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4[00:01:38] <Latr_work> I wouldn't be too surprised about it
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6[00:03:01] <ratrace> annadane: I like ranger (terminal based file manager) a lot
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13[00:07:46] <LtL> fixit clinics that don't know linux should have their 'fixit' revoked ;)
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16[00:09:49] <LtL> i mean whoever heard of /home/root/ !! logged into X might just do that.
17[00:10:07] <LtL> as root, that is.
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21[00:11:35] <wskyx> there is no /home/root
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23[00:11:39] <wskyx> there is /root
24[00:11:52] <Latr_work> LtL: btw I do not understand the part 4 of ssb.. apt -b?
25[00:12:02] <Latr_work> that looks to be a illegal option
26[00:12:04] <LtL> wskyx: correct, except for gigglebyte
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29[00:13:59] <LtL> okay, seems i read that paste wrong, my mistake
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32[00:15:07] <LtL> gigglebyte has nothing in his ~ dir however. where its at, i dunno.
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34[00:15:33] <Latr_work> LtL: no worries. I get the idea anyways
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36[00:16:16] <Latr_work> LtL: I could sort out his mess if given ssh/rdp access.. However, I usually charge for it.
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39[00:17:14] <LtL> Latr_work: i don't charge but he has a mess going on.
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46[00:19:07] <Latr_work> I would have done it for free just because I use to get help here myself
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73[00:27:29] <Ether_Man> Anyone that could suggest a debian derivate that is designed to either 1. Run from USB in that it just loads from usb but loads it into RAM and such, so as to avoid writing to the usb as much as possible. or 2. designed to boot minimally from usb, but the system itself, along with all writing, is done on a multi drive btrfs array?
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88[00:40:59] <isthis4real57468> crazy question...has anyone successfully used an ubuntu kernel on debian...and managed to have keep updating from some ubuntu repo without bugs?
89[00:41:46] <dvs> !frankendebian
90[00:41:46] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
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92[00:44:22] <annadane> the kernel probably wouldn't pull in too many dependencies, though
93[00:44:32] <annadane> still, the ubuntu kernel is probably patched a bit for ubuntu
94[00:44:40] <annadane> you can just compile your own from upstream or use backports
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103[00:51:47] <c0rnelius> the kernel would pull in libc which would probably not be good.
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105[00:51:56] <c0rnelius> better off compiling ur own kernel
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107[00:53:42] <themill> [citation needed]
108[00:53:47] <c0rnelius> and depending on the distro "i'm not sure what ubuntu connects that too" but OpenSUSE for example connects that to all kinds of business, as do other distros.
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197[02:08:04] <freshboat> I'm trying to install Debian to an external 8TB Western Digital MyBook. Install seems fine, but I can't seem to boot it.
198[02:09:03] <freshboat> Tried all kinds of variations of "secure boot" and "legacy" -- etc. I don't think it's an issue with BIOS. Somehow, it's a boot record issue or something. But I'm not sure how to figure it out
199[02:09:43] <epsilon> the installer should have asked you to install grub. did you installed it on the external disk?
200[02:10:42] <freshboat> I believe it installed Grub on the external disk by default
201[02:10:47] <freshboat> Should it not have?
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204[02:12:07] <epsilon> you host does not list the external disk as bootable media? (should be some F-Key make you able to choose the boot device)
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209[02:14:24] <epsilon> and when you installed debian, was your host runnig as UEFI or legay/BIOS? If UEFI, was a UEFI partition created during the installation?
210[02:15:00] <freshboat> epsilon: it is not listed. also, UEFI.
211[02:15:30] <freshboat> I'm also not sure of the UEFI partition being created. I used Rufus to create the bootable media USB drive with the debian installation image
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220[02:26:25] <oxek> I am trying to adapt this guide to debian replaced-url
221[02:26:40] <oxek> does debian have a FILES=... option anywhere?
222[02:27:08] <oxek> because debian does not use /etc/mkinitcpio.conf, and initramfs.conf does not seem to support FILES=
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227[02:29:59] <karlpinc> oxek: See the README.Debian in the cryptfs package.
228[02:30:02] <karlpinc> !readme.debian
229[02:30:03] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
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233[02:33:37] <oxek> karlpinc: I've read replaced-url
234[02:34:59] <freshboat> epsilon: should I have installed Grub to the SSD with my windows installation?
235[02:35:02] <freshboat> my internetal drive
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239[02:35:43] <freshboat> For some reason I couldn't see any messages
240[02:35:50] <freshboat> This Kiwi IRC is great, apparently
241[02:36:03] <freshboat> anyway epsilon: should I have installed grub to the external HDD or internal SSD
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243[02:36:42] <tpanarch1st> Hi, i'm getting the following error on systemctl restart networking - Job for networking.service failed because the control process exited with error code. - I checked for more information and got replaced-url
244[02:36:43] <tpanarch1st> logical name (ens18) so I tried that and it is still failing to raise the network interface
245[02:37:48] <tpanarch1st> running Debian Buster
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276[03:16:23] <freshboat> K so I cannot figure out why in the holy CRAP this thing will not boot from this external HDD
277[03:16:48] <freshboat> It's GPT. UEFI. Debian is installed. Does not show up as a bootable device. What am I doing wrong?
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294[03:30:20] <oxek> freshboat: still here?
295[03:30:30] <freshboat> oxek: yes sir
296[03:30:37] <oxek> where does it not show up?
297[03:30:43] <oxek> as bootable
298[03:31:14] <oxek> in the UEFI boot menu?
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303[03:32:27] <oxek> the disk is GPT partitioned, that's good
304[03:32:35] <oxek> do you have an ESP partition on it?
305[03:32:51] <oxek> is it formatted as FAT32, with a minimum size of 260MiB?
306[03:33:07] <oxek> do you have the additional /boot partition?
307[03:33:19] <oxek> are you using GRUB or rEFInd?
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309[03:33:31] <oxek> any other systems installed or just debian?
310[03:33:39] <oxek> etc. please provide more info
311[03:34:07] <freshboat> oxek: Is there some kind of program I can use to see the types of partitions listed on the drive?
312[03:34:15] <freshboat> Windows Disk Management isn't ....very detailed
313[03:34:31] <oxek> no idea on windows
314[03:34:36] <freshboat> oxek: yes there is an EFI partition
315[03:34:44] <freshboat> it is 512MB
316[03:34:52] <freshboat> oxek: read this and tell me if it would matter
317[03:34:58] <freshboat> replaced-url
318[03:35:42] <oxek> freshboat: first thing comes to mind - did you disable the windows special hibernation?
319[03:35:46] <oxek> that will mess with many things
320[03:35:49] <freshboat> oxek: no. brb, let me try something
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421[05:18:02] <_pepo_> Hi friends, I've installed testing (bullseye) but I received an error message about security updates, I had to change mi sources.list from bullseye/updates to bullseye-security/updates and everything works well
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431[05:26:35] <themill> !bullseye-security
432[05:26:35] <dpkg> Security updates in testing are delayed by the normal testing migration *and* may be further delayed by missing dependencies, etc. See replaced-url
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508[07:05:20] <guky> yo
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570[07:58:37] <bernyrd> hello anyone aware of rough equivalent to replaced-url
571[07:58:51] <bernyrd> GUI kind of required, I know how to get some of those stats otherwise
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598[08:27:23] <bolt> bernyrd: perhaps replaced-url
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838[11:21:08] <wrksx> Is there a file that can be use to set environement variables for the cronjobs?
839[11:21:36] <wrksx> Or should I do it in the crontab directly?
840[11:21:53] <nkuttler> wrksx: yes, the crontab itself, man 5 crontab
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842[11:22:39] <wrksx> nkuttler: ty, reading
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844[11:22:55] <jelly> wrksx: cron service is PAM enabled and also reads "global" /etc/environment, but that applies to almost every interactive login as well
845[11:25:01] <wrksx> jelly: oh I didn't know this one... Apears to be empty by default. Thanks
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908[12:03:21] <OS-58042> /join #offsec
909[12:03:53] <wasamasa> without a space at the beginning
910[12:04:07] <OS-58042> thanks
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917[12:06:37] <ratrace> OS-58042: NO
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919[12:06:54] <ratrace> jelly: can we get a permaban on this clown?
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930[12:10:54] <FinalX> pretty sure it's people sort of following this guide or whatever: replaced-url
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932[12:11:05] <FinalX> or maybe they have some stupid webchat
933[12:11:11] <themill> ratrace: I suspect that you're conflating multiple people
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935[12:11:44] <FinalX> though, banning OS-* might not be a bad idea, anyone actually doing that and joining here should probably not be in here anyway
936[12:11:57] <FinalX> "how about you use a normal nick"
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941[12:13:02] <themill> meh, once per week is not worth filling a ban list for and dealing with the other bleating that would likely ensue.
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943[12:13:22] <FinalX> I guess
944[12:13:24] <ratrace> themill: maybe if they're all OS-\d+ and I'm not keeping track of the \d+ part :)
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949[12:13:58] <ratrace> but they're ALL joining as OS-\d+ then issuing /join #offsec, or "failing" to /msg nickserv, etc...
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952[12:14:56] <ratrace> btw, they do that in multiple channels
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954[12:16:53] <FinalX> tbh if those are the people doing the pentest courses and exams, I fear they'll probably either not succeed or we got nothing to worry about when they want to use it for harm
955[12:17:06] <FinalX> ..with something as basic as this
956[12:18:23] <FinalX> hmm, maybe they're default settings in Kali's HexChat(?) .. curious now
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960[12:19:22] <FinalX> and Kali is Debian-derived, so stands to reason #debian would be amongst its default channels
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999[12:34:48] <wasamasa> they are
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1001[12:35:00] <wasamasa> banning newbies is a stupid idea
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1003[12:36:01] <Lope> ratrace, are you around bud?
1004[12:36:10] <ratrace> Lope: partially
1005[12:36:28] <ratrace> wasamasa: it's the same nick over and over and over again
1006[12:36:33] <Lope> I want to set my server's IP with the dropbear iniramfs thingy and some guy's post said he tried 2 diff ways to set the IP and neither worked.
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1008[12:36:44] <Lope> ratrace, so I'm wondering how you set your server's IP?
1009[12:36:44] <wasamasa> ratrace: hence why you teach them how to do it, like any newbie
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1011[12:37:03] <wasamasa> ratrace: personally, I think it's a mistake for debian to have patched hexchat to default to #debian when connecting to freenode
1012[12:37:21] <wasamasa> ratrace: I've confirmed that the image the #offsec courses are using behaves the same
1013[12:37:35] <ratrace> Lope: I use systemd-networkd
1014[12:37:40] <wasamasa> ratrace: and since it hardly if ever gets updates, the issue will persist
1015[12:37:53] <Lope> ratrace, is that initramfs-able?
1016[12:37:58] <ratrace> Lope: I bind the NIC ethX to its MAC via a .link unit, and I define static IP via a .network unit
1017[12:38:00] <FinalX> wasamasa: newbies using a penetration testing Linux distribution, or following a course for penetration testing.. if you're *that* new, you shouldn't be using Kali or doing a pentest course tbh.
1018[12:38:49] <ratrace> wasamasa: hence the permaban :) wannabe haxxors anyway.
1019[12:38:53] <Lope> FinalX, but everyone wants to be 1337. I agree that it's bad for hexchat to autojoin #debian. Maybe #debian-help or something.
1020[12:39:12] <wasamasa> FinalX: they're doing the course to get to the level of being employable
1021[12:39:39] <ratrace> Lope: no, I don't know, wait are you asking how do I set up static IP in the initramfs? Using the initramfs-tools conf.d config file with IP= directive in it
1022[12:39:44] <FinalX> I've got 11 of those certs to my name, but I did it because I think it's fun :)
1023[12:39:46] <Lope> ratrace, can you please show relevant example files?
1024[12:40:06] <ratrace> Lope: for the initramfs or regular networkd config?
1025[12:40:06] <Lope> ratrace, yes, static ip in the initramfs for dropbear
1026[12:41:17] <wasamasa> ratrace: imagine for a moment if #freenode banned every user who accidentally sent nickserv commands to the channel
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1028[12:41:26] <ratrace> Lope: /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/initramfs-network.conf: replaced-url
1029[12:42:12] <ratrace> Lope: IP=10.0.0.50::10.0.0.1:255.255.255.0:serverhostname:eth0
1030[12:43:11] <Lope> ratrace, Thanks bud. where do you set your dropbear port number?
