or whatever it might be..
500[02:48:37] <sponix> Mr_Queue: yeah, that looks like a good one to have also. Not 100% sure it does this one those broadcom packages list his specific wifi chipset as covered :)
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502[02:49:45] <wxb> sponix, missing / at en of /debia/ buster in your line, or unimportant?
503[02:49:53] <Mr_Queue> I bet it's in dmesg... Or force it with "update-initramfs -u" and see what it spits out about "possibly missing firmware XXXXXXXX"
504[02:50:24] <sponix> wxb: what I had it is working on my rig
505[02:50:35] <wxb> sponix, cool
506[02:50:41] <sponix> "way I had it"
507[02:50:46] <Mr_Queue> wxb: run 'update-initramfs -u'
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509[02:51:07] <Mr_Queue> pastebin erros or complaints
510[02:51:13] <wxb> Do I need to add the deb-src code?
511[02:51:16] <wxb> line
512[02:51:18] <sponix> Mr_Queue: I forgot about Debian splitting "non-free" stuff off by default
513[02:51:22] <Mr_Queue> no
514[02:51:30] <Mr_Queue> wxb: ^
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517[02:52:55] <wxb> Well apt-get update is getting shit :)
518[02:52:57] <wxb> this is good
519[02:53:18] <wxb> 17 Mb in 44s. Not bad?
520[02:53:31] <sponix> better than failing completely
521[02:54:38] <wxb> runnin gthat initramfs command
522[02:55:11] <wxb> Done. no errors
523[02:55:37] <wxb> So... should that help things?
524[02:56:10] <sponix> wxb: apt install broadcom-sta-* and reboot
525[02:56:14] <wxb> 72% packet loss
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527[02:57:58] <wxb> You people are great! It's downloading....
528[02:58:22] <wxb> spottiliy, but surely
529[02:58:33] <wxb> 4h left
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531[02:58:59] <sponix> 4 hours lol
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534[02:59:14] <wxb> 16h
535[02:59:21] <wxb> 3 minutes now
536[02:59:29] <wxb> 4 minutes
537[02:59:35] <wxb> lol unstable as hell!
538[02:59:39] <sponix> wxb: that liked I dropped earlier with that echo stuff... If those packages don't solve your issues after the restart.. Then run those few commands a try one more time :)
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541[03:00:19] <Mr_Queue> wxb: uuhhh, should be fine after you get the right firmware.
542[03:00:23] <sponix> wxb: Yeah, without the "non-free" firware blobs for broadcom stuff you are left limping along with whatever some poor dev soul was able to reverse engineer lol
543[03:00:28] <wxb> this one sponix ?
544[03:00:37] <wxb> replaced-url
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548[03:02:35] <sponix> wxb: yeah... That isn't for your exact deal.. but it is close enough I feel it might work out -- if needed
549[03:03:21] <wxb> sponix, cool :)
550[03:04:45] <wxb> oh... error messages.
551[03:05:01] <wxb> cant get to deb.debian.org
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553[03:05:14] <sponix> lies
554[03:05:29] <wxb> ran with --fix-missing to no avail.
555[03:06:07] <wxb> it hung at 77% about
556[03:06:16] <sponix> give it a couple more tries
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559[03:06:47] <sponix> leave the source out this time.. just do apt install broadcom-sta-common broadcom-sta-dkms
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561[03:08:51] <tomreyn> broadcom-sta-common: "This package contains the common files and it should not be installed manually (it will be installed automatically as needed)."
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563[03:09:19] <Haxxa> In terms of running debian for a single use application are thier any optimisation I can make in a VM to improve performance and lower maintenance?
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567[03:10:32] <wxb> sponix, done for just thos two broad-common packages looks like they're instaled now.... Reboot now?
568[03:10:41] <wxb> there were error messages
569[03:10:50] <sponix> wxb: what errors ?
570[03:10:56] <wxb> but I ran the apt install again and it says they'e there
571[03:11:08] <Mr_Queue> then roll the box
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575[03:11:18] <wxb> oh the can reach http.//deb.debian....
576[03:11:28] <wxb> Mr_Queue, roll?
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578[03:11:31] <sponix> I'm hoping that will work without needing build-essential (tools) to build dkms ;)
579[03:11:39] <sponix> wxb: give it a reboot, and report back
580[03:11:45] <n-iCe> hi
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582[03:12:41] <sponix> Mr_Queue: lol... Debian support might prove to be more challenging than Mint ;)
583[03:12:44] <wxb> Oh, apt install broadcom-sta-* when through :)
584[03:13:04] <wxb> oh, no
585[03:13:09] <wxb> 10 not updated....
586[03:13:51] <Mr_Queue> sponix: I know nothing about mint.
587[03:13:52] <wxb> 0 upated, 0 installed, 0 removed, 0 not upated
588[03:14:06] <sponix> wxb: .... just restart the rig and ping -c 4 google.com
589[03:14:17] <wxb> sponix, k
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592[03:14:33] <wxb> sponix, Mint is smoother?
593[03:14:43] <sponix> Mr_Queue: at times I feel that way about Linux in general.. Even after 30 years of tinkering :)
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595[03:15:19] <sponix> wxb: lol.. Mint is "different" ... as Most flavors of Linux are
596[03:15:26] <Mr_Queue> sponix: Started with Debian 5 on a PPC and stuck with it only all these years..
597[03:17:02] <wxb> So, no ping.
598[03:17:11] <wxb> Not connected anymore...
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600[03:18:06] <sponix> wxb: even to 8.8.4.4 ?
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602[03:18:39] <Mr_Queue> Did the interface even come up?
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604[03:18:55] <Mr_Queue> udev rules might have re-ordered.
605[03:19:23] <dvs> I think the ip command was manually entered.
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607[03:19:35] <wxb> Mr_Queue, I hoping that the nmicli command will work again...
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610[03:20:11] <wxb> ooooooooooooo ping 8.8.8.8 is beautiful now only 20% packet loss!!
611[03:20:31] <sponix> wxb: if you can hit that, but not "google.com" then your DNS is broken :)
612[03:20:59] <sponix> try ping -c 4 google.com again
613[03:21:39] <wxb> it worked 50% packet loss
614[03:21:43] <wxb> for that one
615[03:21:52] <wxb> So, problem solved, no??
616[03:21:56] <Mr_Queue> No.
617[03:22:04] <wxb> Mr_Queue, Oh.
618[03:22:09] <sponix> well... that is pretty sub-par still IMHO
619[03:22:12] <Mr_Queue> You have PL.. That is a problem.
620[03:22:15] <wxb> Yep.
621[03:22:20] <wxb> What should I do?
622[03:22:25] <wxb> That other link?
623[03:22:26] <Mr_Queue> It could be hardware.
624[03:23:15] <sponix> wxb: you figure out that router IP before ?
625[03:23:16] <wxb> What problems will this cause other than slowing down the connection?
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627[03:23:25] <wxb> sponix, no
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629[03:23:38] <sponix> wxb: interference / reception
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631[03:24:20] <wxb> what should I run?
632[03:24:56] <dvs> wxb: lsmod | grep mac80211
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634[03:25:34] <wxb> no output
635[03:27:09] <wxb> Hmmm. Should I install the gui now? Or wait?
636[03:27:37] <wxb> I'm trying to get links2 and the time jumps up and down like mad!
637[03:28:07] <sponix> wxb: Is this system going to be using a GUI most of the time anyway ?
638[03:28:20] <wxb> sponix, Yep.
639[03:28:28] <wxb> I want to put on XFCE
640[03:29:03] <wxb> I think I might try to pass through the flash drive or that will take forever (any advice on that??)
641[03:29:27] <sponix> dvs Mr_Queue Is there a Debian ISO he can burn to a USB Stick than has the non-free firmware in there already ?
642[03:29:38] <wxb> sponix, I did that.
643[03:29:42] <wxb> sponix, I have that one.
644[03:29:42] <dvs> !tell sponix about firmware iso
645[03:29:48] <wxb> firmware iso
646[03:29:56] <Mr_Queue> sponix: Yeah, it's like DVD-3 I think.
647[03:30:15] <dvs> Mr_Queue, no
648[03:30:25] <wxb> Wow apt install is super slow.
649[03:31:05] <Mr_Queue> dvs: Was a guess.. I personally would just go hunting for the .deb.
650[03:32:23] <sponix> wxb: hmm, I'm gonna recommend you try something a little non-standard. Whatever OS you have real network access with, pull down the Mint 19.2 XFCE iso, image it to the USB Stick with the tool from etcher.io - Then boot off that and see if your wifi works out of the box without all the packet loss
651[03:33:25] <wxb> I tried with Xubuntu 18 LTS and it didn't even detect wifi as the broadcom package wasn't there.
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653[03:33:44] <wxb> sponix, Still worth it?
654[03:34:04] <wxb> Assume it connects with no PL. What would I do then?
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657[03:34:52] <wxb> sponix, Should I try that link you sent?
658[03:35:12] <dvs> wxb, I would
659[03:35:13] <sponix> wxb: yeah, if you haven't already, try those steps - reboot again, and so forth :)
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662[03:36:08] <sponix> My wife really is great entertainment. Pretty sure I've seen her in 4 outfits so far -- just to head to work
663[03:37:20] <wxb> So there is not bcmwl-kernel-source to remove
664[03:37:27] <wxb> sponix, :)
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667[03:38:13] <sponix> wxb: I'm not surprised by that :)
668[03:38:45] <sponix> wxb: everything he does is geared towards Ubuntu/Mint support... So we are just "winging it" anyway :)
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670[03:39:54] <wxb> okay did all three commands.
671[03:39:57] <wxb> reboot?
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673[03:40:28] <sponix> wxb: sure, and then do whatever dance you normally do to bring networking up -- and ping out again, see if you get better results
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675[03:41:33] <sponix> Mr_Queue: after a couple more hours of trouble shooting, he is finally gonna say "oh by the way, I'm inside a refrigerated truck -- does that matter?" LOL
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677[03:43:32] <wxb> I need a gui. This cli is making me go crazy.
678[03:43:57] <Mr_Queue> sponix: heh..
679[03:43:59] <wxb> It won't connect now.
680[03:44:18] <Mr_Queue> wxb: You're always free to go Windows 10 route.
681[03:44:18] <wxb> secrets were required but non were provided.
682[03:44:32] <wxb> Mr_Queue, ??
683[03:44:52] <wxb> So, undo those last three commands?
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685[03:46:13] <dvs> wxb, evem after tje nmcli command?
686[03:46:21] <wxb> yep
687[03:46:28] <wxb> just hanging
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689[03:46:39] <wxb> and then that error message.
690[03:46:49] <wxb> 19 hours...
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692[03:47:05] <wxb> so, undo?
693[03:47:09] <Mr_Queue> You could have bad hardware.
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695[03:47:27] <wxb> Mr_Queue, True.
696[03:47:32] <dvs> Mr_Queue, I means that he's not using the broadcomp-sta-dkms driver.
697[03:47:35] <wxb> But it just got worse...
698[03:47:38] <jmcnaught> did you try nmtui instead of nmcli?
699[03:47:57] <wxb> but it was working (poorly) before... with nmcli
700[03:48:28] <dvs> wxb, delete the /etc/modprobe.d/broadcom.conf file
701[03:48:40] <wxb> dvs, how?
702[03:49:07] <dvs> wxb, rm /etc/modprobe.d/broadcom.conf
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705[03:49:52] <wxb> done
706[03:49:55] <wxb> reboot?
707[03:49:59] <dvs> yes
708[03:50:15] <Mr_Queue> it surely wouldn't hurt anything.
709[03:51:36] <wxb> hanging...
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711[03:51:47] <wxb> at the nmcli connect command
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713[03:52:03] <wxb> but now ping is back!
714[03:52:13] <wxb> only 22% PL lol
715[03:52:47] <wxb> Now the gui? Can the wifi handle this?
716[03:53:04] <dvs> wxb: apt install task-xfce-desktop
717[03:53:57] <wxb> Oh dear... that is huge!
718[03:54:07] <wxb> Is there no way to go via flash drive?
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720[03:54:40] <dvs> wxb, you can transfer all those packages manually to the flash drive.
721[03:54:51] <wxb> but how do I make sure I have them all?
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723[03:55:23] <dvs> you can't really
724[03:55:25] <wxb> trek00, Gave a good link for that script, but I'v lost it.
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726[03:56:03] <wxb> Hmmmm.
727[03:56:57] <sponix> dvs: can he use the download only feature of apt, to continue to retrieve all the packages for task-xfce-desktop until they are all down successfully and then finally run the install option ?
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730[03:57:18] <wxb> dvs, Here it is :) replaced-url
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732[03:58:14] <dvs> wxb, you still need debian to do that.
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734[03:58:34] <wxb> dvs, Right, on this machine. The working one.
735[03:58:43] <dvs> yes
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737[04:01:21] <wxb> I've cd'd directed to the flash drive, will this slow down that scritp process?
738[04:01:33] <dvs> probably
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743[04:03:01] <wxb> So I guess the conclusion is just: bad hardware now works a bit better?
744[04:03:36] <wxb> Thanks for all your help and time. I don't know what else to do... should I check the PL in windows 10?
745[04:05:09] <sponix> wxb: Sure.. If you want a Live Windows 10 USB Stick to test with burn this image to stick with the tool from etcher.io replaced-url
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747[04:05:27] <wxb> I have Windows 10 already on the system in dual-boot
748[04:05:50] <sponix> wxb: Oh... disregard the live image for testing then
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752[04:09:17] <wxb> A solid 20% loss there...
753[04:09:25] <wxb> for google.com
754[04:09:35] <wxb> So, bad hardware end of story?
755[04:10:26] <dvs> broadcom is the worst WiFi hardware for Linux. They don't want to disclose anything.
756[04:10:35] <Mr_Queue> I'd pull and re-seat the radio.
757[04:10:50] <wxb> dvs, But it's also shit on Windows! lol
758[04:11:00] <wxb> are they a Mac thing?
759[04:11:05] <wxb> 20% loss!
760[04:11:18] <Mr_Queue> I'd pull and re-seat the radio.
761[04:11:35] <wxb> Mr_Queue, The radio??
762[04:11:42] <wxb> like open it open?
763[04:11:51] <Mr_Queue> WiFi..
