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3 [00:04:32] <Jmabsd> Shittux is depreciating sysctl(2), wtf?? replaced-url
4 [00:04:33] <Jmabsd> what's the thought?
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26 [00:19:13] <trek00> Jmabsd: check this replaced-url
27 [00:19:18] <m0rd3cai> Hey ive got a weird question. linux years ago when it would load, it would display all the loading information. Is there a way to show that information again? a setting I can change? ive googled but i'm not hitting the right keywords.
28 [00:19:43] <Jmabsd> ah i see now.
29 [00:21:27] <trek00> m0rd3cai: probably you have GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT with quiet in /etc/default/grub
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31 [00:23:35] <m0rd3cai> thanks trek00 that at least gives me a direction to go from here!
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33 [00:24:08] <trek00> m0rd3cai: you should remove quiet from the kernel command line
34 [00:24:25] <m0rd3cai> your right. Should I remove the whole line or just quiet and leave ""
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36 [00:24:41] <somiaj> m0rd3cai: second, just leave ""
37 [00:25:06] <somiaj> m0rd3cai: that way if you need to add thinsg to that in the future, it is already in place. Also you must run 'update-grub' after you make changes there for the changes to take affect.
38 [00:25:08] <m0rd3cai> cool man, lets see what happens
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117 [01:28:33] <kreyren> Where should i point `PKG_CONFIG_PATH` on debian?
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120 [01:30:22] <dvs> kreyren, it depends who's gonna need it.
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126 [01:32:52] <kreyren> dvs, apparently wine for WoW64
127 [01:32:59] <kreyren> replaced-url
128 [01:33:21] <dvs> so everyone's gonna use wine?
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131 [01:38:12] <Gigglebyte> Is there a plugin tool that would allow me to search the file manager?
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182 [02:19:49] <Gigglebyte> Another problem is that I have to reset the display from ascending to descending with each instance of viewing. This is a pane and needlessly takes up my time. Is there a tool that would allow the viewing order to stay the same?
183 [02:20:09] <Gigglebyte> I am using the thunar file manager and the XFCE Desktop.
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278 [03:45:55] <annadane> what is "default polkit" in debian? i'm trying to install one in openbox so virt-manager can work
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280 [03:47:02] <annadane> i guess policykit-1
281 [03:47:22] <annadane> oh, but it's already installed.
282 [03:47:30] <annadane> sigh. guess i'll just add myself to libvirt
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303 [04:06:00] <zapatista> Trying to compile a software and apt-get reports some hash mismatches (for buster 10.1). Should I suspect the DVD image is tampered with?
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306 [04:10:44] <karlpinc`> zapatista: Or the image is corrupted -- assuming you're talking about trying to install with apt-get.
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308 [04:11:14] <zapatista> I believe you are right. I checked the file sizes and they are all zeros.
309 [04:11:45] <zapatista> Now I will try to use net source for those files.
310 [04:11:52] <karlpinc> zapatista: Having a dvd image is mostly useful for off-line work.
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313 [04:12:31] <zapatista> karlpinc: I am using a dvd, so my computer would not connect a foreign source. Call me paranoid.
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315 [04:13:06] <sponix> zapatista: you are paranoid
316 [04:13:31] <zapatista> Yay!...
317 [04:13:37] <karlpinc> zapatista: apt ensures security with cryptography.
318 [04:14:26] <karlpinc> zapatista: So long as your initial install image is not altered apt will have the cryptographic keys that prevent tampering.
319 [04:15:26] <karlpinc> zapatista: And, using the net lets you also use security.debian.org as a source, so you get security patches. Without them you are open to known vulnerabilities.
320 [04:16:01] <sponix> zapatista: if you are on the interwebs, and the rig will be, you might as well let it pull updates that way.. Or you are the security risk :)
321 [04:16:22] <sponix> karlpinc: damn, you totally beat me, and worded it better at the same time
322 [04:17:06] <zapatista> Now I changed the sources.
323 [04:17:18] <zapatista> So the apt-get might pull it from the ftp mirror.
324 [04:17:28] <karlpinc> zapatista: Don't forget to "apt-get update".
325 [04:17:35] <zapatista> I would.
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331 [04:24:00] <zapatista> Thank you all.
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372 [04:48:34] <un214> How do I disable video driver initialization until after root is mounted?
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374 [04:49:53] <un214> Encrypted root filesystem is in use; screen is trashed between video driver initialization and console-settings kicking in
375 [04:50:01] <un214> and console-settings won't run on initrd at all
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381 [04:58:33] <GenTooMan> has anyone had an issue with X org server crashing whilst running eclipse or eclipse based applications with debian 10?
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383 [04:59:31] <zapatista> I experienced dead slowness, which in many cases I cannot recover the system from.
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387 [05:00:24] <zapatista> To risk attracting ire of debian/linux lovers/enthiusiasts I would say that's why I use eclipse on other platforms.
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391 [05:01:56] <un214> I didn't like Eclipse on Windows 98 and I don't like it now.
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393 [05:03:59] <GenTooMan> xorg segfaults and wipes out all applications immediately a drops me at the log in prompt. The event takes milliseconds it's so fast. I've had 12 crashes since yesterday so I thought I would ask.
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397 [05:05:44] <GenTooMan> Running regular eclipse causes the application to go nuts as if Java were refreshing it's display every time an X event occurred.
398 [05:06:37] <sponix> GenTooMan: are you running this on a potato ?
399 [05:06:38] <zapatista> Is it openJDK or regular java?
400 [05:06:53] <un214> Try running it inside Xnest w/o Xrandr extensions
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402 [05:08:29] <un214> I can blit a 5k screen fast enough that I can handle one per mouse event with Xshm; something's really exotic going on here
403 [05:11:22] <GenTooMan> sponix no a PC with 8G ram and 4 cores AMD64 it's old but has been fine running eclipse until the debian 10 upgrade whenever I run eclipse it's like a role of the dice if everything gets wiped out. Xnest will check that out. multi-blade concept
404 [05:12:04] <sponix> GenTooMan: back up your data and do a fresh install ... I have a strange feeling it will fix your issues ;)
405 [05:12:04] <GenTooMan> JDK is openjdk 11.0.5 2019-10-15
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407 [05:12:36] <GenTooMan> sponix if I don't run eclipse it runs for months.
408 [05:13:41] <sponix> GenTooMan: if you have the drive space, and wait time to launch -- you could try it as the flatpak. see if it does anything different
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426 [05:28:11] <GenTooMan> sponix I have 3 eclipse based tools ... 1 that doesn't have the issue 1 that does and 1 that only did the x org seg fault fun once.
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428 [05:29:21] <GenTooMan> I wonder if it's a combination of a specific eclipse version and the setup. I'll see what I can do with xnest erstwhile.
429 [05:29:22] <sponix> GenTooMan: I don't have a need for eclipse .. Best I could do is drop it inside a VM and see if it plays nice.. I have a feeling though, in my Fresh Debian 10 VM -- it will
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434 [05:32:42] <GenTooMan> instead of xnest how about xypher since it's a newer nested server type?
435 [05:32:55] <zapatista> GenTooMan: in my case, I had to change to regular java and the performance was improved.
436 [05:33:15] <zapatista> However, the performance issues might also be related to full disk encryption.
437 [05:33:37] <sponix> zapatista: by regular java, you mean "oracle java" ?
438 [05:33:46] <zapatista> Yep
439 [05:34:07] <sponix> I don't know which is bundled inside the flatpak
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443 [05:35:01] <sponix> there are things that really do like Oracle Java though.
444 [05:35:40] <zapatista> With openJDK i2p was a resource hog. But this was 2 years ago.
445 [05:35:46] <zapatista> Now it might be better.
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449 [05:36:01] <sponix> zapatista: nope, that hasn't changed at all
450 [05:36:35] <zapatista> I am running i2p right now and it does not consume all resources on my debian 10.1.
451 [05:36:51] <zapatista> But I am a noob. Maybe I did something stupid.
452 [05:37:04] <zapatista> In the previous case, I mean.
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470 [05:58:41] <GenTooMan> Hmm I noticed that OpenJDK Java may have a memory leak. I wonder if their are allocation issues. If one accidentally accessed memory that was released that could cause a segfault.
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472 [05:59:24] <sponix> Java leak memory... NEVER !
473 [05:59:26] <sponix> lol
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488 [06:12:07] <GenTooMan> Brain is fried have to sleep.
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517 [06:46:00] <RoyK> GenTooMan: java is designed never to leak memory by just using the garbage collector to remove whatever's not used. whether the garbage collector and its friends leak memory is another question, though ;)
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525 [06:52:49] <torchinz> Hi. I was thinking about the effect of increasing paging file size on a vm OS. Can that logic be used in allotting lesser RAM to vm, so the host can have a bigger share?
526 [06:54:14] <RoyK> if you want to let the guest OS swap out more memory and leave more for the host, check the vm.swappiness variable on the guest
527 [06:54:19] <RoyK> sysctl vm.swappiness
528 [06:54:25] <RoyK> must be run as root
529 [06:54:49] <RoyK> default is 60, that is, 40 on rhel/centos7
530 [06:54:56] <RoyK> but 60 everywhere else
531 [06:55:14] <RoyK> setting that to 100 will make linux start paging out less used stuff earlier
532 [06:55:42] <torchinz> Trying to run Win 10 on Debian buster, if that helps
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534 [06:55:44] <RoyK> setting it to 1 will practically disable paging unless the shit hits the fan
535 [06:56:09] <RoyK> I have no idea how to tune windows' "swappiness" - sorry
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537 [06:56:34] <RoyK> google knows
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539 [06:56:43] <RoyK> I'll be AFK for a while
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541 [06:58:03] <torchinz> Thanks RoyK :)
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549 [07:03:04] <torchinz> To anyone else, who'd like to help :) I have been on Debian for quite sometime and have been loving it. The only thing that is stopping me into adopting it fully is iTunes (tried Wine and Winetricks in vain).
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554 [07:06:10] <nkuttler> torchinz: i like quodlibet
555 [07:06:28] <torchinz> let me google that out
556 [07:07:07] <torchinz> looks like a music manager
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558 [07:07:27] <torchinz> I like itunes for its syncing, backing up and restore features of my phone
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579 [07:19:17] <swift110> ok
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596 [07:30:42] <Keepco> Hello. I'm currently trying to package something, can I somehow get `dh` to not run `dh_update_autotools_config`in build?
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598 [07:31:32] <Keepco> I'm already doing `dh "$@" --without autoreconf --without autotools-dev` in my `rules` file but it seems like that doesn't cut it
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639 [08:09:46] <loupe> what is the name of the CPU burn-in software. I think my CPU is going bad.
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643 [08:11:00] <loupe> To clarify... I need a CPU testing software like memtest is for memory but for a CPU
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645 [08:13:26] <ayew> theres stress testers
646 [08:14:14] <loupe> yes... that is what I want ... so long as it reports errors... my system crashes instantly upon logging into gnome in buster... but not for stretch
647 [08:14:51] <ayew> but memory and cpus arent analogous in error testing - so i dont know if stress testers will tell you naything other than "if you stress the cpu it the machine will crash"
648 [08:15:08] <ayew> one option replaced-url
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652 [08:17:22] <loupe> in buster, the system seems to be stable so long as I do not log into gnome.. I can do stuff in the shell without any errors so far
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658 [08:20:56] <han-solo> , pavuctl
659 [08:20:57] <ayew> any reason why you think its a hardware fault?
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663 [08:24:23] <loupe> yes... in buster when gnome locked up (even the mouse pointer busy indicator froze up) I went to a root shell and I got an error that said something like "BUG: CPU 1 froze for 22 seconds"
664 [08:25:36] <loupe> I did a fresh install of buster and the very first time I logged into gnome, it locks up after about 2 seconds
665 [08:25:49] <loupe> ...err... 22 seconds
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669 [08:27:02] <loupe> I'm using the same computer right now with stretch and it does lock up every once in a while
670 [08:27:43] <ashwini> Could you please check if you are able to login using in command line mode after pressing Alt+Ctrl+F4
671 [08:27:55] <loupe> I'm looking through syslog to see if I can find an error about it
672 [08:29:09] <Ede|Popede> oops. had this same problem with wheezy, went away when i switched to stretch. did some stress tests then (videos was enough, streaming sites with encrypted streams are rather heavy), never had any problems since.
673 [08:29:10] <loupe> yes, I COULD log into root shell doing that... I even ran jigdo to download a DVD and it worked without errors... I also ran memtest86+ and did badblocks on my HD and got no errors with either of them
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681 [08:32:44] <ashwini> after logging into root shell give a try to `systemctl isolate graphical.target`
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685 [08:35:19] <loupe> ok... but I have to install buster again... I'll do a dual install
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702 [08:46:46] <loupe> I cannot find the bug in syslog... i think it was a bug that looked like this:
703 [08:46:48] <loupe> Oct 23 14:30:56 foo kernel: [ 7.829546] nouveau BUG: CPU 1 froze for 22 seconds
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706 [08:48:13] <loupe> I was getting 'nouveau' errors after gnome crashed
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748 [09:32:45] <wrksx> !paste
749 [09:32:45] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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752 [09:33:58] <JohnMa> /msg NickServ REGISTER JohnMa mzymzy2009@qq.com
753 [09:34:23] <wrksx> Mornin!
754 [09:34:26] <plantroon> any idea when the MariaDB replication bug is gonna be fixed? It affects both Stretch and Buster :(
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758 [09:35:12] <wrksx> I was looking at a timer file for the first time. I'm wondering how can I know what the timer actually run?