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1032[12:43:27] <FinalX> wasamasa: that's no comparison; these are people deliberately using an Offensive Security Debian-derived Linux distribution that's not meant for general desktop use. If you use it, you know what you're choosing. And you are likely to be following an extremely difficult course. Those courses also don't teach you everything, you need a basis to build on..
1033[12:43:43] <ratrace> Lope: /etc/dropbear-initramfs-config :: DROPBEAR_OPTIONS='-p {{ ssh_port }}'
1034[12:43:52] <wasamasa> FinalX: the courses start off from basic shell scripting, so nope
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1037[12:44:03] <ratrace> Lope: eh that's /etc/dropbear-initramfs/config
1038[12:44:12] <wasamasa> FinalX: in any case, I don't see why you'd special-case that particular group
1039[12:44:45] <Lope> ratrace, sweet, thanks. I was quite surprised to find out that dropbear doesn't support ED25519. Although there's some github project for it. Looks a tad outdated.
1040[12:45:46] <ratrace> Lope: btw, there's a bug or whatever in that dropbear can't use openssh's hostkeys you need to recreate them in PEM format so dropbear can reuse them. That way you won't have different hostkeys between initramfs unlocking and regular ssh login.
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1042[12:46:33] <ratrace> Lope: basically, my debootstrap deployment does this: rm /etc/ssh/ssh_host_* ; ssh-keygen -A -m PEM after installing openssh-server
1043[12:46:47] <Lope> ratrace, yeah, I'm aware of that. my solution was to put the dropbear on a different port :/
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1045[12:47:06] <ratrace> Lope: sure you can do that via DROPBEAR_OPTIONS in its config file
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1047[12:47:20] <ratrace> that's two keys logged by ssh client's known_hosts
1048[12:47:35] <Lope> It is a bit more clutter having 2 keys.
1049[12:47:39] <ratrace> (because two ports, that's what I mean -- if you use different ports, you'll just have to confirm twice)
1050[12:47:46] <Lope> But I figured there's also diagnostic benefit.
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1052[12:47:55] <ratrace> Lope: no no, not two keys... two entries in known_hosts, if you use different ports
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1054[12:47:57] <Lope> Like the server will only listen on the dropbear port if it hasn't booted.
1055[12:48:08] <Lope> And will only listen on the main ssh port once it's booted.
1056[12:48:20] <ratrace> that's fine
1057[12:48:52] <Lope> ah, I meant 2 host keys. Because I note all my host keys, so when I connect if it asks me to confirm, I can.
1058[12:48:53] <ratrace> my indicator is just different user. initramfs is root, regular ssh is not root
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1060[12:49:18] <Lope> I actually note the host key FP's in md5 and sha256 lolz
1061[12:49:32] <Lope> ratrace, fair enough
1062[12:49:37] <ratrace> Lope: well the ssh client remembers them the first time and you don't have to re-confirm each time
1063[12:49:49] <Lope> did you see my comment above about dropbear lacking ed25519 support?
1064[12:49:57] <ratrace> yes but I didn't delve that deep into it
1065[12:50:35] <Lope> I reckon RSA's goose is cooked now that quantum is here. edcsa is probably BD'd and DSA is dead.
1066[12:50:44] <Lope> So the dropbear options aren't amazing.
1067[12:51:02] <ratrace> if anyone wants to bust into my servers with a quantum computer is welcome :)
1068[12:51:10] <Lope> ratrace, hahahaha
1069[12:51:24] <Lope> well, anyone can rent time on dwave and whatever else these days.
1070[12:51:26] <ratrace> they'll probably use that quantum computer to teleport me and waterboard me until I spit out the passphrase
1071[12:51:34] <ratrace> so I don't care if I use just RSA :)
1072[12:51:58] <ratrace> Lope: they'd first have to mitm the server though...
1073[12:52:15] <ratrace> and if they can do THAT.... I don't care about RSA, tehy probably trojaned my initramfs
1074[12:54:12] <Lope> you mean to be able to reboot it?
1075[12:54:35] <ratrace> to do whatever with it.
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1077[12:55:33] <Lope> fair enough. i deleted the DSA and ECDSA keys for dropbear, only the RSA one is there. it seems to not complain. I didn't manually tell dropbear to only use RSA. Should I? if so where? :)
1078[12:55:39] <ratrace> balance of probabilities. I don't care about that because anyone with a quantum computer and ability to MITM my server in order to use that computer to break my weak RSA keys LIKELY has enough resources to break in, in a myriad other ways, not excluding kidnapping me and waterboarding.
1079[12:56:30] <ratrace> Lope: dropbear uses your root's authorized_keys
1080[12:57:04] <Lope> for now breaking RSA is a little out-there. But with the democratization of quantum I don't expect it to last long.
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1082[12:57:30] <ratrace> Lope: oh btw I just checked... my dropbears are using the ecdsa hos tkeys
1083[12:57:44] <Lope> hmm, tasty BD
1084[12:57:52] <Lope> :P
1085[12:57:57] <ratrace> it's still ec.... :)
1086[12:58:18] <Lope> |\|5/\ Welcome
1087[12:58:55] <Lope> ahaha, whatever :) same thing applies. If they want in, they'll get in.
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1089[12:59:14] <ratrace> they can call me and ask for a favor, no need to spend money and resources trying to break in covertly :)
1090[12:59:42] <ratrace> I mean srsly.... if NSA wants in, call me. You already got my phone number guys :)
1091[12:59:44] <Lope> yeah since they can get in whenever they want they might as well give me some money and save themselves the trouble.
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1095[13:00:18] <Lope> Imagine putting up a credit card payment thing where anyone willing to pay enough gets root keys.
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1097[13:00:46] <ratrace> Lope: on a more serious note, if the push comes to shove and I needed better security there, I can always whip up my own initramfs with full blown openssh. Wouldn't be the first time I did that.
1098[13:01:00] <Lope> Wow, you've got skills.
1099[13:01:22] <ratrace> lol it's so easy to build your own initramfs, you'd be like "WTH did I not try this sooner!"
1100[13:01:22] <Mo7Qt0> Hi2All! Anybody setting up dovecot-antispam with spamassassin in debian 9 with scripts in this guide? replaced-url
1101[13:01:25] <Mo7Qt0> If I launch script sa-learn-spam.sh or sa-learn-ham.sh manually, got error: /usr/lib/dovecot/sieve/sa-learn-spam.sh: 4: /usr/lib/dovecot/sieve/sa-learn-spam.sh: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string
1102[13:01:32] <Mo7Qt0> And spamc return code 64.
1103[13:01:42] <ratrace> Lope: infact, the kernel source tree has a script that does all that, you just supply the rootfs with all the bits it needs.
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1105[13:02:43] <Lope> replaced-url
1106[13:02:54] <Lope> replaced-url
1107[13:02:58] <ratrace> Mo7Qt0: there's also #dovecot here on freenode, if nobody replies. fwiw, why do you deal with spam in dovecot, instead of at the MTA level, before LMTP?
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1109[13:03:11] <ratrace> Lope: cute :)
1110[13:04:20] <Lope> ratrace, if it's so easy to build an initramfs that begs the question, why bother with dropbear and it's key bullshit and lack of ed25519?
1111[13:05:07] <ratrace> Lope: because building initramfs, while easy itself, still requires me to build a custom initramfs package that would get installed INSTEAD of the default one whenever the default one would update
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1113[13:05:20] <Lope> ah, fair enough.
1114[13:05:29] <Lope> Pity they haven't streamlined that.
1115[13:05:31] <ratrace> ie. custom package management OR have a whole kernel + initramfs done manually and packaged as a single whole, but then dependencies etc.... blah blah.
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1117[13:05:51] <Mo7Qt0> ratrace: I am trying to set up behavior similar to dovecot antispam. I need the spamassassin to do the training on the letter, which is put in the spam folder and training on the letter which is put in the inbox from spam.
1118[13:06:04] <Lope> Although I've raised the ed25519 issue with you, (because you're my local dropbear expert) I've not actually started using it anywhere yet, lol.
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1120[13:06:24] <ratrace> Lope: I did that on gentoo btw, built my own initramfs-es, much much easier than having to deal with debian packaging.
1121[13:06:33] <ratrace> Lope: lol :)
1122[13:06:34] <Lope> haven't had time. ok
1123[13:06:39] <nurupo> doesn't Debian Buster come with nftables installed by default? getting `sudo: nft: command not found` here
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1125[13:07:07] <oiaohm> Lope: replaced-url
1126[13:07:52] <Lope> oiaohm, I have zero surprise. I wonder why there isn't an openssh-server initramfs package?
1127[13:07:57] <ratrace> nurupo: no I think you need to install the nftables package.
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1129[13:08:53] <nurupo> ratrace: thanks!
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1133[13:09:26] <ratrace> oiaohm: openssh has more, if the criteria here is "let's compare the number of CVEs over the years" :)
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1135[13:11:00] <Lope> ratrace, `dropbearkey -y -f dropbear_rsa_host_key` shows the FP in md5 format. Any idea how to get sha256?
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1139[13:12:09] <ratrace> Lope: you create them with openssl anyway, so it's an openssl option?
1140[13:12:18] <vlt> Hello. Is there an easier way to rotate an image (by an arbitrary float angle) while keeping the original size using netpbm than to first apply pnmrotate and then pnmcut using half of the difference between new and old width and height as its -left and -top parameters? Did I miss the tool that already does exactly that?
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1143[13:13:37] <oiaohm> ratrace: its the grade of flaws turning up in Dropbear. Openssh has way more complete quality assurance process this is showing up in the level of exploits that are being found in it.
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1145[13:14:04] <ratrace> vlt: you sure you're asking in the right channel? :)
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1148[13:14:29] <oiaohm> ratrace: dropbear is basically where openssh was over 10 + years ago before it got pounded by attackers and lifted their qa game.
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1150[13:15:33] <ratrace> oiaohm: maybe, but having dropbear active for several seconds once in a few months imho outweighs the hassle of building a custom initramfs package with openssh in it
1151[13:15:51] <Lope> ratrace, that's what I was thinking :P
1152[13:15:53] <Lope> hahahahahaha
1153[13:16:55] <vlt> ratrace: Well, my Debian came with netpbm by default. I thought someone else here might be using that.
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1156[13:17:27] <ratrace> vlt: well then, I'd just use convert from ImageMagick
1157[13:17:39] <oiaohm> Lope: ratrace you have to remember the ssh interface is one of the most scanned for and attacked.
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1159[13:17:57] <ratrace> oiaohm: nah, I have YET to see a single bot attempt on the nonstandard port
1160[13:18:10] <ratrace> since 2008-ish when I started paying attention to that
1161[13:18:13] <Lope> oiaohm, yes, but it's on a non-standard port and as ratrace says, only running for a few seconds
1162[13:18:17] <Lope> the risk is quite low.
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1165[13:18:34] <oiaohm> Non standard port means you tweak it off default settings.
1166[13:18:41] <ratrace> the risk is so low, I could run root login with "root" for password and I would NOT have been breached in the past 11 years
1167[13:18:43] <oiaohm> You have to remember problem so you do that.
1168[13:18:59] <Lope> oiaohm, what do you mean?
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1172[13:20:10] <oiaohm> Lope: default distribution dropbear server in initramfs will start up on standard port 22 straight in bot target zone.
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1175[13:21:02] <ratrace> oiaohm: we're already past that, Lope knows that and even asked how to set up different port for it, scroll up
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1183[13:25:41] <vlt> ratrace: ImageMagick's convert behaves nearly exactly the same (except that it rotates clock-wise and fills the new canvas area with white background instead of black). Is there an option to make do what I need?
1184[13:26:02] <vlt> make *it do
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1187[13:26:38] <Lope> ratrace, I'm trying to connect to my dropbear test system on my LAN, I'm getting a totally different SSH fingerprint. is the RSA host key located at: /etc/dropbear-initramfs/dropbear_rsa_host_key ?
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1190[13:28:08] <ratrace> Lope: by default it is, yes
1191[13:28:09] <Lope> ratrace, the good news is that dropbear is listening on the correct IP and port
1192[13:28:18] <ratrace> Lope: did you update-initramfs after changes?
