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2 [00:03:57] <warsoul> ok
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16 [00:13:08] <annadane> does anyone know if thunar changed its behavior? i feel like you used to be able to type a filename in the main view window and it would highlight it, now i can only type the first letter and it doesn't allow anything else
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18 [00:14:29] <karlpinc> warsoul: You can safely use pip to install a non-debian python package if you use a python virtual environment.
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22 [00:14:49] <karlpinc> warsoul: So you can get a newer version if that is necessary.
23 [00:14:51] <annadane> i use python3-venv, for instance
24 [00:15:15] <annadane> luckily, if you do need a newer version limnoria is in backports
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28 [00:17:43] <ryouma> i want to measure fan speed and cpu temperature on stretch, perhaps using gkrellm, to diagnose an intermittent grinding sound on an 11yo dell. what is my first step?
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36 [00:23:57] <somiaj> ryouma: install gkrellm? You may also need to install lm-sensors and maybe run use its tools to detect and configure the sensors on your machine.
37 [00:24:09] <somiaj> gkrellm probably already installs lm-sensors as its depends
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47 [00:36:04] <BCMM> apparently libsensors5 only suggests lm-sensors. not quite sure how you're supposed to use it without...
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52 [00:39:22] <somiaj> it could be lm-sensors is only a front end to libsensors5 and other tools like gkrellm and conky only need the libary
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54 [00:39:36] <somiaj> as it just provides cli tools, and if one done'st need the cli tools, it is only suggested
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56 [00:40:04] <BCMM> oh, that's probably it
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58 [00:40:55] <BCMM> yeah, the lm-sensors package could equally well be called lm-sensors-bin or something
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69 [00:46:40] <ryouma> gkrellm has a sensors setting. but nothing i click on does anything.
70 [00:47:54] <ryouma> i also tried this: "~# mbmon -r -P 411" which says "No Hardware Monitor found!! InitMBInfo: Success"
71 [00:48:05] <ryouma> (that command was suggested by gkrellm)
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89 [01:04:57] <saptech> how do I search the sources repo for files?
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94 [01:08:05] <ryouma> i have mbmon and lm-sensors installed. there is no lm-sensors-*
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98 [01:10:18] <ryouma> should i try psensor? all i want to do is monitor something to find out what is making grinding noise
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101 [01:12:38] <BCMM> if you have read errors in dmesg, your hdd is making the grinding noise. otherwise, it's a fan bearing.
102 [01:12:50] <BCMM> (not 100% accurate but pretty good odds)
103 [01:12:59] <ryouma> ok
104 [01:13:11] <ryouma> what should i search for in dmesg
105 [01:13:30] <ryouma> "error" does not appear if i run dmesg
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111 [01:16:20] <LtL> ryouma: did you run sensors-detect ?
112 [01:16:53] <ryouma> i will try
113 [01:17:24] <LtL> ryouma: say yes to everything
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115 [01:19:01] <ryouma> LtL: oops, i pressed return on everything
116 [01:19:11] <ryouma> LtL: it says to add coretemp to /etc/modules
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118 [01:19:55] <ryouma> does that sound like a reasonable thing to do? like it won't make half the earth explode? if so i will say yes to that. teh default is no.
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120 [01:20:24] <LtL> ryouma: it defaults to yes if i recall, and yes to coretemp, then it will all work. sensors command, gkrellm, conky et al
121 [01:20:43] <LtL> say yes
122 [01:20:46] <ryouma> defaults to no here on stretch, but great, i will try it!
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124 [01:20:51] <LtL> nothing blows up
125 [01:21:55] <ryouma> will also run /etc/init.d/kmod start
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128 [01:23:06] <ryouma> no sensor data apparent in gkrellm
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130 [01:23:35] <BCMM> warsoul: are you talking about neofetch output (as seen in every single screenshot of linux these days)?
131 [01:23:36] <LtL> ryouma: does 'sensors' work in a terminal
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133 [01:23:55] <warsoul> BCMM, let me see one
134 [01:24:00] <warsoul> yo see if is what i want
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136 [01:24:49] <BCMM> warsoul: for example replaced-url
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141 [01:25:18] <warsoul> exactly
142 [01:25:22] <LtL> ryouma: in gkrellm click builtins and you see what you can set to show you.
143 [01:25:24] <warsoul> BCMM, something like that
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145 [01:26:13] <ryouma> yeah sensors seems to work replaced-url
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147 [01:26:46] <LtL> ryouma: in gkrellm configuration, click builtins
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151 [01:27:11] <LtL> ryouma: it may need restarting
152 [01:27:12] <ryouma> yeah it is the builtins sensors entry that has entries for sensors but acts as if it is greyed out
153 [01:27:16] <ryouma> ah
154 [01:27:53] <BCMM> warsoul: you could do `apt install neofetch` (as root), and then add `neofetch` to your ~/.bashrc
155 [01:28:15] <warsoul> and can i edit it?
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158 [01:29:19] <BCMM> warsoul: it has a lot of options
159 [01:29:40] <BCMM> if you want to turn some types of information off or something
160 [01:29:55] <warsoul> ok
161 [01:29:59] <warsoul> where can i check that?
162 [01:30:14] <BCMM> man neofetch or neofetch --help
163 [01:30:29] <ryouma> LtL: the types of temperatures (cpu and video card) shows up under the setup for sensors, but there is no obvious place to enable it to be shown in gkrellm
164 [01:30:50] <ryouma> (i restarted)
165 [01:30:57] <LtL> ryouma: just tick what you want shown.
166 [01:31:16] <BCMM> warsoul: also replaced-url
167 [01:31:30] <ryouma> LtL: no tick boxes
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169 [01:31:53] <ryouma> ah hang on
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171 [01:32:18] <ryouma> LtL: working thank you
172 [01:32:26] <LtL> ryouma: yep
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177 [01:33:48] <ryouma> that sensors command is also useful as it seems to saay what would be too high
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182 [01:37:02] <warsoul> BCMM, how i add neofetch to the bash
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189 [01:41:54] <LtL> ryouma: yep
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192 [01:43:54] <LtL> ryouma: there are some nice gtk2/3 themes on github
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194 [01:44:48] <Unit193> Also some in the repo as well, the arc themes, numix, greybird, etc.
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197 [01:45:35] <somiaj> ryouma: maybe install lm-senssors and run sensors-detect as root, it will see if it can detect any sensors and load the appropriate modules
198 [01:45:45] <ryouma> huh, i'd sure like a high contrast, non-blue, non-white theme
199 [01:46:03] <somiaj> it could be that the modules for the sensors on your hardware wasn't loaded.
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201 [01:46:21] <ryouma> somiaj: got that sorted :) thanks
202 [01:46:38] <somiaj> oh good, I was away for a bit
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204 [01:46:49] <ryouma> somiaj: i had to allow it to install coretemp and then restart gkrellm and then check smoe boxes in its setup
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208 [01:48:11] <ryouma> i am completely confused when it comes to themes and getting my mouse to not have a white border and lxappearance changing allm y symlinks and gtk 2 vs. 3 and getting firefox to have a high contrast dark theme and everything.
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211 [01:49:36] <ryouma> (i basically want high contrast dark theme, respecting really high dpi, for everything in the debian universe, and no bleed through from backlight)
212 [01:49:45] <LtL> ryouma: replaced-url
213 [01:50:02] <ryouma> (checkboxes are too small and unreadable; i fixed fonts pretty much)
214 [01:50:31] <ryouma> oh, i use fluxbox
215 [01:50:54] <ryouma> oh that's for gtk3, great
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218 [01:51:30] <ryouma> blue on black drives me insane
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235 [02:02:04] <LtL> ryouma: you realize gkrellm can run separate themes than you use on your desktop.
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240 [02:05:43] <DanteD> I have this script at /etc/modprobe.d/i915-pwm.conf: "install i915 /usr/bin/intelpwm; /sbin/modprobe i915 --ignore-install", but it stopped executing the /usr/bin/intelpwm after upgrading from Stretch to Buster, any idea what changed that broke it?
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250 [02:17:05] <saptech> what is the command to search the source repos for a file?
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255 [02:19:14] <LtL> saptech: probably good to d deb-src lines to sources.list but not mandatory, you can use replaced-url
256 [02:19:32] <LtL> *add deb-src
257 [02:19:50] <saptech> yes I have it listed
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260 [02:20:42] <LtL> apt-get source packagename
261 [02:20:55] <saptech> thanks
262 [02:21:02] <LtL> sure
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267 [02:23:07] <LtL> well, saptech thats ot the search function you asked for, probably apt-get search
268 [02:24:00] <saptech> would I include 'source' with it?
269 [02:24:21] <saptech> apt-get search source pkgname?
270 [02:24:30] <saptech> is that how it work
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272 [02:25:17] <LtL> uh, no.
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275 [02:26:27] <LtL> apt-get source packagename i don't see a search function, apt or apt-get search pkgname, then apt-get source package will download to pwd.
276 [02:26:58] <saptech> ok
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280 [02:28:57] <cstls> hi, i'm getting an error "ERROR: @wl_notify_scan_status:" right after GNOME Display manager is about to start, and then boot just hangs while this error repeats. anyone have any ideas?
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282 [02:32:18] <Unit193> Are you on stable?
283 [02:32:40] <cstls> testing
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285 [02:33:13] <Unit193> #941782
286 [02:33:14] <judd> Bug replaced-url
287 [02:33:31] <Unit193> (Or is that a different issue?)
288 [02:33:41] <LtL> !testing
289 [02:33:41] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <bullseye>. See replaced-url
290 [02:33:51] <cstls> i think that's separate. this is related to my wireless, i'm pretty sure
291 [02:34:11] <warsoul> when the next debian is coming out?
292 [02:34:33] <cstls> booted into recovery mode and ran the rest of dist upgrade but still no luck
293 [02:34:35] <LtL> cstls: googling your error reveals many results.
294 [02:34:53] <LtL> warsoul: 2 years or more
295 [02:35:21] <warsoul> whats the name?
296 [02:35:30] <LtL> bullseye
297 [02:35:44] <warsoul> weird name lol
298 [02:36:12] <LtL> not for an archer or sniper etc.
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300 [02:36:33] <warsoul> LtL you know about neofetch?
301 [02:36:50] <LtL> warsoul: i have it, it has a manpage
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303 [02:37:39] <warsoul> how can i add it when i open terminal
304 [02:37:39] <Unit193> cstls: Aha, OK.
305 [02:38:00] <LtL> warsoul: why would you want to!
306 [02:38:31] <warsoul> looks cool to me lol
307 [02:38:51] <martigan> judd, what happened that cused you to get that error? I updated a kali VM last night and when I went to spin it up today I could only boot into recovery as well and couldn't figure out a way to get it working.
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309 [02:39:24] <martigan> Ended up reinstalling, now some gnome packages are being kept back on the fresh install.
310 [02:39:28] <warsoul> martigan, judd is a bot.
311 [02:39:35] <martigan> doh
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314 [02:40:19] <LtL> warsoul: nano .bashrc type eofetch at the bottom of the file
315 [02:40:26] <LtL> neofetch
316 [02:40:46] <martigan> What causes packages to be kept back? I just signed on and coulnd't see any scrollback from before that message.
