1[00:00:14] <Maws> somiaj, yea, tried to do it as root as well....I'm on debian testing but still....
2[00:00:21] <somiaj> !buster su
3[00:00:21] <dpkg> To start an interactive session with <su>, you should use "su -l" or "su -"; this has always been the case, but is now enforced in Debian 10 'buster', where the PATH is no longer reset in non-interactive sessions. Alternatively, you can ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
11[00:02:46] <somiaj> there are reasons you don't want su - though, they are both needed for different reasons
12[00:02:57] <somiaj> but yea, this change is affecting lots of users
13[00:03:23] <annadane> i mean i just use su - for everything, i'm unaware of dangers or downsides to doing so
14[00:03:33] <annadane> i know the *difference* between the two
15[00:03:59] <Maws> hmm, looks like the depmod error is gone after doing su -, but then this error occure, any tips on that ? " snxterm.c:12:10: fatal error: ncurses.h: No such file or directory
16[00:03:59] <Maws> #include <ncurses.h>
17[00:03:59] <Maws> "
18[00:04:16] <somiaj> Maws: this is due to missing the -dev package for that libary
19[00:04:25] <Maws> (it's for installing drivers for a rs232 card....)
27[00:05:41] <Maws> Thnx, at least is seem that it installed properly :), cheers!
28[00:07:16] <annadane> "For backward compatibility, su defaults to not change the current directory and to only set the environment variables HOME and SHELL (plus USER and LOGNAME if the target user is not root). It is recommended to always use the --login option (instead of its shortcut -) to avoid side effects caused by mixing environments."
29[00:07:32] <annadane> well, shit.
30[00:09:10] <annadane> despite the fact - -l and --login are all listed as equivalent, under options
31[00:09:41] <Maws> Guess I need to do a restart to get this mod loaded.....:)
37[00:12:23] <annadane> i don't think i do anything wacky with my environments in any case, both should be fine
38[00:12:49] <somiaj> yea, most people make very little use of their enviorment outside of say PATH, HOME, and a few other small things
39[00:13:28] <somiaj> But very little software these days uses enviorment variables to get settings, or if it does, users don't use it.
40[00:13:29] <annadane> it's just tracking it that becomes an issue, if you do something in january and then forget about it and then in june you use the "wrong" invocation of root, and end up screwing something up irreparably...
41[00:13:30] <voldial> Anyone see my mistake? I cant get gpg to use a proxy. The docs and everything I find online seem to indicate that --keyserver-options "http-proxy=replaced-url
58[00:18:20] <annadane> i think the unprivileged user's environment is prone to change more frequently and is more immediately familiar to the user so you should just probably use su unless you require a utility in /sbin, and use root's environment for particular edge cases that you know you need
59[00:18:55] <annadane> just a cleaner separation that way
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70[00:22:17] <annadane> it seems counterintuitive, because why use the *user* environment as *root*... but i feel that's probably good general advice, but this is just conjecture
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75[00:27:02] <somiaj> annadane: maybe you need enviroment variables that you ahve setup as that user, but to run an operation as root. Again edge case which is why the manual you linked say most cases use -l
81[00:29:00] <annadane> it says use --login instead of - to avoid mixing environments but it's also a linguistic ambiguity because it's not clear whether the man page means "always assume root's environment in general" or "always use --login instead of -l" or both
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86[00:29:44] <annadane> i believe it means the former, always have a consistent root environment... but to use --login rather than - or -l
87[00:30:10] <annadane> which is still confusing, because it doesn't tell you *why*... and if you scroll down to options - -l and --login are all listed as having the same capabilities
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90[00:31:27] <annadane> also, this su man page is dated july 2014, before the Buster changes
97[00:33:23] <somiaj> annadane: as the factoid said, this has always been the case, buster is just now enforcing it
98[00:33:25] <xtc_> no probs
99[00:33:53] <somiaj> basically the command was allowing users to use it how it was not enteded and this 'bug' was fixed in buster
100[00:34:12] <somiaj> unsure if this was due to some patch in debian, or upstream.
101[00:35:29] <annadane> so much is shoved into /sbin anyway, it's practically worth it to just always use su -, edge cases be damned... i just guess the fear is that if you forget about something critical in your environment you'll end up doing something really bad
105[00:36:34] <somiaj> the only thing in sbin should be stuff that requires root. In my expreince ifconfig was the only thing that was in /sbin that I would want to run as anormal user, since ifconfig can give you info on intefraces as a normal user, but can't modify.
106[00:36:37] <annadane> i guess because *more* changes in the user environment - users set environment variables regularly - it's better to just assume the root environment as it's cleaner
107[00:36:47] <annadane> so anyway, sorry for rambling
126[00:38:34] <_ioannis> I used to feel the same with systemd
127[00:38:39] <_ioannis> but now I love it
128[00:39:02] <_ioannis> now to figure out that NetworkManager error :( I don't like having errors in logs :(
129[00:40:35] <annadane> anyway i think i have it backwards, i think one should use su - for generic system tasks and su for edge cases... but it still confuses me that the su man page directly tells you to use --login and not - when they're both listed as having the same behavior, but again that man page is also from 2014, years before whatever changes buster introduced
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131[00:41:02] <annadane> i think *someone* isn't on the right page
132[00:41:09] <annadane> probably worth a bug report
143[00:50:14] <annadane> we need a 'becomerootpls' and if you're trying to do something you're not allowed to the system tells you 'dothisinsteadyouidiot'
153[00:56:11] <LtL> i'm just surprised this whole 'su -' thing is such a big deal. like somiaj said, buster just enforces it as far as root goes. 'su username' is the 'other way to use 'su'
154[00:56:40] <alei1180> 8
155[00:57:13] <LtL> but 'su root' is a bad idea imo, never did it.
156[00:57:31] <annadane> just su by itself you mean
157[00:57:37] <LtL> yes
158[00:57:43] <annadane> mhm
159[00:58:04] <annadane> i guess i'm just confused why the man page says use --login instead of - or -l when it goes on to describe that they're the same things
160[00:58:06] <somiaj> I just think most didn't realize the differnce between su username and su - username
161[00:58:10] <LtL> you can become another user that way, and 'cd' to their directory.