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1194[13:28:36] <Lope> thats very odd. yes. However I'm using openssh-client as a client
1195[13:28:43] <Lope> and dropbear as a server. Is that legit?
1196[13:28:51] <ratrace> Lope: btw how did you create the key? if you're using openssh's hostkeys you need to dropbearconvert them first
1197[13:28:57] <ratrace> Lope: sure is
1198[13:29:13] <Lope> so it's possible that the host key has a different MD5 when viewed by dropbear vs openssh
1199[13:29:28] <Lope> The weird thing is that the MD5 of the host key is unusually long.
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1201[13:30:25] <ratrace> Lope: I never looked into it. I know that I'm reusing (dropbearconvert'd) openssh host keys (after re-creating them in PEM formaT) and my openssh-client is not complaining about different hostkeys between initramfs and regular openssh-server
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1203[13:30:43] <cinesc> hi is there someone who can pentest routers and computers for free? A user named Anonymous72 was kind enough to do it to help out someone in need of help to find something wrong with their equipment.
1204[13:31:20] <Lope> a RSA 4096 bit key md5 fingerprint for a openssh key is 47 bytes. The FP for the dropbear 4096 bit RSA key is 59 bytes.
1205[13:31:29] <Lope> characters, not bytes.
1206[13:31:43] <wasamasa> cinesc: I can only imagine ##security to fall for that
1207[13:32:29] <cinesc> Guess I´ll go there if what I seek a helping hand for is more relevant there than over here.
1208[13:32:46] <Lope> ratrace, openssh 4096 bit RSA md5 FP is 16 bytes. Dropbear 4096 RSA md5 FP is 20 bytes.
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1211[13:33:27] <Lope> ratrace, I created my host key thusly: dropbearkey -t rsa -f blah -s 4096
1212[13:33:31] <Lope> Will regen it now.
1213[13:33:50] <ratrace> Lope: but then openssh-server own't be able to use it
1214[13:33:58] <ratrace> Lope: you need literally the same key file between them
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1216[13:34:16] <Lope> wow, okay this is the part of the guides that confused me...
1217[13:34:50] <choice> Hmm... I just typed this and it hangs. Why? rsync -avin --exclude '.git' somedir/ somehost:/some/dir/
1218[13:34:52] <Lope> openssh servers have their own key. The client does not need the private or public key at all to connect.
1219[13:35:05] <Lope> I thought dropbear would function the same?
1220[13:35:09] <ratrace> Lope: replaced-url
1221[13:35:10] <choice> How can that hang forever?
1222[13:35:33] <Lope> in order to connect, the client only needs to know the fingerprint of the host's key, but doesn't need the private or public key of the server.
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1224[13:35:41] <Lope> And the server only needs the client's public key.
1225[13:35:43] <ratrace> Lope: host keys are separtae from priv/pub client keys
1226[13:35:47] <ratrace> *separate
1227[13:36:04] <Lope> well yes, the host key you basically just have a private key... right?
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1231[13:36:22] <ratrace> choice: can you, literally just `ssh somehost` with no extra options ?
1232[13:36:37] <ratrace> Lope: no, hostkeys are something else, they represent the host, not the client
1233[13:36:43] <choice> ratrace: Ha! I typoed the host! Thanks!
1234[13:37:20] <ratrace> Lope: when you install openssh-server, the postinst scripts create them. Thing is, dropbear uses its own format so you need to dropbearconvert them. BUT.... dropbearconvert needs them in PEM format because it's stupid like that, hence the two steps.
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1237[13:37:52] <Lope> ratrace, I'm aware that host keys represent the host. I normally create host keys like so: ssh-keygen -o -a 100 -t rsa -b 4096 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key -N ''
1238[13:38:04] <Lope> (I know the -a 100 is superflous)
1239[13:38:16] <ratrace> Lope: that's fine, now you just need -m PEM for dropbearconvert to be able to read them
1240[13:38:18] <Lope> (for an unencrypted host key)
1241[13:38:35] <ratrace> then call up dropbearconvert to convert them into dropbear format, like in that paste I posted
1242[13:38:49] <ratrace> Lope: and straight output converted into /etc/dropbear-initramfs/...
1243[13:38:57] <Lope> ratrace, I was looking at your paste yes. Can openssh use keys in PEM format?
1244[13:39:03] <ratrace> Lope: sure
1245[13:39:22] <Lope> Excellent, okay well that simplifies things having one host key, Will try that :))) thanks buddy
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1256[13:40:43] <ratrace> Lope: I thought you did that already. When I first mentioned dropbear will need hostkeys in PEM format you said you were "aware of that".
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1268[13:48:43] <Lope> ratrace, yes, I meant I was aware that they need keys in a different format. So I generated a RSA key with dropbear, only to be used by the dropbear server.
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1270[13:49:17] <Lope> I didn't realize that openssh-client's view of that key's fingerprint wouldn't match what dropbear said the host key's FP was.
1271[13:49:22] <Lope> Anyway, all sorted now.
1272[13:49:30] <Lope> Now I've logged into busybox!
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1274[13:50:06] <Lope> ratrace, at this point, I've seen people use some non-trivial scripts to unlock the LUKS
1275[13:50:22] <Lope> what do you recommend at this point?
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1278[13:50:55] <Lope> hehe fdisk -l doesn't work. this is ... interesting.
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1280[13:51:54] <ratrace> Lope: depends what you want. Debian has by default the ability to do this: replaced-url
1281[13:52:22] <ratrace> Lope: I use a custom script which enables both active ssh and passive fetch from our keyserver
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1283[13:52:35] <Lope> replaced-url
1284[13:53:10] <Lope> I pressed ctrl-F nothing happened?
1285[13:53:22] <Lope> oh sorry, that was retarded, nevermind.
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1287[13:53:35] <Lope> I thought you meant ctrl-F inside the ssh session :)
1288[13:53:43] <ratrace> heh :)
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1292[13:57:25] <Lope> brilliant, it worked! :))) thanks man
1293[13:57:30] <ratrace> Lope: you're welcome :)
1294[13:57:39] <Lope> ratrace, lastly, do you know how to unlock multiple LUKS with the same key?
1295[13:57:56] <ratrace> Lope: btw, there's a hidden gotcha with that passfifo method, if you have multiple disks, you have to do that echo for each. it's not obvious
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1298[13:58:12] <ratrace> that's one of the reasons I use a custom script it automagically applies to all LUKS partitions it sees
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1301[13:58:27] <ratrace> Lope: oh you just asked about that lol :)
1302[13:58:30] <Lope> oh, so I just run the same echo command multiple times? do I need a sleep inbetween?
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1304[13:59:01] <ratrace> Lope: I don't think it's needed
1305[13:59:20] <Lope> so you just have the echo command repeated as many times as you have luks volumes?
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1308[14:00:24] <ratrace> that's teh drawback of that method yes. But then, you can easily script your own unlocker. Just make it into a local-top initramfs script
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1311[14:00:51] <Lope> it's quite weird not being able to see the prompt from the boot-process where it asks for the password for the LUKS volume. Is there a way to dump that into the SSH session?
1312[14:00:54] <ratrace> Lope: I think you'll then need to not use cryptsetup-initramfs at all or else they'll conflict, but I'm not sure. I'm not using it anyway.
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1314[14:01:07] <Lope> I'm not automating this yet. Initially I'll be rebooting and unlocking manually.
1315[14:01:15] <ratrace> Lope: probably not except via console serial something something
1316[14:01:53] <Lope> okay? I'm guessing dmesg isn't available?
1317[14:02:06] <ratrace> it is
1318[14:02:20] <ratrace> but there's no prompt in the dmesg? wait, what are you asking about?
1319[14:02:33] <Lope> hmm, but probably not of a huge amount of use
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1321[14:02:46] <greycat> maybe they mistakenly think dmesg contains all messages written to the console
1322[14:02:58] <Lope> Well, yes, there's no prompt. But it's just weird logging into busybox and trusting what state the server *should* be in.
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1324[14:03:17] <Lope> it's always nice to see that the server is alive before you start entering passwords :)
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1328[14:04:26] <ratrace> Lope: yeah the prompt won't be visible in dmesg
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1330[14:04:58] <ratrace> Lope: a hint that I use for that is different users. if it's root, then that's initramfs, else it's regular ssh login
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1332[14:05:16] <Lope> yeah.
1333[14:05:27] <Lope> I'm going to try get dmesg now, just for interest's sake
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1337[14:06:15] <Lope> okay, just typing dmesg gave me some boot messages. I like to see that. Makes me feel warm and cozy inside.
1338[14:06:29] <ratrace> Lope: for extra security you can loopback-mount a urandom-pass encrypted temporary file representing a block device; then you scp your key to there and have a custom initramfs script excpect it, and use for unlocking.
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1341[14:06:57] <ratrace> if that echo "plaintext password here" is a concern :)
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1343[14:07:24] <Lope> interesting. For something like this my first response would be to run the unlock as an SSH command.
1344[14:07:34] <ratrace> btw I prefer keyfiles. I can't log into my servers on the console as the keyfile I use is full binary.
1345[14:07:38] <Lope> I suppose I can string the echo's together with && ?
1346[14:08:04] <ratrace> Lope: sure
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1348[14:08:18] <ratrace> when I was using a passfifo method, I just a did a for loop :)
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1350[14:08:52] <ratrace> oh we have 4 disks to unlock? for I in {1..4} ; do ....
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1353[14:09:49] <Lope> oh, brilliant, that's a great looking solution. :D
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1356[14:10:07] <Lope> so busybox handles for loops. cool.
1357[14:10:21] <ratrace> it's a hacky lame workaround.... we have a nice custom script that..... instead..... uhhh..... blkid's all LUKS partitions then does a for loop over them a ahahahaha
1358[14:10:43] <Lope> hahahahaha
1359[14:11:22] <ratrace> I _was_ going to use kernel command line to pass disks I wanted unlock to the custom script, or simply just keep on using the crypttab standard, but this was deceptively simple and one of those "we'll fix it later".... <spongebob: two years later>
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1362[14:12:03] <Lope> yep. I've learned the best is to just do something simple, get shit done and move on.
1363[14:12:09] <Lope> If it aint broke, don't fix it.
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1365[14:12:26] <ratrace> true.
1366[14:12:26] <Lope> I'm going to get a coffee. I'd get you one, but... bit far.
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1368[14:12:37] <ratrace> nah, I don't drink coffee anyway, but thanks :)
1369[14:13:13] <Lope> ^-^
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1371[14:13:46] <ratrace> If you feel overburdened by money though, make a donation to a FOSS project you like :)
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1374[14:19:30] <annadane> at least you didn't get yourself into replaced-url
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1382[14:26:19] <ratrace> lol
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1387[14:33:03] <tsglove> Good morning. If I wanted to setup a local apt repository... would that be "setting up a debian repository"? Something along this lines? --> replaced-url
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1390[14:34:54] <themill> ,i local-apt-repository
1391[14:34:55] <judd> Package local-apt-repository (admin, optional) in buster/amd64: Ready to use local apt repository. Version: 0.6; Size: 5.7k; Installed: 33k
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1393[14:35:04] <tsglove> themill, thanks!!
1394[14:35:07] <themill> tsglove: ^^ depending on your use case
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1397[14:35:35] <tsglove> I'll check that out. It's that I have a couple of machines locally, and I want to see if I can minimize the bandwidth in/out. They're all Debian10, which he
1398[14:35:41] <tsglove> *which helps the cause
1399[14:35:59] <themill> Is it really an apt proxy that you're looking for?
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1403[14:37:07] <greycat> I just use a regular squid proxy.
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1405[14:37:38] <hwm4rgs> We used a squid for caching updates for 60 debian boxes with great success
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1410[14:40:39] <wrksx> I found debconf quite nice to configure exim last time, is there a way to know what package supports debconf?
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1412[14:41:02] <wrksx> Like let's say I install samba, can I use dpkg-reconfigure samba-config?
1413[14:41:11] <wrksx> Is it just something to try?
1414[14:41:17] <greycat> only if samba-config is the name of a package
1415[14:41:31] <greycat> ,info exim4-config
1416[14:41:32] <judd> Package exim4-config (mail, optional) in buster/amd64: configuration for the Exim MTA (v4). Version: 4.92-8+deb10u1; Size: 315.5k; Installed: 985k; Homepage: replaced-url
1417[14:41:37] <greycat> it's an actual package name
1418[14:41:44] <wrksx> Ha right, I didn't get it
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1420[14:42:01] <greycat> the other one that's commonly done with dpkg-reconfigure is locales
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1422[14:43:11] <wrksx> Okay, so there are just a few packages known to use debconf.