764[04:12:02] <Mr_Queue> Pull it, and put it back.
765[04:12:12] <wxb> Mr_Queue, Sorry, I don't understand...
766[04:12:13] <Mr_Queue> maybe a couple times..
767[04:12:31] <wxb> oh... that's inside the machine right?
768[04:12:48] <Mr_Queue> Open the case, pull the WiFi card, and put it back in.. Maybe a couple times.
769[04:12:52] <Mr_Queue> Try again.
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771[04:12:56] <wxb> remove battery.
772[04:13:35] <Mr_Queue> Past that, you're trolling the channel or you need to pick another box to start to learn about Debian or Linux on.
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774[04:14:30] <wxb> Mr_Queue, Sorry. Didn't mean to troll. I've got my screw-drivers ready. Thanks for your help.
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780[04:19:33] <sponix> wxb: Is this a laptop ?
781[04:20:02] <wxb> sponix, yep
782[04:20:25] <wxb> sponix, tricky to get open. lol
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787[04:24:32] <kadiro> can i stay on the old kernel or i must use the new one
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789[04:25:05] <kadiro> the old one is 4.9.0-8 , new one is 4.19.0-6
790[04:25:08] <Mr_Queue> kadiro: If your shit works on the old kernel you don't need a new one.
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792[04:25:33] <kadiro> Mr_Queue, why you act so angry
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797[04:29:10] <kadiro> it is just the old shit boot faster that's it ( if that make sense )
798[04:29:55] <sponix> wxb: If you have a few dollars, and an open USB port -> replaced-url
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802[04:30:34] <sponix> wxb: there are all sorts of out of the box Linux compatible wireless network adapters
803[04:31:40] <wxb> sponix, Yeah, I might do that. Cause I couldn't get it open as Mr_Queue had suggested.
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805[04:32:03] <sponix> wxb: replaced-url
806[04:32:04] <wxb> For now I'll do the gui install and see where I get. Thanks for all your help too!
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808[04:32:18] <sponix> wxb: that one even has a 5dbi antenna giving you pretty good range
809[04:32:29] * kadiro know why that angriness come from
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812[04:32:58] <sponix> wxb: $10 USD to avoid the headache of having a flaky network experience -- totally worth it IMHO :)
813[04:33:04] * wxb points a finger in the mirror
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832[04:50:44] <Mr_Queue> GAME!
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838[04:55:52] <wxb> Mr_Queue, What game?
839[04:56:04] <Mr_Queue> World Series...
840[04:56:12] <Mr_Queue> US MLB.
841[04:56:46] <wxb> ooooo. Is your team winning?
842[04:57:24] <Mr_Queue> No, it was the last game of the year.. Baseball is done.
843[04:58:39] <Mr_Queue> But as America's favorite past time....... More people than you probably think were or are at parties watching the series.. Probably why this channel is pretty slow tonight.
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874[05:19:12] <bytehackr_> hello
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880[05:21:55] <Mr_Queue> send your traffic
881[05:22:54] <derlg> Mr_Queue: cout << "here you go: " << /dev/null ;
882[05:23:32] <Mr_Queue> > 2&1 > -
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920[06:06:17] <wxb> Now, with gui, I have more issues. clicking on volume applet does not bring me to volume. Clicking on network indicator nothing... XFCE desktop here. Did I install something wrong?
921[06:06:44] <wxb> I can't logoff via gui either.
922[06:07:45] <wxb> and now the keyboar input is not working. God
923[06:08:03] <wxb> in tty keyboard is back
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926[06:09:15] <kadiro> wxb, try to restart lightdm
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935[06:14:59] <wxb> Hmmm. Reboot seems to have solved things for now.
936[06:15:16] <wxb> dpkg-reconfigure lightdm won't let me choose lightdm over the artica one that is in place.
937[06:15:26] <wxb> that command gives null output
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940[06:17:38] <wxb> I can't change the lightdm settings!
941[06:18:07] <wxb> even with lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings
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965[06:30:38] <wxb> So, how can set lightdm as the default?
966[06:31:07] <at0m> wxb: dpkg-reconfigure lightdm or the other, then select lightdm?
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969[06:31:19] <wxb> at0m, didn't work
970[06:31:25] <wxb> null output
971[06:32:08] <at0m> dpkg-reconfigure debconf changes the important level that installations bug you with
972[06:32:14] <at0m> *importance
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976[06:33:44] <at0m> <wxb> dpkg-reconfigure lightdm won't let me choose lightdm <- oh, sorry missed that. /me splashes coffee in face
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982[06:37:08] <wxb> It's using some Atrica-greeter wallpaper, yet atrica-greeter is not installed.
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984[06:37:51] <at0m> probably via /etc/lightdm/* ?
985[06:38:13] <at0m> also check /etc/default/ligghtdm
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989[06:38:58] <warsoul> can change lightdm wallpaper?
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993[06:40:48] <diogenes_> wxb, that's plymouth, not lightdm.
994[06:41:15] <wxb> plymouth is not installed.
995[06:44:16] <wxb> So I found a certain 90-artica-greeter.conf
996[06:44:24] <wxb> Can I just comment all lines out in that?
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1006[06:56:34] <wxb> I still can't figure out why I cant just get plain lightdm... what is conflicting?
1007[06:57:15] <wxb> oh. We're good ...
1008[06:57:37] <wxb> no... what is this greeter?
1009[06:57:39] <wxb> so odd
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1012[06:58:43] <wxb> It is not following the settings I make in lightdm.
1013[06:59:06] <wxb> How can tell if there something else that is moving in on lightdm?
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1021[07:09:36] <tugb0at> mornin'.
1022[07:10:17] <wxb> I know what it is! It looks just like the old Unity login right down to that little drum sound. How can I get away from this to a classic lightdm setup?
1023[07:12:38] <wxb> And why are there litterally 20 sub networks for the wifi I connected to?
1024[07:13:23] <tugb0at> @wxb - because neighbors exist :(
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1027[07:15:27] <wxb> tugb0at, No, it's for the same network.
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1038[07:22:06] <tugb0at> @wxb oh...yeah that is extra strange then.
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1049[07:40:08] <uio1> I select lock screen and now it blinks cursor on black screen then to line prompt _ in upper left-hand corner
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1053[07:40:29] <wxb> I don't get it...
1054[07:40:39] <wxb> I select lock screen and now it blinks cursor on black screen then to line prompt _ in upper left-hand corner
1055[07:41:18] <wxb> I have to reboot via tty
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1059[07:44:35] <GuiltySpark343> Does apt have a setting of postponing reinstallation of packages that you personally built?
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1061[07:45:38] <GuiltySpark343> for postponing*
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1064[07:46:38] <GuiltySpark343> I know of "hold", but is there a better alternative?
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1075[07:55:07] <wxb> Still can't this dam greeter to work.
1076[07:55:14] <wxb> Any ideas out there?
1077[07:55:56] <wxb> lightdm is totally ignored.
1078[07:56:02] <kapalua> narodu, chto kislorodu
1079[07:56:16] <wxb> And I can't figure out how to override it!
1080[07:56:54] <wskyx> dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
1081[07:57:00] <wskyx> dpkg*
1082[07:57:20] <wskyx> then relog
1083[07:57:23] <wxb> wskyx, That gives null return.
1084[07:57:24] <wskyx> thats it
1085[07:57:41] <wskyx> so you have something borked right there
1086[07:57:51] <wxb> wskyx, Fresh install.
1087[07:58:00] <wskyx> it ahould bring up a tui kenu
1088[07:58:07] <wskyx> should*
1089[07:58:13] <wskyx> menu*
1090[07:58:32] <wxb> no menu
1091[07:58:36] <wskyx> so dpkg-reconfigure gdm3
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1093[07:58:55] <wskyx> and pick lightdm there
1094[07:58:56] <wxb> gdm3 not installed
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1096[07:59:11] <wxb> its a unity like greeter...
1097[07:59:12] <wskyx> so what login manager you got
1098[07:59:27] <wskyx> so its gdm
1099[07:59:30] <wxb> I don't know...
1100[08:00:15] <wskyx> find out what it is
1101[08:00:22] <wxb> wskyx, Sorry, but how?
1102[08:00:35] <GuiltySpark343> wxb: what does "systemctl status lightdm.service" say?
1103[08:00:39] <wskyx> what de you installed?
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1107[08:01:46] <wxb> GuiltySpark343, It says it's starting it when I run that...
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1109[08:02:09] <wxb> wskyx, firmware iso. then XFCE
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1111[08:03:42] <wxb> artica-greeter I think
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1113[08:04:15] <GuiltySpark343> wxb: check the logs in /var/log/lightdm/
1114[08:04:28] <wskyx> systemctl restart lightsm
1115[08:04:40] <wskyx> itll restart your eession
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1118[08:04:54] <wskyx> sorry for all the typos
1119[08:05:06] <wskyx> im using a phone ssh client
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1122[08:06:47] <indoorcat> hey
1123[08:07:07] <indoorcat> anyone around who can help me?
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1126[08:07:56] <GuiltySpark343> indoorcat: ask your question
1127[08:07:56] <indoorcat> hello?
1128[08:08:11] <indoorcat> i have the driver for my printer
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1132[08:08:30] <indoorcat> but unbuntu printer set up doesn't work
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1134[08:09:08] <GuiltySpark343> indoorcat: umm... this is #debian. Go ask #ubuntu
1135[08:09:15] <indoorcat> i installed the printer driver by extracting and installing using the install.sh in terminal
1136[08:09:21] <indoorcat> but that didn't help
1137[08:09:31] <indoorcat> my printer won't work yet
1138[08:09:48] <indoorcat> i'm a newb
1139[08:09:57] <indoorcat> using unbuntu 19.04
1140[08:10:02] <wxb> Okay. So I can control the greeter with this:
1141[08:10:13] <kopper> indoorcat: What GuiltySpark343 said
1142[08:10:15] <indoorcat> and deleted my windows dual boot by accident
1143[08:10:21] <indoorcat> so i need the printer to work
1144[08:10:46] <kopper> indoorcat: I doubt you get help on #debian to help you install some random internet driver on Ubuntu
1145[08:10:59] <indoorcat> ok
1146[08:11:35] <indoorcat> there's nobody in the unbuntu channel
1147[08:12:11] <wxb> ping
1148[08:12:19] <wxb> /etc/lightdm/ligthdm.conf.d/lightdm-autologin-greeter.conf I put this line greeter-session=artica-greeter (well it was already ther, but removing it gives a different, non lightdm greeter)
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1151[08:13:27] <indoorcat> can I get an invite to the linux channel?
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1153[08:13:58] <wxb> if I put greeter-session=lightdm-greeter, then upon lock I get a black screen.
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1157[08:15:47] <tomreyn> indoorcat: the #ubuntu (not #uNbuntu) channel is all but empty, but you may need to be registered to join it. the same goes for ##linux (not #linux)
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1159[08:16:43] <indoorcat> how do you register?
1160[08:17:00] <indoorcat> is there a link you could throw at me?
1161[08:17:55] <tomreyn> replaced-url
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1163[08:21:19] <indoorcat> msg NickServ REGISTER Lightyear5# eyetooth717@protonmail.com
1164[08:21:33] <indoorcat> crap
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1166[08:21:38] <indoorcat> sorry
1167[08:21:41] <wskyx> you just gave us your password
1168[08:21:46] <indoorcat> oops
1169[08:21:55] <wxb> quick quick hack!!
1170[08:21:56] <wskyx> use a different one now
1171[08:21:59] <wxb> jk
1172[08:22:11] <indoorcat> do I do it on the freenode window?
1173[08:22:13] <kapalua> LOL
1174[08:22:37] <wskyx> i hope you dont use same one for your mail
1175[08:22:47] <wxb> wskyx, quick quick! hack!!
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1177[08:22:50] <wxb> jk
1178[08:23:02] <wskyx> nah im on a phone
1179[08:23:06] <wskyx> cba
1180[08:23:08] <wxb> ow
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1182[08:23:57] <wxb> locking now just gives me a lit black screen...
1183[08:24:08] <wxb> This is riduclous. I've been at this for hours.
1184[08:24:27] <wxb> How do I get back in, I see nothing?
1185[08:25:03] <wxb> Yep. It's right froze up.
1186[08:25:06] <tomreyn> wxb: i recommend getting some sleep, you've been up for at least 24 hours. at least to me that's not helpful at staying focused.
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1188[08:25:32] <wxb> tomreyn, lol this is the last thing and them I'm done :)
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1191[08:26:07] <wskyx> /7
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1193[08:26:25] <wxb> root via tty
1194[08:26:35] <wxb> reboot after
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1197[08:27:25] <at0m> indoorcat: as a rule of thumb, don't register or identify in public windows. if your client doesn't have a status window or similar, why not /msg nickserv help to open a window to nickserv and do it there
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1200[08:28:16] <at0m> too late now, but lessons be learned =)
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1203[08:29:25] <wxb> How can I move forward on this last thing?
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1205[08:31:08] <wxb> Should I just unintall and reinstall lightdm?
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1207[08:32:38] <wxb> I did apt-get purge lightdm-gtk-greeter and the config files are still there.
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1211[08:33:31] <wxb> how is that possible?
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1213[08:33:45] <wxb> I did purge on lightdm too and they're still there.
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1215[08:34:42] <at0m> wxb: they auto-remove after a good night's sleep
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1221[08:36:43] <indoorcat> how do I log into my registerd name?
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1224[08:39:20] <wxb> indoorcat, /msg nickserv help identify
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1227[08:40:13] <melpy> msg nickserv help identify 4722006175461272 07/2022 387 ssn 602-10-6879 James Mathew dob 11/23/1991
1228[08:40:22] <melpy> crap, sorry
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1230[08:41:31] <wskyx> lol
1231[08:41:33] <wxb> So did the purge, auto-remove and install, now lock screen does nothing at all.
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1236[08:48:04] <indoorcat> sorry to say this but it is not logging me in
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1240[08:51:54] <wxb> So clearly all things lightdm on my machine have an issue. config files are not being followed, now I can't even lock my screen. How can sort this out?
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1243[08:54:27] <wxb> Okay. So I purged all that again. Now disconnect gives a blinking cursor i nthe upper left corner. So lightdm was being used... just theming was not being followed I guess.