162[00:58:34] <annadane> well, only if you know their password, but point taken
163[00:58:42] <LtL> yes annadane
164[00:58:47] <somiaj> since their limited use of su, and the fact it changed the PATH in the past didn't affect them.
165[00:59:00] <somiaj> you don't have to know their password if you are root
166[00:59:13] <somiaj> I use su - username all the time as root on systems I manage to beomce other users to check things out
167[00:59:19] <_ioannis> I happened to need that function today, su from root to my main user
168[00:59:25] <annadane> but yeah the root environment will intrinsically be cleaner so it makes sense to do system administration in there especially as buster has now introduced this change
169[01:00:07] <somiaj> annadane: I have no clue what (if any) the differences between using -l and - is, maybe it is a shell thing and it just clearn to use full conflig flags vs a single dash
170[01:00:18] <LtL> when uncertain about environment, type 'env'
172[01:00:40] <annadane> -i isn't an option, apparently
173[01:00:42] <annadane> i think in sudo it is
174[01:01:03] <LtL> yup with sudo, login versus interactive
175[01:01:44] <somiaj> I wonder how many users actually take avantage of the login vs interactive shells, my experince is very few.
176[01:01:49] <annadane> but read 'man su', it says basically "please use --login and not -" then proceeds to list - -l and --login as equivalent, doing exactly the same things
177[01:01:54] <annadane> it directly contradicts itself
191[01:05:18] <somiaj> annadane: my man page in stretch clearly explainst he differences, "When - is used, it must be specified before any username. For portability it is recommended to use it as last option, before any username. The other forms (-l and --login) do not have this restriction."
192[01:05:48] <annadane> right, in buster it doesn't say that
194[01:06:16] <_ioannis> is it related to Preserve the entire environment, i.e. it does not set HOME, SHELL, USER nor LOGNAME. This option is ignored if the option --login is specified.
195[01:06:30] <_ioannis> because it specifically says it's ignored if --login is specified
196[01:06:44] <_ioannis> just trying to understand what " to avoid side ef‐
197[01:06:46] <_ioannis> fects caused by mixing environments.
267[01:41:52] <_ioannis> Sorry for asking again but perhaps someone else is looking now, I'm seeing ((src/settings/nm-settings-connection.c:361)): assertion '<dropped>' failed
270[01:42:11] <_ioannis> Googling didn't help much, if anyone has any ideas I would appreciate it :)
271[01:42:49] <Eryn_1983_FL> what if my package cant use 11?
272[01:42:51] <somiaj> I'm unsure, what network card, could you be missing firmware? Is it wifi/wired, do you have this card mentioned in your interfaces file?
273[01:43:00] <Eryn_1983_FL> what if i only get support for 8 not 11 on my tool?
274[01:43:10] <somiaj> Eryn_1983_FL: then you are on your own, download 8 and put it in /opt, or just use stretch
275[01:43:16] <Eryn_1983_FL> hmmm
276[01:43:21] <_ioannis> somiaj: It has an onboard wired and wireless card but I'm specifically asked it to ignore the wifi
277[01:43:24] <somiaj> but I don't think even oracle supports java 8 anymore, your app needs to update
278[01:43:28] <_ioannis> I've*
279[01:43:37] <Eryn_1983_FL> indeed so does the rest of my company lol
280[01:43:50] <_ioannis> Wired works fine
281[01:44:12] <_ioannis> Wireless I don't really care/don't want it :D
282[01:44:13] <somiaj> java is even up to version 13 now
284[01:44:35] <somiaj> Eryn_1983_FL: well that is why people still run stretch and stretch will have lts support for another 2-3 years, so there is time
287[01:44:51] <BCMM> Eryn_1983_FL: then you should talk to whoever maintains that package, because java 8 is dying in general, not just in debian.
288[01:44:56] <somiaj> but if you want an older version of java in buster, you have to install/manage this yourself, and also be incharge of security issues (of which there are lots)
301[01:47:50] <somiaj> Eryn_1983_FL: yea, oracle is kinda a pain here, they do provide much better support for their closed java (which you often have to pay for), but the openjdk only gets support for recent versions
302[01:48:04] <Eryn_1983_FL> yeah
303[01:48:06] <somiaj> if your company is going to stick with java 8, you may want to have them pay for oracles version and install that
358[02:13:07] <somiaj> Thedarkb: you can't just install random .debs in buster, where did you get this .deb, what makes you think it is compadable with buster
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360[02:13:30] <Thedarkb> somiaj, I got it from the Jessie repo.
361[02:13:46] <somiaj> yea, you can't expect a jessie .deb to be installed in buster
362[02:14:01] <somiaj> you need to have whatever software requires this outdatded lib be updated to use the modern libpng
368[02:14:58] <Thedarkb> I'll just roll my own build and statically link libicu52 and libpng12
369[02:15:01] <somiaj> or if the software will actually work with a modern libpng, just put a link to force it.
370[02:15:07] <somiaj> Thedarkb: yea that works too
371[02:15:08] <Henry151> i don't know if i want to get into a can of worms messing around with upgrading this thing.
372[02:15:34] <somiaj> Henry151: debian 9 will have lts support for another half year or so
373[02:15:39] <Thedarkb> Wait, put a link and force it, somiaj ?
374[02:15:44] <Thedarkb> How do I do that?
375[02:15:53] <somiaj> Thedarkb: ln the libpng you have to libpng12.so.0
376[02:16:05] <somiaj> that way the file is in place, but it is actually pointing at the libpng on your system
377[02:16:06] <Thedarkb> Ahhh, thanks.
378[02:16:15] <somiaj> some software will just work, others won't
379[02:16:30] <LtL> Henry151: why do you repeat non-free so much?
380[02:16:31] <somiaj> depends on what calls the software makes and how backwards compadable libpng is
381[02:17:05] <somiaj> Henry151: oh wait, you said 9 (got confused with 8), debian stretch is supported until next summer, and lts will support a limited set of packages until 2022, so you have time before you upgrade.