317 [02:40:54] <martigan> What causes packages to be held back?
318 [02:41:31] <dsal> Hi. Can anyone help me get syslog working? I'm using rsyslogd, which used to work on this particular machine. I'm not entirely sure what changed, but nothing that tries to log to /dev/log or whatever works anymore.
319 [02:41:31] <LtL> martigan: do a #apt full-upgrade see 8if that helps
320 [02:42:21] <warsoul> LtL, thanks...
321 [02:42:53] <LtL> warsoul: yep
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323 [02:43:15] <LtL> dsal: what does this say, $ systemctl status rsyslog.service
324 [02:43:37] <dsal> LtL: it says it's fine -- the process is up. It doesn't appear to be listening to any domain sockets, though.
325 [02:44:12] <dsal> Except whatever this is: rsyslogd 12702 root 3u unix 0xd6451cc0 0t0 422 /run/systemd/journal/syslog type=DGRAM
326 [02:44:32] <LtL> dsal: try restarting as root
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328 [02:45:05] <dsal> Hmm... there are four sockets in that directory. /dev/log points to a different one.
329 [02:45:07] <warsoul> LtL, replaced-url
330 [02:45:13] <warsoul> is this a good source list?
331 [02:45:59] <LtL> warsoul: i would add contrib and non-free to backports, can't hurt.
332 [02:46:14] <LtL> warsoul: but yes looks good
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334 [02:47:02] <dsal> Well, ln -sf pointing to the thing it's actually listening to worked. I don't understand how it got that way, though.
335 [02:47:38] <LtL> dsal: check /var/log/syslog and messages maybe
336 [02:48:44] <dsal> Almost nothing was logging there until I fixed that symlink. Kind of odd. I guess rubber ducky? :/
337 [02:48:58] <dsal> I was also trying to get systemd-journald working, which, AFAICT, also doesn't work.
338 [02:49:58] <warsoul> LtL, deb replaced-url
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340 [02:50:00] <warsoul> like this?
341 [02:50:02] <dsal> replaced-url
342 [02:52:22] <martigan> LtL, replaced-url
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347 [02:54:03] <dsal> NoNewPrivileges=no fixed that... but also seems a little sketchy.
348 [02:54:14] <martigan> no luck with full-upgrade either.
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352 [03:02:24] <ryouma> LtL: yes, i know gkrellm has its own themes. never was able to delve into that (didn't find good ergo themes or had trouble getting them to work)
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364 [03:15:50] <LtL> warsoul: like that yes
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367 [03:16:42] <LtL> martigan: Try apt-get dist-upgrade -after- a update upgrade
368 [03:18:15] <LtL> martigan: if you're on kali, all bets off, we can't help, we don't know it.
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371 [03:19:41] <LtL> dsal: no idea why journaling doesn't work.
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374 [03:20:15] <martigan> Ya, I just looked at my history and I did dist-upgrade first. And ya it's in a kali vm that gave me the issue. I just logged in here and saw the same error I had so I started asking about it. I know this isn't the spot for kali support but thanks for the help anyway. :)
375 [03:20:22] <dsal> LtL: It worked when I turned off NoNewPrivileges. The more I understand about systemd, the less I understand about systemd.
376 [03:20:35] <LtL> dsal: i feel ya
377 [03:21:11] <LtL> martigan: yeah, good luck
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424 [03:59:52] <bit1> hello, I've an issue: `/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/librt.so.1' for IFUNC symbol `clock_gettime' . Any hint? please!
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428 [04:03:03] <karlpinc> !errors
429 [04:03:03] <dpkg> If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>.
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431 [04:04:26] <bit1> karlpinc, no problems, it seems, I've solved it, I can't be able to login as root user: su - su: Relink `/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security/pam_systemd.so' with `/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/librt.so.1' for IFUNC symbol `clock_gettime'
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435 [04:07:22] <bit1> thanks :-)
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472 [04:36:31] <ryouma> can i presume these warnings are innocuous? i have no parallel port that i know of. "2019-10-07 15:28:20-0700 napoleon2 kernel: parport 0x378 (WARNING): CTR: wrote 0x0c, read 0xff 2019-10-07 15:28:20-0700 napoleon2 kernel: parport 0x378 (WARNING): DATA: wrote 0xaa, read 0xff 2019-10-07 15:28:20-0700 napoleon2 kernel: parport 0x378: You gave this address, but there is probably no parallel port there!"
473 [04:36:38] <ryouma> (google was not too useful)
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484 [04:48:59] <warsoul> how to unzip a *.zip file on terminal
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486 [04:49:03] <warsoul> trying unzip file
487 [04:49:13] <warsoul> -bash: unzip: command not found
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489 [04:50:55] <dvs> dpkg: info unzip
490 [04:50:58] <dpkg> unzip: (De-archiver for .zip files), section utils, is optional. Version: 6.0-25 (sid), Packaged size: 167 kB, Installed size: 602 kB
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492 [04:53:52] <karlpinc> warsoul: You have to install the package.
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494 [04:54:25] <warsoul> configure: error: Cannot find flex.
495 [04:54:30] <warsoul> having this error on terminel
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497 [04:54:33] <warsoul> after ./configure
498 [04:54:46] <karlpinc> warsoul: Of what?
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500 [04:54:53] <dvs> omg are you try to build unzip?
501 [04:54:58] <warsoul> ircd
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505 [04:56:15] <dvs> dpkg: info ircd-irc2
506 [04:56:17] <dpkg> ircd-irc2: (The original IRC server daemon), section net, is optional. Version: 2.11.2p3~dfsg-5 (sid), Packaged size: 427 kB, Installed size: 819 kB
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508 [04:57:17] <warsoul> i all ready download
509 [04:57:25] <warsoul> but when i type ./configure
510 [04:57:28] <karlpinc> warsoul: You probably want to install the build-essentials package. But really, why build and not install from apt? (And it's a good idea to build in a dbootstrap chroot to keep from cluttering up your system with .dev packages.)
511 [04:57:28] <warsoul> im getting this error
512 [04:57:59] <warsoul> karlpinc how can i do that?
513 [04:58:25] <karlpinc> warsoul: How did you install zip?
514 [04:59:13] <warsoul> sudo apt install unzip
515 [04:59:20] <warsoul> then unzip file.zip
516 [04:59:21] <dvs> so....
517 [04:59:31] <warsoul> cd file
518 [04:59:47] <karlpinc> warsoul: Well, that will work for installing the ircd-irc2 package just like it works for installing the unzip package.
519 [05:00:09] <warsoul> then i type ./configure
520 [05:00:19] <warsoul> configure: error: Cannot find flex.
521 [05:00:27] <karlpinc> warsoul: You should probably read the don't break debian (and maybe debiansoftware) wiki page(s).
522 [05:00:40] <karlpinc> !don't break debian
523 [05:00:40] <dpkg> from memory, dont break debian is replaced-url
524 [05:01:06] <karlpinc> warsoul: Are you paying attention? : sudo apt install ircd-irc2
525 [05:01:22] <dvs> karlpinc, nope, no more spoonfeeding for me.
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529 [05:01:54] <warsoul> karlpinc i think has to be the same file that i have because is to link to a network
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531 [05:02:12] <warsoul> not sure
532 [05:02:39] <karlpinc> warsoul: Why do you think that?
533 [05:03:09] <warsoul> im installing it
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535 [05:03:34] <warsoul> because of this u2.10.12.14+EvilNET(1.0)
536 [05:03:50] <karlpinc> warsoul: "this"?
537 [05:04:25] <warsoul> on the application of the network says to download that file
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540 [05:05:14] <karlpinc> warsoul: If you're going to follow random instructions you're going to get random results. What is "the application of the network"?
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543 [05:05:50] <warsoul> the application of the network i want to link my ircd server
544 [05:06:23] <karlpinc> warsoul: That is not an English sentence.
545 [05:06:26] <theciaguy> Now I know what aphasia feels like.
546 [05:06:55] <karlpinc> warsoul: If you tell us your native language we can direct you to a debian support channel in that language.
547 [05:07:11] <warsoul> spanish
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549 [05:07:19] <karlpinc> !es
550 [05:07:20] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
551 [05:07:51] <karlpinc> warsoul: You're free to ask here too, but we need to be able to understand.
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553 [05:09:05] <karlpinc> warsoul: An irc server should be able to support clients on an irc network. Debian patches security problems in Debian stable, so whatever server you install from the Debian repos should be secure.
554 [05:09:39] <warsoul> ok
555 [05:09:52] <warsoul> thanks
556 [05:09:55] <warsoul> for your time
557 [05:10:28] <karlpinc> You're welcome. We're here to help. (And English is hard, these days even for native English speakers.)
558 [05:10:47] <warsoul> had an error when sudo apt install ircd-irc2
559 [05:10:58] <warsoul> Errors were encountered while processing:
560 [05:10:58] <warsoul> ircd-irc2
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562 [05:11:10] <annadane> !paste
563 [05:11:10] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
564 [05:11:13] <annadane> !bat
565 [05:11:13] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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568 [05:13:02] <warsoul> replaced-url
569 [05:13:39] <annadane> oh okay, we don't really need !bat then
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574 [05:16:03] <warsoul> annadane, you look at the paste?
575 [05:16:36] <annadane> yeah but i don't know how to fix the problem
576 [05:16:56] <warsoul> ok thanks
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593 [05:37:44] <LaScoumoune> Hi all, i have a question, is it possible to make like a chroot enviro fail (no network, no lib host etc..) for testing a file, lile a binary, or other ?
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596 [05:38:46] <LaScoumoune> fail* = jail
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603 [05:40:54] <mason> So, I'm thinking about AMD vs nVidia for a video card replacement, with Steam gaming being a goal, and I'm wondering if the AMD support in 4.19 is sufficient for this.
604 [05:41:57] <mason> It's been years since I can a Radeon with Debian, and it was before the free software drivers. Random things I'm reading say that things changed as of Linux 5.0.
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609 [05:46:26] <mason> Don't everyone rush to answer. If you do, maybe point me to replaced-url
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612 [05:47:52] <warsoul> whats the command line to make a second file?
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635 [06:03:11] <annadane> warsoul, touch
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638 [06:03:16] <annadane> but your question isn't entirely clear
639 [06:03:27] <warsoul> found it
640 [06:03:33] <warsoul> cp file newname
641 [06:03:37] <warsoul> thanks
642 [06:03:44] <annadane> sure, or that
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651 [06:10:19] <warsoul> annadane where i can get help running ircu
652 [06:10:35] <warsoul> i think i did everything all ready and configure the ircd.conf file
653 [06:10:44] <warsoul> now i need to run it but dont know the command line
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661 [06:17:49] <annadane> ,i ircd-irc2
662 [06:17:50] <judd> Package ircd-irc2 (net, optional) in buster/amd64: The original IRC server daemon. Version: 2.11.2p3~dfsg-5; Size: 420.0k; Installed: 796k; Homepage: replaced-url
663 [06:18:08] <annadane> i don't know whether it's a standalone client or not
664 [06:18:25] <annadane> you can try whereis ircd-irc2 to see if it's in /usr/bin, aka if it's a binary that you can launch
665 [06:19:04] <Unit193> Seems like a strange choice for an IRCd.