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1259[08:59:52] <wxb> Cheers
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1264[09:05:00] <noqnio1> Good morning or whatever it is in your timezone.
1265[09:05:00] <noqnio1> How can I see in a nice way the conflicting dependencies which want to remove packages in dist-upgrade?
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1275[09:09:11] <GuiltySpark343> When I use dpkg-buildpackage, how can I disable the creation of dbgsym?
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1279[09:10:50] <HeadlessHorseman> DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=noautodbgsym
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1286[09:14:12] <GuiltySpark343> HeadlessHorseman: thanks
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1289[09:15:48] <HeadlessHorseman> You're welcome, GuiltySpark343!
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1295[09:19:34] <GuiltySpark343> HeadlessHorseman: where would I find a complete list of options? The man is incomplete on dpkg-buildflags
1296[09:19:57] <HeadlessHorseman> GuiltySpark343: For that *specific* option you want to look at dh_strip.
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1299[09:20:42] <GuiltySpark343> HeadlessHorseman: oh, great. tyvm.
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1303[09:22:57] <GuiltySpark343> HeadlessHorseman: btw, know of an easy way to keep the customly-built packages from being upgraded and also notify you when their version is bumped?
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1306[09:24:48] <HeadlessHorseman> GuiltySpark343: apt-forktracer to find them. Do you have your own personal repo or just apt install ./foo.deb? You can sign up for the package on tracker.d.o. If you have a repo, I have a python script to check the repo against the archive and warn on newer versions (also I recommend dose3 to check installability.)
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1308[09:25:42] <HeadlessHorseman> You *could* hold packages, but I don't recommend it.
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1315[09:27:10] <GuiltySpark343> HeadlessHorseman: that sound contrived :(
1316[09:27:38] <GuiltySpark343> HeadlessHorseman: but thanks for the info :)
1317[09:27:39] <HeadlessHorseman> GuiltySpark343: My usecase is likely different from yours.
1318[09:27:50] <GuiltySpark343> sounds*
1319[09:28:23] <GuiltySpark343> HeadlessHorseman: I just want to rebuild certain packages with -march=native and other optimizations, that's all
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1323[09:29:39] <HeadlessHorseman> I use mini-dinstall to sign and serve my packages, it's pretty simple. :3
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1325[09:30:37] <GuiltySpark343> I shouldn't have to code stuff :(
1326[09:30:57] <GuiltySpark343> Didn't have to go through these many hoops on archlinux...
1327[09:32:03] <HeadlessHorseman> I'm not really saying you do, I'm mentioning how I did it because it's what I know.
1328[09:32:23] <wskyx> /7
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1413[10:43:25] <bigterd> any mdadm gurus? something bad happened....
1414[10:44:36] <bigterd> a drive 2nd drive dropped out during a rebuild, i think it was controller issue, filesystem was not mounted during rebuild. mdadm --examine shows all drives clean, but i can't mount the file system
1415[10:45:00] <bigterd> i rebooted, i have all devices in the array again.
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1417[10:46:01] <bigterd> nothing is mounted. nothing has been written to file system.
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1420[10:47:26] <bigterd> what's weird is mdadm --detail /dev/md1 doesn't show alot of imporant infomration anymore of the array
1421[10:47:42] <bigterd> i don't dare go any further without 2nd input/opinion
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1423[10:48:33] <ratrace> bigterd: what was the reason for dropping? it's all in the logs
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1429[10:51:15] <bigterd> ratrace: persisent from rebooting?
1430[10:51:44] <ratrace> bigterd: it should be in /var/log/syslog if you don't have persistent journal
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1433[10:52:30] <ratrace> you should have both mdadm complain and dmesg/kern.log suggesting which IO failure it was
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1437[10:54:01] <bigterd> alot of drives, including ones not in the array, have prefailing smart usage warnings from smartd
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1439[10:54:26] <ratrace> bigterd: so what's the actual question you're having here?
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1441[10:55:15] <bigterd> i just checked smartctl on all drives in the array, and all seems good.
1442[10:55:42] <bigterd> i failed a drive, removed it, added another, rebuild started lastnight
1443[10:55:51] <ratrace> S.M.A.R.T is known to have false negatives, so I wouldn't trust that "all is clear" statement from it, if you see indication that something's wrong
1444[10:56:04] <bigterd> i woke up to a failed clean array
1445[10:56:18] <bigterd> another one dropped out during rebuild.
1446[10:56:47] <bigterd> the filesystem on array was never mounted, before, during, and after the 2nd drive drop out.
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1448[10:56:52] <bigterd> how F'ed am i?
1449[10:57:27] <ratrace> no idea until you pastebin the relevant log entries (and smartctl -a for failed drivers, just in case)
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1451[10:57:46] <bigterd> shit, i so need to leave for work. and i so need help with this.
1452[10:57:47] <Haohmaru> bruh, how do i zip up the stuff in a folder?
1453[10:57:52] <Haohmaru> via command line
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1455[10:58:57] <ratrace> bigterd: well it's either a detail pastebin or I pull out my crystall ball :)
1456[10:59:08] <bigterd> hold oup
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1459[11:00:14] <danaleight> hi
1460[11:00:27] <danaleight> how are you
1461[11:00:40] <bigterd> replaced-url
1462[11:01:23] <bigterd> looks like flaky cable maybe. they're on a super micro 8port pci8x card
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1464[11:02:09] <bigterd> there's no reallocationg or pending sectors of any of the drives involved.
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1467[11:03:43] <ratrace> bigterd: there's definitely ata command failures logged
1468[11:03:58] <bigterd> i'm so scared to continue i'm thinking of buying 5 more drives, and cloning them with ddrescue, then havint' a 2nd set to assemble. i really don't know what to do next. --detail on the drives shows them clean and in raid5 stsate, and theres one shows a lagging timestamp
1469[11:04:19] <bigterd> failed ata command is drive failure or flakey cable/hardware?
1470[11:04:50] <ratrace> could be anything
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1472[11:04:59] <ratrace> bigterd: also, zfs-fuse? wth! :)
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1474[11:05:32] <bigterd> it's a long story
1475[11:05:46] <bigterd> :/
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1478[11:06:04] <bigterd> i gave zfs a pause. reason i decided to fail the questionable drive and continue with mdadm
1479[11:06:07] <bigterd> which backfired
1480[11:06:15] <bigterd> as i took a drive from my zfs experiment to rebuild with. haha
1481[11:06:58] <ratrace> bigterd: advantage zfs (but not fuse!)... if there's data corruption caused by the driver failures, you wouldn't know without ZFS until it's too late and not as obvious
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1483[11:07:38] <bigterd> i understand.
1484[11:07:43] <ratrace> bigterd: anyway, dunno what to recommend you here, what 2nd opinion to give. I use ZFS for that purpose precisely, mdamd's finnicky behavior under failuer and total lack of data corruption detection and healing
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1487[11:08:48] <bigterd> cat /proc/mdstat shows the drives together as a raid0 array, but not up and running. yet --detail on the drives shows them as clean state raid5 devices. so wtf? should i just scan and assemble the system again?
1488[11:09:15] <ratrace> burrows: uhh can you pastebin those two?
1489[11:09:15] <bigterd> but, hold on here
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1497[11:12:12] <bigterd> replaced-url
1498[11:12:41] <bigterd> mdadm drive detail. i don't quite understand it. how can they be missing if they're with known good metadata?
1499[11:12:48] <ratrace> and mdstat?
1500[11:13:47] <bigterd> replaced-url
1501[11:14:22] <bigterd> something weird happened during the rebuild, i don't know if its safe to continue
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1504[11:15:51] <ratrace> bigterd: I don't understand, md detail says raid0 and devices individually state raid5. it's supposed to be raid5, right? did you mix and match drives from different raid levels without zeroing superblocks?
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1506[11:18:22] <bigterd> no i did not
1507[11:18:31] <bigterd> that's what's blowing myh mind too
1508[11:18:52] <bigterd> i added a drive that was used, but nothing raid related, and i haven't done any other levels ever with these drives
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1510[11:19:20] <bigterd> suppoosed to be raid5. yes. i was rebuilding nicely lastnight around 900Mb/sec. i'm pissed!
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1512[11:19:53] <ratrace> bigterd: huh... sounds like something happening to mdadm..... replaced-url
1513[11:20:17] <ratrace> bigterd: dunno what to tell you. I can only chuckle nervously and pat the ZFS pools I use :)
1514[11:20:46] <bigterd> yeah. i was rebuilding my rread only array, because of a failing drive, so i can make room and remake my ZFS pool (not fuse)
1515[11:20:52] <bigterd> did ashift=0 by accident
1516[11:21:10] <ratrace> lol.... anyway look at that superuser post and see if fixing mdadm.conf does it for you too
1517[11:21:27] <bigterd> su post? where?
1518[11:21:32] <bigterd> oh nm'
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1520[11:22:14] <bigterd> oh shit. thanks for the help. that's a read for later. off to work. wish me luck, at work and after :/
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1565[12:01:44] <wrksx> I cannot really figure out the sudoers syntax, specially one part. In this setting I want to allow a specific user to use the indexer command as 'sphinxsearch':
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1567[12:01:47] <wrksx> <unsername> ALL = (sphinxsearch) NOPASSWD:/usr/bin/indexer
1568[12:02:06] <wrksx> It works, I think I understand most of it, but the ALL.
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1570[12:02:10] <wrksx> What does it stand for?
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1585[12:08:06] <wrksx> Also, would it be possible somehow to allow that user to spimply execute it without having to type sudo -u, but as the sphinxsearch that user?
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1589[12:08:50] <wskyx> wrksx: thanks for trying to steal my identity
1590[12:08:59] <wskyx> is this even legal on freenode?
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1594[12:09:12] <wskyx> !ops
1595[12:09:12] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
1596[12:09:31] <wskyx> dpkg: ops identity clone
1597[12:09:32] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: wskyx complains about a problem (see above)
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1600[12:10:49] <abrotman> You probably should talk to network staff .. since this only controls this channel
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1604[12:11:13] <wrksx> wskyx: Damn never saw you around =) for one second I was like wtf happened to my nickname
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1606[12:12:05] <wrksx> wskyx: I hope you're not beeing serious here
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1608[12:14:57] <ayekat> doesn't look like stealing an identity to me... I mean, one pronounces as "works" and the other as "whisky"
1609[12:15:03] <hyperanalysis> haha what?
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1611[12:15:33] <ayekat> is rather ridiculous IMHO
1612[12:16:15] <annadane> learn how to get along or i'm taking the toys away from both of you!
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1615[12:16:43] <wrksx> haha
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1621[12:18:14] <ayekat> wrksx: as for your original problem, can't you just create a symlink somewhere within that user's PATH?
1622[12:18:31] <ayekat> i.e. /usr/bin/sphinxsearch -> indexer
1623[12:18:36] <wrksx> ayekat: I could totally do it I believe.
1624[12:19:01] <wrksx> But it need to run under a specific user or group
1625[12:19:14] <ayekat> I see
1626[12:19:18] <wrksx> It's modifying files owned by sphinxindexer:sphinxindexer
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1628[12:19:59] <wrksx> So if the symlink can help assume sphinxsearch's identity...
1629[12:20:12] <wrksx> Is that what setuid & co are for?
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1636[12:25:09] <petn-randall> wskyx: Please don't poke the ops as a joke, we have better things to do.
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1638[12:25:21] <wskyx> that was not a joke at all
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1648[12:27:15] <Kats99> vmware doesnt open for me when i click on the icon in the systems tab
1649[12:27:27] <Kats99> it says Failed to execute command "@@BINARY@@ %u".
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1651[12:28:07] <ayekat> Kats99: how did you install VMWare?
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1653[12:28:25] <Kats99> from the website using the bundle file
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1655[12:28:45] <ayekat> that looks like the desktop file was copied into the system directly from the sources, rather than processed (@@BINARY@@ is probably meant to be replaced by /usr/bin/... there)
1656[12:28:48] <Kats99> gave it execute perms and ran it with ./ as sudo
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1659[12:29:00] <jomofcw> Hello
1660[12:29:25] <Kats99> but it opens in the desktop folder
1661[12:29:30] <Kats99> no where else
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1663[12:30:05] <jomofcw> I want to change the right "drwxr-xr-x" to this one "drwsr-sr-x". How can I achieve this, please ? It seems that they have the same CHMOD (755).
1664[12:30:27] <ayekat> jomofcw: the s there are for setuid and setgid, respectively - but what are you trying to do?
1665[12:30:54] <ayekat> (note that despite similar names, they are rather different things)
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1667[12:32:20] <jomofcw> ayekat hello ! I was trying to solve whart appears as an access problem, but in fact it was something else... so fixed ! I may seriously learn about those setuid and setgid :s.
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1669[12:32:32] <Kats99> so ayekat..it opens in desktop but not in the settings tab..what can i do to make it open in the settings tab too
1670[12:32:39] <ayekat> ah wait, setgid is similar to setuid indeed - I mixed it up with the sticky bit
1671[12:33:08] <ayekat> Kats99: I'm afraid I don't know what you mean with "settings tab"
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1673[12:33:30] <Kats99> i mean the systems tab in xfce
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1675[12:35:14] <ayekat> Kats99: ok, and what do you mean with "it opens in the desktop folder"?
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1678[12:37:25] <Kats99> i copied the vmvare.desktop file to desktop
1679[12:37:33] <Kats99> it opens there
1680[12:38:07] <ayekat> Kats99: so the question is probably, does the entry in the XFCE menu use the same .desktop file, or does it use a different one
1681[12:38:14] <Kats99> same
1682[12:38:21] <ayekat> Kats99: please paste the content of the .desktop file that you've got on your desktop
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1684[12:38:48] <Kats99> how can i paste the file here? wdym
1685[12:38:56] <ayekat> !paste
1686[12:38:56] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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1688[12:39:36] <Kats99> what should i paste?
1689[12:39:55] <ayekat> Kats99: the content of the .desktop file that's in your Desktop directory
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1692[12:42:32] <Kats99> replaced-url
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1694[12:43:48] <ayekat> hmmm... I'm not familiar enough with the .desktop file format (i.e. if the $ there is correct), but it looks fine to me otherwise
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1696[12:44:04] <ayekat> Kats99: are you sure that the XFCE menu entry is using the same .desktop file?
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1699[12:44:43] <Kats99> how do i check it?