382[02:17:08] <Henry151> LtL: probably had no idea what i was doing at the time and was just putting it every-which-where
388[02:18:43] <somiaj> Henry151: sometimes if things are a mess (due to learning), a backup reinstall is worthwhile to ensure you are following good practices
389[02:18:43] <Henry151> i've tried to do all sorts of crazy things on it while not knowing what i was doing, and yet, i achieved some things with it that i don't really know how to achieve again, so i don't want to break anything, it's all working
393[02:20:08] <Henry151> uptime is 759 days :) it is an OVH VPS. I'm actually realizing that it's where my irssi i'm using to talk to y'all right now is running
415[02:30:51] <somiaj> LtL: yea, I got confused, for some reason I thought 'doesn't support buster' was some of those old openvnz vpses running on a shared 2.32 kernel or something like that
416[02:31:03] <somiaj> as opposed to the company just dosen't support buster
417[02:31:30] <somiaj> arg 2.6.32 kernel, but there have been a few of those having trouble upgrading to buster because of that
418[02:31:39] <somiaj> since libc6 now requires 3.2 or newer
419[02:32:57] <LtL> somiaj: ovh may support buster by now, not sure. i installed stretch on mine which was jessie prior to that.
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439[02:47:55] <LtL> Henry151: you should really look to see if you have a newer kernel in / and reboot the thing, better to apt update && apt upgrade first.
496[03:38:29] <trui> when i looked up a firewall tutorial, it used iptables and i only learned that they switched it after, haha... but i still access it with /usr/sbin/iptables-legacy
505[03:39:49] <eblip> i looked on debian wiki and it tells how to change to legacy..if you want ..and hten tells how to build a file
506[03:40:01] <eblip> i built a file and saved it .and now i have my rules.
507[03:40:09] <eblip> but at the back end i believe it uses nftables
508[03:40:20] <eblip> in fact ..now i am totally confused
509[03:40:25] <eblip> buit they are working
510[03:40:29] <trui> fortunately now that i'm on debian, i can not worry about my system and use that stress-free time to actually learn things ;)
511[03:41:07] <trui> vs other distros where i 'learned' as things broke, and often forgot what i did exactly
512[03:41:32] <eblip> yes same here...i was using gentoo for a few years..but not its a business machine and my screen went...
513[03:41:53] <eblip> i plugged in another screen and half the stuff was off the screen..so i had to dig around for drivers..etc.
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515[03:42:18] <eblip> on top of that i had to do a serious update and i just cant afford that any more on a business machine ..although i do love gentoo
516[03:43:04] <trui> for me it was distro-hopping syndrome, but no longer
517[03:43:30] <eblip> yes ...im sticking with debian now..spent a few days getting my exact same gentoo set up and everything in place
518[03:43:36] <eblip> but will be much quicker next time
525[03:52:14] <trui> i actually used a live puppy linux usb for longer than i'd like to admit (harddrive failed and i kind of liked it), but debian is a dream in comparison
749[07:28:27] <oiaohm> Not a new kernel feature. Bluetooth devices alter their speed based on noise.
750[07:28:43] <oiaohm> and the controller chips get stuck.
751[07:28:57] <oiaohm> once they have turned a device to min they stay there.
752[07:29:20] <k-man> oh interesting
753[07:29:26] <k-man> so a reboot may improve things?
754[07:29:33] <oiaohm> k-man: that what you are pointing to is most likely not a kernel bug. Its like someone put in a new access point near by that is now interfering.
755[07:29:54] <oiaohm> Radio interference with bluetooth is a serous pain in the ass.
756[07:30:05] <oiaohm> Due to its auto band reduction in case of noise.
757[07:30:17] <k-man> oiaohm: i only just purchased this mouse and turned it on. this is my first experience with it
758[07:30:29] <oiaohm> Its not like RF mouse that will try to transmit stronger to attempt to overcome the noise.
759[07:30:40] <oiaohm> and then have shorter battery life.
763[07:32:07] <oiaohm> I tried using the mouse on another computer with bluetooth and it works fine, so the mouse shouldn't be the problem. << Like this line here is classic. You move to a different computer you have movied to another physical location with a different noise profile.
764[07:32:11] <k-man> thanks for the good news aib
765[07:32:17] <k-man> oiaohm i mean
766[07:32:52] <oiaohm> I am not saying absolutely that it not a kernel fault but rf noise is a major problem.
767[07:33:11] <oiaohm> I use a lot of wired.
768[07:33:15] <k-man> so this mouse also comes with a usb dongle
769[07:33:22] <k-man> i just tried that - works much better than bt
876[09:23:22] <somiaj> Guest76987: I would check the bug reports or maybe the themes, also look in what debian patches were added between -4 and -8, I see very little difference, so maybe some regression due to a bug fix
952[10:31:58] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys how secure is the upstream for snapd?
953[10:32:10] <Eryn_1983_FL> are the packages gpged like apt repos?
954[10:32:22] <Eryn_1983_FL> who maintains them?
955[10:32:38] <jeanpica> I use an extra repository for some packages, apparently one of those mirrors is corrupted, but my Debian 9 keep chosing that again and again so apt upgrade keep failing replaced-url
956[10:33:00] <jeanpica> is there a way to tell apt to avoid a certain mirror?
957[10:33:58] <Eryn_1983_FL> comment it out?
958[10:34:22] <Eryn_1983_FL> go into /etc/apt/sources.d/packagerepo.list and put a # in front of the replaced-url
964[10:40:05] <jeanpica> Eryn_1983_FL I need a package from that repository, the problem doesn'T seems to be the whole repository but only one of its mirrors
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999[11:15:42] <ws2k3> would it be possible to block arp requiest based on ip range? i have a use case where an application is sending out arp on all interfaces. and this is causing some routing issues
1006[11:19:11] <Eryn_1983_FL> it worked fine on the host same exact one liner
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1008[11:22:35] <th0r> Eryn_1983_FL, I don't see where you tell gpg what to do with the key....shouldn't there be a --import or some such in that command?