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677 [06:29:27] <warsoul> hey
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680 [06:29:36] <warsoul> ircd is running in my server
681 [06:29:42] <warsoul> when i type ps x
682 [06:29:48] <warsoul> dont see the process
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684 [06:30:54] <annadane> well you did just have the unit fail earlier
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686 [06:31:03] <annadane> in the pastebin you posted
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688 [06:31:27] <annadane> replaced-url
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690 [06:31:35] <warsoul> replaced-url
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693 [06:33:32] <annadane> i tend to use ps aux anyhow, but yeah, you didn't get an answer for how to correct your earlier problems
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695 [06:35:39] <warsoul> replaced-url
696 [06:35:43] <warsoul> dont see ircd
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699 [06:37:21] <warsoul> i want to kill the process
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701 [06:38:02] <annadane> irc 14004 0.0 0.8 38864 16492 ? S Oct07 0:00 /usr/sbin/ircd
702 [06:38:10] <Unit193> Line 90
703 [06:38:28] <annadane> also, use grep to search for text
704 [06:38:39] <annadane> ps aux | grep ircd
705 [06:39:29] <annadane> 'man ps' also has different options to list processes
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714 [06:45:38] <warsoul> annadane, thanks
715 [06:46:17] <annadane> i don't even know what ircd is or why anyone would want it but that's another discussion
716 [06:47:02] <Unit193> IRC daemon, aka an IRC server? Because IRC is awesome.
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736 [07:08:02] <annadane> how trivial is it to shrink a debian install using the installer so i can install another distro with the remaining space?
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746 [07:14:33] <jim> annadane, well if it's just a matter of how much storage space you have, you can start looking at df
747 [07:14:49] <jim> how much free space do you have?
748 [07:15:22] <annadane> 854G on this, my debian install... "free", i mean, it's all currently used up by debian stable
749 [07:16:21] <jim> and, if other than that, you also have -unpartitioned- space, you can use that directly (if it's enough to have the installation of the dist you want)
750 [07:16:55] <jim> did you put the stable into just one partition?
751 [07:16:59] <annadane> okay, but can i trim the 854 into something smaller, i just don't know if the installer can do it
752 [07:17:05] <annadane> yeah i set it to use my entire computer
753 [07:17:18] <mohnish> Can someone help me? Whenever I install or remove a package using apt, it gives me the following error: dpkg: error processing package libmariadbclient18:amd64 (--configure):
754 [07:17:18] <mohnish> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
755 [07:17:26] <jim> sec
756 [07:17:30] <mohnish> But, the installed packages run fine
757 [07:18:15] <jim> mohnish, how did you get this libmariadbclient18?
758 [07:18:30] <mohnish> jim: I have no idea
759 [07:18:44] <mohnish> jim: Is it even important, can I just remove it?
760 [07:18:44] <jim> ok, what did you do?
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762 [07:19:02] <jim> do you use mariadb?
763 [07:19:18] <mohnish> jim: I don't know what mariadb is
764 [07:19:27] <jim> oh ok
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766 [07:19:31] <annadane> anyway it's fine jim i'll just tinker around with it
767 [07:19:31] <mohnish> jim: Can I just remove it?
768 [07:19:44] <jim> what were you trying to do when you got this error?
769 [07:19:50] <annadane> i think i'd rather have it in a vm anyway
770 [07:20:15] <jim> annadane, are you using lvm?
771 [07:20:18] <mohnish> jim: It just appears whenever I install or remove a package using apt
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774 [07:20:36] <annadane> nope
775 [07:20:36] <mohnish> jim: The packages I install run fine with no problem
776 [07:20:49] <mohnish> jim: Can I remove it?
777 [07:21:07] <jim> mohnish, ok... do you have nc? (do you get anything from 'which nc'?)
778 [07:21:23] <mohnish> jim: what's nc?
779 [07:21:24] <jim> just a sec, don't remove anything yet
780 [07:21:31] <mohnish> okay
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782 [07:22:01] <jim> netcat (we can use it to pastebin outputs of commands)
783 [07:22:04] <mohnish> I tried "which nc" it give me output: /usr/bin/nc
784 [07:22:12] <mohnish> jim: ^^
785 [07:22:15] <jim> good... so it is installed
786 [07:22:26] <mohnish> yeah, I guess
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788 [07:23:46] <jim> annadane, maybe you can shrink your filesystem... depending on what kind it is, then shrink the containing partition, then you
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790 [07:24:15] <jim> would have unpartitioned space, which it's likely this other installer can use
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792 [07:24:22] <mohnish> jim: So, what should I do?
793 [07:24:24] <annadane> ext4, but it's fine, i'd rather not mess around with it on second thought
794 [07:25:10] <jim> annadane, usually I ask folks if a new/spare drive is in their future
795 [07:25:37] <jim> or whether they have a spare drive already
796 [07:26:01] <jim> if so, maybe you can install the new dist to that
797 [07:26:19] <mohnish> jim: ?
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799 [07:26:54] <jim> mohnish, there's a pastebin site called termbin.com... works like this: if you have nc installed, you can pastebin the output of an arbitrary command, for example ls -CF if you run it like this: ls -CF | nc termbin.com 9999.
800 [07:27:28] <mohnish> okay, what would that do?
801 [07:27:34] <jim> termbin will show you a url when it's done pastebinning
802 [07:28:02] <jim> run this: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999
803 [07:28:43] <mohnish> jim: replaced-url
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809 [07:30:31] <jim> mohnish, ok... so, it looks like you're running kali, which is a special-purpose dist that
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811 [07:30:39] <jim> is based on debian
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815 [07:35:29] <annadane> !kali
816 [07:35:30] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
817 [07:35:36] <annadane> oh, they're gone.
818 [07:35:54] <annadane> must i turn on joins/parts?
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830 [07:53:09] <SwedeMike> replaced-url
831 [07:53:17] <SwedeMike> oh, sorry, wrong channel
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834 [07:57:13] <annadane> sacrilege
835 [08:00:55] <jim> annadane, what did you decide to do?
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843 [08:02:57] <annadane> oh just run it in a vm
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866 [08:26:58] <jim> what is the difference between discover and synaptic?
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868 [08:27:38] <themill> in the context of them both being pretty broken, little
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884 [08:36:35] <GNU\colossus> on a number of Buster hosts, I upgrade openssh (where /etc/openssh/sshd_config was modified manually) like this: apt-get -qq -o Dpkg::Options::=--force-confold install --only-upgrade openssh-sftp-server openssh-server openssh-client
885 [08:37:08] <GNU\colossus> and that puts me in the interactive "Package configuration" screen, where I can choose to "keep the local version currently installed"
886 [08:37:16] <GNU\colossus> what do I need to do to make this action the default?
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895 [08:43:51] <themill> exporting "UCF_FORCE_CONFFOLD=true" IIRC
896 [08:44:26] <GNU\colossus> dpkg's manual tells me I also want to set --force-confdef
897 [08:45:47] <GNU\colossus> I will tias
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899 [08:46:03] * themill and ucf don't get along that well
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902 [08:46:59] <TomTheDragon> is there an unofficial, bleeding-edge mesa repo? I'm kind of wanting to play with debian proper (arm64) on my rpi3b but lack of an up to date mesa is killing it.
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915 [08:55:05] <GNU\colossus> now I am running `apt-get -qq -o Dpkg::Options::=--force-confold -o Dpkg::Options::=--force-confdef install --only-upgrade openssh-sftp-server openssh-server openssh-client`, and I _still_ get prompted...
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923 [08:58:09] <GNU\colossus> themill, your approach seems effective
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925 [08:58:15] <GNU\colossus> but I don't understand why
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932 [08:59:35] <themill> !ucf
933 [08:59:35] <dpkg> ucf (Update Configuration File) is a framework used by packages to allow intelligent merging of modified configuration files with maintainer changes in postinst scripts. See apt-cache show ucf; or /usr/share/doc/ucf/ for more information. See also <ucf confmiss>.
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936 [09:00:21] <themill> it's a different way of dealing with config file updates and so there's yet another thing to disable if you want confold.
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939 [09:00:44] <GNU\colossus> I see. I was not aware that there's something outside of dpkg itself dealing with that business
940 [09:00:54] <GNU\colossus> TIL. thank you!
941 [09:01:57] <dgriffi> Frotz 2.50 is ready for beta
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959 [09:17:51] <DanteD> From stretch->buster upgrade script at /etc/modprobe.d/i915.conf stopped working, any idea why? (install i915 /usr/bin/intelpwm; /sbin/modprobe i915 --ignore-install) it doesn't run intelpwm anymore.
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964 [09:18:50] <zigol> replaced-url
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966 [09:18:55] <zigol> can someone help me :)
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969 [09:19:39] <zigol> if possible
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971 [09:20:04] <themill> zigol: I think you should read the docs for that
972 [09:20:34] <zamuro> !anyone
973 [09:20:35] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
974 [09:20:38] <zamuro> !help
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977 [09:22:37] <zigol> dude
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979 [09:22:45] <zigol> ive read it and i am applying it
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981 [09:22:54] <zigol> but says deps not found :/
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983 [09:23:40] <zigol> go get -u github.com/golang/dep/cmd/dep
984 [09:23:42] <zigol> ive done it
985 [09:23:45] <zigol> but no sucess
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987 [09:24:42] <themill> your paste doesn't show that; it mostly shows a pile of typos
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992 [09:27:08] <zigol> shut up
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994 [09:27:30] <Haohmaru> now now
995 [09:29:22] <DanteD> Alternatively, can I somehow run a script before kernel modules are (auto) loaded?
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1002 [09:30:21] <zigol> make a load modules.d folder :D
1003 [09:30:51] <zigol> a cron service
1004 [09:30:53] <zigol> at boot time
1005 [09:31:03] <bensons> hi. i am trying to do a pxe install of debian buster. while it worked fine for the past debian releases, buster main_menu segfaults at random points during the installation. anyone has experienced that as well?
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1011 [09:35:43] <dgriffi> bensons: last time I ran into that, there was a hangup of 32-bit versus 64-bit
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1013 [09:36:58] <DanteD> I think I found out the problem, the script I wanted to run when loading i915 is not in initrd.img but i915 module is. Still no idea why this broke between stretch->buster
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1016 [09:37:24] <DanteD> maybe they moved i915 loading earlier to initramfs
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1019 [09:38:21] <themill> Sounds like it's worth checking /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf and /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
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1021 [09:38:41] <themill> For reasons I don't recall, I have «i915 modeset=1» in the latter.
1022 [09:40:18] <bensons> dgriffi: hm let me check..
1023 [09:41:17] <dgriffi> bensons: another problem I had WRT that is that somehow the new installer didn't like the initrd.gz and vmlinuz files
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1027 [09:42:49] <gour> morning
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1031 [09:45:24] <gour> yesterday I did update my father-in-law's machine from Jester to Buster (GNOME) and today he reported me that some of his legal docs (bank statements) do not print properly. I have reported that bug 1.5yrs ago and some dev hhas created anonym. attachement (see replaced-url
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1033 [09:46:06] <gour> i'm on sid and, of course, the bug is still there, so wonder if reporting it to Debian could help pushing upstream to fix it?