1423[14:43:49] <wrksx> Is the -config suffix a common scheme? like you do dpkg-reconfigure locales-config?
1424[14:43:56] <greycat> Nope. Special one-off case.
1425[14:44:09] <wrksx> Aright ty
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1427[14:44:23] <greycat> "dpkg-reconfigure locales", "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata", "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" because the exim4 people are not normal human beings
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1429[14:45:27] <wrksx> Yes having a split package for config seems weird to me. Is that an exception too?
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1432[14:45:39] <greycat> For a while, X had a debconf interface as well. That died a long time back.
1433[14:45:58] <greycat> Nowadays, the pattern is not to have a static X config at all, and let X figure it out on the fly.
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1493[15:18:42] <fireba11> what (lightweight) mailserver is suggested for debian so local scripts etc. can send mail? ssmtpd is not maintained anymore i just found out ...
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1496[15:20:05] <abrotman> fireba11: you mean to a smarthost?
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1498[15:20:22] <abrotman> dpkg: nullmailer
1499[15:20:22] <dpkg> well, nullmailer is a minimal <MTA> for hosts which just sends directly to smart relays. Does not support /etc/aliases; define a catch-all alias in /etc/nullmailer/adminaddr instead, see adminaddr(5). replaced-url
1500[15:20:26] <fireba11> abrotman: yes, i run a proper mailserver and just need something on every other box to relay mails to it
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1503[15:21:01] <abrotman> obviously you can setup exim/postfix to do the same
1504[15:21:35] <fireba11> not exactly leightweight :-D
1505[15:22:58] <ratrace> fireba11: dma
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1513[15:29:29] <jak2000> hi all, i want share a folder, but not ask me user/password how to? thanks
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1521[15:35:00] <abrotman> share a folder via what? on the filesystem? via samba? nfs?
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1524[15:35:19] <greycat> I'm guessing they want to share with Windows clients, therefore samba.
1525[15:35:28] <greycat> Granted, I could be wrong.
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1535[15:40:02] <jak2000> via samba
1536[15:40:41] <jak2000> other thing i am reaading: replaced-url
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1539[15:40:58] <horribleprogram> Odd question, looking for a DB I can hold my music in
1540[15:41:04] <greycat> By typing "id username" or by reading their entry in /etc/passwd
1541[15:41:29] <horribleprogram> but here's the catch, I'm building a Vim plugin that allows me to switch music in a nice way
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1546[15:44:21] <blackpenguin> horribleprogram: I would recommend mpd
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1548[15:44:57] <horribleprogram> blackpenguin: yeah the VimL Primer book I'm reading also suggests using MPD
1549[15:44:59] <fireba11> ratrace: apparently dma also doesn't like TLSv1.2 minimum, lol
1550[15:45:02] <jak2000> ok, in the page say: 1) adduser named jonnie and assign system password, 2) add user jonnie to samba with password 3) check the gid of user jonnie(suppose gid is: 10000 ), 4) go to fstab and modify the mount: /dev/sdb1 /media/disk1 ntfs defaults,noexec,noatime,relatime,utf8,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 2 (note uid/gid) 5) change file /etc/samba/smb.conf and add to [disk1] section:
1551[15:45:03] <jak2000> force user = jonnie
1552[15:45:05] <horribleprogram> blackpenguin: MPD it is
1553[15:45:05] <jak2000> souds ok?
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1555[15:47:21] <BCMM> horribleprogram: a DB you can hold music in as opposed to an actual player?
1556[15:47:43] <BCMM> horribleprogram: what sort of features would it have? stuff like indexing the collection and providing searched by artist/track name/whatever?
1557[15:47:52] <horribleprogram> BCMM: yes, like an iTunes clone
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1561[15:47:58] <BCMM> beets is amazing, but i'm not sure if you're talking about what beets does
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1564[15:48:37] <horribleprogram> BCMM: I'd implement a Vim plugin(s) that let me search this DB by artist, stuff like that, kinda like NERDTree
1565[15:48:40] <BCMM> oh, so an actual media player with a library feature? not a standalone database that uses external tools for actual playback?
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1567[15:48:52] <horribleprogram> BCMM: the external tools would be the mpc
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1569[15:49:29] <BCMM> beets isn't a media player, but it has a command that will generate an m3u from any of its searches and open that with your media player of choice
1570[15:49:34] <horribleprogram> let cmd = "mpc --format '%title% (%artist%)' current"
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1572[15:50:02] <horribleprogram> BCMM: yeah that's an interesting solution as well
1573[15:50:07] <greycat> Boy, THAT looks fragile.
1574[15:50:49] <greycat> Because we all know that song titles can have apostrophes in them, right?
1575[15:51:12] <horribleprogram> yeah well version 2.0 will fix that
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1656[16:25:39] <wrksx> I wanted to make a change in the exim config, but I'm not sure how to do that. I'm sure I choosed the monolithic config file in debconf, but still I have this exim4/conf.d with 10s on split config files.
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1659[16:26:13] <wrksx> Are these files the ones I need to work with?
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1661[16:28:19] * RoyK has no idea since he sticks to postfix
1662[16:29:00] <greycat> The secret is to pick one MTA and learn it. Doesn't matter which one, really. Just pick.
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1667[16:31:43] <bernyrd> hi, sorry. I asked about equivalent to replaced-url
1668[16:31:43] <bernyrd> it is per-process firewall monitor GUI. I roughly know how to get the data already, but a good vis is hard
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1691[16:39:45] <wrksx> greycat: which one are you using?
1692[16:39:51] <greycat> qmail
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1695[16:40:08] <wrksx> ah
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1699[16:41:08] <wrksx> another one
1700[16:41:11] <wrksx> =)
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1708[16:45:11] <bernyrd> there is ISPmail tutorial, it is pretty good
1709[16:45:17] <bernyrd> uses postfix
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1716[16:52:48] <Leo1> Bruh
1717[16:52:53] <Leo1> Is kremator here?
1718[16:53:36] <Leo1> :c
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1763[17:20:38] <Ether_Man> Anyone know what state the ability to install to a btrfs subvolume (on an existing drive array with existing subvols) is in currently?
1764[17:21:04] <oyuu> Client: HexChat 2.14.2 • OS: Debian 10.1 • CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU G4560 @ 3.50GHz (3.39GHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.6 GiB Total (6.3 GiB Free) Swap: 7.8 GiB Total (7.8 GiB Free) • Storage: 159.4 GB / 250.8 GB (91.4 GB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation NF7-S/NF7 @ 8086:590f • Uptime: 31m 37s
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1768[17:22:08] <oyuu> sry..im firsttime on irc..lol..#learning
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1771[17:22:45] <jelly> oyuu: it happens!
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1774[17:22:59] <oyuu> what?
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1781[17:27:04] <oxek> what's the status on getting virtualbox into debian 10 repositories?
1782[17:27:09] <oxek> last comments are from 4 years ago
1783[17:27:19] <oxek> replaced-url
1784[17:27:20] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1792[17:30:20] <bernyrd> if I have vpn tunnel that is currently up and that I can't modify but that doesn't have the openvpn configuration line that routes all traffic through it, how can I route some traffic through it
1793[17:30:29] <oxek> it sounds to me as the same case as firefox
1794[17:30:36] <bernyrd> preferably per-user or per-process. if I break the route I won't be able to fix the machine,
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1796[17:31:05] <oxek> once support for firefox60-esr is gone from developer, they tell debian to shove it and upgrade to latest firefox68-esr
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1819[17:47:27] <diogenes_> Patent trolls attack free software, if someone cares, do get imvolved.
1820[17:47:49] <diogenes_> involved*
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1823[17:48:44] <oxek> diogenes_: I care, so I moved to a country that does not recognize software patents. Vote with your taxes.
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1831[17:56:11] <Lope> ratrace, do you know the proper amount of colons to have in the IP= line for /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
1832[17:56:42] <Lope> ratrace, mine was working but I saw a guide online where someone had more double colons than me so I tried his format but then it didn't work.
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1835[17:56:57] <Lope> so I'll revert to what I had. But I'm curious.
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1852[18:01:35] <Lope> ratrace, what I have (that works) is IP=$SERVERIP::$GATEWAY:$SUBMASK:$HOSTNAME:$IFNAME:off
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1855[18:01:54] <Lope> I'm interested to know why there is a double colon after $SERVERIP
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1858[18:02:29] <Lope> As I mentioned I saw a guide with more than one double colon, but I tried that format and it didn't work.
1859[18:02:58] <Lope> I want to make sure I'm using the correct format, to avoid it suddenly breaking in future.
1860[18:04:31] <greycat> Is it an ipv6 address?
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1862[18:04:53] <greycat> Oh. It's not an address at all. Silly me, assuming a line beginning with IP= would contain an IP address.
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1870[18:06:17] <Lope> it's an IPv4 address
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1872[18:06:31] <Lope> well it's a whole lot of stuff incl an ipv4 addr.
1873[18:07:07] <Lope> greycat, I've abstracted the fields to variables there just for discussion vs using some arbitrary IP's etc.
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1877[18:07:33] <greycat> well then you need to find the documentation for this config file
1878[18:07:54] <Lope> I found a manpage called initramfs-tools
1879[18:08:02] <Lope> it mentions IP but no details
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1881[18:08:43] <Lope> I also found a manpage called initramfs.conf, but that doesn't mention it either.
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1883[18:09:05] <greycat> "corresponds to the ... ip boot option" ?
1884[18:09:20] <Lope> well, the field starts with IP=
1885[18:09:26] <Lope> Not sure more than that.
1886[18:09:48] <Lope> it initializes an interface with an IP and default gateway etc in the initramfs.
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1890[18:10:23] <greycat> replaced-url
1891[18:11:20] <greycat> I googled "linux boot option ip"
1892[18:11:29] <Lope> wow, brilliant.
1893[18:12:20] <Lope> It appears to be the same format. however I saw people saying if IP is not capitalized in the initramfs config it doesn't work etc. So it's not exactly the same thing, but sortof the same thing.
1894[18:12:55] <greycat> I have no idea whether it's case-sensitive, or whether this is even the right document.
1895[18:13:30] <Lope> well, it does confirm the format I've got (that works) is right for that anyway. So should be fine.
1896[18:13:32] <greycat> But the man page you referred to said "ip" in lower case was the boot option name. Unlike IP in uppercase which is the config file parameter.
1897[18:13:43] <Lope> As a bonus I learned the last page is the mtu which is good to know :)
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1901[18:17:01] <Lope> s/page/parameter.
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1903[18:17:06] <greycat> field
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1910[18:17:57] <Lope> hmm, everything went to shit since I added the MTU
1911[18:18:07] <Lope> so I guess it's not the same format?
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1913[18:18:26] <Lope> I tested with IP=$SERVERIP::$GATEWAY:$SUBMASK:$HOSTNAME:$IFNAME:off:1000
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1919[18:19:41] <greycat> maybe 1000 is not a good MTU
1920[18:20:08] <Lope> 1000 is a valid MTU, the initramfs thing freaked out upon boot saying too many params etc.
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1925[18:21:14] <Lope> okay no more shenanigans, moving on :)
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1937[18:25:01] <ubuking> Hello!:D
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1941[18:26:03] <cdby> hello, everyone. i'm in the process of setting up a vpn using openvpn in a Debian buster, it works well, but now i'd like to disable the access to the internet through the vpn. since it's my first time doing that, i don't know how to do it. can anyone help me finding a way to do that? links, docs, etc are super welcome >_<
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1951[18:30:01] <\\SPAAACEINVADER> lu
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1955[18:30:50] <\\SPAAACEINVADER> comment télécharger la version par défaut debian (gnome) en fr x64
1956[18:31:33] <greycat> !fr
1957[18:31:34] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr or #debian-quebec.
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1978[18:40:57] <trui> til that "or" in French is "or". wait a moment...
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1984[18:42:51] <greycat> if there's a translation error, it can be corrected
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1988[18:44:53] <jk_> hey there. how do i apply the patch that's included in linux-source?
1989[18:45:00] <jk_> kplsthx
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2002[18:51:39] <unborn> oxek: great response ! I've done same.