759 [09:35:19] <wrksx> I was looking at this one:
760 [09:35:23] <wrksx> replaced-url
761 [09:35:27] <wrksx> a certbot tiemr
762 [09:35:32] <wrksx> tiemr/timer
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764 [09:35:51] <plantroon> every day at 12? :D kinda similar to cron it seems
765 [09:35:55] <plantroon> see systemd docs
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768 [09:36:13] <wrksx> No, I mean, what will it run as in what command
769 [09:36:14] <wrksx> =)
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773 [09:36:55] <plantroon> certbot.service perhaps, but yeah it is confusing..
774 [09:37:04] <plantroon> do systemctl list-timers, and see what it ACTIVATES
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778 [09:37:22] <ratrace> wrksx: times always run same named service units. foo.timer is running foo.service
779 [09:37:30] <ratrace> *timers
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783 [09:40:05] <wrksx> plantroon: nice command didn't now that one. It's not showing the right part of the table tho, clipped. How can I still see the last columns?
784 [09:40:18] <wrksx> ratrace: thanks, that makes perfect sense.
785 [09:40:22] <ratrace> wrksx: hit the right arrow
786 [09:40:40] <ratrace> wrksx: or use --no-pager option to systemctl
787 [09:40:42] <wrksx> lol can't believe I didn't even try that :/
788 [09:40:49] <wrksx> what a spoonfed me
789 [09:40:55] <wrksx> ty ratrace
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791 [09:41:40] <wrksx> apt-daily-upgrade.service? I hope this doesn't plan on upgrading the system automatically
792 [09:41:57] <plantroon> I didn't know that either, I bought an ultrawide monitor for systemd
793 [09:42:35] <wrksx> ahah
794 [09:43:15] <ratrace> wrksx: it does... but its plans are thwarted unless you have unattended upgrades installed, which you would if you installed GNOME or some other nonsense that pulled it in :)qq
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797 [09:43:56] <plantroon> actually you can choose to have unattended-upgrades install security updates during install.. I do that on some systems
798 [09:44:20] <plantroon> I mean, to have security updates installed automatically
799 [09:44:39] <ratrace> plantroon: problem with that is that it's misleading, it doesn't do all the updates and not correctly
800 [09:44:56] <ratrace> first, it doesn't restart services on library updates, second it doesn't reboot on kernel, libc updates.
801 [09:45:15] <plantroon> that's a good thing tbh, but yeah, makes the updates slightly pointless
802 [09:45:31] <ratrace> so I prefer tools like apticron tell me what's for update, and then I consult their changelogs, schedule the update, tests
803 [09:45:55] <plantroon> I get emails too xD also asks me to restart and stuff
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805 [09:46:02] <wrksx> I doesn't reboot -> I hope so that would be horrible
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808 [09:47:00] <humpled> huh
809 [09:47:24] <ratrace> wrksx: oh definitely yes, I'm just saying it's misleading because someone might consider they're covered with security fixes, while they're not, not in all cases.
810 [09:47:39] <wrksx> yeah I see what you mean
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812 [09:48:08] <wrksx> unattended-upgrades is installed
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814 [09:48:26] <ratrace> imho that's the worst kind of tool. tools that have implicit gotchas, that promise to do something EXCEPT this or that which isn't immediately obvious what it is.
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816 [09:48:41] <plantroon> like a government xD
817 [09:48:47] <wrksx> What have I done... Is there a way to know what package triggered it's installation?
818 [09:48:57] <humpled> but there is no 'security in all cases'
819 [09:49:19] <ratrace> humpled: no, but there is "applied all security patches that DO exist, and did so correctly"
820 [09:49:35] <ratrace> and by exist I mean in debian packaging.
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823 [09:50:33] <ratrace> wrksx: apt-cache rdepends --installed unattended-upgrades
824 [09:50:41] <wrksx> ty
825 [09:51:05] <wrksx> hum... it says python3-software-properties wth
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828 [09:51:18] <ratrace> packagekit maybe then?
829 [09:51:46] <wrksx> yes I have it too
830 [09:52:11] <ratrace> right, so I think that ultimately pulled it in
831 [09:52:23] <wrksx> but... What pulled pakagekit?
832 [09:52:32] <wrksx> I certainly didn't installed it
833 [09:52:35] <ratrace> gnome? what DE you have there
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835 [09:52:41] <wrksx> no DE that's a server
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837 [09:53:25] <wrksx> maybe I'll check dpkg's log
838 [09:54:08] <ratrace> hmm, no I was wrong, packagekit doesn't pull in unattended-upgrades. no idea then, check with that apt-cache command
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841 [09:56:53] <ratrace> funnily, I have packagekit on my i3-wm desktop machine, but I installed no DE from the installer...
842 [09:57:06] <ratrace> away with you, you treacherous thing!
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872 [10:10:17] <Gigglebyte> can someone guide me with installation of anbox in Debian 10 buster? I installed snapd, but can't get the command for anbox to install. I am using the commands found on this page replaced-url
873 [10:10:49] <Gigglebyte> I get error indicate it doesn't like the "classic"
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875 [10:13:51] <ratrace> Gigglebyte: then don't use classic
876 [10:14:05] <ratrace> you should really understand what that means for snapd before you install any snap.
877 [10:14:07] <Gigglebyte> ratrace> what should I use for a command?
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879 [10:14:34] <ratrace> Gigglebyte: for what, to install the anbox snap? I am guessing "snap install anbox"
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881 [10:15:13] <ratrace> Gigglebyte: oh wait it's anbox-installer. more info here: replaced-url
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883 [10:15:53] <ratrace> Gigglebyte: also note it's not a regular debian package and as such can't be supported here. snaps are containers that contain gods know what, and using that software can only be supported by the snap's vendor.
884 [10:16:03] <ratrace> (which is also teh whole point of snaps)
885 [10:16:04] <Gigglebyte> I get an error message indicating it isn't available on stable. Is it available in backports? I haven't checked, and not sure I have a backport line in my sources.list
886 [10:16:20] <ratrace> Gigglebyte: snaps have nothing to do with sources.list
887 [10:16:26] <Gigglebyte> ok
888 [10:16:34] <ratrace> they have nothing to do with any debian package
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890 [10:17:06] <ratrace> they're not debian packages. they are external, third party squashfs containers that are (supposed to be) agnostic to the underlying OS as long as the OS can run snapd.
891 [10:17:09] <Gigglebyte> Is this a safe install? I don't want to message up my os
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894 [10:17:57] <ratrace> Gigglebyte: I have no idea what anbox-installer does to the system. In general, snaps are _meant_ to be isolated from the rest of the OS, and that is true for the _installation_ of them. What they do at run time? Anyone's guess.
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896 [10:18:19] <ratrace> especially --classic ones which are then UNCONFINED
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898 [10:19:03] <Gigglebyte> ratrace> Classic won't install on Debian, but not sure what command I should use. This is what I get when trying to run the snap replaced-url
899 [10:19:25] <Gigglebyte> Sounds like I need to contact snap
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901 [10:20:13] <ratrace> Gigglebyte: yes, you need to seek help from the snap's vendor. here's the link: replaced-url
902 [10:20:28] <Gigglebyte> strange. It wouldn't install earlier, now its downloading.
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904 [10:21:10] <ratrace> Gigglebyte: also consult this please: replaced-url
905 [10:21:12] <Gigglebyte> Reason I want to do this is my cell phone is messed up, and ZTE won't do anything about fixing the latest OS problems. Can't download apps, nor upgrade old apps, and some apps deactivated without an upgrade.
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907 [10:21:23] <ratrace> It's an Ubuntu link because snapd is their product
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923 [10:31:00] <Gigglebyte> Well anbox and snap are supposedly installed, but nothing is in in my menu
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968 [11:05:14] <no_gravity> Good Morning
969 [11:05:22] <no_gravity> What could be a quick way to send a photo from an iPad to a Debian laptop?
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982 [11:20:53] <no_gravity> file.io did the trick!
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991 [11:27:36] <damo22> does anyone know where i can get the minimum package set to debootstrap debian hurd? i asked in #hurd but no one is around it seems, i dont think debootstrap with no params will work
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994 [11:29:12] <damo22> i looked in the installer image but it seems buried somewhere, im not familiar with the installer scripts
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1009 [11:40:06] <damo22> ahh its in .disk/base_include
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1025 [11:47:00] <overhaul> can someone help me setup libvirt
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1028 [11:48:34] <plantroon> yas
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1035 [11:50:39] <plantroon> you could be more specific as to what you need helpin with
1036 [11:51:02] <plantroon> like I set up libvirt to run Final Cut Pro and Battlefield 5 :D :D :D other than that I was happy with using Xen
1037 [11:51:18] <Lirion> nice postmortem :)
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1039 [11:51:45] <Lirion> this guy proved the theory that patience is antiproportional to precision
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1053 [11:57:00] <mcon> apparently codelite is not installable in Sid due to incompatible versions of libwxsqlite3-3.0-0. Did someone see this or there's some breakage on my side?
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1074 [12:04:20] <plantroon> Lirion: lol
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1078 [12:06:00] <plantroon> I am not used to people leaving IRC unless there is a war or something :( so I don't really read those join/quit messages
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1083 [12:07:35] <Lirion> plantroon: happens to all of us. we caught up with the speed of tech but not with the impatience of the new generations
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1138 [12:40:58] <sourcream> I am about to install debian 10 to my new laptop. I dont have internet connection except mobile network which I use on my windows machien
1139 [12:41:26] <sourcream> What ISO should I use? Does some the isos include the androids hotspot related drivers so i can use the mobile connection?
1140 [12:41:39] <sourcream> replaced-url
1141 [12:41:46] <sourcream> there is debian-10.1.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso
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1145 [12:46:18] <eypo> Assuming that your laptop's wifi card is supported by linux kernel, any iso should be fine. After all, you just have to enable hotspot in android phone, and then have your laptop connected to your phone over wifi...
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1150 [12:47:57] <eypo> disclaimer: I've never had the need to link to a wifi network during debian install, so I didn't test it myself
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1161 [12:57:30] <loupe> I had stretch installed, then I installed buster. but I allowed buster to format/use stretch's swap and it changed the UUID. I fixed that, and created another swap for buster, however, I now get the error about unable to find resume/suspend device in both OS's ... How do I fix this? I have had this issue before and have had to either reinstall the system or just wait for it to timeout every time I boot
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1163 [12:58:26] <loupe> what I don't understand is why debian hibernates evertime I turn off the computer... what do I do if I don't want it to hibernate... this is on a fresh install of both OS's
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1165 [12:58:48] <sourcream> eypo, im using usb tethering
1166 [12:58:58] <sourcream> in debian page it said that network manager should have that functionality
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1168 [12:59:26] <eypo> loupe: you can get swap partition UUID using blkid
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1173 [13:00:19] <eypo> loupe: then edit /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume and place your swap UUID there
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1177 [13:00:34] <eypo> loupe: update-initramfs -k all -u
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1179 [13:00:41] <eypo> loupe: and that's it
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1182 [13:01:03] <ashwini> what exactly do you mean when u say turn off,are you using switch to turn off or desktop button.
1183 [13:01:04] <Guest47666> When I use the "time" command in Debian 10 (buster), then I only get a single line: "1.390u 3.677s 0:00.91 556.0% 0+0k 0+0io 0pf+0w
1184 [13:01:18] <Guest47666> Why is that? Shouldnt I get real, user and sys time?
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1187 [13:01:44] <Guest47666> If I want to time a command then what would the actual time correspond in that line?
1188 [13:02:16] <ashwini> check if your time commands if an alias ?
1189 [13:02:21] <loupe> ashwini> I turn off normally... using proper 'shutdown -h now' or using power button in gnome
1190 [13:02:22] <eypo> sourcream: then I'd just install using the iso, say no to online updates, and when the install is finished and you had rebooted your laptop, then do the usb thethering thing and apt update / apt upgrade
1191 [13:04:14] <BCMM> sourcream: FYI "hotspot" usually means wifi tethering rather than USB tethering
1192 [13:04:22] <BCMM> USB tethering ought to work fine in the installer
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1204 [13:08:20] <loupe> I had one other problem... when I installed buster I told it that my system time was local time.. (which was UTC not local) and now when I change from stretch to buster and back, it says error about partition timestamps being in the future ... I cannot figure out how to tell buster that system time is UTC and not local time. I can change the time, but stretch changes ti back
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1211 [13:10:54] <eypo> loupe: replaced-url
1212 [13:11:42] <loupe> eypo> thanks. you're a big help
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1217 [13:14:11] <eypo> loupe: this can help you too, replaced-url
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1224 [13:19:02] <loupe> eypo> I just have stretch and buster installed
1225 [13:20:58] <eypo> loupe: i know. even if that doc is wriiten with ubuntu in mind, it probably applied to debian too. The debian wiki seems outdated
1226 [13:21:07] <eypo> s/applied/applies
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1228 [13:21:35] <loupe> ashwini> I did what you told me.. when I logged into gnome... the screen went bonkers as in random giberish pixels and changed different patterns depending on where I had the mouse on the screen.. the mouse pointer was the only visible thing besized the pixels noise
1229 [13:22:03] <eypo> ok, forget what I said
1230 [13:22:11] <eypo> debian wiki is right.
1231 [13:23:36] <eypo> I was checking things as I wrote that, and I mistakenly used a ubuntu VM instead of a debian one.