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1038 [09:47:30] <bensons> dgriffi: colleague solved it, its replaced-url
1039 [09:47:31] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1040 [09:47:46] <bensons> dgriffi: pretty obvious... NOT :)
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1042 [09:48:25] <dgriffi> bensons: beautiful... one of those silent surprises
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1074 [10:12:42] <ratrace> Are linux kernels before 3.19 officially supported in Debian Stable? If not, I'm wondering why is OpenSSH in stable being patched to work on <3.19 kernels.... replaced-url
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1076 [10:12:43] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1079 [10:13:29] <ratrace> I'm a bit.... sensitive when debian patches ssh around randomness functions, ever since that debacle years ago... :)
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1082 [10:14:22] <ratrace> %s/ssh around/ssh\/openssl around/
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1129 [10:41:51] <tsujp> What does this mean in LS_COLOURS `bd=48;5;232;38;5;11`
1130 [10:41:58] <tsujp> I thought there were only 4 options per key, and this has 6
1131 [10:42:02] <tsujp> WIth numbers I dont recognise
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1166 [11:06:11] <Ede|Popede> here it is bd=40;33;01 - most have 2 numbers only anyway, some with 1. only bd, cd, or have 3.
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1172 [11:09:06] <Ede|Popede> `dircolors -p` says: BLK 40;33;01 # block device driver
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1214 [11:47:05] <_ioannis> Hello there peeps. I've added deb ... buster-backports in my sources file
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1216 [11:47:15] <_ioannis> I'm trying to get cockpit-dashboard 202 version
1217 [11:47:27] <_ioannis> but when I'm doing apt-get install it says I already have the latest (188)
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1219 [11:47:40] <themill> exact command?
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1221 [11:47:54] <_ioannis> I've done apt-get update
1222 [11:48:00] <_ioannis> and I'm doing apt-get install cockpit-dashboard
1223 [11:48:12] <_ioannis> it says : cockpit-dashboard is already the newest version (188-1).
1224 [11:48:26] <_ioannis> Buster backports says cockpit-dashboard (202.1-1~bpo10+1)
1225 [11:48:27] <dob1> -t buster-backport
1226 [11:48:35] <_ioannis> ahhh
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1228 [11:48:37] <dob1> or backports ?
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1230 [11:48:57] <_ioannis> is it possible to do cockpit-* with -t buster-backports ?
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1232 [11:49:11] <dob1> try apt-get -t buster-backports install package
1233 [11:49:22] <_ioannis> I think it worked.
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1235 [11:49:35] <themill> _ioannis: yes, although it uses regex syntax not glob.
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1238 [11:49:57] <_ioannis> perfect!
1239 [11:50:00] <_ioannis> thank you it worked.
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1241 [11:51:05] <dob1> themill, are you sure ? cockpit-* is like cockpit-* * is 0 or more number of times
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1244 [11:52:07] <themill> yes
1245 [11:52:10] <dob1> if it is regexp it would be cockpit-.*
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1247 [11:52:31] <themill> that is what was intended, yes
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1249 [11:52:52] <dob1> themill, but he used cockpit-* and he said it worked
1250 [11:53:14] <themill> yes, cockpit with zero or more - after it matches lots of packages
1251 [11:53:42] <humpled> rather use tab completion hinting than regex
1252 [11:53:57] <themill> humpled: for multiple packages, the regex makes sense
1253 [11:54:08] <humpled> if you know what you're doing
1254 [11:54:41] <dob1> themill, it is a find not a match as regexp
1255 [11:54:45] <dob1> right?
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1257 [11:55:39] <themill> you might need to define what you mean as "find" and "match"; this is all in the man page btw
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1259 [11:57:36] <themill> These are unanchored patterns in PCRE terms if that helps
1260 [11:57:57] <themill> (you can anchor them with ^ and $ if you please)
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1263 [11:59:28] <dob1> themill, cockpit-* doesn't match any package name as full match, but as find it matches a lot of them
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1269 [12:04:04] <themill> dob1: yes (that's not what any regex library I know calls it, but yes that's the effect)
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1287 [12:16:48] <ov3rmind> hello great guys!
1288 [12:17:25] <network_fail> Hi everyone, I'm running debian buster, my network is broken after editing /etc/resolv.conf, I changed the dns, then did systemctl restart networking. How can I solve it? Thank you in advance
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1318 [12:36:38] <w1d3m0d3> is there documentation on how to package .debs using debhelper?
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1327 [12:46:00] <themill> !nmg
1328 [12:46:01] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
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1351 [13:05:52] <w1d3m0d3> just tried debhelper again, I actually did it, however I have a question, should I do dh-make once in order to generate and set up all the needed file and then keep them in my sources or?
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1355 [13:12:31] <chris768443> Hi, I have problems with an MDADM RAID6 in an "unclear" state. Anyone here with knowledge about mdad?
1356 [13:12:55] <chris768443> mdadm --detail /dev/md0 : replaced-url
1357 [13:13:23] <chris768443> cat /proc/mdstat : replaced-url
1358 [13:13:39] <chris768443> 4.19.0-0.bpo.5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.37
1359 [13:13:56] <chris768443> mdadm --versionmdadm - v3.4 - 28th January 2016
1360 [13:14:33] <chris768443> i have no idea why mdadm --detail says "active, not startet" and /proc/mdstat "inactive"
1361 [13:14:56] <chris768443> dmesg: md/raid:md0: cannot start dirty degraded array.
1362 [13:15:01] <chris768443> md/raid:md0: failed to run raid set.
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1371 [13:22:23] <ratrace> chris768443: you can't mdadm --run /dev/md0 ?
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1375 [13:26:06] <chris768443> ratrace mdadm --run /dev/md0 (or with --verbose) gives nothing
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1379 [13:26:56] <chris768443> and "dmesg |tail" shows no action (about the mdadm command)
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1391 [13:35:07] <ratrace> chris768443: weird. not sure what to suggest you there. RAID6 is supposed to survive any-two disc failure, and you apparently have only one resilvering.
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1401 [13:39:40] <ratrace> chris768443: from googling around, one recommendation is to try force (re)assemble the array. mdadm --assemble --force /dev/md0 <device0> <device1> ...
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1413 [13:53:51] <chris768443> ratrace do you know about "writes" on the devices, if i use "--assemble"
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1416 [13:54:57] <chris768443> the user of the raid has not really good backups of the data on /dev/md0...
1417 [13:55:05] <chris768443> *a
1418 [13:56:36] <ratrace> chris768443: maybe there are to the superblocks, I don't know
1419 [13:56:56] <ratrace> also... no backup for such a large array? that data is not worth anything to begin with, then.
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1428 [14:05:45] <chris768443> .. no the system seems to be worth it. The backup system is in "progress" or it is in the RACK but should be started next week.. The RAID is working since some monthes. Lokal backups via btrfs snapshots every day
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1432 [14:06:43] <ratrace> chris768443: wait, that's btrfs raid6 ?
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1435 [14:07:53] <chris768443> like i say.. yes it is :/
1436 [14:08:17] <ratrace> chris768443: so where does mdadm come into this picture?
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1444 [14:11:12] <chris768443> i think we can talk about this after fixing the problem, or not? :)
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1448 [14:13:54] <ratrace> chris768443: well, it's important to understand the layout of your storage layers. from your pastes it's clear that it's a mdadm raid, so I'm assuming btrfs is a single-device btrfs atop of that raid?
1449 [14:14:23] <chris768443> oh yes, it is
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1451 [14:15:23] <ratrace> chris768443: fine, so did you try to force assemble the array?
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1453 [14:18:01] <chris768443> is that a good idea? --detail says it is active but not started. I think this is a "unclean state" because of the restart while rebuilding on "/dev/sdg". "mdadm --detail" says to "sdg" -> spare rebuilding /dev/sdg1
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1455 [14:18:33] <chris768443> but i have no writes/reads on any of the disk (nmon)
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1457 [14:19:20] <chris768443> but /proc/mdstat says the md0 is inactive..
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1459 [14:20:07] <chris768443> my idea is "/dev/sdg" is wrong. Eventually i should remove the device from md0?
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1463 [14:21:29] <chris768443> Or should i "mdadm --stop /dev/md0" and reassemble it with "mdadm --assemble --run --force /dev/md0 /dev/sd[cefhijk]1
1464 [14:21:56] <chris768443> (sdd and sdg is missing in the --assemble command)
1465 [14:22:23] <ratrace> you can try that yes. rebooting while a disk is resilvering wouldn't matter.
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1470 [14:24:03] <chris768443> mdadm: stopped /dev/md0
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1475 [14:26:28] <chris768443> looks good, a "mdadm --assemble --run /dev/md0 /dev/sd[cefghijk]1" (without force) activates the same situation as before "--stop".
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1478 [14:26:47] <chris768443> but "mdadm --assemble --run --force /dev/md0 /dev/sd[cefghijk]1" gives me hope
1479 [14:26:54] <chris768443> mdadm: Marking array /dev/md0 as 'clean'
1480 [14:27:01] <chris768443> mdadm: /dev/md0 has been started with 7 drives (out of 8) and 1 rebuilding.
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1482 [14:27:10] <chris768443> mdadm --detail /dev/md0
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1484 [14:27:18] <chris768443> Rebuild Status : 1% complete
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1486 [14:27:26] <chris768443> cat /proc/mdstat
1487 [14:27:38] <chris768443> md0 : active raid6 sdc1[0] sdk1[8] sdi1[6] sdh1[5] sdj1[9] sdf1[3] sde1[2] sdg1[10]
1488 [14:27:45] <chris768443> recovery = 1.2% (100972124/7813893120) finish=734.2min speed=175070K/sec
1489 [14:27:58] <chris768443> and the recovery goes to 2% :)
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1496 [14:31:00] <chris768443> nmon shows good informations about the rebuild. dev/sd[cefghijk] are "reading" and sdg is "writing".
1497 [14:31:02] <chris768443> perfekt
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1499 [14:31:18] <chris768443> ratrace thanks to your help!
1500 [14:31:30] <ratrace> you're welcome.
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1547 [15:04:16] <afidegnum> using debian 9, what utility do i need to monitor my exim4 against spams, intrusions?
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1569 [15:13:44] <ratrace> afidegnum: there's no simple answer to that. I don't know exim, I work with Postfix, but I'm guessing you can employ SpamAssassin to detect and mark spam. It's most effective with bayes learning, so it's not something you can fire and forget.
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1571 [15:14:05] <ov3rmind> heya guys i can't open any browser konqueror, firefox or chrome... any can help when i try run using a shell this returns can't connect on display :1 it's sayed for any of then any help?
1572 [15:14:10] <ratrace> as for "intrusions", you'd have to define what that is and what your threat model is, and then employ mitigations and monitoring.
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1575 [15:14:38] <karlpinc> afidegnum: Start with greylisting.
1576 [15:14:41] <afidegnum> i had spamassin seetup
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1578 [15:14:51] <afidegnum> and fail2ban
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1581 [15:15:05] <ratrace> karlpinc: I wouldn't recommend greylisting these days, more trouble than it's worth. instead, postfix (for example) can work with postscreen
1582 [15:15:25] <karlpinc> ratrace: What sort of trouble?
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1585 [15:15:38] <afidegnum> i have been receiving lots of users trying to force-login on exim4
1586 [15:15:43] <ratrace> karlpinc: networks re-sending email from different IPs.