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2006[18:54:40] <mrig> Hello
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2009[18:55:57] <mrig> I would like to change the setting for the default terminal media player in GNOME on my debian 10 machine, is there perhaps a file where this can be written to alter the default which is currently mplayer?
2010[18:56:42] <greycat> since it's GNOME, I would assume you configure it by clicking something, and doing it by editing a file is either impossible or insanely difficult...
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2012[18:57:46] <jmcnaught> "default terminal media player in GNOME" what does this mean? terminal media player in GNOME?
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2014[18:59:26] <deathowl> i cant jojn any other chats why is that
2015[18:59:33] <deathowl> join*
2016[18:59:43] <greycat> most likely because you aren't registered on freenode
2017[18:59:48] <greycat> most channels require registration
2018[19:00:04] <unborn> I thought that terminal will run command you issue.. possibly I am mistaking but just add argument into command to play it within your favourite player (vlc for example) perhaps you can set your defaults behaviour in gnome- like default apps...
2019[19:00:18] <deathowl> how do i register
2020[19:00:30] <greycat> "/msg nickserv help" or ask in #freenode
2021[19:00:30] <unborn> mrig: ^^
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2025[19:02:33] <mrig> jmcnaught yes I was surprised that there appears to be one, emacs org mode is calling it when I link files, I was not even aware that it is on the system until now, and have been installing another one.
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2027[19:02:55] <greycat> if emacs is invoking it, I would assume you configure it through emacs, not GNOME
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2029[19:04:44] <ZaZaGX> hi
2030[19:05:44] <mrig> Could very well be the case yes, I am wondering where to look to find out; I've asked in emacs too, and have not yet found anything with a web search; I was wondering if there is a common variable for this somewhere on the system or not.
2031[19:06:16] <greycat> highly unlikely
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2033[19:07:16] <mrig> Thank you, it is clearly not a debian configuration file. I suppose emacs could just be running a check over a list of possible targets and is taking the first viable option.
2034[19:07:37] <mrig> I could try removing it I supposes.
2035[19:07:47] <mrig> sorry, suppose.
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2054[19:23:42] <Kobaz> can't install libpango1.0-0 replaced-url
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2089[19:40:36] <ahoo_> hi
2090[19:40:59] <ahoo_> how do i boot debian into text mode with all drivers?
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2093[19:41:38] <ahoo_> with appending "1" at the end of the kernel line in grub i don't get networking
2094[19:41:48] <greycat> add "systemd.unit=multi-user.target" to the boot params
2095[19:41:57] <greycat> assuming you're using systemd
2096[19:42:14] <ahoo_> i am, assuming it is the default
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2100[19:43:29] <ahoo_> thanks i'll try that
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2106[19:43:58] <dka> Hi
2107[19:44:00] <mackerel449> brightness adjustments have this stairstepping effect which isn't present on windows, it makes auto brightness on GNOME very distracting
2108[19:44:05] <dka> I just received my new laptop with windows 10
2109[19:44:10] <dka> I want to remove that shit and put debian 10
2110[19:44:23] <dka> I have downloaded the non free iso dvd and did a dd on my usb key
2111[19:44:32] <dka> now I am on the debian installation menu and i have the following error
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2113[19:44:42] <dka> "Failed to copy file from CD_ROM. retry?"
2114[19:44:58] <dka> I've already tried to retry, how can I ensure that my key work
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2123[19:50:51] <dvs> dka, what is the *EXACT* dd command that you used to copy the file to the USB drive?
2124[19:51:13] <dka> sudo dd if=firmware-10.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso of=/dev/sdd bs=4M && sudo sync.
2125[19:51:15] <dka> sudo dd if=firmware-10.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso of=/dev/sdd bs=4M && sudo sync
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2127[19:51:44] <dvs> hmmm... looks good so that's not it
2128[19:52:16] <somiaj> where did you get this firmware dvd?
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2130[19:52:30] <somiaj> I didn't think debian provides firmware dvd's
2131[19:52:40] <dvs> oh, good point
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2136[19:53:41] <somiaj> hmm, nevermind, I found it, replaced-url
2137[19:53:46] <dvs> actually, Debian provides a torrent to one: replaced-url
2138[19:53:58] <somiaj> this is just new to me, I was only use to debian provided the netinstall with firmware (not the dvd images)
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2140[19:54:45] <dka> replaced-url
2141[19:54:46] <somiaj> dka: do you have a different linux box you are running this dd command from?
2142[19:55:28] <dka> it's my other computer
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2144[19:55:37] <somiaj> also you truned off secure boot? Could it be a legacy vs efi issue?
2145[19:55:40] <dka> Linux dev-11 4.9.0-11-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.189-3+deb9u1 (2019-09-20) x86_64 GNU/Linux
2146[19:55:46] <dka> No I did not touch the bios yet
2147[19:55:54] <dka> I was waiting some feedback should I disable secure boot ?
2148[19:56:22] <somiaj> I know secure boot support was added, but unsure if it could be causing trouble.
2149[19:56:41] <wasamasa> do I get a "Hell yeah" for leading cinesc away from #debian to ##security?
2150[19:56:41] <somiaj> Also, check the checksum of the dvd image you downloaded, make sure there wasn't a corruption in the download
2151[19:56:42] <dka> maybe I should stick to windows then :o
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2153[19:57:13] <somiaj> dka: does your usbkey fit the dvd image? How big is your usb key?
2154[19:57:25] <dka> 100GB Kinston DataTraveler
2155[19:58:07] <somiaj> I personally just use the netinstall. If the image you downloaded meets the checksum, maybe try to download and use the netinstall image instead.
2156[19:58:16] <dka> bc41e47e87a85875f71cbced116a4620 firmware-10.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
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2159[19:58:36] <somiaj> replaced-url
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2161[19:58:44] <dka> checksum is equal replaced-url
2162[19:58:46] <somiaj> dka: compare that to the checksums on the page you downloaded the file fromm
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2164[19:58:59] <dka> it's not corrupted
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2166[19:59:23] <inna> can i omit wiping during installation onto an encrypted lvm?
2167[19:59:25] <somiaj> hmm, maybe try the netinstall (maybe there was an error with the creation of the dvd image).
2168[19:59:55] <somiaj> inna: are you creating a new encrypted lvm, or is this an existing one?
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2170[20:00:03] <inna> i found an answer on the interwebs that states one is being asked whether or not to wipe, but installer never asked me before wipe.
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2172[20:00:23] <inna> somiaj: the first
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2175[20:01:12] <dka> that doesn't make even sens
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2179[20:02:39] <dka> disabling secure boot does not work
2180[20:02:45] <dka> can you give me the link of the netinstall plz ?
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2183[20:02:55] <greycat> !firmware images
2184[20:02:56] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
2185[20:03:17] <inna> dka: replaced-url
2186[20:03:21] <dka> thx
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2190[20:03:37] <dka> inna, i didnt know that website I am using yahoo
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2194[20:04:01] <inna> >_>
2195[20:04:04] <inna> never mind bro
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2199[20:04:29] <kreyren> Which tool should i use on debian to scan connected network for ip adresses capable of ssh?
2200[20:04:35] * kreyren is configuring SSH on his server
2201[20:04:38] <somiaj> inna: it is considered insecure to not do a full wipe before adding encryption (because someoen could crack your encryption easier). I don't know of an easy way to bypass this besides manually create the encrypted lvm outside of the installer, and tell the installer to use it, not create it.
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2203[20:05:07] <inna> somiaj: lol i secure deleted the SSD
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2206[20:05:13] <inna> somiaj: all bits are zero for sure.
2207[20:06:01] <somiaj> knowing it is all zero bits is knowing something, I thougth the encrypted lvm first puts random data on the drive. Anyways, maybe expert mode can let you bypass this, or as I said, you'll have to manually create the lvm, and tell the installer to just use it
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2209[20:06:28] <somiaj> kreyren: I don't know what you mean, are you inside some network and want to know your outside network?
2210[20:06:45] <somiaj> kreyren: ip addr -- lists all your configured interfaces and their addresses, by default ssh will be listening on all of them.
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2212[20:07:04] <inna> given there is no plausible deniability with encrypted lvm's this is a joke.
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2214[20:07:35] <inna> somiaj: where do i enter expert mode? at grub time?
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2216[20:07:49] <greycat> somiaj: he wants to "administer" his "server" only he doesn't know his "server's" IP address yet, so he just needs to know how to find all of the IP addresses and surely one of them will be "his"
2217[20:07:52] <somiaj> inna: correct there is a menu of options, under 'more options' is an expert mode of the installer.
2218[20:07:59] <inna> thx
2219[20:08:07] <kreyren> somiaj, thanks that works
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2230[20:12:04] <tsglove> So I was reading about local-apt-repository.... yet it states: This package does not provide an apt repository to be used by other hosts. For that, look at more serious repository solutions like reprepro and apt-ftparchive.
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2232[20:12:33] <tsglove> Just to make sure I'm going down the correct direction: What i want is to have my local Debian machines get their apt-update and upgrades (and installations) from a local machine.
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2234[20:12:48] <somiaj> tsglove: look into apt-cacher, apt-cacher-ng
2235[20:12:52] <tsglove> Would this be possible with reprepro? And/or apt-ftparchive?
2236[20:12:58] <somiaj> there are other tools, but those are the ones that spring into mind
2237[20:13:23] <somiaj> you could download the full repo, apt-cacher-ng though works like a caching proxy, and only caches the packages you actually use, vs the whole repo.
2238[20:13:27] <tsglove> somiaj, ok will search for those now. Thanks. Here's what I was reading replaced-url
2239[20:13:34] <somiaj> !apt-cacher
2240[20:13:34] <dpkg> rumour has it, apt-cacher is a caching proxy designed specifically for use by <apt>. replaced-url
2241[20:13:40] <tsglove> oooo I like apt-cacher
2242[20:13:42] <somiaj> !apt-cacher-ng
2243[20:13:42] <dpkg> apt-cacher-ng is a replacement for <apt-proxy>. Its usage is documented at replaced-url
2244[20:13:54] <somiaj> ahh approx is another
2245[20:13:57] <tsglove> lol "rumour has it"... I like that bot
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2251[20:16:52] <tsglove> somiaj, apt-cacher-ng looks right up my alley =) --> replaced-url
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2254[20:21:16] <dka> I dont get why my USB key say it's 32GB while it's written 100GB on it
2255[20:21:28] <dka> never mind, it was the model name
2256[20:22:05] <dka> So I am creating a new debian installation USB bootable key with "sudo dd if=firmware-10.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdd bs=4M && sudo sync
2257[20:22:06] <dka> "
2258[20:22:17] <dka> 394264576 bytes (394 MB, 376 MiB) copied, 6.3295 s, 62.3 MB/s
2259[20:22:24] <dka> I have verified and the iso is having valid checksum
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2261[20:23:18] <somiaj> dka: still getting the same error when you try to boot it on your new machine?
2262[20:23:25] <tsglove> I like using in dd status=progress that way you see what it's doing.
2263[20:23:47] <somiaj> dka: not that it matters, but the install guide suggests using cp vs dd, but both work (cp often has nice defualts for read/write block size)
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2265[20:24:10] <dka> with the netinstall it seems to work better, now i am on detect network hardware
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2267[20:25:00] <karlpinc> !firmware images
2268[20:25:01] <somiaj> dka: maybe there is an error in the generation of the firmware dvd image, you may want to report it as a bug to the debian install team (my guess is very few people use the firmare dvd image).
2269[20:25:01] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
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2271[20:27:35] <dka> I am not able to login with WPA2
2272[20:27:48] <dka> I mean, I can't connect to my internet
2273[20:28:23] <dka> <3 net install
2274[20:28:23] <somiaj> dka: hmm, you can open up a console, alt-f2, and see if you can see what the problem is.
2275[20:28:49] <somiaj> dka: you might want to look through dmesg and make sure the firmware has loaded correctly, or use 'ip addr' and see if you can see the interface there too.
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2293[20:41:13] <Mathisen> i want some input, what would be minimal ram to dedicate to a debian vm only running minimal install no gui no nothing. just a small web service running on it with apache
2294[20:41:35] <Mathisen> 512 to little ?
2295[20:41:41] <greycat> 256 MB would be what I'd consider a bare minimum for a web server
2296[20:41:42] <iterati> Hi. Is gimp GTK2 only ? Need to install some packages in order that gtk2 programs (like pidging) don't look out of place on gnome 3 ?