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1233 [13:24:08] <loupe> ashwini> then after about 22 seconds it locked up... keyboard num-lock light went out, keyboard did not respond mouse pointer froze... had to cycle the power to recover
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1237 [13:25:22] <loupe> i'm using the same computer right now using stretch and everything seems to work more or less... but once in awhile it does lock up in stretch
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1243 [13:36:00] <loupe> also... the computer system speaker beeps periodically when it is having errors after it locks up
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1245 [13:36:48] <eypo> loupe: I'd run a couple of loops of memtest86(+) to rule out RAM errors, and use 'stress' to check if heat is an issue in your machine
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1257 [13:47:22] <BCMM> what's the state of cpuburn on today's CPUs? is it still relevant?
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1262 [13:51:13] <BCMM> hmm, looks like it was removed due to being irrelevant to modern CPUs. i wonder if there's anything today that takes the approach of trying to use the hottest instructions instead of just keeping the CPU busy in general.
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1264 [13:53:44] <plantroon> BCMM: just run some avx512 stuff
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1266 [13:54:12] <BCMM> plantroon: interesting, is there a burn-in test specifically for that?
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1268 [13:54:20] <BCMM> or an avx512 specific benchmark?
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1270 [13:55:28] <colo-work> if you're on GenuineIntel, consider their LINPACK distribution
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1274 [13:55:48] <mcon> Second try: apparently codelite is not installable in Sid due to incompatible versions of libwxsqlite3-3.0-0. Did someone see this or there's some breakage on my side?
1275 [13:55:49] <colo-work> that beast will _kill_ anything that's not thermally sound
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1288 [14:06:07] <jelly> mcon: for sid issues, try
1289 [14:06:10] <jelly> !debian-next
1290 [14:06:10] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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1296 [14:07:42] <mcon> jelly: Thanks, I'll try there
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1302 [14:08:59] <jelly> mcon: you'll probably need a NickServ account on OFTC to be able to talk in there
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1344 [14:40:44] <enoq> hi, is there a way to install a specific version of a package
1345 [14:40:49] <enoq> e.g. to pin it for docker rebuild
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1347 [14:41:00] <enoq> I'm looking at replaced-url
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1350 [14:41:54] <enoq> the install script pulls: postgresql-11-postgis-2.5=$POSTGIS_VERSION
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1354 [14:42:13] <enoq> using 2.5.1+dfsg-1 as $POSTGIS_VERSION doesn't work
1355 [14:42:25] <enoq> E: Version '2.5.1+dfsg-1' for 'postgresql-11-postgis-2.5' was not found
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1360 [14:44:31] <rootkit97> Hello. During the installation I can pick "Debian desktop environment" and under those "...LXDE" and "...GNOME" and such. Is there any difference if I just select "...LXDE" and when I select both "Debian desktop environment" and "...LXDE"?
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1364 [14:46:05] <petn-randall> rootkit97: Yes. In the latter case you'll have two DEs installed, which you can pick from when you log in.
1365 [14:46:08] <Haohmaru> i think Debian desktop env would include some basic GUI apps
1366 [14:46:24] <Haohmaru> or i might be wrong
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1368 [14:46:43] <greycat> There isn't actually a "Debian desktop env". If you select "desktop" in the installer, but don't pick a *specific* desktop, the installer chooses one for you. Usually GNOME.
1369 [14:46:48] <petn-randall> rootkit97: IIRC Debian desktop environment used to be equivalent to Gnome, but now is the same as Xfce? I'm not sure, haven't used it in ages.
1370 [14:47:14] <greycat> It's still GNOME in the standard netinst. If they download an image that has a desktop in its name, then it may be different in that image.
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1372 [14:48:37] <plantroon> which udeb contains wipefs? :D
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1374 [14:48:54] <wrksx> I want to prevent ssh root login even with ssh key how would you do that?
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1376 [14:49:22] <greycat> wrksx: "PermitRootLogin no" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, and then restart ssh
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1379 [14:50:34] <wrksx> I was in doubt because my /etc/ssh/sshd_config doesn't contain commented "PermitRootLogin" line... But ty I'll try it now
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1383 [14:51:12] <plantroon> it does, with the value of prohibit-password
1384 [14:51:24] <plantroon> by default at least
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1388 [14:52:44] <wrksx> plantroon: yeah my bad, case sensitivity issues...
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1393 [14:55:17] <plantroon> any way to wipe out partitions on a gpt disk in debian installer? :D like with wipefs -a /dev/sda ...
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1402 [14:58:32] <darxmurf> shred ?
1403 [14:58:45] <plantroon> who made debian installer so difficult to automate :( that thing is ridiculous :( I won't use FAI because the project seems unreliable and requires quite an infrastructure around it, I want that preseed file working :(
1404 [14:58:51] <plantroon> darxmurf: shred will probably take a long time
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1406 [14:59:06] <darxmurf> you just want to erase the partition table ?
1407 [14:59:07] <karlpinc> plantroon: dd a few blocks
1408 [14:59:09] <plantroon> I don't need secure erase, I need it to wipe any partition signatures (inc. crypto, raid, gpt, everything)
1409 [14:59:12] <darxmurf> dd then
1410 [14:59:41] <plantroon> if the partition table is recreated the same way, then mdadm for example will show me errors that there's already a superblock at the same position
1411 [15:00:01] <plantroon> and if the RAID array starts far from the beginning of the disk, after EFI partition, then dd-ing a few blocks won't help
1412 [15:00:28] <plantroon> this has a remedy of mdadm --zero-superblock, but I want some do-it-all command like wipefs that will remove every possible metadata from the disk
1413 [15:00:31] <plantroon> without full overwrite
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1418 [15:04:44] <darxmurf> if you dd a few sectors it should be fine isn't it ?
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1421 [15:05:38] <Akuw> hi
1422 [15:05:46] <Akuw> what is the procedure to clone a linux disk
1423 [15:05:48] <Akuw> ?
1424 [15:05:53] <plantroon> darxmurf: sadly no :(
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1426 [15:06:20] <plantroon> Akuw: well there are many tbh, what's the source, what's the target? filesystems, etc ...
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1429 [15:06:43] <plantroon> but generally dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=4M
1430 [15:06:48] <plantroon> sda being source and sdb being destination
1431 [15:07:02] <Akuw> source: field computer target: field computer
1432 [15:07:07] <Akuw> ext3
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1435 [15:07:25] <plantroon> are they connected via network or how?
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1440 [15:08:21] <Akuw> i can connect
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1446 [15:09:32] <Akuw> what if i take the disk out and put in the new computer?
1447 [15:09:40] <plantroon> that's the better way
1448 [15:09:53] <plantroon> (faster, at least)
1449 [15:10:10] <plantroon> are both disks offline? that is, no OS is running off of them?
1450 [15:10:20] <Akuw> yes can be offline
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1452 [15:10:28] <Akuw> it will detect hardware?
1453 [15:10:28] <plantroon> and are they the same size?
1454 [15:10:38] <Akuw> i dont know
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1456 [15:10:45] <Akuw> i have to check
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1469 [15:15:11] <karlpinc> An important question is "what are you really trying to do?" Why do you wwant the disk "cloned"?
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1482 [15:16:17] <lord2y> hello gentlemen I have a question regarding to pbuilder: how can I manage the epoch while building a package?
1483 [15:16:35] <greycat> the package version is taken from your changelog entry
1484 [15:17:16] <Akuw> because we need all software in that disk to put in another computer
1485 [15:17:35] <lord2y> greycat so I can add the epoch in the changelog?
1486 [15:17:52] <darxmurf> Akuw: check clonezilla
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1488 [15:17:58] <greycat> zlib (1:1.2.11.dfsg-1) unstable; urgency=low
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1490 [15:18:10] <karlpinc> Akuw: Do you need the config files as well, or just the software?
1491 [15:18:19] <Akuw> everything
1492 [15:18:20] <Akuw> all disk
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1494 [15:20:07] <lord2y> greycat what if I would like to get the version from the tag of the git repo?
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1499 [15:21:39] <lord2y> currently In
1500 [15:21:48] <lord2y> (sorry) currently I'm using this command
1501 [15:21:49] <lord2y> GIT_PBUILDER_OUTPUT_DIR=../build-area VERSION=$(git describe --tags --match 'v[0-9]*') DIST=bionic git-pbuilder -us -uc -b -nc
1502 [15:22:21] <greycat> *plonk*
1503 [15:22:34] <greycat> Take your ubuntu crap to #ubuntu.
1504 [15:22:45] <lord2y> ignore bionic
1505 [15:22:53] <lord2y> I'm building package for debian
1506 [15:22:53] <darxmurf> ^^
1507 [15:23:00] <plantroon> :D :D :D
1508 [15:23:10] <lord2y> just copied the wrong line, sorry about that
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1525 [15:30:30] <darsie> Can I change 'deb replaced-url
1526 [15:30:47] <greycat> stretch, buster?
1527 [15:30:53] <darsie> yes, I'm upgrading.
1528 [15:31:08] <darsie> two changes here.
1529 [15:31:12] <greycat> then yes
1530 [15:31:15] <darsie> thx
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1533 [15:32:50] <karlpinc> Akuw: Copy the whole OS and you're also going to get the machine's IP address, ssh identity, etc. Anyway, copy at the disk block level with dd, or use rsync to copy at the file system level.
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1535 [15:33:43] <greycat> If the cloned disk is going into a different system, the network interface names may also need to change.
1536 [15:34:06] <greycat> You may need different firmware, etc.
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1541 [15:35:20] <plantroon> how do I just tell partman what to mount where if I partitioned manually ?
1542 [15:36:43] <wwilliam> how to this in the computer? if i get paid every 2 weeks and my next payday is on the 31st of oct, for Feb and Mar 2020 what are my pay dates?
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1544 [15:37:20] <greycat> We don't know what your pay schedule is.
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1546 [15:37:31] <plantroon> xD
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1548 [15:37:41] <wwilliam> if i get paid every 2 weeks and my next payday is on the 31st of oct
1549 [15:38:02] <greycat> That's still too vague. Do you mean twice a month? Every 14 days? Something else?
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1551 [15:38:16] <wwilliam> ok every 14 days
1552 [15:38:24] <greycat> So there are some months where you get paid 3 times?
1553 [15:38:30] <plantroon> lucky man
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1556 [15:38:41] <wwilliam> Yes
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1558 [15:38:50] <greycat> wooledg:~$ date -d '+14 days'
1559 [15:38:50] <greycat> Thu Nov 7 08:38:47 EST 2019
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1566 [15:39:36] <wwilliam> Yes
1567 [15:40:36] <wwilliam> I will take a look at a big calendar to see when i get pay in Feb and Mar of 2010 Thanks for your time greycat
1568 [15:40:51] <greycat> oo...kkk...
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1571 [15:41:04] <greycat> "we're going to need a bigger spoon"
1572 [15:41:40] <greycat> wwilliam: for ((i=7; i<=77; i++)); do date -d "+$i days"; done
1573 [15:41:59] <greycat> You should have been able to construct that in whatever language you are comfortable in.
1574 [15:42:10] <greycat> oops, wrong...
1575 [15:42:13] <wwilliam> oh shoot i did this in debian? sorry my apologies i thought i was in bash
1576 [15:42:19] <greycat> wwilliam: for ((i=7; i<=77; i+=7)); do date -d "+$i days"; done
1577 [15:42:33] <wwilliam> Thanks again greycat
1578 [15:42:36] <greycat> god damn it, still wrong. i+=14 is what you wanted
1579 [15:42:39] <plantroon> there are freaking accountants here yet there is nobody comfy with helping in d-i :D
1580 [15:42:41] <greycat> anyway, you can figure it out from the clues
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1583 [15:42:58] <wwilliam> Thanks greycat
1584 [15:43:13] <greycat> adjust the numbers until it's right
1585 [15:43:14] <karlpinc> plantroon: We all like money. O;-)
1586 [15:43:27] <plantroon> I do but I don't get paid that much, sysadmin salary xD
1587 [15:43:39] <plantroon> in Slovakia
1588 [15:43:41] <plantroon> :D
1589 [15:43:46] <annadane> !bitcoin all
1590 [15:44:45] <darsie> I it ok/good/better to use aptitude instead of apt or apt-get for upgrading stretch to buster?
1591 [15:45:05] <plantroon> isn't aptitude just a frontend for apt-get ?
1592 [15:45:05] <greycat> The release notes use apt-get, I believe.
1593 [15:45:12] <greycat> They never use aptitude. aptitude does crazy shit.
1594 [15:45:24] <darsie> ok
1595 [15:45:27] <greycat> no, aptitude is not a front-end for apt-get.
1596 [15:45:35] <plantroon> so it's its own thing?
1597 [15:45:39] <plantroon> wow
1598 [15:45:46] <plantroon> scary
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1600 [15:45:53] <darsie> I heard aptitude has better dependency resolution.
1601 [15:46:01] <greycat> they all use libapt for the back-end stuff
1602 [15:46:23] <greycat> It has more complicated dependency resolution, and it tends to shoot itself in the foot with full release upgrades.
1603 [15:46:32] <darsie> ok
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1605 [15:46:45] <greycat> It might be possible to guide it into a working solution, but that would require you to know what you're doing.
1606 [15:48:35] <plantroon> anyway, anybody here knows how do I just tell partman what to mount where if I partitioned the disk manually ? So that I just make assignments like mount / at "/dev/mapper/something", mount /boot/efi at /dev/sdb1 ...