1026[11:27:47] <th0r> Eryn_1983_FL, the error says the repo isn't signed. That isn't an issue with gpg, it is a problem with the repo. I don't tinker like I used to, but I think you are just running into one of the 'new and improved' safety measures.
1167[12:53:05] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1168[12:53:07] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys am i doing systemd wrong? i got actual file in /etc/systemd/system instead of links..
1169[12:53:32] <Eryn_1983_FL> and systemd is saying they are masked and i cand unmask, these would be my samba mount services i made.
1186[13:05:19] <Eryn_1983_FL> it is not telling me much
1187[13:05:49] <zamuro> !flood
1188[13:05:49] <dpkg> It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, ask me about <paste>
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1331[14:25:48] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. How many times can my kitten step on the power button on my battery backup, which powers down my computer, before booting back to Debian becomes a mess?
1352[14:30:21] <_ioannis> so to understand better it steps on a UPS?
1353[14:30:22] <phogg> Lady_Aleena: but if you need cheap get some card stock and scissors. You can get much the same effect with a few cuts and folds, a little bit of tape
1354[14:30:23] <Lady_Aleena> I am hoping the cat gets too big to get back there sometime soonish.
1355[14:30:52] <Lady_Aleena> It has been about a month since it last happened.
1356[14:31:11] <_ioannis> I've seen a lot of types of UPS devices and I can't think of a way for a kitten to do it
1371[14:34:11] <Lady_Aleena> However, I grew up in a time where putting a key into a power socket was almost normal. Parents weren't so over protective back then.
1373[14:35:39] * Lady_Aleena stuck a bobby pin into a power socket once, never again. 8)
1374[14:35:42] <Unit193> I think we're straying off course. The answer to the question is "You should prevent the cat from getting back there"
1375[14:35:52] <_ioannis> ^ agreed.
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1378[14:36:27] <Lady_Aleena> Unfortunately, there isn't an easy solution for that in this case.
1379[14:37:07] <brokencycle> Hi! I am having massive trouble with gmtp. It takes ages to connect my phone (30 minutes?), and it crashes on the earliest opportunity. Any ideas?
1380[14:37:18] <brokencycle> I'm on Buster, btw.
1381[14:38:06] <_ioannis> Lady_Aleena: join a pet group and ask for ideas there I'm guessing ? I don't currently even own a pet :(
1382[14:38:06] <brokencycle> But the problem has been persistent ever since I tried to use gmtp, probably in Lenny even.
1383[14:38:52] <Lady_Aleena> _ioannis, you don't own pets, pets own you. 8)
1384[14:39:03] <brokencycle> If I switch to a different virtual screen, then switch back, gmtp sort of starts over, as if I first invoked it.
1391[14:43:01] <Unit193> Wow, there's a new version of gmtp but no viable changelog, news file, nor release announcement...Can't tell if the version in testing might have a fix..
1392[14:44:03] <Unit193> Oh! It's just that old, cool. No, seems to be just French translation updates.
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1414[15:01:34] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys im running lxd/lxc on my new debian buster and i cant get samba to mount properly, works on all my other hw systems and my old stretch lxc os
1441[15:13:24] <rocketmagnet> i have compiled python3.7 on my own and now have remove all files that are related to python3.7, how can i make dpkg or apt reinstall python3.7 ?
1454[15:19:15] <rocketmagnet> i compiled python on my own and delete all python files and now apt thinks it's still installed, how can i tell apt that it's not installed anymore so i can reinstall it ?
1631[17:25:51] <bernyrd> hey has anyone used switched PCIe to NVMe adapter? obviously there is multiplexing involved so lower bandwidth, but I am unsure if this cuts into drive speed
1635[17:26:37] <bernyrd> like you can get x16 to 4x NVMe drive, and it is one x4 per NVMe, but there are few company that sell x8 to 4x NVMe (as opposed to usual 2)
1636[17:26:44] <bernyrd> has active silicon
1637[17:27:16] <LtL> ychaouche: you must have grub-legacy, mine grub installs are shown here, replaced-url
1638[17:28:03] <LtL> ychaouche: if it boots i wouldn't worry about it
1662[17:35:19] <LtL> VG234: asking in #ubuntu would be wise
1663[17:35:39] <VG234> I'm on debian.
1664[17:35:42] <asmos01> Welcome. I have a problem. I migrated from Ubuntu to something lighter. I have Debian Stable. I read about backports. I would like newer versions of programs. Can you give me the name of the repository for this? Because on the Internet there are different names for these packages.
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1709[17:51:01] <VG234> OK. I remove the call for it. My update now at least passes. My upgrade at least has no errors: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
1710[17:51:29] <VG234> Is there anything I should check? Also, I use sudo with apt-get, should I be doing that?
1729[18:02:15] <VG234> trui: Basically, I'd like to have it work the same or better than my Cygwin under windows7. It's seems to be better in some ways. Currently, I'm working with Json and Yaml doing DevOps work. That is why I want the yq tool. This is what broke it: replaced-url
1741[18:05:54] <VG234> LtL: I have that, but it's not the same. It doesn't slice and dice yaml.
1742[18:06:12] <VG234> LtL: at least, I don't think it does.
1743[18:06:55] <trui> ah, i was wondering due to the above. but yeah, debian and ubuntu are different. i think ubuntu has been pushing snaps more lately iirc
1746[18:08:49] <VG234> trui: The things I need to do is to be able to train myself across DevOps tools and cloud environments. I plan to do this using python, terraform, aws, etc.. Each brings with it the need to learn and use different sub tools.
1757[18:12:09] <VG234> As a last question: I've basically shut off some packages such as yq and virtualbox in their source.lists. Should I follow that pattern instead of trying to remove them? Sometimes, I can't remove packages.
1762[18:13:33] <VG234> somiaj: Yes. That is why I asked about snap.