2297[20:41:56] <greycat> 512 MB would be better
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2303[20:42:29] <Mathisen> ok il go with 512 then
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2305[20:42:51] <greycat> for what it's worth, my public web site is on an OpenVZ VPS with 384 MB, under wheezy
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2308[20:44:04] <greycat> you could actually live with less than 256 MB if it's all static pages, but that's boring
2309[20:45:22] <Ede|Popede> content matters! there's too much sns already on the web.
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2311[20:46:47] <vlt> Hello. Does anyone know a more elegant way to rotate an image by an arbitrary float angle while keeping the original size than to first apply pnmrotate (or convert) and then pnmcut using half of the difference between the new and old width and height as its -left and -top parameters? Did I miss the tool or option that already does exactly that?
2312[20:47:22] <greycat> you might ask ##imagemagick
2313[20:48:15] <vlt> greycat: Thank you :)
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2316[20:48:56] <muhaha> is possible to pass video from KVM guest to video output? ( some passtru ) , or do I need another gpu ?
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2325[20:50:36] <jk__> hi
2326[20:50:42] <jk__> what is the gnome meta package
2327[20:50:43] <jk__> ?
2328[20:50:49] <greycat> !install gnome
2329[20:50:49] <dpkg> To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. replaced-url
2330[20:51:03] <jk__> purrfect :D thx
2331[20:51:43] <ratrace> holy skagsack complexity batman!
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2333[20:53:09] <MyNickName> hello
2334[20:53:15] <MyNickName> i have big probleme
2335[20:54:18] <MyNickName> I tried to install debian gnome three times on my computer the installation ends correctly, at restart = operating system not found
2336[20:54:18] <jk__> how to change the window manager / desktop environment?
2337[20:54:19] <petn-randall> MyNickName: We can help you if you ask a question.
2338[20:54:50] <petn-randall> MyNickName: How did you install? Via USB or CD?
2339[20:54:51] <greycat> jk__: Lots of ways, depending on what you want. If you use gdm3, there's a widget you can click while logging in, to select a desktop environment, or "Debian session" which is the traditional thing.
2340[20:55:04] <greycat> jk__: sessions are configured with "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager"
2341[20:55:08] <jk__> MyNickName: check your available boot disks/use F11 or F12 for boot menu and boot from the disk you have installed debian on to.
2342[20:55:13] <MyNickName> currently I'm on the live version to communicate with the IRC for help
2343[20:55:15] <jhutchins_wk> MyNickName: Did you read and follow the installation guide?
2344[20:55:30] <MyNickName> yes
2345[20:55:35] <greycat> jk__: if you just want to use a window manager, not a desktop environment, the *simplest* way would be to select "Debian session" and then put "exec yourwm" in ~/.xsession the traditonal way.
2346[20:55:45] <MyNickName> the first boot is the hard drive
2347[20:55:45] <jhutchins_wk> MyNickName: An uninformed guess is that grub did not get installed in the right location.
2348[20:56:06] <jk__> greycat: thanks! :)
2349[20:56:11] <jhutchins_wk> MyNickName: You installed it to the device, not the partition, right?
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2353[20:58:53] <MyNickName> i have install in old part manjaro
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2358[21:02:09] <MyNickName> i have install on this "/"
2359[21:02:28] <somiaj> MyNickName: when it got to the install grub stage, what did you select?
2360[21:02:51] <MyNickName> i have test "replace partition with manjaro" at restart "operating system not found"
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2362[21:04:50] <MyNickName> now i have launched debian installer (live usb)
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2371[21:05:53] <dka> I have used RJ45 to bypass the network configuration issue. I am having issue now
2372[21:05:57] <dka> I can't install the Grub boot loader
2373[21:05:59] <MyNickName> i have four partion 1 swap without mount point 1 ext 4 without mount point and two parts NTFS without mount point on the same disk
2374[21:06:00] <dka> it fail fatal error
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2380[21:07:00] <MyNickName> you understand ?
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2383[21:07:55] <petn-randall> MyNickName: I'm guessing that somehow grub installation failed.
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2385[21:07:57] <MyNickName> replaced-url
2386[21:08:03] <MyNickName> screenshort
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2388[21:08:06] <MyNickName> screenshot*
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2390[21:08:29] <dka> the failing step is install the grub boot loader on a hard disk
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2392[21:08:59] <petn-randall> MyNickName: That could be caused by either a) having a mangled USB installer which installs grub onto the installation medium, or b) booting the installer in legacy mode and the system in UEFI mode.
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2405[21:16:18] <Wotac> i hate seeing just blocks when someone types some special symbols, can someone recommend a font that covers all symbols?
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2410[21:17:57] <SanchoPensa> hey guys!
2411[21:18:40] <SanchoPensa> I was in the middle of upgrading from strech to buster, when the terminal window closed, and now I am getting errors, I require your assistance, please
2412[21:18:57] <MyNickName> what is the solution?
2413[21:19:18] <wasamasa> Wotac: the closest thing to that is unifont
2414[21:19:20] <greycat> It's generally best to do release upgrades from the console, not from a desktop environment.
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2416[21:19:38] <wasamasa> Wotac: in practice people combine fonts, like the noto family
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2419[21:19:56] <SanchoPensa> this is, what happened last: replaced-url
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2421[21:20:01] <greycat> First thing I'd do is login as root on a console (Ctrl-Alt-F2 or similar), and then assuming that worked, try to shut down your desktop session as cleanly as possible.
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2423[21:20:26] <MyNickName> how I could fix the problem? my bios is old there is no UEFI or LEGACY
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2425[21:20:41] <MyNickName> I juste have ATA and AHCI choice
2426[21:20:47] <MyNickName> old dell bios
2427[21:20:49] <jhutchins_wk> MyNickName: It's not a common well know problem.
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2429[21:20:52] <Ether_Man> Hey so I'm trying to install debian using the buster netinst image on a btrfs array. I've managed to get it to install to my specified subvol in /target but grub install fails. Now I know grub won't respect my choice of default subvolid, but I'm not sure where to set such options in the install env. I was hoping to be able to install, rescue boot and then configure those settings but can't get that far it seems? :/
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2431[21:21:15] <jhutchins_wk> MyNickName: Is the bios pointing to the correct device for the first boot device?
2432[21:21:39] <MyNickName> the first device boot is hard drive
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2434[21:21:49] <MyNickName> replaced-url
2435[21:21:59] <MyNickName> now when i launch installer debian
2436[21:22:01] <Wotac> wasamasa: how would i combine them in konsole when i can only select one?
2437[21:22:02] <SanchoPensa> greycat: I am a little worried, that then I cannot even come back to ask you guys...
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2439[21:22:23] <greycat> you can run a terminal-based IRC client
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2442[21:22:43] <wasamasa> Wotac: pick a terminal emulator with font fallback
2443[21:22:48] <SanchoPensa> greycat: what comes to mind, there is one line in the pastebin, that says no space left on device. I do have 12GB left on the home folder, though, and 2.9 on the root folder...
2444[21:22:48] <greycat> but anyway, login as root on a console, finish the upgrade, reboot, and see if you can login normally
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2446[21:23:02] <greycat> SanchoPensa: ... btrfs?
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2448[21:23:13] <jhutchins_wk> !de
2449[21:23:13] <dpkg> Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
2450[21:23:22] <SanchoPensa> greycat, I don't have any lirc installed, and I can't, since I have broken packages right now...
2451[21:23:30] <Wotac> wasamasa: what would you recommend then?
2452[21:23:35] <SanchoPensa> greycat: nope? ext4?
2453[21:23:37] <wasamasa> Wotac: konsole should do that already
2454[21:23:51] <greycat> if "df" and "df -i" report nothing close to full, it should be OK
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2456[21:24:12] <SanchoPensa> greycat, I did try that on console 1, but without a init 3 before that, returns the same error
2457[21:24:49] <SanchoPensa> greycat: would you care to read the error, that I pasted to pastebin, please?
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2459[21:25:41] <jhutchins_wk> SanchoPensa: This is why you should use a single partition + swap instead of multiple partitions. Multiple partitions guarantee that the space you need will be on the wrong partition.
2460[21:25:57] <wasamasa> Wotac: since it's using qt and gets advanced text handling for free, including fancy stuff like ligatures
2461[21:26:23] <SanchoPensa> jhutchins_wk: I just realized, my /boot partition has 43mb left.
2462[21:26:33] <greycat> that's why I said to run "df" and "df -i"
2463[21:26:46] <greycat> try removing one of your older kernels
2464[21:27:20] <SanchoPensa> greycat: aye, sir!
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2471[21:30:50] <ahoo> when i select "Gnome session (wayland)" in the gdm the screen goes black for a second or two and gdm re-appears
2472[21:30:58] <ahoo> apparently wayland cannot start
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2476[21:31:11] <ahoo> what's the most common issue with that?
2477[21:31:18] <greycat> Is all the firmware loaded? Does your chipset require post-buster packages?
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2479[21:31:46] <dka> I have installed Debian and after reboot my screen is stuck with the big logo Lenovo and i have PXE error
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2481[21:32:44] <s0da> hey everyone
2482[21:33:12] <karlpinc> dka: Are you expecting it to pxe boot?
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2487[21:33:42] <ahoo> i have installed the nvidia-driver and when i start cinnamon it does not give me a toast about not being gpu accelerated, that is all i know, greycat
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2489[21:34:14] <SanchoPensa> jhutchins_wk: greycat ok, I am one step further, or so it may appear. I did not get an error about the discspace anymore, instead these two:
2490[21:34:14] <SanchoPensa> W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gv100/acr/ucode_load.bin for module nouveau
2491[21:34:14] <SanchoPensa> libdvd-pkg: `apt-get check` failed, you may have broken packages. Aborting...
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2493[21:34:20] <greycat> Firmware: run "dmesg | grep -i firmware" and look for errors. Errors will typically include the name of a file it wants to load and can't.
2494[21:34:21] <SanchoPensa> what do I do next?
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2496[21:34:40] <greycat> Drivers/other: start by telling us what your chipset *is*. Post the output of "lspci -nn" on some web site.
2497[21:34:57] <SanchoPensa> greycat: are you talking to me?
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2499[21:35:10] <ahoo> that outputs exact 1 line: [ 0.269890] ACPI: [Firmware Bug]: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored
2500[21:35:16] <greycat> gv100 ... that sounds familiar.
2501[21:35:21] <SanchoPensa> or to ahoo, or to dka?
2502[21:35:27] <greycat> wasn't there someone here just last week with gv100 firmware errors?
2503[21:35:48] <ahoo> what would be a package name for a firmware?
2504[21:35:55] <ahoo> i have a GT 1030
2505[21:36:06] <greycat> ahoo: once you know the filename that it can't load, you can ask judd what package contains that file
2506[21:36:22] <greycat> ,file nvidia/gv100/acr/ucode_load.bin
2507[21:36:26] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
2508[21:36:30] <s0da> im looking to install the most bare-bones window managers on my debian based distro, WITHOUT using a graphickal desktop environment like Gnome or Mate. I'm also looking to install tty console-based utilities/apps to replace (some of) my bloatware graphical apps. (offtopic: i ordered pizza from the command prompt... TWICE already!)
2509[21:36:30] <greycat> ,file nvidia/gv100/acr/ucode_load.bin --release buster-backports
2510[21:36:33] <judd> Search for nvidia/gv100/acr/ucode_load.bin in buster-backports/amd64: firmware-misc-nonfree: lib/firmware/nvidia/gv100/acr/ucode_load.bin
2511[21:36:39] <SanchoPensa> and I have a GK208M [GeForce GT 740M] (rev a1)
2512[21:36:40] <somiaj> the nvidia non-free drivers shouldn't need firmware, have you rebooted since you isntalled the nvidia-drivers? How did you install them.
2513[21:36:46] <greycat> The person with gv100: you need some stuff from buster-backports.
2514[21:37:46] <somiaj> oh wait, there are two different people, I just got confused.
2515[21:37:50] <SanchoPensa> greycat: that command returns file: unrecognized option '--release'
2516[21:37:50] <greycat> s0da: install "standard". boot into console. install "xorg" and your window manager of choice. type startx.