1607 [15:48:55] <GenTooMan> my foot is still healing from the last full upgrade.
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1610 [15:50:55] <trek00> plantroon: you should select "use this partition as filesystem", select ext4 and then the mount point
1611 [15:51:08] <plantroon> how do I do that in preseed file xD
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1617 [15:52:19] <annadane> very carefully
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1620 [15:53:53] <plantroon> annadane: no need to be careful, it is a VM
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1624 [15:54:12] <annadane> i'm just being silly, and joking
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1629 [15:56:22] <trek00> plantroon: I don't know how to do with a preseed, i hope there is some documentation other than the source code of debian installer, but if you need to install the very same system on many computers, why not to dd the entire disk?
1630 [15:56:48] <trek00> plantroon: once you have finished one install, you can make a disk image and then copy this image on all the other servers
1631 [15:57:12] <plantroon> more of a personal challenge I guess :D
1632 [15:57:38] <trek00> :)
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1634 [15:57:44] <plantroon> like I want to have the config documented per-computer
1635 [15:58:04] <plantroon> so if sth goes wrong in the future, I can redeploy
1636 [15:58:09] <plantroon> easily
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1638 [15:59:26] <plantroon> yesterday I thought I figured it out and that it created RAID and LUKS correctly, but it was just using the existing RAID that was arleady created before ;( damn
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1657 [16:16:13] <superlinux> just a yes/no question: does nftables support layer7 filtering?
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1676 [16:22:22] <superlinux> just a yes/no question: does nftables support layer7 filtering?
1677 [16:22:34] <greycat> !repeating
1678 [16:22:35] <dpkg> We read your question the first time, and if we haven't replied, there's a good chance we either don't know, don't have time to answer, or someone doesn't like you. Repeating is annoying. <replaced-url
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1685 [16:26:08] <trek00> superlinux: no you need some extra tools, like proxies or a classifier
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1690 [16:27:13] <trek00> superlinux: check the layer 7 section in replaced-url
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1694 [16:29:48] <lord2y> greycat thanks, it seems putting the epoch in the changelog did the magic
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1698 [16:32:11] <netcrash> Hello, I'm trying to run a command under screen and it exists without any return. screen -d -m ./somescript . Any ideas?
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1700 [16:33:05] <karlpinc> netcrash: Does it "return" something when you run it without screen?
1701 [16:33:11] <greycat> The man page says "-d -m" starts screen in detached mode, creating a new session but not attaching to it.
1702 [16:33:28] <greycat> So presumably you need to run a second screen command to attach to your detached session so you can see what it did.
1703 [16:33:55] <netcrash> I'm doing screen -ls and nothing shows , screen -x also nothing
1704 [16:34:13] <netcrash> the screen starts python3 scripts in background
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1706 [16:35:10] <greycat> Then I guess ./somescript terminated, taking the session with it.
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1709 [16:35:33] <greycat> It works fine for me if I give it a command that doesn't terminate (like an interactive shell).
1710 [16:35:55] <karlpinc> netcrash: What are you trying to do? Why are you running screen?
1711 [16:36:00] <netcrash> going to try to run the scripts without the bash
1712 [16:36:17] <netcrash> I'm trying to run several scripts that connect to gearman
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1714 [16:36:33] <greycat> Do they LINGER, or do they do their thing and terminate quickly?
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1716 [16:37:23] <karlpinc> greycat: gearman seems to be a job control system
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1718 [16:37:45] <greycat> That doesn't tell me whether netcrash's scripts last a while, or terminate immediately.
1719 [16:38:13] <greycat> netcrash: silence? no information? ok, I will just guess. screen -S foo -d -m bash -c './script; ./script2; exec bash'
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1729 [16:42:55] <AndikaSagala> i got situation
1730 [16:43:00] <AndikaSagala> anyone can help?
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1732 [16:43:13] <darsie> AndikaSagala: IRC pro tip: Ask your real question.
1733 [16:43:40] <AndikaSagala> i'm my secret Linux OS:
1734 [16:43:50] <AndikaSagala> VarA=`somecomand`
1735 [16:44:09] <AndikaSagala> VarB=`echo $VarA`
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1737 [16:44:24] <greycat> replaced-url
1738 [16:44:30] <AndikaSagala> VarC="This is the command $VarB"
1739 [16:44:46] <AndikaSagala> echo $VarC
1740 [16:44:49] <greycat> replaced-url
1741 [16:44:54] <AndikaSagala> everything os fine. the result is logic in echo $VarC
1742 [16:44:55] <greycat> replaced-url
1743 [16:45:01] <greycat> echo $foo is WRONG
1744 [16:45:11] <greycat> you get word splitting and filename expansion
1745 [16:45:27] <AndikaSagala> but why in debian generation OS i got error. not shown "This is the command "result of VarB""
1746 [16:45:36] <AndikaSagala> k thanks
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1752 [16:47:38] <netcrash> greycat: sorry, gearman is a job control system , the scripts go to background with & and the script screen runs calls the other scripts, maybe I should be calling the python script directly
1753 [16:48:43] <greycat> netcrash: the screen session goes away as soon as the command you gave it terminates. If the command is "a &" then it terminates immediately. So, what I said before. Exec an interactive shell afterward, so there is a lingering process to keep the session up.
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1755 [16:49:20] <netcrash> greycat: ok, will try it , thank you
1756 [16:49:20] <greycat> or exec sleep 9999999999 or something
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1758 [16:49:50] * darsie boots into buster. Wish me luck.
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1765 [16:53:18] <jelly> ,v postfix
1766 [16:53:19] <judd> Package: postfix on amd64 -- jessie: 2.11.3-1+deb8u2; stretch: 3.1.12-0+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 3.1.14-0+deb9u1; buster: 3.4.5-1; buster-proposed-updates: 3.4.7-0+deb10u1; bullseye: 3.4.7-1; sid: 3.4.7-1
1767 [16:53:45] <greycat> oooh, what did it do?
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1773 [16:55:19] <greycat> hmm, can't find it from packages.debian.org
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1776 [16:55:56] <greycat> tracker worked. replaced-url
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1790 [17:00:03] <AndikaSagala> sorry my fault. everything is fine logically. same with my own OS. just do some experiment in sandbox ( Debian generation OS in sandbox )
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1792 [17:00:18] <jelly> apparently 3.4 supports SNI (for smtps and friends)
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1794 [17:00:42] <greycat> I was looking at the jump from 3.4.5-1 to buster-proposed-updates 3.4.7
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1796 [17:01:14] <greycat> the tracker URL tells me there are bug fixes surrounding the ending of a TLS session, or something
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1798 [17:01:34] <jelly> makes sense to s-p-o that
1799 [17:02:08] <greycat> stable-proposed-... ostrich?
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1808 [17:08:30] <no_gravity> Hello! What is the right way to install Firefox on Debian?
1809 [17:08:45] <greycat> apt-get install firefox-esr
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1811 [17:09:11] <no_gravity> Ok, let me try that ...
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1814 [17:10:33] <no_gravity> greycat: debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Dialog
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1816 [17:10:38] <no_gravity> debconf: falling back to frontend: Readline
1817 [17:10:41] <no_gravity> Is that bad?
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1820 [17:11:08] <greycat> This is the part where you reveal that this is a consequence of your docker-php-nightmare-from-hell pseudo installation, right?
1821 [17:12:16] <no_gravity> greycat: Docker runs quite nicely inside PHP now.
1822 [17:12:29] <greycat> 6 hours wasn't long enough. I'll try 3 days.
1823 [17:12:52] <no_gravity> The trick was to use pcntl_exec() instead of passthru() to run it.
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1846 [17:24:39] <darsie> I just upgraded to buster and my monospace font (maybe others, too) has more pixel blur. How can I install cleaner fonts?
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1848 [17:25:09] <darsie> My screen is set to the native 1680x1050 resolution.
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1851 [17:26:46] <darsie> The font size also changed.
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1853 [17:28:51] * darsie tries ttf-mscorefonts-installer ...
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1869 [17:36:37] <no_gravity> How can I install the latest Firefox on Debian 10?
1870 [17:37:36] <dvs> <greycat> apt-get install firefox-esr
1871 [17:37:46] <dvs> on the latest?
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1873 [17:38:09] <trek00> darsie: may be you need to tweak fontconfig options about hinting, aliasing and sub-pixel rendering
1874 [17:38:13] <no_gravity> dvs: I tried that one. Cannot get it to work with Selenium.
1875 [17:38:21] <no_gravity> dvs: So I would like to try a different one .)
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1878 [17:38:32] <trek00> darsie: what desktop environment are you using?
1879 [17:38:37] <darsie> xfce
1880 [17:39:08] <trek00> darsie: probably there is some config tool for this
1881 [17:39:47] <trek00> darsie: this replaced-url
1882 [17:41:20] <loupe> I am having an error I need to fix but don't know how to fix. I already installed the firmware-linux and non-free stuff. The error:
1883 [17:41:21] <loupe> W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gv100/acr/ucode_load.bin for module nouveau
1884 [17:41:43] <trek00> no_gravity: you can download it from the mozilla site and install to your home directory
1885 [17:42:13] <greycat> judd file nvidia/gv100/acr/ucode_load.bin --release sid
1886 [17:42:15] <no_gravity> trek00: How will geckodriver find it in my home directory?
1887 [17:42:18] <judd> Search for nvidia/gv100/acr/ucode_load.bin in sid/amd64: firmware-misc-nonfree: lib/firmware/nvidia/gv100/acr/ucode_load.bin
1888 [17:42:25] <greycat> it's not in buster
1889 [17:42:43] <greycat> ,v firmware-misc-nonfree
1890 [17:42:44] <judd> Package: firmware-misc-nonfree on amd64 -- jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20190114-2; buster-backports/non-free: 20190717-2~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 20190717-2; sid/non-free: 20190717-2
1891 [17:42:55] <greycat> OK, try the one from buster-backports then.
1892 [17:43:00] <trek00> no_gravity: setting the correct PATH environment variable, something like: export PATH=$HOME/firefox:$PATH
1893 [17:43:14] <no_gravity> trek00: Let me try that ...
1894 [17:43:57] <no_gravity> trek00: Same problem.
1895 [17:44:28] <trek00> no_gravity: what error message?
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1897 [17:45:08] <no_gravity> trek00: replaced-url
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1901 [17:46:30] <trek00> no_gravity: i really don't know, have you tried the python-selenum package?
1902 [17:46:33] <darsie> trek00: Do I need to restart xorg for the changes to take effect?
1903 [17:47:13] <trek00> darsie: yes, but you can try the new settings simply launching a new application
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1905 [17:48:14] <no_gravity> trek00: What is that? I installed Selenium like this: pip install selenium
1906 [17:48:36] <trek00> no_gravity: it seems the selenium packaged for debian
1907 [17:50:05] <darsie> trek00: I restarted konsole. Couldn't see a change. There was change in the settings window.
1908 [17:50:19] <karlpinc> no_gravity: If you install with pip you want to install into a virtual enviornment. Otherwise you are mixing pip packages with apt packages and will have a mess.
1909 [17:50:35] <darsie> Which package might contain a 'monospace' font instead of 'monospace regular'?
1910 [17:50:50] <trek00> darsie: konsole is a kde app, may be it needs to be configured in other ways
1911 [17:51:24] <trek00> darsie: i use fonts-dejavu-core
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1913 [17:51:49] <no_gravity> karlpinc: What alternative is there to pip install?
1914 [17:52:10] <darsie> I already have fonts-dejavu-core.
1915 [17:52:42] <trek00> darsie: try with mousepad (the text editor of xfce)
1916 [17:53:07] <trek00> darsie: check if the fonts are good with mousepad but not with konsole
1917 [17:53:13] <darsie> yes ...
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1920 [17:56:22] <trek00> darsie: well if mouspad is ok, we need to configure only konsole
1921 [17:57:30] <darsie> Nah, I didn't mean it that way.
1922 [17:57:37] <ratrace> darsie: isn't monospace regular just monospace? ie. not monospace bold, or monospace italic, ...
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1927 [17:58:07] <ratrace> %s/italic/oblique/
1928 [17:58:10] <darsie> ratrace: idk if there's a separate 'monospace' font.
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1931 [17:58:52] <ratrace> darsie: yea me neither. "regular" is just a regular font of a family, not its oblique, bold variant.
1932 [17:59:24] <Latr_work> Guys a noob question. Say I want to install debian 10 minimal, no DE nothing, and I have no internet. Will the netinstall cd be enough?
1933 [17:59:25] <ratrace> it's maybe not widely known, but "italic" (oblique) and "bold" variants require actual oblique and bold font files, they're actually fonts per se.
1934 [17:59:59] <ratrace> Latr_work: no
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1936 [18:00:34] <SerajewelKS> what exactly is an iscsi "target group number" -- i've not seen this is any config, but is required when running iscsistart
1937 [18:00:43] <SerajewelKS> do multiple iscsi sessions need unique target group numbers?
1938 [18:00:55] <Latr_work> I see. Thanks ratrace
1939 [18:01:05] <darsie> WTF, I try to 'open' a png screenshot in mc and instead of gthumb internet explorer starts in wine ...
1940 [18:01:15] <ratrace> Latr_work: I think CD1 is the minimum you need for offline installation of a bootable base OS
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1942 [18:01:41] <jim> Latr_work, yep, and, you can have it download the base, OR if you "leave network unconfigured", it will install the base from the packages on the image
1943 [18:02:01] <Latr_work> I just dont want to install XFCE though
1944 [18:02:03] <ratrace> jim: from netinst?