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1588 [15:15:48] <afidegnum> 2000failed login in an hour,
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1594 [15:16:26] <ratrace> afidegnum: you can try fail2ban those but from my experience, it's rather pointless because they're re-trying from large number of different IPs. it's a game of whack-a-mole. Instead, if you can, employ strong passwords.
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1596 [15:17:00] <theciaguy> Strong passwords and don't worry about auth attempts. If it's a box on the internet, welcome to the fun.
1597 [15:17:02] <afidegnum> is there a way to limit access to exim4 from specific ip ranges?
1598 [15:17:19] <ratrace> afidegnum: for what, submit or smtp?
1599 [15:17:26] <afidegnum> both
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1604 [15:17:46] <ratrace> afidegnum: i'm sure there is, but I'd wonder why you'd limit smtp
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1608 [15:18:21] <theciaguy> afidegnum: Why would you do that?
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1614 [15:21:39] <afidegnum> our clients are within our community not outside the country
1615 [15:21:44] <theciaguy> afidegnum: So?
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1617 [15:21:57] <afidegnum> so i want to limit the access to that community
1618 [15:22:00] <theciaguy> Why?
1619 [15:22:17] <greycat> he's recreating the walled gardens a la compuserve and AOL
1620 [15:22:27] <greycat> "you cannot talk to anyone outside the group"
1621 [15:22:31] <greycat> classic cult leader
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1623 [15:22:54] <theciaguy> afidegnum: You're missing the point of running an email server. Let people bang on it, who cares? As long as your passwords aren't crap and you have it set up properly, that's all you need.
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1625 [15:23:05] <theciaguy> It's not auth failures you need to be worried about. It's auth successes that should be watched.
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1628 [15:23:31] <ratrace> indeed
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1630 [15:23:37] <afidegnum> ok, thanks for the insight, greycat i m not a cult leader :D
1631 [15:23:42] <theciaguy> If the server is telling people to go get bent, congratulations. It's doing its job.
1632 [15:23:53] <ratrace> 100% of intrusions we've had so far on our postfix infra, is user accounts getting their passwords compromised.
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1634 [15:24:32] <greycat> it's not about authentications at all. it's the fact that he refuses to allow incoming email from outside of the group. nobody can receive email from debian.org or gmail or ...
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1636 [15:24:53] <ratrace> yes, if they limit smtp, which is stupid.
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1638 [15:25:08] <greycat> which is stupid, and which is precisely what he said he wanted to do
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1640 [15:25:28] <afidegnum> comprende... i got it, greycat nooo... i don't mean limiting the domains
1641 [15:25:34] <ratrace> allowing submission/auth from a specific set of IPs -- if acceptable by users -- is much better
1642 [15:25:39] <theciaguy> afidegnum: That's all you'll accomplish by whitelisting IPs.
1643 [15:26:02] <theciaguy> You will screw up mail flow, end of story.
1644 [15:26:14] <theciaguy> If you REALLY want a fun project, look into certificate authentication. :B
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1646 [15:26:23] <theciaguy> I would suggest NOT trying that on your "production" mailserver first.
1647 [15:26:42] <afidegnum> ok, thanks for the insight :)
1648 [15:26:58] <greycat> Is he recanting his prior assertion that he wants to restrict ALL incoming email?
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1650 [15:27:38] <afidegnum> greycat: i give up :D
1651 [15:27:49] <theciaguy> I think we beat him into submission. (see what I did there?)
1652 [15:27:53] <ratrace> lol
1653 [15:28:06] <ratrace> you 587'd them
1654 [15:28:12] <theciaguy> I'm stealing that.
1655 [15:28:20] <ratrace> cc share-alike
1656 [15:28:24] <afidegnum> lol
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1658 [15:29:29] <afidegnum> this name is escaping me, can you please help me remember?
1659 [15:29:53] <afidegnum> i m having memory lags... i don't knwo why
1660 [15:30:01] <ratrace> eh?
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1662 [15:30:47] <afidegnum> i need to reduce coffee
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1665 [15:31:30] <afidegnum> what's that tool again that help configure securty policies?
1666 [15:31:39] <theciaguy> vim?
1667 [15:31:49] <theciaguy> (or emacs, if that's your thing)
1668 [15:31:53] <ratrace> heh... what security policies? context...
1669 [15:32:07] <afidegnum> theciaguy: no, i use both
1670 [15:32:07] <theciaguy> lynis might be what you're after.
1671 [15:32:12] <theciaguy> vimacs?
1672 [15:32:12] <afidegnum> no
1673 [15:32:22] <afidegnum> i mean security, not ide.
1674 [15:32:23] <ratrace> selinux/apparmor?
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1676 [15:32:33] <afidegnum> ratrace: voilaaa! :)
1677 [15:32:34] <greycat> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade?
1678 [15:32:41] <afidegnum> greycat: :D :D :D
1679 [15:33:13] <ratrace> if you put security policy into context, you get selinux :) steal that! cc share-alike
1680 [15:33:13] <afidegnum> ratrace: that's what i am looking for, i had it set up... trying to inspect it once again
1681 [15:33:29] <afidegnum> i m using apparmor
1682 [15:33:45] <theciaguy> Be very careful with MAC frameworks.
1683 [15:33:45] <ratrace> me too. selinux is a bit too much work for my limited schedule right now
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1685 [15:34:00] <theciaguy> I'm more familiar with SELinux. Reminds me of my mainframe days.
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1688 [15:34:57] <afidegnum> Selinux, if there is enough time to play around
1689 [15:35:01] <ratrace> in general, yes, one should be careful with selinux in strict mode / confined root, as then root becomes just a regular user.
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1691 [15:35:28] <ratrace> apparmor has no such power, unless you toy with ssh policies on a remote server
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1695 [15:38:06] <elm_> I need gcc5 to compile elder kernel versions
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1697 [15:38:21] <elm_> however the only package which is still available is gcc-5-doc
1698 [15:38:26] <afidegnum> anyone used ossec-hids ?
1699 [15:38:29] <greycat> !snapshot
1700 [15:38:29] <dpkg> replaced-url
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1704 [15:39:49] <ratrace> oopsie, I just got a general protection fault in the kernel, for the bind9 process... entering defcon 3
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1710 [15:42:46] <elm_> dpkg: how to add such a snapshot.debian.org line for stretch?
1711 [15:42:47] <dpkg> wish i knew, elm_
1712 [15:43:21] <greycat> You don't. You download the .deb you want by hand, and you install it by hand, and it will fail because it's ancient and the directory layouts aren't even correct any more, so you extract it by hand and copy the files around by hand.
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1714 [15:44:01] <greycat> Or at least that's how it works with ancient shared libraries that you need for ancient proprietary vendor-software.
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1733 [15:57:01] <afidegnum> apt-get upgrade exim4 right ?
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1735 [15:57:30] <greycat> upgrade doesn't take a package name; it's just upgrade
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1737 [15:57:59] <afidegnum> that will upgrade the whole of debian,
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1739 [15:58:05] <greycat> ... yes.
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1742 [15:58:16] <greycat> why would you not want to do that?
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1745 [15:58:27] * afidegnum scared of breaking configs
1746 [15:59:02] <theciaguy> then config better
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1751 [16:04:15] <metrix> My ISP does not support ipv6, but my Debian hosting provider just gave me an IPV6 address. I need someone to make sure it actually loads over IPV6.
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1753 [16:04:22] <metrix> Any ideas on how to do that?
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1755 [16:04:59] <theciaguy> loads what?
1756 [16:05:14] <greycat> I'm guessing "a web page".
1757 [16:05:14] <karlpinc> afidegnum: It is very rare that a minor upgrade will break configs. There is also apt-listchanges available to put any changes in front of your face.
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1759 [16:05:43] <afidegnum> ah, that's good
1760 [16:05:53] <afidegnum> are you familiar with ossec-hids ?
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1763 [16:06:44] <afidegnum> apt-listchanges not found
1764 [16:06:46] <karlpinc> metrix: Get a cheap VM from some provider that supports ipv6, or your existing provider in another data center (or even the same data center), and use curl.
1765 [16:06:53] <greycat> ,v apt-listchanges
1766 [16:06:55] <judd> Package: apt-listchanges on amd64 -- jessie: 2.85.13+nmu1; stretch: 3.10; buster: 3.19; bullseye: 3.20; sid: 3.20
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1768 [16:07:14] <metrix> karlpinc that's a great idea! thank you
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1772 [16:07:35] <afidegnum> judd: is it installable ?
1773 [16:07:46] <greycat> *plonk*
1774 [16:08:00] <karlpinc> afidegnum: judd is a bot
1775 [16:08:10] <afidegnum> :D :D :D
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1778 [16:09:49] <errst> hey all
1779 [16:09:57] <karlpinc> metrix: For extra points put nginx on the cheap VM and reverse-proxy so you get a 4 to 6 gateway. (Nginx seems easiest. I suppose there's more generic gateway tools.)
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1789 [16:12:56] <afidegnum> how do i set/activate/install apt-listchanges ?
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1791 [16:13:10] <errst> How can I add upgrade support to a deb pkg? I've created two packages with the same content, E.g., myapp-1.0.0-alpha_1.0.0-alpha-1_all.deb
1792 [16:13:10] <errst> myapp-1.0.1-alpha_1.0.1-alpha-1_all.deb but when trying to install the version 1.0.1 after installing the version 1.0.0 I do get the following error, "trying to overwrite file, which is also in…”
1793 [16:13:17] <errst> How can I solve this issue?
1794 [16:13:28] <karlpinc> afidegnum: Like any other package: apt install apt-listchanges
1795 [16:14:01] <greycat> errst: make them conflict with each other? or did you really intend for them to be able to coexist?
1796 [16:15:11] <karlpinc> greycat: I don't know packaging. Do you really need to do that for a newer version of the same package?
1797 [16:15:18] <errst> greycat, When installing the version 1.0.1, I want to get rid of the version 1.0.0 completly
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1799 [16:15:50] <errst> greycat, How do I do that btw? Making them conflict with each other?
1800 [16:16:04] <karlpinc> errst: (It cannot hurt to read the packaging guide. This sounds like the answer should be there.)
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1803 [16:17:12] <errst> karlpinc, I did, but couldn't find the answer. That's why I'm here, and asking. If you can point to anywhere, I would like to read. BTW, I'm dealing with this issue almost a week
1804 [16:17:36] <shell43> 99.116.40.240
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1813 [16:21:28] <greycat> wooledg:~$ grep -m2 Conflict /var/lib/dpkg/status
1814 [16:21:28] <greycat> Conflicts: automake (<< 1:1.4-p5-1), automake1.10-doc, automake1.5 (<< 1.5-2), automake1.6 (<< 1.6.1-4)
1815 [16:21:31] <greycat> Conflicts: bash-completion (<< 20060301-0)
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1818 [16:21:41] <greycat> it really shouldn't take you a week to figure this out
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1822 [16:23:44] <sinhue> hi, how do I enable dnat in debian kernel?
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1827 [16:24:23] <errst> greycat, Is it possible to remove old version automatically when instaling the new one?
1828 [16:24:42] <greycat> have you *really* never done a dist-upgrade in your life?