2517[21:38:02] <greycat> !buster-backports
2518[21:38:02] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian 11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in the buster-backports repository. See replaced-url
2519[21:38:05] <somiaj> ahoo: if using the non-free nvidia driver you don't need firmware. Have you rebooted since you isntalled the nvidia-driver?
2520[21:38:10] <Ether_Man> Hey so I'm trying to install debian using the buster netinst image on a btrfs array. I've managed to get it to install to my specified subvol in /target but grub install fails. Now I know grub won't respect my choice of default subvolid, but I'm not sure where to set such options in the install env. I was hoping to be able to install, rescue boot and then configure those settings but can't get that far it seems? Anyone know how I can
2521[21:38:10] <Ether_Man> proceed? Running grub-installer manually gets me several errors. "grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of `rootfs'." and "grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of `/boot'." "Wrong number of args: mapdevfs <path>" as well as two warnings about dpkg-divert diverting from an Essential package with rename being dangerous. Given the last line of errors, I'd assume I need to provide some path, but it's not /dev/sda as I
2522[21:38:10] <Ether_Man> would have expected. And it doesn't know --boot-directory so it seems it's a different grub-install from replaced-url
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2526[21:39:38] <ahoo> somiaj, is there a difference between driver and firmware?
2527[21:39:39] <dka> sorry
2528[21:39:49] <greycat> !firmware
2529[21:39:49] <dpkg> Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. replaced-url
2530[21:39:50] <dka> I was next to my box with the RJ45 cable
2531[21:40:00] <dka> now I have no internet and I am trying to boot on the debian system
2532[21:40:02] <dka> can't find how
2533[21:40:08] <dka> everytime I boot I end up in boot menu
2534[21:40:12] <dka> I have set boot to legacy
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2537[21:41:01] <somiaj> ahoo: yes
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2540[21:41:10] <s0da> thanks greycat. that sounds like a much more straightforward process than i was afraid it would be. Good News! :)
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2542[21:43:43] <s0da> so how would i go about PREVENTING my existing installation from booting straight into the desktop? (it starts up graphical desktop by default.) is there a configuration file that i will need to edit or something?
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2545[21:44:16] <greycat> s0da: remove the display manager package, or pass "systemd.unit=multi-user.target" as a boot parameter, or set that to the default target
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2547[21:44:35] <somiaj> !nodm
2548[21:44:35] <dpkg> In systemd, "systemctl set-default multi-user.target", or remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove gdm3 kdm lightdm lxdm nodm sddm slim wdm xdm". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
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2550[21:44:46] <somiaj> s0da: I prefer the echo false >... method
2551[21:45:02] <somiaj> though I'm sure the systemd target method is probably better with systemd.
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2553[21:45:47] <dka> Why after a debian install would I not be able to boot on disk ?
2554[21:45:50] <SanchoPensa> greycat: jhutchins_wk there appears to be a bugreprot, that involves one ben hutchins, jhutchins you woulndt happen to know him? replaced-url
2555[21:45:51] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2556[21:45:53] <dka> Just starting and then back to boot menu
2557[21:45:57] <s0da> greycat: well, i dont really wanna UNINSTALL the thing. just change the default setting so it only consoles and doesnt desktop when it boots up.
2558[21:46:18] <greycat> s0da: then follow one of the other three suggestions you were given
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2560[21:46:20] <somiaj> s0da: check the nodm factoid the bot spit out
2561[21:46:25] <s0da> note: ok
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2564[21:46:32] <s0da> greycat: ok
2565[21:46:41] <s0da> somiaj: ok
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2567[21:46:58] <s0da> thanks. doing that now...
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2570[21:49:17] <SanchoPensa> greycat: will fixing this missing firmware error through backports fix the apt-get check error, that indicates broken packages? otherwise, how do i fix these broken packages?
2571[21:49:42] <greycat> No, installing firmware will not fix package management errors.
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2574[21:50:32] <greycat> If your package management errors are from "/boot filled up while I was building an initramfs", then only freeing space or increasing the size of /boot will help you.
2575[21:51:42] <SanchoPensa> greycat: I did free space, and after that the building of the initramfs completed successfully
2576[21:52:01] <SanchoPensa> greycat: I still seem to have broken packages, though
2577[21:52:12] <greycat> Fix 'em. Or try "apt-get -f install".
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2580[21:53:30] <SanchoPensa> greycat: did that, returns nothing, except a list of packages, that are no longer required. I do not dare to autoremove, since it basically wants to remove the entire desktop, all in all 1,9 GB
2581[21:53:53] <SanchoPensa> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 388 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
2582[21:53:53] <SanchoPensa> After this operation, 1,809 MB disk space will be freed.
2583[21:53:53] <SanchoPensa> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
2584[21:54:08] <SanchoPensa> hell no, I dont...
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2587[21:54:54] <petn-randall> SanchoPensa: How do you know you have broken packages then?
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2590[21:55:16] <somiaj> petn-randall: they were upgrading in a terminal and the terminal crashed in the middle of the upgrade process
2591[21:55:20] <jhutchins_wk> SanchoPensa: It really sounds like you should consider doing a clean new install, possibly on a single partition. It should only take about 30 minutes, you've spent more than that on it already.
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2593[21:56:05] <jhutchins_wk> SanchoPensa: Well, that's a thought, I confused you with another user, but it would probably take care of it.
2594[21:56:10] <greycat> petn-randall: and *also* they ran out of space in /boot
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2596[21:56:32] <greycat> unless I'm also confusing multiple simultaneous users
2597[21:56:33] <humpled> why not upgrade in tty?
2598[21:56:37] <SanchoPensa> petn-randall: replaced-url
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2601[21:56:49] <somiaj> humpled: that advice was already given, but won't help now
2602[21:57:00] <humpled> ah
2603[21:57:03] <SanchoPensa> jhutchins_wk: that is absolutely not an option, I have WEEKS of configuration work on this machine...
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2606[21:57:45] <SanchoPensa> greycat: it helps, if you insert the name of the person in the beginning of your statements, people then know, who you are talking to
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2608[21:58:04] <petn-randall> :]
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2610[21:59:30] <SanchoPensa> petn-randall: greycat, jhutchins_wk, this basically does remove half my desktop, does it not? replaced-url
2611[21:59:44] <greycat> You ALREADY KNOW.
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2613[21:59:55] <greycat> Pick a package that is failing. FIX IT. Repeat.
2614[22:00:02] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: most of your configuration for the use are in $HOME, just back that up and you'll have that done. Back up /etc for system configuration. It is sometimes way faster to do a clean install than to fix things.
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2616[22:00:36] <SanchoPensa> greycat: funny. HOW do I fix it, it apt-get -f install doesn't do the trick? are there other options?
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2618[22:01:18] <greycat> By knowing how Debian and Linux work. By repeating the step of the release-upgrade you were performing at the time of the failure. By reading error messages SLOWLY and COMPREHENDING what they say and then fixing them.
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2620[22:01:34] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: point is, I was in the middle of an upgrade from strech to buster, I have not the slightest of clues, in what status my /etc is currently at...
2621[22:01:44] <greycat> What step were you doing?
2622[22:02:11] <SanchoPensa> greycat: apt-get full-upgrade and I did of course repeat thatz
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2624[22:02:35] <SanchoPensa> the result was in this pastebin replaced-url
2625[22:02:43] <greycat> So, you read the errors that you get when you repeat it. The FIRST errors. And then you fix whatever they tell you is wrong.
2626[22:03:03] <greycat> wooledg:~$ curl replaced-url
2627[22:03:03] <greycat> sudo apt-get -f install
2628[22:03:06] <greycat> LIAR.
2629[22:03:38] <SanchoPensa> well, believe it or not, both commands return exactly the same output, so no, sherriff, not a liar.
2630[22:03:47] <SanchoPensa> greycat: mind your lagnuage, pelase.
2631[22:03:52] <greycat> *plonk*
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2633[22:04:37] <SanchoPensa> greycat: and the point is, there are no errors. It just tells me, that I can autoremove half my desktop.
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2635[22:06:17] <petn-randall> SanchoPensa: Show us then.
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2637[22:06:23] <SanchoPensa> greycat: here it is replaced-url
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2640[22:07:53] <SanchoPensa> did I find another bug, and if so, can I keep it? :D
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2643[22:09:09] <SanchoPensa> now, this is super funny: replaced-url
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2645[22:09:32] <SanchoPensa> ok, I'm completely confused right now.
2646[22:09:36] <petn-randall> SanchoPensa: line 57-58 is different, which is the relevant part.
2647[22:09:58] <petn-randall> SanchoPensa: Find out why they're being kept back.
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2649[22:10:11] <petn-randall> SanchoPensa: `apt install rpcbind`
2650[22:10:27] <SanchoPensa> petn-randall: might be, because there were nfs mounts mounted...
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2652[22:11:57] <SanchoPensa> petn-randall: ok, I have really seen a lot in my last 20 years of linux, but this is a new one: replaced-url
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2657[22:15:52] <petn-randall> SanchoPensa: Try removing libdvdcss for now, it seems to be broken.
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2659[22:16:08] <SanchoPensa> petn-randall: aye!
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2662[22:17:08] <SanchoPensa> petn-randall: here the result: replaced-url
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2664[22:18:06] <petn-randall> SanchoPensa: Eh, it's called libdvd-pkg.
2665[22:18:31] <SanchoPensa> so, if I reattempt to install rpcbind, it tells me, it is already the newest version. apt-get check returns no errors. all this doesn't make any sense...
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2668[22:19:16] <SanchoPensa> petn-randall: worked like charms!
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2670[22:19:53] <petn-randall> I guess things changed since that last paste.
2671[22:21:10] <SanchoPensa> petn-randall: ohy my, I am telling you, oh my ... I just tried to reinstall that thing: replaced-url
2672[22:21:28] <HelloShitty> Anyone here ever tried GNS3?
2673[22:21:33] <HelloShitty> recently
2674[22:22:35] <SanchoPensa> petn-randall: and the dpkg-reconfigure then again works like charms :D replaced-url
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2697[22:35:47] <SanchoPensa> is there a netyplit, or where has everybody gone?
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2703[22:38:18] <karlpinc> HelloShitty: Ask your real question.
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2713[22:39:48] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: when apt can't figure out how to fix itself, it often takes a lot of work to manually track down and understand every error and manually fix it.
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2715[22:41:06] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: I unfortunately understand that very well. Problem is, currently I wouldn't even know, where to start, since there is no actual error... really, I have never seen this.
2716[22:41:35] <somiaj> I still think a backup reinstall is probably best with your skill level and situation (I might even do that myself).
2717[22:41:55] <somiaj> This is also a good experience, it will teach you what you need to backup, so if your machine were to ever die, you have the important stuff backed up to easily recover.
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2719[22:42:59] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: very last resort... You have no idea, how much configuration I have done here, up to manually chaning xfce4's start menus manually to execute scripts on opening, like automatically open tabs in console, with nfs mounts open, etc...
2720[22:43:50] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: it is not about the backups. It is about installing a gazillion of software and about configuring it the way I want it.
2721[22:44:08] <somiaj> most of these changes should be done in $HOME, not /etc, just copy your old $HOME to your new $HOME, most use stuff is done.
2722[22:44:24] <SanchoPensa> when I open my pcmanfm it opens several tabs with folders on mounts, etc...
2723[22:44:28] <somiaj> so knowing what to backup in $HOME helps out a lot here, to make recovery in the case your hd fries easy.
2724[22:44:37] <somiaj> again, this should all be done in $HOME, easy to recover
2725[22:44:53] <HelloShitty> karlpinc: I installed gns3 with pip3 but when I try to use a VPCS in my project I get an error message saying: 2019-10-27 00:14:59 ERROR node:237 error while starting PC1: No path to a VPCS executable has been set
2726[22:45:06] <HelloShitty> so I searched about this error message but I found nothing
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2729[22:45:32] <HelloShitty> then I found this VPCS project in SourceForge which I tried to compile but I get an error
2730[22:45:48] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: I do have a seperate home partition for exaclty that reason, yet still, there is a lot of stuff in /var, etc. basically YEARS of config. Shit, I can't even remember, when I had to reinstall the last time...
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2732[22:46:12] <HelloShitty> this is the error:
2733[22:46:14] <HelloShitty> replaced-url
2734[22:46:16] <SanchoPensa> this is really giving me the damned creeps.