1945 [18:02:09] * darsie cries.
1946 [18:02:12] <jim> yes
1947 [18:02:28] <greycat> Just un-select all of the desktop choices in the installer, and it'll install "console only".
1948 [18:02:32] <Latr_work> thank jim
1949 [18:02:45] <Latr_work> greycat: spot on thanks
1950 [18:02:53] <jim> ratrace, most netinsts have a copy of the base on it
1951 [18:03:13] <BCMM> jim: can you link to some documentation on that? the inverse is strongly (but not unambiguously) implied by replaced-url
1952 [18:03:15] <ratrace> huh, that's news to me.
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1954 [18:03:25] <jim> but then, you have to configure the net "by hand"-ish when you reboot into the newly installed debian
1955 [18:03:39] <greycat> It has to. It doesn't "download the base" during installation. It installs the packages on the medium, but if there's a working network connection at the time, then it'll pick up the security patches and other new versions from the mirrors.
1956 [18:04:04] <BCMM> oh, it does say "this image contains the installer and a small set of packages which allows the installation of a (very) basic system."
1957 [18:04:25] <Latr_work> BCMM: yes it says so
1958 [18:04:32] <jim> the other way you can do that was already said: you can uncheck stuff near the end when it presents you those choices
1959 [18:04:32] <ratrace> "Up to 300 MB in size, this image contains the installer and a small set of packages which allows the installation of a (very) basic system." -- I suppose I was wrong then
1960 [18:04:39] <ratrace> BCMM: oh you beat me to it :)
1961 [18:04:42] <Latr_work> jim: I am not bothered about having to configure the network by hand
1962 [18:04:53] <BCMM> i guess that corresponds to packages marked "essential"?
1963 [18:05:01] <greycat> A bit more than that.
1964 [18:05:12] <Latr_work> I am not in the situation to try it myself atm, otherwise I would have investigated on my own
1965 [18:05:19] <GenTooMan> is their a way to direct ones current window manager to manage a display other than :0.0?
1966 [18:05:21] <Latr_work> but I guess I will go with CD1 to be safw
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1968 [18:05:40] <SerajewelKS> GenTooMan: when starting the window manager, it will read the value of $DISPLAY
1969 [18:05:53] <ratrace> Latr_work: was just gonna suggest that, if you have the option to download something, just get the whole shebang. i'd go with DVD....
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1971 [18:05:56] <jim> Latr_work, well, so you have two ways to do it, and it's just going to be the base (if you leave the net unconfigured OR you uncheck everything)
1972 [18:05:59] <SerajewelKS> GenTooMan: once the window manager has started, you can't really "move it to another display"
1973 [18:06:05] <BCMM> GenTooMan: what do you mean by "current"? not one instance of the WM controlling multiple X sessions?
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1976 [18:06:53] <Latr_work> ratrace: there are 3 DVDs though
1977 [18:07:46] <ratrace> Latr_work: ogawd indeed....
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1979 [18:08:18] <ratrace> Imma take a wild guess and say DVD-1 should suffice.
1980 [18:08:24] <jim> Latr_work, so the dvds (and other images) are on cd mirrors, and there are less of these, they're generally slower, package mirrors are generally faster and there are more of them
1981 [18:09:14] <loupe> judd file nvidia/gv100/acr/ucode_load.bin --release stretch-backports
1982 [18:09:15] <judd> No packages in stretch-backports/amd64 were found with that file.
1983 [18:09:27] <jim> so the most efficient (mirror bandwidth-wise) is to get a netinst, install at least the base, and go from there
1984 [18:09:42] <Latr_work> Also another question. Is budgie any faster than gnome 3?
1985 [18:09:45] <jim> Latr_work, first time installing linux? debian?
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1987 [18:09:53] <greycat> ALL debian install images contain enough packages to install a basic working system, which you can boot, configure to access your network, and then download whatever else you want.
1988 [18:10:08] <Latr_work> jim: no man. I have been using FreeBSD for 11 years, gentoo for 3 and debian for perhaps 2
1989 [18:10:13] <Latr_work> just not as a desktop
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1991 [18:10:29] <jim> Latr_work, servers?
1992 [18:10:30] <Latr_work> and I do not have a host here to test
1993 [18:10:32] <Latr_work> yes
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1995 [18:11:02] <Latr_work> thing is, I haven't used linux as desktop in many years, and I bought a dell xps 7390
1996 [18:11:23] <Latr_work> it is due to arrive tomorrow and I haven't bought a LAN adaptor
1997 [18:11:34] <jim> is that a desktop machine?
1998 [18:11:54] <jim> maybe there's an ethernet port on the motherboard?
1999 [18:11:56] <Latr_work> so I am hoping wireless would work out of the box, otherwise I will need to sideload the blobs manually
2000 [18:12:13] <jim> Latr_work, oh, laptop
2001 [18:12:14] <jim> ?
2002 [18:12:15] <Latr_work> jim: it is a ultrabook, and you need a mini usb to lan
2003 [18:12:17] <Latr_work> yes
2004 [18:12:35] <Latr_work> My idea is, install the core suys
2005 [18:12:53] <greycat> If you want a *chance* of the wireless working during installation, start with the unofficial non-free firmware installer.
2006 [18:12:57] <greycat> !firmware installer
2007 [18:12:58] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See replaced-url
2008 [18:13:01] <Latr_work> core system, if wireless works fine, otherwise I will sideload the non-free firmware manually
2009 [18:13:03] <greycat> grr.
2010 [18:13:07] <greycat> !firmware images
2011 [18:13:07] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
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2013 [18:13:16] <loupe> I'm trying to play a game and the game cannot find my display adapter because I need some firmware. I installed firmware-linux and all the recommends including the non-free and my game crashes...
2014 [18:13:17] <Latr_work> greycat: but they even work?
2015 [18:13:18] <loupe> W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gv100/acr/ucode_load.bin for module nouveau
2016 [18:13:35] <loupe> judd file nvidia/gv100/acr/ucode_load.bin --release stretch-backports
2017 [18:13:36] <judd> No packages in stretch-backports/amd64 were found with that file.
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2019 [18:13:46] <GenTooMan> BCMM hmmm this might be long I'll have to use past a paste bin
2020 [18:13:46] <ratrace> loupe: uh if you wanna play games, why not use the proprietary driver, instead of nouveau?
2021 [18:13:48] <greycat> loupe: as I said before, use the buster-backports version of the firmware
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2023 [18:13:53] <Latr_work> brb
2024 [18:14:09] <jim> ok, to get a better chance of the netinst finding the wireless, you can get the "unofficial" netinst that has firmware that those devices use (and would not work without)
2025 [18:14:25] <jim> what cpu is it?
2026 [18:14:32] <loupe> greycat: buster's gnome crashes on my computer. so I have to use stretch
2027 [18:14:58] <greycat> ...
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2029 [18:15:43] <loupe> it even crashes when using the live DVD
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2031 [18:16:16] <greycat> ... and you didn't consider that just maybe it's because it's missing the firmware you need?
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2033 [18:16:40] <loupe> yes... I installed all the firmware and it still crashes
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2035 [18:17:09] <loupe> all the firmware should be on the live DVD?
2036 [18:17:20] <greycat> Probably not, because it's NOT. IN. BUSTER.
2037 [18:17:24] <greycat> It's only in buster-backports.
2038 [18:17:28] <greycat> Your hardware is too new.
2039 [18:17:52] <jhutchins_wk> loupe: dmesg | less will tell you what's going on with the firmware.
2040 [18:18:22] <greycat> 12:13 loupe> W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gv100/acr/ucode_load.bin for module nouveau
2041 [18:18:49] <loupe> maybe my hardware is too OLD... or obscure... "Gallium 0.4 on NV44"
2042 [18:19:14] <loupe> I'm running an OLD machine... core 2 duo
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2046 [18:19:25] <greycat> Possible, I guess. Though it's weird that it would suddenly pop up in buster-backports and sid.
2047 [18:19:38] <jim> loupe, isn't that still 64bit?
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2049 [18:19:56] <loupe> I'm running amd64
2050 [18:20:04] <jim> ok
2051 [18:20:12] <jim> so yes, 64bit
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2055 [18:21:46] <jim> greycat, the packages that are stored on a netinst "just in case", taken together that used to be called the base of debian... did they stop calling that the base?
2056 [18:22:10] <greycat> I don't know that "base" has terribly much meaning.
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2058 [18:22:30] <greycat> It's just a word, anyway. It means whatever you think it means.
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2062 [18:22:58] <jim> didn't debian also used to call that the base?
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2064 [18:23:07] <greycat> you can loopback-mount your favorite debian iso image and look at the .deb files under debian/pool/
2065 [18:23:34] <jim> I trust that they're there :)
2066 [18:23:51] <greycat> ... this will show you WHICH ONES THEY ARE
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2068 [18:25:15] <jim> is there any way to get the netinst partitioning tool on a regular debian instance?
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2071 [18:25:32] <jim> isn't that a udeb?
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2091 [18:37:26] <trek00> jim: it is partman but i would not use it outside debian installer
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2109 [18:46:07] <jim> trek00, right, I recall the name now... what has you not use it outside the installer?
2110 [18:47:13] <trek00> jim: parman was made specifically for debian installer, probably it has many issues if you use on a living system
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2127 [19:01:48] <plantroon> jim: why'd you want to use partman, anywhere? :D :D :D I've been trying to set up my partitioning with that tool and it's impossible
2128 [19:02:22] <plantroon> (the preseed version, I can set up my partitions from UI)
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2131 [19:03:52] <trek00> plantroon: to workaround, you could be able to execute a script inside preseed, this script could contain sfdisk and mkfs
2132 [19:04:08] <plantroon> that's what I am trying to do now xD
2133 [19:04:20] <plantroon> how do I tell partman which partition to use as what?
2134 [19:04:22] <nikil> i would like to run debian testing without creating a frakendebian. is the correct way to do this setting APT::Default-Release "testing" in apt.conf? or am i supposed to set pin priorities in apt preferences?
2135 [19:04:24] <plantroon> without it formatting or touching anything
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2137 [19:04:52] <plantroon> nikil: it should be enough to set this in /etc/apt/sources.list
2138 [19:05:09] <plantroon> and do a dist-upgrade
2139 [19:05:16] <greycat> nikil: if you want to run testing you *run testing*. Edit sources.list, change buster to testing, remove the lines that don't exist for testing, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, and pray. NO PINNING. None of whatever fancy crap you're currently trying.
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2141 [19:06:00] <nikil> plantroon: thanks
2142 [19:06:23] <nikil> greycat: uh, i will try to avoid "fancy crap"
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2144 [19:06:40] <trek00> plantroon: i don't know, probably you need to dig the source code to find the answer
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2147 [19:07:54] <plantroon> trek00: yeah ;( sadly
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2166 [19:17:24] <torchinz> Hi. I am a new user of Debian (Buster). While trying to install nvidia drivers (my GPU is GTX 950m), I messed up. I have an integrated intel graphics and an Nvidia GPU. Now, my cinnamon starts up in software rendering without hardware acceleration
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2168 [19:17:32] <torchinz> Any help?
2169 [19:17:40] <greycat> !bumblebee
2170 [19:17:40] <dpkg> The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. replaced-url
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2172 [19:18:11] <torchinz> hi greycat is that the answer to my question?
2173 [19:18:29] <greycat> It might be a starting point.
2174 [19:19:10] <torchinz> unfortunately, i don't remember my intel graphics model number. would bumblebee be able to work without knowing that?
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2176 [19:19:51] <greycat> you can always run lspci -nn to find out
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2180 [19:20:34] <torchinz> wow...lovely! thanks so much :)
2181 [19:20:48] <jim> plantroon, if I could adjust my partitioning with partman, I'd have the same interface as was in the installer, that's all
2182 [19:20:59] <NetTerminalGene> does debian power off discrete graphics card by default in laptops?
2183 [19:21:10] <greycat> "by default"? hard to imagine that.
2184 [19:21:27] <plantroon> the "interface", if you mean the terminal user interface presented during installer, that one is almost perfect ... that is, it can do most things with workarounds, but it's easy to do
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2186 [19:21:59] <torchinz> greycat do I install the nouveau free version or should I try with nvidia from bumblebee?
2187 [19:22:01] <jim> NetTerminalGene, that sounds like something you'd set up in the bios (to at least disable the builtin card)
2188 [19:22:10] <loupe> I'm trying to install 'firmware-linux' from buster-backports but it says the file is not there... can you look and see what I'm doing wrong?
2189 [19:22:10] <loupe> replaced-url
2190 [19:22:35] <lupine> replaced-url
2191 [19:22:38] <greycat> loupe: it's not in "firmware-linux".
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2194 [19:23:18] <loupe> <greycat> yes, I know... but the file it is in is a dependency of firmware-linux
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2196 [19:23:46] <greycat> ,info firmware-linux
2197 [19:23:47] <judd> Package firmware-linux (non-free/metapackages, optional) in buster/amd64: Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel (metapackage). Version: 20190114-2; Size: 17.6k; Installed: 26k
2198 [19:23:52] <greycat> "metapackage"
2199 [19:24:04] <torchinz> i started with nvidia firmware. forgot to mention this but it gets stuck (tried previously) on the "nvidia-installer --uninstall" option. should I go for yes or no?
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2201 [19:24:22] <jim> loupe, hmm, I hadn't seen that syntax before... I use apt install -t buster-backports firmware-linux
2202 [19:24:36] <greycat> firmware-linux is just a metapackage.