1829 [16:24:45] <ratrace> sinhue: you'll need an iptables rule for that.
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1831 [16:25:15] <errst> greycat, No. What's that for?
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1834 [16:25:48] <greycat> people who don't use debian, trying to write debian packages :( :( :(
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1836 [16:26:00] <ratrace> instafail.
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1838 [16:26:17] <sinhue> ratrace, I know. I wrote the rule but I suspect it's not working and I read somewhere that DNAT should be allowed in kernel first.
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1840 [16:26:28] <ratrace> sinhue: afaik it is
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1843 [16:26:55] <errst> greycat, Thanks!
1844 [16:27:03] <sinhue> But I don't see my new rule in iptables -L, what gives?
1845 [16:27:32] <ratrace> sinhue: what rule, how did you apply it? use a pastebin pls
1846 [16:27:33] <sinhue> this is what i use: "iptables -t nat -I OUTPUT --src 0/0 --dst 192.168.0.103 -p tcp --dport 902 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 902"
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1848 [16:28:25] <ratrace> sinhue: no. replaced-url
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1850 [16:28:48] <greycat> errst: the simplest answer I can give you is: *why* are you trying to make two separate packages like this? Why not just make one package, and release newer versions of this package under the same name? Then everything will just work. The only reason you'd offer *multiple* name-versioned packages is if you expect both to coexist, or you expect some people will intentionally choose to stay on the old
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1852 [16:28:54] <greycat> one.
1853 [16:28:57] <karlpinc> greycat: Humm. Ok. Whatdayaknow.
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1857 [16:29:24] <flyingkiwi> @sinhue "iptables -t nat -L" btw
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1861 [16:30:09] <karlpinc> greycat: Oh. He's using different package names.
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1865 [16:30:46] <sinhue> flyingkiwi, man, thanks. :D I have like 7 same rules there now. How do I clean this?
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1868 [16:31:20] <flyingkiwi> sinhue, iptables -t nat -F (or delete every single one with -D)
1869 [16:31:27] <errst> greycat, I don't release these both packages together for any reason. e.g., to coexist. I do release newer version but when installing the newer version on the same place where the old version is installed i do get the error above i'm mentioned
1870 [16:31:41] <errst> greycat, maybe, i've explained it badly, sorry.
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1872 [16:31:52] <greycat> errst: you're doing it wrong. Use the SAME NAME for both versions of the package.
1873 [16:32:10] <ratrace> sinhue: btw, be careful when you -F a chain with policy DROP, might lock yourself out if you're doing that over ssh
1874 [16:32:31] <ratrace> (drop or reject)
1875 [16:32:39] <karlpinc> errst: You need to read how debian packages/versions are named.
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1877 [16:33:09] <errst> greycat, I do use same version. E.g., myapp-1.0.0-alpha_1.0.0-alpha-1_all.deb / myapp-1.0.1-alpha_1.0.1-alpha-1_all.deb
1878 [16:33:12] <sinhue> okay, so jus tto be sure: "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 127.0.0.1 --dport 902 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.0.103" what will this do?
1879 [16:33:29] <errst> greycat, Is it wrong? Can you give me an example?
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1881 [16:33:50] <greycat> errst: NO. You are doing it WRONG. Your package name is everything up to the first UNDERSCORE. Your package name is myapp-1.0.0-alpha and then you change it to myapp-1.0.1-alpha .
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1883 [16:34:00] <greycat> errst: Why can't you just name it myapp ?!?
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1886 [16:35:41] <ratrace> sinhue: it will alter packets arriving at 127.0.0.1 for port 902, so their destination becomes 192.168.0.103 (same port). since you do this in the PREROUTING chain, the altered packets are then routed there
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1888 [16:36:48] <errst> greycat, I don't generate that name manually. This is the command I'm using dh_make --indep --createorig --packagename myapp-1.0.0-alpha --yes and it gives me the myapp-1.0.0-alpha_1.0.0-alpha-1_all.deb
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1890 [16:37:01] <greycat> Do you even SEE what you are writing?
1891 [16:37:10] <greycat> you wrote --packagename myapp-1.0.0-alpha
1892 [16:37:11] <jelly> errst: --packagename myapp, nothing more
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1896 [16:38:18] <errst> greycat, jelly How do I define the version number?
1897 [16:38:31] <greycat> It comes from the changelog that you wrote.
1898 [16:38:39] <greycat> !nmg
1899 [16:38:39] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
1900 [16:38:42] <greycat> *plonk*
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1902 [16:39:13] <karlpinc> sinhue: (And think about using nftables instead of iptables. It's sane, and is the future.)
1903 [16:39:13] <errst> greycat, Okay, thanks.
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1910 [16:41:09] <sinhue> karlpinc, Thanks, but this is a real legacy server and I reeealy don't want to upgrade anything on it :D
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1912 [16:42:30] <ratrace> karlpinc: actually, nftables stand to be replaced by EBPF
1913 [16:42:35] <ilikeyou> Morning all. Is geoclue installed by default in Buster? I removed it recently, but wondering how it got here.
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1915 [16:42:47] <ratrace> I wouldn't migrate from iptables just yet, unless you really need some nftables functionality.
1916 [16:43:02] <greycat> N: Can't select versions from package 'geoclue' as it is purely virtual
1917 [16:43:40] <jelly> judd: whatprovides geoclue
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1919 [16:43:52] <judd> No packages provide 'geoclue' in buster/amd64.
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1921 [16:44:00] <jelly> ilikeyou: "no"
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1925 [16:44:41] <ov3rmind> :)
1926 [16:45:19] <jelly> ilikeyou: it used to exist in Debian 8. Perhaps you did not remove all the obsolete packages after a release upgrade
1927 [16:45:34] <jelly> ,bug rm geoclue
1928 [16:45:36] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1929 [16:45:50] <themill> libgeoclue-2-0 is still a thing
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1931 [16:46:58] <jelly> but that comes from a _completely_ different source package named, uh, geoclue-2.0
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1946 [16:52:22] <karlpinc> ratrace: I just hate the iptables syntax. In the past I've used ferm to add syntatic sugar.
1947 [16:53:16] <afidegnum> what HIDS would you suggest for debian?
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1981 [17:10:59] <talin> hello. i am trying to install debian 10, and i have fetched wifi drivers on a usb stick (.deb file). how do i make the installer able to use the driver on that stick? do i need to extract it, arrange it in a particular directory structure?
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1992 [17:18:58] <tsglove> What would the "ip" command equivalent for netstat -an be? If I do a search for "ip" it's a little bit hard to filter out all the non-relevant-to-ip-command results.
1993 [17:19:13] <greycat> ss is the equivalent of netstat
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1996 [17:19:23] <tsglove> ss ok ok on my way!
1997 [17:19:24] <greycat> I can't tell you which specific options, though
1998 [17:19:25] <tsglove> thanks
1999 [17:19:29] <tsglove> That's ok.
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2003 [17:21:22] <jelly> tsglove: replaced-url
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2006 [17:22:40] <jelly> for some reason ss is _much_ slower than netstat equivalent, and I often don't care ss is supposed to be more accurate
2007 [17:22:41] <tsglove> jelly, is iproute2 the full package name for "ip"?
2008 [17:22:57] <greycat> yes
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2010 [17:23:21] <tsglove> Wowza! Ok, so whenever I search in the future, "iproute2" is the way. I was using "ip" yet the results were too noisy.
2011 [17:23:32] <greycat> ip is a command name within that package
2012 [17:23:38] <graingert> does anyone know what DH_VIRTUALENV_BIN does? I found it in our build scripts but I can't see it read in replaced-url
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2016 [17:24:40] <ratrace> afidegnum: I use AIDE
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2027 [17:30:40] <afidegnum> ratrace: /
2028 [17:30:41] <afidegnum> ?
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2031 [17:31:14] <ratrace> afidegnum: "16:53 < afidegnum> what HIDS would you suggest for debian?"
2032 [17:31:24] <afidegnum> ok ok
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2036 [17:32:24] <afidegnum> ratrace: does it have a web gui ?
2037 [17:32:39] <afidegnum> so i can visualize and prints the stats ?
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2041 [17:34:17] <ratrace> afidegnum: no, AIDE is simplistic, only checksums the filesystem
2042 [17:34:34] <ratrace> afidegnum: there's Snort if you want a more involved IDS
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2048 [17:37:36] <afidegnum> ok
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2053 [17:40:26] <talin> hello. i am using the installer from replaced-url
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2058 [17:41:50] <talin> maybe i should try debian-testing...
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2071 [17:49:47] <dob1> talin, not that I have any idea but do you think it's simple if you don't give information about this wifi card ? model or whatever?
2072 [17:50:02] <dob1> maybe try lspci, search the model on google
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2075 [17:50:49] <LtL> talin: are you certain there is no hardware wifi switch on the machine?
2076 [17:50:50] <dob1> talin, maybe there is an updated kernel on backports and you can just use this instead of going with testing
2077 [17:51:25] <apurkrt> hello, so after some (long) time, I am trying debian in a virtualbox
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2079 [17:52:04] <apurkrt> and I find it odd the selection of timezone is bound with the selection of language and locale
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2084 [17:53:20] <apurkrt> "If the desired time zone is not listed, then please go back to the step "Choose language" and select country that uses the desired time zone"
2085 [17:53:28] <apurkrt> I find this limiting
2086 [17:53:46] <greycat> then make an arbitrary choice, and fine-tune it manually after the install is done
2087 [17:53:47] <apurkrt> surely I can change this after the installation, but why not out of the box?
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2146 [18:41:47] <brokencycle> Hi! I am looking to find a wifi dongle that would work well with Buster, no trequiring any additional software.
2147 [18:41:55] <brokencycle> Any recommendations, please?
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2149 [18:42:23] <somiaj> brokencycle: I would look for wifi dongle you want, the search on its support in linux.
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2151 [18:42:49] <somiaj> Most likely you will need additional non-free firmware for wifi, but this is easily isntalled in buster, so just something to be aware of.
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2156 [18:43:33] <brokencycle> somiaj: The problem is: I don't have a clue, but would sort of accept any dongle that would work well.
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2160 [18:43:59] <brokencycle> However, I already have a dongle where the maker claims it would be compatible with Linux, but unfortunately,
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2164 [18:44:23] <brokencycle> it requires to hand-compile the driver, and that fails due to a different kernel version (the driver
2165 [18:44:31] <brokencycle> supports up to 4.10, and Buster has 4.19).
2166 [18:44:33] <brokencycle> Now what...
2167 [18:44:58] <CrystalMath> ,versions xpra
2168 [18:44:59] <judd> Package: xpra on amd64 -- jessie: 0.14.10+dfsg-1; stretch: 0.17.6+dfsg-1; buster: 2.4.3+dfsg1-1; bullseye: 3.0+dfsg1-1; sid: 3.0+dfsg1-1
2169 [18:45:06] <brokencycle> So one way would be to find a different dongle that would not require such hassle.
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2173 [18:46:12] <somiaj> brokencycle: do you have a current dongle you are trying to get to work?
2174 [18:47:02] <somiaj> brokencycle: if you let me know what dongle you currentl have (or the chipset on it from lsusb), I can see what is needed to make it work.