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1702[12:46:33] <ayekat> Kats99: I guess it's searching in the standard locations, so... /usr/share/applications/, ~/.local/share/applications/, ...
1703[12:46:53] <ayekat> Kats99: check if there is a vmware.desktop file in any of those directories
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1705[12:47:34] <Kats99> i have a vmware-player.desktop in /usr/share/applications
1706[12:47:42] <ayekat> Kats99: what's its content?
1707[12:47:57] <ayekat> (please paste that, too)
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1710[12:48:47] <Kats99> replaced-url
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1720[12:53:21] <Kats99> does this have anything to do with the fact i installed it as root instead of sudo
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1722[12:53:53] <ayekat> not really
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1724[12:54:11] <Kats99> ill reinstall and try again
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1726[12:54:18] <Kats99> even tho i did it 10 times
1727[12:54:48] <ayekat> Kats99: I suspect that the XFCE menu entry actually doesn't use the /usr/share/applications/vmware-player.desktop, but a .desktop file that's in the sources that you downloaded
1728[12:55:31] <ayekat> so I guess it might actually be installed correctly
1729[12:55:39] <ayekat> it's more of XFCE not using the right .desktop file
1730[12:55:54] <Kats99> then how do i change it to open it in the systems tab?
1731[12:56:56] <ayekat> I'm not familiar with XFCE :-/ (all I can find online suggests that it should automatically list everything under /usr/share/applications and ~/.local/share/applications
1732[12:57:08] <Kats99> hmm ok thank you
1733[12:57:59] <ayekat> so it's rather weird that it would use something else (which appears to be the case, though - @@BINARY@@ is supposed to be replaced upon installing the .desktop file to the system)
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1745[13:05:54] <MonRa> Hi, i have an unmet dependecies problem installing woeusb, can you help me? It says woeusb-build-deps : Depends: libwxgtk2.8-dev but it is not installable or libwxgtk3.0-dev but it is not going to be installed
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1751[13:09:11] <jelly> MonRa: which debian release are you using?
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1756[13:10:15] <jelly> MonRa: does "apt-get install libwxgtk3.0-dev" work on its own?
1757[13:10:19] <MonRa> jelly:Bullseye
1758[13:10:27] <jelly> !debian-next
1759[13:10:27] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1760[13:10:39] <MonRa> lmao sry then
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1763[13:11:17] <jelly> it's kind of expected for things to be broken in testing, have fun reporting and fixing!
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1767[13:12:28] <HeadlessHorseman> jelly: It won't work, gtk2 wxgtk was removed, everything was transitioned to gtk3.
1768[13:12:46] <HeadlessHorseman> libwxgtk3.0-gtk3-dev
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1772[13:13:41] <MonRa> alright next question is, I have a FAT usb i wanna pass a 5GB file on from debian to a windows machine but it says the file is too big, any hints?
1773[13:13:49] <MonRa> HeadlessHorseman: Thanks i'll try that
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1776[13:14:06] <jelly> MonRa: either split the file, or use a more capable filesystem tipe
1777[13:14:29] <jelly> /usr/bin/split
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1781[13:14:55] <jelly> and xcopy /s xaa+xab+xac origfilename on windows to join it back
1782[13:15:07] <jelly> (if I remember correctly)
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1785[13:16:22] <darsie> I upgraded to buster and there's firefox-esr, not firefox. Does that mean buster doesn't have a recent firefox version?
1786[13:16:36] <MonRa> jelly: Thanks alot!
1787[13:16:58] <jelly> darsie: that is correct, Debianstable tracks Firefox ESR branch, not the Firefox Release branch
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1789[13:17:28] <darsie> thx
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1793[13:19:59] <jelly> ,v firefox-esr
1794[13:20:00] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch: 60.7.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 60.8.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 60.8.0esr-1; jessie-security: 60.9.0esr-1~deb8u2; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 60.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster-proposed-updates: 68.2.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 68.2.0esr-1~deb10u1;
1795[13:20:01] <judd> sid: 68.2.0esr-1
1796[13:20:35] <jelly> darsie: 68.2 isn't a much lower number than 70 right now
1797[13:20:49] <darsie> ok
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1799[13:20:54] <jelly> but it's going to be 68.x for the next 9-12 months.
1800[13:21:24] <torchinz> how can one go about system partition encryption on debian using veracrypt, without destroying data? I do remember that the windows version of veracrypt has such a provision
1801[13:21:29] <darsie> I guess I could get recent ff by some sources-list fiddling or backporting, right?
1802[13:21:31] <annadane> darsie, there's also nothing stopping you from using the latest firefox from mozilla, it's just not packaged in stable
1803[13:21:38] <annadane> wiki.debian.org/Firefox
1804[13:21:48] <annadane> personally i just have it saved to my home and it autoupdates
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1809[13:26:51] <jelly> darsie: no extra repos for firefox right now
1810[13:27:01] <darsie> ok
1811[13:27:15] <jelly> annadane: latest firefox from mozilla is not packaged anywhere in debian
1812[13:27:26] <jelly> ,v firefox
1813[13:27:27] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- sid: 70.0-1
1814[13:27:45] <jelly> ok, I'm wrong about that
1815[13:28:25] <dvs> tsk tsk tsk
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1819[13:29:50] <HeadlessHorseman> It won't be in backports nor is it in fasttrack though.
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1823[13:30:28] <annadane> chromium in stable being like 4 versions behind is a bit weird :P
1824[13:30:45] <annadane> take it as a sign from god and just use firefox instead
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1826[13:31:29] <annadane> to be fair i'm not sure how chromium does releases
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1839[13:46:54] <ratrace> annadane: read somehwere on the mailing lists or reddit the other day that the chromium maintainers are getting sick of it
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1842[13:47:05] <rander2> hello
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1846[13:47:15] <ratrace> oh I think it was in context of ubuntu flippin table on it too, and switching it to a snap
1847[13:47:22] <annadane> sick of chromium itself? lol
1848[13:47:29] <ratrace> of packaging it
1849[13:47:34] <annadane> regardless, if google is removing support for adblocking... that's a tough one
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1851[13:47:44] <ratrace> dependency hell in trying to support older toolchain
1852[13:47:58] <ratrace> :%s/to support/to be supported by/
1853[13:48:26] <ratrace> at any rate there's a snap of chromium available in debian as well, fwiw.
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1861[13:51:12] <rander2> I have a nvidia video card, and hdmi don't go
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1887[14:08:53] <wb12> hello, everyone
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1901[14:18:03] <wb12> I am an MX-18.3 user and I am trying to learn how to partition and label a hard drive to use as UEFI/GPT partition scheme. I believe, from what I've read, that I need 4 partitions. P-1:unformattted,(around 100MB) P-2:Fat32,(around 250MB), P-3:Ext4 (/ (root)), and optionally P-5: Ext4 (/home). But using gparted I don"t know what flags to give to the unformatted partition or the fat32 partition. Can anyone help?
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1911[14:21:25] <diogenes_> wb12, /j ##MX-Linux
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1915[14:23:48] <wb12> yes
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1921[14:27:45] <wb12> based on debian
1922[14:27:59] <greycat> !based on debian
1923[14:27:59] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
1924[14:29:18] <wb12> Is there an MX Linux channel? I am using Hexchat.
1925[14:29:37] <greycat> You were told the name of the channel already. ##mx-linux
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1927[14:30:50] <wb12> Thank you! I didn't realize that's what I was being told.(I'm a newbie.)
1928[14:30:58] <wb12> bye all
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1935[14:34:48] <rander2> avidemux has been removed from repository ?
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1938[14:36:26] <jelly> ,v avidemux
1939[14:36:27] <judd> Package: avidemux on amd64 -- stretch-multimedia: 1:2.6.20-dmo3+deb9u1; buster-multimedia: 1:2.7.4-dmo0+deb10u1; bullseye-multimedia: 1:2.7.4-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 1:2.7.4-dmo3
1940[14:37:03] <rander2> on my debian 9.11 dont exist
1941[14:37:11] <jelly> apparently it hasn't been part of Debian recently
1942[14:37:20] <jelly> !dmm
1943[14:37:20] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
1944[14:37:43] <jelly> you can get it from there ^ apparently
1945[14:38:06] <rander2> thx
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1951[14:41:50] <rander2> public key is not available for : deb replaced-url
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1967[14:47:23] <greycat> The instructions on replaced-url
1968[14:47:56] <greycat> They are ABOVE the first red box. If you only looked at what is inside the red box, you skipped the instructions.
1969[14:48:08] <greycat> This web site was not designed with user friendliness in mind, clearly.
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2045[15:41:26] <Lope> ratrace, I've made a custom hook script that's supposed to do a wget call. So far so good! It includes wget in the initramfs and I'm able to run it manually when logged in doing this `wget -O- replaced-url
2046[15:41:54] <Lope> ratrace, the only thing is if I try query any hostname, whether with wget or ping etc. I get "bad address"
2047[15:42:03] <Lope> I've tried setting /etc/resolv.conf but that doesn't help.
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2059[15:45:07] <greycat> you're trying to use https from your initramfs, because why
2060[15:45:38] <Lope> send myself a msg to tell myself that the server is in initramfs
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2062[15:45:49] <greycat> use http so you don't have to include all the crypto crap in the initramfs
2063[15:45:56] <Lope> who cares
2064[15:46:11] <wskyx> ignorance is bliss
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2066[15:46:36] <Lope> http is a bad idea because then anyone on the network can spoof any messages to me.
2067[15:46:47] <Lope> the https url includes a key for sending me messages.
2068[15:46:49] <greycat> yeeeeah, I'm done
2069[15:47:01] <Lope> congrats
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2072[15:47:34] <JPT> Looks like your initramfs will need a dns resolver and a bucket of trustworthy ca certificates
2073[15:47:35] <Lope> wow. nslookup inside the initramfs works.
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2075[15:47:56] <Lope> So then why would ping amazon.com say "bad address"?
2076[15:48:22] <Lope> the ca certs are sorted already.
2077[15:48:28] <Lope> It's just resolving DNS that's the issue
2078[15:48:39] <Lope> how can I resolve dns in the initramfs?
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2080[15:49:18] <JPT> You could try to run that ping command with strace and see where it fails.
2081[15:49:44] <JPT> If ping uses some glibc(?) function for name resolution, you may need the software stack that supports this.
2082[15:49:52] <greycat> but they they'd need strace inside the initramfs too!
2083[15:50:05] <JPT> A quick google came up with "libnss_dns" and "libdns_files" being necessary, but that's just a small hint.
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2085[15:50:15] <Lope> greycat, are you talking about spoofing me messages?
2086[15:50:16] <greycat> but I can guess the answer to that one. "who cares"
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2091[15:51:05] <Lope> greycat, that would be trivial as a MITM attack, no need for anything on the server. that's why http is obsolete over a non-trusted network.
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2094[15:51:46] <jelly> Lope: what does "getent hosts amazon.com" say?
2095[15:52:07] <Lope> getent not found
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2097[15:52:28] <Lope> okay I'll include getent as a dep
2098[15:52:34] <Lope> thanks
2099[15:52:44] <jelly> Lope: libc-bin package is Priority: required
2100[15:53:02] <jelly> if you don't have it installed, your system is broken
2101[15:53:11] <Lope> jelly, i don't have libc-bin installed on the system at all
2102[15:53:21] <jelly> Lope: is this a Debian installation at all?
2103[15:53:21] <Lope> even when running the fully booted system
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2105[15:53:26] <Lope> and it's not broken.
2106[15:53:29] <Lope> It's buster.
2107[15:53:45] <Lope> well, i should say it was buster. I put proxmox ontop of it
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2109[15:54:01] <Lope> so it's possible they removed libc-bin. but I'd be surprised if they did.
2110[15:54:07] <greycat> jelly: they're trying to build a miniature linux inside their initramfs so that they can send themselves "messages" over https to indicate the progress of their initramfs's whatever the hell they're doing
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2113[15:54:21] <jelly> oh sorry, in buster that package is not Priority: required.
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2115[15:54:25] <jelly> it's Essential: yes
2116[15:54:26] <jelly> :-)
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2121[15:55:30] <jelly> greycat: perhaps a smaller linux userspace could be used to bootstrap that more featured initramfs.
2122[15:55:37] <Lope> greycat, you're just jealous that your system doesn't send you messages from initramfs :p
2123[15:55:56] <jelly> it's initramfses all the way down
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2142[16:10:23] <ws2k3> how can i delete a file called -d-le.pem
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2144[16:11:14] <avu> ws2k3: `rm -- -d-le.pem`
2145[16:11:15] <jelly> ws2k3: rm ./-d<TAB>
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2159[16:20:07] <Lope> jelly, I've included 2 modules related to dns resolution, libnss_dns and libnss_files in my initramfs. this is an strace from `ping amazon.com` replaced-url
2160[16:20:16] <Lope> looks like I'm still missing some sort of tls module
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2163[16:21:25] <darxmurf> find . -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -name "-d-le.pem" -delete
2164[16:22:13] <jelly> Lope: what do your /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf look like?
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2166[16:22:26] <greycat> "what nsswitch.conf? I need one of those?!"
2167[16:22:27] <Lope> nameserver 1.1.1.1
2168[16:22:33] <Lope> I've never heard of nsswitch.cong
2169[16:22:38] <darxmurf> add -type f also
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2171[16:23:55] <jelly> Lope: /etc/nsswitch.conf is the main configuration file for the nss part of gnu libc, that is, the resolver library
2172[16:24:07] <jelly> it has a man page!
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2174[16:24:36] <Lope> jelly, oh, interesting. I've never needed to interact with it
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2176[16:24:59] <Kats99> hey guys im unable to connect my phone to my computer. i tried jmtpfs too but not working..it shows input output error
2177[16:25:05] <jelly> configuration there determines which nss modules are going to get used to resolve things, like host names
2178[16:25:23] <Lope> jelly, mine is pretty empty
2179[16:25:32] <Lope> there are no mobiles listed by the looks of it
2180[16:25:36] <Lope> modules lol
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2183[16:26:13] <jelly> Lope: if you want hostname resolution to use DNS, you'll need a line like "hosts: dns" in there
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2185[16:26:37] <jelly> Lope: if you want it to use /etc/hosts and dns, you'll want "hosts: files dns"
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2190[16:27:26] <jelly> Lope: the string in the hosts: line determines the name of dynamically loaded module, if you put "foo" in there, libnss_foo.so gets used
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2192[16:27:50] <Lope> oh, I see. I've got "hosts: files dns"
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2198[16:28:52] <jelly> Lope: the existence of "files" in there means libnss_files.so will be used. That one reads host names from /etc/hosts file.