2203 [19:24:42] <greycat> you can skip it entirely
2204 [19:25:09] <jim> but that would only work if buster-backports is in your /etc/apt/sources.list
2205 [19:25:09] <unistc> When I enter aa-status in the terminal, apparmor tells me "apparmor module is loaded" but also "apparmor filesystem is not loaded". What am I doing wrong?
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2207 [19:25:42] <torchinz> greycat, I clicked the yes option and not it is showing "Would you like to
2208 [19:25:43] <torchinz> run `nvidia-xconfig --restore-original-backup` to attempt restoration of the original X configuration file?" Yes or No do not make any difference
2209 [19:26:00] <unistc> same goes with "sudo aa-status"
2210 [19:26:05] <loupe> jim: if you look closely at that file, you will see that buster-backports was queried by 'apt update'
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2214 [19:27:19] <torchinz> any idea why that is happening?
2215 [19:27:36] <jim> loupe, well I'd try the other syntax too, to make sure either that either syntax would work, or which does work and which does not
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2217 [19:29:12] <jim> loupe, and so, your sources.list -does- contain a source for buster-backports
2218 [19:29:17] <loupe> i know the file is on the server... I went and looked just to make sure
2219 [19:29:23] <IRCMom> how come my windows get mangled everytime i unlock screen
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2221 [19:30:29] <jim> if (as greycat said) firmware-linux is a metapackage, you could install the packages it depends on
2222 [19:30:37] <torchinz> guys, I am stuck at : `nvidia-xconfig --restore-original-backup` to attempt restoration of the original X configuration file?" Yes or No do not make any difference
2223 [19:30:47] <jim> ,depends firmware-linux
2224 [19:30:48] <judd> Package firmware-linux in buster/amd64 -- depends: firmware-linux-free, firmware-linux-nonfree (= 20190114-2).
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2226 [19:31:03] <jim> just two packages
2227 [19:31:25] <greycat> ,depends firmware-linux-nonfree
2228 [19:31:26] <judd> Package firmware-linux-nonfree in buster/amd64 -- depends: firmware-misc-nonfree (= 20190114-2), firmware-amd-graphics (= 20190114-2).
2229 [19:31:34] <loupe> it says the same error for everything I have tried
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2231 [19:31:53] <greycat> jim: meta meta packages ...
2232 [19:32:26] <jim> wouldn't apt take care of that?
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2234 [19:33:42] <jim> loupe, which makes the next question, what's everything you tried?
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2237 [19:36:13] <loupe> I tried doing all the packages... apt install amd64-microcode/buster-backports firmware-amd-graphics/buster-backports firmware-linux/buster-backports firmware-linux-free/buster-backports firmware-linux-nonfree/buster-backports firmware-misc-nonfree/buster-backports intel-microcode/buster-backports iucode-tool/buster-backports
2238 [19:36:37] <greycat> for god's sake WHY
2239 [19:36:48] <greycat> find the ONE PACKAGE that has the firmware file you need. install it.
2240 [19:37:05] <unistc> hi
2241 [19:37:34] <loupe> the file you are talking about is in that list... apt says the file is not on the server
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2246 [19:37:58] <loupe> ...but i went on the server and looked
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2266 [19:46:31] <MarioMey> Hi, there. Any folder in my home has a ".uuid" file inside. If I create a new folder, nothing happens (it has no such file). Each file has a different uuid number inside.
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2269 [19:46:47] <MarioMey> Why this happen?
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2273 [19:48:07] <torchinz> Hi. I could not work with bumblebee as the nvidia-cleanup error keeps on happening
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2276 [19:49:53] <petn-randall> MarioMey: From a quick google search this seems to be related to fontconfig.
2277 [19:49:56] <torchinz> everytime I try to install bumblebee, it takes me to "nvidia-installer --uninstall" (Choose Yes or No). No brings me an error and Yes brings me to `nvidia-xconfig --restore-original-backup` after which Yes or No do not help at all
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2282 [19:50:51] <MarioMey> petn-randall: yes... but what is fontconfig? Is it normal that something fonts related creates such many files?
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2287 [19:52:24] <greycat> replaced-url
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2292 [19:53:47] <n0a110w> Does anyone know how the debian cd team packs the "debian-mac" isos with only 1 El Torito record? i'm trying to replicate the process with another iso and convert it to BIOS only boot
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2296 [19:56:30] <MarioMey> greycat: I read it. I installed Buster yesterday from scratch and didn't install any font software.
2297 [19:56:42] <MarioMey> Inkscape, GIMP, DarkTable.... but no font soft.
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2299 [19:57:31] <MarioMey> Also, I read in the link that maybe some "font previewer" could do that... but I see that Buster doesn't preview font files.
2300 [19:57:37] <MarioMey> (compared to Stretch)
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2306 [19:59:41] <MarioMey> Well... I think that this is the same "home" partition that Stretch had.
2307 [19:59:46] <MarioMey> Maybe they are from that S.O.
2308 [19:59:55] <MarioMey> Could I delete them all?
2309 [19:59:56] <jhutchins_wk> stretch doesn't preview fonts either, something you installed on it did.
2310 [20:00:21] <MarioMey> Maybe. I had some font softwares...
2311 [20:00:37] <greycat> I'm fairly confident it is safe to remove them.
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2313 [20:01:17] <MarioMey> Ok, thanks!
2314 [20:01:34] <MarioMey> Oh... how?
2315 [20:01:36] <MarioMey> :D
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2317 [20:01:47] <MarioMey> Let me guess...
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2320 [20:02:44] <darsie> Can you identify the font in the lower two windows and/or how to get it (to look like that)? (replaced-url
2321 [20:02:45] <MarioMey> find /home/user/. -name ".uuid" | while read f; do echo "Deleting $f"; gvfs-trash "$f"; done
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2325 [20:03:55] <greycat> I've seen worse.
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2328 [20:05:02] <greycat> that one will fail on pathnames that contain leading/trailing whitespace, or backslashes, or newlines... but overall a good-enough answer for a one-time operation
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2335 [20:10:27] <MarioMey> I have to use "gio trash"... but it worked.
2336 [20:11:00] <MarioMey> They made me remember Windows and its Thumbs.db.
2337 [20:11:35] <MarioMey> (2300 files sent to trash can)
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2352 [20:18:05] <GenTooMan> regarding the window manager and tacking displays to it here is a brief of what I tried replaced-url
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2357 [20:20:14] <GenTooMan> I wish I could have explained it briefly but ... anyhow
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2361 [20:21:20] <somiaj> Where are you getting this troublesome application? Have you reported this bug to the said application's developers so they can make it not take xorg out with it?
2362 [20:22:04] <somiaj> I don't think you can get what you want by runnin the app in Xephyr, this is using a different xsession, so your window manager won't have access to it.
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2364 [20:22:24] <MarioMey> Thanks, bye!
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2366 [20:22:31] <somiaj> you could run the application inside a window manager which is inside Xephyr
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2434 [21:02:31] <rootkit> Hi. Is it normal that Debian Testing reports "Cannot access repository" for Security? I believe I heard something about it but not sure
2435 [21:02:55] <greycat> !debian-next
2436 [21:02:55] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2437 [21:03:17] <greycat> But for the record, the name of the security repository in bullseye is going to change. Instead of debian/updates it will be debian-security.
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2444 [21:05:42] <rootkit> Ah, and I figure that repo isn't available yet?
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2473 [21:22:49] <OS-59626> /join #offsec
2474 [21:24:11] <greycat> No. Stop fake-failing IRC commands as lures and advertisements.
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2480 [21:30:33] <stripe> hi all trying to throttle my cpu due to overheating, thermald will not enable or start (possibly due to it being a 32 bit core-duo?) have cleaned the fan and replaced the thermal paste, any ideas on where to look next? cheers
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2486 [21:32:16] <iamsrv> hwllo
2487 [21:32:23] <iamsrv> hello
2488 [21:32:56] <jmcnaught> stripe: what errors do you get when you enable or start thermald?
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2493 [21:37:28] <stripe> process: 6709 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/thermald --no-daemon --dbus-enable (code=exited, status=1/FALIURE
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2497 [21:39:54] <jmcnaught> stripe: are there more detailed errors in "journalctl -u thermald.service"?
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2499 [21:41:28] <at0m> hi, got a disk failing. copied over most of it, but cp -aux failed somehere cos of the disk issue. the disk is live again, this time cp -aux stopped too early (du indicates source dir is way bigger than dest dir). how would i proceed?
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2502 [21:43:29] <Latr_work> anyone here has a dell xps 7390 and can provide me a lspic as well dmidecone output?
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2504 [21:43:41] <Latr_work> *lspci
2505 [21:43:41] <stripe> jmcnaught: NO RAPL sysfs present, Need Linux PowerCap sysfs, unsupported cpu model, THD engine start failed.
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2507 [21:46:05] <stripe> I have installed powercap without any change
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2510 [21:47:26] <BCMM> at0m: are you getting read errors in dmesg?
2511 [21:47:27] <zitol> yo
2512 [21:47:43] <BCMM> at0m: if it's a physical problem, quit accessing the filesystem. unmount it if possible.
2513 [21:47:52] <zitol> what is the name i last used fox-calculator, on debian , them i had to re-format, i lost track of it, thank you
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2517 [21:48:31] <BCMM> at0m: if you have space to make an image of the disk, do that with ddrescue, then try to recover your files from that image
2518 [21:48:44] <user317> does anyone know of a linux networking tool that can collect UDP packet counts per source and destination address?
2519 [21:49:01] <jmcnaught> stripe: next I would try linux-cpupower and then cpufrequtils if that does not work. Some more info about them here: replaced-url
2520 [21:49:47] <stripe> jmcnaught: thank you, will give them a go, cheers :)
2521 [21:49:48] <at0m> BCMM: journalctl reports smartd errors. trying to copy over in parts, dir by dir, for now. plain ext4 mount, no lvm or such
2522 [21:50:06] <BCMM> at least mount it ro...
2523 [21:50:40] <at0m> BCMM: and no other disk with enough space to contain the full image, hence dir by dir to different drives. ok thanks on the ro hint
2524 [21:52:05] <BCMM> greycat: it's not a fake failure... it's some sort of security course that requires total noobs to use an IRC client that joins #debian by default
2525 [21:52:24] <greycat> It's both.
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2527 [21:52:45] <BCMM> tbh somebody should just ban anybody with a name starting "OS-"
2528 [21:52:54] <greycat> I've been considering it very strongly.
2529 [21:53:21] <BCMM> iirc they're using kali anyway, so i don't really see much potential for collateral damage
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2531 [21:53:57] <at0m> BCMM: its a large media drive, with no critical information (hence not backed up, not important enough to warrant the extra expense. still, i rather keep what's on there:)
2532 [21:54:16] <BCMM> at0m: ah, fair enough
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2535 [21:56:24] <BCMM> at0m: anyway, i guess cp is exiting after the first read error, even though there might be more files after that one that can still be read?
2536 [21:56:51] <at0m> BCMM: depending on the error type, i guess so
2537 [21:57:10] <at0m> if it's an error on the partition, sure. if disk fail, not so much
2538 [21:57:32] <at0m> did a mount -o remount,ro
2539 [21:58:37] <at0m> and in fstab, too
2540 [21:59:00] <BCMM> at0m: i'm not 100% sure, but i think rsync will try the next file after a failure
2541 [22:00:31] <CarlFK> how do I disable networking? like systemctl ... so dhcp release happens?
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2543 [22:01:16] <BCMM> CarlFK: are you trying to disconnect from the network, or trying to get a new ip address?
2544 [22:01:24] <CarlFK> disconnect
2545 [22:02:01] <BCMM> CarlFK: do you use networkmanager?
2546 [22:02:08] <CarlFK> no
2547 [22:02:35] <BCMM> CarlFK: are all your interfaces defined in /etc/network/interfaces then?
2548 [22:03:01] <CarlFK> no - something like /etc/dhclientd.conf
2549 [22:04:01] <BCMM> ok... how exactly did you go about setting up your network in the first place? and are you sure you're using Debian?
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2551 [22:05:29] <zitol> Q: what is the name i last used fox-calculator, on debian , them i had to re-format, i lost track of it, thank you
2552 [22:05:40] <zitol> name is fox calculator
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2554 [22:08:11] <CarlFK> sort of - replaced-url
2555 [22:08:28] <greycat> So, not debian.
2556 [22:08:28] <BCMM> !raspbian
2557 [22:08:29] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
2558 [22:09:09] <BCMM> CarlFK: raspbian has its own channel, see above. if i recall correctly, the default network setup is a little bit special because they want to make sure headless systems are accessible over the network on first boot.
2559 [22:09:35] <petn-randall> zitol: Can you rephrase? AFAIU you're asking for the name of fox-calculator.
2560 [22:10:04] <BCMM> CarlFK: i'd would suggest #raspberrypi; ever since the Foundation picked Raspbian as their official distro, the raspberrypi channel has basically been like #raspbian but with more users.
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2563 [22:10:44] <zitol> petn-randall, aye
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2565 [22:12:02] <greycat> What does this "fox calculator" do?
2566 [22:12:25] <zitol> woot ?
2567 [22:12:57] <zitol> i didnt understand your question
2568 [22:13:03] <petn-randall> The name of fox-calculator is ... fox-calculator?