2175 [18:47:31] <somiaj> brokencycle: If looking for a new one, go find one, and then ask here what people think support would be like before purchasing it.
2176 [18:47:43] <LtL> brokencycle: look here, replaced-url
2177 [18:47:47] <brokencycle> I don't have the experience to adjust the driver to 4.19... Yes, I sort of do. I mean, I am prepared to toss the stick and get a different one.
2178 [18:48:08] <brokencycle> I though it would be this driver: r8192u_usb, but it doesn't work for some reason,
2179 [18:48:12] <somiaj> brokencycle: how about you let us know what donegle you currently have, what chipset is on it via lsusb, and let me at least double check what is required to get it to work in buster.
2180 [18:48:19] <brokencycle> I can see the networks, but not connect.
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2182 [18:48:39] <somiaj> brokencycle: did you also install the firmware-realtek package?
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2188 [18:49:44] <brokencycle> The dongle is a TL-WN823N
2189 [18:49:46] <somiaj> brokencycle: please look at the output of lsusb, and share the line for your current dongle. Here is the list of supported ones for that driver (but knowing exactly what hardware you have is gonna help out a lot)
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2191 [18:50:16] <brokencycle> firmware-realtek - thanks for the hint!
2192 [18:50:41] <somiaj> brokencycle: I want the actual chipset on the device, which y ou can get from the output of lsusb
2193 [18:50:52] <somiaj> the manafacture names aren't that reliable to figure out support.
2194 [18:51:48] <c0rnelius> appears to be a github - replaced-url
2195 [18:51:49] <graingert> does anyone know what DH_VIRTUALENV_BIN does? I found it in our build scripts but I can't see it read in replaced-url
2196 [18:52:11] <graingert> is there some magic in debhelper to override commands?
2197 [18:52:11] <greycat> graingert: it sounds like a variable name.
2198 [18:52:20] <graingert> does it work for any DH_foo_BIN?
2199 [18:52:27] <graingert> for any doit?
2200 [18:52:42] <graingert> yes it's defined as a variable
2201 [18:52:52] <graingert> but I can't see where it's consumed
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2203 [18:52:59] <graingert> is it debhelper magic?
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2205 [18:53:04] <graingert> or dh-virtualenv?
2206 [18:53:20] <graingert> dh-virtualenv has DH_VIRTUALENV_ARGUMENTS
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2212 [18:55:31] <jak2000> how to restart crontab system?
2213 [18:56:08] <brokencycle> somiaj: It is TP-Link TL WN823 RTL8192EU
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2217 [18:58:01] <jelly> jak2000: the service to restart is called "cron". You do not need to restart anything if you just edited a user's crontab with the crontab command.
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2219 [18:59:10] <jelly> jak2000: cron reads changes to crontab files on every minute. Next minute, new jobs would be run if they are schedulued to do so
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2222 [18:59:47] <jelly> jak2000: so if you make a * * * * * job, you need to wait at most 2 minutes for it to run for the first time
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2224 [19:00:32] <greycat> at most 59.99 seconds, if cron polls on the minute
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2226 [19:01:20] <jak2000> interesting
2227 [19:01:21] <jak2000> thanks
2228 [19:01:38] <jelly> greycat: 119.99 but yes
2229 [19:01:46] <greycat> where do you get this number?
2230 [19:02:24] <jelly> empirical evidence
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2233 [19:03:02] <jelly> newly added jobs do not get run right away, only the next minute
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2236 [19:05:25] <jelly> only by actually restarting the service can you make a fresh job run on the next minute start
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2256 [19:15:51] <brokencycle> somiaj: This is the output from 'lsusb'
2257 [19:16:19] <MonRa> Hello, I have problems running an opengl game on debian 9 (kernel 5.2 amd64) on a thinkpad t420 with an intel i5-2520M, I would like to try and update the video drivers but I don't really remember what I installed, how do I investigate on that to update the drivers? I gladly accept external resources
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2259 [19:17:36] <jelly> MonRa: debian 10 will have newer mesa and drm than debian 9. Whether "newer" means "better" for a sandybridge GPU is anyone's guess
2260 [19:18:08] <jelly> perhaps try it on a debian 10 live image
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2263 [19:18:37] <MonRa> jelly: good idea thanks, i'll try
2264 [19:18:38] <jelly> if you're using wifi on that laptop you'll probably need
2265 [19:18:41] <jelly> !firmware live
2266 [19:18:41] <dpkg> Unofficial <live> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for Debian 9 "Stretch" as a live OS are available at replaced-url
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2268 [19:19:12] <jelly> ,v libgl1-mesa-dri
2269 [19:19:13] <judd> Package: libgl1-mesa-dri on amd64 -- jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; stretch: 13.0.6-1+b2; stretch-backports: 18.2.8-2~bpo9+1; buster: 18.3.6-2; bullseye: 19.1.6-1; sid: 19.2.0-1
2270 [19:19:32] <jelly> huh, so there _is_ a backport for at least some of the stack
2271 [19:19:45] <jelly> ,v libdrm2
2272 [19:19:46] <judd> Package: libdrm2 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.4.58-2; stretch: 2.4.74-1; stretch-backports: 2.4.95-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.4.97-1; bullseye: 2.4.99-1; sid: 2.4.99-1
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2274 [19:20:29] <jelly> MonRa: pairing a live cd with your 5.2 kernel might be an interesting task
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2278 [19:21:46] <MonRa> jelly: pairing?
2279 [19:22:35] <jelly> managing to boot your (custom? backported?) kernel and the live image
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2284 [19:24:50] <MonRa> jelly:wtf i just noticed my /etc/os-release says debian bullseye lmao
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2286 [19:25:01] <MonRa> i don t remember doing that ahahahah
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2289 [19:25:46] <MonRa> imma risk it and blindly upgrade hoping not to break anything
2290 [19:26:04] <jelly> you may have mixed repos in the past
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2294 [19:26:31] <jelly> going from debian 9 to (not-yet-11) directly will probably break things
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2297 [19:27:34] <MonRa> jelly: :^)
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2299 [19:28:27] <jelly> I'd attempt a release upgrade to buster first, then bullseye
2300 [19:29:07] <jelly> and after you're running bullseye, the right place to ask things would be
2301 [19:29:09] <jelly> !debian-next
2302 [19:29:10] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2351 [19:52:52] <brokencycle> Thanks everyone, it worked!
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2391 [20:12:09] <Peyam> hi
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2394 [20:12:25] <Peyam> I have wo identical shortcuts in my menu
2395 [20:12:32] <Peyam> how do I remove them
2396 [20:12:38] <Peyam> they are in xfce-games.dir
2397 [20:12:45] <Peyam> and I can not find that directory
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2400 [20:13:33] <greycat> have you tried "locate xfce-games" yet?
2401 [20:13:58] <greycat> might work, might not, but it only takes a second to type it and find out
2402 [20:14:04] <Peyam> -.-
2403 [20:14:06] <Peyam> ofcourse
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2405 [20:14:45] <playforfun> hi people
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2407 [20:15:49] <playforfun> i cant set my text mode to a higher resolution
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2412 [20:17:15] <elm_> I have a problem with my Pixart Imaging, Inc. Typhoon Easycam USB 330K (newer)/Typhoon Easycam USB 2.0
2413 [20:17:32] <elm_> cheese does not recognize the /dev/video2 as webcam
2414 [20:17:52] <elm_> and vlc only shows a green screen when I invoke it with this device
2415 [20:18:23] <playforfun> ive heard rumors of exploits in vlc
2416 [20:18:26] <elm_> It is not a kernel issue: works with Debian8 and kernel 4.9.0 but not with Debian9 and kernel 4.9.0-7
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2418 [20:18:51] <elm_> it is not only vlc; also I can not use that webcam with Firefox
2419 [20:19:07] <elm_> playforfun: is xine any better?
2420 [20:19:26] <elm_> what shall I do?
2421 [20:19:31] <playforfun> elm really dont know
2422 [20:19:38] <elm_> It seems to be a library problem
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2436 [20:23:07] <jelly> elm_: does guvcview work?
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2438 [20:23:52] <playforfun> I already tryed GRUB_GFXMODE GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD in grub but with no results!
2439 [20:24:40] <jelly> playforfun: are you using open source drivers for your gpu or closed source? which gpu?
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2443 [20:25:53] <jelly> if you're using nvidia closed source driver, then: no framebuffer console for you, the driver does not support it (yet)
2444 [20:26:12] <playforfun> i dont use non-free sources. so yes all is open source jelly
2445 [20:26:24] <jelly> playforfun: okay, which gpu is it?
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2448 [20:27:04] <jelly> playforfun: and which debian release btw?
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2455 [20:28:13] <jelly> that reminds me, I need to switch this monitor from VGA back to DP->HDMI->DVI-D
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2459 [20:28:43] <playforfun> jelly the gpu is g210 64bits 1Gram but there is a layer of virtualization here and is debian 10.1
2460 [20:28:49] <apathor> j #ansible
2461 [20:28:50] <elm_> jelly: great! guvcview works in deed!
2462 [20:28:51] <apathor> woops
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2466 [20:29:05] <elm_> now, how to proceed?
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2468 [20:30:25] <elm_> file a bug against what? vlc? cheese? or a library?
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2473 [20:31:54] <Tuxist> hi have problem with dak
2474 [20:32:01] <janik> Hi all. I have a Debian machine that needs to access the internet through another user (in this case, 'sudo -u <other-user> <command>'). For some reason, all traffic seems to be dropped and ping results in a sendmsg EPERM. The interesting part: *starting* nftables fixes the issue, even if I stop it again later. However, enabling the service doesn't work. Could anyone help me understand what's going on
2475 [20:32:04] <janik> here?
2476 [20:32:25] <Tuxist> replaced-url
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2478 [20:34:43] <playforfun> i changed /etc/default/grub applyed with update-grub2 but the boot is still 800x600
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2481 [20:35:10] <janik> Sorry, please ignore my question. I re-used an old UID that was blocked from accessing the network.
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2485 [20:37:47] <playforfun> VMSVGA is my graphic controller
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2492 [20:44:46] <playforfun> the gnome is able to resize just fine, the text mode pure is the problem, stick in 800x600
2493 [20:45:07] <greycat> have you installed whatever firmware your video chipset wants?
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2500 [20:47:35] <playforfun> again the controller is standard virtualbox, so dont need firmware updates, the version is the latest
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2508 [20:50:39] <playforfun> replaced-url
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2522 [20:59:13] <playforfun> perhaps noboby here experienced such situation
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2526 [21:04:13] <playforfun> apparently i ll have to live with the graphic ide to have a wider command line
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2528 [21:05:06] <greycat> X11 with no window manager, just a single gigantic xterm, might be enough for your bizarre purposes
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2530 [21:05:59] <playforfun> lol bizarre?
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2534 [21:07:31] <playforfun> your generation is already polluted with terminalphobia
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2537 [21:09:04] <greycat> and which generation do you believe that is?
2538 [21:09:15] <playforfun> tell me
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2541 [21:10:13] <jmcnaught> why not just connect to the VM by ssh?