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2736[22:49:43] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: I just checked on debian.org/packages, what packages it wants to autoremove there. turns out, a lot are in buster, a lot are in stretch. It is stuck somewhere inbetween. and apt does not seem to recognize it. Otherwise full-upgrade would have to resume. how in the world is that even possible?
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2738[22:50:30] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: most likely a metapackage got removed, and you are in a broken state of the upgrade. I really don't want to help someone track down all of the errors and fix them.
2739[22:50:49] <dka> I have issue with my graphic driver
2740[22:50:53] <dka> when I try to plug HDMI
2741[22:50:58] <somiaj> you really shouldn't have config files in /var, and yes some stuff is in /etc, if you have a backup of /etc, you can copy over the stuff you want.
2742[22:50:59] <dka> it doesn't detect anything
2743[22:51:07] <dka> computer is x1 carbon gen 7, I just formatted with debian 10
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2745[22:51:34] <dka> I am running apt-get update, upgrade, dist-upgrade and used backports, everything seems up to date
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2747[22:51:51] <somiaj> dka: what gpu do you have and what graphics drivers are you using?
2748[22:52:06] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: point is, there are no errors. so nothing to track down. how am I supposed to track down "all" of the errors, when there isn't a single one?
2749[22:52:07] <dka> Intégré (Intel® UHD Graphics 620)
2750[22:52:24] <dka> I have no clue about the graphic driver
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2752[22:52:43] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: or did you see any errors?
2753[22:53:23] <somiaj> SanchoPensa: have you fully upgraded? Finish the upgrade, then figure out what meta package is missing and install it.
2754[22:53:31] <somiaj> If it is gnome, make sure you have the gnome metapackage
2755[22:53:32] <somiaj> !gnome
2756[22:53:32] <dpkg> GNOME is a Desktop Environment ("DE", so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) based on GTK+. To get or delete GNOME, ask me about <install gnome> or <remove gnome> respectively. See also <gnome status>. replaced-url
2757[22:53:41] <somiaj> !install gnome
2758[22:53:41] <dpkg> To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. replaced-url
2759[22:53:59] <somiaj> make sure you have gnome-desktop-enviorment installed
2760[22:54:12] <dka> me ?
2761[22:54:32] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: very good starting point, thank you!
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2766[22:57:07] <somiaj> dka: some newer intel cards require firmware, 'dmesg | grep -i firmware' do you notice errors about i915 not loading firmware?
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2768[22:57:26] <somiaj> dka: if you do, install the package firmware-misc-nonfree (if your intel card is really new, you may need to install a kernel and firmware from backports)
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2776[22:59:55] <kopax> hi somiaj its dka from the host under installation
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2779[23:00:19] <somiaj> did you notice if you had trouble loading any firmware, 'dmesg | grep -i firmware'
2780[23:00:36] <kopax> replaced-url
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2785[23:01:36] <somiaj> kopax: my firewall won't let me see paste sites over ssl, can you put that at paste.debian.net
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2788[23:02:04] <dka> somiaj, replaced-url
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2793[23:03:31] <somiaj> dka: yea, your graphics driver, i915 is complaing about firmware, likes 7-9, install firmware-misc-nonfree and reboot and see if that fixes the issue
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2796[23:03:59] <Gerowen> Is there a command "like" tcptrack that also shows what files a particular connection is accessing? For example, if I'm downloading a file from my server, tcptrack will show the session and its transfer speed, but I seem to recall a command that would also show what file that session was accessing.
2797[23:04:11] <dka> ok
2798[23:04:16] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: did unfortunately not fix it...
2799[23:04:28] <SanchoPensa> still wants to remove tons...
2800[23:04:58] <HelloShitty> Anyone seen my question?
2801[23:05:46] <petn-randall> HelloShitty: You might have more luck asking in a python channel.
2802[23:05:59] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: does however want to remove fewer things... Maybe it is really the metapackage for xfce4...?
2803[23:06:21] <dka> firmware-misc-nonfree is already the newset version (20190114-2)
2804[23:06:22] <HelloShitty> petn-randall: GNS3 installed ok... No problem with GNS3 install
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2807[23:06:40] <HelloShitty> Problem is related with another application related with GNS3
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2809[23:07:10] <HelloShitty> that is written in C, if I'm not mistaken
2810[23:07:31] <HelloShitty> In gns3 dedicated channel, no one replied
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2812[23:07:57] <HelloShitty> in this app support forum you even need to send an email just to open a thread (SourceForge)
2813[23:07:59] <somiaj> dka: have you rebooted since installing that package? I see that firmware file in that package.
2814[23:08:09] <HelloShitty> In GNS3 support forums, no one replies
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2816[23:08:11] <dka> yes i did
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2819[23:08:40] <HelloShitty> So I came in in the hope to find someone using GNS3 that could help me
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2822[23:09:34] <HelloShitty> I already sent an email about starting a thread in SourceForge like 3 days ago... No answer, so far!
2823[23:09:42] <HelloShitty> So, I'm out of solutions
2824[23:10:13] <somiaj> dka: replaced-url
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2826[23:10:33] <somiaj> dka: dpkg -S firmware-misc-nonfree | grep kbl_dmc_ver1_04.bin
2827[23:11:21] <dka> null
2828[23:11:38] <dka> perhaps should I try to reinstall
2829[23:11:44] <dka> ?
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2831[23:11:56] <dka> There's a strange thing in my debian
2832[23:12:05] <dka> I had to install myself gnome-terminal while generaly it is install
2833[23:12:06] <somiaj> dka: what is output of apt policy firmware-misc-nonfree
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2835[23:12:13] <dka> I have not usermod, I have not ifconffig
2836[23:12:21] <dka> it's fresh install something must have gone wrong
2837[23:12:30] <somiaj> dka: sounds like sbin/ is not in your $PATH
2838[23:12:33] <somiaj> !buster su
2839[23:12:33] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To use the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
2840[23:12:39] <petn-randall> dka: Both are deprecated, it wouldn't surprise me if they're not installed.
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2842[23:13:04] <dka> It says I have buster/non-free somiaj, 20190114-2
2843[23:13:40] <somiaj> petn-randall: well usermod is part of passwd, so that is installed, ifconfig not so much
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2847[23:15:37] <dka> somiaj, I was using stretch backport which was wrong
2848[23:15:51] <dka> I have updated with buster backporrt and I have upgraded my firmware-nonfree to backport one
2849[23:15:52] <jdflkjsfsl> somiaj: maybe the command should be dpkg -L firmware-misc-nonfree | grep kbl_dmc_ver1_04.bin
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2851[23:16:43] <somiaj> jdflkjsfsl: oh yea, -L not -S...thanks
2852[23:16:47] <jdflkjsfsl> *dpkg-query -L
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2854[23:16:55] <somiaj> I was using -S here to testing for things, and dpkg -L would be just fine
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2856[23:17:39] <dka> is it possible that the x1 carbon gen 7 is too know for having proper display driver ?
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2863[23:19:42] <SanchoPensa> somiaj: you delivered the path to the solution. homing in on it; I did now install xfc4 for, which I am actually using, tells me, all the newest version, KDE and gnome, the latter two I had never fully installed in ages, BUT, the originally 59 lines in the autoremove statement are now reduced to 35 lines! so, there IS some metapackage missing. Do you guys by any chance have an idea, how to locate, which meta-package that could be? petn-r
2864[23:19:42] <SanchoPensa> andall
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2867[23:20:33] <SanchoPensa> fist output was this: replaced-url
2868[23:20:47] <SanchoPensa> latest output is this: replaced-url
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2870[23:21:32] <kopax> somiaj, replaced-url
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2872[23:21:44] <kopax> replaced-url
2873[23:22:14] <KAkiSHii> hello i have resolved my probleme for installation after operating systeme with most clean installe with good parts
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2876[23:23:19] <KAkiSHii> so i want to download packet from serveur repostory french but download speed is very low and i want to change mirror how to change mirror please ?
2877[23:24:00] <SanchoPensa> KAkiSHii: they are in /etc/apt/sources.list
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2880[23:24:39] <jdflkjsfsl> KAkiSHii: you can grab some from here replaced-url
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2882[23:25:11] <KAkiSHii> how can i change my default mirror
2883[23:25:28] <jdflkjsfsl> edit /etc/apt/sources.list
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2887[23:25:55] <SanchoPensa> KAkiSHii: here is a list of mirrors, scroll down to france: replaced-url
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2889[23:26:19] <SanchoPensa> oh. what jdflkjsfsl said. :D
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2891[23:26:30] <KAkiSHii> and with the graphic interface ?
2892[23:26:45] <SanchoPensa> KAkiSHii: nope, on command line
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2894[23:27:17] <SanchoPensa> KAkiSHii: use a terminal and enter for example sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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2896[23:28:15] <jdflkjsfsl> idots
2897[23:28:19] <jdflkjsfsl> lmao jks
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2899[23:29:20] <KAkiSHii> this command does not give anything
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2903[23:30:30] <SanchoPensa> you might have to install nano first, that is a command line editor, you can install it by 'sudo apt-get install nano' enter without the ' ' obviously.
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2905[23:31:03] <RoyK> SanchoPensa: nano is in by default
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2907[23:31:51] <SanchoPensa> RoyK: in that case i do not understand, what the frenchie means by 'that command does not give anything'...
2908[23:31:53] <KAkiSHii> Cannot send to nick/channel
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2910[23:32:17] <SanchoPensa> KAkiSHii: what are you trying to send?
2911[23:32:41] <KAkiSHii> i want to go in other canal but when i send message : Cannot send to nick/channel
2912[23:32:53] <SanchoPensa> lol
2913[23:33:02] <SanchoPensa> it is /j #channelname
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2915[23:33:05] <RoyK> perhaps you're banned
2916[23:33:20] <KAkiSHii> lol banned ?
2917[23:33:35] <SanchoPensa> RoyK: nah, he enterend /msg channelname
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2919[23:33:46] <SanchoPensa> instead of /j
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2923[23:36:25] <KAkiSHii> I want to change channel, when I send a message in my country's channel here is the error: cannot send to nick/channel
2924[23:36:41] <KAkiSHii> u_U
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2931[23:38:10] <inna> to the project evangelists: after six hours of trying to get the nvidia driver to run, i gave up. i will use ubuntu, where accelerated graphics work out of the box.
2932[23:38:24] <KAkiSHii> I want to change channel, when I send a message in my country's channel here is the error: cannot send to nick/channel
2933[23:38:28] <KAkiSHii> up
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2936[23:39:13] <inna> which is a bummer, given ubuntu is based on debian.
2937[23:39:56] <KAkiSHii> why nobody answer ?
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2939[23:40:00] <KAkiSHii> I want to change channel, when I send a message in my country's channel here is the error: cannot send to nick/channel
2940[23:40:02] <KAkiSHii> up
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2943[23:40:06] <humpled> KAkiSHii that could mean you need to be registered to freenode to join that channel
2944[23:40:31] <KAkiSHii> ahhh okey
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2946[23:40:36] <KAkiSHii> thank's
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2948[23:40:55] <inna> KAkiSHii: here's a tip: with questions like "why's nobody answering my question?" you are making people not answer you question.
2949[23:41:18] <inna> the rule is: join, ask your question, be patient.
2950[23:41:21] <SanchoPensa> inna: what's wrong with nuveau?
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2953[23:42:18] <inna> performance/stability
2954[23:42:24] <KAkiSHii> @inna Thank you for your feedback, it helps me a lot (Lol)
2955[23:42:31] <allizom> HelloShitty: Debian provides vpcs and dynamips (latter one is non-free) in the repos
2956[23:42:33] <KAkiSHii> u_u
2957[23:42:41] <inna> nouveau is reverse engineerd software
2958[23:43:36] <SanchoPensa> inna: I could not tell any bad experiences abozut nouveau. except, that it misses the firmware after my upgrade to buster. :D
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2960[23:44:12] <KAkiSHii> Sorry for the inconvenience. Thank you.
2961[23:44:28] <inna> you're welcome!
2962[23:44:36] <KAkiSHii> ;)
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2964[23:46:13] <KAkiSHii> with linuxmint, for install packet, this is the same process as debian?
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2966[23:49:13] <somiaj> dka: still not working if you plug in a monintor the the hdmi port? After you plugin the monintor run 'xrandr -q' from a terminal inside of X, do you see the hdmi being connected in the output?
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2973[23:53:39] <graphicsv> Is it possible to install mesa from replaced-url
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