1763[18:13:39] <somiaj> virtualbox has an okay repo that is compadable with debian, so that would be fine, but ppa's shoudl be avoided.
1764[18:14:11] <somiaj> I personally don't use snap or flakpack or any of these tools, I really try to stick to software that is in debian, it does contain most things one will want, and compile stuff from source that isn't tehre.
1765[18:14:20] <VG234> somiaj: 👍
1766[18:15:14] <somiaj> linux distros aren't like windows were one can jsut download random software from random sites and expect it to be compadable and work.
1767[18:15:44] <somiaj> snap/flatpak are ways to try to improve this, but I haven't found a need for such things, but my software needs are simple compared to most (I don't even use a DE)
1769[18:16:46] <VG234> somiaj: That can be an lengthy path. From the unix book I have, Porting Unix software it states something like, someone comes into your office and ask you to port something to another OS, "Obviously, killing them is out of the question". This always make me laugh, but the amount of work is true.
1770[18:17:56] <somiaj> I wans't talking about porting here, I was just talking about downloading random binaries that run on the linux kernel
1778[18:19:49] <VG234> somiaj: If they work and the tools are supported on the system, yes.
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1780[18:20:40] <somiaj> often the biggest issue with ranodom binaries is linux uses the shared libary approach, vs static linked liabaries. That is what flatpack/snap does, but it makes binaries way larger
1782[18:21:05] <somiaj> so if you compile it against the libaries you have it often works (though depends on the actual software, really well written software works well)
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1794[18:24:25] <trui> i am curious if you can upgrade to debian 10 on windows 10, but i don't have windows and couldn't be bothered to install it anyways
1810[18:31:54] <somiaj> I personally like vms, but I guess WSL is for those who need to develope stuff on linux but don't need a full vm while using windows.
1826[18:35:57] <laptop> I wish there was a rolling release debian
1827[18:36:32] <trui> have you tried debian sid/unstable?
1828[18:37:17] <laptop> no has anyone tried it and did it work from stretch to buster
1829[18:37:23] <trui> it's certainly rolling enough. too rolling for lots
1830[18:37:39] <somiaj> !moving target
1831[18:37:39] <dpkg> Sure, testing might be shinier than stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Configuration file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer than working *on* your computer, you might not want that. See <testing security>.
1832[18:37:56] <somiaj> It really isn't a release, but it is constantly being upgraded, with all new bugs included.
1833[18:38:31] <somiaj> and many people use testing/sid, and if you use it, learn to use the BTS and report bugs, it is users of testing/unstable that help prepare debian for its release
1932[19:29:40] <dpkg> From 2006 to 2016, Mozilla Firefox was known as "Iceweasel" in Debian because Mozilla would not permit Debian to use the Firefox name. Firefox packages are now available for both jessie and sid; Firefox in Debian <stable> follows the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. For the latest versions, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>.
1937[19:33:41] <dpkg> From 2006 to 2016, Mozilla Firefox was known as "Iceweasel" in Debian because Mozilla would not permit Debian to use the Firefox name. Firefox packages are now available for both jessie and sid; Firefox in Debian <stable> follows the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. For the latest versions, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>.
1938[19:33:54] <GSock14> sdfds
1939[19:35:34] *** hwm4rgs7 is now known as hwm4rgs
1945[19:40:58] <dpkg> From 2006 to 2016, Mozilla Firefox was known as "Iceweasel" in Debian because Mozilla would not permit Debian to use the Firefox name. Firefox packages are now available for both jessie and sid; Firefox in Debian <stable> follows the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. For the latest versions, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>.
1984[20:08:03] <Gigglebyte> Is there a way to expand a separator so that it expands all the way across instead of just a segment of the bottom menu bar in xfce4? I recall in the past there was a way to adjust how much a separator could be expanded, and now I have to use three separators to move things over. It takes longer to load, and I am already on a laptop that is a bit short in horsepower.
1985[20:08:25] <Gigglebyte> I am on Debian Stable Stretch.
1994[20:13:00] <primvibes> I apologize for taking advantage of the excellent debian community to solve an issue on kali-rolling, but my situation is desperate. I'm in a remote location, my phone broke yesterday and today something went wrong during dist-upgrade, which rendered the system unusable. The only tools I have is on recovery mode: logs, lynx for internet, irssi and tmux. Telinit can only bring the system up to runlevel
1995[20:13:06] <primvibes> 3. I'm only an intermediate user and cannot see anything wrong in the logs, not that I understand much about video drivers. Regular boot gives a black screen with a mouse cursor and Alt+Fn2-12 doesn't work. I've tried reconfiguring all packages and reinstalling the linux headers and images, with no success. Please help
2019[20:23:47] <jhutchins> primvibes: We'd really rather you didn't. You'll probably have to repeat whatever steps you did for the initial installation, but for assistance and support you're going to have to rely on the slower response and smaller community of kali supporters.
2020[20:23:59] <jhutchins> primvibes: You will probably want to try their mailing list.
2119[21:09:11] <Gigglebyte> how do I adjust the sleep settings in debian 9 stretch? My laptop logs off quite quickly due to inactivity. I am looked online, but only find info on debian 7, 8, and 10.
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2192[21:40:06] <CarlFK> I'm adding docs to gst's build instructions. is this an OK way to add to PATH? printf '\nexport PATH=${PATH}:~/.local/bin\n' >> ~/.bashrc
2204[21:43:46] <rwp> It's a problem. Because there are so many hackers on Windows and Mac OS and they do not have good package managers. So upstream communities often disparage downstream packages.
2207[21:45:00] <rwp> On the good side pip --user should only touch $HOME and nothing else. So the system is safe from it. On the bad side people forget they have done that and then later we are debugging why their system has some old package being used instead of the one installed.
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2244[22:02:51] <primvibes> madage: you're a lifesaver, the workaround was a success. In future I'll need to pay closer attantion to debian testing bugs, since that's what kali is based on.