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2202[16:29:43] <Lope> I see my busybox nsswitch is lacking a hosts line
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2205[16:30:26] <Lope> Still bad address
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2208[16:30:40] <jelly> Lope: and getent hosts ... ?
2209[16:30:49] <Lope> thanks for the tip about nsswitch
2210[16:31:19] <Lope> it returns nothing.
2211[16:31:22] <Lope> I'll try strace it
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2214[16:32:06] <Lope> it complains a lot about stuff like this: openat(AT_FDCWD, "/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/tls/x86_64/x86_64/libnss_dns.so.2", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
2215[16:32:37] <Lope> I've tried to include these modules but clearly have failed at that.
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2270[17:13:07] <ghormoon> hi, i've used this to add routes in dhcp (isc-dhcp-server package) replaced-url
2271[17:13:42] <gh00p> Anyone know if it's possible to make `less` just *exit* if it gets fewer lines of input than are available on my terminal? I've got something reading my PAGER variable, and I want to use less when the output is long, but it just gets in the way when output is shorter than my screen.
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2273[17:14:16] <ratrace> Lope: sounds like resolv.conf missing?
2274[17:14:18] <karlpinc> gh00p: There is a way, but I forget. You'll have to read the man page.
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2276[17:14:32] <cinesc> what process is ata_sff?
2277[17:14:39] <gh00p> karlpinc: it's a long man page. Any idea what to look for?
2278[17:15:13] <karlpinc> gh00p: Once you have the option you can set $LESS in /etc/.bashrc .
2279[17:15:16] <gh00p> Oh! Got it! -F or --quit-if-one-screen
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2281[17:15:40] <karlpinc> gh00p: Don't forget to start a new bash to test.
2282[17:15:49] <greycat> karlpinc: do NOT change /etc/bash.bashrc for a personal preference
2283[17:16:04] <greycat> environment variables don't belong in that file anyway
2284[17:16:13] <gh00p> My shell is tcsh anyway. ;-)
2285[17:17:35] <ratrace> Lope: also check if the initramfs contains /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnss_dns* and ...libnss_files* files, and if not, add them with that hook where you add wget and its libs
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2287[17:18:54] <ratrace> gh00p: tcsh! :)
2288[17:19:15] <ratrace> I liked tcsh until I realized I couldn't do one-liner for loops like in bash
2289[17:22:01] <gh00p> ya, tcsh is a fetid pile of unreasonable limitations. I tell myself that using it as my interactive shell encourages me to codify my bash into actual scripts, which I can re-use. Not sure I actually do that though.
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2321[17:47:41] <samba_> helo I've a problem running X on my laptop with debian buster, error says 'Cannot run in framebuffer mode. Please specify busIDs for all framebuffer devices" and then stops, any idea?
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2323[17:48:26] <greycat> make sure appropriate firmware is installed, and if that's not sufficient, get the actual hardware with lspci -nn
2324[17:49:45] <samba_> firmware-linux-nonfree is installed
2325[17:50:33] <samba_> VGA Controller is an Intel Corporation Device [8086:9b61] (rev 02)
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2327[17:51:20] <samba_> VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:9b61] (rev 02)
2328[17:51:52] <greycat> Even replaced-url
2329[17:52:00] <greycat> Is this super-new hardware?
2330[17:52:10] <samba_> it is, yes
2331[17:52:50] <greycat> You probably need newer *everything*, then -- kernel, X, firmware, mesa, the works.
2332[17:53:08] <greycat> Bleeding edge hardware is generally a really bad idea with Linux, and especially with Debian (or RHEL),
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2336[17:54:37] <samba_> I know, but this laptop (assembled by tuxedo) was with latest ubuntu preinstalled and was working
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2343[17:56:56] <greycat> Honestly? Stick with ubuntu on that machine, then. Until bullseye anyway.
2344[17:57:19] <samba_> yea, I guess will go like this
2345[17:57:28] <samba_> thanks
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2348[17:58:42] <jelly> ,pciid 8086:9b61
2349[17:58:43] <MikeDebian> Hi all. Is there a way copy debian 8 repositories to one of your own machines and make your own repository still working after Debian 8 EOL in case you need to install further packages later on? Upgrading Debian 8 to Debian 9 is not an option if that's what you'd purpose.
2350[17:58:43] <judd> [8086:9b61] is 'Unknown device' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also replaced-url
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2352[17:59:13] <gh00p> Okay, next `less` question... When output is less than my screen length, is there a way I can make it behave more like `cat`, and just print what it's got rather than clearing the screen and displaying output from the top of the window?
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2356[17:59:22] <greycat> MikeDebian: packages from archived releases are still available in the archive repository
2357[17:59:26] <jelly> MikeDebian: the last state of repos for old releases is stored at archive.debian.org
2358[17:59:31] <sfplehardy> Test
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2360[17:59:37] <jelly> sfplehardy: test failed
2361[17:59:39] <greycat> !squeeze sources.list
2362[17:59:39] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
2363[18:00:02] <Lope> ratrace, I've added resolv.conf and nsswitch.conf
2364[18:00:26] <sfplehardy> Jelly fish
2365[18:00:34] <Lope> ratrace, thanks, I must check what libs are in the initramfs
2366[18:01:10] <MikeDebian> greycat and jelly. I know that but strangely I tried to use them to make some updates on some Debian 7 and using the repos failed for at least some packages that I know they were available. For instance, couldn't install dnsutils by using archive repos
2367[18:01:31] <greycat> !wheezy sources.list
2368[18:01:31] <dpkg> Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb replaced-url
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2370[18:03:01] <jelly> MikeDebian: if you can show the actual full output of the failed attempt we can try to help
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2373[18:03:21] <Lope> hosts:
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2376[18:04:49] <MikeDebian> Well, that was 2 or 3 weeks ago that I tried and can't remember exactly the output or reproduce it
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2378[18:05:07] <greycat> could've been a glitch in networking
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2381[18:05:49] <MikeDebian> greycat that's an option
2382[18:05:55] <jelly> MikeDebian: there are workaround for specific issues that can happen (pgp keys/signage out of date). Come ask here when you try it next time.
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2385[18:06:28] <horribleprogram> so I got a website
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2387[18:06:39] <horribleprogram> I know the FTP Username, the FTP server, and the FTPS port
2388[18:06:53] <horribleprogram> is there any good command-line programs
2389[18:06:53] <jelly> MikeDebian: if you have Debian 7 systems in production and you need support, consider paying for ELTS
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2391[18:06:57] <jelly> !ELTS
2392[18:06:57] <dpkg> Limited commercial support for wheezy exists in form of Extended LTS, see replaced-url
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2394[18:07:11] <horribleprogram> like that will allow me to upload/download files from my web server
2395[18:07:12] <greycat> horribleprogram: switch to a real provider that isn't selling you technology from the previous century
2396[18:07:21] <horribleprogram> greycat: it's HostGator
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2398[18:07:46] <greycat> If you suspect that they are not awful evil people, then there should be a way for you to access your site with a 21st century protocol like sftp.
2399[18:07:49] <horribleprogram> I just hate going through the control panel everything I want to change my website
2400[18:07:54] <MikeDebian> Anyway, I had 2 lines on /etc/apt/sources.list "deb replaced-url
2401[18:07:55] <horribleprogram> YES
2402[18:07:57] <greycat> ... control ... panel >!?
2403[18:08:00] <horribleprogram> greycat: FTP & explicit FTPS port: 21
2404[18:08:02] <greycat> what the hell, man
2405[18:08:12] <greycat> Switch to a real provider.
2406[18:08:14] <wasamasa> try lftp
2407[18:08:16] <horribleprogram> greycat: can I PM you?
2408[18:08:19] <greycat> no
2409[18:08:24] <horribleprogram> ouch
2410[18:08:24] <wasamasa> if that doesn't work, give up
2411[18:08:29] <horribleprogram> kk
2412[18:08:53] <greycat> There is no reason to continue putting time and energy into trying to get that crap to work.
2413[18:09:13] <MikeDebian> Now I was able to install some dependencies and finally dnsutils. But I now I have removed that second line the other time and was still unable to install the package
2414[18:09:18] <jelly> if it's a rare site that has actual TLS support on ftp, lftp may need some twiddling to work
2415[18:09:20] <wasamasa> I've had plenty of issues supporting customers using some screwed up ftp implementation from well known hosters
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2417[18:09:38] <Lope> ratrace, I've got `manual_add_modules libnss_dns` in my hook file
2418[18:09:52] <Lope> but for whatever reason there is no libnss_dns in the initramfs image.
2419[18:09:52] <wasamasa> using sftp with openssh instead is a no-brainer
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2421[18:10:17] <jelly> horribleprogram: sometimes the provider may have sftp (ssh) support even if it's not advertised, might be worth a try
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2423[18:10:36] <MikeDebian> jelly, currently the Debian 7 are only NVRs. The Debian 8 machines are production servers indeed. Provided I case still install packages from the archive after Debian 8 goes EOL it's all good for me.
2424[18:10:42] <jelly> horribleprogram: see if you can "telnet same-ftp-server 22"
2425[18:11:06] <MikeDebian> I can*
2426[18:11:28] <MikeDebian> jelly and greycat, thank you for your inputs
2427[18:11:44] <jelly> horribleprogram: if port 22 is open, there's a chance you might use same user and password to connect with a sftp client
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2429[18:12:27] <jelly> sftp is naturally a completely different protocol from ftps.
2430[18:12:29] <rander2> hello
2431[18:12:58] <rander2> I dont find the hspa modem in /dev
2432[18:13:00] <horribleprogram> jelly: yes it works
2433[18:13:09] <greycat> OK, crisis solved.
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2436[18:13:28] <horribleprogram> there was no crisis I just wanted a good command-line ftp client
2437[18:13:37] <greycat> You can mount the "website" with sshfs (which uses sftp), and rsync your files to it.
2438[18:13:46] <Kats99> my vmnet adapters are not managed. how can i turn them on
2439[18:13:51] <horribleprogram> that can work
2440[18:13:56] <horribleprogram> idk I'll fio
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2442[18:14:04] <wasamasa> have fun with lftp then
2443[18:14:10] <greycat> !ftp must die
2444[18:14:10] <dpkg> FTP MUST DIE! replaced-url
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2446[18:14:25] <jelly> lftp does many protocols, sftp is one of them.
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2448[18:14:38] <Kats99> in gnome i can use the adapters but how do i do it in xfce?
2449[18:14:54] <greycat> I've had good luck with lftp in the past, but I haven't used it in a decade or more.
2450[18:14:54] <rander2> . /dev/ACM* dont exist
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2453[18:15:12] <jelly> rander2: is it a usb device?
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2455[18:16:03] <rander2> yes, huawei. It go under ubuntu, but not in debian
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2457[18:16:36] <jelly> rander2: does anything named /dev/ttyUSB* appear after you plug it in, instead of /dev/ttyACM* ?
2458[18:17:05] <jelly> wait, I don't remember whether "USB" was uppercase
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2460[18:17:19] <rander2> replaced-url
2461[18:17:42] <rander2> dont exist
2462[18:17:59] <jelly> rander2: is the device visible in lsusb when it's plugged in
2463[18:18:04] <Slashman> hello, I have a program that can log to a specific syslog facility, I have added the line in rsyslog.conf to include this facility in a specific file "local7.* /var/log/samba/audit.log", but the log is still duplicated to "/var/log/syslog" and "/var/log/messages", from the rsyslog documentation, I cannot use "!" to exclude a facility from the current log, is there anyway to not log 3 times those kind of message?
2464[18:18:18] <rander2> jelly yes it's visible
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2466[18:18:31] <jelly> rander2: is usb-modeswitch package installed?
2467[18:18:42] <rander2> Bus 001 Device 006: ID 12d1:1446 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. HSPA modem
2468[18:18:53] <rander2> let me see
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2470[18:19:50] <rander2> it nort was
2471[18:19:51] <rander2> not
2472[18:20:04] <jelly> rander2: install it, and maybe reboot and try again
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2475[18:20:57] <jelly> Slashman: what does the line for /var/log/syslog destination look like?
2476[18:20:59] <rander2> fullo reboot ?
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2478[18:21:15] <rander2> full reboot or simply remove and re-join the modem ?
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2480[18:21:42] <jelly> rander2: I don't remember how and when usb-modeswitch works and how it interacts with udev. So reboot is a safe bet.
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2483[18:22:02] <Slashman> jelly: I think I got it, I used a filter, previous line: "*.*;auth,authpriv.none -/var/log/syslog", new line: "*.*;auth,authpriv.none;local7.none -/var/log/syslog", it works
2484[18:22:41] <jelly> Slashman: you could probably have added the facility to the others listed before .none
2485[18:22:55] <jelly> *.*;auth,authpriv,local7.none -/var/log/syslog
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2487[18:23:15] <jelly> 6 bytes saved!!!1
2488[18:23:18] <Slashman> jelly: yeah, that works too
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2491[18:23:52] <jelly> Slashman: bad thing is every upgrade of rsyslog or whatever package will now ask you what to do with non-default conffile
2492[18:24:03] <rander2> tail -n 50 /var/log/syslog > syslog # but it's too much long, I dont know as copy it
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2496[18:24:55] <Slashman> jelly: yeah, I wanted to only use a file in /etc/rsyslog.d/smb.conf but I don't think that I can overwrite or undefine something from the /etc/rsyslog.conf file that way
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2508[18:28:27] <Slashman> jelly: doesn't work :'(
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2510[18:28:42] <Slashman> cannot overwrite a rule in an included file
2511[18:29:55] <magyar> hi guys, I use torbrowser-launcher on stable and i just update to the latest version. When I launch the tor browser I get a black screen now
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2519[18:32:35] <rander2> OK, thx. All it's right now
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2524[18:34:09] <jelly> rander2: nice
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2528[18:34:53] <rander2> Debian linux isanother world, all is open and compresible.