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2570 [22:13:23] <jelly> ,file fox-calculator
2571 [22:13:28] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
2572 [22:13:33] <greycat> zitol: nobody has heard of it, or anything like it, so we are asking you what it *is* so we have some way to help guess
2573 [22:13:36] <petn-randall> I'm asking because you seemed to be answering your own question.
2574 [22:13:57] <jelly> are foxes calculable?
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2581 [22:15:31] <BCMM> zitol: was it this? replaced-url
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2583 [22:15:43] <BCMM> and are you looking for the Debian package name, or what?
2584 [22:15:43] <Ede|Popede> zitol: if you know the name already why not simply using a search engine?
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2586 [22:15:51] <Ede|Popede> ah, exactly the result it gave me
2587 [22:16:39] <robkramer> Hi all, please, except for 'engrampa' for zip files and 'unrar' and 'unzip', is there any graphical application for debian that is possible to unpack both zip and rar files ?
2588 [22:17:01] <CarlFK> thanks folks - wasn't sure what bits of rasp are custom
2589 [22:17:33] <petn-randall> robkramer: xarchiver
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2591 [22:18:17] <greycat> OK, so apparently the upstream package is called "Fox toolkit", which helps. Now we can do apt-cache search on that. I get matches like libfox-1.6-0 which can then be searched on p.d.o...
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2593 [22:18:44] <BCMM> greycat: surely that would be just the toolkit, not applications based on it?
2594 [22:18:58] <BCMM> is there a way to list all packages that depend on a given package?
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2596 [22:19:08] <Azlux> hi all, I need help for text install mode only (with console), no graphic card here.
2597 [22:19:15] <greycat> step by step, we chip away at the issue... yes, there is a reverse depends capability
2598 [22:19:26] <greycat> replaced-url
2599 [22:19:33] <BCMM> greycat: how?
2600 [22:19:42] <BCMM> i know how to do it *for packages installed on my computer*
2601 [22:19:59] <greycat> wooledg:~$ apt-cache showpkg libfox-1.6-0
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2603 [22:20:17] <BCMM> but i was asking how to, for example, list all existing debian packages which depend on libfox
2604 [22:20:22] <greycat> which gives me "xfe" and "sumo" to chase down...
2605 [22:20:32] <Azlux> I try to edit isolinux/txt.cfg and isolinux/isolinux.cfg by adding the serial instead of the vga output, but still have the error at boot : Undefined video mode number: 314
2606 [22:20:54] <BCMM> greycat: i suspect it's just not packaged any more. any way to do it for oldstable?
2607 [22:20:59] <greycat> xfe says "lightweight file manager for X11"
2608 [22:21:02] <robkramer> Hi petn-randall, nice to meet you again ! Please, does 'xarchiver' have a gui - just to confirm...
2609 [22:21:22] <greycat> sumo says "Simulation of Urban MObility (SUMO)" ... neither one looks like a calculator application
2610 [22:21:53] <greycat> BCMM: easiest way would be to login to a system running the release you want to search
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2612 [22:22:18] <BCMM> i.e. i can't do it online for obsolete distros... ok
2613 [22:23:24] <greycat> nothing stands out on stretch. jessie has "fxcyberjack" but that still doesn't sound like a calculator
2614 [22:23:45] <greycat> "Graphical diagnostics and maintenance tool for Reiner SCT Cyberjacks"
2615 [22:24:05] <greycat> I'm starting to believe it was never packaged, and they used it from upstream
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2637 [22:33:39] <BCMM> greycat: seems likely. seen the page? "FOX Calculator can be downloaded from the download page either as a Linux or as Win32 Binary (both statically linked with FOX)."
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2640 [22:34:16] <greycat> yeah, I saw the page, and it had *no* links on it, so I clicked the logo-thing at the top which took me to the main page...
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2643 [22:35:21] <BCMM> greycat: it's supposed to be viewed as a frameset...
2644 [22:35:40] <BCMM> the whole project and website looks *really* old school, but surprisingly it seems to be actively maintained
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2647 [22:38:30] <Morg0th> How can I install glibc 2.29? I see with "ldd --version" that i'm running glibc 2.28, but it doesn't look like there's a newer version in apt
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2649 [22:39:09] <petn-randall> robkramer: yes
2650 [22:39:12] <greycat> ,v libc6
2651 [22:39:13] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u4; buster: 2.28-10; bullseye: 2.29-2; sid: 2.29-2
2652 [22:39:16] <annadane> the better question is "why do you think you need 2.29"
2653 [22:39:22] <greycat> that is a good question
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2656 [22:40:36] <Morg0th> I'm trying to compile some Rust code and I'm getting this error: "error: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.29' not found"
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2659 [22:40:54] <Morg0th> Because of some dependency (amethyst_rendy)
2660 [22:41:04] <greycat> so you're trying to run a rust compiler that you downloaded from the internet?
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2662 [22:41:44] <Morg0th> greycat: not to run a rust compiler, just a program I wrote. I just switched from Gentoo to Debian and on this system i can not build it because of that error
2663 [22:41:57] <greycat> So you compiled a thing on Gentoo, then copied it over to Debian?
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2665 [22:43:06] <BCMM> Morg0th: are you trying to run some binary that you already compiled elsewhere, or compile some code?
2666 [22:43:13] <BCMM> Morg0th: if the latter, what compiler are you using?
2667 [22:43:47] <OS-59626> !314159265
2668 [22:43:48] <Morg0th> greycat: well yes, i just copied my source code from my other computer. i'm just running rust clean and recompiling now to make sure that i didn't transfer some binary files that should be re-used, you made me realize that maybe that's my problem... gimme a sec
2669 [22:44:23] <BCMM> OS-59626: still not the offsec channel...
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2672 [22:45:20] <Mmike> Hi. How do I make 'apt-get' not use configured proxy? I have these lines added to my apt.conf:
2673 [22:45:22] <Mmike> Acquire::HTTP::Proxy::packagecloud.io "DIRECT";
2674 [22:45:22] <Mmike> Acquire::HTTPS::Proxy::packagecloud.io "DIRECT";
2675 [22:45:33] <Mmike> But apt is still connecting to proxy when trying to get stuff from packagecloud.io
2676 [22:45:38] <greycat> edit apt.conf and comment out the lines you don't want it to use
2677 [22:46:30] <OS-59626> Thanks BCMM, can you say how to do so ? First time I am connecting..
2678 [22:46:56] <BCMM> OS-59626: when you tried to /join #offsec, you put a space before the /
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2680 [22:47:29] <BCMM> OS-59626: in xchat i think you can just click on #offsec (does it look like a hyperlink?)
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2682 [22:48:01] <Mmike> greycat, I have Acquire:HTTP::Proxy condfigured, but for packagecloud.io I don't want it to use the proxy. The rest should be going trough my local proxy.
2683 [22:48:03] <BCMM> OS-59626: when you get there, tell them to fix their instructions, because dozens of people have got stuck in here after the same mistake
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2685 [22:48:34] <Ede|Popede> OS-59626: general answer, /join is a COMMAND (not just text sent to a channel or user), and they are started with / with NOTHING before it (not even a space)
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2688 [22:49:06] <Morg0th> Jeez ok sorry guys, my glibc-2.29 problem was apparently because I copied some obj files over with the source files, and so it didn't recompile those. I guess i was running glibc-2.29 on Gentoo and it was looking for that. It works after cleaning and re-building the project.
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2692 [22:50:24] <Mmike> So, I had to say this, in apt.conf: Acquire::HTTPS::Proxy "DIRECT";
2693 [22:50:30] <Mmike> But I do not understand why :)
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2706 [23:00:52] <at0m> BCMM: reminds me of old days when ubuntu hadn't changed the default from their upstream
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2709 [23:01:27] <at0m> and yay, another 200GB saved and going
2710 [23:01:58] <loupe> can someone please help me find the driver for my video card.. it's in a core 2 duo machine and I have installed all the firmware and my game can't find the card.
2711 [23:01:59] <loupe> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation NV44 [GeForce 6200 TurboCache] [10de:0161] (rev a1)
2712 [23:02:30] <at0m> loupe: apt install nvidia-detect, and install what nvidia-detect suggests
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2714 [23:02:54] <at0m> oh you've installed that already
2715 [23:03:47] <at0m> loupe: i wonder what you mean with "all the firmware". i'd go from nvidia-detect.
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2717 [23:04:40] <loupe> at0m: basically the dependencies of firmware-linux including the non-free
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2719 [23:05:36] <at0m> loupe: that's not nvidia drivers. see nvidia-detect
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2721 [23:06:28] <cinesc> hi
2722 [23:06:52] <at0m> dpkg: tell loupe about nvidia
2723 [23:07:48] <cinesc> How do you use apparmor to check the state of your computer?
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2727 [23:08:23] <asymptotically> cinesc: aa-status (as root) will tell you about which apparmor profiles are loaded
2728 [23:08:30] <asymptotically> and which processes are enforcing/complaining
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2731 [23:09:39] <cinesc> it says apparmor module is loaded an also apparmor filesystem is not mounted
2732 [23:09:44] <cinesc> and*
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2736 [23:10:23] <cinesc> getting this message as root
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2739 [23:12:00] <BCMM> loupe: are you trying to use the open-source driver of the official driver from nvidia?
2740 [23:12:37] <BCMM> loupe: also, what do you mean by "my game can't find the card"? does it show an error message?
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2742 [23:13:51] <Kremator> hello folks
2743 [23:14:05] <cinesc> asymptotically has this message appeared to you when you try to start up apparmor and how did you solve it?
2744 [23:14:06] <Kremator> where is stored the APT binary in debian 9/10?
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2746 [23:14:39] <greycat> Kremator: /usr/bin/apt and /usr/bin/apt-get
2747 [23:15:00] <Kremator> greycat, and dpkg the same paths?
2748 [23:15:16] <greycat> why can't you just LOOK on your own system?
2749 [23:15:50] <Kremator> greycat, for a couple of reasons, the first im not on a debian box atm and the second, because im unsure of my searching in a linux filesystem skills
2750 [23:15:54] <annadane> hey, firefox 68 now in stable.
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2752 [23:16:01] <greycat> why do you even need to know this? if you're writing a shell script, they're already in your $PATH.
2753 [23:16:09] <greycat> annadane: oh god, what broke?
2754 [23:16:28] <annadane> probably everything
2755 [23:17:35] <BCMM> Kremator: fyi, you can look inside debian packages without having a debian box. replaced-url
2756 [23:18:26] <at0m> or, on a live system, "whereis $executable"
2757 [23:18:58] <cinesc> is that intentional?
2758 [23:19:06] <Kremator> greycat, calm down dude, you seem to be a very little upset, also i need this info because a friend of mine and i are going to do a apt/dpkg-less challenge in debian minimal, so we are going to erase our package managers in a bare metal install
2759 [23:19:17] <greycat> *plonk*
2760 [23:19:40] <Kremator> BCMM, oh, very nice thank you :D, this is going to be perfectly for tracking down more stuff we plant to remove from the base install
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2762 [23:20:16] <Kremator> at0m, aas i said, im not on a debian machine, nor i have the internet access to download an .iso right now
2763 [23:20:24] <BCMM> Kremator: what sort of "base install" are you starting from?
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2765 [23:20:59] <BCMM> cos you can make something a lot smaller than a typical install just using debian's own tools
2766 [23:21:12] <greycat> I will add one final parting shot: a person who cannot figure out how to find the location of "dpkg" on a Debian system has utterly no business removing the package manager and then trying to do... whatever that thing is.
2767 [23:21:34] <Kremator> BCMM, debian netinst with no packages downloaded at install time, and also without any ssh server (no outside cheating) nor any other network transfer utility except nmap, ifconfig/ip and curl
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2769 [23:21:45] <BCMM> Kremator: this is an fun/educational exercise, right? cos there are other, probably better ways of building a minimal image.
2770 [23:21:47] <at0m> greycat: they'll be back here ;)
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2772 [23:21:58] <Kremator> BCMM, yeap, just for fun
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2774 [23:22:21] <Kremator> greycat, have you ever done something just for the sake of trying it?
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2777 [23:23:57] <BCMM> Kremator: so what's the "challenge"? delete the package manager and see if you can get it back without, well, using the package manager?
2778 [23:24:37] <cinesc> if aa-status gives you a message and nothing else happens, what is usually behind it to not go further?
2779 [23:25:01] <Kremator> BCMM, survive with it as main install (except if uni/work stuff appears offcourse, we gonna dual boot) for a month, witth the only available way of installing programs cloning it's repository and compiling it
2780 [23:25:05] <petn-randall> cinesc: what message?
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2782 [23:25:27] <BCMM> Kremator: so like a crappy version of LFS? :)
2783 [23:25:41] <Kremator> BCMM, without the slow hassle of the initial instal yep :P
2784 [23:25:50] <BCMM> Kremator: so you're starting without a compiler, or...?
2785 [23:26:05] <Kremator> oh yes, we are goign to start with gnu gcc and gnu make
2786 [23:26:08] <cinesc> when I go to root and use aa-status I get the same message that says "apparmor module is loaded.apparmor filesystem is not mounted."
2787 [23:26:13] <BCMM> i assume it would be cheating to just download and install Debian packages without using dpkg, right?
2788 [23:26:14] <Kremator> and git (to clone repositories)
2789 [23:26:33] <petn-randall> Kremator: TBH I would only do that in a VM, as you'll have no means to verify any source code you download. That's a crucial step any package manager does.