2270[22:16:08] <Encrypt> I'm currently struggling to make NFS (v4) work between a Raspberry Pi and my Debian 9 computer, with differet UID/GIDs (therefore, with idmapd)
2297[22:26:38] <blastwave> The usual odd problem wherein after a reboot there is audio for some applications and none for Firefox. The tool 'Pulse Audio Volume Control' seems to not help here at all and the alsamixer also does not help. Does pulseaudio need a reset or what could be the issue ??
2302[22:28:31] <blastwave> oh also .. screensave locks up the whole XFCE desktop so badly I needed to hook up a reset button to the motherboard front panel .. that can't be right
2321[22:35:43] <rwp> blastwave, I sometimes have to tell Firefox video to un-mute. I think it saves muted as a default sometimes.
2322[22:36:39] <blastwave> hrmmm .. let me check
2323[22:36:43] <rwp> That screensaver problem sounds nasty. I would be disabling the screensaver as quickly as I could! (I don't use them by default. I just blank the screen here.)
2333[22:39:02] <rwp> Curious... What graphics card are you using?
2334[22:39:35] <blastwave> NVidia Quadro K4200 and nvidia-smi shows the driver has not changed since last apt-get update or reboot .. seems to be working greak
2335[22:39:38] <blastwave> gret
2336[22:39:44] <blastwave> great <-- spelling is an issue for me
2339[22:40:06] <blastwave> damn .. I have no idea how to 'unmute' firefox which should not be muted
2340[22:40:36] <rwp> If the kernel upgrades and there isn't a reboot then I have had random problems with modules that are then mismatched between the running older kernel and the newer on disk files.
2342[22:40:54] <blastwave> am trying to test with my own stream from twitch replaced-url
2343[22:41:22] <blastwave> hrmm kernel mismatch on the kernel modules for nvidia ? sounds unlikely
2344[22:41:24] <rwp> Un-mute example: Play a youtube video. Mouse around the video window. The audio is muted. Un-mute. That's what I find I sometimes need to do. Even when *I* haven't muted it.
2345[22:41:35] <blastwave> I am using the debian packages here and not the drivers from NVidia
2355[22:43:02] <rwp> Good on using the Debian packages. But that may still be out of sync version wise after a package upgrade and before a reboot to the new kernel.
2356[22:43:08] <blastwave> there were a lot of people watching live as I destroyed a hard disk while a machine was runnng ... saturday evening fun
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2395[22:50:28] <blastwave> okay .. get this ... I start up VLC and get Star Trek running ... playing and it sounds fine .. the pulse audio control shows VLC as a valid application
2397[22:50:55] <rwp> if you suspect that it might be a file in $HOME somewhere... then you can always create a new test user and log in as that pristine new test user and see if the pristine files work. If so then you know it is is some config file in your $HOME causing the problem.
2404[22:52:55] <blastwave> SerajewelKS: you are looking to transfer a filesystem from one disk to another and only grab the data ?? See Jorg Schillings 'star'
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2407[22:53:14] <rwp> SerajewelKS, Opens up the box of Pandora and mentions that ZFS will sync and being a file system it knows exactly which blocks need to be transferred. Really very cool.
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2409[22:53:34] <blastwave> well ZFS is awesome of course
2410[22:53:42] <rwp> Or do you mean sparse files?
2411[22:53:46] <blastwave> however he is on ext4fs from the distant dark path
2412[22:54:15] <rwp> I did say I was reaching into "the box". And down that path we all go one day... :-)
2418[22:55:26] <SerajewelKS> the context is migrating an existing volume into luks. as a security consideration, the device luks is used on should be random-filled before adding a filesystem. obviously this only affects the unused space of a filesystem that has been used. so the logical way to do it would be: random-fill the underlying device, create the luks container, copy only the used blocks into the container.
2422[22:55:55] <SerajewelKS> however, i just realized that i'm using pvmove so that doesn't matter; lvm doesn't have a mechanism to do that anyway.
2423[22:55:57] <blastwave> I have no idea what " luks " is
2424[22:56:05] <SerajewelKS> !luks
2425[22:56:05] <dpkg> Linux Unified Key Setup (LUKS) is a disk encryption specification with a platform-independent format. replaced-url
2426[22:56:23] <blastwave> Linux Unified Key Setup ?? cool
2427[22:56:27] <rwp> Nice blastwave. Two side by side monitors. But only 1080 vertical pixels is too short for me. I would rotate both 90 degrees! :-)
2428[22:56:36] <blastwave> " platform-independent format " even better
2429[22:56:43] <SerajewelKS> blastwave: if pulse does not notice firefox then the logical conclusion is that firefox is not talking to pulse
2430[22:56:54] <blastwave> rwp: well a rotation on one of the is not easy
2431[22:57:03] <blastwave> it is a PQLabs massive touch screen
2432[22:57:11] <blastwave> the other is a normal 24inch monitor
2433[22:57:25] <blastwave> SerajewelKS: k .. and what next ?
2434[22:57:49] <SerajewelKS> blastwave: hmm, you'd have to figure out what firefox is using. my guess would be alsa, and that alsa is not configured to use pulse.
2435[22:58:17] <rwp> My solution is usually to purge all pulse audio from the system. And then everything Just Works.
2438[22:58:27] <SerajewelKS> you could test this theory by using something else that only talks to alsa (or can be configured to)
2439[22:58:48] <SerajewelKS> e.g. if you run a command-line ALSA client with no device switches, does it show up in pavucontrol?
2440[22:58:57] <SerajewelKS> aplay for example
2441[22:59:20] <rwp> SerajewelKS, If you are doing pvmove then I think internally it will copy the entire size of the source partition no way to avoid it. Pretty sure.