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2532[18:36:53] <jelly> !compress rander2
2533[18:37:18] <greycat> rander2.gz: how do you feel?
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2535[18:37:37] <rander2> compress isn't a old compression format with extension .Z ?
2536[18:37:49] <greycat> Well yes, on commercial Unix it would be.
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2541[18:38:20] <greycat> the closest thing in Debian is gzip
2542[18:38:22] <rander2> now it's not used more, I remenber it many many years ago
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2544[18:38:45] <rander2> when I was a child wannabe
2545[18:38:51] <greycat> The compression algorithm that compress used was patented, so gzip couldn't reimplement it. But it can *de*compress that format.
2546[18:38:57] <jelly> huh. I actually do not have a "compress" command. Never noticed.
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2548[18:39:26] <rander2> Ok, I didnt know it
2549[18:39:36] <jelly> judd: file bin/compress
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2551[18:39:40] <judd> Search for bin/compress in buster/amd64: ncompress: usr/bin/compress
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2554[18:40:06] <greycat> Ah. Interesting.
2555[18:40:15] <jelly> "This package also contains a copyright notice and a brief discussion of the LZW patent history (written by one of the original authors) in the file /usr/share/doc/ncompress/README.Debian."
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2560[18:41:14] <greycat> replaced-url
2561[18:41:32] <ratrace> Lope: libnss_dns is not a module :)
2562[18:41:59] <Lope> ratrace, lol, really?
2563[18:42:09] <ratrace> Lope: yea it's a .so
2564[18:42:13] <ratrace> not a .ko
2565[18:42:18] <Lope> oh, what's a so?
2566[18:42:36] <Lope> thank god you're here!
2567[18:42:42] <ratrace> Lope: a dynamically linked lib
2568[18:42:57] <Lope> ah. So what's the appropriate thing to pull it in, in the hook?
2569[18:43:05] <ratrace> Lope: you need to copy all the libs that ldd shows as dynamically linked deps for a bianry
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2572[18:43:18] <ratrace> Lope: copy_exec function does both the bin and its libs iirc
2573[18:43:55] <Lope> ratrace, yeah, but I'm already running copy_exec on a bunch of things, that haven't resulted in libnss_dns being brought in.
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2575[18:44:19] <Lope> so far, just for testing, I'm pulling these in with copy_exec: /usr/bin/wget /usr/bin/nano /usr/bin/getent /usr/bin/curl /usr/bin/strace
2576[18:44:41] <Lope> I suppose I could pull in dig? haha
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2578[18:45:22] <ratrace> Lope: lemme check something
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2584[18:48:19] <rander2> with hpsa there are all the subnet , here is in 10.x.x.x class
2585[18:48:39] <ratrace> Lope: try copying the libnss_dns.so* manually; they're used by glibc and not visible in the ldd of it; also set up proper /etc/resolv.conf within your wget installation hook, or have a separate hook for that
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2588[18:49:05] <ratrace> Lope: oh also, make sure /etc/nsswitch.conf includes "dns" entry for "hosts", like "hosts: files dns"
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2590[18:49:37] <ratrace> Lope: if that doesn't work then I think you'll have to settle with existing libnss_files.so and embed an /etc/hosts with the hostnames and IPs you use
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2593[18:50:31] <Lope> yes, have done those things. Okay cool, copying the libnss_dns manually. Thanks man!
2594[18:52:25] <ratrace> Lope: btw you can use copy_exec on the libnss_dns.so
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2596[18:52:49] <Lope> oh really?
2597[18:53:01] <Lope> literally just copy_exec libnss_dns.so ?
2598[18:53:18] <ratrace> Lope: yeah you'll just need full path to it iirc
2599[18:53:22] <Lope> I've done this: cp /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnss_dns* $DESTDIR/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/
2600[18:53:28] <Lope> cp /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnss_files* $DESTDIR/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/
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2602[18:53:37] <Lope> and I've inspected the resulting initramfs. and it has the stuff now.
2603[18:53:49] <Lope> So I'm going to give it a spin, but before I do...
2604[18:53:55] <ratrace> Lope: ah you can do that too. copy_exec will also copy and additional libs required by an executable or .o
2605[18:54:05] <ratrace> %s/\.o/.so/
2606[18:54:14] <Lope> Is the correct directory for this /scripts/local-premount/
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2608[18:54:40] <Lope> oh, interesting, okay then I'll use copy_exec
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2610[18:54:52] <ratrace> Lope: for what exactly? that stage is exec'd right before mounting of the rootfs
2611[18:55:09] <Lope> ratrace, what's up with the version number?
2612[18:55:17] <Lope> libnss_dns-2.28.so
2613[18:55:26] <Lope> there's that, and then there is also libnss_dns.so
2614[18:55:40] <Lope> it's easy to copy with a cp and an asterisk, as I've done.
2615[18:55:48] <Lope> But I don't know if copy_exec will like it.
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2617[18:55:52] <Lope> will try
2618[18:56:21] <ratrace> Lope: the non-versioned .so is a symlink to proper version, and actually stuff that's being depended upon
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2620[18:57:01] <ratrace> Lope: like, a program links to foo.so, which is a symlink to the actual, versioned .so
2621[18:57:03] <Lope> Interesting. So what I'm using this for is to get my server to send me a message using a https request telling me that it's in the initramfs.
2622[18:57:27] <ratrace> Lope: if you ran copy_exec on wget, then that's fine, otherwise you'd have to ldd wget and see what it wants
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2628[18:58:59] <ratrace> Lope: you can see what copy_exec does, it's defined in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hook-functions. It ldd's the path you give it and copies them all recursively
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2630[18:59:13] <Lope> ratrace, `copy_exec libnss_dns.so` is not working.
2631[18:59:21] <ratrace> Lope: yes, full path
2632[18:59:30] <Lope> oh, my bad, forgot you said that.
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2634[19:00:39] <rander2> It's possible not accept dhcp dns servers from networkmanager to avoid the provider dns ?
2635[19:00:41] <jelly> Lope: why not hardcode the hostname+ip and the ssl certificate for the https destination in the initramfs
2636[19:00:51] <jelly> !override dns
2637[19:00:52] <dpkg> To have dhclient etc not touch /etc/resolv.conf, the best plan is to configure it not to touch that file. See replaced-url
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2640[19:01:23] <jelly> rander2: ^
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2642[19:01:49] <Lope> ratrace, great, it copied the libnss_dns.so.2
2643[19:01:54] <Lope> ratrace, what is the .2?
2644[19:01:54] * jelly completely trusts his provider's dns
2645[19:02:03] <jelly> !soname
2646[19:02:03] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, soname is a version number by shared libraries used to refer to the binary compatibility of a shared library's api. when the api changes in such a way as to potentially require code changes by clients of the library, the soname changes. also see the Debian Shared Library Packagin guide: replaced-url
2647[19:02:03] <rander2> ok, the next time ask to dpkg befoe, thx
2648[19:02:08] <jelly> Lope: ^
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2650[19:02:17] <ratrace> rander2: in addition to what jelly said, NetworkManager.conf has further options that can help
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2652[19:02:33] <ratrace> rander2: eg, dns=none
2653[19:03:01] <rander2> inside NetworkManager.conf
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2656[19:03:42] <jelly> ratrace: and you're supposed to have tunables in GUI to override dns on a per-connection basis, but I don't use N-M on Debian so I'm not sure if it's easy to set up or whether it works
2657[19:03:49] <Lope> ratrace, lol. wget: note: TLS certificate validation not implemented
2658[19:04:05] <jelly> Lope: that's busybox "wget"
2659[19:04:08] <Lope> but DNS is working
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2661[19:04:15] <Lope> jelly, oh, okay will try curl
2662[19:04:24] <jelly> or use actual wget
2663[19:04:24] <Lope> I've included curl just incase, as well.
2664[19:04:35] <Lope> jelly, how can I use actual wget in initramfs?
2665[19:04:44] <jelly> how can you use curl?
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2669[19:05:27] <jelly> just put it in there, like the other hundred extra files
2670[19:05:31] <Lope> jelly, I'm using /bin/wget
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2673[19:05:44] <jelly> Lope: so use /usr/bin/wget instead
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2675[19:06:12] <Lope> okay, just tried /usr/bin/wget got the same message.
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2677[19:06:25] <jelly> is it the real one or the busybox one?
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2679[19:06:48] <Lope> well, i wouldn't have known there's a special initramfs wget.
2680[19:07:05] <jelly> busybox has implementations for a couple dozen commands.
2681[19:07:16] <Lope> I did use `copy_exec /usr/bin/wget` in my hook script
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2683[19:08:12] <Lope> curl: (60) SSL certificate problem: unable to get local issuer certificate
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2686[19:09:00] <ratrace> jelly: they removed those tunables :(
2687[19:09:08] <jelly> Lope: you'll need the CA bundle to be able to verify someone's server cert has a valid trust to a CA root from the CA bundle
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2693[19:10:26] <jelly> Lope: or worse, the whole /etc/ssl/certs/, depending of what curl does
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2695[19:11:01] <jelly> seems to read the hashed links from /etc/ssl/certs/ for me,
2696[19:11:07] <jelly> openat(AT_FDCWD, "/etc/ssl/certs/2e5ac55d.0", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 4
2697[19:11:34] <Lope> jelly, thanks very much bro. will throw that into the initramfs for good measure.
2698[19:11:41] <Lope> to make greycat very happy.
2699[19:11:43] <jelly> *facepalm*
2700[19:12:35] <jelly> Lope: you could have just hardcoded replaced-url
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2703[19:13:55] <jelly> if bundling a whole resolver and ssl library and ca certs into initramfs is the right thing to do, things are not right
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2708[19:15:00] <Lope> hardcoding the IP is fragile
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2710[19:16:41] <Lope> jelly, ratrace: now it gets stuck on getrandom(
2711[19:16:48] <Lope> (looking at the strace)
2712[19:16:53] <jelly> that's normal.
2713[19:17:00] <Lope> huh?
2714[19:17:08] <Lope> when I run it on my desktop it finishes fast.
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2717[19:17:14] <jelly> that is also normal.
2718[19:17:17] <Lope> curl replaced-url
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2720[19:17:29] <Lope> how do you fix it?
2721[19:17:37] <Lope> it's totally stuck.
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2723[19:17:46] <indoorcat> where is my printer ppd file? there is no file on my hard drive called that, just a ppd folder?
2724[19:17:54] <indoorcat> the driver is not in the database
2725[19:18:14] <Lope> jelly, do I need haveged or something?
2726[19:18:14] <indoorcat> i installed the driver install.sh file
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2728[19:18:24] <indoorcat> help please
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2732[19:19:06] <indoorcat> can someone help me?
2733[19:19:22] * kadiro is giving help to indoorcat
2734[19:19:35] <jelly> Lope: you lie to the kernel about it having enough entropy, or you compromise, like kernel people did and implemented a poor man's haveged inside the kernel: replaced-url
2735[19:19:43] <indoorcat> trying to i=get my printer to work
2736[19:19:57] <indoorcat> 'piejiojgferegiij
2737[19:19:58] <indoorcat> 'lje
2738[19:19:58] <indoorcat> get
2739[19:19:58] <indoorcat> qet
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2741[19:20:16] <Lope> jelly, can't you get real entropy from just grabbing random crap from the internet?
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2743[19:21:03] <jelly> Lope: finding "real entropy" during early boot is somewhat problematic, as you've just found out
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2746[19:22:13] <jelly> indoorcat: which debian release are you using? Which printer model? Where _exactly_ did you get the vendor's install.sh from?
2747[19:22:46] <rander2> what can I put in networkmanager.conf to avoid overwrite resolv.conf ? # replaced-url
2748[19:23:01] <ratrace> Lope: install haveged :)
2749[19:23:07] <jelly> Lope: sorry, that's not helpful, however I don't have a useful answer right now
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2751[19:24:58] <ratrace> Lope: on modern RDRAND systems and a newer kernel, haveged ain't needed, but if you don't have that, I'd recommend installing it anyway, not just to solve the libssl needs in initramfs
2752[19:26:08] <rander2> ok, dns=none # excuse me
2753[19:26:19] <jelly> ratrace: they could be gnutls needs!
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2773[19:35:27] <wxb> Hi. Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who helped me with my install yesterday. It's not running perfectly yet, but it's working. I'll iron out issues later!
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2777[19:36:10] <dvs> wxb, get rid of the Broadcom WiFi!!! ;-)
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2781[19:37:09] <wxb> dvs That is the moral of the story! Yeah. I'll looking into a wifi dongle or something. I'm on that card now and it's slow. Oh well.
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2796[19:40:49] <YesMan> Hi
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2800[19:42:33] <indoorcat> hi
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2803[19:43:13] <YesMan> I just refurbished an old dell E1505/6400 with a core 2 Duo 2.3MHz. The system is limited to 4GB of DDR2 667. While it does support 64bit systems I was wondering if there could be any drawbacks in using a 64bit system on such an old system
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2806[19:44:16] <dvs> YesMan, 64bit binaries use more memory so if you can't expand it beyond 4GB, I'd install the 32-bit version.
2807[19:45:04] <kadiro> oh that exactely is my situation
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2809[19:45:27] <kadiro> i though the 32bit is droped
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2811[19:45:54] <karlpinc> YesMan: In the end, it depends on what you'll be running. If you want to pump data through the cpu 64 bits are good. Runnings lots-o-stuff at once, then maybe you don't want to use up the ram with code.
2812[19:46:08] <kadiro> a little difference that my cpu is older than yours :D
2813[19:46:27] <dvs> kadiro, there's still a i386 version (actually min of 686)
2814[19:47:05] <YesMan> Well case is closed I just noticed the 32bit download isn't available for the latest debian
2815[19:47:05] <kadiro> dvs, i think it will die sooned if not later? or it will continue for 686?
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2819[19:48:29] <YesMan> hold on, it is actually there
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2821[19:48:33] <dvs> YesMan, replaced-url
2822[19:48:35] <karlpinc> YesMan: Are you sure? There's been a single download for both arches for a while. (It automatically selects.)
2823[19:48:56] <YesMan> dvs thank you, so 32bit it is
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2839[19:52:55] <rudi_s> I'd still go with 64-bit. It's more secure (ASLR) and I don't think the higher memory usage matters that much.
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2841[19:53:07] <rudi_s> It also makes migrating the data easier.