2790 [23:26:34] <BCMM> Kremator: if you don't want to cheat and download binaries, i strongly suggest starting with build-essential at least
2791 [23:26:37] <cinesc> it´s like something important is missing
2792 [23:26:50] <Kremator> BCMM, yes, but i though you couldnt just "install" them without dpkg, but rather one would have to compile it, or am i wrong?
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2794 [23:27:17] <Kremator> BCMM, i though build-essentials pretty much comes already in all available debian iamges
2795 [23:27:18] <BCMM> Kremator: if i told you, would it be spoiling the challenge?
2796 [23:27:28] <Kremator> BCMM, hell yeah
2797 [23:27:36] <Kremator> so silence for now
2798 [23:27:51] <petn-randall> cinesc: I'd say "apparmor filesystem is not mounted." is the hint you need to look at.
2799 [23:27:53] <BCMM> Kremator: nope. by default, debian isn't set up to compile software. normal users are expected to just get there software through apt.
2800 [23:28:16] <BCMM> Kremator: pretty much every guide for compiling something on debian starts with `apt install build-essential`
2801 [23:28:24] <BCMM> ^their software
2802 [23:28:29] <cinesc> but I don´t know what I need to do for it to mount to anything
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2804 [23:29:04] <Kremator> BCMM, ok thanks, we gonna start up with build-essentials on top of debian minimal
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2809 [23:29:50] <BCMM> Kremator: also be aware that some things that you probably consider to be "part of" every linux distro are not included if you don't install the "standard" task
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2811 [23:29:59] <BCMM> but that's probably part of the fun, right?
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2813 [23:30:18] <petn-randall> cinesc: That's because /sys/kernel/security is not mounted. Normally apparmor should do that for you. What OS release are you running?
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2815 [23:30:25] <Kremator> BCMM, offcourse, we are nto going to use a DE, cli right away
2816 [23:30:26] <asymptotically> cinesc: does `mount | grep security` come up with anything?
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2818 [23:30:27] * jmcnaught notices that firefox-esr 68.2.0esr-1~deb10u1 is in stable now.
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2820 [23:30:41] <PantheraLeo> bruh
2821 [23:30:46] <Kremator> (unless we manage to compile and install an entire DE)
2822 [23:30:54] <greycat> jmcnaught: annadane beat you to it
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2824 [23:31:09] <cinesc> should I write the commando entirely with the ' in it?
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2827 [23:31:19] <PantheraLeo> I was brought by the need of see people suffering by living wiht out their enviroments or PMs
2828 [23:31:22] <asymptotically> sorry, without `
2829 [23:31:23] <greycat> cinesc: without the quote
2830 [23:31:28] <cinesc> ok
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2832 [23:31:52] <PantheraLeo> Just sudo rm -rf * and thats all, computing is no more
2833 [23:32:12] <petn-randall> PantheraLeo: Do you have anything productive to add to the discussion?
2834 [23:32:15] <cinesc> securityfs on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
2835 [23:32:37] <cinesc> is this a good sign?
2836 [23:32:50] <greycat> cinesc: that's what I have
2837 [23:32:53] <petn-randall> cinesc: Yes, that means its mounted.
2838 [23:32:56] <cinesc> ok
2839 [23:32:58] <cinesc> good
2840 [23:33:10] <cinesc> trying aa-status again
2841 [23:33:23] <cinesc> got the same thing again
2842 [23:33:24] <BCMM> Kremator: the standard task isn't a DE. it's stuff like `less`.
2843 [23:33:29] <Kremator> oh
2844 [23:33:42] <Kremator> i though you meant script pakcages like task-xfce-desktop
2845 [23:34:08] <greycat> to see what's in Standard, aptitude search '~pstandard'
2846 [23:34:47] <greycat> so, not 'less', but that was a reasonable guess
2847 [23:35:15] <cinesc> what can I do if "mount | grep security" didn´t help?
2848 [23:35:26] <PantheraLeo> i think i don't as i just joined, sorry
2849 [23:35:31] <BCMM> greycat: i don't actually know the difference between important and required - are important packages included even without a task?
2850 [23:35:32] <jmcnaught> actually the standard task is ~pstandard ~pimportant ~prequired I'm pretty sure
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2852 [23:36:35] <asymptotically> cinesc: not sure :( - that command was just to see if the securityfs actually got mounted (which it did). i've never run into this before on any distro
2853 [23:36:41] <asymptotically> did you change any boot options like security= or apparmor=?
2854 [23:36:48] <BCMM> Kremator: this screenshot of the installer might help make things clearer. there's a pre-selected "standard system utilities" task, separate from the DE stuff replaced-url
2855 [23:37:19] <cinesc> is securityfs a separate package?
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2857 [23:38:11] <cinesc> I only installed it through the package repo and I suspect something important is missing
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2861 [23:38:52] <cinesc> and it´s running on linux debian 9
2862 [23:39:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1538
2863 [23:39:04] <PantheraLeo> How good is Debian 10?
2864 [23:39:15] <jmcnaught> PantheraLeo: best Debian ever
2865 [23:39:18] <Kremator> ^
2866 [23:39:56] <PantheraLeo> I mean, currently i'm debating myself if migrate entirely to Debian from Ubuntu LTS
2867 [23:40:15] <PantheraLeo> And i really hate doublebooting.
2868 [23:40:48] <asymptotically> cinesc: what commands did you run to install? just `apt install apparmor apparmor-utils`?
2869 [23:40:54] <cinesc> could it be that I use more than one storage disk at the same time?
2870 [23:41:12] <BCMM> PantheraLeo: what's the appeal of ubuntu lts? i mean, the usual criticism of debian stable is the inclusion of older packages, but if you're on LTS anyway...
2871 [23:41:19] <PantheraLeo> And as i have already used Debian many times, thinks like outdated packages over time or driver problems bothers me
2872 [23:41:41] <cinesc> no i wasn´t at the terminal, it was with the repo/package manager for debian
2873 [23:41:59] <BCMM> PantheraLeo: "driver problems" that effect debian and not ubuntu can basically all be fixed in one go
2874 [23:42:17] <asymptotically> cinesc: but i mean did you install those two packages?
2875 [23:42:19] <BCMM> PantheraLeo: enable non-free, install firmware-linux-nonfree
2876 [23:42:38] <PantheraLeo> Oh, well
2877 [23:42:48] <PantheraLeo> And what about outdate packages?
2878 [23:43:10] <PantheraLeo> outdated*
2879 [23:43:27] <cinesc> those are installed now but I tried to run it without the utils package
2880 [23:43:39] <BCMM> PantheraLeo: debian stable is like ubuntu LTS
2881 [23:43:53] <BCMM> PantheraLeo: people use it specifically because they want outdated packages
2882 [23:43:54] <PantheraLeo> Yes it is indeed
2883 [23:43:57] <cinesc> before I realized something was missing
2884 [23:44:05] <BCMM> PantheraLeo: why are you using LTS currently, if outdated packages are an issue?
2885 [23:44:18] <lupine> because they're not really an issue
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2887 [23:44:38] <PantheraLeo> Non LTS Ubuntu felt like a mess to me.
2888 [23:44:59] <PantheraLeo> And at that moment i did not take in account the package issue until i needed then
2889 [23:45:27] <PantheraLeo> Is Debian unstable an option?
2890 [23:45:27] <asymptotically> cinesc: did you edit your grub/bootloader config?
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2892 [23:45:52] <cinesc> how do I edit a grub/bootloader?
2893 [23:46:03] <cinesc> grub/bootloader config?*
2894 [23:46:07] <IRCMom> ya
2895 [23:46:17] <IRCMom> menu.cfg
2896 [23:46:28] <IRCMom> /boot/grub
2897 [23:46:33] <IRCMom> ....
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2899 [23:46:41] <asymptotically> i think that's whats missing :). open /etc/default/grub as root, add apparmor=1 and security=apparmor inside GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="...", sudo update-grub and then reboot
2900 [23:46:51] <jmcnaught> PantheraLeo: if you want to be able to apply security upgrades without needing to check if something will break or change or need to be reconfigured then I would stick with stable
2901 [23:47:00] <BCMM> PantheraLeo: up to you to decide if it's an option. i use it as my main desktop, and it's working fine for me.
2902 [23:47:13] <BCMM> you'd be mad to run it on a company server, though
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2904 [23:47:27] <PantheraLeo> yeah, i know it xD
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2906 [23:48:13] <PantheraLeo> Ok, then, so if i have Debian Unstable then it might break, right?
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2908 [23:48:39] <PantheraLeo> I sound like a n00b, but that's because i have only used Stable-stuff all these years
2909 [23:49:02] <cinesc> can´t I use something like nautilus /etc/default/grub to open it?
2910 [23:49:10] <BCMM> PantheraLeo: i mean, it *might* break, but "stable" and "unstable" is not really about the quality of the software
2911 [23:49:18] <asymptotically> it's a text file, you can use whatever text editor you want (as root)
2912 [23:49:19] <jmcnaught> In the Debian context 'stable' means it doesn't change very much, 'unstable' means it changes all the time
2913 [23:49:37] <PantheraLeo> oh, i got it
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2915 [23:49:51] <PantheraLeo> i think that answer my riddle.
2916 [23:50:11] <BCMM> PantheraLeo: it's about the way in which the software changes. for example, on "stable", your setup won't break tomorrow because some server you run got upgraded and the syntax in config file changed
2917 [23:50:22] <BCMM> ^syntax required in a config file changed
2918 [23:50:36] <PantheraLeo> Glad i live the suckless style
2919 [23:50:58] <BCMM> it's about not making changes that might break your setup or your workflow
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2921 [23:51:49] <PantheraLeo> The other big riddle: What about using the original daemon rather than systemd?
2922 [23:52:01] <PantheraLeo> will it affect the userspace?
2923 [23:52:01] <BCMM> badly broken packages getting pushed to unstable can happen, but it's no a frequent occurrence. what makes it "unstable" is simply that package change
2924 [23:52:27] <BCMM> PantheraLeo: by "the original daemon", do you mean sysv init?
2925 [23:52:39] <cinesc> should I change this line? GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet"
2926 [23:52:48] <jmcnaught> I would just use systemd…
2927 [23:52:49] <BCMM> if you don't know what init *is*, don't meddle with it...
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2930 [23:53:00] <PantheraLeo> I mean, my current work machine is an AntiX and that, what if i decide to isntall Steam o whatever app i have already installed in a Systemd'd machine?
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2932 [23:53:14] <asymptotically> cinesc: yeah, change it to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet apparmor=1 security=apparmor"
2933 [23:53:20] <PantheraLeo> Yes, System V init
2934 [23:53:32] <cinesc> also does it work without being root also?
2935 [23:53:48] <asymptotically> no, you need to be root to edit it :(
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2937 [23:53:59] <asymptotically> have you thought about upgrading? i think newer debian versions have apparmor enabled by default
2938 [23:54:06] <PantheraLeo> Are there programs that specifically need the Systemd facility bloat?
2939 [23:54:25] <BCMM> PantheraLeo: uh, what does any of that mean? has somebody told you that steam doesn't work on systemd?
2940 [23:54:57] <nsa_> i wonder if i can do a distupgrade from jesse to buster
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2943 [23:55:33] <PantheraLeo> In SysV init*
2944 [23:55:46] <PantheraLeo> And yes i was taugh.
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2946 [23:56:05] <BCMM> PantheraLeo: technically you can use a different init system in debian, but you're kind of on your own with that. packages are allowed to depend on systemd, i.e. not work automatically without it.
2947 [23:56:16] <cinesc> what happens if I am not root?
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2949 [23:56:28] <PantheraLeo> that some non-esoteric programs from the apt can't run on sysV
2950 [23:56:30] <asymptotically> you won't be able to save your changes
2951 [23:56:43] <PantheraLeo> Oh, so it's true
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2953 [23:56:47] <BCMM> PantheraLeo: there is a fork of debian called devuan which doesn't allow package to depend on systemd
2954 [23:56:58] <nsa_> cinesc: you will neer be sasparilla
2955 [23:57:01] <petn-randall> nsa_: No, you need to dist-upgrade from one to the next version, you can't skip releases. So jessie -> stretch -> buster.
2956 [23:57:07] <PantheraLeo> Oh, yes, i know it, Devuan, AntiX and MX
2957 [23:57:22] <cinesc> will it brick the Debian OS?
2958 [23:57:35] <nsa_> petn-randall: tnx, makes sense
2959 [23:57:37] <petn-randall> cinesc: You shouldn't be root most of the time.
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2961 [23:58:11] <petn-randall> cinesc: For editing that file, you need to be root, otherwise you don't have write permissions.
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2964 [23:58:31] <cinesc> Since It´s quite fundamental stuff I want to be as cautious as I can
2965 [23:58:41] <jmcnaught> PantheraLeo: maybe consider giving systemd a try if you've never actually used it. You might be surprised and find that you actually like some of its features.
2966 [23:58:47] <PantheraLeo> I shall stick to Systemd then.
2967 [23:58:52] <Habbie> PantheraLeo, wise
2968 [23:58:54] <petn-randall> this ^
2969 [23:58:57] <PantheraLeo> Oh, yes, i use systemd in my ubuntu machine
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2972 [23:59:06] <frikinz> Hey. Does that page means its not yet assigned? replaced-url
2973 [23:59:16] <PantheraLeo> i just wanted to make a more lightweight machine
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2975 [23:59:38] <bsld> hello im trying to use weston any ideas how to reload the weston.ini
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2977 [23:59:55] <bsld> ive applied my changes now i want to load them
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