2442[22:59:21] <SerajewelKS> if it does not then the likely explanation is that firefox is using alsa and alsa is not using pulse
2443[22:59:33] <blastwave> wow ... I killed FF and then restarted it .. *now* even youtube video doesn't work
2444[22:59:37] <SerajewelKS> rwp: right that's what i meant by "lvm doesn't have a mechanism to do that anyway"
2445[22:59:44] <blastwave> time to go back to normal release firefox to test
2451[23:00:32] <rwp> SerajewelKS, I do like LVM and pvmove. It makes upgrading disk sizes to larger disks very simple. All on the fly while the system is running too. FTW! :-)
2452[23:01:02] <SerajewelKS> rwp: so this would mean: failing a disk from the raid1, creating a new (degraded) raid1 on that disk, creating a luks container on the new raid1 with a detached luks header in /boot (so that the header doesn't eat space, otherwise i have to shrink the volume which can't be done online)
2454[23:01:32] <SerajewelKS> rwp: add the container as a PV to the VG, pvmove everything off of the old PV, tear down the old raid1, put the disk from that mirror into the new mirror
2455[23:01:52] <SerajewelKS> obviously there is no redundancy for the duration
2456[23:02:11] <rwp> Question: Can you add an additional disk? (Avoids the need to degrade the raid and then no need for the detached header.)
2457[23:02:39] <SerajewelKS> the additional disk would prevent degredation but would not alleviate the need for detached header unless you are suggesting reshape to raid5
2459[23:03:18] <rwp> I work with lvm quite a bit but only work with luks and encrypted volumes using the debian-installer to create them on installation.
2460[23:03:24] <blastwave> also going to blow away the FireFox profile on disk
2461[23:03:32] <rwp> save your bookmarks
2462[23:03:51] <SerajewelKS> if keeping it as raid1 then the final device size is still the same
2463[23:03:57] <SerajewelKS> you'd need some extra KBs for the header
2464[23:04:22] <rwp> I will take your word for it. I haven't worked with that part of things.
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2466[23:04:36] <rwp> Your overall plan sounds good to me. Seems well thought out and should work.
2468[23:04:54] <SerajewelKS> well the concept is simple: luks needs to store metadata somewhere. it usually stores it in the underlying device, which obviously means the mapped container is a bit smaller than the existing device.
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2470[23:05:09] <SerajewelKS> so adding luks reduces the size of the device by the amount needed to store the header
2472[23:05:52] <rwp> Right. So I would make the new partition slightly smaller in order to free up space. Then pvmove onto it. But I almost never allocate 100% of a VG.
2475[23:06:07] <SerajewelKS> right that's the problem is that this PV is 100% allocated
2476[23:06:13] <blastwave> wow .. stable FireFox "Quantum" normal download does not work at all .. no youtube video and no audio
2477[23:06:14] <SerajewelKS> the other PV isn't redundant
2478[23:06:17] <blastwave> nice
2479[23:06:18] <rwp> And if I did then I would *temporarily* add an additional disk to make up the extra. Then compact back down to the right size as an additional step.
2480[23:06:34] <SerajewelKS> "compact back down" requires downtime to resize the ext4 volume
2486[23:07:08] <SerajewelKS> i'll just steal some swap space for the luks header
2487[23:07:15] <rwp> I cannot recommend ever downsizing an ext* volume. I once tried that and it took more than 10 days (12 days?) to run to completion.
2488[23:07:33] <SerajewelKS> yep that's why i wanted to avoid it by using detached header but i'll just shrink swap instead
2489[23:07:48] <rwp> I let it run and it did eventually finish. I imagine some exponential algorthm that could be optimized inside there somewhere.
2490[23:07:50] * blastwave thinks .. use ZFS
2491[23:08:17] <SerajewelKS> i'd love to temporarily have a third disk for redundancy but i don't have a 6TB sitting around. nor any combination of disks i could combine into 6TB
2492[23:08:18] <rwp> Now I copy everything off to a new file system file by file.
2493[23:08:36] <SerajewelKS> blastwave: i'll add a tick in the box that counts the number of times that's been suggested to me, thanks
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2507[23:10:14] <SerajewelKS> but generally yeah not gonna convert an entire system to a new filesystem just because it might make things easier. that's exactly the kind of project that isn't easy to begin with.
2509[23:10:34] <rwp> I am in a position now with a system with only 2 SATA ports total and 2x 1T drives. I think for that system upgrade I am going to shutdown, pull both disks, install in a 4-port SATA system, add two new disks, partition, mdadm raid, pvcreate, pvmove, everything else is online, move data to the new disks. Then shutdown and shuffle the disks back into the original 2-SATA system again.
2510[23:11:07] <SerajewelKS> rwp: if the SATA controller is hotswap you can do it online if you don't mind degredation. assuming you have a mirror right now.
2511[23:11:21] <SerajewelKS> this is how i grew this system from 3TB to 6TB
2512[23:11:29] <rwp> Love the hot swap SATA capability.
2513[23:11:32] <SerajewelKS> yep
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2515[23:12:22] <SerajewelKS> fail drive 3TB A, swap in drive 6TB C. add C to mirror, wait for resync. fail drive 3TB B, swap in drive 6TB D. add D to mirror, wait for resync. tell mdadm to resize the array. resize2fs.
2516[23:12:23] <rwp> But moving from 2x 1T disks to 2x larger disks (TBD) and would prefer not to need to break the raid while doing it. And I have a 4-port SATA system available for the use. So might as well make my life easier and use it.
2517[23:12:36] <SerajewelKS> with the extra step of growing the LV anyway
2518[23:13:01] <SerajewelKS> if you have a 1TB USB drive you could use that temporarily too. flag it write-mostly.
2519[23:13:25] <rwp> SerajewelKS, Sounds like a plan. It's a Towers of Hanoi process but works within the system you have. Good deal.
2520[23:13:28] <blastwave> rwp: fyi --> Alsa support was dropped starting Firefox 52.0 and later. replaced-url
2521[23:13:34] <SerajewelKS> assuming its actual capacity is really >= the rest of the drives
2522[23:13:55] <somiaj> I belive debian's packages still contain alsa support, it was just mozilla's package that droped that build config
2523[23:14:04] <rwp> Yes. I could add a USB disk. However I have not had the best of luck with USB drives for some reason. Probably my proclivity of buying cheap crappy USB adapters. So probably self-inflicted. But that makes me shy away from them.
2524[23:14:08] <blastwave> ahhh .. good to know
2525[23:14:08] <somiaj> AT least it was that way for a while, unsure if it has changed.