2842[19:54:01] <indoorcat> hey babe
2843[19:54:07] <indoorcat> take a walk on the wild side
2844[19:54:57] <indoorcat> im chillin
2845[19:55:06] <indoorcat> can't get this darn printer working
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2852[19:56:32] <indoorcat> text book nightmare
2853[19:56:43] <indoorcat> deleted my windows dual boot
2854[19:56:49] <indoorcat> and my printer wont work
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2857[19:59:06] <ratrace> bad kitty!
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2859[19:59:43] <Lope> ratrace, my script is in the initramfs at /scripts/local-premount/test.sh
2860[19:59:51] <Lope> but it's not running. It is executable.
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2862[20:00:26] <Lope> the manual says: local-premount OR nfs-premount are run after the sanity of the root device has been verified (local) or the network interface has been brought up (NFS), but before the actual root fs has been mounted.
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2869[20:04:12] <ratrace> Lope: what does it do exactly?
2870[20:04:15] <Lope> jelly, ratrace: any idea how to get more `cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail` it's on 16 lol
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2872[20:04:24] <Lope> I've run haveged but it didn't increase the entropy
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2876[20:04:50] <ratrace> Lope: haveged should've taken care of it. sure it's running?
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2879[20:06:05] <Lope> ratrace, replaced-url
2880[20:06:48] <Lope> that's /scripts/local/premount/test.sh
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2883[20:07:39] <ratrace> Lope: have you tried running it manually from initramfs?
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2885[20:08:02] <Lope> ratrace, if I run it manually from initramfs, it runs
2886[20:08:26] <Lope> when I run the haveged program manually inside the initramfs, the entropy doesn't go up.
2887[20:08:39] <Lope> I'm looking at an strace of it to see what the issue is.
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2891[20:09:28] <Lope> haveged has an issue here: openat(AT_FDCWD, "/etc/localtime", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
2892[20:09:52] <Lope> what do I need to get localtime working?
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2895[20:10:48] <Lope> /etc/localtime: symbolic link to /usr/share/zoneinfo/Africa/Johannesburg
2896[20:11:26] <Lope> haveged also has an issue here: connect(3, {sa_family=AF_UNIX, sun_path="/dev/log"}, 110) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
2897[20:11:31] <ratrace> Lope: I think the package console-setup set up keymap, locale (and thus localtime) within intramfs, but I'm not sure. If not, just copy /usr/share/zoneinfo/UTC or you actual tzfile from a hook
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2900[20:13:24] <Lope> okay, so I probably need copy_exec for locale and then copy the /usr/share/zoneinfo for UTC
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2903[20:13:51] <Lope> jelly, are you saying I wouldn't have this issue on a >=v5 kernel?
2904[20:14:03] <Lope> because I intend to upgrade to a v5 kernel anyway.
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2907[20:14:42] <wxb> Are Raspian compatible wifi dongles fine to use on regular DEbian? replaced-url
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2909[20:14:45] <ratrace> Lope: locale is not an executable, just cp the file
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2911[20:15:05] <ratrace> Lope: ah you mean /usr/bin/locale
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2915[20:15:50] <jhutchins_wk> wxb: Depends on the dongle.
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2918[20:16:04] <dka> I use debian and cinnamon and I am used to have the bluetooth icon in my system tray, but now it disappear, any idea how to put it back>?
2919[20:16:13] <Lope> ratrace, yeah, do you think I need /usr/bin/locale ?
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2921[20:16:20] <wxb> jhutchins_wk That linked one. What do you thinkg?
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2925[20:17:32] <ratrace> Lope: I don't think so, but time will tell :)
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2928[20:18:14] <jhutchins_wk> wxb: There's nothing that says what brand, model, or chipset it is or what OSs it works with, I think I'd look elsewhere.
2929[20:18:28] <jhutchins_wk> wxb: If it's something you already have just try it.
2930[20:19:38] <ratrace> Lope: do you really _need_ https just to ping your something to notify the initramfs is up?
2931[20:19:43] <wxb> jhutchins_wk Thanks. I don't have it yet. I may get it because it is a good price, the size I want, and if it works with Raspian, there should, I hope, be Debian drivers.
2932[20:19:47] <Lope> ratrace, sure. Okay well since I plan to use a v5 kernel anyway, and jelly said newer kernels have better a entropy situation, going to give the new kernel a spin first.
2933[20:19:50] <ratrace> Lope: all this mess is due to https....
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2936[20:20:13] <jhutchins_wk> Ah, but it doesn't say it works with raspian, does it?
2937[20:20:15] <Lope> ratrace, well, i could just use wget, it works with the https thing, but it doesn't verify the cert.
2938[20:20:18] <ratrace> Lope: I think jelly meant use of RDRAND if present, which 4.19 does too
2939[20:20:28] <ratrace> jelly: or you meant something else? ^^
2940[20:20:44] <ratrace> Lope: yea but do you need SSL. Can't you ping it over plain http?
2941[20:20:53] <wxb> jhutchins_wk In the title I think: 'WLAN b/g/n 150 Mbps Clé USB + Antenne Wi-Fi Adaptateur Raspberry Pi 2 3 Zero RTL...'
2942[20:21:32] <Lope> http is actually more trouble than fixing the entropy issue.
2943[20:21:33] <wxb> I'd love to get one of the Thinkpenguin ones, but they're pricey!
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2945[20:21:39] <ratrace> Lope: how come?
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2949[20:22:14] <Lope> I don't want to give up my keys to send me messages, via http (MITM)
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2952[20:22:39] <Lope> also my bot that sends messages can send messages elsewhere etc.
2953[20:22:43] <ratrace> Lope: what keys, isn't this just a notification that a server is in initramfs?
2954[20:22:52] <Lope> I prefer to just have https working. I might use it for key stuff in future as well.
2955[20:23:01] <ratrace> alrighty
2956[20:23:11] <Lope> ratrace, so the only issue that's not resolved at this point is that my script doesn't run.
2957[20:23:15] <Lope> any idea why?
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2959[20:23:20] <jhutchins_wk> wxb: I believe you're in France, right?
2960[20:23:28] <Lope> /scripts/local-premount/test.sh
2961[20:23:37] <wxb> jhutchins_wk Yep!
2962[20:23:49] <Lope> it's supposed to run after the network is up (and it definitely is)
2963[20:23:57] <rander2> hello
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2965[20:24:00] <jhutchins_wk> It looks like it's a RTL8188EU which suggests European network compatible, so you should be OK.
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2967[20:24:13] <ratrace> Lope: how do you know it doesn't, no ping?
2968[20:24:13] <jhutchins_wk> !rtl8188
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2970[20:24:14] <dpkg> For support of Realtek 802.11n/802.11ac PCIe devices, ask me about <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192de>, <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192se>, <rtl8723ae>, <rtl8188ee>, <rtl8723be>. For support of Realtek 802.11n USB devices, ask me about <rtl8192cu>, <r8712u>, <rtl8192u>, <r8723au>, <rtl8188eu>, <rtl8821ae>, <r8192ee>, <rtl8723bs>. replaced-url
2971[20:24:29] <Lope> ratrace, I found this network.sh script which I might try replaced-url
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2975[20:24:37] <jhutchins_wk> !rtl8188eu
2976[20:24:38] <dpkg> Realtek RTL8188EU (USB ID 0bda:8179) and RTL8188ETV-based USB wireless LAN devices (e.g. USB IDs 0bda:0179, 2001:330f) are supported by the r8188eu staging driver, introduced at Linux 3.12. Firmware from userspace is required (rtlwifi/rtl8188eufw.bin) and packaged for Debian since firmware-realtek 0.41. Debian 7 "Wheezy" users: for device support, ask me about <bdo kernel> and install firmware-realtek from <wheezy-backports>.
2977[20:24:38] <wxb> jhutchins_wk Cool - thanks!
2978[20:25:05] <Lope> ratrace, i know the script doesn't run because the script changes various things in the initramfs when it runs. And those things don't happen automatically.
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2983[20:25:09] <Lope> I have to run the script manually.
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2985[20:25:19] <Lope> the script is chmod 700
2986[20:25:20] <rander2> if I change the sim card inside the modem, in high right corner appear the new phone operator, but remain active the first phone operator , si it's impossible connect
2987[20:25:33] <jhutchins_wk> Lope: Do you have a hashbang in it?
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2989[20:25:50] <Lope> jhutchins_wk, #!/bin/sh
2990[20:25:56] <Lope> but the environment is busybox
2991[20:26:04] <jhutchins_wk> Lope: Full path to all files and commands?
2992[20:26:12] <Lope> is that a problem? would there be /bin/sh ?
2993[20:26:12] <rander2> and it's impossible add a nwe phone profile
2994[20:26:32] <ratrace> Lope: btw, those are hooks you linked. hooks = initramfs setup; scripts = run via initramfs init
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2996[20:27:05] <jhutchins_wk> rander2: Call the new provider and ask how to activate it.
2997[20:27:06] <Lope> ratrace, jhutchins_wk this is /scripts/local-premount/test.sh replaced-url
2998[20:27:16] <ratrace> Lope: maybe local-premount stage needs a trigger or something, dunno. Try another, like local-bottom or init-bottom
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3000[20:27:49] <ratrace> Lope: Oh, shi-! yea, that curl needs to be full path
3001[20:28:10] <Lope> ah, thanks. But still, the other side effects don't happen
3002[20:28:16] <rander2> jhutchins_wk, the sim is active, it was on a smartphone, it's a setting problem
3003[20:28:16] <Lope> so the script is definitely not running.
3004[20:28:26] <ratrace> Lope: try another stage, init-bottom or local-bottom
3005[20:28:42] <Lope> local-bottom won't work because it only runs after the rootfs has mounted
3006[20:28:51] <Lope> unless by rootfs they're referring to the initramfs?
3007[20:28:56] <jhutchins_wk> Lope: I can't see what that has to do with initramfs. I've never heard of running random scripts from initramfs. What would launch it?
3008[20:29:00] <ratrace> Lope: there's also this crazy idea of running a root chroot from initramfs so you don't have to move wget, curl, ssl and all the other carp to initramfs :)
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3010[20:29:30] <Lope> ratrace, that's not possible because i need this to happen automatically, before I unlock.
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3012[20:29:47] <ratrace> Lope: well what else is your script doing? I thougth it's only calling home, so it doesn't care which stage it runs in?
3013[20:29:56] <ratrace> Lope: oh before unlock...... local-top
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3015[20:30:40] <Lope> ratrace, but isn't local-top before the network is up?
3016[20:30:55] <ratrace> Lope: nope. I use local-top for my custom unlcking via ssh script
3017[20:31:07] <Lope> oh, brilliant, okay.
3018[20:31:54] <ratrace> Lope: local-top is scripts run to make rootfs device available for scanning, fs detection and mounting, so you unlock in it
3019[20:32:09] <Lope> ratrace, fair enough
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3022[20:32:27] <Lope> ratrace, is there anything else I need to do, to make my script in local-top run?
3023[20:32:37] <ratrace> Lope: I mean, local-premount expects it to be unlocked.... "sanity of the root device" remember? there's no root device if you haven't yet unlocked it
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3025[20:32:41] <Lope> my local-top script gets written when the hook script runs, is that okay?
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3027[20:33:09] <ratrace> Lope: no, it should be preset in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/test.sh
3028[20:33:19] <ratrace> *present so update-initramfs picks it up
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3030[20:33:39] <ratrace> Lope: I mean, technically, you can build your script from a hook, I suppose, but that's doing it wrong
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3034[20:36:53] <wrksx_> Evening folks
3035[20:37:17] <wrksx_> Anything you would recommend to monitor an AMD graphic card
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3037[20:37:35] <somiaj> what do you mean by monintor?
3038[20:37:42] <somiaj> temperature? Fan speeds?
3039[20:37:58] <wrksx_> anything, but mostly the usage
3040[20:38:06] <wrksx_> used/idle
3041[20:38:17] <kadiro> sound like conky
3042[20:38:17] <somiaj> I don't really know of any tools that do that.
3043[20:38:19] <zleap> does anyone know how to set up alpine mail client under debian, i think I am 90% the way there, just stuck
3044[20:38:25] <zleap> please
3045[20:38:31] <wrksx_> Or processes using it, that kind of stuff
3046[20:38:33] <somiaj> yea conky might, unsure if it has monintors for gpu or not.
3047[20:38:40] <martian67|> Linux kernel maintainer says that Intel chipsets have more Spectre like vulnerabilities. No way to fix besides disabling hyperthreading with 20% performance cut.
3048[20:38:51] <somiaj> zleap: would mutt suit your needs?
3049[20:38:57] <kadiro> somiaj, I believe it have gpu and cpu
3050[20:39:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1535
3051[20:39:05] <zleap> somiaj: maybe
3052[20:39:09] <brwoods> I know nvidia has some cli usage stats you could grab, but sure about if AMD supports that or not
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3054[20:39:20] <zleap> i just want a mail client running from the console
3055[20:39:31] <wrksx_> will look into conky
3056[20:39:32] <wrksx_> ty
3057[20:39:36] <somiaj> zleap: there is also alpine if that is what you want, though I think mutt is more popular these days
3058[20:39:39] <somiaj> ,v alpine
3059[20:39:40] <judd> Package: alpine on amd64 -- jessie: 2.11+dfsg1-3; stretch: 2.20+dfsg1-7; bullseye: 2.21+dfsg1-1.1; buster: 2.21+dfsg1-1.1; sid: 2.21+dfsg1-1.1
3060[20:39:42] <greycat> mutt is probably a *lot* more configurable than alpine, for good or bad
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3064[20:39:57] <greycat> so if you're struggling with alpine's config options, um, mutt might be overwhelming
3065[20:40:28] <somiaj> oh wait, I missundestood the question, its about configuration not what is available. Anyways, you might find an alpine support channel more appropriate.
3066[20:40:40] <jhutchins_wk> I never did figure out the configuration for mutt. I've been very happy with alpine, it's simple and just works.
3067[20:40:56] <somiaj> I personally found the defualts of mutt good enough for my use (when I used it)
3068[20:41:00] <Lope> ratrace, my hook script is just a stripped down version of this replaced-url
3069[20:41:09] <jhutchins_wk> zleap: What are you stuck on?