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2544 [21:12:21] <playforfun> my bizzare intentions is enjoy a wider terminal for some resources that output much information in the screen, mc, top etc
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2546 [21:13:09] <DammitJim> ssh to VM... I think that's good practice instead of using that console thing
2547 [21:13:52] <greycat> but if he did that, he'd be able to treat the terminal like a terminal, actually copying and pasting from it... that would be too normal and easy
2548 [21:14:24] <greycat> no, he's gotta use a VM layer so he can get a window that's completely nontextual from the outside, rendered pixels of characters
2549 [21:14:42] <greycat> and then eschew the use of X11 within that pixel-rendered window
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2556 [21:16:23] <Rich_Morin> Where might I find the source data for pages such as `replaced-url
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2559 [21:16:39] <greycat> !popcon
2560 [21:16:39] <dpkg> somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at replaced-url
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2565 [21:21:26] <Rich_Morin> interesting; thanks!
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2580 [21:29:47] <brutser> root to
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2621 [21:58:17] <kingsley> Is my understanding correct that Debian's AMD64 architecture should run on an Intel Xeon E5 i620?
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2628 [22:01:04] <somiaj> !amd64
2629 [22:01:04] <dpkg> amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686-pae or -amd64 kernel. See also <why amd64> and <why not amd64>.
2630 [22:01:16] <somiaj> !why amd64
2631 [22:01:16] <dpkg> The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). replaced-url
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2634 [22:02:07] <somiaj> kingsley: almost all x86_64 machines use amd64 as their arch. There was a very limited set of intel machines that actually used a different arch (not just name). But due to historical reasons amd64 is the name that stuck to x86_64 arch
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2639 [22:02:46] <greycat> "historical reasons" being that AMD invented it
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2649 [22:07:52] <jelly> kingsley: any cpu with Xeon and E5 in its name will be amd64 compatible. "E5 i620" however does not exist, probably a typo
2650 [22:08:11] <jelly> there's an E5-1620
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2658 [22:11:47] <Simplar> What's the proper abbreviation for a shipping container's identification number?
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2661 [22:13:47] <djohngo> I don't remember how to install xpath. It's not explicitly in the buster repos.
2662 [22:14:01] <greycat> ,file bin/xpath
2663 [22:14:03] <djohngo> Is it a perl library?
2664 [22:14:07] <judd> Search for bin/xpath in buster/amd64: libxml-xpath-perl: usr/bin/xpath
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2666 [22:14:24] <greycat> it's in a package that's named like a perl library, but it's a file in /usr/ibn/
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2668 [22:14:27] <greycat> bin*
2669 [22:14:58] <djohngo> which says it doesn't exist.
2670 [22:15:21] <greycat> who says what doesn't exist, and what is the exact wording of this pronouncement?
2671 [22:15:34] <djohngo> hehe
2672 [22:15:55] <djohngo> "/usr/bin/which"
2673 [22:16:28] <djohngo> judd: Thanks! That did the trick!
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2678 [22:18:55] <jelly> judd: botsnack
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2681 [22:19:41] <jelly> bot does not know how to respond to thanks.
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2685 [22:21:16] <greycat> maybe it doesn't like snacks
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2718 [22:38:00] <twobitsprite> Intel had their own 64-bit arch called Itanium, but it wasn't x86-compatible
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2720 [22:38:24] <greycat> Yes. Dead in the marketplace (nobody wanted it).
2721 [22:38:39] <twobitsprite> HP did, or at least they thought they did :P
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2723 [22:39:05] <twobitsprite> I've worked on a few Itanium systems before, all HP servers
2724 [22:39:49] <twobitsprite> pretty sure Debian even supported it for a while
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2749 [23:03:12] <guest8383> hi, a question: why when i use su i get command not found in binaries execution and when i use su - the commands are recognized?
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2751 [23:03:20] <greycat> !buster su
2752 [23:03:20] <dpkg> To start an interactive session with <su>, you should use "su -l" or "su -"; this has always been the case, but is now enforced in Debian 10 'buster', where the PATH is no longer reset in non-interactive sessions. Alternatively, you can ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
2753 [23:03:33] <greycat> God I hate how that wording was changed...
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2755 [23:04:37] <greycat> dpkg, no, buster su is <reply>In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default. Quick workaround: use "su -l" or "su -". Longer-term fix: put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
2756 [23:04:38] <dpkg> okay, greycat
2757 [23:05:43] <trui> wow, i'm learning how to make packages, and debhelper really has all of the essentials :D
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2760 [23:08:34] <jelly> greycat: the confusion of "interactive" vs "login" shell (what su - actually tells shell to do) got on your nerve?
2761 [23:09:13] <greycat> The implication that "su -" is the "correct" way, and "always has been", is fucking wrong, and fucking INFURIATING, yes.
2762 [23:09:34] <greycat> Debian had it right for 25 years, and CAVED IN to the idiotic Red Hat way.
2763 [23:09:46] <jelly> it's always been on multiple OSes, and not just Linux, if you wanted sanity
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2766 [23:10:29] <jelly> mostly because it was somewhat consistent across OSes
2767 [23:10:35] <greycat> Behavior of su varies greatly across OSes. The BSDs historically, generally, did it the Red Hat way. The SysVs generally did it the Debian way.
2768 [23:11:11] <greycat> There are individual deviations on both camps.
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2777 [23:15:03] <jackal> hello, say the only thing in my ~/.profile is source ~/.bashrc. now, do I even need a .profile or .bashrc is sufficient; .bash_profile is not present
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2779 [23:15:12] <greycat> That's fine.
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2781 [23:15:58] <jackal> I mean, is .bashrc sourced automatically upon each login
2782 [23:16:06] <greycat> You want a .profile so that your .bashrc gets read when you ssh in, or login on the console, or run "xterm -ls".
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2787 [23:16:17] <greycat> .bashrc is not normally read by a login shell.
2788 [23:16:35] <jackal> aha
2789 [23:16:45] <jackal> that's what I wanted to hear, thanks!
2790 [23:17:09] <somiaj> One thing to note is .profile is used by multiple shells, if you want to source .bashrc, maybe use .bash_profile instead.
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2792 [23:17:52] <somiaj> doesn't make a difference for many users, just pointing that out.
2793 [23:18:01] <greycat> Debian's /etc/skel/.profile sources .bashrc but only if BASH_VERSION is set
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2795 [23:18:11] <jackal> yes, aware of that, but I'm using bash anyway ;)
2796 [23:18:19] <somiaj> ahh yea, that is another way around it
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2799 [23:19:26] <jackal> that's the other odd thing I noticed in various .profiles - either $BASH is set or $BASH_VERSION; does it matter which?
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2804 [23:20:18] <greycat> basically the presence of any variable beginning with BASH will indicate it's bash
2805 [23:20:31] <greycat> different authors have different preferences
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2807 [23:21:09] <jackal> heh yeah
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2810 [23:21:45] <jackal> another one is - if [ -f $HOME/.profile ] vs if [ -f ~/.profile ]
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2812 [23:22:11] <greycat> the former should have quotes
2813 [23:22:18] <greycat> [ -f "$HOME/.profile" ]
2814 [23:22:34] <jackal> yeah it does, my bad
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2817 [23:23:32] <jackal> but, in the end they mean the same thing
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2852 [23:45:38] <frikinz> Bumblebee is still the recommended way for laptops with optimus?
2853 [23:46:08] <somiaj> don't buy optimus...*hides*
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2855 [23:46:25] <somiaj> I think so, there is also another tool primus or something...let me double check on the name (I think it also uses bumblebee though)
2856 [23:46:34] <frikinz> Yeah I know. I also wanted to avoid buying an HP but you know... money..
2857 [23:46:55] <somiaj> replaced-url
2858 [23:47:10] <frikinz> I've heard people saying its not really maintained and should go either full Nv or integrated
2859 [23:47:12] <somiaj> on some machines you can just disable the intel card and only use the nvidia
2860 [23:47:27] <frikinz> and watch your battery drop probably
2861 [23:47:57] <somiaj> then disable nvidia and only use intel
2862 [23:48:16] <frikinz> Got a new laptop. Non working wifi was due to buggy bios. solved with aspm=force.
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2866 [23:48:50] <somiaj> seems there is some stuff you can do with nouveau and xorg on optimous, link was on the wiki page I linked
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2868 [23:49:05] <brutser> hi, i have a test setup where i encrypt the whole disk, then install debian and have grub2 payload decrypt the disk, then i try to boot - i need some help with how to setup grub.cfg , but i am testing right now from the grub rescue, so i "cryptomount (ahci0)", then i "set root=crypto0", then i try configure the linux kernel, "linux /vmlinuz root=/
2869 [23:49:05] <brutser> ro quiet" that is what i am attempting right now and "initrd /initrd.img" - after that i try to boot, but that's giving kernel panic - do i need to change initrd to get this working? what do i need to do next?
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2872 [23:49:30] <frikinz> nouveau and i915 will probably work indeed. have to try all 3 on performance and battery criteria
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2874 [23:50:09] <OS-41857> Hello All :)
2875 [23:50:18] <mutante> brutser: sounds like it might be much easier to just select full disk encryption in Debian installer and let it do the things?
2876 [23:50:21] <OS-41857> i have a problem with my gdm3 in kali linux
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2878 [23:50:41] <theciaguy> !kali
2879 [23:50:41] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
2880 [23:50:49] <OS-41857> after upgrade restart my pc and i just see the mouse :\
2881 [23:51:00] <OS-41857> Yea Kali Linux
2882 [23:51:08] <somiaj> !kali
2883 [23:51:08] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
2884 [23:51:14] <somiaj> oh I'm slow
2885 [23:51:19] <josspyker> hehe
2886 [23:51:23] <theciaguy> OS-41857: Yes. Read what dpkg said on the topic.
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2888 [23:52:08] <somiaj> OS-41857: kali linux is not meant for desktop use, even the developers of Kali say this. replaced-url
2889 [23:52:09] <mutante> OS-41857: you could install normal Debian and then the pentesting tools you actually use
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2892 [23:52:27] <OS-41857> #kali-linu
2893 [23:52:28] <josspyker> somiaj: try asking in #kali-linux
2894 [23:52:44] <josspyker> oops
2895 [23:53:52] <OS-41857> #kali-linux
2896 [23:54:18] <dvs> /join?
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2899 [23:54:45] <mutante> it's also a different network. so there will be more questions ...
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2901 [23:55:00] <OS-41857> no
2902 [23:55:02] <mutante> oh, nevermind. just adding to general confusion
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2904 [23:55:22] <theciaguy> #kali-linux on freenode. Enjoy.
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2912 [23:57:25] <dllbrt> Hey there! I just installed 32-bit 10.1.0 on an old system with an AMD Athlon XP processor and ran into opcode problems with a couple of programs. Does my processor fall outside the range of processors Debian is coded for?
2913 [23:57:47] <brutser> matante: yes there are always easier solutions obviously
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2915 [23:58:52] <poot> dllbrt: Hot take would be that "a couple of programs" doesn't necessarily mean it's a systemic problem with Debian. You might want to file a bug report for the affected packages if they're part of the standard distribution. If they're from other repos, that is another ball of wax.
2916 [23:59:02] <brutser> mutante: just my aim is to have grub2 decrypt the whole device without having kernel/initrd loaded yet
2917 [23:59:21] <brutser> and it can perfectly do that with luks1 type
2918 [23:59:29] <brutser> so that is what my question is about really...
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