2526[23:14:09] <rwp> External eSATA is perfect though.
2529[23:14:31] <SerajewelKS> rwp: i have a couple of odroid-hc2's that i can use in cases like this, when a system has no extra drive bays but i need to add a drive either temporarily or permanently. throw a drive in the hc2 and export it over iscsi.
2531[23:15:10] <SerajewelKS> rwp: FWIW my backup volume is a set of mirrored 2TB USB drives. haven't had any issues. raid has been intact since i set it up months ago.
2532[23:15:26] * blastwave sees that Debian release FireFox ESR and that will work fine !
2533[23:15:28] <Maws> hi!, is there any way to get this mod loaded: "snx: loading out-of-tree module taints kernel.
2536[23:15:30] <rwp> SerajewelKS, That sounds cool! I should look into something like that.
2537[23:15:58] <SerajewelKS> rwp: iscsi is supported by linux (open-iscsi in debian) and, i didn't realize until recently, windows 10 has a built-in iscsi client as well. i figured that would be a server feature.
2539[23:16:20] <rwp> I had a dual disk USB adapter that I used for a while. But it would drop offline every so often. In a 3 month window many twice. Never stayed online more than 4 months.
2540[23:16:55] <SerajewelKS> rwp: it makes all kinds of options available. i really hate windows' idea of mirrored disks. so i can do the mirroring on a debian system and export the raid device over iscsi. windows doesn't know or care about the raid.
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2543[23:17:05] <rwp> On the other hand I have had really good luck with USB network adapters. I expected them to be trouble. But actually they have been very reliable when I have used them.
2545[23:18:11] <rwp> blastwave, somiaj, I am using Debian's Firefox 60 esr with alsa okay and everything works. But good to know if it was dropped upstream.
2553[23:19:58] <SerajewelKS> rwp: in my case i'm using it to add storage for a machine i use as a hypervisor for qemu-kvm VMs. it's particularly nice because qemu supports iscsi as backing for a virtual disk.
2555[23:20:28] <SerajewelKS> rwp: so i don't even have to configure iscsi on the host machine. i just add a line to the VM launch script to configure the iscsi disk. the VM doesn't know or care that it's remote.
2562[23:22:18] <rwp> SerajewelKS, Thanks for sharing it now. There many things like that. Gems of tools that are really useful but not something learned all at once.
2563[23:22:55] <rwp> Talking about ssh tunnels and gems of tools... Have you used 'sshuttle'? It's one of those I picked up for creating quick and simple vpn tunnels.
2564[23:23:09] <trui> blastwave: are we playing with sid in #debian? *teases*
2589[23:27:35] <rwp> SerajewelKS, Now I show up at a corporate site with a restricted firewall and http proxy but has ssh available. I launch "sshuttle -v -x 10.0.0.0/8 -r myservername 0/0" and then have full private web access without triggering their corporate http proxy restrictions.
2590[23:28:08] <SerajewelKS> rwp: nice, i did something similar but much more involved
2591[23:28:09] <rwp> Where 10/8 represents the local subnet. That is excluded. I can still access local subnet IPs. But all others get tunneled.
2593[23:28:49] <rwp> Needs local sudo root to set up the local iptables. Does not need root on the remote system. Works very well.
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2595[23:29:06] <SerajewelKS> rwp: it involved running a linux VM on windows, bridging the physical network to the VM but leaving the bridge interface on the host unconfigured, adding a host-only network interface to the guest, and having the guest route it
2597[23:29:22] <SerajewelKS> rwp: the guest could be used to selectively route traffic out the real network or a VPN
2598[23:29:30] <blastwave> oh bloody hell .... the released and packaged Debian FireFox ESR ... *just works* .. well gee
2599[23:29:48] <rwp> An advantage over -D is that I assume with -D you configure things to use the proxy? With sshuttle nothing needs to be configured because it uses iptables and therefore everything Just Works.
2601[23:30:21] <rwp> Isn't that the way things should be blastwave? Just Working? :-)
2602[23:30:24] <SerajewelKS> rwp: right. i use -D sometimes though because in some cases i want only some programs to be proxied. you could do the same thing in iptables with -m owner or something
2603[23:30:56] <SerajewelKS> ssh -w gives you a tun interfaces. which again is, i assume, how sshuttle works.
2604[23:31:05] <rwp> In any case I was mostly just trying to repay the favor of pointing me to open-iscsi with another gem of a tool that I use a lot but no one knows about. :-)
2605[23:31:06] <SerajewelKS> it's probably ssh -w but sets up the iptables rules for you.
2606[23:31:15] <SerajewelKS> yeah i might have the occasion to use that
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2608[23:31:28] <SerajewelKS> it's always good to learn about new things
2609[23:31:44] <SerajewelKS> lately for me that's been docker/podman
2610[23:32:09] <rwp> A good hacker is always learning. [[ Pilots have a saying, "A good pilot is always learning." :-) ]]
2624[23:37:22] <SerajewelKS> rwp: speaking of new stuff i've found, i also do some audio engineering work mostly for fun. imagine my surprise when i found ardour and jack. i'd known about jack for years but not had a use for it.
2633[23:39:20] <SerajewelKS> i've used a multiband compressor on a conference call to compress the snot out of the high bands because one of the ladies on the call had a really piercing S that was actually physically hurting my ears if i had it loud enough to where i could understand everyone else
2634[23:39:46] <SerajewelKS> and i sat through it for five minutes before realizing that i had the solution staring at me on my other monitor
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2645[23:44:21] <jhutchins> Heh. I tried putting my guitar through jack and some multi-effects thing and it was like a tape delay. Amusing but not useful.
2646[23:44:37] <jhutchins> It's an old Core2 duo with a soundblaster.
2647[23:44:56] <SerajewelKS> hmm. depending on how many effects, that could have worked.
2648[23:45:03] <SerajewelKS> maybe the period size was too large?
2649[23:45:17] <SerajewelKS> i've managed to get an rpi processing several channels with comp+eq
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