3070[20:41:16] <zleap> setting up alpine
3071[20:41:18] <zleap> IMAP: disroot.org | SSL Port 993 | Authentication: Normal Password
3072[20:41:41] <brwoods> The only issue I have with mutt is that the patched ubuntu version (with a side bar for directories) is availble on debian.
3073[20:41:49] <jhutchins_wk> zleap: Just walk through the menus.
3074[20:41:53] <zleap> that is what disroot give me for setting things up with imap (I can do this with thunderbird) just find alpine confusing
3075[20:41:56] <brwoods> Sadly, at work they use Ubuntu so that isn't an issue.
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3077[20:43:13] <zleap> or rather the path to inbox bit
3078[20:45:05] <jhutchins_wk> It should default to your $HOME
3079[20:45:12] <zleap> ok
3080[20:45:13] <somiaj> brwoods: ever thought of just building your own package for mutt from ubuntus repo?
3081[20:45:28] <zleap> so my e-mail user name is different from my system login name
3082[20:45:43] <jhutchins_wk> zleap: Actually, it's been a while since I set imap up on pine and I don't have it on any systems here.
3083[20:45:52] <jhutchins_wk> Let me see what I can find.
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3085[20:46:04] <brwoods> somiaj: I've done many things in Linux, but building deb packages isn't something I've done before and I'm lazy. I'd just get the patches and apply them to a mutt repo and manually install
3086[20:46:25] <zleap> i have found imap.disroot.org:port/TLS/user=user@domail (so paulsutton@disroot.org
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3088[20:47:03] <somiaj> brwoods: if you are familar with building source, packages aren't that difficult.
3089[20:47:07] <jhutchins_wk> zleap: Looks like there's some good info if you search "alpine with imap".
3090[20:47:09] <somiaj> !tell brwoods about ssb
3091[20:47:38] <somiaj> !tell brwoods about package rebuild
3092[20:47:57] <jhutchins_wk> zleap: replaced-url
3093[20:47:58] <somiaj> brwoods: it might be as easy as download the source package from ubuntu, then 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc'
3094[20:48:03] <rander2> thx to all , I must go. To the next time :)
3095[20:48:09] <somiaj> brwoods: provided of course you have all the build depends installed.
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3097[20:48:19] <zleap> thanks
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3103[20:49:19] <brwoods> but I'm lazy... and git clone and git apply/am are easy. =x
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3105[20:49:48] <somiaj> yea, nothing wrong with installing it in /usr/local -- you could also file a wishlist bug to debian asking to add said patch.
3106[20:50:01] <wrksx_> amd gpu monitoring (cli) -> radeontop
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3109[20:50:23] <zleap> ok trying to follow this replaced-url
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3135[21:01:22] <_DeLa_> Hi there! I installed replaced-url
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3141[21:03:52] <ratrace> Lope: well yea but that's just wrong. hooks are used to create the initramfs image, and scripts are executed within initramfs. the reason why you don't build scripts from hooks is that initramfs building mechanism will take scripts from /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/... anyway; so separation of concerns, do one thing and do it well, etc... yadda yadda yadda.
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3154[21:11:05] <hiya> /sbin/ifconfig eth0 inet6 add 2a03:4000:2:bcb:1d1e:f02:11fe:1337/64 <-- it works. but when I add "up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 inet6 add 2a03:4000:2:bcb:1d1e:f02:11fe:1337/64" in interfaces file, it won't work
3155[21:11:12] <hiya> What could be it?
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3161[21:13:49] <dvs> hiya, because that's not the format for the interfaces file?
3162[21:14:03] <greycat> depends on *where* the line was placed...
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3181[21:24:35] <akuhcap> Hey apt keeps removing cached .deb packages, how can I configure it to keep all cached ones?
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3183[21:25:39] <mutante> akuhcap: normally you have to run "apt-get clean" for that to happen. i usually do that when running low on disk space. maybe apt-get clean is in a cron job?
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3186[21:27:16] <greycat> "apt-get" leaves the deb files. "apt" does not, at least not by default.
3187[21:28:12] <mutante> ah, ok. well.. then.. stop using apt and stick with apt-get .. i guess
3188[21:28:31] <greycat> I'm sure there's some way to configure it but it's not easy to find in the man pages.
3189[21:28:54] <akuhcap> Ok, the only reason i use apt instead of apt-* is because of the coloring, so thats not a big deal
3190[21:28:56] <greycat> I found something called "Clean" in apt.conf(5) but didn't dig into the context or test anything.
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3194[21:29:50] <mutante> replaced-url
3195[21:29:57] <mutante> Binary::apt::APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages "true";
3196[21:30:02] <mutante> akuhcap: or that ^
3197[21:30:22] <mutante> the lovely commandline of "apt -o APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages="true" install" :)
3198[21:30:25] * greycat searches for "Keep" in apt.conf(5), does not find that, is not terribly surprised. These man pages suck.
3199[21:30:45] <greycat> not in apt(8) either
3200[21:31:04] <mutante> indeed. they even comment there "this is option is not documented in the man-page for apt.conf, apt-config or apt_preferences" .. sigh
3201[21:31:21] <akuhcap> Maybe they ought to add them, i mean, debian is a pretty big distro
3202[21:31:57] <mutante> yea, except "they" is supposed to be us :)
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3204[21:32:09] <akuhcap> Lol
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3206[21:32:30] <coreyman> Can you disable the login prompt for serial ttyS0 so that I you don't have to login over serial console?
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3210[21:34:47] <greycat> You mean you want an automatic login as some user or other?
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3213[21:35:44] <FingerlessGloves> I've just install debian, I want to be able to access dropbear in the initram enviroment, so I installed dropbear-initramfs, I can't for the life of me get the server to start on the initram. I want to be able to unlock my ZFS encrypted system via SSH
3214[21:35:45] <greycat> replaced-url
3215[21:35:59] <greycat> probably also applies to debian 10
3216[21:36:50] <_DeLa_> I installed replaced-url
3217[21:36:53] <somiaj> !nodm
3218[21:36:53] <dpkg> In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
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3220[21:37:12] <somiaj> the nodm package provides an automatic login to console too
3221[21:38:32] <greycat> They said serial port, though. Not the regular console.
3222[21:38:48] <greycat> I'd try the "systemctl edit serial-getty@" thing first.
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3284[22:18:19] <bigterd> ok i'm back for some more fun. 6pk and good luck. who wants to evaluate my mdadm headache?
3285[22:18:35] <bigterd> i'll give kisses. and hugs. reach around's as well.
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3293[22:23:42] <coreyman> Thanks @greycat
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3301[22:26:27] <bigterd> i replaced a failed drive in a raid5 mdadm array. in the process, another drive dropped out. smartctl is showing no pending or serioius issues. the magic number of all devices is identical. one drive is showing almost 16 minutes of lagging update time. im' worried issuing a --scan --assemble might update the superblock and kill the array, because oddly as accurate --examine /dev/drives is showing, it
3302[22:26:33] <bigterd> wants to assemble them as a raid-0 array. ideas?
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3305[22:27:09] <coreyman> bigterd as far as I'm aware you need to rebuild the array restore from backup
3306[22:27:31] <coreyman> You can't lose more than one drive in raid5 in any circumstance
3307[22:28:11] <bigterd> that i agree. but, the filesystem was never mounted, not even in readonly mode.
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3309[22:28:33] <bigterd> so i had hopes assembly, or forced assembly is possible, as no data was being modified during rebuild.
3310[22:29:01] <coreyman> So the drive is fine?
3311[22:29:01] <bigterd> i'm using a bitmap, not sure if that helps or not.
3312[22:29:08] <coreyman> You said another drive dropped out.
3313[22:29:12] <coreyman> So I assumed it died.
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3315[22:29:35] <bigterd> oh no. i'm not sure wtf happened. i've pulled data from it start to end twice in a row. no read errors.
3316[22:29:38] <bigterd> flaky cable?
3317[22:29:52] <bigterd> it's on a super micro 8port card
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3323[22:30:58] <bigterd> the orginal drive, oh yeah, that's dying. thoustands of pending sectors. reason i've had the array in read only mode for a while. and lastnight i decided to offically fail the drive, and try and rebuild. then a 2nd one dropped out sometime lastnight, why i'm not exactly sure. but i'd be happy to assemble it as read only again.
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3326[22:31:26] <coreyman> What I would do is a ddrescue of each drive onto new drives and try the assemble.
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3328[22:31:32] <ratrace> bigterd: did you see that superuser post I linked you earlier?
3329[22:31:47] <bigterd> ratrace: yes i did, and actually i found another post that's even more simliar to my sitatuion
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3331[22:31:57] <bigterd> replaced-url
3332[22:31:58] <ratrace> bigterd: did you try the proposed solution by fixing mdadm.conf?
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3336[22:32:11] <bigterd> ratrace: not yet, i'm still reading and gathering ideas/opinions.
3337[22:32:29] <bigterd> ratrace: but i do apprecate the link. i've been pondering all day of other options before i got home
3338[22:32:44] <ratrace> bigterd: I don't think there are any
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3340[22:32:55] <ratrace> for your current situation I mean.
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3343[22:33:38] <bigterd> coreyman: and yes, i've been thinking of that as well. i'll have an undo button at the least
3344[22:33:39] <ratrace> bigterd: set the proper level in mdadm.conf and --force --assemble with all the members
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3348[22:34:11] <ratrace> bigterd: wait, you lost two drives in raid5?
3349[22:34:24] <coreyman> no , one became disconnected
3350[22:34:32] <coreyman> its good now
3351[22:34:34] <bigterd> ratrace: ^
3352[22:34:35] <ratrace> well that's essentailly a death blow to raid5
3353[22:34:44] <rkeene> I've lost 2 drives from a RAID5 (and recovered from it without data loss)
3354[22:34:46] <bigterd> yeah, but the array wasn't mounted at the time
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3357[22:35:57] <bigterd> ratrace: the config idea id try, but i don't know if i should attempt it on the questionable drives, or a ddrescued set just incase?
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3359[22:36:20] <bigterd> what i find weird is why did mdadm attempt to assemble them as a raid0 array? yet the --examine shows proper raid5 info?
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3361[22:36:41] <rkeene> replaced-url
3362[22:36:50] <bigterd> magic #'s are matching, and the update times are consistent, wit hthe exeception of the one that timed out
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3364[22:37:19] <bigterd> anyone want some pastbins before i continue?
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3368[22:39:20] <rkeene> bigterd, It shouldn't be too difficult but I've got Halloween plans for tonight
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3370[22:41:59] <bigterd> question, will issuing an --assemble --scan destory/modify/update/change superblock on devices called out for assembly?
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3375[22:44:22] <rkeene> Probably not, there's an -U option which says it will update... but if you're uncertain you can create read-only versions of the block devices
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3377[22:46:46] <bigterd> that's -o ark array as readonly, for misc mode. am i confusing options?
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3379[22:47:33] <rkeene> I mean you can consume the block devices and produce new, read-only block devices using something like "losetup" or "dmsetup"
3380[22:48:21] <bigterd> ohh
3381[22:48:47] <rkeene> e.g, losetup -r -f /dev/to-become-readonly
3382[22:48:54] <bigterd> would that be nearly identical to dropping $500 and DD'ing clones?
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3384[22:49:24] <rkeene> It'll just prevent mdadm from writing to the disks you don't want to write to
3385[22:49:42] <bigterd> that might be worth a few keystrokes, just to see if it'll assemble succesffully
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3389[22:51:26] <rkeene> I'm not positive losetup holds an exclusive lock on the underlying disks though so it may be possible to write to the underlying disks still, so care is required
3390[22:52:08] <jezebel> that's a name i havent seen in a long while, hi rkeene !
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3392[22:52:44] <bigterd> pooper. can anyone confirm that from past experience? thanks for the idea regardless rkeene
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3396[22:53:47] <coreyman> @greycat editing the serial-getty@ blew it up. Trying the other thing now.
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3404[22:56:14] <Spookled> you don't need to 'at' people coreyman, their client will highlight their nick if that's how they have it
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3416[23:00:11] <coreyman> spookled i have to do it in literally every other chat software i use. force of habit.
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3420[23:04:14] <zleap> ok, i think i have fixed some of alpine, I need to convince alpine to send e-mails from my e-mail not from local mail (which gets rejected as I can't send to external domains)
3421[23:05:00] <rkeene> jezebel, Hey !
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3424[23:05:23] <rkeene> bigterd, It's pretty trivial to test to see if losetup holds an exclusive
3425[23:06:09] <bigterd> rkeene: thanks again.
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3427[23:06:22] <bigterd> i'm currently dumping a bunch on mdadm info from devices
3428[23:06:26] <bigterd> of*
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3476[23:24:00] <bigterd> very dumb question. i sent an email to linux raid mailing list. what do i do now? wait? or send some pastebin info to them? or?
3477[23:24:09] <bigterd> honestly never used mailing lists. just irc...
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3480[23:24:39] <bigterd> the email was to subscribe. but how can i get my situation out to the other people subbed?
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3488[23:26:48] <rkeene> You'll get a subscription confirmation then you can just post to the mailing list and you'll see their responses
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3492[23:27:50] <mutante> bigterd: send another mail now that you are subscribed
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3494[23:28:12] <mutante> this time it should go to all the people on the list
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3500[23:32:08] <bigterd> mutante:
3501[23:32:10] <bigterd> mutante: thanks
3502[23:32:36] <bigterd> mutante: just curious, as i didn't get anything back yet, wasn't sure if i should continue
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3504[23:33:26] <mutante> bigterd: i dont know how long you have been waiting.. but email can take some time and it's Halloween night in many places
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3506[23:33:52] <bigterd> mutante: oh, i should wait for a confirmation regardless?
3507[23:34:46] <mutante> bigterd: if you got nothing at all so far.. yes. then you are probably waiting for a list admin to add you
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3510[23:35:25] <bigterd> halloween here too. sleet/rain/snow mix. not fun. kids did a school thing. good enough for me. not worth the risk of getting sick.
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3521[23:41:07] <mutante> bigterd: rain does not make you sick :)
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3530[23:46:29] <jim> that would depend on what's in the rain...
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3547[23:59:33] <amundsen> Hi. I've been googling about turning the default grub screen into the classic black and white one. I've tried 3 different ways but none succeeded. I'd like to know if any of you tried any successful solution
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